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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119154]I am a 64 year old Caucasian. Last week I took a very cute young lady from the supposedly more Asian side line-up in Thermae (on the left as you walk in through the Sukhumvit steps door). Being very curious about what would happen if I just went with the flow this time as many guys do, I did not engage at all in my usual screening questions regarding "For what?" details and, interestingly, neither of us mentioned a word about "How much?" either. She just smiled broadly and invitingly as I was standing with a friend at the bar and so I decided to approach her and proceed with my little experiment of just going with the flow on it. She spoke English fairly well, so language was not an issue.

Therefore, I am curious now what you or anyone else would recommend be paid to a Thermae FL if the session turned out to be very good (for example, if she complied with pretty much what you tried to engage in or asked of her in the room) and, by contrast, if it turned out to be disappointing (for example, it was not a complete Jekyll and Hyde transformation, but mostly she just went through the motions of what would only satisfy the least demanding and quick-on-the-trigger customers willing and able to accept the rock bottom basic notion of FS).[/QUOTE]I'd probably give her 2 k if she was quite good. 2. 5 if two pops. Poor service 1 k. Mediocre 1. 5.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2119176]I like to go with the flow. Usually works well in Bangkok seldom disappointed especially by FL's, Gogo girls another story. I'm usu'sally quoted 1500 for ST by FL's in Bangkok so that's where'd I start. Maybe 2 k if they rocked my world. It's to / easy to get 1 k FL's on Tinder / TF. Now in AC I had to start asking the girls if they gave good BJ so they'd know that was part of the deal.[/QUOTE]You bring up some interesting points that went through my mind, too. First of all, Thermae girls are FLs, just the same as some of the girls on the street or those one can hook up with online. And you can probably get what you want from those girls for 1,000-1,500 baht vs Thermae's purported 2,500 baht going rate. Nothing magical happens because you meet the FL in Thermae. It isn't as though they have been screened for their looks, skills, accommodation, fairness, disposition or anything else by the management before being allowed in except for not being a Ladyboy. And I can screen out for that without anyone's help.

So in this case, the girl's only question of me before I was about to take a shower was, "Are you big?" LOL. Not so much, nothing abnormal I don't think. She seemed ok with my size. The first thing she did when she sat down next to me on the bed after taking her shower was to say, "I will serve you. Let me do for you, ok?" Since I was experimenting with the Go With The Flow approach with a Thermae girl and BTW that statement sounded pretty good to me, I told her that would be fine, I trust you, I'll go with that.

Then things went sour. She put a bottle of oil next to us on the bed and I asked her not to put oil on me. I hate oil on my body, especially on my dick and balls. It has only numbed me, never improved the feeling of anything, which is not a good idea for guys like me who are not quick on the trigger as it is. But she ignored my request and dumped a pool of oil in her hand and on my dick and balls it went. I can usually throw out any chance of having an orgasm anytime in the next several hours the instant oil is slathered all over my dick and balls. Hope against hope, I thought maybe she had discovered some miracle brand of oil that would not be irritating to my dick. But she hadn't. Next, she slipped on a condom. Even if that oil had been the miracle product I hoped it might be, wearing a condom will most certainly ensure that I will not have an orgasm. And, sure enough, I didn't.

However, she had plenty of orgasms riding on my sheathed dick in cowgirl position. Or at least she pretended to do so fairly convincingly. I guess 3-4 of them. If her act was to be believed.

Meanwhile, DATY was adamantly refused from the get-go before my lips came within arms length of her pussy. No DFK or any mouth kissing with tongues touching was allowed. All mouth to dick contact was fully covered. In fact, other than putting the oil on it, I'm not sure her hand touched more of my dick uncovered than the very base of the shaft before she slipped the condom on it.

I had taken several good looking young girls from the supposedly Asian line-up on the left side in Thermae over the past couple of years and none of those previous experiences had been this dreary. Then again, this was the first time I had taken the Go With The Flow approach and not negotiated in more detail what my money would be paying for when we get to my room. And it will be the last time. My Thermae FL money is much better spent when I clear it with the girl that I will only pay for DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS. The only rare exception is if I am so smitten by the girl that I am willing to risk getting none of those things this first time with her and don't want to bring all possibility of getting what I want by having her say "no" in the bar (or, rather, outside the bar in the case of Thermae since I feel that is a better place and time to engage in a real negotiation there; after we have walked out and onto the sidewalk). This was not one of those times.

