Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236189]I was at RB5 late last night and noticed a two different customers sitting next to me seem to pay the girl's fee up front at the bar. I am wondering what will happen if I refuse to do the same and insist on paying after.[/QUOTE]These are exactly the kind of practices that mongers must unite against, instead of bickering about the prices we pay.

That said, I agree with BB, in some bars, if you are not a known customer or you look like a guy who will stiff the girl over her fee then you are out of luck. Pure perception and judgement at play here. Nothing you can do. One of the other reasons why you should not behave like a cheap charlie in the bar. Sure, you don't have to go overboard but it helps if you don't come across as a tightwad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2236271]I guess there have been girls only 20 to 30 mins late. Others usually over 1 hour late. [/QUOTE]It's not just social events where Thai people are late, it extends into the professional world. My first trip to Thailand was a 48 hour whirlwind business trip with 4 separate meetings scheduled. If I remember correctly, each meeting started 30 to 60 minutes late. Thai lateness was a contributing factor to continuing business elsewhere.

I also have a friend in the north who does professional training. People are typically 15-30 minutes late for training sessions. She is constantly frustrated by it, but says it is part of Thai culture and she can't change it.

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One good approach is to meet close to where you're staying and ask them to send you a message when they're almost there...[/QUOTE]That is usually the best way, imo. Actually, it is common for the girl to start Line messaging you as they (presumably) are getting closer to the destination anyway, typically asking ME "Where are you now?" 2-3 times as their bts/mrt train or taxi is getting closer (preumably) to the meeting destination. God forbid they arrive an hour late and then have to wait so much as 10 minutes for the man.

After they arrive at the destination, if you happen to be in the toilet or on the other side of the mall strolling around, their "Where are you now?" messages will become more urgent by the minute. Again, this will be after they are already at least an hour later than the agreed upon time. BTW, in the case of dating site girls, count on the latest ones being the ones who insisted on their profile they don't want to meet anyone who "plays games" and impresses you with how much they "hate liars". LOL.

A critical point for anyone meeting a Thai girl away from their hotel or apartment; never, never, never choose or agree to a meeting place outdoors. You will either be sweating like a pig from the heat, drenched in rain or both by the time the girl arrives, if ever. Always set a destination inside an air-conditioned building with plenty of seating available, beverages, a decent toilet and good wifi. And the closer to a bts or mrt station, the better.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236440]Payment up front for the girl is to protect them from being ripped off by their customer. [/QUOTE]I would submit that it is not just that some girls are worried that they will be unlucky enough to hook up with a customer who will "rip them off" by not paying afterwards or by paying much less than expected. Of course, I am sure that must happen sometimes. But it is also the case that some girls are so often so god-awful at their job they experience a high percentage of customers who balk at paying them the fully agreed upon rate afterwards. Therefore, it is best FOR THEM to collect the money upfront, even better if a third party like the mamasan collects it and keeps it in hand for them at the bar or wherever.

In terms of "rip off" possibilities, I will further submit there are many more well-intentioned and otherwise generous customers who get ripped off by lousy providers than wonderful or even merely decent providers who get ripped off by customers who mysteriously decide this is the kind of girl they want to deny the 2000-3000 payment for good service that was indeed provided. And, imo, it is the former situation pattern that causes a girl or the venue to realize they'd better institute a "Pay Upfront" system rather than rely on getting paid the agreed upon rate afterwards, not the latter situation pattern of encountering customers who were well treated by the girl but chose to rip her off on the payment.

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In terms of "rip off" possibilities, I will further submit there are many more well-intentioned and otherwise generous customers who get ripped off by lousy providers than wonderful or even merely decent providers who get ripped off by customers who mysteriously decide this is the kind of girl they want to deny the 2000-3000 payment for good service that was indeed provided. And, imo, it is the former situation pattern that causes a girl or the venue to realize they'd better institute a "Pay Upfront" system rather than rely on getting paid the agreed upon rate afterwards, not the latter situation pattern of encountering customers who were well treated by the girl but chose to rip her off on the payment.[/QUOTE]In some established KTVs in other countries, "Pay Upfront" comes with service level guarantee. The girl won't denied services agreed upon, won't leave early without the customer's permission, some just absolutely won't leave before time is up. The girl will be panelized by suspension if the customer complains or some times the customer will get partial refund.

