Angeles City

Recently completed my first trip to AC, and want to thank the seniors for great advice. I can't offer any new observations, except to confirm what others have said here. I have no prior experience obviously to compare, and was only there a couple days. I connected with a lovely young lady via Tinder, so I didn't BF. I did go into a few different clubs on two nights. Lots of groups of Korean guys in packs of 2-5, as has been reported, and they do seem to pull the prime talent (cute young spinners). I was in the clubs later (after 10 pm), and wasn't overwhelmed with what I saw, but it was fun anyway. I got literally accosted by a group of ladies in Lollipop. Too much really, with one laying across me playing with herself trying to get me to pick her. To get rid of her and the others, I bought a normal-acting one a LD. It was clear I could have really used a wingman, especially for my first time in AC. Second night I went out with my tinder girl, so not picking up, but again, fun times. One question: I was pretty impressed by the choreographed stage dancers in XS. Really surprised how well rehearsed they were for a free act, and wonder how the owner can afford that. Must be like 15 dancers at a time, with two different dance crews. The dancers didn't come out to meet guests, however (at least as far as I could see), so I'm wondering if they are available. If I'd been alone, one of the dancers really struck my fancy and would've loved to meet her (if any onf you've been there, she's on the tall side, athletic looking, great dancer, and was the only one wearing shorts with white hand prints on both ass cheeks).

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2718092] One question: I was pretty impressed by the choreographed stage dancers in XS. Really surprised how well rehearsed they were for a free act, and wonder how the owner can afford that. Must be like 15 dancers at a time, with two different dance crews. The dancers didn't come out to meet guests, however (at least as far as I could see), so I'm wondering if they are available. If I'd been alone, one of the dancers really struck my fancy and would've loved to meet her (if any onf you've been there, she's on the tall side, athletic looking, great dancer, and was the only one wearing shorts with white hand prints on both ass cheeks).[/QUOTE]Ask and you shall receive as the Good Book says. The mamasan or one of the waitress hookers would have put you right. They nearly all have their price and a 15 strong herd for definite. For sure, don't judge the hooker by Ginger Rogers.

Also, going for the cream is often a mistake. Price premium and under performance but riding a hooker is like riding a bike. You have to fall off a few times before Cupid finds you.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2717260]Go ahead, turn your dumpy little city in the middle of nowhere into a 'wholesome' spot and witness it die.[/QUOTE]I was looking into this and Angles LGU revenue didn't drop any during the pandemic even with the closure of walking street. Foreigners just kind of think they prop up Angles but looking at the numbers mongers are so cheap that they may not bring in much income at all. I think normal tourists may bring in more revenue than mongers do. Angeles LGU "It generated some PHP1. 63 billion in revenue in 2019, PHP1. 60 billion in 2020, and PHP1. 52 billion in 2021. " Walking street closure didn't even really leave a mark on the revenues. Mongers always like to talk about what good they do for the economy and how things would collapse if they were to not prop up these destinations. I just don't think that to be the case. These safe havens are still tolerated, I am glad they are but they are not a significant source of income imo. Other south east Asian countries have rooted out their red light districts and there has not been a visible collapse of these destinations after their removal.

[URL]https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1177400[/URL]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2718129]I was looking into this and Angles LGU revenue didn't drop any during the pandemic even with the closure of walking street. Foreigners just kind of think they prop up Angles but looking at the numbers mongers are so cheap that they may not bring in much income at all. I think normal tourists may bring in more revenue than mongers do. Angeles LGU "It generated some PHP1. 63 billion in revenue in 2019, PHP1. 60 billion in 2020, and PHP1. 52 billion in 2021. " Walking street closure didn't even really leave a mark on the revenues. Mongers always like to talk about what good they do for the economy and how things would collapse if they were to not prop up these destinations. I just don't think that to be the case. These safe havens are still tolerated, I am glad they are but they are not a significant source of income imo. Other south east Asian countries have rooted out their red light districts and there has not been a visible collapse of these destinations after their removal.

[URL]https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1177400[/URL][/QUOTE]Because mongers pay with cash and establishments don't correctly report their income to avoid paying taxes and that makes if difficult to quantify how much did tourists spend.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2718129]Walking street closure didn't even really leave a mark on the revenues. Mongers always like to talk about what good they do for the economy and how things would collapse if they were to not prop up these destinations. I just don't think that to be the case.[/QUOTE]And they were so haughty as to believe chicks would be starving during the pandemic without them. Those chicks were definitely able to get their hands on food, because a lot of them blew up like the world trade. If they have not learned yet that their money is not needed, then they never will. 10 hookers out of 110 million people. You are not putting a dent in anything.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2718200]Because mongers pay with cash and establishments don't correctly report their income to avoid paying taxes and that makes if difficult to quantify how much did tourists spend.[/QUOTE]Even if it is true its not in Angeles best interest if they are not contributing to the LGU revenue. Since mongers are paying in cash if the people they are paying spend it within Angeles it would funnel back into local revenues I am sure they are also surprised that it doesn't show up and they receive very little benefit from hosting the red light district. The fact that this cash does not show up at all in the LGU revenues means they get very little value back from hosting walking street, so it becomes more of a liability at that point to the LGU which makes it expendable. If they could prove that the money does mostly go back into the immediate LGU it is worth their while to maintain their reputation of a city of ill repute otherwise if they shake off the negative connotation Angeles has as a red light district their proximity to Clark is a solid USP and is probably the main reason why they still do well even without walking street.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2718200]Because mongers pay with cash and establishments don't correctly report their income to avoid paying taxes and that makes if difficult to quantify how much did tourists spend.[/QUOTE]Is it possible no one reports the revenues in the bar business? Is it possible it is all under the table business? Is it possible all the police agencies do not report all the bribes and payments into the Vacation and Christmas funds?

I doubt the bg's report the bar fines and tips to the LGU?

I will ponder all this the next time I barfine a bg and especially when I am inside her and ready bust.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2718112]Ask and you shall receive as the Good Book says. The mamasan or one of the waitress hookers would have put you right. They nearly all have their price and a 15 strong herd for definite. For sure, don't judge the hooker by Ginger Rogers.

Also, going for the cream is often a mistake. Price premium and under performance but riding a hooker is like riding a bike. You have to fall off a few times before Cupid finds you.[/QUOTE]I feel like I've just been run through a vitamix with a healthy sampling of metaphors, and perhaps a dollop of wisdom. I shall drink up, or be drunken.

Exchange rates in AC today was US $1. 00 = P55.75.

Prime bank exchange rate is P56.47. I can only ever get that on my credit card without any foreign exchange charges.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719094]Exchange rates in AC today was US $1. 00 = P55.75.[/QUOTE]It looks like a spike and a bubble in the dollar I hope it holds until I get there so I can get a discount on everything but this run looks unsustainable. You guys are lucky if you are able to exchange money 55 and above that's great almost makes me want to change my ticket.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2719354]It looks like a spike and a bubble in the dollar I hope it holds until I get there so I can get a discount on everything but this run looks unsustainable. You guys are lucky if you are able to exchange money 55 and above that's great almost makes me want to change my ticket.[/QUOTE]Some "experts" are saying it will hit 60 if US Feds raise interest another 3/4% again in July.

55 is great for me. There are protesters in PH wanting wages to increase and prices to go down. I don't think they are economic majors! Dang near impossible for that to happen anywhere.

Last night my 20 yo hard body didn't show up on time at 9 pm. I really want her to spend the night. Matter of fact she was already 2 hours late when I decided to go shopping at fields. About an hour in the hunt at various bars I found the one that met my parameters for LT. I forgot the name of the bar but LT was 5 k. It was after midnight. Got back to the hotel around 12:30 and proceed to shower together. She had see cups and firm body. Said she had been in AC for 3 months from Leyte. Her story seemed to check out. Didn't matter.

Lots of foreplay before the main event. Her pussy was sopping wet. I just slid right in. All I can say was I had a great fuck with her. About 1:30 am then and we went to sleep.

About 3:30 am my MIA is calling to say she is coming over. I told her I had another girl in the room. She didn't care and said she was super horny! I didn't want to lose this 20 yo hard body either. Told her to come up to the room and I would deal with what ever.

Slight knock on the door and I let her in. The bg was deep asleep. 20 yo is so tight that she has to CG me to get it in. Hard body rides hard and is loud. Bg opens her eyes and is like wtf. Hard body still riding me talks to her in Tagalog and it seems everything is fine. Hard body cums loudly and then sucks me off with CIM. Doesn't want me to cip as she not on the pill.

We wash up and the 2 girls are talking to each other and getting along. An hour later I got wood and hard body encourages shy bg to fuck me. We fuck and bg cums and I tell hard body to CG me. She rides me and again cums loudly and then sucks me off again.

2 girls again converse in Tagalog and I fall asleep.

Welcome to AC.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719374]Some "experts" are saying it will hit 60 if US Feds raise interest another 3/4% again in July. 55 is great for me. There are protesters in PH wanting wages to increase and prices to go down. I don't think they are economic majors! Dang near impossible for that to happen anywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719379]We wash up and the 2 girls are talking to each other and getting along. An hour later I got wood and hard body encourages shy bg to fuck me. We fuck and bg cums and I tell hard body to CG me. She rides me and again cums loudly and then sucks me off again. 2 girls again converse in Tagalog and I fall asleep.

Welcome to AC.[/QUOTE]Exchange rates and 3-somes. Great story.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719379]....2 girls again converse in Tagalog and I fall asleep.

Welcome to AC.[/QUOTE]I remember when I first became an expat, I started work at one of the shit hole, tin pot countries that seem to pop up all over the developing world. Go home and no one would believe my stories of mass carnage and employees taking time off so that they could go and try to kill each other.

A few contracts later, I'm transferred to Asia, and I still can't tell my stories back home but for the opposite reasons. 😜.

Bob in suburbia has no idea.

Good to hear your having a great time. 👍.

G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719374]Some "experts" are saying it will hit 60 if US Feds raise interest another 3/4% again in July.

55 is great for me. There are protesters in PH wanting wages to increase and prices to go down. I don't think they are economic majors! Dang near impossible for that to happen anywhere.[/QUOTE]It's now about 56.3 but inflation is galloping along here too. I don't know what the official rate is, but consumer goods are getting ever more expensive.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2719379]About 3:30 am my MIA is calling to say she is coming over. I told her I had another girl in the room. She didn't care and said she was super horny! I didn't want to lose this 20 yo hard body either. Told her to come up to the room and I would deal with what ever.[/QUOTE]This certainly reflects your experience from many years in Ph and the ISG forum. Well done for taking it on and handling it well.

I'm thinking of the time that without prior notice (like your story) my No #1 girl knocked on my Airbnb room at 4 am only to find me in bed with a bg. Holy fuck I was hiding all the knives in the place and dealing with some shit that morning. Two days later I was screwing both of them again.

I do miss the special approach that Filipina have to sex.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2720077] Holy fuck I was hiding all the knives in the place and dealing with some shit that morning.[/QUOTE]ALL Filipinas are equipped with a shiv. They are called eyebrow shavers. Filipinas DO use these in self defense. They usually start out threating to slit their own throats but when you draw near they will try to cut you with it.

I always make sure the purse is in the other room but I did meet a psychopath DIA girl one time, she thought it would be fun to role play the time she cut her ex boyfriend with it holding it to my wrist. She whispered to me that "You'll be ok if you don't hurt me" I must admit that I was scared for a few seconds. But after she put it away and got naked I had forgotten. Thinking back on that day she could have cut my throat while I was sleeping. Sometimes the little head is not so smart.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2720162]ALL Filipinas are equipped with a shiv. They are called eyebrow shavers. Filipinas DO use these in self defense. They usually start out threating to slit their own throats but when you draw near they will try to cut you with it.

I always make sure the purse is in the other room but I did meet a psychopath DIA girl one time, she thought it would be fun to role play the time she cut her ex boyfriend with it holding it to my wrist. She whispered to me that "You'll be ok if you don't hurt me" I must admit that I was scared for a few seconds. But after she put it away and got naked I had forgotten. Thinking back on that day she could have cut my throat while I was sleeping. Sometimes the little head is not so smart.[/QUOTE]Most Filipinas are scared to death the old fat beer belly man is going to die in bed or in the room and they might be charged with murder!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2720193]Most Filipinas are scared to death the old fat beer belly man is going to die in bed or in the room and they might be charged with murder![/QUOTE]How do you know what I look like? I have actually almost kicked the bucket on more than one occasion overdosing on vitamin V and fainting during or after sex (my preferred way to check out), the girls were telling me not to take Viagra when I was there because a korean guy kicked the bucket. I don't think they would charge these girls with murder as most of these old men have some kind of underlying health problem.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2720263]How do you know what I look like? I have actually almost kicked the bucket on more than one occasion overdosing on vitamin V and fainting during or after sex (my preferred way to check out), the girls were telling me not to take Viagra when I was there because a korean guy kicked the bucket. I don't think they would charge these girls with murder as most of these old men have some kind of underlying health problem.[/QUOTE]"My father died while having sex with an 18 year old girl. He came and he went -- at the same time!" - Richard Pryor.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2720263]How do you know what I look like? I have actually almost kicked the bucket on more than one occasion overdosing on vitamin V and fainting during or after sex (my preferred way to check out), the girls were telling me not to take Viagra when I was there because a korean guy kicked the bucket.[/QUOTE]When Viagra first came out I went to the doctor to get a prescription. $10 copay for 30 day supply. He asked me if I knew the health risks associated with it. I was only 28 and married at the time and all I knew is that I wanted my dick to stay hard a long time, but I told him yes. That shit gave me a splitting headache for a couple of days. I tried lower doses and same thing. I decided to sell the rest of that shit to friends. Being dead with a hard dick serves me no purpose.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2720193]Most Filipinas are scared to death the old fat beer belly man is going to die in bed or in the room and they might be charged with murder![/QUOTE]More likely that you will die on top of her and she will suffocate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720311]Being dead with a hard dick serves me no purpose.[/QUOTE]One could make the converse argument.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720311]Being dead with a hard dick serves me no purpose.[/QUOTE]7-11 was selling straight up drugs in their rhino pills the FD put out a warning but when these first came out it was many years ago and I had a hard on for 3 days straight I had a college girl that ended up helping me with my erection. She told me to never take it again as we both had friction sores and our whole bodies were sore for weeks. I had a headache that lasted about a week as well.

[URL]https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-warns-consumers-avoid-rhino-male-enhancement-products-found-retailers-because-undeclared-and[/URL]

I usually get my ED pills in Bangkok but since I haven't been to Bangkok for so long I get them from a mail service in the US. I have heard of people dying from the pills they try to sell on walking street so I would NOT ingest that crap. Cialis seems to work best for me without the headaches. Age and time has just caught up with me. I think it would be possible for me to have normal sex with a girl that turns me on given that it happens at the right time. "Normal" sexual functions work fine. But trying to have sex with bar fines 2-3 pops 2-3 times a day is impossible for me personally to do without some help now days.

Things that give me a legit erection seem to have changed for me, I have been getting turned on more and more by MILFS that haven't had sex in a decade just something about the idea that they have given up on ever having sex again is a turn on for me. (some of the younger mama sans are starting to appeal more to me than the bar girls just because of the novelty i guess) The young hot girl that is new to sex doesn't do it for me any more there has to be some kind of twist to really turn me on. If i take the Ed pills he doesn't care what they look like 1-2 strokes and hes ready to go.

My last trip these healthy girls in their 20s all try to wrench my dick off and try to fold it in half, without some aid from these pills due to the pain these girls inflict I don't think i would be able to hold an erection.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720311]When Viagra first came out I went to the doctor to get a prescription. $10 copay for 30 day supply. He asked me if I knew the health risks associated with it. I was only 28 and married at the time and all I knew is that I wanted my dick to stay hard a long time, but I told him yes. That shit gave me a splitting headache for a couple of days. I tried lower doses and same thing. I decided to sell the rest of that shit to friends. Being dead with a hard dick serves me no purpose.[/QUOTE]It is very difficult to get the casket closed with a dead man with a Viagra induced hard dick. So I have heard.

I also heard they have invented a "viagra" pill for women. One major side effect was it gave them headaches!

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2720263]How do you know what I look like? I have actually almost kicked the bucket on more than one occasion overdosing on vitamin V and fainting during or after sex (my preferred way to check out), the girls were telling me not to take Viagra when I was there because a korean guy kicked the bucket. I don't think they would charge these girls with murder as most of these old men have some kind of underlying health problem.[/QUOTE]There have been cases where the deceased in the process of dying fell and hit his head resulting in the woman initially charged with murder. Could be wife's tales. Let's say I would not trust a police investigation in PH.

Latest video on walking street showed a giant vaccine drive. Looks like the mayor is doing us a favor and getting these girls vaccinated. A whole new wave of bar girls incoming.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2720450]One could make the converse argument.[/QUOTE]It's a no brainer.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2720505]Latest video on walking street showed a giant vaccine drive. Looks like the mayor is doing us a favor and getting these girls vaccinated. A whole new wave of bar girls incoming.[/QUOTE]Yes, I saw the girls lining-up along Walking Street on Youtube for the government's mystery-jab van. These shots will render many infertile, which is the true purpose. The Philippines has a long history of shooting-up its citizens for no good reason. In the 1920's, smallpox shots were killing tens of thousands annually and the US military government had trouble concealing the deaths. Mindanao Island refused the vaccines and reported hardly any cases.

In the 2010's, tetanus injections, targeted at women, were laced with HCG: a hormone which arrests pregnancies. In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. Great history, eh? Can you guess what the Covid shots will do? Also see my post under 'Safe Sex' about the consequences of shedding to the unvaccinated.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2721321]Yes, I saw the girls lining-up along Walking Street on Youtube for the government's mystery-jab van. These shots will render many infertile, which is the true purpose. The Philippines has a long history of shooting-up its citizens for no good reason. In the 1920's, smallpox shots were killing tens of thousands annually and the US military government had trouble concealing the deaths. Mindanao Island refused the vaccines and reported hardly any cases.

In the 2010's, tetanus injections, targeted at women, were laced with HCG: a hormone which arrests pregnancies. In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. Great history, eh? Can you guess what the Covid shots will do? Also see my post under 'Safe Sex' about the consequences of shedding to the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]Dude take of the tin foil hat and pull your ass out of the You Tube conspiracy theory rat hole. I am glad the average bar girl has more intelligence than you seem to possess and is taking the vaccine shots for their own health and protection as well as reducing spread in our playground.

Could not have said it better myself. Hopefully this guy remains unvaxxed and is doomed to stay in the good old US of A as long as many countries continue their policies of quarantining them if they aren't, or are denied access completely.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2721643]Could not have said it better myself. Hopefully this guy remains unvaxxed and is doomed to stay in the good old US of A as long as many countries continue their policies of quarantining them if they aren't, or are denied access completely.[/QUOTE]Part of the MAGA crowd and a real Trumpie!!

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2721321]Can you guess what the Covid shots will do? Also see my post under 'Safe Sex' about the consequences of shedding to the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]As long as they don't grow a penis and are allowed to work I will blissfully eschew any and all conspiracies because it means I get to continue my wonderful hobby.

The WORST covid side effect is / was that I wasn't able to have sex with pinays. I will endure an innumerable amount of injections if it means I get to continue my hobby.

Also wait does this mean philippinas won't be messaging me about my long lost demon spawn, this is a bad thing?

Good luck beating your meat to that Fauci fear porn, not my cup of tea.

This is simple math, Vaccine + booster = easy entry to the philippines = easy entry into pinays = key to eternal happiness (I really could give a shit about anything else tbh)

Exactly. More for the rest of us. Imagine every scientific panel from every country in the world. People who have dedicated their lives to science, said 'Yes we would like this vaccine for our people and our families'. But you, who got a see in high school biology, know better.

I think I read somewhere that a lot Trump supporters did not get college degrees. But that does not matter in science. A good sense of mistrust is not misplaced.

Look at Thalidomide babies. Look at Agent Orange. Look at the Tuskegee Study. Look at the Dengue vaccine in the Philippines.

If I see groups shying away or running away, I have learned to wonder why. Do they know something I don't know? In my experience, it has usually been yes. They knew something I didn't know.

Maybe I should be an Uvalde cop.

So far, I think most of the Western world was pretty reliable in their Covid vaccine side effects reports. The benefits of the vaccine out weigh the potential risks of catching Covid. As Covid spreads over time, that will change. Thanks to the anti vaccers, they will be a control group to be divided into subgroups of those who never got covid, those who recovered from Covid, and those who didn't recover from Covid.

