Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2124278]I lost you on your first sentence, as I am not a believer in religions, including that which worships pure unfettered capitalism as an all-pervasive god. Actually, there are a multitude of things that can distort capitalistic markets and it is just as reasonable, actually more so, for someone to ask you to justify the claim pussy is sold in a pure unfettered capitalistic market as it is for you to ask someone to prove "other forces" (other than pure unfettered capitalism) explains the price of pussy in Thailand or elsewhere. Shall we start with police corruption and the effect that has on pricing; monopoly power held by those who control many of the establishments (along with likely collusion in price setting), and so forth.

If you want to experience pure capitalism, find a far away village somewhere and buy some vegetables at an outdoor market. There is at least some chance your transaction will reflect an unfettered free market, although even there maybe not.[/QUOTE]How does police corruption have any bearing on what's being discussed here? Is that causing Japanese men to pay more for prostitutes than Western men? The Japanese are paying because it's a good deal to them, and Westerners are complaining because now some think the price Japanese and other Asians pay, are too high.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124326]Lots of exception really. I as well have many friends who have been with their ex-bargirl wives and GFs with 10 to 20 years age difference for over a decade and have enjoyed very successful relationships. Some have even raised the gals kid she had with a Thai dude and their own kids together. So yes, it is possible. What is not possible is a long distance relationship. If you don't live here, forget it.[/QUOTE]On a recent visit with a male friend to a club on 11 we started chatting to a very attractive Thai lady in I'm guessing her early thirties. She was smart and spoke good English. I attach a snippet of a wide ranging conversation about life In Thailand.

My friend: I know a girl who has three sponsors sending her 30,000 a month each.

Attractive Thai lady: Wow! Good business.

Sure there are success stories but falling for and sending money to a girl in the hope she stays faithful is mostly not going to happen.

First she gets bored at home, perhaps just gets horny, can make more money and besides doesn't see going with other men as that big a deal.

As the saying goes you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl.

Went to Lollypop 1 at around 6 pm today. Posting from the bar chair itself. Ordered a coke for around 80 bht and started working on ph as WiFi is free here. Than saw this girl name' if' playing pool. You can say she is quite average looking girl. Fair colour smooth skin and mainly very well mannered. Must be 24/24 my guess. The girl sitting at counter gave me hint about her and I said OK. So If took me inside to first floor. Asked me to sit on the sofa and cleaned my with tissues and some liquid. Than blew me very smoothly for next 20 min or so including balls licking and all. Very nice BJ and cum in 700 baht with a nice looking girl at last.

Should try at least once will say.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124342]I'm glad you are enjoying yourself. Why am I here? I've lived here for almost 20 years; it's home. Many of us are quite ensconced here and it would be difficult to leave; jobs, businesses, significant others, etc. But would I choose it now? Probably not and that is not just based on the P4P scene, which in BKK has become quite meh at best. There are other nations that are far more accommodating to expats, have more benefits for long-term residents, and have a much easier path to citizenship.[/QUOTE]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124412]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.[/QUOTE]For me, Thailand is much better now than when I was monger vacationing here 20-25 years ago. The two biggest improvements, for me again that is, is that 20-25 years ago was the height of the HIV hysteria condom mania regarding a predicted heterosexual transmission epidemic that never happened and there were no smartphones with fast if highly imperfect translation apps and social networks. I was no more capable of finishing while wearing a condom then than now, so convincing a girl to go bareback during that era, particularly with a serious language barrier, was a major hurdle every time. Can't say how things were 10 years ago since I took about a decade long break from vacationing in Asia until I moved here about 5 years ago. Maybe that was a sweet spot time to monger here, don't know.

And in terms of living conditions, wow, Bangkok is a much more comfortable and convenient place to be now than 20-25 years ago thanks to the MRT, BTS and since noise abatement and anti-exhaust laws were passed regarding motorcycles, buses, cars and trucks.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2124415]The guy who complained the blowjob bar girls aren't beautiful enough takes the cake. There is no other country in the world that even has a blow job bar. These clowns don't know when they've got it made. Rather a blank page than whining and bitching about everything.[/QUOTE]His other big complaint was there were no stunners or girls worth the time and money among the freelancers in the usual clubs and bars the night before, apparently unaware of the fact that New Year's week to Thai people re being with their families is like Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Thanksgiving, New Years Eve and New Years Day to USA people all rolled into one week. The more financially successful freelancers are not working this week. Stretches of Sukhumvit look like a ghost town even tonight, January 3rd. Very few street vendors. Many restaurants are closed until the 6th of January.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124412]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.[/QUOTE]I'd probably look at some places in Europe (Portugal, Greece, some Eastern nations) or South America. Actually Malaysia has a very nice visa program, Malaysia my 2nd Home, and plenty of gals.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2124420]And in terms of living conditions, wow, Bangkok is a much more comfortable and convenient place to be now than 20-25 years ago thanks to the MRT, BTS and since noise abatement and anti-exhaust laws were passed regarding motorcycles, buses, cars and trucks.[/QUOTE]I actually preferred it 20 years ago. It was far less posh and still had a bit of an edge to it. And for that matter you could eat at the best restaurants in town for literally peanuts. Le Normandie had specials during low season where you could have a three course lunch for 999 Baht and the exchange rate at the time was 44 to 1. Never spent more than 25 USD for amazing food at the cities great restaurants. As it has become more comfortable and convenient, more people have come and the prices have skyrocketed, but in my opinion the quality has not.
Of course I loved Cambodia in late 90s early 00s. Very cool place. And the perceived danger kept most away.
I find BKK even more noisy now with all the big bikes and the aftermarket pipes they put on.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2124415]The guy who complained the blowjob bar girls aren't beautiful enough takes the cake. There is no other country in the world that even has a blow job bar. These clowns don't know when they've got it made. Rather a blank page than whining and bitching about everything.[/QUOTE]No offense BJ Bars originated from Japan and are still very popular there and accessible to foreigners (only some, not all). + Vietnam has BJ bars which are basically hair salons / BJ bars. + I think S Korea has them but never visited one there, went to kiss bars there though. Although I agree bitching and whining is pointless.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124516]I actually preferred it 20 years ago. It was far less posh and still had a bit of an edge to it. And for that matter you could eat at the best restaurants in town for literally peanuts. Le Normandie had specials during low season where you could have a three course lunch for 999 Baht and the exchange rate at the time was 44 to 1. Never spent more than 25 USD for amazing food at the cities great restaurants. As it has become more comfortable and convenient, more people have come and the prices have skyrocketed, but in my opinion the quality has not.
Of course I loved Cambodia in late 90s early 00s. Very cool place. And the perceived danger kept most away.
I find BKK even more noisy now with all the big bikes and the aftermarket pipes they put on.[/QUOTE]In those days, 20-25 years ago, I couldn't get out of Bangkok and to Pattaya fast enough. Some people say it is still smoggy here. But I can't say it bothers me like it did back then. You could see the putrid exhaust jetting out of every vehicle, especially the motorbikes, and filling the streets with putrid fumes like San Francisco fog. The noise was deafening and unrelenting. Traffic would come to a standstill and, other than riding motorbike taxis through all that exhaust, you were going be stuck in it with no alternatve. They would have had to offer me fantastic deals on hotel rooms and food just to keep me there more nights than necessary on late arrival or to catch my flights.