Thailand or the Philippines to get away from dreary English winters? The land of smiles win outs. Got myself a great crib in Lang Suan close enough to the action and with great food choices.

On Lang Suan itself my favorites are Smoking Pug a great Yankee style smokehouse with Cajun style rib racks to die for and Ninth Café for my Tom Yum and Somtam. The best of all though is the open kitchen eating emporium attached to Tops supermarket at Central Chitlom. It's amazing, sitting at the same table you can have a bowl of noodles costing 70 baht or 200 grams of caviar costing 38000 baht. You can order from an extensive menu or shop at the supermarkets butchers department for your prime cut then have them prepare it as you desire for an extra 160 baht which includes a side dish, the mashed potatoes are good. Buy a bottle of wine (the white is perfectly chilled) from their excellent selection in the wine department and have it served without a corkage charge. Great sushi and oysters from everywhere on earth. Also on Lang Suan Muse hotel has a good Italian and staying with the same cuisine a little further along there's limoncello on 11 great Parma ham pizza and Rossano's on 21, Friday or Saturday is best there, you get the tenors and soprano's doing their thing.

I am not great at remembering names or even places but for what it's worth here's a rundown on what else I've come across. Closest to me is LE glamour massage beside Chit Lom BTS. Not a great selection but facilities are brand new and the girls try really hard to give you a good time. Candy was my choice there. Heading towards Sukhumvit there are a number of very basic massage shops on the left side of soi 1. I wander by every so often, the girls sit outside and I have found some good choices here but they come and they go so it's very hit and miss.

I like Hillary 2 and 4 on Nana and have made friends with some expats who are regulars. Its interesting hearing their perspective on living here. Hillary 4 has some rocking music in the evenings. These and the beer garden on 7 provide opportunities to meet girls / women all day all night long. Mostly older but I sometimes like some MILF action. For no hanky panky massage its Tarntip on 7/1. On to 19 to Mai Chan. I have found this to be where I end up most often. It's a Japanese (but all are welcome) themed massage joint with lots of nice service touches, cold towel while choosing from the lineup, choice of drinks, helping you undress, showering you before and after and then helping you dress. The staff are mostly young and cute, Hana and Mo are my favorites.

My head spins when I wander around Phrom Phong, so many choices how does a fellow decide which door to go in, which girl to choose. There is also a small soi on 22, second on left past the Marriott with lots of choices. I must have been to at least a dozen places so far on soi's 22, 24, 26 and 33 but still a hundred yet to explore. In their own way they are all different yet somehow they are all the same. I've learned Its not the place its the girl.

And now for something completely different. On On Nut soi 32 (I know sounds funny) there are two shops side by side on the left hand side which offer what is known as Jabkasai massage. Only one girl works in each. It's a cross between a therapeutic treatment and a good old fashioned hand job. It's not for everybody as massaging the prostrate is a big part of what happens and while it's an asexual experience there is no touching at least for me the slow build orgasm is really intense. Not something I would do everyday just once in a while.

I appreciate my writing style lacks flair so I think this may be enough for my second contribution to the forum.

P.S. Absolutely love it here.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236545]In some established KTVs in other countries, "Pay Upfront" comes with service level guarantee. The girl won't denied services agreed upon, won't leave early without the customer's permission, some just absolutely won't leave before time is up. The girl will be panelized by suspension if the customer complains or some times the customer will get partial refund.[/QUOTE]Hard to imagine such a venue existing in Thailand. Some guys liken a "Pay Upfront" P4P deal as similar in some way to paying upfront for your McDonald's Big Mac Combo Set; you pay the money up front and they hand you the tray of food as stated, no wild downside variations, no unpleasant surprises in virtually any McDs at any time of day or night. lol.

When a bar or shop in Thailand guarantees or money will be fully refunded that their girls will deliver as promised in the bar with no unpleasant surprises and there is a long term pattern of success to back it up, no dead rat under that bun instead of grilled beef so to speak, then and only then will I be ok with "Pay Upfront" in Thailand. Or in the Philippines for that matter. Which means I will never be ok with it really.

