Bangkok Reports

So I spent about a week in BKK and this is the most recent summary of my experience. Nana is the place to be with all of its renovations. If you haven't been in awhile, need to check it out. With its new roof, the adult playground is all indoors and safe from the rain. Soi Cowboy and Thermae was just the same old shit with the same old girls. Thermae, I got so confused at which girls I've been with and which I have not. I can't seem to remember them all. I guess it's a nice problem to have when you have done so many. At Soi Cowboy, only Baccara and Shark took credit cards for everything, even the girls. But at Nana, most bars accepted plastic, a big plus for me as my father is the one picking up my tabs when I pay with credit cards. Rainbow 5 is back to being called Rainbow 4. Rainbow 1, 3, and 2 have a shit load of girls with the addition of coyotes. Their barfines are 1000 baht. They are doing this to make their customer base more farang friendly. It's worth checking out. All girls under 20 have been kicked out from working Nana. So be advised if you are looking for the young ones, you will find yourself in a heap of trouble if you ask around. The elusive #32 dancer at Angel Witch was finally found by me. Another member wanted confirmation that she was quite possibly the hottest girl at Nana. IMHO, no way. Her face is acceptable, but she has no tits, her ass is flat and has a squared shape to them. There are others who are more balanced with better features like tits and ass. So my answer is no she is not. I've seen better at Nana.

Some girls at Nana that I got to fuck this time around and recommend are as follow. They all provided me with DATY, DFK, BBBJ, a few did CIM.

Rainbow 2 (1st corner): #501, #65, #12.

Billboard: #835, #862.

Lollipop: #89.

Rainbow 3 (2nd stairs): #41, #9, #20, #101.

Bangkok Bunnies: #99.

Of all the girls I fucked (14 girls) in 7 days, including 11 Go Go bar girls, 1 Massage shop, 1 Thermae, and 1 Thai Friendly, one girl definitely stood out. A girl by the name of Beam (pictured) at Billboard. Her number is #835. She's only been there less than 5 days and has a stunning body with white skin and fake tits. She is from Chang Mai, but speaks very little English. She is new to Billboard, and is not quite corrupted just yet by the other girls. I paid 3000 for her ST for 2 hours. She spent 30 minutes alone just sucking my dick until I popped. I thought that was the end, but she allowed a second pop and we started fucking. She even gave me a Kamagra jelly pack so I can stay hard. What girl gives a customer Viagra for a second round. ? I fucked her brains out for the next hour without any complaints. And the way she squeezed her pussy during sex, I was able to cum inside. Amazing! Grab her quickly before she learns from the other girls that she is providing way too much for what her looks can get away with. And as always, YMMV, it's all about how well you play the game with these girls. Now it's off to Pattaya for 3 weeks!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221810]Your interpretation is more plausible than mine. I think it was the quote marks around having their period that threw me off. However, the fact that every girl would have gone with him (if they could) undermines his advice to get the mamasan's help in seeing who to talk to and buy a drink for. His advice might be useful if a guy is a troll or a Jabba the Hut type but I doubt a decent looking guy would need to do so. Of course there is always asking the girl to sit with you; if she does, asking her whether she barfines, and will she barfine with you; if she says yes, then buy her a drink. However, since she could be lying and try to get out of it by quoting a ridiculous price, you might want to talk about price and time after the first drink, lest she just use you to make her drink quota.[/QUOTE]I was advising Breadman who I think is black. I have several black acquaintances that have came from the USA to hang out with me. This is the same advice I give them and it seems to work out well. There is no waste on money and time on girls who play games. In most Asian cultures, it's not about the race as much as it is about the color of your skin. The lighter skinned Asians always have preference over the darker skinned Asians. Lighter skin often meant your family lineage were not farm or hard laborers. It means you had a higher status. I think most folks know that. That's why I use sun block.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2222074]I was advising Breadman who I think is black. I have several black acquaintances that have came from the USA to hang out with me. This is the same advice I give them and it seems to work out well. There is no waste on money and time on girls who play games. In most Asian cultures, it's not about the race as much as it is about the color of your skin. The lighter skinned Asians always have preference over the darker skinned Asians. Lighter skin often meant your family lineage were not farm or hard laborers. It means you had a higher status. I think most folks know that. That's why I use sun block.[/QUOTE]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation.

As you are an East Asian, and thus the preferred target group for go go girls, as you discovered when every girl at the go go bar would go with you, why did you feel the need to have the mamasan ask on your behalf?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2222140]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation.

