Sosua Reports

Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.

So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.

Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.

[QUOTE=ElTiburon;1918775]Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.

So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.

Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.[/QUOTE]August is the slowest season.

The good news is it should be less crowded, and you might get cheaper and better service.

[QUOTE=ElTiburon;1918775]Sosua seems a lot less active than the time I visited last year. The bars are closing early and the street activity is down. A hear a lot of police action going on here.

So I thought I will head to PP hotel and plan to wife up with someone for the week. I liked the chica who works as waitress in the sports bar opposite the Classico. She goes by the name Isabel. Anyone have any experience with her? Is she available P4P? Any good? Don't want to waste my whole week with someone lousy, if she agrees.

Hope Sosua recovers soon to its former glory. I travel from West coast and it is farther and expensive for me to get to DR. Trying to make sure the trip is not wasted, as in, it is below the high expectations that Sosua set last year, which was my first time here.[/QUOTE]I've always heard that girls that work in the sports bar are game, just order a drink and talk to her and find out yourself. But def take a test drive before you commit to wifing up. Plus if she is working at the bar most likely she won't be able to leave her job to stay with you for a few days.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1918949]I've always heard that girls that work in the sports bar are game, just order a drink and talk to her and find out yourself. But def take a test drive before you commit to wifing up. Plus if she is working at the bar most likely she won't be able to leave her job to stay with you for a few days.[/QUOTE]"Wifing up" is something that happens to you (for better or worse, hopefully for better) after a long and good experience with one chica.

It would be hard to find a satisfactory wifing up experience on a one week vacation Especially in Sosua. Even a GF experience can be a challenge, so I'm told.

But good luck anyway!

We arrived in sosua today. Besides Rumba being closed everything seemed normal. There are a lot new Chica on the stroll. A lot of these chicas are starting their price with 3000. I give them the Mr. E laugh. When they see you react that way they quickly try to renegotiate. Readjusting to this scene is not hard. Big Red was telling me during the week the girls still ask for 3000 pesos. Even though negotiation is easy 80% of them started with that bid. There are no shortage of women here police or not. You can't solve prostitution until you solve the job solution. These chicas have to eat. I just had a session with a 35 year-old pro. I love it when a chica is skilled in the bedroom and wants to prove it. She gave me a foot massage. Locked her legs around mine thrusting her pelvis on me and yelled "fuck this pussy repeatedly". Well I did requested it. It was fun. 2000 pesos sin condom. I definitely will repeat with her again but not tonight. I have a bunch of repeat blowing up my phone. I'm only here for one night I'll catch you next month.

Late last night City officials walk down the street with the police. Never seen that happen before. Adjustments will have to be made. I never was really a big Rumba fan anyway.

Classico last night wasn't so packed. A lot more guys on the Dance Floor. Still have enough selections for everyone. I fell in there about 1:15 am. It was at its height. 20 minutes later and you had all the space you need. I hung out on the balcony and what the girls at the last minute coming up. Trying to catch with a can at the last minute. A nice selection always scroll through.

[QUOTE] There are no shortage of women here police or not. You can't solve prostitution until you solve the job solution. These chicas have to eat. I just had a session with a 35 year-old pro. I love it when a chica is skilled in the bedroom and wants to prove it. Locked her legs around mine thrusting her pelvis on me and yelled "fuck this pussy repeatedly". Well I did requested it. It was fun. 2000 pesos sin condom. [/QUOTE]Sounds like she was trying to get pregnant. I think I would pay the extra 100 pesos for the condom. I know it is a bit of extra expense, but paying child support for the next 18 years might be costly too. I hope she was on the pill and it wasn't mentioned.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1918957]"Wifing up" is something that happens to you (for better or worse, hopefully for better) after a long and good experience with one chica.

It would be hard to find a satisfactory wifing up experience on a one week vacation Especially in Sosua. Even a GF experience can be a challenge, so I'm told.

But good luck anyway![/QUOTE]It rather depends on whether the two of you enjoy each other's company, and no one on this board can determine that.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1919248]Late last night City officials walk down the street with the police. Never seen that happen before. Adjustments will have to be made. I never was really a big Rumba fan anyway.

Classico last night wasn't so packed. A lot more guys on the Dance Floor. Still have enough selections for everyone. I fell in there about 1:15 am. It was at its height. 20 minutes later and you had all the space you need. I hung out on the balcony and what the girls at the last minute coming up. Trying to catch with a can at the last minute. A nice selection always scroll through.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the "Boot on the Ground" reports. ".

OK, everyone else can continue your pissy argumentative posts.

Sounds like she was trying to get pregnant. I think I would pay the extra 100 pesos for the condom. I know it is a bit of extra expense, but paying child support for the next 18 years might be costly too. I hope she was on the pill and it wasn't mentioned.

Sorry I meant bbb. I am not hitting these hoes raw.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1919380]It rather depends on whether the two of you enjoy each other's company, and no one on this board can determine that.[/QUOTE]We can only report what works for us.

(And try to share that information).

I have friend on the ground who gave me a call yesterday. He says Classicos is open until 12 everyday until the weekend. He says there is active construction on the streets and rumurs of some clubs opening. He says he is having a good time. My friend is vet so his opinion carries weight.

I have cut through sousa last couple of days taking my chica to a resturant she likes on the waterfront. It is hard for me to tell quality but just my opinion way down. On the back streets I saw what look like a couple of cuties the road has not been blocked off when I have come. Have not been in classico I might drive through later today. I went to kaviar disco in puerto plata Saturday it was packed and saw a lot of dimes.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1920657]I have friend on the ground who gave me a call yesterday. He says Classicos is open until 12 everyday until the weekend. He says there is active construction on the streets and rumurs of some clubs opening. He says he is having a good time. My friend is vet so his opinion carries weight.[/QUOTE]I got a couple friends living there now and they say its getting better each day. Classicos is packed every night and more girls walking the streets. A couple chicas I have on snapchat never left durning the start of the crackdown and were posting videos everyday at classico or bourbon st, most of the girls I have on snap are back in sosua. Can't stop people from eating.

Personal anecdote:

I stopped by Bourbon Street on my way home from Boca Chica to have lunch with some friends and I saw something most of us have seen in Sosua. I know I am stating the obvious but it never ceases to amaze me how chicas can literally change from Jekyl to Hyde from daylight to nightfall.

I saw a the'Latins crush from days gone by. She has the look I like along with her flaca body. She also has a strut that makes her stand out. I smashed a while ago and later she un-friended me on Facebook saying she had a boyfriend after which I saw her in Classicos one night and I asked her about seeing her on a regular basis, she said I wasn't her type. Maybe it was my cologne. Or lack of it. LOL!

I have seen her several times and she walks up to me flirting with me obviously looking for work but I am thinking "but I am not your type?" I've blown her off since then. What I found interesting is how different she looked in the sunlight she had blemishes on her face that made her look totally different during the day than at night. Even her body looks different, I don't know if she has lost weight but the difference between night and day was startling.

It's not just her but seeing other chicas wear their hair up with tubis during the day but they let it all hang out is and seeing them wear Jordans or sandals during the day and heels at night is interesting.

Construction on Pedro Clisante:

The side walk on the south side of Pedro Clisante from Rumbas to old the Latins is currently under construction. Around the corner on Dr Rosen at the Terra Linda they are renovating their front raised balcony adjacent to their pizza parlor.

Bourbon Street:

Bourbon Street has come to life by default due to the closure of Rhumba. It is clear that they are only a restaurant-bar with no dancing which is right in line with their permits. Since Rumba has shut down chicas are allowed to occupy a seat, however, someone at the table must order either a drink or something to eat. In addition it is reported that chicas are not allowed to approach Bourbon Street customers while they are in the restaurant. The restaurant is the place to be in the evenings every day of the week.

Law Enforcement:

Apparantly Policia Nacional are a little less aggressive recently as opposed to 2 weeks prior. Chicas are randomly arrested while others simply walk by without CESTUR-POLITUR paying attention. I have heard reports chicas pay between 500 – 3000 pesos to be released after they have been detained.

Other notable Pedro Clisante clubs:

Merengue Bar:

Monday thru Thursday & Sundays closes at midnight.

Friday & Saturday closes at 2 am.

Classico's Disco:

Monday thru Wednesday closed.

Thursday 9 pm -midnight.

Friday & Saturday 9 pm -2 am.

Sundays closes at midnight.

Conclusion:

I have heard there are very powerful interest that want to invest in Sosua and that is part of the reason for the recent crackdown. Both Rumbas and the Latins are supposed to re-open with a new format only time will tell what's in the future for our favorite hoe town.

Its been a few years since I went to Sosua so forgive the ignorance. Been trying to figure it out in the posts but get no clear idea about this so here goes. What are the going rates for:

ST.

TLN.

Motos during the day.

Motos at night.

Taxi from POP to SU.

Taxi between SU and Costambar.

I can see the girls are asking for less, last time I was there (2012) they were all opening with 4000 TLN, but how much less right now? I'm guessing the motos and cabs are around the same but just wanted to ask anyway.

Thanks for any help offered.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1921046]

I saw a the'Latins crush from days gone by. She has the look I like along with her flaca body. She also has a strut that makes her stand out. I smashed a while ago and later she un-friended me on Facebook saying she had a boyfriend after which I saw her in Classicos one night and I asked her about seeing her on a regular basis, she said I wasn't her type. Maybe it was my cologne. Or lack of it. LOL!

I have seen her several times and she walks up to me flirting with me obviously looking for work but I am thinking "but I am not your type?" I've blown her off since then. What I found interesting is how different she looked in the sunlight she had blemishes on her face that made her look totally different during the day than at night. Even her body looks different, I don't know if she has lost weight but the difference between night and day was startling.

.[/QUOTE]Time is a punta worst enemy. I've noticed a lot of chicas have seen in the past 4 years. I noticed the aging weight and other things that lets me know they are past their Prime. When a chica is in her prime she is riding high and turns down many requests from guys like us. Most of whom regret it later when they realize they see you a lot and they cutted off a lifeline.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1921261]Time is a punta worst enemy. I've noticed a lot of chicas have seen in the past 4 years. I noticed the aging weight and other things that lets me know they are past their Prime. When a chica is in her prime she is riding high and turns down many requests from guys like us. Most of whom regret it later when they realize they see you a lot and they cutted off a lifeline.[/QUOTE]Well I would not say that. Its all about how a working girl take care of themselves. Most DR Chicas, drink beer, fuck different gringos every night, Do not exercise or workout, hang out late, party all night. So after a few months or 1-2 Years go by they usually start looking like shit, that kind of lifestyles takes a toll on the body heavy.

Now when I go to Brazil, I have seen working girls that I met maybe 4-5 Years ago, Look even better now, Because a lot of Brazilians, workout heavy, they eat good food, and they take care of themselves and it shows. Age is nothing but a number You can slow the aging process if you take care of yourself.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1921046]Personal anecdote:

I have heard there are very powerful interest that want to invest in Sosua and that is part of the reason for the recent crackdown. Both Rumbas and the Latins are supposed to re-open with a new format only time will tell what's in the future for our favorite hoe town.[/QUOTE]As usual, thanks for the real time update, and your own special take!

My first time in Sosua next month, just need to know if there are ATM's or Banks in the town.

[QUOTE=Zebrok;1921249] What are the going rates for: ST?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1808789]I never pay more than 1500 pesos and never less. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zebrok;1921249] What are the going rates for: Motos during the day.[/QUOTE]30 pesos short trip within El Batey. 50 pesos if into LOS Charamicos or Sosua Abajo, or out past the clinic towards Cabarete.

[QUOTE=Zebrok;1921249] What are the going rates for: Taxi between SU and Costambar?[/QUOTE]1000 to 1200 pesos each way. Plus waiting time.

To save money (unless you have a lot of baggage and need picking up from your hotel) go to La Parada de Puerto Plata and negotiate with a publico driver for a dedicated publico to Costambar for 600 pesos. But they will not want to wait around for you.

Is taking a carro publico from Sosua to POP for 300 pesos an option?

First, I believe they are called carro publicos. They are the older Toyota Camry's mainly that most Dominicans use to get from Sosua to PP (& other areas). Last I checked the charge was 50 pesos one-way with each car being packed 6-deep not including driver. The pickup / drop-off point is Dr. Rosen & 5 (south side about 100 m from Rumba).

I have taken one to Cabarete and just took the option of renting out the whole car for 300 p.

Can I do this to get to POP? Just rent out the whole car for 300 p?

[QUOTE=Wjj1234;1921441]My first time in Sosua next month, just need to know if there are ATM's or Banks in the town.[/QUOTE]As long as you stick to the big banks, and the large stores, no problem.

But NEVER use a card otherwise, especially the ScotiaBank ATM in the drug store at the Texaco station. That machine is compromised most of the time, and there's no one to complain to.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1921651]As long as you stick to the big banks, and the large stores, no problem.

But NEVER use a card otherwise, especially the ScotiaBank ATM in the drug store at the Texaco station. That machine is compromised most of the time, and there's no one to complain to.[/QUOTE]I have used that one quite a few times and not had a problem, but it is probably best to use the one at the main branch of Banco Popular where there is security 24 hours, though preferable to use in the daytime, or the ATM inside supermercado Playero when it is open, or there is a Banco Popular machine in the air conditioned booth on the outer wall of La Pola supermarket. There is also a Banco Popular ATM on the outdoor concourse at the airport at Santiago, on the main highway through Puerto Plata, and at La Sirena. The ATM at Scotia Bank in Puerto Plata also has armed security round the clock. I would avoid the BanReservas ATMs as they tend to have low limits, which makes it an expensive proposition.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;1921634]

Can I do this to get to POP? Just rent out the whole car for 300 p?[/QUOTE]Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1921779]Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.

A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1921851]450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.

A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1921779]Yes you can do it but it is not 300 pesos, it's more like 550 if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. The carro publico will take you all the way to the airport I assume? They don't try to just dump you off at "the 5 & airport drive" do they?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1921851]450 last time I dd so two years ago, so 550 now sounds about right.

A cheaper alternative is just to buy both front seats for 100 pesos. I always do that.[/QUOTE]That is what I do if I am traveling solo but sometimes I am traveling with one of my favorita's and her son in which case I just take the entire car.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;1921861]Thanks for the info. The carro publico will take you all the way to the airport I assume? They don't try to just dump you off at "the 5 & airport drive" do they?[/QUOTE]I did this to meet some friends arriving after I did. I went to the taxi stand, told him that I wanted to go to the airport. Bought out the whole car, and he dropped me off at the toll booth. They can't go any further than that. Saved a few steps from being dropped off at hwy 5.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1922246]That is what I do if I am traveling solo but sometimes I am traveling with one of my favorita's and her son in which case I just take the entire car.[/QUOTE]Flash git! In that case just pay for the whole back seat (200 pesos).

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1922251]I did this to meet some friends arriving after I did. I went to the taxi stand, told him that I wanted to go to the airport. Bought out the whole car, and he dropped me off at the toll booth. They can't go any further than that. Saved a few steps from being dropped off at hwy 5.[/QUOTE]Actually 800 metres. Makes a difference if you have baggage.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1921654]I have used that one quite a few times and not had a problem, .[/QUOTE]There's always a first time.

That machine was my go to for years. It was often out of cash on weekends, so I got a lot of "cannot process your request", or "transaction declined". Then I found out it was charging my account with the initial amount requested.

Took a lot of time to deal with that. Than a few months ago, thinking that was just an anomaly (ScotiaBank has a good record in the DR) I tried it again. "Card declined" I needed money fast so I tried my other card, and sure enough no cash but deductions from my bank account!

Buyer beware!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1923032]There's always a first time.

That machine was my go to for years. It was often out of cash on weekends, so I got a lot of "cannot process your request", or "transaction declined". Then I found out it was charging my account with the initial amount requested.

Took a lot of time to deal with that. Than a few months ago, thinking that was just an anomaly (ScotiaBank has a good record in the DR) I tried it again. "Card declined" I needed money fast so I tried my other card, and sure enough no cash but deductions from my bank account!

Buyer beware![/QUOTE]I had that problem just one time with the Scotia Bank ATM in Puerto Plata. I think it was empty, and it just churned for ages, and then I aborted the transaction, and found I was charged 10,000 pesos for it, but I got the money refunded fairly quickly. I think I had to send a fax somewhere regarding the transaction. As I said before, I think Banco Popular is the best option, but Scotia Bank seems to be about the second best. There used to be a Scotia Bank branch in Sosua just behind the Hotel Europa, with an ATM on the wall, but then that bank closed and they moved the ATM to the Metro Bus terminal, with the closest Scotia Bank then being found in Cabarete. I imagine that is the reason why it is not stocked as often as before and runs out of cash. That and being the closest ATM to the downtown chica bars.

I've been in Sosua for a couple days. Its not my first visit. The first time being four years ago the second was 2 years ago, and this would be my third visit. Sosua is alive and well although it is certainly different. All of the action has moved to the opposite side of the street from Rumbas and Dlatins. There are still lots of chicas here working. Most work out of Classicos and the disco upstairs, but you can find them spread throughout all the little bars and restaurants including several at City Lights (an otherwise inconsequential bar in my previous visits). Its not as easy as shooting fish in a barrel anymore. There's a little more legwork involved. Rumor has it Rumbas may open later this week. Who the fuck knows.

Everything closes at 12 o'clock Sunday through Thursday although the casino is a good option after midnight. Lots of action on Saturday with female options to suite every taste. Although I miss sitting along the edge of Rumbas and watching the best Sosua has to offer walk by in all its spandex glory.

The biggest difference I noticed is most of the old white the guys that were prevalent in my previous visits have been outnumbered by large young black guys. It's a like every collegiate football team was released here all at the one time. I didn't see any of the drama that has been previously mentioned on this board from either the old white guys or young black guys. Seemed like everybody was chilling. The girls don't seem to care either way. Pesos are pesos.

If you are considering cancelling your trip to Sosua because of all the latest news. Don't. There is still lots of action here. Some of the girls still look smoking hot. Some of the girls still look fucking crazy. Some things will never change.

Another significant difference is the number of new high end condo developments being built along the oceanfront. These are obviously geared towards families and not Mongers. I believe (although I'm hardly an expert) this is the reason why there is a crackdown on working and girls in the city. Slowly but surely I believe the country / city wants to turn this into a sister resort to Cabrete. There is significant dollars being spent in development and the city wouldn't want those investment dollars being scared away by lured tales of prostitution. There is nothing more awkward to watch than a family, or young couple, trying to navigate their way down the street though hordes of working chicas as they realize this was not the typical beach resort they were expecting. Sousa as we know it is going to die a slow death only to resurface in another Dominican city over time. So goes the circle of life.

Simon.

[QUOTE=SimonSays;1923057]I've been in Sosua for a couple days. Its not my first visit. Sousa as we know it is going to die a slow death only to resurface in another Dominican city over time. So goes the circle of life.

Simon.[/QUOTE]Good report I agree with your prediction.

Last month I was eating at Sinatras with the owner who has lived in Sosua for over 15 years. He described a Sosua that had many 100's of girls and very crowded streets that very impossible to walk through the crowds. These where monger tourists. The guys were a very diverse group from all over the world. It was his opinion that Sosua is a shadow of its former glory. It appears that Sosua was has long been a monger magnet. Replacing its infrastructure will not be easy. A whole town built around prostitution.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1923278]Good report I agree with your prediction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1923657]A whole town built around prostitution.[/QUOTE]You say the craziest stuff. Pattaya was built around prostitution when the servicemen would go there for R&R during the Vietnam War. Today there are literally hundreds of bars and clubs and massage parlors that you can get a chick from to fuck or fuck them on premises.

The only prostitution you see in Sosua is generally by a handfull of freelancers on half a block of the entire town. If mongers stopped going to Sosua tomorrow, the only ones that would suffer would be two hotels, two restaurants, and two bars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1923677]You say the craziest stuff. Pattaya was built around prostitution when the servicemen would go there for R&R during the Vietnam War. Today there are literally hundreds of bars and clubs and massage parlors that you can get a chick from to fuck or fuck them on premises.

The only prostitution you see in Sosua is generally by a handfull of freelancers on half a block of the entire town. If mongers stopped going to Sosua tomorrow, the only ones that would suffer would be two hotels, two restaurants, and two bars.[/QUOTE]YMMV, obviously :)

[QUOTE=OldKool;1923657] A whole town built around prostitution.[/QUOTE]That is a bit of an exaggeration. There are several schools in the town educating hundreds of children, churches, a hospital, supermarkets full of people who are not mongers, a military base close by, s couple of all-inclusive resorts, and so on. By no means all the locals derive their income from prostitution-related travel, although I would agree that sex tourism and retirement homes are the twin pillars of the local economy, bringing in a lot of foreign currency, and that there is some overlap between the two.

I have seen some times when the town seems to be full of crowds, but these usually occasions like Superbowl Weekend or Holy Week, when huge numbers of Dominicans seem to be bused in for religious revivals where participants can safely catch a sniff of sin in the air.

I think prostitution has shot itself in the foot in Sosua by being insufficiently discreet. If it appears to most people that single male visitors are meeting attractive young Dominican women in the disco late and night for vacation romances, then no one is too bothered, but when there are open bars packed with young women showing a lot of flesh and women grabbing men's arms on the streets, then it is all a bit obvious. There has also been a tendency in recent years for male visitors to show a lack of discretion about the main purpose for their travel. For example men I have spoken to on flights in and out of the DR hardly bother to disguise their true purpose at all, asking questions about where to buy Viagra and so on from complete strangers like me on the plane who have not indicated any interest in the sex scene.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1923699]That is a bit of an exaggeration. There are several schools in the town educating hundreds of children, churches, a hospital, supermarkets full of people who are not mongers, a military base close by, s couple of all-inclusive resorts, and so on. By no means all the locals derive their income from prostitution-related travel, although I would agree that sex tourism and retirement homes are the twin pillars of the local economy, bringing in a lot of foreign currency, and that there is some overlap between the two.

I have seen some times when the town seems to be full of crowds, but these usually occasions like Superbowl Weekend or Holy Week, when huge numbers of Dominicans seem to be bused in for religious revivals where participants can safely catch a sniff of sin in the air.

There should be no doubt about Sosua's raison d etre. Even my NA nieces smile conspiratorially, when they ask when's my next trip down there. Those who don't know Sosua's reputation haven't travelled.

I think prostitution has shot itself in the foot in Sosua by being insufficiently discreet. If it appears to most people that single male visitors are meeting attractive young Dominican women in the disco late and night for vacation romances, then no one is too bothered, but when there are open bars packed with young women showing a lot of flesh and women grabbing men's arms on the streets, then it is all a bit obvious. There has also been a tendency in recent years for male visitors to show a lack of discretion about the main purpose for their travel. For example men I have spoken to on flights in and out of the DR hardly bother to disguise their true purpose at all, asking questions about where to buy Viagra and so on from complete strangers like me on the plane who have not indicated any interest in the sex scene.[/QUOTE]The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.

When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!

There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!

Nothing new here, move along citizen!

Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.

Seems they just can't help themselves.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1923796]The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.

When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!

There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!

Nothing new here, move along citizen!

Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.

Seems they just can't help themselves.[/QUOTE]These lines which you quoted me as saying were inserted and were not part of my post:

[QUOTE] There should be no doubt about Sosua's raison d etre. Even my NA nieces smile conspiratorially, when they ask when's my next trip down there. Those who don't know Sosua's reputation haven't travelled. [/QUOTE]The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.

The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1923884]These lines which you quoted me as saying were inserted and were not part of my post:

The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.

The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.[/QUOTE]You have my apologies for that weird edit inserting my comments in the middle of your post.

Aside from that, you sound like you are trying to dump some real estate on an unsuspecting buyer.

Google "Sosua"

5,000,000 hits and the very first description is "Sex Tourism".

You are in denial!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1923884]

The vast majority of people don't even know where the DR is or that it shares an island with Haiti. My own niece actually announced that she would be visiting the Dominican Republic on a cruise ship a couple of years ago, but then had to back track and admit that it was Dominica, not the Dominican Republic. Most people don't even know there are two places with similar names in the Caribbean.

The number of people other than those who are interested in reading about sex tourism who read ISG or have heard of ISG is miniscule. Of course if you Google Sosua, you will probably find racy pictures and videos, but the first time I went to the DR, I don't think I had even heard of Sosua.[/QUOTE]I will admit that prior to 2007 I was not even aware of the existence of the DR or Haiti as countries (I'm from the Midwest: wouldn't have known a Dominican or Haitian back then if one walked up to me and slapped me in the face). True testament as to how fucked up the school systems are in the US. When my history books covered the period of slavery, it did not mention anything about the fact that there were more african slaves taken to some country named "Brazil" than were brought to the United States. I did not even know Brazil had "black people" until I watched the movie "City of God".

Our history books were stripped down to be very "US-Centric", on purpose. You would be surprised how oblivious the average American is to the existence of most countries outside of the US if they did not come across it in a Hollywood action flick.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1923888]
Google "Sosua"

5,000,000 hits and the very first description is "Sex Tourism".

You are in denial![/QUOTE]The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".

I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1923892]The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".

I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?[/QUOTE]It is easy to assume "everyone" knows something or that something must be very popular because it is part of your life on a daily basis. You are on the inside looking around. To those on the outside it is the farthest thing from their mind or could even be nonexistant. How many people even post on this Sosua forum? How many people even go to Sosua? Not very many.

I had been to Boca Chica twice before a friend told me I should go to a place called Sosua. I had been to Bangkok a million times before I met a Black American guy in the hotel lobby who was a contractor in Iraq. I asked him what was going on and he said he was waiting on a bus to Pattaya. I asked what that was. He said it is better and cheaper. I still did not visit until a few trips after that and have not looked back at Bangkok. I did not know the mongering capital of the world was only an hour and a half away.

Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks.

My first time hearing of Dominican Republic was in 1994 when me, my cousin, and my best friend were living together in our bachelor pad. We were 22 years old and would go out to party every weekend in Atlanta. My best friend met a chick named Altagracia at one of the clubs and she started coming over to bang him until he got tired of her. We used to make fun of her name because we had never heard no shit like that. Haiti I had already known about because I had been studying French since I was 13.

When I first went to Sosua, prostitution was not in your face. There were small bars along Pedro clisante with some girls. Also there were many open air bars everywhere. Clientele were mix of locals, foreigners and regular tourists. Everybody drank, danced and had a good time. Obviously there were many single girls mixed in with families and nobody batted an eyelid when mongers made deals and picked up girls. There were some bars who employed girls as escorts. You can go into the bars and if the girl likes you, you can take the girl by paying a salida fee otherwise known as bar fine. I believe it was 300 pesos and you give the girl separate money ST or LT. Regular tourists also mixed in taking in the local culture. Had to be careful not to make indecent proposals to every girl there. Most of P4 P girls were plying their trade at the Sosua beach during daytime. At night it was a big Disco place I believe known as Disco Carrebean where literally hundreds of girls who came from many small towns to make money. I have also met some nice looking girls at many of the casinos. There were many casinos and sadly almost all of them are closed now. There were many AI resorts from PP to Cabarete. Now most of them are closed. It was easy to hook up with shop girls, waitresses, massage girls. All looking for extra money in the evening.

After that Rumba, Latinoes, Passions etc opened and prostituition was evident along a small stretch of road. Granted in Pattaya families with children co exist along with bars and prostitutes. Also granted that in Las Vegas children enter casinos and see what is happening.

But in Sosua word got around at the resorts where normal tourists stay that prostitution is rampant and not to go out to local places at night. Administration tried to control by closing bars etc but because of corruption none of the bars were closed for long.

Now at least for the time being administration is strict.

I believe in the long run government has to relent because the whole town of Sosua will be dead with high unemployment. All the hotels will close if there is no mongering. So too are the restaurants and bars. Whenever the nightlife is restricted in a small town business goes downhill. If is done in the hope of reviving regular tourist business it will fail. Just look at playa dorada resorts. There was no prostitution but still many are closed.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1923905]But in Sosua word got around at the resorts where normal tourists stay that prostitution is rampant and not to go out to local places at night. Administration tried to control by closing bars etc but because of corruption none of the bars were closed for long.

Now at least for the time being administration is strict.

I believe in the long run government has to relent because the whole town of Sosua will be dead with high unemployment. All the hotels will close if there is no mongering. So too are the restaurants and bars. Whenever the nightlife is restricted in a small town business goes downhill. If is done in the hope of reviving regular tourist business it will fail. Just look at playa dorada resorts. There was no prostitution but still many are closed.[/QUOTE]You also have to understand Dominican Politicians and Government Officials are also catching heat and getting pressured from US Government. Remember the Dominican Republic Signed a NGO Anti-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] Pledge Started by the Bush Administration.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-prostitution_pledge[/URL]

They receive millions of dollars in Government aid from the US. From time to time they have to look like they are combating [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] / Prositiution Stopping the risk spread aids or they risk getting there funds restricted. So you might think these Politicians are stupid for cracking down on Prostitution but you have to understand the real money is in trying to Stop the Problem and not solving it. Kinda like the war on drugs. Its a money grab, these Politicians know they can never stop drug use, but there is a lot of money trying to stop it because it funds the legal system, from judges, Lawyers, Police, and it help fill Jails! Everybody gets a payday.

So if I'm your average Dominican Politician who do I want to please? Tourist mongering dollars? Or the US Government that send me millions of dollars to try to correct the problem?

Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.

After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.

The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1923892]I will admit that prior to 2007 I was not even aware of the existence of the DR or Haiti as countries (I'm from the Midwest: wouldn't have known a Dominican or Haitian back then if one walked up to me and slapped me in the face). True testament as to how fucked up the school systems are in the US. When my history books covered the period of slavery, it did not mention anything about the fact that there were more african slaves taken to some country named "Brazil" than were brought to the United States. I did not even know Brazil had "black people" until I watched the movie "City of God".

Our history books were stripped down to be very "US-Centric", on purpose. You would be surprised how oblivious the average American is to the existence of most countries outside of the US if they did not come across it in a Hollywood action flick.

The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".

I actually found this forum (ISG) completely by accident in mid-2007 by googling "what do Dominican women look like?[/QUOTE]You don't find hookers by looking through history books.

Here's what you do: (or most 10 year olds anyway)

Google "Sex tourism". "Sex tourist" or "Sex tourist countries".

The very first listing after the WIKI definition of the phrase is "10 of the most popular countries for Sex Tourism".

The first large identified picture is Dominican Republic. No 10.

(But keep it quiet, between you and me. No point in having a lot of mongers, weekend warriors "making it rain", johns from all over the world, including Netherlands, Canada, the USA, Germany, the U.K. lining the streets on weekends)

As Mr. E says, "Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks. ". Let's just keep it that way!

Although I'd hate to ask him how he manages to find a toilet if he wants to take a shit :)

[QUOTE=Adinga;1923939]Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.

After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.

The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I hear you can't even find a bar TV showing a live Superbowl, World Cup Soccer game, or even my favorite the Stanley Cup Finals.

Is it the end of sports and hookers in Sosua?. Or is it just August? :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1923796]The word has been out for a long time about Sosua. At least since ISG made it one of the busiest boards in their forums, many years ago.

When I first went there 9 years ago, I couldn't believe so many part timers and semi pro hookers in one spot at the same time!

There's no shortage of hooker destinations in the world, but fresh, semi pros, newbies and part timers, where nobody thinks twice about an old 80 year old fart with a 20 year old beauty walking hand in hand back to the New Garden, not so much!

Nothing new here, move along citizen!

Every year, in the slow season, folks (who mostly don't even go there) predict the demise of our Hooker Paradise.

Seems they just can't help themselves.[/QUOTE]Slow season or not the way I see it is the demise is definitely on the horizon. In my books the reason is the the change in the mongers; now there are too many loud mongers who lack decorum and discretion. No venue in the world will continually allow in your face p4 p with that sort of clientele.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1924120]Slow season or not the way I see it is the demise is definitely on the horizon. In my books the reason is the the change in the mongers; now there are too many loud mongers who lack decorum and discretion. No venue in the world will continually allow in your face p4 p with that sort of clientele.[/QUOTE]Don't worry.

It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".

You guys slay me.

Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1923892]
The average guy looking for info on sex tourism would have to know that the word "Sosua" is even a thing before googling it. Like I wouldn't go to google and type the word "dog" into the search box if I were not aware of the existence of the word "dog".
[/QUOTE]Absolutely, and even among men who are interested in sex tourism, a significant percentage (perhaps as many as 50%) believe that the is a place called "Sousa", which will reveal absolutely nothing if Googled. Of course, if you Google "sex tourism" you will probably find a mention of Sosua sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924124]Don't worry.

It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".

You guys slay me.

Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"![/QUOTE]I sense there is a need for a monger school to teach those ("others", you know who we are talking about, nudge, wink) how to monger respectfully and with decorum. Also how not to spoil the market for cheapskates who won't spend a dime more than they have to to get laid.

I would suggest there would be more than a few volunteers from here, that would step in, if asked! .

[QUOTE=Adinga;1923939]Sosua is in bad shape in my opinion. I was there 10 days ago and all the bars are closing at 12 am during the week.

After 12. Am everybody heads down to the Casino which is the only place alcohol is served. Very smart concept on the governments part.

The police conduct periodic sweeps were they ride up the street and chase the girls off.[/QUOTE]A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?

IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.

In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?

If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?

I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Their business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1924129]Absolutely, and even among men who are interested in sex tourism, a significant percentage (perhaps as many as 50%) believe that the is a place called "Sousa", which will reveal absolutely nothing if Googled. Of course, if you Google "sex tourism" you will probably find a mention of Sosua sooner or later.[/QUOTE]Sooner pal, mucho sooner!

Google Sex Tourism, Sex Tourist or Sex Tourism Countries.

First page, first article (after WIKI definition).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924124]Don't worry.

It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".

You guys slay me.

Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"![/QUOTE]It is not so much the hookers who care as the general population and politicians. However even in the US, although I have never visited a hooker from Backpage, I have looked at some of the ads, and the women will often make certain stipulations as to the kind of men they are willing to see, for example age restrictions, and other restrictions.

I have never been to other sex tourism countries other than Amsterdam, but from what I saw there the people in the red light district behaved about the same as tourists anywhere in the world. I have not been to Thailand, so cannot say what the standards of decorum are like there or in Brazil.

Interesting story in the media about US Olympic swimmers who were possibly robbed by a group of men dressed up as cops while on their way home from a late night party. Reading between the lines, I would say they spent the missing hours at a brothel, one of them lost his wallet, and the robbery story was made up for the benefit of the girlfriend, but went badly wrong. (Probably worth while making a note to self not to allege that you have been robbed by men in police uniforms when traveling overseas in case the robbery is investigated by men in police uniforms.).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924130]I sense there is a need for a monger school to teach those ("others", you know who we are talking about, nudge, wink) how to monger respectfully and with decorum. Also how not to spoil the market for cheapskates who won't spend a dime more than they have to to get laid.

I would suggest there would be more than a few volunteers from here, that would step in, if asked! .[/QUOTE]Not necessary, but I think locals in Sosua have been put off by the overt nature of prostitution in Sosua. Remember that Sosua's oldest school is located right next to the prostititution bars. Would such a thing be tolerated in the US? I think you know the answer to that. Because prostitution is legal in the DR, some wide eyed mongers assume that prostitution is legal in the DR in the same way that gambling is legal in Las Vegas, and that it is completely out in the open, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So saying that you are "here for the girls" along with your father, uncles, and cousins, does not go down as well as just saying that you are in town to visit a girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1924136]Not necessary, but I think locals in Sosua have been put off by the overt nature of prostitution in Sosua. Remember that Sosua's oldest school is located right next to the prostititution bars. Would such a thing be tolerated in the US? I think you know the answer to that. Because prostitution is legal in the DR, some wide eyed mongers assume that prostitution is legal in the DR in the same way that gambling is legal in Las Vegas, and that it is completely out in the open, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So saying that you are "here for the girls" along with your father, uncles, and cousins, does not go down as well as just saying that you are in town to visit a girlfriend.[/QUOTE]It's slow season in Sosua. August!

Not enough on the ground reports to keep the board alive, so a little chance to blow off a little steam against a lot of the bullshit that I see building up over time.

My problem is that I talk to a lot of putas down there who can go on for hours with shared stories about the johns, trick and marks they come across. By my experience they are generally correct. Generally speaking I would sooner sit with a bunch of putas than a bunch of their marks, but that's just me!

I am respectful and polite, and I know how to say a firm no, without pissing people off, so I do not condone anything less in others. But government sanctioned mongering, will never be the same as a monthly book club meeting.

It attracts, gasp!, mongers! Johns, tricks, and marks. Not to mention lots of putas!

If you don't want lassaire fare prostitution with all it's baggage, I would suggest Amsterdam.

To try to impose your own standards on the local industry is a bullshit waste of time. Anyone who chooses to go there or to live there, should accept it for what it is, leave it, or run for office to change it!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1924131]A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?

IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.

In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or
walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?

If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?

I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Thei business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you have said. In my vew visits to Sosua, I've, never made it to Classicos, because it didn't get started till late. I was usually already hunting something, or in my room, taking care of business by then.

OTOH, if they are trying to make Sosua more family friendly, why are they soo concerned about places open after midnight? You would think they would encourage the adult activity, late at night, not during the family hours.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924153]
I am respectful and polite, and I know how to say a firm no, without pissing people off, so I do not condone anything less in others. But government sanctioned mongering, will never be the same as a monthly book club meeting.

It attracts, gasp!, mongers! Johns, tricks, and marks. [/QUOTE]Right, but all those derogatory terms are part of the negative image of prostitution and don't say anything about the character of mongers per se. The only difference between mongers in general and men who are not mongers is that those who are mongers, for whatever psychological reasons, see nothing wrong with paying available for a variety types of sexual experiences that they cannot easily obtain on the free market, and obtain a certain kind of satisfaction from it that makes their lives happier, and have enough money to be able to do that. Now some mongers may be drunks, drug addicts, criminals, and so on, but being a monger does not necessarily define someone as being of any particular type of character or personality any more than being a tourist defines someone's personality.

I would take it for granted that individual mongers would favor models of prostitution that serve their own needs, but at the same time it is possible to be somewhat objective and be a monger without necessarily agreeing that mongering is a equal universal benefit to all societies. It comes down to that old cliche, 1. Would you want you mother or daughter to be a puta? If the answer is yes, 2. Would you actively promote her towards that career, perhaps by taking her to mongering areas on a kind of "take your daughter to work day" basis, so she could see what it was all about.

Probably many people would say something like: "Well if she really wanted to do it and had made her mind up, I would try to warn her of the possible hazards to her mental and physical welfare and health, but if she really wanted to do it I would accept her decision and support her as best I could. " But at the same time, they probably would not be telling all their friends. "Oh, I am so proud of my daughter. She started work as a hooker last week and already make $1500 off an old, fat guy. She is training for brothel management too. Good head on her shoulders. Chip off the old block. Just like her mama. ".

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1924131]If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?[/QUOTE]The issue here is that people are on vacation and want to go out and party. What party do you know that gets started at 8 pm? Guys like Old Kool like to go into the club and dance with the girls.

You and I follow a different MO. I have been saying in the Pattaya thread for years that it is not brain surgery. You can walk into the disco and go up to a chick and say let's go and leave with her. No need to buy neither yourself nor her 1 drink. In and out like the movie Gone in 60 Seconds.

But guys on vacation are not trying to go that direct route. They want to buy bottles of liquor and champagne, eye different chicks, and celebrate. They want to do as they do back home, but be guaranteed to get some ass at the end of the night.

When you are living somewhere you are not taking the vacationers route. I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar. (Although I do know a guy who lives in Thailand and every night you will see him go through the discos - they are free to get in. For years I have never seen him buy a drink or anything; he just goes and walks around to show his face.) It is the same people night after night in those places. By now everyone should know Camaro, and Camaro should know everybody. When I go in a disco in Thailand, I collect numbers and like you, will just call one of them over another night about 8 pm or so to come spend the night with me. I have alcohol in my crib if I want to drink. No need nor desire to stay out at all times of the night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924165] I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar. (Although I do know a guy who lives in Thailand and every night you will see him go through the discos - they are free to get in. For years I have never seen him buy a drink or anything; he just goes and walks around to show his face.) It is the same people night after night in those places. By now everyone should know Camaro, and Camaro should know everybody. When I go in a disco in Thailand, I collect numbers and like you, will just call one of them over another night about 8 pm or so to come spend the night with me. I have alcohol in my crib if I want to drink. No need nor desire to stay out at all times of the night.[/QUOTE]I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1924161]Right, but all those derogatory terms are part of the negative image of prostitution and don't say anything about the character of mongers per se. The only difference between mongers in general and men who are not mongers is that those who are mongers, for whatever psychological reasons, see nothing wrong with paying available for a variety types of sexual experiences that they cannot easily obtain on the free market, and obtain a certain kind of satisfaction from it that makes their lives happier, and have enough money to be able to do that. Now some mongers may be drunks, drug addicts, criminals, and so on, but being a monger does not necessarily define someone as being of any particular type of character or personality any more than being a tourist defines someone's personality.

I would take it for granted that individual mongers would favor models of prostitution that serve their own needs, but at the same time it is possible to be somewhat objective and be a monger without necessarily agreeing that mongering is a equal universal benefit to all societies. It comes down to that old cliche, 1. Would you want you mother or daughter to be a puta? If the answer is yes, 2. Would you actively promote her towards that career, perhaps by taking her to mongering areas on a kind of "take your daughter to work day" basis, so she could see what it was all about.

Probably many people would say something like: "Well if she really wanted to do it and had made her mind up, I would try to warn her of the possible hazards to her mental and physical welfare and health, but if she really wanted to do it I would accept her decision and support her as best I could. " But at the same time, they probably would not be telling all their friends. "Oh, I am so proud of my daughter. She started work as a hooker last week and already make $1500 off an old, fat guy. She is training for brothel management too. Good head on her shoulders. Chip off the old block. Just like her mama. ".[/QUOTE]Phsychobabble from a disgruntled customer? LOL.

I'm a john, trick, mark that pays for sex with relative strangers. Because I am old and not married I worry less about STD, and such. In that respect I've been lucky.

I don't take pride in what I do (It doesn't define me) but it satisfies my carnal desires.

The game is as old as civilization.

Pardon me if I don't see it as some sort of hobby for intellectuals with "game", or an excercise in judgemental relative discretion. Or even a full time drag on my life. (I wouldn't live there).

The DR maybe.

This is one area where the cliche, "It's NOT rocket science, is valid.

Hookers and johns, is all it is.

Deal with it, and if you can't handle it for god's sake get out of Sosua. With your problems, I can't see why you would choose to live in a government sanctioned third world brothel.

There's a whole world out there!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1924177]I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting Camaro. Always current and interesting.

Don't be chased off the board by the usual suspects, amateur psychologists, and disgruntled ex mongers.

They haven't found a way to enjoy Sosua and they apparently hate anyone who does.

A lot of boards go this route!

But WE got OUR Sosua!

Peace!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924079]You don't find hookers by looking through history books [/QUOTE]Who does that? What does this comment have to do with anything I posted?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1924256]Who does that? What does this comment have to do with anything I posted?[/QUOTE]Might be over your head, so I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out! :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924259]Might be over your head, so I'll leave it to the reader to figure it out! :)[/QUOTE]"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924238]Thanks for posting Camaro. Always current and interesting.

Don't be chased off the board by the usual suspects, amateur psychologists, and disgruntled ex mongers.

They haven't found a way to enjoy Sosua and they apparently hate anyone who does.

A lot of boards go this route!

But WE got OUR Sosua!

Peace![/QUOTE]Thanks, I really didn't understand the motive for his comment about me, asi es la vida.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1924424]Thanks, I really didn't understand the motive for his comment about me, asi es la vida.[/QUOTE]I don't know, summer doldrums, lack of pussy.

Whatever, some of the regulars are in foul moods these days.

(I can't resist poking them with a stick).

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1924280]"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃[/QUOTE]The photo was telling. For once, a grown up boy has to ask Dad about Canada shows the doldrums the US education system is in. Also, the two attributes mentioned are extremely positive in my mind, except of course in those la la lands where they are infringement on freedom and toothless young people abound. What a sad state of affairs!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1924483]The photo was telling. For once, a grown up boy has to ask Dad about Canada shows the doldrums the US education system is in. Also, the two attributes mentioned are extremely positive in my mind, except of course in those la la lands where they are infringement on freedom and toothless young people abound. What a sad state of affairs![/QUOTE]Stereotypical nonsense from Readers Digest.

Canada's gangland gun and drug crimes are routine and getting worse, and some of our eminent politicians go to the USA For medical care for themselves and their elders.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1924131]A saying I use. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Is it absolutely necessary that individuals have to be out in the street 2 - 4 in the morning, to eat, drink and pick up women? Why can't the same individuals get whatever they want accomplished by 12 AM? And why is certain venues closing at 12 AM partially representative of Sosua being in bad shape?

IMO that mainly applies to individuals who can't or won't adapt to a schedule change. Speaking for myself. As an adult, I have always been an early riser and early to be home. When I was young I partied and hung out until 5 am in NYC. Rode the iron horses to get home. Now, in order for me to be out after 12 AM, I would have to prepare for it. Go to bed at 7 PM and wake up so I would be rested. Not being a night owl, you usually won't find me out past 12 AM unless I choose to. Or perhaps to drop off a chica. So venues closing at 12 AM aint no threat to my monger activities or my livelyhood. Nor for the hundreds of other mongers not impacted directly by venues closing early.

In the day, a dude can meet a chica, take them then, or make arrangements for later. Talent can be found on the beach in the day. Take them then, or hook up later. From 8 pm to 12 am a guy should be able to make a hookup with at least one freaking chica? Besides, if you pay attention, you see more than enough guys sitting around fucking bullshitting. Drinking, talking etc, just because. They may be at the bar, club or restaurant or the beach. They arent focused on taking anybody. And chicas are usually nearby sitting around like a "Hey Love" commerical waiting to be picked up. Or walking around like extras in a movie. If muggs are going to be sitting around for hours flossing or socializing, what's the big deal over a bar / club closing at 3 am, when you could have had that same chica at 12 am. Or hooked up hours before?

If guys are too lazy or too set in their ways to get up and out to make hookups between 9 pm and 12 am, or can't make connections during the day, they are the ones in bad shape, not Sosua. Is it that important that one has to be filled with alcohol after 12 midnight in order to have a good time? Are muggs forgetting to eat earlier in the evening? But they need to get a meal at 2 am? Is a chica going to look any better at 3 am, than she did at 12 midnight. (some would say yes, after enough alcohol LOL) . Or are muggs holding out until the pussy rental price drops? WTF is the issue here?

I have never really understood why some people have a hard time adapting and still be able to get their needs met? Now as far as the impact on business for the bars, restaurants and clubs, I fully understand their concerns. They make good money on the night owl bunch. However not having business past 12 am doesn't necessarily mean that Sosua is in bad shape. For one, many businesses IMO need to learn about providing better customer service. Bourbon Street restaurants success for the time being isn't a by product of their staff being well trained in customer service. Their business and pedestrian traffic picked up mostly due to the closing of other places. If Rumba reopened, Bourbon Streets business volume would drop ( slowly at 1st, then pick up ) as soon as guys and chicas started hanging back in Rumba or Rumba restaurant outside.[/QUOTE]Years ago a mentor said If you are not in bed by midnight go home, this has served me well in travels all through the DR, Cuba, central and South America. Give me a fresh chica at 2 in the afternoon any day over a 2 am in the morning one. Got to go meet my chica here in el centro Medellin now at 2 pm.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1924177]I have been living in the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have posted about my various experiences in various destinations throughout the Island. It just so happens Kviar is 5 minutes from where I live and serves as a diversion when I am bored. I respectfully disagree with the comment that it is the same peope night after night in Kviar it is exactly the opposite. Yes there are regulars but the pro, semi pro and civilian talent varies from night to night. In fact that is one of the reasons for my posting about Kviar, it is in transition just as many establishments are in the Dominican Republic. As always my postings are intended to be informative and only for those who are interested.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for all your great reports on the DR, I will give you the poetic license to mention Kviar as much as want.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924165]

When you are living somewhere you are not taking the vacationers route. I'm counting the days til Camaro stops posting about going to Kviar.[/QUOTE]But why? But why Mr. ENT? Why does Camaro or anyone have to be like you? If most of us were alike, the world would not be worth living. As long as a guy or gal, is having a good time, enjoying their life, the way they like it (and as long as it is legal) and they are decent human beings, why try to limit their choices in life?

I love Camaro and as you know too well, I too love to hit the clubs and discos. In Thailand, I also find chicas I like, but in the DR I almost never find any chica I like in a club. I just go there mostly to enjoy the ambience, the music, to dance and generally just be happy!

The chicas come to me before or after in the DR and I keep the two separate. In Pattaya, I am happy with some of the chicas I meet at IBar and Insomnia.

So, can't we all just each of us be happy in our way? Peace my man!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1924280]"It's a Canadian thing. You couldn't possibly understand." would have been an acceptable answer as well 🙃[/QUOTE]Way too funny! I would have added: " it's an unarmed North Ametican freezing his butt off, but with health insurance, eh! ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1923902]It is easy to assume "everyone" knows something or that something must be very popular because it is part of your life on a daily basis. You are on the inside looking around. To those on the outside it is the farthest thing from their mind or could even be nonexistant. How many people even post on this Sosua forum? How many people even go to Sosua? Not very many.

I had been to Boca Chica twice before a friend told me I should go to a place called Sosua. I had been to Bangkok a million times before I met a Black American guy in the hotel lobby who was a contractor in Iraq. I asked him what was going on and he said he was waiting on a bus to Pattaya. I asked what that was. He said it is better and cheaper. I still did not visit until a few trips after that and have not looked back at Bangkok. I did not know the mongering capital of the world was only an hour and a half away.

Most of the shit we find, we stumble upon by accident or word of mouth. Nobody just wakes up one day knowing they want to go to Sosua to find chicks.

My first time hearing of Dominican Republic was in 1994 when me, my cousin, and my best friend were living together in our bachelor pad. We were 22 years old and would go out to party every weekend in Atlanta. My best friend met a chick named Altagracia at one of the clubs and she started coming over to bang him until he got tired of her. We used to make fun of her name because we had never heard no shit like that. Haiti I had already known about because I had been studying French since I was 13.[/QUOTE]I never heard of Sosua until about 3 years ago! But, I was married before that for decades and on the professional global exec path. I had heard of Pattaya and other South and Central American Countries. But Sosua never. Until I heard about ISG at a prive in Sao Paulo about 3 years ago!

So, there you have it! And, so yes, relative to most of you here, I am very much a newbie ! 😇

Hello,

I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1924735]Hello,

I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. [/QUOTE]By "early morning", I presume you mean something like 2 AM? You can find cabs at the airport itself, they should be dependable. About $100. FYI, there is highway and a mountain road, to get to Sosua. If it has been raining, I would not recommend the latter at that hour.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1924735]Hello,

I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]I visited Sosua in April 2015 and also flew into STI. The cost for a taxi from the airport to Sosua was $90 US and took about 1 1/2 hours. Taxis are located immediately in front of the airport when you exit the terminal. You can probably also arrange transportation through your hotel but the cost is likely to be similar if not a little higher. And someone else here on ISG is likely to respond to your post with a cheaper alternative.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1924735]Hello,

I'm looking for reliable and safe transportation from STI. Airport early morning to Sosua. Can anyone provide suggestions?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]I have one but spanish speaking only, do you speak spanish?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1925028]I have one but spanish speaking only, do you speak spanish?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I Diego only English and Haitian Creole.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1925028]I have one but spanish speaking only, do you speak spanish?[/QUOTE]I do airport pick ups from Santiago for $65 US od $3500 pesos I've been living and driving her for 3 years I'm retired navy and you can't beat the price.

[QUOTE=KelvinDr1973;1925103]I do airport pick ups ... I've been living and driving "her " ** for 3 years I'm retired navy and you can't beat the price.[/QUOTE]Fair Warning!

Navy Guy will want to "drive" you / her. On the way over! Hence the lower price? You will pay the additional ' in kind '. And, it may a hard drive on his motoconcho !!!

And, he may even want to cook for you!

Just kidding. I can vouch for this dude! He is a good guy!

Hi, Kelvin: You back in Sosua? Or still in SFO de Mac?

[QUOTE=KelvinDr1973;1925103]I do airport pick ups from Santiago for $65 US od $3500 pesos I've been living and driving her for 3 years I'm retired navy and you can't beat the price.[/QUOTE]You ever heard of an alias homie! No one should ever use their real name on any of these monger forums!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924165]The issue here is that people are on vacation and want to go out and party. What party do you know that gets started at 8 pm? Guys like Old Kool like to go into the club and dance with the girls.

But guys on vacation are not trying to go that direct route. They want to buy bottles of liquor and champagne, eye different chicks, and celebrate. They want to do as they do back home, but be guaranteed to get some ass at the end of the night.

When you are living somewhere you are not taking the vacationers route.When I go in a disco in Thailand, I collect numbers and like you, will just call one of them over another night about 8 pm or so to come spend the night with me. I have alcohol in my crib if I want to drink. No need nor desire to stay out at all times of the night.[/QUOTE]I want to fine tune this a little bit, for the sake of those who may need to put some of this in some workable perspective. Everything you say is applicable. The main thing to make clear for the masses is that IT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I'm pointing it out, but not implying you are saying otherwise.

Not all guys want to go out and party. There are many vacationing guys coming to Sosua who don't buy bottles of liquor, don't hang out late, and have no need to celebrate. And don't necessarily do any thing special back home. The reason why I'm saying this, is because the interests and concerns of those mongers who are affected by the early closings of their favorite places, are not representative of the masses, only themselves.

Their interests and concerns does not dictate what Sosua represents for those who are not affected significantly. So all of the assessments and complaints of Sosua, including the so called lack of talent so on and so forth, is representative of a small group of individuals who will have no impact on anybody elses enjoyment of Sosua. Besides, there are always going to be different perspectives due to life experience, and age. A guy in his 30's or 40's trying to tell me that there's no talent in Sosua, or that most of the chicas are fat, ugly, hoodrat etc, I don't buy into that. A guy in his 50's, 60's through to the 80's may not have a problem finding a bunch of decent 6's available to get the job done. Many of my best regulars were my 6 and 7's. Many of the uppers were more or less a disappointment on one level or another. High maintenance, too much divatude or heavy mileage from being in demand.

I know some folks know one of my sayings. "YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD" I'm applying it this way, Just because a group or indivduals feel / think a certain way, or have had a certain experience, none of that necessarily represents someone elses experience or personal assessment. After hours party goers don't necessarily represent how others enjoy their time in Sosua or the DR. Their failure to get what they need because what they are accustomed to isnt available, will not be taken into consideration except to whom else it may apply.

From the time I 1st started coming to Sosua on vacation, and up to officially living here in the DR for 2 yrs, hanging out late was never a routine for me. I had / have no urge or interest in popping bottles, or making it rain. I don't smoke, but lightly drink. Whereever I go, I'm a people watcher. And I'm always meeting and greeting people. In those encounters I talk to a lot of people everyday. It's quite clear to me, that there are plenty of vacationers who do not go to any of the clubs / discos. Don't care to be out 1,2 to 4 in the morning. I've met more than enough vacationers that don't drink. And don't smoke. And can't stand to be around cigarette or cigar smoke. None of this is affecting them to the point that they need to find another mongering destination.

So it's astonishing reading comments from board members from various sites, or having to answer questions of guys living abroad (USA etc) about the alleged crackdown, or demise of Sosua. And mainly because they heard of a few venues closing, chicas temporarily getting arrested every night, and the closing off of streets to vehicular traffic. Meanwhile some are totally ignoring that this is still slow season in Sosua. This past Friday and last night the strip was packed with people. Classico was packed. One guy I know, paid for Classico but backed out once he saw how overcrowded it was. People will pack a place, when you give them only 2 late nights to party, and not the whole week like before.

Passions, CMP, dee latins have been closed for years now. What did people do? Adapt, complain out the ass, or do like CubaDave, bounce. I never actually got chicas in or out of Passions or CMP. I only went to see what it was about, or show somebody else. I soon realized that most of those chicas could be had easily when they werent working there. Many were staying in rooms or hotels nearby. Youd see them going to the colmado, salon etc, but so dressed down youd hardly recognize that that was the same sexy chica you saw up in Passions / CMP a previous night. So closing of CMP or passions wasnt that big of a deal, except for the fact that the chicas were semi supervised, and I believe tested for STD's. They closed, and people had to deal with it. All Cuba Dave had to do is get the chicas he liked from those venues, and hook up with them elsewhere. What was the big deal that he had to have Passions or CMP open just to get with the same girls?

I've come to the realization that many guys that come to Sosua shoot themselves in the foot acting like they are sedated and don't know how to do anything outside of the box. Staying within the confines of the strip seems to be their primary objective. When I was coming to Sosua on vacation, i sought the information I needed to enhance my experience and personal safety. I learned my way around, including some of the neighboring towns. Started picking up the names of the streets / venues. Went to many of the hotels to check for future consideration, so if my usual hotel was unavailable, I had options. I rented cars so I could explore outside of Sosua. I extracted as much info as I could from other mongers, expats, and even learned from the locals. Many of my friends, never did any of that. Many never tried to learn more spanish either. And constantly had to be helped in translating some gibberish some chica sent them. Or communication common to places they visited often, like a restaurant.

I would learn as much as I could about everything that would be helpful down the road. Meanwhile Id talk to enough guys who will need to know where ATMS or exchange places are, but wouldn't bother seeking that info beforehand until they are in a jam and need something. Wouldn't know where the beach was, nor would they ask. Some folks (many are personal friends) just are not wired to learn as much as they can of their environment. Its sad, but some folks don't even know how to use much of this technology we have at our disposal (computers / phones / tablets, apps etc).

Many guys are walking around oblivious to what's around them. To this day, I can ask enough guys do they know where certain very commom places are in Sosua that thery passed by, and they wouldn't be able to do it, because it never occured to them to take note for future reference. Or you take guys to specific places, and they can't freaking remember how to get there again. They are like wives and Gfs sitting in the passenger seat looking but not paying attention.

This is 3rd party unsubstantiated or confirmed info. An expat buddy of mine claims some turistas got stabbed last night by their chicas? Anybody know anything about this?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1925320]Besides, there are always going to be different perspectives due to life experience, and age. A guy in his 30's or 40's trying to tell me that there's no talent in Sosua, or that most of the chicas are fat, ugly, hoodrat etc, I don't buy into that. A guy in his 50's, 60's through to the 80's may not have a problem finding a bunch of decent 6's available to get the job done. Many of my best regulars were my 6 and 7's. Many of the uppers were more or less a disappointment on one level or another. High maintenance, too much divatude or heavy mileage from being in demand.

I never actually got chicas in or out of Passions or CMP. I only went to see what it was about, or show somebody else. I soon realized that most of those chicas could be had easily when they werent working there. Many were staying in rooms or hotels nearby. Youd see them going to the colmado, salon etc, All Cuba Dave had to do is get the chicas he liked from those venues, and hook up with them elsewhere. What was the big deal that he had to have Passions or CMP open just to get with the same girls?[/QUOTE]You are still speaking like a local though. Remember most guys who are visiting have more money than time, AND they want to get the best looking chicks they can.

I am telling you that I preach the exact same thing in the Thailand thread. The same chicks that work in those gogos that you will walk in and pay $100+ for, you can get for 1/3 that amount. When they get off work they go to the discos. Most guys say well I am not trying to stay up until 3 am when that happens. But the same girls walk around in the day time outside of work hours like you said.

I was with a brother from the board named Cool in Thailand last month. About 4 pm, we were sitting in the market talking and I saw some chicks who were getting food. I told them to come sit with us. Come to find out they were getting food before going to work at the gogo. I had them both give their numbers to Cool so he could set up something with them outside of work hours. Before that, he had been going in the gogos paying the high prices.

Also, living there, like you said you have had the top notch chicks already and can now willy nilly pick 6s when you want. But what do most visitors say? I can fuck somebody like that back home. I come here to get something better than back home. If I have to pay, then I am certainly not paying for a 6. They are not trying to pay all that money travelling to another country to get 6s. Plus they only have a few days or a week to fulfill their carnal pleasures. So they are trying to get the quick drive-thru service. If they let something pass, they may never run into it again on the trip. You are there for the long haul and can operate differently than they do by sitting at the table and putting the napkin on the front of your shirt before ordering from the waitress.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1925289]You ever heard of an alias homie! No one should ever use their real name on any of these monger forums!![/QUOTE]Haha. The man does too!

I believe he is using this purely for his taxi gig.

And, BTW, the man does not monger! He is an ex Navy guy. Need he say more? 👻😜😇

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1925398]You are still speaking like a local though. Remember most guys who are visiting have more money than time, AND they want to get the best looking chicks they can.

I am telling you that I preach the exact same thing in the Thailand thread. The same chicks that work in those gogos that you will walk in and pay $100+ for, you can get for 1/3 that amount. When they get off work they go to the discos. Most guys say well I am not trying to stay up until 3 am when that happens. But the same girls walk around in the day time outside of work hours like you said.

I was with a brother from the board named Cool in Thailand last month. About 4 pm, we were sitting in the market talking and I saw some chicks who were getting food. I told them to come sit with us. Come to find out they were getting food before going to work at the gogo. I had them both give their numbers to Cool so he could set up something with them outside of work hours. Before that, he had been going in the gogos paying the high prices.

Also, living there, like you said you have had the top notch chicks already and can now willy nilly pick 6's when you want. But what do most visitors say? I can fuck somebody like that back home. I come here to get something better than back home. They are not trying to pay all that money travelling to another country to get 6's. Plus they only have a few days or a week to fulfill their carnal pleasures. So they are trying to get the quick drive-thru service. If they let something pass, they may never run into it again on the trip. You are there for the long haul and can operate differently than they do by sitting at the table and putting the napkin on the front of your shirt before ordering from the waitress.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying E, really I do. All I'm saying is, the mindset you speak of ONLY applies to THOSE guys. And that is THEIR problem. Me being here full time to talk to so many guys, it doesn't appear to me that MOST guys go for the 9's and 10's or require going to the disco.

To an extent you were correct about me viewing things as a local. Its possible that I am exposed to a lot more guys on a daily and weekly basis to talk to and observe their behavior than guys who come every so often. So my observation, perspective and interaction of what old and young guys go for should be taken in consideration. Now just because I do not go to Classico or routinely stay up late mean I haven't picked the brains of many of the guys that come here. Thing is, you can sort of measure or guess the numbers of guys going out to the club cause you see them. Those going home with 6's may be barely noticed. And it would be hard to measure the numbers of guys that don't come out late, or already are squared away for the day / night.

There are plenty of guys, even on short term vacation who are not going for the dimes, and not interested in going to the club / disco. I can say that's true of a significant number of guys younger or older. So the only thing that is debatable is whether or not it's Most guys, or simply only those it applies to. I believe it's the latter.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1925416]Me being here full time to talk to so many guys, it doesn't appear to me that MOST guys go for the 9's and 10's [/QUOTE]That is apparent when you are somewhere live and in person, but when they come on ISG 9 out of 10 mongers will not admit to that. They claim to have all this criteria that has to be met, but when you see mongers walking with a hooker, usually it is just a regular ass chick. I don't see too many mongers walking down the street with the beauty queens they have claimed to get.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1925505]That is apparent when you are somewhere live and in person, but when they come on ISG 9 out of 10 mongers will not admit to that.[/QUOTE]The last 4 yrs I've been in sosua pretty much every two months. A LOT of guys go with 6's!! The trophy hunters are the minority. As long as their happy it's all good IMO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1925505]That is apparent when you are somewhere live and in person, but when they come on ISG 9 out of 10 mongers will not admit to that. They claim to have all this criteria that has to be met, but when you see mongers walking with a hooker, usually it is just a regular ass chick. I don't see too many mongers walking down the street with the beauty queens they have claimed to get.[/QUOTE]One man's 9 or 10, is another man's 6. I like voluptuous women, meaning I like tits and ass, without the stomach. Judging by the photos and comments here, many would not find that attractive. I'm cool with that, because many of the women in photos posted here are not attractive to me either.

[QUOTE=Troubleman69;1925511]One man's 9 or 10, is another man's 6. I like voluptuous women, meaning I like tits and ass, without the stomach. Judging by the photos and comments here, many would not find that attractive. I'm cool with that, because many of the women in photos posted here are not attractive to me either.[/QUOTE]That's the great thing about Sosua, there's something for everybody, and it's all in a couple of square blocks!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1925515]That's the great thing about Sosua, there's something for everybody, and it's all in a couple of square blocks![/QUOTE]I have never visited Sosua, because I'm satisfied visiting Santo Domingo, but I'm sure you are 100% correct.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1924124]Don't worry.

It is safe to say that hookers care more about dinero, than "lack of decorum" or "discretion".

You guys slay me.

Johns, tricks, and marks are not usually noted for their "decorum"![/QUOTE]Speak for yourself.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1925028]I have one but Spanish speaking only, do you speak Spanish?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Turgid;1925534]Speak for yourself.[/QUOTE]I been living here for a while there are 8's an 9's in Sosua Thursday threw Sunday the problem is they know they are fine. But seriously I don't understand how y'all comes here and leave wit 4's and 5's I see it everyday, and I am in the street everyday. I see better looking regular Dominican chicks walking down the streets than what these dudes be pulling out of Classics. Just makes me Laugh.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1925505]That is apparent when you are somewhere live and in person, but when they come on ISG 9 out of 10 mongers will not admit to that. They claim to have all this criteria that has to be met, but when you see mongers walking with a hooker, usually it is just a regular ass chick. I don't see too many mongers walking down the street with the beauty queens they have claimed to get.[/QUOTE]No dispute from me regarding what's said on forums. And yup, just a regular chick. But I was speaking strictly from what I see on the regular, my interactions and conversations with guys right here in Sosua. I would say most of the cats under 40 and slightly over tend to be the age group that are more apt to pursue the night life we spoke of. But when you get to many of the guys well over 50.60 and even 70, the numbers going to the disco / club tend to drop off in comparison to the younger cats.

Older cats can be seen moreso hanging out at the bars and restaurants. And chicas are always on patrol nearby to get some cats attention. Not to mention, if any guy starts walking down the street early evening until late, 80% of the time he will run into chicas trying to get hired on the spot. Chicas patrol in front of many of the hotels close to the strip, looking for work. And they get it. A guy knocks off one or two like that, by the time he hits the street to get food or entertainment he aint too concerned about getting laid again at 3 am by a chica from the club / disco.

In addition I get to hear reports from guys that tell me they used to go to the disco, but they no longer do. Reasons? Too crowded. Too noisy. The so called dimes that show up after 12 usually want crazy money, that these guys no longer are willing to pay. Enough guys have finally figured out that you can get these chicas before they even get up in classicos, and sometimes get them for less. Enough have realized that even the so called best looking chica in the club, aint nothing more than a 6 or 7, heavily made up with facade gear. Enough have realized that the same chica he saw on the beach earlier in the day, has somehow transformed into a sexy 7- 9. So some figure , why pay her 4000 + if she is really a 1500 to 2000 peso chica?

Another complaint enough guys have, and maybe more a concern than the cost, is the whack, mechanical, overly businesslike service many chicas provide. Which is why enough guys tell me, and I echo their sentiments, that theyd rather have a 6 that gives the service they want, than deal with a fucked up experience with a chica that could care less about offering the type of service that might garner repeat business and references for future clients. Thats not to say however, that less attractive chicas are always less problematic. Its always a roll of the dice when dealing with these females.

We are in accord, that there are tons of guys that do not give a damn about any of that. Like you said, they have money to burn. And they don't give a shit about any of the shit I said. They want to party, they want to be the big dog, and they don't really care how much it cost. However, if their prized venue ends up closed or not available like they were accustomed to, they will be forced to adapt.

And if they really want to show how significant their money/patronage is, let them put that to work to keep their club / disco open. If their money or influence can't do that, then they will just have to deal with it and adapt like everybody else.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1925534]Speak for yourself.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Nothing says "decorum" and "discretion" like a trick standing there with his pants down, and taking pictures of her pussy to post on a public board, or waiting around the pool at the New Garden for sloppy seconds.

[QUOTE=Troubleman69;1925531]I have never visited Sosua, because I'm satisfied visiting Santo Domingo, but I'm sure you are 100% correct.[/QUOTE]You can get everything from a 20 minute session with a 20 year old spinner, point and clicked off the sidewalk, in a $10 room next door to your bar, (take your beer with you).

To a fantasy moonlight and candlelight dinner with a big boobed bubble butt beauty on Cabarete beach, with wine, lobster and a strolling band of musicians (costs a little extra).