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I also have a friend in the north who does professional training. People are typically 15-30 minutes late for training sessions. She is constantly frustrated by it, but says it is part of Thai culture and she can't change it.[/QUOTE]You CAN change it if you're persistent and your training sessions extend over a few days, You can also build in sanctions for those who are late.

As a professional trainer myself, I start on the scheduled time and it's too bad if people are late. They don't get hand-outs etc until after the session is over and I don't recap anything that they missed.

I now have a "reputation" for starting on time, and when participants know I am presenting it is amazing how punctual they can be. It works in both Thailand and Philippines, two places where time is traditionally treated in an off-hand way.

If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2236599]If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.[/QUOTE]Ah, but you see how brilliant they are about it? They DO have a genuine excuse and ARE informing us they are "on the way". LOL. And I suspect they actually believe it in their heart, too. When I have called them on it and just walked, they behave like my reaction is the meanest, most heartless they have ever known. LOL. Poor babies.

Actually, there is a fun way to play the Late bit with the dating site girls. And since it almost always happens that they are late, I apply it almost every time. Her message - "Sorry, I am late". My reply message - "No problem. Your punishment for being late is I make you do terrible things to my body." Big laugh from her. Helps her to relax. Also, it reconfirms the purpose of this date in the first place. And I really do mean what I said as well. So when it begins to happen later in the evening, she is fully prepared and would not have come to "see my apartment" without having been forewarned.

[QUOTE=Catire;2236374]The comments here about the lateness of Brazilian or Colombian women seem acutely out of touch with and ignorant of Latino / Mexican / Central American / South American / Hispanic Caribbean culture...[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't feel I am out of touch and / or ignorant of the Latin culture. I have taken 20+ trips to Latin America (mostly Colombia, Brazil, and Mexico), some of those trips for work. I also speak decent Spanish and semi-decent Portuguese.

There is no excuse for being late. That is simply inconsiderate, because we often don't have much free time and we would rather be doing something else, than waiting for someone to show up. They don't consider their time important, but we do.

