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[QUOTE=Tommy Boy]Tony T,

What you say is true all they do is care about the money. On my recent visit I found out that these Viets and Thais only come here for weeks at a time and have made their way around the high paying Asian Circuit (i.e. Singapore, Macau, etc.); so no time for a BF. I don't think any place in the world pays them as much as they make in Hong Kong. As for the the damn Colombians, it is IMHO never to try them or take them home with you. After what I experienced with those shady characters, you are way better off going to their home turf to find better quality and possibly a Non-pro GF on their home field. As for the prices, you paid $1200 LT or ST? I will definitely keep these prices in mind. As for the rest of the board we really need to drive the prices down here. There is no way these girls should be making more than their counterparts just because of location. With today's rate $1000 HK = $130 US. I am not "hating," on these women per se, but I would rather spend the difference that they get on something else. Maybe put it in a savings account for my rainy day fund. Who knows? This is just my opinion. Thanks for the info Tony T.

TB[/QUOTE]


I couldn't agree with you more. While I have an affinity for the So. Amer girls, as I have said before, the ones in HK would starve in the biz in Europe or on their home turf.....problem being they aren't there and if you want a "Western Girl" they are effectively your only choice. I, too have sworn off them because of attitude and I just get an uneasy feeling when I am dealing with them. At this point I make some small talk in Spanish just to keep in practice and move on.
I have had mixed results with the Viets. Some give good if uninspired service, others just go thru the motions, but I haven't really felt a "connection" with any of them other than the physical attraction.
I haven't had much experience with the Thai girls in W.C.
The pricing thing is a difficult one to overcome. If they can get three guys a week at 1200-1400 it is as good as 4 at 1000..( yeah I know, duh.....) so for them to hold out for the bigger payday makes sense as long as it pays off in the end. I suspect that as the night wears on the willingness to deal grows, but maybe not. It may be they just figure they will make it up the next night. Although with only 14 days, you would think they want to maximize every opportunity.
I have really slowed down my visits to HK, because by the time you add drinks and hotel rates have gone up, higher prices for the girls and to be honest I just feel the quality isn't as good in the last year or so. Maybe I am just getting jaded, but it seems since they started making it tough on the fils gals some of the fun has gone from the chase.
Maybe it time to make another recon mission to Wanchai and see what the current status is......

Thanks to all of you who helped me with your PMs. Visiting HK from the mainland for business, I stayed in an inexpensive Kowloon/Jordan hotel. Had little do do most of the time so I spent quite a bit of time exploring 141, 161, 148 sites and their girls. This is what I found.
First, a lot of girls dont advertise on the websites. If you go to a building like Ng Po building in Mongkok or the Foremost building in Jordan and wander the halls and knock on doors, you will find about half of the girls dont have ads on line. Prices are about the same as the ones that do and beauty varies in about the same way. I saw three girls, two from the websites, Joey of Jordan and Bobo of Mongkok and Wan in Jordan (Foremost building 6th floor) who does not advertise.

Joey is about 40 years old. She is in Jordan at 63 Pilkem, first floor to the right. Her name is on the door. She looks about 33 but she admits to being 40. She is Thai and speaks English well. She does not speak Pu Tong Hua. I visited her because I was interested in her anal services which I have not enjoyed for quite a while. She is not attractive, about a 3-4/10. She has a nice body for her age. She likes to give good service and seems to enjoy everything even anal. Her pussy is a bit wide but her ass is tight. She likes to suck and receive cum in her mouth. However, her enthusiasm is not the greatest.

I considered taking her to my room for a second session but have not done so yet.

Bobo in Mongkok can be found on the websites. I believe her street is Sai Choi or something like that. She is also 42 but looks 35. Her tits sag. Her website says she offers anal but we did not partake in that activity. She speaks Pu Tong Hua and very little English. She is from Beijing. She is a barrel of fun with a great sense of humor. She really likes to suck cock. I cant believe how much she likes it. She does not particularly like DATY or fucking, especially the former. We were in mish when I came and she cried out humorously "Oh My God" in English. Perhaps I should have been mad but I wasnt and laughed for a long time. After I left, she called my cell to ask me out for dinner but I was busy. I recommend her if you dont mind her sense of humor when you are coming.

Wan is 22. I was looking for another girl down the hall in the Foremost Building on Jordan Street but the other girl was busy so I just randomly knocked on doors until a cute face appeared. It was Wan. She is very pretty, about 9/10 but also too young for me. Not much true enthusiasm, just a lot of fake moaning. Her pussy is tight as one would expect with a young Chinese.

All girls were 350-500. Wan was the most expensive. None were great but I enjoyed my time with all.

[QUOTE=Tommyly]Name: Apple
age: 22 yo
Face: 4/5
Body Shape: 4/5
Skill: 2.5/5
Service: 2/5
Height : 5'4"
Size : 34.5C-25-34.5
Race : China (Cantonese, Mandarin)

Details:
Apple told me she is 22yo, she can't speak english.
She has nice C cup titties, very good looking body, cute face and slim waist.

When I arrived, no shower, we started directly on the bed with licking balls and cover BJ. followed with missionary and doggy.
Shower at the end.

