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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2222412]The phrase I use instead of "Mai Ao" for any item or behavior I don't want, including annoying (Thai) sunglasses salesmen, cellphone salesmen, massage shop girls reaching out to me, freelancers reaching out to me, ladyboys reaching out to me, unwanted massages from anyone, etc., is "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" (more or less "No thanks, thank you"). Something about saying the polite "No" with that additional "thank you" in there just puts almost anyone and everyone (Thai) off me that very second. I don't say it rudely, angrily or loud. Just saying it firmly with a smile does the trick.

I have walked around with old hands who want to remind me "Mai Ao" is the more commonly used term, while I watch the salesman or ladyboy continue pestering them well beyond and after they say it and say it and say it. I think pestering Thais are just so used to hearing farangs automatically say "Mai Ao" to get them off us, it no longer gets through to them or they don't think we really mean it. Meanwhile, the instant I say "Mai khrup, karp khun khup", the pestering stops that very second. And they don't seem to be offended by it. They just get the message quickly and stop whatever it is they were doing. Maybe 1% keeps coming at me after I say it. Have you tried that phrase yet?[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Interesting view point. Guys sometimes get criticised for being too polite to working girls, seeing them as very low in the class structure. LOL.

Being polite in Thailand though, probably does no harm. There is no real technical difference between "Mai Ao Khrap" and "Mai Khrap" (the second merely omits the verb "Ao" and it is understood. The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.

Interestingly the American expression "My bad" also lacks a verb and lacks a noun and sounds silly in my country. Just is not English. LOL. Thai allows for understood words to be dropped, more so than English.

I can try being extra polite and see if there is any difference. My theory always was that it required some level of rudeness to get rid of girls. However I can be wrong.

It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]If stingy on price, you will have no chance.

Don't be too upset if get a lot of rejections. I am Farang and get plenty as well, or girl wants to charge me a penalty for being Farang (a bit off putting like she is just going to try to tolerate it) okay The girl may prefer a an easy customer quickie, with smaller dick on average. What can we do? We have girl preferences too. I reject 99% of black / brown hookers in Bangkok, not because of skin colour, but just they are too fat or are not pretty enough. I have had plenty of African girls of a higher standard elsewhere.

We are always better off to choose a girl that is going to be very enthusiastic and likes us a lot. One of my previous bargirls even professed she prefers guys with a big dick, and gets hardly any Asian customers.

Usually the girls that I want in the Thermae, don't want me, and visa versa. Plenty of girls there would take me if I selected them. Just I want the best natural looking girl in the place, and not keen to compromise. Last 2 or 3 girls I took from there were not worth repeating. So I have become adjusted to the idea it is not a good hunting ground for all.

Some Thermae girls did not want to look at my face, not talk tome at all. Clearly I don't fit their preference.

Find your best hunting grounds, and don't worry what is best for other guys. Thermae is a good cheaper than bars option for some guys, that are O.K. with girls wanting a fairly quick Short Time, especially for Japanese, Korean and similar. Does not work well for everyone. Added problem is girl's body could be not good, once her clothes come off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222822]I can try being extra polite and see if there is any difference. My theory always was that it required some level of rudeness to get rid of girls. However I can be wrong.

It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.[/QUOTE]I guess that it is probably better accepted from a foreigner. I'm always very polite when speaking Thai and most of the time people like to meet a foreigner that speaks politely their language. The working girls like it a lot (as most of them, except the bottom ones, would not consider themselves as of a lower status than us) but I can see that a very few of them are feeling that it's a bit weird for them as probably unusual.

I'm pretty sure that it also saved me a fight in the bar with one of the aggressive drunk WG at stumble inn 2 years ago. Sometimes I even pretend to not speak a word of Thai or not understand it to get rid of the unwanted ones.

I agree that it's pretty difficult to know who and how Wai so I never do it unless they do it first.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222822] The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.[/QUOTE]Being polite doesn't have to do with hierarchy. Everyone uses it to be polite, regardless of his and the other person's status.

[QUOTE]It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.[/QUOTE]You don't have to wai a hooker at all. The normal response when receiving a wai from someone serving you would be to respond with a nod, sometimes also a polite smile, and in rare circumstances a wai.

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There is no real technical difference between "Mai Ao Khrap" and "Mai Khrap" (the second merely omits the verb "Ao" and it is understood. The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.
[/QUOTE]Yes, in terms of basic communication there might not be much technical difference between "Mai Ao" (I rarely hear farangs add the "Khrap" or "Khrup" to it), which essentially means "I don't want it" and "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup", which essentially means "No (politely) thank you (politiely)". But to an aggressive salesperson, the difference can be critical to getting them off your ass. And people who reach out to you on the street, try to drag you into their bars and shops, just start giving you unwanted massages out of the blue, get in your face while you are sitting having a beer, eating food or texting on your cellphone to sell you sunglasses and so on are very aggressive salespeople.

