Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=BloodRed;3001864]Crimea has always been Russian and the Crimean people voted to join Russia. I thought you folks in the collective west believe in democracy? Or do you only accept referendums that you yourself conduct and accepts the results you like, like the one in Kosovo?[/QUOTE]This is pure Russian propaganda and disinformation. The history of Crimea is a complex; however, a unifying theme has been Russian imperialism attempting to gain total control over the last 250 years. Crimea was only demoted to an oblast in 1945 following the ethnic cleansing (by the Russians) of the Crimean Tatars in 1945. The Russians have wanted Crimea for centuries, but it has never been Russian.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;3001864]Crimea has always been Russian and the Crimean people voted to join Russia. I thought you folks in the collective west believe in democracy? Or do you only accept referendums that you yourself conduct and accepts the results you like, like the one in Kosovo?[/QUOTE]Crimea as well as present territory of Kherson region became Russian in April of 1783.

As well,

Field Marshal Alexander Suvorov crossed the Swiss Alps between September 11 and October 7, 1799. This was part of his Swiss campaign during the War of the Second Coalition, where his Russo-Austrian forces attempted to drive the French out of Switzerland. His army faced extreme hardships, including fierce battles and treacherous terrain, but managed to escape encirclement.

[QUOTE=Questner;3002141]Crimea as well as present territory of Kherson region became Russian in April of 1783.

As well,

Field Marshal Alexander Suvorov crossed the Swiss Alps between September 11 and October 7, 1799. This was part of his Swiss campaign during the War of the Second Coalition, where his Russo-Austrian forces attempted to drive the French out of Switzerland. His army faced extreme hardships, including fierce battles and treacherous terrain, but managed to escape encirclement.[/QUOTE]Crimea did belong to Ukraine since 1991 and according to Russia, til 2014 . At this time, when USSR split, Putin was only a nothing in KGB. When Russians and Ukrainians are brothers with so many mixed families, Russians should never follow such criminal dictator. Same for Israel with Netanyahou and USA with Trump.

Putin is kind of Staline hidden son and Russians are just pieces of meat for him. Russians would live more free and better without such criminal dictator.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;3001276]Some are yes, and they are a big part of the government. I guess you've not heard of the Azov battalion.[/QUOTE]There are no nazis in the Ukrainian government, but there are a lot of nazis in Russia and the Russian government.

[QUOTE=Questner;3002141]Crimea as well as present territory of Kherson region became Russian in April of 1783.

As well,

Field Marshal Alexander Suvorov crossed the Swiss Alps between September 11 and October 7, 1799. This was part of his Swiss campaign during the War of the Second Coalition, where his Russo-Austrian forces attempted to drive the French out of Switzerland. His army faced extreme hardships, including fierce battles and treacherous terrain, but managed to escape encirclement.[/QUOTE]Crimea and Kherson became Ukrainian in 1922 respectively 1954.

Crimea has a long history of being anything but Russian. Moscow's shameless and brutal imperialism doesn't give Russia right to anything but contempt.

If you want to talk history you're obligated to start with saying that Karelia belongs to Finland and how Russia started wars and murderous war crimes to steal Karelia from Finland. Russia also need to give up Kaliningrad since it's historically not a Russian territory.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3002277]Putin is kind of Staline hidden son and Russians are just pieces of meat for him. Russians would live more free and better without such criminal dictator.[/QUOTE]Putin showed again today to our world he doesn t want to stop war he started, while stupid crazy Trump keep on playing dangerous clown. Our world have to really isolate Russia and block their values, only way to stop this war making Russia broke, when they are not far to be.

Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come. Do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.

The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia.

Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian. The latter, even if they break up international treaties, just as quickly re-connect with each other, like pieces of a particle of mercury.

Ukraine still winning? Obviously, the whole country will be taken.

[QUOTE=Questner;3004044]Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come. Do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.

The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia.

Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main forces of Russia, which is based on millions of Russian. The latter, even if they break up international treaties, just as quickly re-connect with each other, like pieces of a particle of mercury.[/QUOTE]That is probably the smartest thing I have read. There would have been no war in Ukraine if the USA kept its word about not moving NATO to the East. I get Trump's frustration with Putin but also why Putin and Russia cannot trust Trump. It is not Trump, but the fact that Trump will not be in office in 2029. What happens then? We have seen Russia make a deal with one American administration just to have another one come in and nix the plan later.

Kamala bragged about brining Ukraine into NATO right before the war. Does anyone believe she or any of the other Democrats would not do the exact same thing once Trump is out of office? Virutally all Democrats want Ukraine in NATO, and the Russians know it.

[QUOTE=Riina;3005800]Ukraine still winning? Obviously, the whole country will be taken.[/QUOTE]Yes, Ukraine is winning.

The Russians are running of missiles. The Russians are running out of drones. The Russians are fighting with shovels. Putin is gravely ill. Crimea will be retaken. The Russians are bombing the ZNPP. The Russians blew up Nordstream. Russia has lost over a million soldiers.

Russia is broke, where did you get that from? Even after paying for a war now for several years, Russia's debt to GDP ratio was around 20 to 25%, unlike the 120% for the US or circa 90% for the Euro area. Russia is far from broke.

Putin was quite clear; you put Nato in my backyard and I am going to respond. So he responded.

History is a great teacher, the Europeans / Nato should have known better than to bait the bear!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3003811]Putin showed again today to our world he doesn t want to stop war he started, while stupid crazy Trump keep on playing dangerous clown. Our world have to really isolate Russia and block their values, only way to stop this war making Russia broke, when they are not far to be.[/QUOTE]

The Azov brigades and their backers in the Ukrainian establishment may disagree.

Western media was extensively reporting the far right threat from Ukraine all the way up to the point where they stopped as Europe suddenly became Ukraines ally in the war against Russia. Western media is morally bankrupt, why would you believe anything that comes from them over the Russians. Putin may only give you half the truth, but its more than you will get from the bastions of free speech in the West.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;3002515]There are no nazis in the Ukrainian government, but there are a lot of nazis in Russia and the Russian government.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BloodRed;3006068]Yes, Ukraine is winning.

The Russians are running of missiles. The Russians are running out of drones. The Russians are fighting with shovels. Putin is gravely ill. Crimea will be retaken. The Russians are bombing the ZNPP. The Russians blew up Nordstream. Russia has lost over a million soldiers.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid Crimea and probably part of Donbass won't return to belong to Ukraine. Trump is sucking too much Putin and only interested to rob poor Ukrainians, with his lies about USA help money.

[QUOTE=Aimara;3006079]Russia is broke, where did you get that from? Even after paying for a war now for several years, Russia's debt to GDP ratio was around 20 to 25%, unlike the 120% for the US or circa 90% for the Euro area. Russia is far from broke.

Putin was quite clear; you put Nato in my backyard and I am going to respond. So he responded.

History is a great teacher, the Europeans / Nato should have known better than to bait the bear![/QUOTE]I wrote: Rather than a stupid sucker Trump, our world have to make Russia becoming broke, not buying petrol and gaz which enable Putin to buy weapons to kill women and children, even many Russian companies are not paid by Putin. This war is only criminal dictator Putin war, when Ukraine and NATO never threatened Russia and same for Finland. For sure, Russian medias are as objective as in north Korea.