After she and I had showered again and I got dressed, I slipped 2000 baht into her hand for the approximately 45 minutes of time in the room and 30 minutes on the bed. I didn't get off, she knew it and she seemed not to be particularly bothered by that, did not take steps to "serve" me any further than the most drearily basic definition of no-frills, covered FS. She ignored my first important request not to put any damn oil on my dick. But I realize a much faster on the trigger guy, even wearing a condom, probably would have finished within 2-3 minutes with this girl and that is probably the kind of customer she is used to dealing with. So I felt my 2000 baht payment was more than fair and bordering on generous.

However, she looked at the money and seemed shocked. "Oh no. Short Time is 2,500 baht."

"For what?" I asked. "You ignored my request not to put oil on me, there was no pussy eating, no real kissing, everything was covered, you didn't care about "serving" me enough to even attempt a BBBJ, much less one that finishes like a real blowjob. I'm sorry, but that was really bad sex for me."

"But I have family to take care of!"

"Well, honey, if you need to make more money to take care of your family, you should start learning how to give a real blowjob without a condom." And, with that, I peeled off another 500 baht and gave that to her. We had, after all, engaged in what passes for sex among many customers these days, I hadn't negotiated any particular sexual act beforehand, and she played the "my family" card. In the end, I gave her the going rate for a Thermae girl ST, 2,500 baht, under mild protest.

That is why I was curious what others would have done. For me, my little experiment was indeed informative. I am now fully informed that the best approach for me is to negotiate the "For what?" part of the deal upfront with the "How much?" part being somewhat immaterial. I mean, in Thermae it's going to run somewhere between 1,500 baht at a rock bottom minimum to 3,000 baht at a likely maximum for ST. I am not going to balk and walk from a Thermae girl that I am genuinely attracted to and who has agreed to DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS for the sake of saving 1,500 baht or less. But I would definitely balk and walk from a Thermae girl who says No to any two of those options no matter how low her acceptable price is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]Then again, this was the first time I had taken the Go With The Flow approach and not negotiated in more detail what my money would be paying for when we get to my room. And it will be the last time. My Thermae FL money is much better spent when I clear it with the girl that I will only pay for DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS. [/QUOTE]I curious how you negotiate for BBFS, and how well it works do you just ask if no condom is OK? I get it often enough that I don't worry and BBBJ in Thailand is all but a given as you have illustrated. I think you had a bad experience and I'd chalk it up as that. I have started asking gogo girls if they give good blow jobs and if they say yes I've always gotten BBBJ so far. I've gotten 1500 from thermae girls before I usually establish price. And several for 1500 LT since they often don't have a room or want to go home.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]You bring up some interesting points that went through my mind, too. First of all, Thermae girls are FLs, just the same as some of the girls on the street or those one can hook up with online. And you can probably get what you want from those girls for 1,000-1,500 baht vs Thermae's purported 2,500 baht going rate. Nothing magical happens because you meet the FL in Thermae. It isn't as though they have been screened for their looks, skills, accommodation, fairness, disposition or anything else by the management before being allowed in except for not being a Ladyboy. And I can screen out for that without anyone's help.
[/QUOTE]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?

From what I saw, Thermae FLs were a notch or two above those milling about outside Nana Plaza, and approaching gogos, and we have no barfine, no lady drinks, no BS from the MMS / servers. I saw 2500ST as fair, considering gogos are 3000-3500 (+barfine and lady drinks? True you can't inspect the goods and no guarantee of service.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119343]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?

From what I saw, Thermae FLs were a notch or two above those milling about outside Nana Plaza, and approaching gogos, and we have no barfine, no lady drinks, no BS from the MMS / servers. I saw 2500ST as fair, considering gogos are 3000-3500 (+barfine and lady drinks? True you can't inspect the goods and no guarantee of service.[/QUOTE]1000 in BKK? A ST from a Nana car park FL.

1000 in Pattaya? Quite a standard rate in beach road for a ST. Late late at night (morning?) you might get her for 700.

You can't compare prices of a ST between a FL and a gogo. Two different price leagues. I don't necessarily mean different derive leauges. In LOS paying more doesn't necessarily mean getting more.

Gogo and bar girls, just as CL or BP or escorts, have their own price standards set by the fact they are picked up in a specific location or arrangement.

Same girl might have two or three different prices.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119343]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?.[/QUOTE]At that price with a lower Suk SW you can expect a somewhat rushed suck & fuck. I would not expect a leisurely multi-pop GFE. Time of day, day of week, and personal chemistry with the lady are all variables. A BBBJ should be confirmed in advance. As always YMMV.

