Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

If you bump to $300-400 you could have some luck but your method is handicapping you. You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by. Fortunately for me I don't find most white women attractive. LOL. (And I dont mean black either though. Latina and south Asian are my sweet spot with black after that and white dead last).[/QUOTE]Yes, I splurged on the $500 pussy and was pleasantly surprised. She is now in my stable for once a week. Have tried one of the black girls with the big nostrils and boobs, but not sure when I will repeat with her if ever, she was a little weird trying to do a little dance in my apartment before and after sex and she was not very talented in the dance. Put off the black street walker looking woman for a few more days.

However there still are remarkable jewels in the $200 massage parlors for days when I want a cheap fuck. I am a value shopper, have more money that I could ever spend, so value is the answer not costs. My budget is what the woman is worth, although I do not tell them that or they will inflate their prices.

Most of the white women are dead fishes that expect us to pleasure them, they want their orgasm and figure we will cum anyway and be happy and all they have to do is lay there and moan a little when we do all the work.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.[/QUOTE]My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2774111]If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.[/QUOTE]I always start with $200 if the woman is not top tier and half the time they accept that amount. The black girl with big tits and nostrils accepted 200 and she was a fairly good fuck.

If the woman is top tier I ask what their last SD gave them and usually then tell me a figure that is $100 more than what he really paid them, so I tell them I am not rich (a lie) and say they should go back to their previous SD or accept $100 less and half the time they accept less. Women usually come up with some lame excuse why they are not able to go back to their previous SD, which is not true, like he moved away to another city. I have heard them all. But really they have the problems or they would be with their past arrangement, women normally do not want to leave a decent guy. Its the men that end it because they are bored with or sick of the girl and want something new.

Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.

Another trick question women have is, "How long since you been divorced?" This is often asked in person or on the phone to get a spontaneous answer. They really do not care how long, they just ask it to make sure you are not still married, and they get their answer in the back door by asking "how long since". If you hesitate then they say you are a liar, because it took so long for you to answer.

Women are a cunning breed. Us men need to stick together and share all the information on this website to know all the tricks they are conspiring against us all the time! They read women's magazines. They talk among themselves.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2774515]Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.[/QUOTE]Yes, never give a number first. What I used to do is turn it around and say, "What would make you happy"? Or, "What are you looking for"? One chick got mad and stopped talking to me. I didn't give a damn! Once you've given a number you've played your hand. You don't want to go first. Make them go first. After all you're not the one asking for money, they are! You already have it. And yes, never buy a car just from looking at it online! LOLOLOL!

I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2770032]It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2774610]I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?[/QUOTE]I haven't used SA in Tijuana before. There are so many hot women in San Diego there's no time for Tijuana. Before Sa I used to monger in Tijuana almost 20 years ago. Are you familiar with the club scene and zona Roja in Tijuana? My brother moved to San Diego 5 years and is total square. He made a trip across the border and he is a different man now. He knows the clubs and many of the people working in the clubs. Lot's of women from Colombia, Venezuela and other places in Central America.

The border is different now than when I first went there 20 years ago. When you cross into Mexico you have to show your passport and have your bags screened. You have to keep that in mind if you go there it takes a lot of time so you have hit the clubs.

It's a hard decision you might get messages from Tijuana but it wasn't worth the hassle for me. It depends on what you like and how much you want to spend. You can get 20 something Latinas on the US side for $200-$400.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2774481]My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.[/QUOTE]In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.

Seeking scene in Tijuana is mixed. It's not a huge market. If you do it a while you see it's the same girls over the long haul. They create and recreate accounts. And many of them are escorts on the side. Or I assume they are. Like the 19 year old hottie with fake boobs and thigh tattoos. It's not the same as cdmx. But there are diamonds in the rough there. It's just a smaller market so fewer true options. A city like Cdmx with 20 mm people has endless supply of girls popping up. Tijuana is like 10 percent of that size.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2774610]I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2774653]In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.[/QUOTE]I agree. Some may be less pros, but if they are watching the clock, they have no interest in a relationship. No sense in using SA to meet a pro. There are easier ways. I agree with Steve. If you find the gems, they are amazing because they trust you to take care of them. Yes, it is expensive compared to the pros, but compare that to a girlfriend you would be willing to marry. It is much cheaper. You are not responsible for caring for them for a very long term. Plus, I rarely find a pro that really likes sex. There are a few, but they have problems and are unstable. Sex is so much better when the girl is really into it, especially when you are taking a long trip with her. You can go again and again with the girl initiating the sessions. The gems are hard to find, but I would pay a lot when I find one. Being cheap does not pay. You have to make the girl feel special, and that takes time and money.

Agree with everything you are saying. But have to add in the local costs also. If you don't have a place then the cost of the hotel.

Overseas trips do cost but you have to factor in the quality of women, how long they stay with you? Do you like having them stay overnight, travel with them, the adventure of visiting new places, news restaurants. On the other side you have to count for the time it's taking you to travel, missed work and opportunity cost of that.

No perfect answer, I personally prefer to travel.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2745453]Yes, but your time is worth something too, with the travel time to the airport, arriving 2 hours early at airport, then you have to pay for a hotel, air fare, etc. So Mexico City is an option, but you are paying one way or another to get a cheaper woman.

I told my barber I had gotten a haircut in the Philippines for only $2. 20. He said, "Well how much did the airfare cost to get that haircut?" Fucker retired during covid, now I use clippers myself and it seems to be a better solution, no waiting in the barber shop and decent haircuts.[/QUOTE]

I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.

I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2776498]I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.[/QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2776750]I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.[/QUOTE]