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[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139213]Never go with a girl you haven't spoken to about her services. If you see a girl you like, ask to speak to her. If they say you can't, walk out of the place. If she does come to talk to you, ask about her services and whether she provides what you want. If she says she does, have her confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan so you have grounds to complain if she reneges. If she does not provide what you want, send her back and either ask for another girl and do the same procedure or leave. You will save a lot of time, money, and frustration by doing this.[/QUOTE]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?

I decided to make my first trip here to Thailand after reading this forum. I am a black man from America who own his own business and home which allows me to travel abroad three or four times a year. My first night here I start where I could be most comfortable so I went to Sugar nightclub which I liked but not the talent in the club. I went down to levels nightclub where I had women smiles and was interested in me but they were thirties type that I was not looking for. I tried approaching the younger spinners with no success so did not want to settle so called it a night. The reason I mentioned own business and home And being a black man will clarify in next post.

This my third day here in Bangkok I decided to get a massage with no expectations of extras. She was cute mid thirties just wanted to relax before I rested up to give Crazyhorse a go since a lot of members speak highly of the bar. During the massage which was ok she kept accidentally rubbing her hand up to far saying sorry so I was going to wait until near I knew she would finish the massage and ask how much. She quoted 3000 I countered 1500 plus 300 for the massage. She said yes so quick I felt like I could have got a better deal BBHJ was ok then put her in to a couple position before I released. She was nice and I would repeat with her. Staying at Fraser Suites the massage parlor is the first massage parlor to the left next to the 7'11 they wear black. I took a nap then headed to Crazyhorse at 12. There were four Asian men walking in in front of me and then he stuck his hand out and said you buy beer first. I read on here how Indians are treated at some of the bars but I have never felt that kind of disrespect in my life and I was born in 1969. There was no way I was going in there spending one dime so I caught a cab back to soi 11 to see that the Thai police closed all the bars at 1 am. That's the end to the third day. Going to Pattaya tomorrow hope my experience will be better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2139287]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?[/QUOTE]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place. I've never asked for that up front, leaving it up to the girl to decide if she wants to do BBFS, depending on how turned on I can get her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2139287]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?[/QUOTE]If you are NOT a regular of any soapy massage parlor and you don't know the girl for a long time, there is no girl who will do BBFS or CIM + SW in any soapy massage parlor of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139375]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place. I've never asked for that up front, leaving it up to the girl to decide if she wants to do BBFS, depending on how turned on I can get her.[/QUOTE]Ok, thank you and UShobbyest for your replies. I had always suspected this often stated bit about "Never be shy about telling the girls and the mamasans/papasans exactly what you want. They can't be shocked. They've heard it all before!" and further recommendations to "Always get the girl to repeat what she has agreed to in front of the mamasan/papasan so there is no confusion" was only referring to what is already standard basic fare generally listed on menus or openly discussed by virtually everyone in those venues anyway. Certainly nothing there anyone could be shocked about.

And, as I always assumed, it is not advisable for anyone to drag a mamasan/papasan or anyone else into the negotiation between you and the girl regarding BBFS.

Then again, as long as we're only talking about the very tame services that couldn't possibly shock or upset anyone and that are routinely on the agenda even if you say mothing about it beforehand, why go through the process of discussing it twice, once alone with the girl and then getting her to repeat the agreement in front of a mamasan/papasan? That seems like something you would only need to do IF you were asking for something extraordinary and off the main menu.

Why not just mention the usual things you want once when the girl and the mamasan/papasan are standing next to each other? Are the girls in these places really so often resistant to providing standard basic services you need to ask and negotiate privately and repeat it all over again in front of a witness just for ordinary services? Things like DFK and BBBJ?

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2139240]Today, as my taxi was driving me to the airport, we passed by a number of small massage saloons very close to Shangri La hotel. The girls were smiling and looked nice. Not top models, but simple nice girls. I will go to explore this area next time. The experience will be probably cheaper and nicer! I can't tell the street name unfortunately.[/QUOTE]There was only 1 place in Bkk where you could get a massage by a very pretty girl, oil massage or Thai massage for 2 hours THEN decide if you wanted to go full on sex. VIP massage in Huay Kwang area. The pretties could do 3 or 4 customers a day. Over time less girls and less customers so I guess they finally gave up. Building now a hotel.

Only places I find now you have to pay up front your 2-3,000 and takes your chances. I doubt you get a decent massage.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139375]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place.[/QUOTE]Depends on the venue. Some will suggest girls who will do that.

Airport to Nana. Pay the 75 baht in tolls. So much faster.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139513]Depends on the venue. Some will suggest girls who will do that.[/QUOTE]Now, that sounds like truly useful information. Which venues do that? And if you know them, please share the names of the mamasans/papasans who provide such useful information. Whatever tips they are getting for sharing such (accurate) information is well deserved and, if anything, probably isn't nearly enough. haha. Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=JWCool;2139347]. I took a nap then headed to Crazyhorse at 12. There were four Asian men walking in in front of me and then he stuck his hand out and said you buy beer first. I read on here how Indians are treated at some of the bars but I have never felt that kind of disrespect in my life and I was born in 1969. There was no way I was going in there spending one dime so I caught a cab back to soi 11 to see that the Thai police closed all the bars at 1 am. That's the end to the third day. Going to Pattaya tomorrow hope my experience will be better.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you went club hopping in the US playa?

