Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2937789]Price of the barfine or price for 1 hour in the room upstairs depends on the bar you're in.

This is not the same price in the whole soi.

Mr Everything is right, most of the bars are applying a multiple tier price for the barfine (if you take the girl out of the bar). That price is heavy during the day (2. 5 K in any Nightwish bars or 1. 5 K in Love Missile for example), and becomes less expensive later in the night. But I think it never gets as low as 500 baht in a Nightwish bar, so you're probably having fun in the bars that are not part of the Nightwish business.[/QUOTE]Yes to be clear, I bar fine at night as I don't think I have ever even arrived to Soi 6 before 9 pm And the bar fine varies slightly but it is usually around 500-600 at night. I could be wrong as I have been banged up many times on Soi 6, but I am almost positive at night I have never been quoted above 600 bar fine and over 80% of girls agree to 1500ST.

Last night in LK Metro, a gogo girl quoted me 1800ST bar fine and 3000 for her. I did not negotiate as I didn't want to bar fine her at the moment. She was probably late 20's to early 30's as well but very attractive still.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937972]I'm no expert at Soi 6 LT but I don't even think you could have had 1500 LT with a young pretty girl in 2017. Before that was the "up to you" era so I guess some guys took advantage and paid 1500 or less.[/QUOTE]The OP had twisted things. He is claiming that what he is willing to pay is the norm, when in fact it's not. Therefore, giving false price expectations to others. Everyone is free to pay what they want, but to insist that he walks into a Soi 6 bar and pays a 500 Baht bar fine and 1500-2000 LT is not realistic. Can he get this LT rate? Yes, if he makes a deal to meet the girl after her work or finds a freelancer. But to claim the prices for LT on Soi 6 are 1500-2000 Baht with a 500 Baht bar fine is just not accurate and its misleading. The Night wish group that owns 80 % of the bars there does not have a 500 baht bar fine for LT and the girls will never agree to 1500 LT while they are working there under normal circumstances. Fact!

For the OPs ST rates, he is spot on.

There are exceptions to this for someone like Explorer who is a local expat and knows a lot of girls. But we are talking about the norm here.

Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia. This ensures me of a great night. This no nonsense style of mongering in Pattaya and Bangkok has served me well.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987]The OP had twisted things. He is claiming that what he is willing to pay is the norm, when in fact it's not. Therefore, giving false price expectations to others. Everyone is free to pay what they want, but to insist that he walks into a Soi 6 bar and pays a 500 Baht bar fine and 1500-2000 LT is not realistic. Can he get this LT rate? Yes, if he makes a deal to meet the girl after her work or finds a freelancer. But to claim the prices for LT on Soi 6 are 1500-2000 Baht with a 500 Baht bar fine is just not accurate and its misleading. The Night wish group that owns 80 % of the bars there does not have a 500 baht bar fine for LT and the girls will never agree to 1500 LT while they are working there under normal circumstances. Fact!

For the OPs ST rates, he is spot on.

There are exceptions to this for someone like Explorer who is a local expat and knows a lot of girls. But we are talking about the norm here.

Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia.[/QUOTE]So, what is the average price / rate for both LT and ST on Soi 6 now??

Night Wish Bars doubt any girl will go LT for under 4000 baht LT before 12 am with BF being 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2937989]So, what is the average price / rate for both LT and ST on Soi 6 now??

Night Wish Bars doubt any girl will go LT for under 4000 baht LT before 12 am with BF being 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I think the rates you just quoted are maybe what the girls ask for LT, but may not end up getting. The bar fine varies between each bar before midnight so if we keep that out of equation, 3000 LT is about the average. Can you get it lower? 2500 would be a good deal and 2000 would be almost unheard of and 1500 well I think almost never.

My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.

Now from a FL prices are as low or as high as you can negotiate, but in Soi 6 and go go bars, there is a general norm for everything unless it's a special circumstance. Don't get so hung up on price is my suggestion. If you like the girl, pay what you want. Sometimes you might pay lower than the norm and other times maybe higher. It will all even out in the end. Have fun. You can't take it with you mate.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937990]I think the rates you just quoted are maybe what the girls ask for LT, but may not end up getting. The bar fine varies between each bar before midnight so if we keep that out of equation, 3000 LT is about the average. Can you get it lower? 2500 would be a good deal and 2000 would be almost unheard of and 1500 well I think almost never.

My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.

Now from a FL prices are as low or as high as you can negotiate, but in Soi 6 and go go bars, there is a general norm for everything unless it's a special circumstance. Don't get so hung up on price is my suggestion. If you like the girl, pay what you want. Sometimes you might pay lower than the norm and other times maybe higher. It will all even out in the end. Have fun. You can't take it with you mate.[/QUOTE]Amen!!

