Medellin Reports

Loose cannon is a good description. Key points that stood out for me is Vsebudtet held the girl's head down and skeeted in her mouth. You can usually tell when a girl does not want that. There are non verbal signals and I would be surprised if this apparently experienced pro did not send them. The family emergency exit strategy is an old classic. I think my favorite part of this overall enjoyable report was its reminder how completely fake the much sought after girlfriend experience is. I sometimes think about renting a couple of days at San Peter just to watch the show.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2510335]Thank you for sharing this report, all of it is extremely valuable. I am still debating whether or not to use fb but I am unlikely to as most of the reports seem like some of these girls are complete loose cannons. Maybe taking drugs beforehand and they know that all they have to do is kick up a fuss and make a scene in order for them to get paid for doing nothing. That girl sounds like a real basket case.

It sucks that this happened on your first night and I had my fair share of disasters also. When I arrive somewhere I always tend to rush and want to do everything on the first day, I think I won't be so quick to take anyone back to my apartment in MDE unless I've road tested them first.

Also one thing I have personally learned, when $hit hits the fan and they want to be paid, just pay them the amount that's being agreed, whether you got your dick wet or not. It sucks yes but it can save a hell of lot of aggravation down the line. Sometimes as mongers we need to look at the big picture, I might get 5 free fucks, 10 silly cheap fucks and 1 girl in 2 years go nuts and demand payment for doing nothing, so on average its not end of the world although it does suck at the time when it happens.

Looking forward to the rest of the report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2510330]You need to scroll it up to the middle or top of your phone then choose the year first. It is damn near impossible if you are trying to do it on the bottom of your phone.[/QUOTE]Mr E, thanks for the input, but my point is: you can skip the hassle of filing the form AT ALL, just download my screenshot, show it at the counter and you're good to go! I did it on my flight back to states. Haven't even bothered to fill the form, just showed the screenshot from NY and Voila! I'm good to go!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2510264]My method with casa or strip club girls is to look for the attitude first. As you noted, the best looking girls know they are getting as many customers as they want. Why wear themselves out on one guy?

However, there's usually a more average looking girl who knows she has to bring her best effort if she wants the repeat customers.

Almost every casa lineup I've sat through, the best looking girls look bored. Meanwhile the girls with the attitude have never disappointed me.[/QUOTE]So true, yet so many board members are focused on finding a pretty face to fuck, versus someone who is going to fuck you back. When I hear guys rating the Chicas on the number scale of say 8's and 9"s that they are looking for, well than these guys will most definitely be disappointed with what will be available in El Centro. At the end of the day, when a woman's clothes are off, and you can't see their face, what really is the difference. Maybe another way of looking at it is as a blind taste test. So let's say you have two women, both with identical bodies, but one is a 5 and the other is a 9. So a guy fucks both of them, and the 9 is a dud, and the 5 is a superstar. So the choice for me will be the 5 hands down every time. So many stories of guys disappointed with the 9's sexually. To me they are just "trophy fucks", and usually poor performers, so I don't even waste my time with them.

Your analogy that the best looking girls are bored, so true, they know they are going to get pulled, and most times just lay there and flop around a little bit versus engaging you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2510312]Just an addendum.

"Siempre" is one of the words everyone should add to their toolkit. It's an immediate attention getter. It adds authority to your statements. "Pago despues" is indefinite, especially if you're reading it off of Google Translate. "Siempre pago despues" tells the girl nicely that you have been down this road many times and the discussion is over. You will pay her after you're done.

You can use it in all your negotiations. "Las chicas siempre quedan conmigo por dos o tres horas. " The girls always stay with me for 2 or 3 hours. "Siempre quiero dos polvos. " I always want 2 nuts. "Siempre recibo oral sin condom." I always get BBBJ. There's no guarantee you will get what you are asking for, but it clearly tells the girl what she's competing against.[/QUOTE]Just an addendum.

