Kyiv

Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.

What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.

What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.[/QUOTE]

I say its only bad if you want to keep mongering to a limited few + locals.

For me it looks like it will be cheaper to go to Kiev next time than last time....

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.

What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.[/QUOTE]

If this results in groups of Brits steaming into Kiev for Stag Parties then it's over, and I speak as a Brit, Trust Me it's Over !

I agree, once all the 'stag parties' start arriving from the UK (+elsewhere) Ukraine will be finished as we have known and enjoyed it for years!

Such a shame it will soon be ruined! (Likewise Dubai finished)

Time to find another gem off the beaten path?

[QUOTE=Tremayne]If this results in groups of Brits steaming into Kiev for Stag Parties then it's over, and I speak as a Brit, Trust Me it's Over ![/QUOTE]Agreed... throw in some Germans from Dortmund and Italians from Bergamo and it's truly over.

The drunken grope factor will drive away even the most Western-curious devage.

Those that are left will have Euros stuffed up their asses by idiot touristsov

You are right, and I speak as a german. When these groups you mentioned arrive, wether its in Ukraina or Moldova or whereever, its the beginning of the end.

Cheers,

C.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Agreed... throw in some Germans from Dortmund and Italians from Bergamo and it's truly over.

The drunken grope factor will drive away even the most Western-curious devage.

Those that are left will have Euros stuffed up their asses by idiot touristsov[/QUOTE]

Okay let's be serious about this....

If they are coming NOW because its cheap to get there, they are value mongers (cheapskates!). Are they willing to pay RP prices? Highly unlikely. Will they hang out at the local discos and hot spots trying to pull local talent? Yes, if that's your hunting grounds, you have more competition/headaches.

Give the ladies some credit here, they understand if your in Kiev its likely your a sex tourist anyway or looking for a bride and if your in Shooters then its your night-off or your really not that serious about it or your just looking for easy and cheap or even free pussy.

That being said, for those like me that would ONLY return to Kiev to continue the courting ritual from some lady you met online or visiting Kherson to go to some Americans marriage agency, this has no effect on you.

Drunk chaps from Sussex or Heliborn won't get in your way very much and if your like me and was one of maybe 5 people on a Ukrainian Air Airbus that speaks English, you could have some friendly and interesting conversations while en route, so stop with the gloom and doom already, the [i]Golden Days[/i] were over about 5 years ago, you already have a black book full of contacts most will never meet these drunkards from WizzAir's extended service to Kiev...

All said with tounge firmly planted in cheek...

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Low cost carriers Wizzair have arrived in Kiev and set up their latest European base at Borispol Airport, in a move that should radically change the transport set up of this emerging 'New European' nation. From July 2008 residents of the Ukraine will be able to jet about the country to Lviv, Odessa and Simferopol, for as little as 79 UAH.

What's more, these pink and purple pioneers of the skies, will begin international operations to and from the Ukrainian capital from September this year. The good citizens of London (Luton), Dortmund and Milan (Bergamo) will be amongst the first to have the chance to sample Kiev's amazing mix of ancient and modern charms.[/QUOTE]I think West Euros have always been able to get good deals on excurisions to the FSU, and my guess is that travel won't increase because of this new lost cost carrier. On another note, I live in East Ukraine and the (travel) agents I spoken with have mentioned that travel from westerners to the FSU have decreased closed to 50 percent from last year this time, maybe this is due to the novelty of visiting the FSU is wearing off or the monkey shit economy, maybe a little bit of both.

[QUOTE=Timmy21]I think West Euros have always been able to get good deals on excurisions to the FSU, and my guess is that travel won't increase because of this new lost cost carrier. On another note, I live in East Ukraine and the (travel) agents I spoken with have mentioned that travel from westerners to the FSU have decreased closed to 50 percent from last year this time, maybe this is due to the novelty of visiting the FSU is wearing off or the monkey shit economy, maybe a little bit of both.[/QUOTE]Travel to UKR isn't cheap or easy compared to other places, as there are relatively few direct flights to Kiev (or other places) and even though those flights aren't particularly expensive, they aren't particularly cheap either. For example Prague, Tallinn etc. are much cheaper and easier to reach.

It will make a difference. It's just a question of time anyway and we'll deal with it when it happens.[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] If they are coming NOW because its cheap to get there, they are value mongers (cheapskates!). Are they willing to pay RP prices? Highly unlikely. Will they hang out at the local discos and hot spots trying to pull local talent? Yes, if that's your hunting grounds, you have more competition/headaches.

Give the ladies some credit here, they understand if your in Kiev its likely your a sex tourist anyway or looking for a bride and if your in Shooters then its your night-off or your really not that serious about it or your just looking for easy and cheap or even free pussy....[/QUOTE]It might have one advantage if cheap-o tourists do end up encouraging a more accessible cheap-o sex market. But there are really almost only disadvantages to cities become tourist attractions for working-class and stag party type tourists. They just get on everybody's nerves.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Travel to UKR isn't cheap or easy compared to other places, as there are relatively few direct flights to Kiev (or other places) and even though those flights aren't particularly expensive, they aren't particularly cheap either. For example Prague, Tallinn etc. are much cheaper and easier to reach.

It will make a difference. It's just a question of time anyway and we'll deal with it when it happens.It might have one advantage if cheap-o tourists do end up encouraging a more accessible cheap-o sex market. But there are really almost only disadvantages to cities become tourist attractions for working-class and stag party type tourists. They just get on everybody's nerves.[/QUOTE]

Loud Blokes and Americans seem to get on everybody's nerves hmmmm....

