Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2193392]Jake,

First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.

I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.[/QUOTE]I really doubt that girls from the others bars in Soi Cowboy warned the door guys at CH to not let him in without paying a cover. In fact, many of the bars in Soi Cowboy are geared towards the lady drink model only with few to no barfines hapenning. Jake fits the type of customer that business model applies to and as we just read, he had good times in Soi Cowboy but in Nana where the barfine is key, he didn't have a good time. From my field data, only CH, Baccara, Sharks, amd Suzy Wong, are almost 100% Bar fine bars, and the rest are about 50/50.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2193246]In Korea its arond 3 to 4 dollar. Nothing brand named but still gets the job done.

I'm wondering if the costs is the same. Once again nothing brand named. Even the cheapest would do.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]In my case it cost me about 24,000 Baht to visit Thailand and I can only go once if lucky twice a year. It is a big investment of time and money and the last thing I worry about is how much I pay for lube! I usually buy KY before I leave and I'm happy with the knowledge that I have when I need it. This is a little bit like travel insurance, if you can't afford it you really can't afford to go.

[QUOTE=Jake251;2193421]I should point out that at RawHide, I specifically told the mamasan up front that it was for drinks only, not barfine. Why would they even bring the dancer over if she was only going for barfine? Maybe they would be disappointed in the end, but I don't see why they would be outraged when I told them upfront what I was doing.[/QUOTE]I really did enjoyed your report, it was like being a fly on the wall during your hazy trip through Bangkok. Kudos to you. There are many reports on the bars here but I guess little on how they work in regards getting the most on the experience. Here is my 2 cents on your specific comment and mistake above.

A lot of guys think the gogo bars are like strip joints back home, this is not the case, they don't want people sitting there just drinking all night. Think of them more like brothels but where as you only have say 5 minutes to make a choice in most countries in a GoGo bar think of this window being extended to say 30 to 60 minutes They want you to buy a couple of drinks, buy a couple of lady drinks and then barfine the girl and get out of there, the mamasan will also try and gouge a tip. All part of the model. While you are drinking they will constantly check if you have any thing left in your glass, there is a non defined time limit on how long you can sit on your drink If you want to deviate from this model you will need to tip people along the way or at least be happy to buy lady drinks as you are going along.

By telling her that you were only going to have a few drinks was a signal to her that you are a customer that they don't want in the club, doesn't matter if the club was packed or empty. Hence she was pushing you to either change your mind or leave. They are quite brutal in enforcing this model. You got the message and left.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2193321]If in doubt just click on the poster's name.
If "Private Message" comes up in the drop-down list of items then you can send them a PM.
If it's not there, then the poster is not a "member". HyBuddy cannot send or receive PMs.[/QUOTE]You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2193506]You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.[/QUOTE]Yes, regular members can use the PM system but they must buy a subscription to do so.

Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.[/QUOTE]Question is how are they affording those salaries? Evidently a front for some other shady business proceeds!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2193392]And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but purpose of all such venues is to make money by providing what the customer wants. The customer is one holding the purse, be it for drinks, looking around, having a decent time with the girls or barfining. Their job is to entertain us, it's not the customer's job to be highly attuned to their needs and throw heaps money at them in return for rather mediocre, borderline unpleasant attitude. Drink prices are already high enough as it is, you can have a decent dinner for the price of just one or two drinks in some agogo bars. If they're rude or standoffish, they deserve no business.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2193289]I always assumed you had to be a senior member for the PM system as well, but lately I was corrected that this is not the case (anymore). Regular members can use the PM system too.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?faq=member_type_questions#faq_membership_type_questions_01[/URL]

"Regular Members may post reports, view and upload photographs, and use the private message system."[/QUOTE]As a regular member, I can't view photos (though it looks like I am able to upload photos) or use the private message system (can't send, doesn't look like I can receive pm's either).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.[/QUOTE]I've seen these signs before (never that high though) and I always thought the meaning was "Earn up to" that amount. Not that they were going to pay the girls that much but that they could earn that if they went with customers.

Hmm. Have not seen either, yet.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today..... salaries from 20 k-50 k per month[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2193305]if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. [/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with this. If you had a good time with a girl at a bar you should tip her 100 or 200 baht if you liked her and got some mileage. Remember the girl only makes 50 baht per drink.

I read a few reports suggesting that they have changed their model to imitate what was happening in some bars in NEP particularly Rainbow 1.

So it is official now? Or it depends on how busy they are?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2193691]Sorry, but purpose of all such venues is to make money by providing what the customer wants. The customer is one holding the purse, be it for drinks, looking around, having a decent time with the girls or barfining. Their job is to entertain us, it's not the customer's job to be highly attuned to their needs and throw heaps money at them in return for rather mediocre, borderline unpleasant attitude. Drink prices are already high enough as it is, you can have a decent dinner for the price of just one or two drinks in some agogo bars. If they're rude or standoffish, they deserve no business.[/QUOTE]Excellent sensible post. They are in it to make money, I don't mind paying a certain cover charge or buying a drink in advance before entering but it also does not mean I am visiting such places to throw away money. I used to like Bacara and always made it a point to.

1. Order drink ASAP.

2. Never sit there w / o a drink or take too long to order next one.

3. Never waste anyone's time in senseless silly talking or putting my paws on anyone.

But now, it seems pendulum has swung the other way, they refuse entry even if you are buying drink before entering. Some Thai businesses are difficult to understand.

This is not a response to anyone post but just to add to the general discussion.

As a small business owner myself we make our money off the top 20% of our customers, customers that are relatively hassle free, are professional and make high value purchases. The next 65% of customers we make some money, but not as much as the top tier group but it is a profitable group and usually good people that are easy and a pleasure to deal with. I thoroughly enjoy dealing with the overwhelming majority of our customers.

The bottom 15% of customers we make nothing and they tend to think that we are there to serve their every whim which eats up more time and more resources than the top 20%, we lose money on this group and they cause more hassle than they are worth. They also are a downer on our staff with constant unreasonably demands and complaints that no reasonable person would make, morale killers basically. We actively try and get rid of the bottom 15% of our customer database, we are polite in dealing with them but our ultimate goal with this bunch is to move them to another company.

The term "the customer is always right" was coined about 100 years ago, you can google the origin and why it came about but it has not been a business model for 50 years or more.

A gogo bar doesn't want customers to sit on their own and just drink. The girls and bar earn nothing this way. Most importantly if the best girls are not earning money they will move somewhere else to where they do.

Ultimately if you want the best out of any gogo bar you to be at least aware of what they expect. I know dealing with this industry worldwide is not exactly the easiest but the odd THB 100 here (US $3) and there is all that is needed to keep everyone happy and ensure a good time by all.