It would be unethical to not offer everyone a Covid vaccine. But, if one chooses not to get one, then so be it. Let Darwin take a look at the results too.

I have learned not to pay any attention to the rubbish published here. AC is what you make of it, just like anywhere else and in life.

There was a Raid on Walkingstreet.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5c01QNpk4[/URL]

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722564]There was a Raid on Walkingstreet.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5c01QNpk4[/URL][/QUOTE]If you want a reason to go to AC watch the video. So many girls and that's just walking St.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722564]There was a Raid on Walkingstreet.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5c01QNpk4[/URL][/QUOTE]Heard was at two bars.

Club 123 and Baccara club.

For underage, nudity and lack of required documents I. E. ID and medical documents.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722564]There was a Raid on Walkingstreet.[/QUOTE]This doesn't seem like it was "walking street" as that was more like a click bait title for a video is more of a "baccara" thing they were kind of pushing the envelope by having the girls eat each other out in lesbian sex shows girls were walking around naked and it was a pretty "different" place to hang out. So they must have received a tip on baccara and these sex shows. The girls were saying that some of these girls were doing these shows for free. There used to be an usually large number of girls hanging out outside of the bar because of the chaos that went on inside the bar. Something odd was going on here. I can see why they got raided.

[QUOTE=BigKahuna;2722723]
Club 123
[/QUOTE]I can kind of a see the case for Club 123 as well it had a lot of weird type girls in that place had a weird vibe going on I knew a mama san in her 20's in that bar it was also "different". I didn't see any nude shows in that bar but the Korean handler was kind of a butthole in that one. He would throw korean snacks at them like they were a bunch of goats which I thought was odd. If they are going after this kind of bar I can see a few others that may get targeted.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2722725]I can kind of a see the case for Club 123 as well it had a lot of weird type girls in that place had a weird vibe going on I knew a mama san in her 20's in that bar it was also "different". I didn't see any nude shows in that bar but the Korean handler was kind of a butthole in that one. He would throw korean snacks at them like they were a bunch of goats which I thought was odd. If they are going after this kind of bar I can see a few others that may get targeted.[/QUOTE]Or maybe this is just the Beginning of more Raids, so that Walkingstreet finally can convert into the new "Red Street" free of Prostitution, like the Major anounced a few days ago.

Anyone have news about Hotel Amsterdam looks like it was put on the market and they are painting this iconic hotel white? I can still reserve a room but I always loved the suite at the top of this hotel will be a shame if this landmark is retired.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722727]Or maybe this is just the Beginning of more Raids, so that Walkingstreet finally can convert into the new "Red Street" free of Prostitution, like the Major anounced a few days ago.[/QUOTE]Are you new to walking street? They have had raids going on forever. This is not an unusual event in the video you still see the other bars doing business as usual. Raids are usually retaliatory set up by inside informants (bargirls / mama sans). The girls and mama sans usually just move on to other bars and get reabsorbed. Only worrying thing would be if they were arresting Johns. If they were to start arresting Johns this would be an earnest play to clean walking street.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2722796]Anyone have news about Hotel Amsterdam looks like it was put on the market and they are painting this iconic hotel white? I can still reserve a room but I always loved the suite at the top of this hotel will be a shame if this landmark is retired.[/QUOTE]I do have a reservation for August, so I emailed the hotel, and this is the reply:

"Thank you for your email.

Your reservation is confirmed and valid. The hotel is NOT yet sold.

Hotel Royal Amsterdam signage was not removed. We only removed the Vinyl Canopy Roofing in front of the hotel and changed it to Long span metal roofing.

We look forward to welcoming you again soon.

Regards,

Dina".

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722727]new "Red Street" free of Prostitution, like the Major anounced a few days ago.[/QUOTE]They seem to be up and running again. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2723152]
Your reservation is confirmed and valid. The hotel is NOT yet sold.
Hotel Royal Amsterdam signage was not removed. We only removed the Vinyl Canopy Roofing in front of the hotel and changed it to Long span metal roofing.
[/QUOTE]Please provide an update on the rooms when you stay there as a lot of them were undergoing some kind of renovation, the beds in this place are SO hard. The hot tub in the suite has no hot water, they may have fixed this. I complained to the management maybe a little to much when I was there, which I might regret a little as the negative feedback may have been a reason why they decided to sell. I do have many fond memories of this hotel and you can't beat its location. Gran central and now Amsterdam maybe being sold they are both places I really enjoyed.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2722564]There was a Raid on Walkingstreet.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5c01QNpk4[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm so glad I not pull the trigger yet, why in why, WTF! Everyone still have mask on for? I thought it was over, did I miss something? Long way to go!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2723488]I'm so glad I not pull the trigger yet, why in why, WTF! Everyone still have mask on for? I thought it was over, did I miss something? Long way to go![/QUOTE]I was there last week and face masks were required. There were some kind of police enforcing it at the entrances.

Postpone your trips at all costs.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2723752]I was there last week and face masks were required. There were some kind of police enforcing it at the entrances.

Postpone your trips at all costs.[/QUOTE]Too late for me, everything is booked, and paid for, also I can't wait any longer, 2 years was a long time.

Men used to go to the Walking Street for the sole purpose of fucking, now is full of aspiring Hollywood film makers, that have no shame, and no regard for others privacy, especially in a place like this.

I hope somebody starts punching them in the teeth, until then maybe for some the mask is a good thing, Zorro masks will be better.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2723752]I was there last week and face masks were required. There were some kind of police enforcing it at the entrances.

Postpone your trips at all costs.[/QUOTE]Nor sure if your being sarcastic or not, if I remember you had a good time? I'm glad you did, but who in the world still wants to worry at this point about still wearing a fking mask, when their so many other places to go? Sooo many! I would think you were joking about police on each end of walking street if I didn't see the video!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2724178]Too late for me, everything is booked, and paid for, also I can't wait any longer, 2 years was a long time.

Men used to go to the Walking Street for the sole purpose of fucking, now is full of aspiring Hollywood film makers, that have no shame, and no regard for others privacy, especially in a place like this.

I hope somebody starts punching them in the teeth, until then maybe for some the mask is a good thing, Zorro masks will be better.[/QUOTE]Could not agree with anything more than this. Vloggers are complete scumbags. Clickbait titles just to get views. I look forward to when some of these rodents start getting arrested. Actually that is insulting to rodents, they are above these jerk offs.

The mask thing is weird. Everyone wears one outside and nobody inside. Even the staff at Central Park didn't wear masks. I didn't wear one ever and nobody cared. There is still plenty of fun to be had. I will be back soon.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2723488]I'm so glad I not pull the trigger yet, why in why, WTF! Everyone still have mask on for? I thought it was over, did I miss something? Long way to go![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2724306]Nor sure if your being sarcastic or not, if I remember you had a good time? I'm glad you did, but who in the world still wants to worry at this point about still wearing a fking mask, when their so many other places to go? Sooo many! I would think you were joking about police on each end of walking street if I didn't see the video![/QUOTE]The night I went to Fields there was some kind of police at the entrance requiring masks. I did not have mine with me. "Fortunely" there was a lady selling masks for 50 pesos each. Instead of being outraged I paid 50 pesos on the spot and proceeded in. Didn't care if I was scammed or not. I was on a mission to be inside somebody warm and wet the next hour.

I went into a few crowded bars where the bg's were busy. I ended up in one bar that wasn't busy. Probably because the barfine was 5 k. I wasn't outraged with the 5 k BF. I barfined one girl as per a previous post. The night went great even with unexpected events.

I don't mind the rules of entry. Glad to be in PH and AC.

I respect those that will not come due to their principles.

Hey DG, I know you were there recently. Are you saying this mask thing is new from the last time you were there a few months ago? I still see plenty of people (mostly foreigners) maskless on walking street on YouTube.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2724558]The night I went to Fields there was some kind of police at the entrance requiring masks. I did not have mine with me. "Fortunely" there was a lady selling masks for 50 pesos each. Instead of being outraged I paid 50 pesos on the spot and proceeded in. Didn't care if I was scammed or not. I was on a mission to be inside somebody warm and wet the next hour.

I went into a few crowded bars where the bg's were busy. I ended up in one bar that wasn't busy. Probably because the barfine was 5 k. I wasn't outraged with the 5 k BF. I barfined one girl as per a previous post. The night went great even with unexpected events.

I don't mind the rules of entry. Glad to be in PH and AC.

I respect those that will not come due to their principles.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2724571]Hey DG, I know you were there recently. Are you saying this mask thing is new from the last time you were there a few months ago? I still see plenty of people (mostly foreigners) maskless on walking street on YouTube.[/QUOTE]It was new to me. It wasn't really policed walking down the street or in the bars.

It could have been a one time thing. It could have been a fake police set up for all I know. I didn't question it.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2724178]Men used to go to the Walking Street for the sole purpose of fucking, now is full of aspiring Hollywood film makers, that have no shame, and no regard for others privacy, especially in a place like this.

I hope somebody starts punching them in the teeth, until then maybe for some the mask is a good thing, Zorro masks will be better.[/QUOTE]I am sure I have been caught by the cam guys on the streets because they are ubiquitous. The worse was when I was inside and had one hand up and under a gyrating spinner's t-shirt and the other hand deep inside the front of her shorts. A flash behind me caught my attention. I turned around and there was 4 dweebs with their phones on and lights on video taping me. I wished I wore a mask.

Guys should film their own exploits.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2724420]The mask thing is weird. Everyone wears one outside and nobody inside. Even the staff at Central Park didn't wear masks. I didn't wear one ever and nobody cared. There is still plenty of fun to be had. I will be back soon.[/QUOTE]Masks are meeting worldwide resistance. It has become a macho thing. Right Pilgrim? Which means both heads are not doing the thinking. As with all communicable diseases, there is a social responsibility not to spread communicable diseases. Guy with aids got arrested for deliberately having unprotected sex with girls.

In Singapore, a monkeypox guy tried to skip town. Luckily I am not in that high risk group.

If you come to the PI to experience local varieties of the female type, masks and PPEs are pretty contrary to your mission goals. Luckily the big head will know if you won the Covid Russian roulette game within a week or two, on average. Same with monkey pox. Luckily my generation all got jabs for least one of those.

It is a hard choice. But when you are in the PI with a little wiggly spinner on your lap, you will definitely be eager to rip off more than your mask.

Carpe diem. LIfe is short. And may be shorter. But what a way to go in style.

Landed in NAIA T3. Walked over to bay 14 for Genesis Bus to AC. It was 4:55 pm, just in time for the 5:00 pm bus. This time it didn't leave promptly at 5:00. It left at 5:15 after adding 7-8 more passengers. Still the bus was only half full, leaving everyone a vacant seat next to them.

75 minutes later after weaving thru unfamiliar Manila streets it was at the NLEX entrance. 75 minutes later we were at SM Clark. 2 and 1/2 hours total. The max speed the bus ever went was 65 kph even when it could have gone faster on NLEX. I guess orders came down to go slower due to higher fuel prices is the only thing I can think of. I am used to the buses going like a bat out of hell on NLEX!

Private car would have gotten me there in 2 hours via the new skyway but 3 k more. The bus seat is more comfortable.

Checked in to hotel and had dinner. I was inside one of my fav warm and wet by 9:30.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2724997]Genesis Bus to AC. ...
... Checked in to hotel and had dinner. I was inside one of my fav warm and wet by 9:30. ...[/QUOTE]See any change in prices compared to the last trip? I will be there soon, have to admit I am jealous, have fun!

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2725030]See any change in prices compared to the last trip? I will be there soon, have to admit I am jealous, have fun![/QUOTE]Bus was P380. Maybe P400. This one did not have the bathroom on board. Bus with CR is extra 40-50 pesos more.

Btw, at SM Clark Mall I took a trike to the hotel for P150. If you see any Blue Taxis then grab one of those. I didn’t feel like waiting for one.

I did not not go out to any bars last night so no idea if barfines are the same or not. I suppose they are the same.

I was referred to a bar girl by an old bar girl friend. I texted her this morning and she came over before her shift to satisfy me twice. She was a sensual one so I had to do her twice! Our deal was 2 k for st. I paid her 3 k plus gave the old friend 1 k.

Everyone was happy!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2725056] If you see any Blue Taxis then grab one of those.![/QUOTE]Blue taxis always try to rip me off multiples higher than grab far from a fair price they don't budge on price either from what I have experienced they are 100% a rip off.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2725080]Blue taxis always try to rip me off multiples higher than grab far from a fair price they don't budge on price either from what I have experienced they are 100% a rip off.[/QUOTE]Over the years I must have used Blue Taxis over 30 times and have never been ripped off. They always used the meter and at all times were cheaper than trikes. Most trips did not add up to 100 pesos and just paid 100 pesos.

Taxis around the world are more expensive than Grab, Lyft or Uber. Taxis have to pay for a license and other taxes plus expensive insurance. These ride companies skirt around these costs is why they are in business and lower ride costs.

Yesterday, Saturday I was at SM Clark Mall looking for transport to ABC Hotel. The trikes charge 150. I waited for a Blue Taxi drop off and a few minutes later one arrived. I got in and told him ABC po. He replied 100 pesos sir? I said that was ok. By meter it would have been 60 pesos. I guess some would say I got ripped off. Normally I would have paid 100 anyway.

I don't consider it a rip off. It was during peak hours on Saturday.

6:30 pm, Saturday night I went shopping at Fields. Didn't see any police at the entrance but saw a couple of face mask vendors. Most people had masks on walking along Fields.

A waitress I know told me to come to her bar early at 6:30 for good selections. She recommended a bg for me to barfine. It was a little early and I wanted to visit a few other bars. 123 bar was back opened. Nice small bar with a good line up. It wasn't very busy at all compared to the other bars. I guess people were staying away from 123.

Back to the original bar and I barfined the recommended friend. 4 k was the BF. She was 22 yo. After the joint shower she weigh herself. Frickin 74 pounds! 4' 9"! 5' 2" in heels. I had to be gentle in missionary with her. After 5 minutes she wanted top or as some say, I want to drive! I couldn't believe how tight she was on top. I couldn't hold off any longer after 3 minutes. Took her to get dinner and back to the room. After some little objections we did round two. She was pretty sore and wanted a quick one so she climbed on top. Again I couldn't hold off very long.

We talked a bit and I released her. The waitress was coming over at 2 am. I had to get some sleep in as she is a multiple cummer.

Btw, Fields is pretty much up and running.

Sunday. For over a week I have been ghosted by the 20 yo hard body. Not replying to any messages of mine. Just as I was making plans she replied. She needs transport money to go to Manila to see her sick mother. Glad to help. Come on down sweetie!

Had another great session with her. She arrived at 3:00 and left at 4:30. I am satisfied with her. I can move on to some newbies.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2726125]Sunday. For over a week I have been ghosted by the 20 yo hard body. Not replying to any messages of mine. Just as I was making plans she replied. She needs transport money to go to Manila to see her sick mother. Glad to help. Come on down sweetie!

Had another great session with her. She arrived at 3:00 and left at 4:30. I am satisfied with her. I can move on to some newbies.[/QUOTE]One of the joys of being in town for more than a minute. Your previous girls who live in the area. Their emergencies might be frequent or infrequent. But there is always another coming around the corner. Just wait.

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2718587]I feel like I've just been run through a vitamix with a healthy sampling of metaphors, and perhaps a dollop of wisdom. I shall drink up, or be drunken.[/QUOTE]As PM said, ask first before investing in a night's lady drinks only to be disappointed. Some will go, some won't.

Unfortunately, he is correct that price (dancers often have higher expectations) and looks don't always equate to better service. I've found that dancers especially are polarised: either unbelievable entitled and pointless or great, fun girls. Many are not the most emotionally stable girls around so this can exaggerate a good / bad night.

Note that many may have work restrictions and not be able to leave before a certain time.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2726125]Sunday. For over a week I have been ghosted by the 20 yo hard body. Not replying to any messages of mine. Just as I was making plans she replied. She needs transport money to go to Manila to see her sick mother. Glad to help. Come on down sweetie!

Had another great session with her. She arrived at 3:00 and left at 4:30. I am satisfied with her. I can move on to some newbies.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it. It's standard practice: you were just outbid for a couple of days.

I've long proclaimed the benefits of being a side dick. Let the whales, weekend millionaires and sponsors come and shower her with phones, rent and cash. When they leave, she will call to drop around for crumbs and free Aircon.

Enjoy. G.

Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2726949]Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Could you specify what the price in manila is for? Freelancers or actual bar fines?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2726949]Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]And? What does this price check mean? What are the comparisons?

I like the easy one stop shopping of AC BF.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2726949]Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]It seems that every few weeks in Angeles city prices are going up.

Last weeks barhop, well below average 30 somethings who had eaten too many burgers and fries over the last few years were happily quoting 4 k short time.

One such little princess thought that her average looks and large rear could command 5 k short time with a guaranteed leaving gift of 1 k regardless of performance.

Noticed more cherry girls about and definitely much more drinks only girls, especially among the very few that were ok looking and slim.

Although the hotels that are open (some are not) are very quiet it seems that their business strategy seems to be when quiet double the room rates to make up the short fall, crazy really.

Normally have my driver at hand but last week he had flu so I asked a trike for the price of a 100 m trip and he would not budge from 150 pesos, walked instead.

Some on this board would have us believe that Angeles is cheap, I would say that Angeles is very expensive when one considers what a shit hole the area is and the low quality of many of the girls.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2727176]And? What does this price check mean? What are the comparisons?

I like the easy one stop shopping of AC BF.[/QUOTE]I think you will find that many south east mongering destinations also provide one stop shopping with far better infrastructure, safer surroundings and far slimmer girls at very similar if not cheaper prices.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2726949]Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Prices are generally around 2000 for dating site girls. Usually it is for LT. Sometimes if they are local better to meet outside of your hotel and check them out. Their pictures are fake sometimes. There are plenty of dating site girls in Angeles. I guess better than paying 4000 to 5000 barfine. Other option is having in call massage girls. All of them generally charge 1500 one time plus the charge for massage which goes to the business.

Malls are not a easy place to meet girls. If there are they are usually well seasoned. Regular girls keep to themselves.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2726949]Noticed BF of 4 k plus is being paid plus heavy tipping in AC. In Manila, outside of tourist areas, 1 k is standard sometimes even 500 P. Very easy to bargain. 2 hours standard. Quality about same as AC. Best safe areas are local malls. Most are part-time rather than professional, students, in poorly paid jobs with rental expense to cover etc.

AC trikes same story, about 5 X Manila prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2727292]It seems that every few weeks in Angeles city prices are going up. SNIP

Some on this board would have us believe that Angeles is cheap, I would say that Angeles is very expensive when one considers what a shit hole the area is and the low quality of many of the girls.[/QUOTE]On occasion NS and I agree. FPiston's contribution seems to be more about the NCR than AC, and I agree with it. AC continues to appear to be a bubble of higher prices.

There seems to be a trade-off between AC and everywhere else. For everywhere else: lower prices, and more regulation. For AC, higher prices and less regulation. AC continues to be my direction for arriving 2-3-week warriors. Don't even spend the night in Manila, just catch the bus or private car to AC and have a blast. If money is a concern, barfine less and FL more. Get drunk, get your salad tossed, go home with happy (or hazy) memories. See you again in December.

I found a place that does Jelipsum massage.

Kakao Massage.

736 Don Meliton.

Korea Town.

Angeles City.

It is 2 blocks on the other side of Friendship Road. Other side of intersection from Jollibee. 2 story bright Yellow building.

P1500 cost.

10 minutes sauna.

60 minute massage.

10 Jelipsum.

10 minutes body scrub / shower.

Massage in private air con room with shower.

Lets not debate the price or value.
For informational only.
You either like it or not.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2728353]I found a place that does Jelipsum massage.

Kakao Massage.

736 Don Meliton.

Korea Town.

Angeles City.

It is 2 blocks on the other side of Friendship Road. Other side of intersection from Jollibee. 2 story bright Yellow building.

P1500 cost.

10 minutes sauna.

60 minute massage.

10 Jelipsum.

10 minutes body scrub / shower.

Massage in private air con room with shower.

Lets not debate the price or value.
For informational only.
You either like it or not.[/QUOTE]Pardon my ignorance, I even googled, but I couldn't find it: what is "Jelipsum massage"?

Did a 6 day trip last month. Stayed at central park, great location as you all know.

