Manila

[QUOTE=Illogic]A baller in urban language is a simply a person who has excess cash and looks like it. I don't know why the whole thug thing was added into the equation and I also don't know why the photo of the guy was posted. (Paul2020 thanks for the correction.)

As for Pegasus I was there last year multiple times and there were no Mamasan they had only a manager for the girls and that was it. I was told they have a massage place in the basement but no take out. One girl even refered to the take out request by other guys as an "indecent proposal." Not to mention the girls earn 90,000PHP per month. They are not pressed to sleep with men.

Factor in all this plus these girls also entertain Filipino movers and shakers, Senators, Filipino businessmen etc...I am sure they find us with our tourist/expat dollars amusing.[/QUOTE]


Yea, I knew what a Baller was. I just thought the picture was funny especially based on the definition. I'm sure the picture fits as this guy hanging with the girls looks like he would be there only because he has money.

Not sure why I got the service I got at Pegasus, I called the lady a mamasan, but manager would be the same. She came over and initiated the opportunity at the girls suggestion. So maybe the girl was in the mood for a foreigner that night, or knew as a tourist type customer to the Philippines I wouldn't mess up her usual situation with regulars. I've always had better luck getting laid by being the guy from out of town. The place was not very crowded at the time. Maybe she had extra bills she needed to take care of. Who knows, but I did get a take out. I tried to get her to stay once we finished the deal at the room, but she declined and insisted that she had to go back to the Club. It's been awhile for me in the Philippines, but I am working my way back. I'll be doing lots of research and taking pictures again once I do.

[QUOTE=Frequent Flier]Yea, I knew what a Baller was. I just thought the picture was funny especially based on the definition. I'm sure the picture fits as this guy hanging with the girls looks like he would be there only because he has money.

Not sure why I got the service I got at Pegasus, I called the lady a mamasan, but manager would be the same. She came over and initiated the opportunity at the girls suggestion. So maybe the girl was in the mood for a foreigner that night, or knew as a tourist type customer to the Philippines I wouldn't mess up her usual situation with regulars. I've always had better luck getting laid by being the guy from out of town. The place was not very crowded at the time. Maybe she had extra bills she needed to take care of. Who knows, but I did get a take out. I tried to get her to stay once we finished the deal at the room, but she declined and insisted that she had to go back to the Club. It's been awhile for me in the Philippines, but I am working my way back. I'll be doing lots of research and taking pictures again once I do.[/QUOTE]

You know I thought it was just me. I researched the forum did a quick history search of Pegasus and there is not a lot about guys getting pussy from there. Check it out for yourself. I had fun just sitting around the cream of the crop and feeling like a big shot for few hours anyway....Next time you out this way maybe we can check it out togather.

[QUOTE=Illogic]You know I thought it was just me. I researched the forum did a quick history search of Pegasus and there is not a lot about guys getting pussy from there. Check it out for yourself. I had fun just sitting around the cream of the crop and feeling like a big shot for few hours anyway....Next time you out this way maybe we can check it out togather.[/QUOTE]

This is a sex forum. All about good,bad,weird,unusual experiences. Why are we talking about sitting with beautifull girls and drinking and spending lots of money? This is Philippines, not a japanese geisha house. We are not in philippines for entertaiment purposes. We are there for sex pure and simple.

[QUOTE=Vicecaptain]I was in Manila last month seeking the Arena equivalent. My research on this suggested Miss Universal. A taxi driver told me the best two places in town are Miss Unversal and East Asian Entertainment KTV.

- can fellow mongerers confirm this?. Are there other venues that are comparable?

- I agreed to pay the 6000 peso bar fine but wanted to know how long girl would stay. She said she had to go to her provine in the morning so could only stay until 3pm. I told her I would give her 4000 peso tip. She said she could go to her province later and agreed to stay until 9am.

In fact, I took the taxi with her and dropped her back to Miss Universal and told the papasan how great she was. I also gave her a 6000 peso tip. She seemed happy.

Back to Asia enetertainment:

- paid the peso 6000 barfine and took her to hotel

I think she was up for another round. I gave her a peso 6000 tip which seemed to cheer her up.

So, overall, my question to more experienced people on this forum is where do I find the highest quality girls in Manila? I pay a premium (I know there is a debate to keep prices down and not spoil the girls but these girls are so beautiful and really need the money so I get some satisfaction in paying them a lot)

- Are the better places than Miss Universal and East Asia Entertainment.[/QUOTE]Hi Vice,

Thanks for the report and a great story. I would really love to see some pics of these highend ladies to get an idea of how premium this pussy really was? I must say you really have a gift for telling a sex story. We share a common interest in high-end pussy!

I will try to answer some of your questions although my experience is limited because I just don't find the value in these places.

I think the first thing to point out is that "the cab driver told you these were the places with the best looking women." The reason is because he got a huge tip for bringing you there. Also, I think it is important to mention that these places charge a cover charge just to walk thru the door. Somewhere in the neighborhood of Php 750-1500. Am I right?

Secondly, they are without a doubt the most expensive places to monger in the Philippines. By this I mean that they are not 10-20% higher, but double the going rate. It could follow to reason that they have the best looking women because the best women want to work where they make the most money. On the two occasions that I went to these places they did have a lot of good looking women there. I would confirm as a ratio that they have the best lineup I have seen anywhere in Manila. Although on the occasions I went the women had almost no interest in a white guy. Simple reason is because I think the Asian men are the only ones dumb enough to pay these prices. Put another way, as a foreigner you have so many freebees available to you why would you bother to pay a sucker price for something you can get for free.

