[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I hope you like Brazil Kimmi. She is super looking to me.[/QUOTE]
Deal. Pretty face, great body.
HB
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[QUOTE=Soap Fan]I hope you like Brazil Kimmi. She is super looking to me.[/QUOTE]
Deal. Pretty face, great body.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]And I do visit other clubs on a regular basis: Paradise, World, Oase, Royal, GT, Artemis and and and. I still like Palace.
HB[/QUOTE]
Tell us more about Royal. It's located in Maintal, right? How does the line-up compare to, say, Oase or World or Palace in terms of quality and quantity? Any known girls fromt he Hessen 3 work there now? Is it worth talking about the Hessen 4 now, or at least Hessen 3.5? Just wondering...
Ortos
[QUOTE=Toscana]BC,
the trick may be to go early shift. My last experience of that was positive, very different atmosphere, you could pick your girls without too much stress. We should meet up.[/QUOTE]
Toscana,
Thank you for the offer, that is really thoughtful, but I will decline.
Palace is off the trip schedule for me. I do have Palace pencilled in for future visits but these are due to meet ups with regular travel companions rather than of my own volition. As such on these pre-planned days I may end up taking a free day and seeing the city or ducking out altogether.
I have been to Palace on early shift in 2008 and they were fine but since my visits in the latter part of 2008 and into 2009 I have been put off Palace. In the main it has been the propaganda read on this forum but also from my experiences. I also feel bad enticing a good friend to come visit Palace for his debut experience at Palace and he came away cursing the place not wanting to ever return.
Also the last two visits to Palace I was struggling to find girls with the look that I like. Angelina (Czech) and Gina (Czech) are good lookers but their services leave a lot more to be desired. Angelina does not kiss or allow muschi licking but does most other services as there are fees involved. Gina does kiss and allow muschi licking but generally only if you upgrade to the €100 for a half hour session. Apart from that I have few girls that I can recall that float my boat. Even Yulia (Ukraine/Romania) was not to be seen. I did spot Irina (Russia) who does a spectacular blow job but we kept missing each other but even then she is not quite my type.
I took Ruby (Hungary) in the kino as Vito Corleone says but I did that as I was caved with the constant attention to session from her and did her in the kino. Half way through the session I knew that I was not going to finish but kept going to see if I could eventually get there. I then did the "stage fright" excuse to stop the session and declined to go to the room as offered by Ruby. There was a cohort of Italiani laughing and giggling like teenagers watching me fuck Ruby as well as a trio of Deutsch looking sombrely at my performance probably marking me out of 10 and a troupe of Japanese looking bewildered at someone brazenly baring his arse to the world whilst fucking in the kino. Yes, there was a bit of stage fright involved but until then I was doing fine.
Further, what really killed it was that Ruby was doing a fine BBBJ and I was relaxed enough to splatter my baby batter in her mouth when she stops a few sucks away from me coming and jumps up to go collect her towel from another part of the kino.
My other session was with Denisa (Romania) a skinny blond girl who hassled me constantly for a session really working her act and promising me the time of my life and the best service in the Palace house. In the room, Denisa gave pretty indifferent service, getting straight down to business and then asked if I was going to come after 11 minutes. The session ended at the 15 minutes mark with her not showing any inspiration to continue.
Full Palace trip report to come.
Similar experiences were also encountered at World with Mara (Romania) and Sabrina (Romania). Full World report to come.
My experiences at Golden Time and Oase were excellent with good service and memorable experiences. Golden Time and Oase trip reports to come.
Maybe I do not go to Palace or World enough to get the Stammgast service but then I do not see the point of spreading my limited resources to devote to creating that Stammgast status at Palace and World when those scarce resources seem to do fine enough in Oase and Golden Time. There is a financial krise going on and as consumers we have a choice on where we spend our descretionary currency. I may as well go where I can get the better bang for the buck for me in my opinion. YMMV.
I do not discourage anyone else from going to Palace but I have once again experienced a less than salubrious visit. At least I went and visited. Many others just read this forum or thread and decide not to go.
[QUOTE=Macphisto]I'm a FKK newbie who wanted to make my first visit this summer, but after reading some of the recent reports (of CBJ, average looking girls, etc.) I don't think it's worth making an eight hour flight over. Hopefully things will change for the better.[/QUOTE]
Macphisto,
Please, do make your trip to Germany and spend your hard earned currency on Palace girls. If not then at least get over to Oase or World although I would tend towards Oase for the general overall better service that I have experienced.