And for a little more extra you can invite her "cousin" along too.

That was true 9 years ago, and it is true today!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1925506]The last 4 yrs I've been in sosua pretty much every two months. A LOT of guys go with 6's!! The trophy hunters are the minority. As long as their happy it's all good IMO.[/QUOTE]One clear reason (not saying its the only reason) IMO why the trophy hunters appear to be in the minority, is because the trophys themselves are in the minority, compared to the abundance of regular (but attractive) chicas. ID estimate (being generous) maybe 15 trophy type chicas show up to the club, and the rest are just average attractive chicas? You may have 30 or more guys in the club looking for a trophy.

But finding themselves quickly adapting to what's available because there arent that many trophy chicas (9 and 10;s) to meet the "TH" demand. In addition, enough trophy chicas fail to get business from certain guys because of their attitude and body language. Turns some guys off. Moreover, if a trophy hunter is not a night owl, and / or doesn't like clubs, he will likely pick HIS trophys from the best of what's available, but not in the club / disco.

[QUOTE=Troubleman69;1925511]One man's 9 or 10, is another man's 6. I like voluptuous women, meaning I like tits and ass, without the stomach. Judging by the photos and comments here, many would not find that attractive. I'm cool with that, because many of the women in photos posted here are not attractive to me either.[/QUOTE]True. In addition, often when guys rate women theyve been with, they are factoring in their overall experience with that woman and how they made them feel. And that can boost that womans attractiveness when they make their assessment. The reason why I say this, is because often I have talked to a guy about a chica, and hes going on and on about how beautiful she was, how nice her body was, how cute her face was, etc.

I get to see a pic of the chica or he points her out to me, and it's clear to me beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And that it was probably her overall manner with him that made the difference in how he would rate her high on his scale. I too recall photos shared here from board members of chicas. But when you see them here in Sosua, you know right off the bat it's not their looks alone that got them high reviews.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1925763]LOL.

Nothing says "decorum" and "discretion" like a trick standing there with his pants down, and taking pictures of her pussy to post on a public board, or waiting around the pool at the New Garden for sloppy seconds.[/QUOTE]Well spoken.

Hello There Fellos ISG members.

Its been about 2 years since I've been in Sosua, only because my buddies and I have been traveling a lot to Asia, Costa Rica, and other places. I really enjoyed Sosua last time I was there. I am wondering if a couple of guys here that have been on the ground recently can assist us with the questions below so we can decide if things have not changed much. My boys and I want to go this fall, but they are somewhat apprehensive hearing about the early closures, chica raids, and rumors about club closures.

1) How do the early closures at 12 am change the scene for people such as myself that are used to staying out later? I know Friday and Saturdays are not impacted by this, but Tuesday through Thursday are. Are the clubs like Clasicos starting earlier during these days to adjust and people going earlier, like 9 pm or is it dead Mon through Thurs. ?

2) Want to make sure Rumba's is open still, yes or no? Are Rumbas, Clasicos, and Bourbon Street still the top places as of recent?

3) How is the casino after hours scene for the girls in terms of quality and is it a cool place to hang out or not? I remember it mediocre last time?

I did read all of the recent posts and stay on top of the posts here, but there still does not seem to be a lot of opinions and recent intel regarding the above. The posts by Turgid and Adinga implied doom is on the horizon in Sousa and were not too favorable. A couple of others stated that not much has changed. So thanks, your responses are greatly appreciated. We want to really make sure we are making the right decision or should we wait til things cool off and return to normal ?

Question what rates should I negotiate once I'm in Sosua for ST and LT? What is reasonable?

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1926115]Question what rates should I negotiate once I'm in Sosua for ST and LT? What is reasonable?[/QUOTE]How much money do you have?

Guys who are loaded seem happy to pay 3500 to 4000 for ST. Guys on a budget pay 1500 for ST. In my experience of nine years and that of my closest friends, there is no difference in the quality of the chicas. (Sometimes they are the same chicas).

Guys on short vacations are at a disadvantage, because if you want instant "point-and-click" you may end up paying more. If you have time to look round the back streets and nearby villages and bateys and build a list of phone numbers, you can totally control what you pay. Also, whether you can speak Spanish and/or French can influence what you can agree a lot. So does how sober you are.

LT is more complicated. Depends on the arrangements. You may or may not be paying dinner, breakfast, transport and buying clothes.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1926094]Hello There Fellos ISG members.

Its been about 2 years since I've been in Sosua, only because my buddies and I have been traveling a lot to Asia, Costa Rica, and other places. I really enjoyed Sosua last time I was there. I am wondering if a couple of guys here that have been on the ground recently can assist us with the questions below so we can decide if things have not changed much. My boys and I want to go this fall, but they are somewhat apprehensive hearing about the early closures, chica raids, and rumors about club closures.

1) How do the early closures at 12 am change the scene for people such as myself that are used to staying out later? I know Friday and Saturdays are not impacted by this, but Tuesday through Thursday are. Are the clubs like Clasicos starting earlier during these days to adjust and people going earlier, like 9 pm or is it dead Mon through Thurs. ?

2) Want to make sure Rumba's is open still, yes or no? Are Rumbas, Clasicos, and Bourbon Street still the top places as of recent?

3) How is the casino after hours scene for the girls in terms of quality and is it a cool place to hang out or not? I remember it mediocre last time?

I did read all of the recent posts and stay on top of the posts here, but there still does not seem to be a lot of opinions and recent intel regarding the above. The posts by Turgid and Adinga implied doom is on the horizon in Sousa and were not too favorable. A couple of others stated that not much has changed. So thanks, your responses are greatly appreciated. We want to really make sure we are making the right decision or should we wait til things cool off and return to normal ?[/QUOTE]IMO in order to fine tune helping you, one might need more feedback from you. Rather than guessing of what may motivate you.

You had a good time last year. How so? Doing what? What made it a good time for you, and what do you think you need to happen to duplicate that good time? If everything you were accustomed to last visit were closed, and only the chicas were present, could you still have a good time?

My point is, nobody here knows what motivates you and your buddies. It could be a combination of things with various degrees. Some more important than others. Nobody knows the combination of things you guys may need in place in order for you to be content. You have to supply that information. You may mis interpret or misapply the feedback you get, and how it may impact your trip.

For guys like myself (if you've been reading) we don't need any of the clubs or discos in order to have a good time, or to pursue the ultimate goal, which is smashing chicas. So far, I have not seen or heard of any mongers smashing chicas inside the disco or club. Most of that happens in ones hotel or apartment. The P4P chicas can be approached everywhere outside of the clubs / discos. All a guy has to do is just look. Music and alcohol can be enjoyed in ones hotel / apartment. Guys can meet chicas during the day just walking around.

So my point is, it would be more helpful to know exactly what it is you want / expect in order for you to feel fulfilled in your trip? And what would stop you from enjoying it? Why would a bar,club, disco closed early prevent you from adapting, and still have a good time?

You mentioned chica raids? In Sosua, what's happening is that chicas are specifically, and randomly getting arrested andf escorted to jail. Then after they post a fine, they are free to go. If they can't pay, I believe they stay over night. None of this going on should be taken to mean that chicas are swept away never to be seen again. Quite the contrary. Every single one of them are back on the strip at least the next day, if not within the hour. There are many chicas the police totally ignore and don't bother.

Its just an appearance game. Its real for those chicas who had to part with any pesos to get out. But it's not a game ending experience. In fact many chicas may actually enjoy the challenge. Because many of them are laughing and smiling when the police come around, and they start running. Its comical. So please do not sweat all of the rumors and distortions and assume more than what's going on. Chicas being chased aint that serious. Understand this. Chicas accompanied by a male escort are usually not bothered. Although I have seen chicas snatched up trying to pretend they were with a guy standing nearby.

Chicas sitting inside the bars and restaurants are not bothered. Its the ones patrolling the sidewalk back and forth like extras in a movie that are mostly targeted. Or chicas trying to walk alone or with other deer in headlights looking chicas around the blocks looking for work. Chicas that look new to the scene, are easily spotted and picked up. 6 months later they will be veteran sprinters or left alone because the cops know them. If they are Haitianas, they can for get it. They may be always a target by police.

Some chicas have elected to try their luck going to other places nearby for work. Cabarete, Puerto Plata etc. And still come back to Sosua.

So if you and your friends mindset has been clouded with the idea that you guys can't have a good time in Sosua unless places like Classico and Rumba is open, and can't deal with chicas being chased on a nightly basis, then I really don't know what anybody can offer to help you see differently? Your trip may be doomed just from bad intel and assumptions.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1926094]Hello There Fellos ISG members.

Its been about 2 years since I've been in Sosua, only because my buddies and I have been traveling a lot to Asia, Costa Rica, and other places. I really enjoyed Sosua last time I was there. I am wondering if a couple of guys here that have been on the ground recently can assist us with the questions below so we can decide if things have not changed much. My boys and I want to go this fall, but they are somewhat apprehensive hearing about the early closures, chica raids, and rumors about club closures...........We want to really make sure we are making the right decision or should we wait til things cool off and return to normal ?[/QUOTE]"Doom" is always on the horizon for Sosua, but like all Doomsdays, it never actually gets here. I even hear folks party harder on the eve of Doom.

I'll be there soon but friends tell me that it is still rocking.

Classico is still busy enough during the week, and actually packed like sardines at the weekend, and this is supposed to be the slow season. The street is still alive with chicas and the other bars are busier than usual.

Rumba and Latins are still closed, but work is going on at both and it looks like they will be reopening, albeit in a new not so much in your face format. City Lights has been refurbished as a party spot and has good potential.

There's the beach for some daytime action.

After hours during the week some action moves to the Casino, but I wouldn't worry about you and you buddies dance cards not being filled up for the whole week.

The sporadic chica roundup is not a concern. Prostitution is legal, so it's more like pest control, and the cops don't harass mongers.

Something for everybody. Your problems will be deciding on repeats, or trying out new stuff, and at least one of you will be falling in lust. Drag him away and convince him it's not love!

Business will be picking up even more by the time you get there, and it should be a little cooler!

Enjoy!

Just passing this along for those who are interested:

[URL]http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/08/24/cuba-dave-trial-costa-rica[/URL]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1926571]"Doom" is always on the horizon for Sosua, but like all Doomsdays, it never actually gets here. I even hear folks party harder on the eve of Doom.

I'll be there soon but friends tell me that it is still rocking.

Classico is still busy enough during the week, and actually packed like sardines at the weekend, and this is supposed to be the slow season. The street is still alive with chicas and the other bars are busier than usual.

Rumba and Latins are still closed, but work is going on at both and it looks like they will be reopening, albeit in a new not so much in your face format. City Lights has been refurbished as a party spot and has good potential.

There's the beach for some daytime action.

After hours during the week some action moves to the Casino, but I wouldn't worry about you and you buddies dance cards not being filled up for the whole week.

The sporadic chica roundup is not a concern. Prostitution is legal, so it's more like pest control, and the cops don't harass mongers.

Something for everybody. Your problems will be deciding on repeats, or trying out new stuff, and at least one of you will be falling in lust. Drag him away and convince him it's not love!

Business will be picking up even more by the time you get there, and it should be a little cooler!

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks for your update Oakie, very straightforward and to the point. In other words, we should not be worried and there will be plenty of action. With that in mind, we will be heading back almost for certain. Looking forward to going back to the Sue.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1926285]IMO in order to fine tune helping you, one might need more feedback from you. Rather than guessing of what may motivate you.

You had a good time last year. How so? Doing what? What made it a good time for you, and what do you think you need to happen to duplicate that good time? If everything you were accustomed to last visit were closed, and only the chicas were present, could you still have a good time?

My point is, nobody here knows what motivates you and your buddies. It could be a combination of things with various degrees. Some more important than others. Nobody knows the combination of things you guys may need in place in order for you to be content. You have to supply that information. You may mis interpret or misapply the feedback you get, and how it may impact your trip.

For guys like myself (if you've been reading) we don't need any of the clubs or discos in order to have a good time, or to pursue the ultimate goal, which is smashing chicas. So far, I have not seen or heard of any mongers smashing chicas inside the disco or club. Most of that happens in ones hotel or apartment. The P4P chicas can be approached everywhere outside of the clubs / discos. All a guy has to do is just look. Music and alcohol can be enjoyed in ones hotel / apartment. Guys can meet chicas during the day just walking around.

So my point is, it would be more helpful to know exactly what it is you want / expect in order for you to feel fulfilled in your trip? And what would stop you from enjoying it? Why would a bar,club, disco closed early prevent you from adapting, and still have a good time?

You mentioned chica raids? In Sosua, what's happening is that chicas are specifically, and randomly getting arrested andf escorted to jail. Then after they post a fine, they are free to go. If they can't pay, I believe they stay over night. None of this going on should be taken to mean that chicas are swept away never to be seen again. Quite the contrary. Every single one of them are back on the strip at least the next day, if not within the hour. There are many chicas the police totally ignore and don't bother.

Its just an appearance game. Its real for those chicas who had to part with any pesos to get out. But it's not a game ending experience. In fact many chicas may actually enjoy the challenge. Because many of them are laughing and smiling when the police come around, and they start running. Its comical. So please do not sweat all of the rumors and distortions and assume more than what's going on. Chicas being chased aint that serious. Understand this. Chicas accompanied by a male escort are usually not bothered. Although I have seen chicas snatched up trying to pretend they were with a guy standing nearby.

Chicas sitting inside the bars and restaurants are not bothered. Its the ones patrolling the sidewalk back and forth like extras in a movie that are mostly targeted. Or chicas trying to walk alone or with other deer in headlights looking chicas around the blocks looking for work. Chicas that look new to the scene, are easily spotted and picked up. 6 months later they will be veteran sprinters or left alone because the cops know them. If they are Haitianas, they can for get it. They may be always a target by police.

Some chicas have elected to try their luck going to other places nearby for work. Cabarete, Puerto Plata etc. And still come back to Sosua.

So if you and your friends mindset has been clouded with the idea that you guys can't have a good time in Sosua unless places like Classico and Rumba is open, and can't deal with chicas being chased on a nightly basis, then I really don't know what anybody can offer to help you see differently? Your trip may be doomed just from bad intel and assumptions.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the response and you bring up some good points, its difficult to know exactly if we will like it as its subjective based on our likes and I get it because some guys like vanilla ice cream, others like chocolate, etc. What we liked about Sosua was the following: girls were curvy and were more exotic or different types shall we say (mulata, dark, mixed with few lighter ones), we liked that a lot. Also liked the value of the girls in most cases, can get long time for reasonable prices, compared to other popular mongering destinations. We definitely liked how everything is very central around the strip (Pedro Clisante) , and so condensed. Loved the beach aspect of the city vs. the big city feel. But, I do want to say that we do like the ability to go out later and go to discos or bars, and stay out later as we are on Vacation and don't see each much back home; hence that is why I asked if the casino was good for after hours. Based on the responses you and the Oak Man posted above it does seem that we will have to adapt and go out earlier. I understand you can have chicks in the room, go to restaurants, etc. but I am not convinced for guys under 40 in a group ,on vacation,etc, that its not the same fun as hanging in groups in a club, listening to music, drinking, etc. Again, thats only my opinion and I respect yours.The main fact that it closes earlier but the places are still jumping early during the week makes us says " yes we want to go. " Thanks for addressing the girl issue, this is no longer a concern of ours. I will report in the near future on the Sue when we go and looking forward to a fall trip.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1926810]Just passing this along for those who are interested:

[URL]http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/08/24/cuba-dave-trial-costa-rica[/URL][/QUOTE]Hopefully everything works out for him. He was just what some would consider a "loud mouth", but it was just his way of spreading the mongering gospel, LOL.

IMHO Sosua is changing. I returned 3 weeks ago.

Its no longer point and click P4P and if some people feel it is then its hardcore P4P.

The strip has been reduced to a 200 foot area which has about 6 bars where the girls hang out plus the cops are getting more aggressive.

Its almost exactly what Castro did 14 years ago when police began arresting the working girls on the street which then forced them into the high end discos where prices increased dramatically.

The demographics are also changing as many of the old school Canadians and Germans are leaving. Its now mostly African Americans.

[QUOTE=Adinga;1927581]IMHO Sosua is changing. I returned 3 weeks ago.

Its no longer point and click P4P and if some people feel it is then its hardcore P4P.

[/QUOTE]Can you give examples of what you mean so me and others could get a better understanding of your POV. Exactly what is point and click to you? And examples of Hardcore p4 p?

My understanding of what point and click means, is that a guy approaches a chica he's interested in, makes an offer for her to go with him, and she goes. So if that is point and click to you as well, why do you say it's no longer the case? Or please clarify what P & C means to you? I think whether it's hardcore, girl friend experience or sport fucking arrangements, it's still point and click. As long as a guy has money and is willing to pay, in most cases a chica is not going to say no. And I still see chicas going with guys that anyone would say are not appealing. Fat, ugly, poor grooming, aged etc. Something else should be taken into consideration. Chicas themselves can have standards or concerns too in terms of who they want to fuck. Just because a guy has money and the chica needs money, that doesnt mean he gets to fuck any chica because of that. A chicas standards and interests of who she chooses to fuck, can be just as varied as us mongers. For instance, Ive observed chicas that were seen mostly with white guys or mostly with black guys. Others who behaved differently depending on the age of the guy. Not to mention, how chemistry and compatibility can play a role in each others company.

As far as hardcore is concerned, I do believe a lot of chicas are more hardcore (assuming it includes but not limited to: being all about business, no GFE, watching the clock, rushing to get back to the street club / bar, more apt to steal, non personable and indifferent towards their clients, loud and aggressive, smoking, drinking bottles of beer in public, on patrol walking around looking for clients). If that describes some of what you see, then I would have to agree. There is a significant increase in that type of behavior.

Many of the nicer chicas that offered GFE, unrushed service over the years got snatched up by gringos that decided they wanted to take them off the street. Western Unionized them with regular payments so the chicas could support their families could stay put in their city. Then when the guy comes to the DR, he goes straight to her city for his vacation, instead of meeting her in Sosua. Or those chicas moved on to other p4 p endeavors in other cities or countries. Still we see more chicas driving cars, indicative of some grngo buying the car, and supporting them. But yet still feel the need to hustle in Sosua. Or perhaps they burned their bridge or totally fleeced their former benefactor?

What we have left in places like Sosua are mutants. They look like females, sort of act like females, can dress sexy enough to appear female. But for some reason there is something missing. They are another generation of individuals with zero to very little home training. And definitely many lacking education, and social skills. More and more of these chicas have chulos lurking around in Sosua, not just back in their cities. The chica network is strong. Many chicas can be seen teaming up with other chicas. And now are demanding and expecting more from potential clients. To an extend it kinda makes sense. Can we expect ST to stay at 1500 pesos and TLN to stay at 2500 to 3000 forever?

We got to know, that most of the male hustlers are in on it too. We got to know that these muggs are telling these chicas to get more out of us? For example, I think Lionel the Rosetta Stone guy is a double agent. He acts like a friend to guys that don't know any better or just don't care if hes telling chicas about everything we say and do. IMO, it's hustlers and individuals like that, as well as loose lipped mongers telling hustlers everything, and "I don't give a fuck how much I'm paying, I'm on vacation, it's my fucking money" mongers, these are the ones greatly contributing to what we have today. BTW I don't think the guys at the German restaurant, feeding those chicas (mostly Haitianas) free meals and beverages every day , are helping the situation.

So that's mostly what guys have to deal with from now on. Sprinkled about there may be some gems among the muck. And after a while in the game, they too may be corrupted by the rest of the barracudas. Like an inmate in jail, or a rooky cop among vets. In order to fit in, they follow what others are doing. Still even under the current conditions, some individuals are able to adapt and manage a decent mongering lifestyle while fishing in infested waters. Expats are afforded more time to explore the "waters" as well as seek out other options nearby. Smart and / or dilligent vacationers can do likewise. However enough guys are not willing to go through all of that. They want the convenience, and quality ( relatively speaking ) back to the way they remembered it. If they can't have it, they become disenchanted and have to call it quits.

Personally, I want to see how things evolve after awhile. Is it possible that the changes to come may lead to a change in chica behavior for the better? Or will it get increasingly worse? How about the mongers we have coming on the regular? Will more interest in GFE or quality rather than quantity hookups come back?

[QUOTE=Adinga;1927581]IMHO Sosua is changing. I returned 3 weeks ago.

Its no longer point and click P4P and if some people feel it is then its hardcore P4P.

The strip has been reduced to a 200 foot area which has about 6 bars where the girls hang out plus the cops are getting more aggressive.

Its almost exactly what Castro did 14 years ago when police began arresting the working girls on the street which then forced them into the high end discos where prices increased dramatically.

The demographics are also changing as many of the old school Canadians and Germans are leaving. Its now mostly African Americans.[/QUOTE]You may be right; however, it is the low season. I visited Sosua two weeks ago. It was more subdued than I remember from my trip in December of last year. Is it due to the crackdown or is it due to seasonal nature of tourism?

I've read many different opinions about the demise of Sosua. I'm a point and click monger, who prefers to pay low prices, and I don't believe in attaching strings to hookers, and yet I still shy away from women with hardcore traits. I've only been visiting Sosua since 2013, and it had a high percentage of prossies with hardcore traits even then, that's not new. The prices haven't risen. Many of my dates asked for higher prices, I paid them the same as always. The point and click aspect is the same as always. I flew into POP, checked into my hotel, went out on Pedro Clisante, and brought a girl back to my room. This wouldn't have been so easy in Rio or Medellin, but it's comparable to Pattaya Beach.

Earlier through whatsapp I tried to negotiate a price with a Chica. She asked for 3000 pesos and I countered with 1500 pesos. After a minute or so she called me a mamaguevo. I don't understand?

[QUOTE=KConstant;1927985]You may be right; however, it is the low season. I visited Sosua two weeks ago. It was more subdued than I remember from my trip in December of last year. Is it due to the crackdown or is it due to seasonal nature of tourism?

I've read many different opinions about the demise of Sosua. I'm a point and click monger, who prefers to pay low prices, and I don't believe in attaching strings to hookers, and yet I still shy away from women with hardcore traits. I've only been visiting Sosua since 2013, and it had a high percentage of prossies with hardcore traits even then, that's not new. The prices haven't risen. Many of my dates asked for higher prices, I paid them the same as always. The point and click aspect is the same as always. I flew into POP, checked into my hotel, went out on Pedro Clisante, and brought a girl back to my room. This wouldn't have been so easy in Rio or Medellin, but it's comparable to Pattaya Beach.[/QUOTE]That's what I see too. August is their slow season.

For me the value of a mongering destination is tied to the numbers of chicas available. Give me enough chicas, and no legal proscription against mongers, and I'll be happy to spend a few days navigating the scene and keeping an eye out for the newer and fresher chicas. Pattaya sounds good to me too, but too far away!

Numbers ensure some incentive and competion for your dollars.

As long as folks are reporting numbers like 12 to 1 in places like Classico, I'll take those odds, anytime. They say there are 35 new uniformed servers at the new City Lights!

To me Sosua will only be over only if they ever manage to chase out most of the putas.

Nobody wants to have to work too hard for P4 P, and we don't all be wanting to chase the same 5 putas :)

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1928262]Earlier through whatsapp I tried to negotiate a price with a Chica. She asked for 3000 pesos and I countered with 1500 pesos. After a minute or so she called me a mamaguevo. I don't understand?[/QUOTE]That's a term of endearment. She's calling you a big boss gran jefe. She wants you all night.

On a separate note, my friend Maurice said some chicas have been calling him "Maury Cone" but he's puzzled because his last name isn't Cone.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1928262]Earlier through whatsapp I tried to negotiate a price with a Chica. She asked for 3000 pesos and I countered with 1500 pesos. After a minute or so she called me a mamaguevo. I don't understand?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1928456]That's a term of endearment. She's calling you a big boss gran jefe. She wants you all night..[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this? If you do a search you find things like this: "Mamahuevo, spanish for cocksucker, used in Dominican Republic". Sounds more like an insult.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1928456]That's a term of endearment. She's calling you a big boss gran jefe. She wants you all night.

On a separate note, my friend Maurice said some chicas have been calling him "Maury Cone" but he's puzzled because his last name isn't Cone.[/QUOTE]You are killing me! You are as funny as Boricua, always understandably English! By the way, I love "maury cone" - a term of endearment derived from Maricon!

To others, yes "mama" (suck) and "guebo" (dick) does refer to probably not something very polite but as Parkinsons notes, you never know with women, it could have been a term of endearment, jajaja!

I've been called that by this pair of mafioso hags that operate in the late hours on Calle Dr. Rosen (where Terra Linda and NG are located) who prey on solitary mongers returning to their rooms.

They will approach you, and by all accounts, distract you by grabbing hold of your family jewels and tag team a heist of your valuables.

The only time they tried to pull that on me, I forcefully knocked their arms away and secured my getaway only to be met with a shout out to Mr. Cone!

This shit gets hilarious sometimes!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1928456]That's a term of endearment. She's calling you a big boss gran jefe. She wants you all night.

On a separate note, my friend Maurice said some chicas have been calling him "Maury Cone" but he's puzzled because his last name isn't Cone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1928456]

On a separate note, my friend Maurice said some chicas have been calling him "Maury Cone" but he's puzzled because his last name isn't Cone.[/QUOTE]Parkinson es loco. Jajajajaja.

Mamar = to suck; mamahuevo = ball sucker. The verb 'mamar' is used for nursing at the tit, so as opposed to 'chupar' which also means to suck, it nicely infantilizes the recipient of the insult. I like it.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1928531]Mamar = to suck; mamahuevo = ball sucker. The verb 'mamar' is used for nursing at the tit, so as opposed to 'chupar' which also means to suck, it nicely infantilizes the recipient of the insult. I like it.[/QUOTE]In Dominican and Puerto Rican slang "guebo" means the male genitals and is derived from "huevo" (egg). This expression can safely be translated as "cocksucker".

Thanks Gentleman for the response and translation. Who knew she felt that insulted.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1928484]I've been called that by this pair of mafioso hags that operate in the late hours on Calle Dr. Rosen (where Terra Linda and NG are located) who prey on solitary mongers returning to their rooms.

They will approach you, and by all accounts, distract you by grabbing hold of your family jewels and tag team a heist of your valuables.

The only time they tried to pull that on me, I forcefully knocked their arms away and secured my getaway only to be met with a shout out to Mr. Cone!

This shit gets hilarious sometimes![/QUOTE]I reported on these two bitches a while ago, they came after me and my wingman. The ***** that ran up on me had her hand on my brand new Iphone in my pocket before I could step away from her, I slapped her on the forearm and she backed off proclaiming that she wasn't a thief, hahaha. As soon as I realized what was going on I yelled out to my wing who is elderly and was walking behind me and he pushed his ***** away from him and she took off.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1928456]That's a term of endearment. She's calling you a big boss gran jefe. She wants you all night.

On a separate note, my friend Maurice said some chicas have been calling him "Maury Cone" but he's puzzled because his last name isn't Cone.[/QUOTE]Parkinsons is right. In the morning, if the sex was great, she might even call you guebon / huevon, which means you don't have to pay for anything.

My question is, what is the correct way to write guebo? As we know the Dominican way isn't necessarily the correct way to write Spanish. Is it guebo with or without umlaut (those two dots above u)? If there is English word for umlaut, please educate me.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1928751]Parkinsons is right. In the morning, if the sex was great, she might even call you guebon / huevon, which means you don't have to pay for anything.

My question is, what is the correct way to write guebo? As we know the Dominican way isn't necessarily the correct way to write Spanish. Is it guebo with or without umlaut (those two dots above u)? If there is English word for umlaut, please educate me.[/QUOTE]Does Spanish even use the umlaut? In any case it is just pronounced the usual Dominican way and the vowel sound rhymes with "huevo" so there is no need for an umlaut.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1928809]Does Spanish even use the umlaut? In any case it is just pronounced the usual Dominican way and the vowel sound rhymes with "huevo" so there is no need for an umlaut.[/QUOTE]Spanish uses the two-dot symbol to modify the sound of a consonant. For example, in "guerra" (war) the "you" makes the "g" voiced and hard before an "e", otherwise it would be sounded as an "h" , as in "gente". But in words like "guachiman" (Dominican slang for nightwatchman) there are two dots above the "you" to change "gu" to a "gw" sound.

(The irritating spelling-correction software here will not allow me to actually print the two-dot symbol, even using ASCII code, and changes the single letter to "you".)

[QUOTE=Nordico;1928751]If there is English word for umlaut, please educate me.[/QUOTE]
There is not, because when English uses one vowel to modify the sound of another, it prints both. German used to until relatively recently, when it adopted the use of umlauts to show a modified vowel instead of printing the second vowel.

When typing German on a keyboard without the umlaut letters, you should restore the second vowel.

Confusingly, the printers name for the two-dot symbol is "diaeresis", but real diaereses have exactly the opposite effect. They force vowels which we would normally combine to be sounded separately in an additional syllable. For example "Noel", if it has two dots above the "e", is pronounced as two syllables.

Testing to see if the umlaut works when I type güero. It does. The letter 'g' has the most complicated pronunciation rules of any single letter in Spanish. I believe it is the only one that requires analyzing both the following letter and the preceding letter. Another common words that uses the umlaut is 'bilingüe. '.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1928905]Testing to see if the umlaut works when I type gero.[/QUOTE]Look, the letter with umlaut disappears even when I just copy and paste! I am too old to grapple with the mysteries of cyberspace.

Yep, and the diacritic marks all go away if you try to edit your post. I have my computer set up for English, Spanish, and Italian keyboards, so that's why it works for me on initial posting. But if you ever want to edit your post, you have to replace all the diacritic marks. [b]At[/b] I just put an ampersand in front of this sentence using ASCII codes. Let's see if that works.

It changed the ampersand to the word 'at' but I think that is a separate issue from ASCII. Let's put in some more ASCII and see what happens.

ñ ¿ î

Should be an 'n' with a tilde, an upside down question mark, and an 'i' with a circonflex.

So ASCII seems to work, at least on initial posting.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1928826] For example "Noel", if it has two dots above the "e", is pronounced as two syllables.[/QUOTE]Good post, thanks for the lesson.

Regarding Noel, any reason why Sir Coward is often spelt with the two dots but Gallagher of Oasis never? Is that just a personal preference, as far as I know they're both pronounced the same way, Noel as in "towel" and not as in "Papa Noel".

Sir Coward's name has the dots and so is pronounced NO-well, stressing the first syllable, whereas the Spanish phrase Papá No-WELL has the stress on the last syllable as follows from the Spanish pronunciation rule: stress the end syllable unless the word ends in a vowel, 'e' or 's.' English, being an inferior language, has no such helpful rules. You can tell from any Spanish word how it's pronounced, assuming all the diacritic marks are used correctly; the marks are there to override the general rule, or sometimes to distinguish two identically spelled and pronounced words that have different meanings ('se' and 'sé,' or 'de' and 'dé,' for example). Unfortunately the same is not true for English or Italian. You see an Italian word like 'sinistra' and you don't know whether it is sin-EES-tra or SIN-ees-tra, as you would know in Spanish.

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I wanted to share an interesting phonomenon I have discovered in Germany. There are a large number of Dominican women working in the brothels there.

I travel to Germany alot and always visit the brothels (not FKK's but rather houses where each girl has a room). These brothels are at least 80% Dominicanas. Most of them live in Spain but ocassionally they will live in Germany. They never stay in one brothel but rather travel around Germany from one brothel to the next and then go back to where there home is which is, most of the time, Barcelona or Madrid. Up until my last visit, these women are not hardened pros. They tend to really open up to you when you speak Spanish to them and talk about SD, Sosua etc. Then once they start talking about their kids they really start to feel comfortable with you. The service has been top notch compared to anything I have ever received in the DR. German men, who are the majority of their clients, are known for not being kind to these women. Not abusive in that sense but they really look at them as w**ores. This is what I have been told by the ladies over and over again. They are never clock watchers and will give you an hour for 50 Euros (even though it is supposed to be 15 minutes for 50 Euros). I have even had one of them invite me back to the brothel and had me eat lunch in her room with her.

The last Dominicana I met was the rare exception. She was a hardened pro though she was very cute. But then she told me she was from Santiago and I figured she had probably worked in the past in Sosua given its proximity to Santiago. She was a clock watcher and was was a wham bam and get out.

This was the first time I had experienced this with any of the Dominicanas here.

I have attached a photo of her. She was not a bad person. Just reminded me a little of the Sosua women I have encountered in the past. If you check out websites like [URL]http://www.augsburg-models.com/present/meins[/URL], 24391,10286933 you will always see a Dominicana though they always list on the website that they are from Brazil for some reason.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;1930235] you will always see a Dominicana though they always list on the website that they are from Brazil for some reason.[/QUOTE]Gee, I just can't imagine why they would do that. Maybe, just maybe, it's because Brazilian women have a well-deserved reputation for being great in bed and dominicanas have a well-deserved reputation for being clockwatchers and thieves? Or perhaps it is because as soon as you start to fuck a dominicana she starts to say 'Terminastes? Terminastes? Ya terminastes?'

But then again, it could simply be that their Spanish is so fucking bad they don't think anyone would believe it was their native language. BTW nationalities are not capitalized in Spanish so it is [I]dominicana[/I] and not [I]Dominicana[/I].

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1930309]Gee, I just can't imagine why they would do that. Maybe, just maybe, it's because Brazilian women have a well-deserved reputation for being great in bed and dominicanas have a well-deserved reputation for being clockwatchers and thieves? Or perhaps it is because as soon as you start to fuck a dominicana she starts to say 'Terminastes? Terminastes? Ya terminastes?'

But then again, it could simply be that their Spanish is so fucking bad they don't think anyone would believe it was their native language. BTW nationalities are not capitalized in Spanish so it is [I]dominicana[/I] and not [I]Dominicana[/I].[/QUOTE]Wow! Really?

Pray tell us your screen name again? What was that?

Hello Gentlemen,

I would like to thank you all for your insight and wisdom on this board. My cousin and I lived out stay in Sosua except for the final night. I didn't fully understand how corrupt the people could be until the final evening.

The night we before our departure my cousin and I went out and ended up in the casino after Clasico closed. We were both approached by Chicas. I saw one chica earlier that caught my eye that I wanted. My cousin told me to leave her alone because to him she looked like "garbage". What he really meant was that she had no ass and was flat chested (whatever). I didn't heed his warning.

He took his chica to the room and I on the other hand went to grab a quick bite from the food cart. After downing the meal my chica and I left for the room. When I get to my hotel the chica goes straight to the seguridad and they speak briefly. Then I go into the office to check her in. The office manager tell me something strange. He says that she cannot stay the evening. That was never in my plan so I said ok.

Earlier we agreed upon a set price of 1500 only after I walked away from her initial request of 3000 pesos. As we make our way into the room my cousin stops in mid act along with his Chica. My cousins chica looks uneasy. So once my date goes in the bathroom my cousin chica proceeds to tell me to hid all my belongs and stuff her purse in our safe. I chuckled a bit and complied. My chica comes out and we proceed to CBJ but she wouldn't lick the jewels. During our mesh session she complained about hurting (only when she felt an orgasm coming).

After the mesh I gave her the agreed upon amount. She then flips and says it was 2500 pesos. We argue and she walked away with 2 k. As I walked her to the gate she slips the guard some money. Then she jumps on the Moto and rides off. I gave the security guard a look that said, " If this was the states I would fuck you up". The guard turned away from my steely glare. I walked away knowing I was taken for a ride.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1930378]Hello Gentlemen,

I would like to thank you all for your insight and wisdom on this board. My cousin and I lived out stay in Sosua except for the final night. I didn't fully understand how corrupt the people could be until the final evening.

The night we before our departure my cousin and I went out and ended up in the casino after Clasico closed. We were both approached by Chicas. I saw one chica earlier that caught my eye that I wanted. My cousin told me to leave her alone because to him she looked like "garbage". What he really meant was that she had no ass and was flat chested (whatever). I didn't heed his warning.

He took his chica to the room and I on the other hand went to grab a quick bite from the food cart. After downing the meal my chica and I left for the room. When I get to my hotel the chica goes straight to the seguridad and they speak briefly. Then I go into the office to check her in. The office manager tell me something strange. He says that she cannot stay the evening. That was never in my plan so I said ok.

Earlier we agreed upon a set price of 1500 only after I walked away from her initial request of 3000 pesos. As we make our way into the room my cousin stops in mid act along with his Chica. My cousins chica looks uneasy. So once my date goes in the bathroom my cousin chica proceeds to tell me to hid all my belongs and stuff her purse in our safe. I chuckled a bit and complied. My chica comes out and we proceed to CBJ but she wouldn't lick the jewels. During our mesh session she complained about hurting (only when she felt an orgasm coming).

After the mesh I gave her the agreed upon amount. She then flips and says it was 2500 pesos. We argue and she walked away with 2 k. As I walked her to the gate she slips the guard some money. Then she jumps on the Moto and rides off. I gave the security guard a look that said, " If this was the states I would fuck you up". The guard turned away from my steely glare. I walked away knowing I was taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. Casual visitors need to be aware of this stuff.

Point and click mongering with a stranger is a roll of the dice.

At least your cousin's chica put you wise to the "mafiosa", so obviously they are not all the same!

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1930378]Hello Gentlemen,

I would like to thank you all for your insight and wisdom on this board.

After the mesh I gave her the agreed upon amount. She then flips and says it was 2500 pesos. We argue and she walked away with 2 k. As I walked her to the gate she slips the guard some money. Then she jumps on the Moto and rides off. I gave the security guard a look that said, " If this was the states I would fuck you up". The guard turned away from my steely glare. I walked away knowing I was taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]I'm lost why are you upset with the guard did he help you pick your chica. Management had respected you in allowing obviously a troubled girl to accompany you. You never thought to question them why she couldn't stay all night. No you were thinking with your dick. We all do sometimes when we have zeroed in on our kills. She obviously was out of normal grace with that hotel and security. Security didn't convince you to give in to her payment. You didn't go to them complaining about her. When chicas are not in good grace they often tip security because he's the first line of defense in getting back in good grace. You got upset when you saw what she did with the money you gave her freely. I know sometimes - well a lot of times we don't want any problems over 12 bucks. However you must understand that when a chica flips the price on you she is trying you. Somewhere in her understanding of the business she in she thought you were weak and can be played. Since you gave in she was correct and you only reinforced her behavior. She made you pay for the tip for the security guard. What do you think he is going to do the next time he sees her. Now had you a problem with her and complain to him and he did nothing to help correct the problem I can understand your hostilities. Good thing she didn't steal anything and the learning experience only cost you five hundred pesos. I don't think you were really upset about the money after all you did take her to get something to eat and drink. I wouldn't have even walked her to pick up her ID had she flipped on me . Next time I know you will be prepared four chicas like her.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1930378]Hello Gentlemen,

I would like to thank you all for your insight and wisdom on this board. My cousin and I lived out stay in Sosua except for the final night. I didn't fully understand how corrupt the people could be until the final evening.

The night we before our departure my cousin and I went out and ended up in the casino after Clasico closed. We were both approached by Chicas. I saw one chica earlier that caught my eye that I wanted. My cousin told me to leave her alone because to him she looked like "garbage". What he really meant was that she had no ass and was flat chested (whatever). I didn't heed his warning.

He took his chica to the room and I on the other hand went to grab a quick bite from the food cart. After downing the meal my chica and I left for the room. When I get to my hotel the chica goes straight to the seguridad and they speak briefly. Then I go into the office to check her in. The office manager tell me something strange. He says that she cannot stay the evening. That was never in my plan so I said ok.

Earlier we agreed upon a set price of 1500 only after I walked away from her initial request of 3000 pesos. As we make our way into the room my cousin stops in mid act along with his Chica. My cousins chica looks uneasy. So once my date goes in the bathroom my cousin chica proceeds to tell me to hid all my belongs and stuff her purse in our safe. I chuckled a bit and complied. My chica comes out and we proceed to CBJ but she wouldn't lick the jewels. During our mesh session she complained about hurting (only when she felt an orgasm coming).

After the mesh I gave her the agreed upon amount. She then flips and says it was 2500 pesos. We argue and she walked away with 2 k. As I walked her to the gate she slips the guard some money. Then she jumps on the Moto and rides off. I gave the security guard a look that said, " If this was the states I would fuck you up". The guard turned away from my steely glare. I walked away knowing I was taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]No tits, no ass, hurt when you had sex, and they didn't want her in the hotel overnight? Did you see her cedula and verify that it was in fact hers and the date of birth. You might want to report your suspicions to the embassy of your country.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1930309]Or perhaps it is because as soon as you start to fuck a dominicana she starts to say 'Terminastes? Terminastes? Ya terminastes?'
[/QUOTE]I've only heard them say "Leche Papi..leche". Translates to the same thing though ("hurry up and cum so I can get back on the street and make some more pesos".

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1930672] "Leche Papi..leche". [/QUOTE]The single reason why the DR is among the lowest in my mongering destination choices.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1930492]. Somewhere in her understanding of the business she in she thought you were weak and can be played. Since you gave in she was correct and you only reinforced her behavior. She made you pay for the tip for the security guard. What do you think he is going to do the next time he sees her. Now had you a problem with her and complain to him and he did nothing to help correct the problem I can understand your hostilities. Good thing she didn't steal anything and the learning experience only cost you five hundred pesos. I don't think you were really upset about the money after all you did take her to get something to eat and drink. I wouldn't have even walked her to pick up her ID had she flipped on me . Next time I know you will be prepared four chicas like her.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't jump all over a newbie monger, who shares a bad trip with us. His post was about how he learned his lesson. We all coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Hotels don't all allow putas to come and go to your room unescorted, so just kicking her outside your room and locking the door, is generally not an option. It's also not polite to the other hotel guests, if she starts screaming and banging on the door. (Vets have heard that before). LOL

A couple things. Once they flip, you have to swallow your ego and man up that YOU have made an error in judgement. Once you can deal with that blow to your ego, LOL, the idea is to solve the problem in the most beneficial way for you. You are on vacation, so what is a few bucks to make the problem go away?

The alternative, confrontation, possible escalation to soap opera drama, involving security, hotel management and even the cops, in the middle of the night, over a couple dollars is not recommended, especially if alcohol (or even drugs) is involved, but it's your choice. If you care if some dysfunctional puta thinks you are "weak", you have a problem with ego, insecurity, self esteem, whatever. I would be pissed only if the sex session was not worth it!

I'd rather a puta hi five me on the street after leaching $10 the night before, than having her and her friends looking for my ass.

What works for me.

I come from Europe. Hotels, restaurants and bars, were originally public houses hosted by families that cared for the enjoyment and safety of their guests.

I still cultivate that concept and relationship, by spending my money in the same bars, hotels, and restaurants (its a small town) developing a familiar and familia relationship. Once they know you are not an asshole, they'll take your side in any little problem you might have. They'll throw a trouble maker out. If they throw YOU out, you know who the asshole is. LOL.

Remember, the guys that have the most trouble in Sosua are those that believe the locals are all skanks, thieves and criminals, and paint them all with the same brush. Sosua is definitely NOT for them!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1930706]The single reason why the DR is among the lowest in my mongering destination choices.[/QUOTE]In the olden days, "Leche, papi, leche. " would have been considered a turn on, equivalent to today's, "Come for me, baby". Not generally heard from frigid wives. LOL.

I think this might help to understand why a lot of new hotel and real estate construction is taking place in Sosua and why you see some old resorts built in the past abandoned. The new guys have gotten big tax breaks and have a lot of influence:

After the 70's, the tourism sector with its breakthrough (in 1980 the first hotel in the country Playa Dorada opens), promoted to major economic lines as industries, animal husbandry and agriculture were head seduced by the generous bonanzas of this.

Check the second half of the 90's, "South Florida" as they used to call Puerto Plata, entered an economic depression when other countries in the region were lifting flight in tourism, coinciding with the crisis of basic services in the city among which we can cite the lack of electricity (darkness reigned throughout the city), the rise in crime, and the many problems generating tourism groups such as transport (taxis) the National police and hustlers, prostitutes and Sanky entindase Pankis, and fraud linked to deterioration of hoteliers.

While it is true that all this was enough to make decayed the first tourist center in the country as it was then, "La Tacita de Plata", no less certain that the death blow came on 9th of October 2001, when Law 158-01 on tourist incentive, which came with the aim of promoting tourism development in the poles of low growth and new poles in provinces and localities of great potential was adopted.

To accomplish those purposes, that Act raised the tax exemption for all matters relating to the construction and renovation of tourism infrastructure, however, completely exclude Puerto Plata of these benefits.

This is summarized in that all that was built in the tourist order in Puerto Plata had the obligation to pay taxes instead, while the builders, for example in Bavaro and Punta Cana, were excluded from any payment; is hence the debacle of tourism and the great economic crisis has certain date.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1930378]Hello Gentlemen,

I the chica goes straight to the seguridad and they speak briefly. Then I go into the office to check her in. The office manager tell me something strange. He says that she cannot stay the evening. .
As I walked her to the gate she slips the guard some money. Then she jumps on the Moto and rides off. I gave the security guard a look that said, " If this was the states I would fuck you up". The guard turned away from my steely glare. I walked away knowing I was taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]Which hotel was this?

[URL]http://noticiaspop.com.do/alcaldesa-ilana-neumann-no-se-puede-seguir-promoviendo-sosua-destino-sexual/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1930716]I wouldn't jump all over a newbie monger, who shares a bad trip with us. His post was about how he learned his lesson. We all coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Hotels don't all allow putas to come and go to your room unescorted, so just kicking her outside your room and locking the door, is generally not an option. It's also not polite to the other hotel guests, if she starts screaming and banging on the door. (Vets have heard that before). LOL

A couple things. Once they flip, you have to swallow your ego and man up that YOU have made an error in judgement. Once you can deal with that blow to your ego, LOL, the idea is to solve the problem in the most beneficial way for you. You are on vacation, so what is a few bucks to make the problem go away?

The alternative, confrontation, possible escalation to soap opera drama, involving security, hotel management and even the cops, in the middle of the night, over a couple dollars is not recommended, especially if alcohol (or even drugs) is involved, but it's your choice. If you care if some dysfunctional puta thinks you are "weak", you have a problem with ego, insecurity, self esteem, whatever. I would be pissed only if the sex session was not worth it!

I'd rather a puta hi five me on the street after leaching $10 the night before, than having her and her friends looking for my ass.

What works for me.
![/QUOTE]Come on Oakie pass the Blunt.

1.) Nobody's jumping on anybody I was trying to get clarity.

2.) Who said anything about someone being unescorted. Why did you go there?

3.) The situation has nothing to do with someone's ego. But I do stand when I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].

4.) Even though we learn from his situation. I don't think the post was about learning a lesson. He was upset about the situation and I didn't know why based on the information he gave us.

5.) This is not Europe. This is the Dominican of Republic. You cannot let people run over you over there. They won't stop. They have no compassion for the victim. It only reinforces them to do it to the next guy. The chica probably thought it was cool to run game on him because the last time she ran that con; she saw the guy the next day and he gave her a high-five and foot massages. They don't respect you Rodney Dangerfield. But hey it works for you.

6.) I agree with you one must first deal with the man in the mirror about the situation he's currently in. However I don't think it's someone "ego" when they stand up to someone trying to con them.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1930716]A couple things. Once they flip, you have to swallow your ego and man up that YOU have made an error in judgement.
If you care if some dysfunctional puta thinks you are "weak", you have a problem with ego, insecurity, self esteem, whatever.[/QUOTE]One day mfs are saying you shouldn't be prejudice towards the poor little hookers and the next they are admonishing the monger for judging her incorrectly when it comes to him getting ripped off. It is definitely always the monger's fault when some dysfunctional hooker flips on him. When is it ever the fault of the dysfunctional hooker? I guess there will always be SIMPathizers and others who are wiser.

[QUOTE=Revere;1930870][URL]http://noticiaspop.com.do/alcaldesa-ilana-neumann-no-se-puede-seguir-promoviendo-sosua-destino-sexual/[/URL][/QUOTE]She is probably oblivious of what is happening in the neighbourhood: [URL]http://www.secretflying.com/2016/fort-lauderdale-to-many-cuban-cities-for-only-129-roundtrip/.[/URL] I'll give a ballpark of $10 million a year of direct foreign 'investment' dropped in SOS. All related to pussy chasing. Families who do come to SOS now don't care about the scene. Families who choose other destinations do it for reasons other than this special character of the town.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1930902]Come on Oakie pass the Blunt.

1.) Nobody's jumping on anybody I was trying to get clarity.

2.) Who said anything about someone being unescorted. Why did you go there?

3.) The situation has nothing to do with someone's ego. But I do stand when I ......(codeword)

4.) Even though we learn from his situation. I don't think the post was about learning a lesson. He was upset about the situation and I didn't know why based on the information he gave us.

5.) This is not Europe. This is the Dominican of Republic. You cannot let people run over you over there. They won't stop. They have no compassion for the victim. It only reinforces them to do it to the next guy. The chica probably thought it was cool to run game on him because the last time she ran that con; she saw the guy the next day and he gave her a high-five and foot massages. They don't respect you Rodney Dangerfield. But hey it works for you.

6.) I agree with you one must first deal with the man in the mirror about the situation he's currently in. However I don't think it's someone "ego" when they stand up to someone trying to con them.[/QUOTE]Relax, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

We are talking third world putas here.

I'm only interested in fucking them, not getting down in the dirt trying to argue with them, or who said what, in broken Spanish. I'll leave that to you guys.

Not worth my time!

Anyone who invites a stranger (who maybe crazy) to their room should be prepared for varying mileage. And be able to write the odd glich off to experience without the drama.

I'm tired of seeing johns around my hotel with chica's they can't handle, getting everybody and anybody involved. Disturbs my peace!

But, some love the drama, I guess, and they say they do it for the benefit of the "next guy?

You need a mask and a cape,. Pal! .

Whatever!

By the way, is it you who gives "foot massages" to putas who rip you off? Where the hell did THAT come from?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1930932]One day mfs are saying you shouldn't be prejudice towards the poor little hookers and the next they are admonishing the monger for judging her incorrectly when it comes to him getting ripped off. It is definitely always the monger's fault when some dysfunctional hooker flips on him. When is it ever the fault of the dysfunctional hooker? I guess there will always be SIMPathizers and others who are wiser.[/QUOTE]Be careful patting a stray dog!

Not necessarily the same as hugging your pet! :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1930725]In the olden days, "Leche, papi, leche. " would have been considered a turn on, equivalent to today's, "Come for me, baby". Not generally heard from frigid wives. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL, "come for me, baby". I get that a lot here in the States and it does not turn me on one bit. It means basically the same, that they would like me to come already. However, paying $300 for the hour they're not going to be as obnoxious as the DR hookers.

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[QUOTE=Revere;1933645][URL]http://www.sosuanews.mobi/index.php?id=4566[/URL][/QUOTE]"The mayor said that Sosúa has a lot to offer as a family resort. A beautiful beach, a paradise for diving," From this statement alone I have to question anything the mayor says. She is definitely not a diver because Sosua has to be one of the shittiest dive spots that I have ever been to.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1931119]Relax, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

We are talking third world putas here.

I'm only interested in fucking them, not getting down in the dirt trying to argue with them, or who said what, in broken Spanish. I'll leave that to you guys.

Not worth my time!

Anyone who invites a stranger (who maybe crazy) to their room should be prepared for varying mileage. And be able to write the odd glich off to experience without the drama.

[/QUOTE]Because so many Sosua chica play this little game, I always get fully dressed before it's time to pay. There's a very high chance that the girl will demand more money even if she's been otherwise great. At the first sign of trouble, I take an aggressive and hostile tone. No argument, just "no mas dinero" and "leave now". This works consistently.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1933669]"The mayor said that Sosa has a lot to offer as a family resort. A beautiful beach, a paradise for diving," From this statement alone I have to question anything the mayor says. She is definitely not a diver because Sosua has to be one of the shittiest dive spots that I have ever been to.[/QUOTE]No, it's not worth a damn as a dive spot. However, it's the mayor saying this, and part of her job is to fluff Sosua as a tourist destination.

She should probably mention the kite-surfing right next door in Cabarete as that is indeed world-class.

[QUOTE=Combo;1933721]No, it's not worth a damn as a dive spot. However, it's the mayor saying this, and part of her job is to fluff Sosua as a tourist destination.

She should probably mention the kite-surfing right next door in Cabarete as that is indeed world-class.[/QUOTE]Scuba is fair to to below average, too bad, some what over fished and no pier, just boats brought up on the beach. I got turned off by too many hard core hookers and anti puta ways of the city. Final straw was when they would not let the putas hang out at NG pool area during the day. In the past more of friendly atmosphere with the putas at the hotels, now only take in. If Sosua mayor wants to turn it into a Cozumel, she must be smoking something.

Once you learn the ropes in Sosua the hard core girls become your buddies. They understand that you will not be seduced by them and only ask for the occasional presidente. They can be entertaining and informative. Truth be told if a hardcore girl wants to fuck you they can more then hold their own. In my experience the best sex is rarely with the finest looking chicas. On my next trip I may not visit Sosua but wife up with some of my long term amigas. Nothing concrete but sex with girls you know is often much better.

Aside from girls in Sosua I like eating at Baileys. Hanging with Bros and dancing in Classicos while buzzed.

My alternate plan is to go to SD and import 3 of my amigas wifing up. Going to the movies, malls and discos is fun but getting the occasional 18 year old pussy trumps much of what SD can offer. I am still weighing my options. I spend over 100 dollars a day on sex when in Sosua. When wifing up 2 pops a day is minimal. With Sosua current setup one day there may suffice.

[QUOTE=Mose;1933757]Scuba is fair to to below average, too bad, some what over fished and no pier, just boats brought up on the beach. I got turned off by too many hard core hookers and anti puta ways of the city. Final straw was when they would not let the putas hang out at NG pool area during the day. In the past more of friendly atmosphere with the putas at the hotels, now only take in. If Sosua mayor wants to turn it into a Cozumel, she must be smoking something.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KConstant;1933716]Because so many Sosua chica play this little game, I always get fully dressed before it's time to pay. There's a very high chance that the girl will demand more money even if she's been otherwise great. At the first sign of trouble, I take an aggressive and hostile tone. No argument, just "no mas dinero" and "leave now". This works consistently.[/QUOTE]Good advice! Hard to be macho or dominant buck nekid, or with your pants down around your ankles. LOL.

We should all remember the universal truth about messing with women. Whether, (1) wife, (2) GF, or (3) hooker, it's something we sometimes forget in the heat of the moment.

The exit strategy!

Without one, you could lose your (1) assets, (2) freedom or (3) your cool.

Some wise man here once said, "We don't pay to fuck them, we pay them to leave".

Words to monger by!

I believe these are his words LOL.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1933895]
Some wise man here once said, "We don't pay to fuck them, we pay them to leave".
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1934032]I believe these are his words LOL.[/QUOTE]Credit to Charlie!

Things are slow here, so we get a little repetitive sometimes. Like:

"10 things the putas don't need to know!"

1 Where're you from?

2 Is this your first time?

4 Where are you staying?

5 How long you here?

6 What airline did you come in on?

7 When do you leave?

8 What's your name?

.........

[QUOTE=Oakie;1933895]

Some wise man here once said, "We don't pay to fuck them, we pay them to leave".

Words to monger by![/QUOTE]Who was it that said "If it flies, floats or fucks, then don't own it. Rent it!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1934137]Who was it that said "If it flies, floats or fucks, then don't own it. Rent it![/QUOTE]For a frequent renter, sometimes leasing can be a decent option?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1934334]For a frequent renter, sometimes leasing can be a decent option?[/QUOTE]No. Because the whole idea behind the saying is to avoid maintenance charges, which can be a killer for planes, boats and women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1934339]No. Because the whole idea behind the saying is to avoid maintenance charges, which can be a killer for planes, boats and women.[/QUOTE]I sad "sometimes".

Like sometimes renting everything by the day can be a budget and time killer too.

Trick is to be flexible and smart!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1934420]I sad "sometimes".

Like sometimes renting everything by the day can be a budget and time killer too.

Trick is to be flexible and smart![/QUOTE]But, when you marry it. You do own it and I think that's what the expression refers to. And it becomes the most expensive pussy there is. You have to house it, cloth it, feed it, listen to its pathetic mewing, and otherwise constantly attend to it. Plus you must constantly buy it lots of costly shit, that immediately assumes a resale price of what you could find it for in a garage sale. I can tell you from personal experience. And yes the ex had an awesome velvet cooze from the rear entry aspect. But, it came with a premium and a brutal early cancellation fee known as "monthly child support".

So, how could we "lease" it? I know in some Muslim nations, you can get a "contract marriage" that is good for a specific period of time. It is controversial in the Muslim world as a means of legitimizing prostitution. In any case, I'd never walk off that cliff.

We are dealing with real people. We all need to not just think of ourselves but also think about others. Most of us get to go home and have a nice life while we leave the others here.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1934513]But, when you marry it. You do own it and I think that's what the expression refers to. And it becomes the most expensive pussy there is. You have to house it, cloth it, feed it, listen to its pathetic mewing, and otherwise constantly attend to it. Plus you must constantly buy it lots of costly shit, that immediately assumes a resale price of what you could find it for in a garage sale. I can tell you from personal experience. And yes the ex had an awesome velvet cooze from the rear entry aspect. But, it came with a premium and a brutal early cancellation fee known as "monthly child support".

So, how could we "lease" it? I know in some Muslim nations, you can get a "contract marriage" that is good for a specific period of time. It is controversial in the Muslim world as a means of legitimizing prostitution. In any case, I'd never walk off that cliff.[/QUOTE]We are talking allegories here, so don't take everything so literally.

I both "rent", (point and click monger), and I "lease" (bring in a regular for the whole week) depending on my mood, and whether or not I'm travelling alone, or with a buddy.

It's perfect for me! Economical and guaranteed satisfaction, always a great vacation, because it involves local family and friends, parties and picnics, not just mechanical fucking!

I'll be posting my latest report soon. May be more renting than leasing this time, but I play it by ear!

(Before y'all run off with the usual strawmen, be advised I do NOT pay for pussy, unless I am down there actually on it!)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1934759](Before y'all run off with the usual strawmen, be advised I do NOT pay for pussy, unless I am down there actually on it!)[/QUOTE]Understood, friend.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1934513]But, when you marry it. You do own it and I think that's what the expression refers to. And it becomes the most expensive pussy there is. You have to house it, cloth it, feed it, listen to its pathetic mewing, and otherwise constantly attend to it. [/QUOTE]That I know of, most universities in the US have about 50% enrollment numbers for women; If it were not for the enforcement of equality, it could very well be 70% for women. Most women have jobs unlike in the last century and if there is any money paid, after the "separation", it is usually for the children that presumably the males contributed to conceiving. Indeed in a certain section of a number of societies, it is the women who are the breadwinners, while the males are ogling women passing by, as they have liquid or gaseous nourishment. A man feeding, housing, clothing pussy is so last century and untrue today, barring a few notable exceptions!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1934873]Most women have jobs unlike in the last century and if there is any money paid, after the "separation", it is usually for the children that presumably the males contributed to conceiving.[/QUOTE]Or could just be that she is a down-right money-hungry bytch. Johnny Depp would like to talk to you to find these "children" he supposedly has that warranted paying his ex $7MM after only being together 18 months, lmao!

[URL]http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/16/amber-heard-johnny-depp-settlement-domestic-violence-divorce/[/URL]

If it fucks, floats, or flies, then it's cheaper to rent it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1935075]Or could just be that she is a down-right money-hungry bytch. Johnny Depp would like to talk to you to find these "children" he supposedly has that warranted paying his ex $7MM after only being together 18 months, lmao!..[/QUOTE]Fallacious! It is like stating "given that Marie Antoinette eats cakes, so does the rest of the world"! The word "outlier" in statistics has been coined to explain such oddities. I and most do not move in those rarefied circles (I also would not dream of reading trash like The Sun or similar sites), and so it is not German. In any case, to rent or not is not a bone of contention here. I just would not buy the argument that men are feeding, clothing women; Indeed if anything, in certain sections of our society and in other countries, in the context of this forum, it is the other way around.

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[QUOTE=Revere;1935574][URL]http://www.sosuanews.mobi/index.php?id=4570[/URL][/QUOTE]What that Rick (the guy with the American Flag Bandana)? If so, I remember him from that restaurant Mora Mai near the beach where he used to cook. When you ordered your food he would always come out and ask you how you wanted it prepared. Some of the best wings I've ever had in Sosua were at that place.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1935600]What that Rick (the guy with the American Flag Bandana)? If so, I remember him from that restaurant Mora Mai near the beach where he used to cook. When you ordered your food he would always come out and ask you how you wanted it prepared. Some of the best wings I've ever had in Sosua were at that place.[/QUOTE]Rick is the brother of the owner of Mora Mai, he had been working at Rumba before it was closed.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1935600]What that Rick (the guy with the American Flag Bandana)? If so, I remember him from that restaurant Mora Mai near the beach where he used to cook. When you ordered your food he would always come out and ask you how you wanted it prepared. Some of the best wings I've ever had in Sosua were at that place.[/QUOTE]Yep that's Rick and that's Rueben standing next to him. Rick is also the brother of Rafael whose lovely wife Alexandra owns Mauri Mauri. They are big time in Sosua and own several properties throughout. Always friendly with great food and ambiance.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1935600]What that Rick (the guy with the American Flag Bandana)? If so, I remember him from that restaurant Mora Mai near the beach where he used to cook. When you ordered your food he would always come out and ask you how you wanted it prepared. Some of the best wings I've ever had in Sosua were at that place.[/QUOTE]Is the big man next to him the bouncer from rumbas?

[QUOTE=Revere;1935621]Is the big man next to him the bouncer from rumbas?[/QUOTE]Yeah. That is Tomjackin's main man Juan.

Was looking to plan a quick trip to Sousa but come to find out my last hotel has been taken over by Asian hackers? Look at the website. Trippy stuff. Saw they were sill taking reservations by Expedia, can any one verify?

He cooked an Indian dish for me one time. His initiative made Rumba the attractive sport bar it became. Fascinating to talk to.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1935600]What that Rick (the guy with the American Flag Bandana)? If so, I remember him from that restaurant Mora Mai near the beach where he used to cook. When you ordered your food he would always come out and ask you how you wanted it prepared. Some of the best wings I've ever had in Sosua were at that place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CooleMr;1935607]Rick is the brother of the owner of Mora Mai, he had been working at Rumba before it was closed.[/QUOTE]Rumba's kitchen is being totally renovated and will reopen "soon" as a restaurant with Rick back in charge.

I've been reading this forum for years, and noticed that for the past few weeks, things are rather dead here.

I got back last night after 6 days in the mix. Here are some warnings about this post. There will be no efforts to ponder, pontificate, or philosophize what's going on in Sosua. I don't have any connections to the mayor, the police chief, or the kids who want to shine my sneakers. I won't be discussing the meaning of life or the political climate. There will be no analysis of the Spanish language or the Dominican dialect. I'm going to give it to you straight with no filter. This shit is eye witness news, not lie witness news, so take this for what it is. Cool? Run it.

Friday Night / Saturday night. Street packed. Classico's packed. Merengue Bar packed with all the chicas that didn't want to pay the admission. This is normal.

Club X. GONE.

Winners Circle. GONE.

Bourbon Street is the center of the universe for now. Packs of 4-6 chicas taking up tables and ordering a plate of fries to share so they can stay. A few roam in and try to catch your eye so that they can sit down with you. Chicas that you will have seen in the past will try to latch on to you and linger so they can stay in the restaurant and not be on the street.

Chez Mon Real renovation is finished and they are open. Lots of chicas hanging out here on the outside tables. A few chicas on the inside, but they too are ordering plates of fries to stay.

Dlatin still closed, and there were no signs of construction during the days I was there. They have taken down the high front wall and replaced it. Pic below.

Rumba is still closed, and there was no sign of activity during the day. Snapped a pic with chicken man chatting with a dude out front. Note that they moved the staircase for the upstairs part. It used to face the street, now it faces inside the restaurant.

People kept saying that the sidewalk is jacked up, but no one really says that that means. Here is what that means. Pic attached.

Cops are still picking up chicas. There seems to rhyme or reason to who they pick up. I wish they would pick up these "too young girls", pre teen street hustlers, and known pick-pockets.

The best change rate I got was 45.90 with the dude inside the cage in the Orange plaza. Considering that the bank rate is 46.06, I thought that was damn good. Most other places are changing at 45.50 or 45.60.

The Cigar bar is closed. I don't remember seeing anyone report that. Pic attached.

Schlemmer Stube (the german place) is open but only folks in there to eat. See next.

Bar Central is open, but only folks in there to drink. The Haitian embassy days are over for now. See next.

The new Haitian Embassy is City Lights. 90% of them have moved there from everywhere else they used to hang out. City Lights has a real DJ, multiple bartenders, quite a few waitresses, and some girls in uniform that dance to the DJs on the dance floor.

The beach was hot as fuck. My feet were burning from walking on the sand.

Morua Mai is still open, but closed on Tuesdays now.

Venezuelans are infiltrating Sosua. And they are asking for stupid money right off the top. Usually $100 or $125 in US.

M&M massage is still a good place to get a legit massage.

Classicos was open Friday and Saturday until 2 am. Sunday until midnight. Closed Monday night. Merengue was the spot to be in Monday night.

On the nights that things closed at midnight, the strip was cleared out by 12:15 tops. Usually by 12:12 the last bikes were pulling off.

The word is getting out about Kviar being the new spot. You got to grow a pair and get off the strip to go to Kviar. It is NOT on the strip. I rode by it on my way to Puerto Plata, but I did not return during the night when it was open.

Didn't run into any of my usual suspects while roaming around. Wrx. Mr. E. Where you at, my dudes? Haven't seen King Kong in a minute either.

FAQ's as of this trip.

Is Sosua shut down? No.

Hungry hoes got to eat, babies need pampers, sick grandmas need medicine, and bitches need Iphones and Galaxies.

Is it different from the last time you were there? Yes.

It's been different every time I've gone for the last 5 years, though. The the vibe in the air is really different. I used feel welcome when I walked around. Now I kinda just feel "tolerated".

Can you still find some pussy on the street? Yes, they are still walking around, just not on the strip for the main 2 blocks between Classico and Rumba.

You got to walk around Dr Rosen, New Garden, the ice cream shop, the Orange store, New York Pizza, Morua Mai, and the beach. But still plenty out there.

Do I need to pipeline with Tagged or DC before I go? No.

You can still find plenty of chicas when you get there.

Should you gather chicks numbers for Whatsapp? Yes.

You never know when you won't find someone on the street that you want, and you'll need to call someone over. And they WILL come over.

Are chicks really going to jail? Yes.

500 pesos and overnight in jail if they're caught.

Rockys has a ribs and chicken buffet on Friday and Saturday. I forgot how much it costs. But it was reasonable.

Did you see my favorita on the street / in the club / in the casino? Yes.

I saw her with dick in her mouth. Come on dudes. It's not your girl, it's just your turn! On another board I read, dudes be on that shit posting pics of girls and asking if anyone has seen them. Translation. They sending that cash, and want to make sure she's being loyal. Dem hoes ain't loyal!

I'm not putting anyone on blast, but I smashed this shorty a few years back. She was fresh off the boat, and I could tell. She was really shy, and I took mad pics and shit.

She's a pro now. Two or 3 times a day she changes her Whatsapp pic to one with her and a dude, or another with just him. Can anyone do the math? I saw her tonight, showed her the Whatsapp profile pic, like I do every time I see her, and her and her girlfriend just laughed. And I ask what I always ask. Donde tu novio. And she says what she always says. Solo mi amigo. And then she laughs again and asks if I want to blow her back out and take more pictures and videos.

What did everyone do after Classico and Merengue close? Go to the casino or go home.

Be careful using that strategy. The choice girls are picked early, and gone. They know there is point in rushing to come back to the strip. The only ones left going to the casino are ones you probably don't want, or are going to have a problem with.

Do I really need to start my night earlier? Yes.

That includes me. I used to take a nap and wake up around 9, go get dinner around 10 ish, be done by 11, and then start thinking about what or who I was going to do. Can't do that anymore. Got to start your night earlier.

Is sosua dead? No.

It's not dying. It's changing. You need to change too.

Final analysis. I made up my mind on this trip to start moving around. As uncomfortable as it is. Went to Santiago, tried out Passions. That joint is on some next level shit compared to the one in Sosua. Hit a few other spots. You got to come out of your comfort zone! If not, you'll be stuck with Sosua gives you. If you want to know what that's going to be like. Well. Just think about shopping at Walmart! Pic attached. Some of these mofos acting like they're doing YOU a favor!