Did a day walk down walking street and it was dead nothing going on. There were some little bars around central park streets with girls hanging around not that good looking asking to come in for drinks and BJs.

Night time it was a bit better. Actual street pretty dead, inside the bar there is plenty of girls of all flavors and sizes, there were some hotties. Popped int 123 and found this super tiny girl with HUGE tits talked for a while and I was going to bar fine but it was shark week for her. We traded numbers and left. Pirates was gull of girl, found this super cute tiny girl "barbie" prob a solid 8+ bought her a couple drinks and we left together BF 3500, shy was a bit shy at first but she gave really good head and shows she likes to fuck.

Next day I wanted to get a good massage to I went to Reign Massage, they are really good It is not a happy ending place if you must know, right next door I found this mexican tacos place Tacos Amigo, WOW! They specialize in slow cooked pulled beef tacos, they were amazing.

Later that night decided to check out the smaller bars. And walked into chocolate bar. Much smaller bar than walking street more quiet for sure. But they had some real hotties. Ended up talking to this girl Cathy, super funny decent english and likes to laugh and had good attitude. BF 3500, we were hungry grabbed a bite to eat. She like tequila and gets her super horny. Once in the room she became super passionate and a great lay. I repeated with her again the next day. Definitely a highlight of the trip.

Some bars I got told they open at 11 but I didn't see anything in walking street in the am.

Other days were meh nothing to crazy couple dead fish that I won't bather you with.

There si definitely lots of girls in the bars, but it is more expensive than before across the board.

Lowest BF I found was 3000 plus tip.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2728381]Pardon my ignorance, I even googled, but I couldn't find it: what is "Jelipsum massage"?[/QUOTE]Balls and exterior prostate massage and hand job finish if you like. Koreans generally don't like a finish as Jelipsum prepares them for a better fuck.

I have found it prepares me for a better fuck later.

My brotha I have been looking for a place like this. But are you saying the handywork only goes for 10 minutes? I'm looking for a place ideally that does a long edging session.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2728353]I found a place that does Jelipsum massage.

Kakao Massage.

736 Don Meliton.

Korea Town.

Angeles City.

It is 2 blocks on the other side of Friendship Road. Other side of intersection from Jollibee. 2 story bright Yellow building.

P1500 cost.

10 minutes sauna.

60 minute massage.

10 Jelipsum.

10 minutes body scrub / shower.

Massage in private air con room with shower.

Lets not debate the price or value.
For informational only.
You either like it or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2728578]My brotha I have been looking for a place like this. But are you saying the handywork only goes for 10 minutes? I'm looking for a place ideally that does a long edging session.[/QUOTE]I am sure you can request a shorter massage time and longer jelipsum time.

My last night here. As usual I end my stay with proven performers. For me there is nothing worst than to leave with a couple new BF duds.

As I get older the recovery time takes longer. The first one performed very well just as expected. That was at noon. My second girl arrived at 3:00 and did an outstanding job. My third girl could not make it for my last minute call.

I was lusting for the second girl again and called her. She was cooking dinner for her kid and would get to my hotel around 8:00. She arrived on time. I wasn't sure if I could rise for the moment. Good thing I had taught her a little about how to do a Jelipsum massage. She slowly performed the Jelipsum and then a BJ. During the BJ she cups and massages my balls. That was the trick!

I rose to the occasion for the final good bye.

The new CRK terminal is nice and spacious. Looks like the same design as Cebu new terminal.

Quite new as few restaurants are there. IMO a little design flaw in the carpeted floors in checkin and other areas. Apparently the designer never rolled their luggage on carpet to checkin! Looks nice but another beautiful design over function!

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2727298]I think you will find that many south east mongering destinations also provide one stop shopping with far better infrastructure, safer surroundings and far slimmer girls at very similar if not cheaper prices.[/QUOTE]Well said. Jakarta, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Pattaya offer much the same, with variations in environment. The English-speaking 'advantage' of Filipinas is a bit of a delusion.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2730348]Well said. Jakarta, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Pattaya offer much the same, with variations in environment. The English-speaking 'advantage' of Filipinas is a bit of a delusion.[/QUOTE]As regulars know, this is what I have been saying for a while. My view is that AC has deteriorated over the years. It used to be terrific but sadly no more. I suspect one prime reason is over paying tourists who dream being Mr. Big. As businesses say, charge what the market will bear. But this is not just about costs but also poor quality and bad attitudes. The town is also quite run down.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2711122]Yesterday was a strange day but cleared my mind on a number of things including that it's time for me to move on.

My first attempt was with a freelancer on [B]PinaLove[/B] late afternoon that I messaged to come over. Her profile said she was 18, small spinner-her photos looked ok but a little bit unclear. We agreed on 2000 and she said I could do anything I wanted. She was at my hotel in about an hour, but there was trouble at the desk. Her ID and vaccine card did not match, and then she tried to bring up another vaccine card on her phone and my concierge lady quizzed her about the info on it and she gave the wrong answers regarding birthday, etc. I was just sitting on a couch in the lobby the whole time watching this whole thing go down. The girl's body looked OK from a distance, but her mask was on and I asked her to pull it down. Ouch. Face did not look good at all- sort of matched the profile but that's some serious angles and doctoring. A closer examination of the body revealed post baby saggy tits and other baby damage. Was providence stepping in to help me out? The end result was yes as my concierge ultimately was having none of this and sent the fugly girl on her way despondent. She sent me a few begging desperate messages a few minutes later saying we could go to a short time hotel and I could take her "anal virgin" along with an unpalatable photo of her naked body. I just politely declined and waited it out until she left the area. Phew, dodged a bullet.

Later in the night I decided to crawl around the GoGo Bars with the option if not intent of taking a lady. I saw a more diverse mongering crowd than the weekend crowd, but again the talent was not there. I had drinks with about 5 ladies, and all but one expressed they would be open to short time from 3500-4000 pesos, but the important detail is that except for one they didn't seem excited or eager about the possibility of it. I'm not going to take a girl who's not DTF and is going to perform poorly. By the time I got to the last girl who was excited, grabbing my dick, etc- my money was depleted- so the night amounted to nothing but a bunch of expensive drinks and boring conversations with a handful of girls. They were bangable but not for 3500 pesos. I have to be honest, the whole process here is a drag and it was at this point I decided that Angeles is just not working for me. Let me say one time I'm not a bad looking dude- very fit in my mid forties- the issue is not that I'm a total revolting slob. Aside from the fact that Asian women generally aren't into bearded men, there is nothing that should give these girls hesitation about going with me for boom boom. I got plenty of pussy in Pattaya and girls there were happy to take my business.[/QUOTE]One can still get BBFS and CIP in the Philippines.

What destination do you think is best for BBFS CIP?

[QUOTE=Mark585;2730870]One can still get BBFS and CIP in the Philippines.

What destination do you think is best for BBFS CIP?[/QUOTE]Well its available almost everywhere but in Philippines due the influence of the Catholic Church, BBFS is the default. The girls don't carry condoms and many non hookers have never even seen one. You can get it in Thailand and Indonesia as well bit it can be hit or miss. There are many clubs in Germany where it is the standard offering as well. But most anywhere if you have a regular thing with a girl it will almost always go to BBFS.

Had a great time in my 4 days at Orchid Inn and 2 days at Treasure Island in Subic. Regarding the former I saw my main squeeze from Vikings who is pretty, slim and stacked but now wants 4 K even on her day off. Plus she doesn't like me to take pics or vids. Bummer. Still a good fuck, tho. So, I only saw her once and replaced her with another 22 year old little cutie with nice tits and small frame who I saw three times because her blow job skills are top notch plus she swallows and likes being filmed. 1500 short time plus 300 p tip and she was a happy little hooker. Works for a hole-in-the-wall bar across from Margarita Station near Orchid Inn. I will definitely see her every time I return to AC. Regarding the latter, Subic, my other main squeeze was a no-show so I got a referral from a trike driver for a 26 year old with ok tits, ok body and pretty face who spent the night for 5 K. Yikes - plus 2 k for her girlfriend and they took turns on me. They were fine. Didn't really do the bar scene too much in either location. But I'm sure the girls of Voodoo in Subic will blow you in the back for 3 k if you want. Any questions PM me. DG, wish I would of had a beer with you if our schedules coincided. Next time, buddy. Oh also had a layover in Cebu and always visit Tenderbody Massage across from Appleton Hotel in Mactan which is an inexpensive ok place to stay. Tenderbody does not do anything sexual but if you just want a great massage with no happy ending ask for Rozelle. She will give you an amazing 90 minute massage for 450 p. Cheers.

Post Covid.

They suck.

No robes, no room slippers, no personal hygiene amenities and Luke warm water for shower.

Stay away from this place.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2727313]
Malls are not a easy place to meet girls. If there are they are usually well seasoned. Regular girls keep to themselves.[/QUOTE]Malls in Manila, Makati & Cebu I have had success. I personally have never had luck in SM Clark.

I have met one girl who was onnher lunch break sitting and having her packed lunch at the food court in SM Clark. We agreed to meet in the evening after her shift. But I was never hunting in the malls. Sometimes it just happens. And she was a great lay. She was approached by several bars for work but didn't want to get into that even though the pay was almost 50% more. She was working in the shoe store. I treated her to shopping at ayala next morning. She didn't want to let go of me. Got her groceries as she was adamant she will not take money. Even when I tried to stuff 3 k into her bag. She would return it to me. I ended up treating her about 5-6 k worth of shopping.

Sometimes you do hit a diamond in the malls. But never go looking for them.

Enjoy.

G.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2732951]Malls in Manila, Makati & Cebu I have had success. I personally have never had luck in SM Clark.[/QUOTE]

How do you pick up girls at the mall? Do you wait to make eye contact with a girl you like and go up and start talking? I want to try this when I arrive in the Philippines because I would love to meet a non pro. Do you wait till she gives you a second look or smirk / smile?

[QUOTE=Olodo;2733050]How do you pick up girls at the mall? Do you wait to make eye contact with a girl you like and go up and start talking? I want to try this when I arrive in the Philippines because I would love to meet a non pro. Do you wait till she gives you a second look or smirk / smile?[/QUOTE]Unless you are particularly handsome and are able to elicit women hitting on you and have a preexisting pick up skill set I say its a hard pass they just passed Republic Act No. 11313, its called the Bawal Bastos Act and it was made to prohibit this very thing. Since your questions are very rudimentary stick to the bars and bar fines imo.

[URL]https://pcw.gov.ph/republic-act-no-11313-safe-spaces-act-bawal-bastos-law/[/URL]#text=The%20 first%20 law%20 to%20 penalize, offender%20 and%20 the%20 offended%20 party.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2734931]Unless you are particularly handsome and are able to elicit women hitting on you and have a preexisting pick up skill set I say its a hard pass they just passed Republic Act No. 11313, its called the Bawal Bastos Act and it was made to prohibit this very thing. Since your questions are very rudimentary stick to the bars and bar fines imo.

[URL]https://pcw.gov.ph/republic-act-no-11313-safe-spaces-act-bawal-bastos-law/[/URL]#text=The%20 first%20 law%20 to%20 penalize, offender%20 and%20 the%20 offended%20 party.[/QUOTE]

I tried it in manila with success. I carry a small paper written my phone number and name on it and I give it to girls I do it politely with a smile. Another way, I just ask a location of nearest Starbucks and then I offer her to go together. It is very easy to pick up girls in malls. In my experience, you don't need to be a young brad Pitt. I'm 40 , and 130 kg big guy. It works for me. I don't say I can pick up anyone I like, but if I try it with 10 girls, it works with 3-4 of them.

[QUOTE=Mark585;2730870]One can still get BBFS and CIP in the Philippines.

What destination do you think is best for BBFS CIP?[/QUOTE]PH is the best destination for GFE, BBFS and CIP. I lived in Thailand 4 years and my experience is very bad. But PH really works for me. I'm in PH for 3 months, I rarely barfine and mostly go with online semipros or freebies. In Thailand you have to confirm everything before going home but in PH I never talked sex upfront. BBFS is norm here. Mostly will do CIM and swallow. DFK also norm.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2730348]Well said. Jakarta, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Pattaya offer much the same, with variations in environment. The English-speaking 'advantage' of Filipinas is a bit of a delusion.[/QUOTE]In PP, Bangkok and pattaya, difficult to find girls for long time. Most will go for short time only. No kissing with Khmer girls. It seems although it unwritten This is their rule. Also for thai and Vietnam girls, being / seing with a foreigner is downgrade their social level, because their piers will think she may into p2 p scene. But in PH, when your young PH girl has a foreigner, she upgrade her social status. YMMV, but PH works for me better than Cambodia and Thailand. I have no experience in Jakarta. And really ou can't go wrong with LBFM. Sex is their favourite sport and they really enjoy sex and foreigners.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2734979]PH is the best destination for GFE, BBFS and CIP. I lived in Thailand 4 years and my experience is very bad. But PH really works for me. I'm in PH for 3 months, I rarely barfine and mostly go with online semipros or freebies. In Thailand you have to confirm everything before going home but in PH I never talked sex upfront. BBFS is norm here. Mostly will do CIM and swallow. DFK also norm.[/QUOTE]I just come back Europe after 1 month in Thailand and I can say I always bareback ladies in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket! They all accept! Just some times need to pay little bit more.

[QUOTE=Gunners1;2733042]
Sometimes you do hit a diamond in the malls. But never go looking for them.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback on this one in SM Clark. I will take a more open approach on my next visit but not rely on my success.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2734979]PH is the best destination for GFE, BBFS and CIP. I lived in Thailand 4 years and my experience is very bad. In Thailand you have to confirm everything before going home but in PH I never talked sex upfront. BBFS is norm here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2734983]In PP, Bangkok and pattaya, difficult to find girls for long time. Most will go for short time only.[/QUOTE]Goes to show YMMV. Another poster, ET, has lived in Thailand a long time and says the same as you. I have lived in Pattaya 14 years and my experience is more along the lines of a brand new poster whose first time it was to Thailand recently. What me and him have in common is that we don't go looking for it, it is just always there. Whereas ET speaks the same as you; he confirms everything before taking the chick. I pretty much only do long time unless I get a chick in the day and I have something to do later on. Never a problem getting LT chicks in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2734859]All of them voluntarily bareback (not what I was seeking) & GFE. All stayed 3 4 hrs even though I paid for ST only. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2734983]In PP, Bangkok and pattaya, difficult to find girls for long time. Most will go for short time only. No kissing with Khmer girls. It seems although it unwritten This is their rule. Also for Thai and Vietnam girls, being / seing with a foreigner is downgrade their social level, because their piers will think she may into P2P scene. But in PH, when your young PH girl has a foreigner, she upgrade her social status. YMMV, but PH works for me better than Cambodia and Thailand. I have no experience in Jakarta. And really ou can't go wrong with LBFM. Sex is their favourite sport and they really enjoy sex and foreigners.[/QUOTE]I agree, most girls in Pattaya and Bangkok only want short time, they don't want to be fucked non stop by a guy all night. But they have no problem walking around with you, going to the beach and the mall because their family and friends don't live there. You get out of the tourist zones, then they'll get looked at. I don't agree that the Philippines is an exception, I was told flat out several times the girl wouldn't meet me for coffee because it would look like she was having sex for money. There are exceptions for the rule though. Girls who've been seen out and about with an older guy before won't care what others say, money is more important than the words of a stranger.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2734989]I just come back Europe after 1 month in Thailand and I can say I always bareback ladies in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket! They all accept! Just some times need to pay little bit more.[/QUOTE]Stop spreading these lies. BBFS is available in Thailand but not nearly as accessible or easy as you say.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2734979]PH is the best destination for GFE, BBFS and CIP. I lived in Thailand 4 years and my experience is very bad. But PH really works for me. I'm in PH for 3 months, I rarely barfine and mostly go with online semipros or freebies. In Thailand you have to confirm everything before going home but in PH I never talked sex upfront. BBFS is norm here. Mostly will do CIM and swallow. DFK also norm.[/QUOTE]PH is ok for that. Not more. Swallowing and DFK is for sure not the norm. It looks like you haven't seen much.

I first noticed what GFE means after I started going to africa.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2735180]Stop spreading these lies. BBFS is available in Thailand but not nearly as accessible or easy as you say.[/QUOTE]The original poster has a fetish for BBFS / CIP which is, according to himself, coupled with a unique talent to achieve this everywhere he goes.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2735180]Stop spreading these lies. BBFS is available in Thailand but not nearly as accessible or easy as you say.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. BB available in Thailand, but you have to confirm it before barfine if you deal with FL or bar girls. If you are into freebies, yes, BB is easy in Thailand,too. The question is, how easy to get freebies ?
Pinays much more easier than Thais.

Good luck if someone get reply from thai girls during online chat with more than 2 words. They will reply mostly ok , LT , no, yes and so on. Thai girls more cold hearted and money oriented while pinays are into more GFE and BBFS. But pinays love drama more than Thais. This is my experience. As i said , YMMV.

But in PH, BB is normal because of Catholic church. Even girls will be offended if you offer to use condom.

There is another problem with pinays , they dont go shower before sex. I tried everything. Very difficult to send them to shower. Mostly their pussy stinks. Thais much more cleaner and always go shower before boom boom, you even dont need to ask it.
In another forum , a guy recommended me to buy expensive shower gels and show her and ask if she wants to try. I did so , and it worked with some pinays really.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2735334]There is another problem with pinays , they dont go shower before sex. I tried everything. Very difficult to send them to shower. Mostly their pussy stinks. Thais much more cleaner and always go shower before boom boom, you even dont need to ask it.
In another forum , a guy recommended me to buy expensive shower gels and show her and ask if she wants to try. I did so , and it worked with some pinays really.[/QUOTE]Not sure what standard of pinays you like to be with or where they come from but that has never been a problem for me. In fact those I am with are super hygienic so perhaps you need to find a better class of pinay? Or say no shower no money? If ever I have a smelly pussy I just ask them nicely to go home.

Simple really.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2735334]There is another problem with pinays , they dont go shower before sex. I tried everything. Very difficult to send them to shower. Mostly their pussy stinks. Thais much more cleaner and always go shower before boom boom, you even dont need to ask it.
In another forum , a guy recommended me to buy expensive shower gels and show her and ask if she wants to try. I did so , and it worked with some pinays really.[/QUOTE]True.

But, topic covered more than once, previously. Send her away if you like, but there may be problems with that: Smelly or not, if you didn't inspect it before asking her to your place (and, you didn't), she -- or her employer -- might reasonably expect some compensation for her travel time. What, did you think she is aware that her poon smelled and she would warn you in advance of it?

And there is a simple fix, already covered:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2704929&viewfull=1#post2704929[/URL]

Please pay attention.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2735334]
There is another problem with pinays , they dont go shower before sex. I tried everything. Very difficult to send them to shower. Mostly their pussy stinks. Thais much more cleaner and always go shower before boom boom, you even dont need to ask it.
In another forum , a guy recommended me to buy expensive shower gels and show her and ask if she wants to try. I did so , and it worked with some pinays really.[/QUOTE]Where are you getting your girls from, the rice fields? I have never had a Filipina that didn't shower beforehand. Go to Mexico if you want unwashed vaginas.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2735496]Where are you getting your girls from, the rice fields? I have never had a Filipina that didn't shower beforehand. Go to Mexico if you want unwashed vaginas.[/QUOTE]You should stop and think about where these girls come from before you attack another poster. Sure your girls might take showers before sex, they are most likely well versed in the routine having had hundreds of customers. But if you grab a girl off a dating site you just don't know what your going to get. Got a chat from one of my girls "I am downstairs, come and get me" so I put on my shoes thinking the guard won't let her past to come up to my room. I go down the elevator and she's standing right there. Get her on the elevator and she says "I don't know how to use elevator". So the question then is has she ever seen a real shower? As I'm typing this out I honestly don't think she's ever taken a shower here, ohhh she's used the water bucket and spigot but never the shower.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2735496]Where are you getting your girls from, the rice fields? I have never had a Filipina that didn't shower beforehand. Go to Mexico if you want unwashed vaginas.[/QUOTE]All Philippine girls take a shower before sex and many times after sex also. Yes, some do have some stench even after shower. That is the time to cut loose. It usually means some sort Ipoh infection.