I just did not find very much appealing to me at Palace. I am picky. I like optifucks that give crap service. At Palace I did not really see much I liked in the optifuck department and the ones I did like, I knew really gave deplorable service. The women were beautiful but did not float my boat. It felt a more business like environment there and the girls gave off that vibe.
Please note the overriding rider to all this is that this in my experience and in my opinion. Others like Vito Corleone, Hessen Bub, Ortos and Ekliges Lauern get the time of their lives at Palace. I just have not got that same loving feeling. Maybe you will experience the best time of your life. You will never know unless you actually make the trip.
Go to Germany and visit Palace and please do re-count your story on this forum and give us your opinion whether postive, negative or indifferent.
[QUOTE=Macphisto]I'm a FKK newbie who wanted to make my first visit this summer, but after reading some of the recent reports (of CBJ, average looking girls, etc.) I don't think it's worth making an eight hour flight over. Hopefully things will change for the better.[/QUOTE]
Well, some of the mongers that have been doing the Germany FKK/Sauna scene for quite a while and have become hypercritical. Let me state that the worst P4P experience I have had in a German FKK or Sauna has exceeded the best P4P I have had in the US. I've been rather critical of the looks/age of the Bernds ladies. Let me be perfectly clear. I would rather spend a day at Bernds than indulge in any P4P options in the US. So by all means, get on a plane and see for yourself.
As far as CBJ, I have had exactly one woman in an FKK/Sauna setting in Germany try to do a CBJ on me in the last 5 years. I explained to her that that was a deal breaker for me and she went ahead with the BBBJ.
As far as average looking women goes, I give you my personal guarantee that you will feel like a kid in a candy store when you walk into any of the Hessen big 3. I would ask you, if you had to make a trade off between an average looking girl who gives great service and an absolutely stunning girl who gives average service, which would you choose. There are tradeoff and depending on preferences, some clubs may work better than other clubs for you. If you are honest about what is more important to you, the Germany FKK/Sauna scene is as close to risk free as it comes.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]... Let me state that [U]the worst P4P experience I have had in a German FKK or Sauna has exceeded the best P4P I have had in the US[/U]. I've been rather critical of the looks/age of the Bernds ladies. Let me be perfectly clear. I would rather spend a day at Bernds than indulge in any P4P options in the US. So by all means, [U]get on a plane and see for yourself[/U].
As far as average looking women goes, I give you my personal guarantee that [U]you will feel like a kid in a candy store when you walk into any of the Hessen big 3[/U]. I would ask you, if you had to make a trade off between an average looking girl who gives great service and an absolutely stunning girl who gives average service, which would you choose. There are tradeoff and depending on preferences, some clubs may work better than other clubs for you. If you are honest about what is more important to you, the Germany FKK/Sauna scene is as close to risk free as it comes.[/QUOTE]
Here, Here, I heartily agree. I have only one trip under my belt, but I know the feeling of which you speak: I imagine the worst experience with the worst woman at either Palace or Oase is still 10x better than the best experience I could possible have here in N.A.! Sometimes it upsets me to see the members of this board arguing amongst themselves, like spoiled little boys trying to decide who's golden pony is shinier, while I sit on the sidelines with NO pony. If they had my options and I had their's.... And I felt like a kid in a candystore at both Oase and Palace. Watching the ladies pose and strut at Palace and lounge around Oase's garden...it get's my juices going just thinking about it. I know of no experience in N.A. that even comes close.
[QUOTE=Ortos]Tell us more about Royal. It's located in Maintal, right? How does the line-up compare to, say, Oase or World or Palace in terms of quality and quantity? Any known girls fromt he Hessen 3 work there now? Is it worth talking about the Hessen 4 now, or at least Hessen 3.5? Just wondering...
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Maintal, correct. In German boards is referred to as "McRoyal". That fits quite well: If Palace, Oase or World are a fine dining restaurant, then Royal is a fast food location. Hardware is very basic, rather small, nothing I would like to spend moret than 2 or 3 hours at. I never did. Come, fuck, go or maybe drive-by and fuck.
Entrance is 15 EUR plus one beverage, prices are moderate, around 3 EUR for a drink. There's between 10 and 20 girls, some of them have been at the Hessen three already (Ionella e.g. and others).
So - try it out, if you have a day with only 2 or 3 hours to spend.