Last week, while snacking on some Dim Sum at the Michelin Star rated Tim Ho Won inside Terminal 21, I met this "lady on the streets but a freak between the sheets" girl, who sitting next to me. If you've ever eaten there, you know the tables are placed within inches of each other to accommodate as many guests as possible. At lunchtime, that place is packed with locals and tourists alike. Monkeypaw's recommendations are the vermicelli roll with shrimp and the spinach and shrimp dumplings, which are nom nom. Anyways, the girl's name was Nam, she's 23 years old, and works a couple of floors below at some beauty skin care clinic as a receptionist. From our quick conversation, I found out surprisingly, that Nam only gets a salary of about 30,000 baht per month at her full time job. For some reason, I thought it would be more, but I guess the clinicians make most of the money there. Now, I have this knack and a history of turning out your average non P4 P girl. I call it flipping a girl or showing her the light to be able to make some serious money with her pussy. Only the dumb girls fuck for free and even worse, only the dumber guys end up putting a ring on that. When these two dumb and dumber come together, I call that a marriage. I usually have this 6th sense when a girl in need "might" jump at the opportunity to make some extra cash on the side with her body. It's one of Monkeypaw's many gifts. Usually, girls who are pretty or have the potential to be pretty, independent, high maintenance, but with small or limited incomes are my target. I call these my UTRs or under the radar girls. They send their signals out to me and I get vibes from them needing some help. After lunch, I invited Nam for some dessert at the Haagen Daas next to her beauty clinic. I wanted to feel her out more, to see if she was willing. From what I can tell from my perception and abilities, Nam was a "GO. " Just for safe measures, I paid her a visit at her work in which I needed the" ice breaker" for all this to work out. I went there to get an allergy shot because my skin gets itchy sometimes when I get really hot. The sun is no good for my sensitive skin. When I went inside, I immediately saw Nam. She smiled and greeted me with some paperwork to fill out for my injection. After my shot from the clinician, I pretended to be interested in buying some skin care products like lotion and stuff, so I can talk to her. Nam was showing me a bunch of products, being all informative while looking all pretty, and doing her job very well. I ended up buying some skin whitening lotion priced 400 baht for this tiny ass 2 ounce bottle. Now this is the "ice breaker" I had previously mentioned. I handed her 1000 baht for the lotion. When she was about to give me back my change, I told her to keep the 600 baht as a tip. She laughed and said no tipping needed. I told her she should be rewarded for knowledge about the beauty products. I closed her hand around the money and told her "It's yours, when you are good to me, I good to you. " And then I walked out, looked back, and there was Nam smiling back at me. Ice breaker completed, bait taken. Later that night, I contacted her and we met in my room where I cooked her dinner. Afterwards, we spent the next hour or so fucking each other's brains out. Normally, I have a hard time cumming inside a condom while it's inside a girl's pussy. But with Nam, her pussy gripped so tight that this wasn't an issue at all. She kept telling me that my cock was same same farang. Something that I've heard many times before, but from Go Go bar girls and Thai hookers, never from a normal Thai girl. So I'm beginning to think Nam might be a little more knowing about P4 P or fucking foreigners than I previously gave her credit for. Perhaps this is a "reverse hustle" by her, God only knows. She is a bit shy about DATY, but is willing after some coaching and is loud. Her BBBJ skills are out of this world and I was able to lose my second load in her mouth. After we finished and showered up, I gave her the spill about how I can't have a girlfriend and my father takes care of everything, including my entertainment which is girls. This is the speech I give when I want to run off girls or let them know their place. I don't need them getting lovey dovey and attached to me. I'm not of this world, so it's pointless. She was little disappointed until I handed her 1500 baht plus 100 for her taxi. Then she was all smiley, cheerful, and gave me a kiss on her way out. Funny thing, her pricing is everywhere. The last guy, paid her only 1000 baht for the couple of hours that she sucked and fucked him in his room. He messaged me bragging about how much less he paid than I did. But then when I saw her one more time before I went off to Pattaya, she told me that he gave her a 800 baht tip for some skin cream at her work. I guess he followed my steps to the exact T. She told me it was odd seeing an older farang come in her beauty store and buy skin cream. She said most don't care about that stuff. But when he handed her the tip and asked for her phone number, she already knew the game and what's up. Smart girl, she learns quick and will be rich soon.

One of my favorites is headed back to Bangkok. She small, petite with perky tits and a cute face. Her BBBJ skills are one of the better ones. Don't pay anymore than 1500 for ST and she likes it when you cook for her. Enjoy. And friendly reminder from your neighborly Monkeypaw "sharing is caring."

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2236604]Sorry, I don't feel I am out of touch and / or ignorant of the Latin culture. I have taken 20+ trips to Latin America (mostly Colombia, Brazil, and Mexico), some of those trips for work. I also speak decent Spanish and semi-decent Portuguese.

There is no excuse for being late. That is simply inconsiderate, because we often don't have much free time and we would rather be doing something else, than waiting for someone to show up. They don't consider their time important, but we do.[/QUOTE]With all respect, you clearly are at least somewhat ignorant of the culture. How much time have you spent among "real people" in your traveling places?

This is a stereotype that a huge majority of Spanish speaking (and Brazilian) people in Latin America would laugh at and agree with.

It's also the case in southern Europe (Italy and Greece come to mind).

Punctuality is simply not "that" important.

Now, if you're talking a pure transactional situation, then a prostitute who has "German / Swiss / American / English" type clientele. She will adapt to her clientele.

But just a regular girl in her own cultural milieu, will simply not bother to think about your "punctuality issues" when she is in her own culture.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2236599]If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.[/QUOTE]In Tijuana I was often frustrated by late arrivals so I started a different way of making an appointment by phone. I would ask for a 1 hour session to begin at 3:30, but I would tell the scheduler I need to be finished by 5:00, so arrival after 4:00 will be cancelled. That has been effective in Tijuana so far.

Firstly some apologies: (1) this report does not contain detailed user instructions for social media applications; (2) there will no discussion of the merits or otherwise of various brands of instant (INSTANT!) Coffee, or of "world" cuisines; (3) this report will contain nothing of interest to the "Nose Pickers" (by which I mean those who post obsessively about shape of noses as a significant factor in choosing a partner). If this means that the following doesn't "meet your spec", then stop reading now.

