Kyiv

TM,

I have just arrived in Kyiv. Details of my travelogue will unfold here over coming days! I was told marriage agencies are hit and miss. If you're here for a while then go for it, but always beware the risks. You could just join one when you're here, at least you then know they exist and where to find them. There's actually a feature on them in the free (english lang) paper I have picked up in my hotel, but not read it yet.

Also, you may be seeing women who ONLY want to MARRY a rich guy and they may not want to pleasure you on first, or even second, night.

In reality there are so many pretty girls on the street I'd advise against and just wander around, and go to bars etc. After 3 hours of wandering, exploring, having late lunch and visiting couple of bars I had lots of positive reaction to smiles, coy looks etc which gives me hopes for the week ahead! So my advice would be go with the flow. If things don't come off with the normal girls you can always call an escort then, or visit River Palace!

TM,

I am actually wondering the same. It seems like someone out there must know of a site that is real? I wouldn't mind meeting a regular girl when I head over in October because I am assuming it is easy to find girls for hire.

Also, I am planning to go through Prague and Berlin as well and was curious which has the best clubs to meet girls and which is the best in terms of women for hire?

Thanks in advance!

It's completely nonsense to try out marriage sites while you're in Kiev even though they might be real.
Rather you can rely on free sites like date.com,imatchup.com and loveme.ru which will enable you opportunities throughout eastern Europe as well as Kiev.

Thanks for the replies.

Vegamars:
Please explain why it is nonsense to try them?
I was thinking it might just be fun. A lot of the girls seem to have fairly good jobs, so it could be interesting in itself.

As long as you don't start spending too much money on them.

Also I was thinking if you chat with them before you arrive in Kiev, you also have a local contact or two.

Is any one in Kiev from May 23?

To help translate the dating sites from russian to englishi use

http://babelfish.altavista.com

Its good. I advise to use it.

Of course the site’s no good for Ukrainian, but everyone in Kyiv speaks Russian too, so start your writing in that and you’ll be fine.

You may though have problems with replies in Russian, because it could be nonsense by the time it arrives in your in-box. You may have to fiddle around with the language settings, but good luck.

TRAVELOGUE – KYIV:

DAY ONE, arrived safely in Kyiv, and our party was met at the airport and driven in to the centre where we would meet the rest of our group for the week. The road from the airport is straight and soulless. Uninteresting in the extreme. Woodland is all you can see for miles as your driver tries to avoid the potholes on the motorway.

Checked into Hotel (Dnipro). Checked out all entrances and exits, vantage points from the bar etc. My main problem this week potentially being colleagues drinking far too late at the bar and hampering my attempts to bring girls past them to my room!

Managed to get a copy of Kyiv Post with the lead story about the US Deputy Sec of State in town – maybe that’s why the hotel was packed out.
My room’s very basic for a 4-star. Single bed (disaster), but slightly larger than many single beds, more like 1.5 bed size! No way is this worth the money my company’s being charged, but my contact here tells me it’s definitely girl-friendly, so that’ll do for me!

We all have to do down to bar to meet other colleagues, Ukrainian too, even though this is the bloody weekend. Excellent news, they’re going out for a meal. I offer to be a martyr! I have far too much work to do, and anyway I’m kinda beat. Maybe I’ll just have room service and catch up with them later, I want to get my work done first!

Result – everyone else goes out! This gives me at least an hour to organize an arrival to my 7th floor room! Why is there no 3rd floor – haven’t figured that out! Word of warning – like many “top” hotels you need a key-card to operate the lift when on public access floors, therefore a girl coming to your room unaccompanied is impossible.

So to the Kyiv Post. Section two has a sort of what’s on “night and day” supplement. About 10 small picture ads in the back and 6-7 unpictured classifieds. First problem, calling the bloody number. Finally got it to work, by dialing +380 (the whole country code) and then dropping the first 8-0 on the mobile numbers. For local landline numbers it requires dialing 8044 before the number. Got through to one who charges $50/hour and $100/2 hours. Was told this is standard. Asked if possible for a selection of girls to be sent and I would pick one. Agency didn’t understand this, so I gave up to try one of the others. Rang ad no.2 and it obviously went through to the same woman, so I tried again – same prices, same lack of help.

Tried one of the smaller classifieds, same price and only single woman, who said she was 27, but I worry when a WG says that she may mean 35, so went back to the glossy pictures. Dialled one with a mobile instead of Kyiv number, same price, would only send one girl, but guaranteed she would be able to speak English, be 18-21 and blonde. Said I’d ring back in 5 minutes. Gave one last go to Kiev local number, same woman as before answered and her English had improved enough to shout “f*ck off and die dirty f*cking bas*ard” which is not the best customer service line I’ve heard!

