London

It looks like the UK is going to be an even worse place to exist in the near future.

The brain trust in the Houses of Parliament are going to criminalise the punter.

So we go from a quiet, non problematic approach even in the big cities, where prostitution ISN'T illegal, although another individual living off immoral earnings (eg pimp etc) is to new legislation criminalising anyone caught "buying" sex. Presumably they'll be interviewing couples who decide to shag after he's sprung for a nice meal and a pleasant evening out. After all he bought something for her, then sex occurred.

Its all done in the name of the latest hot-button dog-whistle issue "trafficking".

Trafficking is currently used as an excuse to nail just about anyone on just about anything.

I'm sure there's trafficking for low price work, Chinese workers in the back of a van etc.

But in 25 years of mongering around London and regions I've NEVER seen a genuinely trafficked girl. They all can walk out of the flat, or down the street and not look back. Most of them are delighted to earn relatively big money for lying on their backs. Many's the time I've had to sit through some Polish or Hungarian tart telling me how much they love London. Trafficked my arse.

The whimpering aid agencies shouting "trafficking" at top volume are nothing more than "rattling the stick inside the swill bucket" so they get more funding for more pompous pointless interfering busybodying. Arrgghhh. I'm mad as hell about this.

[QUOTE=Biffa; 1540428]It looks like the UK is going to be an even worse place to exist in the near future.

But in 25 years of mongering around London and regions I've NEVER seen a genuinely trafficked girl. .[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, trafficking in the prostitution world do exist.

As it does in any other human activities.

To say that there are no trafficked girls in the sex industry in London is not only untrue, but actually diminishes the credibility of those, like me and you perhaps, who, while recognizing the issue, disagree with the proposed solutions.

As for examples, just go to some suburban Asian MPs, where you will find shy girls, not speaking english, who, according to mama-san offer "everything". Once I had to sit for 20 minutes with the girl doing nothing. I just could not bring myself to do anything to this frightened little thing. Don't tell me that she arrived there on her owm will.

[QUOTE=CityDweller;1540191]Spent last night wandering Chinatown looking for a good massage with extras. Went back to a place I had been before on Wardour St just across from the entrance to the W Hotel. Drew a girl who was OK looking. Very good massage but no teasing and no sign of anything else available. After the hour was up, she just said "all done". I had been offered at least an HJ here in the past so I was surprised, but didn't push the issue. Undeterred, I continued my walk and ended up popping in to a place called "Be Health" at 98 Shaftesbury Ave and drew Candy. She had glasses on but was very cute. Got her in the room and she took off her lab coat and glasses and she was no longer cute. She was downright smoking hot! Very friendly with a great playful smile she lightly rubbed my back and asked me in a whisper if I had been there before (obviously the answer to that question is always yes) , and then asked what I wanted. I told her "everything" and she asked me what I was willing to pay. I offered £40 and she countered with 60. I was too tired to argue so agreed and off came the clothes. Sadly she didn't provide BBBJ but we played hard and had fun. Should have brought a condom with me as she didn't have any so no FS, but left happy and we had fun together. Really great girl and I will definitely be back to see her again.[/QUOTE]Hand Job, no more than £20 on top of the massage money.

I usually book 1/2 hour first for massage and tell the girl upfront that if she delivers a good sexy service, then I will extend to one hour. .

BBBJ with her nude is £40. I had this with CIM included.

If you look around, you can get FS for £70 1/2 hour, no need to pay for massage.

They really out to make a quick buck the Chinese massage shops in Soho and I enjoy the bargaining with them in a friendly smiley way. No need to be shy about it, they like it as well.

Don't let them get away with inflated prices for mediocre service.

In fact these days I enjoy the Chinese shops more than the Soho Walk Ups as there is the element of Uncertainty, WSWS.

Will she, won't she?

I agree, here in the USA trafficking has become the new buzz word, trafficking for the Super Bowl, trafficking for the Daytona 500, trafficking for the Kentucky Derby. Big money has been appropriated to law enforcement and new anti-trafficking laws enforced, but they don't see to ever be able to catch anybody.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1540576]Unfortunately, trafficking in the prostitution world do exist.

As it does in any other human activities.

To say that there are no trafficked girls in the sex industry in London is not only untrue, but actually diminishes the credibility of those, like me and you perhaps, who, while recognizing the issue, disagree with the proposed solutions.

As for examples, just go to some suburban Asian MPs, where you will find shy girls, not speaking english, who, according to mama-san offer "everything". Once I had to sit for 20 minutes with the girl doing nothing. I just could not bring myself to do anything to this frightened little thing. Don't tell me that she arrived there on her owm will.[/QUOTE]Its entirely possible she's there of her own will. No girl "wants" to do this work, so they'll all try and make it as easy as possible on themselves. Ways of doing that will be pretending not to speak english (easy if you're mot so fluent) so they don't have to engage you in conversation and agree to anything else. All mamasans offer everything and she'll be young, old, tall, small or whatever you ask for. So of course the mamasan says she'll offer everything. Also pretending to be shy and frightened also offers the chance of less interaction if the punter "buys" the act.

So I'm not at all certain she; ll be trafficked. But note I didn't say there was NO trafficking just its a FRACTION of what the do-gooder industry says, after all they have to have their grants made, and have some more government hand outs.

Certainly not enough to justify criminalisation of consensual sex between adults, I. E. 99% of prostitution.

And I can honestly say hand on heart I've never seen a trafficked girl in the UK.

