Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2182160]I don't know, I don't see many Asian men stopping to chat with or walking off with an African girl on the stroll in the Bangkok red light areas. It is almost always farang men doing that. Maybe it is different inside certain clubs and discos where I am not there to observe it.

Like most, I assumed the African girls were going for less money than their Thai counterparts and willing to do more for the money because they were not what most farang punters have travelled 20-36 hours to Thailand to get.

But the better looking African girls apparently don't see it that way and feel their exotic difference and the satisfaction of "curiosity" is worth more and can stand alone as a reason to hold firm at or near their quoted price even if the quality of service provided is way lower. And they must be right.

Just this past week a visiting friend of mine spied a better looking than most African girl standing among other hopefuls outside Thermae. We had both seen her on the stroll along Sukhumvit near Sois 4 and 3 before. This time he approached her, chatted with her quite a long time while I stood far off to the side and did get her to come down from 3,000 to 2,000 for ST, her stating she was up for "everything" except anal.

Turned out, very much in sync with many Thai girls' definition of "everything", she was very reluctant to engage in DFK and BBBJ even as mere foreplay, not going to provide a CIM finish much less truly finish it with a polite and proper swallow and there was not going to be any BBFS happening either. So much for any reasonable definition of "everything". He said it was so much work on his part and so not worth the effort he wouldn't repeat if she came down to 200 baht for the next one.

And one interesting side note is she told him she was playing hide and seek with the cops for possible visa violation. So if any girl should have been sweet as pie about accommodating the desires for a discounted rate of a pleasant, attractive gentleman who would and could have been a go-to port in her storm over and over again on repeat sessions and to keep her off the highly visible stroll as much as possible, this girl was it. Yet, none of that motivated her to do even the rock bottom minimum without a somewhat abrasive and dismissive attitude in the room with a whole new list of services not included in the term "everything."[/QUOTE]

If you happen to read my past reports on Pattaya and Bangkok, you can see that I did not have much luck with the Thai girls on the GFE front. Given that Thailand is infamous as the mongering destination and with so many tourists descending on the place, I believe it has contributed to all these lousy attitudes that I had encountered from these working girls. Cold, mechanical and purely transactional. Compared to them, I think a sex robot can provide better intimacy, LOL.

My recent Bangkok trip could have been an unmemorable one. Luckily, I was able to meet up with a CIS girl who had made this Bangkok trip the best one that I have had in years among all other destinations. What an irony! Anyway, I do so not see Bangkok as a repeat destination for me in the near future.

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[QUOTE=Dante702;2182140]I am 29, and I've had the same experience in Manila. I agree, GF is the best way to go, because too many WGs are a waste. I haven't experienced Angeles though, yet, where I expect bareback and WG's being a waste to be minimal.

Your GF route, do you only keep one? Are they usually jealous or require being the only GF or about you not mongering on the side?

What are the compensation expectations of Thai GFs?[/QUOTE]Answering for myself and I think my "regular girlfriend" style choices are different from RobertLong's, I do with my girlfriends all the things he stated in his post but I have a stable of "girlfriends" to choose from for doing it. I do not have just one or two special gfs that are like this with me in that way, that is. I never pledge fidelity to them when we first meet, never tell them I am not having sex with other girls, never work to make them think I sit home and twiddle my thumbs between our meetings. I don't rub their noses in it. I mean when they ask throughout the day on Line, "What are you doing? "Where are you?" "Is the friend you are with a man or a woman?" and so on, I respond to their, imo, unjustified intrusive monitoring of my behavior with innocuous responses and give them the one they want to hear. When I do bother to respond to those kinds of repeated questions.

Meanwhile, it is a rare occurrence that one of my Thai girlfriends bolts in anger because it becomes clear I am using my precious and well-earned freedom to see other women. Quite the opposite. I have found my return to them after an absence, sometimes by as much as 2-3 weeks, that can only be logically explained as my partaking of other female sexual delights, is to embrace me more ardently, fuck more enthusiastically, suck more eagerly. Seriously, it is more likely that these women will envy your ability to act on genuine masculine freedom exactly the way they are certain they would if they had been born with a penis instead of a vagina and want to be closer to it rather than run away from it. Not saying they won't pout and send head-exploding Line stickers when you put them off for an entire week or two. But they somehow manage to get over it pretty quickly and right back into girlfriend mode.