Got to agree. I take the girl back from the bar or the club and we jump in the shower together. Helps break the ice. An odor is generally related to a bacterial infection, not hygiene. That being said I've never detected an odor from a Pinay bargirl but about half of the white girls in LA have something going on down there. Not that it stops me.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2735496]Where are you getting your girls from, the rice fields? I have never had a Filipina that didn't shower beforehand. Go to Mexico if you want unwashed vaginas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2735595]Got to agree. I take the girl back from the bar or the club and we jump in the shower together. Helps break the ice. An odor is generally related to a bacterial infection, not hygiene. That being said I've never detected an odor from a Pinay bargirl but about half of the white girls in LA have something going on down there. Not that it stops me.[/QUOTE]Good to point out. Have had girls who didn't pass the sniff test in every country.

Every girl. All of them. Get that kit off of her and get her into the shower with me. Do not turn on the shower. Hand her the probe / insertion end of the douchebag and have her insert it. New girls might be a bit befudled at first. Open the water valve and let her see it lightly sprays water first. Once inserted, let it run until you see water running down her leg for 5 seconds. Remove, close the water valve, be done. I usually then rinse in the shower with the girl.

I have been using this for 6+ years. Never has a girl balked. Bemused at first maybe. Into the half-gallon of water I put a spoonful of mouthwash -- you get a minty-fresh kiss later! Once she does this once, they do this themselves as they walk in the door. Some girls have asked for one at home. Many also use it before they depart, on the way back to their boyfie.

Now to KF's thoughts about unhygenic. A number of girls over the years have jumped off my bed and put on her kit without bothering to clean herself, with my seed oozing inside of her. Off to the boyfie (or whatever). She cleaned it at the start for me, but not her SO. Yuck! Other girls have, after cleaning with it and then banging me (twice), put some toothpaste on her finger and rub it around her poonana. Sweetie what are you doing? "So my boyfriend won't know what I done". You could have cleaned much deeper with the water bottle. "Nah". Puts on her pants and walks out.

Related story coming later. I love Philippines!

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2735334]Thais much more cleaner and always go shower before boom boom, you even dont need to ask it.[/QUOTE]Thai chicks are too damn clean. I have had several chicks get up and go take a shower in the middle of fucking because they got too wet. No idea why they think their pussy is supposed to be dry.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2735636]Douchebags.[/QUOTE]An alternative to mouthwash in your vaginal douches [URL]https://www.mon-pharmacien-conseil.com/en/drugs/5258-betadine-vaginal-solution-10-125-ml.html[/URL].

This guy claims to apply regular Betadine (Iodine) antiseptic liquid (to his member) after sex and not experience STDs [URL]https://asiansexdiary.com/category/diary/[/URL].

STDs can be self-treated with oral MMS solution. Just need sodium chlorite (Na.Cl.O2 solution or flakes) and activate with lime juice to create chlorine dioxide (Cl.O2; not chlorine gas). Very unpleasant taste but it works quickly and safely; may be some nausea. I have taken it myself for a general detox. [URL]https://mmstestimonials.co/uti-urinary-tract-infection/[/URL]
[URL]https://mmsforum.io/goto/mms/35345-where-to-buy-in-the-philippines[/URL]

Hey Trevor.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]ut that is no reason to come about with your home remedies for STIs. The Angeles hospital is good and cheap and Angeles is a hothouse for all kinds of STIs. You name it, they have it. Anyone who gets SDTIs should hot foot it up to where they can be cured and should ignore Scientologists, Mormons and other American crackheads unless they want a terrible, lingering death.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2735725]An alternative to mouthwash in your vaginal douches [URL]https://www.mon-pharmacien-conseil.com/en/drugs/5258-betadine-vaginal-solution-10-125-ml.html[/URL].

This guy claims to apply regular Betadine (Iodine) antiseptic liquid (to his member) after sex and not experience STDs [URL]https://asiansexdiary.com/category/diary/[/URL].

STDs can be self-treated with oral MMS solution. Just need sodium chlorite (Na.Cl.O2 solution or flakes) and activate with lime juice to create chlorine dioxide (Cl.O2; not chlorine gas). Very unpleasant taste but it works quickly and safely; may be some nausea. I have taken it myself for a general detox. [URL]https://mmstestimonials.co/uti-urinary-tract-infection/[/URL]
[URL]https://mmsforum.io/goto/mms/35345-where-to-buy-in-the-philippines[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2735636]Good to point out. Have had girls who didn't pass the sniff test in every country.

Every girl. All of them. Get that kit off of her and get her into the shower with me. Do not turn on the shower. Hand her the probe / insertion end of the douchebag and have her insert it. New girls might be a bit befudled at first. Open the water valve and let her see it lightly sprays water first. Once inserted, let it run until you see water running down her leg for 5 seconds. Remove, close the water valve, be done. I usually then rinse in the shower with the girl.

I have been using this for 6+ years. Never has a girl balked. Bemused at first maybe. Into the half-gallon of water I put a spoonful of mouthwash -- you get a minty-fresh kiss later! Once she does this once, they do this themselves as they walk in the door. Some girls have asked for one at home. Many also use it before they depart, on the way back to their boyfie.

Now to KF's thoughts about unhygenic. A number of girls over the years have jumped off my bed and put on her kit without bothering to clean herself, with my seed oozing inside of her. Off to the boyfie (or whatever). She cleaned it at the start for me, but not her SO. Yuck! Other girls have, after cleaning with it and then banging me (twice), put some toothpaste on her finger and rub it around her poonana. Sweetie what are you doing? "So my boyfriend won't know what I done". You could have cleaned much deeper with the water bottle. "Nah". Puts on her pants and walks out.

Related story coming later. I love Philippines![/QUOTE]That's very gross if they don't clean up after cuming inside her. I had very few not cleaning themselves up, but then when I warn them that my sperm will come out when they are in the street or in the jeepney they go and take a shower, except one of them who later on text me: You were right, you cum so much, and I was dropping your sperm in the mall and probably in the jeepney, LOL.

I would say about 95% of girls will either shower or wash their pussy after sex.

I had a girl back on January who confess to me (after I told her that I had a living partner and a baby) that she has a filipino boyfriend (they just started dating a month ago so not official BF yet) who was waiting for her in the same hotel in another room (one floor downstairs). They were suppose to go to another hotel later but when she found out that I only payed 800 php for the night, she asked him to come there, anyways after we had sex she took a shower (luckily), and went to meet his Filipino BF after I told her that I have to leave.

I was abit skeptical at first and I thought maybe her and her BF might rob me outside, but that wasn't the case, the only thing was that she text me many times around 1 and 2 am, later she told me she was bored with her BF and wanted to come to my room, good thing she didn't come and knock my door because I was with another date that time. She was cool and drama free, I got lucky I guess.

Just returned from a tour of duty in Angeles city, after 2 year pause, here is the report:

Bar fines: 4 k and up, I had one time 3 k but I forgot where (maybe it was insomnia).

Even if is long time most girls come up with some excuse to go after few hours.

Lady drinks 300 and up.

Prices in restaurants double than before.

Full of young good looking Koreans, and old Indians.

The ladyboys have multiplied.

1/3 of the bars are closed.

Masks mandatory on the street (I didn't wear one like many others) - fine is 1000 p.

Mask check points at all entrances to walking street.

The corona circus wagon patrols the street once in a while, with the flashlights on, ready to collect the corpses.

Most bars are converted to Korean utopia with glass, and neon.

Some of the Korean bars have the girls fully dressed in fancy gala attire.

In some of the Korean bars the girls don't even pay attention to other than Koreans customers, even if you're the only one in there.

Score birds swimsuit competition won't allow cameras anymore.

The street is full of scumbags filming everybody.

In some bars girls have only tape over the bare tits.

In royal Amsterdam hotel, the girls are required to present ID an vax card, no exceptions. I don't know about the other hotels.

Lots of gorgeous girls and lots of fat ones, not much in between.

The girls I had were super clean (and I had lots of them).

The ATM's will run out of cash over the weekend.

Getting in the country, is a major pain, I flew in via Seoul, and the Koreans checked my vax papers 3 separate times only for the transit.

The whole Asian continent still mesmerised by the andromeda strain hoax.

And that's all that comes to mind right now.

Long, difficult flight, but I'm already looking for airfare to go back, it's more addictive than heroin.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2736887]
In royal Amsterdam hotel, the girls are required to present ID an vax card, no exceptions. I don't know about the other hotels.
[/QUOTE]In its current state I would not recommend royal amsterdam. Score birds and Central Park Tower don't do that nonsense and I'm sure the rest also don't check for this. They have taken it upon them selves to become an extension of the NBI and will securitize a valid vaccine card. Very disappointing as this was one of my favorite hotels. I guess this is why they are trying to sell the place?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2736887] The street is full of scumbags filming everybody. [/QUOTE]This is the worst part about living here. Everything that happens is now on Youtube. There is a law in the PH that prohibits filming anyone without permission but I have never seen it enforced. Pretty much all of the Vloggers in AC are a lifeform below that of bacteria. Scumbags with clickbait titles to get views. Don't care about anything but "Like and Subscribe to my channel. ".

[QUOTE=Beavis;2737763]This is the worst part about living here. Everything that happens is now on Youtube. There is a law in the PH that prohibits filming anyone without permission but I have never seen it enforced. Pretty much all of the Vloggers in AC are a lifeform below that of bacteria. Scumbags with clickbait titles to get views. Don't care about anything but "Like and Subscribe to my channel. ".[/QUOTE]The typical AC expat is a broke long term sex tourist living on a meager social security check desperately trying to scrounge some extra cash to pay for hookers. Youtube is one of those ways. They sell the dream to other sad sacks sitting in their mothers basement dreaming of LBFMs. LOL.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2737763]This is the worst part about living here. Everything that happens is now on Youtube. There is a law in the PH that prohibits filming anyone without permission but I have never seen it enforced. Pretty much all of the Vloggers in AC are a lifeform below that of bacteria. Scumbags with clickbait titles to get views. Don't care about anything but "Like and Subscribe to my channel. ".[/QUOTE]But there is nothing to see in Angeles. It is not exactly London or Rome. Such videos were useful during Covid to get a feel for the place. Some vloggers are good. I would recommend Soft White Underbelly who interviews all kinds of marginalised Americans. He is a talented guy and a much better interviewer than any mainstream guy. Other vloggers are addictive in their niche areas and cooks and so on can have huge followings. But just walking around a ramshackle town and telling us what 1000000 other videos told us. To be fair, it is a global blight and universities even have courses now on how to be a social influencer.

I think good videos could be done in Angeles by a professional sitting down and interviewing "stakeholders" but such a star would go to greener pastures. The ex military expats will probably hang in for another few years but their days are numbered in all ways.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2737804]The typical AC expat is a broke long term sex tourist living on a meager social security check desperately trying to scrounge some extra cash to pay for hookers. Youtube is one of those ways. They sell the dream to other sad sacks sitting in their mothers basement dreaming of LBFMs. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes you are right even though many are not so broke and looking to enhance their income by posting clickbait titles on their boring videos. There have been a lot of issues with these vloggers and I am surprised that the local police hasn't stepped in. I won't call out the scumbags but have personally seen many of these vermin in action. Lower on the scale of humanity than rats. They will lie, hide, bribe, do anything to be able to say "subscribe to my channel. " You haven't any idea how low some of these rodents will stoop. Well below the level of a cockroach. If you want to learn about the Philippines stay off of YouTube.

During the pandemic when everything was open to 30% capacity with social distancing required there was one asshole that brought a group to a bar with a live band. He asked the manager (that I know very well and his wife) if he could film the band but he promised he would not post it. The manager agreed and this asshole went live on YouTube with a big party of people in your face. The next day the Barangay went to the bar and closed them down for 2 weeks and as well prohibited any other bar from having live music for 6 weeks. So many locals lost their meager salary for 2-6 weeks but this vlogger asshole got his YouTube views. He is no longer allowed in any Barretto bars and has since moved his punk ass to Angeles City. So if you meet a guy that tells you he is a vlogger the best thing you can do is ........... Not a good answer.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2737421]In its current state I would not recommend royal amsterdam. Score birds and Central Park Tower don't do that nonsense and I'm sure the rest also don't check for this. They have taken it upon them selves to become an extension of the NBI and will securitize a valid vaccine card. Very disappointing as this was one of my favorite hotels. I guess this is why they are trying to sell the place?[/QUOTE]Royal amsterdam has the best location, and most important: best mattresses, no bouncing. I did not see many guests, the place looks haunted from outside, but once in, is very roomy, cozy and most important. Super clean. I think the price is kind of high: 2500 p / night compared to the other hotels, and maybe that's the reason it is for sale, for me the location was very important.

The staff is very friendly, but overzealous in finding discrepancies in the vax documents provided by the girls, probably a management thing, who knows maybe the owner has the andromeda strain syndrome still attached to the brain. Anyway, from the army of girls that visited my room, only one was not allowed to enter, the pic of the vax on her phone was blurry, I think they are all vaccinated, or have some fake certificate.

It is amazing how the whole asian continent (except vietnam) is still under the mind control of the people that destroyed the world, with the andromeda strain hoax.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2737869]It is amazing how the whole asian continent (except vietnam) is still under the mind control of the people that destroyed the world, with the andromeda strain hoax.[/QUOTE]As a side note, I departed a coffee shop today and forgot to pick up my face mask. I walked the half KM back to my residence without even thinking about not having it (refreshing actually). However the guard stopped me at the entrance. "Sir Westy where is your mask?" That was my realization that I didn't have it with me. I explained that I left it in a coffee shop. He kept me at the door and sent another guard to the front desk and found a fresh one for me. They absolutely will not allow anyone to go in still without a mask and they are still temp-checking (NCR).

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2737869]Royal amsterdam has the best location, and most important: best mattresses, no bouncing.[/QUOTE]The beds are VERY hard might as well be sleeping on a wooden box they are akin to old style Chinese homes beds that's the thing I like the least about it, I like the place because of the suite on the top floor and you are right the location is awesome.

I personally won't be booking a reservation unless they stop that nonsense vaccine card scrutiny, if they don't want their suite booked that's their problem, good thing about AC is so many other reasonable options only thing is I wish Grand Central would reopen.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2737979]...good thing about AC is so many other reasonable options only thing is I wish Grand Central would reopen.[/QUOTE]The Grand was great. Fantastic location, literally next door to the old High Society yet the rooms were well insulated for sound and quite quiet. Huge breakfasts. Very easy for outcall girls to find and obviously totally Girl Friendly. For less than $50 you couldn't go wrong.

Do any locals have an update? Is it gone forever or just remodelling?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2737973]....They absolutely will not allow anyone to go in still without a mask and they are still temp-checking (NCR).[/QUOTE]I'm not one for conspiracy theories about COVID being a proxy for alien mind control but there are clearly a lot of vested interests in keeping checks, conditions, PPE, travel blocks etc etc in place.

"Have you met my brother? He runs a consultancy facilitating import approvals for face masks. Perhaps you should speak to him before we decide on approved brands and models. ".

AC is for the most part, much more relaxed on the mask thing. Almost none of the staff at Central Park was wearing them and certainly not the doorman. This guy gives a tour of One Euphoria (pretty nice actually) and you can see the staff isn't wearing them.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JdqZd4N0_E[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2737973]As a side note, I departed a coffee shop today and forgot to pick up my face mask. I walked the half KM back to my residence without even thinking about not having it (refreshing actually). However the guard stopped me at the entrance. "Sir Westy where is your mask?" That was my realization that I didn't have it with me. I explained that I left it in a coffee shop. He kept me at the door and sent another guard to the front desk and found a fresh one for me. They absolutely will not allow anyone to go in still without a mask and they are still temp-checking (NCR).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2737973]He kept me at the door and sent another guard to the front desk and found a fresh one for me. They absolutely will not allow anyone to go in still without a mask and they are still temp-checking (NCR).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2738015]AC is for the most part, much more relaxed on the mask thing. Almost none of the staff at Central Park was wearing them and certainly not the doorman. This guy gives a tour of One Euphoria (pretty nice actually) and you can see the staff isn't wearing them.[/QUOTE]My recommendation to the warriors continues to be to get directly to AC.

To wit. I live in an upscale place in Makati. Without giving away too much, there are 4 similar upscale Hi-rise residences within 2 blocks, to also include another coming online soon and a another being built next door, and a large Hi-rise new professional building (call centers) next door on the other side. Masks are required to enter all of them (only employees and guests can enter obviously), are required of all employees while inside of all of those buildings, and at least 3 of them temp-check. Nobody inside the lobby in any of them is not wearing a mask. Masks are required on the street. There is a park area across the street with shade and places to sit / relax, you will see people there from sunup to midnight (or later). Even outdoors (and some people are sitting alone), nobody takes off a mask (still required in public). There are 2-4 door guards on duty at all of the places I just mentioned, fully masked, 24 hours. Have seen them stop persons such as myself for no mask, and also a resident who lived in one for not having shoes on his feet.

Almost forgot to mention social distancing. In my past 3 residences they are still sticking to no more than 4 people on an elevator (also must be masked, they use CCTV to watch and remind folk).

If this kind of thing (or getting used to this kind of thing) is not your kind of thing, then yes, go to AC. Its still an ingrained way of life in the NCR. AC appears to be a refreshing, pleasant bubble. Get your rocks off.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2738080]My recommendation to the warriors continues to be to get directly to AC.

To wit. I live in an upscale place in Makati. Without giving away too much, there are 4 similar upscale Hi-rise residences within 2 blocks, to also include another coming online soon and a another being built next door, and a large Hi-rise new professional building (call centers) next door on the other side. Masks are required to enter all of them (only employees and guests can enter obviously), are required of all employees while inside of all of those buildings, and at least 3 of them temp-check. Nobody inside the lobby in any of them is not wearing a mask. Masks are required on the street. There is a park area across the street with shade and places to sit / relax, you will see people there from sunup to midnight (or later). Even outdoors (and some people are sitting alone), nobody takes off a mask (still required in public). There are 2-4 door guards on duty at all of the places I just mentioned, fully masked, 24 hours. Have seen them stop persons such as myself for no mask, and also a resident who lived in one for not having shoes on his feet.

Almost forgot to mention social distancing. In my past 3 residences they are still sticking to no more than 4 people on an elevator (also must be masked, they use CCTV to watch and remind folk).

If this kind of thing (or getting used to this kind of thing) is not your kind of thing, then yes, go to AC. Its still an ingrained way of life in the NCR. AC appears to be a refreshing, pleasant bubble. Get your rocks off.[/QUOTE]Not to stir the mask debate but even here in highly controlled and conservative Singapore, they finally removed mask requirements except on buses, trains and MRTs and hospitals. Still about 50% of the people are still wearing masks (which is totally fine). In countries like Philippines there are always some ulterior motives behind policies. There is a lot of money in Covid restrictions and now has little to do with public health. There was a time masks were necessary. But I think that time has passed.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2738084]Not to stir the mask debate but even here in highly controlled and conservative Singapore, they finally removed mask requirements except on buses, trains and MRTs and hospitals. Still about 50% of the people are still wearing masks.....[/QUOTE]Don't forget that many Asian people and occupations were wearing masks BEFORE Covid arrived. I'm thinking most Koreans, Japanese, caregivers for the elderly etc.

Given their previous attitude and the scaremongering, it's not surprising that many are reluctant to abandon them. Unfortunately, those that don't want or need them are forced to follow suit.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2738084]Not to stir the mask debate but even here in highly controlled and conservative Singapore, they finally removed mask requirements except on buses, trains and MRTs and hospitals. Still about 50% of the people are still wearing masks (which is totally fine). In countries like Philippines there are always some ulterior motives behind policies. There is a lot of money in Covid restrictions and now has little to do with public health. There was a time masks were necessary. But I think that time has passed.[/QUOTE]IMHO wearing masks when going out can save us from the polluted atmosphere in the heavy traffic areas and prevent nosocomial infections. After this covid era the respiratory infections are dropped dramatically in polluted countries.

Magicly drinking or eating anything in phils makes you automatically immune to covid, so you just need to search for the nearest drink vendor so you can legitimately lower your mask. The guards will also NOT tell you to pull you mask up if you are eating or drinking unless you pass through a checkpoint.

In reality imo you only need to mask going through checkpoints and almost immediately lowering your mask again. Such as the 2 main entrances to walking street, MAYBE entering your hotel, on any kind of public transportation including grab & getting into the malls. Otherwise at least in AC you can lower your mask almost everywhere especially in restaurants and bars. First thing I do at the bar is stow my mask. So pull up a seat at tequila reef, kokomos, philly's, envy's take the mask off after you sit down and enjoy the show.

