Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2521868]My head started to hurt after thinking about what you wrote haha. I don't have a medical background, so I can't provide any feedback. Guess I'll have to do some research on this. I don't fly out till February (3 months stay is up). I got time.[/QUOTE]RiceRocket99 is correct in that the CDC order permits either a negative PCR or a negative antigen test to enter US on an airplane. Both of these tests, when negative, show that you are not currently infected with the virus. The antigen test is far preferable to PCR test because it is faster (some places in US you get the results in 15 minutes) and cheaper. Zeos1 appears to be confusing antigen tests with antibody tests. Antibody test is a blood test that looks for antibodies in your system that fought off the virus. Having a positive antibody test is good because it means that your virus infection / Covid case is behind you and so it is unlikely (though not impossible) that you will get re-infected. Said differently, a positive antibody test means that you have some level of natural immunity to the virus. The CDC order will not allow you to enter the US via airplane on the basis of a positive antibody test. Likewise, the order will not allow you to enter the US via airplane just on the basis that you have already been vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2521844]So. My take on the option of antigen vs. Pcr test.

The antigen test is to prove that you either had Covid already, and have some immunity to it, or you had a vaccine, and you have immunity to it. So the result on that would have to be positive.

The PCR is to test whether you have Covid. So the result would have to be negative for you to get on your plane back to US.

So. The antigen test would not help you unless it proves that you are immune. In other words the PCR test is really the only option.

It is not simply that you can take either test and get on the plane. A negative antigen test would be totally useless.[/QUOTE]I had posted this previously. The CDC permits rapid testing or antigen. Antigen is the best test to take for purposes of getting on a plane to return home. It is on their website. If you're looking for a test that provides you more comfort then you should go with pcr. But, I only care about getting home so I will take the rapid test. Results in 15 to 45 minutes vs 3 to 5 days.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2521162]True that about budgets and planning, they have none, they get back to their family and friends and boyfriends and whatever they have it is gone.

You give them 2 mil and it is gone in 2 minutes.

You give 20 mil and its gone in 20 minutes.

You give 200 mil and it is gone in 2 hours.

You give 2,000,000 and it is gone in 2 days.

Bottom line no matter what they have it is gone quickly and 2 days later they are begging for pesos and willing to suck and fuck for 20 mil as they are hard up. But gawd we love these barrio paisa pussy.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Loved your examples, had not heard that one. Another way we say it, to a Colombiana money is like a gas, it occupies all the available space. I slipped my #2 Novia a 50, she goes to work for 12 hours, comes back, can't pay 2 mil for a cafe. I asked her, "What happened to the fifty I gave you yesterday?" "I spent it," she replies. "On what?" Inquiring minds want to know. "Cosas" (things). Jjajajajajaja. I tell her I never met a Colombiana who can save money, she readily agreed saying, "We're not like that. " I tried to get Novia #1 to make a budget for our apartment and she did not understand the concept.

Gratuitoius new pussy foto. Low mileage, very smooth pussy on the inside. Fucked for a few hours on and off before this pic so poor liittle pussy is more gapey and puffy. Yeah, she needs to shave, I don't care. All my other chicas have shaved twats, I don't mind going naturale on her to break up the pattern a bit. Flash never does any pussy a favor, starts to look like a foto from an anatomy book, but the room was dark.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2521858]Did you read the CDC announcement? I don't want to explain it wrong so I want to see your read on it.[/QUOTE]I did. The headline says it all. A PCR test, or proof of recovery. Proof of recovery is a positive antigen test. A negative antigen test is useless. It means you have never had Covid, says nothing about whether you have it at the time of test.

So what will work for everyone is a negative PCR test. Which means you don't currently have it. By all means get the other one if you know or think you have had Covid. But if it doesn't show that then you will need the PCR test for sure.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2521892]I did. The headline says it all. A PCR test, or proof of recovery. Proof of recovery is a positive antigen test. A negative antigen test is useless. It means you have never had Covid, says nothing about whether you have it at the time of test.

So what will work for everyone is a negative PCR test. Which means you don't currently have it. By all means get the other one if you know or think you have had Covid. But if it doesn't show that then you will need the PCR test for sure.[/QUOTE]Anyone interested, this is from CDC website.

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CDC does not recommend getting tested again in the three months after a positive viral test, as long as you do not have symptoms of COVID-19. If you have had a positive viral test in the past 3 months, and you have met the criteria to end isolation, you may travel instead with documentation of your positive viral test results and a letter from your healthcare provider or a public health official that states you have been cleared for travel. The positive test result and letter together are referred to as “documentation of recovery.”
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[QUOTE=Poster99;2521837]From [URL]medellinguru.com[/URL].

Nightly Curfew in Medellin and Antioquia from January 14 to 19.