In terms of compensation, it depends on the need. If you expect to have a very, very needy girl hang with you often, I'd say politely slip her a couple of thousand baht every week or so "To help your family" or whatever the issue has been. But most of my girlfriends have decent jobs, can pay their own rent, do not have horror stories to share about dying grandpa and grandma and will push back almost any offer even to pay for their taxi ride to meet me. But that doesn't mean they won't start giving me big doe eyes when the next 30,000 baht Samsung smartphone hits the market. LOL. See, that is something they can show their co-workers and cousins as evidence of your love other than selfies of the two of you laying in bed together.

[QUOTE]To others and RL. If there are so many options and girls, can't we just turn her away in the room, within 5 minutes, if she refuses bareback? I mean. That's my plan in Angeles is to say OK, no thanks, to any FL, and go back downstairs and find someone that will. I feel like this is a reasonable strategy, because it is just leveraging the truth, that you can just go back down and find someone else in 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]I have a feeling that will work better in the Philippines than in Thailand. Oh, sure, you can put a Thai FL out for any reason. But I wouldn't expect many to just take your wasting their time and perhaps even getting a free nude show in the shower before finding out they won't provide BBFS as passively and with so much understanding and acceptance as Philippino FLs unless you meant that you would also be paying whatever amount you agreed to pay anyway. Despite the impression some newbies might have that Thai hookers are desperate to do anything with anyone for money and that a decision to wear a condom or not is generally up to the customer for his own reasons, the fact is a Thai hooker who says she will give you "EVERYTHING" only says that to convince you to take her and is very firm in her mind that "EVERYTHING" excludes anything she just doesn't feel like doing this time or with you ever. Wearing a condom is something many if not most Thai hookers think or at least want to convince anyone within earshot that they think everyone in this game does all the time with very, very rare exception.

Therefore, a Thai hooker who is put out without the agreed upon baht amount because she won't give you BBFS when she has NOT agreed to do it before walking to your room with you will not take kindly to it, will likely not keep her mouth shut about what you just did and why for anyone in the lobby of your hotel and outside the door to hear, any other FLs she stands near and on and on. If it really matters that you not spend a baht more than necessary getting BBFS with Thai hookers and aren't willing to "go with the flow" and take a chance that all might turn out well in the room, I would recommend you getting a clear and unambiguous affirmative response to the question before you take one to your room.

I hit Bangkok late in the afternoon, threw the bags on the hotel floor, grabbed a shower then food and headed to Nana Plaza. Around 8.00, all the places were just filing in. I had a beer under the new canopy at the ground floor Bar and watched the activity. Headed up to level 3 around 8. 15 and hung around outside of Billboard with all the girls that were just about to go in. There were only maybe 6 girls inside and less than that number in guys. It was nice to see everyone just chilling outside in natural light and I took note of a few numbers. One of 3 super hotties present had obviously organised to meet some young dude outside as when he arrived they were off with smiles all round – never even entered the club, maybe just ducked inside to pay the bar fine, it all happened so quick I didn't catch it all.

I went in around 8. 30 and there were still only maybe 12 girls in, a few up on the rotating dance floor and maybe 3 in the tub and half that in guys. At about 9. 00 there was probably a full crowd of 30+ girls and probably the same in guys. The mamasan, whom I had just met, was sitting next to me with her arms around me and we were having a bit of a laugh as a girl I had been eyeing stepped down from the stage and walked past. Apparently on her way to a dude (which I only found out later). I motioned to her as she was walking past and she looked at me and the mamasan for direction on what to do. Mamasam gave me the nod. I guess it always pays to be friendly to everybody, yes be aware of what their motives are but a smile and friendly banter does payoff.