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937506]Didn't run into any of my usual suspects while roaming around. Wrx. Mr. E. Where you at, my dudes? Haven't seen King Kong in a minute either.

FAQ's as of this trip.

Is Sosua shut down? No.

Hungry hoes got to eat, babies need pampers, sick grandmas need medicine, and bitches need Iphones and Galaxies.

Is it different from the last time you were there? Yes.

It's been different every time I've gone for the last 5 years, though. The the vibe in the air is really different. I used feel welcome when I walked around. Now I kinda just feel "tolerated".................
............................Final analysis. I made up my mind on this trip to start moving around. As uncomfortable as it is. Went to Santiago, tried out Passions. That joint is on some next level shit compared to the one in Sosua. Hit a few other spots. You got to come out of your comfort zone! If not, you'll be stuck with Sosua gives you. If you want to know what that's going to be like. Well. Just think about shopping at Walmart! Pic attached. Some of these mofos acting like they're doing YOU a favor![/QUOTE]Thanks for the "no bullshit" reports Mr Ready to Go!

All you need to know to get a feel for the place, and know what to expect!

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937506]Didn't run into any of my usual suspects while roaming around. Wrx. Mr. E. Where you at, my dudes? Haven't seen King Kong in a minute either.

FAQ's as of this trip.

Is Sosua shut down? No.

Hungry hoes got to eat, babies need pampers, sick grandmas need medicine, and bitches need Iphones and Galaxies.

Final analysis. I made up my mind on this trip to start moving around. As uncomfortable as it is. Went to Santiago, tried out Passions. That joint is on some next level shit compared to the one in Sosua. Hit a few other spots. You got to come out of your comfort zone! If not, you'll be stuck with Sosua gives you. If you want to know what that's going to be like. Well. Just think about shopping at Walmart! Pic attached. Some of these mofos acting like they're doing YOU a favor![/QUOTE]Damn good report.

I also need to break out of my comfort zone also and explore a little.

A comment and question for ReadytoGetOniIt: First, nice report. Isn't Passions in Santiago closed with the owners facing criminal charges? Have they re-opened? Not trying to be argumentative but I have not heard that they are back in business.

No, my dude. It was very much open. I've never been to Santiago, and I was sitting in the VIP area just in front of the bathroom. I was there really early, and not many girls were on the floor so I found the patio area and chilled at the grill where all the girls were eating dinner. This was Tuesday night.

I don't take it as argumentative. I've seen some posts over the years where people have posted absolute garbage. Makes me wonder if they ever left their basement. But as I said in my trip report. This is eyewitness news, not lie witness news. I don't know any politicians, police chiefs, or any of the local brouhaha. I'm just saying what I'm' seeing. I'll post a separate report in the Santiago thread for the other part of my trip.

[QUOTE=Qualude;1937800]A comment and question for ReadytoGetOniIt: First, nice report. Isn't Passions in Santiago closed with the owners facing criminal charges? Have they re-opened? Not trying to be argumentative but I have not heard that they are back in business.[/QUOTE]

I got a few PM's on the side asking the same questions, so I'll post the answers here.

Did you go anywhere else? Yes.

I set a plan to do 2 things outside my norm on this trip. I jumped in a publico to meet a friend at the airport instead of having his driver pick me up. I took another publico and went to La Sirena and the Malecon in Puerto Plata. Took another publico and went to Cabarete. And I met a dude who lives there who volunteered to drive to Santiago. On the way, he stopped by a few of his "girlfriends" houses in different barrios to show me around.

Did you drive? Fux no!

Too many warnings from the vets over the years. See last question. But I can see how driving is necessary. I'm not at peace with doing it myself yet, but will have to seriously reconsider it, or hire a driver. The drive through the mountains was some on some next level shit. You need some steel balls, and you need not go at night. But you need a car to get into the barrios and to pick up strays along the main road.

Are the girls better? Yes and no.

They are the same girls you would find in Sosua, but without the sllut wear, makeup hair and nails. And as a result, they are happy to take a fraction of what I was paying on the strip. And I'm a 1500/2000 dude. And yes, I did say FRACTION.

Did they cost the same? Yes and no.

Cabarete girls cost more, period. I didn't take any. Santiago girls cost more, but depending on your perspective. Are higher quality. As for everywhere else, the thing I found is that you can find girls who are happy to come over just. JUST FOR BUS FARE! They are happy just to be away from their barrio for a day or two.

Did you have luck with Tagged? Yes.

No one wanted to come to Sosua, though. They all wanted me to come to their town. One girl had a car, and said she would come to Sosua, but wanted me to pay to fill up her tank. That was going to be 2800 pesos, so I passed.

What was Cabarete like?

Kinda like a sleepy beach town on the north cost of Hawaii or like certain beach towns in California. Definitely a surfer vibe to the place.

Hope this helps someone.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937880] But you need a car to get into the barrios [/QUOTE]
Good report, ReadyToGetOnIt.

I have never driven or rented a car and I bet I have been [U]into[/U] as many or more barrios (and bateyes) as anyone posting here over the past ten years.

But I will admit there were a couple of occasions I wished I had a car to [U]exit[/U] a barrio or batey quickly when things started to look awkward, though on both occasions I was just being paranoid and all ended well.

I agree that picking up women roadside is a great way to find appreciative semi-pros, as I have seen when riding with friends.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1937898]I have never driven or rented a car and I bet I have been [U]into[/U] as many or more barrios (and bateyes) as anyone posting here over the past ten years.
[/QUOTE]Charles,

I am likely to be in Sosua next Saturday (9/24). Would you be available? If you are, do send me a private message with a mode of contact that gets to you quickly.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1937898]Good report, ReadyToGetOnIt.

I have never driven or rented a car and I bet I have been [U]into[/U] as many or more barrios (and bateyes) as anyone posting here over the past ten years.

But I will admit there were a couple of occasions I wished I had a car to [U]exit[/U] a barrio or batey quickly when things started to look awkward, though on both occasions I was just being paranoid and all ended well.

I agree that picking up women roadside is a great way to find appreciative semi-pros, as I have seen when riding with friends.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me the difference between a barrio and a batey? I don't know the difference, and google translate has never been of any help on batey.

We were way out in this one spot, and even with a car. If something had gone sideways, there was no getting out quickly. But like you, possibly my imagination was getting the best of me. It was kinda deep. You drive through and EVERYONE is sitting out front, looking at you, staring, pointing, etc. And the streets and potholes are so bad that you can't speed through. One way in, one way out. No lights depending on what time of day it is.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937928]And the streets and potholes are so bad that you can't speed through. One way in, one way out.[/QUOTE]That sounds like every neighborhood in DR. The one that I stay in in Puerto Plata is pretty upscale and they just recently filled in all the big ass potholes they had.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937880] I took another publico and went to La Sirena and the Malecon in Puerto Plata. [/QUOTE]There are no publicos that go to La Sirena and the malecon.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1937976]There are no publicos that go to La Sirena and the malecon.[/QUOTE]You are correct. There are no publicos that go directly to La Sirena. I hopped out of the publico on a main street, and followed my phone GPS down a street, through a playground, and around a corner to get there. The publicos don't go on the street in front of the Malecon.

I don't know you my dude, but was that necessary? Nitpicking like this is why my post count stays low.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1937976]There are no publicos that go to La Sirena and the malecon.[/QUOTE]I always take the publico to La Sirena (they drop you off in town).

I always take the plane to Puerto Plata (they drop you off in La Union).

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937982]You are correct. There are no publicos that go directly to La Sirena. I hopped out of the publico on a main street, and followed my phone GPS down a street, through a playground, and around a corner to get there. [/QUOTE]And you could have got within 5 minutes walk to La Sirena by staying on the publico on its route through town, but a fit guy would do what you did (10 minutes walk to La Sirena).

Pto Pta will soon have Jumbo, larger than La Sirena and directly on the publico route opposite the baseball stadium.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937928]Can you tell me the difference between a barrio and a batey? I don't know the difference, and google translate has never been of any help on batey.[/QUOTE]A barrio is simply an urban area, but not one which has been planned and developed as an entity (which would be an urbanizacion). Barrios in the DR are usually poor areas, but in many Spanish-speaking countries the word is neutral and can be equally used to describe elite residential areas.

A batey is a rural Haitian settlement, originally temporary to shelter extra labor taken on for the sugar harvest. Should be an accent on the "e", but the spell-checker here knows better.

El Batey is now the gringo part of Sosua, originally land given by the Haitian government to Jewish immigrants before WWII. It was poor land from which they cleared Haitian squatters.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1938188]A barrio is simply an urban area, but not one which has been planned and developed as an entity (which would be an urbanizacion). Barrios in the DR are usually poor areas, but in many Spanish-speaking countries the word is neutral and can be equally used to describe elite residential areas.

A batey is a rural Haitian settlement, originally temporary to shelter extra labor taken on for the sugar harvest. Should be an accent on the "e", but the spell-checker here knows better.

El Batey is now the gringo part of Sosua, originally land given by the Haitian government to Jewish immigrants before WWII. It was poor land from which they cleared Haitian squatters.[/QUOTE]Land given by the Haitian government? How come the Haitian government owned this land? Also the 800 or so Jews arrived between 1940 and 1945, so some may have arrived before the US was in the war, but WWII was already underway by the time anyone arrived. I think plans to receive the Jews came from an international conference in 1938, so perhaps the land was designated before the outbreak of WWII, but might not have been occupied.

A batey appears to have been somewhat equivalent to the hop-pickers huts found in Kent, England at least as recently as the 1970's. During the early part of the 20th century many poor people from the East End of London went to the country to pick hops in September as a kind of cheap form of working vacation--no doubt there were plenty of opportunities for sex and booze on late summer nights. I slept in one of those huts many years ago, using scavenged lumber and fallen branches for firewood for evening warmth and for cooking. You had to go to the farmyard for a flush toilet, but buckets of cold water for bathing were freely available both from taps and rainwater butts. Ah, those were the days.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1938188]A barrio is simply an urban area, but not one which has been planned and developed as an entity (which would be an urbanizacion). Barrios in the DR are usually poor areas, but in many Spanish-speaking countries the word is neutral and can be equally used to describe elite residential areas.

[/QUOTE]The best word to translate 'barrio' is probably neigborhood or "hood". It implies not just an urban area, but a residential area within a city. This word is used a lot in this sense the US, but not so much in the UK. In the UK the expression "in the neighborhood" just means "somewhat within walking distance of".

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1938185]

Pto Pta will soon have Jumbo, larger than La Sirena and directly on the publico route opposite the baseball stadium.[/QUOTE]Jumbo will no doubt be selling their own brand of condoms. Unfortunately publicos do not usually have enough room for large loads of groceries, but the supermarkets usually have cheap, battered, old taxis available to take people home with their purchases, although with rising affluence the parking lot at La Sirena is full of SUVs these days.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938317]... the supermarkets usually have cheap, battered, old taxis available to take people home with their purchases[/QUOTE]I use one every Wednesday. 150 pesos well spent. If the driver carries the stuff indoors for me I give him a 50 peso propina.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938237]Land given by the Haitian government? How come the Haitian government owned this land? [/QUOTE]I meant land designated by the Haitian government. No idea who actually owned it.

The Haitian President at the time was Rafael Trujillo, the US State Department's prize pupil. If he expressed a desire for your house, land, horse, wife or daughter, it was a smart idea to make him a present of them, with a gracious smile.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1938347]I meant land designated by the Haitian government. No idea who actually owned it.

The Haitian President at the time was Rafael Trujillo, the US State Department's prize pupil. If he expressed a desire for your house, land, horse, wife or daughter, it was a smart idea to make him a present of them, with a gracious smile.[/QUOTE]Pooter, old chap, I think if you look in your history books you will find that Trujillo was the Dominican President at the time, not the Haitian President, although he might have had a few Haitian chromosomes about his person. The Haitian head of state at the time was a fellow called Vincent.

Gentlemen, I am contemplating a trip to Sosua, but many reports are comparisons to the old days, which is not helpful. The only comparison of use to me is with other places like Puerto Plata.

Some of the reports imply that there are only a handful of venues and the ladies are either scammers or overcharging.

How about reports on Sosua that describe the scene as it is and not how it was?

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937982]
I don't know you my dude, but was that necessary? Nitpicking like this is why my post count stays low.[/QUOTE]It's not so much what you post, but how you spell it.

You can take any kind of drug, engage in any act of debauchery.

As long as you spell it right!

We have a zealous Board of Governors here. :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1938369]We have a zealous Board of Governors here. :)[/QUOTE]The original poster had posted a lot of "important info" and I believe Manizales who is a local resident, was merely pointing out a factual error (that I had wondered about and then ignored), should others be led to believe it because of a chest thumping claim of "eye witness" news, not that the error would impact a whole lot of Sosualites!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;1938367]Gentlemen, I am contemplating a trip to Sosua, but many reports are comparisons to the old days, which is not helpful. The only comparison of use to me is with other places like Puerto Plata.

[/QUOTE]Puerto Plata and Sosua are completely different. Sosua is small, compact, everything within a few hundred yards on foot. Sosua is very touristy, lots of hotels for you to choose from. Puerto Plata has limited choice of hotels and it is much harder, though not completely impossible, to meet chicas while walking around in the street or sitting outside bars. Puerto Plata has a few bars and clubs where you can meet chicas. Many of the chicas in Sosua live in Puerto Plata, and you can see them in the late evening catching public taxis outside the hospital in all their finery on their way to Sosua.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1938385]The original poster had posted a lot of "important info" and I believe Manizales who is a local resident, was merely pointing out a factual error (that I had wondered about and then ignored), should others be led to believe it because of a chest thumping claim of "eye witness" news, not that the error would impact a whole lot of Sosualites![/QUOTE]A new mongering report is a valuable commodity, ctrtiics are a dime a dozen!

Manz could have "augmented" the information without leaving a bad taste in my, and the posters, mouth!

You just got my vote to the Board of Governors here, but be careful y'all don't drive away the on topic posters!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1938405]You just got my vote to the Board of Governors here, but be careful y'all don't drive away the on topic posters![/QUOTE]On topic! With all due respect, there is nothing NEW that has not already been written about the blessed place! One place shuts down and another has come up, girls are plentiful or girls are all gone, stick to Sosua or no fan out and explore, that admixed with shoeshine boys, cops, politics, linguistics, sociology, economics and so forth in the slow months, as you say. This forum is just a sine curve with varying amplitude.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938361]Pooter, old chap, I think if you look in your history books you will find that Trujillo was the Dominican President at the time[/QUOTE]Oops! Slip of the senile mind.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;1938367]The only comparison of use to me is with other places like Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]When I immigrated here eight years ago I chose to live in Puerto Plata rather than Sosua or any other town and, although it turned out I did so for the wrong reasons, I have never regretted it. I would always advise single guys contemplating moving here permanently to choose Pto Pta. Better services, lower living costs, and wider choice of chicas for GFE.

However, that is a very different situation from mongers on a short trip (say less than three months). Newbie mongers and those without much Spanish are best advised to choose either Blackbeards or Sosua (or a combination of both if their stay is long enough).

Of course, as in all walks of life, if you have unlimited funds, the normal criteria do not apply. You could stay in a Pto Pta AI, take girls from Cristal and Kviar to cabanas, using private taxis, or patronize Field of Dreams. Some of our posters are in that happy position. But if those on a normal budget try to imitate them, they will come unstuck.

Hello Sir Charles,

Hope you are well. I have to respectfully disagree about Puerto Plata being all that. I've spent quality time in both the north and south coasts (just got back to the states last night) and the south coast (SD, BC, San Pedro etc) has many more options as far as women, adventures, excursions and big city type of amenities (SD has movies, parks, subway, malls etc) vs the north coast where the options are very limited.

The north coast may be more gringo friendly but IMO that's not a plus because it makes you lazy and you get into a comfort zone. Being forced to learn Spanish and the culture offer a more rewarding experience. Gringo crime is higher on the north coast vs the south coast.

I have a home in Costambar that I hate to go to. It's boring there and you will need a car to stay there.

Here's my main beef about the north coast vs the south coast; Most people on the north coast are nosy and gossiping and watching gringo. On the south coast most people have an agenda and I can blend in because I look Dominican. I can arrive in Sosua tomorrow and by tomorrow night word will have gotten to Puerto Plata that I'm there. Motochonchos, girls in salons, girls on the street all send out an SOS that gringo has arrived. It's an efficient network. The south coast people don't care. It's always people on the north coast that do nothing but sit and watch and report. The north coast has become a full time hustle on gringo because of their familiarity with us.

I guess I will now be getting slammed by guys feeling I'm attacking their beloved north coast but guys like it easy and Santo Domingo is to hard. Puerto Plata was nice five years ago before people picked up on the gringo hustle. The girls were sweeter and would invite you to their homes for a meal and to hangout. Several guys from this board can vouch about hanging in the barrio in Puerto Plata and girls putting on their good clothes to come see the gringos. Nowadays you better be careful being a gringo in the barrio in Puerto Plata.

Cristals has some raggedy girls IMO. I've been there about 10 times and never wanted any girl there especially with those inflated prices.

In closing. The south coast is an adventure with unlimited opportunities if you aren't lazy while the north coast is just a gringo hustle with a taste of what was.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937982]You are correct. There are no publicos that go directly to La Sirena. I hopped out of the publico on a main street, and followed my phone GPS down a street, through a playground, and around a corner to get there. The publicos don't go on the street in front of the Malecon.

I don't know you my dude, but was that necessary? Nitpicking like this is why my post count stays low.[/QUOTE]My intent was not to be nitpicky or anything of the sort but I can see how my post could be construed as such though and because of that I will apologize to you and the members of this board.

That said, the intention of my post was to point out to visitors to Sosua, after all this is the Sosua thread NOT the Pto Pta thread, that you in fact can not take a publico directly to La Sirena and / or the malecon, mongers in Sosua don't want to walk across the street let alone 15 minutes in the heat of the day. I also would not advise gringos to walk back to the parada after shopping carrying bright yellow La Sirena bags in Puerto Plata, eventually bad shit will happen, I know some people will argue that Pto Pta is safe for a gringo to walk in but I know better, I used to live in that immediate area.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1938425]On topic! With all due respect, there is nothing NEW that has not already been written about the blessed place! One place shuts down and another has come up, girls are plentiful or girls are all gone, stick to Sosua or no fan out and explore, that admixed with shoeshine boys, cops, politics, linguistics, sociology, economics and so forth in the slow months, as you say. This forum is just a sine curve with varying amplitude.[/QUOTE]To be fair, occasionally someone new comes in and writes a report that brings a new perspective to the board, but not often. It would be interesting to see a report from someone who was wheelchair bound, or had never paid for sex before, or who had just got out of a long term marriage, or something like that. The thing that is really missing in most of the reports is a sense of wonderment, a sense of having had a never-before experience, or just of having had a wonderful sexual experience of some kind. There is way too much about negative experiences of one kind or another. The study of linguistics, economics, etc. , though strictly off topic, is interesting because it is all about how to fine tune communication with the people you meet and have sexual experiences with.

If you just want to know where to go to find a girl, whether you can get BBBJ, and how much you might pay, there really is little to know and by reading reports and comments here you will very quickly get a feel for the general ambience of Sosua.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938692]The study of linguistics, economics, etc. , though strictly off topic, is interesting because it is all about how to fine tune communication with the people you meet and have sexual experiences with.[/QUOTE]Personally, those insights are more interesting for me for the reasons you mention. What Sosua was, is or going to be is but of academic interest that certainly is not my cuppa tea!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938692]To be fair, occasionally someone new comes in and writes a report that brings a new perspective to the board, but not often. It would be interesting to see a report from someone who was wheelchair bound, or had never paid for sex before, or who had just got out of a long term marriage, or something like that. The thing that is really missing in most of the reports is a sense of wonderment, a sense of having had a never-before experience, or just of having had a wonderful sexual experience of some kind. There is way too much about negative experiences of one kind or another. The study of linguistics, economics, etc. , though strictly off topic, is interesting because it is all about how to fine tune communication with the people you meet and have sexual experiences with.

If you just want to know where to go to find a girl, whether you can get BBBJ, and how much you might pay, there really is little to know and by reading reports and comments here you will very quickly get a feel for the general ambience of Sosua.[/QUOTE]I remember you were heavily into a conversation with a mongering couple, who turned out to be bullshitters and got banned from the board, so you have to be careful.

Otherwise, the young Victoria Minaya 22 years old, reported that last Sunday was physically assaulted by an agent of the Special Body Tourism Security (CESTUR) in the municipality of Sosúa, but also was captured without any justification, It is released Monday at noon.

According to the statement by the lady, at approximately 11:25 pm was captured by the agent CESTUR and taken handcuffed to the detachment of the institution where he was ordered to underwear (panties) are removed and that by refusing him they fired several blows to the face and other parts of your body.

The girl who was attacked by uniformed presents several bruises and contusions on his face, arms and head as stated in an official medical certificate issued in the Limardo Ricardo Hospital of Puerto Plata because as he said, in addition to the physical was verbally abused in front of other members of CESTUR in Sosúa allegedly accused her of prostitute.

[QUOTE=Revere;1939777]Otherwise, the young Victoria Minaya 22 years old, reported that last Sunday was physically assaulted by an agent of the Special Body Tourism Security (CESTUR) in the municipality of Sosa, but also was captured without any justification, It is released Monday at noon.

According to the statement by the lady, at approximately 11:25 pm was captured by the agent CESTUR and taken handcuffed to the detachment of the institution where he was ordered to underwear (panties) are removed and that by refusing him they fired several blows to the face and other parts of your body.

The girl who was attacked by uniformed presents several bruises and contusions on his face, arms and head as stated in an official medical certificate issued in the Limardo Ricardo Hospital of Puerto Plata because as he said, in addition to the physical was verbally abused in front of other members of CESTUR in Sosa allegedly accused her of prostitute.[/QUOTE]So you ran this through a translator to make it virtually incomprehensible, instead of posting a link. Why was that? Did you read your results?: "He was ordered to underwear"; "they fired several blows to ... other parts of your body"; "the [b]girl[/b] presents several bruises ... on [b]his[/b] face," etc. Was it not obvious to you that the pronouns were all mixed up?

Take the "D.A.R.E." approach and "just say no" to posting translated articles with no source. Because this really makes you look dumb!

As penance, you are hereby "ordered to underwear" for the next thirty days.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1940093]So you ran this through a translator to make it virtually incomprehensible, instead of posting a link. Why was that? Did you read your results?: "He was ordered to underwear"; "they fired several blows to ... other parts of your body"; "the [b]girl[/b] presents several bruises ... on [b]his[/b] face," etc. Was it not obvious to you that the pronouns were all mixed up?

Take the "D.A.R.E." approach and "just say no" to posting translated articles with no source. Because this really makes you look dumb!

As penance, you are hereby "ordered to underwear" for the next thirty days.[/QUOTE]I appreciate his effort. I googled her name and some more info and I was able to find the article and her Facebook. Sometimes we have to be a little innovative here.

I was thinking she might have been Venezuelan and the cops wanted some pussy but she is actually Dominican. One might wonder why she was alone on Pedro Clisante at 11 pm but her Facebook showed a very family oriented, respected lady.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1940093]So you ran this through a translator to make it virtually incomprehensible, instead of posting a link. [/QUOTE]With all due respect, I think Revere was merely doing a favor to the majority (I would think) here that do not have any Spanish and so the link alone would have been useless. Yes, the genders were all screwed up but people would make amends for that, knowing it was machine translated.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1940093]So you ran this through a translator to make it virtually incomprehensible, instead of posting a link. Why was that? Did you read your results?: "He was ordered to underwear"; "they fired several blows to ... other parts of your body"; "the [b]girl[/b] presents several bruises ... on [b]his[/b] face," etc. Was it not obvious to you that the pronouns were all mixed up?

Take the "D.A.R.E." approach and "just say no" to posting translated articles with no source. Because this really makes you look dumb!

As penance, you are hereby "ordered to underwear" for the next thirty days.[/QUOTE]The story was weaved into another story so link was not possible and did not want people to get confused and was on a plane. Not to hard to fiigurre out. If you look at my past posts I always show links, but I know you know that already you just saw a chance to be a dick when you saw my mistake. But, whatever last thing I care about is what another man thinks of me and glad my life is better than getting uptight over translation issues.

[QUOTE=Revere;1940171]The story was weaved into another story so link was not possible and did not want people to get confused and was on a plane. Not to hard to fiigurre out. If you look at my past posts I always show links, but I know you know that already you just saw a chance to be a dick when you saw my mistake. But, whatever last thing I care about is what another man thinks of me and glad my life is better than getting uptight over translation issues.[/QUOTE]Critics ara a dime a dozen!

It takes some great effort to build a barn, but an idiot with a match can burn it down in a couple seconds.

Keep on trucking Revere! Thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1938624]Hello Sir Charles,

Hope you are well, etc[/QUOTE]Hi Mr Gogo.

Thank you for your interesting post and enquiry as to my health (to which I would reply "pa pi mal", the standard Haitian response, and particularly appropriate in my case).

I assumed the OP was only interested in comparing Sosua and Puerto Plata. As he is a comparative newbie and I do not know how much Spanish he has (if any) I would not recommend SD to him, but if he wants to be brave and take the plunge, good luck to him.

As to comparing Pto Pta to SD (which was not what he was asking about) I do not think we disagree on the facts, just on our personal perceptions and requirements.

I loathe big cities and moved to the DR to get away from that life. I lived less than an hour from Central London most of my later life and very rarely visited it. If I did not want to visit London, I am hardly likely to want to spend time in a filthy, dysfunctional shithole like SD. If I do not enter a shopping mall or ride a subway for another twenty years, it will be too soon for me. As for sitting in a cinema with Dominicans, I have experienced that once. Never again.

Yes, Costambar is boring. I cannot imagine anyone why anyone would want to have a home there.

I have lived the past eight years in Pto Pta. It fills all my needs and I do not recognize it from your description. And I have never suffered the delusion that the locals are the slightest bit interested in my movements, but then I am not a legend like you. I have as little contact with locals as possible, but when I do both parties are polite, even friendly. I do keep a bit more "on my toes" in Sosua, maybe just because I do not know the local faces as well.

Yes, there are thirty times as many women in SD, but they are spread over an area thirty times greater and there are thirty times as many males as well. Anyway, how many women do we need a week? There have always been more than enough for me in Pto Pta.

Serious crime rates are much higher in SD than Pto Pta, even allowing for the greater population. The cops alone murder hundreds of people a year.

Here is a little to the killings in the DR and you will see that even though the south coast has as some here say, 30 times the people, 30 times the space, and 30 times more men that the north coast is holding its own with murders. So if you want a little hick country town that's dangerous and the ex pats sip the same hot beer all day, then maybe POP is your place. Oh! And don't forget that expensive ass airport.

[URL]http://www.dominicanwatchdog.org/dominican_news[/URL]

Anyone in the Sosua or Puerto Plata area can give me the exchange rates there now. Will be making a trip in two weeks.

[QUOTE=Revere;1940171]The story was weaved into another story so link was not possible and did not want people to get confused and was on a plane. Not to hard to fiigurre out. If you look at my past posts I always show links, but I know you know that already you just saw a chance to be a dick when you saw my mistake. But, whatever last thing I care about is what another man thinks of me and glad my life is better than getting uptight over translation issues.[/QUOTE]Hence the name "Dickhead".

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;1940788]Anyone in the Sosua or Puerto Plata area can give me the exchange rates there now. Will be making a trip in two weeks.[/QUOTE]The exchange rates could be completely different two weeks from now. Just use a site like [URL]xe.com[/URL] to get an idea of what they are like on the ground.

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;1940788]Anyone in the Sosua or Puerto Plata area can give me the exchange rates there now. Will be making a trip in two weeks.[/QUOTE]This is what a friend of mine said on the Sosua thread on TripAdvisor on September 21:

"As of yesterday the posted rate at Caribe tours in Sosua (in the Super Pola center) was 46 pesos to one dollar. "

And SavePros321 is right, the rate will be different by the time you get there. But it will likely be in the ballpark figure of 46 pesos per dollar.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1938692]To be fair, occasionally someone new comes in and writes a report that brings a new perspective to the board, but not often. It would be interesting to see a report from someone a ) who was wheelchair bound, or b) had never paid for sex before, or who had just got out of a long term marriage, or something like that.[/QUOTE]I believe this was also covered many a time:

A) Charles Pooter? (operative word being " bound ").

B) Mr. ENT? (actually the girls pay Him, so that's one better).

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[QUOTE=SavePros321;1940908]The exchange rates could be completely different two weeks from now. Just use a site like [URL]xe.com[/URL] to get an idea of what they are like on the ground.[/QUOTE]Not all money changers give official rate. It helps to know official exchange rate by checking on [URL]xe.com[/URL] and ask the money changers for their rates. In Sosua it is usually displayed on the window.

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;1940788]Anyone in the Sosua or Puerto Plata area can give me the exchange rates there now. Will be making a trip in two weeks.[/QUOTE]A street vendor and a store, near "Bon" ice cream close to New Whatever hotel, both quoted 45 pesos to a $, about an hour back. WU was closed so no idea what that is but in Santiago I got 46 pesos earlier in the week.

Dr1 dot com is a message board for expats and has a thread that documents recent exchange rates members have received in the Dr.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1940935]Not all money changers give official rate. It helps to know official exchange rate by checking on [URL]xe.com[/URL] and ask the money changers for their rates. In Sosua it is usually displayed on the window.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1940917]This is what a friend of mine said on the Sosua thread on TripAdvisor on September 21:

"As of yesterday the posted rate at Caribe tours in Sosua (in the Super Pola center) was 46 pesos to one dollar. "

And SavePros321 is right, the rate will be different by the time you get there. But it will likely be in the ballpark figure of 46 pesos per dollar.[/QUOTE]A lot of people with think a difference of one peso between 45 and 46 is insignificant, and it looks that way, but that represents more than 2% and if you are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars it all adds up if you are paying an extra 2% or maybe even 5% or more for your vacation.

An exchange rate, like an interest rate, is a price. Nothing more and nothing less. When you shop for groceries and other items, do you make a lot of effort to save 2% at the grocery store? If not, it won't matter if you save 2% on the exchange rate.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1941264]An exchange rate, like an interest rate, is a price. Nothing more and nothing less. When you shop for groceries and other items, do you make a lot of effort to save 2% at the grocery store? If not, it won't matter if you save 2% on the exchange rate.[/QUOTE]For some reason, people take exchange rates as a personal challenge in a way they would not with shop or restaurant prices.

Some guys spend 300 pesos on a taxi from El Batey to Charamicos and back to save 400 pesos and think they have somehow chalked up a big victory against the system. But they will over-tip by 500 pesos during the course of a night's drinking and think nothing of it, not to mention those who over-pay working girls by 1000 pesos and say "It's my money, I'll spend it how I want".

I remember when I was married, my wife and I took her mother on her first foreign holiday. Her main interest for 10 days was walking round different banks and cambios comparing exchange rates. People are odd.

I think there is a particular problem with Americans. The US is a vast country with hundreds of racial origins and every sort of terrain and climate type. Most Americans never need to travel abroad. They think of everything in dollars, even when they do. They regard foreign currencies with suspicion as some kind of commie conspiracy.

I had my eyes opened on my first trip to the DR which was the first time I talked to blue-collar Americans. One guy, who seemed otherwise quite intelligent and had a far more responsible and demanding job than me, complained that I had an unfair advantage as everything was half price for Brits. His reason? Brits got 60 pesos for a pound, whereas Americans only got 30 pesos for a dollar. And he was not joking.

Yes, Charles, it's true that many of us from the United States (I don't use the term "American" in reference to myself, for reasons that should be obvious but unfortunately aren't) are basically innumerate. And, we have a poor understanding of basic economics, which could lead to the disaster of Trump, since few of us can understand that the doctrine of comparative advantage has caused manufacturing jobs to disappear, not "unfavorable trade agreements. " Many of us are very culturally ignorant, know virtually no history, and are ethnocentric to a dangerous degree. We can't figure out simple things like the metric system or the Celsius scale, and we drive on the wrong side of the road.

However, we don't tend to descend [I]en masse[/I] from cheap Ryan Air flights to places like where I am now (Tallinn) and proceed to vomit in the streets. Only Brits seem to do that. I see this all over Europe. Maybe it's the fact that the beer is actually cold that does this? Or that it has more than 3% alcohol? Or that when asking for a "shandy" they get blank looks?

I've almost given up traveling with my fellow countrymen because they want me to translate the exchange rates, the metric system, the 24 hour clock (except for those who've been in the military), the fucking temperature, and all of that nonsense. Plus I usually end up driving because for some reason these rental car companies in other countries insist on sticking the gringo with the car with the manual transmission. They tend not to believe me when I tell them all the rental cars, indeed ALL the cars, period, have manual transmissions. Now, when someone says a place is 3 kilometers / kilometres away, and they ask me how far that is, I say "Three thousand meters" and walk away.

But I'm a dickhead.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1941264]An exchange rate, like an interest rate, is a price. Nothing more and nothing less. When you shop for groceries and other items, do you make a lot of effort to save 2% at the grocery store? If not, it won't matter if you save 2% on the exchange rate.[/QUOTE]Well, would you park your spare cash in a savings account paying 2% interest versus one paying 0. 2% interest, all other things being equal? I would.

Yes, indeed, for example I will buy cheaper brands of foods if they are the same quality as more expensive brands, buy gasoline where it is a bit cheaper, and so on. This does not require any effort at all. I will get cash out of my own bank's ATMs or get cash back at Walmart to avoid ATM fees. I will buy prescription glasses online to spend less, I will buy things off Amazon if that is a bit cheaper than spending gasoline and my time to go to the store. I will turn the thermostat at home up or down before leaving for work. And so on. It is all small amounts of course, but over the years it adds up to hundreds and thousands of dollars that I can save or use for something else.

Spending $300 pesos to get the taxi to Charamicos to save on exchange is self defeating, but you could get the moto for much less, and if you were going to Charamicos anyway, for example to go to Alberto's pharmacy, which is cheaper than those in Sosua, then perhaps there would be no extra expense involved.

What you really have to watch out for though, is exchange rates that are nowhere near the correct rates of exchange, like inside the airport, where you will possibly pay 15 or 20 percent over the odds, or any exchange that you are offered in hotels, where you may end up paying a surcharge equivalent to a sales tax or more.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1941390]Well, would you park your spare cash in a savings account paying 2% interest versus one paying 0. 2% interest, all other things being equal? I would.[/QUOTE]Well, of course, that is either a 90% difference or a 900% difference, so it's a bit exaggerated. And, since money is fungible, one would never see such a difference in real life, absent regulatory restrictions. Probably not your best example.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1940534]Here is a little to the killings in the DR and you will see that even though the south coast has as some here say, 30 times the people, 30 times the space, and 30 times more men that the north coast is holding its own with murders. So if you want a little hick country town that's dangerous and the ex pats sip the same hot beer all day, then maybe POP is your place. Oh! And don't forget that expensive ass airport.

[URL]http://www.dominicanwatchdog.org/dominican_news[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]http://ensegundos.do/2016/09/26/vivir-en-santo-domingo-cuesta-un-29-mas-que-en-la-region-del-cibao/[/URL]

Interesting report. Cost of living in SD is almost a third higher than in Cibao. Can it be even higher compared to the North Coast?

I like big cities and enjoy my visits to SD.

But costs can be a factor in this argument / discussion.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1941817][URL]http://ensegundos.do/2016/09/26/vivir-en-santo-domingo-cuesta-un-29-mas-que-en-la-region-del-cibao/[/URL]

Interesting report. Cost of living in SD is almost a third higher than in Cibao. Can it be even higher compared to the North Coast?

I like big cities and enjoy my visits to SD.

But costs can be a factor in this argument / discussion.[/QUOTE]So true, it's about cost but also lifestyle. I consider myself a young guy that's super energetic so I need multiple venues. Some guys are content with a low cost of living, a bar, cute girls around and a beach which is cool I guess. But it m not going to retire to retire, I'm going to retire to start a new chapter in my life.

SD has a great Spanish school, aquarium, zoo, subway, movies and nice towns within an hours drive. I'm willing to pay extra for this, plus they have a great airport where I can zip to Cuba or the Caribbean in less than two hours at a reasonable price.

WRX is visiting me here in Florida right now and he is giving great info about my move to the DR by years end, he lives in the DR. From talking to most ex pats; the fucking goes down when you move there and so does the drinking and partying (if you are smart). You are no longer a tourist and look for more normal things to do. Naturally you are going to find the cheap expat that bases his entire DR living on cost to fit their limited income but I didn't work 30 years to be broke gringo.

The last thing I want in retirement is to be stuck, meaning having no desire to do anything and having a meager existence based on counting pesos.

I just used the "cost of living comparison application " and Puerto Plata is actually a higher cost of living compared to Santiago especially in housing. I was even surprised by this.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1941359]However, we don't tend to descend [I]en masse[/I] from cheap Ryan Air flights to places like where I am now (Tallinn) [/QUOTE]Whoa, in Estonia? I called it Talinin, before the Berlin walls crumbled. The closest I have been to, is Helsinki. If your job takes you there, wow, if it is the hobby, a double wow. Don't know anything of those three countries except that they were part of the Soviet system.

The reason I wanted to comment was I thought your comments were amusing from my perspective and true. I actually learned driving in Western Europe and was perfectly comfortable driving high speed in the autoroute / Bahn / Stradas and so first time renting in Vancouver, it was kind of funny getting into an automatic and I did have a little apprehension which disappeared quickly though. Just the way renting in Sydney and driving on the other side was another of those jolts but you get used to the idea. Fact is, driving in manual requires skill, all the more so, on a slope when you have to deftly maneuver the accelerator vs the clutch to keep the car stationary.

Like you, I travel alone but it was a personal choice as traveling alone allows for more alert eyes not to be taken advantage of, and the good thing is that by being alone, you get to discover others around you which enhances the learning. It also allows me to do things without having to plan for others.

Yes, it is true that for the US perspective, the landmass being so big, life begins and ends inside the national boundaries. Also many Americans have been brainwashed to believe that everything they have is the best so, the last twenty years have been an interesting wake up call for many as the economy in the era of wage arbitrage, lost jobs to everyone else. But I do see Americans as simple people at heart and in particular the Midwesterner to be particularly nice. I do need to add the Texans as well, their politics is awful but they are such big-hearted people and a state like Iowa, which is 97% white choosing Obama over Clinton in the primaries. There is a soul of goodness in this country; So yes, notwithstanding their calling the 24 hour time, Military time (LOL), and many other idiosyncrasies, I like America.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1941917]I just used the "cost of living comparison application " and Puerto Plata is actually a higher cost of living compared to Santiago especially in housing. I was even surprised by this.[/QUOTE]I think that's due to the large number of expats on the north coast. It's seems to me the mentality on the north coast is rip off the gringos as much as possible. Labor Day weekend some young chica approached a group of us on sosua beach and said she was a school girl who needed 200 pesos to get home. I said, el pblico es 60 pesos. She pretended not to understand me. My point is, she asked for more than double! That to me is the north coast mentality. Solo me dos centavos.

The mayor and turismo announced that the closing hours for bars in Sosua will be changed back in ten days to Sunday-Wednesday 1 am And Thursday. Saturday 3 am Great news.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1942692]The mayor and turismo announced that the closing hours for bars in Sosua will be changed back in ten days to Sunday-Wednesday 1 am And Thursday. Saturday 3 am Great news.[/QUOTE]Damn I'm headed to the Sue. 10 days too soon. Oh well still good new!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1942692]The mayor and turismo announced that the closing hours for bars in Sosua will be changed back in ten days to Sunday-Wednesday 1 am And Thursday. Saturday 3 am Great news.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1943718]Damn I'm headed to the Sue. 10 days too soon. Oh well still good new![/QUOTE]I'm here now sitting in front of the Cajun place. Just started pouring raining. And this fine mf from Santo Domingo just came over and forced me to take her number. (Oakie do not look. That is too much woman for you. I might have to pass her off to Old Kool.)

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1941996] I do need to add the Texans as well, their politics is awful but they are such big-hearted people and a state like Iowa, which is 97% white choosing Obama over Clinton in the primaries. There is a soul of goodness in this country; So yes, notwithstanding their calling the 24 hour time, Military time (LOL), and many other idiosyncrasies, I like America.[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but I'm from Texas, I think your politics are awful, and not we are not such big-hearted people anymore, especially to people like you. I think the only Texas you have visited is in your imagination.

BTW, we call it military time, because only the military uses it. Does that make sense?

You can pull winners in Sue without any hard work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1943730]I'm here now sitting in front of the Cajun place. Just started pouring raining. And this fine mf from Santo Domingo just came over and forced me to take her number. (Oakie do not look. That is too much woman for you. I might have to pass her off to Old Kool.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1941996]Fact is, driving in manual requires skill, all the more so, on a slope when you have to deftly maneuver the accelerator vs the clutch to keep the car stationary.[/QUOTE]I use the hand brake for that.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1943875]I use the hand brake for that.[/QUOTE]Ladyboy. You know your good when you can drive a stick in San Francisco. Slopes are 50 degrees. Driving a stick shift is the best. Especially with a great car like my old Mit Eclipse. Can we get back to pussy, and off cars and racist politics? Thank you.

Using the hand brake saves your clutch lining, no matter how good you are. Statistics show that people who drive stick shifts get 32% more pussy.

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BTW, we call it military time, because only the military uses it. Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]It would if it were true, but it is not. The largest industry in the US, the health care industry, uses the 24 hour clock and so does aviation, meterorolgy, and any other field where it is crucially important not to get the am And pm Times mixed up. It seems like the expression "military time" came into popular use worldwide around the time of the First World War, probably because a lot of people first ran into the 24 hour clock during military service in that conflict in Europe, where several countries were early adopters of the 24-hour clock, but in fact the 24 hour clock had been used earlier than that by railroads. The US military did not officially adopt the 24 hour clock until 1942.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1943918]Using the hand brake saves your clutch lining, no matter how good you are. Statistics show that people who drive stick shifts get 32% more pussy.[/QUOTE]If it's an Eclipse, nothing wears out, even after 10 years of driving it. 100% actually, while OUT of the USA!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1943730]I'm here now sitting in front of the Cajun place. Just started pouring raining. And this fine mf from Santo Domingo just came over and forced me to take her number. (Oakie do not look. That is too much woman for you. I might have to pass her off to Old Kool.)[/QUOTE]I'll take advantage of your good natured cease-fire to bore you with another "same old crap" report.

It was good to be back in Sosua.

I was travelling alone, waiting for my buddy to arrive a couple days later. My regular doesn't know that I am in town.

I met some interesting Canadian people (white females) on the plane and in town, that live right in Sosua, and have businesses there. I saw a level of enthusiasm for the town I'd only previously seen in mongers. WTF? If the sex trade ever dries up. I'm now convinced there is a good future for Sosua. I might even re-consider my retirement plans. New construction and renovation is in full swing along the beach road behind Casa Marina, Casa Valeria is expanding so there definitely is life there.

My first night Tuesday, was uneventful. It was quiet, a couple of my favorite bars were closed, and one, across from Bailey's that served as an impromptu bachata dance bar, had been actually raised to the ground. Never did know it's name, but I did recommend it to OldKool, who likes to dance. D 'Latin and Rumba still closed, so I chilled up near Europa at my little outside bar with the girls who worked there. You Wi-Fi your music to their sound system, so you get to listen to what everybody likes!

It didn't take long to find the locals I know, or I should say they found me. They are still around town playing musical chairs, now the bars and restaurants are closed / quiet. An old chica friend is now running an esthetic shop that sells beer, (only in Sosua). Another, by coincidence delivers groceries to the condo where I am staying. My moto guy has now graduated to a taxi. So I got caught up with the latest gossip, like where is everybody now, will the recently closed bars re-open? Maybe, who knows? Is the universal answer. I'm amazed at their natural ablility to move on, and not waste time and energy worrying about things beyong their control. My old bar manager, servers, they all came around to what turned out to be party central for a few days. The action on Dr Rosen near Rocky's was hot with the chicas running in to the bars, hiding from the cops, was very remeniscent of Boca Chica. Some old puta friends (I can hardly call them hardcore came around for a beer.

Pussy wise, Dr Rosen came alive Wednesday, and there was enough beautiful young pussy around, to satisfy anyone. A new bar opened to replace the Bermuda Bar a couple of doors around the corner on Dr Rosen, and the place was packed. The 8/9's start at a standard 4,000 but the actual going rate is still around 2000/3500.

The guys are still hanging across the street from Rumba, in front of Bourbon and Imperial, but like Bar Central, more mongers than chicas. They guys look more bored, these days.

I was chilling, because my buddy was coming Thursday and he has now reached a comfort level where he organizes his own imports and he was bringing them in every couple of days, 3 days a family of 5, including Momma and a bambina, 2 days, two sisters. He vwas in heaven, but I kept warning him about the money he was spending. The deal was I was supposed to take some pussy off his hands, but I enjoyed being free and popped a beauty from the grocery store accross the street a couple of times. Then my regular showed up!

I did my own unnoficial pzza survey, and rated 1,2,3, Baily's, Terra Linda, and New York in that order. The "Complete" from Bailey's is better than sex!

Thursday night, we were in Classico, my first time in years, and the Air Conditioning alone was a worth the cover charge. It was packed with some beauties. My deal was to buy a beer for the one rubbing up against me, and sending her to the bar so she could line up and bring us drinks, so we kept our good spot at the corner! My version of VIP treatment.

We went up to my favorite Charamicos on Sunday, to eat, drink beer, music and pay my respects (and little propina) to the old folks there, who have looked after me over the years. I needed change so I gave a local 100 US. He took off for half an hour and came back with 4,000 peso. Hey I said! He says, Senor, this is Charamicos, and this is domingo, with a laugh!

Since my GF came later and left a day early, I was free to sniff around, and got the chica (student type) from my little bar to agree to come back to the room.

It's crazy, and must be my age, but I had been trying for a couple of days, and when she finally said yes, I sorta lost interest.

Sosua was hotter than hell, but is still alive and well, and everything a monger needs is still there, good food, good people, good pussy, ice cold beer!

Highly recommended!

I wanted to check out Sosua since last time I was here it was a Tuesday and it looked like the place had gone to shit. Since it was Friday I guess it did a 180 turn. My regular hotel had a spot open so I threw my bags into the room then went to Rocky's to get some ribs. After I placed my order the waitress told me that if I wait until 5 pm they have the all you can get BBQ special for 450 pesos. That was better than the 640 pesos I was about to pay. So I decided to head to Charamicos to get a haircut in the mean time. It was 4:13 pm.

When I parked the car I saw my barber heading across the street so I hollered at him. He said he was going to use the bathroom and would be back in 5 minutes. But wait. There is nothing but and abandoned building there. And if you need 5 minutes that means you are planning to take a shit. At least when he returned I saw him sanitize his hands with alcohol. I took my phone out to take a picture of him cutting my hair and he almost shit bricks. He jumped back and told me not to record him. I told him that I was just trying to take a picture of the torrential rain outside.

Some guy came in and paid him 1200 pesos. Then he started telling me about the 2 million pesos that he has invested in Caribe Tours. He said they have 2000 drivers and I forget how many buses that go all over the country. I corrected him by saying that Caribe Tours does not go out east to Punta Cana / Bavaro / Higuey. You have to take APTRA bus from Santo Domingo to go there. You would have thought I cursed his mother. He swore me down that Caribe Tours went there. He even called a friend that said they go there as well. Then another guy came into the shop. He said that Caribe Tours did not go out east and even went to the station and got a brochure to show him. He was still not trying to hear it. I even texted my ex girlfriend who lives in Higuey and she confirmed that Caribe Tours does not come out that way. Well, he does not know his bus routes but he sure knows how to cut hair. He gave me one of the best cuts and shaves of my life and I was on my way 200 pesos lighter but looking like 1 million bucks. As I passed Caribe Tours I saw some fine ass half breeds getting off the bus. Were they going to Charamicos or were they planning to work in Sosua?

I got back to Rocky's and the food was ready. There was ribs (not the same ribs as when you place an order during non BBQ hours), chicken, pork chops, potato salad, and bread. It was taking forever for my pina colada to come so I questioned the waitress about it. She told me it was coming. Bullshit. Just then I saw the bartender chick walk to the store and come back with the coconut milk. Seriously? Turned out to be one of the best pina coladas I have ever had. The total damage was 650 pesos.

It was after 6 pm. I debated going back to my room for a while since I was full as a mf after 2 servings of BBQ, but decided to walk up to the strip to see what was going on. I stood right outside of the cajun restaurant and watched chicks walk by. The inside of the restaurant was full of mostly chicks at tables. Most of these chicks were top notch. I remember Wrx talking about them sitting there eating a plate of french fries. Well I think now they have found a cheaper option. Because most of them were sitting there eating cornbread muffins.

Some chicks come by and stop to talk to me trying to drum up business. I would always act like I did not speak Spanish. One chick told me 2000 for 1 hour. When I laughed she tried to change it to 2000 for 2 hours. When she stepped away I told (in Spanish) her friend who was still standing next to me your friend must be crazy to think somebody is going to give 2000 for 1 or 2 hours. I had given a girl in Santo Domingo 2000 for the entire night last night. It was dead obvious that many chicks on the stroll during those hours had not yet seen their 18th birthday. Clothes, accessories, hands, feet are all telltale signs that they have not reached adulthood.

Whenever I asked some of the chicks where they were from they would lie thinking all I knew was Sosua. One chick (who spoke some English-but keep in mind I am not letting them know I speak Spanish) said she was from Santo Domingo. Oh yeah, what part? She had no idea. Then her friend (who only spoke Spansh) said San Ysidro and she repeated San Ysidro. I said so tell me what is San Ysidro known for. She had no fucking idea. I finally told her friend that in San Ysidro there is an Air Force Base and many cabanas. She enthusiastically agreed and was surprised that I knew San Ysidro. It is funny to know more about their country than they do.

Some guys who were at the last table on the sidewalk got up and left so I sat down. The waitress came over and I asked for a menu. I decided to go with the Cuba Libre for 100 pesos. I had only left the room with 1500 and had already spent 900 for a haircut and food. As Wrx mentioned before it was really a weird dynamic at the cajun restaurant. I don't think many guys will approach a table full of chicks for whatever reason. And that is exactly what I witnessed the few hours that I was there. There were many tables full of chicks. Maybe a couple of tables with dudes. And a few dudes at the bar. Then there were all dudes at the sidewalk tables. There was pretty much zero interaction between males and females. I will say that last time I would not have fucked 99% of the chicks who were in Sosua. This time I would definitely hit 90% of the ones that I have seen. I guess it is the ebb and flow. Best to come on the weekend.

I noticed one chick standing in front of me with her back to me as she decided to walk off. I saw her shape and said where the hell do you think you are going? (This was well after the chick in the gray that I posted about before came to give me her number.) She said that she was going to look for her friend. I said fuck your friend. You stay right here. She stood there talking until a guy who was occupying the other seat at the table got up and left with friends. I told her to sit down. She said she was from Santo Domingo and had just arrived to make some money for the weekend. She spoke damn good English (to me) but I guess she never realized that I was speaking to her in Spanish because she said sorry my English is not that good. I said well why the hell do you keep talking to me in English when I have been talking in Spanish the whole time? Me and this chick had some chemistry going so after about an hour I asked her if she wanted something to drink. She ordered some lemonade.

We talked for at least another hour then I decided to start negotiations. I got another drink and she ordered a Cuba libre as well. She said that she would take 3000 for the night. I laughed and said no way. I told her that I would give her 2000. She went to 2500. Still no way. I stuck to 2000. She said well how about 2000 and a tip? I said no tip. Only 2000. Your tip will be me calling you next time I am in Santo Domingo. Then she said 2000 and you buy me dinner. I told her that I was already full from Rocky's and I would not buy her cheese to go on a Whopper. She said but I will treat you really good. I said well how about treating me bad for 1500 all night? She started laughing. I asked her how much money she had in her purse because I did not know if I had enought to pay the bill. She said she had 300 pesos. I told her that she was lying and she handed me her purse inviting me to look in it. I asked for the bill and it was 550 pesos for 4 Cuba Libres, 1 lemonade, and 1 unauthorized soda. I pointed it out to the waitress and she said she didn't know how the soda got on there because she knew I did not order one. So the total was 500. I gave her 550 and me and my girl walked to the car.

I drove back to the room to get more money so I could get this chick some Terra Linda pizza that she wanted. We got to Terra Linda at 10:38 and the guy said the kitchen was closed. Well what time do you close? 11 pm. So how the hell is the kitchen closed? Dominican logic. We went to NY Pizza and they were not going to make anything else either. The girl said that because of the early closing time of the bars, they close early too. So she ordered 2 slices of pizza that were already made and a large juice. It was 300 pesos. I looked at the receipt and saw 100 pesos for a large juice and started cussing. I said this is not a fucking large. And I got this same size juice this morning in Santo Domingo for 50 pesos. My girl started laughing. She said yeah in Sosua they rip you off because of the tourists.

We went back to the room. She smoked some weed. And she made me remember that ass!

I forgot to mention about the non-New York guy that drove up in a golf cart, walked into the cajun restaurant, and caused a scene before getting back into the golf cart and driving off while still yelling. People like this are ruining Sosua.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1944053]
We went back to the room. She smoked some weed. And she made me remember that ass![/QUOTE]Thanks for the update brother!

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1943918]Using the hand brake saves your clutch lining, no matter how good you are. Statistics show that people who drive stick shifts get 32% more pussy.[/QUOTE]Lovely statistics! As the saying goes, lies, damn lies and statistics! LOL.

I have heard the story about clutch lining but never had to worry about it and, no handbrakes for me. It is playing with right and left foot but have always driven manuals. Lot more fun.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1943732] I think the only Texas you have visited is in your imagination.
[/QUOTE]Are you sure you are from Texas, Pollack? LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1944053]I wanted to check out Sosua since last time I was here it was a Tuesday and it looked like the place had gone to shit. Since it was Friday I guess it did a 180 turn. My regular hotel had a spot open so I threw my bags into the room then went to Rocky's to get some ribs. [/QUOTE]Good report Mr. E.

I can't take this rude ass Dominican shit. I am at Texaco to fill up before going to Santo Domingo. I am waiting behind a motorbike for my turn. Why does another guy on a motorbike go in front of my car like he is supposed to be served next? The guy pumping the gas straightened him out before I did.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1944518]I can't take this rude ass Dominican shit. I am at Texaco to fill up before going to Santo Domingo. I am waiting behind a motorbike for my turn. Why does another guy on a motorbike go in front of my car like he is supposed to be served next? The guy pumping the gas straightened him out before I did.[/QUOTE]Mr. ENT: I am surprised that you did not go to Bailey's for Pizza. They have both thin and thick crust options. Very good, IMO. Usually open until 10-11 on weekdays and sometime until midnight on weekends or whenever there are many customers.

Their Pina Coladas are also quite good. As are the ones at a few of the better restaurants on Playa de Sosua, as I am sure you know better than me ?

Enjoy. Have fun. Seeing on the news now that there is a hurricane going to hit Haiti in the next 24-48 hours. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1944518]I can't take this rude ass Dominican shit. I am at Texaco to fill up before going to Santo Domingo. I am waiting behind a motorbike for my turn. Why does another guy on a motorbike go in front of my car like he is supposed to be served next? The guy pumping the gas straightened him out before I did.[/QUOTE]I would suggest that you do not go to southern Italy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1943730]I'm here now sitting in front of the Cajun place. Just started pouring raining. And this fine mf from Santo Domingo just came over and forced me to take her number. (Oakie do not look. That is too much woman for you. I might have to pass her off to Old Kool.)[/QUOTE]Gorgeous ass on that chica. Give us the details if you plow her.

Thanks for this usefull post. I thought to go in November for two weeks but I changed. I don, t like to start my night earlier and under time pressure in holiday. And hunting only in three possible locations (Merengue / Classico, City Lights, Bourbon) during several days is boring.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1937506]Didn't run into any of my usual suspects while roaming around. Wrx. Mr. E. Where you at, my dudes? Haven't seen King Kong in a minute either.

FAQ's as of this trip.

Is Sosua shut down? No.

Hungry hoes got to eat, babies need pampers, sick grandmas need medicine, and bitches need Iphones and Galaxies.

Is it different from the last time you were there? Yes.

It's been different every time I've gone for the last 5 years, though. The the vibe in the air is really different. I used feel welcome when I walked around. Now I kinda just feel "tolerated".

Can you still find some pussy on the street? Yes, they are still walking around, just not on the strip for the main 2 blocks between Classico and Rumba.

You got to walk around Dr Rosen, New Garden, the ice cream shop, the Orange store, New York Pizza, Morua Mai, and the beach. But still plenty out there.

Do I need to pipeline with Tagged or DC before I go? No.

You can still find plenty of chicas when you get there.

Should you gather chicks numbers for Whatsapp? Yes.

You never know when you won't find someone on the street that you want, and you'll need to call someone over. And they WILL come over.

Are chicks really going to jail? Yes.

500 pesos and overnight in jail if they're caught.

Rockys has a ribs and chicken buffet on Friday and Saturday. I forgot how much it costs. But it was reasonable.

Did you see my favorita on the street / in the club / in the casino? Yes.

I saw her with dick in her mouth. Come on dudes. It's not your girl, it's just your turn! On another board I read, dudes be on that shit posting pics of girls and asking if anyone has seen them. Translation. They sending that cash, and want to make sure she's being loyal. Dem hoes ain't loyal!

I'm not putting anyone on blast, but I smashed this shorty a few years back. She was fresh off the boat, and I could tell. She was really shy, and I took mad pics and shit.

She's a pro now. Two or 3 times a day she changes her Whatsapp pic to one with her and a dude, or another with just him. Can anyone do the math? I saw her tonight, showed her the Whatsapp profile pic, like I do every time I see her, and her and her girlfriend just laughed. And I ask what I always ask. Donde tu novio. And she says what she always says. Solo mi amigo. And then she laughs again and asks if I want to blow her back out and take more pictures and videos.

What did everyone do after Classico and Merengue close? Go to the casino or go home.

Be careful using that strategy. The choice girls are picked early, and gone. They know there is point in rushing to come back to the strip. The only ones left going to the casino are ones you probably don't want, or are going to have a problem with.

Do I really need to start my night earlier? Yes.

That includes me. I used to take a nap and wake up around 9, go get dinner around 10 ish, be done by 11, and then start thinking about what or who I was going to do. Can't do that anymore. Got to start your night earlier.

Is sosua dead? No.

It's not dying. It's changing. You need to change too.

Final analysis. I made up my mind on this trip to start moving around. As uncomfortable as it is. Went to Santiago, tried out Passions. That joint is on some next level shit compared to the one in Sosua. Hit a few other spots. You got to come out of your comfort zone! If not, you'll be stuck with Sosua gives you. If you want to know what that's going to be like. Well. Just think about shopping at Walmart! Pic attached. Some of these mofos acting like they're doing YOU a favor![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1945058]Thanks for this usefull post. I thought to go in November for two weeks but I changed. I don, t like to start my night earlier and under time pressure in holiday. And hunting only in three possible locations (Merengue / Classico, City Lights, Bourbon) during several days is boring.[/QUOTE]First, as Manizales reported, the curfew in Sosua will be abolished in I think 5 days from now and the bars or whatever will be back to the hours they kept before. Second, I don't know how big you expected Sosua to be. It is no Pattaya nor Angeles City. Third, there may be only 3 places to hunt (if that is what you want to call it), but you will see all the same chicks going from place to place looking for a trick. Sosua is a freelance market. Fourth, don't know how many chicks you were planning on fucking while there, but regardless of how many places there were to get chicks, you would never be able to fuck them all. So not sure why it would matter how many places you could pick up chicks from.

Saturday night the police were riding around in an unmarked Toyota Previa jumping out and grabbing chicks and throwing them in the van. It looked like a kidnapping scene from a movie. Right before heading back to go to sleep I caught a great video clip of them in action. It was hilarious. There were two girls. One of the girls was fighting the cop. They were all on my car when it appeared the girl's shirt came down and her titties were hanging out. Eventually the girls got away and were last seen running down the sidewalk. Here are some screen shots from the video in no particular order.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1945147]Saturday night the police were riding around in an unmarked Toyota Previa jumping out and grabbing chicks and throwing them in the van. It looked like a kidnapping scene from a movie. Right before heading back to go to sleep I caught a great video clip of them in action. It was hilarious. There were two girls. One of the girls was fighting the cop. They were all on my car when it appeared the girl's shirt came down and her titties were hanging out. Eventually the girls got away and were last seen running down the sidewalk. Here are some screen shots from the video in no particular order.[/QUOTE]I just watched that video again because I thought the cops were dragging them to jail, but you said they got away. Good work though bro, you stayed with the video even when they were fighting on your car.

I haven't been to the DR since 2010 but am thinking of returning. It sounds like so much has changed though! Is La Passion still open? And is Sosua still the best place for indies or should I consider switching up and going to PP or Santiago? And Gogo, don't I still owe you a beer?

Cheers,

- 2 J.

Quick question for the board. What exactly are the girls doing that is illegal? What crime are they committing by walking down the street that the police are using to drag them to the precinct over night?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1945508]Quick question for the board. What exactly are the girls doing that is illegal? What crime are they committing by walking down the street that the police are using to drag them to the precinct over night?[/QUOTE]This is a wrong question, alike to many other wrong questions about how things are run in the third world countries. Police can detain anyone for up to two days.

[QUOTE=TooJaded;1945477]I haven't been to the DR since 2010 but am thinking of returning. It sounds like so much has changed though! Is La Passion still open? And is Sosua still the best place for indies or should I consider switching up and going to PP or Santiago? And Gogo, don't I still owe you a beer?

Cheers,

- 2 J.[/QUOTE]Hell yeah you still owe me two beers! It's been a long time bro LOL. Glad you are back on the prowl. Sosua is nothing like when we were there in 2010 but it's worth a return visit every now and then for the beach and a few bars and bar girls. Keep me posted.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1945508]Quick question for the board. What exactly are the girls doing that is illegal? What crime are they committing by walking down the street that the police are using to drag them to the precinct over night?[/QUOTE]That's the question I have as well. Must be the rule that every woman has to be accompanied (by a man) to walk on Pedro Clisante? It was mentioned some time ago on the board. Also two chicks told me that last year and asked me to hold hands with them.

Thanks Mr E for coming with some solid posts.

[QUOTE=TooJaded;1945477]I haven't been to the DR since 2010 but am thinking of returning. It sounds like so much has changed though! Is La Passion still open? And is Sosua still the best place for indies or should I consider switching up and going to PP or Santiago? And Gogo, don't I still owe you a beer?

Cheers,

- 2 J.[/QUOTE]No, both Passions and CMP (Caribbean Men's Paradise) have been closed for a couple of years now. And the monger who used to frequent those establishments, David "Cuba Dave" Strecker, is still in jail in Costa Rica but goes on trial in November (the 10th, I've heard).

[QUOTE=Bravo;1945508]Quick question for the board. What exactly are the girls doing that is illegal? What crime are they committing by walking down the street that the police are using to drag them to the precinct over night?[/QUOTE]Loitering. They do the same thing in Thailand. Where I live in Pattaya, they make the girls (and guys dressed as girls) pay $3 to get out. In Bangkok they make them pay $30 to get out.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1945547]Hell yeah you still owe me two beers! It's been a long time bro LOL. Glad you are back on the prowl. Sosua is nothing like when we were there in 2010 but it's worth a return visit every now and then for the beach and a few bars and bar girls. Keep me posted.[/QUOTE]Ha! I was doing some catch up reading last night and am shocked to see what is happening. In fact it seems like many destinations have had a shake up. What did you guys do to finally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the locals!?

It looks like BBs is still going strong and PP still has options. Plus, half of what I loved about Sosua was the beach, the pool at NG, and the laid back atmosphere. I didn't need a watch or my laptop, I just did what I wanted when I wanted. So perhaps there is still reason to return in Dec / Jan. But man I am going to miss La Passion!

I'll keep you posted and ALL yours beers will be on me!

- 2 J.

Edit: I see ISG has changed too. Code words? Well I am sure Jackson has his reasons.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1945595]No, both Passions and CMP (Caribbean Men's Paradise) have been closed for a couple of years now. And the monger who used to frequent those establishments, David "Cuba Dave" Strecker, is still in jail in Costa Rica but goes on trial in November (the 10th, I've heard).[/QUOTE]

What the what? I mean I can understand what went down with that other situation in Lima, but what did Cuba Dave really do? I heard that CR was clamping down a few years back but this is kind of alarming, and is seems solely motivated for political purposes. Regarding CMP I remember writing one of the first reports on it and recall that one of the owners was a retired cop. I figured they would last forever.

I am genuinely stunned, and second guessing whether I even want to visit anywhere in this hemisphere any more (I at least assume that the LOS, PI, and Indonesia are still safe and viable).

Wow. Thanks for catching me up.

[QUOTE=TooJaded;1945727]but what did Cuba Dave really do? [/QUOTE]He let his alligator mouth overload his canary ass.

[QUOTE=TooJaded;1945727]What the what? I mean I can understand what went down with that other situation in Lima, but what did Cuba Dave really do? I heard that CR was clamping down a few years back but this is kind of alarming, and is seems solely motivated for political purposes. Regarding CMP I remember writing one of the first reports on it and recall that one of the owners was a retired cop. I figured they would last forever.

I am genuinely stunned, and second guessing whether I even want to visit anywhere in this hemisphere any more (I at least assume that the LOS, PI, and Indonesia are still safe and viable).

Wow. Thanks for catching me up.[/QUOTE]Just Google David Strecker or Cuba Dave Costa Rica and a whole shitload of links will pop up for you to read. Long story short, he was arrested in San Jose September 4, 2015 when he tried to board his return flight to the United States. Costa Rica has charged him with promoting prostitution through You Tube, his personal website, and Facebook (three separate charges). The trial begins in November.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1945133]First, as Manizales reported, the curfew in Sosua will be abolished in I think 5 days from now and the bars or whatever will be back to the hours they kept before. Second, I don't know how big you expected Sosua to be. It is no Pattaya nor Angeles City. Third, there may be only 3 places to hunt (if that is what you want to call it), but you will see all the same chicks going from place to place looking for a trick. Sosua is a freelance market. Fourth, don't know how many chicks you were planning on fucking while there, but regardless of how many places there were to get chicks, you would never be able to fuck them all. So not sure why it would matter how many places you could pick up chicks from.[/QUOTE]Curfew going to be relaxed but for the last 3 nights no tables on the sidewalk and the word is that is going to stay in effect, last night, Wednesday it looked like most of Haitians have been chased out, compared to my last visit in May and the strip very quiet in compared to last May.

The no tables on the sidewalk killed mayorista in medellin when instituted about 3 years ago and it never recovered to this day.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1945133]First, as Manizales reported, the curfew in Sosua will be abolished in I think 5 days from now and the bars or whatever will be back to the hours they kept before. Second, I don't know how big you expected Sosua to be. It is no Pattaya nor Angeles City. Third, there may be only 3 places to hunt (if that is what you want to call it), but you will see all the same chicks going from place to place looking for a trick. Sosua is a freelance market. Fourth, don't know how many chicks you were planning on fucking while there, but regardless of how many places there were to get chicks, you would never be able to fuck them all. So not sure why it would matter how many places you could pick up chicks from.[/QUOTE]I know Sosua. Since 2010 I was there every year, last time in February 2016. And I always loved the freelancer atmosphere in the town. Even last February it was not bad, but not like before: With LatinDrink closed there was a big dark hole in PC.

In Holiday I don, t want only to choose rapidly a chick and fuck her. I enjoyed in Sosua to have all the time of the world to decide. And I like movement of the chicas and the possibility to go around to observe a lot of chicas before choosing.

LatinDrink was great for that: It was big enough to go around and the chicas did the same. Rumba was not so good but similar. Now in Bourbon Bar chicas are sitting on tables and it too small to go around. In Merengue Bar you also can only go from one side to the other. City Lights I know only from passing by, I'm not sure if it is big enough so that there are a movement. And it was posted here that now there are no more chicas in the Haitian Embassy (Bar Central). In the streets the chicas can't walk a lot because of the Police. So I imagine that the atmosphere has changed a lot. Its a pity. Honestly I'm not sure if my decision to not go in November is good. I hope Sosua recovers and you can feel more the freelancer scene, perhaps so I go next year.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1946086]Curfew going to be relaxed but for the last 3 nights no tables on the sidewalk and the word is that is going to stay in effect, last night, Wednesday it looked like most of Haitians have been chased out, compared to my last visit in May and the strip very quiet in compared to last May.

