Kyiv

[QUOTE=Qjump]
Yea I met the girl with the ferrari she gave me a lift home... [/QUOTE]
Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.[/QUOTE]My advice for RP:

* Go there for fun and with the right attitude. It's your night.
* The right attitude is that it is a game, because it is. You can't win, but you don't have to lose.
* If you want to get laid, plan on spending $250-300. No more.
* You can get away with less, but you'll have to wait until at least 2:30-3:00. Girls start with $500.

Take a look, there are good girls to be had and performance is IME very good. But there are few "bargains" price-wise in RP. Essentially it is a slightly bigger version of RP.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Good! And report us please... I think to another sex week... ;)

In my opinion the best way is just going and sit at the bar... order something and keep an eye on the tables... usually full of teens from 7-8 pm up to 12... then deciste which you can pick up... ;)

Usually I rent a flat exactly in front of the entrance of Mandarin so I'm not more far than 50 m from Arena and from a couple of nice bars where I can have a good breakfast. Some in the underground city (in the middle part just under the little square in front of the merket) have even "Illy caffè" a must for Italians... and the underground pub beside ul. Baseina number 5 opens at 11 and make excellent breakfast with eggs, bacon, etc...

If you need a good restaurant in walking distance (but no pick up there), on ground in my taste ARENA food is so so, you gan get at Pervak, just around the corner and next block [url]www.pervak.kiev.ua[/url]

At the corner of the little and short Rogodieniskaya and Kreshatik... not more than 150 meters, not cheap (a good dinner will go for 100 USD for two), not western, but good international cooking, good georgian wine, good beer, they have Illy Caffè too... different areas inside, and a nice and luxurious place to "work" a normal girl to get her in bed. Worked with miss U., with Ira and others... ;)

Casual with no sneakers is OK, open to the last customer leave.

Happy hunting

It

Of course you are in a Hotel, but I write this for others too... ;) Notice that Mystery Tramp is at work again... ah ah she was on flirt some days ago... unfortunately Lol...ita is definly gone :( She is my best fuck, BBBJ + CIM + COF GFE ever... 9/10 just because no Anal.[/QUOTE]Hello IT can you give me the exact address of "Illy Caffè" ? or much more informations for find it?

Thank you

I don't write reports here because of my limited English skills, anyway I had a question about the Taxi Prices in Kiev today:

1. What is a fair price for the trip from Borispol-Airport to the city centre ?

2. What is a fair price for distances within the city if you take non-official taxis, for example from maidan-place to "Shooters" Discotheque?

Thanks in advance!

Okay, a taxi question, I'll field this one.

The taxi services that most locals use charge around 110uah to go to the airport. I paid 108uah at the end of this winter from Maidan to Borispil. Taking a taxi from Borispil to the center always seems to be a little more expensive due to taxi mafia pricing. I paid 150uah on NYE for Borispil to the center, anywhere from 100uah to 150uah is reasonable pricing. However, I have never actually walked past the taxi guys to outside the terminal to see if I could get a better fare, might be worth a try.

Pricing inside the center tends to run from 20uah anywhere inside the center to 50uah to anywhere the metro goes. I haven't used a private car in about 2 years so I have no idea where that pricing is. ALWAYS settle on the pricing before you get in the car. If it's too high flag down the next car.

Dr S. I still think the breaking point at RP is $200 for several hours. I could be wrong - I'm not an RP pro, but I do know people who are. :)

Some advice for taxi by my personal experience.

1. Lada taxis cost always less than other more advanced vehicles. It is more unlikely that you get scammed by entering an old Lada taxi. So search for Ladas everywhere.

2. Do not approach taxis which stand next to each other because their drivers are friends and by the time one of them gives an offer, the rest will not accept any grivnya less. So it is better to approach alone taxis.

3. In airport. When you arrive, a guy or more will come to you and tell you to come to their taxis before you even exit terminal. They will never leave you being on your face literally and speaking to you constantly.

Never accept to get into the taxi of the first person who comes and talks to you. He will ask for a ridiculous price, for example 250 grivnyas because he regards you as an ignorant tourist. Say I know the price is only 100 grivnyas and say it in Russian. The first driver will not accept such a low offer and will try to take you to his friends who will try to arrange a slightly better price let's say 150-180 grivnya. You have to ignore them and go to the next group of taxi drivers.

