Panama City

If the girl has had sex with 200 or 2,000+ guys does it matter? Once she takes a shower and washes her cuca it is as good as new.
I think it is just a mental game that guys play to pretend their puta is more innocent than another puta. To be the first of the day,
would be a worthy goal and that makes some sense. If you actually know the girl, and the lifestyle she lives, or if she has a Colombiano.
for a boyfriend living with her, it gives you better odds of getting a fresh cuca for that day.
Living in Panama has been a great advantage. I am actually friends with some of the girls and that gives you the key to knowing what,
actually goes on. Some things are just amazing and hard to believe. And everyday is a new adventure. The Colombianas are there to
make money, and no, they do not love you. Just enjoy it for what it is, a nice diversion from reality.

[QUOTE=MarianoRiv;1624743]Yes indeed, it is interesting and true what you say. Next time I will do more research beforehand, and try out some of those cheaper places that the locals go to, as well! I do feel like I got beat out of $100-200, and that is upsetting, but I will try to get over it.

It's interesting to me how the gals did not seem to think (or care) if they might be perceived as greedy for asking for a propina! They don't really mind how they are perceived, do they? It's like they don't have strong self-awareness, or don't care! And to be fair, 2 of the gals did put in some effort. Like this one chica who got some weed out of her purse, and we smoked in the bathroom, with the fan on. She was cool.

But yeah, it pays to do the homework beforehand. I will definitely do that if I ever to go Asia. (I've never been! Yet![/QUOTE]It's a learning experience!

[QUOTE=VivaChicas;1625158]Living in Panama has been a great advantage. I am actually friends with some of the girls and that gives you the key to knowing what, actually goes on. Some things are just amazing and hard to believe. And everyday is a new adventure. The Colombianas are there to make money, and no, they do not love you. Just enjoy it for what it is, a nice diversion from reality.[/QUOTE]Question for you: Do you know any non-pro Colombianas in Panama? I know a single mom who has a real job at a real estate firm (I've independently verified this). Every morning she wakes up and brings her kid to school, goes to work down on Balboa, walks home, etc. That's her life.

I do not at this point have any sort of sexual relationship with her.

I am a naturally skeptical person and protective of myself, but the question is with her being a Colombiana should I be naturally extra skeptical of her and the things she says?

I will be there this weekend. Does anyone know if this hotel is chica friendly. Rates are really good.

Grand International Hotel.

Via Argentina con calle Jose Marti- El Cangrejo - 00000 Panama City.

[QUOTE=HangerOne;1619492]The Veneto is having another fall sale, last year around this time I booked for 45 dollars a night via Expedia and right now its down to as low as 34 dollars a night for some nights in October and November. Check [URL]expedia.com[/URL] for more details.[/QUOTE]I checked this as I will be down there this weekend. Not sure how people are getting $40-$50 rates at Veneto. I have never seen it less than about $89 a night plus tax including this weekend. Whats the trick?

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If she isn't banging 5 guys a day on a standard day then she isn't working very hard is she? These girls can't survive on one guy a day. If they could bang 24 in a day. I don't think very many of them would have a problem with that.

[/QUOTE]If we are referring to Habanos / Veneto girls than the average girl is bagging 3-4 clients a week. I have asked many of them over drinks and have gotten the same answer. I have also asked a quite unattractive Panamanian that works at Habanos and she said 1 is average and 2 if she is lucky per week but, $150-$300 a week is still way more than she could make working a job with having no education etc.
On the other end of the spectrum the hot Ukranian girl is averaging about 10-15 guys a week. Earning About $2000-$3000 a week. There are no girls at Habanos banging 5 guys a day. That would be making over 1/2 million a year, but I do understand your point.

Also, I know there are different tastes on these boards. Some guys can go to a casa, or a brothel walk in pay $20 get relieved and 15 minutes later leave satisfied. With no feelings involved in the process. Other guys want more of a connection. Even if it is for a short period of time. To each his own but, to basically tell a guy who wants a GFE to "get over it rent the girl for 30 minutes and move on" is missing the point of what some guys are looking for.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1625523]I will be there this weekend. Does anyone know if this hotel is chica friendly. Rates are really good.