I've never heard anyone say I want two nuts using the word "polvo" which means dust or powder in Spanish. Most guys just say "dos leches" which is crude, a more formal way of saying it would be "dos relaciones" or you could say "quiero venir dos veces" meaning I want to come two times. I'm not sure how you would say I want to blow two loads, but I think you would use the verb "tirar" which is to throw. So that's your Spanish lesson for the day!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2510257]Everyone's situation is different. I personally find the concept of paying a subscription fee to meet women in Medellin utterly surreal. Even if there were not several free online sources for that kind of content it is just so easy to meet them anywhere and everywhere.[/QUOTE]YMMV. If you're paying $80/ mo (I don't know what the fee is, so just using a round number), and get a couple freebies, you've made your money back. Even one hot freebie, you may have made your money back. If you are into a certain type, or into the non-clock-watching semi-pros, then maybe it's worth it. It's much easier than Facebook, in my opinion. You set up your profile in a similar way, but with information that can be filtered (by chica & you). You sit and wait. You let it build up a few days, then message the girls you like. You get WhatsApp, and then make your own decision to approach the business side, immediately, or go along for the ride and see what happens. I feel like my experience was more than worth it. I found a lot of keepers off SA. I don't know if the crop has changed since the quarantine ended. As previously stated, the range I encountered was between free and 900.000 (I had one smoking hot voluptuous Vennie ask for $500, and I know we matched on Tinder then chatted on WhatsApp, but I can't recall if we originally matched on SA). I think for the younger guys with some coin and a go with the flow attitude, it's worth it. It also helps the non-Spanish speaking guys, as you can use Translator to communicate / negotiate, instead of face-to-face verbal. For the guys looking to save a buck, maybe it's not worth it. When I was using it, I was working 10-12 hour days in Medellin. So, being able to let it marinate and then have several options for a Friday night was ideal.

As most things in life and Colombia, make your own fucking decision. SJobs would've killed it on SA! RIP.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2510257]Everyone's situation is different. I personally find the concept of paying a subscription fee to meet women in Medellin utterly surreal. Even if there were not several free online sources for that kind of content it is just so easy to meet them anywhere and everywhere.[/QUOTE]It creates the illusion of a superior product. The girls must be better because you have to pay more to look at them. The same could be said when comparing girls at La Isla with girls at Grill Hilton (do any Gringos ever go there? La Isla is more comfortable and has much to recommend it, but you can find girls who are just as good or better working in the El Centro clubs.

Energy costs almost triple the El Centro casas. The facilities are nicer, but I can't say that the girls are considerably better.

However, we all see things through our own personal filters. I'd say the guys who stay and play in El Centro have less filters. You're there for women. You subtract the surroundings and see the beauty in the women. Guys who can't stand El Centro instead see the garbage and their filters add the garbage to the women. If you took the same woman they wouldn't touch behind Veracruz, stuck her in a $20 dress and some cheap high heels, then sat her down in Gusto they would call her a 9 or 10.

The reality (or the way I see things through my own set of filters) is that Medellin is full of beautiful women. You can find them everywhere and an almost unbelievable number of them are obtainable if approached correctly.

SA gives the opportunity, or an illusion of the opportunity to get the girls which guys classify as unobtainable.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2510282]Sometimes I am shock you consider yourself a veteran at Centro. The entire situation cost me 46 mil pesos including hotel. Thats $13. What happens in Centro means nothing as long as you walk out alive. Its like your not paying anything. Like a young man said. Its stick and move. Its not worth being a master in centro. I think you put weigh too much claim and ownership to centro. There's really way more to Colombia than centro. The place has become my go to if theres cancellation or I am shifting a date to another day. I share my story. Its nothing to be ashame about. I get nothing to be a superstar on this forum. So why should I tell superman stories. Surfer surfer. Wake up. Its not that serious. Its centro.

We talking $10 to $15. Not $50 $75 or $300.

By the way surfer. Centro has a body type for every mans preference. So your taste will vary from the next man. What centro lack is class and style of women..[/QUOTE]You appear to be spending more and more time in El Centro, and seem to be having a hard time accepting the transformation your going thru, it's kind of like your in denial as to what is happening to you, as evidenced by your daily El Centro Brief's, kind of like the President's Daily Brief.

Your slowly learning the ropes Grasshopper, and the in's, the outs, and how to navigate the terrain there, albeit you have been stubbing your toes along the way in becoming an El Centro street rat.

Just imagine when you have mastered El Centro and all it's magical charm.

