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South America is cheaper than Germany BUT you have the issue of health as well as safety. Especially in a place like Rio, there is shitload of violent crime and robberies. At least in Germany there is plenty of law and order and most of the FKK women get health checks.
Peter,
I had my first "racial" experience when trying to visit Freudenbergstrasse 39. Now, I'm young(ish), relatively good-lokking and dressed pretty smart that night. However, I am ethnic in my origins. Can you believe my surprise when the girl told me "germans only"!
Pissed-off? You're damn right!
I dunno, RayBoy. Think about it from a girl's perspective.
I'm not playing apologist for her, but a woman should be able to fuck (or not fuck) whomever she pleases. I mean.... let's not trivialise this - to let a strange man fuck you is a very physically intrusive and emotionally sensitive occupation. So if she's not comfortable fucking a non-German man, then so be it. It could be that she is indeed prejudiced, or that she had a bad experience with your ethnic group, or whatever. It's just her loss now - the bad press will lose her some clients. Be the big man just move on - that's how I deal with racists (unless they REALLY deserve a beat down!).
Bruce, good comment.
I know it's their loss. However, we are living in the 21st centuary!
The way I read RayBoy's post, he was refused entry to the club to start with, not rejected by a particular girl he propositioned. If they won't let you into the club to start with, then I can understand why RayBoy is a bit upset. What can you say: There are racist assholes all over the world. No county, no culture can claim to be entirely clean in this regard. As far as the FKK clubs go, they can refuse entry to whoever they wish. It is indeed not fair when they single out a certain enthicity or two and bar people from entering on that basis, but what can you do? Just boycott the place and go elsewhere. It's like pubs in Britain, where landlords can refuse to serve a particular customer if they wish. That is just the way life is...
Dear RayBoy,
Very sorry to hear about your refusal entry into the club. I am an oriental and was in the club for the first time last weekend. I had no problems with entry into the club. When I was buzzed inside, a lady asked if I have been here before and I said now, the I ws kindly shown around. I was there for six hours with no problems for the ladies or the management.
It must have been an off day for the receptionist......
I'm sorry that this happens in my homecountry. Freudenbergstraße 39 is one of the clubs that is normally opened to german and dutch (male) guests only - or, let´s say, guests of western-european look. They advertise with this on their homepage (http://www/fkk40.de). The Freudenbergstraße is part of a group of clubs, that behave similar. They all can be found on this homepage.
I avoid to visit these clubs, because I´m not willing to support this policy.
From time to time, this issue is discussed in the german forums. Many guests - and women - feel irritated because of the "maladjusted" behaviour of some people from oriental or eastern-european countries.
I don´t tend to generalize bad behaviour of certain people as characteristic for all guys of the same origin. Others do. Germany is a FKK-Paradise, but it´s not a perfect country.
Rayboy,
sorry to hear about it but Freudenberg is a club that is very open about their racial policy. It says so on their home page, it says so in the newspaper, they are quite clear about it. It says German Run and for Germans only, but our friends from holland are welcome as well. On their home page guestbook a swede asks what about swedes, and they say people from northern climes are welcome, it is targeted mainly at southerners.
This club is one of the Red Carpet Clubs. About 11 clubs which all belong to the same guy. He has one club specially for people of Southern descent, called Salome. They have some clubs which have no racial bias, and some clubs which are German only. Some of the girls are making their decision of which club to work in based on that too.
The people who run Coccon and Tropicana are a little particular on letting in some nationalities (particularly turkish). In Those clubs they will definitely refuse groups of that descent entry and send them to Club ali Baba, which is also owned by the same people and set up for that clientelle.
Happy Garden also turns Turks away every now and then, usually when they come in groups or are too young.
It might not be fair, but it is the way it is. At Freudenberg 39 they are very open about it. I thought I mentioned that in the forum somewhere.