So this young 20 year old stunner sits with me for a drink, her English was basic at best so after 10 minutes we are off. I pay the bar tab which was a drink for me 200, drink for the lady 320 ish? And then pay my girl the 700 bar fine which she took to the cashier and we were off. I pay her quote of 3000, don't see the point of negotiating down to 2500 as she had been really reasonable with everything up to this point. I do apologise to the guy that ended up with her friend and they both gave us a big wave and smile as we were leaving so Kudos to you buddy – you are a true gentleman and I honestly didn't know she was on her way over to you until I thought about it much later.

We get to the hotel and it turns out she has only been there a short time and was very new. Her looks are simply stunning, perfect bikini body, no baby or other scars and I would go as far as say that she was one of the most stunning working girls I had seen anywhere. Now this is where it is hard to review her. She was really shy and obviously very inexperienced. So, little foreplay, she really didn't know what to do, but once I started to rub her pussy she got really wet and started to writhe a little, I jumped on top and she got into it, hanging onto to me in a really intimate type of way, burying her head into my neck and moaning louder and louder, very GFE type of action. It all appeared genuine and she was so sweet. I don't really care if it is genuine or not as I am there for myself, but I would say she has only had limited sex in her life and it is all a new experience for her. I personally prefer a PSE, I have a nice GF back home so don't really need the intimacy from a worker but it was an interesting sweet experience.

I am the kind of guy that likes to repeat, I believe if you find someone that does it for you it is worth going again and exploring further until it is time to move on and find the next best thing. I like to build a few regulars in different places and rotate through them all the while replacing the ones that drop off with the never ending supply of new ones. With this girl the starting point in experience is so low that I don't know that it is worth repeating. It would just take too long to get her more into the PSE mould that I prefer. I believe it would be possible just probably not a good risk / reward scenario. She did ask a few times when I am going to see her again to which I used the "duck and weave" boxing strategy so not to answer directly, maybe I will..or maybe that cute little spinner that I almost took would be a better option, she did look crazy and probably up for anything. It is good to be back Bangkok.

Please note: I prefer not to say the girls number. I believe in sharing info about the place and then leaving it up to the individual to search out what does it for them at the actual place.

Got a good looking mid 20's takeout from Thermae on Monday night around midnight. There were plenty of choices available, not too many mongers, and several were making eye contact. The price was settled at 2500 after a very short negotiation. I asked all the right questions about DFK, BBBJ and DATY and the girl agreed to all in the bar. But, once in the hotel, she was very resistant to all of these. The session was a disaster and I asked her to perform a massage instead. This seems to be the trend in Thermae these days, similar to other recent reports. I will probably try TF / TC on my next visit.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2182554]
I went in around 8. 30 and there were still only maybe 12 girls in, a few up on the rotating dance floor and maybe 3 in the tub and half that in guys. At about 9. 00 there was probably a full crowd of 30+ girls and probably the same in guys. The mamasan, whom I had just met, was sitting next to me with her arms around me and we were having a bit of a laugh as a girl I had been eyeing stepped down from the stage and walked past. Apparently on her way to a dude (which I only found out later). I motioned to her as she was walking past and she looked at me and the mamasan for direction on what to do. Mamasam gave me the nod. I guess it always pays to be friendly to everybody, yes be aware of what their motives are but a smile and friendly banter does payoff.

We get to the hotel and it turns out she has only been there a short time and was very new. Her looks are simply stunning, perfect bikini body, no baby or other scars and I would go as far as say that she was one of the most stunning working girls I had seen anywhere. Now this is where it is hard to review her. She was really shy and obviously very inexperienced. [/QUOTE]You arrived at the perfect time, to get to see the best looking girls. One was taken already pre booked.

Hope it was not the big fat mamasan. She is not to be trusted (to return the change) and will always be sucking up for drinks and tips. Well worth avoiding.