While a [I]quick and dirty[/I] spontaneous [I]opening price point[/I] encounter can be good fun, I find a 2300 baht two hour multi-pop PSE oily session to be more satisfying.

SL.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2119337]I curious how you negotiate for BBFS, and how well it works do you just ask if no condom is OK? I get it often enough that I don't worry and BBBJ in Thailand is all but a given as you have illustrated. I think you had a bad experience and I'd chalk it up as that. I have started asking gogo girls if they give good blow jobs and if they say yes I've always gotten BBBJ so far. I've gotten 1500 from thermae girls before I usually establish price. And several for 1500 LT since they often don't have a room or want to go home.[/QUOTE]BBBJ as mere foreplay might be all but a given in Thailand, but a BBBJ to a real CIM finish (many would call that a "blowjob" and call BBBJ as mere foreplay as "oral foreplay", including me) is not a given at all. Unfortunately, that kind of finish must generally be clarified before the act begins unless you are fine with the girl converting what you thought was going to be a blowjob with a real blowjob finish into a handjob with a bit of oral foreplay thrown in. A girl who works in a known BJ Bar might not need to be asked if she will provide a CIM finish, but these days I would not assume that to be the case either and would still ask beforehand just to make sure she hasn't been led to believe by her customers that a BJ ends some other way but orally / CIM.

On the subject of BBFS, personally I do not recommend (if that is even the right word) it unless you have taken the same precautions I have taken with regard to the option; I am circumcised, I got a vasectomy many years ago, I always have a current (within 2-3 months) HIV / STI medical blood check document from a legitimate and reputable testing clinic such as Thailand Red Cross showing Negative / Non-Reactive / Normal results, I always roll out of bed to wash my dick and balls with soapy water within minutes of finishing and take a leak. It isn't perfect, nothing is and I don't expect it to be, but in my case doing this must have contributed to keeping me STI-free and unplanned pregnancy-free through decades of BB sex with thousands of women all around the world, most of them being P4 P girls. This is not an endorsement, just stating my personal experience and what I feel has kept me and my partners safer from my BB life choice due to my never being able to finish while wearing a condom.

My general thoughts on P4P negotiation for virtually any activity you want can be found in Posts #33419 and #33429 in this thread. I will just re-post most of it here now to save you the search and have since cleaned up and clarified some messaging in the original text:

Different circumstances call for a different approach, but for me the circumstances generally fall into one of these 3. And in all cases it is assumed I am attracted to the girl enough to want to be with her, not just responding to any girl approaching me:

1. I am so smitten by the girl there is no need to ask anything specific because I honestly do not care if the only thing I get out of the experience this time is DATY, as long as I get her out of the bar and into my room where the real chemistry for how much GFE will be had and time will be spent is ultimately established. It happens. In a case like that, I might even be the one to ask if she wants to go barfine before she asks me, which is rare because I would much rather the girl ask me first, and most do. If this particular type of girl asks me first, I still would probably not ask her about anything specific, just pretend to give it some thought and eventually say yes. LOL.

2. It matters what I get in the room tonight, the girl asks me to pay her barfine but she does not bring up an amount of money for her. My interview process would go something like this, keeping it fun and playful:

- Pay your barfine? What will we do in the room?

"Ha ha. Everything. Up to you."

- Everything, up to me? I like everything, up to me. You do good sa-moke?

"Sa-moke?"

- Blowjob. You give good blowjob, cum in mouth everything, no condom? Will you do that for me?

"Yes, I will do that for you."

End of interview process. If her response is notably negative, I bail. If it is notably positive, I am in.

I don't ask anything more in this regard unless she brings it up and wants to talk about it more. I now have heard everything of value that I could possibly learn in the bar BECAUSE belaboring the subject longer in the bar accomplishes little and all of the more important matters in terms of how good or how long ANYTHING gets will be established as nature takes its course when we are alone in the room and she has really gotten more comfortable with me. It will not be learned when we are both dealing with a ton of distractions and interruptions in the bar. My question about how she would finish a blowjob is asked only to establish a floor, a fall back position below which I do not want to go if our chemistry, the boom-boom conditions, whatever does not go as well as I want in the room. I may have no intention of going for a blowjob with this girl but I ask the question (that her response elicited, BTW) anyway. I wind up boom-booming, my way (bareback), girls who give that answer about 65% of the time or more. I go for the now already agreed upon real blowjob with a CIM finish the other 35% of the time. Which is a perfect boom-boom to blowjob ratio for me.