HB
I forgot: [url]www.fkk-royal.de[/url]
And some videos:
[url]http://preview.ladies.de/video/index.php?videoid=251640[/url]
[url]http://preview.ladies.de/video/index.php?videoid=251417[/url]
[url]http://preview.ladies.de/video/index.php?videoid=251417[/url]
HB
[QUOTE=Myrmidon]Here, Here, I heartily agree. I have only one trip under my belt, but I know the feeling of which you speak: I imagine the worst experience with the worst woman at either Palace or Oase is still 10x better than the best experience I could possible have here in N.A.! Sometimes it upsets me to see the members of this board arguing amongst themselves, like spoiled little boys trying to decide who's golden pony is shinier, while I sit on the sidelines with NO pony. If they had my options and I had their's.... And I felt like a kid in a candystore at both Oase and Palace. Watching the ladies pose and strut at Palace and lounge around Oase's garden...it get's my juices going just thinking about it. I know of no experience in N.A. that even comes close.[/QUOTE]
Hey Myrmidon,
True enough. I'll grant you that I would never expect, nor would I look for a similar p4p experience in the US on the level of what one finds in the FKKs.
However I can promise you that if you continue to make journeys across the pond to partake of Germany's Käufliche Liebe, then you too will find that your standards and expectations will alter. For better or for worse, this has happened to myself and several others I know who engage in this hobby.
These generally are not "spoiled little boys" who are arguing their points or stating their opinions. They are people who have their ideas and expectations and with all due respect, it is a bit too dismissive to characterize them in such a fashion.
Personally I don't interpret most of the critiques on this board as "hypercritical." However in contrast to my buddy Ortos, I could live without some of the snippyness. Sometimes it's entertaining; often it's just plain tired.
Most Gents on this board take the time and effort to post a positive or negative critique for a good reason, and though your experiences and perceptions may not be in accord with what is stated (which is perfectly fair) those opposing views may have some validity somewhere down the road.
Have said all that, I couldn't agree more that with what has been said regarding the false perception about the FKK scene that a typical "newbie" could get from reading many of these reports. There's no need to dismiss this particular paid-sex "genre" just because several players here police its standards.
In my line of work I tend to be rather critical of the development of a product and the product itself. This does not mean that the end result is worthless or even unsatisfactory. There is really no difference when all these guys are constantly assaying their hobby.
Enjoy,
Dedalus
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Myrmidon,
True enough. I'll grant you that I would never expect, nor would I look for a similar p4p experience in the US on the level of what one finds in the FKKs.
However I can promise you that if you continue to make journeys across the pond to partake of Germany's Käufliche Liebe, then you too will find that your standards and expectations will alter. For better or for worse, this has happened to myself and several others I know who engage in this hobby.
These generally are not "spoiled little boys" who are arguing their points or stating their opinions. They are people who have their ideas and expectations and with all due respect, it is a bit too dismissive to characterize them in such a fashion.
Personally I don't interpret most of the critiques on this board as "hypercritical." However in contrast to my buddy Ortos, I could live without some of the snippyness. Sometimes it's entertaining; often it's just plain tired.
Most Gents on this board take the time and effort to post a positive or negative critique for a good reason, and though your experiences and perceptions may not be in accord with what is stated (which is perfectly fair) those opposing views may have some validity somewhere down the road.
Have said all that, I couldn't agree more that with what has been said regarding the false perception about the FKK scene that a typical "newbie" could get from reading many of these reports. There's no need to dismiss this particular paid-sex "genre" just because several players here police its standards.
In my line of work I tend to be rather critical of the development of a product and the product itself. This does not mean that the end result is worthless or even unsatisfactory. There is really no difference when all these guys are constantly assaying their hobby.
Enjoy,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
You're quite correct, I spoke hastily. When you have something that is as good as the FKK's it is only natural to wish to compare and 'rank' them but we are all individuals and therefore it is an individual taste thing, not to mention the YMMV thing is still in play with the ladies. For these two reasons there will never be total agreement, nor should there. That is what keeps us sharp and interested. Thank you for your comments. Just sign me:
Jealous and Sitting on the outside Lookin' in.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Maintal, correct. In German boards is referred to as "McRoyal".
There's between 10 and 20 girls, some of them have been at the Hessen three already (Ionella e.g. and others).