It is not at all unusual here to have the penalty for choosing such a hot fresh young girl, to find they are very shy, inexperienced and lacking in skills. Happened to me too. Luck of the draw. I had one excellent girl as well, but no pornstar types.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2182178]If you happen to read my past reports on Pattaya and Bangkok, you can see that I did not have much luck with the Thai girls on the GFE front. Given that Thailand is infamous as the mongering destination and with so many tourists descending on the place, I believe it has contributed to all these lousy attitudes that I had encountered from these working girls. Cold, mechanical and purely transactional. Compared to them, I think a sex robot can provide better intimacy, LOL.
[/QUOTE]That seems very non typical. You must have chosen the wrong girls, or somehow you were the wrong guy for them. I did not read, so I don't know if you built chemistry somehow or not. I try to have fun with a bargirl first, before deciding on her. I certainly have a stable of girls that I repeat regularly who give a very GF like Experience. Certainly not cold and mechanical. They can let themselves go. Even working girls can get horny and want to cum sometimes.

Not all girls are beautiful kissers. That is something to try to find out quickly. One girl almost can't keep her tongue out of my mouth, she is into kissing that much. Doesn't smoke too.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2182174]Yeah and so is BBBJ (OWOW). Wink wink. Seriously, go read the German FKK forums. There was a 6 month BBBJ lull and then right back at it- tho some girls are charging 50 more. But CIM was always 50 up charge, so moot for me. AO is still quite available at a handful of clubs (don't expect high optics tho).[/QUOTE]I did not experience any 6 month lull, nor have I made an agreement to pay extra for a BBBJ. At 2 major venues, never had a CBJ despite the change in law. Not much useful info on the German forums. I don't bother to read them any more. I would agree with you though, despite BB being outlawed (BBFS must have been illegal for years), likely to make little difference (so cannot see the relevance of Geckko's comment - AO clubs were ever fully legal? LOL). Not really relevant to Bangkok. Lots of things happening in Bangkok are not completely legal either.

I hardly ever had a CBJ in Bangkok. Really can't remember the last one, not that it would have been memorable. LOL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2182033]The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.

I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.

I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.

I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.

RL.[/QUOTE]A GF is not best for everyone, especially as not all GFs provide totally adequate levels of sex. Can be a money trap unless she needs no support whatsoever. What does a beautiful young girl need a really old guy for? (can't she do any better? Yes I am old enough). WGs can be cheaper. Also many others are seeking to have more variety.

Can be better to have a Gik instead of GF, or a girl in an inbetween status, I. E. Not your main wife, but a secondary one.

I have main GF (plenty of years), secondary one (Gik), and also WGs. None of the these are totally perfect from all perspectives. It needs trimming back. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2182718]I did not experience any 6 month lull, nor have I made an agreement to pay extra for a BBBJ. At 2 major venues, never had a CBJ despite the change in law. Not much useful info on the German forums. I don't bother to read them any more. I would agree with you though, despite BB being outlawed (BBFS must have been illegal for years), likely to make little difference (so cannot see the relevance of Geckko's comment - AO clubs were ever fully legal? LOL). Not really relevant to Bangkok. Lots of things happening in Bangkok are not completely legal either.

I hardly ever had a CBJ in Bangkok. Really can't remember the last one, not that it would have been memorable. LOL.[/QUOTE]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2182795]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.[/QUOTE]If you rent an apartment by the month, and eat Thai food, you will be much better off in Thailand. If stay in Hotels, it does not make much difference.

If you want a quickie or several quickies (30 minutes each), you are better off in FKK. Once you want a girl for long time like 2 hours to all night, Thailand becomes a lot cheaper. Once you want CIM and anal, you are better off in Thailand with no surcharges.

With unlimited funds, yes, I too would live in continual procession of FKKs (there are guys that do that), till it dies out, and keep choosing the odd stunner. You can even do Thai girls in FKK, should you find a pretty one. On average they give more reliable service was my experience (over European girls), and some black girls (if find a pretty one) are way better than the BKK black girls (on average).

Clearly we like both, but you get what you pay for. Both styles have a very limited percentage of really pretty girls (with hot bodies too).

On my last trip to Thailand I did not have a single memorable sexual experience which has contributed to me souring on the place. Prior to that I have always had memorable sexual experiences which kept me hooked on Thailand.