I can see how it would be easier than facebook because it does not involve literally billions of uninterested parties. The other facebook issue that's been discussed from time to time here is of course personal data privacy. Something that does not really exist on facebook. It's important enough that I will repeat that creating a separate single purpose facebook account offers little to no privacy protection. The technical details of that are too boring to go into here but interested parties should research it if there is any possibility what you do on facebook could land you in family court. Seeking Arrangement is marginally more private but some of you may be old enough to remember the groundbreaking Ashley Madison incident. I was not a user but it certainly opened my eyes. So anyway back to the subject at hand. I agree with the way you framed it slapshot. Youth and cash are advantages on Seeking Arrangement as they are with most everything else in life. I can see how Seeking Arrangement can be helpful if there is a preference to be inside with a keyboard in front of us. During the lockdown of course it was not a preference it was our way of life. Now that we again have freedom of movement Seeking Arrangement is for me at least less compelling. Guys should consider the source of these views. A Centro rat. LOL! But seriously even if we are laser focused on finding our version of the most beautiful girl we can find there is no denying the pool of candidates is vastly larger out in the real world than it is on any website. But again you have to go out into the real world and interact with that pool. Seeking Arrangements and similar resources pre filter uninterested parties and of course offer the convenience of access across a keyboard and monitor.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2510446]YMMV. If you're paying $80/ mo (I don't know what the fee is, so just using a round number), and get a couple freebies, you've made your money back. Even one hot freebie, you may have made your money back. If you are into a certain type, or into the non-clock-watching semi-pros, then maybe it's worth it. It's much easier than Facebook, in my opinion. You set up your profile in a similar way, but with information that can be filtered (by chica & you). You sit and wait. You let it build up a few days, then message the girls you like. You get WhatsApp, and then make your own decision to approach the business side, immediately, or go along for the ride and see what happens. I feel like my experience was more than worth it. I found a lot of keepers off SA. I don't know if the crop has changed since the quarantine ended. As previously stated, the range I encountered was between free and 900.000 (I had one smoking hot voluptuous Vennie ask for $500, and I know we matched on Tinder then chatted on WhatsApp, but I can't recall if we originally matched on SA). I think for the younger guys with some coin and a go with the flow attitude, it's worth it. It also helps the non-Spanish speaking guys, as you can use Translator to communicate / negotiate, instead of face-to-face verbal. For the guys looking to save a buck, maybe it's not worth it. When I was using it, I was working 10-12 hour days in Medellin. So, being able to let it marinate and then have several options for a Friday night was ideal.

As most things in life and Colombia, make your own fucking decision. SJobs would've killed it on SA! RIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2510265]All the intellectual banter & ratings aside. REAL available Colombian women (not the hookers) close to 1/2 of the Seeking girls. Challenge any pre-existing thinking we bring with us from the USA. I try to explain the difference to my brainwashed friends. When they see photos of the girls I am seeing here. They think it's not possible. When I tell them their actual professional backgrounds or that they are students of law, engineers, stewardesses, models etc. They go into denial. Finlay when I mention they want relationships above money and are financially secure and want someone to respect them at their level. That is far beyond almost anyone in Sex Prisons comprehension. LOL Even here on this "mongering" list. So give up all that false logic and enjoy. Find your #1's & 2's. 9's & 10's The path may be tough, the rewards exceptional.[/QUOTE]You can go online and buy a superior cut of meat and have it shipped to your door. Or you can go to a butcher shop, get an identical cut and pay less. However, most people just grab whatever they see on display at the grocery store.

Most of us spend our early years learning our place. We watch the people we grew up with go to some local school, marry a local girl, come back take a local job and they never even think what's over the horizon. We're the exceptions. We've gone over the next hill to see what's there and in the process learned that the world is different from what we were told.

But most of us are still bound by our local superstitions. We can go to another country and have beautiful women with ease. We can be more comfortable with them than most of the guys back home can be with their plane Jane wife who they've been sleeping with for 30-40 years. However, when we go back home, that beauty queen, 20-30 years younger than us, still looks unobtainable. She probably is willing and ready, if approached correctly.

SA takes away the pressure of approaching the beauty queens, the models and cheerleaders, the university students and white collar successes. Other than the subscription fee, there's no risk. You're just an anonymous guy, dangling his line and hoping for a bite. If a girl shows no interest you can tell yourself you weren't really interested and move on. It provides an emotional safety net.

It also adds the convenience of online shopping, combined with the illusion of a better girl. Maybe they are all better girls. I'll leave that for others to decide. Instead of flying to Medellin and striking up a conversation with the cashier at Falabella, working your way around to getting her number and suggesting a date, you can send 10 messages and get 6 or 7 numbers, all who are interested in a date. Once your plane lands you're already at the "are we fucking or not" stage, instead of looking for the girl at the mall who makes eye contact and smiles at you.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2510335]Thank you for sharing this report, all of it is extremely valuable. I am still debating whether or not to use fb but I am unlikely to as most of the reports seem like some of these girls are complete loose cannons. Maybe taking drugs beforehand and they know that all they have to do is kick up a fuss and make a scene in order for them to get paid for doing nothing. That girl sounds like a real basket case.

It sucks that this happened on your first night and I had my fair share of disasters also. When I arrive somewhere I always tend to rush and want to do everything on the first day, I think I won't be so quick to take anyone back to my apartment in MDE unless I've road tested them first..[/QUOTE]You're drawing a conclusion without sufficient information. You're also not considering the entire situation.

By far, the majority of Facebook girls are excellent. Most of them fully understand that their performance will be reviewed, just as most of them share our performance with their friends. They realize that screwing over a gringo can be bad for business.