Since we ended too quickly, I asked her for a massage but she don't do massage.
I insisted to continu a little bit more with BJ but she asked me to pay and leave or she would call someone.
No choice, I paid 350hkd and leave. I was furious because it was too fast and the service was poor. no french kiss, no DATY, no finger, no photo ...

I believe I was not lucky this time.

Retry: never[/QUOTE]You didn't mention how short the duration is, but its the normal practise for 141. Once you come, after the shower, the deal is finished. What you received is pretty typical so dont think you are not too lucky.

[QUOTE=Tommyly]Name: Apple
age: 22 yo
Face: 4/5
Body Shape: 4/5
Skill: 2.5/5
Service: 2/5
Height : 5'4"
Size : 34.5C-25-34.5
Race : China (Cantonese, Mandarin)

Details:
Apple told me she is 22yo, she can't speak english.
She has nice C cup titties, very good looking body, cute face and slim waist.

When I arrived, no shower, we started directly on the bed with licking balls and cover BJ. followed with missionary and doggy.
Shower at the end.

Since we ended too quickly, I asked her for a massage but she don't do massage.
I insisted to continu a little bit more with BJ but she asked me to pay and leave or she would call someone.
No choice, I paid 350hkd and leave. I was furious because it was too fast and the service was poor. no french kiss, no DATY, no finger, no photo ...

I believe I was not lucky this time.

Retry: never[/QUOTE]
Pete Yim is right, the service you received is actually fairly typical. And many 141 girls will not do massage, don't take it personally.

Another give-away is the "Service" rating of 2 out of 5 and the "Skill" rating of 2.5 out of 5 that you found on the 141 site - it's interesting that the 141 site is fairly candid about these items (as opposed to some US sites where every girl would be rated as 5 out of 5 no matter what).

Now in terms of 141 girls there's a big difference. the 141 girls in apartments are usually older, but they do give better service and don't watch the clock as closely (although they still watch the clock). They also give more BJ and servicing.

HOwever, the hotel 141 girls, which I assume you got, are younger and prettier. So they can get away with more stuff than an apartment 141 as they know they are in higher demand. Most of the 141 girls do like 7-8 customer a day and need to maintain that quota as they have to pay their pimps and also want to squeeze as many customers as they can in their 2 week visa stay in HK.

So it's a trade off in the end. beauty versus service.


AsnDragon

[QUOTE=Tommyly]Name: Apple
age: 22 yo
Face: 4/5
Body Shape: 4/5
Skill: 2.5/5
Service: 2/5
Height : 5'4"
Size : 34.5C-25-34.5
Race : China (Cantonese, Mandarin)

Details:
Apple told me she is 22yo, she can't speak english.
She has nice C cup titties, very good looking body, cute face and slim waist.

When I arrived, no shower, we started directly on the bed with licking balls and cover BJ. followed with missionary and doggy.
Shower at the end.

Since we ended too quickly, I asked her for a massage but she don't do massage.
I insisted to continu a little bit more with BJ but she asked me to pay and leave or she would call someone.
No choice, I paid 350hkd and leave. I was furious because it was too fast and the service was poor. no french kiss, no DATY, no finger, no photo ...

I believe I was not lucky this time.

Retry: never[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsnDragon]Now in terms of 141 girls there's a big difference. the 141 girls in apartments are usually older, but they do give better service and don't watch the clock as closely (although they still watch the clock). They also give more BJ and servicing.

HOwever, the hotel 141 girls, which I assume you got, are younger and prettier. So they can get away with more stuff than an apartment 141 as they know they are in higher demand. Most of the 141 girls do like 7-8 customer a day and need to maintain that quota as they have to pay their pimps and also want to squeeze as many customers as they can in their 2 week visa stay in HK.

So it's a trade off in the end. beauty versus service.

AsnDragon[/QUOTE]I like the term from AsnDragon : "beauty versus service", I always prefer the latter.

[QUOTE=AsnDragon]Now in terms of 141 girls there's a big difference. the 141 girls in apartments are usually older, but they do give better service and don't watch the clock as closely (although they still watch the clock). They also give more BJ and servicing.

HOwever, the hotel 141 girls, which I assume you got, are younger and prettier. So they can get away with more stuff than an apartment 141 as they know they are in higher demand. Most of the 141 girls do like 7-8 customer a day and need to maintain that quota as they have to pay their pimps and also want to squeeze as many customers as they can in their 2 week visa stay in HK.

So it's a trade off in the end. beauty versus service.

AsnDragon[/QUOTE]He definately didn't do a hotel girl.

Not for the $350 he paid !

On 141 descriptions, what does DUP mean?

Well as I've always said..different strokes for different folks. But honestly, beauty matters to me a whole lot though. Service can be had in many places. But beauty is hard to come by. You can train to have good service, but it's "usually" harder to become prettier. It's whole rarity factor that drives me to choose the pretty ones...not always getting the best service...but knowing how rare it is to find a truly beautiful girl i always choose the beauty over service.

Which...sometimes gets me into trouble and i sometimes end up with a bad experience. . . .