3. It matters what I get in the room tonight, the girl asks me to pay her barfine and at some point brings up an amount of money she wants me to pay her. Some guys take this as a sure sign to bail, the girl bringing up how much money she wants, that is. I used to feel that way too. But I have since learned it is actually a nifty opportunity to get a whole host of important issues hammered down and out of the way long before we get to the room. I welcome it now. Recognize that she has thrown a hardball by citing her dream number baht amount she wants me to give her. So it is time for me to throw a hardball right back. But it won't be a hardball about how much money I will give her. It will be a hardball about the level of pleasure I would expect if I paid her dream amount. It would go something like this:

Me - "3,000 baht? Hmmm. If I pay a lady 3,000 baht I would need her to (and this is where I ask for the world. Fill in with whatever your best P4 P experience would be; Long Time until noon tomorrow, multiple pops, BB this or that, DFK, shaved pussy, you name it)"

Her - "oh no, I cannot do XYZ. But the other things ok."

Me - "hmmm. Well, if you don't do XYZ, then I can only give you 2,000 baht. You ok?

"ok".

Maybe it will go back and forth a couple more times until she gets me to another number or she agrees to do something more. But this can still be done playfully and fun. I have had plenty of great, hassle free experiences with very good girls this way because a lot of the stuff I'd rather not have a conversation about in the room has already been settled and now we can work on that chemistry to make it all more relaxed, enjoyable and agreeable.

After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119393]
Me - "3,000 baht? Hmmm. If I pay a lady 3,000 baht I would need her to (and this is where I ask for the world. Fill in with whatever your best P4 P experience would be; Long Time until noon tomorrow, multiple pops, BB this or that, DFK, shaved pussy, you name it)"

Her - "oh no, I cannot do XYZ. But the other things ok."

Me - "hmmm. Well, if you don't do XYZ, then I can only give you 2,000 baht. You ok?

"ok".[/QUOTE]Are you having this conversation in Thai? I can't even remember the last time I found a thai girl who spoke English well enough to understand a conversation like that in English.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]However, she looked at the money and seemed shocked. "Oh no. Short Time is 2,500 baht."

"For what?" I asked. "You ignored my request not to put oil on me, there was no pussy eating, no real kissing, everything was covered, you didn't care about "serving" me enough to even attempt a BBBJ, much less one that finishes like a real blowjob. I'm sorry, but that was really bad sex for me."

"But I have family to take care of!"

"Well, honey, if you need to make more money to take care of your family, you should start learning how to give a real blowjob without a condom." And, with that, I peeled off another 500 baht and gave that to her. We had, after all, engaged in what passes for sex among many customers these days, I hadn't negotiated any particular sexual act beforehand, and she played the "my family" card. In the end, I gave her the going rate for a Thermae girl ST, 2,500 baht, under mild protest.

That is why I was curious what others would have done. For me, my little experiment was indeed informative. I am now fully informed that the best approach for me is to negotiate the "For what?" part of the deal upfront with the "How much?" part being somewhat immaterial. I mean, in Thermae it's going to run somewhere between 1,500 baht at a rock bottom minimum to 3,000 baht at a likely maximum for ST. I am not going to balk and walk from a Thermae girl that I am genuinely attracted to and who has agreed to DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS for the sake of saving 1,500 baht or less. But I would definitely balk and walk from a Thermae girl who says No to any two of those options no matter how low her acceptable price is.[/QUOTE]2 k is probably more than I would have given, and to tell you the truth I would have called off the session long before then. When DFK, DATY, et al was refused, I would have explained why I was not happy and also told her that I did not expect nor want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with, gotten up, dressed, given her between 500 and 1 k, and left.

How did the exchange end for you? Was she upset or did she at least pretend to understand your position?

[QUOTE=DannyBoy20;2119114]Hi folks,

Would be travelling to Bangkok for the first time & need help, would like to know from which nightclub I can pick freelancers from Sukhumvit area & prices & please and also suggest good soapy massage parlours around Sukhumvit area & is it also easy to find girls from online dating apps if yes please suggest a few any more info would be greatly appreciated my PM is active.

Happy mongering.

DannyBoy20.[/QUOTE]Insanity and levels, these are the clubs from where I pick free lancers in Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119508]After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119637]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.[/QUOTE]Yo tambien!

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119637]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.[/QUOTE]I think it's obvious that he was being sarcastic. By calling an attractive girl ugly he was in effect boasting of how good-looking the ones he considers pretty ones are.

Such a risk to pick up a "girl" directly outside of Thermae instead of inside tho. (even though she looks legit).