So back to the offer of 18-21 y o. She’d be with me in 30 minutes. I sort of allowed 45 minutes and as I’d already wasted 15-20 minutes thought I’d be pretty well guaranteed none of my party returning when I went to meet her.
I assumed she’d ring on her mobile when close, but oh no! Got a call from her in the reception, which meant me having to go down in full glare as she stood between the security guard, concierge and even the bloody shoe-shine colored guy! Immense problems; I had to come out of lift trying not to make eye contact, quickly move left towards the bar, check the coast was clear, do the same with the reception seating area, which necessitated walking right past the 3-blokes and the girl all looking at me quizzically. Then, less than discreetly, nodded at the girl whereupon the security guy blurted out “Room 704?”

Off we went to the sanctuary of the room and the doors wouldn’t shut soon enough on the lift!! She was as promised, blonde, 19yo student, and slim, but not pencil slim. Nastya was about a 7, and I handed over my $50, fairly happy, but a touch disappointed somehow a supermodel straight outta those websites didn’t appear! Anyhow an hour of fun to welcome me to Ukraine. Both showered. She performed remarkably well. OWOTC, sex multi-positioned! No anal though, and not keen when my finger went a roving and knocking at the back door!

3 sessions in the hour, and 5 minute overrun, but she was fine about it. And off she went. Hastily made a few notes to convince my colleagues I had been working and met them after another shower. Now about 3 hours in Ukraine and I’d had 3 showers already!!

Went to meet them in a bar on Kreschatyk, the name of which escapes me, but about 6 blocks up. Was advised to take a taxi, but stuff that. Great time walking up, smiling at girls. Especially in the subway, and I even went into one of the metro stations to take a look before having to use it. Buskers, flower sellers, people just dawdling, conversing, and all the girls happy for you to smile – looking foreign is sometimes great!

Had the drinks, ravenously hungry, so got a snack, saying the rooms service wasn’t very good (I couldn’t reveal the only dining I’d done was at the Y!!).
Actually I subsequently found out the food in Dnipro was the best thing about the hotel!

Dreaded coming back with colleagues into hotel infront of the grinning gang of three at the door, so suggested we stay out for more drinks, and that thinned the crowd down a little. We went to Planeta Sport on a road off Kreschatyk, near the main department store, and then wandered back and visited Dino’s, opposite Dnipro Hotel. Planeta had three tables of girls and we got talking (well I did) after much eye contact to two tables. First ones were leaving but got a mobile number, second ones were up for a giggle and we bought them drinks but experience told me that was all, and as they left I thought abut trying for 3rd lot, but they were readying to leave too. Looked crestfallen as I saw closer, just how good they were, slightly older at about 24-26 (I was youngest of our table at 33). Raised an eyebrow designed to say “How could you be leaving now”, one delicious blonde shrugged her shoulders apologetically and laughed; great smile! Leaned across and spontaneously grabbed her arm. Understand I never normally conceive of doing that, nerves, and expectation of a slap in the mush usually stop me, but here it’s fine, apparently. My mates were stunned, so was I when she said maybe tomorrow. I got her mobile, and promising SMSs and dreaming of a whole night of passion, we parted – well she was probably dreaming of a whole night of JD & coke and foreign cuisine, but hey let’s not spoil the image.

Dino’s is down a little alleyway and then down some steps to the bar area with some appalling live singer when we were there. Restaurant to the left, and strip club to right. 20 UAH ($4) entry, beer about $3 as I remember, or cheaper for local stuff. Girls go topless only – they then come closer for private table dance, but again topless only and expect a healthy tip (50UAH) for their gyrations. One girl was good looking, dk hair, others medium to poor. After 2 rounds and with me completely knackered we called time – I didn’t have the energy to go out again, or order in again, though I was anxious to discover River Palace in particular. I also had an email from Model Diana before I left with her number, again $100 for 2 hours. Found her on a website with genuine pictures and she’s a good standby if I don’t strike lucky with “Planeta Katerina.” Then to bed…alone!

I can tell you day two was exciting too, but you’ll have to wait until the next free time I get for me to detail all that! If you guys prefer me to leave out the travelogue/non sex info then just say, and I’ll adapt my style according to the wishes of the board!

Cracking report...... "grinning gang of three"... nice one... I guess we've all had something like that... the better hotels do act with a bit more decorum though.... keep it coming!

Hi Guys,

What will the non-pro/student scene be like April 9-12 - easter? Will Kiev be busy or are most of the students away on holidays or visiting family?