AsnDragon


[QUOTE=Pete Yim]I like the term from AsnDragon : "beauty versus service", I always prefer the latter.[/QUOTE]

Here is one more guy weighing in on the side of service over beauty. I can remember stunners whose service was so poor that I left feeling cheated and wishing I had never made the call. But I cannot remember a really enthusiastic and uninhibited lady who is still not worth a dream or two even though she may have been quite unattractive.

Case in point: Yeung Ra Ra, yesterday's 141 discovery in Mongkok, Flat F-1, 16/F, Kingland Apartments, 737-741C Nathan Road.

Ra Ra does not speak English or Mandarin very well, only Canonese. On the beauty scale 1-10, she is about a 6, higher than Joey whom I reported on two days ago but lower than many 141 girls I have seen in Hong Kong. She is in her late 30s and has been in this business for some time. She greets with a smile and a kiss and her service is professional and superb. She tries so hard to please so you will come back. She happily offers all three orifices and appears to derive enjoyment from entry of butt, vagina and mouth but likes vaginal sex best. She is the first girl I have ever had anal sex with with her sitting on me cowgirl style facing me. She sucks without a cover like a demon . Her pussy is tighter than I expected and, last but not least, she is lactating which I found a special surprise treat. I asked her how she keeps the milk flowing. She said she does it by encouraging men to suck and by emptying her breasts into her bath every night so they don't dry up. Now that is devotion to service. She charges the standard 350 and offers doubles with a friend. She also will go to your room if it is not too far from her place.

She is not very beautiful by standard criteria but I will get excited and hard every time I think about her for a long time. If anyone knows a prettier girl who offers this kind of service, please let me know.

[QUOTE=AsnDragon]Well as I've always said..different strokes for different folks. But honestly, beauty matters to me a whole lot though. Service can be had in many places. But beauty is hard to come by. You can train to have good service, but it's "usually" harder to become prettier. It's whole rarity factor that drives me to choose the pretty ones...not always getting the best service...but knowing how rare it is to find a truly beautiful girl i always choose the beauty over service.

Which...sometimes gets me into trouble and i sometimes end up with a bad experience. . . .


AsnDragon[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Intransit]On 141 descriptions, what does DUP mean?[/QUOTE]DUP = massage

[QUOTE=AsnDragon]But honestly, beauty matters to me a whole lot though. Service can be had in many places. But beauty is hard to come by. [/QUOTE]
The art of the game is finding attractive girls that will give you the GFE.

For me personally, I can't really enjoy myself if the girl is not attractive, no matter how high the level of service. OK, I admit I can get pleasure from a great blow job given by a 5*/10* girl, but I won't be able to truly get into shagging with her. A girl of less quality that 5* is a turn off for me and I avoid these type of girls like the plague.

The risk is that the hot looking girls will not perform as well as they look. That is where experience and level headed analysis come in. Select your girl carefully. Make sure she gives you eye contact, smiles a lot, and is physical and playful with you before you barfine her. Talk to her; make sure she understands what you want and make sure you understand what she is willing to do. I have gotten pretty good at picking the right girls. My good times to bad times ratio is very high. A player will always be disappointed once in a while, but when a girl looks great and gives you her passion it is worth it IMHO.

[QUOTE=Twiceaweek]DUP = massage[/QUOTE]

Yes, massage.

The Cantonese is "dup guat", which translates as "hit bones".

Cheers.

I can get my rocks off on a hot looking girl even if she is somewhat of a dead fish. Harder for me personally with an ugly girl no matter how good her service is. One of the reasons I prefer to source girls in bars is because it gives me the opportunity to look around, see what she's like, watch her for a while, then buy a drink and talk to her. This usually ensures I get good looking and good service. Not fool proof, I've been wrong before and will be wrong again... but it works for me most of the time.

[QUOTE=Lowtech]Dear fellow mongers,

Some time since I last reported.

Have had some interesting activities around Beijing and Ningbo, but HK always seems the best.

A few weeks ago booked Annie 141 girl TST Hotel visit. Usual Overnight rate is Hourly rate x 3. 600 = 1800 700 = 2100 etc.

The Papasan usually tries to get an extra 100 out of you for taxis, resist and they won't push the point.

Arrived 11pm (negotiated down from 12:00) friendly not quite GFE but good BBBJ CIM followed by small talk, backrub and round 2, which lasted a good long time, all positions, until popped. Slept until 7 am and nothing beats the morning romp.

Now some guys will say, you could have had the same 2 pops

For 1 hour rate without the breakfast in bed. True, but the unpressured knowledge of LT is worth bucks.

In the last few days a few 500 HKD girls have been on the TST hotel listing but now have disappeared. Some look fit.

I am returning to HK tomorrow and will try to get a YS walkup girl to leave LT with me. HAs anyone tried this?

Fellow mongers, anyone tried a FFM threesome, either walkup or 141 Hotel booking? Would like to hear some experiences.

Also would appreciate going rates for Hari's Bar WG's and locals.

About time we dropped the cellphone discussions and revert to what the forum was setup for.[/QUOTE]I'd also be interested in hearing about 3some experiences as not found any info about who offers it in HK?