[QUOTE=Biffa; 1540746]Its entirely possible she's there of her own will. No girl "wants" to do this work, so they'll all try and make it as easy as possible on themselves. Ways of doing that will be pretending not to speak english (easy if you're mot so fluent) so they don't have to engage you in conversation and agree to anything else. All mamasans offer everything and she'll be young, old, tall, small or whatever you ask for. So of course the mamasan says she'll offer everything. Also pretending to be shy and frightened also offers the chance of less interaction if the punter "buys" the act.

So I'm not at all certain she; ll be trafficked. But note I didn't say there was NO trafficking just its a FRACTION of what the do-gooder industry says, after all they have to have their grants made, and have some more government hand outs.

Certainly not enough to justify criminalisation of consensual sex between adults, I. E. 99% of prostitution.

And I can honestly say hand on heart I've never seen a trafficked girl in the UK.[/QUOTE]Well. I can tell after 40 years of practice and a few thousands encounters when a girl is really frightened or faking.

Anyway, I don't question your own experience, but I think that one only sees what one wants to see, and more importantly, one does not see what one does not want to see.

The word trafficking encompasses a lot of different situations. For instance, a lot of FKKs girls, in the sanitised world of German prostitution, are actually controlled by powerful mafia style Romanian groups back at home, threatening their family. Are they trafficked? Maybe a better word needs to be found, but, as far as they are concerned, they have little choice.

To say that 99% of protitution is "Free will" is at best naive, or worst deceptive.

Where we can agree is that the proposed solutions are ridiculous and are not going to answer the problem. As much as one should not throw the baby with the bath water, one should not try to ignore the big problem of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], and instead offer alternative solutions.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1540932]I think that one only sees what one wants to see, and more importantly, one does not see what one does not want to see.[/QUOTE]Even in the Sex industry, LOL "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know".

I overnighted from Dubai last week and I enjoyed a first rate 90 minutes with Exotic Vee from AW. Stunning looking part-timer, tall, pretty and a great attitude. Highly recommended.

[QUOTE=CiderMaker;1541427]I overnighted from Dubai last week and I enjoyed a first rate 90 minutes with Exotic Vee from AW. Stunning looking part-timer, tall, pretty and a great attitude. Highly recommended.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Jojosun; 1530278]I. One girl on adultwork who is reviewed on ukp (Asian Chinita) although some mongers on that site dispute her Nationality. A lovely girl in every way. Had the pleasure with her few times. Half Chinese, half Spanish from Philippines who is studying in London, that's what she told me.

I.[/QUOTE]

Anybody know if Isabel Ice is still working? Or any way to contact her?

Hey Jojosun,

I think Rumsfeld's quote is very appropriate for those of us who punt. When I read what you wrote I almost had a "comedic spit" of lager on my computer screen.

I think Socrates would also agree with this quote. Was it not said Socrates was the wisest man in the world, because he knew that he nothing.

There has to be more Rumsfeldian quotes which could apply to this hobby of ours.

Cheers,

Slavophile

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1541054]Even in the Sex industry, LOL "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know".[/QUOTE]

Not q a punting report. As in no sex was involved.

Some months ago I reported on a massage joint which was decent and HJ on offer. Near the theatre that had an accident recently. Now it's preparing to show let the right one in.

Anyway I went back to the same joint as I really needed a massage. I was contemplating getting extras since the last masseuse was pretty decent looking and good massage.

Well, the masseuse this time was a little older. And bigger. And her massage wasn't great. I wonder why the standards dropped this time round.

So awhile after my massage I decided to see what was the current state of walkups. Didn't see many. Settled for trying the one on Dean St, near fifty and Dean.

I forgot the lady's name but she sounded British and said she was from Liverpool. Decent time. Good oral though covered. Lady was a brunette with a 6/10 face and 8/10 bod (fake tits). Nice round are that seemed natural.

Action wise she seemed accommodating save for the usual walkup restrictions such as kissing of any sort.

I guess walkups are generally only worth gg if you just want a release. Would be interested to hear your suggestions on improving the experience.

[QUOTE=Leaky Pipes;1543206]I guess walkups are generally only worth gg if you just want a release. Would be interested to hear your suggestions on improving the experience.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would agree, iti s essentially a good place for a quick release.

To improve:

Check the website you can find on google while typing soho walk ups. Check the rota and the reports.

Choose the right girl based on this. Don't choose the cheapest option on the menu. And repeat.

All this needs some time, and it is a bit hit or miss. But I have had incredibly good sessions with no less incredibly friendly girls there for less than 50 £.

Don't ask me which girls, I have not been since long time, and those I knew have all gone.

[QUOTE=Slavophile; 1542063]Hey Jojosun,

I think Rumsfeld's quote is very appropriate for those of us who punt. When I read what you wrote I almost had a "comedic spit" of lager on my computer screen.

I think Socrates would also agree with this quote. Was it not said Socrates was the wisest man in the world, because he knew that he nothing.

There has to be more Rumsfeldian quotes which could apply to this hobby of ours.

Cheers,

Slavophile[/QUOTE]Hi Salvophile,

Glad you enjoyed "quoting the Quote". London forum needs a bit of life put into it.

Are you familiar with Lucerna Club in Prague.

Posted twice on the club in the Prague forum, but it must have been rejected by higher up for some reason.

Been to Prague in my 20s when backpacking around Europe. Last time was NOV 89, found myself in the middle of the velvet revolution. Found Lucerna Club and wow, freebies & more freebies there with few pros sat by the bar smoking Red Marlboro trying to hook up with older German sex tourists.

25 years on, how is Lucerna now?

Are there any semi pros 2 be found in the club? Good material for private parties.

Cheers& thanks in advance.