Here is what an aggressive salesperson thinks the instant you say "Mai Ao" ("I don't want it") to his item or service; "Well, of course you don't want it, Sir, because I have not yet fully explained or demonstrated all the wonderful features and benefits of my handy-dandy gadget and service. Please, if you will just slow down, relax and step inside to allow me to go over a few dozen of them to afford you the opportunity of at least knowing the fantastic value you might miss out on!"

See what I mean? You are not actually telling them "No. Stop." You are only telling them they have not yet done their job as aggressive salespeople to fully convince you of the value of their item or service. How can you possibly KNOW you "don't want it" if this top drawer salesperson has not even told you anything about how it will change your life for the better or shown you how wonderful his or her massage skills are? His new challenge now is to get those features and benefits into your life.

On the other hand, saying "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" ("No (politely) thank you (politely)") to an aggressive Thai salesperson is saying "NO" to the whole damned idea of them approaching you at all. And, as you say, not only being polite about it, but being EXCEEDINGLY polite about it. Ok, let's even say unnecessarily exceedingly polite about it. No matter. Not only does it shut down their immediate impulse to keep trying to show you why you ought to buy that thingy or accept their service, but in Thai culture they are particularly averse to crossing that double (polite) request to just take NO for my answer and stop.

Anyway, all I know is when I see my farang friends saying "Mai Ao" over and over again as the Thai salesperson/freelancer/ladyboy/shop worker is pulling at their arm or the street vendor is following them down the soi continuing to show them this style of sunglasses or that model of cellphone to continue their sales pitch, I can almost guarantee that same aggressive Thai salesperson will stop dead in his tracks and back off the instant I quietly, pleasantly but firmly say, "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup." And they'll even be gracious about it. Anybody reading this, try it and see if you get similar results. Or at least better results than the usual "Mai Ao."

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2222860]Yes, in terms of basic communication there might not be much technical difference between "Mai Ao" (I rarely hear farangs add the "Khrap" or "Khrup" to it), which essentially means "I don't want it" and "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup", which essentially means "No (politely) thank you (politiely)". [/QUOTE]I don't fully agree. A dictionary will tell you that Mai is an adjective or adverb if you know anything about Grammar. So Mai really means "not. ". There is no Thai word precisely the same as English Yes or No, since English No can mean several different things. No I don't want it, No don't do it, No I don't agree, No I don't like it, We have No bananas, there is no place better, etc. , even can be used by some regardless if they agree or disagree since they never ever say Yes to anything. LOL Even in English you can see that No is a short form of "Not want", "not agree", "Not like", "not have", "not any".

So "Mai Khrap " has left out the verb and implicitly means "not want", "not agree", "not have" etc. I. e. "Mai ao", "Mai hen duay", "Mai Chai", "Mai mee". "ao" is a very informal word, so "mai tong gaan" is slightly more proper. Adding "thanks very much" at the end is like saying thanks for the help anyway unless interpreted as sarcastic. Thais normally answer "Mai Khrap" in my experience when they are asked a question including a verb so that same verb would be understood in the answer. Would you take this? Answer "not (take) thanks". So I don't believe I hear it very often. More normal is to include the desired verb, where in English we don't.

Perhaps "Mai Khrap" can be interpreted as "Mai Tong Gaan Khrap" (I don't need it) which may seem softer than "Mai ao khrap" to some. Ao is a very common word though, so not a big problem to use it. Girl "ao mai" (do you want (me)). Answer "Ao si. rew rew" (yes absolutely and urgently)! Thais like euphemisms. The girl won't usually ask "do you want to fuck me?" "yet chan mai" It is a bit too direct and rather profane. Maybe she could be naughty and ask "boom boom mai"

You can check with a Thai Language teacher, if they agree with my views. I did study Thai for years, but don't have a teacher for recent years.
Perhaps I will ask my teacher, the implication of using polite "Khrap" too much to inferiors. I am not clear if Thais will think we are just extra polite, or perhaps not understanding Thai custom if too polite to people younger than ourselves and not in a position of official authority. I don't see my GF being too polite to young sales persons. I think she uses "Kha" sparingly. Obviously extra polite to monks and older people in the community though.
"ja" maybe a good alternative to "khrap" to be more polite but less formal. Maybe requires Thai skill to use correctly though.
I remember one Farang hearing "khorp Jai" from his Thai Mrs. a lot, then used it with a monk, which was a big mistake (rather impolite). Should be used to those of inferior status only, or sarcastically when "thanks" but not meaning it, like Thanks but I did not want it. So I only ever use "Khorp jai" when reluctantly taking or receiving something.

Yes it is better to err on the side of being too polite. Therefore as Farangs, it does not matter too much if we add "Khrap" a bit more than we need to.

To salespersons I try to use the Thai equivalent of I am just looking so far "Khae duu chery chery khrap". I don't think think sales persons in department store are really aggressive compared to some bargirls. LOL Street sellers, maybe, but I just refuse to talk to them at all. I don't feel compelled to waste my talking to every person on the street that accosts me. If a tourist needing directions to somewhere that is different.

A few times back I visited Thermae for the first time and was somewhat overwhelmed. Indeed, while I find fishbowls in general awkward if the girls can see you, I vastly prefer that setup to Thermae's racetrack (like in Macau's Grand Lisbon, except this time it's the guys who are doing the walking).