What really worries me is you say that you have spent alot of time reading the posts others have made here. But, clearly you ignored everything you read. Every post I have ever seen on these clubs on Roxas Blvd start and end with the fact that they are a RIPOFF. Second and most important you pay these women the hugest tips they will ever receive in their entire lives. If you search the entire Philippine thread you would never find an instance where someone paid a tip like that. Several long term girlfriends that I have had in Manila have told me that if they got a job in the mall or a call center they might make 400 pesos per day. So you just tipped these women the equivalent of two weeks salary. Not to mention the barfine you paid or the fact that you negotiated with them to stay for longer periods and them let them leave early, but still gave them a bigger tip than agreed upon?

Please try to understand that these women all talk and share experiences. So when you over pay (drastically overpay) these women they tell all of their friends about it. Which means all of their friends are now in that club negotiating with every guy that comes in for 4-6000 peso tip. The next time someone barfines your girls they are going to expect a 4-6000 peso tip. And when none of these girls gets that huge tip promised to them, do you think they are going to give the kind of GFE that you got? No way! In short what you have just done is ruined these 2-3 girls for someone else that could of enjoyed them. It is the whole purpose of this board to share locations with hidden gems and share price info to keep others from getting ripped off.

I am sorry if I am being critical but all you have to do is look at mongering in some of the notorious places around the world to prove my point. Eastern Europe and Las Vegas. The last time I fucked girls in these places the service was so bad and so expensive the girls practically wouldn't stop texting long enough for me to have sex with them and this is after having paid several hundred dollars. It is also the reason people hate Americans. Its not because we're all so good looking, rich and cocky. It is because everywhere we go we ruin the fun by overpaying for poor service!

So please in the future pay the going rate and nothing more. Currently, in Manila the going rate for quality pussy, overnight is 3000 pesos. If she really knocks your socks, and clearly all of these girls did, give them 3-500 peso extra. When a girl says she will stay til 9 am make her stay. If she leaves early, pay her less.

Stay thirsty my friend!

[QUOTE=Devils 1]I would really love to see some pics of these highend ladies to get an idea of how premium this pussy really was? [/QUOTE]Me also.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]Put another way, as a foreigner you have so many freebees available to you why would you bother to pay a sucker price for something you can get for free.[/QUOTE]This is a myth. I have only seen this proven true with squatter girls and those provincial types who are "star struck" and don't know any better. Another tactic I see foreign guys use is to go after the girls that don't look so hot. Quantity over quality. If you come here and you chase the hi-so girls then it's going to take more than you being a foreigner with Pesos to get them. Go hangout at the Green Belt. Lot of expats here already. Most girls around Manila are not impressed.

I am in my 20s don't look like Jabba the hut and don't have girls falling all over me. I have the odd sale's girl flirt or girl off the street but thats about it. I only see this flirting when I am around the poor type.... me I am not impressed with them. If those are the freebies available I rather stick to the bars. Less headache. Also another knock on the freebie case if this was so true don't you think the bars would be out of business by now if it was so easy.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]What really worries me is you say that you have spent alot of time reading the posts others have made here. But, clearly you ignored everything you read. Every post I have ever seen on these clubs on Roxas Blvd start and end with the fact that they are a RIPOFF. Second and most important you pay these women the hugest tips they will ever receive in their entire lives. If you search the entire Philippine thread you would never find an instance where someone paid a tip like that. Several long term girlfriends that I have had in Manila have told me that if they got a job in the mall or a call center they might make 400 pesos per day. So you just tipped these women the equivalent of two weeks salary. Not to mention the barfine you paid or the fact that you negotiated with them to stay for longer periods and them let them leave early, but still gave them a bigger tip than agreed upon?

Please try to understand that these women all talk and share experiences. So when you over pay (drastically overpay) these women they tell all of their friends about it. Which means all of their friends are now in that club negotiating with every guy that comes in for 4-6000 peso tip. The next time someone barfines your girls they are going to expect a 4-6000 peso tip. And when none of these girls gets that huge tip promised to them, do you think they are going to give the kind of GFE that you got? No way! In short what you have just done is ruined these 2-3 girls for someone else that could of enjoyed them. It is the whole purpose of this board to share locations with hidden gems and share price info to keep others from getting ripped off.[/QUOTE]A I am not going to tell another man how to spend his money. If you can afford to drop 6K PHP man go for it but I would not drop 6K for a tip only. Total package... tip/barfine... ect....maybe.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]So please in the future pay the going rate and nothing more. Currently, in Manila the going rate for quality pussy, overnight is 3000 pesos. If she really knocks your socks, and clearly all of these girls did, give them 3-500 peso extra. When a girl says she will stay til 9 am make her stay. If she leaves early, pay her less.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% here.

[QUOTE=Sammon]This is a sex forum. [/QUOTE]Thanks for letting me with over 1000 post know this. I do believe ISG have evolved into much more.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Why are we talking about sitting with beautifull girls and drinking and spending lots of money? [/QUOTE]Is this a rhetorical question?

[QUOTE=Sammon]This is Philippines, not a japanese geisha house. [/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing this out. I live in PI and I lived in Japan. It's like comparing a balloon to a blimp when you try to compare the average Japanese hostess bar to Pegasus.

[QUOTE=Sammon]We are not in philippines for entertaiment purposes. We are there for sex pure and simple.[/QUOTE]Some of your guys are here for sex only. Some of us live here and just enjoy the sex as a added bonus :D

[QUOTE=Devils 1]
Although on the occasions I went the women had almost no interest in a white guy. Simple reason is because I think the Asian men are the only ones dumb enough to pay these prices. Put another way, as a foreigner you have so many freebees available to you why would you bother to pay a sucker price for something you can get for free.