They really aren't into Political Correctness or affirmative action or any of that in Germany in General. Immigrant integration is seen as an assymilate or suffer proposal, and multi-culturalism isn't really a major thing in Germany. There are lots of immigrants, but most are Economic fledgling's from crappy countires and with little skills. It is very different from Anglo Saxen parts of the world where many of the immigrants are top tier (well educated, with decent jobs and such). The situation is similar for immigrants in France and Italy too.
If they were maybe your case would be an inteesting one to plead in front of the anti-discrimination court. fight for equality among mongers. I'll let you go to the front of the line and get all the headline coverage.
Peter
Thanks for all your comments guys. Racism does not really affect me but I feel sorry that in the 21st centuary, people are still judged on skin color rather a case-by-case basis.
Anyway, if you read my other reports, I went and had a cool time in Prague and FKK World.
Next weekend I'm looking at going to the new "golden triangle" i.e. PHG, Goldentime. Will I have the same problem Peter?
Sorry that happened to you but don't feel that Germany is really like that, because it is not.
If you read my report about a club I visited on the Dutch-German border, the German women at this club treated the black men who visited on one night like movie stars. Its called Kasteel Waterloo and they often hire a lot of young dark skinned guys, usually African and hung, to entertain their clients. In fact out of all the guys who can get laid in Germany with absolutely no money or social skills is a young, handsome black male, Arabs and Indians if they are good looking can get a lot of pussy just because they are exotic. Even Turks do well with a lot of women. Visit Bodrum, Turkey, and you will see busloads of German women hooking up with Turkish men, the weird thing is that many of these German women looking for nice young dark Turks, are the same women who usually dislike the Turks in their own country.
From my extensive experience with European women, exoticism works really well with a lot of them, they're more likely to sleep with a guy of color than a white woman from the USA. First of all Europe is not very multicultural, so an attractive guy who is non-white can do well simply for the fact that he is different from the average local guy. There was this one African American guy who made a lot of adult films in Germany, he has his own German website and its kind of funny. There was also another guy who I believe is Arab or Turkish and shows up in a lot of German porno movies. In fact I find German porno films very fascinating to watch because of the different nationalities of people in them, one particular film I remember I saw in Dolce Vita FKK in Duesseldorf, the porno featured a very dark South Asian looking guy with a beard and a lot of body hair, in very good shape porking a blonde(or was it redhead) German hardbody(but the woman was clearly a white European and the man was clearly not European). I was staring at it in amazement because American porno films are so conservative in comparison.
I've never had a problem in Prague. In fact I've bee lucky enough to go to clubs run by "not nice blokes" and are for locals only but I've somehow been allowed in.
My recent experience in Germany is a one-off. Germany is still an awesome place for the hobby.
However, see my last comment on FKK World.
German women do dig dark skinned guys, right now at this very moment a German female is probably in a resort town in Turkey getting boinked by one of the local guys. Not all German women are like this but there are a lot of adventurous ones.
Speaking of how you get treated at the door, Germans and Europeans if they don't like foreigners will let their feelings be known up front, in some ways its better than the PC charade of the US and Canada, where they play pretend, but their true feelings are hidden deep down. Trust me there is a lot more bias towards skin color in the US than in Western Europe, most of the public's views towards people and cultures are influenced heavily by the news media, just take a look at the American news media and the way people from countries that are racially different from the white majority in the US are portrayed and then watch the international news coverage on BBC or Deutsche Welle, you will see a world of difference. There was segment of Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine that focused on how the US media demonizes black males.
I had an interesting experience in Hamburg Reeperbahn, Admittedly not the best place for the hobby. I was with business colleagues on a night out.
We were all dressed like business people. I am more ethnic looking than my colleagues. I noticed the girls approached only those that were caucasian looking.
They never approached me. I know I am decent looking. I noticed they approached everybody who is "white" regardless of age or looks.
The girls were young and some quite attractive. My limited hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past.