The absolute only place I wore a mask in AC was in the SM mall. Not one second anywhere else and nobody cared nor said a thing. Passing a stranger in a street and giving a smile and a Hello, is more beneficial to humankind than the zero percent chance of getting covid outdoors. The only reason I engage in this type of conversation is because I find it fascinating, humans' inability to properly evaluate risk. Get vaccinated, live your life. I saw a picture of a guy riding a motorcycle without a helmet, but wearing a mask. Fascinating.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2738160]Magicly drinking or eating anything in phils makes you automatically immune to covid, so you just need to search for the nearest drink vendor so you can legitimately lower your mask. The guards will also NOT tell you to pull you mask up if you are eating or drinking unless you pass through a checkpoint.

In reality imo you only need to mask going through checkpoints and almost immediately lowering your mask again. Such as the 2 main entrances to walking street, MAYBE entering your hotel, on any kind of public transportation including grab & getting into the malls. Otherwise at least in AC you can lower your mask almost everywhere especially in restaurants and bars. First thing I do at the bar is stow my mask. So pull up a seat at tequila reef, kokomos, philly's, envy's take the mask off after you sit down and enjoy the show.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2738128]IMHO wearing masks when going out can save us from the polluted atmosphere in the heavy traffic areas and prevent nosocomial infections. After this covid era the respiratory infections are dropped dramatically in polluted countries.[/QUOTE]Was that due to people not being out as much, people wearing masks, the usually heavy traffic areas not having as much heavy traffic as before and therefore less pollution, the covid shot, or none of the above?

Mask requirements have never stopped me from fucking in AC. So what if they require it to enter Fields or SM Mall? Get over the small hurdles to the finish line! No requirements to wear a mask while licking or fucking.

I do wear a mask inside a trike to eliminate some exhaust fumes allergies.

AC is nice now with the smaller crowds with the unvaccinated weeded out along with the noncompliants.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2738238]
AC is nice now with the smaller crowds with the unvaccinated weeded out along with the noncompliants.[/QUOTE]Good point, this is true, felt like AC circa 2010, can't wait to get back.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2738239]Good point, this is true, felt like AC circa 2010, can't wait to get back.[/QUOTE]Were you ever in AC in 2010? So we have full nudity and lesbian action in bars now? Tons of cheap BJ and ST bars for 500 Peso short time? Long time is really the default with the Bar Fines now? Cmon, 2022 is nothing like 2010 even accounting for inflation. The whole environment is nowhere the same. Its still fun, but nothing like the good old days.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2738791]Were you ever in AC in 2010? So we have full nudity and lesbian action in bars now? Tons of cheap BJ and ST bars for 500 Peso short time? Long time is really the default with the Bar Fines now? Cmon, 2022 is nothing like 2010 even accounting for inflation. The whole environment is nowhere the same. Its still fun, but nothing like the good old days.[/QUOTE]Baccara had this going on when I was there before it got raided girls were walking around in this very see through mesh without underwear on. They had some lesbian shows and full nudity obviously why they got raided I doubt its going on now post raid. You can go back in my trip reports and see this I mentioned this. As a matter of fact I was getting full service ST for cheap around one of the backstreets in a more nondescript bar kind of a remnant of santos street, I don't want to blow up their spot but its not hard to find. There was a lot less competition at times I was the only customer in the bars and less weekend millionaires so it was easier to find bar fines.

The thing I miss the most about 2010 is Tropix a lot of fond memories in that bar I've been waiting for someone to reopen that, Due to the change in nationality of the bar owners some of that flair will never come back but Its still great without all the anti-vaxxer buzzkills when they come back things are going to go back to boring because they demand boring got to give the customers what they want. 2010-12 was around the time where they used to have this lady who had to be on some kind of stimulant that did the girls choreography to "Who Let The Dogs Out! The girls now days don't put half the effort in as they used to.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8agdcYg1OJQ[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDqGvPUV48[/URL]

Hold on a moment montanna monger, lets put the record straight, talk of recent nudity in bars and bars getting raided for this recently is just not true, yes baccara bar was raided but it sure was not for nude girls.

The truth surrounding what's on offer in angeles bars since the bar raids of some years ago is that there is more flesh on show on any beach the world than in angeles bars.

As far as angeles girls availability yes one can get a BJ in some back street area for 1000 pesos by a 40-50 year old homeless lady but even well below average older fatter bar girls are demanding 4000-5000 pesos short time one pop with many of the better looking bargirls refusing to sit with whitie and insisting on drinks with asians only, lets not forget many bargirls just will not barfine with anyone because they don't need to, so where the value in an angeles visit.

Yes I get it that some just need a girl with a pulse to have a good time but for me and multiple others that are looking for the younger slimmer attractive girls then angeles is a poor destination choice especially for those that have to travel at great expence, hell I live 20 minutes from walking st and last Saturday I preferred to stay home and watch scarface for the 20th time than go out and be disappointed in the bars.

They have this thing close to full nudity in few bars now: body tape the same color as the skin. While is exciting to watch, I don't really like it, because they are pushing it, and may get shut down. We will end up with fewer places, and fewer choices, therefore higher prices.

I flew in and out from Korea, and in the airport I saw tons of koreans that brought their women along with them, all were checking in golf equipment, they look like the conservative family type, I don't think they been anywhere close to fields ave, or the surroundings, and I don't think that most of them are aware about the dark side of angeles city.

There are golf courses, upscale hotels, villas and restaurants, that are still a lot cheaper than Korea, and there is a new kind of weekend millionaires, that are not interested in what fields avenue has to offer, on a contrary, they may be offended by its very existence.

The few golfers coming without spouses, and still interested in finding company for one evening have something else in mind than the bars on walking street: I saw buses being loaded with girls from bars and taken to private villas. Probably they pay for all of them and use whatever they like, therefore doesn't seem that the existence of the bars will be necessary if this trend continues.

Seven new golf courses are being constructed, every bar and hotel that's still operating on walking street seems to be for sale, the ones that have been sold already are converted to clean looking korean bbq restaurants, and pool bars, with big see thru windows, and plenty of light fixtures. I think the old fields ave is being replaced with something we're not going to like, and spend thousands of dollars to fly to.

It is 2022 now. The past has no concern to the present or future.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2738911]It is 2022 now. The past has no concern to the present or future.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2738828]Hold on a moment montanna monger, lets put the record straight, talk of recent nudity in bars and bars getting raided for this recently is just not true, yes baccara bar was raided but it sure was not for nude girls.

The truth surrounding what's on offer in angeles bars since the bar raids of some years ago is that there is more flesh on show on any beach the world than in angeles bars.

As far as angeles girls availability yes one can get a BJ in some back street area for 1000 pesos by a 40-50 year old homeless lady but even well below average older fatter bar girls are demanding 4000-5000 pesos short time one pop with many of the better looking bargirls refusing to sit with whitie and insisting on drinks with asians only, lets not forget many bargirls just will not barfine with anyone because they don't need to, so where the value in an angeles visit.

Yes I get it that some just need a girl with a pulse to have a good time but for me and multiple others that are looking for the younger slimmer attractive girls then angeles is a poor destination choice especially for those that have to travel at great expence, hell I live 20 minutes from walking st and last Saturday I preferred to stay home and watch scarface for the 20th time than go out and be disappointed in the bars.[/QUOTE]Set your sites on Medellin Colombia; my friend, something their for everyone, or any good reason to stay their if it's so horrible, just asking, because like you I was starting to feel no value their anymore, and just starting going to Thailand; and when pandemic hit rediscovered Medellin- everything happens for a reason, Medellin you can get whatever you want with zero hassle, I'm hoping my upcoming trip Sunday to Thailand is amazing and gives me reasons to keep going back like Medellin did!

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2738926]Thanks for the update.[/QUOTE]Welcome.

FYI to all mongers, past and present 2023 wall calendars will be available for purchase in a few weeks.

It will be YK2000+22 1/365.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2736887]Just returned from a tour of duty in Angeles city, after 2 year pause, here is the report:

Bar fines: 4 k and up, I had one time 3 k but I forgot where (maybe it was insomnia).


The girls I had were super clean (and I had lots of them).

.[/QUOTE]And how much did you pay?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2730985]Well its available almost everywhere but in Philippines due the influence of the Catholic Church, BBFS is the default. The girls don't carry condoms and many non hookers have never even seen one. You can get it in Thailand and Indonesia as well bit it can be hit or miss. There are many clubs in Germany where it is the standard offering as well. But most anywhere if you have a regular thing with a girl it will almost always go to BBFS.[/QUOTE]The RTC AO clubs are rapidly dying in Germany. The girls that can move on to mainline FKK where they can charge 100€ and to everything WITH a condom instead of charging 50€ without in a RTC. In very rare circumstances you can get AO in a mainline but be prepared to cough up lots of €€€. The girls remaining in the RTC AO are all old fat and ugly, so I would recommend skipping Germany now a days.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2738828]
Yes I get it that some just need a girl with a pulse to have a good time but for me and multiple others that are looking for the younger slimmer attractive girls then angeles is a poor destination.[/QUOTE]I'm typically a glass half full guy, but in today's AC, sadly, the glass really is half empty. You can still get laid by (in) decent ladies, but it takes more work and much more money. The old days of effortless and cheap fucking are gone. Still a fun destination to re-visit for a couple days, but it's better to set ones expectations pretty low these days.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2738935]Set your sites on Medellin Colombia; my friend, something their for everyone, or any good reason to stay their if it's so horrible, just asking, because like you I was starting to feel no value their anymore, and just starting going to Thailand; and when pandemic hit rediscovered Medellin- everything happens for a reason, Medellin you can get whatever you want with zero hassle, I'm hoping my upcoming trip Sunday to Thailand is amazing and gives me reasons to keep going back like Medellin did![/QUOTE]No chance of leaving angeles as I own a company that is doing well here if not for that I would be gone years ago.

For those that say forget the past this is 2022 so accept it, well unfortunately for angeles in 2022 there are far superior nearby Mon. Gering destinations to choose from so why settle for much less in angeles.

As far as non mongering asians I just had japanese business associates over and all they wanted was golf and good suchi, not a mention of visiting girlie bars so yes times are changing against the angeles bar industry as can be witnessed by multiple bars empty.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2730985]Well its available almost everywhere but in Philippines due the influence of the Catholic Church, BBFS is the default. The girls don't carry condoms and many non hookers have never even seen one. S.[/QUOTE]BBFS is common but not the default, Many NGOs etc supply condoms and explain risks.

Many "girls" carry condoms. Some have even stolen my condoms.

Americans, expat or otherwise, a health hazard. This is one dumb as shtt post. Christ on a bike.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2738935]Set your sites on Medellin Colombia; my friend, something their for everyone, or any good reason to stay their if it's so horrible, just asking, because like you I was starting to feel no value their anymore, and just starting going to Thailand; and when pandemic hit rediscovered Medellin- everything happens for a reason, Medellin you can get whatever you want with zero hassle, I'm hoping my upcoming trip Sunday to Thailand is amazing and gives me reasons to keep going back like Medellin did![/QUOTE]That is simplified stupid dangerous advice even if you were staying in Poblado area. Medellin and Colombia are nothing like Philippines or Thailand. Most areas you get inside before 9:00 PM as a tourist. You can not get drunk and have no worries of anything happening to you like Phils and Thailand. All of Colombia is not set up for tourists because it is not a big tourist destination. You will find very few signs and menus in English and very few people speak English so everything becomes more difficult. Guys visiting Thai / Phil think you have communication issues in those countries? Wait until you visit Colombia.

In Colombia if you hear yelling it means someone if trying to steal or there is a fight. If you hear screaming it means there is blood. I was in the Botero tourist area where there are large bronze sculptures and a museum. I was on the 3rd floor of a hotel when I hear screaming at one in the afternoon on a sunny day one block from the police station. Some guy got knifed. Not sure if he died or not. The picture you see is not a copy. That is from my phone.

Three times guys have tried to physically steal my phone from me. I have seen several guys get mugged in the middle of the day.

I am standing in the same area months later and I hear a thud. People start to gather outside a hotel I stayed at for 3 weeks. More and more people gathered so I walked over and see a guy laying on the cement but he was alive. I was told he either jumped or was thrown out the second or third floor of the hotel. Not sure sure if he died later on or not but it took 35 minutes before he was taken away.

I have seen more stuff happen in 3 months in Colombia than a total of 3 years in Phils.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2739074]BBFS is common but not the default, Many NGOs etc supply condoms and explain risks.

Many "girls" carry condoms. Some have even stolen my condoms.

Americans, expat or otherwise, a health hazard. This is one dumb as shtt post. Christ on a bike.[/QUOTE]I'm confused. Are we still speaking about Filipinas? You know: short girls, brown skin, long black hair, cute smiles but a funny accent? Those girls?

Maybe 2 out of 1000 that I have met match your description. Send me a pic of a condom so I can explain them to the other 998. It's always me who brings them out or suggests their usage, not the girls.

Are you suggesting that the average American monger poses more of a health risk than a 500-guys-a-year Bargirl? Suggest you read the recent posts about poxed up, stinking pussies.

Thanks for the fun read.

G.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2739061].....For those that say forget the past this is 2022 so accept it, well unfortunately for angeles in 2022 there are far superior nearby Mon. Gering destinations to choose from so why settle for much less in angeles....[/QUOTE]I'd suggest that there are better options than barfines even within AC. I'd agree that street walking freelancers can be truely tragic but many online girls or civilian part-timers can be good fun and good value.

As for comparing a Walking Street barfine to a provincial honey, yes, it's chalk and cheese.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2739176]I'm confused. Are we still speaking about Filipinas? You know: short girls, brown skin, long black hair, cute smiles but a funny accent?? Those girls?

Maybe 2 out of 1000 that I have met match your description. Send me a pic of a condom so I can explain them to the other 998. It's always me who brings them out or suggests their usage, not the girls.[/QUOTE]I think 4 out of my 1000 mentioned a condom. They can't seem to keep their panty on; and they return and return for an internal vaccination, even decades before the pandemic (horny AND clairvoyant). Certain province girls would love to buntis-up with a gringo.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2739135]That is simplified stupid dangerous advice even if you were staying in Poblado area. Medellin and Colombia are nothing like Philippines or Thailand. Most areas you get inside before 9:00 PM as a tourist. You can not get drunk and have no worries of anything happening to you like Phils and Thailand. All of Colombia is not set up for tourists because it is not a big tourist destination. You will find very few signs and menus in English and very few people speak English so everything becomes more difficult. Guys visiting Thai / Phil think you have communication issues in those countries? Wait until you visit Colombia.

In Colombia if you hear yelling it means someone if trying to steal or there is a fight. If you hear screaming it means there is blood. I was in the Botero tourist area where there are large bronze sculptures and a museum. I was on the 3rd floor of a hotel when I hear screaming at one in the afternoon on a sunny day one block from the police station. Some guy got knifed. Not sure if he died or not. The picture you see is not a copy. That is from my phone.

Three times guys have tried to physically steal my phone from me. I have seen several guys get mugged in the middle of the day..[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the Botero scene. Got BBFS there for 10 $ Chicas many times. I reported about that. But You need at least some Basic Spanish skills (as in every Spanish speaking country I. M. o) and yes Medellin is nor for every one. That's good, because that way it will stay so for a longer time like that it will and not end so quick like Poblado. For me Botero for sure was better than Sosua in DR, where I got shitty, cold service and needed to hustle with these Putas everyday. Much less hassle in Botero for me! Ha.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2739178]I'd suggest that there are better options than barfines even within AC. I'd agree that street walking freelancers can be truely tragic but many online girls or civilian part-timers can be good fun and good value..[/QUOTE]Yes, that's true. Freelancer are a much better deal. But travelling the long and costly way to fuck only Freelancers in a shithole like AC? I don't know, I'm not sure.

But I also did this also several times, but I'm not sure if I will do it again, because its kind of foolish and not necessary, because there are other Destinations.

Then I prefer to explore other destinations in Africa e. G.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2739135]That is simplified stupid dangerous advice even if you were staying in Poblado area. Medellin and Colombia are nothing like Philippines or Thailand. Most areas you get inside before 9:00 PM as a tourist. You can not get drunk and have no worries of anything happening to you like Phils and Thailand. All of Colombia is not set up for tourists because it is not a big tourist destination. You will find very few signs and menus in English and very few people speak English so everything becomes more difficult. Guys visiting Thai / Phil think you have communication issues in those countries? Wait until you visit Colombia.

In Colombia if you hear yelling it means someone if trying to steal or there is a fight. If you hear screaming it means there is blood. I was in the Botero tourist area where there are large bronze sculptures and a museum. I was on the 3rd floor of a hotel when I hear screaming at one in the afternoon on a sunny day one block from the police station. Some guy got knifed. Not sure if he died or not. The picture you see is not a copy. That is from my phone.

Three times guys have tried to physically steal my phone from me. I have seen several guys get mugged in the middle of the day.

I am standing in the same area months later and I hear a thud. People start to gather outside a hotel I stayed at for 3 weeks. More and more people gathered so I walked over and see a guy laying on the cement but he was alive. I was told he either jumped or was thrown out the second or third floor of the hotel. Not sure sure if he died later on or not but it took 35 minutes before he was taken away.

I have seen more stuff happen in 3 months in Colombia than a total of 3 years in Phils.[/QUOTE]Been over 60 times never once a jam up, maybe looking out of your 3rd floor 5 $ a night hotel room has something to do with the experience you seem to have over their? Hmmm, and my suggestion was for op who was looking for young hot chicks not you, and he answered me in a gentleman way unlike you! Oh and some advice for you get out of the 5 $ a night hotel area and it's much more safe! 3 times someone trying to steal your phone? Really, hmm! I've been going for over 20 years and never once has anyone ever tryed me like that, but I also not stay in 5 $ a night hotel rooms, and your advice about menus and stuff not being in English, have you even been their or you doing reports from moms basement? LOL stay safe (seems you have lots of bad luck) and maybe try a 10 $ a night room, somewhere out of the ghetto! Your experience will improve tremendously!! My first class ticket for Thailand leaves in the morning, but that's a whole nother story for you some other time, peace budy.

This is my second PH visit after staying 2 months in manila in june and July. This time i directly came AC and booked a serviced condo in *kandi towers for a month ( trying to talk with host to make my stay shorter now )

AC is a dump. *There is nothing to do around , nothing to eat nearby walking street. I mostly use grab to order proper food. And i cannot wait to go back my *lovely gramercy residence in makati soon. *I collected lots of number before coming here and as usual 2/3 of girls just disappeared when i told them i arrived to AC. I really have no idea why girls do it. With some girls I almost talked everyday for 2 weeks , we made many plans o go Subic and even i offered to take them boracay. and as usual *they just ghosted as soon as i told them im in the town. Rest 1/3 still ok but nowhere near makati girls. About WS bars ;

Im in angeles for 2 days and i m planning to stay 2 weeks although my booking is one month.. my observations

- girls far less picky than Thailand. Many old white guys picked up 2 young slim girls in front of me.*
- barfine is 4K in most bar , all included. ( in pattaya , sensation gogo Barfine 1500 + long time 5000 , total 6500 baht ,which is more than double )
- BBFS and CIP is a norm. Even dont bother to ask.*
- girls are clean , their pussy doesnt smell bad that is different than *manila freelancers and semipros.*
- there are only fews *slim , attractive girls between 18-21 years old without baby damage. Not easy task to find and take them with you. I chatted with some but they behaved cold and i didnt take them although they answered they would come with me LT.*
- girls tend to leave in VERY early morning. As a general rule , I always ask when they will leave next day before barfining, almost all of them told me 06 AM or 07 AM . But then no reason for Long time if i have breakfast alone and no morning glory sex. Even mamasans involved and try to convince girls to stay with me at least next day until 12.00 but all of them refused. So i didnt barfine them. Again , i am interested only top tier girls , and i have a strict no baby damage rule ( it is flexible when im so horny or she is a freebie )

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2739311]This is my second PH visit after staying 2 months in manila in june and July. This time i directly came AC and booked a serviced condo in *kandi towers for a month ( trying to talk with host to make my stay shorter now )

AC is a dump. *There is nothing to do around , nothing to eat nearby walking street. I mostly use grab to order proper food. And i cannot wait to go back my *lovely gramercy residence in makati soon. *I collected lots of number before coming here and as usual 2/3 of girls just disappeared when i told them i arrived to AC. I really have no idea why girls do it. With some girls I almost talked everyday for 2 weeks , we made many plans o go Subic and even i offered to take them boracay. and as usual *they just ghosted as soon as i told them im in the town. Rest 1/3 still ok but nowhere near makati girls. About WS bars ;

Im in angeles for 2 days and i m planning to stay 2 weeks although my booking is one month.. my observations

- girls far less picky than Thailand. Many old white guys picked up 2 young slim girls in front of me.*
- barfine is 4K in most bar , all included. ( in pattaya , sensation gogo Barfine 1500 + long time 5000 , total 6500 baht ,which is more than double )
- BBFS and CIP is a norm. Even dont bother to ask.*
- girls are clean , their pussy doesnt smell bad that is different than *manila freelancers and semipros.*
- there are only fews *slim , attractive girls between 18-21 years old without baby damage. Not easy task to find and take them with you. I chatted with some but they behaved cold and i didnt take them although they answered they would come with me LT.*
- girls tend to leave in VERY early morning. As a general rule , I always ask when they will leave next day before barfining, almost all of them told me 06 AM or 07 AM . But then no reason for Long time if i have breakfast alone and no morning glory sex. Even mamasans involved and try to convince girls to stay with me at least next day until 12.00 but all of them refused. So i didnt barfine them. Again , i am interested only top tier girls , and i have a strict no baby damage rule ( it is flexible when im so horny or she is a freebie )[/QUOTE]I have to agree. AC is not what it used to be. It used to be fun to walk the streets and alleys and pop into the numerous small bars with juke-boxes, and flirting with the young hotties. Now, its a different game. You need to connect early on social media and build a list of potentials. That will get things going as the girls want to share you with friends as a peso provider. I avoid the walking street bars and sometimes visit the hole in the wall bars on perimeter road.