As you are an East Asian, and thus the preferred target group for go go girls, as you discovered when every girl at the go go bar would go with you, why did you feel the need to have the mamasan ask on your behalf?[/QUOTE]Because I was in a farang preferred bar. There were very few East Asians, so I honestly didn't want to waste my time or money. Most people know, I don't like to play games with girls.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2222140]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation......[/QUOTE]I believe the black chaps are more financially generous hence the preference for them; they may actually be charged more than others because of their perceived endowment.

My second week of this trip was an experiment is something different for me. In order to extend my trip and get more time in country without using up holiday time I cut a deal with my boss to work remotely during the week but on US hours so I would work nightly around 7/8-3/4. This would allow me to still have my afternoons to hit someplace up and then have dinner with friends and go to work. With the added benefit of being able to slip out for an hour or so on my "lunch" break. With this in mind, my main hunting ground would be thermae. I had taken girls there a few times before but I wanted to explore it more and see how it would go. With that plan in mind I moved to the 4 points on soi15 where you can fall out of the hotel and in the back door of thermae. I didn't get a very good price, but I wanted the SPG points and the location is perfect for thermae and easy for nana and cowboy too.

I ended up pulling 4 girls out of there over different nights. 3 at 2500 and one at 3, and of course the one at 3 was the biggest failure. I had pulled from thermae a few times before, but this was by far the most amount of time I had ever spent in there. Personally, this helped me be more blunt with the girls and learn to be more specific about what I want which certainly helped. Despite all the years in this hobby I can still feel awkward at times and need to be more direct before settling on a girl in thermae, gogo, or otherwise. For me this really means DFK and BBBJ, even though the BJ usually isn't that great if the girl is going to be too squeamish to even do that I have doubts anything more will be worth it.

First pull was oddly probably the best sex of the bunch, but the least on the looks side. I had suspicions going in since I only saw her sitting down and I could tell she wasn't my normal skinny body type, but I liked her face and smile. She was a right side girl (right and left defined by orientation to when you walk in from Sukhumvit) and was 2 k.

My failure was a left side girl and a skinny thing which I liked, she insisted on 3 k since I was farang and larger than Asian. I thought ok, she is recognizing its going to be more work, when what I should have done is taken a pass. To be fair despite it being too large for her she did try, but the problem ended up being she was too impatient and she hurt herself. I don't know if it was an attempt to get it over with or just inexperience. In the end had to stop as her pain was just too obvious and I wasn't going to finish. After she seemed in general pain and I felt bad, but it had definitely been when she was on top and trying to rush. Bad choice on my part.

My 2 better wins and both on my repeat list for November were from the back left corner and back middle and both 2500. One was a SYT in workout / yoga pants that looked great and was a different look than the girls normally sport. Her English was good and she liked to workout and it showed. What was great is that when we started in miss I naturally go very slow since I am a bit larger than average, just a little bit in she decides she can handle it and grabs and pulls me all the way in. Was super hot and definitely memorable. My other winner had one of the nicest set of natural tits on a thai girl I have ever seen, around 36 C and no baby. Sure they weren't as perky as a small set, but with size you have to expect some drop. Feel was just excellent and her body was great. With both the girls after they stated their price I asked for kiss with tongue and BBBJ and both readily agreed so this was definitely the method I will use going forward.

I have kept in touch through line with both my winners and looks promising for November so I will see. Sure 2500 is still overpriced for a ST set of an hour or so, but no barfine, no LD, and still less than a gogo these days. I plan on doing a repeat week of work in November so I will see if my targeting has gotten any better and report back.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2222301]My failure was a left side girl and a skinny thing which I liked, she insisted on 3 k since I was farang and larger than Asian. I thought ok, she is recognizing its going to be more work, when what I should have done is taken a pass. To be fair despite it being too large for her she did try, but the problem ended up being she was too impatient and she hurt herself. I don't know if it was an attempt to get it over with or just inexperience. In the end had to stop as her pain was just too obvious and I wasn't going to finish. After she seemed in general pain and I felt bad, but it had definitely been when she was on top and trying to rush. Bad choice on my part.
[/QUOTE]Advice: Don't allow dick scared girls on top. They can do themselves damage, if not controlling carefully. Even a girl was not scared rode me too vigorously in cowgirl and was bleeding quite strongly bright red and claimed not her period (years ago now). Instead try putting in the tip well lubed, and gradually little by little put a bit more in. Give time for her pussy to expand. Pussies stretch, even enough to have a baby. After a gradual increase in insertion, you may be able to get the whole lot in. Be careful not to have knob crashing the uterus which is typically only 4+ inches in. Above all, don't bang too powerfully if you are too big for the girl.