The no tables on the sidewalk killed mayorista in medellin when instituted about 3 years ago and it never recovered to this day.[/QUOTE]The no tables on the sidewalk deal was an agreed upon concession by the business owners in order to get the closing hours extended.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1946545]The no tables on the sidewalk deal was an agreed upon concession by the business owners in order to get the closing hours extended.[/QUOTE]The president is really behind this. The prez is going to get his way eventually. I just hope he knows what he's doing long term. We shall see said the blind man!

The Sue last weekend was a smooth ride. Curfew a
or not really didn't change too much for my style of dealing with this issue.

Some things I observed due to the change.

1. City Lights is the new Rumba and the new safe place for the girls on the street running from the police. I saw a decent crowd in there. Since the outside is so small and it's not located on a corner, it can never be Rumba post up material.

2. Since Classico closes at 2 the new spot is the casino. The casino charges you 200 pesos to get in. At the door they give you a chip and with that chip you are allowed to get one drink. Cubra Libre or a cerveza. I must say I really enjoyed the environment. This was a good hangout spot because everyone comes to the casino. I almost didn't go because I don't like after ones vibe. My boys and I decided to go there at the last moment we all had call back pussy that we could have fall back on. Since it was still early mostly everyone hit the casino. It was more like it and a DJ was set up in the back. There was enough room to create a dance floor and plenty of move around room. Some of my boys said they were getting high for prices. These cats were in their mid-twenties. I was hearing them say quotes like 4000 - 6000 pesos. In truth none of us paid any of these higher prices. I think the most one person paid was 3000 pesos. And she gave him the worst session.

3. The police work diligent in their work. No chica was spared if she was caught Slippin. They post it up on the outside and in the hallway of the casino. I watched as the captain instructed his officers to take chicas off if they didn't have a token showing that they were in the casino. A security guard stop our group and asked us to walk these very nice young ladies up to the club because they feared the police.

4. Chicken man talk to me for a second. He had a group of girls on his phone he was trying to pimp. He had some dimes. He wanted to show us them posted in a hotel. I asked him how much he said it was between you and the girl. I told him don't show me a car for sale if you can tell me
the price. He said Rumba will be back in about 2 to 3 weeks. My mind was like that's six months at least Dominican time.

5. Rumba should be happy they're closed anyway. The whole sidewalk is busted on that block. Ain't nobody going to walk in that dirt. Expecially headed to the club. The busted-up Curve alone kills the whole block on that side.

6. My man Olle that has the chicken spot headed toward Europa is sick. Very sick. Rumors are not good hope I see him soon.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1946545]The no tables on the sidewalk deal was an agreed upon concession by the business owners in order to get the closing hours extended.[/QUOTE]IMHO that was a poor deal, as early evening numbers looks to be way down on the strip, the ambiance on the street has been lost. I am biased about late hours though, as I always say if not in bed by midnight to home.

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[QUOTE=Revere;1947750][URL]http://www.sosuanews.mobi/index.php?id=4599[/URL][/QUOTE]According to the article table and chairs forbidden on the sidewalks because it is hindering the flow of families with children from walking? I arrive in Sosua on Monday and used to love to sit out on the sidewalk in front of the bar across the street from Rumbas in the afternoons and have a beer watching the Putas on parade coming in and out of Rumbas and strutting their stuff as they shuffled by. And know there's a curfew in Sosua, what the hell is that all about?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1950055]According to the article table and chairs forbidden on the sidewalks because it is hindering the flow of families with children from walking? I arrive in Sosua on Monday and used to love to sit out on the sidewalk in front of the bar across the street from Rumbas in the afternoons and have a beer watching the Putas on parade coming in and out of Rumbas and strutting their stuff as they shuffled by. And know there's a curfew in Sosua, what the hell is that all about?[/QUOTE]Defintiely no hindrance now for families walking with their kids, no tables, no chairs, and very few people on the street, but I still have not seen families with their kids walking on the street, maybe the persons behind the new laws can import a few families with kids for a photo-op and post the fotos in some travel magazines, I sure all the locals who have lost their jobs and businesses due to the new regs would be pleased to see fotos of the new sosua.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1950055]According to the article table and chairs forbidden on the sidewalks because it is hindering the flow of families with children from walking? I arrive in Sosua on Monday and used to love to sit out on the sidewalk in front of the bar across the street from Rumbas [/QUOTE]You can still do that. It is just that now you will have to sit on the actual sidewalk.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1950231]Defintiely no hindrance now for families walking with their kids, no tables, no chairs, and very few people on the street, but I still have not seen families with their kids walking on the street, [/QUOTE]I definitely saw some when I was there a couple of weeks ago. Granted there were not enough to warrant removing tables and chairs for though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1950244]You can still do that. It is just that now you will have to sit on the actual sidewalk.[/QUOTE]I think I will do that, however I will bring a beach chair.

We arrived in Sosua on a Friday afternoon. It was the last day before they relaxed the closing times. Went to Classicos a little before closing, it was packed wall to wall with girls. Chatted with a beauty from Puerto Plata, she asked for 4000 pesos for TLN and No BBBJ. I smiled and moved on, there are 999 other girls more willing and able. After Classicos closed I did my usual post-up across the street. Not a lot of girls were standing around compared to the past, for fear of loitering. I did find a good one, agreed to 2000 pesos for TLN.

The next day, Saturday just took it slow on Sosua beach. In late afternoon I picked up a girl walking outside of New Garden and took her back for 1500ST. At night my boy and I happened to walk by a bar down a deserted side street cul de sac. Cute bar girls beckoned us to go in. Two young bar girls were very flirtatious, no doubt their job was to get us to buy drinks -- but no complaints from me, as they took turns grinding on me to dembow music, and I alternatively danced bachata with them. My boy though, was smitten by the very pretty but conservatively dressed and demeanored bar manager. She spoke English to him and gave him that "normal girl" vibe. A very fun couple of hours later it was closing time. My two girls wanted to tag team me TLN for 3000 pesos each. Not being a big believer in successful threesomes, I countered 2500 one at a time over two separate nights. They told me to go back to my hotel while they cleaned up and closed out. One of them would hit me up as soon as they were done. Well 30 minutes went by and I didn't get any word. There are never any "must have" girls for me, I was actually not disappointed at all. Headed out to the casino and it was happening. Grownman did a very good description of the place. There were a lot of girls there and the environment was more conducive to talk with them because we weren't packed like sardines and the music was not deafeningly loud. Pretty soon found a Santiago girl I liked, negotiated 3000 pesos TLN and were off to the races.

The next day, Sunday we drove to nearby towns like Rio San Juan and Cabarete. At night my boy was wifed up with the bar manager girl. I hit Classicos and got me a nice Santo Domingo girl for 3000 for TLN.

In conclusion, on the surface Sosua is a sad sight. Businesses closed left and right, abandoned buildings and messed up sidewalks. Most of the restaurants were swatting-flies kind of slow (except Bourbon Street). How do anti-puta restrictions help with reviving the town? Unless they want to destroy it completely and build it fresh from the ground up, like Dresden and Hiroshima? We stayed at Hotel BellaMar, formerly Sosua Bay, twin property to Victorian House. One wing of the hotel was completely shut down. The security guard told me the whole place might not survive past Christmas. I saw the Toyota Previa Mr. E wrote about. First you see chicas running towards and past you, sort of panicking. Then you see the dark van with the headlights off and sliding door open, rolling silently like the grim reaper on wheels. Despite all the negativity, girls are still there and I was still able to have very good sessions. Girls are still sweet and GFE could be had.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1950366]We arrived in Sosua on a Friday afternoon. It was the last day before they relaxed the closing times. Went to Classicos a little before closing, it was packed wall to wall with girls. Chatted with a beauty from Puerto Plata, she asked for 4000 pesos for TLN and No BBBJ. I smiled and moved on, there are 999 other girls more willing and able. After Classicos closed I did my usual post-up across the street. Not a lot of girls were standing around compared to the past, for fear of loitering. I did find a good one, agreed to 2000 pesos for TLN.

The next day, Saturday just took it slow on Sosua beach. In late afternoon I picked up . Girls are still sweet and GFE could be had.[/QUOTE]Excellent report!

Arrived yesterday afternoon in town and after getting my room ready and stocked with food and beverages I took a stroll down the Strip.

Parts of the strip looked like something out of a war zone!

With the interior demolition work being done inside the former Latinos and the boarded up and deserted Rumbas I couldn't believe what I saw.

And across the street the Bermuda Bar and Cigar place were abandoned. Nobody sitting in chairs on the sidewalks gawking at the Ladies.

And Central Bar in the evening devoid of throngs of Haitians. Well at least the beach was the same!

I spent 2 days in Sosua. Mondays in Sosua is better then any where else I know. I really miss the parade to Rumbas but things have adjusted. There are plenty of girls hiding in the creases. Monday night Merengue bar was packed. The girls in Sosua during the week days are the more hardcore devoted putas. These girls are more likely to be your scammers. Working the streets is there life. Never the less there is always something to put a smile on your face.

The high light of my trip was hooking up with my 1st DR chica. I met her in Punta Cuna and followed her to SD. We spent the night together and had incredible sex. She loves to come. Her passion is what got me turned out in DR. She came so many time I lost track. You guys know what is like when you have been busting nuts in Sosua. There is nothing left in the gun. Her passion got me over the hump. YEEEEEEEZ.

Sosua is doing find there are still plenty guys going even early in the week. I saw or noticed more Europeans. We walk the same streets have many of the same girls but have no interaction.

For a while I have been operating like a housecat. Barely going out at night. If I'm out during the day, I may stop by a few places to talk to some of my friends and acquaintances. Some are expats, and others are guys back for another vacation. This particular weekend I decided to come out and hit the strip. Friday around 6 pm the street was closed to vehicular traffic. A stage had been erected on Pedro Clisante a few feet west of Jolly Rogers restaurant. Later in the evening some musicians were performing. On this particular Friday night, I was curious as hell on what it was going to be like, because I haven't been out past 10 pm in a long while.

I had a good nap earlier in the evening, so I was fresh when I left my spot about 1145 to hit the strip. I started off parking my scooter over by the bar diagonally across from Rockys (the front section of Rockys, I call THE OFFICE) Then I navigated around the corner on foot. Looked inside Bourbon Street, which had a few tables and the bar occupied with chicas and men. Together and / or separated. Kept walking past the German restaurant, and as usual it was filled with white guys and a few Haitianas. I get some of my meals from The german restaurant. I think it's still called Schlemmers, although I also noticed a board above outside saying Central.

A lot of the chicas (mostly Haitian) used to post up in the bar next door to Schlemmer ( Bar Central ) but now they freely hang out mostly in and around Schlemmers. I think who ever operates Bar Central next door, stopped or significantly slowed down the practice of allowing the chicas to hang out in the bar, especially unescorted. With the tables and chairs no longer allowed to be out front most places east of Classico, there is no place for the chicas to go. And they don't seem to want them standing out front of the bar either.

I ended up posting up in front of the window of Merenge bar, but outside on the sidewalk. Watched the parade of women all over the place. The guys I was with observing the scene, noticed that there was something unique about this night. Chicas were walking freely and not being chased. Standing nearby were two Cestur / tourist police officers, but they werent in chase mode. They seemed to be there just in case a disturbance occurred. Now mind you, the street is closed at this time, and everybody is enjoying walking around with no drama and no hassles.

I would say, the only reason it was like that, is because of the event going on down the street. Along with the vendors that had setups of their goods on the street, near the stage. I guess it would look bad for regular folks down there dining in and near Jolly Rogers, having to watch the typical silly cat and mouse game that goes on with the chicas and the police. So apparently the police suspended chica chasing for Friday night. Saturday night though LMAO, it was on like popcorn. Waves of chicas running from one end of the block to another. Police in full swing chasing chicas. Sneaking up on them like alligators or tigers, and then grabbing an arm and start hauling their prey away.

Me and the guys I was standing with, all had several girlfriends for 30 second clips. Girls running , and stopping long enough to postup next to us like were together, and then runoff the moment the coast was clear. Funny shit. You would think they would be trying to see if we were potential clients, but instead they seemed to be more preoccupied with getting away from the police. I kinda know why. Often while on the run, chicas still get grabbed even if they try to act like they are with someone. The chicas are easy targets, because the main ones they are going after are the Haitianas. And perhaps, the reason some of these chicas don't even bother giving us a pitch is because they are really looking for business from the white guys they are used to being spoiled by. Enough assume were not interested in getting with them. But its not true. I have a few haitian regulars.

Typically, white guys seems to do the most of the wining and dining with the haitian chicas, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pay them more too. Plus a lot of those guys don't seem to discriminate with looks. Some of them chicks be looking kinda rough. But certain guys overlook that and treat them like queens. Meanwhile guys like myself, don't do all of that wining and dining. As Grownman reported, I too have heard rumors that Rumba should be opening up very soon. One individual claimed he heard Rumba may open this Wednesday. Of course for me, after all of the prior incorrect rumors, I'll just wait and see.

I stayed out until 0320 Friday night, and watched everything close. I observed around 2 ish, couples starting to leave Classicos to handle their business. Then around 3, I'm watching everybody. The stragglers looking for clients, hustlers, and motos. When it comes to chicas, one can't assume that just because she doesn't have a date after the club shuts down, that she never had a client all day. Many chicas are often continuing their work when you think they must have struck out scoring a client. Some observant guys can tell you, they saw chicas with clients earlier in the day or night, watched them come back to the club, but just didn't get a client upon closing. But it doesn't mean she hadn't made money all day.

Moreover, they still have the casino to go to as another option. I met a chica Friday night. She was sort of a newbie to the scene. She must have been at least 2 inches taller than I was. But I thought she was cute. I didn't pull the trigger, but took her number. I saw her Saturday at the beach, and briefly talked to her. But this time she was with her teacher. A vet chica I got with maybe 5 yrs ago when I stayed at Sosua Suites. I don't recall having a great time with her at all, but I do remember her begging me for a propina and busting out with an attitude when I refused. I met her in Rumba, and got caught up watching her move her body to the music. But after she was in my spot, she was mostly about business. She was part of my learning curve back then.

Well after seeing my young tall chica with her teacher, I was pretty convinced that her barracuda teacher had likely groomed her on what to do, and how to handle clients. I spent my day on the beach, at my buddys spot THE TREE HOUSE. Good music, decent food, and ambiance.

Later that night, I stopped in Bourbon street, satt way in the back. The young tall chica and her teacher was on patrol on the sidewalk walking back and forth like extras in a movie. Which is how I describe chicas out on the street. They look just like extras in a movie. They walk in one direction for lets say a 1-200 ft, and within seconds or minutes they are walking back in the opposite direction, it's comical.

More comical is watching how they act when they set their sights on a regular client, and they try to post up near him, often acting like they don't see him. And then just turn around and start staring at him, trying to get his attention. Same thing happens with chicas trying to score a client. Theyll stand in front of you with their back to you, and turn around to see if you are looking. Sometimes looking at you like they have squirrel eyes. (eyes on the side of their heads). Thats comical as well.

Anyway, while sitting in Bourbon Street, both of these chicas, teacher and student are scoping me from the sidewalk. The teacher is trying to help bag her young student that elusive slippery client sitting in the back of the restaurant. I pretend like I don't see them. They re-position themselves, in my direct line of sight. But I play the same game they do when they act like they don't see you. Chicas always see you. They got eight sets of eyes. They know when your coming and going. A chica has great vision when she chooses to see you, and acknowledge your presence.

Other times, she knows how to walk right past you, acting like you don't even exist. My studies of them, I use the same shit on them. About 145 I'm down by the open window where folks order fast food, and who do I see creeping up on me? The tall young chica with a few other chicas. This time without her teacher. This time, I'm thinking of possibly taking home some juice for the night. I haven't done that in a while. I usually stick to my regulars. But this time I'm thinking of something new. It helped a lot that her barracuda teacher wasnt around. So I pulled her aside and worked out a price for the rest of the night. She wanted 3000 until 8, and I immediately complained. She immediately dropped to 2000 without any input from me. I jumped on it.

I figured, even if I had a bad session, 2000 until even 3 or 4 was cool. And where was this chica going to go at that hour? I soon found out. I told her to meet me back here at the window at 215 am. I will text you too. I was still hanging with one of the cats that was out there scoping the scene. Him and I stood near the window checking out folks hanging across the street at the liquor store. A haitian chica I know had grabbed a bottle and was threatening a haitian dude with it. It was ok, until he crossed the street and came near me, while I'm straddling my scooter.

Last thing I need is this chica throwing this bottle and cracking the wrong head. Anyway, 215 is here, and no chica. I texted her once, no response. Parted company with my buddy and went home. About 0305 I get a whatsapp text from the chica saying "Hi, SONY (yes SONY, was supposed to be sorry ) Yo casino " The next afternoon around 3 pm I get a regular text. "disculpa anoche tenia problemas con mi amiga en casino" I don't know if that message was learned as part of her training, but she definitely knew what she was doing. My guess is, she had contacted her teacher or any of the other chicas in her circle, and told them about the arrangement she had made with me. They probably told her to can that idea. And see what you can pull in the casino.

Actually it was a win / win for me, because I didn't really care one way or the other if we hooked up I was dipping into the unknown anyway, and knew going in who her teacher / mentor was, and very well could have dodged some drama. Like an upsell, or a I got to leave early because my baby excuse. She did me a favor. Of course as expected, she was blowing up my phone trying to get me back on track. Unfortunately for her, she lost a potential client as I won't be doing any business with her any time soon.

Also Sat night, a ex regular that got on my bad side was trying to entice me for business. I ignored her ass, and had her on ignore months ago since our incident when she came to my spot pregnant. But that's another story. I have zero tolerance for BS. Often a 1 strike rule. You fuck up one time, and that's your ass. That dummy blew it with a good customer. Now she expects (like a lot of females) for a man to be horny and with zero standards or principles. If she was thinking that, I made sure she knew that she fucked up.

Unfortunately, a dude can't teach any of these females lessons or make them have regrets. There will always be another customer who will pick up the slack, and sustain them. Enough women are like cats, many dont appear to associate discipline or correction with their behavior. So they'll keep doing the same thing over and over, but try to be more covert. Their strength or power is in the power we give them, or the fact that men are not united on any level to nip shit in the bud collectively. Its every man for himself.

This report is based on my observations of this establishment during the middle of the day today and my friends observations last Friday night. This place is located at the end of the access road for the gated entrance to the Ocean Village complex off the main highway in Sosua. It is an eating place / bar and complex with girls on-site for take out. In talking with one of the patrons today I was informed that there is a dormitory / apartment behind the eating / drinking area where approximately 15 girls live on-site which I did see. I was also told the owner was Russian and had upwards of another fifty plus girls available to work at the establishment. When I was there today there were about 12 girls on-site eating lunch who came by and said Hello, to me and my friend. My friend told me that on Saturday night all the girls came up to the table he was at with two other friends and the girls introduced themselves as well. All of the girls seemed pleasant enough and well mannered. According to the patron I spoke with today they have a set pricing menu. Take out of the girl for four hours $ 100 USD or twenty four hours $ 150 USD. When I asked if this was negotiable he said it was not! In regards to the girls, well in my opinion I was not really impressed with the line-up I saw today and my friend told me they looked a lot better on Friday night when they were dressed up with their make-up on. Interesting place which I had never heard of and had to see it with my own eyes. Perhaps somebody else who has been there might have better information on this place then I do.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1953611]For a while I have been operating like a housecat. Barely going out at night. If I'm out during the day, I may stop by a few places to talk to some of my friends and acquaintances. Some are expats, and others are guys back for another vacation. This particular weekend I decided to come out and hit the strip. Friday around 6 pm the street was closed to vehicular traffic. A stage had been erected on Pedro Clisante a few feet west of Jolly Rogers restaurant. Later in the evening some musicians were performing. On this particular Friday night, I was curious as hell on what it was going to be like, because I haven't been out past 10 pm in a long while.

I had a good nap earlier in the evening, so I was fresh when I left my spot about 1145 to hit the strip. I started off parking my scooter over by the bar diagonally across from Rockys (the front section of Rockys, I call THE OFFICE) Then I navigated around the corner on foot. Looked inside Bourbon Street, which had a few tables and the bar occupied with chicas and men. Together and / or separated. Kept walking past the German restaurant, and as usual it was filled with white guys and a few Haitianas. I get some of my meals from The german restaurant. I think it's still called Schlemmers, although I also noticed a board above outside saying Central.

A lot of the chicas (mostly Haitian) used to post up in the bar next door to Schlemmer ( Bar Central ) but now they freely hang out mostly in and around Schlemmers. I think who ever operates Bar Central next door, stopped or significantly slowed down the practice of allowing the chicas to hang out in the bar, especially unescorted. With the tables and chairs no longer allowed to be out front most places east of Classico, there is no place for the chicas to go. And they don't seem to want them standing out front of the bar either.

I ended up posting up in front of the window of Merenge bar, but outside on the sidewalk. Watched the parade of women all over the place. The guys I was with observing the scene, noticed that there was something unique about this night. Chicas were walking freely and not being chased. Standing nearby were two Cestur / tourist police officers, but they werent in chase mode. They seemed to be there just in case a disturbance occurred. Now mind you, the street is closed at this time, and everybody is enjoying walking around with no drama and no hassles.

I would say, the only reason it was like that, is because of the event going on down the street. Along with the vendors that had setups of their goods on the street, near the stage. I guess it would look bad for regular folks down there dining in and near Jolly Rogers, having to watch the typical silly cat and mouse game that goes on with the chicas and the police. So apparently the police suspended chica chasing for Friday night. Saturday night though LMAO, it was on like popcorn. Waves of chicas running from one end of the block to another. Police in full swing chasing chicas. Sneaking up on them like alligators or tigers, and then grabbing an arm and start hauling their prey away.

Me and the guys I was standing with, all had several girlfriends for 30 second clips. Girls running , and stopping long enough to postup next to us like were together, and then runoff the moment the coast was clear. Funny shit. You would think they would be trying to see if we were potential clients, but instead they seemed to be more preoccupied with getting away from the police. I kinda know why. Often while on the run, chicas still get grabbed even if they try to act like they are with someone. The chicas are easy targets, because the main ones they are going after are the Haitianas. And perhaps, the reason some of these chicas don't even bother giving us a pitch is because they are really looking for business from the white guys they are used to being spoiled by. Enough assume were not interested in getting with them. But its not true. I have a few haitian regulars.

Typically, white guys seems to do the most of the wining and dining with the haitian chicas, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pay them more too. Plus a lot of those guys don't seem to discriminate with looks. Some of them chicks be looking kinda rough. But certain guys overlook that and treat them like queens. Meanwhile guys like myself, don't do all of that wining and dining. As Grownman reported, I too have heard rumors that Rumba should be opening up very soon. One individual claimed he heard Rumba may open this Wednesday. Of course for me, after all of the prior incorrect rumors, I'll just wait and see.

I stayed out until 0320 Friday night, and watched everything close. I observed around 2 ish, couples starting to leave Classicos to handle their business. Then around 3, I'm watching everybody. The stragglers looking for clients, hustlers, and motos. When it comes to chicas, one can't assume that just because she doesn't have a date after the club shuts down, that she never had a client all day. Many chicas are often continuing their work when you think they must have struck out scoring a client. Some observant guys can tell you, they saw chicas with clients earlier in the day or night, watched them come back to the club, but just didn't get a client upon closing. But it doesn't mean she hadn't made money all day.

Moreover, they still have the casino to go to as another option. I met a chica Friday night. She was sort of a newbie to the scene. She must have been at least 2 inches taller than I was. But I thought she was cute. I didn't pull the trigger, but took her number. I saw her Saturday at the beach, and briefly talked to her. But this time she was with her teacher. A vet chica I got with maybe 5 yrs ago when I stayed at Sosua Suites. I don't recall having a great time with her at all, but I do remember her begging me for a propina and busting out with an attitude when I refused. I met her in Rumba, and got caught up watching her move her body to the music. But after she was in my spot, she was mostly about business. She was part of my learning curve back then.

Well after seeing my young tall chica with her teacher, I was pretty convinced that her barracuda teacher had likely groomed her on what to do, and how to handle clients. I spent my day on the beach, at my buddys spot THE TREE HOUSE. Good music, decent food, and ambiance.

Later that night, I stopped in Bourbon street, satt way in the back. The young tall chica and her teacher was on patrol on the sidewalk walking back and forth like extras in a movie. Which is how I describe chicas out on the street. They look just like extras in a movie. They walk in one direction for lets say a 1-200 ft, and within seconds or minutes they are walking back in the opposite direction, it's comical.

More comical is watching how they act when they set their sights on a regular client, and they try to post up near him, often acting like they don't see him. And then just turn around and start staring at him, trying to get his attention. Same thing happens with chicas trying to score a client. Theyll stand in front of you with their back to you, and turn around to see if you are looking. Sometimes looking at you like they have squirrel eyes. (eyes on the side of their heads). Thats comical as well.

Anyway, while sitting in Bourbon Street, both of these chicas, teacher and student are scoping me from the sidewalk. The teacher is trying to help bag her young student that elusive slippery client sitting in the back of the restaurant. I pretend like I don't see them. They re-position themselves, in my direct line of sight. But I play the same game they do when they act like they don't see you. Chicas always see you. They got eight sets of eyes. They know when your coming and going. A chica has great vision when she chooses to see you, and acknowledge your presence.

Other times, she knows how to walk right past you, acting like you don't even exist. My studies of them, I use the same shit on them. About 145 I'm down by the open window where folks order fast food, and who do I see creeping up on me? The tall young chica with a few other chicas. This time without her teacher. This time, I'm thinking of possibly taking home some juice for the night. I haven't done that in a while. I usually stick to my regulars. But this time I'm thinking of something new. It helped a lot that her barracuda teacher wasnt around. So I pulled her aside and worked out a price for the rest of the night. She wanted 3000 until 8, and I immediately complained. She immediately dropped to 2000 without any input from me. I jumped on it.

I figured, even if I had a bad session, 2000 until even 3 or 4 was cool. And where was this chica going to go at that hour? I soon found out. I told her to meet me back here at the window at 215 am. I will text you too. I was still hanging with one of the cats that was out there scoping the scene. Him and I stood near the window checking out folks hanging across the street at the liquor store. A haitian chica I know had grabbed a bottle and was threatening a haitian dude with it. It was ok, until he crossed the street and came near me, while I'm straddling my scooter.

Last thing I need is this chica throwing this bottle and cracking the wrong head. Anyway, 215 is here, and no chica. I texted her once, no response. Parted company with my buddy and went home. About 0305 I get a whatsapp text from the chica saying "Hi, SONY (yes SONY, was supposed to be sorry ) Yo casino " The next afternoon around 3 pm I get a regular text. "disculpa anoche tenia problemas con mi amiga en casino" I don't know if that message was learned as part of her training, but she definitely knew what she was doing. My guess is, she had contacted her teacher or any of the other chicas in her circle, and told them about the arrangement she had made with me. They probably told her to can that idea. And see what you can pull in the casino.

Actually it was a win / win for me, because I didn't really care one way or the other if we hooked up I was dipping into the unknown anyway, and knew going in who her teacher / mentor was, and very well could have dodged some drama. Like an upsell, or a I got to leave early because my baby excuse. She did me a favor. Of course as expected, she was blowing up my phone trying to get me back on track. Unfortunately for her, she lost a potential client as I won't be doing any business with her any time soon.

Also Sat night, a ex regular that got on my bad side was trying to entice me for business. I ignored her ass, and had her on ignore months ago since our incident when she came to my spot pregnant. But that's another story. I have zero tolerance for BS. Often a 1 strike rule. You fuck up one time, and that's your ass. That dummy blew it with a good customer. Now she expects (like a lot of females) for a man to be horny and with zero standards or principles. If she was thinking that, I made sure she knew that she fucked up.

Unfortunately, a dude can't teach any of these females lessons or make them have regrets. There will always be another customer who will pick up the slack, and sustain them. Enough women are like cats, many dont appear to associate discipline or correction with their behavior. So they'll keep doing the same thing over and over, but try to be more covert. Their strength or power is in the power we give them, or the fact that men are not united on any level to nip shit in the bud collectively. Its every man for himself.[/QUOTE]Executive summary: On a night out in Sosua, I encountered a girl whom I found attractive and offered her $38 to attend a 4-hour seminar in my hotel room. She initially accepted, but then stood me up and it later transpired that she had gone to the casino instead. They never learn, do they?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1953611]
About 145 I'm down by the open window where folks order fast food, and who do I see creeping up on me? The tall young chica with a few other chicas. This time without her teacher. This time, I'm thinking of possibly taking home some juice for the night. I haven't done that in a while. I usually stick to my regulars. But this time I'm thinking of something new. It helped a lot that her barracuda teacher wasnt around. So I pulled her aside and worked out a price for the rest of the night. She wanted 3000 until 8, and I immediately complained. She immediately dropped to 2000 without any input from me. I jumped on it.

I figured, even if I had a bad session, 2000 until even 3 or 4 was cool. And where was this chica going to go at that hour? I soon found out. I told her to meet me back here at the window at 215 am. I will text you too. I was still hanging with one of the cats that was out there scoping the scene. Him and I stood near the window checking out folks hanging across the street at the liquor store.

Anyway, 215 is here, and no chica. I texted her once, no response. Parted company with my buddy and went home. About 0305 I get a whatsapp text from the chica saying "Hi, SONY (yes SONY, was supposed to be sorry ) Yo casino " The next afternoon around 3 pm I get a regular text. "disculpa anoche tenia problemas con mi amiga en casino" I don't know if that message was learned as part of her training, but she definitely knew what she was doing. My guess is, she had contacted her teacher or any of the other chicas in her circle, and told them about the arrangement she had made with me. They probably told her to can that idea. And see what you can pull in the casino.
[/QUOTE]I know you live there, so it probably doesn't matter to you one way or the other, but once she dropped down to 2000 DOP I would have closed the deal and took her back to my place. When I spot a newbie on the scene that hasn't had a chance to get too spoiled or jaded by the game, I pounce on that shit right then and there. You waited too long and, yes, more than likely she told her girls she agreed to 2000 TLN and they told her "ESTAS LOCA?"

What were you expecting her to do between 0145 and 0215 in the morning while waiting on you to finish shooting the breeze with the boys?

You were right not to give her a second chance though. That bullshit casino excuse she gave you was a big "FUCK YOU" in my book.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1953845]You were right not to give her a second chance though. That bullshit casino excuse she gave you was a big "FUCK YOU" in my book.[/QUOTE]Fuck that. When I got that excuse and apology, I would have told her that she could come right now for 1000. Plus it was daytime so she would not be itching to leave so quickly. The shit is chess.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953893]Fuck that. When I got that excuse and apology, I would have told her that she could come right now for 1000. Plus it was daytime so she would not be itching to leave so quickly. The shit is chess.[/QUOTE]Mr E AKA The Chess Master!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1953845]I know you live there, so it probably doesn't matter to you one way or the other, but once she dropped down to 2000 DOP I would have closed the deal and took her back to my place. When I spot a newbie on the scene that hasn't had a chance to get too spoiled or jaded by the game, I pounce on that shit right then and there. You waited too long and, yes, more than likely she told her girls she agreed to 2000 TLN and they told her "ESTAS LOCA?"

What were you expecting her to do between 0145 and 0215 in the morning while waiting on you to finish shooting the breeze with the boys?

You were right not to give her a second chance though. That bullshit casino excuse she gave you was a big "FUCK YOU" in my book.[/QUOTE]I look at it as a win / win. Yes it would have been nice to see what she was about. But I don't put as much stock in these females as I used to. There heads are big enough as it is. They arent any more important than I am. For me, they are like crosstown busses. You miss one you can catch another one. Living here as opposed to being on vacation is very different. Meanwhile I value my time with my guy friends more than I do flaky ass chicas. I held up my end by being where I said I would be. I already knew she could have scored a client. That is a given with any chica you don't take right then. I just didn't care if she showed up one way or the other. For all I know, I may have dodged a shitload of drama, or a raggedy session. Technically, I did by not getting with her. Plus I saved my money.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1953829]Executive summary: On a night out in Sosua, I encountered a girl whom I found attractive and offered her $38 to attend a 4-hour seminar in my hotel room. She initially accepted, but then stood me up and it later transpired that she had gone to the casino instead. They never learn, do they?[/QUOTE]No. , she allegedly went to the casino.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1953893]Fuck that. When I got that excuse and apology, I would have told her that she could come right now for 1000. Plus it was daytime so she would not be itching to leave so quickly. The shit is chess.[/QUOTE]As far as I'm concerned that offer can be made anytime to her or any number of chicas. It's not like I didn't have plenty of opportunities of hooking up. I had the night I met her, the next day at the beach, later while at BS, and at 0145. I had her number already and never contacted her to hookup then. The only reason I finally considered hooking up is because I ran into her just when I was fixing to head home. The whole time up until 0215, I was engaged with hanging with my buddy. I hadn't moved. One can't lose the chess match if they don't play the game. And that goes for her as well.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1953989]As far as I'm concerned that offer can be made anytime to her or any number of chicas. It's not like I didn't have plenty of opportunities of hooking up. I had the night I met her, the next day at the beach, later while at BS, and at 0145. I had her number already and never contacted her to hookup then. The only reason I finally considered hooking up is because I ran into her just when I was fixing to head home. The whole time up until 0215, I was engaged with hanging with my buddy. I hadn't moved. One can't lose the chess match if they don't play the game. And that goes for her as well.[/QUOTE]A chess match hardly with any of these Chicas. More like checkers if even that.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1953829]Executive summary: On a night out in Sosua, I encountered a girl whom I found attractive and offered her $38 to attend a 4-hour seminar in my hotel room. She initially accepted, but then stood me up and it later transpired that she had gone to the casino instead. They never learn, do they?[/QUOTE]Sounds more like she found someone to pay her more money for less time than you offered her as you offered her less than than 1800 Pesos. It's all about the money with these Chicas.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1954114]Sounds more like she found someone to pay her more money for less time than you offered her as you offered her less than than 1800 Pesos. It's all about the money with these Chicas.[/QUOTE]While I would have to agree that money is the greatest common denominator; it's not always the factor. Case in point. Do you remember the loca chica you had. You wined, dined her, showers her with gifts and what happened? Was it all about the money with her? The Sue is point and click however if you don't have a strategy with dealing with them eventually your luck will run out.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1954703]While I would have to agree that money is the greatest common denominator; it's not always the factor. Case in point. Do you remember the loca chica you had. You wined, dined her, showers her with gifts and what happened? Was it all about the money with her? The Sue is point and click however if you don't have a strategy with dealing with them eventually your luck will run out.[/QUOTE]Yes I do remember my loca Chica who was a civilian and not a Puta like Frannie was dealing with. You cannot compare a civilian to a Puta, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

I had a short lived relationship with this Chica and my luck ran out when she discovered that I had another Chica. So unless there is some other information, it would make sense that what happened to Frannie was over money as he clearly had never interacted with this Chica before. Your correct about having to have a strategy in dealing with Chicas regardless of whether their civilians or Putas. Civilians are much harder to deal with than Putas as your well aware of.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1954778]Yes I do remember my loca Chica who was a civilian and not a Puta like Frannie was dealing with. You cannot compare a civilian to a Puta, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

So unless there is some other information, it would make sense that what happened to Frannie was over money as he clearly had never interacted with this Chica before.[/QUOTE]Surfer, I think you got confused about Frannie's "Executive Summary" post. It wasn't about him; it was his summation of Wrx2005's (lengthy) trip report.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1955393]Surfer, I think you got confused about Frannie's "Executive Summary" post. It wasn't about him; it was his summation of Wrx2005's (lengthy) trip report.[/QUOTE]Your correct and it's interesting that we have to have another members boil down a report in excess of at least a thousand words of excessive babble to less than 50 words to get to understand what happened.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1951224]Arrived yesterday afternoon in town and after getting my room ready and stocked with food and beverages I took a stroll down the Strip.

Parts of the strip looked like something out of a war zone!

With the interior demolition work being done inside the former Latinos and the boarded up and deserted Rumbas I couldn't believe what I saw.

And across the street the Bermuda Bar and Cigar place were abandoned. Nobody sitting in chairs on the sidewalks gawking at the Ladies.

And Central Bar in the evening devoid of throngs of Haitians. Well at least the beach was the same![/QUOTE]Well I've been here ten days now and leave tomorrow, this time next week I'll be in Medellin and will miss the beaches here. Yesterday around 4 PM in the afternoon I hung out at the Platinum Bar across from Rumbas and a had a Cuba Libre. I observed lots of girls coming into town walking around in groups like packs of wolves. One girl asked me to go with her and I told her I had already come three times during the day which was true, and that I was out of leche. She said she could get a fourth one out of me but I told her no thanks and to find someone else as it was happy hour!

Anyways, I edged my table to the edge of the sidewalk and spoke with the owner of the Bar at length over the state of affairs. She informed me that her business was off probably at least 40% due to the ban of the tables out on the sidewalk in front of her Bar. She said, which had been previously reported, that the Mayor and others in their infinite wisdom were concerned about families with their children navigating the sidewalk which she thought was a joke. According to the owner there has been a lot of backlash from the business affected by this, and that perhaps in two weeks they were going to allow the tables back on the sidewalk and also thought that Rumbas's may be opening back up as well. The timing is kind of odd, almost seems to correspond to the beginning of tourist season, and perhaps the Mayor doesn't want to be pummeled any more. Perhaps somebody who lives here has more information on this.

This is great news and I hope it's true. As much as I like Medellin, I would hate to see this town go down any more than it has. Additionally there is a new venue in town, Pica Flor which I visited and reported on, but is expensive.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1955428]

Anyways, I edged my table to the edge of the sidewalk and spoke with the owner of the Bar at length over the state of affairs. She informed me that her business was off probably at least 40% due to the ban of the tables out on the sidewalk in front of her Bar. She said, which had been previously reported, that the Mayor and others in their infinite wisdom were concerned about families with their children navigating the sidewalk which she thought was a joke. According to the owner there has been a lot of backlash from the business affected by this, and that perhaps in two weeks they were going to allow the tables back on the sidewalk and also thought that Rumbas's may be opening back up as well. The timing is kind of odd, almost seems to correspond to the beginning of tourist season, and perhaps the Mayor doesn't want to be pummeled any more. Perhaps somebody who lives here has more information on this.
[/QUOTE]I read somewhere on this forum that the extra hour was Return to businesses Operation time in exchange for removal of the chairs in the front of businesses. I don't know if that's true but it seems like a bad trade-off. It seems more businesses profit from customers relaxing sitting on the outside watching the festivities then from that extra hour for closing time.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1955546]I read somewhere on this forum that the extra hour was Return to businesses Operation time in exchange for removal of the chairs in the front of businesses. I don't know if that's true but it seems like a bad trade-off. It seems more businesses profit from customers relaxing sitting on the outside watching the festivities then from that extra hour for closing time.[/QUOTE]Your correct as those tables bring in a lot of money and if things don't revert back to the way they were before the Mayor will probably get lynched!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1955546]I read somewhere on this forum that the extra hour was Return to businesses Operation time in exchange for removal of the chairs in the front of businesses. I don't know if that's true but it seems like a bad trade-off. It seems more businesses profit from customers relaxing sitting on the outside watching the festivities then from that extra hour for closing time.[/QUOTE]I heard that same rumor. That it was extra time in exchange for the tables removed. But I also heard Rumba was supposed to be re-opened Wednesday but I didn't see it open then. IMO I think the tables / chairs removed does have an effect on business. Premium Disco and the bar / restaurant across from Bermuda bar.

Many vacationers / expats and their company posted up outside of Premium Disco to drink. Because it's generally for locals inside, those same patrons I mentioned that sit outside will not go inside. That has a significant effect on PD's business. The bar / restaurant across from the Bermuda Bar lost some business because their tables / chairs was a postup spot for a lot of guys and chicas.

Schlemmers bar / restaurant (german restaurant) kinda took over as the Haitian Embassy. Also Bar Central. Their removal of tables and chairs caused more of an inconvenience. More chicas are now standing around Schlemmers, instead of sitting with guys out on the sidewalk. Bourbon Street often had locals (hustlers / chicas) occupying seats invited and uninvited, out on the sidewalk, before security would send them packing. All in all, with tables and chairs out on the sidewalk, those establishments generally had a steady stream of loitering chicas, moto drivers and husters. I personally had no problem with the chicas, but the rest that were always in your face I think were somewhat of a nuisance for a lot of folks.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1955428]Additionally there is a new venue in town, Pica Flor which I visited and reported on, but is expensive.[/QUOTE]Was it this place, Surfer?

[URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3999&article=1[/URL]

If so, I ate there when I was in Sosua a couple of years ago. But it had just opened up and there wasn't anyone there on the evening I visited except a waitress, the chef, and the manager. If it's the same place, it sounds like word spread and now it's a popular hangout.

I know a pair of sisters. I used to get with the younger sister. But I haven't seen her in a few months. I suspect she got pregnant or wifed up. (meaning some foreigner is paying to keep her off the street). Of course there are other possibilities. Some chicas leave the DR to visit other countries to work there. Anyway, I have always liked the older sister. She generally comes to Sosua from Puerto Plata, but only comes in the day. She generally will not stay past 5, maybe 6 if it's still light out. Like her sister she always appeared to be very good natured. Nothing hardcore about how she carries herself.

This past Monday, she was passing by Terra Linda, and I stopped her to talk. I told her it's time for me and her to get together. She didn't have a phone so I told her I'd talk to her later. When I saw her later, I told her that I wanted her to "help" me clean my place. She agreed. The next day, we meet at New Garden to have breakfast. While eating, I whip out my Ipad to explain what I wanted done, and that I wanted us to spend time together. I gave her a figure, she accepted and we left for my place.

Got to my place, and she went right to it. I stayed in the living room, and ended up keeping busy posting on ISG. Put on Spotify for her, and asked her what she wanted to listen to. She said she liked Chris Brown. Put that on, and she merrily went about her cleaning. The whole time, except for helping her find things or to know where a few things belonged, I didn't bother her or get in her way. She cleaned top to bottom, and cleaned in places I didn't even mention. I especially like what she did in the kitchen and bathroom.

The living room was the last place she cleaned. That means I had to retreat to the bedroom. By the time she was finished, she seemed to be a little pooped. She came in the bedroom to let me know she was finished. I pulled her down on the bed face down, unfastened her bra, and started to give her a nice back massage. After a few minutes she stopped me, and went to shower. Afterwards I showered, got the lotion and continued her massage. Eventually I flipped her over, and ended up playing with her pussy until she was ready.

For a p4 p chica I have to say she was great. The passion was there, her body was very responsive, she was clean. I can tell she doesn't really like hanging out looking for clients. That she would prefer to be off the street. My offer was ideal for both of us. She gets to service someone she knows, possibly likes to a certain degree, do regular work, and still earn more servicing me. What she earned with me, prompted her to leave Sosua earlier than she normally would.

I have more projects for her coming up. Cooking, laundry and washing vehicles. I'm sure there are going to be times where I'll have her over just to work, and for her company without sex. She will be welcome to just chill at my place, wash her own clothes if needed. We can build on this new arrangement.

Later that night, my pretend GF came over to spend the night. She didn't say anything, but I'm sure she noticed that the place was clean and organized. And that I probably didn't do it myself. I'm glad she noticed that her position can be filled. In fact since she took on a job and started coming less, I adjusted what I usually give her. No problem for her, I assume she has other guys paying their share. Especially in Sept. When I was gone almost a month.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1955726]I know a pair of sisters. I used to get with the younger sister. But I haven't seen her in a few months. I suspect she got pregnant or wifed up. (meaning some foreigner is paying to keep her off the street). Of course there are other possibilities. Some chicas leave the DR to visit other countries to work there. Anyway, I have always liked the older sister. She generally comes to Sosua from Puerto Plata, but only comes in the day. She generally will not stay past 5, maybe 6 if it's still light out. Like her sister she always appeared to be very good natured. Nothing hardcore about how she carries herself.

This past Monday, she was passing by Terra Linda, and I stopped her to talk. I told her it's time for me and her to get together. She didn't have a phone so I told her I'd talk to her later. When I saw her later, I told her that I wanted her to "help" me clean my place. She agreed. The next day, we meet at New Garden to have breakfast. While eating, I whip out my Ipad to explain what I wanted done, and that I wanted us to spend time together. I gave her a figure, she accepted and we left for my place.

Got to my place, and she went right to it. I stayed in the living room, and ended up keeping busy posting on ISG. Put on Spotify for her, and asked her what she wanted to listen to. She said she liked Chris Brown. Put that on, and she merrily went about her cleaning. The whole time, except for helping her find things or to know where a few things belonged, I didn't bother her or get in her way. She cleaned top to bottom, and cleaned in places I didn't even mention. I especially like what she did in the kitchen and bathroom.

The living room was the last place she cleaned. That means I had to retreat to the bedroom. By the time she was finished, she seemed to be a little pooped. She came in the bedroom to let me know she was finished. I pulled her down on the bed face down, unfastened her bra, and started to give her a nice back massage. After a few minutes she stopped me, and went to shower. Afterwards I showered, got the lotion and continued her massage. Eventually I flipped her over, and ended up playing with her pussy until she was ready.

For a p4 p chica I have to say she was great. The passion was there, her body was very responsive, she was clean. I can tell she doesn't really like hanging out looking for clients. That she would prefer to be off the street. My offer was ideal for both of us. She gets to service someone she knows, possibly likes to a certain degree, do regular work, and still earn more servicing me. What she earned with me, prompted her to leave Sosua earlier than she normally would.

I have more projects for her coming up. Cooking, laundry and washing vehicles. I'm sure there are going to be times where I'll have her over just to work, and for her company without sex. She will be welcome to just chill at my place, wash her own clothes if needed. We can build on this new arrangement.

Later that night, my pretend GF came over to spend the night. She didn't say anything, but I'm sure she noticed that the place was clean and organized. And that I probably didn't do it myself. I'm glad she noticed that her position can be filled. In fact since she took on a job and started coming less, I adjusted what I usually give her. No problem for her, I assume she has other guys paying their share. Especially in Sept. When I was gone almost a month.[/QUOTE]WRS2005 aka Sigmund Freud aka BQRib Jr. Clean up, relax, sex me, go home with money in your pocket. No tripping no drama. Earn a come back and repeat pass. All good.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1956007]WRS2005 aka Sigmund Freud aka BQRib Jr. Clean up, relax, sex me, go home with money in your pocket. No tripping no drama. Earn a come back and repeat pass. All good.[/QUOTE]Talking about sisters: aka Old Kool II.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1955710]Was it this place, Surfer?

[URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3999&article=1[/URL]

If so, I ate there when I was in Sosua a couple of years ago. But it had just opened up and there wasn't anyone there on the evening I visited except a waitress, the chef, and the manager. If it's the same place, it sounds like word spread and now it's a popular hangout.[/QUOTE]The place used to be Elvis in Cabarette and operates now out of the Pica Flor eating place at the end of Ocean Village Road in Sosua I did not see it in the link you provided.

Another rare night for me, hanging out past my bed time. 3 friends were in town. All just got in yesterday and the day before. The strip was alive. All on one side of the street. Bourbon Street was full. , The sidewalk in front was full. About 1215 am we walked down towards Merengue. Place was packed, every seat occupied. Alligator and squirrel eyes staring at men from every direction and angle. The fellas I was with only went in, because they were hungry. But were told that there was no food. We left and went to the German Restaurant (Schlemmers).

One guy, an acquaintance of mine, stayed behind but joined us minutes later but escorting a Haitian chica. Very cute face, nicely dressed, but not much ass. My acquaintance Bobby was about to order when he realized he didn't have enough money. He excused himself to go back to his hotel (Valeria) to get some money. Meanwhile he left the Haitian chica at the restaurant with us. It took, about 15 seconds for her to start campaigning for a replacement. She focused her immediate attention on my buddy J. J, tries to convince her that she is still with Bobby. She said, well Bobby is not here, I don't see why we can't exchange numbers or get together. . She was campaigning hard. Not just for later, but for J to leave with her right now. J, wasnt interested right then but maybe later, plus he already had something set up for after he ate.

Bobby comes back shortly, has no clue what transpired with all of us talking to this lady. He decides, he is too tired to take her himself. Oh shit. We all knew this chica is about to be pissed. And she was. I almost felt sorry for the lady. But then I reminded myself of how many times I may have been stood up by some chica that gave me some story, when in reality she found another client in the moment. And besides, look at what she was ready to do with J, even though she was supposedly waiting on Bobby. . You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Personally I don't see a problem with guys sticking up for themselves, or focusing on what's best for themselves. If a woman can change her mind and think nothing of it, and we have to deal with it, men can as well, and women have to deal with it, . .

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957033]Another rare night for me, hanging out past my bed time. 3 friends were in town. All just got in yesterday and the day before. The strip was alive. All on one side of the street. Bourbon Street was full. , The sidewalk in front was full. About 1215 am we walked down towards Merengue. Place was packed, every seat occupied. Alligator and squirrel eyes staring at men from every direction and angle. The fellas I was with only went in, because they were hungry. But were told that there was no food. We left and went to the German Restaurant (Schlemmers).

One guy, an acquaintance of mine, stayed behind but joined us minutes later but escorting a Haitian chica. Very cute face, nicely dressed, but not much ass. My acquaintance Bobby was about to order when he realized he didn't have enough money..[/QUOTE]No no and no! Your boy was dead ass wrong. He invited the girl to the restaurant, left to go get some money and came back and told her to scram? And you want to flip this on the girl? Then when women get tired of bullshit like this and want cash up front and acts hardcore we then say she is the devil. Don't invite a girl to sit if you aren't interested, don't buy them a drink if you aren't interested, it's a simple code. It's not a commitment to fuck. Sure you can change your mind, but be a man about your shit and don't play kid games in an adult environment. It's a fuck move. Fuck what she did because that didn't figure into what he did. See rude MF like that I wouldn't be around too much. He knew he was unsure from the beginning that's why he didn't go get his money before coming to the restaurant. He was stalling and wanted to show his boys the girl. The cool thing to do would have been to give her a beer and handle the situation with class being you instigated it. I applaud the girl for not making a scene but she was Haitian and knew she wouldn't get justice. If it had been a Dominicans it would have been a different story.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957033]
One guy, an acquaintance of mine, stayed behind but joined us minutes later but escorting a Haitian chica. Very cute face, nicely dressed, but not much ass. My acquaintance Bobby was about to order when he realized he didn't have enough money. He excused himself to go back to his hotel (Valeria) to get some money. Meanwhile he left the Haitian chica at the restaurant with us. It took, about 15 seconds for her to start campaigning for a replacement. She focused her immediate attention on my buddy J. J, tries to convince her that she is still with Bobby. She said, well Bobby is not here, I don't see why we can't exchange numbers or get together. . She was campaigning hard. Not just for later, but for J to leave with her right now. J, wasnt interested right then but maybe later, plus he already had something set up for after he ate. [/QUOTE]Are you sure it was Bobby? It sounds more like something a Dick would do. He comes out on the town and doesn't have enough money on him to buy her something to eat? If he was interested in the chica, he could have taken her back with him to the hotel for a chat and a preview, or taken her somewhere else to eat away from his pals.

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Bobby comes back shortly, has no clue what transpired with all of us talking to this lady. He decides, he is too tired to take her himself. Oh shit. We all knew this chica is about to be pissed. And she was. I almost felt sorry for the lady. But then I reminded myself of how many times I may have been stood up by some chica that gave me some story, when in reality she found another client in the moment. And besides, look at what she was ready to do with J, even though she was supposedly waiting on Bobby. . You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.



Personally I don't see a problem with guys sticking up for themselves, or focusing on what's best for themselves. If a woman can change her mind and think nothing of it, and we have to deal with it, men can as well, and women have to deal with it, . .[/QUOTE]Of course she was pissed off. She was working and he was wasting her time. It sounds like you still haven't gotten over being stood up by a chica a few nights ago due to your lack of decisiveness, which you admit is habitual, as this often happens to you.

I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1957221]I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.[/QUOTE]Tomjackin is there? That dirty dog, no wonder all my Sosua girls stopped calling last week.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957079]No no and no! Your boy was dead ass wrong. He invited the girl to the restaurant, left to go get some money and came back and told her to scram? And you want to flip this on the girl? Then when women get tired of bullshit like this and want cash up front and acts hardcore we then say she is the devil. Don't invite a girl to sit if you aren't interested, don't buy them a drink if you aren't interested, it's a simple code. It's not a commitment to fuck. Sure you can change your mind, but be a man about your shit and don't play kid games in an adult environment. It's a fuck move. Fuck what she did because that didn't figure into what he did. See rude MF like that I wouldn't be around too much. He knew he was unsure from the beginning that's why he didn't go get his money before coming to the restaurant. He was stalling and wanted to show his boys the girl. The cool thing to do would have been to give her a beer and handle the situation with class being you instigated it. I applaud the girl for not making a scene but she was Haitian and knew she wouldn't get justice. If it had been a Dominicans it would have been a different story.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't have a dog in that race. I don't think in anybody elses head, and I do not take responsibility for what anybody else does.

I do believe in karma though. She initiated her own demise in securing a client whether Bobby knew what she was doing or not. If she was invited as you say, then why is she exempt from scrutiny for dissing her date within 15 seconds of him going to get money? At that point, what did he do to deserve that? Nobody knew what his state of mind was until he got back. Moreover, lets not over exaggerate here. The guy didn't tell the woman to scram. He told her that he was tired, and can we do this another night. Trust that woman wouldn't be giving a fuck about her date, if she found another guy to walk off with. So I don't have any sympathy in situations like that. Had she been chilled and simply waited, then I would feel different.

Now, I'll just take the rest you are saying as you speculating on the mans state of mind and venting. But as far as I'm concerned, what happened seemed perfectly understandable on his part. Nobody owes anybody their time or business. I hate to throw you under the bus bro, but you recall that Haitian chica you told a lie to because you wanted to be with someone else? Do you think you handled that situation the right way after she travelled to see you? Remember? Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Ya can't be pointing fingers at others and not see the relevancy in any man deciding he wants to change his mind or plans. Granted, I do recall, you bought her drinks and gave her some pesos for her time, but bro. Dont buy drinks if you arent interested right? Dont invite if you arent interested right? That was a raggedly move. And it seemed the chica really wanted to hook up with you. What did she do to deserve that? Karma reared it's ugly head, because she spotted you somewhere you werent supposed to be.

But guess what? Inspite of that, I supported your right to change your mind and do what you felt was best for you. Bros before hoes. Thats how I saw it that night and that's how I saw it Monday night. And that is what I will support with you any other night. Now if you want to talk about wrong, then you should get on me as well for being a part of your charade with that Haitian chica.

My last post;.

There you go playing word games trying to pivot around the true and only topic that should've been discussed, which is your boy made a fuck move. Not what this girl did, not what she had coming, not doing what other girls did to us. She should've got a pass and not your boy.

WRX said " I don't have a dog in this race "but you found all kind of fault in the female but gave Bobby a pass.

WRX said " Moreover, lets not over exaggerate here. The guy didn't tell the woman to scram. He told her that he was tired, and can we do this another night. " So he invites her, tells her he needs to go get money and comes back and says he is tired and can we do this another night and somehow you don't think he is not telling her to leave?

With the Haitian chic it was good Karma because it was meant to be. Some things positive happen even when surrounded by negative events. I was buying the Haitian drinks as I decided how to play the night when you called. You came to the bar at Europa and me and the girl we're still drinking. I went to change my clothes so me and the Haitian could hit the strip (with me paying) but you made the friend play with the Haitian. Once the friend arrived you didn't like her so we were now in an awkward spot. To save face I lied and said I had an emergency and gave the girls 500 to go back home or whatever. We had made plans to go get some other girls. Luckily she found me at the bar across from Baileys and I explained everything. It was a great night, you were there in the morning when we went to the metro. That's totally different from the " fuck move" your buddy did. Stay on topic and let's discuss why your buddy did that? What was his perspective, and any other matrix regarding him you choose to discuss. But I'm not getting on that blame the female run you like to lead people on.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957205]Are you sure it was Bobby? [b]It sounds more like[/b] something a Dick would do. He comes out on the town and doesn't have enough money on him to buy her something to eat? [b]If he was interested[/b] in the chica, [b]he could have[/b] taken her back with him to the hotel for a chat and a preview, or taken her somewhere else to eat away from his pals.

Of course she was pissed off. She was working and he was wasting her time. [b]It sounds like[/b] you still haven't gotten over being stood up by a chica a few nights ago due to your lack of decisiveness, which you admit is habitual, as this often happens to you.[/QUOTE]How many times do I have to school you? What something sounds like, seems like or appears to be, don't make it a reality. Your what something sounds like, is just you with a hearing problem. Also the redundant / useless If statements. That guy was under no obligation to take her back to his hotel for a chat, or to take her elsewhere to buy her anything to eat, interested or not. Of course you would recommend such cape wearing trickery, Most people know it's probably better to interview a chica off your turf, and her not knowing where you stay, than inviting her in your spot before vetting her. Even a rookie monger would know better than that.

BTW all 3 of us at the table with that chica ( before the guy came back ) thought what she did was fucked up, trying diss her date and go off with one of us. So as far as her being pissed, neither of us could give a fuck. She got what she deserved. We respected the guy, by not initiating pushing up on his date while he was away. Thats how non cape wearing mongers support each other.

Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?

He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation.

In typical fashion, people trying to hustle us, they have the audacity to get pissed if you try to help someone or you protect yourself from their bullshit. But were supposed to always be on the up and up? I don't care if it is about their survival, my allegiance is geared more to supporting decent fellow mongers than those out there trying to manipulate or exploit us.

During our talk, the gentleman was trying to protest about the driver should have had change. I told him yeah, but you are in the DR now. You have to protect your own interests, regardless of how you believe things should be. Afterwards he thanked me for the information and went about his day.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957431]Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?

He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report WRX, I like hearing reports from the guys living there. Maybe next time you could not omit what that fare would normally be and what the outcome with the fare disagreement was.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957416]

BTW all 3 of us at the table with that chica ( before the guy came back ) thought what she did was fucked up, trying diss her date and go off with one of us. So as far as her being pissed, neither of us could give a fuck. She got what she deserved. We respected the guy, by not initiating pushing up on his date while he was away. Thats how non cape wearing mongers support each other.[/QUOTE]You were in Sosua, you all knew she was not a "date", she was a working girl out on the town at night looking for men to have sex for pay. In your previous post you said you "almost felt sorry for the lady" until you remembered how many times you personally had been stood up by chicas. Now you are saying that none of you gave a fuck how she felt, because you were all disgusted at the way she hit on you all as soon as Dick ran off to get some extra pocket money from his mama, when as far as you were concerned she was promised to Dick. You do not make it clear if any of you were attracted to her or not. If you weren't, then leaving her for Dick was no sacrifice on your part. So Dick comes back with the money, and all of a sudden poor Dick is "too tired" or maybe he has a headache. Whatever!

It is not clear how long the chica was distracted by this episode, but obviously she saw it as a waste of her time, and it would have been disappointing for her to think she had a sale and then to find that she didn't have one, some time after midnight when some potential customers would already have gone home or selected other partners, and that she might not have the two or three thousand pesos to pay her bills tomorrow unless she gets lucky and finds someone else.

OK, she will survive, and worse things have happened to her and perhaps she could have been more gracious, and perhaps she should not have hit on Dick's friends, (but that wasn't the reason he wimped out) but have you ever been in the position where you drive more than half an hour to see a client, spend another 3/4 hour explaining the service that the client has requested, and then the client decides they don't want it after all. You have worked a quarter of a day for no pay and used your own gasoline, and you have nothing to show for it. So do you turn to your Buddhist faith, and just accept this is karma for something bad you did before, or do you say to yourself "fuck this idiot!

I don't know how many times I have had to explain to people on this board that in Sosua you are not dealing with board certified professionals licensed by Medicare and carrying liability insurance, you are just dealing with (mostly) simple, uneducated girls (many of them single mothers) trying to earn a bit of money to pay for basic living costs by having sex with visitors. Yes, some of them are con women, cokeheads, thieves, etc. , but a surprising number are very nice and are excellent sex partners.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1957221]I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1957477]Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough![/QUOTE]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.

That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.

For a lot of us, it's time to move on!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957490]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. The jaded veterans just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.

That's why the board has become a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.

For a lot of us, it's time to move on![/QUOTE]Agreed, I've moved on and am fortunate enough to go all over the world while others seem to be stuck in the same place. There's nothing wrong with "factual reports" about changes happening in Sosua, however the reports that sound like 'days of our lives" or another "soap opera" are old, very old. Too much babble instead of helpful reports.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957490]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.

That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.

For a lot of us, it's time to move on![/QUOTE]Hey Oakie,

Missed you brother. The board reflects the decline currently going on in Sosua IMO. Most of us have the great memories of our old Sosua so naturally we will talk about it. Very few good impressions of this Sosua. We have always had posters who take two pages to say two sentences, we have always had arguments, we have always had guys who blame the women and we have always had guy's who appreciate the women. Photos are non -existent anymore, trip reports have been fading. You are correct that it's time to move on but we all still have a place for Sosua in our hearts. I haven't been to Sosua in 8 months when I used to go every month. I have no desire to go in it's current state and I have other spots, but I'm still waiting on a Sosua comeback. Don't take this chit chat on the board to have any real meaning because I don't.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957431]Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?

He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation.

In typical fashion, people trying to hustle us, they have the audacity to get pissed if you try to help someone or you protect yourself from their bullshit. But were supposed to always be on the up and up? I don't care if it is about their survival, my allegiance is geared more to supporting decent fellow mongers than those out there trying to manipulate or exploit us.

During our talk, the gentleman was trying to protest about the driver should have had change. I told him yeah, but you are in the DR now. You have to protect your own interests, regardless of how you believe things should be. Afterwards he thanked me for the information and went about his day.[/QUOTE]No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.

It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.

Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying.

Sosua has one-way traffic systems, so sometimes motos may use routes that don't look like the most direct route to get around the streets that are blocked off, for example you can only enter Dr. Rosen, where several hotels are located, from one end of the street, so you might have to go an extra turn around the block to get to the hotel. People who are on their first visit to town might be confused by this. Anyway $100 pesos is probably too much for a fare from Bourbon St. To any of the hotels in Sosua, and even late at night that would be the maximum, assuming there is only one passenger. If there is a second passenger, expect to pay double.

This is information that is highly useful to newbies and ought to be printed on cards and given to passengers arriving at the airport.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957490]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.[/QUOTE]What about the newbie reports for the past year that have not been exciting or optimistic? How have those been met?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957490]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.

That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.

For a lot of us, it's time to move on![/QUOTE]I love to see reports from new voices, but unfortunately there are not that many of them, and even when they do come not every one has the writing and reportorial skills to organize their reports so as to impart useful information and bring their reports to life. Also they are clearly often influenced by what has gone before rather than bringing a fresh set of eyes. Meanwhile there are large numbers of lurkers who like to have something to read, so inevitably there will be some different points of views, which is good. There is nothing to stop newbs from posting, but they are more likely to post to a board that looks active, where people will read their reports and comment on them, than posting to a board where the last post was written 3 months ago.

When I wrote my newbie report back in 19?? Or was it 18? I had experienced the most amazing trip of my life, and since there was no one in my everyday life to whom I could even mention the trip, writing online (the Internet was a fairly new thing) was the only release valve for working out the emotions brought out by the trip and sharing them with other people. So what I am saying is that first trip was so overpowering an experience that I was forced to write about it to work through the emotions.

Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.

I mean, I'm just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1957548]Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.

I mean, I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]All of what you stated may be true however you cannot give decent quality pussy in Spain for $25 a nut like in the D. R.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957490]For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.

That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
[/QUOTE]Completely agree.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1957477]Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough![/QUOTE]Again, completely agree. I saw your recent report; thanks.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957231]Tomjackin is there? That dirty dog, no wonder all my Sosua girls stopped calling last week.[/QUOTE]Nah, I've been exploring other countries and cities. Have not been to Sosua since last March. I will hit up the DR in January, but not Sosua.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1957221]I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1957548]Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.

I mean, I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Interesting suggestion, and I am the first one to tell mongers that they need to try different things. Personally, I have decided to go someplace different each mongering trip, instead of making one destination and habit which leads to disappointment.

However, I did look into Malaga earlier this year, specifically because I understood that there was a good variety of girls (African, Arab, East European and as well locals) and Costa del Sol is supposed to have a lot of attractions (I'm a history buff) and lots to do. First thing that I noticed was that airfare was prohibitive from where I live in the central US (whereas I get competitive airfares to Asia, including BKK). Secondly, I understand that most everything else is more expensive than the 3rd world destinations (though I agree that cheap beer is a serious draw!) Isn't the night line, dining and cab fare significantly more expensive, as well? If you are not on a budget and have more time (Sousa is a quick, inexpensive flight for some people in the US, though not everyone), Spain sounds like a good option. So, what are the other cons or cons versus the DR? I understand English is widely spoken in some resort areas of Spain. Hey, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957558]I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that quick note, Tom Jackin, even though mine was a rhetorical SOS, needing your intervention.

Some people are closet misogynists and write long winding prose to couch it. I like Gogo's style: Treat the pro as a pro and should you not like what she offers, move on. Perhaps Mr. Enternational is the greatest lover he claims to be, for I have never read of a single "miss" he has had and to me that sounds fiction, as I do not go anywhere near a casa. I do think that sex with a person with some chemistry is a hundred times better like Old Kool suggests and it is feasible in the DR. No point calling them be. Hes for we are all johns and no purer. As Frannie said, these are no first world putas so why * continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1957611] continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?[/QUOTE]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957558]Completely agree.

Again, completely agree. I saw your recent report; thanks.

Nah, I've been exploring other countries and cities. Have not been to Sosua since last March. I will hit up the DR in January, but not Sosua.

I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.

Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)

Thanks xxxxxx. !

Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.

I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.

The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.

He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.

Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.

Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!

I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!

Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.

Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957837]Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.

Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)

Thanks xxxxxx. !

Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.

I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.

The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.

He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.

Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.

Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!

I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!

Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.

Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.[/QUOTE]Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957861]Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.[/QUOTE]You too! :)

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957769]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day![/QUOTE]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957269]My last post;.

There you go playing word games trying to pivot around the true and only topic that should've been discussed, which is your boy made a fuck move. Not what this girl did, not what she had coming, not doing what other girls did to us. She should've got a pass and not your boy.[/QUOTE]1st off, there is no monger or working girl rules that anyone is required to follow. All we have is our own opinion of what's right or wrong. And technically there is no right or wrong. Its just decisions, POV, and outcome. Anybody can claim one way is right, and another is wrong, at the end of the day it don't make a bit of difference. Whats done is done. You think the guy is fucked up. So what? I'm sure he aint going to lose any sleep over that. Nobody has clean hands here. Most people have done some things somebody else thought was fucked up. If people were called out for every fucked up thing, we'd all have to be held accountable. Thats why I don't get the self righteous fingerpointing.

[QUOTE]WRX said " I don't have a dog in this race "but you found all kind of fault in the female but gave Bobby a pass.[/QUOTE]I gave him a pass because I felt he was entitled to change his mind. As for the female? She was no longer his date, or connected to him, the minute she decided to try to go off with another man. What exactly is your beef with his decision? He changed his mind, so what? There was no business contract? No binding clauses. That man is free to change his mind just like she freely changed hers to get with another man. Now tell me what did he owe this woman for not giving her his business? And please don't use the claim that that man is fucking things up for the rest of us. Unless somebody can come up with substantive facts, that is just an assumption. Personally, I think it's a good thing that these hoes realize that they don't have all of the power in this game, and that they know where their bread and butter comes from. What good is having power in the p4 p game, if a monger is obligated to put his needs above hoes?

[QUOTE]WRX said " Moreover, lets not over exaggerate here. The guy didn't tell the woman to scram. He told her that he was tired, and can we do this another night. " So he invites her, tells her he needs to go get money and comes back and says he is tired and can we do this another night and somehow you don't think he is not telling her to leave?[/QUOTE]He was in essence telling her to leave, of course. But he didn't say it in any disrespectful or fucked up manner the way you wrote it. The way he said it was apologetic, and even though she was pissed / disappointed, she left peacefully. So I wanted to get that part straight. Besides, she is a hoe. If he saw her again, and said lets go. What do you think she is going to do, telll him to scram? I think we both know better.
No hoes anger or disappointment is gonna manipulate me from looking out for my own interests. They'll get over it.

