Kyiv

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Horn, if you had read the forum first you would have learned things haven't been cheap in Kyiv since 2004-2005 (Orange Revolution, Eurovision) but the real ground work for it was laid it 2003 when petro prices took off.

With inflation being rampant in Kyiv/wordwide (and for the Americans, the dollar being so weak) if you are a casual traveler or a sexpat I would write Kyiv off for another two years. When the petro market pops and the Russian/Ukrainian economy collapses then it will be time to start visitng Kyiv as a sexpat again.

Going to Kyiv or Odessa without speaking Russian is fine, you will just find things slightly more difficult. However if you go any place else in Ukraine without some basic to moderate Russian skills you are just wasting your time.

As far as paying $300/hr for a girl in Kyiv. You can get a world class ho in NYC or any first class city for that price. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to Kyiv or Moscow for that price...

Sevastopol, the next time I'm trolling the clubs of that fine city we'll have to meet. :)[/QUOTE]

I would agree with all the above, your main reason for going to Kiev if you don't have any contacts ahead of time (which would be stupid) is to find a wife....

For mongering your better off in German FKK's especially if you want to bang Slavic women, there plenty in them and just as pretty and way more affordable.

I would almost say none of the FSS (former soviet states) or Russia are excellent places for mongering for complete newbies and I'm not saying I'm an expert, but having been to Kiev, been offered sex for $150US from a semi-pro to $250US for River Palace cutie, that was more than I was willing to pay and I'm not rich by any measurement.

The [i]Golden Days[/i] are over and running off into unexplored territory (Moldova, Georgia and other "tiny" villages, less known cities) is just a waste of your time and money if you hope to score without any knowledge of the language or a local "guide".

And yes next time RTFF!

Who helps us? This is one more stupid reply that I have received (please, Jackson, in Russian too):

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=222174953[/url]

Привет. Я очень интересуюсь, чтобы встретить Вас. :-)
Hi. I am very interested to meet you.

Что и когда конкретно Вам интересно?
What and when are you interested in?

я люблю оральный секс без презерватива
I like oral sex without condom

нет
no

что Вы любите преуспеть?
What are you good at?

Миньет с презервативом, классика, анал, стриптиз, массаж.
300$ - час
500$ - 2 часа
1000$ - ночь
80678960532
blowjob with condom, pussy, ass, strip-tease, massage
300$ - 1 hour
500$ - 2 hours
1000$ - night

I sometimes read prices of prostitutes in Moscow and they seem much much much more cheaper!!! And with a higher quality of sex services!!! Definitely, this is the best way to keep far all foreigners!!!

[QUOTE=Horn Hiyo]I was in Kiev end of June for 5 days.

First off things here are not cheap anymore in Kiev and there is a hotel shortage and you will pay exorbitant prices for good hotel of which there are only a handful (Hyatt $967/night, Radisson $639/night). Best alternative is renting apartment.

The short term p4p may not be worth coming here for. While there are some attractive escort girls around they charge very high prices ($300/hour).

I did experience a nice place for erotic massage Rakuena (US $80 for 1 hour). However it is difficult to find even with the address and a map. There are no signs when you arrive and not many people speak good enough English to help out. (It always turned into a hassle when trying to find something in Kiev)

One thing I really liked about Kiev is it is a beautiful city and the weather was really nice while I was there. Also there are plenty of excellent places to eat (restaurants, bakeries, fine teas, etc.)

Conclusion--would not be on my top ten lists to visit. Better places around and they need put afew more signs in English and build plenty more hotels.[/QUOTE]

I agree the Rakuena is difficult to find, it took me three attempts! You have to follow their instructions exactly as there is no sign. Good once you are there, but little or no contact with masseuse was encouraged other than HJ.

I'll be in Kiev this month, and have found some other massage places on the web:

Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina Street

Does anyone have any experiences at these places?

Sorry, I wrote wrong. This is the correct link:

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/Afroditta111/[/url]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Who helps us? This is one more stupid reply that I have received (please, Jackson, in Russian too):

[url]http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=222174953[/url]

Привет. Я очень интересуюсь, чтобы встретить Вас. :-)
Hi. I am very interested to meet you.

Что и когда конкретно Вам интересно?
What and when are you interested in?

я люблю оральный секс без презерватива
I like oral sex without condom

нет
no

что Вы любите преуспеть?
What are you good at?

Миньет с презервативом, классика, анал, стриптиз, массаж.
300$ - час
500$ - 2 часа
1000$ - ночь
80678960532
blowjob with condom, pussy, ass, strip-tease, massage
300$ - 1 hour
500$ - 2 hours
1000$ - night

I sometimes read prices of prostitutes in Moscow and they seem much much much more cheaper!!! And with a higher quality of sex services!!! Definitely, this is the best way to keep far all foreigners!!![/QUOTE]

Everything was already said. Use the "search" tool.