Most students will return home if they are only studying in Kyiv.
I have had this discussion with many. However, although Easter is big festival, so many pretty things live in this city of nearly 3m that they've got to go out somewhere - good luck.

Day 2

A really hard day at work. Knackered before the hobby begins!!

Enjoyed meal at an old, traditionally Ukrainian place in town. It’s very well known, but alas, I didn’t get a copy of the receipt, and I cannot for the life of me remember its name. Kyiv dwellers on the board will help me out I’m sure. Different areas of the restaurant are decorated in varying styles depicting different lifestyles in Ukraine. Very busy, and very nice too. The waitresses wore low cut traditional-style dresses, with pushed-up boobs, but they’d obviously had far too many drunken westerners making lewd comments over the years, as they ALL seemed impervious to my gallant smiles and desperate attempts at Russian to impress them!

So, about 11 when we got back to the hotel, and I declined the offer of drinks and headed for my room. Aware there was likely to be a small posse at the bar I planned my escape with due diligence. My advance planning proved worth it. I used the time in my room to gather my research (printed off from WSG), changed clothes, added a touch more after-shave and set off for some fun.

The bar in Dnipro is open plan, but it is to the left, and around one corner. As long as no-one was coming towards the lifts at the same time I should be ok. Best to head towards the reception as one crossed the “danger line” of sight, which is only probably 4 metres and from the bar one would have to have eagle eyes! If caught/seen I would be asking reception for a map/access to the internet or something not delivered to my room such as soap, bottled water, which appear to arrive by random when the maid makes the room. So far each has been forgotten once.

I walked briskly at 135 degree angle towards reception, then glanced bar-wards. My group was safely gossiping on low couches on the far side. I moved back towards the main door, exited sharp right to avoid walking in front of the bar, and I was free. The escape plan ‘worked to a T’. So I was forced down Kreshchatyk, not much in the way of opportunity to talk to girls on the street – it was very quiet out there. Went into one bar, but again very quiet. Decided it was either River P, Moda Bar or similar. I wanted a guaranteed shag at a fixed price so thought I’d try for Rest Town instead, which is a 20-min taxi ride away from previous research. I had been told every male in Kyiv knows “Rest Town”. Well, inevitably, after flagging down an unsuspecting driver he did not have a clue. I even spelt it in Cyrillic! Sadly I did not have the address. I explained 15 minutes taxi journey in pigeon Russian, and we fixed a price of UAH20, which I thought was particularly generous as he did not have a clue where he was going! After asking 2 other, genuine, taxi drivers we were on our way. Eventually after 2 U-turns I glimpsed a sign which said Rest Town next right. And that was about the most fun part of the evening.

Let me bring you up to date with important events at Rest Town. Major refurbishment is taking place apparently, which means none of the “free” room-only areas are available for the next couple of weeks. I suspect this might be rubbish and they’re just cashing in by forcing us to go to saunas, which range from $20-$50. This is obviously a minimum of 40% increase on the price of a shag, and considering the agencies’ value and choice I was already beginning to regret the long trip, but at least I had seen it with my own eyes. The girls weren’t great either in the main, which echoes what a few people have said before on this board.

I got talking to one fairly attractive girl at the bar, and amazingly she said she wasn’t available for “room service”! – WTF was she doing there then? In retrospect I think she may only have been touting for all-nighter at a hotel. Got introduced to Marina, a very young, ever so slightly plump, dark haired girl, and fixed a price for her tender young flesh. Then she went awol, telling me she had to dance soon. I checked my anti-perspirant….

Moved on to another girl, a blonde, and at last someone I genuine fancied a bit. She was probably 7.5 and we seemed to be getting on quite well. I was by this time apparently put to the back of the queue for rooms. I assumed I’d booked the room, but no, it’s the girls, so if you “change horse” you start the wait all over again. Each time I was told it was an hour. After another drink and about 45 minutes’ wait, this horrendous half-caste vision, that I was almost sure was a transvestite (I was assured it wasn’t), came over and simply snatched the girl I was with. She reappeared with a group of very drunk German tourists, who were obviously spending bigger bucks, and after another hour the party of 4 girls and 4 guys left together. I was informed it was £200 to take a girl back to my hotel, but as it was already 4am seemed pointless.