It is important if the drivers are friends between each other. If they are not, they will start giving competitive prices, for example one will say I will take you with 140 grivnyas, you tell that the other from the different group of drivers and he says, O. K. , I will take you with 130 grivnyas, you act then like willing to enter the taxi and then get again to the first driver who offered you 140 grivnyas, you tell him the other driver from the next group accepts only 120 grivnyas, so he has to lower the price. He will say something like O. K.come in, I will take you with 110 grivnyas.

By this time you can enter the taxi because if you try to get even more discount by continuing the bid, it is likely that some others like managers will appear to solve the conflict and they will insist that you pay 150 grivnyas or you have to leave. So just take advantage and do not overdo because they regard bid as stealing them while if they manage to keep the price up by former arrangement that no taxi driver will take less than 150 grivnyas for example, means that they win.

The point is to win them but to not completely humiliate them as to make them take revenge. (aka the driver saying sorry Mr. , I don't have coins or 10, 20 grivnyas banknotes, so I cannot give you 30 back if you give me 150, meaning that you have to pay 150 actually since it is impossible for you to get 10, 20 grivnya banknotes in remote area).

The means Ukrainians use to scam tourists

1. Blackmail

2. Quick action, so you cannot oppose it

3. Element of surprise. You do not expect at all that it will happen

4. Taking you in unfavourable circumstances. When you are off balance, on trip, tired, in remote areas, etc. So you don't have power to resist.

I gave you some hints about the way they think and see situations. There are winners and losers everywhere.

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Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.

So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.

Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.

Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).

Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).

Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.

All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.

Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.

So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.

The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).

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[QUOTE=Hecker]Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.

So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.

Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.

Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).

Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).

Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.

All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.

Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.

So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.

The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).

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The gas prices have just risen by 65%, thanks to the dick head presedent inviting the americans to use Ukrainian ports and come visit him on a weekly basis. so the wages are all spent anyway and bound to go up more!

I think that the limit is the 300 euro. I mean, as I have written before, when the average wages exceed 300 euro per month (or 300$ when referring to older times), chances to get freebies get much worse because the lower class, unemployed etc desperate girls who strived for short term relationships (even for one day) with foreigners vanish and the more they disapear, the less the chances for getting quick results (without having to start a relationship) become.

It happened in Czech Republic in 1999 when the wages surpassed 300$ per month and in Poland in 2001 when the same happened.

It probably happened in Russia two years ago. (just see the reports in Moscow 2005 section and compare to those nowadays).

So in my opinion the huge base that provided easy to shag freebies for one night stand has shrinken to such an extent that it is almost impossible for the short time traveller to rely on finding them and so he has to start long term relationship (which means visiting more often than once a year), which before was not the case and of course no prerequisite for getting laid.

But I just want to give my feelings regarding the Ukraine economy, I am not an ecomomist by any means, but I ve lived here for the past four years and I also spent the night in the Hotel Donbass. Twice.

I think Qjump and Hecker both raise interesting points, and I can see were they're coming from, right now in Ukraine we have Inflation (big time) which is high prices, high wages, high growth, low unemployment, last April in a move to curb this inflation the UAH was made stronger against all majors, I think they made this move in an effort to slow the economy, and maybe even bring on a mild resession, and this would mean low prices, low growth, low wages, and higher unemployment. It appears to be working somewhat, the inflation rate at present is 16 percent, a few months ago it was close to 30, and economists are predicting that for the year 2009, inflation could be as low as 9 percent. My feelings, wishfull thinking, I think 12 or 13 percent is more realistic.

Qjump makes an interesting point, I think he's saying high wages; yes, but also high energy costs, which of course is very true. As an example, the cost for bus fare has risen by 100 percent in the past year, an average ukrainan could easily spend 100 dollars a month on bus fares. But, it could get much worst, on January 1, natural gas cost could increase 300 percent, and if this happens, expect to see; to put it bluntly, and economic collapse. The reason for this is because the industry here has not modernized, not at all, plants spend alot of money for their engerny needs and if this increases, I think you can expect to see lay offs in the thousands, esp. Were I live in the far east. Just my feelings, if any one wants to know about the circus called Ukraine politics I can give input re: that issue as well. And one more thing, OBAMA! Please.