Because if you did, you know well there is racial discrimination at the entry. When I go out with pretty white boys I could get in to all the clubs, with my black or Latino brothers I could get in to most of the clubs but not all. And if I go alone or with Indians, I am Indian BTW, I could get in to less than half the clubs.

Understand you are pissed off about CH policy but take your chance next time because you only live once and don't let emotions ruin your holidays.

During my visit even after we got in to gogos after paying cover charges, we got the worst seat in the club plus they kept sending the ugliest girls our way. But after repeatedly tipping and buying several round of drinks we got treated very differently. And had a great time.

Understand some won't like to hear it but better to swallow your pride and play by their rules though it's dirty.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2139562]When was the last time you went club hopping in the US playa?

Because if you did, you know well there is racial discrimination at the entry. When I go out with pretty white boys I could get in to all the clubs, with my black or Latino brothers I could get in to most of the clubs but not all. And if I go alone or with Indians, I am Indian BTW, I could get in to less than half the clubs.

Understand you are pissed off about CH policy but take your chance next time because you only live once and don't let emotions ruin your holidays.

During my visit even after we got in to gogos after paying cover charges, we got the worst seat in the club plus they kept sending the ugliest girls our way. But after repeatedly tipping and buying several round of drinks we got treated very differently. And had a great time.

Understand some won't like to hear it but better to swallow your pride and play by their rules though it's dirty.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Indians can't blame these bars for setting those policies. They can however, blame their fellow countrymen from India who have basically soiled the reputation of Indians. But if you do as LoneWolf suggested and display that you will spend some money, you will be fine. Pay the 100 baht to get in the bar and buy some drinks for yourself and the girls. You will quickly be treated with respect.

The other option is to go back to the hotel in a huff and jack off to internet porn for free.

Hit Nana Plaza last night.

First stop of course was Rainbow 4. It was quite disappointing talent wise compared to Pattaya but I still picked 3 girls in one of the groups worth of a drink. Within 1 minute all 3 of the 20 girls on stage were taken off stage and barfined. None of the ones I did not select even got a drink. I do have good taste I guess.

Twisters was next door so our obvious next stop. Pretty poor talent. I liked 1 girl #153 but she was grabbed off stage by a Japanese guy just as I spotted her. She seemed like a lot of fun but was flirting with me more than the Japanese guy. I decided to move on. She looked extremely sad I as walked out.

Butterflies. In and out. No thanks.

Billboard - 100% farang club. One of the worst lineups I have ever seen in any gogo bar for my tastes. My friend said they all looked like monkeys. Tons of girls though. Only stayed 10 minutes since my buddy has a thing that we have to finish our drinks before we leave. I downed my drink in 15 seconds and waited for him.

Rainbow 3 - only about 10 girls visible and no customers when we walked in. Didn't stay.

Bangkok Bunnies. Didn't stay.

Lollipop. My buddy was hesitant going in to a bar with some ladyboys present but I convinced him there were cute girls in here in the past. Thankfully he went in since this bar had the cutest 3 gogo girls I saw in Bangkok this week. Yes, you have to ignore the dozen or so ladyboys here but they are easy to spot in this bar. I asked my buddy if he wanted me to get drinks for 2 girls on stage we liked. He said after he comes back from the washroom. I'm not sure why but I decided to wait a minute or 2 for him to return rather than just grabbing the girls for drinks. Within that time the Japanese guy beside me grabbed the busty one I wanted. FML. She was flirting with me more than with the Japanese guy who eventually barfined her. As she left she made the Thai crying motion with her hands to me. I will go back to see her for sure. No name since I never spoke with her. She looks 19.

Talent wise this week in Bangkok gogo bars is MUCH weaker than Pattaya. So much so I shortened my Bangkok stay to return to Pattaya tonight.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139570]Indians can't blame these bars for setting those policies. They can however, blame their fellow countrymen from India who have basically soiled the reputation of Indians..[/QUOTE]The reality is that there are as many cheap Farangs as there are Indians that go to Pattaya. The only difference is the way the Farangs speak, and the perception of Indians and the color of their skin.

Telling Indians to blame other Indians seems like you are blaming the victim for the way he looks.

The discrimination is not right, but that is life.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2139686]The reality is that there are as many cheap Farangs as there are Indians that go to Pattaya. The only difference is the way the Farangs speak, and the perception of Indians and the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.

That is verified because they don't want Blacks to come in either. However, it's African blacks they don't want. When they find out a black is from the USA, they are accepted with open arms. Skin color is not the reason for the problem.

Hell, in Indonesia, they love the Bollywood movies. But ask any taxi driver in Jakarta about Indians, and they will immediately tell you the bad stories of their experiences with many Indians being bossy, rude, and cheap and will say they do not pick them up if they can avoid it.

"Telling Indians to blame other Indians seems like you are blaming the victim for the way he looks." - Sorry, but this is not a case of blaming the victim. It's a fact. There are good Indians of course (they are the victims). And they should be placing the blame on the Indians causing the problem in the first place (that number is large and they are not victims).

I have some close friends who are Indian. And of course I feel bad for them being stereotyped. But I can't say I don't understand why it happens, and they understand as well.