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Wow...Great analysis...Do me a favor, could you please not let the sun go down in Manila too. You write as if, we have the control over entire planet.

Why you always pick up the weaker ones, the hookers and that too in a third world country.

Why dont you go to your own country with your analysis and tell your own Hookers to reduced the prices. why dont you do that ?

I'm an Asian and why the hell you think, Asian men are dumb enough to pay high prices.

Every one is either crazy, psycotic, dump if one does not fall into market prices.

We all know you come here as a cheap charlie and wanna live a life of a king exploiting the poor third world country hookers..

Why dont you go to Airlines and tell them to reduce the prices, why dont you go to the oil companies and tell them also to reduce prices.


Why dont you appriciate the fact that no body wanted you back in your own country not even your own hookers for the price you were willing to pay and when you come to someone else country you wanna exploit the weakest sections of society by paying even less... how low a man could go ?

And when an Asian man treats another human being with respect and pays the "fair price" you call him dumb.

Folks, Pay whatever price you like to pay to a girl....ever

We would never want to control the prices for long term goal also, its good that the prices are random and choatic.....

Look what happened to Thailand over the years and to the western hooker industry decades ago....its self destructing..as soon as any party either a hooker or a monger tries to control the prices....the whole thing goes down.

Western guys dont understand this...the very reason they are here is they and the hooker organisation tried to control the prices in their homeland.

Now the western guys did the same to Thailand and controlled the prices...what they thought good was real bad in a longer term and in a decade millions poured in and then the power struggle began for the control of money and now Thailand is in turmoil.

Look at Angeles city, it has not gotten any better with controlling prices...it has only gotten worse with all big business coming in.

Let it be between a Man and a Women. Power is useless.

Please lets keep things natural here.

Appreciate the detailed reply and advice. Ok, let me explain the long term economic benefits of paying too much. After that I will write a little about my last trip to Manila this weekend in search of top class pussy (to the person requesting photos, I will do my best to submit some soon. I'll be back in PHP in two weeks)

1. When you tip a girl very well, she wants to become your 'fuck buddy'. This means she will give you her phone number and you can call her any time you like. Sure, she will expect a tip of PHP 5, 000 but you will never have to pay barfine for her again. Don't forget, she is already proven quality in terms of looks and services. And, she will tell all her friends about you as well. Mny of these friends are not working in these places but are just students, etc. Why pay the pimp, when you can pay barfine to girl, keep her all night. In the hope you may become their "boyfriend" (read sugar daddy), they will often give you freebies, will accompany you for entire day on island hopping trips, etc (they have nothing better to do anyway). But you have to keep them sweet. I have several of these numbers on my phone now and will call the girl that suits my mood. BUT, I ADMIT, the nature of a punter like me is that I always want to search for something better and new. Needless to say, I will always end up in these high end places as the vast quantity is just amazing. Endless supply in Philli. Have to admit, there are problems. Once I txt a girl from Hong Kong advising her to meet me at airport. She was a 19 year high school girl. She turned up at Cebu airport with 4 friends. Some people may be into this kind of thing but I just like one girl at a time. I had to entertain these 4 for the whole weekend. They all slept in my hotel room and not one sexual encounter. Next time I was in Cebu I saw the 19yr outside Pump disco and she asked me why I did not call her this time. I told her that I had lost her number. Anyway she bugged me for the whole weekend to spend time with me. Eventually I said ok. She said if it would be ok for her sister to come. I said no and then told her actually I was busy. She said ok she would come alone. The thought of those legs near me made me say ok. Surprise, surprise she turned up with her sister (who looked more like her aunt). Again, no action for me but just them getting to spend a night at the Hilton with me eating, etc. I feel too sorry for them just to boot them out.

2. Anyway, let me writea about my latest search for premium girls in Manila. I read on this site about Peagusus. Every taxi driver told me that it was too far and would take over an hour to get there (traffic really bad this weekend). A taxi driver suggested I try Air Force One (the name rang a bell from this site), cab also told me it was close to Php 500 for a diet coke and left fuming. So, AIR FORCE ONE looks very bad folks.

Next stop Asian Entertainment. Met the mamasan that introduced me to the girl last time I was there. Place was packed by the time I got there (around 11pm). Many hot girls already sitting with customers. Three girls were dancing on stage. Nmber 9 looked hot. I saw three koreans punters pointing towards her so I quickly went and located my mamasan and told her to make sure number 9 came to my table after her dance. Mamasan said no problem and said, "by the way, say Hello, to this young girl". She introduced me to a very cute girl. Beautiful face, sexy tight body, hot legs and a beaming smile. The girl shook my hand with a big excited smile on her face. I said would she like to sit with me. She said "oh yes", grabbed my hand and walked me to the table. She was very tactile. Had her arm around me. Stroked my legs. Rested her feet on my legs, very touchy feely. She even asked me to kiss her on her cheek and quicky turned her face so I contacted her lips instead. When a girl behaves like that, you know she will be a winner. Anyway, number 9 turned up. Hot body. Face not as nice. So, I was in my faviourite situation, two hot options reserved. All the koreans and japs looking on in envy!. Haha. Love it! Well, ordered some drinks and food (they both said they were hungry). I had pretty much decided that I would go for the girl that mama introduced. This was confirmed when number 9 told me that she was 24 yrs old and had a baby she needed to support. I thought I'd just keep her on the table so she could earn lady drinks. She also asked for a tip. I gave her a 1000 php and told her that today I would not be taking her out (and the "perhaps next time line"). I asked the young girl (sorry I don't want to share name right now until I have been with her at least once more. Please advise me if that is against ethics on this forum) if she was keen to come to my hotel. She said "of course". I asked how long she would stay "up to you" was her reply. I said "9am? ". She said she had nothing else to do next day so fine. The total bill was 16, 000 peso for barfine and food/drinks. We went to hotel, she showere up. The sex was hot. Lots of kissing to start. I went down on her making her really wet. Put my finger inside her pussy. It was small and tight. I was never going to het my rock hard dick into that. My finger inside her got her excited and she just spread her legs opened inviting me in. I slid myself in and her juicy pussy on my throbbing cock felt good. I was without a condom so pulled out without actually pumping. She said "more" so I obliged by dipping in and out again for several minutes. I wanted to finish so I asked her if she had condoms. She was not sure but said it did not matter. I asked her to check. She had a condom which I put on. She sucked me before we had a hard fuck. I came fairly quicky. We went to sleep. I woke up around 9 and she was virtually asleep on top of me. We fucked again in the morning. She stayed until lunchtime. We went to TGI Friday in glorietta. She came all the way to airport to see me off. I gave her PHP 6000 tip as well. She deserved it. Needless to say, two mins after I checked in, I got an txt from her saying she was missing me!