Also you will find there are skinny girls who like a big one, much easier if take girls with lots of Farang experience.

One pleasant night I returned from a previously arranged date with one of the dime-a-dozen models that wasn't going anywhere (I didn't get the sense that she was not p4 p and her attitude was meh so after a few drinks I bailed). At this point it was nearing midnight. I ended up meeting a girl off WeChat. Turns out she was much older than expected (probably mid-30's), much shorter than appeared, and while 95% sure she would have come over if I asked, after one drink I took her back to her apartment which was walking distance.

Then I messaged a cute girl who from her pics appeared just my type, also from WeChat (we had connected earlier). She wanted 4 k at first, talked down to 3 k, then she made it over to my hotel in record time. I met her downstairs, and as soon as she walked in something felt a little off. First, way taller than I expected even without heels, a little bigger boned as well, and mannerisms just a bit off with a twinge to her voice. Once in the room, my spidey-sense went off more, and she immediately went to turn off all lights and wanted money up front. At that point I finally came to my senses and pulled the plug. I did give her a red note just for her trouble, which was probably generous, and she kept asking what's wrong, what's wrong, before saying 100 baht wasn't enough, LOL.

I'm 95% sure this one was a LB, and I'm surprised folks are able to find success on WeChat when it appears 8/10 of the girls showing up on people nearby are up front about being a ladyboy, and then probably 75% of the remaining are also ladyboys but not up front about it.

Oh well, I probably need to recharge anyway, it was a better decision to sleep than go through with it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2221949]

One thing I hate is unwanted massages. I don't even like massage. Do have any special advice to get rid of a girl who starts an uninvited shoulder massage? I hate ugly girls grabbing me uninvited. Sometimes "Mai Ao" is not quite working. Perhaps after a warning and still girl persists, I could spill my soda on her, If I don't have any centipedes on me.

Don't even like uninvited girl rubbing against my crotch. Raunchy does not supersede fat or ugly for me.[/QUOTE]The phrase I use instead of "Mai Ao" for any item or behavior I don't want, including annoying (Thai) sunglasses salesmen, cellphone salesmen, massage shop girls reaching out to me, freelancers reaching out to me, ladyboys reaching out to me, unwanted massages from anyone, etc., is "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" (more or less "No thanks, thank you"). Something about saying the polite "No" with that additional "thank you" in there just puts almost anyone and everyone (Thai) off me that very second. I don't say it rudely, angrily or loud. Just saying it firmly with a smile does the trick.

I have walked around with old hands who want to remind me "Mai Ao" is the more commonly used term, while I watch the salesman or ladyboy continue pestering them well beyond and after they say it and say it and say it. I think pestering Thais are just so used to hearing farangs automatically say "Mai Ao" to get them off us, it no longer gets through to them or they don't think we really mean it. Meanwhile, the instant I say "Mai khrup, karp khun khup", the pestering stops that very second. And they don't seem to be offended by it. They just get the message quickly and stop whatever it is they were doing. Maybe 1% keeps coming at me after I say it. Have you tried that phrase yet?

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2222301]My second week of this trip was an experiment is something different for me. In order to extend my trip and get more time in country without using up holiday time I cut a deal with my boss to work remotely during the week but on US hours so I would work nightly around 7/8-3/4. This would allow me to still have my afternoons to hit someplace up and then have dinner with friends and go to work. With the added benefit of being able to slip out for an hour or so on my "lunch" break. With this in mind, my main hunting ground would be thermae. I had taken girls there a few times before but I wanted to explore it more and see how it would go. With that plan in mind I moved to the 4 points on soi15 where you can fall out of the hotel and in the back door of thermae. I didn't get a very good price, but I wanted the SPG points and the location is perfect for thermae and easy for nana and cowboy too.

I ended up pulling 4 girls out of there over different nights. 3 at 2500 and one at 3, and of course the one at 3 was the biggest failure. I had pulled from thermae a few times before, but this was by far the most amount of time I had ever spent in there. Personally, this helped me be more blunt with the girls and learn to be more specific about what I want which certainly helped. Despite all the years in this hobby I can still feel awkward at times and need to be more direct before settling on a girl in thermae, gogo, or otherwise. For me this really means DFK and BBBJ, even though the BJ usually isn't that great if the girl is going to be too squeamish to even do that I have doubts anything more will be worth it.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.