I walked in the back door this time, which was interesting as it goes through some sort of toilet area and there are some girls hanging out. I remember someone saying before that girls inside Thermae are vetted to be real and not post-op TS or LB, but it seemed pretty easy to just sneak in the back and there were definitely a few of the taller, bigger structured girls that I was skeptical about (just like my WeChat debacle a few days prior). I know definitely some of the girls hanging around outside in front along the street are LB.

I did one or two laps this time, and wanting to select quickly I narrowed down what I was feeling up for that night (although a good 75% were acceptable). Looking for someone slim, natural body, and especially a nice face without too much makeup, I happened to find myself standing next to a cutie who was maybe 5'2" but very slim with what appeared to be natural BS. She also was dressed cute and not too revealing which I was feeling that night. While many of the girls there were super pale or had on whitening makeup, she had naturally light tan skin with flawless complexion. After minimal pleasantries went right into it and asked how much? She asked for 2500ST. While I knew I could get less if I wasn't picky or negotiated hard, I didn't want to spend too much time and I think 2500 all in was ok. Unfortunately she wouldn't budge on CBJ but would allow DATY and kissing (no DFK but I'm ok with that).

Well, her performance was quite good with a very nice, natural body in the room. Many positions, she said she came (and certainly put on a good performance in DATY), and her CBJ was on point. No complaining and was very wet, with very sensitive nipples, and encouraged me to manhandle her tits. Fun. At the end she was so tired she decided to go home rather than try for another customer, and she told me she lives far away with her family and does this for some extra cash a few times a week only. No reason to doubt her story, especially since she didn't seem super pro, more semi-pro. A decent experience and I may try to find her again in the future. Excellent English also. Gave her an extra little bit (200 I think) as "taxi money" and as she did not pressure for tip at all probably would have been happy with only the 2500 we agreed on. I think what mattered more was treating her more like a gf than a provider.

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2222872]A few times back I visited Thermae for the first time and was somewhat overwhelmed. Indeed, while I find fishbowls in general awkward if the girls can see you, I va

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.[/QUOTE]See bangkokeyes com site for the history of thermae and all bars and massage parlours. These guys are the experts for 30 years. Thermae goes back to Vietnam era, in its various sites.

And see [URL]https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2018/09/welcome-back-bangkok/[/URL].

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Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.[/QUOTE]Thermae has been in existence since at least the mid-80's when I started going to Bangkok for work.

I have posted before about competitions that 2 mates and I would have to see who could get in and out with a girl for the night in the shortest time. It was so easy back then (the record was just under 2 minutes).

It has changed a lot from those earlier times.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2222903]Thermae has been in existence since at least the mid-80's when I started going to Bangkok for work.

I have posted before about competitions that 2 mates and I would have to see who could get in and out with a girl for the night in the shortest time. It was so easy back then (the record was just under 2 minutes).

It has changed a lot from those earlier times.[/QUOTE]My understanding that Thermae has been around (not in the same location) since the 70's.

Every girl I have gotten out of thermae, but one, has purportedly been a part timer. Most of the bar girls and gogo girls I have had allegedly started the same day. I was her first.

First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.

If you use Zalo app, you can find some really hot Vietnamese ladies working in Bangkok. They stay at Nana condo on soi 4 and another condo on soi 6. Some are extremely hot and they can be had for 3,000ST and offer incalls. This is a steal as they frequent Spasso in the evening and get 6,000ST. Just yesterday I had Mina. She also shows up on We chat now and again so give it a try.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2222927]First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.

If you use Zalo app, you can find some really hot Vietnamese ladies working in Bangkok. They stay at Nana condo on soi 4 and another condo on soi 6. Some are extremely hot and they can be had for 3,000ST and offer incalls. This is a steal as they frequent Spasso in the evening and get 6,000ST. Just yesterday I had Mina. She also shows up on We chat now and again so give it a try.[/QUOTE]I was planning Vietnam trip along with Bangkok. But if I can get Viet girls in Bangkok I will skip it. Thanks.

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Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.
[/QUOTE]Interesting to read since I went into that go-go bar for the first time in a long time, maybe ever, can't recall, just last week. In my case it was a spinner cutie sitting outside named Fon who enticed me inside. The chemistry she projected in the bar felt like true, long lasting love forever. LOL. After an LD or 2, the same numbers as yours were quoted.

As is usually my style, when the number comes out of the girl's mouth the "for what" details come out of mine. Which basically is either a full CIM finish to a BBBJ or a True GFE. Her true, long lasting love for me did not survive that revelation (either one, with me at least) for the 3000 to her or any other number suggested by her so I thanked her for her time and attention and bid her and the bar farewell.

Wound up with a lovely first meeting FL dating site option that night for a thoroughly satisfying all nighter that set me back 2,500 and I will definitely repeat with that one.

Is it common for Thermae girls to ask for taxi money after LT? I gave some taxi money to this particular girls since her service was satisfactory.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2222927]First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]So refreshing to read posts like this. Lots of great intel without the gratuitous details.