On the flight back, I did question whether paying almost USD 1000 for the experience was worth it (cost of flight, hotel, bar fine, drinks, tips, meals, etc). I'm still debating in my hea but its the thrill of the chase and pursuit of perfection which drives me.

I'll write again on Cebu experiences I've had including shopping mall, etc.

[QUOTE=Devils 1]Hi Vice,

Thanks for the report and a great story. I would really love to see some pics of these highend ladies to get an idea of how premium this pussy really was? I must say you really have a gift for telling a sex story. We share a common interest in high-end pussy!

I will try to answer some of your questions although my experience is limited because I just don't find the value in these places.

I think the first thing to point out is that "the cab driver told you these were the places with the best looking women." The reason is because he got a huge tip for bringing you there. Also, I think it is important to mention that these places charge a cover charge just to walk thru the door. Somewhere in the neighborhood of Php 750-1500. Am I right?
Secondly, they are without a doubt the most expensive places to monger in the Philippines. By this I mean that they are not 10-20% higher, but double the going rate. It could follow to reason that they have the best looking women because the best women want to work where they make the most money. On the two occasions that I went to these places they did have a lot of good looking women there. I would confirm as a ratio that they have the best lineup I have seen anywhere in Manila. Although on the occasions I went the women had almost no interest in a white guy. Simple reason is because I think the Asian men are the only ones dumb enough to pay these prices. Put another way, as a foreigner you have so many freebees available to you why would you bother to pay a sucker price for something you can get for free.

What really worries me is you say that you have spent alot of time reading the posts others have made here. But, clearly you ignored everything you read. Every post I have ever seen on these clubs on Roxas Blvd start and end with the fact that they are a RIPOFF. Second and most important you pay these women the hugest tips they will ever receive in their entire lives. If you search the entire Philippine thread you would never find an instance where someone paid a tip like that. Several long term girlfriends that I have had in Manila have told me that if they got a job in the mall or a call center they might make 400 pesos per day. So you just tipped these women the equivalent of two weeks salary. Not to mention the barfine you paid or the fact that you negotiated with them to stay for longer periods and them let them leave early, but still gave them a bigger tip than agreed upon?

Please try to understand that these women all talk and share experiences. So when you over pay (drastically overpay) these women they tell all of their friends about it. Which means all of their friends are now in that club negotiating with every guy that comes in for 4-6000 peso tip. The next time someone barfines your girls they are going to expect a 4-6000 peso tip. And when none of these girls gets that huge tip promised to them, do you think they are going to give the kind of GFE that you got? No way! In short what you have just done is ruined these 2-3 girls for someone else that could of enjoyed them. It is the whole purpose of this board to share locations with hidden gems and share price info to keep others from getting ripped off.

I am sorry if I am being critical but all you have to do is look at mongering in some of the notorious places around the world to prove my point. Eastern Europe and Las Vegas. The last time I fucked girls in these places the service was so bad and so expensive the girls practically wouldn't stop texting long enough for me to have sex with them and this is after having paid several hundred dollars. It is also the reason people hate Americans. Its not because we're all so good looking, rich and cocky. It is because everywhere we go we ruin the fun by overpaying for poor service!

So please in the future pay the going rate and nothing more. Currently, in Manila the going rate for quality pussy, overnight is 3000 pesos. If she really knocks your socks, and clearly all of these girls did, give them 3-500 peso extra. When a girl says she will stay til 9 am make her stay. If she leaves early, pay her less.

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To spend (locally) what you are claiming. If it was the cab drivers idea to take you to Asian Entertainment you got jacked. I sense a disconnect between being unwilling to pay p500 for a coke and yet lay out p17000 for the honor of being ripped off. Near as I can tell, you spent $500.00 US to get laid. Explain to me again how, in the long term; this is a good thing? ! ? You could have ordered two cokes, picked a stunner from the fishbowl; gone first class and cleared out of the place (with the girls cell phone number) for p7000. You confuse me sir!

Call center employees make p50 per hour, about p400 a day. My point isn't to say you are an idiot for spending that sort of cash on a girl. However, when you egregiously overpay for sex it spoils the deal for your brothers. It tends to turn the girls into the sort of ***** who may ask for more money to be on top, give head, remove her bra, take it in the ass or whatever it is you are in to. Local bar girls actually like to fuck but if they sense a man they can manipulate her loss of respect (for you) will lighten your wallet considerably.