[QUOTE=Timmy21]
last April in a move to curb this inflation the UAH was made stronger against all majors, I think they made this move in an effort to slow the economy, and maybe even bring on a mild resession, and this would mean low prices, low growth, low wages, and higher unemployment. It appears to be working somewhat, the inflation rate at present is 16 percent, [/QUOTE]

Sorry, you provide some misleading/incorrect info:

1)Booming economy ?
NJET !
In August, the real industrial production (inflation of prices being considered) of UA fell 0.5% compared to August 2007. Could be seasonal effect, though. But I do not think so, because of slowing world economy, and the rise of energy prices beginning of next year.
[url]http://www.kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1024151[/url]

2)Industry is worried about stagflation: sinking production AND increasing prices.
The strong UHA hurts the industrial export, which has to compete with China etc.
In the first seven months of 2008 the prices for industrial products have risen 34.1% !
[url]http://www.kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1008761[/url]

3)The inflation in the fist 8 months of 2008 was 14.8%, in comparison to August 2007 it was 26% !
[url]http://korrespondent.net/business/economics/576007[/url]

Especially inflation for foodstuff I can personally see very clearly:
In May, I bought 10 eggs on the market here in Nikolaev for about 3.5UHA.
Now I have to pay 5.5UHA !
Cheapest mineral water on the market in Nikolaev in May 1.75UHA/1.5l, now 2UHA !
Cheese, for instance, on the market almost as expensive as in the cheap food shops in Germany (ALDI, Lidl). Minimum for cheese is about 32UHA/kg, which is equivalent to 4.76Eu/kg with current exchange rate.
At ALDI in Germany you can buy starting at 4.99E/kg.

Cheers from Nikolaev

When cheese gets the squeeze you know things are bad.

Seriously, is such detailed economic analysis really useful when trying to pull girls? Let's suppose a Kiev girl in her early twenties is earning an exceptional - or at least very good for her age - salary, say $900 pm. After she's covered rent ($5-600 per month) and food ($100 if she eats at home) she's got precious little left over for fun. Maybe a few cocktails with her friends, the odd tight fitting pair of jeans.. Plus she'll be paying for transport and lunch every day.

She's going to need some kind of male input for the luxuries. Increasingly that male contribution is going to be from local Ukrainian guys, but dinner with wine at a fancy restaurant, the sort of thing to sweep her off her feet, is not something she'll experience within her local circle that often as it's not a priority when your total entertainment budget is $200 for the month. That's where we come in.

BTW it's important to make sure you click first before spending money; don't spend in the hope it'll make her like you! Obvious, but worth reiterating.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]When cheese gets the squeeze you know things are bad.

Seriously, is such detailed economic analysis really useful when trying to pull girls? Let's suppose a Kiev girl in her early twenties is earning an exceptional - or at least very good for her age - salary, say $900 pm. After she's covered rent ($5-600 per month) and food ($100 if she eats at home) she's got precious little left over for fun. Maybe a few cocktails with her friends, the odd tight fitting pair of jeans.. Plus she'll be paying for transport and lunch every day.

She's going to need some kind of male input for the luxuries. Increasingly that male contribution is going to be from local Ukrainian guys, but dinner with wine at a fancy restaurant, the sort of thing to sweep her off her feet, is not something she'll experience within her local circle that often as it's not a priority when your total entertainment budget is $200 for the month. That's where we come in.

BTW it's important to make sure you click first before spending money; don't spend in the hope it'll make her like you! Obvious, but worth reiterating.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly. They need the luxuries. I older times they needed to survive. It is very different to get a girl by paying for her a pizza or a chicken to eat and very different to wait that a girl will be so exceptionally pleased by a perfect expensive meal in a luxury restaurant that she is going to sleep with you.

Girls really needed the small money before 2003 for survival, substinence reasons, not for luxury.

Hey guys,

That's all true! The global economy is our problem because mongers are becoming poorer and girls are becoming richer.

Luxury is a necessity that begins where necessity ends :)