Stag Party types? Hmmm, as I said the city's best offerings are highly expensive by Stag Party standards. Those are the easiest to find. Only those with local connections or can read or speak Ukrainian or Russian can find the cheap lays. Most of them are going to be in the city center anyway and yes that is an anoyance.

I think they'll stick to Prague frankly; Tallinn I've heard is a WASHOUT as [i]Professional Daters[/i] have ruined the freebie market (not if you want something more lasting but it will take a few weeks for the panties to drop).

Is there a place on the planet not ruined by Professional Daters or Stag Party types???

Minisk?

Since 50 has moved out of Alamty, I would say that place might be safe if you want Slavic punai straight up or with a Saki twist and isn't infested with all the types that tend to ruin "markets".

C'mon Doc, there has to be a skinny slav girl with your name on it ready to be Mrs Skank...lol

I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.

[QUOTE=D Etat]I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you want. If it is "just" sex in 30 min to 60 min sessions, your best bet may actually be German FKKs... plenty of EE action there and especially in Frankfurt, little or no racial stress AFAIK. Affordable prices.

Even cheaper are German RLDs and Laufhäuser. Quicky type 15 minute action can be had in red light districts for as little at 30 €.

For overnight, takeout or longer sessions you're better off in EE, but will likely run into some racial issues now and then.

Furthermore, as DJ4$ said, EE can be a bit tougher to navigate for those who don't speak the local lingo. Easy to find options are increasingly cost-prohibitive.[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] C'mon Doc, there has to be a skinny slav girl with your name on it ready to be Mrs Skank...lol[/QUOTE]If I were inclined to take a bride, I could've been married 30 times over by now... :)

I just know I couldn't be satisfied with just one though, so why marry... maybe in 10 years or so. Maybe.

[QUOTE=D Etat]I hear some guys say the Czech Republic sucks I hear some guys say the Ukraine sucks. I am not worried about prices. What is the best place in Eastern Europe to get native girls to do something strange for a piece of change? I am Black so I know that will be a factor and yes I have read the fucking forum.[/QUOTE]

As a Black Man, let me say this loud and clear so you understand.

I do not proclaim to be an expert but having been there, I can say this -

Your Euros are better spent in Germany, per Doctor's orders!

P4P is hard to find (in Ukraine), at least for those budget minded mongers. Having said that, I did go to River Palace, but unless you like high prices ($250-300US), to be frank don't go, but its worth it just to look. You'll find Slavic girls just as attractive in Germany and I really do MEAN that.

I did get an offer from a semi-pro - $150 but did not partake. Fucking her would be been nice, but I thought it was legit before the offer so I declined based on that, not on prices or attractiveness.

You can find P4P for well under 100US in Kiev for example but you really need to speak the local language and that pretty much goes for every FSU country, even that ones that are apart of the EU save for Czech Republic, where English is widely spoken by most people in Prague.

Some places (countries) are cheaper, but service is shitty and selection is even worst, just how many times does somebody have to post that before you believe its true? (Slovakia, Estonia, Romania) You could go the path of the less traveled (Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia, Bosnia) and might find a worthy candidate to be your wife before you hit on some P4P worth your dollars (not worth much these days, are you being paid in Euros?).

Too much effort if you ask me and I don't care how cheap Wizzair is....

I highly suggest you scope the FKK boards, you'll find what your looking for and at reasonable prices and GFE or PSE is EASY to find and expected by most customers so they tend to deliver and its LEGAL!

Dear friend...

You never say for what you get offer and for what you pay... 300 USD can be an enormous price or a ridicolus one...

That is the matter: what you pay for? 10 min? 2 hours? 1 day with BBBJ and CIM???

That is all the problem

IT


[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]As a Black Man, let me say this loud and clear so you understand.

I do not proclaim to be an expert but having been there, I can say this -

Your Euros are better spent in Germany, per Doctor's orders!

P4P is hard to find (in Ukraine), at least for those budget minded mongers. Having said that, I did go to River Palace, but unless you like high prices ($250-300US), to be frank don't go, but its worth it just to look. You'll find Slavic girls just as attractive in Germany and I really do MEAN that.

I did get an offer from a semi-pro - $150 but did not partake. Fucking her would be been nice, but I thought it was legit before the offer so I declined based on that, not on prices or attractiveness.

You can find P4P for well under 100US in Kiev for example but you really need to speak the local language and that pretty much goes for every FSU country, even that ones that are apart of the EU save for Czech Republic, where English is widely spoken by most people in Prague.

Some places (countries) are cheaper, but service is shitty and selection is even worst, just how many times does somebody have to post that before you believe its true? (Slovakia, Estonia, Romania) You could go the path of the less traveled (Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia, Bosnia) and might find a worthy candidate to be your wife before you hit on some P4P worth your dollars (not worth much these days, are you being paid in Euros?).

Too much effort if you ask me and I don't care how cheap Wizzair is....

I highly suggest you scope the FKK boards, you'll find what your looking for and at reasonable prices and GFE or PSE is EASY to find and expected by most customers so they tend to deliver and its LEGAL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=It Travel]Dear friend...

You never say for what you get offer and for what you pay... 300 USD can be an enormous price or a ridicolus one...

That is the matter: what you pay for? 10 min? 2 hours? 1 day with BBBJ and CIM???

That is all the problem

IT[/QUOTE]

Opps I failed to mention that..lol

Yes it could be a quickie or several hours, YMMV

The girl I asked gave me a price, said as long as I wanted but didn't offer any extras and wanted $250.

Its been mentioned here several times, it was bad and 20 mins, others report she was there until they kicked them out.

With FKK's you much more likely to hit GFE or PSE as long as you don't look like Puff The Magic Dragon...