Here are the rules of thumb. (as I understand them – and welcome others to amend)

I have NEVER paid more than p1500 for a barfine (even for Burgeos); and only did that twice before realizing there was no need. (just get the girls number – house calls are basically cab fare) There are a ton of websites like DIA where you can basically line them up for interviews, pick the winners – and long time them for a bus ticket and p2500. A fair deal to be sure – they get a weeks salary and you dine at the buffet of their delights.

In massage parlors, for good service I usually tip the next Ninoy up from the cost of the room. If I paid p1000, then I'll tip p1500. If service is flat out exceptional I'll add p1000. I cap my budget for room and girl at about $60.00 US.

If your point is landing a fuck buddy – certainly generosity is important. However, so is intelligence. The girl who rips you off won't respect you. Certainly not as much as the other members of this forum who will travel in your wake. So please, remember "Bro's before Ho's". Be a good guy, but don't pay 8x more then you should to get laid in this crappy town.

[QUOTE=Vicecaptain]Appreciate the detailed reply and advice. Ok, let me explain the long term economic benefits of paying too much. After that I will write a little about my last trip to Manila this weekend in search of top class pussy (to the person requesting photos, I will do my best to submit some soon. I'll be back in PHP in two weeks)

1. When you tip a girl very well, she wants to become your 'fuck buddy'. This means she will give you her phone number and you can call her any time you like. Sure, she will expect a tip of PHP 5, 000 but you will never have to pay barfine for her again. Don't forget, she is already proven quality in terms of looks and services. And, she will tell all her friends about you as well. Mny of these friends are not working in these places but are just students, etc. Why pay the pimp, when you can pay barfine to girl, keep her all night. In the hope you may become their "boyfriend" (read sugar daddy), they will often give you freebies, will accompany you for entire day on island hopping trips, etc (they have nothing better to do anyway). But you have to keep them sweet. I have several of these numbers on my phone now and will call the girl that suits my mood. BUT, I ADMIT, the nature of a punter like me is that I always want to search for something better and new. Needless to say, I will always end up in these high end places as the vast quantity is just amazing. Endless supply in Philli. Have to admit, there are problems. Once I txt a girl from Hong Kong advising her to meet me at airport. She was a 19 year high school girl. She turned up at Cebu airport with 4 friends. Some people may be into this kind of thing but I just like one girl at a time. I had to entertain these 4 for the whole weekend. They all slept in my hotel room and not one sexual encounter. Next time I was in Cebu I saw the 19yr outside Pump disco and she asked me why I did not call her this time. I told her that I had lost her number. Anyway she bugged me for the whole weekend to spend time with me. Eventually I said ok. She said if it would be ok for her sister to come. I said no and then told her actually I was busy. She said ok she would come alone. The thought of those legs near me made me say ok. Surprise, surprise she turned up with her sister (who looked more like her aunt). Again, no action for me but just them getting to spend a night at the Hilton with me eating, etc. I feel too sorry for them just to boot them out.

2. Anyway, let me writea about my latest search for premium girls in Manila. I read on this site about Peagusus. Every taxi driver told me that it was too far and would take over an hour to get there (traffic really bad this weekend). A taxi driver suggested I try Air Force One (the name rang a bell from this site), cab also told me it was close to Php 500 for a diet coke and left fuming. So, AIR FORCE ONE looks very bad folks.

Next stop Asian Entertainment. Met the mamasan that introduced me to the girl last time I was there. Place was packed by the time I got there (around 11pm). Many hot girls already sitting with customers. Three girls were dancing on stage. Nmber 9 looked hot. I saw three koreans punters pointing towards her so I quickly went and located my mamasan and told her to make sure number 9 came to my table after her dance. Mamasan said no problem and said, "by the way, say Hello, to this young girl". She introduced me to a very cute girl. Beautiful face, sexy tight body, hot legs and a beaming smile. The girl shook my hand with a big excited smile on her face. I said would she like to sit with me. She said "oh yes", grabbed my hand and walked me to the table. She was very tactile. Had her arm around me. Stroked my legs. Rested her feet on my legs, very touchy feely. She even asked me to kiss her on her cheek and quicky turned her face so I contacted her lips instead. When a girl behaves like that, you know she will be a winner. Anyway, number 9 turned up. Hot body. Face not as nice. So, I was in my faviourite situation, two hot options reserved. All the koreans and japs looking on in envy!. Haha. Love it! Well, ordered some drinks and food (they both said they were hungry). I had pretty much decided that I would go for the girl that mama introduced. This was confirmed when number 9 told me that she was 24 yrs old and had a baby she needed to support. I thought I'd just keep her on the table so she could earn lady drinks. She also asked for a tip. I gave her a 1000 php and told her that today I would not be taking her out (and the "perhaps next time line"). I asked the young girl (sorry I don't want to share name right now until I have been with her at least once more. Please advise me if that is against ethics on this forum) if she was keen to come to my hotel. She said "of course". I asked how long she would stay "up to you" was her reply. I said "9am? ". She said she had nothing else to do next day so fine. The total bill was 16, 000 peso for barfine and food/drinks. We went to hotel, she showere up. The sex was hot. Lots of kissing to start. I went down on her making her really wet. Put my finger inside her pussy. It was small and tight. I was never going to het my rock hard dick into that. My finger inside her got her excited and she just spread her legs opened inviting me in. I slid myself in and her juicy pussy on my throbbing cock felt good. I was without a condom so pulled out without actually pumping. She said "more" so I obliged by dipping in and out again for several minutes. I wanted to finish so I asked her if she had condoms. She was not sure but said it did not matter. I asked her to check. She had a condom which I put on. She sucked me before we had a hard fuck. I came fairly quicky. We went to sleep. I woke up around 9 and she was virtually asleep on top of me. We fucked again in the morning. She stayed until lunchtime. We went to TGI Friday in glorietta. She came all the way to airport to see me off. I gave her PHP 6000 tip as well. She deserved it. Needless to say, two mins after I checked in, I got an txt from her saying she was missing me!