[QUOTE] With the Haitian chic it was good Karma because it was meant to be. Some things positive happen even when surrounded by negative events. I was buying the Haitian drinks as I decided how to play the night when you called. You came to the bar at Europa and me and the girl we're still drinking. I went to change my clothes so me and the Haitian could hit the strip (with me paying) but you made the friend play with the Haitian. Once the friend arrived you didn't like her so we were now in an awkward spot. To save face I lied and said I had an emergency and gave the girls 500 to go back home or whatever. We had made plans to go get some other girls. Luckily she found me at the bar across from Baileys and I explained everything. It was a great night, you were there in the morning when we went to the metro. That's totally different from the " fuck move" your buddy did. Stay on topic and let's discuss why your buddy did that? What was his perspective, and any other matrix regarding him you choose to discuss. But I'm not getting on that blame the female run you like to lead people on.[/QUOTE]Bro, I'm not talking about how the night eventually finished. I'm talking about what amounts to you having a double standard.

You told me way before the Haitian girl even arrived that you wasnt sure about being with her. That you wanted to stay loose. You had already invited her to come and you were unsure, just like you claimed this guy was. So that's one thing you both had in common. The Haitian chicas friend does not factor into this, because that has nothing to do with you being able to connect with the lady you invited. And like I said, you wasnt aborting for me, you were aborting for you. When the Haitian chica was out of earshot you conveyed to me of how you were going to ditch her, and I agreed to meet you at another bar.

If my memory serves me right, you walked in the direction of the ATM's and caught a moto down the street instead of Europa. Apparently she must have caught her own moto, and busted you at the bar I was supposed to meet you at. I get there, and you both are sitting there. And now the same chica you are not interested in being with you invited inside this bar, and buying her a drink again. The same criteria you alluded to being fucked up. Why keep buying drinks for a woman you are not interested in being with? The icing on the cake, is you put everything on me, and claimed you didn't want to hurt her feelings. Which means you avoided taking responsibility for your own behavior. When that chick found you at the 2nd bar, that 500 pesos was nothing more than a guilt payoff. But she probably was too jaded to pay attention to how she got dumped. There is no way I was responsible for any of the decisions you made. Not me, nor the Haitians chicas friend has anything to do with your decision . You wanted to be free, and did all of the aforementioned particulars to accomplish that.

Now the reason why I felt that you shouldn't be finger pointing, because what you did amounted to all the things you claim to despise, and how you wouldnt be around a guy like that. Walking down the street and sneakily catching a moto? You dont see a problem with that? At least the guy I talked about, came back and gave an excuse more believable.

[QUOTE]Mr GoGo say Then when women get tired of bullshit like this and want cash up front and acts hardcore we then say she is the devil. [b]Don't invite a girl to sit if you aren't interested, don't buy them a drink if you aren't interested[/b], it's a simple code. It's not a commitment to fuck. [b]Sure you can change your mind, but be a man about your shit and don't play kid games in an adult environment[/b]. It's a fuck move. Fuck what she did because that didn't figure into what he did. See rude MF like that I wouldn't be around too much. He knew he was unsure from the beginning[/QUOTE]When you lied to the chica about your reason for changing plans, walked off to catch a moto without being seen by the chica, confusing the chica by buying drinks with no intention of getting with her that night, then later using me as scapegoat, and you think that qualifies as being a man about your shit, and not playing games? What games you played with that chica IMO was far worse than what that guy did. You paying her off or buying her drinks, does not change that fact.

I was happy that the both of you finally got together. If you recall, I told you way back at Europa that you should get with her, that I thought she was cute. Wasnt it you that was adamant about not wanting to follow through?. It wasnt any other reason. Now as far as the guy is concerned or that woman, like you, both of them might have had a positive outcome from not following through with each other. I could be dead wrong about the Karma thing. It worked out for you. It could happen for either of them as well. At the end of the day, I still maintain a monger has the right to change his mind, and does not necessarily owe a hoe something just because he changes his mind. If he chooses to compensate a woman, that is on him. In spite of that raggedy situation, I still supported your right to change your mind. Sometimes lies need to be told, to get what we want. But I'm not going to judge another monger for doing what he needs to do to free himself. You feel different. But you demonstrated by your own example that you are no different. We all do some form of dirt.

When I 1st read your statement, the 1st thing that popped in my head was that you have a double standard. One for yourself, and another where you see fit. Thats why I do not see you and that guy as being any different. Especially if we apply the particulars in your statement.

Do you recall the day in Boca Chica, where some chica was eye balling you on the beach? She eventually came up to you, sat down and tried to make conversation. After a few minutes, she asked you to buy her a cerveza, and you refused. Later that night the same thing happened to me. One of the bar girls invited herself over, sat down and tried to engage me. She asked me to buy her a cerveza. You were standing at the time, you looked at me and said it's okay to pay for a drink, and be sociable. I was like, huh? Since when did I need someones approval or input on what I can do when a chica asks me to buy drinks? When the chica on the beach asked for a drink you flat out told her no, but now you have a different standard for me if someone asks me to buy them drinks? You know that's what them bargirls do to guys on the regular. You are supposed to be looking out for me, not advocating for me to play into their hands.

[QUOTE=XXL;1957890]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.[/QUOTE]Lots of Germans like Sosua, too.

But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play, I'm not sure some of them could handle the sophisticated hookers they have in Europe.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1957769]Spain?

I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.

The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.

Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day![/QUOTE]Don't know what venues you frequented but there are ads all over the place for the prices I stated, although perhaps not in the two most expensive cities in Spain. Regarding air fare, I looked on kayak last night and saw $340 round trip from NYC to Madrid and $370 to Barcelona. It's true you won't find many Spanish prostitutes in Spain, other than 'las putas de la ruta' who exist mostly for truckers and are mostly not fuckable even by my low standards. Taxis are not expensive in Spain, although they may be more expensive than a motoconcho in the DR. Taxis are also unnecessary in Spain 95% of the time.

Re dining out: it is significantly LESS expensive than in many places, especially since the sales tax is built into the price and Spaniards do not tip. Is 10 euro for a four course lunch too much? And that is a net price. I mostly cook for myself and food is cheaper in the supermarket than in the US and of better quality. Regarding English being widely spoken in resort areas, I don't know because I speak Spanish, but the resort areas are not where you want to go to monger. Go to ordinary Spanish cities like Zaragosa, Valencia, Cuenca, etc.

Anyone with specific questions about Spain can PM me, as I don't want to de-rail the thread.

Some updates:

Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.

Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.

Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.

All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.

1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.

The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.

Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.

Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who.

Pickpockets avoid them you've been Warned exchange rate is 46 to one.

I had one my Regular on the way from PP so I was just Windowshopping.

2000 to 3000 pesos is still the going rate for all night with some bargaining.

It is still some women asking for "100 US and getting it.

I will be on the strip tonight keeping you guys informed hopefully some part-time.

Out of Town Chicas come through.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1957929]Some updates:

Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.

Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.

Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.

All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.

1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.

The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.

Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.

Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who..[/QUOTE]Now THAT'S a useful report.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957515]No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.

It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.

Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying.

Sosua has one-way traffic systems, so sometimes motos may use routes that don't look like the most direct route to get around the streets that are blocked off, for example you can only enter Dr. Rosen, where several hotels are located, from one end of the street, so you might have to go an extra turn around the block to get to the hotel. People who are on their first visit to town might be confused by this. Anyway $100 pesos is probably too much for a fare from Bourbon St. To any of the hotels in Sosua, and even late at night that would be the maximum, assuming there is only one passenger. If there is a second passenger, expect to pay double.

This is information that is highly useful to newbies and ought to be printed on cards and given to passengers arriving at the airport.[/QUOTE]No Frannie. I don't recommend anybody getting on any moto, until AFTER they get the particulars mutually understood. Once that's established, then you can get on. You get on a moto 1st and start talking, you'll be down the fucking street.

I also recommend getting them to repeat the price and the destination. Frannies advice about not asking the fare because you are asking to be suckered into overpaying, is ridiculous. The main reason for asking what the fare is, is so you won't be suckered into overpaying. Just because you ask a price doesn't mean you have to pay what's quoted. A person has options. No that's too high, this is what I will pay or wait for them to make a counter offer you can agree to. I won't even bother to ask how you came up with that "asking to be suckered" shit. I already know.

There are other situations where telling people what you are willing to pay may have it's disadvantages. You approach someone and tell them what you will pay for an item or a service, thinking you are being smart, not realizing the other individual may have had a lower price than what you had in mind. So now you are paying extra for your ignorance.

If you pay attention to enough locals and how they do business it works just like that. Locals in general are known for bargaining. Sellers tend to avoid giving prices when they can. Instead many rather you tell them what you are willing to pay. So they can possible come out on top of the transaction. For certain situations it's probably wiser not to show your hand so quickly asserting how much your willing to pay. Of course it depends on what you are paying for.

Example. You hail a cab in Santiago airport, and tell him you are going to Sosua. Since taxi prices can vary from one to the next, you don't have anything to lose by asking the fare up front, and negotiating from there. You don't go " I got $100 take me to Sosua" Just because you heard some guys have paid that or more. I know of instances where guys have told people what they wanted to pay, the other party agreed, then later found out that they severely overpaid. That can apply to a lot of things or situations.

The last taxi I got from Santiago to Sosua, was 3000 pesos. Probably could have got a lower rate had I negotiated further or sought a better price from another taxi. He got my business because he had a van, and I had a lot of luggage this trip. Too cumbersome for relying on using Metro or Caribe Tours. I'd rather pay 3000 pesos to ride in a van comfortably, than save a few pesos more if my other option was a small compact.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957440]Thanks for the report WRX, I like hearing reports from the guys living there. Maybe next time you could not omit what that fare would normally be and what the outcome with the fare disagreement was.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I think moto fares are a debatable subject. I suspect locals usually pay less than we do for the same ride. I believe vacationers and expats, tend to pay 50 pesos to most detsinations within Sosua during the day and early evening. Some motos insist on 100 pesos during late night. I'm reasonably sure, where one guy wants 100 pesos, there will be a moto nearby who will accept 50 for the same ride. Motoconchos are very competitive with each other.

I've had chicas come to my place various times at night from within Sosua, and still only paid 50 pesos for that ride. I've also had chicas dropped off at night, and the moto expectied to get paid 100 pesos Typically ill give a chica traveling within Sosua 50 pesos, and wait for her to come inside the gate. I'm not paying 100 pesos, Especially when that is not how much she would be charged and I am not the passenger. . Besides, a chica, like us should get the price up front before she gets on the moto. The fact that chicas don't look out for us, tells a story of how they treat us like ATM machines. In some instances, I'll tell a chica up front to pay for her own moto to get to my spot. Thats even better.

Other destinations outside of Sosua, that can vary. I usually pay 100 pesos for one of my chicas motos, from that town up in the hills from Sosua Abajo. Starts with an M. Marinetta?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957913]But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play,[/QUOTE]More than the "difficulties", it is the grand philosophizing that gets my goat. As you say, it is P4P in Sosua, and it is legal to boot, how complicated can that be? Too bad a budding Proust has chosen a Puta board, to try his real passion. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;1957890]Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.[/QUOTE]I have no problem adding Germany as I am rather fond of the FKKs but you get the same mix, the usual culprits from Latin America and add to that the East Europeans and an occasional Russian and Italian that I have had, mostly past their prime.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1957913]Lots of Germans like Sosua, too.

But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play, I'm not sure some of them could handle the sophisticated hookers they have in Europe.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you mean in regards to European hookers being "sophisticated". In most places in Europe, there is not too much room for haggling, and there is no visible pattern of European prostitutes, trying to take advantage of tourists, (with certain notable exceptions of course, some options are targeted towards tourists). In the bordellos, there is typically a hard, fixed pricing for time and special services. In Germany, these places have websites and pricing online, so you can actually know how much money to take with you (and I have done just that, to avoid being "upsold" Independents aren't that much more flexible). On the German freelancer site, [URL]Kaufmich.com[/URL], you will typically see the girls indicate that prices are not negotiable, and sometimes a stern warning not to even try haggling. You can bargain a bit in the Laufhauses, but last time I was in one, pricing used to be relative to what floor the girl was on (higher floor, lower prices and apparently the rent for room is based on the level).

On the other hand, look at the arguments going on this thread regarding how much to pay a motococho. If cab fare is such a volatile issue, I can only imagine what it can be like for a freelancer haggling to let you invade her body. Not something you would think about in Europe, with its strict meters and typically expensive cab fare. I'm inclined to say Germany, at least, is a good starting point for the entry level monger.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957505]Hey Oakie,

Missed you brother. The board reflects the decline currently going on in Sosua IMO. Most of us have the great memories of our old Sosua so naturally we will talk about it. Very few good impressions of this Sosua. We have always had posters who take two pages to say two sentences, we have always had arguments, we have always had guys who blame the women and we have always had guy's who appreciate the women. Photos are non -existent anymore, trip reports have been fading. You are correct that it's time to move on but we all still have a place for Sosua in our hearts. I haven't been to Sosua in 8 months when I used to go every month. I have no desire to go in it's current state and I have other spots, but I'm still waiting on a Sosua comeback. Don't take this chit chat on the board to have any real meaning because I don't.[/QUOTE]I meant move on from this board.

But every time I think I've had it, another brother like you Mr. GoGo, comes out with the common sense that got me here in the first place.

We all come to Sosua from different experiences back home, and our values are all over the place. A bargain for a chica to an ex pat who lives there, is not the same as a bargain to a rich guy that escapes a complicated marriage a couple times a year. One expects to pay no more than 1500 or so, but the business man don't have time to fuck around and bargain.

Why should he? He sees something that he wants and if he can get it for 4000 he can't believe his luck. He'll not risk losing her for the price of a hamburger, nor is he about to spend his vacation worrying about other mongers complaining about how much he is willing to pay. It's tough, but it's life, and I have been on both sides of it.

Some guys only get down there a couple times so they splurge, others have to ration their purchasing power. That's normal.

There are so many variables, that to each is own. More than one way to skin a cat.

But I think that dissing putas is for small minds and egomaniacs. We hang with them so we are just denigrating ourselves. I don't think being polite and respectful ever hurt a monger, but I guess it depends on who you like to hang with!

Get a bad session, pull yourself up and move on. It's not TV, it's the Third World.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1957961]... that town up in the hills from Sosua Abajo. Starts with an M. Marinetta?[/QUOTE]Maranatha.

It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).

I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).

I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.

Odd how Yanks use the word "town". I remember as a 13-year-old watching the movie "Shane". Most of the action takes place on a remote ranch. They talk a lot about what is going on "in town". The action moves there for the climax and I was shocked to find that the "town" consisted of about eight small buildings.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957515]No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.

It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.

Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying..[/QUOTE]I think somebody should tell these folks that hiring a ride is not a complicated process for most adults.

I can see why they have such disagreement on how to treat a hooker, or actually get laid in a brothel.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957515]No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change.[/QUOTE]Is this really a conversation between two intelligent veterans?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1958062]Maranatha.

It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).

I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).

I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.

[/QUOTE]Well, it probably means, 'Come, O Lord' and the rest of the rubric is wishful thinking on the part of the faithful. The "atha" part comes from the same root as the word "theist". As you suggest, the settlement was founded by evangelical missionaries. The link below will tell you a bit more about the history of the place.

[URL]http://www.thesamaritanfoundationdr.com/villages/maranatha/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1958062]Maranatha. [/QUOTE]There is a Brazilian evangelical church (fairly recent) in my town, called Maranatha Church. It was an odd name but did not think anything of it and the only connection I had made was with Amaranth. Speaking of my stupidity. Aramaic, wow! Wasn't there a Mel Gibson movie on Christ, where all spoke Aramaic?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1957505]Photos are non -existent anymore, [/QUOTE]Here you go brother. A small photo sampler.

1 - Sosua, 2 - Santiago, 3 - SD, 4 - GBP in SD, 5 - Sosua.

Had a marvelous time with each and every one of them last month. "Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" DR, I wish I knew how to quit you.

For all the guys buying phones for chicks:

[URL]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh7C7PL01g283N7T4S[/URL]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1958111]Here you go brother. A small photo sampler.

1 - Sosua, 2 - Santiago, 3 - SD, 4 - GBP in SD, 5 - Sosua.

Had a marvelous time with each and every one of them last month. "Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" DR, I wish I knew how to quit you.[/QUOTE]Back at you Parkinson's with Boca chica and San Pedro.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1958103]There is a Brazilian evangelical church (fairly recent) in my town, called Maranatha Church. It was an odd name but did not think anything of it and the only connection I had made was with Amaranth. Speaking of my stupidity. Aramaic, wow! Wasn't there a Mel Gibson movie on Christ, where all spoke Aramaic?[/QUOTE]'Maran atha' in Syrian Aramaic means 'you lord' (lord in the meaning of 'influential rabbi). That's it.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1957452]You were in Sosua, you all knew she was not a "date", she was a working girl out on the town at night looking for men to have sex for pay. In your previous post you said you "almost felt sorry for the lady" until you remembered how many times you personally had been stood up by chicas. Now you are saying that none of you gave a fuck how she felt, because you were all disgusted at the way she hit on you all as soon as Dick ran off to get some extra pocket money from his mama, when as far as you were concerned she was promised to Dick. You do not make it clear if any of you were attracted to her or not. If you weren't, then leaving her for Dick was no sacrifice on your part. So Dick comes back with the money, and all of a sudden poor Dick is "too tired" or maybe he has a headache. Whatever!

It is not clear how long the chica was distracted by this episode, but obviously she saw it as a waste of her time, and it would have been disappointing for her to think she had a sale and then to find that she didn't have one, some time after midnight when some potential customers would already have gone home or selected other partners, and that she might not have the two or three thousand pesos to pay her bills tomorrow unless she gets lucky and finds someone else.[/QUOTE]FYI, Sherlock. I happened to bump into the guy yesterday in front of Sosua Suites. I had a question I wanted to ask him since the recent posts emerged over his behavior.

I asked him, how did that chica end up coming with him into the restaurant? He said when us 3 left Merengue Bar, he stayed behind a few minutes to talk to someone, and then left. On the sidewalk in front of Merengue Bar, that chica started talking to him, and started walking along side of him, campaigning hard trying to get business. "Sound" familiar? It aint but a few steps from Merengue to the German restaurant. She followed him into the restaurant. And pulled up a stool next to him. So, she wasnt his date like we all thought. He did not invite her into the restaurant, and he never told her he wanted to be with her, nor did he say come with me. Her deciding to come into the restaurant uninvited was ALL on her.

Knowing this, a few things make sense. One, he never bought her any drinks, he never ordered any food. So there was never any expectation that he was buying her food. Her behavior? Since he did not invite her, she invited herself into the restaurant, her talking to us and trying to secure a customer makes much more sense than her blatantly going after one of us, when we all assumed she was with him. His departure to secure more money, was just him needing to get money. He wasnt responsible for her, and he wasnt leaving her. She was on her own. She stayed, because she thought she still might turn him into a customer. She gambled and lost. And in typical local fashion, she was pissed or disappointed because her plan back fired. Many locals do not take responsibility. They get mad when they dont get what they want.

When the dude came back and saw her still there and acting like she was waiting for him, that's when he felt he needed to respectfully tell her he was tired and maybe another time. Now since you are a Frannie, I'm sure you will probably say, he should have told her he wasnt interested when she was on the street or when she followed him to the restaurant. That would be a good question or point. . But I know how it is sometimes when chicas do that. Approach you on the street trying to be persuasive, and at the same time you don't want to brush them off like they are a piece of shit. So you kinda let them try to get their sales pitch in, figuring they will eventually move on. Perhaps he thought by going into the restaurant, he would have ditched her, and he wouldn't have to say anything. Instead, she followed him into the restaurant. Maybe he thought she would bounce once he left to get money? If she had left on her own, problem solved.

Let me recap for you super sleuth. No monger owes some chica his time or payoffs if he did not invite the woman to sit with him, did not buy her food or drinks. He is entitled to leave the restaurant to go get money from his hotel, come back and hang with his buddies. That chick entered the place as a free agent, and left as one, entitled to talk to anybody she wanted to, including any of us. Her getting pissed, is her fucking problem. Disappointments are just part of the game, we all have to deal with it. Since I have been enlightened further, I have amended my perspective of both of them.

In conclusion, I make no apologies for supporting my fellow mongers, as well as my friends any day. The theme of my posts is, Bros before Hoes. We need more men to stand up for other men, their interests, their motivations, and their perspective. IMO that's one of the reasons men in America (and other places in the world) are catching hell with their women. Men before us, gave women too much power, authority, and undeserved benefits It's out of fucking control. And now men want to bring their fantasies and emotional needs abroad, so they can be exploited here. They won't be happy until women abroad turn into AW clones. Sadly, it's becoming a sausage fest of more and more men caring more about female interests than their own, or their brothers in common. Yes some may say, "naw man. I'm standing up for principle, I don't care who is wrong. If a man is wrong, he's wrong. If a woman is wrong, she's wrong".

Of course anybody can see that when we make those types of statements, oft times they are fallacies. Everywhere you look we (me included) ALL are walking contradictions of individuals supposedly standing up for principle. How we generally operate? We operate by the standard. Where we stand on the issue depends on where we sit. Which means, we change and bend rules and where principles apply as we see fit. We do things undercover, and then act like we are superior to others. (yes I have done it, and still do it unwittingly). There are no one standard of principles to follow. It's decisions, POV and outcome. Thats the reality of life. Now Mr Frannie, you want to offer some more judgemental perspective, have at it. Just remember, you are included and aint no different than anybody else.

[QUOTE=Questner;1958141]'Maran atha' in Syrian Aramaic means 'you lord' (lord in the meaning of 'influential rabbi). That's it.[/QUOTE]I was impressed with Charles Pooter. With you, I am impressed even more. I who know nothing but the name of that archaic language.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1958062]Maranatha.

It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).

I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).

I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.

Odd how Yanks use the word "town". I remember as a 13-year-old watching the movie "Shane". Most of the action takes place on a remote ranch. They talk a lot about what is going on "in town". The action moves there for the climax and I was shocked to find that the "town" consisted of about eight small buildings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for correct name and spelling.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1958111]"Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" [/QUOTE]Please note that I use those terms with a great deal of respect and endearment as some of the best experiences in my life have come in bug infested Third World shit holes. Leticia, Colombia comes immediately to mind. I cannot believe it has been almost forty years since I fucked a hooker on a blanket on the ground outside a brothel there for a mere $2 US. But I am getting a bit long in the tooth now, and kind of appreciate being able to flush the toilet paper as opposed to throwing it in a (bug infested) bucket.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1958308]... that archaic language. [/QUOTE]Ancient, but not archaic. Still spoken today.

We can't have archaic and eat it, too.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1958263]FYI, Sherlock. I happened to bump into the guy yesterday in front of Sosua Suites. I had a question I wanted to ask him since the recent posts emerged over his behavior.

I asked him, how did that chica end up coming with him into the restaurant? He said when us 3 left Merengue Bar, he stayed behind a few minutes to talk to someone, and then left. On the sidewalk in front of Merengue Bar, that chica started talking to him, and started walking along side of him, campaigning hard trying to get business. "Sound" familiar? It aint but a few steps from Merengue to the German restaurant. She followed him into the restaurant. And pulled up a stool next to him. So, she wasnt his date like we all thought. He did not invite her into the restaurant, and he never told her he wanted to be with her, nor did he say come with me. Her deciding to come into the restaurant uninvited was ALL on her.

Knowing this, a few things make sense. One, he never bought her any drinks, he never ordered any food. So there was never any expectation that he was buying her food. Her behavior? Since he did not invite her, she invited herself into the restaurant, her talking to us and trying to secure a customer makes much more sense than her blatantly going after one of us, when we all assumed she was with him. Blah, blah, blah....[/QUOTE]Keep on digging.

1. In your initial post YOU SAID this Dick had invited the chica into the restaurant and that she was his date, but she behaved shockingly by hitting on each of you as soon as his back was turned, but out of unswerving loyalty to him, you all spurned her advances.

2. I responded that she was in fact a hooker who had followed a group of unattached guys into a restaurant, not a date, and was just doing what hookers do.

3. You responded again admitting that you completely misread the situation from the get-go and that she was in fact a hooker who had followed a group of unattached guys into a restaurant, not a date, and was just doing what hookers do. Well done!

Last night there was a nice jazz concert in front of the casino.

Plenty of women upstairs and downstairs of CLassicos.

I was walking on the strip this afternoon and noticed the TVs on in Rumba.

Plus The place was full with chairs a day ago it was empty no chairs.

There were three guys in there working I asked when is the place opening they said hopefully Saturday.

The place has changed but it's still a buyers market I'll keep you guys posted on the latest changes.

Last night Thursday the curfew went to 3 am on the strip.

2 nights in a row The police didn't arrest any girls and the chairs and tables were back on the Sidewalks.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1958421]Ancient, but not archaic. Still spoken today.[/QUOTE]Aramaic is still spoken today? The Syriac version, I understand is used in liturgy in some (mainly orthodox) churches including St. Thomas' church in India, I read in Wikipedia. Indeed, I read Hebrew and Arabic were offshoots of that language and Jesus and the Jews of his time spoke Aramaic.

Sorry everyone else. Last post on this in this forum.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1958462]Last night there was a nice jazz concert in front of the casino.

Plenty of women upstairs and downstairs of CLassicos.

I was walking on the strip this afternoon and noticed the TVs on in Rumba.

Plus The place was full with chairs a day ago it was empty no chairs.

There were three guys in there working I asked when is the place opening they said hopefully Saturday.

The place has changed but it's still a buyers market I'll keep you guys posted on the latest changes.

Last night Thursday the curfew went to 3 am on the strip.

2 nights in a row The police didn't arrest any girls and the chairs and tables were back on the Sidewalks.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what the owner of Platinum Bar told me was going to happen.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1958439]Keep on digging.

In your initial post YOU SAID this Dick had invited the chica into the restaurant and that she was his date, but she behaved shockingly by hitting on each of you as soon as his back was turned, but out of unswerving loyalty to him, you all spurned her advances.[/QUOTE]Not exactly, Mr Frannie. In my initial post, I said the guy ESCORTED the chica into the restaurant. I didn't say anything about him INVITING her into the restaurant. Do you know the difference between escorting someone vs inviting someone? You assumed he invited her, and then talked about him not having enough money to buy her something to eat. And suggested that he could have taken her elsewhere to buy her something to eat.

A man and a woman walking into a restaurant together doesn't mean the one with the Dick invited the one with the Pussy. Thats just Frannie logic. Inviting someone or escorting someone, neither practice means only one of them is supposed to be paying for the other. Regardless of what we all thought, the guy was not obligated to buy the chick anything. We at least assumed correctly they were together for a potential p4 p arrangement. And we thought negative of her because we thought they were together for that purpose, and he was her potential client. We all thought what she was doing after he left was whack. But I have amended my perspective in that regard.

In fact this whole scenario might have a lesson to be learned. Old habits die hard. Many of us have this mindset that a man usually pays for women. Some of us, can't help ourselves. Many of us grew up with that belief / habit. We'll pick up a womans tab, send drinks over to a womans table, and think nothing of it. But why when it comes to being around hookers and hoes, many of us men automatically assume it's our duty to be offering or buying food and drink for these particular women? What is it about us as men that would have us and a Frannie think that just because a guy escorts or invites a hooker into a restaurant, that that man is going to buy food /drinks for the hooker? Or that he owes that hooker compensation if he decides he is not interested in giving her business?

Deep down most of us know we don't really owe a hooker anything when a hooker voluntarily spends time with us, and we decide not to hire them for sex. But many of us have learned, or realized that many of these hookers have adopted the mindset that the moment you engage them by having them/letting them sit with you, buy them drinks or food, or they go with you anywhere, you just hired them. So the question then becomes, should a man go by what he believes, or what the hookers believe they are entitled to?

Its funny how you oft times mention how many of these chicas are not professionals blah blah blah. But when it comes down to this issue of them thinking their time was being wasted, many of them muggs sure as hell act like hardcore professionals. Many of these muggs have gotten worse, because buying them food and / drink doesn't mean jack to them. Enough of them still feel you owe them money if they sat with you, or went with you somewhere.

I've talked to quite a few guys, expats and vacationers, and most agree, when you buy food and drink for many of these hookers, those offers are NOT appreciated nor reduces their expectations for compensation. And it damn sure doesn't entitle a guy to getting better sex / sessions. It doesnt make them genuinely like you more. Whatever positive behavior you may see from them,acting like they like you, is just them trying to encourage and reinforce more useless gifting. Its a facade. Watch what happens if you stop giving or refuse a request. They will more than likely turn on you in an instant. Think you are malo or cheapy cheapy. Everything you did before, all counts for nothing. When we buy food, drink, give gifts, groceries, all that shit is on you. It may have no significant effect on reducing pussy costs or enhancing a womans sexual / companionship output.

So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered? Thats why I am in accord with something Mr E alluded to in another forum. He basically implied that some of the extra shit we do thinking it's leading to better performance, better sex, more availability is unnecessary. And I say, counter productive and delusional. IMO almost everything about women in the DR suggests to me, that payment after services are rendered is the preferred and best way to handle business with hookers. Benefits, offerings and gifts presented before services are rendered can lead to problems and imbalances resulting in possibly being exploited, manipulated and taken advantage of. And definitely in many instances, unappreciated. But you pay a hooker only what she earned and when she earns it, then you are more likely keeping things more balanced and in your favor.

Start catching feelings and go above and beyond for a hooker, she may make you pay for getting soft and emotional over nothing. "she sucked my dick, I got to pay more" "she swallowed my leche. I got to pay more" " She let me hit it raw, I got to get her an iphone 7". " she has been texting me syrupy shit making me feel good, I got to pay for that" "Man I loved the way she moaned and came hard, made me feel more like a man, I got to give her a 200 pesos tip so she will hold no stops next time we get together".

Meanwhile that thought process really gets you nowhere. You will get whatever, your hooker is up to giving you when YOUR turn comes up. Remember, some of these hookers have short term memory. They can't remember and sort out every client to know who gets regular vs high test pussy / sessions. When you think about it, it even sounds ridiculous what we do thinking it automatically entitles us to better performance or preferential treatment. If anything, guys better beware and make sure that we arent the ones being treated like trained seals.

What I mean is, A hooker can very well adjust her performance to make you think you are getting a superior performance, knowing you'll likely pay more (or tip). You think you are paying for a better performance. But what she is doing is training you to get more $$$ out of you. Meanwhile she will fuck her local men the same way for nothing or next to it, or the next client the same way for less than what you paid.. Just because we are the ones paying and have a lot of money doesn't mean we got this all figured out. DR women ( hell women in general ) are very resourceful / intuitive when it comes to deciphering our weaknesses and what we respond to.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1958496]That's exactly what the owner of Platinum Bar told me was going to happen.[/QUOTE]That's what I said too, during the long hot slow season, when folks were predicting the end of Sosua, and recommending moving on, or even moving out!

I said by December, it will be business as usual. I took the usual heat for that.

The demise of Sosua, is always greatly exaggerated.

All they do is re-arrange the chairs, once in a while, to cover up what is really going on, namely deciding who gets to run the very, very lucrative business.

Unlike our cities, it doesn't involve gang wars.

Dominicans are too nice! :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1958606]Not exactly, Mr Frannie. In my initial post, I said the guy ESCORTED the chica into the restaurant. I didn't say anything about him INVITING her into the restaurant. Do you know the difference between escorting someone vs inviting someone? You assumed he invited her, and then talked about him not having enough money to buy her something to eat. And suggested that he could have taken her elsewhere to buy her something to eat.

A man and a woman walking into a restaurant together doesn't mean the one with the Dick invited the one with the Pussy. Thats just Frannie logic. Inviting someone or escorting someone, neither practice means only one of them is supposed to be paying for the other. Regardless of what we all thought, the guy was not obligated to buy the chick anything. We at least assumed correctly they were together for a potential p4 p arrangement. And we thought negative of her because we thought they were together for that purpose, and he was her potential client. We all thought what she was doing after he left was whack. But I have amended my perspective in that regard.

In fact this whole scenario might have a lesson to be learned. Old habits die hard. Many of us have this mindset that a man usually pays for women. Some of us, can't help ourselves. Many of us grew up with that belief / habit. We'll pick up a womans tab, send drinks over to a womans table, and think nothing of it. But why when it comes to being around hookers and hoes, many of us men automatically assume it's our duty to be offering or buying food and drink for these particular women? What is it about us as men that would have us and a Frannie think that just because a guy escorts or invites a hooker into a restaurant, that that man is going to buy food /drinks for the hooker? Or that he owes that hooker compensation if he decides he is not interested in giving her business?

Deep down most of us know we don't really owe a hooker anything when a hooker voluntarily spends time with us, and we decide not to hire them for sex. But many of us have learned, or realized that many of these hookers have adopted the mindset that the moment you engage them by having them/letting them sit with you, buy them drinks or food, or they go with you anywhere, you just hired them. So the question then becomes, should a man go by what he believes, or what the hookers believe they are entitled to?

Its funny how you oft times mention how many of these chicas are not professionals blah blah blah. But when it comes down to this issue of them thinking their time was being wasted, many of them muggs sure as hell act like hardcore professionals. Many of these muggs have gotten worse, because buying them food and / drink doesn't mean jack to them. Enough of them still feel you owe them money if they sat with you, or went with you somewhere.

I've talked to quite a few guys, expats and vacationers, and most agree, when you buy food and drink for many of these hookers, those offers are NOT appreciated nor reduces their expectations for compensation. And it damn sure doesn't entitle a guy to getting better sex / sessions. It doesnt make them genuinely like you more. Whatever positive behavior you may see from them,acting like they like you, is just them trying to encourage and reinforce more useless gifting. Its a facade. Watch what happens if you stop giving or refuse a request. They will more than likely turn on you in an instant. Think you are malo or cheapy cheapy. Everything you did before, all counts for nothing. When we buy food, drink, give gifts, groceries, all that shit is on you. It may have no significant effect on reducing pussy costs or enhancing a womans sexual / companionship output.

So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered? Thats why I am in accord with something Mr E alluded to in another forum. He basically implied that some of the extra shit we do thinking it's leading to better performance, better sex, more availability is unnecessary. And I say, counter productive and delusional. IMO almost everything about women in the DR suggests to me, that payment after services are rendered is the preferred and best way to handle business with hookers. Benefits, offerings and gifts presented before services are rendered can lead to problems and imbalances resulting in possibly being exploited, manipulated and taken advantage of. And definitely in many instances, unappreciated. But you pay a hooker only what she earned and when she earns it, then you are more likely keeping things more balanced and in your favor.

Start catching feelings and go above and beyond for a hooker, she may make you pay for getting soft and emotional over nothing. "she sucked my dick, I got to pay more" "she swallowed my leche. I got to pay more" " She let me hit it raw, I got to get her an iphone 7". " she has been texting me syrupy shit making me feel good, I got to pay for that" "Man I loved the way she moaned and came hard, made me feel more like a man, I got to give her a 200 pesos tip so she will hold no stops next time we get together".

Meanwhile that thought process really gets you nowhere. You will get whatever, your hooker is up to giving you when YOUR turn comes up. Remember, some of these hookers have short term memory. They can't remember and sort out every client to know who gets regular vs high test pussy / sessions. When you think about it, it even sounds ridiculous what we do thinking it automatically entitles us to better performance or preferential treatment. If anything, guys better beware and make sure that we arent the ones being treated like trained seals.

What I mean is, A hooker can very well adjust her performance to make you think you are getting a superior performance, knowing you'll likely pay more (or tip). You think you are paying for a better performance. But what she is doing is training you to get more $$$ out of you. Meanwhile she will fuck her local men the same way for nothing or next to it, or the next client the same way for less than what you paid.. Just because we are the ones paying and have a lot of money doesn't mean we got this all figured out. DR women ( hell women in general ) are very resourceful / intuitive when it comes to deciphering our weaknesses and what we respond to.[/QUOTE]People buy food or drink for each other in bars and restaurants because they enjoy their company or want to be seen with them in public. It is a bit of a stretch to expect third world street hookers to treat mongers. The mongers in Sosua have enough disposable income for leisure travel overseas, the chicas are living hand-to-mouth and usually have children and / or other family members to support.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1958606]
So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered?[/QUOTE]A lot of your thinking reminds me of an old TV show that you may have seen called 3rd Rock from the Sun.

The premise of the show revolves around a four-person extraterrestrial research expedition attempting to live as a normal human family in a college town in Ohio, where they live in an attic apartment. Humor was principally derived from the aliens' attempts to study human society and, because of their living as humans themselves while on Earth, to understand the human condition. This show reflects human life from the perspective of aliens and many sources of humor are from the learning experiences the alien characters have.

The show also takes humor from its mirroring of all human anthropological expeditions and their assumptions of superiority to the "natives", as well as their inability to distinguish themselves from the natives. Dr. Mary Albright is a professor of anthropology at (fictional) Pendelton State University, and many of the issues with which the four aliens struggle appear in her conversation and work.

Details about their alien nature are rarely given and inconsistent, except to reinforce the idea that their former lives were almost barren of emotion, unlike most of the relationships humans have with each other. Their original forms, for example, are described as nonsexual, with reproduction a matter of sending packets of genetic material to each other in the mail. The upshot is that living in an Earth culture provides the group of aliens with an almost intolerable degree of emotional stimulation and conflict which they are ill-equipped to handle.

The main character was called Dick and of 139 episodes of the series, 108 contained "Dick" in the title such as "I enjoy being a Dick", "Will work for Dick", "Selfish Dick", "Dick soup for the soul", and "Postnasal Dick".

[QUOTE=Frannie;1958688]It is a bit of a stretch to expect third world street hookers to treat mongers. .[/QUOTE]Of course that would be quite a stretch. When did you start thinking it wasnt?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1958688]The mongers in Sosua have enough disposable income for leisure travel overseas, the chicas are living hand-to-mouth and usually have children and / or other family members to support.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, So that's why the little hustler girl stopped at our table and the table next to us with mongers, and their dates on the beach, but never stopped at several tables next to us occupied by mostly dominican women, and other locals?

This team, comprised of an adult woman accompanied by a 6 to 10 yr old girl, strategically stopped at certain tables right by #64 Jorge Mayra restaurant. They were selling some sort of gift souvenirs. The thing though, the girl was the front making the sales pitch, and the woman just observed from a few feet away.

Three of us ordered food which took about 20 minutes. Other tables occupied by dominican women had apparently ordered food too. 5 minutes into us being served, here comes the little girl straight to our table again, telling us that she's hungry. Her adult accomplice is who knows where? Probably nearby watching the girls progress?

None of us budged. When she came around my side, I asked her if she wanted food? She said yes. So I pointed to 3 tables of dominican women next to us, who had food and drink. I told her to ask them for some food. She looked at me bewildered, and walked away. Maybe she understood, maybe she didnt? But instead of stopping at any of the tables filled with women, she walked right past every one of them. Maybe she went to join her accomplice to report? Moments later, she came right back to ask me again.

I told her the same thing. But this time, she turned to the lounge chair guy to get him to tell me what she wants. He told me she wanted something to eat. Since he is perfectly bilingual, I got him to explain to her, to go to the tables next to us where the dominican women were at. Ask them for food. He said something to her, but I didn't catch everything. But once again she walked off but never stopped at any other table occupied by any of the dominican women or any other locals.

Wouldn't one figure, that most of those women being mothers, would look out for a little girl claiming to be hungry? I believe they knew what was going on because I saw them watching us and staring, to see how we were going to handle the situation.

I thought about it a second. She could have asked the lounge chair guy for food, but she didn't. Better yet, she could have went to any number of dominican or foreigner restaurants and asked for food. Im relatively certain they probably never gave that a thought.. And all of this time, where is that woman at? There was a time when I'd be at Sosua beach and a kid or adult would come up to me to ask for food, and I wouldn't hesitate to give it to them. But after a while of observing how enough locals single out who they target, I no longer subjected myself to what amounted to "hustling the gringo" method of begging. I have no problem being kind, thoughtful and generous to whom I choose and when I choose. You single me out for hustling, won't go to no one else but another monger / gringo, Imma just say no gracias.

It's fucking sad, that even all of the dominican women around, none of them acknowledged that girl, or would sacrifice a few pesos, to supposedly help a little girl begging for food or drink. Part of the reason may be, them hoes don't really want to pay for their own food / drink themselves. And would much rather prefer some stupid simp monger eyeballing them nearby to come over and pick up their grub tab. Besides waiting on their next client, that's likely what all the staring, smiling and eye fucking is all about.

That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals. Why spend your money, if you can get a monger to pay for it? They are teaching them at a very young age to hustle us out of our money / resources, even meals / drinks. Eventually the little girl will be upgraded in her training on how to maximize her game selling her pussy. The young boy hustlers have a different challenge.

There is one particular chica who is a full time hooker now. She used to be this sweet young lady walking on the beach and around Sosua with a little plastic container filled with some sort of food item. But now she is a hot mess. Smoking, acting hardcore, like she lost her femininity to the streets.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959130]Hmmm, So that's why the little hustler girl stopped at our table and the table next to us with mongers, and their dates on the beach, but never stopped at several tables next to us occupied by mostly dominican women, and other locals?

This team, comprised of an adult woman accompanied by a 6 to 10 yr old girl, strategically stopped at certain tables right by #64 Jorge Mayra restaurant. They were selling some sort of gift souvenirs. The thing though, the girl was the front making the sales pitch, and the woman just observed from a few feet away.

Three of us ordered food which took about 20 minutes. Other tables occupied by dominican women had apparently ordered food too. 5 minutes into us being served, here comes the little girl straight to our table again, telling us that she's hungry. Her adult accomplice is who knows where? Probably nearby watching the girls progress?

None of us budged. When she came around my side, I asked her if she wanted food? She said yes. So I pointed to 3 tables of dominican women next to us, who had food and drink. I told her to ask them for some food. She looked at me bewildered, and walked away. Maybe she understood, maybe she didnt? But instead of stopping at any of the tables filled with women, she walked right past every one of them. Maybe she went to join her accomplice to report? Moments later, she came right back to ask me again.

I told her the same thing. But this time, she turned to the lounge chair guy to get him to tell me what she wants. He told me she wanted something to eat. Since he is perfectly bilingual, I got him to explain to her, to go to the tables next to us where the dominican women were at. Ask them for food. He said something to her, but I didn't catch everything. But once again she walked off but never stopped at any other table occupied by any of the dominican women or any other locals.

Wouldn't one figure, that most of those women being mothers, would look out for a little girl claiming to be hungry? I believe they knew what was going on because I saw them watching us and staring, to see how we were going to handle the situation.

I thought about it a second. She could have asked the lounge chair guy for food, but she didn't. Better yet, she could have went to any number of dominican or foreigner restaurants and asked for food. Im relatively certain they probably never gave that a thought.. And all of this time, where is that woman at? There was a time when I'd be at Sosua beach and a kid or adult would come up to me to ask for food, and I wouldn't hesitate to give it to them. But after a while of observing how enough locals single out who they target, I no longer subjected myself to what amounted to "hustling the gringo" method of begging. I have no problem being kind, thoughtful and generous to whom I choose and when I choose. You single me out for hustling, won't go to no one else but another monger / gringo, Imma just say no gracias.

It's fucking sad, that even all of the dominican women around, none of them acknowledged that girl, or would sacrifice a few pesos, to supposedly help a little girl begging for food or drink. Part of the reason may be, them hoes don't really want to pay for their own food / drink themselves. And would much rather prefer some stupid simp monger eyeballing them nearby to come over and pick up their grub tab. Besides waiting on their next client, that's likely what all the staring, smiling and eye fucking is all about.

That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals. Why spend your money, if you can get a monger to pay for it? They are teaching them at a very young age to hustle us out of our money / resources, even meals / drinks. Eventually the little girl will be upgraded in her training on how to maximize her game selling her pussy. The young boy hustlers have a different challenge.

There is one particular chica who is a full time hooker now. She used to be this sweet young lady walking on the beach and around Sosua with a little plastic container filled with some sort of food item. But now she is a hot mess. Smoking, acting hardcore, like she lost her femininity to the streets.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know! Here in Florida the beggars always seem to target motorists, never pedestrians. They will hang out at traffic lights with signs written on pieces of cardboard saying "HOMELESS MOTHER LIGHT CUT OFF-NO FOOD (OR HOMELESS VETERAN IN NEED OF RAZOR BLADES AND A SUIT PLUS DENTAL WORK FOR JOB INTERVIEW) and stand close to cars trying to catch the eye of drivers, or else they will walk up to people at gas stations who are filling their tanks and claim to be stranded and in need of food or gasoline money. Why don't they go and stand outside schools and ask the children for money? Still I suppose they do make some progress to their goals, because a woman I saw begging last week was three miles further up US 17 this week. I offered her a ride even further, but she was too proud to accept charity and preferred to remain homeless closer to home.

There is an excellent Sherlock Holmes story called "The Man With The Twisted Lip" which is about an accountant who works in the City of London, but one day realises that beggars make more than he does, so he developes a strategy of traveling to work as a commuter in suit and bowler hat, and then renting a room where he applies theatrical make up and old clothes to make himself look quite pitiful, then sits on the sidewalk begging for the rest of the day, and makes a lot of money from charitable city gents before changing back into his smart clothes and catching the train home to suburbia. Unfortunately his wife suspects he has another woman and secretly tracks him to his lair.

Very likely this beggar woman and her daughter are like that. That probably drive a large SUV and live in an expensive condo on the beach in Cabarete and watch novellas on a 60 inch screen TV.

It is not just mongers in Sosua--all over the world host communities want tourists to come because they think they will spend money. How about some of these third world beggars use their money to travel to poor parts of the US to spend their money and return the favor?

I was walking out of the Madrid Atocha train station today, passing the Jardín Botánico. Numerous African immigrants were selling purses and so forth, and other people were working at food stalls, selling flowers, and so forth. After I crossed to Avenida Atocha, I saw a fairly disheveled gentleman whom I assumed to be a Spaniard, begging and holding a sign saying 'Para un Ferrari.' I thought that was hilarious and so I gave him 50 euro cents. You can get a liter of wine at El Corte Inglés in the station for 0,63 euro so I think I got him well on his way. A creative approach is important.

Compare the Ferrari approach with the cocksucker who followed me for two blocks from the Cuenca RENFE station, two days ago, repeatedly insisting first that I give him a euro and finally that I give him 'algo' = something. This was after I told him no several times and then 'vete' = go away. So I told him, 'Lo que sí voy a darte es un fuerte golpe si no te largas ahorita' = What I [B]am[/B] going to give you is a nice hard smack if you don't scram right now. I saw him the next day in a doorway with a bag over his nose and mouth = 'sacalero' = glue sniffer.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959130]That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals.[/QUOTE]Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.

Then in the Philippines I was taking a trike with my girl. I was inside of the sidecar while she was on the back of the bike with the driver. The driver stopped at a light and a little girl bypassed both of them and came to me in the sidecar with her hand out. I reached my girl's purse out to her but she would not touch it. Later I asked my girl why the girl would not take the purse and neither asked her nor the driver for money. She said because I am a foreigner.

Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959211]Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.

Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.[/QUOTE]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.

The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Café Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, '¡Me asustó! = you scared me! (not mute).

I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a [I]bostero[/I] (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959211]Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.[/QUOTE]That's a very profound statement and so true bruh. Something many of us mongers might want to let marinate. Here you have individuals professing to be poor, starving and in need of help etc, and yet many of them will blatantly discriminate (pick and choose publicly) where their help comes from. WOW.

I recall a few incidents ago where chicas or kids came up to me begging to give them, pesos, buy them water, a soda, a cerveza (not kids), or food. I pointed to any dominican individuals standing nearby. The 1st thing they'll do is act like they do not understand anything you are saying. They'll keep looking at the people you are pointing to for them to ask. Then turn back to me, and say. " el, ella, ellos es malo, me no gusta". I would ask, "porque tu no gusta?

They wouldn't give a reason, just simply kept repeating that they don't like them. So in order to dodge being put on the spot, enough of them have devised a clever comeback of supposedly not liking someone, And that's supposed to be the reason they won't ask somebody else for the same thing they are asking me. On occasion I've flipped it on them, and told them that "Estoy malo tambien", and "cheapy cheapy. ".

I figured, since they don't like approaching bad people, they won't have much choice but to leave me alone too! If I feel like having a little fun with them, I will jokingly accuse them of being "mafioso" (or is it mafiosa for a female?) and go on about my business not taking them seriously.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959240]The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Caf Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, 'Me asust! = you scared me! (not mute).

I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a [I]bostero[/I] (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.[/QUOTE]I strongly believe and suspect that a lot of locals that report daily to Sosua to work, arent as in need of help as they portray.

I recall a video Cuba Dave made where he was warning mongers about sending money and requests for money (RFMs). He told a story about a chica that asked him for $200 USD to supposedly pay rent or they would lose their house. She said her house was similar to some of the rundown shacks on the beach. He asked a motoconcho driver who knew the girl to drive him by the chicas house where she lived. He found out that her place and living conditions were much much better than what she claimed. Nothing like the story she told. Now I'm not sure if Cuba Daves story is true, but I'm 100% certain that many locals tell us a bunch of lies to get us to feel sorry for them, and give them shit.

I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959294]

I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.[/QUOTE]The visa allowing travel between Haiti and the DR for one year was about US $200 in 2012, so it would have to be shared 5 ways. An illegal crossing at Dajabon, is, I believe, about $80 including motor bikes on both sides, guides, river crossing assistance, and so on. The problem with crossing illegally is that they have several passport checks of all passengers on buses and guaguas between Dajabon and Navarette along the route, so just crossing the border alone is not that useful for most people.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959228]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.[/QUOTE]First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.

I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.

How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959335]First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.

I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.

How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.[/QUOTE]Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]The truth of the matter is that locals take advantage of bullshit egos, all over the world, because it works.

In Sosua, the high fives on the street, the fist pumps and the greatings, and even a hug, is an old game. Even Columbus figured it out :)

From my own experience, the greeting of complete strangers "Hola Senor, my friend, remember me? I missed you, when you come back?" especially if Mr Ego is with someone he wants to impress, works 80% of the time.

Stand around the Eiffel Tower, or the Colliseum, and in 2 minutes flat, you will be offered a fine Italian jacket for 90% off because he has to high tail it to the airport.

Folks who spend too much time analyzing the motivations of beggars, touts and putas, are wasting good money.

Why do beggars target tourists? Why do robbers rob banks? Because that's where the money is! No rocket science, or dark psychological labyrinths required.

Except a reminder that "You can't cheat an honest man", and "life is a mirror it will give you back whatever you put into it".

Remember Sosua has sunshine, the beautiful beaches, beautiful girls, cold drinks and some really nice people, if you hang around with the right crowd!

Oh yeah, I forgot another one, something to do with Birds of a feather.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959228]Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? [/QUOTE]This is why I love effective communication where people can ask for feedback, so clarity can follow. I do not think anybody said they don't like beggars for the reasons you stated. Thats a little simplistic. Whats being brought out by me, is when beggars single out or discriminate who they target. Some mongers have a problem with that, others don't. Enough mongers may not even realize they are being targeted. And if they knew probably wouldn't subject themselves to beggars singling them out.

The other thing that's important to note, is that in enough instances where beggars come at us, they may not even need what they claim, and can get it elsewhere. Its just that in a tourist area where foreigners are filthy rich (perhaps in the locals mind) they probably see us as a resource that needs to be tapped and bled. Mainly because it may be presumed that we don't need it, can do with out it, and they are entitled to what we have.

After all, they are living their lives with less, so why shouldn't they extract anything and everything they can? Think of the mindset of a chica who thinks she's owed money, just because you let her sit down next to you. Or you buy her a beer, and all of a sudden the meter starts running, because this mugg thinks you owe her for her time. Think about this. If a chica sat down with any local guy, sat on his moto to talk, or he bought her a beer, you think she would be looking to get paid from him? Of course not. So why is it perfectly ok for us to be treated differently? Because were foreigners? Because we have more money. Its ok to be exploited because we arent dominican?

If we lose a phone to a local thief, or lose money to a chica, or your hotel is burglarized, I'm reasonably certain that enough locals won't be heartbroken over our loss. Because they know we can replace all of that given the opportunity. I tend to believe locals that come to Sosua daily, see this place as just another type of job. A place ripe with opportunity to make money if you know how and who to hustle. So this issue is a little more important than just not liking beggars because they don't ask locals.

I tend to believe enough foreigners make too many excuses for dominican behavior instead of calling that shit out, and realizing what you are dealing with.

[QUOTE]But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.[/QUOTE]I have been around chicas that gave beggars food and pesos while in my company, or I observed it happening when chicas were with other foreigners. But I don't recall seeing any local males offering their food or pesos to anybody. Maybe I missed those opportunities? But I tend to believe local males don't throw their money away as quickly as females. Especially when they know the beggar has the means to eat or get whatever is they want without them.

The chicas that give to beggars, I do not take them seriously. Most of them are getting paid from some gringo anyway, so it aint no loss. And part of the reason for doing it in a gringos face, is probably for appearances. She demonstrates to the gringo the act of giving, and she might convince him of getting in the habit of helping her people. That just might be in the chica network manual. Chapter XXX How to stimulate the flow of money and resources to your domincan people. .

Chicas do it for their girls on the regular. You ever see a chica having a meal with a gringo, and suddenly she has a chica or two plopping themselves down, sticking their fingers in the mans plate. Old Kool can attest to that. I saw two barracudas come into Rockys one afternoon. They helped themselves to some of his food, and when he protested, one of them busted out with an attitude, talking shit. Like how dare you stop me from eating your fucking food. There was that entitlement attitude. Them acting like that what is yours is theirs to have. And a chica with a guy will facilitate having their friends extract from the gringo. So it's deeper than not liking beggars because they do not ask locals. Its about the mindset behind it.

Just like if we go to a local dominican restaurant for food, and they charge us 150 pesos extra for the same food they would charge a local less. Or a gringo is constantly being billed for shit he didn't consume or ask for. Or when he gets his change, the server intentionally shorts him on his change, but wouldn't do any of that to a local. Or the gringo pays his bill, and the individual will claim you never paid, or you did not give them a certain denomination bill. There are a plethroa of hustles, all designed to fleece the gringo. I think its wise to be consistently aware of how we may be perceived and manipulated by locals, during the course of us fulfilling our fantasies. .

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.

I thought about something. Isn't forums like this designed for the purpose of us sharing information and intel so as to help each other? Why would there be a presumption that us mongers sharing information is about taking away from another mongers reason for visiting somewhere? I don't get it?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959590]Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.[/QUOTE]No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness. I don't need the fellowship to feel secure, most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain that.

When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie Mouse.

We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959346]Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.[/QUOTE]I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said "once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".

I don't see any reason to give an individual pesos for giving me my space, or the appearance of them respecting me. My respect to them and giving them space doesn't warrant them giving me any pesos. Respect and space don't cost, it's earned by mutually giving it. I agree with you on not to burn bridges. And what you said makes sense.

Many of those guys can be useful. But the important thing to note, is that the examples you are giving is due to them doing something useful to EARN what you gave. You give beggars and touts money because they give you space and respect is IMO showing them weakness. Why can't they respect me and give me my space without compensation? In the voice of Mr E, LOL "Have you tried it?

I'm not going to get into any habit of giving away my money just because some cat is giving me dap and smiling at me every time they see me. I have no problem giving compensation when they do something for me that I asked for or needed. Same with the police.

I know a lot of cats are caught up in a routine of being expected to give away money to a police officer when he approaches them for money. The assumption is that the officer will help you, in case you get in a jam. I understand how that is supposed to work.

But I thought about it. What is wrong with waiting until I actually need help, and then pay for the help when it is rendered? Same with the beggar / tout. You get caught in a pattern of giving and giving when you never need help, just when does it end? Moreover, suppose the individual isn't available or has no jurisdiction at the time you need him? Payment when a service is performed works just fine. We don't let locals dictate how we choose to manage our money in their regard.

But we do use deductive reasoning in situations where we may have to bite the bullet and give in to overcome a potentially negative outcome.

I think it's important to know and note that not all police officers operate the same. If I were to entertain the idea of having a police officer as my "friend" and protector of my interests, I would choose one that will help me, and allow me to show my gratitude afterwards.

But when it comes to all of those officers expecting to routinely get money when they haven't lifted a finger to help me with a problem? Those types I would avoid. They may be great guys, and helped tons of guys. But I'd much rather be friends with a officer who is not looking for a handout almost every time he sees me.

Those guys may not be helping you because they like you, they may be helping you to protect their investment in you. In other words, they are looking out for themselves. If you stop giving, they might stop liking you. Thats not a good thing. The association I'm talking about, you arent constantly giving him your money, so there is no routine. No reason for him to turn on you.

WRX said"I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".

For me it works the same way a police officer works an informant. The knowledge they can possibly give me in the future or the information that I need is a value that I don't mind forfeiting 50 pesos every trip to keep that connection. These guys are connected to the streets and have some great Intel but you first have to establish their respect for you. Respectfully speaking but those "Bros" info falls in comparison to the info the touts and beggars have. Maybe something as simple as a bad situation that you are entering and that tout giving you a heads-up, whereas that asshole gringo that he doesn't like might be walking into danger. It's on your terms but nothing regular, throwing a bone is how it works in the DR bro. I really hope you change your mentality and understand that if you live in the DR that the relationships you have with Dominicans far outweighs the relationships you have with gringos and bros, Sosua has you insulated. Go to Spanish school, learn Spanish dancing and let the culture open up to you. Keep an open mind, don't analyze everything and take some things as they are Hanging in Sosua with the bros hating on putas, touts, and beggars will get you nowhere unless you want to be known as the mean gringo who nobody likes.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959602]No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness.[/QUOTE]I know that's true. But you inferred that another man can take away from your reason for going to the DR? I'm trying to figure out how that is so?

[QUOTE]I don't need the fellowship to feel secure[/QUOTE]When did this become about needing fellowship in feeling secure?

[QUOTE]most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain that[/QUOTE]And you have that right. Another monger wishing to discuss or bring up issues you won't, has his right as well. You may want to shoot it down or take pot shots at it. But if you do not want to participate, that's cool, were still cool.

[QUOTE]When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie Mouse[/QUOTE]I can appreciate the attempt at the analogy big bro, but as it pertains to this issue, I do not equate locals as employees and the rest of us as customers. We are all customers. Using your example, if you saw a white guy (another customer) about the same age as you, buy a ticket to Disneyland and was charged much less than you, would you use that same premise and just sit there and accept that blatant discrimination? If it was me, I would question why.

Now I realize we do not have the power to regulate how we are discriminated against. But sometimes when you stand up for yourself and let them know you are paying attention, you may be treated more fairly. Shit most of the time we are the ones bringing tons of business to these establishments. The least they can do is just give us the same price. I do not remember the restaurants, but I do remember there were a couple that got caught giving different menus to the locals and the foreigner.

[QUOTE]We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am only one poster among many. I'm not necessarily posting to just fellowship with any one or to get people to like me. You have tons of registered posters willing and able to supply the board their good times. I've shared good times before, and for the most part the typical clowns took their pot shots at it. You know some of them here.

So I rather stick to what I choose to post. This is a sex forum indeed. And almost everything I post can be traced to getting pussy or not getting pussy on some level. For one, guys might have a lot more working cash flow towards getting pussy when they arent giving their money away unnecessarily, or because they are not paying attention to important details leading up to depleting their resources. It takes all kinds to make this forum what it is. I'm doing my part, my way. Others are free to do the same. In fact there has always been deviations and off topic discussion from several posters, here and elsewhere. And nobody says jack to them about it. If some people got a problem with what I'm posting, I take it that I must be doing something right. FTR, oft times I get PMs from posters offering a thanks, or seeking feedback. Im good with that.

I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosúa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin América and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.

I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Málaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959724]I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.

I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Mlaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you mention Medellin in Colombia, where the prices are so low it's hard to believe. I am in Medellin now, the weathers great, the women are beautiful, and you can get fucked for 30,000 CP = $ 10.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959724]I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. [/QUOTE]I will respond on the Sosua thread because you dragged my name in here.

It was my first trip to Barcelona and Madrid, so no, I'm not a season vet in Spain. Before I went, I did a lot of research and here are my two reports:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1907272[/URL]#post1907272.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1904228[/URL]#post1904228.

I really liked both cites and thought the food was great, but I do not consider either city a good mongering place.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1959700]
Now I realize we do not have the power to regulate how we are discriminated against. But sometimes when you stand up for yourself and let them know you are paying attention, you may be treated more fairly. Shit most of the time we are the ones bringing tons of business to these establishments. The least they can do is just give us the same price. I do not remember the restaurants, but I do remember there were a couple that got caught giving different menus to the locals and the foreigner.

[/QUOTE]Well, they have menus in Spanish, in English, and sometimes in German for that matter. I'm not sure that is illegal because even in government-run places like the fort at Puerto Plata there is a different entrance fee for gringos and for locals. Or at the Teleferico, for that matter, and they are quite open about it.

Airlines sell similar seats for all sorts of different prices, and there is little transparency about how this works. Prices on Amazon change all the time and you can't really be sure you are paying the same as the other guy.

In the US in-state students pay less at state colleges and universities, and in many countries overseas students pay far more than locals.

In the Dominican Republic beggars approach more foreigners and prostitutes charge local men less than they charge foreigners, and charge local residents less than weekend warriors.

I suggest that all readers of this board completely boycott the Dominican Republic until Dominican beggars and prostitutes are brought into line with the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959724] You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.[/QUOTE]Good question. Why would anyone want to live in such an awful, unfair country as the DR when they could live in a much more highly regulated environment in any of the developed democracies?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1959759]I suggest that all readers of this board completely boycott the Dominican Republic until Dominican beggars and prostitutes are brought into line with the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement.[/QUOTE]I suggest that you all stop responding to the lunacy of one that over analyzes every darned thing and uses up REAMS of virtual paper. Much ado about nothing!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959664]WRX said"I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".

For me it works the same way a police officer works an informant. The knowledge they can possibly give me in the future or the information that I need is a value that I don't mind forfeiting 50 pesos every trip to keep that connection. These guys are connected to the streets and have some great Intel but you first have to establish their respect for you. Respectfully speaking but those "Bros" info falls in comparison to the info the touts and beggars have. Maybe something as simple as a bad situation that you are entering and that tout giving you a heads-up, whereas that asshole gringo that he doesn't like might be walking into danger. It's on your terms but nothing regular, throwing a bone is how it works in the DR bro.[/QUOTE]What you are talking about here is not what I was addressing. I already acknowledged that if someone is providing a service it makes sense to compensate them. I was talking about the idea that you said you might slide someone 50 pesos for the respect and space they give you. And what I am saying is no one needs to pay just because they are respected or given their space. What you are potentially reinforcing, is that your space and respect is somehow connected to being rewarded. So that if you stop paying, now you have a potentially disappointed tout on your hands who got used to your handouts for doing nothing more than just respecting you or giving you your space.

[QUOTE]I really hope you change your mentality and understand that if you live in the DR that the relationships you have with Dominicans far outweighs the relationships you have with gringos and bros, Sosua has you insulated. Go to Spanish school, learn Spanish dancing and let the culture open up to you. Keep an open mind, don't analyze everything and take some things as they are Hanging in Sosua with the bros hating on putas, touts, and beggars will get you nowhere unless you want to be known as the mean gringo who nobody likes.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, you really have no clue what you are talking about. About my life, how I operate daily or the people I associate with. In Sosua or in the states. You are so far out of my loop it's ridiculous. And I am astonished that you would try to give me suggestions like you really know.

I would like to make a suggestion to you and a few others that need this. That you keep an open mind, and stop assuming wrongly and making fallacious judgements about people, as if message board posts represents the narrow lens you are seeing through. That means killing that noise about somebody analyzing everything, because that's BS, supposedly not taking some things as they are, more BS. Or the assumption that whatever you are assuming amounts to someone being known as the mean gringo. Where is all of this coming from, were not in a war?

In addition, I get more appreciation and respect from real folks that I associate with, that it's off the chain. It's to the point that I can't keep up with many of them. Many folks remember me, even if I forgot them. I would take their friendship / comraderie in real life any day over individuals judging my supposed character based on words on a message board. You also have no clue the dominicans I associate with, in or outside of the p4 p game. You know why you don't know about that? Because you are too busy judging only from message board posts, and never bothered to ask So I can't take your suggestion seriously. What it really boils down to is this. If anyone does not like what I have to say, just don't read it. Don't analyze me, don't give me suggestions, just put me on ignore, or bypass my posts when you see my handle. It's just that simple. Take responsibility for your own non enjoyment of my posts. I'm not being mean spirited either, I'm being serious.

Lastly, even you professed to feeling different about certain individuals from this forum, after relating to them in person. You were wrong to judge them then, and you are wrong doing it now with me. You know what that suggests to me? You have not resolved a problem with putting people places and things in their proper perspective when it comes to message boards. Words on a screen do not depict someones life or character. I figured out long ago that it is unwise to judge a persons overall character or their comprehensive perspective from a message board. Why in 2016 with all of the information that we have explaining the futility with misjudging folks, that some folks just can't grasp that?

It appears you are losing it here bro and that was not my intention. You act like this is your first time posting and people can't see inside of you. Folks have gotten tired of the negative image you always try to bestow on street Dominicans. If you don't want the advice that's cool. I and several other posters have asked nicely that you become more balanced with your reporting but you refused with your typical blame it on others routine. I'm done because I can see you know it all and I'm just wasting my time. Hopefully one day you will re-visit my posts to learn something before the Dominicans have to teach you the hard way.

Good luck my friend.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959724]There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.[/QUOTE]So Spanish soccer fans constantly doing monkey chants and throwing bananas at black players, F1 spectators donning black faces to mock Lewis Hamilton, were reactionary expressions against the Moorish conquest? That's an interesting interpretation.

I read TomJackin's Barcelona report, he spoke of getting ripped off (mysterious charge of US $780) on his credit card. The only sessions he described in details, with fondness, were with hookers from -- gasp -- the DR.

Incidentally, the only adult that begged for money from me in Sosua, was a Spaniard. He claimed he's stuck in the DR due to some misfortune and asked for money to fly back to Spain (probably so he could get back to the highly educated hookers). I saw him again a few months later, and he was still telling me the same tale. I couldn't tell though if he only begged from tourists or from locals as well.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1959754]I will respond on the Sosua thread because you dragged my name in here.

It was my first trip to Barcelona and Madrid, so no, I'm not a season vet in Spain. Before I went, I did a lot of research and here are my two reports:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1907272[/URL]#post1907272.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1904228[/URL]#post1904228.

I really liked both cites and thought the food was great, but I do not consider either city a good mongering place.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you go to the clubs, it's very expensive. I go to the brothels. I use the throwaway newspapers, and lately Craigslist. Taxis can add up fast, too. I use public transportation. The only time I've ever taken a cab in Spain was once when we had to catch a bus and the trolleys didn't start running early enough. That was in Sevilla. So one cab in a total of probably eight months in Spain. In Barcelona especially, the subway runs quite late, I think until almost two AM. No hookers on Las Ramblas. The cops chase them away. Plenty of dope dealers though. Not sure what you meant by high season in Barcelona. Summer time? 150 a night is quite high. I like to go to Spain in the spring and fall. Too hot for me in the summer. My apartment in Valencia was 50 euro a night, very nice, even had a washing machine. Pio XII apartments. This apartment I am in, in Madrid, is 55 euro a night, but only has a half-size fridge and a two burner stove. It's near the Antón Martín metro stop, which is unfortunately closed for repairs, but there a couple of other stops within walking distance, and buses. I found this apartment 'boots on the ground' last time I was here and stayed in touch with the owner.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1959728]Why didn't you mention Medellin in Colombia, where the prices are so low it's hard to believe. I am in Medellin now, the weathers great, the women are beautiful, and you can get fucked for 30,000 CP = $ 10.[/QUOTE]Because I was talking about non-Third World destinations. Colombia is quite dangerous. I lived in Medellíand and had several issues in a short period of time, which is why I left. I agree the weather there is very good. I don't think the food is very good there either. The exchange rate was not as favorable at that time but yeah, you can get laid real cheap there. Or you can get killed.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959937]Because I was talking about non-Third World destinations. Colombia is quite dangerous. I lived in Medelland and had several issues in a short period of time, which is why I left. I agree the weather there is very good. I don't think the food is very good there either. The exchange rate was not as favorable at that time but yeah, you can get laid real cheap there. Or you can get killed.[/QUOTE]Well I have spent a lot of time in Medellin in the last couple of years and don't consider Colombia to be a third world country. I have not had any problems here, find the people to be amazing, and there is good food here but you have to know where to go, however it doesn't compare to most other places in the world. Yes it can be dangerous here, but I don't walk the streets of El Centro late at night even though I can pass as a Colombian.

I find it odd that you had so many problems there, especially being fluent in Spanish. If you have red and or blond hair and blue eyes, well that might explain part of the problem you had there. Spain sounds like it would be fun and is on my list!

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1959724]I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.