Having recently been in Bangkok for a few weeks, but with play-time restricted by external factors (lots of time available but generally only an hour or two at a time) I undertook the arduous task of touring the various BJ bars around Sukhumvit purely in the interests of informing ISG, not for personal pleasure you understand. I don't claim to have much "new news", but if putting the info in one place helps even one person then it is worth it. I also don't claim to have covered all such venues in the area. Who do I send my expense claim to?

I've tended to use hotels to describe locations as these are on Google Maps.

Pricing info is for the deed drinks, lady drinks and tips I will not discuss because anything written on these subjects on ISG seems to instantly provoke howls of "spoiling the market!" or "Cheap Charlie!" or both at the same time, from different sections of the ISG community! Details of individual girls / ladies / operatives / call them what you will I'll write in another post. First venue will be quite detailed, others I will only point out the variations on the theme. I'll briefly highlight "Pros and Cons" for each venue, but of course YMMV and what I think of as plus points may be viewed as detrimental to other individuals.

Kasalong:

Alleyway between Soi 6 and Soi 8, opposite S6 Hotel. THB 800. Operatives sit outside wearing blue miniskirts, white blouses and blue ties which have their name on, and invite passers-by to "come inside", or is that cum inside?

The Bar is on ground floor (first floor for American readers), cubicles upstairs. Cubicles are about 3 x 2 meters, cubicle walls do not go to the ceiling but are high enough that only a giant (or a very determined pervert) can see over the top. Each cubicle has a 2 seat leather-look sofa, hooks for hanging trousers and pants (that's pants and shorts to any American readers) and a cushion for the operative to kneel on for the deed. In the past I have been offered "VIP", which I think is full service in a room with shower, but you don't select go to a fried chicken joint and then choose lamb-shank. You chose your venue because you wanted fried chicken!

Operative shows you to the cubicle and then goes to get her box of tricks (I've never worked out what other than mouthwash is in the box) and towels. On her return she will invite you to "take off" and then proceed to wash your chap and surrounding area at the sink. The water is cold, surprising cold for a tropical country. She dries you off and invites you to sit on a towel on the sofa while she gargles mouth-wash. My advice is to make sure she rinses well with water after the mouth-wash, as sometimes that minty heat on the chap can be slightly too much for comfort.

Some operatives strip to the waist without request. Most of them don't have that much in their bra other than padding (think two fried eggs on an ironing board) so I don't usually ask them to remove it, but on rare occasions where I have asked then they have done so without any problem, maybe just a shy comment of "very small" from the operative.

On completion the operative will spit into a towel, gargle with mouth-wash and then wash and dry your chap again, using a different towel from that she has just spat into. She then leaves to stow her box of tricks to the sound effects of more gargling and hawking-up if you've surprised her and some of your stuff has got further down her throat than she planned. Whilst she is gone you get dressed. Go downstairs and pay your tab. The operative will hang around near you in the hope of a tip. Up to you / mandatory / don't ever tip depending on which section of the ISG community you want to pander to and / or upset. And off you go to get on with your day or night.

Pros location means you can check the options on a "fly-past" if, say you are heading from Soi 4 to the BTS, avoiding the motorbike taxis using the footpath (sidewalk to Americans) to go the wrong way down the one way street of Soi 6 heading from Sukhumvit south. Cubicles have walls (see later). Water is used for cleaning your chap.

Cons the water is cold. The operatives will inevitably soak not just your chap and surrounding areas, but your legs and feet as well.

LOLI**S (as in the book by Vladimir Nabokov).

NB The name of this establishment is not a secret, it is just that ISG's software replaces the actual name with a Codeword# because of the subject matter of said book. THB 800. Location second sub-soi on the right heading south down Sukhumvit Soi 8 (7-eleven on the corner), or if coming from Sukhumvit Soi 6 continue past Kasalong, go through the alleyway next to the beauty salon and it is about 5 metres on your right. Operatives sit outside in pink tartan mini-skirts and white blouses.

Similar set-up to Kasalong, except upstairs is one large room with leather-look sofas and privacy is obtained by means of curtains drawn around your chosen sofa. DNA sampling of the old red cloth sofas would have kept a genetics researcher busy for many a long year!