On the flight back, I did question whether paying almost USD 1000 for the experience was worth it (cost of flight, hotel, bar fine, drinks, tips, meals, etc). I'm still debating in my hea but its the thrill of the chase and pursuit of perfection which drives me.

I'll write again on Cebu experiences I've had including shopping mall, etc.

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[QUOTE=ShadowAxis] To spend (locally) what you are claiming. If it was the cab drivers idea to take you to Asian Entertainment you got jacked. I sense a disconnect between being unwilling to pay p500 for a coke and yet lay out p17000 for the honor of being ripped off. Near as I can tell, you spent $500.00 US to get laid. Explain to me again how, in the long term; this is a good thing? ! ? You could have ordered two cokes, picked a stunner from the fishbowl; gone first class and cleared out of the place (with the girls cell phone number) for p7000. You confuse me sir! [/QUOTE]

Interesting topic you brought to the forefront.

All mongers spend differently and trying to put a cap on it is ridiculous.

If I am on Burgos depending on how I am feeling I will buy a round of drinks multiple times. Say you do that around two times you will spend about 2880PHP right there. Not doing it because I am stupid, not doing it because I like to waste money. I am out to party, relax, enjoy the atmosphere and have the girls go crazy.

If you barfine a girl from Burgos the going rate for most bars is 3900PHP. Then you have to pay her anywhere from 2500-3000PHP for a tip. You just spent 9780PHP throw in $100 for the 5 star telly (SOGO shit too dirty for me I like the atmosphere of big hotels.) and you spent a whopping $303 that's way too much but again I feel comfortable doing this.

Now a few points the round of drinks I don't do it all the time. As for the tip 3000 is the limit and if they ask for more then that I will tell them to curve.

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Some guys say that is too much but most of the girls are getting less inclined to fuck for that 1500-2500 shit. Also you may find a girl who will go for that but what if the girl you want don't want to go for that amount. I know know you may say well she don't like you. She may do like you but she is also running a business.

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis] I have NEVER paid more than p1500 for a barfine (even for Burgeos); and only did that twice before realizing there was no need. (just get the girls number – house calls are basically cab fare) [/QUOTE]

Taking the number is cool and all for a follow up fuck but if I am in the bar I see a hotty I want to fuck right then and there I am not going to wait. Also bargirls or any girls for me are usually a one time deal. I just take numbers for friends who might be interested.

While we are on the topic of Burgos they will not be getting my business again. My money is long like the OJ Trial but I am not rich and that place has long ago went above and beyond what I would like to call reasonable. While pound pound I think they have the cutest girls in Manila Go-Go wise. Its just not worth it too me. You don't get what you pay for. Some stunners but mostly average girls, Jolly-bee bellies, mothers, stretch marks ect... (Same price as some KTVs with top notch women).

I would recommend the various HI-So KTVs to all the high-rollers out there.

While EDSA has a lower quality of girls in my opinion Go-Gos wise its the best bang for the buck in town right now.

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis] There are a ton of websites like DIA where you can basically line them up for interviews, pick the winners – and long time them for a bus ticket and p2500. A fair deal to be sure – they get a weeks salary and you dine at the buffet of their delights.[/QUOTE]

I am new to these dating sites but most of these girls are looking for a husband. Weeding through them can be tedious. Also it much more easier to hit the bar. Trying to save a few Pesos and get what some would call a "freebie" doesn't make up for all the time spent chatting and pretending to be interested in whatever the fuck they are talking about etc.

Also I have a theory the girls that are fucking over the internet are bargirls, ex-bargirls or bargirls in training anyway. Same quality. Again might as well go to the bar. LOL

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis] In massage parlors, for good service I usually tip the next Ninoy up from the cost of the room. If I paid p1000, then I'll tip p1500. If service is flat out exceptional I'll add p1000. I cap my budget for room and girl at about $60.00 US. [/QUOTE]

I don't like massage parlors. I like to relax in my own bed (well own bed for night). Leave when I want to and not have someone outside with the stop watch like it's a football 40 yard dash. I may feel like a getting a nap then another fuck in the morn. Can't do that in a massage parlor.

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis] If your point is landing a fuck buddy – certainly generosity is important. However, so is intelligence. The girl who rips you off won't respect you. Certainly not as much as the other members of this forum who will travel in your wake. So please, remember "Bro's before Ho's". Be a good guy, but don't pay 8x more then you should to get laid in this crappy town. [/QUOTE]

Hell they don't respect us much anyway. We are tricks. Look how they treat their most generous sponsors :D

For $500/month you can have a real good looking non-pro fuck buddy in Philippines.
Just requires some courting and advertising to the fact you will willing to support.
Spending $500 on one night of partying in Phi is rediculous. This is not Las Vegas. Even in Las Vegas nobody spend money like that unless they won in the casino.
Your money is your money and you spread it the way you want. But it spoils the market for rest of us. No need to brag.
No wonder the girls think their pussy is made out of gold and they are the queens who can dictate a dick literally inside and outside.
Since when girls are harder to find in Phi than water in Sahara?