I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Mlaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.[/QUOTE]Going to Spain can be an option for someone wishing to explore something different. I think that is a good thing.

Personally I would pass on that option, because life in Sosua and the DR has been a great challenge for me from living in the US. It has been a journey complete with it's ups and downs, it's positives and it's negatives, And because of that, I am wise enough to know that you have to deal with the good and the bad just about every where you go. Now if somebody reading our discussions of certain negative aspects of Sosua, fails to grasp why someone would still want to come to Sosua or live here, that is completely on them. I can only think in one head. I don't feel what they feel, and I'm not subjected to anybody compartmentalizing what my life here supposedly represents to me. Especially since I am not a full time monger, absorbed with focusing my attention on women most of my day or nights. I have nothing against those that do, as I can definitely relate because I used to be a full time monger.

My role now is to provide a different perspective, but from ONE expats POV.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1959845]It appears you are losing it here bro and that was not my intention. You act like this is your first time posting and people can't see inside of you. Folks have gotten tired of the negative image you always try to bestow on street Dominicans. If you don't want the advice that's cool. I and several other posters have asked nicely that you become more balanced with your reporting but you refused with your typical blame it on others routine. I'm done because I can see you know it all and I'm just wasting my time. Hopefully one day you will re-visit my posts to learn something before the Dominicans have to teach you the hard way.

Good luck my friend.[/QUOTE]Mr G, You already know what I think about what something "appears" to be. Or what I supposedly "act" like. Or claiming I "always" bestow a negative image of street dominicans. There is no such thing as always. That is your contrived reality, not mine. I already explained here that I have my own focuses I wish to address. I don't have to change what I choose to focus on just to appease a very small group of individuals you decide to be the spoke mans for. I'm asking nicely that you and whomever you claim has a problem, stop trying to dictate what others choose to post, and instead just ignore the posts you do not like.

It is easier for you and others to do your part, rather than trying to get one person to change for everybody that supposedly has a problem. What about those reading that do not have a problem with what I choose to discuss. And in fact appreciate the information? Are they less important than a few disgruntled posters? What about the ADMIN? I would expect that he is monitoring this forum, and perhaps sees some value in what I've shared about my POV of life in the DR and Sosua.

Lastly, I've been living here for almost 2 1/2 yrs consistently. Living among dominicans of all types, expats, and interacting with vacationers, dated a dominican from the states for 5 yrs. During the course of that relationship, traveled and learned her culture and more of her language, interacted with all of her friends and family, here and back in the states. Weve known each other personally for less than a month, you've never lived in the DR full time and really only focus most of your attention and time on mongering in the DR, and you are going to tell me that dominicans have to teach me the hard way?

Mr G, your intent is crystal clear for your recent remarks. I do not accept people pissing on me and telling me its raining. It is what it is. My advice stands. Mr Oakie has got it right. He took matters in his own hands, and put me on ignore. Since then, I haven't heard a peep out of him, and that's how we kept the peace. If it works for him it will work for anybody. So use that ignore button. , that's the best option. When I see you in person, we can be normal people without the drama.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1960055]Mr G, You already know what I think about what something "appears" to be. Or what I supposedly "act" like. Or claiming I "always" bestow a negative image of street dominicans. There is no such thing as always. That is your contrived reality, not mine. I already explained here that I have my own focuses I wish to address. I don't have to change what I choose to focus on just to appease a very small group of individuals you decide to be the spoke mans for. I'm asking nicely that you and whomever you claim has a problem, stop trying to dictate what others choose to post, and instead just ignore the posts you do not like.

It is easier for you and others to do your part, rather than trying to get one person to change for everybody that supposedly has a problem..[/QUOTE]My brother using the " Ignore " button is not a solution to anything. I have never in ten years used the ignore button and don't know how. You seem to think we really care about you checking a girl on the beach asking for food or a tout. It's much more you have to offer living in Sosua. I speak for many when I ask you for more balance but for some reason you don't want to comply. That's sad. It makes some think you are walking around Sosua with blinders on and only focusing on the street beggars and not seeing the pretty girls. Who moves to Sosua to check street beggars and hang with the " Bros "? That's all you have given us. This is my last post here responding to you until you give us some useful information.

In closing It would benefit you to grow on your inability to finesse the Dominicans. You live there and you cannot always hide in Sosua with the bros. Dominicans are not the enemy and you are not at war. I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.

What does a six pack of Presidente (12 oz, or if not, give size) in a good sized supermarket? You can give it to me in dollars if you think that way, or in pesos and I'll look up the conversion. Just curious. I like that beer and always have one when I am in the Miami airport.

In Sosua, many of the guys I have met, and socialize with, mostly frown on having hustlers / touts involved in ones personal affairs, or having them tagging along supposedly there to help a monger. Especially with getting women in Sosua. As mongers many of us feel that it is our responsibility to learn the basics when it comes to language, learn the p4 p game, who to trust and who to avoid. And learn how to navigate in and around Sosua.

When we see mongers walking around the strip or in Sosua with a hustler / tout in tow, we do not consider that a good thing. Much of what a monger needs to know can come from other veteran mongers and expats, who usually don't have any sideways agenda except to help someone. When it comes to hustlers and touts on the other hand, there is no telling what they are after that may not be to your benefit, but definitely theirs. Their effectiveness in convincing their targets is dependent upon what their targets do not know. I have spared and enlightened a lot of fellow mongers and helped them to see that they do not really need them for everything, or to have them tag along with them everywhere they go.

We also explain how having a hustler tagging along, can be a clear sign to others, especially chicas that you are green and can possibly be taken advantage of. Living in the DR, I tend to socialize and interact with regular locals moreso than hustlers. I have 3 types of vehicles, and an apartment. So much of my direct interaction with locals has been with non hustlers, folks with businesses. Insurance agent, doctors / dentist office, farmacia, supermercados, Claro, Orange, the Impuestos oficina in Puerto Plata, car dealerships, golf car dealer, pasola dealers, hard ware stores, appliance stores. You name it, I'm sure you get the picture.

The point is, many expats and aware vacationers just do not have a use for hustlers or touts on any regular basis, if at all. Last year, a buddy of mine and I were riding our scooters to Cabarete. He caught a flat and had a bent rim. Immediately motos were stopping to help. We utilized one in particular, and he went directly to a young dominican who has a tire repair shop nearby. He came to the scene, realized he couldn't do anything there, so he left to get the MOPC officers to come help.

We all lifted the scooter into the back of their pickup truck, and went to the dominicans shop. It took awhile but eventually we found a temporary replacement rim, and he had us on our way. His job cost us 600 pesos, plus 500 pesos for the used rim we bought in Sosua. The moto asked for 100 pesos, I gave him 150. I gave the police 500 pesos for the lift.

All of that dominican interaction and non of that involved dealing with touts or hustlers. There are plenty of dominican people around to relate to without having to deal with a hustler or tout. Most of the things a typical monger may need, they can get it done themselves. And if they need information, there is usually someone around who knows where you can go. It does not have to come from a hustler or tout. Now when it comes to motoconcho drivers, I do not categorize all of them as hustlers / touts. Most of these men are known for their ability to help make life easier for the community at large. You need something, chances are they can get it for you. They will even stand in line to pay bills for you. Bring propane tanks to your door. The list is endless of the types of services a moto may provide. Everything involves direct pay upon services rendered.

My golf car ran out of gas 2 weeks ago, and a motoconcho stopped to assist me. I gave him some pesos, asked to get me some premium gas. He came back with the gas, put it in the tank, I thanked him and paid him and I was on my way. I can share countless stories of interactions with non hustler dominicans.

I had the colonel of the fire department come to my aid up at the AMET police dept, in Sosua November 2014. With his help, he was able to smooth things over with an irate crowd bent out of shape over an accident involving a kid that crashed into the side of my car. Even though I had the casa de conductor coverage, I did not have to use it. AMET allowed me to recover my papers, take my car home and come back to the station to fill out reports the following Monday. Once again, no hustlers or touts needed to get things done. After sharing this, this is why I resent any individual trying to pigeon hole other folks when they have no clue about that persons life and experiences, except what something "appears" to them from a message board.

One may ask, how does this all relate to getting pussy? Well that night, instead of me being put on detention, I spent the night in my own bed accompanied by one of my regulars who used to work at the Europa Bar. It just so happened she was a witness to the aftermath of the accident. So we spent the night swapping fluids and information.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1960104]In Sosua, many of the guys I have met, and socialize with, mostly frown on having hustlers / touts involved in ones personal affairs, or having them tagging along supposedly there to help a monger. Especially with getting women in Sosua. As mongers many of us feel that it is our responsibility to learn the basics when it comes to language, learn the p4 p game, who to trust and who to avoid. And learn how to navigate in and around Sosua.

When we see mongers walking around the strip or in Sosua with a hustler / tout in tow, we do not consider that a good thing. Much of what a monger needs to know can come from other veteran mongers and expats, who usually don't have any sideways agenda except to help someone. When it comes to hustlers and touts on the other hand, there is no telling what they are after that may not be to your benefit, but definitely theirs. Their effectiveness in convincing their targets is dependent upon what their targets do not know. I have spared and enlightened a lot of fellow mongers and helped them to see that they do not really need them for everything, or to have them tag along with them everywhere they go.

We also explain how having a hustler tagging along, can be a clear sign to others, especially chicas that you are green and can possibly be taken advantage of. Living in the DR, I tend to socialize and interact with regular locals moreso than hustlers. I have 3 types of vehicles, and an apartment. So much of my direct interaction with locals has been with non hustlers, folks with businesses. Insurance agent, doctors / dentist office, farmacia, supermercados, Claro, Orange, the Impuestos oficina in Puerto Plata, car dealerships, golf car dealer, pasola dealers, hard ware stores, appliance stores. ..[/QUOTE]This is your best report ever, thanks. Plenty of useful info to help others on the board you even went into details about swapping fluid LOL. That's what we have been asking for from the beginning, balance. You even shared some information about the accident that I knew about months ago, but I couldn't mention it because it was shared in a personal setting. I even wondered why you didn't have a go to Dominican executive to help you out but you just cleared that up and now I know. Regarding touts and street beggars all you have to do is ignore them. No need to engage them unless you feel they have some use now or in the future. But to challenge them about their motives is useless IMO. You are out boots on the ground so we appreciate your insight. I feel like the girl from " Waiting to exhale " who finally after many attempts found something they have been wanting for a long time and can finally exhale. Peace my brother.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1960073]I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.[/QUOTE]Your not the only one perplexed by this highly intelligent individual.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1960081]What does a six pack of Presidente (12 oz, or if not, give size) in a good sized supermarket? You can give it to me in dollars if you think that way, or in pesos and I'll look up the conversion. Just curious. I like that beer and always have one when I am in the Miami airport.[/QUOTE]Around 500 pesos dominicanos.

My chance to ask for your preferential destinations today.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1960073]My brother using the " Ignore " button is not a solution to anything. I have never in ten years used the ignore button and don't know how. You seem to think we really care about you checking a girl on the beach asking for food or a tout. It's much more you have to offer living in Sosua.

I speak for many when I ask you for more balance but for some reason you don't want to comply. That's sad. It makes some think you are walking around Sosua with blinders on and only focusing on the street beggars and not seeing the pretty girls. Who moves to Sosua to check street beggars and hang with the " Bros "? That's all you have given us. This is my last post here responding to you until you give us some useful information.

In closing It would benefit you to grow on your inability to finesse the Dominicans. You live there and you cannot always hide in Sosua with the bros. Dominicans are not the enemy and you are not at war. I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.[/QUOTE]My brother, all you are saying adds up to you trying to dictate how me and others should post according to things that most likely steps on your toes. I suspect you see yourself somewhere in those messages. The crux of the problem, is that YOU probably do not want to read yourself in that. If you had a valid disagreement, or something substantive to prove what I shared was wrong, you would have provided it. You should have provided it. Void in that department.

Instead you try a different approach, the ad hominem approach. If You can't refute or disprove the message, attack the individual. Directly and indirectly. Use the friendly concern approach, the condescending approach, and the shame tactics approach, the your posts are unbalanced approach ( likes its written somewhere in the guidelines you have to be balanced in your messages ). Make up shit about his alleged mentality, his alleged participation in the DR etc. Say crap that he's worrying and that it takes away from YOUR reason for going to the DR. Making fallacious claims of other individuals have asked him not to post this or that. The dominicans are going to make you learn the hard way. A bunch of bull. Youve tried em all, and none of them have worked. I hope folks are paying attention to this? This is what you have to deal with in life. Stand up to it.

I never received one request from anybody, or in PM. And really? What exactly are they going to ask me to do or not to do? The truth is, this is ALL about you. The power you all have is put posters you do not want to hear from, on ignore. Or do not read their post. But you do not have the right to control what people post. You have elected yourself as the front man of what I should and should not post?

So Bro, I'm fully aware of all of those weak tactics and attempts that select individuals (on just about every message board) try to use to control people when they personally do not like the message, or they see themselves in that message. It's like the person is talking to them directly, and they can't stand to see themselves. We get it, you like dealing with hustlers / touts / beggars etc. So don't read my posts then, since it bothers you and your comrades that much. Simple.

Because I'm going to be honest, I am not going to stop expressing issues as I see fit. Since you have elected yourself the spokesman for other invisible and nameless posters, let me offer some support to other registered posters who might be subject to individuals like you who try to manipulate and control other forum members. If you have something to offer the forum, post it. Don't let controlling people try to dictate what you should post as if it is all about them. Its not all about them. We all have been given the privilege to post here when we joined. You think I'm going to let a few disgruntled individuals manipulate me out of that?

What I am going to do, is respectfully invite you to debate me on ONLY the issues and leave the ad hominems out of this, , where you express your POV give reasons and substance to support it, I in turn will express mine providing the same, and we go from there. If we disagree, or do not see eye to eye, so be it. But the nonsense before is going to stop.

[QUOTE=Questner;1960265]Around 500 pesos dominicanos.My chance to ask for your preferential destinations today.[/QUOTE]$11 a six pack? Fuck. Count me out. Well, let's see. After last night's election results, I think we can rule out going to México as US citizens. Which I am, don't know about you. My favorite places in MX are Guadalajara and the central highlands such as San Miguel de Allende and San Luis Potosí, but I haven't been to México in a long time. Panamá is good for mongering but I don't like much else about it except cheap beer. I like the Guatemalan highlands but the mongering is not that great. For pure mongering Asuncióand, Paraguay is good but only in the winter and it's a bug infested third world shit hole. I spent seven years, almost, in Buenos Aires but the woman presidenta cracked down on the clubs and now it's only internet mongering, which is still pretty good. People ask me why I left Argentina and besides the crackdown, the low quality of everyday products and the inflation drove me nuts.

Thailand is a dictatorship now, Macau has some awesome hookers but they are expensive, I did not like Cambodia and all those places are too hot for me, as is the DR. I loved Australia and NZ but I was there when the Ozzie dollar was 50 cents and the kiwi was 37 cents, all-time lows. Costs would not be reasonable for most people at the current levels, which are still fairly low historically (Ozzie was at par with Canada at 75 cents last time I checked). Plus the flights to Oceania are a real *****.

So that leaves Europe, and I would say the hidden gem is probably Bratislava in Slovakia. Cheap everything there, and Vienna is a short train ride if you need more cultural stimulus. Spain I discussed before. Let me just say that Spain is very misunderstood as a "country"; it's a collection of very different regions with very different dialects, although given that Franco repressed the local languages such as euskera, català, valenciano, etc. , most people do speak and understand Castilian Spanish even if they may not like to admit it. So in Spain, my favorite cities are València, Barcelona, and Málaga. I am just in the process of my first extended stay in Madrid and I like it so far. Then the only other place I really like in Europe is Portugal. I've only been to Lisboa and along the southern coast, and only mongered in Lisboa. English is much more widely spoken in Portugal than in Spain, and if you do not know portuguese, but do know spanish and english, go with english. Those two countries' relationship was probably best described to me thusly by a gentleman from Lisboa who owns a store in Faro: 'We love them because they are our neighbors, but otherwise we hate them. ' Lisboa not only has good mongering but a great transportation system. However, the food and drink is not on a par with Spain. It's inexpensive, though. Both iberian countries have high apartment vacancy rates and high unemployment rates. Portugal probably has more natural beauty than Spain. Another European country I liked was Croatia, but I was with someone and did not monger there. It is inexpensive as well. Food is so-so and the beer is good.

I've also been to North Africa and have no desire to go back. Ever.

Personally, at this point I am leaning towards going back to Antigua, Guate. They don't care how long you stay as long as you leave for three days every 90 days, and even if you overstay, the fine is ridiculously low, and maxes out at some ridiculously low level, maybe 1000 quetzales? Or maybe it is 1. 500.7. 5 q = 1 US dollar and that exchange rate is managed and has been stable for several years.

Oh, and I like Quito, Ecuador too although the weather is not the best. June through August are the dry months, which are the wettest months in Centroamérica, so that works out well. Cheap, I like the food, they use the US dollar which is handy if your assets are denominated in US dollars. Kinda dangerous though. IMO Ecuador is not as dangerous as Colombia, Honduras, or Venezuela. I have not been to El Salvador, which also uses the dollar (as does Panamá) and is also supposed to be pretty dangerous. No sane person would consider Venezuela at this point, which is too bad because the women there are the most beautiful in all of LatAm, IMO. The good news is, there are plenty of venezolana hookers in Spain and Portugal.

So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, València, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Málaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Málaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1960445]So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, Valncia, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Mlaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Mlaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the "beer drinking mongers quick flying overview of monger's world", DH. I share the interests you mention, especially hookers, history and beer! You may have saved me some money.

I'm in Canada and miss Presidente, but a buddy brings it over the U.S. border for me. Don't know how much he pays for it though. Maybe if that yoooge wall goes up it'll cost more!

Funny to hear about Bratislava though as a mongering destination. A couple years after the Wall came down we drove down there from Warsaw. It was a beautiful sunny day, but it seemed the whole city (downtown) was deserted. Never saw the people. We found a small restaurant for lunch and moved on. I can't see it in the same league as Prague, or Budapest, and certainly not Sosua! But probably hoards of tourist business now.

Well, I would assume that there are one or two readers who like tall, leggy blondes with big tits for 50-70 euro an hour, and that's what you have in Bratislava. I'd say 80% of the hookers are Slovakian, but I could be wrong since I can't speak a word of the language. I can learn new languages, but not new alphabets. The Old Town is pretty cool. Some of the bars are actual caves and I think it dates all the way back to the XIII century. Public transport is good, buses and streetcars, and it has a good public library with SOME English books. A few. The food there is hard for me to evaluate because a lot of the time I had no idea what I was eating. I had an apartment and a kitchen but even in the grocery store it was hard for me to figure out what the fuck I was buying. Some bartenders speak some English, but no one in the grocery stores. Very few waiters. So I ate quite a bit of pizza when I did eat out, or would sometimes order off the fixed lunch menu without any idea of what I was getting, and often after I ate it, I had no idea what it was. One thing about that country, and this applies to Hungary and the Czech Republic as well, is they have very high alcoholism rates. They drink, a lot, and the hard stuff, which I gave up a few years back. And, at least in Bratislava, they drink on the job. That's probably suboptimal. Got to remember, it was a long time between when the wall came down and when they got into the EU. They had just gotten in maybe a year before I went there.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1960445]$11 a six pack? Fuck. Count me out. Well, let's see. After last night's election results, I think we can rule out going to Mxico as US citizens. Which I am, don't know about you. My favorite places in MX are Guadalajara and the central highlands such as San Miguel de Allende and San Luis Potos, but I haven't been to Mxico in a long time. Panam is good for mongering but I don't like much else about it except cheap beer. I like the Guatemalan highlands but the mongering is not that great. For pure mongering Asunciand, Paraguay is good but only in the winter and it's a bug infested third world shit hole. I spent seven years, almost, in Buenos Aires but the woman presidenta cracked down on the clubs and now it's only internet mongering, which is still pretty good. People ask me why I left Argentina and besides the crackdown, the low quality of everyday products and the inflation drove me nuts.

Thailand is a dictatorship now, Macau has some awesome hookers but they are expensive, I did not like Cambodia and all those places are too hot for me, as is the DR. I loved Australia and NZ but I was there when the Ozzie dollar was 50 cents and the kiwi was 37 cents, all-time lows. Costs would not be reasonable for most people at the current levels, which are still fairly low historically (Ozzie was at par with Canada at 75 cents last time I checked). Plus the flights to Oceania are a real *****.

So that leaves Europe, and I would say the hidden gem is probably Bratislava in Slovakia. Cheap everything there, and Vienna is a short train ride if you need more cultural stimulus. Spain I discussed before. Let me just say that Spain is very misunderstood as a "country"; it's a collection of very different regions with very different dialects, although given that Franco repressed the local languages such as euskera, catal, valenciano, etc. , most people do speak and understand Castilian Spanish even if they may not like to admit it. So in Spain, my favorite cities are Valncia, Barcelona, and Mlaga. I am just in the process of my first extended stay in Madrid and I like it so far. Then the only other place I really like in Europe is Portugal. I've only been to Lisboa and along the southern coast, and only mongered in Lisboa. English is much more widely spoken in Portugal than in Spain, and if you do not know portuguese, but do know spanish and english, go with english. Those two countries' relationship was probably best described to me thusly by a gentleman from Lisboa who owns a store in Faro: 'We love them because they are our neighbors, but otherwise we hate them. ' Lisboa not only has good mongering but a great transportation system. However, the food and drink is not on a par with Spain. It's inexpensive, though. Both iberian countries have high apartment vacancy rates and high unemployment rates. Portugal probably has more natural beauty than Spain. Another European country I liked was Croatia, but I was with someone and did not monger there. It is inexpensive as well. Food is so-so and the beer is good.

I've also been to North Africa and have no desire to go back. Ever.

Personally, at this point I am leaning towards going back to Antigua, Guate. They don't care how long you stay as long as you leave for three days every 90 days, and even if you overstay, the fine is ridiculously low, and maxes out at some ridiculously low level, maybe 1000 quetzales? Or maybe it is 1. 500.7. 5 q = 1 US dollar and that exchange rate is managed and has been stable for several years.

Oh, and I like Quito, Ecuador too although the weather is not the best. June through August are the dry months, which are the wettest months in Centroamrica, so that works out well. Cheap, I like the food, they use the US dollar which is handy if your assets are denominated in US dollars. Kinda dangerous though. IMO Ecuador is not as dangerous as Colombia, Honduras, or Venezuela. I have not been to El Salvador, which also uses the dollar (as does Panam) and is also supposed to be pretty dangerous. No sane person would consider Venezuela at this point, which is too bad because the women there are the most beautiful in all of LatAm, IMO. The good news is, there are plenty of venezolana hookers in Spain and Portugal.

So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, Valncia, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Mlaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Mlaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the GREAT READ Dickhead.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1959211]Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.

Then in the Philippines I was taking a trike with my girl. I was inside of the sidecar while she was on the back of the bike with the driver. The driver stopped at a light and a little girl bypassed both of them and came to me in the sidecar with her hand out. I reached my girl's purse out to her but she would not touch it. Later I asked my girl why the girl would not take the purse and neither asked her nor the driver for money. She said because I am a foreigner.

Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.[/QUOTE]A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.

[QUOTE=Cool;1961219]A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.[/QUOTE]Enough already!

CBA 1. 01

Hate to break it to y'all, but beggars, gasp, profile!

Like robbers, they go where the money is.

[QUOTE=Cool;1961219]A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.[/QUOTE]Of course. The average wage in the DR in 2014 was about $14,000 pesos per month, which is about $300 in US money. The average salary in the US varies wildly from state to state, but even the minimum wage is at least 4 x more than the Dominican average.

Of course a lot of things are cheaper in the DR, but consumer good are not, medicines are not, gasoline is not, cooking gas is not, nutrients like milk powder for babies are not. Few people in the DR have air conditioning in their homes in the stifling heat, and even if they have electric fans to sleep at night, the power often goes out. When people cook with gas in their kitchens, the heat and humidity of the whole apartment becomes unbearable.

However a lot of people who post on this board use the argument that since they themselves were born into poverty (in the US or Canada) and worked their way into a position of financial independence, then it is just as easy for the average Dominican to do the same thing.

There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1961450]Of course. The average wage in the DR in 2014 was about $14,000 pesos per month, which is about $300 in US money. The average salary in the US varies wildly from state to state, but even the minimum wage is at least 4 x more than the Dominican average.

Of course a lot of things are cheaper in the DR, but consumer good are not, medicines are not, gasoline is not, cooking gas is not, nutrients like milk powder for babies are not. Few people in the DR have air conditioning in their homes in the stifling heat, and even if they have electric fans to sleep at night, the power often goes out. When people cook with gas in their kitchens, the heat and humidity of the whole apartment becomes unbearable.

However a lot of people who post on this board use the argument that since they themselves were born into poverty (in the US or Canada) and worked their way into a position of financial independence, then it is just as easy for the average Dominican to do the same thing.

There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.[/QUOTE]I don't know your sources in regard to the average wages but anybody with an elementary knowledge of statistics should realize averages are very misleading. I am willing to bet that the median wages are far below 14 K making the poverty issue in DR far more acute. This is not a critique of your posting with which I agree wholeheartdly. Greetings.

[QUOTE=Yonkers44;1961541]I don't know your sources in regard to the average wages but anybody with an elementary knowledge of statistics should realize averages are very misleading. I am willing to bet that the median wages are far below 14 K making the poverty issue in DR far more acute. This is not a critique of your posting with which I agree wholeheartdly. Greetings.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I realize that. The numbers came from a report in Dominican Today. Average figures are always misleading and of course can vary in different parts of the country and so on, so all they can do is give you are broad idea. The median wage must, by definition, be higher than the minimum wage. Anyhow, we know that earnings of individuals are much, much lower than in the US, even when you adjust for some price differences like health care, which is much, much more expensive in the US.

The point about the begging is that a Dominican is much, much less likely to have $5 dollars to spare than a tourist. When I was living in Sosua, I used to go to a restaurant where I got a wonderful breakfast for 150 pesos (about 4 dollars US money). There was bacon, fresh eggs, fried potatoes, fruit salad with five types of fresh fruit, three types of breads, jam, butter, cafe con leche, a glass of water. Much better than any breakfast I can find in the US even at double or triple the price. But I never saw local Dominicans eating there, only tourists and their companions, and I am sure that the reason was that the price was still way out of the budget of average working Dominicans. For same reason, you hardly ever see Dominicans buying two seats in a shared taxi to give themselves more space, but tourists and expats often do this, even though the reason why they are traveling in a public taxi is to save money.

It just amazes me that people simply don't understand that the vast majority of Dominicans do not have the same level of income as tourists and expats when the evidence is all around them, and all they have to do is ask.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1961450] There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.[/QUOTE]Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1961577]I got a wonderful breakfast for 150 pesos (about 4 dollars US money). There was bacon, fresh eggs, fried potatoes, fruit salad with five types of fresh fruit, three types of breads, jam, butter, cafe con leche, a glass of water. Much better than any breakfast I can find in the US even at double or triple the price. But I never saw local Dominicans eating there, only tourists and their companions, and I am sure that the reason was that the price was still way out of the budget of average working Dominicans.[/QUOTE]Or possibly they just don't like the food. Do they have salami, mangu and avocado? Dominicans will choose those over bacon and croissants. Likewise at the hotels I stayed in China, rice porridge and steamed buns are always more popular than sausage and scrambled eggs.

In Sosua I eat almost exclusively at the Dominican restaurant near City Light. It's always busy with locals, meals are around 200 pesos.

The DR has been getting pummeled with a lot of rain this rainy season. I believe we've had consistent rain daily and nightly for over 3 weeks straight (particularly in Sosua) With perhaps 3 or 4 dry mornings and afternoons. But eventually by early evening it rains again. Many folks from around the world are getting reports of severe flooding in many areas throughout the DR. But not everywhere are people experiencing devastating consequences.

The good thing here in Sosua, is, many guys are making the best of all of this damn rain. People have adapted by moving about when the rain stops for a little while. By the time it picks back up again, they might be at their destination already. If not, they wait the rain out and move when the coast is clear.

The rain has definitely had some affect on beach time. Beach goers have gone to the beach, and eventually had to deal with major down pours. Having to seek refuge inside of restaurants and bars. Noticeably the beach has been baron on very cloudy days. Assuming folks do not care to be caught in the rain.

Hung out at Flame Bar last night. Flame Bar used to be called Winners Circle. Before, the bar used to be in the center of the room. This time it is off to the right with stools. Around the perimeter are more stools, and on the left side and rear are some soft lounge couches.

It was a buddies birthday. He originally tried to have his party up in Classicos, but ended up at the Flame Bar. I like it, because it was a cozier atmosphere than I think Classicos would have been. Plus, I don't go to Classicos anyway, so it suit me just fine. Of course where potential clients go, the women will follow. So every now and then, women came by to investigate for themselves.

We all chipped in for food, drink and a cake. The bartenders were very nice, and also were a part of our celebration.

I have to say, Sosua's talent (and I only mean volume and attractiveness) has picked up since earlier this year. There are always new chicas coming to Sosua seeking work. And like many, these are the ones guys like to check out before they become hardcore. I was out Saturday Night for a little while, and Bourbon Street was full with chicas. Went to Merengue Bar, and that place almost had no available seats. It reminded me of 5 years ago, before they put up the windows and doors outside each bar. There were wall to wall chicas. A guy had his pick of available attractive chicas. It was lively, it was jumping.

Normally I prefer tranquility, and I would usually be home with my own company early evening. But that night was really refreshing seeing that Sosua is not losing itself, just re inventing itself. Of course, it should be noted, that just because there are a lot of nice looking chicas, and many are ready and available, that does not mean that all of these chicas will go with a guy if he doesn't meet their financial expectations.

I have talked to quite a few guys and many have claimed they have run into women that have expectations of getting paid 3000 for an hour, 5000 for an hour, up to a couple of hundred dollars for ST or TLN. Even average looking women are coming at guiys like that. Many not budging either. Over a month ago a cute Haitian chica quoted me 6000 for TLN, then switched to 4000. I declined both offers, and now she has an attitude. But she never stops getting clients, and guys have heard her high expectations like I have.

Of course some instances it's just the chicas trying to negotiate high and hoping to settle somewhere next to their expectations. However, a lot of guys do not negotiate. A guy offers her a reasonable price, and the chica gives them some ridiculous high price, they will just walk away. And that's even after the chica immediately comes down. For some guys they figure a chica not getting her original price, may compensate her sense of loss by providing crappy service. For some guys, if a chica only went up 500 pesos from his offer that chica might of had some business. But it also may depend on how she comes at the guy when she addresses it and / or how much the guy wants the girl.

I think Mr E was in town almost 2 months ago? We sat at Bourbon Street ( on the strip ) and I watched him stop and briefly interview several chicas, and almost all of them had some high ass price / expectations. And enough of them wouldn't even budge or negotiate. They just walked off, almost as if they were insulted that he wasn't willing to pay them what they wanted. . I got to see/hear that devilish laugh he's got after they gave him their figure. In fact, that might be more of why they walked off in a huff, than learning what he was willing to pay. Eventually after going through enough of them, he found one that made the cut.

Good read, thanks for posting. Mr E probably told the Chica's to pay him just to play with them. Surprised at the starting prices but with the rain maybe girls will become more reasonable. It's funny because we have beautiful weather here in Florida but I can't wait to get to the DR and the rain in a couple days LOL.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1962258]Good read, thanks for posting. Mr E probably told the Chica's to pay him just to play with them. Surprised at the starting prices but with the rain maybe girls will become more reasonable. It's funny because we have beautiful weather here in Florida but I can't wait to get to the DR and the rain in a couple days LOL.[/QUOTE]I have several theories to why some of these chicas are quoting high prices. Anybody else can weigh in.

1) In the last 2 or 3 yrs, a lot more chicas are driving cars now. Many if not most bought by foreigners. Many of these same men are spending big bucks to maintain these women as well. Other chicas see this, as well as chicas sharing intel with other chicas how they bagged a "rich" foreigner. The idea, is that these chicas know there is a lot of money at our disposal. And they know that enough of us cant wait to give it away, given the opportunity.

2) IMO a lot of chicas are not humble in the game as you or I may remember from years past. Where chicas seemed more appreciative and grateful if they were chosen. Enough of these chicas today act like they are doing you a favor by giving you the time of day. I heard enough talk about the value of them sharing their pussy with a man. In other words, enough chicas have got the big head. Swollen, acting like they are all that.

By now many guys have heard of the infamous Daniela. She has gotten quite thick after she had her daughter a few years ago. She's kinda bounced back, looks good if you like them thick like that. But she has been taken care of by men for a number of years. Learned English, drives her SUV and who knows what else she has going for herself. My point is, she does not sell herself cheap. She comes off as her pussy is super valuable. And if you want to have some, you got to pay.

A guy I know just told me that he used to kick it with her a lot. And recently he had tried to hook up and she let him know that he had to come up with 5000 pesos in order to play. All that past history didn't mean jack. She requires at least 5000 pesos. Even though he said she will fuck the shit out of you, he declined. Nevertheless, she must get what she expects, because I see her in BS with clients all the time. Funny to me, is seeing her drive off in her SUV with her captured prey.

You can best believe a lot of the better looking chicas, they definietly have the big head about their pussy value. And have no problem telling a monger some ridiculous price for their time / pussy.

3) Enough chicas are simply learning from other chicas. Taking whatever information or lessons in on how they should go about their hustle. Enough have learned that they can get their price moreso than being turned down. And besides, if enough of these chicas have a quota for lets say a month, they can easily manage that. They may not have to have a bunch of clients per day or week. Another thing is, enough of these chicas especially the good looking ones, they already have WU novios sending them money. So they arent completely broke. Coming to Sosua may be just to earn pocket change, socialize and mentor other chicas.

IMO there are chicas that are broke, because they arent getting any business, and there are chicas pretending to be broke. Those are the types that can get sympathy money off of foreigners. In addition, enough chicas save money by keeping their money while spending the foreigners money. Every pesos counts. So if a chica can get food, drinks, groceries, gifts, money from sob stories, all of that can be applied to lets say her rent at one of the local hotels they stay at.

4) BS has pretty much taken over Rumbas function. But unlike Rumba bar or the restaurant, Bourbon Street can be perceived as an "upscale" restaurant. Some of the pricier items on the menu are 750 and up. And chicas see plenty of guys having no problems or reservations spending that kind of money on what they want to eat and drink. And from that, may assume that we can afford paying $100 for some pussy, even if it's only an hour. Guys buying 250 peso meals from Rumba restaurant may not give these chicas the same impression. Of course we cant under estimate the impact of chicas seeing us manage the expense of hotels,car rentals, flights, dining, paying for pussy, the expensive stuff we bring on vacation, and anything else.

If you pay attention what chicas order at BS it's usually, cervezas (grande or pequena) , soda, maybe a mixed drink, a plate of french fries, or a plate of garlic bread. Thats what most will spend to justify taking up a seat in BS. If they can eye lash bat and flirt with a guy into inviting them to his table to eat or drink, it's better for them. It seems a lot of guys are learning that game, and aren't quick to be buying food or drinks just because some chick smiled at them. I have to say, a lot of the chicas that hang out in BS kinda look a little frustrated and desperate while hoping to snag a client. When they do though, them muggs look happy as hell, especially when they are walking out with them. They have that "LOOK AT ME YA'LL I HAVE A CUSTOMER. " "Hold my seat girl, I just might be back shortly. " "Order another round of garlic bread, on me".

Any word what is going up in D'latin's old space?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1962358]I have several theories to why some of these chicas are quoting high prices. Anybody else can weigh in.


You can best believe a lot of the better looking chicas, they definietly have the big head about their pussy value. And have no problem telling a monger some ridiculous price for their time / pussy.


[/QUOTE]It has always been that way when men pay women for sex. The correct price for pussy is what the market will stand. Like airlines. The exact same seat on the exact same plane on the exact same route might be double the price 24 hours later if there is greater demand or the flight arrives at a more convenient time, or with less connection time.

Either chicas are giving high estimated quotes because they think they can get close to those prices, or they are quoting prices that they don't think they will get, because they would just as soon pass on that particular customer unless he wants to make her an offer she cannot refuse. However like airline seats, you may get better deals on last minute deals, or deals at odd times of day, or if there are cancellations. Or if you work for the airline.

It seems logical that better-looking chicas would be looking for higher prices than more average or ugly chicas, since sexual attraction is usually related to physical attractiveness. You also have to take into account that looking better also costs more in terms of salon care, dental care (if needed), hooker costumes, and so on, so the better looking chicas will probably have a higher overhead.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1961934]Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.[/QUOTE]You are right that probably very few have inherited money, but most a pretty cagey about revealing their source of income, which is entirely understandable, but then when you get into discussions about the cost of living in the DR, it is not always easy to know how much people are trying to live on. For example, a single man in the New York City or Miami areas who had a modest home with the mortgage paid off may be able to sell it and buy a palatial residence in the DR with the proceeds, giving Dominicans the appearance of great wealth, when he was just an ordinary Joe in New York or Miami.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1962655]It has always been that way when men pay women for sex. The correct price for pussy is what the market will stand. Like airlines. The exact same seat on the exact same plane on the exact same route might be double the price 24 hours later if there is greater demand or the flight arrives at a more convenient time, or with less connection time.

Either chicas are giving high estimated quotes because they think they can get close to those prices, or they are quoting prices that they don't think they will get, because they would just as soon pass on that particular customer unless he wants to make her an offer she cannot refuse. However like airline seats, you may get better deals on last minute deals, or deals at odd times of day, or if there are cancellations. Or if you work for the airline.

It seems logical that better-looking chicas would be looking for higher prices than more average or ugly chicas, since sexual attraction is usually related to physical attractiveness. You also have to take into account that looking better also costs more in terms of salon care, dental care (if needed), hooker costumes, and so on, so the better looking chicas will probably have a higher overhead.[/QUOTE]Using your airline example, but from an aware mongers potential perspective, there are a lot of airlines in the p4 p industry, as opposed to aviation. And that means a monger can choose to fly any puta airline that meets his budget, and accommodations.

Each p4 p airline can adjust their fares accordingly because of their alleged overhead (salon, uniforms, medical / dental and so on). They generally do that because they are in competition ( with other puta airlines ) for the mongers business. But their expenses/overhead isn't the mongers problem or concern. Mongers don't typically care how much women pay with their own money, to beautify themselves.

We don't generally see mongers in the salon advising putas on how they should wear their hair, or what clothes they should put on to attract business. That is all on them what they feel they need to do, hoping to stand out from their competition.

So a puta airline can pay all of those expenses and try to pass that expense over to the monger. And a monger can say, thanks but no thanks. I have other options. There are too many other puta airlines out here to choose from. And of course a puta airline can bag another monger more than willing to meet her price.

What most aware mongers probably want that ranks just as high as appearance, is good fucking service. Because all of that beautification doesn't mean a damn thing if a monger can't get the service that comes with the look. And that is what enough of these egotistical airlines fail to grasp. They come up with ridiculous prices, but enough often fail to provide the service the customer was hoping he was paying for.

Yeah a particular puta airline might get a mongers business that one time because of a decent presentation. But if the service was shitty or non existent, they aren't likely to get repeat business or good references. If anything poor reviews may circulate resulting in losing potential business. That goes for the attractive ones, the ugly ones and anyone in between.

After talking to enough mongers. Many prefer a non flashy puta airline that provides a decent presentation and outstanding service (worth giving repeat business to) than an airline spending a grip on a facade with no substance behind it. A puta airline surviving mostly on new customers instead of new and repeat business, may say a lot about the kind of service one might expect from them.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1963146] But their expenses/overhead isn't the mongers problem or concern. Mongers don't typically care how much women pay with their own money, to beautify themselves.

We don't generally see mongers in the salon advising putas on how they should wear their hair, or what clothes they should put on to attract business. That is all on them what they feel they need to do, hoping to stand out from their competition. [/QUOTE]Yes, but mongers can, if they wish, apply a bit of common sense, like using an airport with lower taxes like Santiago, rather than Puerto Plata so as to save money.

[QUOTE]What most aware mongers probably want that ranks just as high as appearance, is good fucking service. [/QUOTE]I don't know how many times I have to explain this. The girls you meet in the DR are not licensed professional with mission statements about customer service. They are just on the street to meet a short term or medium term financial goal, like making the payment for their phone tomorrow, buying a medication, paying back money borrowed from a friends, or sending home so many pesos at the end of the week. Believe me, they are not wracking their brains thinking about how to make Wrx2005 a repeat customer. They are thinking about the 3000 pesos they need by tomorrow.

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Yeah a particular puta airline might get a mongers business that one time because of a decent presentation. But if the service was shitty or non existent, they aren't likely to get repeat business or good references. If anything poor reviews may circulate resulting in losing potential business. That goes for the attractive ones, the ugly ones and anyone in between. [/QUOTE]Well, there are different models for prostitution. Some may prefer using their looks to get expensive one-offs, others may prefer using their personality and sexual skills to get repeat business. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner. Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.

[QUOTE] A puta surviving mostly on new customers instead of new and repeat business, may say a lot about the kind of service one might expect from them.[/QUOTE]Quite so, she probably doesn't care very much for the company of sex tourists outside of their ATM role. So use your skills and avoid her.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1963175]I don't know how many times I have to explain this. The girls you meet in the DR are not licensed professional with mission statements about customer service. They are just on the street to meet a short term or medium term financial goal, like making the payment for their phone tomorrow, buying a medication, paying back money borrowed from a friends, or sending home so many pesos at the end of the week. Believe me, they are not wracking their brains thinking about how to make Wrx2005 a repeat customer. They are thinking about the 3000 pesos they need by tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Exactly when did desiring good service indicate or imply a monger expects a woman to be or perform like a licensed professional? Better yet. Explain the difference between the good services I'm referring to, VS the good services of the licensed professionals you are referring to? Since I'm sure you do not have a clue, maybe you ought to realize what I said has very little to do with your statement.

[QUOTE]Well, there are different models for prostitution. Some may prefer using their looks to get expensive one-offs, others may prefer using their personality and sexual skills to get repeat business. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner. Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.

Quite so, she probably doesn't care very much for the company of sex tourists outside of their ATM role. So use your skills and avoid her.[/QUOTE]True a lot of men may not be interested in repeat business, but many men DO value repeat business as well as enjoy having regulars. Women don't become regulars (to mongers) because they are consistent in providing lousy service. Many if not most chicas in the p4 p game, they have demonstrated that THEY DO want repeat business. They do value references, and they do value being someones regular.

So just because a woman may be dense, uneducated, non professional, non licensed or not wracking their brains, only thinking about the money. Those not getting repeat business or good references, or elevated to regular status, they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences for their ignorance, selfishness, prima donna attitude, or whatever their deficiency may be.

See, I'm not a female / woman apologist or sympathizer. I support the notion, that if a woman wants or needs something in life, from other people, then she needs to earn it, just like men are always expected to earn. Not having training or education on how to be a successful puta is no excuse for not being able to figure out what it may take to keep the business flowing.

They ( women ) have a right to be selective in what types of things they do, and who they do it with. They might be having a bad day, or not feeling like doing this or that. But if they fail or fall short, they only have themselves to blame. For the most part, most of these women only have a short window of opportunity to work with anyway. At some point in time, their value will plummet a lot faster than the mongers they wish to continue getting business from.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1963175]A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner.[/QUOTE]Let\s expand on other possibilities. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business because sexual excitement or interest is often related to the impression and type of business that was provided the 1st time. A lot of chicas lose the opportunity for repeat business because their initial business opportunity failed to produce the results that might give a man reason to repeat. Which may mean the man's curiosity may still be intact, but his interest in repeating in order to satisfy that curiosity is non existent. Many men have aborted sexual encounters with chicas, because the 1st encounter was enough warning not to waste time or money on them again.

Moreover, that same individual may share with others, who in turn may take his information / experience under advisement, and leave that chica alone as well. In other words, in order to get repeat business, a chica may need to get past her 1st business encounter. Especially if she may want or expects some man to repeat with her. It's common knowledge enough DR chicas in the p4 p game are clueless or just plain dumb. I've seen many chicas try to get repeat business from guys they turned off, gave bad or mediocre service to, stole from the guy, gave the dude a hard time, talking or texting too much on their cell phones, a whole bunch of shit. And then got the nerve to catch an attitude because some guy doesn't want to be bothered.

[QUOTE]Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. But it is also a fact for enough men, that absence makes the dick grow fonder. You stop fucking a chica you thoroughly enjoyed, let's say for a few weeks or a few months, the dick will reset it's interest in that pussy in order to experience what it missed. Upon return, that pussy and the thrill of hitting it, will be like brand spanking new.

The lesson here, is don't under estimate the value repeat business is to these p4 p chicas. Garnering repeat business is more necessary than some of these chicas may realize. Enough DR p4 p chicas are very foolish in that regard. Some get it and some don't. Thats why I like hearing stories from other mongers, of how many of the Brazilian and Colombian women view their role when they are in the p4 p game. Many take pride in what they do while they are earning. And enough feel it's their duty to make sure their partners are satisfied. And if not, many desire to do what it takes to facilitate satisfaction. Resulting in more potential for repeat business.

But here in the DR? There seems to be more indifference in the attitudes of enough DR women than concern of pleasing their partners. Of course much depends on the individuals. But I'm sure there are enough men reading this, that can relate to what I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1963392]Thats why I like hearing stories from other mongers, of how many of the Brazilian and Colombian women view their role when they are in the p4 p game. Many take pride in what they do while they are earning. And enough feel it's their duty to make sure their partners are satisfied. And if not, many desire to do what it takes to facilitate satisfaction. Resulting in more potential for repeat business.

But here in the DR? There seems to be more indifference in the attitudes of enough DR women than concern of pleasing their partners. Of course much depends on the individuals. But I'm sure there are enough men reading this, that can relate to what I'm saying.[/QUOTE]And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1963420]And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.[/QUOTE]Imma beat them to the punch. We both know, somebody is probably thinking and come back with "Well if you don't like the service DR women put out, then why do you keep dealing with them, why not just go to Brazil or Colombia where you can get the service you claim to want?"

Answer: Because nobody is claiming they didn't or don't like the service that all DR women put out. And nobody said all DR women act or perform the same. What is being addressed does not apply to ALL DR women, only to those that fits the criteria / information. Those that don't fit the criteria, they are not the ones anyone is concerned about. .

[URL]http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdict[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1963450] Answer: Because nobody is claiming they didn't or don't like the service that all DR women put out. And nobody said all DR women act or perform the same. What is being addressed does not apply to ALL DR women, only to those that fits the criteria / information. Those that don't fit the criteria, they are not the ones anyone is concerned about. .[/QUOTE]There is a rule known as that of 80/20. Looks like you have sucked a lot of oxygen to prove that, once again! Kudos!

Actually, I thought the chicas in Sosua performed better than the Colombians in Bogota. Might have been because I went to La Pasion in Sosua (3500 Pesos LNT) and in Bogota the cheap ass casas where I payed 7-10 $ bucks for 20 minutes.

The top girls that I've had in Spain have been from Brazil, Venezuela and Paraguay.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1963559]There is a rule known as that of 80/20. Looks like you have sucked a lot of oxygen to prove that, once again! Kudos![/QUOTE]Actually I have you to thank for that. Way back when I shared a post of my experience staying at Mary Rose and gave a report. And here you are today responding to this post. Mental telepathy is a mutha fukker.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;1963586]Actually, I thought the chicas in Sosua performed better than the Colombians in Bogota. Might have been because I went to La Pasion in Sosua (3500 Pesos LNT) and in Bogota the cheap ass casas where I payed 7-10 $ bucks for 20 minutes.

The top girls that I've had in Spain have been from Brazil, Venezuela and Paraguay.[/QUOTE]Well damn bruh, you know how long ago that must have been when you went to Sosua for that? A whole different generation of chicas were on the scene then. Back then, I recall a lot more hand holding of couples walking down the street or on the beach. A lot more Toda La Noche and GFE back then than what we see today, IMO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1963420]And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Brazil yet. The average P4 P hooker in Colombia, I was not too impressed at all. That CBJ bullshit would not last a Colombian hoe 1 day in the DR. I don't need a time machine to go back to the "Sosua of a bygone era" to get GFE and TLN. I had a ball just last month!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1963667]I have not been to Brazil yet. The average P4 P hooker in Colombia, I was not too impressed at all. That CBJ bullshit would not last a Colombian hoe 1 day in the DR.[/QUOTE]Damn! You must have been going to Colombia for several years huh? Sosua is a little itty bitty place in comparison. There are at least 4 or more cities in Colombia I have heard mongers go to. Rhetorical questions. How many Colombian hookers does that amount to? And how many out of that average can a monger find, that is impressive and also provides BBBJ? I would hope I could find at least 2 that I can be impressed with, when I finally visit.

[QUOTE]I don't need a time machine to go back to the "Sosua of a bygone era" to get GFE and TLN. I had a ball just last month![/QUOTE]Exactly! Those who know how to operate in Sosua (or anywhere) can find what they want if they put in the effort. Some cats are just lucky. A good strategy has always been establishing connections and maintaining them.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1961934]Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.[/QUOTE]This is a statement based on pure supposition with little or no basis in fact. On what are your probabilities based? Just as well could be money earned from investing, illegal activity, or a private pension. Disabilities are a big scam? Tell that to individuals injured both physically and mentally while performing duties for their fellow citizens.

I have been watching this particular chica for a few weeks. I"ve seen her walking the beach with her friends. She's stopped by my buddies bar / restaurant on the beach a few times. Finally I see her at Bourbon Street sitting at the next table. Most of the time when I see this chica her eyes are always front, barely makes eye contact. If anything she is probably using her squirrel eyes to see when guys are checking her out, as well as reports from her amigas walking or sitting with her.

Anyway this particular night in Bourbon Street she locked eyes on me, we greeted and the flirt game was on. The whole time she was sitting there, she couldn't stop turning around to look back at my table. A married monger associate of mine ( sitting with me ), I pointed her out to him, because she resembled his dominican wifes, girlfriend. I went out with her a few times, but we dropped off when I left for the states back in Sept. And decided to leave her alone.

A few minutes later, this dude reaches over to her, hands her his phone asking her to put her number in his phone. Then he turns to me, and claims he is getting her number for ME? I'm like WTF are we in high school? WTF you do that for? I didn't want to go off on him, but I didn't like that shit. If you want the number for yourself, then go for it. I have no problem with that. But don't do me any favors. Well it became apparent, that he asked for her number because he suddenly became interested, when I pointed her out to him, and expressed that I had been checking her out.

Man if you want a woman that bad, then go for it. And you don' t have to lie or make up excuses just to get a hookers number. Every chica at her table looked confused as hell when he handed her his phone. According to him, he said they acted like they didn't know how to enter the number. They did eventually. But after that, the chica wasnt looking back at my table the way she was initially. It's almost like, something went wrong, and possibly I must not have been interested?

Fast forward to the next night. I'm sitting in BS again. The chica is passing by, spots me, and smiles. This time I called her over, slipped my arm around her waist. She felt pretty good. I told her to give me her number, and I will text her later when I am ready to leave. She agreed, said she was going to Merengue with her amigas. About 30 minutes later I sent her a whatsapp message, and told her I will be ready to leave in a few minutes. I texted her again and she said she is on her way to Bourbon Street now to meet me. She is there in a flash.

We leave in my car. I asked her if she was hungry and I took her to the Dominican Restaurant next to City Lights. From the time we left until we got to my place, she was very chilled. Like she was happy that we finally hooked up. Were sitting on the couch watching a movie on Space channel. Then she gets up to go eat her food. I got her a Presidente. After wards, she cuddles up on the couch with me. Were making small talk and everything seems quite natural. I find out that she is 29 yrs old, has one child 8 yrs old. Been in Sosua about 2 months. That would be about right, because that is when I started seeing her in Sosua.

At this point, I'm thinking, do I want a ST with her, or do I want TLN? My history of having TLN's does not necessarily factor in extra sessions. If it works out that way, so be it. I have had a few TLN's over the years where I had multiple sessions. But usually, it's one good session and just me having a warm body next to me through the night. I have been successful on occasion in adjusting my cost of TLN's by advising many of these women that I live here, and not on vacation.

Eventually I turn the TV on in the bedroom, and move the party there. She might have been thinking, what took you so long? But that's just me, I don't like no rush session. The tv became more of a distraction than entertainment, so I put on some music instead. This chica is very affectionate. Very passionate, and touchy feely. I'm massaging her back for a few minutes, then ask her to jump in the shower. I take mine. I go back to massaging her again and kissing her back. I can see she is getting into it, because she's moaning a little and squirming to my kissing her back, and neck. Even if she was putting it on, it sounded good, and was arousing me more.

The 1st thing a guy might notice about her, is that she has some very kissable lips. So by the time she was giving me a BBBJ, I was like yes that is what those delicious lips were made for. Sex was passionate and affectionate. And even though it was with a condom, I was able to bust eventually. I've been spoiled by my regulars that I bang BB. Sleeping with her was nice and non intrusive. Many times, after busting I am done having a woman around. But this time, her company was welcome.

I repeated with her 2 nights after, and this time she showed me something new. She was offering up those delicious lips with a very sensuous BBBJ, and when it was time to bust kept sucking until I was done. I was surprised, but damn sure was relieved. Surprisingly, she took her time getting up to go to the bathroom. I don't know if she swallowed or not. I shoulda asked her a few quick questions to get her to talk before she left. Then I woulda been sure. My pretend GF is still reigning champ of my BBBJ's. Thorough!

The young lady spent the night again, and I dropped her off in the morning. Our agreement was 2000 for 1 or 2 hours. And I told her that if she wanted to spend the night, she was welcome but I could only give her 2000. She had agreed. I stuffed 2300 in her purse in the morning. No big deal right? She only provided one session anyway. And I did her a favor. It was raining, and dreary out. She told me that she pays 350 pesos per night to stay at her hotel. So I'm sure she was much more comfortable in my place than where she stays, when not with another client.

Tempeocorto is exactly right. This is based on incontrovertible anecdotal evidence. Mine as well as Tempeocorto.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1963818]This is a statement based on pure supposition with little or no basis in fact. On what are your probabilities based? Just as well could be money earned from investing, illegal activity, or a private pension. Disabilities are a big scam? Tell that to individuals injured both physically and mentally while performing duties for their fellow citizens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revere;1963461][URL]http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdict[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.

[URL]http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1964008]Here is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.

[URL]http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.html[/URL][/QUOTE]To fill in the asterisks, you might want to try combining the words 'pot' and 'blogs', but not necessarily in that order.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1961934]Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.[/QUOTE]You never know. Here we have this guy Cubadave who swears under oath that he didn't make a red cent from his Web page, and had no pension or social security, and no kind of savings or assets to pay for a legal defence, and yet he was able to maintain a pad in Key West and make monthly trips overseas and spend a fortune on hookers on the proceeds of working as a part time carpenter's helper. He seems to have been the most frugal unemployed carpenter's assistant since Jesus fed the Five Thousand on three loaves and five fishes.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1963819]I have been watching this particular chica for a few weeks. I"ve seen her walking the beach with her friends. She's stopped by my buddies bar / restaurant on the beach a few times. Finally I see her at Bourbon Street sitting at the next table. Most of the time when I see this chica her eyes are always front, barely makes eye contact. If anything she is probably using her squirrel eyes to see when guys are checking her out, as well as reports from her amigas walking or sitting with her.

Anyway this particular night in Bourbon Street she locked eyes on me, we greeted and the flirt game was on. The whole time she was sitting there, she couldn't stop turning around to look back at my table. A married monger associate of mine ( sitting with me ), I pointed her out to him, because she resembled his dominican wifes, girlfriend. I went out with her a few times, but we dropped off when I left for the states back in Sept. And decided to leave her alone.

A few minutes later, this dude reaches over to her, hands her his phone asking her to put her number in his phone. Then he turns to me, and claims he is getting her number for ME? I'm like WTF are we in high school? WTF you do that for? I didn't want to go off on him, but I didn't like that shit. If you want the number for yourself, then go for it. I have no problem with that. But don't do me any favors. Well it became apparent, that he asked for her number because he suddenly became interested, when I pointed her out to him, and expressed that I had been checking her out..[/QUOTE]Sounds like a keeper, especially if she swallows!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1964008]Here is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.

[URL]http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone who reads that blog needs to do so with a huge grain of salt. The picture of Dave's electronics supposedly "bagged and tagged by the US customs officers?" Yeah, that picture was taken when Dave was arrested in Costa Rica. It's posted on numerous online sites including this one:

[URL]http://todaycostarica.com/american-arrested-in-costa-rica-for-promoting-sex-tourism/[/URL]

The moral of the story is that if you're going to monger, don't try to profit off of it. Dave's conviction and Colombia Jake's arrest are proof of that.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1965107]Anyone who reads that blog needs to do so with a huge grain of salt. The picture of Dave's electronics supposedly "bagged and tagged by the US customs officers?" Yeah, that picture was taken when Dave was arrested in Costa Rica. It's posted on numerous online sites including this one:

[URL]http://todaycostarica.com/american-arrested-in-costa-rica-for-promoting-sex-tourism/[/URL]

The moral of the story is that if you're going to monger, don't try to profit off of it. Dave's conviction and Colombia Jake's arrest are proof of that.[/QUOTE]There are tons of people that profit from the mongering trade. You just have to be underground with it. There mistake is putting themselves out there on the internet. That's a no no.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1964227]You never know. Here we have this guy Cubadave who swears under oath that he didn't make a red cent from his Web page, and had no pension or social security, and no kind of savings or assets to pay for a legal defence, and yet he was able to maintain a pad in Key West and make monthly trips overseas and spend a fortune on hookers on the proceeds of working as a part time carpenter's helper. He seems to have been the most frugal unemployed carpenter's assistant since Jesus fed the Five Thousand on three loaves and five fishes.[/QUOTE]Damn man I was thinking the same thing. Pad in key west carpenter's assistant and multiple trip over seas. I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not. He looks so feeble compared to his YouTube videos.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1965723]I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not.[/QUOTE]I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.

And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.

I don't mean to be rude and switch the topic of Cuba Dave, in fact I felt bad for him and gave a small donation of $75 for his legal proceedings. I think he got hosed. Nonetheless, we just got back from a long 8 night trip in Sosua and wanted to share my experiences. It had been several years since I had been there and reading all the reports about the crackdowns, poor service, we were somewhat concerned about how good it would be there. Nonetheless, we arrived on a Saturday into Puerto Plata airport and took a cab into town for $20 (the standard rate is $25 but we negotiated and someone took our offer). We checked in at Casa Valeria Hotel, and saw the hotel is partially under renovation due to its restaurant being rebuilt. We settled into our rooms, and found that the rooms were very modern, clean, and well laid out. We walked around town, took a stroll through the streets and saw groups of chicas everywhere, and had lunch at Bailey's restaurant. Many of the women will give you a friendly smile, or will show interest indicators to try to get you to talk to them. The women of Sosua certainly are not shy. After taking a light sleep we decided to eat dinner at Schlemmers Stube German restaurant (good little diner off Pedro Clisante with German style dishes-good schnitzel and chicken dishes which are very reasonably priced). We would start evey night at ground zero for the action which is Merengue's Bar and then go up to Clasicos disco later and did this every night other than Tuesday.

Merengue's Bar is located right below Clasico's nighclub and is a very large bar with tv screens playing sports games, and has music. I really think Merengue's is much better than the closed Rumba's sports bar. The action here starts kicking here around 10:30 pm so its best to get here by then. Also, the shortened hours are still in effect and the bars in Sosua all close at 1 am from Sunday to Wedneday, Thursday they close at 2 am, and Friday and Saturday they are closed at 3 am. We were told that the bars in Cabarete stay open til 3 am so I suppose one could head over there to resume the action. Also, the Casino has a small disco that stays open as the after hours on a nightly basis. By 11:30 pm. Many people could be seen going into Clasico's nightclub which is right above Merengue's bar. Clasicos is not a big disco, I would say its smaller in size with a tiny dance floor, about 15 tables, and 2 long bars. It holds about 250 people in there max and can get very crowded on the weekends. The cover charge in Clasico's is $5 dollars USA Or 200 dominican pesos. In Merengues bar, the girls have to know the doorman really well, be friends with the owners, be accompanied by a male guest, in order to enter Merengue's bar. In Clasicos all the girls can get in so long as they pay the cover charge. The talent Friday and Saturday night in Clasicos is better than the other nights as the girls come in from Santiago, Santo Domingo, and local cities for the weekend. Some of the girls are quoting ridiculous prices for long time such as $100 or more, like up to 7 k. As others have said, it seems a lot of these girls live for the moment and don't take if they get repeat business or not. There are some other smaller bars like City Lights and Bar Central which specialize in Haitian girls, but we really did not go into them. Bourbon Street Restaurant has some chicas throughout the day into the early evening, so a couple of times, we would hang out and watch the talent. We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.

On a recommendation from some local expats who live there, we did visit an interesting place in Grand Laguna Sosua called Pica de Flor Bar & Restaurant, which is about 10 minutes or less from out of town (taxi is a must). This place is essentially a large bar and restaurant and as you walk in, there are anywhere from 20 to 40 ladies employed by the house that will literally smile and greet you to jock for their attention. If you see a chica you like, you may sit down with her and talk while you have a drink or bite to eat. There are some high quality girls here, and some average ones. The girls live on the premises, and there are no rooms for you to take the girl for a ride on the premises. The women are here solely to be bar find and you pay the house $100 for up to 4 hours short time or $150 all night long. I know it is a bit high compared what you get on the strip, but you are essentially paying for girls that will deliver the service with no games. Elvis runs the place, nice guy, and he wants to make sure his guests are satisfied so I have been told by the expats that the girls are solid performers. Again, we did not partake, but I came very close to taking a nice hot blondie with big rack from Santiago. Next time, I would go back. The best hours to find talent are from about 3pm to 7 pm I would say.

As far as the crackdown is concerned, I did not see choices being rounded up and going to jail, nothing like it. However, there are police that cruise the main streets and make sure girls are not just standing around and soliciting. So, the girls walk briskly and go into the bars or restaurants when the cops are present. All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1965984]We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.

All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.

From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.

The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.

Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.

You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).

My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?

It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.

I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:

1. Found a Ho.

2. Fucked a Ho.

3. Paid a Ho.

I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1966067]It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.

I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:

1. Found a Ho.

2. Fucked a Ho.

3. Paid a Ho.

I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.[/QUOTE]LOL. Don't sweat the small stuff!

Save the strategy, analysis, scheming and plotting for the free stuff!

Hiring a hooker is not that complicated for most!.

Like buying a meal! What do you feel like today? Here's a menu!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1966057]Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.

From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.

The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.

Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.

You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).

My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?[/QUOTE]Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.

You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.

Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1965778]I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.

And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.[/QUOTE]Yes Quagmire, I loved watching Locked Up and actually had it on my TIVO recorded so I would come home and watch any new episodes or reruns I had not seen. Many of these victims all had the commonality though of becoming mules and trying to push drugs through airports on their way home. I mean, really, if you are going to be that dumb and take the risk, you deserve to do the time. I felt bad though for the one dude who got busted in Saudi Arabia for having a party in his house with alcohol. He was locked up for a while too. Stay far away from that country, its over the top strict and restricts basic rights we have like drinking alcohol.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1966196]Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.

You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.

Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?[/QUOTE]Thats a great review you gave of Shermans spot The Tree House and staff. I will be sure to pass that on to him today. I will be there later after I make my gym run. FTR (for the record) Sherman is from NYC, never lived anywhere else.

One last note on the chica pricing / expectations. You guys probably noticed this. If you ask a chica her price it's very likely a guy will get those ridiculous prices we talked about. But if you give her your price instead of asking for hers, taking into consideration, time of day / night, where the offer is made, and the style of chica you are dealing with, a guy just might get a price (ST or TLN) he can live with.

For instance, the last chica I gave a report about. She stayed again last night. But before I got her to commit, I texted her that I will give her 2700 for TLN. She agreed and it was on. If I would have asked her what her price was last night, she might have told me 3000 to 3500. Many chicas will work with you. But if you let them give you a price 1st, they might go higher and a guy may be more reluctant to negotiate down.

I've done that with other chicas. Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.

I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. It may come off cheaper for a monger to negotiate up 500 + pesos from his price ( to meet her agreement ) , than negotiating one to three thousand pesos down from her price.

Try not asking them their price 1st, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1966436] Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.

I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. Try not asking them their price, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.[/QUOTE]Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.

The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966440]Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.

The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.[/QUOTE]That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.

I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.

So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.

Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1966470]That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.

I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.

So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.

Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.[/QUOTE]Great post Wrx, you a certainly a man of wisdom and are very practical and realistic. I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying. This girl is a Clasicos girl who is higher end with the long hair, big rack, good looks, etc. So she regularly gets her rate and has no trouble finding guys who will pay her price.

I get Frannie's point that if you are a local, of course you will have access to a book of phone numbers, the time to do this, and can find decent regulars who will short time you before the discos open or in the day. But, this is mongering website so must of us travel to different destinations. But, I am a nightime warrior who is on vacation for a short time, really want to work the girls in Merengues or Clasicos, and here it is very hard to get the BETTER LOOKING girls TLN for less than 4. 5 to 6 k or less than 2 k short time. In addition, many of the chicas will be reluctant to give you good service if they know they got beatup for a big discount. Lastly, some of the girls had no issue leaving with no guys if they didn't get their price and would dsimply come back another night. I also noticed that many of the top girls really are not out in the day at the beach or in town walking around, many of these girls wait until the night to go out and therefore, must get their price as they have a shorter window to work with. Mongering is certainly more complex than we realize and is a learning process. At the end of the day, if a girl is stuck on her price and won't budge much, there is not much you can do other than move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1966499]I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying.[/QUOTE]You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.

[QUOTE=Revere;1963461][URL]http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdict[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn, sorry to hear that about Cuba Dave. I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. He just seemed overly-passionate about wanting to help others get out of sex-prison and travel to meet women who would not look at you twice in your home country.

Completely different from someone like Colombian Jake who was actually setting guys up with dates, providing lodging, and acting as the middle man on the transactions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1966515]You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The only thing you accomplish by giving her more is her thinking you're an idiot and a better target for a scam.

A couple weeks ago a couple of friends of mine came to visit me here in Sosua. One of the guys likes to play a high roller and stays in contact with Peter and Marriella formerly owners of Passions so he insisted on going to Blue Ice Piano Bar their new place. I ended up getting the phone number to one of the "waitresses" and we talked on Whatsapp for a few days and ended up hooking up at my apartment for a nice session and based on that session ended up taking her on a pre planned road trip for two days and nights. In between the session at my apartment and the road trip she quit working at Blue Ice and moved back to Santo Domingo. Due to roads being closed because of the damage from all the rain it took 7 hours on the bus to get to Sosua. Anyway, she has the body of a goddess and a matching personality, GFE plus plus plus in every way. 3500 pesos per 24 hours for the best sex of my life and I've been with my share of chicas. FYI, hooking up with girls working there is a bit difficult unless you are a late night person, the girls can't leave until their shift is over so best to get digits, they work 6 days a week too. Also, Peter says he has been given permission by the powers that be in SantoDomingo to reopen Passions, this is right from the horse's mouth, we'll see.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1966515]You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.[/QUOTE]All day it matters. Some of you turn a simple purchase of couchie into a life and death struggle. How the negotiation is handled matters. You don't want to leave her feeling cheapened.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1965778]I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.

And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.[/QUOTE]He's going to serve every day of his sentence and more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1966515]You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1966533]Agreed. The only thing you accomplish by giving her more is her thinking you're an idiot and a better target for a scam.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen, I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that there isn't a correlation between the price a chica gets and the performance she provides. I am definitely in accord with anybody about paying a chica more money is not necessarily going to get you a better performance. But I do believe a chica getting less money than she thinks the job is worth (or what she is used to getting) may very well take the initiative and adjust her services accordingly.

It could be a number of things she can do. Claim she has to leave early. Claim she can't suck his dick because she has dental work or la gripe. Won't suck his dick. Or only with a condom. Frustrate a guy by not letting him hit it. Complaining that he's too big. Or acting like she came already, and can't take anymore. If it's TLN, do what ever it takes to not give the guy their agreed upon 2nd session in the morning. Claiming their head, pussy or stomach hurts. Just lay there like a starfish. So many things a chica can do to adjust her services.

Now I'm not saying this can't happen even if the chica is getting her high ass price. I'm just saying these are some of the things chicas can do because they think they can, and it's at their disposal if they choose to exercise it if they arent really satisfied with the price they settled for, or have a problem with their client. A chica can agree to a lower price. But that does not mean she doesn't have the means or the inclination not to adjust her services or performance accordingly.