Operative may enquire "Blow Job or Boom-Boom". I do not know if the latter is in a different room (chicken / lamb-shank analogy applies), but I suspect so as they always ask before selecting sofa.

Operative will bring a (?much used?) towel to sit on. Cleaning is by means of wet-wipes. They used to use those cold towels in sachets straight from the fridge, so this is an improvement to my mind. Operative will place a plastic bag on the floor between your feet for collection of used wet wipes and to spit out your deposit.

Pros. As with Kasalong the location allows a "fly-past" inspection of the operatives available. Indeed it is effectively a double fly-past because of the proximity of the two establishments. Use of wet wipes means no wet feet. Some may prefer the slight "edginess" of only a curtain for privacy.

Cons. Murphy's Law (vaguely what can go wrong, will go wrong) and the O'Reilly conjecture (Murphy was an optimist, I. E. It won't just go wrong, it will go wrong at the worst possible time) apply. If you choose an operative from the first of these two establishments, you are sure to see a preferable option in the second having only moments earlier spent your Baht and your load. If, however, you check the second one out before returning to the first, you'll get back just in time to see the object of your desires going inside with a Neanderthal in a Thai beer branded vest (singlet for American readers, certainly do I do not mean a guy in a jacket / blazer). There's a piece of Economics / Mathematics theoretical research which once completed should earn a Nobel Prize, but of course wouldn't. The clean-up with wet wipes may not pass muster if your significant other is likely to inspect it before you have the chance to wash your chap. Some will not like the use of only a curtain for privacy.

WOOD (formerly Dr BJ's).

Location Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, just before iCheck Inn Nana on the right as you head north (away from) Sukhumvit Road. My memory tells me the pricing is Regular THB 800, Executive THB 1100, but I was charged THB 1,000 for an operative who is listed as Executive on their web-site so either I am a "hansum man" or I'm going senile (the polls have closed on this one and the electorate have voted a landslide for senility). Operatives sit outside in "little black numbers" and dense black tights, almost leggings thickness, rather than stockings or bare legs. Maybe great for the pantyhose fetishists, but decidedly un-sexy for the up-skirt view as you walk up the stairs.

Wood styles itself as the only "Business Class" BJ Bar. I can genuinely say I can see why as it reminds me of flying in Business Class on a certain airline which had filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy post September 11th (that's 9/11 to American readers, 11/9 to most of the world). I see nothing at all "business class" about Wood. It is virtually identical in set-up to Kasalong, except it's an easy chair rather than a sofa. It was only on the third walk along Soi 7/1 (different days and times of day) that I saw an operative who would raise more than the briefest smile from me, and I'm not expecting drop-dead gorgeous 9's and 10's from these establishments. I've read the Pattaya forum and every Thai 9 or 10 is on Beach Road going for THB 500 for just one or two select ISG members (I'm joking, no need to rise to the bait).

Pros. If you are in an around Soi 7/1 it means you don't have to cross Sukhumvit Road. Washing is done with water rather than wet wipes.

Cons. Location means not really suitable for the discrete fly-past inspection of the operatives, although you could potentially carry on round and double back up the rather grotty Soi 9. Water is cold, socks will get wet. Premium pricing of "Executives" not warranted when compared to previously discussed establishments, but is justified in comparison to the "Regular" priced operatives. An esteemed member of the ISG community informs us that the north side of Sukhumvit is not as easy to walk along as the south side, but with the assistance of a team of Sherpas and oxygen bottles to handle the altitude I managed, just. The Sherpas and gas company would also like to know who to send the expense claim to.

LOLLIPOP (not to be confused with the mixed-gender go-go of the same name in Nana Plaza) Closed.

I had fond memories of this establishment from years ago. I say "had", because with the onset of handsomeness or senility (qv) I cannot recall for the life of me what it was like inside, I only recall seeing a bevy of operatives as I turned into the sub-soi and a chorus of "thank you, see you soon" as I was leaving. Anyhow, it is no more. The location on the first sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 10 (heading south from Sukhumvit turn left at the Paradiso Hotel and it is straight ahead of you) is now an establishment called Bar-O.

