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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122636]I think the profile of girls has changed significantly, especially in the freelancer scene. In the past there was a fair number of younger girls (mid-late 20's who think they're getting old), part-timers, dabblers and in-betweeners. Even full-time bargirls often saw hooking as a temporary stopgap, and were looking to get out.

For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer.

Moreover, as Goatscrot said, going rates are so high these days that a day of several minimum-effort short times far exceed benefits of snagging a punter for several days or longer. Demand is high enough and supply limited enough that even average girls can get enough customers at these inflated prices.[/QUOTE]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp. I might only add that for the somewhat emotionally sound as well as the severely emotionally stunted girls (and us too, I suppose), many needs in that department can now be met via their smartphone/Line/Facebook/etc., where in the past many girls might have felt a genuine emotional need to simply spend time with another person in close proximity, overnight, a couple of days at a time and so on for the company, because they were lonely. So they were required to be on their better behavior just to be invited.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122641]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp. I might only add that for the somewhat emotionally sound as well as the severely emotionally stunted girls (and us too, I suppose), many needs in that department can now be met via their smartphone/Line/Facebook/etc., where in the past many girls might have felt a genuine emotional need to simply spend time with another person in close proximity, overnight, a couple of days at a time and so on for the company, because they were lonely. So they were required to be on their better behavior just to be invited.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. Some very good points made by Crocodile and the Goat.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122361]Actually I am not just about service, and as I get into my 50's I am finding that looks are more important than they used to be. Yes, it is a lot better if the gal enjoys herself, or at least pretends to do so.

I think some of these gals are going to have a bit of a struggle as they get into their 30's and put on 10 kilos.[/QUOTE]I have found that having got used to doing pretty girls and girls with great bodies, there is just no excitement coming from a naked girl with a sloppy body or disaster body. I am not blind, still affected a lot by visuals. Still having a great preference for enthusiastic girls, or even shy girls that let themselves go.

Soi 4 has a lot of girls on the street with less than great bodies. Isn't that easy to find a girl there with a great body and also enthusiasm and good GFE. The very low prices like 1 K or so are just not enough for me to want this the low standard. I am just too picky. Maybe the technique should be "scatter gun". Just try them all and if no good, not so much money blown. LOL I gave away the only girl met that was a good fuck, purely because her looks were not good enough to keep be horny for her, and she started to get more mercenary, wanting more money based on longer than average sessions. In the end a cheap fuck but not exciting enough.

Thermae has proved to be a difficult hunting ground for me. Hard to find natural great body enthusiastic girls, with a sweet GFE attitude. Even the way the girls talk to me, puts me off a lot. Very sceptical and business like attitudes showing. If I was less concerned about the perfect body, might work better for me. Sure some girls are giving inviting glances, but typically not the girls I want, or they are just too covered up to see the body well enough.

My need to spend a lot of time evaluating girls is not suited to getting girls from the street or Thermae. It tends to be a big gamble. In the old days, we gambled and were disappointed much less often. Had some great girls from Thermae many years ago but not in the modern day. In the old days girls in Thermae had a more friendly attitude and were prepared to chat for extended time first. I did meet some real sweet girls that were only part time hookers. Not their main employment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122657]Thermae has proved to be a difficult hunting ground for me. Hard to find natural great body enthusiastic girls, with a sweet GFE attitude. Even the way the girls talk to me, puts me off a lot. Very sceptical and business like attitudes showing. If I was less concerned about the perfect body, might work better for me. Sure some girls are giving inviting glances, but typically not the girls I want, or they are just too covered up to see the body well enough.

My need to spend a lot of time evaluating girls is not suited to getting girls from the street or Thermae. It tends to be a big gamble. In the old days, we gambled and were disappointed much less often. Had some great girls from Thermae many years ago but not in the modern day. In the old days girls in Thermae had a more friendly attitude and were prepared to chat for extended time first. I did meet some real sweet girls that were only part time hookers. Not their main employment.[/QUOTE]Thermae was my go to spot from '99 till about '07. Just an amazing place. I was there on average 3 times a week during that time and pulled countless gals. And it was a very "fun" place. The gals wanted to have a good time and of course the punters did as well. One would stroll around the place and countless chicks would grab your unit and try to get you to take them. Also, many of them liked to drink a bit which fostered the party atmosphere and much more open sexuality than you see nowadays. There were always gals putting money in the jukebox and dancing. Of course, after the GoGos closed the place really filled up and by 3 am you could hardly move in there. For those of you who don't remember, Thermae used to close at about 6 am. Price was never an issue. All the gals were more than happy with 1 k. Attitudes were for the most part quite good and with a little alcohol to loosen them up; most of the chicks wanted to have a good ride just as much as you did. I remember one regular who used to come up, grab my arm, and say "Let's go f $$k. " My kind of gal. The clientele when I first started going was just about 100% Western.