[QUOTE=GreenRoamer]I agree the Rakuena is difficult to find, it took me three attempts! You have to follow their instructions exactly as there is no sign. Good once you are there, but little or no contact with masseuse was encouraged other than HJ.

I'll be in Kiev this month, and have found some other massage places on the web:

Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina Street

Does anyone have any experiences at these places?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Everything was already said. Use the "search" tool.[/QUOTE]

Actually they do not come in a search, so try checking your facts first. And if "everything was said already" there would seem little point to this forum?

[QUOTE=GreenRoamer]Angel, 169 Gorky Street
Salon Glamour, Puskinskaja Street
Salon Dolly, Beseina Street[/QUOTE]I have been in massagesalon Idzanami (Pushkins’ka 19B, tel. 237 89 26) 1,5 years ago. I suppose it is now called Salon Glamour!

They do the massages in an appartment in a normal appartmentblock. I asked people where can I find this massagesalon: nobody knew:)! I have been there 3 times and had very good massages for a very reasonable price. Beautiful girls and only one girl spoke english ... who cares :)

It is only 300 metres from the metro station Treatral'na, and probably 800 metres from Kreschatyk. Good luck!

I know ukrainians asked for blowjobs and they got them both in salons and stripbars between 200 to 400 GRIVNAS. I have already written some detailed posts. If you are in Kiev for massage and pussy fuck only, please stay at home because you will be disappointed about prices, service quality is decreasing and price level is increasing. In fact, it is one year I try to stop forum readers to pay too much money to girls but nobody listen to me. Now, a stupid pussy fuck for a hour is between 100$-150$, more than in Italy. Add airplane fare and flat rent, (low quality) sex in Kiev costs as in Australia.

Thanks men!

If you didn't understand, Slavic women are famous for their swallow deep throat blowjobs. If you didn't find any girl for that, this means women fraud your money.

[QUOTE=GreenRoamer]Actually they do not come in a search, so try checking your facts first. And if "everything was said already" there would seem little point to this forum?[/QUOTE]

Which strip clubs are these AC?

Hi!

I will be visiting Kiev at the end of the week. I have found a couple of ladies on Flirt.ru looking for sponsorship. The deal: be my "girlfriend" and I will provide financial assistance.

2 of them (20 and 24 yo) are asking for 1500 USD for 3 days (all day), the last one (26 yo) the same price for 5 days.

What do you think about those prices?

I haven't chimed in here for awhile. I've been in Kiev for awhile, so mostly do the local thing - local freebies, as well as some P4P w/Russian speaking only girls, to be found on various websites (much cheaper than RP, but quality not always as good).

In any event - I have a sizable apartment, and a decent database of info (stored in my aging head). If anyone is headed to kiev for a short jaunt, and needs a relatively cheap, 'liberal' place to stay, send me a private message.

Rozan,

The girls posting 'sponsorship' - if you are only in kiev a short while, they aren't really for you. They will want all the money up front, and Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service.

You are better off with the one hour straight forward girls on flirt - there are oodles of them, typically around $100/hour. Some good quality, some not.

Yes, saint words! You will meet the lady in person and take her in your flat. Here, you will look at the lady's body very well and you will ask about "services" and you won't be afraid about "embarassing" questions because, as Street Sleuth wrote, "Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service". Ask about no-condom blowjobs and anal sex because they are normal sex in all sex meetings. Will the lady reply "niet"? OK, don't worry, say "no respect of me, no money to you" and kick her out the flat. Please, don't worry because we, all forumers, are sure she will provide bad sex and she will waste your money. In this way, you will contribute to decrease girls' prices in Kiev. Otherwise, the next time, you will pay 150$/first hour for an easy pussy fuck.

[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Rozan,

The girls posting 'sponsorship' - if you are only in kiev a short while, they aren't really for you. They will want all the money up front, and Ukrainians aren't known for the honesty/service.

You are better off with the one hour straight forward girls on flirt - there are oodles of them, typically around $100/hour. Some good quality, some not.[/QUOTE]

AC wow I can see why you are a real hit with the women, jaded to say the least..... you seem to get a shit deal everytime you come to Ukraine why not just stay home and save money? or perhaps you have the same problem at home? bad service? bad girls?
Ever thought your shitty approach rubs the girls up to start? and thats why you are treated in such a way?
I would guess so.
To those in Ukraine for the first or five hundreth time dont take his posts to heart.............. you get out what you put in!
So make the effort and enjoy the times, dont and just stay home!

What about Gia ? It is a long time I saw no report about this agency, back feedbacks or what ? what I like in Gia, you see in advance which services girl provides.

Any other agency we can trust in Kiev about escort girls ?

Spasibo..