The new name implies it could still be a house of oral relief. The sign saying Bar and Guest House, together with the outside bar and pool table may indicate otherwise. I didn't investigate closely but I certainly didn't see any significant sign of numerous operatives, just a couple of guys playing pool. Not wanting to risk the wrath of the ISG community by clocking up expenses (who do I send the claim to?) on just pool and beer with no meaningful information on sexual encounters, I moved on. After all, who'd want a Bangkok forum littered with posts that are completely irrelevant to the subject matter of ISG? Nope, me neither.

SOM'S HAVEN. Closed.

The long established Som's, which used to be down a sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 14, is no more. The Haven is Dead, Long Live the Haven.

DUANGPORN's Haven.

It seems Som sold up and retired to a life of fulfilment with a big German Wurst. The new owner has moved the business round the corner to a little Soi off Ratchadaphisek Road opposite the City Point Hotel. It is still less than 5 minutes' walk from Asok BTS. I was only in this area a couple of times, both of which were mid-afternoon, and the operatives I saw were all unappealing, so I took my business elsewhere.

7-Heaven.

Location on first sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 33 as you walk north from Sukhumvit Road. 7-Heaven is on Google Maps, heading up Soi 33 it is on the sub-Soi roughly opposite Bangkok Lotus Sukhumvit Hotel. You can see the bright pink signage from Soi 33 itself.

The MO here is slightly different. The receptionist will show you the "available" operatives on an iPad (you can even do some advance research on their web-site). I put available in quotes, because my impression is that she shows you the girls that are on duty, and if your chosen operative is already with a customer you'll be asked to take a seat and help yourself to a soft drink (? Soda for American readers?) until she is actually available.

Price is THB 1,300 paid before service (cue loud groans of "never pay before" but that is how this establishment works. Accept it or go elsewhere). Their web-site says that if you finish within your first 5-10 minutes, then the operative will attempt a second completion either by hand or mouth (her choice). This seems to be more marketing-puff than a genuine offer as the operatives have in no time realised that the best strategy is to start slow to avoid having to do a double shift. So the undressing, customers strip naked not just trousers and pants (pants and shorts for you know who) off, and washing is all done at a leisurely pace, followed by a bit of cat bath etc. So that the main event doesn't start until about 10 minutes in.

Facilities are similar to Kasalong, with the exceptions of (1) the cubicles have a bed rather than a sofa / chair and (2) there is a water heater in the cubicle so no freezing your junk in the name of hygiene. Your socks won't get wet because your operative will have had you take them off to eat away some seconds to avoid the 10 minute rule, but your feet probably will.

A Big sign in reception says no sex. My operative stripped to the waist and didn't object to some moderate fondling of breasts and arse (ass to Americans) while the cat bath was going on. I didn't push things further. Once certain the 10 minute rule will not be applied (I am such a cynic, or is that realist?) she knelt between my legs for the main event, meaning any other activity was out of reach. However, sounds from another cubicle would indicate that either the other operative was receiving significant stimulation whether orally, digitally (no, with digits = fingers, not over some social media app) or my other means, or else the plot of Deep Throat was not complete bull and some females do only achieve orgasm through giving oral sex.

Afterwards a quick wash down, get dressed and out into the big bad world. I did note that unlike the other establishments there was no hanging around by the operative in the hope of a tip. Then again this may have been because before I was halfway toward the door on the way out, the receptionist was saying to one of the two gentlemen sat in reception "your girl ready now", leading to my conclusions as to the use of the reception area as a "holding pattern" for available (but not necessarily unoccupied) operatives.

Pros. Some may prefer a bed to a chair. Water is warm. Handy to know of the place as a fall-back if you don't find anything to your liking at the massage places around Phrom Phong. Can do some research of operatives on the net before visiting (although which ones will be on duty you cannot tell). Operatives generally younger (but not ridiculously / legally questionably so) than the other establishments.

Cons. I prefer the seated option. More expensive that equivalent establishments (but then this is J-Town). You may have to wait for your "available" girl to be truly available. Do you really want to see who was the previous guy to dump a load in the mouth of your new found lady-love?

That's enough for now (and probably quite a bit too much for some).

Regards,

GettingFedUp (a grumpy old man).