Medellin and all of Antioquia will have strict nightly curfews starting on January 14 to 19 on the following days:

January 14 10 pm to 5 am.

January 15 10 pm to 5 am.

January 16 10 pm to 5 am.

January 17 10 pm to 5 am.

January 18 10 pm to 5 am.

January 19 10 pm to 5 am.

Also, Medellin and the other nine municipalities in the Aburr Valley will continue Pico why Cedula starting at midnight on January 15, which restricts shopping days based on the last digit of your ID. The Pico why Cedula restriction applies for going to grocery shops, malls, small tiendas, pharmacies and also includes banking and notary services.

If your ID ends with an even number (0, 2, 4, 6, 8) you can go out shopping on even days of the week. And if your ID ends with an odd number (1, 3, 5, 7, 9) you can go out on odd days of the week.[/QUOTE]Dam. You cannot even go to the mall unless it's your day.

In the last posts, I noted "antigen" tests were confused with "antibody" tests, for example but not only by Zeos1 ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2521844&viewfull=1#post2521844[/URL]).

Antigen tests seek specific proteins from the surface of the virus called "antigen". PCR tests seek the DNA. Antigen tests are intended to find if the virus is present, as PCR tests, but are less reliable than PCR.

What Zeos1 and other posters meant to mention is the test for antibodies, but he used the word "antigen". I don't want to be pedantic, but the difference is substantial.

[QUOTE=Conick2000;2521901]Dam. You cannot even go to the mall unless it's your day.[/QUOTE]The reason for the precautions is ICU occupancy, 85%. It is unlikely things will change until that number comes down. It seems to be increasing modestly.

My experience with pico y cedula as well as reports from others, is that enforcement is minimal. I have a cedula and passport, one ending with an odd number, the other even. I have no problem using either. When I use my passport, no one has paid attention since they're either not familiar with where the number is or they just don't care, probably the latter. Having said that, I avoid malls anyway due to covid. However, I go to one outdoor mall every morning for cafe and huevos.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2521892]I did. The headline says it all. A PCR test, or proof of recovery. Proof of recovery is a positive antigen test. A negative antigen test is useless. It means you have never had Covid, says nothing about whether you have it at the time of test.

So what will work for everyone is a negative PCR test. Which means you don't currently have it. By all means get the other one if you know or think you have had Covid. But if it doesn't show that then you will need the PCR test for sure.[/QUOTE]Zeos,

The CDC website:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html[/URL]

When you scroll down:

"What is a verifiable test result?

A verifiable test result must be in the form of written documentation (paper or electronic copy) of a laboratory test result. Testing must be performed using a viral test (NAAT or antigen), and negative results must be provided to the airline prior to boarding. The test result documentation must include information that identifies the person, a specimen collection date and the type of test. A negative test result must show test was done within the 3 days before the flight. A positive test result must show the test was done within the 3 months before the flight. ".

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but zeos saying "a negative antigen test is useless". Is incorrect.

The website clearly states you can show the "negative results of an antigen test" prior to boarding.

And I believe the antigen (rapid) test can be those fast tests that can show results in an hour, not the PCR that take a few days.

Ill be in MDE next month, looking for clarification. so far what I have concluded:
-negative PCR test 96 hours or less before entry to colombia
-Negative antigen (rapid) test 72 hours prior to entry into the United States

Zeos is confusing antigen with antibody. You need a negative antigen test.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2521917]Zeos,

The CDC website:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html[/URL]

When you scroll down:

"What is a verifiable test result?

A verifiable test result must be in the form of written documentation (paper or electronic copy) of a laboratory test result. Testing must be performed using a viral test (NAAT or antigen), and negative results must be provided to the airline prior to boarding. The test result documentation must include information that identifies the person, a specimen collection date and the type of test. A negative test result must show test was done within the 3 days before the flight. A positive test result must show the test was done within the 3 months before the flight. ".

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but zeos saying "a negative antigen test is useless". Is incorrect.

The website clearly states you can show the "negative results of an antigen test" prior to boarding.

And I believe the antigen (rapid) test can be those fast tests that can show results in an hour, not the PCR that take a few days.

Ill be in MDE next month, looking for clarification. so far what I have concluded:
-negative PCR test 96 hours or less before entry to colombia
-Negative antigen (rapid) test 72 hours prior to entry into the United States[/QUOTE]You and Black Page are correct. Zeos1 made a few incorrect statements.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2521892]I did. The headline says it all. A PCR test, or proof of recovery. Proof of recovery is a positive antigen test. A negative antigen test is useless. It means you have never had Covid, says nothing about whether you have it at the time of test.