Before my trip I got some solid leads on girls I wanted to meet in Bangkok from Thai Cupid. Most of them flaked out once I got there and the mongering couldn't save it. I only went out to the bars a few nights on my trip and I went to Nana Plaza where I had so many great encounters in years gone by.

Had a bad experience at Spanky's where I was hassled by a service girl after sitting there for maybe 20 minutes or so, she holds up my drink and tells me if I don't order anything soon I'd have to leave. I'm usually the most generous customer around and once I get warmed up I buy endless round of drinks for staff and the girls since I don't drink much myself and not the type to nurse one drink for hours. Up to that point I was still trying to get a feel for some of the girls on stage and none of them returned my smile or look, but right before this service lady hassled me, a cute girl on stage started smiling at me just before her dance rotation ended. I was going to ask for her until this incident. So I approached what I assumed was the foreign manager in the back and his attitude was less than impressive to say the least. I told him what happened and instead of being professional and courteous, tries to shift the blame on me and insinuates that since it's a busy club, they do what is needed. And then he condescendingly tells me that if I felt that bad about it, he'd buy me a drink. Needless to say I check binned and left no tip.

And then it dawned on me, this exact same thing happened to me six years ago in, you guessed it, Spanky's. At that time, I contacted the owner / manager by e-mail and he was very apologetic and said that the lady involved no longer worked there. Whatever.

I did have a good time at the Rainbow bars though, friendly service staff and I ended up barfining a girl for short time on the premises. The sex wasn't all that great, kind of mechanical. Before my stop in Bangkok I actually spent a few days in Pattaya in order to catch up with an old friend and I barfined one girl from a Soi LK Metro gogo and the sex was not that great either. Ditto with a Soi 6 girl.

At that point I was just so bored and tired of it all and spent most of my time in my hotel room or going out to eat and catch a movie.

FKK vs. Thailand can be argued until we are blue in the face. Personally I was a FKK guy for 5 years making 6 trips per year but since I discovered Thailand I only visit Germany annually and I have moved to Pattaya. Imo the biggest contributing factor is whether you prefer Thai or Romanian girls. There are exceptions to the rule but imo there is no GFE from Romanian girls. Thai girls can give you the perception of a GFE.

Price wise both are comparable for a day of fun. A top gogo girl in Pattaya will run a non-expat 2000 barfine, 5000 overnight, 1000 food and snacks, 2000 drinks at gogo bar, totaling 10,000 baht per night. Add a few thousand baht if you're going to Hollywood disco. 10,000 baht in Germany would be FKK club entry and 2 girls for 1 hour. Give me the Thai girl who has just given her all for 18 hours from 9 pm until 3 pm the next day over 2 Romanians for 2 hours total. Regardless of price I know which I prefer to do for my 18 hours. FKK clubs are also extremely boring unless you're with a girl or a group of buddies.

Don't get me wrong Romanians can be beautiful but so are the TOP end Pattaya gogo girls. I'm not referring to 98% of the Thai girls you can get for a fraction of the cost.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2182795]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.[/QUOTE]I have been visiting the FKKs in Germany every year, for the past 12 years, and I mus have done 15+ trips there. I agree that you find some really hot girls there, but there is hardly any GFE. The sessions tend to be more business like and hence mechanical, whereas in Thailand I've had quite a few sessions that were GFE. I am not sure what you mean by "pure mongering".

I agree that the FKKs are great in the summer, with the outdoor pools, barbecue, and the girls tanning there, quite a sight! Planning to be there in late June / early July.

I can quickly clarify this debate. As long as you are not opposed to Romanian or Thai girls, anyone experienced mongerer MUST try both places. Jakarta is another must try destination if you're coming to Thailand.

Don't come to Thailand if you want TOP girls and think it's cheap. It isn't! I'm sure guys don't go to German FKK clubs looking for a Sylvana over a Kate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2180909]

Their passive behavior struck me as similar to the way they generally behave in venues where Japanese customers dominate, such as Thermae.[/QUOTE]

A very astute observation. Never occurred to me the girls at Thermae act passively the way they do because this is what their Japanese customers want.