Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2162389]Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.[/QUOTE]Yeh I heard that before. My buddy likes fat girls (fat in my view. Voluptuous in his view). He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now. Still has a great ass, way better than any Long Gun girls seen last night.

I have branched out. One regular bargirl in Shark has big tits, and good curves, but not very close to skinny. Tallish and probably weighs 50 to 55 Kg. Meanwhile I still have a skinny girl in Crazy House on occasion. Not a bag of bones though. Does have enough flesh that the touch is great for me, soft tits, and fingers in the tight pussy. Tallish so probably weighs 46+ Kg.

There is a very small percentage of girls that are too skinny for my taste, ha ha, but not very many, maybe 1 or 2% only. A large percentage of girls are too fat for me, maybe 50% Then have to eliminate any excessively ugly surgeries, also a high percentage.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162413]Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM ....

I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.[/QUOTE]Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.

The new government is mostly talk, and can't implement much useful, lacking money for one thing. The food carts and street stalls get swept out to create a better image but the people suffer. No way to make money. Meanwhile the government was spending big on submarines I think. What for? MPs get shut down. Non Thai nationals cannot work in most bars, maybe they can work in Thermae? The Government should be focussing on boosting the economy for poor people.

I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.

I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162191]Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?
[/QUOTE]That is too hard of a question. We need to understand that some hookers are using condoms and others are willing not to. How many different guys does each bareback girl fuck in a year? Do any girls take BB up the ass? (unwise). What is the likelihood of intravenous drug users being one of the parties involved? Etc. Also I am not from USA and lack USA experience. Never fucked a girl in the USA, have done a hottie from Puerto Rico (damn deep DFK).

Taxi drivers talk to me about the village they come from. Normally they know of several villagers died of Aids, whether male or female, sometimes both husband and wife, sometimes even a child was born with HIV. One could get the impression it is prevalent in the Thai community. I hear less about Thai people in Bangkok and even less about Farangs getting Aids here. I don't interact with lots of Farangs. Just a few at the Sports Pub. Probably a lot of Farang cases will be related to drugs and gay activities, and I don't come into contact with those types.

I don't do widespread BBFS. HIV is not even the main reason. I am scared to pick up other very easily caught STDs. Can't afford to give my wife anything. That would not be nice. So I indulge mostly in lower risk activities. It is very useful for regular BBFS partners to be both tested every so often to get a reassurance. Neither partner may trust the other completely to not suddenly take some unknown person in BBFS. She did it with me, so how many others is she not telling me about? If I did not have the Mrs., likely I would be behaving less carefully. I have only done maybe 3 new girls (for first time) this year and each was covered FS. So clearly my mongering is in steep decline. Finding new fabulous girls sufficiently exciting becomes harder and harder. I don't have the biological imperative to spread my seed so widely any more. Easier to take a known girl with good face and good body and a good fuck. Still get some variety form skinny to very curvy.

I would bet most of us did BBFS at some time in the past with a newly met girl in a rush of blood, even if we normally don't. I can recall a few. However at least I have my test results that prove there were no consequences for past behaviours with unknown girls.

You can get very unlucky. I have had an STD only twice over many years. One was Chlamydia eye from fingering pussy and not washing finger before rubbing the eye. Second was Chlamydia dick. The only girl barebacked at that time claimed to not have Chlamydia which leads to possibly of catching it from a BBBJ by a woman from the Grace Coffee shop (a lot of years ago), or maybe the BBFS girl was telling lies (seems a bit more likely). One other time had some infection probably not an STD as the one BBFS girl did not have it. No other sex partners at that time.

I have to assume that most regular Barebackers will catch an STD moderately often since Chlamydia and others are caught so easily. My last Red Cross visit tested for long term indicators of past Herpes or Cold Sores (HSV) and none were found. That surprised me a little, since I DFK and DATY and get BBBJs from so many girls over the years, and reportedly a high percentage of the population have had one of those, I expected the monger community to be worse off. Can one be immune to it, or just relatively hard to catch, or very lucky for this one (unlucky for Chlamydia)?

I used to use Durex Comfort 54mm, but now use a Japanese 52mm condom "003" (can buy it in 7Eleven) which is harder to get on but I have developed the perfect technique to stretch and get it on easily and without bubbles. It is thin enough to give me pretty good feel, still not as good as BBFS of course. I even have to buy a supply to take OS. I could not go back to normal condoms, given that get used to superior BBFS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162413]Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.

So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.

But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.

I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.

She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.

I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.[/QUOTE]ABout meeting nice guys in such places, I had some funny experience. AS I already wrote here, I like Beergarden both for experienced ladies (much much better in bed than the young sexy girls of bars) and discussing with guys for all parts of the world. For sure, as you say, not always interesting but easy to break the discussion after 5 min. Once I met a swedish man and, in contrast to their reputation of being cold, he was very nice. He did'nt know about Thermae and asked me to show him. We went and he almost jumped on the girls! But the ebst is to come: to thank me, he paid a girl for me!!

Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".

So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).

Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162536]Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.

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I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.

I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.[/QUOTE]Well, to paraphrase your recent posted observation about go-go bars, my observation is the line up and customer numbers in Thermae change a lot from day to day and completely within months. In fact, I have seen more changes in the girl line up in Thermae from week to week than I ever see as often in a go-go bar. Which seems logical since girls working in go-go bars are generally expected to return night after night while the girls who show up at Thermae are much more random and it depends on how a girl feels she wants to earn money and where that night or that week. As far as the customer numbers go, I generally try to arrive in Thermae around 9:30-10 PM and the crowd is always less then than by 11 PM or later.

One big difference, among perhaps many, between your assessment of a line up and mine is that my impression is you scan the room (go-go bar or Thermae, doesn't matter) and decide which girl is absolutely the most beautiful in the room. Then you must have her, all others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you. If a Japanese man scoops up that one before you get to her or if she rebuffs you presumably because you are not Japanese or for any other reason, then you might redirect your attention to the next most beautiful girl in the room and now you must have her and all the others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you.

By contrast, I rarely if ever scan a room looking for the most beautiful girl to focus on and might only do so if a friend I am with asks me which one I think is the most beautiful. And even if I locate "her", I can certainly appreciate her beauty and "status" as the one I think is the most beautiful in the room but, frankly, determining that does not automatically make her the most sexually desirable one in the room to me. I still need to recognize a certain something about her that makes me want to put my dick in her or see how her face looks when she is having an orgasm or some combination of both and whatever other mysterious factor it is that makes me want to have sex with a woman. But being the most beautiful girl in the room is rarely if ever the mysterious certain something that does that for me. I have had what I believe is more than my share of vacuous beauties, and, well, been there done that. Boring.

So I am fine with choosing a girl that I think is sufficiently attractive, "good looking" for sure, and exudes that mysterious certain something for me but I could probably not tell you at that moment whether she was among the top 5, 10 or 20 "most beautiful" girls in the room. That simply wouldn't matter to me. I would just know that she qualifies as more than attractive enough, cute enough, or interestingly quirky different enough to me for me to want to give her a spin and have sex with her this night.

Also, I have learned in my lifetime of fucking that there is for me an immutable law of fucking that goes like this; the more you fuck, the more you fuck and the less you fuck, the less you fuck. LOL.

That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one. Down that path lies a delay for my next fuck. And after that delay, perhaps another will follow. And then another. And on and on until it might be much longer between fucks than is good for my sex life and, bingo, I am now caught in a downward spiraling vortex known in the Laws of Fucking as "the less you fuck, the less you fuck."

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162597]That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one.[/QUOTE]This is profound mongering wisdom, and every tourist and newbie ought to read and re-read your post. Over the years I've seen so many who seem obsessed with getting the 'hottest' girl in the room. And sometimes they succeed, but in general they never seem to have as good a time as those who just aim for finding nice girls with whom they have some rapport. Just stay in the game, as you say, and sooner or later you will find some spectacular performers. And often they aren't the super hot-looking ones that every other guy in the room is trying for.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162531]He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now.[/QUOTE]I don't normally prefer skinny girls. However, my current girlfriend is 40 kg. If she ballooned to 46 kg, I would dump her immediately. The thing that makes her so sexy is her extremely flat stomach. She basically has a six pack and it's a turn on. She does have a beautiful face and nice little ass as well, but small tits. She's the kind of girl the locals cream their jeans over due to her white skin and face that looks like it's a mix between Asian and Western.

That being said, I do prefer bigger girls normally. Big asses and big tits. This skinny girl is an exception.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162577]Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".

So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).

Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?[/QUOTE]My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.

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So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).

Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?[/QUOTE]Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.

Nose jobs came a bit later.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2162661]Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.

Nose jobs came a bit later.[/QUOTE]Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?

[QUOTE=XXL;2162674]Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?[/QUOTE]How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2162642]My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.[/QUOTE]Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.

I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.

Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.

Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162689]How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??[/QUOTE]Your response is a little bit hyped up. LOL You may not be aware, that their is not much point in giving females hormones, unless they are suffering from a hormone shortage. If they have the normal female hormones already, adding more may not do a huge amount. However some girls report their breasts getting bigger when taking the pill. Other girls have normal hormones but have very small breasts. Hormones don't have same effect on all. I am not expert enough in that field to know why.

Some LBs can grow natural breasts when taking female hormones, some cannot and need silicone. Normal is for them to grow little ones.

Clearly female hormones do not prevent all girls from getting fat. LOL Keeping skinny is about natural metabolism, the bacteria populations in the gut, exercise, and food control. LBs are probably naturally taller, of course.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162799]Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.

I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.

Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.

Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.[/QUOTE]You are probably right. It was 25 years ago, so I might have forgotten the exact amount. The girls fee was more likely 500 THB.