Chorfa,
Almopst all the street girls in Hamburg are from Eastern Europe. If anyone is living in the past then it is them.
I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers. I have seen every ethnic minority imaginable as customers at clubs and in other pay sex venues in Germany. Eros centers are frequented by approximately 70% minorities. That girls have sexual preferences and experiences on which they base who they approach is understandeable. You should see how many men react to blag girls or asians in clubs. If you here them you would think they are referring to animals not people, and that is more from non-germans than from germans. Each of us has sexual preferences.
I travel to virtually every part of the world (Except South America, sadly), and Germans are in no way Racially motivated compared to most other countries in the world.
In Eastern Europe visible minorities are considered completely worthless (same thing in Italy). Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made when black players are playing soccer (This IS a problem in Britain, France, Belgium, Turkey!!!, and all of eastern Europe).
Hobbying in Hong Kong or Macau is about as racist as it gets. You get a menu listing country and cost. They basically say it is worth less to sleep with a Malay or Thai, followed by Mainland Chinese, then is Hong Kong National and at the top of the ladder (and almost twice as much) are White women. There South Asians (Indians) are considered so lowly that they are not even on offer. They work the streets and can be had for about half the price of the Thai's.
Go to Japan and try and get professionally laid as anything other than a Japanese Guy and you have 0% chance. Non-Pro is about the easiest thing in the world for a white guy.
Go to the Indian Sub Continent and you really think you are in another century. Were it not for the presence of airplanes and the cars you would think it was 1732. And before yome people blow up at me, I spend about 12 weeks a year on the sub continent. But South Asians are among the most racist people I have met. Try intermarriage. I have never met another cultural group with less intermarriage.
It is true that sex workers might have racial preferences and prejudices, but considering that most of these girls have slept professionally with thousands of men, and probably hundreds from each nationality, their preferences and prejudices might actually be based on personal experience. Some clubs have policies prohibiting some guests, but it is not a broad symbol of racism in Germany.
Peter
Peter,
[i]"I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers"[/i]
Me too, Peter ;). My full support to you here. I'm Asian, over 50, not decent looking and have been to numerous FKK clubs in Germany for years. I never had a problem with a girl 99% of the time, and I always recommend German FKKs as a mongering destination for foreigners.
I sometimes also speak with the local German customers, and the vast majority has no hesitation in talking to me, recommending me some girls and give me a big tap on the shoulders with their thumb up when I go to the room with a stunner half (or one third :D) my age.
PS : I however disagree with you about attitude in Eastern Europe thought. I travel extensively there. Just back from Belarus and never had a problem. In Prague, Asians are "VIP" customers in many places, like K5 (more than half of the customers are Asian on some nights, and this is considered the best club in Prague). But we're getting off topic here. :D
Chorfa1,
[i]"My [b]limited[/b] hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past"[/i]
Well, maybe you should expand your experience a little bit then and contribute something new, rather than reposting the same irrelevant comment you already made back in February :(. Just a few remarks too, if I may :
1. This forum is about "Germany [b]FKK Clubs[/b]". There is another forum about "Germany". Do you know what a FKK club is ? Please let's talk only about German FKKs here and don't pollute the forum unecessarily.
2. Peter already said it, but most girls working in Germany are not German. They will have the same attitude or ethnic preference wherever they work. Don't see how that can say anything about Germany.
BTW, I had the best laugh in months, re-reading your posts [i] "Can anybody suggest ladies working from home in the South Bay area. [b]I prefer white women[/b]. Appreciate any information, please PM me and will report my findings on the board."[/i] Are you saying you can have ethnic preferences, but not the girls ?
3. If a girl don't approach you, why don't you just approach her if you like her, or are you so shy ? I personally would be in heaven if girls don't approach me, and I can take my time to choose the ones I want to talk to (and do something else with) without being harrassed constantly. :)
Please note that, in some FKKs, girls are not allowed to approach you, so select the clubs carefully if you like being approached.
Jim