[QUOTE=Sammon]For $500/month you can have a real good looking non-pro fuck buddy in Philippines.
Just requires some courting and advertising to the fact you will willing to support.
Spending $500 on one night of partying in Phi is rediculous. This is not Las Vegas. Even in Las Vegas nobody spend money like that unless they won in the casino.
Your money is your money and you spread it the way you want. But it spoils the market for rest of us. No need to brag.
No wonder the girls think their pussy is made out of gold and they are the queens who can dictate a dick literally inside and outside.
Since when girls are harder to find in Phi than water in Sahara?[/QUOTE]

Monger Etiquette

Sammon please educate us all. I would like to know how do you open the discussion to these girls I am not talking about obvious bar girls online or "fun girls" but the students and generally sweet innocent looking girls. I have met a lot of them. I had no idea there were so many Filipinas online looking for men/marriage incredible. I mean how do you say to them "Hi I am so and so I would love to screw you for a month or so. Financially it will be worth your while?"

I am not being sarcastic. I met a girl from in Leyte in 2004. I had no knowledge of the bar scene at that time she was simply a chat mate I was not into mongering or chat/mongering lol. First piece of Pinay pussy I ever got. She came from Leyte to Manila sweet girl non-bar type and I fucked her every which way for a week straight. She asked me was I on some type of medicine. LOL. After that I gave her some money and thought it was "all good" but it wasn't. The whole experience put a bad taste in my mouth. That's why I try not to fuck with the poor folk anymore. Luckily she now in America getting well taken care of.

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Price fixing is very a dangerous game in the longer term. West was never educated properly on the laws of karma.

You will keep hearing from mongers, ohh...dont give so much, you will ruin the market for rest of us.

Remember "Price Fixing" only works one way UP....It will never be 1500 Pesos for ever..In five years, next fixed price will be 2000 then 3000 then 5000 and when we grow old..we will complain again...ohh the prices have gone up ..old times were better.

Ask any old monger from Thailand and he will always complain about the present time.

In any market, Inflation is the direct result of price fixing and even if you abide by the fixed price guys and after an year when you come back and say prices are higher comapred to last year, those same folks will say, look around you mate, prices have gone up everywhere...so is the "fixed price" :D

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The moment you fix the price, lots of "wrong interest" shows up, they see a business oppourtunity to make a profit. Prostitution becomes an industry, women get exploited and we feel guilty for paying for sex.

Everything wrong is the direct consequence of "price fixing" in any market.

Things never gets better, its always the past which was golden. Just look at Thailand which is a prime example.

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You can only keep women exploiters and pimps away when you stop paying the fixed price and keep the game random and choatic.

As long as the third party never knows the real price for a hook up, everyone is safe.

Unfortunately, this is not the case anywhere now a days, women are getting exploited more and more, cos people know they can expect a certain price from prostitution.

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Its always the short term goals.....I hope people re-educate themselves for their own benifit and not blindly follow the western school of thought for which they are the masters of self destruction.

You will never find long term answers and solutions in them.

Their is no sin, just ignorance. The solution is only in the laws of karma.

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We need to base our actions on karma and not based on a collective thought or anything...'cos karma will come back to you no matter where you are..even if you hide in a cave or in your next birth, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK. :)

The more you keep the game between a man and a women natural and on equal terms, the better for everyone.

The more our actions are based on the laws of karma the more we keep the third parties away.

We mongers should never think of doing anything collectivly to fix price things up it is very dangerous and not based on the laws of karma...it is doomed to fail and we will face the consequences lator on.

Do your own thing, keep the prices random, lets some pay 1000 pesos, some 5000...it all works well in the longer term...and even after 5 to 10 years you will never pay the inflated fixed price but what you negotiated with the girl, and there will be no more forced prostitution.....no third party will ever know how much you gonna pay to a girl...they will disappear.

We know that the above is not a fairytale but could be a reality, cos of the laws of karma....its in our hands...do the right thing and we all will benifit.

Its not only in Mongering, but in all aspects of our life, the laws of karma must be followed for longer term objectives.

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Good Luck

Illogic. Your comments make a lot of sense. A party is a party. And if you're having a good time and the cash isn't much of an issue it's still a whole lot less then you'd pay for a good time elsewhere in the world. I also agree that Burgeos has become prohibitively expensive. It's simply not a good value. I haven't been back to Burgeos in almost a year. I'd rather have a drink at Havna Cafe or a nice bar in Greenbelt, Rockwell or the Fort if I'm going to pay real money) So the parasites (bar owners, girls) basically killed this dog. I know a lot of other local foreigners who walked from the bar scene years ago.

Not totally on board with the Faith Based Economics as detailed below.

I get the Thai analogy. Though see it as a simple issue of supply and demand. We aren't fixing the price of silver, and we aren't doing the lords work. It's about a fair exchange of value. If Karma is required to be part of the equation. Then I'm cool with that so let's do the math.

Earning income of average shop girl. About p40 an hour or p360 a day. Just for reference, that's what Philippine National Bank pays it's customer support operators. If I can have a girl for p2500 then she is making 9 days of salary or almost $25. 00 US an hour for the 90 minutes or so I will make use of her gifts.

This is a great deal for everyone concerned. It's a number I can feel good about.

Sometimes less is more. I've seen the effect of huge amounts of cash on these girls and it's not pretty. It can destroy the girl, her family (who become immediately dependent on her revenue), it will prevent her from going to school. Or moving on with her life / developing a career. Also, judging by the amount of half white children it may lock them into the parenting cycle. Obviously, we can't be responsible for the actions, lifestyle or karma of others. But if you are going to blow serious amounts of cash then find a responsible local charity and get involved. Fund organizations supporting the Reproductive Health Bill. Giving the wheel a big cash spin when you pass by does nothing for the hamster.

I guess your right though. There isn't a fixed number. Or a way to fix it.

