Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2918448]If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.[/QUOTE]I was only in Ho Chi Minh for a couple of days last week but I made a point of going past the bar that imo ripped me off in March. I was added an "infatuation fee" because I messaged the girl on Zalo to see if she was working that night. I was also charged the bar seat fee which I negotiated not to be charged when I walked in. Sure it's not even $20 US but like you say it's about being treated with respect especially when they know I return to the city often.

Anyways, walked passed the bar in Little Japan. Minh Tu was so happy to see me. She grabbed and held on to me for dear life. She tried pulling me into the bar. I said don't you remember last time I said I would never walk into your bar again. She feigned ignorance. Then I told the bar manager who is pretty hot see what happens when you rip off a regular. Pulled Minh Tu's arm from around me and started talking to a girl 2 bars down. Minh Tu has not stopped messaging me on Zalo since sending me photos of herself and how she misses me. Her momentary greed collecting the "infatuation fee" and not defending me for no bar seat fee has cost her dearly in the long run.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2918353]Examining every bill when it is delivered is standard procedure for Thais. I know this from having dinners or lunches with them and they pick up the "check bin". There is nothing rude about doing this. SOP in Thailand. Legitimate mistakes can be made.

Sam.[/QUOTE]First rule I learned getting off the plane ages ago. Examine every bill. Or pay for each one as they come.

For me, the gents club are not only the best value for your buck, but the fun and mileage you have and get with the ladies is amazing. First of all, the gents clubs are very laid back. I go in and can play whatever music I want. It's like your friendly neighborhood bar. Secondly, the alcohol is cheap, even the lady drinks are on the lower side, 150 Baht. Third, the girls aren't pushy and they get naked after getting a few drinks. If you buy them a few wracks they will give you a BJ right there in the bar. Fourthly, the cost for ST is very affordable. The standard 1500 Baht. Good customers aren't even charged for the room in some cases. That was the case for me recently. Finally, the girls are always great fun and they do almost anything. Recently, I had a threesome in a gents club. 1500 each girl. For a tip, it was BBFS CIP both girls. No nonsense with changing condoms and they were both hot and sexy 25 years olds. Love it!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2918441]Bareback definitely not for me.[/QUOTE]Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.

[QUOTE=Kontiki;2918419]Lots of bars on soi six are infamous for this, had this occur during my last trip in April when I was sitting with the same girl and had ordered her a ld and myself a new beer, got the updated bill and it had gone from 2 ld+1 beer to 5 ld+2 beer, I pointed out the mistake, the girl went to talk with the mamasan who offered a quick apology and it was fixed.

No point in causing a scene or being upset or aggressive like these guys but on the other hand don't be stupid and naive, these people aren't your friends.[/QUOTE]This is the best way to handle this. You need to always be checking your bin so you can address any issues immediately. The problem with most guys is they get drunk and never check their bin. When it comes time to pay, they either forget or the mistake happened long before they decided to check bin. You have to address the mistake immediately. Always check your bin after each time you order. Never cause a big scene over a few baht. People get drunk and when that happens, we all lose our minds. LOL.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2917733]I think it is all part of the Night Wish Group business strategy, they own a big chunk of the soi 6 bars. They focus on "drinks only" venues and their girls are instructed so.

Was the same when they ran 2-3 bars in pothole (blue, orange or whatever, maybe they still own them): drinks only, girls trained to lightly tease but not hands on by all means. Just a continuous flow of drinks, diluted for the girls. Good for the girls not willing to spread legs every second hour. Inspired by Japanese and Korean whisky lounges. Where customers spend endless hours with a bottle of whisky and the girls pouring in the glasses. No sex, just getting devastated and drunk patrons then in the streets.

Each one his own.[/QUOTE]Honestly, the bars' only strategy is always to sell drinks. The revenue from the short time rooms won't pay the salaries of the girls. To me this strategy on Soi 6 has always been the same. The reason we hear more and more complaints these days is that business is not the same as before. There are less guys coming in buying drinks for the girls. Before, it was balanced out. The were enough guys buying lady drinks so the Cheap Charles could crack as normal. It's not that way now. The girl might be happy to get her ST fee, but she won't have a job for too long if she can't make her drink quota. These girls don't want to freelance for many obvious reasons. Therefore, not making a drink quota gets them kicked to the curb. I know many girls who told me about this. They bounce from bar to bar because of it. The bar needs to sell drinks to make money and pay salaries. This Soi 6 trend is not new and it's normal for all bars if they hire contract girls.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918555]Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.[/QUOTE]What about the freelancers on beach road?? Do they also provide BBFSCIP with or without a tip??