The entire atmosphere began to change when the Japanese began coming to Thermae about 02 or so. During the initial invasion they staked out the back corner and there began to be a group of gals that were Japanese only. They tended to be far less interactive than the other girls, did not drink, and were not overtly sexual. They would stand around and wait till they were approached, always keeping a rather demure manner. Also, they were asking and getting 1500 Baht. Fast forward to '07 and the numbers of Asian punters had grown to equal or outnumber Westerners. With the closure of the Siam Hotel on Petchburi Rd, which was the Asian late night place like Thermae, most of the punters from there made the jump to Thermae, bringing with them a completely different style and attitude towards P4 P.

With the price in Thermae having risen to 1500 and with a ST hotel being 350, it was then I discovered the oilies; an hour all in for 1900 and I could blow my load more than once. For me it was a no brainer. My days as a Thermae denizen were over.

Throughout the past 10 years I revisit the place about once every other month. Khun Somchai still greets me and remembers what I drink and ask about friends I used to frequent with. One thing that hasn't changed; Thermae has the best bar staff in the city. Each time I enter the place I feel nostalgic and a bit sad. In its current state, it is the antithesis of fun. Gals stand along the booths and walls, dressed fairly conservatively, they don't drink, they try to act demure as opposed to sexually charged, and they bow and kowtow as the Asian dudes pass by, seemingly giving them the same regard as they might the vegetable aisle in the supermarket. There is very little interaction compared to the Thermae I knew and loved. And of course the prices are sky high.

It is truly an Asian man's place now. The girls are catering to the market and they know the market for the Asian dude is very different from the market for Western men. Asian men like a demure gal; Western men don't. We want to have fun. We want it to be a bit raucous. We like gals with outgoing personalities who will grab us, talk dirty to us, be sexual and somewhat hardcore from the get go, and of course deliver that GFE or PSE every time. But guys, we're not going to see that again in Thermae. It is the Asian man's place now. In fact, aside from Soi 6 in Pattaya, almost the entire P4 P scene in Thailand is Asian oriented. As I stated above, it makes me sad to see that fun disappear. Prices are one thing, and there is a correlation between rising prices and less service, but it is the fun that is really missed. RIP.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122636]I think the profile of girls has changed significantly, especially in the freelancer scene. In the past there was a fair number of younger girls (mid-late 20's who think they're getting old), part-timers, dabblers and in-betweeners. Even full-time bargirls often saw hooking as a temporary stopgap, and were looking to get out.

For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer.

Moreover, as Goatscrot said, going rates are so high these days that a day of several minimum-effort short times far exceed benefits of snagging a punter for several days or longer. Demand is high enough and supply limited enough that even average girls can get enough customers at these inflated prices.[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot on. Very well stated. As the economy improved during the late 00's and the 10's, the amount of part-timers and gals in the foreign P4 P scene in general decreased. In the current economy a Thai couple who both have degrees can easily pull in 50-60 k together and live pretty well. And as the smart phone and chat programs proliferated the number of gals working online has increased as well. I am sure there is no shortage of uni and early career gals here who have local Thai sugar daddies they met online. So yes, what we are left with in our scene is as you say, "the bottom of the barrel. " Gals who are either too lazy or not smart enough to take advantage of the opportunities given to them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122641]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp.[/QUOTE]I think a report of distinction is one where some useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service. There used to be loads of such reports on this forum but nowadays most posts are complaining about how bad everything is compared to the past, how everything has moved online and how Asian men have taken over. Do we really need to dwell on these things so much? Clearly things are not as good as the past but there is still fun to be had. To me a report of distinction should include information on where to find that fun.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122752]
It is truly an Asian man's place now. The girls are catering to the market and they know the market for the Asian dude is very different from the market for Western men. Asian men like a demure gal; Western men don't. We want to have fun. We want it to be a bit raucous. We like gals with outgoing personalities who will grab us, talk dirty to us, be sexual and somewhat hardcore from the get go, and of course deliver that GFE or PSE every time. But guys, we're not going to see that again in Thermae. It is the Asian man's place now. In fact, aside from Soi 6 in Pattaya, almost the entire P4 P scene in Thailand is Asian oriented. As I stated above, it makes me sad to see that fun disappear. Prices are one thing, and there is a correlation between rising prices and less service, but it is the fun that is really missed. RIP.[/QUOTE]I didn't quote your entire post, but the entire post was excellent. That's a perfect synopsis of Thermae. And it's the reason I don't even waste my time going there anymore for the most part. It's simply not a fun place anymore. Any place that has been "asianized" and tailored towards asian male clientele is no fun. I'm a little surprised there are so many posts about the place recently. There are a lot better places for a westerner to go than there these days. I am like you, I like my girls to be flirty and naughty, not demure. Higher prices and boring girls are not my preference.