Grand International Hotel.

Via Argentina con calle Jose Marti- El Cangrejo - 00000 Panama City.[/QUOTE]When I was there they were not chica friendly, although I never really forced the issue. But great rates, and great location.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1625535]I checked this as I will be down there this weekend. Not sure how people are getting $40-$50 rates at Veneto. I have never seen it less than about $89 a night plus tax including this weekend. Whats the trick?[/QUOTE]It seems to be a weekday thing. Years ago weeks were expensive and weekends cheap. It seems to be the opposite now.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1625537]To each his own but, to basically tell a guy who wants a GFE to "get over it rent the girl for 30 minutes and move on" is missing the point of what some guys are looking for.[/QUOTE]You are entirely correct despite the fact that I was one of the guys who said rent and move on. I will add though that I was the same way when I started my mongering career. At the time I was going through a bad marriage / business, etc. And I deluded myself into thinking that the connection was available. It's not. It took me a few years to get over that and now I am a happier person in general and in mongering.

We might need to agree as to what is a pro.

Same as with any kind of salesman I would employ. He / She needs to be somebody that could create traffic in my store / shop / etc. , and close the deal. And so it goes with the girl.

If she dresses like she was somewhere in the pueblo that she comes from, I doubt she will get many takes, if she just sits around and is more interested in reading her watsapp conversation or looking at photos of her family back home, if she stays sitting at the one-arm bandit all night and not moving around starting conversations and approaching customers, if she does not know how to sell her product through her words and mannerism when some fish has bitten on her hook. She is not a pro.

If she dresses to attract, not cheap (commensurate to the environment she is working at). If she has a time limit to allow you to sink your teeth in her hook and make you take the deal, if she has presence, if she WORKS at it. Then she might be considered a pro.

Granted some girls at Habanos or Veneto are not pros and never will be. But those that are work on their turn-over do have more than one customer a night, sometime many more.

Same as any saleman, some are, many are not.

It is a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE=BiffDangler;1625690]It seems to be a weekday thing. Years ago weeks were expensive and weekends cheap. It seems to be the opposite now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. Just booked 2 nights over Veteran's Day holiday (Sun and Mon) for $44/ night (Inc taxes) on orbit_z. Weekends more so staying at Hampton by Hilton. Only 5 K Hilton points per night. Has anyone stayed here before? Girl friendly?

This is probably a question for those of you who live in PC and really get around. There is a four story building at the corner of Av Central / Via Espana and Calle L. It's one block south of the viaduct, where Via Espana becomes Av Central. The front corner of the building is rounded and there's a Dynasty department store in the ground floor. There is a yellow painted doorway and stairs to the left of the last window of the Dynasty store on Av Central. This allows you to walk up to the apartments above.

When a friend last visited it with some locals in 2012, the upper three floors were apartments where the women did business. Each apartment was fitted with a normal wooden door, and a "jail door" with widely spaced bars. If the girls are working, the wooden door will be open, and you can look through the bars of the "jail door" to see who's who. The girls frequently sit just inside the door to facilitate this. The price in 2012 was $12 for 15 minutes. There can be anywhere from 1 to 4 girls in an apartment. Despite the low rates and the questionable location, there were some decent looking women there, about the same selection you'd see at Boca.

Here's the question, is this place still in business and has anyone been there recently? I rode by in a taxi last weekend and there were lights on upstairs but I couldn't tell anything beyond that.

So last night me and 4 other guys went out. Started out Happy hour at Mendozas. Around 9 pm we went to dublinia on Calle 50 next to hooters. Some nights there are lots of chicks hanging out. Last night was just 20-20.

Then we went to Club Peru 37 in Bella Vista. Always a good place. Cheap beer in a shady neighborhood. All of the waitresses and many of the customers are available. We hung out for a bit then went to Gruta Azul for the first time.