Asking for myself LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2916665]Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.[/QUOTE]Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918569]Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.[/QUOTE]What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?

[QUOTE=OldJack;2918574]What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?[/QUOTE]Check the Bangkok section of the Thailand section. The name of one of the sites is Few Fans, but there are plenty of them.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918563]Honestly, the bars' only strategy is always to sell drinks. The revenue from the short time rooms won't pay the salaries of the girls. To me this strategy on Soi 6 has always been the same. The reason we hear more and more complaints these days is that business is not the same as before. There are less guys coming in buying drinks for the girls. Before, it was balanced out. The were enough guys buying lady drinks so the Cheap Charles could crack as normal. It's not that way now. The girl might be happy to get her ST fee, but she won't have a job for too long if she can't make her drink quota. These girls don't want to freelance for many obvious reasons. Therefore, not making a drink quota gets them kicked to the curb. I know many girls who told me about this. They bounce from bar to bar because of it. The bar needs to sell drinks to make money and pay salaries. This Soi 6 trend is not new and it's normal for all bars if they hire contract girls.[/QUOTE]I had paid a lot of LD before. Today I don't do that anymore. Today I have to pay 150 baht for a small glass of sugar water. The little glass is then very quickly empty and the girl asks for a new drink. I used to ring the bell sometimes too. I don't do that anymore. When I'm horny I go on TF or flirt with someone in the supermarket or on the beach. No BF and no 150 baht sugar water.

If the bars change their mind and I can buy a girl a beer or another drink for a reasonable price, then I'll go to bars again. The bars used to be so full that you sometimes had to wait to get a seat. But 150 baht of sugar water won't fill a bar.

The bar operators are not really good business people.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2918533]Agree, we don't know what happened as to what set off the events. The last report I read the 3 have admitted to the fight and has gotten a tongue lashing from police in charge of case. The spokemans has said unless a complaint is file they can't retain the 3 individual as of yet they haven't been able to locate them searching CCTV as to where they might have gone. If there is a guy in the hospital or ICU, I'm sure the keystone cops would have been able to figure that one out?

Reality these freelancers work for someone or a number of someone's but those names aren't being mentioned for reasons. From my experience these types of jobs when created normally comes from friends of already police in this district would be Soi 9, or Banglamung, someone has to endorse these jobs guys just can't decide one day we are going into the security business. That being said the things that always happen is they make a big show and tell scene this is all for tourist benefits they are safe but swept under the rug.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree but I do think the other tourist are afraid of their safety maybe some treats there way or maybe they don't want to come public to be enemy number one because Thailand is under some real heat with this. That's why I also think they are tryna take the heat off the subject to all the suddenly giving tourist now a 60 day free visa instead of 30 and so many more changes to the visas to bring in more people ( like a magic trick look at this hand of me doing good not this hand of me hiding the tricks ) and get the spotlight off the goons jumping tourists over 2800 bhatt I definitely find it weird we have no update on the guy in the icu yet I think he's dead and hope I really hope I'm wrong and he's okay but they ain't telling us for the backlash they will face they just want to push it under the rug until things die down people say they saw him walking back to the hotel but a YouTuber brought up a good point is that old footage of them just walking down the walking street before the incident. I don't like how we have 0 updates or stories from the tourist side to tell their side they are getting pushed aside.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2918588]Check the Bangkok section of the Thailand section. The name of one of the sites is Few Fans, but there are plenty of them.[/QUOTE]OJ, I believe EThai meant Fiwfans and not "Few Fans".

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2918589]If the bars change their mind and I can buy a girl a beer or another drink for a reasonable price, then I'll go to bars again. The bars used to be so full that you sometimes had to wait to get a seat. But 150 baht of sugar water won't fill a bar.

The bar operators are not really good business people.[/QUOTE]But you can choose what drink you want to buy for the girl. If you allow the girl to choose the sugar water then that is on you.

What are Soi 6 Prices now. Have not been to Pattaya since before the pandemic used to be cheap back then 300 to 400 for bar and 1000 for the girl. But have been quoted some very high prices as much as 2000 for bar fine and girls asking for 3000 to 4000. It all may depend upon how well they like you.