I think it would be like most places in Thailand, or even Asia for that matter. YMMV. I would doubt any girl that won't go with a caucasian customer due to an asian or japanese preference would go with anyone outside those groups. But also like everything in life money talks for enough baht, say 8 k, I would think even most of the japanese preferred girls would make an exception. Presentation of course always helps the situation so being clean shaven and dressed well never hurts. Last a friend of mine who was indian ethnically but born and raised in Japan found that his success was better once disclosing the Japanese nationality. Also places that may have denied entry or asked for drink before would not when he was with me assuming that he was european or american. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice. I actually usually start in mish now since I have found that same problem with too many girls who don't understand patience or start on top and tire too quickly. I have a good 20 years experience with asian girls after losing my virginity to a korean girl, which perhaps explains the yellow fever, either that or too many James Bond movies as a child, so I am used to tight and small asian pussy. Her wetness level was good and I had already done a good stretch warm up for her so I don't know what more I could have done here, but still felt a bit bad I had caused her pain. Every girl is different so who knows, one of my regulars right now is a short haired 5' tall vixen from twisters and she has learned to manage the size well. I still remember another early korean girlfriend who I devirginized calling me one day pissed because after around 6 months together she had to switch from extra small tampons to small! Funny the things the mind stores away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222388]Advice: Don't allow dick scared girls on top. They can do themselves damage, if not controlling carefully. Even a girl was not scared rode me too vigorously in cowgirl and was bleeding quite strongly bright red and claimed not her period (years ago now). Instead try putting in the tip well lubed, and gradually little by little put a bit more in. Give time for her pussy to expand. Pussies stretch, even enough to have a baby. After a gradual increase in insertion, you may be able to get the whole lot in. Be careful not to have knob crashing the uterus which is typically only 4+ inches in. Above all, don't bang too powerfully if you are too big for the girl.

Also you will find there are skinny girls who like a big one, much easier if take girls with lots of Farang experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]Actually, you can do alright! Just be confident and carry a big purse, just in case. For providers, money is number 1. The rest comes after.

To increase your chances of a hit, do not negotiate too hard, be nice and a gentleman, well groomed. This should take care of everything. But make an effort to show confidence in yourself. That's the key IMO.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]I don't know about happiness and juice worth squeezing but you better have your hopes low when in the Thermae. The top tier ladies will not be interested unless you're a nerdy K or J.

The lower hanging fruit can be doable and they'll give you a smile when you do the circle. Forget about the Thermae stunners you're invisible to them. The Go Go bars have them too and they will go, at least some will. My 2 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2222412]The phrase I use instead of "Mai Ao" for any item or behavior I don't want, including annoying (Thai) sunglasses salesmen, cellphone salesmen, massage shop girls reaching out to me, freelancers reaching out to me, ladyboys reaching out to me, unwanted massages from anyone, etc., is "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" (more or less "No thanks, thank you"). Something about saying the polite "No" with that additional "thank you" in there just puts almost anyone and everyone (Thai) off me that very second. I don't say it rudely, angrily or loud. Just saying it firmly with a smile does the trick.

I have walked around with old hands who want to remind me "Mai Ao" is the more commonly used term, while I watch the salesman or ladyboy continue pestering them well beyond and after they say it and say it and say it. I think pestering Thais are just so used to hearing farangs automatically say "Mai Ao" to get them off us, it no longer gets through to them or they don't think we really mean it. Meanwhile, the instant I say "Mai khrup, karp khun khup", the pestering stops that very second. And they don't seem to be offended by it. They just get the message quickly and stop whatever it is they were doing. Maybe 1% keeps coming at me after I say it. Have you tried that phrase yet?[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Interesting view point. Guys sometimes get criticised for being too polite to working girls, seeing them as very low in the class structure. LOL.

Being polite in Thailand though, probably does no harm. There is no real technical difference between "Mai Ao Khrap" and "Mai Khrap" (the second merely omits the verb "Ao" and it is understood. The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.

Interestingly the American expression "My bad" also lacks a verb and lacks a noun and sounds silly in my country. Just is not English. LOL. Thai allows for understood words to be dropped, more so than English.

I can try being extra polite and see if there is any difference. My theory always was that it required some level of rudeness to get rid of girls. However I can be wrong.

It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.