However, aside from the hunt, there is not much excitement for me at walking street or the mall. From reading this forum, persons that visited Subic enjoyed themselves more, given the seaside atmosphere and general environment.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2739367]I have to agree. AC is not what it used to be. It used to be fun to walk the streets and alleys and pop into the numerous small bars with juke-boxes, and flirting with the young hotties. Now, its a different game. You need to connect early on social media and build a list of potentials. That will get things going as the girls want to share you with friends as a peso provider. I avoid the walking street bars and sometimes visit the hole in the wall bars on perimeter road.

However, aside from the hunt, there is not much excitement for me at walking street or the mall. From reading this forum, persons that visited Subic enjoyed themselves more, given the seaside atmosphere and general environment.[/QUOTE]Such an apt description, Subic is so much more fun, being close to the beach brings out a natural smile on most people and the air is 100 x more breathable with a few trees around you compared to AC. The one downside (and that matters a lot for some on this forum) is the girls are far less attractive on average, so you need to look a little extra to get something to your liking. The party scene which is a big deal for me personally is very different but both extremes are enjoyable.

Will be back in AC soon still around the 20th even with all the complaints, it's better than staying home.

Did not know that booking provided for taxi service. See the pic of price from Makati to AC, about p6000 from your residence to your AC residence.

I realize that in the past you can find standby taxi drivers either at the airport arrivals area, or on the street, willing to take you door / door for 2500-3000. But with gasoline price hikes, I am no longer sure of prices. Anyone taken a taxi to AC in the past 6-ish months?

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2739311] ( trying to talk with host to make my stay shorter now )

AC is a dump.
- girls tend to leave in VERY early morning. As a general rule , I always ask when they will leave next day before barfining, almost all of them told me 06 AM or 07 AM . But then no reason for Long time if i have breakfast alone and no morning glory sex. Even mamasans involved and try to convince girls to stay with me at least next day until 12.00 but all of them refused. So i didnt barfine them. Again , i am interested only top tier girls , and i have a strict no baby damage rule ( it is flexible when im so horny or she is a freebie )[/QUOTE]This made me cry. On the positive side, you now know AC is a dump so no need for you to return. Leave it to the losers.

Girls, as you call them, have a life and they don't want to hang around with you all morning unless the meter is running on double time. If they stay until 7 am, it is only out of convenience.

If you want to hunt elephants, you have to go to elephant country or "top tier girls. No baby damage rule" country in your case. Go to Thailand and empty your pockets.

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2739367]I have to agree. AC is not what it used to be. It used to be fun to walk the streets and alleys and pop into the numerous small bars with juke-boxes, and flirting with the young hotties. Now, its a different game. You need to connect early on social media and build a list of potentials. That will get things going as the girls want to share you with friends as a peso provider. I avoid the walking street bars and sometimes visit the hole in the wall bars on perimeter road.

However, aside from the hunt, there is not much excitement for me at walking street or the mall. From reading this forum, persons that visited Subic enjoyed themselves more, given the seaside atmosphere and general environment.[/QUOTE]Are there any post-covid reviews of Perimeter Bars? Ie. Bars that are open, new pricing, quality, etc.

BeeWay Travel is what I've always taken. They raised their rate from Manila to AC to 3500. Completely worth it. Private car with AC and a courteous driver who doesn't chit chat.

All this talk about the 'woe is me barfines are 4000' and LT vs ST I find amusing. I've never even spoken the words Long Time in AC. They come, we have fun for a few hours, and if they want to go, they go. Hell I sleep better alone anyway. But I'd say 95% stay the night, sometimes to my annoyance.

The real cost issue right now is the price of the airfare. I've always gotten from LA to MNL for about $1500, they are now around $2600+ for December, which is when I plan to return. I'll still do it but I won't be happy about it.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2739535]Did not know that booking provided for taxi service. See the pic of price from Makati to AC, about p6000 from your residence to your AC residence.

I realize that in the past you can find standby taxi drivers either at the airport arrivals area, or on the street, willing to take you door / door for 2500-3000. But with gasoline price hikes, I am no longer sure of prices. Anyone taken a taxi to AC in the past 6-ish months?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2739679]BeeWay Travel is what I've always taken. They raised their rate from Manila to AC to 3500. Completely worth it. Private car with AC and a courteous driver who doesn't chit chat.

All this talk about the 'woe is me barfines are 4000' and LT vs ST I find amusing. I've never even spoken the words Long Time in AC. They come, we have fun for a few hours, and if they want to go, they go. Hell I sleep better alone anyway. But I'd say 95% stay the night, sometimes to my annoyance.

The real cost issue right now is the price of the airfare. I've always gotten from LA to MNL for about $1500, they are now around $2600+ for December, which is when I plan to return. I'll still do it but I won't be happy about it.[/QUOTE]I vouch for Beeway too.

BTW, United Airlines some December RT tickets around $2,000 depending on the dates. I like the one stop in NRT.

Either way from $1500 to $2600 is $37 a day. Well worth it to be bb in some warm and tight pinay pussy!

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2739679]...The real cost issue right now is the price of the airfare....[/QUOTE]I can't speak for US airfares but here prices are astronomical for the next 1 or 2 months but then start getting reasonable the further out the booking. No crazy cheap options like before but south of USD 600 return. Of course that returns to 3 or 4 x during the main holiday seasons.

I guess the secret it to avoid spur of the moment trips and the whole Christmas period.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2739703]I can't speak for US airfares but here prices are astronomical for the next 1 or 2 months but then start getting reasonable the further out the booking. No crazy cheap options like before but south of USD 600 return. Of course that returns to 3 or 4 x during the main holiday seasons.

I guess the secret it to avoid spur of the moment trips and the whole Christmas period.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Be careful of fuel costs supplements that can be added anytime before travel. Otherwise look at destinations closer to home.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2739775]Be careful of fuel costs supplements that can be added anytime before travel. Otherwise look at destinations closer to home.[/QUOTE]Is that a US thing? Never heard of them. Once I book and pay for a flight, the price is fixed.

The only price changes I've seen is if a flight is cancelled, I receive a credit but the new ticket may be at a different price. Sadly that happens all the time now with the airline chaos. Now I just cash out if there are any dramas as credit etc aren't worth the hassle.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2739698]I vouch for Beeway too.

BTW, United Airlines some December RT tickets around $2,000 depending on the dates. I like the one stop in NRT.

Either way from $1500 to $2600 is $37 a day. Well worth it to be bb in some warm and tight pinay pussy![/QUOTE]Yes it might be an extra $37 per day for air fare over a months stay, but what about the other daily costs that have sky rocketed.

Girl costs, flight costs, hotel costs, taxi costs, girlie drinks costs, tips costs.

I would guess even only having 1 older fattie per day over the month it would be easy to spend $250 per day or $7,500 for the month and that's taking it easy, want the better looker, or more than 1 girl per day, drink plenty and buy a few lady drinks, stay in a better hotel then those costs could reach $15,000 over the month.

Yes not cheap at all to be inside a pinay in the new Angeles.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2739909]Yes it might be an extra $37 per day for air fare over a months stay, but what about the other daily costs that have sky rocketed.

Girl costs, flight costs, hotel costs, taxi costs, girlie drinks costs, tips costs.

I would guess even only having 1 older fattie per day over the month it would be easy to spend $250 per day or $7,500 for the month and that's taking it easy, want the better looker, or more than 1 girl per day, drink plenty and buy a few lady drinks, stay in a better hotel then those costs could reach $15,000 over the month.

Yes not cheap at all to be inside a pinay in the new Angeles.[/QUOTE]I am sure FG has figured his budget to an acceptable level. He stated his only issue was the increased airfare cost of $1100 for December.

Per FG's posts, he stays at Central Park Hotel, is handsome, in good shape and gets a fair amount of free pussy. His costs may be considerably less than yours. Also he gets some pretty good looking girls and not fatties.

In conclusion his only issue was the $1100. BTW, the $1100 was not stopping him from going.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2739909]

Yes not cheap at all to be inside a pinay in the new Angeles.[/QUOTE]I take your point that AC is not longer the cheap pussy heaven that it was. Having said that, I don't know any non residents that take extended holidays in AC only. Certainly none that would be paying full barfines and day rates for 30 consecutive days.

A long weekend is about my limit. 30 days would send me crazy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2740040]I take your point that AC is not longer the cheap pussy heaven that it was. Having said that, I don't know any non residents that take extended holidays in AC only. Certainly none that would be paying full barfines and day rates for 30 consecutive days.

A long weekend is about my limit. 30 days would send me crazy.[/QUOTE]Exactly. 4 days is my limit. 2 girls per day. Beyond that its monotony.

I guess we're all different. A full month of eating, dancing, drinking, partying with locals, and bare sexing up a different 88 lb pinay every night is the farthest thing from monotony I can imagine.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2740179]Exactly. 4 days is my limit. 2 girls per day. Beyond that its monotony.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]A full month of eating...[/QUOTE]I must have missed the fine dining experiences in AC.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]...dancing...[/QUOTE]HiSo is now closed. Is there anywhere else still open?

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]...partying with locals....[/QUOTE]A bunch of single moms living large on my dime? No thanks.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]....bare sexing up a different 88 lb pinay every night....[/QUOTE]Ok. I'll give you that one.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]....is the farthest thing from monotony I can imagine.[/QUOTE]Good to hear 😊. I'm only joking. Ad you say, everyone is different so its great to read that you're enjoying yourself. 👍. I can certainly enjoy a few days, but more than that is too much of a good thing. 😜.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2740243]I guess we're all different. A full month of eating, dancing, drinking, partying with locals, and bare sexing up a different 88 lb pinay every night is the farthest thing from monotony I can imagine.[/QUOTE]Haha. Yes I guess we are different. I have yet to find decent food in AC. I don't drink a lot. I can't have a decent conversation with anybody and get sick of bar girl or tired old expat talk. The bare sexing of young pinays? Yup. Thats why I am there. 2 per day and then I'm good. Plus a decent massage at Reign each day is nice too. It also helps that I live in SIN where I can get access to Thai and Viet and Filipina women as well and also that I can go back to AC whenever I desire for a cheap short flight. I wouldn't bother to go to AC as a destination from US / EU anymore.

I barfined a girl 2 days ago and she told me she usually not at bar because customers book her always online before she goes bar. I asked how this is possible and she said there is an app for that. Next day I wanted to extend her and her manager came my condo. I paid bar fine for 2 days more and I asked that app. Manager said that app for Korean only.

Anyone know how this app works and we can use it also? The manager told me mostly stunners barfined without coming bar because I told her I cannot see real stunners in bars mostly.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2741034]Anyone know how this app works and we can use it also? The manager told me mostly stunners barfined without coming bar because I told her I cannot see real stunners in bars mostly.[/QUOTE]I don't know of any specific app (s) but all bars that I know can send you girls. Everywhere is different but most will respond to email, phone Facebook or WhatsApp enquiries.

How well the bar knows you will determine how and when you pay. Not AC, but in Sabang, I've kept many girls for several days and only paid at the end. Having said that, I was a frequent visitor with a good payment history.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2741034]Manager said that app for Korean only. The manager told me mostly stunners barfined without coming bar because I told her I cannot see real stunners in bars mostly.[/QUOTE]LOL. So the chicks are still there, they are just not at the bars. The Koreans got tired of you guys getting jealous and made an app so they would not even have to go to the bars. Genius!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741189]LOL. So the chicks are still there, they are just not at the bars. The Koreans got tired of you guys getting jealous and made an app so they would not even have to go to the bars. Genius![/QUOTE]I am not sure Koreans get tired of us. They love to show off splashing money and pretty girls and generally partying among themselves. In Angeles city they practically owns the place or they act like they do.

Ordering girls on the App from the bar? That is a new one on me. Must be the cost of barfine is higher. What I hear from the girls before is Koreans generally are not into staying in the room and fucking girls all day. Maybe this is a way to get the pretty girl before someone snatches her if she is in the bar. Previously they just came and reserved the girl by paying barfine and came back later to take her. Have not been to angeles for a few years now. Mostly going to Manila, cebu and others getting girls from DIA. Quite happy with this arrangement. Girls are pretty and totally GFE. Going to Philippines next month and have already lined up many girls. Not planning to go to angeles.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2741326]....Maybe this is a way to get the pretty girl before someone snatches her if she is in the bar. Previously they just came and reserved the girl by paying barfine and came back later to take her.....[/QUOTE]Or walking in at opening time and taking all the hotties. Sabang was famous for bars having lots of cuties but all the hottest being gone at 6:02.

+1 for Koreans wanting to be seen spending up with the cutest girls. I can't see being locked away alone in a hotel room and having internet girls sent directly to the door being too attractive to them.

Enjoy. G.

HiSo is now closed. Is there anywhere else still open?

Mega Dance club at the beginning of Walking street is similar to HiSo, pretty much the same staff and visitors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741189]The Koreans got tired of you guys getting jealous and made an app so they would not even have to go to the bars. Genius![/QUOTE]Stupid for the bars unless they are charging a high premium price for this. That is a ton of Korean and lady drinks money lost and raining money lost. If no hotties and just fuglies then I predict a lot less raining money and lady drinks. Guys will not buy a lot of drinks for an average girl and her average to ugly friend. Guys will buy more drinks for the hottie and her average or ugly friend.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2741326] They love to show off splashing money and pretty girls and generally partying among themselves. In Angeles city they practically owns the place or they act like they do.[/QUOTE]Koreans splash money to show off to the girls and their Korean friends. Everyone else cease to exist to them.

This is huge and you guys seem to miss it. Having their own Korean owned bars with many waitresses and bar girls ignoring non-Korean customers was not good enough. Now the girl does not have to go to the bar to wait for her customer which causes many problems for the rest of us. First, you do not have a chance to ever see her so you do not even know she exists to wait for her or ask for her. Second, since she is not waiting for her customer at the bar she is not bonding and making friends with the other girls. If she has friends in the bar then after her customer lets her go or on an off day she may stop by and hang out at the bar for an hour or so chatting with friends.

If she is hot she will hardly ever step foot in the bar. Koreans bar fine girls for several days and usually keep them all day and night. Now with the app she can be "taken" for weeks on end. Just fill out what days you want her on the calendar. Sam has her Sept 15-17 (back up / secondary customer Jon), Jay Sept 18-23 (backup / secondary customer Scott), and so forth.

Many reports already about guys not finding the hotties they used to. Once this app gets used more and more their will be less and less hotties, less guys going to the bars, less guys going to Angeles, and so forth. I think the bars are slitting their own throats because eventually the bar will not be needed to meet the girls. It will all be online.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2741608]If she is hot she will hardly ever step foot in the bar. Koreans bar fine girls for several days and usually keep them all day and night. Now with the app she can be "taken" for weeks on end. Just fill out what days you want her on the calendar. Sam has her Sept 15-17 (back up / secondary customer Jon), Jay Sept 18-23 (backup / secondary customer Scott), and so forth.

SNIP

I think the bars are slitting their own throats because eventually the bar will not be needed to meet the girls. It will all be online.[/QUOTE]New app name: 'Snatch-bnb'.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2741608]Stupid for the bars unless they are charging a high premium price for this. That is a ton of Korean and lady drinks money lost and raining money lost. If no hotties and just fuglies then I predict a lot less raining money and lady drinks. Guys will not buy a lot of drinks for an average girl and her average to ugly friend. Guys will buy more drinks for the hottie and her average or ugly friend.

Koreans splash money to show off to the girls and their Korean friends. Everyone else cease to exist to them.

This is huge and you guys seem to miss it.

Many reports already about guys not finding the hotties they used to. Once this app gets used more and more their will be less and less hotties, less guys going to the bars, less guys going to Angeles, and so forth. I think the bars are slitting their own throats because eventually the bar will not be needed to meet the girls. It will all be online.[/QUOTE]I will even out. This may actually make things better in the long run. Think of a gold rush. One dude finds gold and thousands rush to the west coast seeking their fortune. Word gets out that Koreans are paying big money and girls will flock to AC to make their fortune. You should be spreading the word "there's gold in them there hills. ".

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2741716]I will even out. This may actually make things better in the long run. Think of a gold rush. One dude finds gold and thousands rush to the west coast seeking their fortune. Word gets out that Koreans are paying big money and girls will flock to AC to make their fortune. You should be spreading the word "there's gold in them there hills. ".[/QUOTE]In the 10 years the Koreans have made more an more of an impact. Many bars owners, managers, and mamasans steer the girls towards the Koreans. They now own or run half the bars. The girls on stage wear more and more clothes and there are fewer girls on stage to look at. Prices are increasing faster and faster. Yet guys report less and less stunners so your gold theory is complete BS.

So in the past ten years can you explain one thing that has gotten better having the Koreans in reference to bar girls. Nobody comes to AC because all the massage parlors or Korean food so if that is making things better in the long run then it is a fail because that is not why we go to AC.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2741716]I will even out. This may actually make things better in the long run. Think of a gold rush. One dude finds gold and thousands rush to the west coast seeking their fortune. Word gets out that Koreans are paying big money and girls will flock to AC to make their fortune. You should be spreading the word "there's gold in them there hills. ".[/QUOTE]You can't keep watering down someone's beer and keep calling it beer, eventually its just water with a slight beer taste. This is my second day here, can't report on the past since I've never been here before but the talent in some of these bars was pretty low. Walked into Lolipop and the talent was just dreadful. Headed down and went into Dollhouse, better music and a more dimmed atmosphere which I liked but the girls on stage were just average. Went across the street to Q bar, slightly better talent level with a few cuties. Took one out for 3700 barfine, had a romp with her but her personality outside the bar just wasn't to my liking. Talked too much about being new to the scene which made me suspect she wasn't. Went into 123 club and the talent was a bit better but at the same time the club setup didn't allow me to view all of the girls on the stage. Next day hit club XS and enjoyed the shows they were putting on especially the electric tape outfits the one group of girls were wearing. Left there then went down to Bamboo club and bought drinks for a cutie who turned out was barfined at the start of her shift and the guy was coming back at 1 am to pick her up.

Can't say I've ever experienced buying a girl a drink and then being told she was already barfined and the guy would be back at 1 am. That can rub customers the wrong way if the girl they think is available isn't but is still working the bar. Its a different type of hunt for girls when your living here, there's no need to take a girl every night like there is when you are a weekend millionaire. So its fun to sit and watch the guys going about their business, leading girls away or up to the short time room. Talent in the street is pretty good, see some cute girls going this way and that way. Many on the arms of Koreans, a scattered few on the arms of other foreigners. It's an interesting trip so far, something new. I flew up from Cebu so didn't have to deal with a long bus ride to get here from Manila. Pretty sure the Koreans have a direct flight to Clarke so guessing that's why they are now here in droves. I was wondering about those man purses the Koreans carry, a woman boards a flight and she can bring a small carry on along with her purse. Is it the same with a man purse? And all over the world men carry wallets and put stuff in pockets. How is it that Koreans and Japanese men talked themselves into carrying these purses? You go around Asia you don't see the men in other countries going along with this trend. I have seen YouTube videos where the record hidden video of these establishments, maybe some of those purses are used to record the girls.