It should be common knowledge that enough chicas sometimes bust out claiming they deserve more money after a session, because the guy exceeded their expectations. Or he was fucking her every way from Sunday. Or perhaps because he was using viagra or some other sexual supplement, and took forever to come or never came. Some chicas act like they are owed more money. A clear sign that their perception of performing extra service "can be" (not will be) connected to how much they think they should get paid.

At the very least. If we don't pay a chica any money, what can happen? No sex takes place. When you pay, you open the door for a chica to provide services. What she performs of course depends upon the chica. So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1966531]Damn, sorry to hear that about Cuba Dave. I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. He just seemed overly-passionate about wanting to help others get out of sex-prison and travel to meet women who would not look at you twice in your home country.

Completely different from someone like Colombian Jake who was actually setting guys up with dates, providing lodging, and acting as the middle man on the transactions.[/QUOTE] [i] So how is Strecker making his living these days? "I don't have to work," he says with a smile. "I make money just by being me. " [/i]

Quote from Miami New Times article 2014. So what exactly do you think he meant by this? And how was he able to afford make monthly trips to Sosua while Passion's and CMP clubs, the only places in Sosua that were brothels with on-site sex, were open and promoted like crazy by CD, but as soon as they were closed he started to bad mouth Sosua and the DR, and yet when he was arrested in Costa Rica his partners claimed on his Web site that he was basically indigent with no source of income? And why did he start traveling to Costa Rica and promoting 'chica-friendly' hotels as soon as he was banned from the DR, even though any number of people had warned him that he was skating on thin ice and widely perceived as a person non grata? I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1966499]
I get Frannie's point that if you are a local, of course you will have access to a book of phone numbers, the time to do this, and can find decent regulars who will short time you before the discos open or in the day. But, this is mongering website so must of us travel to different destinations .[/QUOTE]No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.

One of my buddies on vacation in Sosua just met a nice chica out of Blue ICE piano bar this past week. She supposedly lives in Puerto Plata. His 1st session with her was off the chain, according to him.

When I was there (Blue ICE) with him, the girls are all wearing the same outfits. Their job is to mingle with the guests that come in, enticing them to buy drinks. Sometimes they are just sitting, or at times, dancing among themselves or the guests. For the most part they are not overly aggressive or pushy trying to get patrons to buy them drinks, but they do hang around long enough acting like they are interested in the patrons. And that sometimes prompts guys to offer the girls drinks, which drums up business for the bar.

My buddy shared a couple of things about his girl that works there. She gave him the "I am not a puta" line. So when it came to him figuring out what and how he was going to compensate her for her time, he decided to improvise. Enough guys know that line all too well. These women usually want the money and they usually do not have a problem accepting money. They just do not want to be perceived as one of those "cheap hoes" in the street.

He decided that at some point he would give her 2000 pesos, for her son the afternoon she was to come over his place before work. Prior to that though, that afternoon she claimed she had to come by taxi from Puerto Plata to Sosua and according to her it cost 350 pesos. When he told me about it, I said that is ridiculous. Most dominicans aint paying no price like that just to come in a taxi. A typical ride on the publico is about 50 pesos. I said besides, she has to go to work at 5. How was she going to get to work in Sosua then? And if she is paying 350 pesos every time she comes to Sosua, the job may not be worth it. The session that afternoon, came and went.

Last night he said he was supposed to see her again. This time she is complaining to him that she gets off at 3 am, but if she stays with him, she may have a problem with the babysitter (whoever the fuck that is) for the time overnight. I'm thinking, I know what is coming next. Since she is "no puta", my buddy decides he will claim the money he gives her is for her babysitter. He asks out of curiosity how much is her babysitter?

She texts back,1500 pesos. We both said "HUH?" What babysitter in PP where she is, is getting paid 1500 pesos from 3 am until she gets home? And what was she originally paying? Because if she was already paying at least 1000 pesos every night until she got home, how the hell can she justify working at Blue ICE? 1st off, the babysitter is probably a close friend or family member. And it's not likely a chica is giving either of them more than a few hundred pesos (if anything) a day. So this sweet "non puta" has some slick ways of getting paid on the sly tip.

I'd assume last nights session went well. I wonder if they talked any more about the babysitting thing? Your turn now Mr Frannie. I know you love these kinds of topics where you chime in on the expense of providing for dominican children, and all of the scenarios and possibilities of why the chica claims her babysitting costs 1500. Break it down for us, <smiling .

Just spoke to my buddy about his Blue Ice chica. He said she got off at 3 am, texted him claiming she was hungry and was going to get something to eat. Didn't get to his place until 4 ish. Then eventually got to his place. At 7 am she was ready to go. Surprised him, cause even though she claims to have a child, he still thought that she might stay a little longer. Ironically, the 1st session he had earlier in the week, she claimed she had to be at work at 5 pm. She got there close to 4 pm (was supposed to be there at 3) , and left about 530 pm. Supposedly late for work.

Much of the details with this chick screams red flags.

1) Claiming not to be a puta. But still using puta tactics to get paid.

2) Coming up with high prices for taxi and babysitting, not common to what locals may generally pay.

3) Her alleged claim of hunger after work is suspect. Them chicas usually eat pretty good. She could have checked to see what he had in his place, or she could have bought the food and ate it at his place.

4) Definitely showing signs of being what I call a "circuit puta" These are the types of chicas who work in a place where mongers hangout, looking for girls. The girls in those establishment make arrangements to be with guys they choose that expresses interest in getting with them. And that is how they supplement their income. The bar / restaurant is just a front for them. None of this is new information. Many establishments have this going on. Rumba was one of the most common places.

So these chicas sometimes are juggling several men during the course of a day or night. And that's why they may not be able to stay very long, so they can get to the next client. Or they are sometimes late because they are just leaving a client onto the next. They can have all sorts of excuses or reasons of why this is that and that is this. But it's usually all fallacies to keep the guys in the dark of what is really going on.

Inside the bar / venue is where they secure clients, and how they manage those clients depends on them. When chicas quit it isn't always because the bar / venue isn't paying enough. They may quit because they arent getting enough clients from their front. Or they have got enough clients from their front. Can't rule out some guy falling in love / like and wifing a chica up either.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1966560]

She texts back,1500 pesos. We both said "HUH?" What babysitter in PP where she is, is getting paid 1500 pesos from 3 am until she gets home? And what was she originally paying? Because if she was already paying at least 1000 pesos every night until she got home, how the hell can she justify working at Blue ICE? 1st off, the babysitter is probably a close friend or family member. And it's not likely a chica is giving either of them more than a few hundred pesos (if anything) a day. So this sweet "non puta" has some slick ways of getting paid on the sly tip.

I'd assume last nights session went well. I wonder if they talked any more about the babysitting thing? Your turn now Mr Frannie. I know you love these kinds of topics where you chime in on the expense of providing for dominican children, and all of the scenarios and possibilities of why the chica claims her babysitting costs 1500. Break it down for us, <smiling .[/QUOTE]No, you are right, the taxi is not 350 pesos and the baby sitter is not 1500 pesos, but she is in this relationship for gain, not for love. Hillary Clinton was not paid $250,000 by Goldman Sachs in exchange for favorable treatment during her expected presidency, it was just paying her a speaker's fee for sharing her valuable knowledge. This girl obviously needs financial help, but would quite probably settle for a relationship if there was something like a visa at the end of the rainbow. The girls who are of novia quality are less likely to settle for hard-core whoring if they think they still have relationship possibilities. After all, a hell of a lot of girls DO make it to Europe, Canada, and the US, so it is not impossible.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966575]No, you are right, the taxi is not 350 pesos and the baby sitter is not 1500 pesos, but she is in this relationship for gain, not for love. This girl obviously needs financial help, but would quite probably settle for a relationship if there was something like a visa at the end of the rainbow. The girls who are of novia quality are less likely to settle for hard-core whoring if they think they still have relationship possibilities. After all, a hell of a lot of girls DO make it to Europe, Canada, and the US, so it is not impossible.[/QUOTE]Hardly a relationship Frannie, more like it's just another job they have, cloaked to appear like they have personal interest in the admirer.

You may be correct that she needs financial help. I wouldn't automatically assume that though. From looking at her, I believe she is getting paid from other sources elsewhere. At the very least probably has a boyfriend or husband in the DR or abroad. So, I'm not so quick to assume they aren't already getting financial help to take care of their needs.

Take enough putas out in the street, many of these women are seen actively working / whoring, but already have money coming in left and right from multiple WU novios. They arent doing it ( out on the street ) because they are hurting for money. The money on the street, is easy money to be made. Same can go for a chica working in a bar / restaurant. She will always say she is single and has no boyfriend or anybody remotely interested in them. But enough of them are lying.

The suitors they have on the hook, reduce her concern when most of the bills are paid, and they may have enough to have a bank account. You are correct a lot of these girls may be interested in a visa so they can make it to Eurpoe, Canada, and the US. However a lot of these women do so and end up coming right back after a brief time away. Those chicas were probably not happy away from the DR. Worse case scenario is getting with a gringo just to fleece him legally.

Many others have zero interest in leaving the DR, they really only want our money / resources, their Dominican men for fathering their children, and the FAMILY for their base support. Besides, if a woman does have more than one WU novio all sending their money, it may not be necessary for her to choose only one to leave her country for. Why not keep them all, and collect from all, without ever stepping foot out of the country? If one WU novio drops off, just secure another one.

A lot of guys fall in like very easily with women working in bars / venues. Feel the need to become RESCUE RANGERS to some chica "obviously" in need of financial help. Some guys fair well with chicas that work in bars / venues. Meaning it works out great for both. Mutually satisfying. Others get the runaround.

My buddy may very well find himself being the recipient of RFM requests from this chica after he is back in the states. Meanwhile she is going to score more clients while playing the innocent role with my buddy on whatsapp, "papi mi don't like Sosua" "Mi no get enough dinero from bar" "Papi, I'm going to quit if I do not find another job soon".

True or not, she is likely going to expect him to send $help even if she never asks for it. Just like she hinted about the taxi she needed, and the cost of her babysitting. Many of these women are just as slick as any puta out on the street. In fact, probably they are one and the same, just each working from different perches.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966556]No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.[/QUOTE]Frannie, "playing along with the illusion" that you described doesn't mean a guy is automatically going to pay more. If he's playing along with the illusion as you say, that indicates to me he may be aware that both parties are just playing a role, and using it to form or maintain a vibe. When it's time to negotiate, how much illusion/vibe is left between them depends on how things go. I've had chicas that quickly agreed to a price, acting like price was not an issue, and we never broke stride from our vibe. Ended up fucking like rabbits. Paid em, and all was well.

When a guy is not playing along, and doesn't see it as an illusion, is serious and thinks the woman is serious about him, then I can go along with your premise of a guy potentially paying more.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966556]No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.[/QUOTE]Enough mongers will pay some chicas too much and sometimes mongers could get better service from enough chicas, but some mongers, not all, but enough, might pay less and get the same service!

IOW, YMMV.

Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1966817]Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a certain city called Flint, in the richest country of the world.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1966817]Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.[/QUOTE]I like the reference to Aleppo, hahaha!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966551][i] So how is Strecker making his living these days? "I don't have to work," he says with a smile. "I make money just by being me. " [/i]

Quote from Miami New Times article 2014. So what exactly do you think he meant by this? And how was he able to afford make monthly trips to Sosua while Passion's and CMP clubs, the only places in Sosua that were brothels with on-site sex, were open and promoted like crazy by CD, but as soon as they were closed he started to bad mouth Sosua and the DR, and yet when he was arrested in Costa Rica his partners claimed on his Web site that he was basically indigent with no source of income? And why did he start traveling to Costa Rica and promoting 'chica-friendly' hotels as soon as he was banned from the DR, even though any number of people had warned him that he was skating on thin ice and widely perceived as a person non grata? [b]I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.[/b][/QUOTE]I was speaking in terms of he was not engaged in pimping activities like Colombian Jake and David_33 of Peru fame. Promoting establishments that are already in play such as the ones you mentioned wouldn't be considered pimping. I have no knowledge if he got a kickback from promoting any of them or not.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1967219]I was speaking in terms of he was not engaged in pimping activities like Colombian Jake and David_33 of Peru fame. Promoting establishments that are already in play such as the ones you mentioned wouldn't be considered pimping. I have no knowledge if he got a kickback from promoting any of them or not.[/QUOTE]Here is what you said:

[QUOTE]I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1967242]Here is what you said:[/QUOTE]You didn't provide any concrete evidence that he was in fact getting kickbacks from those places other than quotes from articles written by journalist who can twist your words to fit their narrative as they see fit. So the original statement I made still stands.

Here's what YOU said:

[QUOTE=Frannie;1966551]I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]=Wrx2005;1966542.......At the very least. If we don't pay a chica any money, what can happen? No sex takes place. When you pay, you open the door for a chica to provide services. What she performs of course depends upon the chica. So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to.[/QUOTE]I agree. Overpaying and underpaying are bad.

[QUOTE] So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to. [/QUOTE]I would not even go so far as to talk in terms of an "adjustment" of services. She might just be sulking. Chicas are human beings and even though they are exchanging sex for money, if they like the guy and it has more of the feeling of being on a date, then probably both sides of the contract will enjoy the experience more. If it is just a "job", then it is less likely to be highly pleasurable on either side.

Hello Gentlemen,

I'm in need of some intel. There is this thin cute chica that works at Rockys. Her name is Ruth. Does anyone know if she is P4P? One local said she couldn't be seen with a gringo or she would be fired. Any info would help thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1966683]Many of these women are just as slick as any puta out on the street. In fact, probably they are one and the same, just each working from different perches.[/QUOTE]Are you saying all women in the DR are Putas? If they are (yes there is that IF statement again) then it follows that all men in the DR (living or visiting) are tricks.

I like to keep things simple and uncomplicated (since I'm that type of person). A little street knowledge might apply here: JT Money's rap Ho Problems might be applicable.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1967617]I would not even go so far as to talk in terms of an "adjustment" of services. She might just be sulking. Chicas are human beings and even though they are exchanging sex for money, if they like the guy and it has more of the feeling of being on a date, then probably both sides of the contract will enjoy the experience more. If it is just a "job", then it is less likely to be highly pleasurable on either side.[/QUOTE]Mr. Frannie,

You are dead on point with this statement. When people spend too much time up in their head and too little time remembering that we are dealing with biological creatures being driven by survival (and when that point is reached additional personal gains or desires) that are often more emotional than rational then you see the biases that emerge.

When money enters the picture as the primary motivation then you have a straight business transaction. But buying sex is not like you are walking into La Sierna where the prices are marked the items you are purchasing are fairly known with the method, means and value of the exchange well documented. If you wish a specific set of services why not just state that up front. Have a contract ready to check off the boxes. Both sign and head off to the room. This is completely possible because prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. There is no need to be bashful about asking for exactly what you want each time every time. Move away from that bright line definition and things become murky very quickly. That's actually where playing along with the deception or illusion actually reveals itself. The entire idea that what's going on is anything but what is actually going on. As an example: that GFE is really GFE when it's really just a act. Or when a man convinces himself that the hot 20 something riding his dick is doing it for any other reason that the payoff she will receive (in whatever form he provides it).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1966714]Enough mongers will pay some chicas too much and sometimes mongers could get better service from enough chicas, but some mongers, not all, but enough, might pay less and get the same service! :)[/QUOTE]Damn straight Mr. Oakie, but of course that would require the mongers who currently cannot / don't receive the services they want to quit complaining about how a particular ho runs her operation and instead look for those that run things they way they like, stop treating the ho's as if they are nothing more than cum depositories without their own set of human concerns, desires and needs, and acknowledging that ho running is not an intellectual pursuit but one that involves face to face interaction with other human beings. It's a service, much like getting your oil changed except you are getting balls drained, ass licked or whatever else smokes your shorts. You don't have to have a beer with your mechanic in order to receive good service. You only need to interact within the socially accepted norms required to do business. Just saying, LOL!

Hi guys,

I've just registered but been following the thread for several months. I finally made up my mind to go to Sosua at the beginning of next year and need some advice. I'm hesitating whether to buy the whole trip at a travel agency or only buy an air ticket and go on my own. The former might be more convenient, but I know that many hotels cooperating with travel agencies are not chica friendly, which would mean having to use short-time rooms (maybe not the most convenient option, but probably the safest). The truth is that I like immersing into local cultures, practicing languages (for example Spanish when in Spain), etc. , and therefore maybe I'll decide for the latter. I visited one agency in the vicinity of where I live and they offer a 2-week stay at Casa Marina Reef Hotel at a reasonable price. Seems to be well located, but I looked fore some information on the web and there was someone saying that chicas are not welcome there. Can you recommend any places to stay which are joiner friendly? Do they charge a kind of joiner fee as in some places in Thailand? Which option do you think is better if I don't insist on spending the whole night with a chica (surely not every night. When in Pattaya, I do it rather seldom, only if I manage to find a girl that I really like). Is it difficult to find a room within walking distance from Pedro Clisante for a couple of days without having made a reservation if I, for instance, book a hotel room only for the first 2 or 3 days and then look for another one simply walking in? One more question: do you think that bringing euros to DR is a much worse option than bringing US dollars?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Greetings from Warsaw.

Cocodrilito.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1968090]If you wish a specific set of services why not just state that up front. Have a contract ready to check off the boxes. Both sign and head off to the room. This is completely possible because prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. There is no need to be bashful about asking for exactly what you want each time every time.[/QUOTE]This is pretty good advice.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1968328]Hi guys,

I've just registered but been following the thread for several months. I finally made up my mind to go to Sosua at the beginning of next year and need some advice. I'm hesitating whether to buy the whole trip at a travel agency or only buy an air ticket and go on my own. The former might be more convenient, but I know that many hotels cooperating with travel agencies are not chica friendly, which would mean having to use short-time rooms (maybe not the most convenient option, but probably the safest). The truth is that I like immersing into local cultures, practicing languages (for example Spanish when in Spain), etc. , and therefore maybe I'll decide for the latter. I visited one agency in the vicinity of where I live and they offer a 2-week stay at Casa Marina Reef Hotel at a reasonable price. Seems to be well located, but I looked fore some information on the web and there was someone saying that chicas are not welcome there. Can you recommend any places to stay which are joiner friendly? Do they charge a kind of joiner fee as in some places in Thailand? Which option do you think is better if I don't insist on spending the whole night with a chica (surely not every night. When in Pattaya, I do it rather seldom, only if I manage to find a girl that I really like). Is it difficult to find a room within walking distance from Pedro Clisante for a couple of days without having made a reservation if I, for instance, book a hotel room only for the first 2 or 3 days and then look for another one simply walking in? One more question: do you think that bringing euros to DR is a much worse option than bringing US dollars?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Greetings from Warsaw.

Cocodrilito.[/QUOTE]Yes, you can just get a plane ticket and find a room when you arrive. Casa Marina is OK, or I should say it was OK when I stayed there a few years ago, and has nice ocean views, hot tub, unlimited free drinks, decent food, OK rooms, but you cannot bring prostitutes or male friends to your room there.

There are plenty of small hotels that specialize in providing accommodations for the male single traveler. You will find a room easily enough, unless it is Superbowl weekend, when, for some reason, Sosua seems to fill up. Easter week may also be busy.

Either Euros or US dollars will serve. You may be able to pay for a hotel room with US dollars, but will need to change money to Dominican pesos for all other transactions. You can change money at the going rate, but avoid the Cambio INSIDE the airport at Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, as you will pay something like $20% surcharge on the exchange. Western Union in Sosua gives a decent rate, but there are other small money changers that may give you a fractionally better rate. It is a good idea to also have an Automatic Teller Machine card to withdraw cash. Some charges apply to ATM machine usage, but it is a useful convenience.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1968184]Damn straight Mr. Oakie, but of course that would require the mongers who currently cannot / don't receive the services they want to quit complaining about how a particular ho runs her operation and instead look for those that run things they way they like, stop treating the ho's as if they are nothing more than cum depositories without their own set of human concerns, desires and needs, and acknowledging that ho running is not an intellectual pursuit but one that involves face to face interaction with other human beings. It's a service, much like getting your oil changed except you are getting balls drained, ass licked or whatever else smokes your shorts. You don't have to have a beer with your mechanic in order to receive good service. You only need to interact within the socially accepted norms required to do business. Just saying, LOL![/QUOTE]Finally a little common sense around here. I thought all the smart ones had left.

I was just having fun with the contorted reasoning I see here.

Buying sex is so easy in Sosua. Beautiful chicas never quit smiling at you, it's legal, safe, and there's always a room handy.

Steak is cheap and costs more than hamburger, but there's no need to psychoanalyze the cow.

Overthinking and analyzing a simple fuck can make your dick shrink!

And always remember, we are not all Brad Pitt or Will Smith, so your mileage WILL vary!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1968543]Buying sex is so easy in Sosua. Beautiful chicas never quit smiling at you, it's legal, safe, and there's always a room handy.[/QUOTE]No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1968562]No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.[/QUOTE]I agree sometimes it's like playing craps, but I prefer the old school method which is. I normally stay a minimum of a moth when I visit, so I have a chance to do proper recon on my selections. For each new chica, I watch how the why carry themselves, who the hang around, and who they go, with from the club. I also ask if I know a friend or acquaintance who has "hit"; and I ask about their expierence. Still nothing is guaranteed or 100%, and YMMV, but over the years I have avoided many bad expierences by just being patient and not so "thrusty". Many times it has taken me a year or more to get that one I had been eying, but taking my time has rarely failed me. Peace.

[QUOTE=Klove48;1968639]I agree sometimes it's like playing craps, but I prefer the old school method which is. I normally stay a minimum of a moth when I visit, so I have a chance to do proper recon on my selections. For each new chica, I watch how the why carry themselves, who the hang around, and who they go, with from the club. I also ask if I know a friend or acquaintance who has "hit"; and I ask about their expierence. Still nothing is guaranteed or 100%, and YMMV, but over the years I have avoided many bad expierences by just being patient and not so "thrusty". Many times it has taken me a year or more to get that one I had been eying, but taking my time has rarely failed me. Peace.[/QUOTE]Most folks don't put that much effort in finding a wife, never mind a 20 minute hooker.

But, it's all good!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1968746]Most folks don't put that much effort in finding a wife, never mind a 20 minute hooker. .

But, it's all good![/QUOTE]Oakie, your absolutely correct, but I be been coming to Sosua so long that I always have at least 4 or 5 chicas that I have primed up from a prior trip, that I ran out of time or couldn't hook-up with, and not counting the old reliables. I believe in gaining some sort of relationship with the chicas by flirting or just being nice. I'm not one to wine & dine these chics nor am I a WU sucker; but common courtesy goes a long way. Of course I've had my share of "bad" expierences like all of us, but for my last 5 or 6 years of visiting "Man Disneyland", I can count the negative ones on one hand. I not enamored with the number of beautiful women like I was years ago when I first started visiting Sosua; so my neck isn't on a swivel like it use to be so I don't have to "Ra*e & pillage" but believe me, I get to enjoy the spoils. If you want to know how much "game or swag" for lack, of better words, come to Sosua and see how you can make out without alll the drama. Peace.

[QUOTE=Klove48;1968768]Oakie, your absolutely correct, but I be been coming to Sosua so long that I always have at least 4 or 5 chicas that I have primed up from a prior trip, that I ran out of time or couldn't hook-up with, and not counting the old reliables. I believe in gaining some sort of relationship with the chicas by flirting or just being nice. I'm not one to wine & dine these chics nor am I a WU sucker; but common courtesy goes a long way. Of course I've had my share of "bad" expierences like all of us, but for my last 5 or 6 years of visiting "Man Disneyland", I can count the negative ones on one hand. I not enamored with the number of beautiful women like I was years ago when I first started visiting Sosua; so my neck isn't on a swivel like it use to be so I don't have to "Ra*e & pillage" but believe me, I get to enjoy the spoils. If you want to know how much "game or swag" for lack, of better words, come to Sosua and see how you can make out without alll the drama. Peace.[/QUOTE]I was being sarcastic to a fellow poster, so I apologize for my bad manners. Thanks for sharing.

Matter of fact, like you I'm down there often and like you I'm organized.

I have my fun down there already lined up before I leave and I'm never disappointed. I do leave a couple days free to "explore" and "experiment" though, so there always something new.

In all the years I never had bad sex, just one who wouldn't leave without a propina, and one who left early and I didn't have the dinero to pay her. Both were great lays though.

For me it's all about connections. Keeps me away from the hard core stuff that people complain about.

I love your "No Drama" bit!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1968562]No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.[/QUOTE]It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.

But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.

We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1968996]It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.

But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.

We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free? :)[/QUOTE]Mr E. Meant to say that once he gets to the room, he has to remind the women that he only agreed to one pop, otherwise they would be riding him all night and deep into the next day.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1968087]Are you saying all women in the DR are Putas? If they are (yes there is that IF statement again) then it follows that all men in the DR (living or visiting) are tricks.

I like to keep things simple and uncomplicated (since I'm that type of person). A little street knowledge might apply here: JT Money's rap Ho Problems might be applicable.[/QUOTE]Depends. You may be thinking in your own head that I said all women in the DR are putas? When that happens, I have no control over what certain individuals interpret or how they process information. As always, I only think in one head. So unless I specifically said ALL DR women this or that, your question is moot.

Oh and BTW, did you make allowances in your head in case you were NOT thinking I said ALL DR women are putas? Or are you mainly stuck with only one objective in YOUR thoughts?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1969039]Mr E. Meant to say that once he gets to the room, he has to remind the women that he only agreed to one pop, otherwise they would be riding him all night and deep into the next day.[/QUOTE]I remember another old adversary, Wrexxy, regailing us with tales of how he took all his putas to multi orgasm heaven, and shook their very world.

Maybe that's why he, like Mr E. Is pissed with Sosua.

They believe it is THEY who should get paid.

There's nothing quite like a guy who believes he is Casanova in a brothel!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1968996]It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.

But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.

We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free? :)[/QUOTE]Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969085]Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.[/QUOTE]Well said, Mr. E, well said! Love ya!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1969045]As always, I only think in one head.[/QUOTE]I'll take your word for it and not ask you to prove your statement. Simply because you made it with absolute conviction. But since you did not state which head you think in you really haven't provided me with any useful information.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1969046]I remember another old adversary, Wrexxy, regailing us with tales of how he took all his putas to multi orgasm heaven, and shook their very world. Maybe that's why he, like Mr E. Is pissed with Sosua. They believe it is THEY who should get paid. There's nothing quite like a guy who believes he is Casanova in a brothel! :)[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969085]Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anything where Mr. Oakie indicated that ANYONE should be ashamed of who they fuck or how they get them to fuck them. But the point I see from Mr. Oakie's comments (and they are similar to my own) is that paying for pussy is not that complicated. And Mr. Oakie experiences seem similar to mine in that we both haven't any BAD sexual experiences in Sosua. Just saying! Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!

Does anybody have any information on where the Ho's at and how much they cost? Mr. Oakie can you hook a brother up? LOL!

If anyone feels I need to RTFF then answer the following question for me: If everything that one needs to know to buy pussy effectively in Sosua has already been written in this forum then why does anyone waste their time writing trip reports in the first place?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969133]Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know![/QUOTE]When was the last time you checked? I have been on here for over 10 years and the words of the forum's owner have always been as follows:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969191]When was the last time you checked?[/QUOTE]Answer: When I just logged in and saw this particular thread was named: Sosua Reports! Question for you: Do you have information to exchange with us about having sex with women in Sosua ?

I'm certain that you do since you have been here for 10 years. Your exact words were "since when did free pussy become the exception"? Excellent question. Care to offer any insights into free pussy in Sosua. I'd like to know any tips you have to lower my expenses by possibly receiving free sexual services on my next trip there (as opposed to cutting back on other expenses such as cost of hotel, food and entertainment). Of course that leads me to an entirely different set of questions. Is fucking entertainment or work (especially if it's free pussy)?

Stories of conquests without insight into how things were accomplished do not constitute sharing of information in my opinion (humility is overrated). Thank you in advance. ROTFLMFAO!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969221]Answer: When I just logged in and saw this particular thread was named: Sosua Reports! Question for you: Do you have information to exchange with us about having sex with women in Sosua ?

I'm certain that you do since you have been here for 10 years. Your exact words were "since when did free pussy become the exception"? Excellent question. Care to offer any insights into free pussy in Sosua. I'd like to know any tips you have to lower my expenses by possibly receiving free sexual services on my next trip there (as opposed to cutting back on other expenses such as cost of hotel, food and entertainment). Of course that leads me to an entirely different set of questions. Is fucking entertainment or work (especially if it's free pussy)?

Stories of conquests without insight into how things were accomplished do not constitute sharing of information in my opinion (humility is overrated). Thank you in advance. ROTFLMFAO![/QUOTE]In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1969275]In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.[/QUOTE]You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out? I guess everything ain't for everybody.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1969275]In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969315]You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out?[/QUOTE]I don't see the part in Member #2041 post where he says that he has had bad experiences. A careful review of his post indicates that he has had different experiences with "free pussy" than yours.

A review of opinions given by several posters indicate the rate of pay (or lack thereof) does not affect the quality of services. The most expensive car I ever owned was a Mercedes E Class. It was the most expensive for me to purchase, maintain, operate and repair. But it was like driving around in my living room, with incredible handling, silky smooth ride while surrounded with the protection of a tank. So, it was also the best car I ever owned. The fact that it was also the most expensive didn't make it a bad experience, only a different one.

Different is not necessarily bad.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969133]I didn't see anything where Mr. Oakie indicated that ANYONE should be ashamed of who they fuck or how they get them to fuck them. But the point I see from Mr. Oakie's comments (and they are similar to my own) is that paying for pussy is not that complicated. And Mr. Oakie experiences seem similar to mine in that we both haven't any BAD sexual experiences in Sosua. Just saying! Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!

Does anybody have any information on where the Ho's at and how much they cost? Mr. Oakie can you hook a brother up? LOL!

If anyone feels I need to RTFF then answer the following question for me: If everything that one needs to know to buy pussy effectively in Sosua has already been written in this forum then why does anyone waste their time writing trip reports in the first place?[/QUOTE]LOL!

We are talking Sosua, an outdoor market, but a trading post nevertheless just like Walmart.

The odds of getting a free TV from Walmart is so low, there's would be no point in having a forum dedicated to getting free stuff.

But I'll be back there in December and if anybody could tell me how to get those 4 or 5 beautiful young chicas I'll be fucking down there for free, I'll give it a shot!

I'll even buy the beer!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969357]I don't see the part in Member #2041 post where he says that he has had bad experiences. A careful review of his post indicates that he has had different experiences with "free pussy" than yours.[/QUOTE]However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969315]You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out? I guess everything ain't for everybody.[/QUOTE]Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.

I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1969554]Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.

I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree.

I have 3 or 4 attractive women at home in my life who are interested in some kind of relationship. These are women I've encouraged. But if they come over for the day, night or weekend, I'm always happy when they're gone so I can get back to my own selfish lifestyle, which I feel I have earned by working hard and raising a family. When they call or text, I'm flattered but sometimes just don't want to answer the phone.

It's an age thing for me. These women need and deserve more from me than I am willing to give.

It's Saturday morning now and I have 3 calls to return. That's work for me. I don't like to work to a calendar on my weekends. I have enough commitments to existing family anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969443]However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".[/QUOTE]But you are making an assumption that everyone ("any reasonable mind") would make the same deduction as you did. I didn't make that deduction. Do I have a reasonable mind? Or is your statement incorrect? (I'll leave that as a exercise for the reader but feel free to weigh in on the subject).

Also your analogy is incorrect. You said: "Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea". Then you quote the sentence from Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's threshold test for obscenity. The phrase "I know it when I see it" according to Wikipedia: "Is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters". The writer stated an opinion not a fact. And it was not a observable event. It can be argued that you are using a statement that deals with visual references which is not applicable in this instance. We are dealing with an entirely different idea. This "tone" of the written word of the writers post that you speak of is not same as a visual reference and therefore cannot be "seen" only interpreted. Furthermore, things need be explicitly said in order for everyone to get the same idea.

When you are finished trying to impress me and others with your knowledge of things completely unrelated to pussy, note that I'm still waiting for the exchange of information on having sex with women that you posted about. And if you could give me some insights on how to get free pussy in Sosua while you were at it that would be even better.

Here are my Sosua Mongering Suggestions:

1. Find a ho. 2. Fuck a ho. 3. Pay a ho.

In Sosua if you state explicitly the services that you want you are more likely (but not necessarily so) to receive them. The problem is similar to a purchasing any service, you order the service, you receive the service and pay for the service. But you may or may not be happy with the quality of the service. In an area as personal as sex, I would think the ho's are in an impossible situation when it comes to pleasing everyone and meeting individual quality standards for sexual experiences. Hell, even the quality of sex with my regulars vary depending upon their mood and mine also. If you don't like the price the ho wants to charge you for the services you wish to receive. Move on. If you ask for a specific service and she refuses tell her to put her clothes back on and get out. And if the service you receive is not good then don't repeat (but don't forget to moan and complain about it here).

I've always liked the idea that you don't pay for sex, you pay a ho to leave. Free pussy is often defined as "not paying money". In my country of origin you don't pay for jail or prison time. You receive free housing and free food. Remind you of anything. LOL!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1969443]However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".[/QUOTE]I gave you a lot of credit for questioning my reference to mongers here, as "normal average folks".

Yet above you appeal to these same people, as folks with "reasonable minds" to back up your opinions?

Aren't you forgetting we are all dysfunctional, third world poverty exploiting, adulterous, cheating, sexual addicts who spend thousand of dollars and travel thousands of miles, to pay for, on average, a 20 minute fuck with some poor hungry chica?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969797]But you are making an assumption that everyone ("any reasonable mind") would make the same deduction as you did. I didn't make that deduction. Do I have a reasonable mind? Or is your statement incorrect? (I'll leave that as a exercise for the reader but feel free to weigh in on the subject).

[/QUOTE]There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1970189]There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.[/QUOTE]The problem with y'all is that you all want to quantify everybody's personal experience to make it align with your own. It's a circular argument that goes on forever and resolves nothing.

The reasons people need to do that I will leave to professional psychologists. (not the cheap amateur imposters that populate this forum).

There are so many variables to the actual cost of any commodity that it can only make sense to the individual and his individual means and personal desires. Some would rather drive a BMW and cut down on steak and alcohol, while some love to party and are happy to take the subway. It's all relative.

DR pussy is not cheap, if I'm sitting in the middle of Canada.

As for pay vs free, there are so many variables.

With a wife or GF, you can pay with money, your emotions, your time, your health, your sanity, your safety, your wealth, even your career.

With a puta you can pay by the pop, the hour, the time of day or night, or like some of us spend time with ladies who have no meter running at all but expect a reasonable reward, based on past expectations.

All you can do is relate your own experience.

I don't take issue with folks unless they question my own way to enjoy my life. (or in rare cases remind them of previous inconsistent positions they have taken while lecturing me).

Still comes all back to: one size doesn't fit all, and YMMV.

Just share!

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1969554]Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.

I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.[/QUOTE]I agree 10000%. I paid dearly for "free" pussy in my life and now I just pay a few bucks and get better sex and with my favoritas a great day and night of partying and fucking.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1970201]The problem with y'all is that you all want to quantify everybody's personal experience to make it align with your own.

Still comes all back to: one size doesn't fit all, and YMMV.

Just share![/QUOTE]This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1970238]This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.[/QUOTE]True! It's life, Mr. E.

Some folks come back from the dance unsatisfied, while others have more action than they can handle. Winners and losers!

Life is not fair, but you can increase the odds by listening to the advice of winners, rather than losers!

Of course, like with politicians, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do! There are many ways to spot a phony, even if you've never met them!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969124]you really haven't provided me with any useful information.[/QUOTE]Understood. Ok next time I'll address the head inside of your pants instead of the one connected to your neck.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1970238]This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.[/QUOTE]Their skepticism is understandable, as this forum is basically about sharing info on mongering, not the art of seduction. LOL.

The guys that come here, including you, are obviously missing something that they are not getting for free, that's why they are here.

Now you might be the kind of guy that read playboy for Hugh Heffner's articles on his "philosophy", but most were more interested in "paying tribute" to Barbie Benton.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1970554]The guys that come here, including you, are obviously missing something that they are not getting for free, that's why they are here.[/QUOTE]What a big wrong assumption that is. Some days I like to cook at home and others I like to eat out. Some days I like a big juicy porterhouse and some days I like a hot dog and fries. Some days I like to drive my car and others I like being on my motorcycle. Some days I like a thick amazon chick and other days I like a skinny minnie. Some days I like a white chick. Some days I like a dark chick. Some days I like to fuck with nonpros and some days I like to fuck with hookers. It is ridiculous to assert that someone must be relegated to one or the other. If it is so obvious to you that something is missing from free chicks you should have no problem saying what that something is. It sounds like woman talk to me. Taking stabs in the dark trying to make something wrong when there is nothing wrong.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1970571]What a big wrong assumption that is. Some days I like to cook at home and others I like to eat out. Some days I like a big juicy porterhouse and some days I like a hot dog and fries. Some days I like to drive my car and others I like being on my motorcycle. Some days I like a thick amazon chick and other days I like a skinny minnie. Some days I like a white chick. Some days I like a dark chick. Some days I like to fuck with nonpros and some days I like to fuck with hookers. It is ridiculous to assert that someone must be relegated to one or the other. If it is so obvious to you that something is missing from free chicks you should have no problem saying what that something is. It sounds like woman talk to me. Taking stabs in the dark trying to make something wrong when there is nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]Nobody is telling you what to do! We are happy you are happy!

We are just trying to keep up with you. First you are getting pussy for free, then Sosua is finito and we all should all move on, you'd never go to Sosua unless you are forced, now it seems you are happy buying pussy in Sosua again.

Just keep in touch y,all!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1970504]Ok next time I'll address the head inside of your pants.[/QUOTE]No thanks! I got plenty of lovely chicas to do that. Didn't know you rolled like that my man. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1970691]Nobody is telling you what to do! We are happy you are happy!

We are just trying to keep up with you. First you are getting pussy for free, then Sosua is finito and we all should all move on, you'd never go to Sosua unless you are forced, now it seems you are happy buying pussy in Sosua again.

Just keep in touch y,all!..[/QUOTE]Damn straight Mr. Oakie! And all the while not a damn word actually deals with "sharing information on having sex with women. " From what I have read he is not the only poster not sharing any useful information on having sex with women in th Sosua Reports forum. (Professor WRX comes to mind).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1970238]This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen one post that says you are lying on your dick.

Although I don't find stories about your personal desires and exploits to be interesting or useful within the Sosua Reports forum, I'm sure others do. What I would find useful is a report that details or explains how you do what you do. I'd consider that a useful "exchange of information about having sex with women".

Staying with your analogy and writing style, in an informal conversation among friends, I'd tell you that I actually don't give a fuck about the type of car you use, tell me how you got the mileage you are claiming to get!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1970189]There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.[/QUOTE]Nothing complicated about establishing a set standard and placing a quantitative value on sex. That would allow all sex to be measured on a set scale.

Because the possibility exists that "free sex" that happens (using your definition) or because one "has game" or one just "gets lucky" may not cost anything close to what it costs to pay a prostitute for sex (even for a short time). One has to keep the situations and the context in mind.

I would assert that the cost of a long term relationship involving "free sex" would cost you a lot less within the DR than the same relationship would cost in my country of origin.

I don't think comparing relationship sex to sex with prostitutes on a qualitative level is possible.

For me they have been / are very different qualitative experiences. For me, when judging my sexual experiences on a qualitative basis, sex with a prostitute has on average never been better than sex that I've had within a relationship. I understand that my opinion may be a unique one. It represents my biases, personal preferences and paradigm that I bring to the table when filing the after action report and conducting the debriefing. But that does not mean that I haven't had some excellent sexual experiences with prostitutes that, on a qualitative basis, was sexually satisfying also. It's just not possible for me to compare them. Because in my mind (which one is exercise left to the reader) they are very different types of experiences.

If had to grade the sex on a strict quantitative basis, I'm not entirely certain that relationship sex was / is more expensive than sex with prostitutes on a cost per orgasm basis, especially if my experiences and data was sorted by country where the action took place. This is because the Dominican Republic has some unique characteristics that allow you to have an ongoing sexual relationship (if you live here) for well within the costs (on a per orgasm basis) that others spend having sex with prostitutes on an ad hoc manner. Let me rephrase that for the inevitable critics that will read and comment. This is because the Dominican Republic has some unique characteristics that allow me to have an ongoing sexual relationship (since I live here) for well within the costs (on a per orgasm basis) that I have spent having sex with prostitutes on an ad hoc manner.

Are you happy now? LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1970996]Damn straight Mr. Oakie! And all the while not a damn word actually deals with "sharing information on having sex with women. " From what I have read he is not the only poster not sharing any useful information on having sex with women in th Sosua Reports forum. (Professor WRX comes to mind).[/QUOTE]Looks like you better include yourself in that basket as well. Where is the last post that you have written in the Sosua Reports thread that shares useful information on having sex with women? Out of the 6 visible posts that you have on this page alone none of them do. You are making numerous posts telling people what their posts are missing while at the same time your numerous posts are missing the exact element that you complain that other posts are missing. No excuses sir. Just point us to the post.

I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:

1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?

2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?

3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971235]Looks like you better include yourself in that basket as well.[/QUOTE]Really?! Thanks for your opinion on the matter. I prefer to let the readers of this section weigh in on the matter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971235]Where is the last post that you have written in the Sosua Reports thread that shares useful information on having sex with women? Out of the 6 visible posts that you have on this page alone none of them do.[/QUOTE]Ah shit! You done gone straight quantitative on my ass. Let me take my hands off the keyboard for a moment (it helps me count). You said last six visible posts "on this page alone. " That's a tough standard to meet and you have made that very specific request only to make your point. Posts are on the move all the time across the page due to the participation of others. I prefer a different standard that everyone can use. Count the last six posts that I made to this section before this one. Tell me if you missed this one?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969797]Here are my Sosua Mongering Suggestions:

1. Find a ho. 2. Fuck a ho. 3. Pay a ho.

In Sosua if you state explicitly the services that you want you are more likely (but not necessarily so) to receive them. The problem is similar to a purchasing any service, you order the service, you receive the service and pay for the service. But you may or may not be happy with the quality of the service. In an area as personal as sex, I would think the ho's are in an impossible situation when it comes to pleasing everyone and meeting individual quality standards for sexual experiences. Hell, even the quality of sex with my regulars vary depending upon their mood and mine also. If you don't like the price the ho wants to charge you for the services you wish to receive. Move on. If you ask for a specific service and she refuses tell her to put her clothes back on and get out. And if the service you receive is not good then don't repeat (but don't forget to moan and complain about it here).

I've always liked the idea that you don't pay for sex, you pay a ho to leave. Free pussy is often defined as "not paying money". In my country of origin you don't pay for jail or prison time. You receive free housing and free food. Remind you of anything. LOL![/QUOTE]And then you say:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971235]No excuses sir.[/QUOTE]None needed. But within your six most recent posts in the Sosua section I fail to see one where you have "exchanged information on having sex with women" let alone useful information. Didn't you post that you have been here for 10 years and that was purpose of the forum.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971235]Just point us to the post.[/QUOTE]Just did! But more importantly, does this discussion hinge on the sharing of useful information?

Because in that case, I completely understand why someone who's most recent posts in this section seem to be focused on free pussy, their personal preferences and desires, and arguing with others using references unrelated to pussy would not find my Sosua Mongering Suggestions to be a "useful exchange of information on having sex with women". In addition, you continue and have repeatedly failed to share with us any information on how you are getting this free pussy in Sosua. I and I'm sure most others would find that information very useful. If I remember correctly someone even offered a reward for this type for the information to anyone who could provide it. LOL!

Where the ho's at?

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:[/QUOTE]If you and you buddies are seeking out paid pussy. I agree with you. It is indeed a bad idea. Being new why make logistics hard? But if you are going to be getting free pussy in Sosua (like some of the other posters on this board) then it sounds like a villa would be the perfect place to entertain and impresses your conquests. Besides, a villa allows for off the chain freak parties (if that's you and your buddies sort of thing). But be clear on guest policy (if any) and noise issues if your are not isolated. No need to attract any unwanted attention.

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?[/QUOTE]That depends strictly on how far away you are from where you want to go. And how much money you are willing to spend to get back and forth. Do you speak enough Spanish to call a taxi on the phone and give them their location? Will motoconchos be easily available at your location? Are you comfortable taking a motoconcho? Driving is easy in that part of the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?[/QUOTE]On that I must defer to others. WRX lives there and can certainly provide insight into that issue should he decide to bestow his extensive knowledge upon you. Hopefully others will chime in also.

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.[/QUOTE]There is racial bias in this country (or simply color bias). But I've only blatantly experienced it once. I don't know your ethnic background. But remember we are all "gringos" here.

Looks like that post from SubCmdr will not be pointed out since I received this PM from him. I am compelled to point out the inaccuracy of said PM.

"Our battle.

You like WRX have selective memory and responses. You are the one that pointed out what the forum was for while failing to adhere to the very post you made.

I'll let you continue alone on your path of tit for tat responses. I was making a point. What's your excuse?"

It seems you are the one with the selective memory. You wrote:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1969133]Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know![/QUOTE]I mererly responded to your request and "let a brother know" verbatim what the inventor/owner of this forum states the purpose of it is (no guesswork needed) . My excuse is that I did not pull a purpose out of my ass as you had done. Neither did I single out a particular member nor direct to the group that they must adhere to the owner's purpose as you said people should be following a particular guideline. I have never attempted to dictate what the content of another man's post should be. That is my mf excuse.

Now that you have been caught up in your shit of not practicing what you were preaching, you was just playing, it was all only a test and just to make a point. Once again, sounds like some female shit to me.

I do not expect a response since you said you will let me continue alone on my path of tit for tat responses....Well that is until your selective memory kicks back in.

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:

1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?

2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?

3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.[/QUOTE]1. Depends where you are. On the main coastal highway there are cheap public taxis round the clock and also motoconchos (motor bike taxis), and if you get the numbers of taxi drivers you can call them any time to pick you up, but this is a pricier option. If you have to walk several hundred yards to the highway and there is hot sun or torrential rain, or you are in the company of someone wearing high heels, this may affect your comfort level.

2. Probably between Sosua and Cabarete. La Mulata (upper Sosua) maybe, though people will tell you there have been home invasions there, and you don't want to have to walk the steep hill, especially at night. I would tend to avoid anywhere between Sosua and Montellano.

3. If you call on the phone and say your name is Barry White, you should be OK. If the owner thinks that you are a bunch of young guys who will make a lot of noise, play loud music late at night, use illegal drugs, bring prostitutes in at all hours of the day, and trash the residence, be unhygienic in the kitchen, eat in the bedrooms and attract roaches and ants, spill alcohol in the pool, and the villa is situated in a nice neighborhood, there might indeed be complaints from the neighbors or the owner might be wary about renting to your party, but who can really say, because it would depend on the owner and many other factors? On the other hand, groups of single men are a significant part of the local tourist market and their money is as good as anyone else's. There are people from all over the world in the area including many Russians, Americans, French-Canadians, Italians, Brits, South Americans, so ethnicity is not a huge deal per se, (unless you are Haitian.).

So when you make the reservation, whether it be online, by phone, or by letter it would probably be a good idea to give the impression that you are heading a responsible group of wealthy middle-aged businessmen golfers on a corporate junket, but it might not make any difference.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971318]Looks like that post from SubCmdr will not be pointed out since I received this PM from him. I am compelled to point out the inaccuracy of said PM.

"Our battle.

You like WRX have selective memory and responses. You are the one that pointed out what the forum was for while failing to adhere to the very post you made.

I'll let you continue alone on your path of tit for tat responses. I was making a point. What's your excuse?"[/QUOTE]No my man. Posting my PM to make your point is girly man action if I've ever seen it. Wao!

I decided to take our pointless conversation to PM. Because when you pointed out that I was not making posts that contained any useful information I realized had you had lost your objectivity and it had reached a level of irrationality. Because if you had of actually read my posts there would have been no need for your challenge. Your post was inaccurate. I gave you a chance in PM to realize the inaccuracy. But you failed to do so.

This is tennis. As long as the moderator allows it and you continue to hit the ball back I will too. But obviously you were not satisfied with having the last word. And now you have stepped not just on but all over your dick. What about this is so important to you? There was nothing inaccurate about my PM to you. And if there was why did you respond in a straight girly man fashion. No, you could have left it alone. You could have responded via PM. But instead you have decided to continue this in the public forum.

So let's continue. In your own words "it was all only a test and just to make a point". Your post illustrates that you were simply interested in making a point and testing me as opposed to actually "exchanging information on having sex with women". When I pointed this out to you previously you chose to either ignore me, quote my words out of context or like a good minion working for a politician forget your words and instead spin a new story in each new post that you made.

Simply because Mr. Enternational says it does not make it valid or accurate. You have declared yourself the winner. How? By engaging in girly man type activities. If this was your self declared test, next time make sure you take it yourself and that you have all the answers. Because I'm giving you a failing grade. Study harder next time and choose your words more carefully or engage a different subject with your diatribe. I don't really want to hear it.

Now at any point you actually wish to "exchange information with me about having sex with women" via PM or in the Sosua reports forum I'm interested in hearing it. If not, feel free to continue doing what you are doing. But take the smug, self satisfied smile off your face. Come back on the stage. And pick the mike up again if you dare.

[QUOTE=EdwardM;1971298]I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:

1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?

2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?

3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.[/QUOTE]I would just come to the usual monger's Sosua, New Garden, Europa, Terra Linda, and if you have any free time, aside from banging putas, (or seducing the local women, as some call it) check out the town, the layout and the area in case you want to come back!

(And leave your racial stereotypes at home!)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971363](or seducing the local women, as some call it)[/QUOTE]Damn straight Mr. Oakie! But I've noticed that those claiming they are doing it the seducing have failed to "exchange information" on the subject that they love to brag about. Maybe they don't want us to know about the secret. You know the secret that if you have pesos in Sosua putas will fuck you. I read all about that here. Many posters have provided information about that activity. They actually provided information about where the putas were at and how much they cost. I found it very useful. My memory may be selective. But that's because I only remember useful information.

Here's a great line tag line for a Sosua advertising campaign: "How much seduction do you have in your wallet"?

Where the ho's at? LOL!

I just came back from a short trip which unlike in the past, became purely a Sosua trip.

1. I got a ticket priced at $370 by American via Miami (a seriously fucked up place in airport design) to POP which sealed the deal. I rented a car as usual at POP to travel to Santiago but the two new contacts there chickened out and so I decided not to bother about going there at all.

2. I ate at German bar and grill and Schemmer Stube, the Italian restaurant next to Bologna, The presumably Canadian sports bar for a hamburger at the corner on Pedro Clissante and corner of the road coming from metro bus terminus. Discovered two Domenican places. One a fish place, the other side of Charmico Caribe bus terminus in Charamico and the other in Sosua past the Superpola and at an intersection of the main road and one that takes you to Playa chica. This last was quite a discovery. Clean and with a large variety. From fish to barbecue to my favorite. Chivo picante. Highly recommended if you are into good food. "Cocina de Yanet".

3. Sosua does not cut it for me for the pro experience is never satisfying, for me. I called in three and let two go immediately. I re-connected with one that was a bad experience the first time several trips back but interestingly it became progressively better this time as she grew more confidence in me.

4. I had a good experience with a young Haitian woman I had discovered a couple of trips back. However, one of my problems is that after a while I get bored with the same person. In any case, I introduced her to a Canadian from Montreal and they seem to have hit it off well. Hopefully this would be fruitful for both for a while.

5. I was leaving the airport in my rental care when I saw a woman walking towards the main road out of the airport. I stopped and gave her a lift. She works for the Government at the airport, have been doing so for the last ten years. I was able to ask her to come to see me that evening. This woman in her late twenties, was punctual and I took her to an Italian pizza place. She was a different experience compared to the usual others. She was very concerned about a physical liaison the first meet (and I let it go) but by the third encounter, was wet as soon as we were intimate. It was rather satisfying. The first trip, I did not give her any money; the second trip, I took her to buy some groceries -she spent a remarkable 200 pesos of my money and the third time, I gave her some money. Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive.

In summary, an okay trip. My most pleasant moments were long chats with the relatively younger French Canadian man and a young German Engineer; we spent two delectable evenings, on the streets of Sosua, smoking, drinking whiskey and beer and chatting about Montreal and Stuttgart and other stories, while eying the women on the road.

I was not premature. You are being moderated so you are on delay. Write and ask Jackson to take you off moderation.

And what you wrote on finding hos, fucking hos, and paying hos was general and generic and could be used anywhere. It was not specific to Sosua. In other words nobody would find that garbage "useful" because they had already planned to come to Sosua to do just that.

So it appears he does want to continue tit for tat; he just prefers to do it in PM instead of the public forum.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr]Better review the board again.

You were a bit premature.

Posting my PM in the public forum was straight girly man action. And so it continues.

I'd write something more explicit, but it wouldn't make it through the censor.

Feel free to publish this also.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971451]I was not premature. You are being moderated so you are on delay. Write and ask Jackson to take you off moderation.

And what you wrote on finding hos, fucking hos, and paying hos was general and generic and could be used anywhere. It was not specific to Sosua. In other words nobody would find that garbage "useful" because they had already planned to come to Sosua to do just that.

So it appears he does want to continue tit for tat; he just prefers to do it in PM instead of the public forum.[/QUOTE]Since you are taking requests. Drop it like it's hot. But before you do post something you consider useful.

So, he can have it. Say whatever you need to in your next post and you win the point. Game, Set, Match to Mr. E. You happy now (expletive deleted)? LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr]Excellent plan Mr. E. Since I am on moderation and my posts are delay, I'll just write to you via PM and you can post what I write. It will speed the process up. Doesn't change the fact that you have spent much more time posting about things unrelated to "sharing information about having sex with women". If you want the last word you can have it.[/QUOTE]Still not sure why you are coming at me (the messenger) with this. I have never said that anyone in here must post one certain thing or another. All I did was to correct you on WHAT Jackson SAYS is the purpose of the forum. And remember you sent an open invitation for someone to correct you if you were wrong.

Well sir you were wrong. And I did just as you asked by screenshotting what the forum owner (not me) wrote was the purpose of the forum. Now you point at me like you are being a tattletale saying that I don't follow that (reminds me of how Kobe did Shaq). Hell I never claimed to follow it and I never asked anyone else to follow it either. It was you who wanted to jump badass with your chest poked out telling everybody "your version" (as incorrect as it may have been) of what the purpose was, as if ISG was your own creation. If you were afraid to be wrong then you never should have sent an open invitation for someone to correct you. The shit might have slipped through. But you were so sure of yourself.

Let me take a wild ass guess. Now you will try to claim that you were not the brother that you were referring to when you wrote that if you were wrong about it then someone should "let a brother know"? Seems to me a brother really didn't want to know because he can not accept when he is dead ass wrong.

First it was girly man action to post what you wrote in PM, now you are asking me to post what you write. Which is it going to be? Get your shit together man; I hate to see you all discombobulated like this. You should be leaving the arena with your head down in shame.

I thought this was an adult website. So why are there immature children posting on it?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1971402]I just came back from a short trip which unlike in the past, became purely a Sosua trip.

1. I got a ticket priced at $370 by American via Miami (a seriously fucked up place in airport design) to POP which sealed the deal. I rented a car as usual at POP to travel to Santiago but the two new contacts there chickened out and so I decided not to bother about going there at all.

2. I ate at German bar and grill and Schemmer Stube, the Italian restaurant next to Bologna, The presumably Canadian sports bar for a hamburger at the corner on Pedro Clissante and corner of the road coming from metro bus terminus. Discovered two Domenican places. One a fish place, the other side of Charmico Caribe bus terminus in Charamico and the other in Sosua past the Superpola and at an intersection of the main road and one that takes you to Playa chica. This last was quite a discovery. Clean and with a large variety. From fish to barbecue to my favorite. Chivo picante. Highly recommended if you are into good food. "Cocina de Yanet".

3. Sosua does not cut it for me for the pro experience is never satisfying, for me. I called in three and let two go immediately. I re-connected with one that was a bad experience the first time several trips back but interestingly it became progressively better this time as she grew more confidence in me.[/QUOTE]Excellent example Mr. Tempoecorto of an exchange of information about having sex with women in Sosua. Anyone else paying attention? Anyone else need too?

Does anyone have any intel on the slim girl who works at Ricks? Her name is Ruth.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1971483]Still not sure why you are coming at me (the messenger) with this. I have never said that anyone in here must post one certain thing or another. All I did was to correct you on WHAT Jackson SAYS is the purpose of the forum. And remember you sent an open invitation for someone to correct you if you were wrong.

Well sir you were wrong. And I did just as you asked by screenshotting what the forum owner (not me) wrote was the purpose of the forum. Now you point at me like you are being a tattletale saying that I don't follow that (reminds me of how Kobe did Shaq). Hell I never claimed to follow it and I never asked anyone else to follow it either. It was you who wanted to jump badass with your chest poked out telling everybody "your version" (as incorrect as it may have been) of what the purpose was, as if ISG was your own creation. If you were afraid to be wrong then you never should have sent an open invitation for someone to correct you. The shit might have slipped through. But you were so sure of yourself.

Let me take a wild ass guess. Now you will try to claim that you were not the brother that you were referring to when you wrote that if you were wrong about it then someone should "let a brother know"? Seems to me a brother really didn't want to know because he can not accept when he is dead ass wrong.

First it was girly man action to post what you wrote in PM, now you are asking me to post what you write. Which is it going to be? Get your shit together man; I hate to see you all discombobulated like this. You should be leaving the arena with your head down in shame.[/QUOTE]Some folks can't handle or admit being wrong or shown their errors, successfully. He deleted an entire exchange between him and I for that reason. Not because it didn't meet the objective of the forum. And it wasnt like it was in Sosua Reports, it was in his personally moderated forum. Further, he is the one who copies information from another forum to address you in his. So if there was a problem with anybodies post/focus not meeting his objective, he shouldnt have copied their post from another forum to address them in his?

Now if the exchange doesn't go according to his satisfaction, chances are the entire exchange will be deleted anyway. Because he cannot delete your exchange in this forum, the damage control effort is gonna be unrelenting. So have fun.

I observed long ago why a lot of folks stopped engaging him in one on one discourse, as well as drop off from posting in his forum. That alone speaks volumes. That forum seems to be dead? Or maybe it's low season? Whatever, he's got to find some new victims ( unwitting ) to play with him. Which is probably the reason for all of this going on in Sosua Reports, Mr G's forum and who knows where else on ISG? Oh and I had my share of PM's with him. I don't think he enjoyed going that route with me either. I tried to resolve things on some level. But he's a special fellow with a lot going on. I decided to apply the best approach.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1971546]Excellent example Mr. Tempoecorto of an exchange of information about having sex with women in Sosua. Anyone else paying attention? Anyone else need too?[/QUOTE]Folks on this forum are so adversarial now I think it is more about ego than sharing actual experiences. It is basically a pissing match with some posters who will adopt any opinion, no matter how inconsistent, to deride others who are perceived to be a threat to their ego, street cred, rep, their worldview, whatever.

This would be weird on an anonymous forum, but it turns out that these people are personally acquainted with each other, which explains the tag team attacks and the piling on to defend some half-assed opinion, which they themselves will be knocking down a few pages later. "Sosua is OK / Sosua is finished, putas are bad, I never go to Sosua unless I'm forced / I go to Sosua and get free pussy. Locals are bad / locals are good. A long time relationship is for suckers / I'm looking for a long time relationship / I have a long time relationship". They have to be careful they don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off their pals who may not agree with them.

It can be just a circle jerk. A fine example of groupthink!

They've tried to run me off a couple times, because I laughed at their bullshit.

With a finger to the wind, these people take any and every "cool" position, on any given day, so it is a complete waste of time to debate them, there is no "there" there. No consistent logic to discuss. If you have a good memory, or even check back a few pages, it is obvious.

With these would be moderators on the prowl, checking everything from your grammar, language, to the price you pay, and even the propina you give a local, (not necessary they whine, because you could be "spoiling the monger market", with your generosity, reminding you of their "monger's code".

"Monger's Code?" LOL

These folks remind me of the government inspectors at home that check an illegal MP to make sure the sign "No Smoking" sign is properly and prominently displayed. A one liner is usually all you need to dispense with their nonsense.

But my beef is it has a chilling effect on new posters, who are are worried about admitting any mistakes, and either don't bother to post, or join the pissing match.

Instead of real honest opinion and shared experience there is just bullshit.

Even my esteemed poster Tempoecorto is careful to qualify his session with a local chica, and I quote:

"Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive".

Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots!

So there ya are!

Hey, it's just my opinion, ok?

I write for newbies like me, who maybe worked in smokey steel mills, waited hours at snowy bus stops for buses that were late or never showed up, played endless games to get a quick fuck, and who dreamed of a tropical Island, white sand, palm trees, turqoise clear water, where the local young native beauties weren't hung up about sex, and would treat you like a king, for a few trinkets. You could even have a harem, like a Sultan.

I found it, and so can they!

Life is good! (If you don't let the idiots grind you down).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]Folks on this forum are so adversarial now I think it is more about ego than sharing actual experiences. It is basically a pissing match with some posters who will adopt any opinion, no matter how inconsistent, to deride others who are perceived to be a threat to their ego, street cred, rep, their worldview, whatever.[/QUOTE]No truer words have been spoken Mr. Oakie. Preach! And you don't have to look far for the latests examples just a couple of posts below yours and there you have it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]This would be weird on an anonymous forum, but it turns out that these people are personally acquainted with each other, which explains the tag team attacks and the piling on to defend some half-assed opinion, which they themselves will be knocking down a few pages later. It can be just a circle jerk. A fine example of groupthink! They've tried to run me off a couple times, because I laughed at their bullshit.[/QUOTE]As have I. Hang tough brother Oakie. It's not their world. Only in their own mind.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]With these would be moderators on the prowl, checking everything from your grammar, language, to the price you pay, and even the propina you give a local, (not necessary they whine, because you could be "spoiling the monger market", with your generosity, reminding you of their "monger's code". A one liner is usually all you need to dispense with their nonsense.[/QUOTE]My brother, my brother ease up on the mother fuckers. You going hard into their earholes!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]But my beef is it has a chilling effect on new posters, who are are worried about admitting any mistakes, and either don't bother to post, or join the pissing match. Instead of real honest opinion and shared experience there is just bullshit.[/QUOTE]Tell them my brother! Came on this board with new ideas and different ways of doing things and was immediately challenged. Made my first post in the Sosua section and they were clowning me. It's a problem that lies deeply within them.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]Even my esteemed poster Tempoecorto is careful to qualify his session with a local chica, and I quote: "Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive". Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots![/QUOTE]Who are they? They are the ones that don't matter. They are the critics. Men in the arena know this. Yes, my brother! Can I get a witness?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]I write for newbies like me, who maybe worked in smokey steel mills, waited hours at snowy bus stops for buses that were late or never showed up, played endless games to get a quick fuck, and who dreamed of a tropical Island, white sand, palm trees, turqoise clear water, where the local young native beauties weren't hung up about sex, and would treat you like a king, for a few trinkets. You could even have a harem, like a Sultan. I found it, and so can they! Life is good! (If you don't let the idiots grind you down)..[/QUOTE]Damn straight life is good! If these traveling tourist mother fuckers (and even the ones that live here) can't enjoy the complete package of goodies to be found in the Dominican Republic. Fuck them! No, mother fuck them! One thing I've found is that it's seems the problems you outlined my brother is unique to the cast of characters that that have taken up residence in the Dominican Republic forum. Because when I read the exchanges in other forums I do not find the same hostility (often displayed in a borderline sociopaths manner) that I find in other forums.

Men in arena are the ones: "who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly". - Theodore Roosevelt.

This is not the arena mother fuckers. This is where men in the arena report on their exploits. Men the arena know that the critics don't matter. But the critics have forgotten this. The critics think all they need to do is simply shout the loudest or the longest they will be able to drown out all others and make their point. Some can't even recognize when someone concedes the point. They think is some sort of written "blood sport". When the idea changes from exchanging information on having sex with women (paid or unpaid) and really communicating to simply making your point, then it simply becomes written tennis.

Once the conversation devolves to this point it's most unfortunate. Because in tennis you have a court with clearly marked lines, a net, an Umpire and Line Judges. The players hit the ball over the net within the confines of the lines until one of the players fail to do so. When that happens the point is over. Points develop into games, games into sets, and eventually match point. At the end of the match the two players come to the net, shake hands and then shake the hands of the umpire. We don't have the benefit of that sort of civility or sportsmanship here.

The sun is out. The sea state off the coast of Santo Domingo este is calm. It's like glass. I want to goto the beach my brother. I'll bring the rum and the beer, you bring the ho's. That my brother is the Arena!

As some of you may recall, the entire sidewalk on the Rumba / Latin drink side of the street was ripped up months ago. And it's been that way for a long while. But in recent days / weeks progress is being made daily to repair the sidewalk. The curb on that same side has been fixed and filled. In previous weeks, it was a serious parking hazard as several cars had their back or front wheels stuck deep in the hole (where the curb used to be) and the only way to get them out was with a towing type vehicle.

Now one can park freely on that side of the street since the curb has been replaced. A shitload of gravel and bricks are piled up on the unpaved sidewalk, indicating the materials that will be used to rebuild the sidewalk. It's very possible, that if Rumba does have clearance in which to re open, it would likely be possible once the sidewalk is completed in it's entirety. As it is now, Rumba or anything else on that side could not operate as long as the sidewalk is all tore up. So I'm hoping, that is the only reason Rumba is still closed.

The little taxi house on the corner of Dr. Rosen and Pedro Clisante recently got a make over. So I'm sure the taxistas should be happy. The Latin Drink has construction going on behind it's partitions. Not sure what it's going to be upon completion, but it's nice to see some work going on for a change. The barricades set up in the street have a picture of the mayor on it. I guess that is her way of letting folks know that she is connected to the current project at hand?

Let me add. The barricades I mentioned are not for closing the street. They were set up near the area where the curb was being repaired. So that nothing or anybody would get close enough to damage the concrete that was poured for the curb.

Were now nearing the Christmas holiday season, and chicas seem to be in that zone of seeking clients to make that holiday money. I have to say, just before Thanksgiving a wave of mongers were visibly present. Especially those coming with several friends all at the same time. But it seems, at least this week it's slowing down again. I think for expats and vacationers, that's a good thing. Bourbon Street, Merengue Bar, Clasico, City Lights, the Playa, The Casino, various other bars and restaurants, The Bon ice cream store, chicas hanging out near hotels, or walking to or from the strip, there are still plenty of options for most mongers to suit many tastes.

Chicas are still being chased by the Politur police, but that has become the norm. Chicas often try to get guys standing nearby to escort them to Merengue or Clasicos. In fact, Merengue has been loosely enforcing a chicas have to be escorted in policy. I say loosely because the security at the door sometimes makes exceptions on certain chicas requiring an escort. Funny thing though, I notice a few chicas that ask a guy to escort them in dump that guy the second they get in, they don't even try to see if he can be a client. It's like they are looking for bigger fish in Merengue waters.

On another note, if you feel like me, now that all of that consistent daily / nightly rain has stopped, the sun and warmth is a welcome change. I'm sure many a chica has profited off of our storm woes in the DR. Because so many guys have received pics of flooding devastation from chicas in their effort to get sympathy and money. Meanwhile in more than enough instances, the pics have zero to do with the chica personally. A lot of guys I know kept asking me about all of the damage they heard of. And they want to know what happened in Sosua specifically. Here in Sosua the most we had were a few flooded streets. Where the water eventually receded.

But hardly did we get any of the devastation going on in various areas in the north coast (The DR in general) where it's known for major flooding problems. Enough chicas have used that as an opportunity to hit guys up abroad for money. Meanwhile, I'm right here, and never got a bunch of requests like that. Well only one, but I know she has a few guys on the hook. She probably sent every client past or present in her contacts (including me) a group text.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1971731]
The sun is out. The sea state off the coast of Santo Domingo este is calm. It's like glass. I want to goto the beach my brother. I'll bring the rum and the beer, you bring the ho's. That my brother is the Arena![/QUOTE]I'm with you!

Maybe we could invite along another bro to make sure we don't pay too much, smoke that Cohiba out on the highway, don't leave a propina if one is already on the cuenta, and show these ho's that we will stcik together and not break the "Monger's Code" and spoil the market for stupida tourista gringos who don't know how to buy a fuck in a brothel without a guide book!

We can "have each others back" to make sure that those young beautiful chicas don't take advantage of us!