I was about to leave, thoroughly hacked off with the place, when a new blonde arrived. Slightly better looking than the previous girl. In short I was back in the queue, and as I’d seen none of the guests leave in the past hour or two I assumed the queue would be down to 30 mins or so by now. Wrong! Another hour estimate. Foolishly I decided to wait. I was conned out of another two cocktails, and a couple of drinks for myself. The hour became 90 minutes. The disco actually closed, at 6am all the lights went off and finally I was allowed through to my sauna room ($20). The girl was just ok. No OWO, not that keen on touching, not passionate in any way. And for all this I paid $50+$20+entry+numerous drinks. Approx $120 total I believe. Plus a few Hryvnias for taxis – and it’s more expensive back at 7am I can tell you, but only 35 even then! Imagine what I could have done in the comfort of my own room, for how long, or even with two girls, together or separate, and enjoyed the game of dodge the colleagues and security/shoe cleaners! A waste of a precious night in Ukraine. Please boys, learn from my mistake – it may have a reputation, but it’s not great, it’s not value. I have since learned about real value on the P4P scene, and that will follow in my next instalments. I realize I am getting way behind, but it’s difficult trying to work, play and keep a log, and write it up – forgive me!!

Hiya Knight,

Why do you feel obliged to do these things covertly? It is sort of expected for foreign businessmen to have "local GFs" in these countries. And they already know about it, so you only go down in their esteem behaving like that, if their esteem is of any value to you.

Just behave as if you don't give a damn what they think and that you own the lot and you will get much more respect that way, for sure.

I happen to know several married executives who travel around the world for conventions and they fly in their GFs from Russia to provide for after hours relaxation, openly dine with them, shop with them, let them stay in their hotelrooms, all paid for by the company and organisation.

If you don't like the hassle of looking out for talents in local bars, agencies, etc... and like the GFE which Russian/Ukrainian girls are famous for, just offer a girl you like to stay with you for the duration of your stay. THen that girl will be your guide, guard and lover. And if you still so desire, you could get that girl to help you to look for other talents.

You are alone in that city, don't have a real friend to help you out, so that is in my opinion the best approach. It might even be cheaper if you look at what you pay and what you actually get as enjoyment in return.

These business groups who work for 24hrs have become very interesting and worth inspecting for Kiev--I have not been able to accomplish to work for more than an hour per day so far in such an atmosphere.
It's very true that all kind of GFE you can expect here must be based on money,there can be no other way,no possibility,not even a chance in a million.I'm really enlightened now after a long-time-exchange of experiences and ideas.I guess I was in a dream all the time and I appreciate all those who have driven me back to the reality of all-the-same-out-of-world CIS countries.

E - I only feel obliged to be covert because of my colleagues. My position in the company would be jeopardised if I was 'caught'. I have no fear, per se, of security, doormen etc. However my fear is rational that they may talk, or make it obvious to colleagues of my nocturnal activities and preferences. I am actually appreciative of my position and ability to have sex with some wonderful girls around the world.

Hope you understand!

Day 3 – Quiet day. Lack of sleep from previous night caused havoc with my ability to concentrate. After the obligatory post-work drink I went and crashed out in my room for a few hours. Woke up, ordered room service, and ordered room service of another kind from Diana. Arranged for her to SMS me when she was coming out of the metro and I would meet her by the underpass outside the hotel.

Both dishes were highly satisfactory! All services offered I think, and while slightly older (by a year or two) than I imagined, she performs with great enthusiasm. Great body, good face. BBBJ very good. Anal probably available, but didn’t get round to it – not really a back-doors connoisseur. $100 for 2 hours. Saw herself out after a shower, and I crashed out for the rest of the night, and felt surprisingly good for the next day’s work.

Day 4 – all I can say at the end of Day 4 is Yulia, Yulia, Yulia! What a gal!
Post dinner I ventured into the Millennium strip bar, attached to Dnipro Hotel. I called a couple of the contacts I met previously (including the lovely Katerina), but it was too late to realistically expect them to drop everything and come running to me. I rang on the off chance they were out anyway, but early in the week that was unlikely, so fixed up a date for tomorrow with two girls. Separately. One at 6pm for dinner, one at 9pm for drinks. If the first is so hot I may have to SMS a cancellation but I’d rather have two birds in the bush for now.

Back to today, and paying (for Kyiv) an exhorbitant 100 UAH (I think from memory, though one of my colleagues actually paid) entrance to Millennium. The place was empty. We had a nice cold beer at an ok price, and good seats for the action. The strippers here were pretty hot; a couple of 5s, but mostly 8s and a couple of 9s and one ten.

A couple of the less attractive dancers tried to get us to buy them drinks and/or private dances. We were having none of that, just enjoying the floor show. Sadly, no fully nude striptease here. There were probably about 15 strippers, with 3 on view at any one time. One centre stage actually stripping and two dancing in separate “booths” nearby. When the record ended they all moved on one position, so the stripper left the stage and the girl in the second “booth” replaced her.