Another observation was that upon landing I turned on my phone and the Grab app quoted me 150 peso's to my hotel. But that was out on the landing strip. Once I got into the terminal and fired up the app that price jumped to 300 peso's for a ride in a trike that wouldn't be there for 20 minutes. Its the same high prices for getting a car in Cebu using Grab, there are no motorbike options on the Grab app like there is in Thailand. I did manage to install the Angkas app and order a motorbike to pick me up and drop me off in Cebu, unfortunately that app doesn't work yet in Angeles.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2741608]Stupid for the bars unless they are charging a high premium price for this. That is a ton of Korean and lady drinks money lost and raining money lost. If no hotties and just fuglies then I predict a lot less raining money and lady drinks. Guys will not buy a lot of drinks for an average girl and her average to ugly friend. Guys will buy more drinks for the hottie and her average or ugly friend.
.[/QUOTE]Hate to break it to you but the fuglies, as you pejoratively call them, are the backbone of any bar. They do most of the work. The young star fish get bar fined early and think their average looks in an eternal meal ticket. When you hang all these hookers upside down, they all look the same.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2741716]I will even out. This may actually make things better in the long run. Think of a gold rush. One dude finds gold and thousands rush to the west coast seeking their fortune. Word gets out that Koreans are paying big money and girls will flock to AC to make their fortune. You should be spreading the word "there's gold in them there hills. ".[/QUOTE]I think you will find that in the modern world all a pretty girl has do do is put her picture on a dating site where she will have every desperate lonely heart around the world sending her large sums just to chat and get the illusion that a pretty girl actually likes them, all without having to meet up or to leave home for the girl.

Sex apps or no sex apps anything young, slim and cute in angeles city is asian only as has been confirmed by many.

Unfortunately what is left for the westerner is what the asian don't want normally the older, fatter plain girls.

Yes the reality of angeles city for the westerner is a pain And its only going to get worse with the arrival of more high spending asians, the only way to somehow enjoy angeles as it is today is to pack far more money, lower ones girl expectations and accept that as westerners we are not top dog any more.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2741766]Can't say I've ever experienced buying a girl a drink and then being told she was already barfined and the guy would be back at 1 am. That can rub customers the wrong way if the girl they think is available isn't but is still working the bar.[/QUOTE]OMG it has been awhile I forgot about all my questions I had before I would buy a ladydrink.

Yours first. "Are you barfined already tonight?

"Do you go out and sex with customers?" Some say they have a BF and only there to dance and drink.

"Virgin?

"Menstruation?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2741794]Hate to break it to you but the fuglies, as you pejoratively call them, are the backbone of any bar. They do most of the work. The young star fish get bar fined early and think their average looks in an eternal meal ticket. [/QUOTE]Many guys will settle for less quality looks when it gets late at night. Also, drunk guys may take just about anything. But AC bars do not exist because we want to travel across the globe for fuglies. We travel half way around the world to find stunners or the hope of finding one. As soon as a western guy makes two trips to AC and does not find one stunner he will not be returning. Maybe even after one trip. If the quality problems we keep reading about continue more and bars will close. I will open a bar and name it stunners and fill it with stunners. You open a bar named average older chicks and fill it with average older chicks. Hate to break it to you but you are clueless.

Since 2018 I was about 5 times in this shithole AC. Last time in June. And this was the best trip ever! Sadly only a few days, because I wasted my most time in Cebu.

But I never did any Barfine in my trips! Just fucked only FL. But the idea coming to the dirthole AC from Europe to only fuck FL there is also strange for me, but I did it anyway.

I never had a Problem finding Teenies without Babies there. I had a few of them every trip.

But I just recently reached my 3th Decade and I'm blond and skinny. Maybe this makes a difference here.

Last trip in June they jumped on me, they wanted to stay LT and don't wanted to leave. They all gave me DFK, which I haven't had so much in my trips before. This was the best experience I had in AC and I never paid more than 1,5 k ST and 3 LK LT. They are every time someone asking for more, but I never pay it. Some accept my price also not immediately, but the next day. They were for for sure thin and no babies. See pics.

But the long and costly travel for Europa to AC is the big minus. And still every time you have some not so good experiences and in AC. But it happens everywhere. Everytime I was there I also meet smelly pussies, also with the "high tier" girls. This is something I noticed so often only in AC and this is often killing the mood.

But still there are some without.

The only thing which is bringing me back to AC is the easy availability of BBFS. Without that no way I would go there again!

The bars owned by Koreans are not there to make money off 300 peso drinks and 3500 peso bar fines. They are all fronts for laundering profits made off the drug trade. Cash transactions, opaque accounting and a compliant, corrupt local police force and government make it easy for the drug lords to clean their dirty money. The owners personally don't care if the girls are ugly or pretty or whether old westerners are happy. Just think, since time immemorial, has any legitimate businessman entered the flesh trade?

In the old days, many old, divorced westerners with no commercial acumen bought bars to live out a childhood fantasy. Free beer, free pussy, lots of mates, an exotic location and a chance to make millions. But that was 30 years ago.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2741802]Yes the reality of angeles city for the westerner is a pain And its only going to get worse with the arrival of more high spending asians, the only way to somehow enjoy angeles as it is today is to pack far more money, lower ones girl expectations and accept that as westerners we are not top dog any more.[/QUOTE]Words and sentiments that were being spoken 7-8 years ago on the board as we were in the midst of watching the change happen. The Korean were taking more control, the girls were getting fuglier, barfine prices were increasing. Seems we are re-acquainting ourselves with something that occurred before pandemic.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2741905]OMG it has been awhile I forgot about all my questions I had before I would buy a ladydrink.

Yours first. "Are you barfined already tonight?

"Do you go out and sex with customers?" Some say they have a BF and only there to dance and drink.

"Virgin?

"Menstruation?[/QUOTE]Cut faster to the chase by asking the mamasan these questions before calling a girl over to you. Tell her you are only interested in girls willing to barfine TONIGHT. Not interested in Virgin, mens, already barfined. You can call the mama over and ask that even before you order a drink.

You don't need to buy any drinks in order to barfine a girl. The bar routine of: Buy yourself a drink, call a girl to your table and guy her a drink, chat the girl to see if you like each other, decide to barfine her or not, if not send her back and call another girl, lather/rinse/repeat. That entire system is set up by the bars (much like a system is in place at casinos to keep you losing your money), not by you. Have we learned nothing from the Koreans? They send 1 of their mates to the bar when it opens, to see a lineup of girls. He chooses one girl for each of the number of his mates, and he barfines them all at once. Did he buy himself or the girls a drink?

Alternately, grab the first passing GRO and tell her *exactly* what you are looking for in tonight's barfine: Anal, no durex, stays till 9 am, camera, phone off while sleeping, blah, blah, blah. Let the GRO be your provider (don't be afraid to tip).

One of the problems with the approach I have mentioned above is: Its very business-like. Chatting up some gents, they are the opposite of business-like in choosing tonight's girl. He is looking for a 'good fit', or a girl that he is comfortable with. The only way to determine if he is comfortable with her is to chat her up some with general chat. THAT will require at least one drink, and possibly more as he doesn't 'fit' with the first gal and must chat up a second or third girl to find one that he's comfortable with. Its just a different approach than what I suggest.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2741905]We travel half way around the world to find stunners or the hope of finding one. As soon as a western guy makes two trips to AC and does not find one stunner he will not be returning. Maybe even after one trip. If the quality problems we keep reading about continue more and bars will close. I will open a bar and name it stunners and fill it with stunners. You open a bar named average older chicks and fill it with average older chicks. Hate to break it to you but you are clueless.[/QUOTE]Respectfully I am going to disagree with this. I like stunners as much as the next guy, but I'm fine with any spinner with a good attitude. Also I'm not hung up on age. Heard quite a few gents on the board and also while having a drink say things like: "I target 18-21", and such. I don't really have a skinny target range. More likely to keep me away from AC is its dull daytime.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2742031]

Alternately, grab the first passing GRO and tell her *exactly* what you are looking for in tonight's barfine: Anal, no durex, stays till 9 am, camera, phone off while sleeping, blah, blah, blah. Let the GRO be your provider (don't be afraid to tip).[/QUOTE]Excellent advice.

During my last trip a waitress probably noticed my bored face while watching the lineup and asked if she could help. I described what I wanted and voila out from the shadows was produced a cutie who was supposedly visiting on her day off. We made private arrangements and had a good time. Tipped the pimping waitress well, of course, but I guess she also got a cut from the pimpee. Whatever, a productive time was had by all.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2742035]Excellent advice.

During my last trip a waitress probably noticed my bored face while watching the lineup and asked if she could help. I described what I wanted and voila out from the shadows was produced a cutie who was supposedly visiting on her day off. We made private arrangements and had a good time. Tipped the pimping waitress well, of course, but I guess she also got a cut from the pimpee. Whatever, a productive time was had by all.[/QUOTE]A re-telling of a post from back then. Walked into the bar across from Kokomo's (Tyhoon? The other one started with the letter P -- Passion? Can't remember the name). They have a long, curved, snaking, raised girlie dance line. I sit at a stool at the conga-lined girls, and before the waitress comes I ask one of the dancers to find me a girl who can do items J, K, L, and M. "Oh sir I don't do anal. But that girl over there? Long hair? Gemma. She will do it. She need barfine tonight to pay her rent they going to kick her to the street". She ran and grabbed Gemma and brought her to me thru the snake-line of flesh. Twenty seconds later Gemma was agreeing to a barfine. When the waitress showed to take the drink order, no drink was needed, just the barfine ticket. When Gemma came out dressed in street clothes, we spoke with the mama about Gemma's agreement to J, K, L, and M. Everyone nodded in the affirmative. A great time was had by me. This worked so well that I repeated it in many bars where the customer can sit directly in front of the dancers and touch them -- Body Shop, Butterfly Rock, PonyTails.

Working an agreement like mine or PN's was never difficult. Also, gogo girls often have friends either in or out of the biz who can swing by another day for J, K, L, and M (my rule of thumb on price for these extra-judicial visits was generally half the barfine amount or less).

I've always suspected this, and if true we should probably be thankful. If these places had to turn a legitimate profit they'd probably all go away quickly.

I've told this story before but it may be relevant in this context. In HiSo around 2019 there was an extremely well dressed lady in her late 30's in the elevated VIP section (east side of the bar). She had bottle service and a bunch of food and what I would call 3 'henchwomen' to whom she would hand out blue bills and have them do her bidding throughout the night. One of these women approached me on the dance floor and informed me that the lady would like to invite me over and meet me. I sat with them for about an hour while she bought me food and drinks and during our conversation she revealed that she and her husband owned many of the girl bars in Angeles City. In hindsight she did look exactly like what you would think a drug kingpin's wife would look like. Later one of the henchwomen took me aside and told me that the lady would like to take me back to her place and be with me for the night. I approached the main lady and said with the most sincerity that I could muster, that I unfortunately had other plans for the night (I didn't) and regretfully had to decline. I left, trying not to look like I was in a hurry. In hindsight I think I made the right decision.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2742017]The bars owned by Koreans are not there to make money off 300 peso drinks and 3500 peso bar fines. They are all fronts for laundering profits made off the drug trade. Cash transactions, opaque accounting and a compliant, corrupt local police force and government make it easy for the drug lords to clean their dirty money. The owners personally don't care if the girls are ugly or pretty or whether old westerners are happy. Just think, since time immemorial, has any legitimate businessman entered the flesh trade?

[/QUOTE]

In the larger bars and especially the ones that are owned by groups that own many bars that employ hundreds of girls spread over many bars which revolve their staff almost daily then most mamas / waitresses will probably not even have met most of the girls she works with that night so can offer very little truthful help.

Even if the mama / waitress knows all the girls she has no power over who the girl chooses, she might say kind words but if the bargirl does not find one attractive, does not feel well, does not get a good vibe, wants st when the punter wants LT etc then no amount of introduction will seal the deal IMHO.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2741941]Since 2018 I was about 5 times in this shithole AC. Last time in June. And this was the best trip ever! Sadly only a few days, because I wasted my most time in Cebu.

But I never did any Barfine in my trips! Just fucked only FL. But the idea coming to the dirthole AC from Europe to only fuck FL there is also strange for me, but I did it anyway.

I never had a Problem finding Teenies without Babies there. I had a few of them every trip.

But I just recently reached my 3th Decade and I'm blond and skinny. Maybe this makes a difference here.

Last trip in June they jumped on me, they wanted to stay LT and don't wanted to leave. They all gave me DFK, which I haven't had so much in my trips before. This was the best experience I had in AC and I never paid more than 1,5 k ST and 3 LK LT. They are every time someone asking for more, but I never pay it. Some accept my price also not immediately, but the next day. They were for for sure thin and no babies. See pics.

But the long and costly travel for Europa to AC is the big minus. And still every time you have some not so good experiences and in AC. But it happens everywhere. Everytime I was there I also meet smelly pussies, also with the "high tier" girls. This is something I noticed so often only in AC and this is often killing the mood.

But still there are some without.

The only thing which is bringing me back to AC is the easy availability of BBFS. Without that no way I would go there again![/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, if you could help out with a couple of quick questions I'd be grateful.

- what was your preferred method for looking for FL, pinalove? Or other sites?

- why say Cebu was wasted time considering you're only looking for FL and not barfines?

- and last, by saying you're in your 3rd decade you mean 30+ I suppose? (as that would be 4th decade).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2742017]The bars owned by Koreans .....[/QUOTE]Shit, you're still alive. Welcome back. 😉.

[QUOTE=Resler91;2742063]Thanks for the report, if you could help out with a couple of quick questions I'd be grateful.

- what was your preferred method for looking for FL, pinalove? Or other sites?

- why say Cebu was wasted time considering you're only looking for FL and not barfines?

- and last, by saying you're in your 3rd decade you mean 30+ I suppose? (as that would be 4th decade).[/QUOTE]I searched through PL, Wechat and Tantan. Best success with PL. But old contacts from other trips where the best sources. They introduced me to their friends and they to their friends and so on. This snowball system is really the best. You can do it with facebook also. Add some hokers and then add the friends of them. You can already see from the pics, that they are FL.

In Cebu I found the Amount of FL poor in Comparison to AC and they where not so eager to jump quickly in my bed, as in AC. You had to text with them for longer periods and I don't have patience for that. I want to fuck quickly.

Yes, I'm 31.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2742112]Shit, you're still alive. Welcome back.[/QUOTE]Well, there's been nothing to report for nearly 3-years. Just lining up a few good prospects. So who knows? One is a nice looking IG model, but she says I need to meet her elder sister and brother-in-law first and seek their permission before she will fuck me.

LOL. I will have to decline.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2742031]Respectfully I am going to disagree with this. I like stunners as much as the next guy, but I'm fine with any spinner with a good attitude. Also I'm not hung up on age. Heard quite a few gents on the board and also while having a drink say things like: "I target 18-21", and such. I don't really have a skinny target range. More likely to keep me away from AC is its dull daytime.[/QUOTE]You are the exception not the rule. Older guys and guys that live there do not care as much because they can get a stunner any time they want really. But two week millionaires do not go mongering all around the world seeking average girls! Guys on a budget but only have 2 weeks vacation per year are not taking that long expensive flight to spend two weeks with girls that are ok looking. I have been with both levels of girls. But I do not go showing pictures and bragging to my buddies about the average girls I was with, only the stunners that cause my friends to drool and doubt me at the same time.

Yes, many bars are money laundering fronts I am sure. But if they have so much money to launder then I would think they would need more bars to spread and hide the wealth rather than less bars, and less and less bars is what is happening.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2742333]You are the exception not the rule. Older guys and guys that live there do not care as much because they can get a stunner any time they want really. But two week millionaires do not go mongering all around the world seeking average girls! Guys on a budget but only have 2 weeks vacation per year are not taking that long expensive flight to spend two weeks with girls that are ok looking. I have been with both levels of girls. But I do not go showing pictures and bragging to my buddies about the average girls I was with, only the stunners that cause my friends to drool and doubt me at the same time.

Yes, many bars are money laundering fronts I am sure. But if they have so much money to launder then I would think they would need more bars to spread and hide the wealth rather than less bars, and less and less bars is what is happening.[/QUOTE]Older retirees in AC on military pensions or other social security from their home countries prefer to drink beer and tell war stories with their mates. Not many of them are chasing top tier pussy. For older mongers like me, girls attitude is far more important than pure looks. I've had the best times with 6's and 7's and lousy times with 10's. You can easily get 10's by searching IG and paying upwards of 20 k for a root. Not hard to do.

Bars are only one way to launder drug profits. The Philippines has lots of casinos. The Chinese and Koreans are not playing with their own money. The syndicates tell them to lose 20% so that they can take 80%. Shit, I come from a rich white man country, and all the casinos just exist to clean Chinese drug profits. Some of them are in danger of losing their licenses. I can only imagine the how murky the situation in Manila or AC would be. Crypto currency also now makes it easy to launder money.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2742333]You are the exception not the rule. [/QUOTE]If I could just get the *ladies* to say that. . .

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2742302]but she says I need to meet her elder sister and brother-in-law first and seek their permission before she will fuck me.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Best one-liner of the year on this board. "I will ask the husband of my sister I can f*ck to you".

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2742465]If I could just get the *ladies* to say that. . .

Hahaha. Best one-liner of the year on this board. "I will ask the husband of my sister I can f*ck to you".[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr Westie. The girl lives with her elder sister and brother in law. The big sister controls every aspect of her life, including what modeling assignments she can take, what pictures she can post and whom she meets. Big sister also takes a cut of her income. The girl is 27 and is still subject to curfews. She is sometimes grounded for insubordination. There is no way I can meet or fuck this girl without getting the big sisters blessing. The brother in law is an American, so I doubt a bottle of 200 peso Tanduay rhum as a bribe is going to do the trick. LOL. Please see text extract.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2742385]Older retirees in AC on military pensions or other social security from their home countries prefer to drink beer and tell war stories with their mates. Not many of them are chasing top tier pussy. For older mongers like me, girls attitude is far more important than pure looks. [/QUOTE]Philippines has something and someone for everyone. That there is a place where (we) old farts can sit around, drink, tell stories, have a pretty GF less than half our age, get meals cooked, house cleaned and do it every day. Sounds like nirvana. The girls that are suited to the retiree scene are not the Dollhouse spotlight girls.

There are so many different communities in AC which all have their own way.

Five days here so far and haven't even hit all of the bars on walking street. Bars are filled with a reality good mix of women from good lookers to not so good. There are many great lookers working in some of the bars, many many walking in the street. I am pleasantly surprised at the scene, beer is cheap at Kokomos only 75 pesos which gives you a great place to people watch and possibly pick up girls walking by. Haven't even hit any perimeter bars, maybe next trip. Is it worth coming out here. I'd say yes. My guess is many province girls come here vs Manila for cheaper rent.

Question is if you live here so you get more action at a cheaper price? Are there more girls here than in Manila that will come to your place for a cheaper price? I'd have to guess not. More bars here than Burgos but also so so many Koreans overspending and ruining the scene. I can say that the dating sites have way for girls in Manila compared to Angeles.

It would be an interesting option to live here for a few months if you could get a room near walking street.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2741034]I barfined a girl 2 days ago and she told me she usually not at bar because customers book her always online before she goes bar. I asked how this is possible and she said there is an app for that. Next day I wanted to extend her and her manager came my condo. I paid bar fine for 2 days more and I asked that app. Manager said that app for Korean only.