I'm not sure what to think about it really. On the one hand it was perfectly, safe, clean, etc. On the other hand there must have been 150 or more dudes there with I guess 15 chicks working. It's a real pussy carousel. There was a stage but nobody dancing. All of the girls were decent enough with a few outstanding ones. I went back with one of the outstanding ones "Joheylin" from Nicaragua. Really hot. I elected for $40 for 30 minutes. She claims she has been there a week. We went back to her room where she apparently lives. It was really quite good given the price. I asked her how much to take her out of there and she said $150 for four hours. I got her number. If I ever do anything with it I will report back. $5 cab ride back to Via Argentina.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1625537]If we are referring to Habanos / Veneto girls than the average girl is bagging 3-4 clients a week. I have asked many of them over drinks and have gotten the same answer. I have also asked a quite unattractive Panamanian that works at Habanos and she said 1 is average and 2 if she is lucky per week but, $150-$300 a week is still way more than she could make working a job with having no education etc.
On the other end of the spectrum the hot Ukranian girl is averaging about 10-15 guys a week. Earning About $2000-$3000 a week. There are no girls at Habanos banging 5 guys a day. That would be making over 1/2 million a year, but I do understand your point.

Also, I know there are different tastes on these boards. Some guys can go to a casa, or a brothel walk in pay $20 get relieved and 15 minutes later leave satisfied. With no feelings involved in the process. Other guys want more of a connection. Even if it is for a short period of time. To each his own but, to basically tell a guy who wants a GFE to "get over it rent the girl for 30 minutes and move on" is missing the point of what some guys are looking for.[/QUOTE]If any tell you 3-4, then you should know it is at least 10. I think you are putting a little but too much trust into people. (by people I mean hookers) Just because you don't see them taking guys out from Habanos doesn't mean it doesn't happen. These girls get blown up on their WatsApp and are making arrangements just as easily on that now.

Few of the foreign girls lives year round in Panama. Most go back and forth to their families. Most Colombian Veneto and Habano chicks do 3 month stints in Panama and then go back. Usually until they need to make some more solid income. So I guess that is good news for you, since that would mean that a lot do not work year round. But who knows what they are doing at home. Likely the same thing, just for 1/3rd of the price!

[QUOTE=ElPatron24;1626573]If any tell you 3-4, then you should know it is at least 10. I think you are putting a little but too much trust into people. (by people I mean hookers) Just because you don't see them taking guys out from Habanos doesn't mean it doesn't happen. These girls get blown up on their WatsApp and are making arrangements just as easily on that now.

Few of the foreign girls lives year round in Panama. Most go back and forth to their families. Most Colombian Veneto and Habano chicks do 3 month stints in Panama and then go back. Usually until they need to make some more solid income. So I guess that is good news for you, since that would mean that a lot do not work year round. But who knows what they are doing at home. Likely the same thing, just for 1/3rd of the price![/QUOTE]I was actually talking about girls who I have known for years that I would never session with and they know it. They have no reason to lie to me and I have heard the same numbers from many girls. I was just there this weekend and confirmed again. Also the girls usually stay there 6 months or more. Most year round with the mass exodus going back to Colombia at the end of November than returning mid January. But, really it doesn't matter one way or the other. I can tell you that my trip there this weekend the girls seemed extra business like. Quoting prices within 2 minutes of starting conversation unsolicted. . Also, 3 times I bought a girl a drink talked to them for 20 minutes or so than after realizing I was not going to session with them they asked for a tip each time. $20-$40 just for sitting there and talking to me. I politely refused each time. This seems like a fairly new tactic and is being practiced by all of the girls at Habanos. There were about 4 girls at Habanos who were 9's. Absolutely gorgeous and they seemed to know it and have the attitude to match. No eye contact, could care less to converse. I did stay at the Grand International Hotel. It was Chica friendly. No issue at all. Its a nice place and a great location for the money $43 per night. Newly renovated. Panama is fun and having a direct flight from Florida makes it easy to get to but, it still continues to be hit or miss.