Went to the bar to order another round and happened to see Yulia, a stunning vision. 19 years old, dark hair, a complete model, beautiful lithe figure. Asked her when she finished and she said soon! Told her it was crap in Millennium apart from her, and asked for suggestion where to go. She smiled and said she was probably going to River Palace with a couple of other dancers, and apparently not wanting to be caught talking to me whispered she must go now.

Pretty soon out group left the club and returned to the main hotel. I told no-one of my chance encounter with Yulia. I soon left the hotel and went out, flagged down a taxi and headed for River Palace. Met a great guy called Victor, the cab driver, who had lived in London for a while and later on we met a couple of times during my stay in Kyiv. I offered to pay Victor into RP, which at 30UAH was hardly breaking the bank. The place is just one of those sights you have to see. Similar to better known Nightflight in Moscow, except here the girls do not approach you, making it even more like a traditional ‘disco’. Wanted to test the water, and the strength of the dollar, and was quoted £200 by first girl, who quickly came down to $150. The second girl Vic and I spoke to was a real small cutie, but her opening bid was $300. She would not come down either despite a fairly good chat. I think she sussed that the club was pretty full and as a classy girl she had a fair chance of poaching a fool, who would be easily parted with his money, so no need to cut her price at 1.30am or whatever time it was.

Soon afterwards, Yulia arrived. She lit the place up and I was very excited to see her, as was Victor, who agreed with my description. So now I knew she really was “available” but at what price? We had a quick chat, but introductions etc, but nothing more at this stage. I suggested she go dance and see what was on offer, taking the gamble she would not get an instant irresistible offer. It was a gamble too – suffice to say not many girls have me drooling at my age.

After about 15 minutes she came to sit back down and we rejoined her and a friend. Vic pretended to be English, and refused to speak Russian or Ukrainian. He says he gets more respect and better service that way, and also he can listen in covertly to “private” conversations methinks! While I went for a call of nature I am pretty sure Vic was negotiating prices, because I sensed a slightly different atmosphere upon my return. Fast forward to 3am. Vic said we were leaving. At my protests he said Yulia would join us by the exit. I wasn’t sure if her was telling the truth, or if Yulia had spun him a yarn, or if he’d fixed a price simply for him! Yulia duly turned up 2 minutes later, alone. Vic got his mate down with the car and off we went to Dnipro, which may not have been the brightest move on my part, but I had a good feeling about Vic and all worked out well. We ordered the bar to be reopened. We drank, talked, bizarrely with Andrei acting as translator for Vic! The subject of cash was broached. Vic asked for a price for me and him to take Yulia. $300. $200 for one of us. I was a little uneasy about the thought of a 3-some with two people I’d met hours earlier, so discreetly made my take-it-or-leave it offer to Yulia of $100 for me only. She definitely wanted to, but was anxious the others didn’t know the price. At 4am we got to my room, saying goodbyes to Andrei and Victor.

Without doubt Yulia is the most attractive beauty I have ever had the pleasure of. Her beauty was internal as well as external. We agreed 2 hours, but she stayed until 8am, making me late. ALL services!! Started with mutual oral, natch without latex! Boy was she wet, and surprisingly loud too when she came. Then quick drink, and back to it. She tried to mount me without a condom; ridiculously tempting though it was, feeling her pussy slide nakedly over my cock, good sense prevailed and I managed to grab the ‘preservatif’!

The next 3 hours just repeated the first hour, and bless her, she seemed to forget to ask for the money, and then was acutely embarrassed saying “I don’t need it”. She took it upon my insistence. If I was young free and single I could easily have packed her up in my suitcase and brought her home. Yulia said she goes to RP about 2-3 times a week, and hits with a rich guy once every 2-3 weeks at $300 which means with her income from Millennium she has no need to work more often. I had phone number from earlier, but realized later I messed up putting it in my phone. Anyhow I arranged to meet her in 2 days at Millennium, or in RP, and she promised not to get a guy before I arrived. I was f**ked in every sense of the word as I rushed down to breakfast, but smiling all over!! Highly recommend you all spend the stupid entrance fee at Millennium, hope she is working, and then check her out at RP later. She said it was first time ever she agreed $100, but I am no Adonis, so with patience you should be able to match the price, even for the (IMHO) best looking girl in Kyiv. I took a sneaky snap on my camera phone which I got just before the trip. It’s not very flattering, and not great quality – it is my only pic, and I will try to upload it when I return home if I can figure out how it’s possible!