Now consider Vsebud's situation. The deal was 200 k + taxi for 2 hours. Since he had already paid for the taxi, she expected to leave with 200 k. 1 hour, 2, 3 or 4 hours, once she arrived, her mind told her 200 k was owed to her. When she only received half, she felt cheated. Yes, she was there for less than half the time, but that's not how Paisas think.

This is just my opinion. If he had talked with her about it in the room, which is difficult through Google Translate, and explained the situation nicely, she probably would have either stayed for the full 2 hours, or accepted 150 k without a fuss. By taking her outside and then only paying half, her immediate response was that he was cheating her. I'm not saying her response was justified, or that she deserved the full 200 k, but the trick to avoiding these situations is to understand both sides.

The "my mom called, I have to go", may have been a valid excuse. Her mom might have called before she arrived and said she could only watch her kid until a certain time. More likely she was just ready to leave.

My suggestion for longer sessions is to start slowly. You've got plenty of time. My real suggestion is to leave the time undefined. I have had good results telling girls I don't do dates by the hour. There's no need to rush. That way we can both relax and enjoy ourselves.

Start slowly. Talk about normal things, music, kids, the weather back home. Ask about her favorite place in Colombia or what places she would like to visit. When you're dealing with casa, street or strip club girls, you're on the clock. With Facebook girls you've got all the time you need. Just a little conversation helps change her attitude. You're no longer just a fuck she has to go through to get paid.

From there, control the pace. Some will still push to get it over with. If you're a DATY guy, you can easily add 20 minutes to the session and completely change her attitude. If you brought a wand vibrator, you can accomplish the same thing without your jaw getting sore. Find her spots. If you can push her buttons and turn the fake moans into "Dios mio" you're going to get a much better session and she won't be heading immediately to the shower.

Anyway, looking forward to the rest of Vsebud's reports.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2510407]Mr E, thanks for the input, but my point is: you can skip the hassle of filing the form AT ALL, just download my screenshot, show it at the counter and you're good to go! I did it on my flight back to states. Haven't even bothered to fill the form, just showed the screenshot from NY and Voila! I'm good to go![/QUOTE]I wouldn't advise that, especially on your inbound flight. While the airline may let you board, you run the risk of getting the wrong guy on the wrong day in Medellin and being sent straight back home.

I was having the same problems trying to fill out the form before my flight. It kept telling me my flight was not found. Turned out I had checked the wrong airport from the list. Eventually I went back and checked everything until I found the error.

Have a mileroticos girl come to your apartment. Befire She will ask for your apartment number and when she gets there money first. Its standard procedure. You certainly haven't dealt with any LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2510292]Prepago, although it translates to prepaid, is a generic term for hookers in Colombia. It doesn't necessarily mean payment in advance is required. They are all prepagos.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2510445]Just an addendum.

I've never heard anyone say I want two nuts using the word "polvo" which means dust or powder in Spanish. Most guys just say "dos leches" which is crude, a more formal way of saying it would be "dos relaciones" or you could say "quiero venir dos veces" meaning I want to come two times. I'm not sure how you would say I want to blow two loads, but I think you would use the verb "tirar" which is to throw. So that's your Spanish lesson for the day![/QUOTE]According to my Spanish dictionary, in Colombia, River Plata, Venezuela, and Spain, "polvo" can be heard as a vulgar slang equivalent of the English-speaking, guy-in the street's use of a "shag" (in the. UK) and a "screw" or a "fuck" (in the US of A). So true. , "polvo" is not a synonym for "una leche", but the usage apparently does have some street cred. That said, my ear for picking up on Spanish slang is too pathetic for me to say if I've ever heard "polvo" actually used in that way in the calles (y casas) of Medellin.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2510045]The dime looks much better than her. Unless the 3 puffs hour ago mess with my judgement. But the picture she sent me was stunning.

.[/QUOTE]Yes a little weed always make the girl look much hotter.

Alright so my first day is history and I must say I'm underwhelmed. To start I went to Luna luerna which suck never going again, Then I went to Gusto which is like Ibar there where some hot chicks but not many places closes at midnight so I went to an after hour spot a strip club called la isla closes at 4 am but it was the same chicks as gusto with a few new faces nothing crazy. Now I realize it's me as I've seen photos of chicks available I just don't no where they are. Some of it may be I'm not using facebook but I haven't seen one big fat fake ass and tits yet. It was my first day and I may be a tough judge but today I've got a tinder chick were supposed to meet for drinks also met a cool dude yesterday going try link up fase dos to see how that is. Right now I've seen hotter Colombia chicks in Panama than I'm seeing here if Fase dos disappoints I'm going to Cali Colombia Saturday.