And, honestly, I don't recall Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong offering such great sexually rewarding experiences at then bargain prices. Instead, I remember having to be much more wary of rip-offs and bait and switch scams than I needed to be in Pattaya. And that the sex overall in Thailand was not nearly as good as in the Philippines.

I usually spent about half of my vacation time in Thailand and half in the Philippines because I wanted to experience both after traveling so far to get to this part of the world. And because the infrastructure was better in Thailand then as now. But when it came to the women, I always kind of missed the Philippines when I was in Thailand but never missed Thailand when I was in the Philippines. LOL.

When it came time to retire in one place or another, Thailand's superior infrastructure and lower crime rate won out. And I fully intended to take 2-3 week trips to the Philippines to get my sweeter, more loving Filippina sex fix every six months or so. But do you know I have not taken one trip to the Philippines for that fix in the 5+ years I have lived in Bangkok?

It turns out all of the sweeter and more loving feeling I thought I would be missing in Bkk as I missed it 20-25 years ago can be had right here these days. Right along with the more strictly mercenary sex for cash transactions, of course. So I have not felt the need to go outside of Bkk for anything of a sexual nature. Have honestly not had time or a break in the rewarding action long enough to feel a need for it.

That is why I credit smartphones, dating apps, translation apps and the Line app for making it that way for me today when it was not that way for me at all 20-25 years ago.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124389]How does police corruption have any bearing on what's being discussed here? Is that causing Japanese men to pay more for prostitutes than Western men? The Japanese are paying because it's a good deal to them, and Westerners are complaining because now some think the price Japanese and other Asians pay, are too high.[/QUOTE]You are the one who raised the issue of the free market as the mechanism determining pricing and you challenged members of this board to explain what other forces are at work ("The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work"). I responded to your challenge.

If you don't think police corruption and the bribes P4P places have to pay affect pricing, you are living in a fantasy world. My post wasn't an attempt to address whether certain ethnic groups are driving up prices; it was meant to address your naïve statement about capitalism and the free market as it applies to P4P.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2124611]You are the one who raised the issue of the free market as the mechanism determining pricing and you challenged members of this board to explain what other forces are at work ("The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work"). I responded to your challenge.

If you don't think police corruption and the bribes P4P places have to pay affect pricing, you are living in a fantasy world. My post wasn't an attempt to address whether certain ethnic groups are driving up prices; it was meant to address your nave statement about capitalism and the free market as it applies to P4P.[/QUOTE]The statement was clearly made in relation to the main argument a few punters here are making; that somehow Asians are being ripped off when they're paying willingly.

Also, to address your largely irrelevant point that doesn't pertain to the main argument: If you think bribes are not subject to market forces as well, perhaps that's the truly naive statement.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124515]I'd probably look at some places in Europe (Portugal, Greece, some Eastern nations) or South America. Actually Malaysia has a very nice visa program, Malaysia my 2nd Home, and plenty of gals.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't be getting laid in Portugal or Greece. And Malaysia is a far drop from Thailand in my opinion. Personally, I think Malaysia sucks and I've been there many times and speak the language. I'd take Indonesia over Malaysia any day (although not so easy getting a visa in Indonesia), but I'd take Thailand over any of them.

You are already in the best place, and if you did leave Thailand you'd very likely regret that decision. But again, I do agree it's not as good as it used to be in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124656]The statement was clearly made in relation to the main argument a few punters here are making; that somehow Asians are being ripped off when they're paying willingly.

Also, to address your largely irrelevant point that doesn't pertain to the main argument: If you think bribes are not subject to market forces as well, perhaps that's the truly naive statement.[/QUOTE]Just because you are paying willingly does not mean you are not being ripped off.