Amen and Thanks.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937990]My opinion of Soi 6 and Pattaya in general is that the girls working in the bars and also many TF FLs don't like to go LT anymore. They often ask 4-6000 LT not because they think they can get it, but to discourage people from going LT. They prefer ST for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is obvious reasons. I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave. Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2937967]These debates on prices are recurrent and also very enlightening. For my part, I thought I noticed that prices were more and more expensive the further you went into soi 6. Is this the result of my imagination or that of multiple coincidences?

I am quite fascinated and I also remain perplexed because I remain convinced that it is difficult to draw generalizations and that prices are the result of an equation with multiple unknowns of the type a2 + 2 ab + b2 and even more complicated. Where the variables are: age of the client, her appearance, time of day (or night), time of year (whether touristy or not), whether the police are around, the hotel where you are staying (in case of barfine), whether the girl has been fucked before or not (by a client or her boyfriend), how many times, whether you have already practiced it, whether she has to travel or not, far or not, tired or not, financial emergencies in her family, her age, whether she has a lot of clients or not, whether she is attractive or not (I am not even talking about beauty, it is too subjective), the average prices practiced in the sector and the type of establishment, her mood at the time, whether she is bored, whether she has just argued with a friend or with the mamasan, whether she is hungry and prefers to eat, whether it is raining or sunny, etc. We can of course add many other factors, there is no limit.

You put all these elements in a shaker, shake it hard and you get a price. I would be interested if at least a few of these elements were mentioned each time a price is given.[/QUOTE]Pricing not Complicated Bro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]I do not think it is obvious reasons. I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave. Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.[/QUOTE]LT with many ladies is no fun. After the first cum dump, they are anxious to go home and be with their Thai boyfriend, or to hit a karaoke bar and hand a young Thai man their earnings.

I once had a bar girl claim, after dinner and a fuck, that she accidentally ingested some beef during dinner and had an allergic reaction. So she had to go to a clinic.

Unfortunately for her, after that, she traveled with me a lot, and couldn't eat beef. For years. And then we went to Argentina where her allergy disappeared and she could eat steak.

The reality is that the first night, she was addicted to a young Thai man who started working bar at 1 am, and so had to invent a story to get out of a LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]I do not think it is obvious reasons. [b]I think the punters have painted the hobby into this corner themselves by only asking for short time[/b]. You see it on this board. Most guys only want to bust and for the girl to leave.[/QUOTE][B]I prefer Short Time[/B]

[U]Reasons why I prefer short time[/U]

I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending. I do not need to pay a girl to be my companion. Which the only reason to have a girl Long Time. I am not fucking her 5 - 8 hours that she is with me. Why am I paying a employee to sleep?

If I want to do long time with a girl I get an real girlfriend / ATF. You know one of those girls that PROFESSIONAL TRICKS have forgotten exists. A [I]good time[/I] that will spend time with you because you are paying for the good times. Not for her time or pussy. I have one of those everywhere I spend extensive time. To include Pattaya Thailand. That means I have to like her personality. She needs to bring more to the table than just her pussy. She has to have personality. She has to be someone who looks out for me.

I do not like to travel with random girls. If I am going to spend that much time with a girl then I need to share insane chemistry with her outside of sexual interaction. Girl has to be the #2 category to ride in a plane, train, boat or automobile trip of extensive length of time.

Demands of the market dictate. In no way and never has it been that market participants on the demand side are the sole individuals that dictate the market. The girls selling the pussy play a role in it also. But most wage slaves they do not under market dynamics. These girls selling pussy for a living or pastime understand the dynamics of a market way better than mere salary earners. The know that three short time customers pays 3000 THB in three hours than one LT customer that pays 3000 for 5 - 8 hours of her time. Even a wage slave can do the math on that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937999]Most of the places around the world where you used to be able to grab a holiday girlfriend and were known for long time, you now have chicks quoting prices by the hour or for short time. It used to be you would have to put chicks out when you got tired of them, sometimes after days. There are still plenty of chicks to be had LT in some places, but it is a stark difference from the days of old.[/QUOTE]Never thought I would see Mr. E talking about glory days. But here we are. Time catches up with everyone. But wishful thinking does not control the market. Supply and demand does. If you want Long Time pay up and make it worth the while of the prostitute you are hiring.

You can find inflation in all markets around the world. Package sizes getting smaller while the price staying the same. The problem is the fiat money system that is build with inflation imbedded into the system that drains the value of your money out slowly. Market participants know this. That is why they raise prices. Because the inputs they need to pay for their life are increasing.

Individuals on the demand side also factor in. They feel richer because of asset inflation so they think they can spend more on the things that they like. The solution:

[B]get rich or die trying[/B]

So that you can participate in the game at the level you choose too without complaining about money on a obscure website focused on sharing information on having sex with girls. Or you can change the marketplace where you participate in activities.