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<><><><><><><><><><>Please guys<><><><><><><><>

Price fixing is very a dangerous game in the longer term. West was never educated properly on the laws of karma.

You will keep hearing from mongers, ohh...dont give so much, you will ruin the market for rest of us.

Remember "Price Fixing" only works one way UP....It will never be 1500 Pesos for ever..In five years, next fixed price will be 2000 then 3000 then 5000 and when we grow old..we will complain again...ohh the prices have gone up ..old times were better.

Ask any old monger from Thailand and he will always complain about the present time.

In any market, Inflation is the direct result of price fixing and even if you abide by the fixed price guys and after an year when you come back and say prices are higher comapred to last year, those same folks will say, look around you mate, prices have gone up everywhere...so is the "fixed price" :D

=======================================================

The moment you fix the price, lots of "wrong interest" shows up, they see a business oppourtunity to make a profit. Prostitution becomes an industry, women get exploited and we feel guilty for paying for sex.

Everything wrong is the direct consequence of "price fixing" in any market.

Things never gets better, its always the past which was golden. Just look at Thailand which is a prime example.

==========================================

You can only keep women exploiters and pimps away when you stop paying the fixed price and keep the game random and choatic.

As long as the third party never knows the real price for a hook up, everyone is safe.

Unfortunately, this is not the case anywhere now a days, women are getting exploited more and more, cos people know they can expect a certain price from prostitution.

=========================================

Its always the short term goals.....I hope people re-educate themselves for their own benifit and not blindly follow the western school of thought for which they are the masters of self destruction.

You will never find long term answers and solutions in them.

Their is no sin, just ignorance. The solution is only in the laws of karma.

=============================================
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=============================================

We need to base our actions on karma and not based on a collective thought or anything...'cos karma will come back to you no matter where you are..even if you hide in a cave or in your next birth, IT WILL PAY YOU BACK. :)

The more you keep the game between a man and a women natural and on equal terms, the better for everyone.

The more our actions are based on the laws of karma the more we keep the third parties away.

We mongers should never think of doing anything collectivly to fix price things up it is very dangerous and not based on the laws of karma...it is doomed to fail and we will face the consequences lator on.

Do your own thing, keep the prices random, lets some pay 1000 pesos, some 5000...it all works well in the longer term...and even after 5 to 10 years you will never pay the inflated fixed price but what you negotiated with the girl, and there will be no more forced prostitution.....no third party will ever know how much you gonna pay to a girl...they will disappear.

We know that the above is not a fairytale but could be a reality, cos of the laws of karma....its in our hands...do the right thing and we all will benifit.

Its not only in Mongering, but in all aspects of our life, the laws of karma must be followed for longer term objectives.

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Good Luck[/QUOTE]

Manila, AC, Cebu. Been in country 3 weeks. Not paid more than p1500 LT yet except Cebu barfines. Only 1 girl would not fall for it. Some ask for more, but my holding at 1500 works everytime (except the one time in AC, she would not take less than 2000 LT). Recession is hitting hard. Also having trouble getting rid of girls the next day. Finally one left on her own at 6pm this morning. They are hanging on for days, not asking for second monies, happy to just hang with me and go to mall for meals. Prices too good to be true. Also G Point cafe, girls dont even mention money till the next day when I'm booting them (u give me tip?). I give p1500 and they kiss and walk in late afternoon.

Just one bad experience this time, a girl could not perform in the room when we got in from LA Cafe. She got nervous. I asked her nicely to leave and she did so quietly, no pay. I walked her out to the taxi. She asked me to pay it and I would not (she wasted my time). She didn't have money, so she walked away from the Bayview Park Hotel on Roxas. 45 mins later I was back in the room with another girl from LA Cafe. The girls from LA want to know up front how much. They often request from p2000-3000. Say p1500 and off we go. Two girls there didnt ask up front, they just ask how much I offer. p1500 LT sweetie and she's grabbing her purse. This is interesting considering my list of demands is long (everything you can imagine) and includes naughty pics.

Speaking of the Bayview, girl-unfriendly this time. My bringing in a second girl in an hour caused small ruckus at the front desk. They made me register her, and the photocopied her ID, and they gave me the dirty look. They made the registration process last 5 minutes (took their time) at 3am.

Had two individual short-times in AC for p600 each. Also took two girls at once (pics later when Im home) they went from blow row bar by shanos gladly 4 hours in my room p1400 total, no tip requested. They were only into the lesbo thing little bit, but they were fine to work me over together twice in 4 hours. Barfines of p1300 in AC and girls are still there waking up at noon next day wanting to go to the mall for meal and shop. Take her out for a drink after the barfine before you head to ur room and a 90-pound pinay is slosh-n-putty. I took waitresses mostly.

Cebu, barfine of p1700 twice, girls were spectacular, could not get rid of either the next day. No tip or taxi money requested although I paid the driver for one girl up front p100.

Things must be tough all over. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Illogic]I am proud member of a forum that is PI based and .

The Girls:

Lot of street walkers in Quezon City and Makati P Burgos street. The Quezon girls I saw with my own eyes while leaving Pegasus last year which I posted
Lodging:

1000PHP Per Day

Food:

100 PHP Mom and pop joints. 3 times a day.

Transportation:

Depending on how much traveling say 6 Jeepney trips 48PHP

Mongering:

Streetwalker 500PHP.

Grand Total: 1848PHP or $38.[/quote]Illogic,

I once have a SW for 500 PHP a few yr ago near robinson mall a malate, she is new to manila agree for LT but I kick her out after 2 pop a dead fish, she don't want to leave she like my bed at the Hyatt.

Fast Eddie 48