[QUOTE==*****man;2122781]I think a report of distinction is one where some useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service. There used to be loads of such reports on this forum but nowadays most posts are complaining about how bad everything is compared to the past, how everything has moved online and how Asian men have taken over. Do we really need to dwell on these things so much? Clearly things are not as good as the past but there is still fun to be had. To me a report of distinction should include information on where to find that fun.[/QUOTE]Nope, I still consider it a post of distinction and one very much about why we need to deal with the realities of today's Bkk P4P scene in different ways. Particularly this part:

[QUOTE=Crocodile]For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer. [/QUOTE]Realizing that is much closer to the state of things now fits quite nicely with my oft-repeated position that negotiating "For what?" in much more detail than most punters thought they needed to and not just for or primarily regarding the "How much?" part is a far more effective way to get what you want. Might not have had to do that in the past. But today I think it is almost mandatory. The above quote from Crocodilexp along with what he referenced Goatscrot saying about it illustrates very well why that would be the case, imo.

Hi guys,

Finally tried SP in J nagar, has very good taste on girls he deals! Can exchange with some good FRs.

If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.

Thanks a ton for this post. This is truly a post of distinction. When I first went to thermae the culture of the place seemed to be an oddity. Everywhere else girls were grabbing you from streets, here they seemed to be very passive. Usual punters blamed on girls being cold / lazy. I had suspected it to be because of something related to Asian / Jap dating scene. This post clears out why Thermae has this distinctive culture and it's ladies being so different. I would take a guess that lots of girls are part timers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122752]Thermae was my go to spot from '99 till about '07. Just an amazing place. I was there on average 3 times a week during that time and pulled countless gals. And it was a very "fun" place. The gals wanted to have a good time and of course the punters did as well. One would stroll around the place and countless chicks would grab your unit and try to get you to take them. Also, many of them liked to drink a bit which fostered the party atmosphere and much more open sexuality than you see nowadays. There were always gals putting money in the jukebox and dancing. Of course, after the GoGos closed the place really filled up and by 3 am you could hardly move in there. For those of you who don't remember, Thermae used to close at about 6 am. Price was never an issue. All the gals were more than happy with 1 k. Attitudes were for the most part quite good and with a little alcohol to loosen them up; most of the chicks wanted to have a good ride just as much as you did. I remember one regular who used to come up, grab my arm, and say "Let's go f $$k. " My kind of gal. The clientele when I first started going was just about 100% Western..[/QUOTE]

Hello people,

Planning for a Thailand trip in early March. My flight lands at 4 am in the morning and departs at 8 pm in the evening on a different date. It's a 4 day trip in all. What I want to know is will I be able to do early check in on my arrival. Standard check in time is 2 pm and standard check out time is 11 am. On either days I have 6 HR time gap for check in check out. Are there any hotels which can cater custom check in check out?

My travel dates are March 3rd arrival and March 6th departure. Looking for a hotel around nana plaza.

Mregards.

JP.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122866]If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.[/QUOTE]No dispute from me on those advantages. And the bit I mentioned about the smartphone being today's conduit for communing with and influencing the girls on an emotional level rather than just a cash transaction where shmoozing with them in a bar was the primary setting before? I would be the guy on the other side of that Line conversation sending her those cute little stickers with animated hearts and kisses coming out of teddy bear heads. LOL. Talk about a better fuck and suck than any cash transaction and a few Lady Drinks ever bought me in the past!

I have said I am getting better sex today from younger and better looking Thai girls than I did 20-25 years ago. And I have the smartphone in my pocket with the Line app in it to thank for that.

It isn't because I am spending more time and (relatively) more money in the bars than I did before, including Thermae, because I most definitely am not.

[QUOTE=JayPurohit;2122928]Hello people, Planning for a Thailand trip in early March. *snip* Mregards. JP.[/QUOTE]Hi Jay. I wrote this note as a pm to you, only to be told your mailbox is full. Rather than delete.

The late check out shouldn't be a big deal -- you can probably get a 4 pm Check out, and that's about the time you will need to leave for the airport anyway. If noon or 2 pm Is all the hotel can / will give you, just leave your bag and come back to get it, after you've visited whatever oilie or soapie you have in mind.

Early check in is much tougher. If the hotel does have a room, you can likely check in whenever you arrive -- which will be about 6 or 7 am If the hotel is booked, no matter how hard you try, you won't get a room until someone leaves, the room is cleaned, etc. One option is to rent a low-cost room for the night before you arrive and make it abundantly clear to the hotel why you are renting it, that you won't be arriving until 6 am, etc. , etc.

Good luck and have fun in March. TTG.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122866]If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.[/QUOTE]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.