[B]I can goto 808[/B] Get a table right next to the DJ booth order a bottle and set ups and that is going to be 2000 THB minimum. Or I can goto a [B]Thai Oriented club[/B] and party with multiple girls. I can buy multiple bottles and set ups. We drink all night, eat food, listen to good music. Girls be dancing on the tables at some point in the night. People are there celebrating their birthdays. Wide variety of music is played for the same exact 2000 THB minimum. The Thai Club is a WAY better value. You do not see me up in here complaining about the price of a bottle in 808.

[I]I am at peace with myself and all others[/I]

Murda irl Pattaya Streamer.

Showed us his Freebie. God she Ugly. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

I will not disclose info. So please don't ASK.

I doubt she gets Barfined at all.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2938127]LT with many ladies is no fun. After the first cum dump, they are anxious to go home and be with their Thai boyfriend, or to hit a karaoke bar and hand a young Thai man their earnings.[/QUOTE]I guess my experience is pretty different from yours. I must have a knack for choosing chicks that I actually enjoy being around and that it seems enjoy being around me. Nobody is usually breaking their neck to run out of the door and give the money to any mystery boyfriend or husband. They must be hiding them pretty good since I go to most chick's rooms and sometimes even stay the night there.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937912]2500 BAHT BAR FINE on Soi 6! LOLOLOLOL.

Hmmmmm suspect?[/QUOTE]Go into a Nightwish Group bar on Soi 6 at 3 Pm. Drink until 6 and then ask to bar fine the girl LT from 6 Pm till the next day. See what they quote you as the bar fine. Not the girls fee, but just the bar fine. Then you will understand.

I am no bar owner. I just believe in being realistic. The price quoted for LT by the original OP is not a realistic rate most can get on Soi 6 for Long Time. Then I practice the following in my mongering:

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987]Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story. Other girls know this about me and often will even go with me without even discussing price or services. Why ? Because they know I will take care of them, but only if they give me what I want with no drama. It has worked for me for the last 25 years in Asia. This ensures me of a great night. This no nonsense style of mongering in Pattaya and Bangkok has served me well.[/QUOTE]So happy now?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2937757]Be warned, these are not real barbers, they are dudes off the street who have no clue what they are doing. Nothing like Latino barbers.[/QUOTE]Really? Have you tried them all? I have been to several barbers in Pattaya over the years, and have no complaints at all.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2937987] Now for me, I will just get this out of the way now so we never need to think about it again. I am an over-payer. Yes, thats right. When I see a girl I like, I make an offer she cant refuse for the services I want, end of story.[/QUOTE]I do this sometimes and I don't feel bad. Most of the time, I'll just pay the normal price and try not to get ripped off. But if a girl is super hot. And let's say she would agree to a "ridiculous high" price of 4000st.

Then I think that's only $115 and if I was back in the USA, I would gladly pay her double that every time I'm in the mood LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2937972]I'm no expert at Soi 6 LT but I don't even think you could have had 1500 LT with a young pretty girl in 2017. Before that was the "up to you" era so I guess some guys took advantage and paid 1500 or less.[/QUOTE]+1. Whilst Soi 6 is not my preferred late afternoon or night out in Pattaya (I prefer GC vibe / pool bars / live music venues) I visit Pattaya twice per year for one month in April and 3 weeks in low season (next trip coming up in 4 weeks). During each venue I always dedicate one night minimum (mostly 2) to Soi 6. It's almost like nostalgia. I cannot remember paying LT price of 1500 or less for a LONG time for a spinner / optifuk. Ram is not wrong to say that older ladies, some with few customer prospects, might do this. But he also commented that he is 40's and only takes the younger pretty girls. My experience is that ET is right. The bar fine price starts high and declines as the night progresses. The LT price for a spinner is now minimum 2000 (late on) or normally 2500-3000. I was there during Songkran this year (total bedlam! Just after Songkran I had a fabulous time in Toybox. Decided to try to take 2 young optifuks out for a night out, meal, bit of fun down WS and maybe a karaoke or pool competition. Despite generosity with lady drinks my attempts to persuade both of them to come for 2000 each, meal, drinks all night did not succeed. At that point (8 pm) mamasan was quoting 1500 BF for each of the two but said she would take 1000 for each if I definitely took two. But the LT price at that time was 3000 and the best I could get it to was 2500. So rather than spend 7000 (x2 2500 and x2 1000) I said I would take one only for 1500 BF and 2500. The mamasan asked me "why take 2 for 5000 when you can take 2 for 7000". Fair point. Having now referred to the price in global terms I countered with 6000 for the two and she reluctantly accepted. Meaning I got x2 BF 1000 (which at 8 pm is reasonable) and x2 LT at 2000 each. Great night was had. But the notion of the best looking girls doing 1500 LT and BF at 500? Sorry. Not something I've come across on Soi 6 for a very long time. And no, I'm not a bar owner!