So what will work for everyone is a negative PCR test. Which means you don't currently have it. By all means get the other one if you know or think you have had Covid. But if it doesn't show that then you will need the PCR test for sure.[/QUOTE]No, this is wrong.

An antigen test can be done in 15 minutes. If it is +, it means you are currently infected with Covid.

A PCR test takes hours typically at least 24 to get your result.

Both Colombia and the USA accept PCR tests. Colombia does not accept the antigen test. The USA does.

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"Make sure to be tested with a viral test (NAAT or antigen test) to determine if you are currently infected with COVID-19."

So if you are taking a trip from the USA to Colombia, you need to plan at a minimum of two days in advance to get the PCR test. With the antigen test to get back to the USA, you can go into an urgent care clinic in Colombia and get the results same day.

As for this part, "or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 to the airline before boarding the flight", this is to give people an out who have had the vaccine or have had a Covid infection previously and have formed antibodies to the virus. Unless you know for sure you have had Covid or got the vaccines weeks before, I do NOT recommend using this method.

If you have gotten the vaccine, I DO recommend this test because it has no time limit.

"CDC issued an Order requiring all air passengers arriving to the US from a foreign country to get tested no more than 3 days before their flight departs and to provide proof of the negative result OR documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 to the airline before boarding the flight."

So the smart thing to do is get the vaccine. Wait 4 to 6 weeks before going. Get a PCR test here and the antibody test here. Once you have a negative PCR test for Covid and a positive antibody test, you will have no problems getting into Colombia and leaving from there.

In fact, I suspect soon you will be able to go anywhere if you have a negative PCR and positive antibody test.

In short, here is what I recommend.

No vaccine: negative PCR test from USA to enter Colombia done within 96 hours of flight. Negative antigen test from Colombia to enter USA 72 hours before your flight.

Vaccine or known history of Covid infection: negative PCR test from USA to enter Colombia done within 96 hours of flight. For entrance to USA: positive antibody test and that can be done at any time. I recommend this being done in USA before leaving for Colombia.

Yes, it is confusing.

Antigen and PCR test show current infection.

Positive antibody test shows previous infection or vaccine was given.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2521933]You and Black Page are correct. Zeos1 made a few incorrect statements.[/QUOTE]Not to be too defensive here. I could be wrong for sure. But the statement that says the positive result for the antigen test must be within the previous 3 months. That makes no sense if it is just another test for active covid.

But for sure something is wrong with the statement on the site. Because these statements are not consistent.

"A verifiable test result must be in the form of written documentation (paper or electronic copy) of a laboratory test result. Testing must be performed using a viral test (NAAT or antigen), and negative results must be provided to the airline prior to boarding. The test result documentation must include information that identifies the person, a specimen collection date and the type of test. A negative test result must show test was done within the 3 days before the flight. A positive test result must show the test was done within the 3 months before the flight. ".

Anyway, in my mind needs more clarification. And yes, I did think that the antigen test was to test for antibodies. If that is not correct my apologies. I'll dig a bit deeper.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2521955]Not to be too defensive here. I could be wrong for sure. But the statement that says the positive result for the antigen test must be within the previous 3 months. That makes no sense if it is just another test for active covid.

But for sure something is wrong with the statement on the site. Because these statements are not consistent.

"A verifiable test result must be in the form of written documentation (paper or electronic copy) of a laboratory test result. Testing must be performed using a viral test (NAAT or antigen), and negative results must be provided to the airline prior to boarding. The test result documentation must include information that identifies the person, a specimen collection date and the type of test. A negative test result must show test was done within the 3 days before the flight. A positive test result must show the test was done within the 3 months before the flight. ".

Anyway, in my mind needs more clarification. And yes, I did think that the antigen test was to test for antibodies. If that is not correct my apologies. I'll dig a bit deeper.[/QUOTE]Correct, my apologies. PCR test and antigen tests are both for active Covid. The serological test is the one I was thinking of.

That's what I thought, thanks for the clarification!

[QUOTE=Tricksta;2521876]RiceRocket99 is correct in that the CDC order permits either a negative PCR or a negative antigen test to enter US on an airplane. Both of these tests, when negative, show that you are not currently infected with the virus. The antigen test is far preferable to PCR test because it is faster (some places in US you get the results in 15 minutes) and cheaper. Zeos1 appears to be confusing antigen tests with antibody tests. Antibody test is a blood test that looks for antibodies in your system that fought off the virus. Having a positive antibody test is good because it means that your virus infection / Covid case is behind you and so it is unlikely (though not impossible) that you will get re-infected. Said differently, a positive antibody test means that you have some level of natural immunity to the virus. The CDC order will not allow you to enter the US via airplane on the basis of a positive antibody test. Likewise, the order will not allow you to enter the US via airplane just on the basis that you have already been vaccinated.[/QUOTE]