HB[/QUOTE]
Hey HB,
Is the "Ionella" the German girl "Onella" that used to work in Oase 3- 4 years ago? I could see myself spending a couple hours with her alone ... ;-)
[QUOTE=Myrmidon]You're quite correct, I spoke hastily. When you have something that is as good as the FKK's it is only natural to wish to compare and 'rank' them but we are all individuals and therefore it is an individual taste thing, not to mention the YMMV thing is still in play with the ladies. For these two reasons there will never be total agreement, nor should there. That is what keeps us sharp and interested. Thank you for your comments. Just sign me:
Jealous and Sitting on the outside Lookin' in.[/QUOTE]
Hey Man,
I understand. Back in my youth I figured nothing would ever compare to my first Florida Spring Break experience. Walking into my first FKK club way back when (Dolce Vita) was like getting hit upside the head with a bag of boulders.
Today, on many levels walking into places like Palace, Oase, World, GT, LR etc. make that experience pale by comparison. But that first Dolce Vita and first Babylon experience will always be kinda special. BTW, Babylon back in the day could hold court head to head with any club on the map nowadays.
Palace has stirred up a lot of lively discussion and disagreement the past few years. I haven't been there since February so my take may not be as current as some. I would venture a guess that apart from Hessen Bub, I might have walked through its doors more than other members of this board since it opened.
While I have my problems with the place, I've never called for a boycott and there's no reason not to visit the place and make up one's own mind. There is a handful of great providers who are also top-notch in terms of looks. a couple of my favorite Top-Acts in the biz ply their trade at Palace. I do have my issues with the overall service attitude at Palace, but that is just my take. Other well meaning and no less sincere folks on this board may (and have) disagree.
Cheers,
Dedalus
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Man,
I understand. Back in my youth I figured nothing would ever compare to my first Florida Spring Break experience. Walking into my first FKK club way back when (Dolce Vita) was like getting hit upside the head with a bag of boulders.
Today, on many levels walking into places like Palace, Oase, World, GT, LR etc. make that experience pale by comparison. But that first Dolce Vita and first Babylon experience will always be kinda special. BTW, Babylon back in the day could hold court head to head with any club on the map nowadays.
Palace has stirred up a lot of lively discussion and disagreement the past few years. I haven't been there since February so my take may not be as current as some. I would venture a guess that apart from Hessen Bub, I might have walked through its doors more than other members of this board since it opened.
While I have my problems with the place, I've never called for a boycott and there's no reason not to visit the place and make up one's own mind. There is a handful of great providers who are also top-notch in terms of looks. a couple of my favorite Top-Acts in the biz ply their trade at Palace. I do have my issues with the overall service attitude at Palace, but that is just my take. Other well meaning and no less sincere folks on this board may (and have) disagree.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
When I used the word "hypercritical", was referring to myself as well as other senior members.
At the risk of being pretentious, I think we tend to discuss FKKs and women a little like wine afficiandos. While the subtle and not so subtle differences are subject to disagreement, to the uninitiated, it probably doesn't matter as they really should be trying different vintages to see what they like and gain experience.
BTW, I'm kind of flattered to be referred to as Eugene O'Neill on amphetimines.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Deal. Pretty face, great body.
HB[/QUOTE]
& a really long tongue!
[QUOTE=Dedalus]
There is a handful of great providers who are also top-notch in terms of looks. a couple of my favorite Top-Acts in the biz ply their trade at Palace. I do have my issues with the overall service attitude at Palace, but that is just my take. Other well meaning and no less sincere folks on this board may (and have) disagree.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Wassup Consiglieri,
I visited Palace 5 times last trip & I could not find Maria. I was hoping to rekindle the fire with her again. Daniella was there looking hot & constantly busy.
I have about 5-6 ATF's, but I am not in denial of the notorious overall service attitude & sharks @ Palace. I tried 2 new girls & both were bad sessions. I forgot their names, but both were super hot babes with smokin bods. Hungarian & Romanian. They mentioned the typical 50E suck & fuck only & etc. I knew the sessions were going to be crap, but I just had to do the good old in & out. Both stopped @ 20 minutes & told me I had to pay more to continue or CIM. I told both I would CIM. @ 28 minutes I jumped out of bed, grabbed my robe & out of the room. Both demanded 100E because they had to work hard, but I stood my ground. I ended up getting a really good 8 minute bj from both.
I usually stick to my regulars & Palace can be a bit of a hustle. I will occasionally make a deal with the devil & spend 50E on a crappy session with a stunning woman with a great bod.