Remember, it's a Disney Theme Park jungle out there :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1971868]On another note, if you feel like me, now that all of that consistent daily / nightly rain has stopped, the sun and warmth is a welcome change. I'm sure many a chica has profited off of our storm woes in the DR. Because so many guys have received pics of flooding devastation from chicas in their effort to get sympathy and money. Meanwhile in more than enough instances, the pics have zero to do with the chica personally. A lot of guys I know kept asking me about all of the damage they heard of. And they want to know what happened in Sosua specifically. Here in Sosua the most we had were a few flooded streets. Where the water eventually receded.

But hardly did we get any of the devastation going on in various areas in the north coast (The DR in general) where it's known for major flooding problems. Enough chicas have used that as an opportunity to hit guys up abroad for money. Meanwhile, I'm right here, and never got a bunch of requests like that. Well only one, but I know she has a few guys on the hook. She probably sent every client past or present in her contacts (including me) a group text.[/QUOTE]Yeah there are suckers born every minute. Its to the point where chicas don't even have to sell ToeToe like that anymore, Its to easy to get money from these western union suckers. Put I can't blame these guys, They are just happy to have a pretty girl give them attention.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1972058]I'm with you![/QUOTE]According to SubCmdr, these posts are supposed to be telling us about getting pussy in Sosua. They are not supposed to be about sucking each other off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1972088]According to SubCmdr, these posts are supposed to be telling us about getting pussy in Sosua. They are not supposed to be about sucking each other off.[/QUOTE]I thought we were on topic about sharing our love of Sosua.

Unlike you I've never met these folks, so I take them at their word.

Sorry to spoil your day!

(But you left out the part about us enjoying the sea, the sun, the beach, the rum, the hoes)

But we know that is very foreign to you negative, nattering forum police! :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1971687]Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots![/QUOTE]Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!

I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.

Last night was ladies night. I say that because it's the only time you can see more women than men. It's been raining for a few weeks and last night was a very clear night. I went to Classico and enjoyed The View. Wasn't crowded and they had nice dime pieces. Really look live for a Thursday. The police is a little relaxed however they do Chase a chica or two from time to time. I had a girl approached me and offered to do everything for 3500. I started to give her a Mr. E. laugh. She did later come back and asked me how much will I give her. Definitely some dime pieces trying to catch an early bird. I see a lot of girls here from Boca Chica. Damn I thought they were eating well there but now they are here.

We hit the club about 1:45. It's good to see the hour is back to normal for Club closing. After Clasico everyone heads to the new spot. You need a car or a motorcycle to get there. I know the bad boys love that. Now they can get more business taking people to and fro the other Disco. It is not the casino with its after hour party I don't want to go in another Disco. I really didn't like after 1 after all. I was trying to zero in on a fat ass Haitian I've been wanting her and she don't even know it. Another chica came and bogarted my attention. She was kind of rude but I have seen we have session before was the reason why interrupted my conversation. A blast from the past ask me for a session. I remembered her from the past and she made the repeat list. I seen her before and started to take her but I didn't like how she was looking that day. She put it in her calculator and says you can go with me for 2000 Peso. I counted fifteen thousand and tip if she performs like she did before.

We got to my room and we put one in the air. We smoked a whole cigar. She was nice and high. She asked me could she stay all night. She had 3 kids and wasn't your regular knockout Dime Piece. However she had a nice shape and very very soft skin. I say she's about a 6 and looks and 7 on the body. I was going to put her on the possible list. I was on one side of the street across from Classico when the police appeared girls. Four chicas did the Wilma Rudolph up the road. The girl that was talking to ran and grabbed my arm and said she's with me. She lucky I knew her. And that's how I ended up with her. She turned up for the check. She f* better then I've had all week. I did not ask for it fellatio she volunteered it. Damn good I knew why she made my list. The session was the best on this trip so far. The next morning I gave her a dress and 2000 pesos. Oh yes she gave me another session early this morning. I like her she definitely deserves to be in rotation.

I'm in the Sue and the bottom just fell out. I don't know where all that rain came from it was clear a few minutes ago when I was outside. All good with me this is my chill time. My Haitian friend knows how I get down so she bought me a new friend from Puerto Plata fresh off the boat. 19 with no children about 5 ft 7 in. Size 7/8. She can't speak any Spanish only French and creole. She's not as chocolate as I would normally prefer but because she's Raw I'm going to work with her. I overheard her girlfriend telling her to f* the s* out of me. She laugh and gave her girlfriend Hi 5. She should be good until about 1 o'clock until I hit the strip.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1972183]Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!

I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.[/QUOTE]This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M[/URL].

This little Haitian tender was a monster. She f* me every which way. Completely GFE. Yes I know I shouldn't be kissing these Hoes. But BO sticks his finger and tongue in their asses. He kind of got me hyped. This girl was so Raw. She hadn't even shaved. She was a lighter shade of brown. Her ass fit just right in those size 7 shorts I gave her. Her beast were light brown with a red nipples. Young and firm. She keep creaming snot on my condom. I should had powered up with a whole cialis for her ass. She let me ground and pound. I worked her young ass and now she's snoring. She was so good fuck Classico. I have tomorrow. This GFE in the Sosua in rare.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1972279]This little Haitian tender was a monster. She f* me every which way. Completely GFE. Yes I know I shouldn't be kissing these Hoes. But BO sticks his finger and tongue in their asses. He kind of got me hyped. This girl was so Raw. She hadn't even shaved. She was a lighter shade of brown. Her ass fit just right in those size 7 shorts I gave her. Her beast were light brown with a red nipples. Young and firm. She keep creaming snot on my condom. I should had powered up with a whole cialis for her ass. She let me ground and pound. I worked her young ass and now she's snoring. She was so good fuck Classico. I have tomorrow. This GFE in the Sosua in rare.[/QUOTE]Woohoo sounds like a real catch man. Congrats enjoy her!

I let her sleep and came to Classico. Gentleman Classico is alive 4 to 1 chicas. Hell yes. They are up in here.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1972300]I let her sleep and came to Classico. Gentleman Classico is alive 4 to 1 chicas. Hell yes. They are up in here.[/QUOTE]Hey GM, another guy who knows how to have a good time, thanks!

Here's how good it was for us.

A month ago we arranged for 5 raws and 1 regular to come in (3+2 for my buddy, my regular for me) all good, but the second day while shopping we met this absolutely beautiful young chica and took her back with us. Now we never did have the same taste in women, until this Miss Universe came along. We finally agreed.

Unfortunately his group were arriving by cab at the same time, so I had to take her. She literally blew me away, and I repeated, but he was so busy he never got the chance. He wanted me to help him out with his chicas, but between the shop girl and my regular I had no time, then this beautiful student / bartender I'd been flirting with all week finally said yes, but I had nothing left.

And, like you, we had to leave all that pussy untouched in Classico.

Who needs heaven, when we have Sosua?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1972243]This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is news?

Is there any excuse they HAVEN'T used?

Cumpleanos.

Morte.

Blood transfusion.

Baby food.

Robbery.

Fire.

Accidente.

Student Fees.

Food.

Babysitting money.

Repay loan shark.

Navidad.

Anniversary de morte.

Bus fare.

I probably missed a lot more, but they all work from the same script :)

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1972183]Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!

I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.[/QUOTE]These people live in their own reality based on a flawed worldview. They see Sosua as a battleground, a dying one at that, not a monger playground heaven. There's no point in trying get them to appreciate it for what it is. To them everyone is a bloodsucker, or a conman. But that's only true of the people they meet.

They piled on me for buying a coffe pot for a chica I stayed with for a week :) I give my wallet with the day's money to my regular (8 years now) so she can check the cuenta and tips in dark restaurants and bars, and that almost got me kicked off for stupidity, by the gang trolling circle jerks.

For them, Sosua IS the shits.

And it's not hard to see why.

So ignore them, they have no special standing here. How we pay, what we pay, and when we pay is all good, we don't need approval from the monger police

They said Sosua was dead, and we should all move on, one guy here claimed he was selling up and leaving. I told them that by Christmas it would be "business as usual". The world is full of these folks. Critics are a dime a dozen.

But I noticed one of our adversaries, the Professer, in particular, has completely changed his whining persona here.

So maybe we're winning? :)

Boots on fire.

Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.

As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.

Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1972243]This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M[/URL].[/QUOTE]You do have some exotic taste in music. I had never heard of, or listened to this singer, just the way, I had never heard of "perfidia" - the link you had sent. I went forward and found the same song by the great Linda Ronstadt in her inimitable voice. Kudos also to the Cuban song writer and thanks to you.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1972417]These people live in their own reality based on a flawed worldview. [/QUOTE]I do think that if you smile at the world, it smiles back. This is based on my personal experience, not only in the DR but around the globe and so, yes I agree with you.

I have no idea how you don't have a great time in the Sue. Every kind of women you could want waiting for you to ask. If some one had just told me I would not believe it. It has to be experienced. There is nothing in the US that compares to Classicos on a Monday night let alone a weekend night. When I read guys complaining I scratch my head. It is like fucking up a wet dream. My worst problem in Sue is never having enough time and leche for all the girls I want to fuck. I turn down girls guys in the states would kill for. Thanks for your report. You made me feelI was there.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1972465]Boots on fire.

Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.

As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.

Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1972198]After Clasico everyone heads to the new spot. You need a car or a motorcycle to get there. I know the bad boys love that. Now they can get more business taking people to and fro the other Disco. It is not the casino with its after hour party I don't want to go in another Disco. [/QUOTE]What is this place you're speaking of?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1972623]What is this place you're speaking of?[/QUOTE]The disco opened again inside the casino.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1972504]I do think that if you smile at the world, it smiles back. This is based on my personal experience, not only in the DR but around the globe and so, yes I agree with you.[/QUOTE]I'm almost tempted to ask our Monger Police to make that their Rule No. 1, for those who need rules.

If recent posts are anything to go by, looks like the ones that get the most out out Sosua don't observe their "Sosua Monger's Manifesto".

There's me with my coffee pots, you with your cell phones, Grownman with his dresses and (hair?) Even I recall OldKool getting here shit because he let some putas eat his leftovers off his plate in Rocky's, something about not showing respect.

And we (who are actually visiting) are finding it as productive as ever for far more good pussy than we can ever handle. Lot's of spots, old and new are opening to accommodate the all the chicas and the mongers.

I don't know, the worst critics, with one exception, are rarely there. Maybe it's because when the Monger Police are out of town (like parents), they don't like anybody having a party if they are not running it, or even invited. .

Sosua is shit, unless THEY are partying there? You need a special ticket to their party? Whatever, I don't care anymore.

But to get back to the point, Will Sosua "die" again? Yes, next hurricane season July and August, guaranteed! No need for "the word on the street" or "intel sources", just look at the fucking calendar, fer chrisakes!

But by next Christmas they'll have lines at Classico, as usual.

Here's a clue, for those that need it: Look up High and Low Season. :)

(And, for those who think I'm just whining myself, you should read my PM inbox. I am just giving voice to the opinions I get there, that for their own good reasons, they don't want to go public and be identified with. I'm anonymous so I don't give a fuck but their privacy with me is always guaranteed).

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1972465]Boots on fire.

Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.

As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.

Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.[/QUOTE]Grownman, you talking about this Jessica.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1968539]Yes, you can just get a plane ticket and find a room when you arrive. Casa Marina is OK, or I should say it was OK when I stayed there a few years ago, and has nice ocean views, hot tub, unlimited free drinks, decent food, OK rooms, but you cannot bring prostitutes or male friends to your room there.

There are plenty of small hotels that specialize in providing accommodations for the male single traveler. You will find a room easily enough, unless it is Superbowl weekend, when, for some reason, Sosua seems to fill up. Easter week may also be busy...[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply.

I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via [URL]booking.com[/URL] or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option. But, if possible, I'd rather stay at a hotel run by locals, eat at local restaurants, etc. Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).

One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosúa so that I can easily buy a trip to Samaná or elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1972991]I'd rather stay at a hotel run by locals[/QUOTE]I assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?

If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.

Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1972991]
One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosua so that I can easily buy a trip to Samaná or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]For Samaná, find out the time and stopping place of the bus (I know it is pretty early) and pay on the bus. Most other places you may want to go, just go to the bus depot. You are over-thinking things.

Non-mongering questions like this are best asked on the DR1 website.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1972991]
I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via [URL]booking.com[/URL] or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option ... Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).[/QUOTE]Unless your stay coincides with Christmas / New Year or Easter, or with Superbowl or Thanksgiving in the USA, I would not book anything in advance. Everything is walking distance in Sosua. There will be empty rooms in most hotels. Check the place out for whatever may be your priorities (you need a pool? excellent wifi? quiet at night? chica friendly? air-conditioning? safe in room? or whatever) before you commit. None of them will tick all the boxes, but some boxes may not be important to you.

Read the Sosua posts here to make a short list of the hotels the guys favor. They all have different favorites because they all have different priorities, but if you list the six or eight most favored you are sure to find one you like with empty rooms. At least you start in the knowledge they will all be chica-friendly.

If you are arriving late in the afternoon you may be too tired to look around. Just book into any hotel on your list for one night so you have somewhere to leave your baggage and make an early start checking other hotels the next morning to see if you can find better.

I would only book a hotel/flight package if it is as cheap. or nearly as cheap, as the flight only. Remember you will have to pay for other places to fuck the chicas and this will soon outweigh any savings made.

If you are not confident and speak no Spanish, you might spend your first couple of days at Blackbeards to get used to things. Or maybe Field of Dreams, which is usually inferior to Blackbeards but a very convenient base from which to visit Sosua and check out hotels. It is also nearer the airport.

Field of Dreams fills your criterion "run by locals". Stay there a couple of nights and you will understand my post below. Still, it might well suit your purpose and there are always spare rooms there.

These factors will affect your trip:

For how long are you coming?

Is mainly a sex trip or a tourist holiday with a bit of sex as a side dish?

Do you speak Spanish?

If you do not speak Spanish and are coming for less than two weeks for a sex trip, I would forget visiting Samana and other places. There is plenty to keep you occupied in Sosua and nearby places like Puerto Plata and Cabarete for up to two weeks on a first trip.

Learn to handle yourself in the DR without getting ripped off or endangered this trip and do the tourist stuff another trip.

If you already hold sufficient euros, then fine. But if you have to change from zlotys then I would change into dollars. You may want to bring a bank card as emergency back-up.

Playa Sosua had a ton of working girls trolling the beach on Saturday, the most I have ever seen. Oh, it must be close to Christmas, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1972991]Thank you for your reply.

I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via [URL]booking.com[/URL] or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option. But, if possible, I'd rather stay at a hotel run by locals, eat at local restaurants, etc. Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).

One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosa so that I can easily buy a trip to Saman or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Sir Charles has basically told you all you need to know for your first trip.

I would add a further note. As a long time fan of Casa Marina, I would definitely not recommend it to anyone that is (a) single, (b) plans to spend a lot of time in town with the locals and (c) plans to do a lot of local girls. You will find it most inconvenient and restrictive.

Casa Marina is for those who are wifed up, or want to impress your latest conquest with a little quiet vacation. For that it is perfect!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1973338]Playa Sosua had a ton of working girls trolling the beach on Saturday, the most I have ever seen. Oh, it must be close to Christmas, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Did you find out who's been naughty, or nice?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1973360]Did you find out who's been naughty, or nice?[/QUOTE]More to the point, who's exceptionally nice when they are at their naughtiest?

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1973396]More to the point, who's exceptionally nice when they are at their naughtiest?[/QUOTE]Now that's what I'm talking about! Where the ho's at?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1662932]I was actually somewhat disappointed in that video. I was looking to return to the DR this year, but nothing in that video would have drawn me there (well, maybe one or two). I know that there are some hot women in the DR, but that video did not do them any justice.

I guess Colombia has me spoiled, LOL.[/QUOTE]The ladies in these pics are from D. R or Colombia?

[QUOTE=Klove48;1972937]Grownman, you talking about this Jessica.[/QUOTE]Yes sir that's her sexy chocolate ass.

Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate them.

I've already bought the air ticket. I'm coming for 2 weeks in January. Yes, it'll be my first trip to the DR.

As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. I know it'll take some time to get used to the life in the DR.

I don't hide the fact that my main purposes are to escape the winter frost and to have fun with the chicas. I'd also like to do some sightseeing, but I don't want to be too greedy, so maybe I'll give up the idea of going to Samaná and Santo Domingo and focus on the area of Puerto Plata instead.

I possess some euros, but probably I'll also bring US dollars with me.

I'm arriving late in the afternoon and I'll probably book a room in advance only for the first couple of nights. I'll look for info about hotels in Sosúa on this forum. By writing 'run by locals' I meant run by individuals and not big international companies. Usually, I prefer supporting local businesses rather than multinationals.

I'll check the DR1 website.

See at least some of you soon in Sosúa.

Cocodrilito.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1973856]
As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. [/QUOTE]This makes all the difference. You should have no problems at all with your plan.

You will have a great time. You have a good attiitude. Reccomendations, Hotels Sosua Sunrise gives breakfast and dinner plus good accomodations for 65 a night. I stay at hotel Europa for 40 a night because there are places I like to eat. Go to the bank or Western Union to exchange your money. It is much better to have pesos. Be careful with the week day girls who tend to be more hardcore. However with your obvious charm you can make them do your bidding. Few rules never pay more then 2000 pesos for short term. Be careful of girls who speak english to well most have been on the stroll to long. Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends, Also talk to guys on the ground with you they will keep straight. Lastly there is no right or wrong way to have fun. Do what makes you happy. Example if you meet someone you vibe with keep her for as long as you want hell take her to SD with you. Also definitely catch the bus to SD. Pm me and I will give you some details where. What and who for Santo Domingo. Because 4 days in Sosua will burn you out.

[QUOTE=Cocodrilito;1973856]Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate them.

I've already bought the air ticket. I'm coming for 2 weeks in January. Yes, it'll be my first trip to the DR.

As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. I know it'll take some time to get used to the life in the DR.

I don't hide the fact that my main purposes are to escape the winter frost and to have fun with the chicas. I'd also like to do some sightseeing, but I don't want to be too greedy, so maybe I'll give up the idea of going to Saman and Santo Domingo and focus on the area of Puerto Plata instead.

I possess some euros, but probably I'll also bring US dollars with me.

I'm arriving late in the afternoon and I'll probably book a room in advance only for the first couple of nights. I'll look for info about hotels in Sosa on this forum. By writing 'run by locals' I meant run by individuals and not big international companies. Usually, I prefer supporting local businesses rather than multinationals.

I'll check the DR1 website.

See at least some of you soon in Sosa.

Cocodrilito.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1973263]I assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?

If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.

Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.[/QUOTE]Has there been a survey done analyzing the efficiency level of all businesses run in the Dominican Republic? Is your statement based on the percentage of the success rate of local and foreign businesses in the country? If rather it is your opinion then you have done a gross disservice to your hosts during your enjoyable trips to the DR.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1974496]Has there been a survey done analyzing the efficiency level of all businesses run in the Dominican Republic? Is your statement based on the percentage of the success rate of local and foreign businesses in the country? If rather it is your opinion then you have done a gross disservice to your hosts during your enjoyable trips to the DR.[/QUOTE]Interesting point.

I defer to Sir Charles on local business practices, because he lives there, but I do have another take.

Two of my long term relationships were with Phds, International Education and International Law. I traveled extensively with both of them. I even helped them with their theses.

Fast forward a few years to my regular DR GFE of 8 years.

Traveled and stayed all over the DR with her, using local transport, local lodging with family and friends, watched my dinner being killed.

I was amazed that this poor, uneducated lady had such organizational and management skills. Nothing is a problem on the road, she can source anything from a huge network of friends, and she's happy (and always wears the right kind of shoes, a skill which always seemed to elude my learned friends) :)

I have to give them credit, because they can do so much with so little.

Compliments of the season ot all, and may your all chica dreams come true!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1973263]I assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?

If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.

Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.[/QUOTE]The shit I can't figure out (and they can't either because I have asked) is why they never have fucking towels. It seems the two go hand in hand; hotel-towels. But this is not the case in Dominican run hotels. On more than one occasion I have had to go to the store and buy my own damn towels. Other times I have had to just use that small floor towel instead of a bath towel. And yet other times me and whatever chick have had to use the same towel.

I can't help but thinking of DR and Philippines being neck and neck though. Back in March me and my girl were at a resort in Moalboal, Philippines. We were in the pool late in the afternoon when the lady came around to take our order for dinner. I told her that I would just have a grilled cheese. She told me that they don't have grilled cheese; they only have grilled ham and cheese. Nothing that I said would convince this girl if they just didn't put the fucking ham on it then it would be a grilled cheese.

Has anyone found any new spots that we haven't discovered yet? I am talking about, any new cities that we should be looking at that might be coming up. We are looking for those hidden gems that don't see the rush of tourist. Give the brothers a holla if you know of a town or city that is worth mentioning. The two I have been hearing about lately are Monti Cristi and San Cristobal, time for fresh women my brothers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1974524]The shit I can't figure out (and they can't either because I have asked) is why they never have fucking towels. It seems the two go hand in hand; hotel-towels. But this is not the case in Dominican run hotels. [/QUOTE]Believe it or not, it is quite common for guests to steal towels from hotels, and in Sosua it would not surprise me if chicas helped themselves to a towel or two. Having said that, I don't think I have EVER had a hotel room in Sosua with no towels, except possibly at Calypso, and ever there they will give them if you ask.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1974532]Believe it or not, it is quite common for guests to steal towels from hotels, and in Sosua it would not surprise me if chicas helped themselves to a towel or two. Having said that, I don't think I have EVER had a hotel room in Sosua with no towels, except possibly at Calypso, and ever there they will give them if you ask.[/QUOTE]I have never been towel less in 8 years, but there's a little game the maids play, told to me by my GFE who's relatives work in the larger hotels, like Casa Marina or Terra Linda.

When they come in to do the room, they take out the old towels, so you often find a clean room with no towels. They bring the towels later, doubling the chances of someone being in the room and offering a propina. For someone making as little as 5 or 6 bucks a day, this can be quite lucrative. Some guest can be very generous.

My simple way of getting around this is to tip the ladies up front and tell them firmly with a smile, that you want mucho towels, claro?. If you treat them well, not only will they make sure you always have clean towels, they will, if asked, even take away and launder and fold your washables, socks, T shirts, shorts, pants, underwear, so you can travel a little lighter. They'll even give you an extra key card for the auto AC so that it stays on when you are out!

Now, don't jump all over this about your "rights" as a guest. If you want to make a federal case out of it, it's OK, its your vacation. This advice is obviously not for you!

But I travel eeeeeasy!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1974754]I have never been towel less in 8 years, but there's a little game the maids play, told to me by my GFE who's relatives work in the larger hotels, like Casa Marina or Terra Linda.

When they come in to do the room, they take out the old towels, so you often find a clean room with no towels. They bring the towels later, doubling the chances of someone being in the room and offering a propina. For someone making as little as 5 or 6 bucks a day, this can be quite lucrative. Some guest can be very generous.

My simple way of getting around this is to tip the ladies up front and tell them firmly with a smile, that you want mucho towels, claro?. If you treat them well, not only will they make sure you always have clean towels, they will, if asked, even take away and launder and fold your washables, socks, T shirts, shorts, pants, underwear, so you can travel a little lighter. They'll even give you an extra key card for the auto AC so that it stays on when you are out!

Now, don't jump all over this about your "rights" as a guest. If you want to make a federal case out of it, it's OK, its your vacation. This advice is obviously not for you!

But I travel eeeeeasy I have never ever been to a hotel room in any country where there were no towels.

(2) If I don't tip anyone else I always tip housekeeping staff in hotels.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1974105] Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends.[/QUOTE]Girls in packs: good or bad? Please explain, because in some places a group of girls can be good.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1974897]Girls in packs: good or bad? Please explain, because in some places a group of girls can be good.[/QUOTE]Maybe not what OldKool meant, but chicas when in a group can be less likely to agree a lower price or agree to "extras" being included in front of their friends.

Another point is that chicas in packs are more likely to be regular putas as it takes some time to get accepted. Chicas fresh to Sosua are more likely to be in pairs.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1974917]Maybe not what OldKool meant, but chicas when in a group can be less likely to agree a lower price or agree to "extras" being included in front of their friends.

Another point is that chicas in packs are more likely to be regular putas as it takes some time to get accepted. Chicas fresh to Sosua are more likely to be in pairs.[/QUOTE]Thanks! That makes perfect sense. Contrary to what most might think, prostitutes do seem to care what their colleagues and peers on the street think of them. I came across this recently in Thailand: the Asian concept of "face" applies to working girls, as well. They don't want their peers to hear them accepting a lowball offer or going off with a poorly groomed customer, unless they are being paid a premium price for accepting his shabbiness.

So when in Sosua, is it a good strategy to try and hit on loners, if you are trying to negotiate?

Going to Santiago / Sosua in January, looking for some fellow mongers to hang out with exchange stories, advice etc.

Thanks.

When my daughter was small, I used to bring some clothes, she had grown out, with me and gave them to the mucama who cleaned my room. I always had enoug towels and most importantly had my room cleaned exactly when I wanted it to be cleaned. Now I'm going to bring some shoes and sneakers I have used only coupled times and other stuff I don't use anymore to give these people. They have always somebody in their family who is grateful and in need for them.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1974993]When my daughter was small, I used to bring some clothes, she had grown out, with me and gave them to the mucama who cleaned my room. I always had enoug towels and most importantly had my room cleaned exactly when I wanted it to be cleaned. Now I'm going to bring some shoes and sneakers I have used only coupled times and other stuff I don't use anymore to give these people. They have always somebody in their family who is grateful and in need for them.[/QUOTE]I used to take an old extra suitcase down there with me, containing collected and donated new and used clothing, toys, old cell phones, caps and stuff.

They would go crazy and fight over it.

It was well worth lugging that suitcase all the way there.

Over the years (and not just in Sosua) I noticed that unless the stuff was brand new, or had a designer label, they weren't as interested, so I stopped taking that extra suitcase.

Things must be getting better in the DR!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1974105]You will have a great time. Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends, [/QUOTE]I think what Olski means is girls in a pack are subject to be more devious. They're like a group of hyenas. They are more likely to scheme to rob you. Or rush you on a session to hurry and get back with their pack. They can be like vultures looking 4 weak victims to exploit. The more serious girl is solo or has a girlfriend accompany her. And watch out if they come to you with big purses. It may be empty when you meet them, but when she leaves your room it can be filled with whatever she can get her hands on.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1975120]I think what Olski means is girls in a pack are subject to be more devious. They're like a group of hyenas. They are more likely to scheme to rob you. Or rush you on a session to hurry and get back with their pack. They can be like vultures looking 4 weak victims to exploit. The more serious girl is solo or has a girlfriend accompany her. And watch out if they come to you with big purses. It may be empty when you meet them, but when she leaves your room it can be filled with whatever she can get her hands on.[/QUOTE]Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.

In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.

I fly into SD and save $200 on flight over POP. I get in around 2 and have plenty of time to do the city. I arrange a meeting with a young lady who is with my program. We go to the mall see a movie and a bite to eat and back for some rack time. The sex takes the edge off so I have some resistance to the Sosua chicas. I take an early Bus so I am in Sosua by lunch time.
Another subject, Whatsap has video now. A big cheasted Haitian girl I know gave me an awesome masturbation show. What a way t start your morning


[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975302]Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.

In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975302]Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.[/QUOTE]I am afraid that GrownMan is dead serious. As a matter of fact, what he posted should be placed in the ROD thread. Sosua is a different animal than other places you may have mongered.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975302]Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.

In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.[/QUOTE]It's possible among all of the trip reports here in the Sosua forum, not much dialogue has been provided / exchanged on chica behaviors and their social network. Partly because enough board members here have a tendency to claim such discussions other than find, fuck and dump, is making things too complicated. Of course it's not really complicated. It's useful information.

What Grownman, Charles Pooter and Mr E provided are things a monger should be aware of. Your response to Grownmans post suggests that you may be skeptical of what he said? If so, why?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975302]Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.

In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.[/QUOTE]The thing about the girls in a pack might or might not be true. They may be a kin group of sisters and cousins, or a group of girls who have traveled on the bus to Sosua together to give each other moral support and have not yet split down into pairs. It is actually much easier to effectively conspire to defraud people working as a pair than as a group. The lone chica is probably more self confident and cannot be trusted either.

The thing about the large purses likewise. They might indeed carry large bags so they can steal more stuff, or alternatively they might just be carrying a change of clothing. Often the things that are of most value to steal are small items like cell phones and cameras, but televisions and hotel curtains not so much so.

Any time you meet a chica, you need to do due diligence as best you can to determine what kind of a person she is and lock up your valuables anyway, or better still don't have any.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1975501]
Any time you meet a chica, you need to do due diligence as best you can to determine what kind of a person she is and lock up your valuables anyway, or better still don't have any.[/QUOTE]It's amazing that punters still leave their valuables sitting out to tempt the putas. First, don't bring anything too valuable on your trip. Second, lock everything up before you leave the room. Finally, when you return to the room empty your pockets into the safe, including the cash for the girl.

I don't care if she steals the hotel's remotes, it's inconvenient but not crucial. However, I don't want to lose my passport, wallet, cards, phone, camera, devices, etc. Anything like that should be in the safe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975332]I am afraid that GrownMan is dead serious. As a matter of fact, what he posted should be placed in the ROD thread. Sosua is a different animal than other places you may have mongered.[/QUOTE]Really?

For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?

I wouldn't want newbies to get the wrong idea!

C'mon down! Sosua is cheap, there's lots of good pussy to be had, friendly locals, and it's safer than my hometown (and I'm and older gent, who's mostly travelled alone). Just watch out for crazy motoconcho drivers.

Seems dissing Sosua is no longer working for the losers and disenchanted. We now have to have "fake news". :)

(of course, leaving your Rolex and bankroll out in full view of a hooker while you are in the bathroom taking a crap, is never a good idea, even in the "next level" brothels like Columbia, Cuba and Thai)

At most petty crimes are committed and I think these are rare. You may get a bate and switch on price and this can be handled. Why some guys hate on Sosua is a mystery to me. The place is a monger layup. Everything accessible and cheap. I have zero complaints. The idea of bands of chicas stongarming guys is a joke.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975515]Really?

For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?

I wouldn't want newbies to get the wrong idea!

C'mon down! Sosua is cheap, there's lots of good pussy to be had, friendly locals, and it's safer than my hometown (and I'm and older gent, who's mostly travelled alone). Just watch out for crazy motoconcho drivers.

Seems dissing Sosua is no longer working for the losers and disenchanted. We now have to have "fake news". :)

(of course, leaving your Rolex and bankroll out in full view of a hooker while you are in the bathroom taking a crap, is never a good idea, even in the "next level" brothels like Columbia, Cuba and Thai)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1975530]At most petty crimes are committed and I think these are rare. You may get a bate and switch on price and this can be handled. Why some guys hate on Sosua is a mystery to me. The place is a monger layup. Everything accessible and cheap. I have zero complaints. The idea of bands of chicas stongarming guys is a joke.[/QUOTE]You got that right!

These are guys who mostly have been bragging about getting it for free, or they have moved on to "another level" of mongering, have left the scene, or want to move out.

I'm happy for them, and wish them luck!

There are plenty of other forums (Cuba, Columbia, Thai) where they can circle jerk over their superior hookers, but it seems they want to bring it here to tell us how smart they are, and how dumb we are for "not knowing any different".

They want to drop their pants and do a dump in the middle of our party.

I'll tell you how bad it is, even my old adversary the negative expert himself, Wrexxy, is getting pissed off with them.

(I could almost swear he is reposting my old arguments. I see some very familiar lines in his recent posts. But it's all good!)

Just, remember, like hookers they always come crawling back!

Same time next year?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975546]You got that right!

These are guys who mostly have been bragging about getting it for free, or they have moved on to "another level" of mongering, have left the scene, or want to move out.

I'm happy for them, and wish them luck!

There are plenty of other forums (Cuba, Columbia, Thai) where they can circle jerk over their superior hookers, but it seems they want to bring it here to tell us how smart they are, and how dumb we are for "not knowing any different".

They want to drop their pants and do a dump in the middle of our party.

I'll tell you how bad it is, even my old adversary the negative expert himself, Wrexxy, is getting pissed off with them.

(I could almost swear he is reposting my old arguments. I see some very familiar lines in his recent posts. But it's all good!)

Just, remember, like hookers they always come crawling back!

Same time next year?[/QUOTE]What profiteth it a man if he has all the free sex he can use, but can't get a towel when he pays for the room?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975515]Really?

For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?[/QUOTE]Neither have I. And even though you have placed quotes those are not the words that GrownMan wrote that I agreed with. So who is it that you are quoting?

So what you are saying is that a chick in Sosua has never tried to rip you off? Because I seem to remember a report that you posted where one did. And didn't some chick come up and steal food from Old Kool's plate? Where do they do that besides Sosua? Friends of mine have definitely had things stolen such as camera, ipod, and money by Sosua chicks. Who wrote the report of a Sosua chick even trying to steal the coins he had?

Are you going to get some pussy in Sosua? Of course you are. But a lot of times getting pussy in Sosua will come with the headace that it does not come with in most other known mongering places. But again, the Sosua defenders would not know that. They may think it is normal because they do not know other mongering locations. So to them Sosua is the holy grail and can do no wrong. They want you to believe there are no pitfalls to be aware of in Sosua. Just go there, fuck all you want with no problems at all, and go back home until the next trip to paradise.

I think there is a youtube link on ISG proper of a chick in Sosua attempting to steal money from a monger. It should not be hard to find if you are really interested.

And do tell what fucking normal women for free has to do with the known antics of Sosua hookers. Everytime I call out their shit you throw that up as if it is going to make their bullshit nonexistent.

Leche papi leche. Those are the words you will hear when a Sosua chick is trying to rush the job and get back to her pack on the strip. And remember not to agree on an amount of time because no matter what it was once you have cum once then that time has expired in her eyes but full payment (if not with tip) is still expected.

Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975594]


Leche papi leche. Those are the words you will hear when a Sosua chick is trying to rush the job and get back to her pack on the strip. And remember not to agree on an amount of time because no matter what it was once you have cum once then that time has expired in her eyes but full payment (if not with tip) is still expected.

Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?[/QUOTE]Yes, but you are a guy who cannot even get towels in a hotel in Sosua, so your mileage may vary from what other people have experienced. I have had chicas make home made cough medicine for me when I was sick and not even ask for money, but you cannot get a towel in a hotel.

You will find dishonesty wherever you go. For example in the US it is often on the part of corporations with stack of lawyers. For example you sign up for a cell phone contract and find they have added $20 per month on for "insurance" without telling you until you examine your bill closely. And people are TAUGHT in business school to pull this kind of shit. So of course in a prostitution environment anywhere in the world you are going to encounter occasional dishonesty. And then the strip clubs in the US want men to PAY for admission, lap dances and grossly overpriced drinks, or so I have heard.

Yes, you might encounter some girls who are asking for "leche papi" without giving you a decent fuck, but then you also have guys who take Viagra and can't climax and want to keep trying until the girl is sore, so there is always another side to the story. Don't believe everything you hear.

Sosua is cheap and cheerful, has a decent beach and restaurants, excellent food, economical hotels and public transportation, and is close to the East coast of the US, and you can meet large numbers of women and have them grind on you and flirt with you without paying a cent, and if you want sex that is available too at a reasonable price. If they don't perform in the bedroom, you can always throw them back and find a better one. Another benefit of Sosua is that you can meet a large number of attractive Haitian women without having to stay in Haiti. So clearly Sosua has a lot of attractive features as a vacation destination for single men.

OK, maybe it is better in Pattaya or Medellin, but they are not 2 hours from NYC or Miami.

And here is a link to a story about a western man found with his throat slit in Thailand. No word on whether his iphone was taken. [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4045134/Western-man-dead-Samae-Beach-Thailand.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975594]
Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?[/QUOTE]No, not at all, but that's YOUR experience.

We can arrange towels, and find good pussy. WE don't get mobbed by hoards of giant tote bag carrying putas.

WE know how to get value for our money!

But we still love to hear how you get fucked up down there. It's all info for the board :)

(For the record, while waiting for my regular GFE to show up I took a mouth watering 10 back to the Terra Linda. The sex was so fucking amazing I told her so. I could have married that body. So now she wants a propina, and she won't leave til she gets one. A thousand?

After two fake phone calls from me to "security" (Willie at TL who was laughing) she settled for 400 pesos, which in all fairness I would have given her anyway, for a repeat. No drama, no fight, no politur, no enemies on the strip, no waking up half the hotel with a shouting match.

That's in 8 years.)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975594]Neither have I. And even though you have placed quotes those are not the words that GrownMan wrote that I agreed with. So who is it that you are quoting?[/QUOTE]He aint quoting nobody. He isn't disagreeing either. The only thing he can do, is distort the context of what was provided and then make an argument against his own distortion, Then he attacks the distortion he created and make it seem like that's somebody else's POV.

[QUOTE]Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?[/QUOTE]Nope., not at all.

This is what I was going to post.

Understanding and knowing an environment and what CAN happen or it's potentials, is not about hating on Sosua. It's about being aware. What good is telling people all of the good stuff and not also provide feedback and insight of things that one should be aware of? Also nobody is disputing the frequency or infrequency of when petty shit happens. Just that it is important to know.

Here's one example of how some chicas in packs can work to exploit a monger. A dude invites a chica out somewhere. Maybe to the beach or to a restaurant. In some instances, a chica provides the opportunity for her comrades to invite themselves to be in her company with her date. Suddenly the man finds himself, with company he never asked for. These women are not dumb.

They know quite often they might be able to get a guy to offer to feed or provide drinks for his chicas friends. They will sit there all hot, bothered, bored, hungry and thirsty. And not spend any of their own money. Hoping that man may eventually offer to feed them or hydrate them. Thats one example of chicas rolling together trying to exploit a dude.

Another example, is a guy with a chica in a restaurant, and his company invites her comrades over, who happen to be passing by to let them feed off of the mans plate. I witnessed both scenarios play out with a few guys.

As for chicas carrying large purses. Yes for enough chicas carrying large purses can be for the purpose of having a change of clothes, makeup and toiletries. And at the same time, a large purse can give chicas the opportunity to steal some items some guys never thought a chica might value.

His dirty designer underwear / clothes, razors, kitchen knives, cologne, toothpaste, soap, his toiletries / condoms, non prescription medicine, phone chargers, cigarettes and lighters, food, his alcohol etc. I have received reports from enough mongers on these types of petty thefts.

These are some of the things that people seldom think they need to secure along with their valuables. But some chicas find value in these things. It doesn't matter what it is, nobody wants shit taken from them. And for the record, a chica doesn't need a large purse if she intends to steal or an opportunity presents itself.

In fact not having a large purse, makes it harder to suspect her of stealing, since it's not going to be easy trying to find the item if it is concealed on her person or she hid it somewhere to get later.

Shit not only is it important for mongers to protect themselves, chicas have to protect themselves from each other. It's not uncommon to hear stories of chicas stealing from each other in their rooms and hotels, and doing all sorts of sneaky shit behind another chicas back.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1975612]Yes, but you are a guy who cannot even get towels in a hotel in Sosua, so your mileage may vary from what other people have experienced.[/QUOTE]And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1973263]If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently. Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.[/QUOTE]I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1975612]You will find dishonesty wherever you go.[/QUOTE]That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.

So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1975486]What Grownman, Charles Pooter and Mr E provided are things a monger should be aware of. Your response to Grownmans post suggests that you may be skeptical of what he said? If so, why?[/QUOTE]Why? Because people can tend to engage in some friendly word play on this forum. Sometimes the posts are tongue in cheek and if Grownman was being satirical I would say he was pretty funny. And I'm cool with that. If he was giving serious advice, I will definitely heed it. Hey, if people are just having a little fun, I'm not going to rain on your parade. At least the guys here on this forum seem to have a lot of fun! And they seem to love Sousa. So, nobody needs to get upset if I fool around a bit, as well. Okay?

Checked airfare from DFW to SDQ and it is under $400 on Delta. Dang! A real airline. Anyways, I want to thank you guys for your input.

To OldKool: the price difference between SDQ and POP is between $400 and $500 from where I live (Dallas / Ft. Worth) and is more than a ticker to Asia. So its a no-brainier to fly into SDQ unless I can find an odd bargain to POP on Priceline like I saw once for a few seconds ($350 RT).

To Oakie: you do have a valid point about participants on the other forums. Sousa sounds like the next stop this winter.

To Frannie: Your advice about cash and valuables is good advice. But, I never take "valuables" with me anyways and generally don't carry anything I can't afford to lose. The most expensive thing I take with me is my clothes, which are generally pretty nice (I tend to dress well as a matter of habit. No Rolex though).

I came down with a good 3-point game plan for cash allotment in Thailand. Basically I do a "triage" with my cash and cards that goes like this.

Bundle A: what goes in your pocket, for the evenings expenses (drinks, dinner, transportation). This is a good way to budget.

Bundle be: payment for the girl you bring back to your room. This is set aside in some discrete location that is easy to access, when you need to pay the girl for her services. It also helps you budget and set a negotiation point, because your fixed maximum amount has been set aside. By discrete location, I mean I have found some interesting places to stash cash where your chambermaid would not likely look, even if it is right under her nose.

Bundle see: The money you won't spend that evening (and can't afford to lose) goes in the safe. If all goes well, you shouldn't need to open the safe until the next day.

Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975643]And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.

I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.

That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.

So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.[/QUOTE]International I got love for you you travel a lot more places than I ever will so you feel how you feel. I do not hate sosua but it has fallen off and that is how I feel. Does not mean I am better than no one if I go other places. But, let it be clear if I come in and I do not like the music in classico I get it changed because I want people to have fun. Now, why is that because people know I expect things to pop when I am in the club and I do it throughout the DR and for everybody that swears by sosua how come you cannot do that because you cannot. They do not know who you are and I tell the powers to be things have to change here it has fallen off and they say your right what do we do. People respect when your honest and speak from your heart, but not hear something always wrong with you. That simple and I hate on no one but I be damn if people hate and they cannot change shit. Everybody can sit behind a computer and put people down, but I respect the people who can walk into town and make it happen. I know I can. Do you International.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975645]Why? Because people can tend to engage in some friendly word play on this forum. Sometimes the posts are tongue in cheek and if Grownman was being satirical I would say he was pretty funny. And I'm cool with that. If he was giving serious advice, I will definitely heed it.

Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.[/QUOTE]Like Mr Enternational advised you, he was serious. And since your comment, you received some feedback with some examples.

Your last question, was is it normal to pay before or after the deed is done? Don't be fooled by chicas telling you they got stiffed by guys in the past, and now require your payment upfront. It's always pay after services are rendered. Also if in doubt, it might be a good idea to type out the agreed price on your phone, to reduce the chance of her claiming a different price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975643]And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.

I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.

That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.

So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.[/QUOTE]Here we go again.

Sosua is one big brothel!, OK, sorry, it is a Sex Destination! OK, sorry it is beach town with good restaurants.

Now I'm trying not offend anyone here, as you can see!

But if you go for the sex, you must be aware that taking a strange third world puta back to your room could be a risk.

Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,

But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.

In my city prostitution is illegal and is mostly done through outcalls an incalls. The proceedure sometimes requires you to go across to an unfamiliar part of town, phone and get new directions. The risk of a rip off in a dimly lit apartment building or a dark parking lot, is always there, and bait and switch is not only high, but the norm. You might hit a good one but they are always on the move, so little chance for a regular. If you are ripped of you can't go to the cops or they'll arrest you!

Over the years I've traveled a lot all over NA (37 States) Europe (14 countries) Mexico, Caribbean, and all the Islands except Cuba and Jamaica. I've sampled the local offerings. I can tell you, getting laid in Sosua is the cheapest, easiest, safest thing in the world, little crime, no pimps, no STDs and if you like the dark shades, the best pussy anywhere I've been. Now if you want to spend more time and money, I daresay Brazil, and Columbia and Thailand may be more to your, liking and that's fine.

But I'm here in Sosua, and I ain't going nowhere! No need! I got everything I want right here!

You can just point, chat and go, the room is right around the corner, point, chat and go, repeat! And/or you can get a long term regular GFE

(At least I can, but YMMV)

So for some of us, Sosua really is a mongers paradise. Not only that, it is a fun place to party and vacation.

I actually feel more comfortable there than at home.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975645]
Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.[/QUOTE]Pay afterwards. Yes, electronics are expensive. Something like a small rechargeable Bluetooth speaker might be cheap and appreciated and would cost a lot more in the DR, and unlocked 3 g phones maybe. Cash is always a popular gift. Or a recharge card for Orange or Claro. I would not waste a lot of energy looking for gifts.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1975667]Pay afterwards. Yes, electronics are expensive. Something like a small rechargeable Bluetooth speaker might be cheap and appreciated and would cost a lot more in the DR, and unlocked 3 g phones maybe. Cash is always a popular gift. Or a recharge card for Orange or Claro. I would not waste a lot of energy looking for gifts.[/QUOTE]This is a just a comment on my preferences and track record in Sosua. It is not a recommendation for, or even less a criticism of, anyone else's practices.

Some guys like the regular putas, the professionals who make little pretense this is not their full-time occupation. They claim their performance is more skilled and they are more likely to provide any kinky extras required. This is no doubt true, at least for one-off meetings.

I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. These chicas want cash, not electronics or fashion clothes or accessories). If you give them the latter items they will smile sweetly and be ever so grateful, and next morning sell them for a quarter of their value in the DR (half their value in the USA).

If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc). Frannie's suggestion of phone "minutes" is also good, though only if they have nearly run out. If they have loads on their phone they will surely waste them.

Always pay afterwards. In fact, if a chica had the nerve to ask me for cash upfront I would immediately drop her. It is vital to establish who is in the driving seat from the first minute. It is a buyer's market, especially these days.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1975675]
I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. These chicas want cash, not electronics or fashion clothes or accessories). If you give them the latter items they will smile sweetly and be ever so grateful, and next morning sell them for a quarter of their value in the DR (half their value in the USA).

If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc). Frannie's suggestion of phone "minutes" is also good, though only if they have nearly run out. If they have loads on their phone they will surely waste them..[/QUOTE]Excellent advice as usual Charles. Cash is king, but if you feel the urge to do something extra for a regular / keeper / repeater you could spend an hour with her in Playera and let her pick up toiletries, cremes, toothpaste, babystuff, powder and other stuff she may not have at home. Same as cash, but she chooses it, and it's a human touch, where it is appreciated.

You could get more bang for you your buck, and increased credits, but beware of being domesticated :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975661]Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,
But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.[/QUOTE]Well stated and I completely agree.

For me, having traveled Asia for a long time, two things stand out in favor of the DR (not necessarily Sosua) - the proximity of its geography and ease of the language. In Thailand or Indonesia or Taipei or Burma or Vietnam or Korea (definitely less so in Singapore and Malaysia), the girls could barely go beyond "ficki ficki". In the DR, I can have a sensible conversation like everyday people and the place is a 4 hour flight from where I am. The local prices are excellent, the food is International plus local and good quality, if you can overlook fried chicken. (I don't think much of Filipino food, sorry!) I even had women prepare chivo for me and bring it to hotel.

Germany is probably the safest and easiest of all places (London is good though as is Aus / NZ) but you certainly do not get what I can get in the DR. Pulling people off the streets (now Gogo says, Cuba is special as is Colombia. Of which I do not know anything). Most places that I know of, around the globe are fish bowls or Internet ads these days, just no comparison compared to the DR.

The risk one is speaking of is much higher in the land I live (both the legal hazards and health) - if one cannot handle Sosua, one needs to take a second look at oneself or as some do, travel in group. After all, like the women in Sosua, there is safety in numbers!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1975675] If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc).

Always pay afterwards. In fact, if a chica had the nerve to ask me for cash upfront I would immediately drop her. [/QUOTE]Very sensible advice.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975690]Excellent advice as usual Charles. Cash is king, but if you feel the urge to do something extra for a regular / keeper / repeater you could spend an hour with her in Playera and let her pick up toiletries, cremes, toothpaste, babystuff, powder and other stuff she may not have at home. Same as cash, but she chooses it, and it's a human touch, where it is appreciated.

You could get more bang for you your buck, and increased credits, but beware of being domesticated :)[/QUOTE]Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.

I could not agree more. Banging fresh 19 year old pussy for 35 bucks is a thing of beauty.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975661]Here we go again.

Sosua is one big brothel!, OK, sorry, it is a Sex Destination! OK, sorry it is beach town with good restaurants.

Now I'm trying not offend anyone here, as you can see!

But if you go for the sex, you must be aware that taking a strange third world puta back to your room could be a risk.

Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,

But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.

In my city prostitution is illegal and is mostly done through outcalls an incalls. The proceedure sometimes requires you to go across to an unfamiliar part of town, phone and get new directions. The risk of a rip off in a dimly lit apartment building or a dark parking lot, is always there, and bait and switch is not only high, but the norm. You might hit a good one but they are always on the move, so little chance for a regular. If you are ripped of you can't go to the cops or they'll arrest you!

Over the years I've traveled a lot all over NA (37 States) Europe (14 countries) Mexico, Caribbean, and all the Islands except Cuba and Jamaica. I've sampled the local offerings. I can tell you, getting laid in Sosua is the cheapest, easiest, safest thing in the world, little crime, no pimps, no STDs and if you like the dark shades, the best pussy anywhere I've been. Now if you want to spend more time and money, I daresay Brazil, and Columbia and Thailand may be more to your, liking and that's fine.

But I'm here in Sosua, and I ain't going nowhere! No need! I got everything I want right here!

You can just point, chat and go, the room is right around the corner, point, chat and go, repeat! And/or you can get a long term regular GFE

(At least I can, but YMMV)

So for some of us, Sosua really is a mongers paradise. Not only that, it is a fun place to party and vacation.

I actually feel more comfortable there than at home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975701]Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.[/QUOTE]Yes it's absolutely true that some Sosua chicas will try you on for size, just as it is true that some vendors on the beach will be aggressive in their sales pitch as you pass buy, and the free lunch condo salesmen will try to get you into conversation. They are good at profiling their marks.

I walk the beach everyday I'm down there, and have never once been hassled. A polite but firm no with a smile tells the chair chicos they are wasting their time, but if you go stand in front of the little band with your chica and watch her dance, pet the monkey or say hola to the parrot, you will be targeted. Likewise accepting an invitation to browse the beach art, have your photo taken with the iguana, or look through his T shirt collection without buying. Likewise stopping to see what a street corner tout is trying to sell you. Responding to "Hola, my friend, where you from?" from a stranger on the street is NOT likely to result in a lifetime friendhip. LOL

But I see so many newbies doing this stuff, they seem to enjoy it as part of their "local experience" it is not hard to see why some are pestered and not others.

It is YOUR behavior that gets you targeted, so just look around and figure out why it's YOU and not the regular that has to deal with this stuff.

If you can't blend in (attitude, dress, eye contact, body language) after a while, you'll have trouble travelling anywhere in the world. Sosua is no different.

As for the women, I always go back to this newbie Jerry guy, who latched on to me and my GF at the hotel. He asked if he could join our party at the bar. Sure!

So he's there and this old regular puta is sitting beside him feeling him up and showing him her stuff. All of a sudden drinks are spilled and she calls him something bad and walks off.

I asked him what the problem was. He's says, "Can you believe it, she asked me for milk money for the baby, I just met her!, I thought she was OK because she was with you guys!" So this guy fucks up and blames me :) I guess he thought she had fallen in love with him, or something.

That was the end of Jerry!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1975701]Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.[/QUOTE]NOT will badger you for more money. "CAN" badger you for more money. None of the advice you have been offered on some of the negatives is meant for you to take it as automatic. As if you WILL experience / observe these things. Or all chicas / girls operate and think the same. That is not how you should embrace this feedback. Granted you may not have received a comprehensive list, of precautionary measures. A lot of things will depend on you getting there and figuring some things out for yourself. It's a good thing to have an experienced wing man (of an area) to hang with.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1975698]Well stated and I completely agree.

For me, having traveled Asia for a long time, two things stand out in favor of the DR (not necessarily Sosua) - the proximity of its geography and ease of the language. In Thailand or Indonesia or Taipei or Burma or Vietnam or Korea (definitely less so in Singapore and Malaysia), the girls could barely go beyond "ficki ficki". In the DR, I can have a sensible conversation like everyday people and the place is a 4 hour flight from where I am. The local prices are excellent, the food is International plus local and good quality, if you can overlook fried chicken. (I don't think much of Filipino food, sorry!) I even had women prepare chivo for me and bring it to hotel.

Germany is probably the safest and easiest of all places (London is good though as is Aus / NZ) but you certainly do not get what I can get in the DR. Pulling people off the streets (now Gogo says, Cuba is special as is Colombia. Of which I do not know anything). Most places that I know of, around the globe are fish bowls or Internet ads these days, just no comparison compared to the DR.

The risk one is speaking of is much higher in the land I live (both the legal hazards and health) - if one cannot handle Sosua, one needs to take a second look at oneself or as some do, travel in group. After all, like the women in Sosua, there is safety in numbers![/QUOTE]A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975965]A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.[/QUOTE]I am interested in Colombia (and Peru) so tell me something: could you get to speak to regular women on the street (that is, are they approachable and friendly enough to try and initiate a conversation) and get lucky at times? This to me is a big thing as anyone can go to a casa or pick up someone plying her trade on the street / bar.

The second question: what aspect of safety in Colombia is something that you are not comfortable with vis a vis the D. R?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975965]A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. [/QUOTE]That's funny because I am certain I read somewhere on this forum, someone said the Dominican girls gave better service than the Colombians. Reading forums like this, it is funny how opinions can change so quickly.

I believe it was on the old WSG back in the 90's, after mongers had discovered Colombia, the popular opinion was that Brazil was a rip-off and Colombia was now the place to be in South America. Not long ago here on the Colombian forums, some posters were opining that Colombian girls were inferior and Brazil is where the best women and best service is to be found.

Methinks this might not be a matter of fact, but merely subjective after all. Myself, I loved the Colombian girls and would like to go back for another poke at them. But, in bed they were the least exciting that I've encountered. Only one of the four I sessioned with, would allow kissing and the the blowjobs were always covered except in one instance.

The German freelancers I had experienced last year had a level of professionalism in regards to service that made them worth the premium. The Thai freelancers I was humping only a few weeks ago were among the most passionate prostitutes I have ever been with. So, I am ready to give the Dominican girls a shot. Why not?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1975675]

I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. [/QUOTE]These are the same chicas I look for. A lot of the differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men. The women who don't interest me are virtually invisible to me, so I may not be aware of their behavior, and the same may apply to other men. So what is very apparent and a source of great annoyance to one person, may be quite unapparent to someone else who never even glances at the type of chicas under discussion.

In similar vein, some may say that there are few attractive chicas in Sosua, or many ugly ones, but for me, if I find one out of 50 attractive and personable, then I am perfectly happy. I also find that attractiveness relates much more to personality traits than physical perfection. Of course I like a shapely body, long legs, smooth skin, soft lips, good teeth, bright eyes, a great smile, a musical voice, but not all of these qualities have to be combined into a single package for attraction to occur.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975965]A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. [/QUOTE]I have never been to Colombia, but seeing from photographs, I don't see it. The claim that chicas in Colombia are more attractive than Domicanas often seems to come down to saying that they are on average lighter skinned, or are the black Colombian girls also more attractive?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1975880]It is YOUR behavior that gets you targeted, so just look around and figure out why it's YOU and not the regular that has to deal with this stuff.

If you can't blend in (attitude, dress, eye contact, body language) after a while, you'll have trouble travelling anywhere in the world. Sosua is no different.

As for the women, I always go back to this newbie Jerry guy, who latched on to me and my GF at the hotel. He asked if he could join our party at the bar. Sure!

So he's there and this old regular puta is sitting beside him feeling him up and showing him her stuff. All of a sudden drinks are spilled and she calls him something bad and walks off.

I asked him what the problem was. He's says, "Can you believe it, she asked me for milk money for the baby, I just met her!, I thought she was OK because she was with you guys!" So this guy fucks up and blames me :) I guess he thought she had fallen in love with him, or something.

That was the end of Jerry![/QUOTE]Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1976105]I am interested in Colombia (and Peru) so tell me something: could you get to speak to regular women on the street (that is, are they approachable and friendly enough to try and initiate a conversation) and get lucky at times? This to me is a big thing as anyone can go to a casa or pick up someone plying her trade on the street / bar.

The second question: what aspect of safety in Colombia is something that you are not comfortable with vis a vis the D. R?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Colombian chicas are no less approachable than Dominicans; moderate conversational Spanish is important.

When I'm in the DR I walk around cities at night with no concerns. I have walked Medellin at night but my spidy sense tingles and word on the Medellin forum is that El Centro at night is dangerous.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1976121]I have never been to Colombia, but seeing from photographs, I don't see it. The claim that chicas in Colombia are more attractive than Domicanas often seems to come down to saying that they are on average lighter skinned, or are the black Colombian girls also more attractive?[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I have been banging Dominicans and Colombians for decades and my preference is for Colombians. Very good question re black Colombians vs black Dominicans, I have sessioned perhaps a hundred times more black Dominicans than black Colombians so I don't think I can give a helpful answer.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1976117]That's funny because I am certain I read somewhere on this forum, someone said the Dominican girls gave better service than the Colombians. Reading forums like this, it is funny how opinions can change so quickly.

I believe it was on the old WSG back in the 90's, after mongers had discovered Colombia, the popular opinion was that Brazil was a rip-off and Colombia was now the place to be in South America. Not long ago here on the Colombian forums, some posters were opining that Colombian girls were inferior and Brazil is where the best women and best service is to be found.

Methinks this might not be a matter of fact, but merely subjective after all. Myself, I loved the Colombian girls and would like to go back for another poke at them. But, in bed they were the least exciting that I've encountered. Only one of the four I sessioned with, would allow kissing and the the blowjobs were always covered except in one instance.

The German freelancers I had experienced last year had a level of professionalism in regards to service that made them worth the premium. The Thai freelancers I was humping only a few weeks ago were among the most passionate prostitutes I have ever been with. So, I am ready to give the Dominican girls a shot. Why not?[/QUOTE]Regarding service the leche papi of the Dominicans makes them the worst lay for me. Brazilians are the best in the sack for me on the planet. Regarding looks my ratings are (1) Argentinians, (2) Brazilians and (3) Colombians. In German FKKs I get the best service from the German providers. I have been less impressed with the Thais than you have but I have a great time in Thailand nonetheless. The best GFE is in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1976129]Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?[/QUOTE]No, you can not blend in no matter what a bunch of expats in this forum tell you. You always be a gringo and as such a source of revenue for the locals. Don't worry about fitting in with the natives, you will be more attractive by being different and proud of it. Be discrete, don't bring unnecessary attention to yourself, don't engage in conversation with street people or vendors, don't get involved in any situation that does not directly concerns you, don't drink too much if alone, be careful with your valuables and with what you eat and you will be ok. If you are only in for a short time then SW are a must but if your stay is for 21 days or more, you should try to develop ties with girls working in bars, stores. Many are easy to get and much better as sex partners. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1976129]Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?[/QUOTE]I was talking about dress and attitude.

You can come off the plane decked out in flourescent cruisewear looking like Rodney Dangerfield in Caddy Shack, wearing a big Rolex, or you can look like the almost invisible expats shopping with their local wives in La Sirena.

"The art of dressing down".

I have stayed in towns near the Hatiian border, where there wasn't another white guy for a hundred miles. I can go to local bars and play pool and never raise an eyebrow!

Something about being comfortable in your own skin and your surroundings. It has a calming effect. Hard to describe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1975965]A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.[/QUOTE]What type of Colombian chicas are you talking about though? I'm from NYC, and we have plenty of Colombian and Dominican chicas from different parts of their respective countries, and I don't see how Colombians are any better looking. Maybe if you're talking about Sosua chicas vs Medellin chicas, but that would not be a fair comparison. Medellin is a city which is widely considered to have the best looking women in Colombia, whereas Sosua is a small town full of very poverty-stricken women trying to make a living from prostitution. I can name like 50 towns in DR with better looking women than Sosua.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1976120]These are the same chicas I look for. A lot of the differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men.The women who don't interest me are virtually invisible to me, so I may not be aware of their behavior, and the same may apply to other men. So what is very apparent and a source of great annoyance to one person, may be quite unapparent to someone else who never even glances at the type of chicas under discussion[/QUOTE]Different opinions on chica behavior stems from different tastes in women? Thats some interesting Frannyism right there. And you may be clueless of chicas behavior, unless you are interested in them personally? Amazing.

You don't give yourself much credit as a man who should be aware or knowledgeable of women's behavior without having to be personally interested in them or involved with them. Much of what I learned did not come primarily from personal experience, but from observation, and sharing intel with other men and their observations. Being interested or involved in any particular women was not required or necessary, in order to assess behavior in women.

[QUOTE]In similar vein, some may say that there are few attractive chicas in Sosua, or many ugly ones, but for me, if I find one out of 50 attractive and personable, then I am perfectly happy. I also find that attractiveness relates much more to personality traits than physical perfection. Of course I like a shapely body, long legs, smooth skin, soft lips, good teeth, bright eyes, a great smile, a musical voice, but not all of these qualities have to be combined into a single package for attraction to occur.[/QUOTE]This I concur.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1976877]Different opinions on chica behavior stems from different tastes in women? Thats some interesting Frannyism right there. And you may be clueless of chicas behavior, unless you are interested in them personally? Amazing.

You don't give yourself much credit as a man who should be aware or knowledgeable of women's behavior without having to be personally interested in them or involved with them. Much of what I learned did not come primarily from personal experience, but from observation, and sharing intel with other men and their observations. Being interested or involved in any particular women was not required or necessary, in order to assess behavior in women.

This I concur.[/QUOTE]I don't spend my time in the DR hanging out with male expats or tourists, though I do have a couple of local male friends with whom I will occasionally catch up, so I write from my own experience of interacting with Dominican and Haitian women and their families. Very few men you meet there have interesting insights into their own behavior, let alone that of others.

Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1976900]I don't spend my time in the DR hanging out with male expats or tourists, though I do have a couple of local male friends with whom I will occasionally catch up, so I write from my own experience of interacting with Dominican and Haitian women and their families. Very few men you meet there have interesting insights into their own behavior, let alone that of others.[/QUOTE]Interesting response. See, Frannie, what you wrote I didn't automatically assume your self proclaimed limited abilities of being aware of women's behavior was specific to the DR, or even mongering. Thats not a flip the switch type of mentality / ability.

If women are virtually invisible to you, unless you are interested in them personally, that is a specific and separate issue / problem. The location is irrelevant. And this?

[QUOTE]differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men[/QUOTE].

Please explain how that works? Let me offer you a little feedback. A little earlier, I gave an account to a poster on chica behavior to be aware of. It was an observation of seeing how some chicas try to take advantage of a man by bringing their friends around to help drain the mans wallet, or to feed off the man's plate.

No personal interest in those women was necessary in order for me to be aware of that behavior, and share it.. In other words, their behavior ( the women ) was not visible or invisible to me, based on my personal interest or lack thereof.. That's an example that a man ( or anyone really ) can be aware of behaviors in women/people, without personal interest being a prerequisite.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1977065]No personal interest in those women was necessary in order for me to be aware of that behavior[/QUOTE]It seems you would have to be aware of a person's behavior before you could develop any personal interest in them. Even if they are just there sitting still you would be aware of that behavior before liking them. Unless you are walking around wearing a blindfold and saying you are interested in whoever you stumble into, you are aware of their behavior before anything else develops or does not develop.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1977083]It seems you would have to be aware of a person's behavior before you could develop any personal interest in them. Even if they are just there sitting still you would be aware of that behavior before liking them. Unless you are walking around wearing a blindfold and saying you are interested in whoever you stumble into, you are aware of their behavior before anything else develops or does not develop.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course you would. If you are sexually interested in slim black women, then they are going to catch your eye a lot more than fat white women if you are in a crowded environment. If you are more interested in Haitians, your eye will filter out the Dominicans and observe more the behavior of the Haitians. On an even more macro level, a monger is more likely to have his attention drawn to the behavior of the chicas of nubile years than of the male motoconcho drivers or taxistas, or post menopausal women.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1976920]Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?[/QUOTE]Any fresh stuff rolling into town for the Christmas season?

Rumba, D'Latin, Bermuda Bar re-opened yet?

What's the new renovated Casa Valaria like? Any body recommend?

Any notable closures?

Classico busy? What's the ratio?

What's City Light's contribution to the mongering scene?

Are the cops still in street clearing mode?

Pedro still open to traffic?

Any action on the beach these days?

Anybody actually down there? ....... anybody?...... Hello,?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1977065] A little earlier, I gave an account to a poster on chica behavior to be aware of. It was an observation of seeing how some chicas try to take advantage of a man by bringing their friends around to help drain the mans wallet, or to feed off the man's plate.

[/QUOTE]You are making it sound like you are an ethologist like Lorenz or Tinbergen studying the teaching behavior of animals, for example ants will guide each other to food sources through a process called "tandem running," in which an ant will guide a companion ant to a source of food. It has been suggested that the pupil ant is able to learn this route to obtain food in the future or teach the route to other ants.

However my interpretation would be rather different. Anyone who has had children will know that they love to take morsels off daddy's plate, or to be spoon fed by mommy, so I suspect these immature young women are must making a show of dependency hoping to have their needs taken care of by "daddy", rather than constructing a Fagin-like training school for stealing food.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HazQlWgdzg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1976920]Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?[/QUOTE]Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about a couple of posts ago. Because a topic is of no interest to Mong, he believes it must be nonsense and should not be discussed by anyone, even if they are interested in it and willing to spend a few minutes a day thinking about it. He feels that his own keen sense of what is important is necessary to keep the discussion on track, however he does not say what he wants to discuss or what he thinks really matters.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1977118]You are making it sound like you are an ethologist like Lorenz or Tinbergen studying the teaching behavior of animals,
... so I suspect these immature young women are must making a show of dependency hoping to have their needs taken care of by "daddy", rather than constructing a Fagin-like training school for stealing food.
[/QUOTE]Lovely, Konrad Lorenz and Charles Dickens in the same post, thanks for that Frannie, any day that rather than the inane rant of some "mofo". LOL!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1977122]Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about a couple of posts ago. Because a topic is of no interest to Mong, he believes it must be nonsense and should not be discussed by anyone, even if they are interested in it and willing to spend a few minutes a day thinking about it. He feels that his own keen sense of what is important is necessary to keep the discussion on track, however he does not say what he wants to discuss or what he thinks really matters.[/QUOTE]He wants you to talk about your sexual exploits so he can beat off. Get him hot Frannie. Enough with the advertisements and commercial interruptions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1977156]He wants you to talk about your sexual exploits so he can beat off. Get him hot Frannie. Enough with the advertisements and commercial interruptions.[/QUOTE]I got a 10 with huge knockers in Classico last night for 250 pesos short time and pounded her for only three hours with my 11-inch tool when she started saying Papi Leche, so I kicked her out on the street naked without a dime and threw her clothes after her. On checking her tote bag, I found 11 hotel towels, an air conditioner unit, 2 condoms, a roll of toilet paper, and a packet of chewing gum. I tried to upload the closeup photos of her groin, but couldn't figure out how to make them small enough. Merry Christmas everyone!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1977148]Lovely, Konrad Lorenz and Charles Dickens in the same post, thanks for that Frannie, any day that rather than the inane rant of some "mofo". LOL![/QUOTE]I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.

She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.

I was relieved!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1977206]I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.

She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.

I was relieved![/QUOTE]The last deep conversation I had with a puta in Sosua involved her wanting to get paid a certain amount of money to come back to my room and give me a BBBJ and fuck me, and me wanting to pay her less, which she accepted because it was a fair amount and business was slow. I didn't really take notice of the size of her handbag, because I didn't plan on leaving her alone with the opportunity to fill it with my belongings and those of the hotel we were in (which, BTW, was Terra Linda). I did, however, take notice of the size of her tits, which were roughly 36 c-cups, with very nice perky brown areolas the size of 50-cent pieces.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1977206]I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.

She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.

I was relieved![/QUOTE]I hope she corrected your spelling of Sartre's name and pointed out that while atheism is central to existentialism, approximately 100% of chicas express belief in an omnipotent deity with the power to punish malefactors with eternal damnation, while simultaneously performing sexual acts that many in the church milieu would consider sinful and worthy of punishment in hell. Hence some similarities in the Sosua scene to the final scene of Sartre's play Les Mouches (The Flies) in which the protagonist Orestes renounces all guilt for the crime of killing his own mother and states that moral standards must be determined by the individual and not imposed by others.

It is the tension of this unresolved conflict that makes them good in bed.