Anyone know how this app works and we can use it also? The manager told me mostly stunners barfined without coming bar because I told her I cannot see real stunners in bars mostly.[/QUOTE]I think the app is called Instagram or iMessage. Girls were heavily into Yahoo Instant Messenger back in 2010 and have been more into setting up dates online every time I returned. I can only imagine what it is like after being away for 6 years. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to returning.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2741766]Many on the arms of Koreans, a scattered few on the arms of other foreigners. It's an interesting trip so far, something new. I flew up from Cebu so didn't have to deal with a long bus ride to get here from Manila. Pretty sure the Koreans have a direct flight to Clarke so guessing that's why they are now here in droves. I was wondering about those man purses the Koreans carry, a woman boards a flight and she can bring a small carry on along with her purse. Is it the same with a man purse? And all over the world men carry wallets and put stuff in pockets. How is it that Koreans and Japanese men talked themselves into carrying these purses? You go around Asia you don't see the men in other countries going along with this trend. I have seen YouTube videos where the record hidden video of these establishments, maybe some of those purses are used to record the girls.[/QUOTE]As someone else already mentioned, establishments like Walking Street AC is a hub for money laundering by the Koreans, just the same as it is in Nana Bangkok with the Japanese, just the same as Cowboy Bangkok with the Iranians, and the Russians and Indians in Pattaya. There is an underworld that is unknown to most sex tourists, a darker side of things. As a sex tourist, you just go about your business, spend money, and don't complain or start trouble. Take whatever scraps that are left for you when the "bosses" preferred clientele have had their fun and first choice. It is how it works everywhere in the world. Try pushing in on the Japanese clubs or massages at Shinjuku and see what happens. Those with the power will always get the best, but they leave enough for the rest to get by. The Korean thing with AC has been going on for more than 4-5 years in the making. Better to just ride the ride, than disappear minus a kidney. Or fall off a balcony somewhere in Thailand. The high level ones don't fight. They have their methods to make everything look accidental.

And with the man purse it all depends on what they have to carry I guess. 2 phones, loose coin bag, wallet, passport, pills, baggies with powder, bundles of cash etc etc. All of that looks and feels kind of silly in 3 tight pant pockets. You are kind of behind in the times when it comes to messenger bags. Ask Indiana Jones. LOL.

[URL]https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery/history-of-the-man-bag[/URL]

So guys who either intentionally or unintentionally have children now, how did that work out? What would you say the best platform is to find a pinay that wants to setup having a white baby. Really getting into the ideal of setting up a home base in a couple countries. Women aren't loyal so far as I can so it's less about an LTR and more about finding a woman that is open to the idea of a LDR family. Have a wife already and she said she's done having kids (I have enough for our house at least). One of the first flips I talked to about this said it was "low. " LOL. I've dialed it back a bit and started talking to them more like romantic partners, but these girls are on Tinder. I would never send a dime to any of these women before a DNA test, so that pretty much rules out any games so far as I'm concerned, but am curious on input. Figure there's got to be at least a couple flips that love the idea of getting knocked up with my wife in the room. Found one in the states that was big into being the cuckcake and did a BBFSCIP for $80. When she started posting again she looked like she had some weight on her and a minivan LOL. Since that point on I was hooked on the idea.

I try to keep it respectful to everyone.

Landed yesterday and took a look at at least 10 bars. I'm surprised by the low quality of women here. I could say 98% of single moms. Am I the only one who can differentiate a single mom from a girl easily by the face or gentlemen who like this shithole really don't care? Burgos in Makati has at least few girls without babies in every bar, yeah not all hot but you can find your type there. Manila is much much better specially the online game. It's been only 2-3 years that I am recognizing single moms from girls easily and get turned off by the earlier. Planning to hit Bangkok and Pattaya later, hope the bars are not full of single moms.

Like Angeles.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2742333]You are the exception not the rule. Older guys and guys that live there do not care as much because they can get a stunner any time they want really. But two week millionaires do not go mongering all around the world seeking average girls! Guys on a budget but only have 2 weeks vacation per year are not taking that long expensive flight to spend two weeks with girls that are ok looking. I have been with both levels of girls. But I do not go showing pictures and bragging to my buddies about the average girls I was with, only the stunners that cause my friends to drool and doubt me at the same time.

.[/QUOTE]I don't think he is the exception. I look much more for attitude than looks. Almost always the hottest girls have the worst attitudes. ID rather pick a 7 with a great attitude over a snotty 9 any day. A good attitude 7 is a 9 in my book and crappy attitude 9 is a 2.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2742798]
It would be an interesting option to live here for a few months if you could get a room near walking street.[/QUOTE]There are rooms anywhere but if you are living there then I suggest people get further away from Walking St. Normal girls will judge you if you are staying near Walking St. There are many local girls that will ignore profiles when the guy is a tourist or only in town for two weeks. When they have seen you at SM, seen you on dating sites for month then that opens up a whole new demographic of talent.

A longer stay also means you can have non-pressure dates with normal girls. The girls that just want to see you are normal on the first meet. They go home and are then keen to see you for sex after that.

Being there for an extended period also means you can invite in normal girls from Bataan or Tarlac.

If you are of working age then a few hours work at a call center can also keep you interested.

[QUOTE=ElmerFuddness;2743140]So guys who either intentionally or unintentionally have children now, how did that work out? What would you say the best platform is to find a pinay that wants to setup having a white baby. Really getting into the ideal of setting up a home base in a couple countries. Women aren't loyal so far as I can so it's less about an LTR and more about finding a woman that is open to the idea of a LDR family. Have a wife already and she said she's done having kids (I have enough for our house at least). One of the first flips I talked to about this said it was "low. " LOL. I've dialed it back a bit and started talking to them more like romantic partners, but these girls are on Tinder. I would never send a dime to any of these women before a DNA test, so that pretty much rules out any games so far as I'm concerned, but am curious on input. Figure there's got to be at least a couple flips that love the idea of getting knocked up with my wife in the room. Found one in the states that was big into being the cuckcake and did a BBFSCIP for $80. When she started posting again she looked like she had some weight on her and a minivan LOL. Since that point on I was hooked on the idea.[/QUOTE]Fucking hell Elmer! You're a mad man. I love it! I can't imagine this will be tough to find in the Phils. They love western features and would love a sponsor. Keep us posted.

[QUOTE=ElmerFuddness;2743140]So guys who either intentionally or unintentionally have children now, how did that work out? What would you say the best platform is to find a pinay that wants to setup having a white baby. Really getting into the ideal of setting up a home base in a couple countries. Women aren't loyal so far as I can so it's less about an LTR and more about finding a woman that is open to the idea of a LDR family. Have a wife already and she said she's done having kids (I have enough for our house at least). One of the first flips I talked to about this said it was "low. " LOL. I've dialed it back a bit and started talking to them more like romantic partners, but these girls are on Tinder. I would never send a dime to any of these women before a DNA test, so that pretty much rules out any games so far as I'm concerned, but am curious on input. Figure there's got to be at least a couple flips that love the idea of getting knocked up with my wife in the room. Found one in the states that was big into being the cuckcake and did a BBFSCIP for $80. When she started posting again she looked like she had some weight on her and a minivan LOL. Since that point on I was hooked on the idea.[/QUOTE]Some of you guys don't need to multiply.

[QUOTE=ElmerFuddness;2743140]So guys who either intentionally or unintentionally have children now, how did that work out? What would you say the best platform is to find a pinay that wants to setup having a white baby. Really getting into the ideal of setting up a home base in a couple countries. Women aren't loyal so far as I can so it's less about an LTR and more about finding a woman that is open to the idea of a LDR family. Have a wife already and she said she's done having kids (I have enough for our house at least). One of the first flips I talked to about this said it was "low. " LOL. I've dialed it back a bit and started talking to them more like romantic partners, but these girls are on Tinder. I would never send a dime to any of these women before a DNA test, so that pretty much rules out any games so far as I'm concerned, but am curious on input. Figure there's got to be at least a couple flips that love the idea of getting knocked up with my wife in the room. Found one in the states that was big into being the cuckcake and did a BBFSCIP for $80. When she started posting again she looked like she had some weight on her and a minivan LOL. Since that point on I was hooked on the idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2743529]Some of you guys don't need to multiply.[/QUOTE]And I'm probably one of them.

Not sure I understood the gist of EF's post. Is this about unintended kids? Or alternately about having separate families in different countries simultaneously? Or sexing pinay while his wife is in the room?

EF's post reminded of a scene in movie Bull Durham. Millie has just f*cked the baseball team's newest pitcher in the bathroom before the game. Wild sex scene, standing up, crashing into the CR walls and such. Now she's sitting in the stands watching the game with her female friend Annie, watching the new pitcher throw wild pitches:

Annie: "So. How was he"?

Millie: "Well he f*cks like he pitches. All over the place".

[QUOTE=ElmerFuddness;2743140]So guys who either intentionally or unintentionally have children now, how did that work out? What would you say the best platform is to find a pinay that wants to setup having a white baby. Really getting into the ideal of setting up a home base in a couple countries. Women aren't loyal so far as I can so it's less about an LTR and more about finding a woman that is open to the idea of a LDR family. Have a wife already and she said she's done having kids (I have enough for our house at least). One of the first flips I talked to about this said it was "low. " LOL. I've dialed it back a bit and started talking to them more like romantic partners, but these girls are on Tinder. I would never send a dime to any of these women before a DNA test, so that pretty much rules out any games so far as I'm concerned, but am curious on input. Figure there's got to be at least a couple flips that love the idea of getting knocked up with my wife in the room. Found one in the states that was big into being the cuckcake and did a BBFSCIP for $80. When she started posting again she looked like she had some weight on her and a minivan LOL. Since that point on I was hooked on the idea.[/QUOTE]If you have really white skin and blue eyes once you let it known you want to have kids with a Filipina you won't be able to keep them away!

[QUOTE=XBoyX;2743157]I try to keep it respectful to everyone.

Landed yesterday and took a look at at least 10 bars. I'm surprised by the low quality of women here. I could say 98% of single moms. Am I the only one who can differentiate a single mom from a girl easily by the face or gentlemen who like this shithole really don't care? Burgos in Makati has at least few girls without babies in every bar, yeah not all hot but you can find your type there. Manila is much much better specially the online game. It's been only 2-3 years that I am recognizing single moms from girls easily and get turned off by the earlier. Planning to hit Bangkok and Pattaya later, hope the bars are not full of single moms.

Like Angeles.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately its not very hard to be disappointed with what Angeles city has to offer.

For guys that are looking for no baby girls then it is an uphill struggle, for those that look for no baby, slim, younger and attractive then even harder, one will have to hunt high and low over many hours and many bars to find such.

The problems don't end there, most no baby, younger, slim attractive girls are either Cherrie girls (virgins) drinks only girls or Asian only girls.

For those like myself who refuse to settle for less than I want or like then barhops in Angeles can get boring real quick, for those that are not fussy and easily pleased then its not too hard to find a bed partner.

Have several expat friends who have such low standards that I would not leave them alone in a room with my 93 year old grandmother for fear of them hitting on her, of course these same guys are quick to report of the stunner they supposedly always get.

Talk by some guys of the better looking girls being less good in bed than ugly girls has not been my experience, the trouble in the new Angeles is finding hot girls that will barfine in the first place, once found then no complaints in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=SethMacfarlane;2743502]Fucking hell Elmer! You're a mad man. I love it! I can't imagine this will be tough to find in the Phils. They love western features and would love a sponsor. Keep us posted.[/QUOTE]Well. At least online this isn't as simple or clear. It does seem like a good portion of them online do want support, but they want it as a girlfriend or "wife. " And many of those drop away once they aren't the primary. If I've learned anything through all my time with women, it is that they are very guarded about a man's attention when it comes to provisioning in any way. I've grinded the wife on this a bit and basically mongering in another country is a lower offense than having a steamy lunch date down the road. The relationship part of it, no matter how small is the larger offense of it all. Sort of a flip side of how we feel. I couldn't care less how many lunch dates a woman has with a man, how steamy they are.

Anyways, from my searches, I get the impression that many of these girls are accustomed to a large degree of chicanery and this is one of those things that is much much harder to fake, and pretty much can't be faked at all. I've got 2 hooks so far (out of 30+ generally interested), but I don't know how serious they are. Using the 30% rule, I figure I'll need at least 21 of them by vacation of next year to have 7 who will show up. Either way that was using Tinder fairly moderately, so I suppose if I hit this harder and on more platforms I'll have more than enough potentials. True limit is the amount of time and how lucky I am with anyone's respective cycle.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2743554]And I'm probably one of them.

Or alternately about having separate families in different countries simultaneously?
[/QUOTE]Mainly this. Somehow before my 40's I've checked off pretty much everything off my bucket list and now I'm down to firehosing it, looking for twins, sisters, mom & daughter, having a black kid, Indian kid etc etc. Would like to be taken seriously in my musical endevours, and after that I can consider my trip through life over. I did live hard and fast and it sort of caught up to me and changed my perspective a bit. So I suppose no matter how you look at it, this is somewhat about a legacy. My feelings about the "old books" legacy is thoroughly destroyed, in terms of "raising my kids" and all that. Old models of male prestige are dead and so I'm living for myself. But at the end of the day I've learned the strongest red pill is that no one has your back as a man, period. If you're living to be the good man and "do the right thing" and all that, you better be doing it for you and yourself. Because you're not putting that time and money into a piggy bank, you're throwing it into a well. I lived a long time under the matra of doing everything I could for a women and trying to be the good guy and came to the conclusion there is literally zero benefit to doing that, zero. Honestly, less than zero. I keep telling my wife not to threaten me with a good time because PI is calling me.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2743622]

For guys that are looking for no baby girls then it is an uphill struggle... [/QUOTE]There are two types of girls in bars. Single mom's and girls without stretch marks. 😉.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2743622]Unfortunately its not very hard to be disappointed with what Angeles city has to offer. For those like myself who refuse to settle for less than I want or like then barhops in Angeles can get boring real quick, for those that are not fussy and easily pleased then its not too hard to find a bed partner.
[/QUOTE]I too found a mixed bag when I visited AC. I was people watching at Kokomos and I'd see a cute girl walk into a gogo and later I'd see her on the stage and would be unimpressed. From what I could gather is was bigger breasts along with larger butts, rarely would I see large breasts with a slim figure. There were some nice slim girls with great bodies that I barfined while in Angeles, took three different girls and only one had a baby back home (but had a perfect body). Yes there were many out of shape girls as well, for those I would try to get their numbers and work out a cheap side deal if I was living there. I did barfine a 18 why old who from what she said was 'menstruating's' which I thought was code for 'I don't want to barfine with you'. I kept up my charm and talked her into heading to my room. She was back at the bar an hour later and boy I can tell you she was telling the truth LOL. Had to part ways since I didn't want to pay for all of the blood stained bedding, luckily she wore the towel to the bed and it took most of the damage. Funny though how 'menstruating' sounds like 'frustrating' but with 'men' thrown in front of it. Right to the point.

If one was to live in either Makati or Angeles, which city has the most options available? For one drinks seem to be much cheaper in Angeles, getting around also seems a bit easier. Total number of gogo girls I will guess goes to Angeles as well. Why is that?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2743445]There are rooms anywhere but if you are living there then I suggest people get further away from Walking St. Normal girls will judge you if you are staying near Walking St. There are many local girls that will ignore profiles when the guy is a tourist or only in town for two weeks. When they have seen you at SM, seen you on dating sites for month then that opens up a whole new demographic of talent. A longer stay also means you can have non-pressure dates with normal girls. The girls that just want to see you are normal on the first meet. They go home and are then keen to see you for sex after that. Being there for an extended period also means you can invite in normal girls from Bataan or Tarlac.[/QUOTE]Girls are already judging you before they even know where you live, biggest question they have is what brought you to the Philippines. If your staying out away from WS and you take a normal girl on a date, where do you take her? To WS? How far away is far enough away? And if your an older foreigner and she is much younger will taking her to a restaurant in the province be as accepted as taking her to one closer to WS? My girl just told me her friend is seeing a foreigner in his mid 40's and they went out drinking late at night. They got approached by 5 Filipinos and the foreigner made the mistake of turning his back and trying to walk away and got a 5 inch gash on his forehead to remember the rest of his life. This was in Cebu city but the point being is the Filipinos can get jealous when they see an older foreigner with a stunning young lady. So further away might not always be the best place to live.

[QUOTE=XBoyX;2743157]I try to keep it respectful to everyone.

Landed yesterday and took a look at at least 10 bars. I'm surprised by the low quality of women here. I could say 98% of single moms. Am I the only one who can differentiate a single mom from a girl easily by the face or gentlemen who like this shithole really don't care? Burgos in Makati has at least few girls without babies in every bar, yeah not all hot but you can find your type there. Manila is much much better specially the online game. It's been only 2-3 years that I am recognizing single moms from girls easily and get turned off by the earlier. Planning to hit Bangkok and Pattaya later, hope the bars are not full of single moms.

Like Angeles.[/QUOTE]All the bars have single moms, you interview enough women with perfect bodies you'll find a good majority have children. All depends on what they have been eating. A diet rich in vegetables will allow a girl to bounce back to a slim body as is most of the girls in Thailand. Girls in the Philippines who start to eat Jollibee will show baby damage. I was chatting with a really really cute girl on PinaLove who gave me her tiktok name and her body seemed amazing and she had one of the largest babies I've ever seen. In those videos you can see a large set of tits under her shirt. I was really getting hopeful things would work out with her. She then sent me a 'sexy photo'. One in a bunny outfit that wouldn't allow her to wear a bra. In that photo the breasts were gone and I realized they must have been sucked dry by the baby. Mom's with small breasts seem to survive the baby milking time much better. A girl without kids is usually trying to go to college, not thinking about making money at the gogo bars.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2743138]And with the man purse it all depends on what they have to carry I guess. 2 phones, loose coin bag, wallet, passport, pills, baggies with powder, bundles of cash etc etc. All of that looks and feels kind of silly in 3 tight pant pockets. You are kind of behind in the times when it comes to messenger bags. Ask Indiana Jones. LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't recall Indiana Jones wearing that bag while he was teaching, he kept his whip in the bag if I recall so unless your into S&M then I can't see the point LOL. Loose coins get left as tips. Two phones? Get a dual sim phone. Wallet in one of the front pockets to protect from pickpockets. Passport keep in the room. Same with powder, your in a foreign country you don't want to end up in their prisons. Bundles of cash. Unlikely 95% of those with man purses have bundles of cash in their bags otherwise the locals would be cutting the strap and running off with them at every opportunity. Behind the times, don't think so just think its idiotic to spend money on a purse. Simple test put it over one shoulder and carry it like a woman carries her purse. Is it still a messenger bag or is it now a purse? Does carrying it a different way effect its GQ status? Now a laptop being in laptop bag, that's acceptable.

There are childless girls in AC but they rarely work in bars.

So what is it about the single mums? The tummy or the attitude?

The reason I prefer to search out the childless is around mindset. Once the girl has the kid the financial pressure is on her to financially provide for herself, her kid (s) and her parents that now have a job caring for the kids.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2743875]There are childless girls in AC but they rarely work in bars.

So what is it about the single mums? The tummy or the attitude?
[/QUOTE]This profession is not exactly teeming with single childless chicks. Most of the childless ones are doing it for materialistic gain and not out of necessity.

I'm back in AC 26-30 Sept. Anyone there tired of bar girl talk want to meet up for a drink to trade war stories and complain how AC sucks now compared to the good old days. LOL Drop me a PM!

There is a girl who works at Geckos who is the second hottest chick there. A solid 9 in my book. She has 5 kids. Yes 5. Skinny ripped fit body, she is wild, let me finger her and lapped danced me all night and hit me up off the clock to hook up but unfortunately I never had the pleasure because I was consorting with the hottest girl at Geckos at the time and it was at the end of my stay in AC. To exclude a girl based on kids is foolishness in my book.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2743974]There is a girl who works at Geckos who is the second hottest chick there. A solid 9 in my book. She has 5 kids. Yes 5. Skinny ripped fit body, she is wild, let me finger her and lapped danced me all night and hit me up off the clock to hook up but unfortunately I never had the pleasure because I was consorting with the hottest girl at Geckos at the time and it was at the end of my stay in AC. To exclude a girl based on kids is foolishness in my book.[/QUOTE]Does the bargirl with the 5 kids come with a free plank of wood for customers to tie to their ass in case they fall in while fucking.

But seriously, I'm glad that you find your taste of girls in geckos bar, for me the last time I saw a fuckable girl in geckos bar was somewhere around 2010, each to their own comes to mind.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2743974]There is a girl who works at Geckos who is the second hottest chick there. A solid 9 in my book. She has 5 kids. Yes 5. Skinny ripped fit body, she is wild, let me finger her and lapped danced me all night and hit me up off the clock to hook up but unfortunately I never had the pleasure because I was consorting with the hottest girl at Geckos at the time and it was at the end of my stay in AC. To exclude a girl based on kids is foolishness in my book.[/QUOTE]Once in Subic I barfined a 19 yo with 4 kids (yes really, I checked her ID, she was 19). Hot body, flat abs all of it. Pussy wasnt loose either.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2743974]There is a girl who works at Geckos who is the second hottest chick there. A solid 9 in my book. She has 5 kids. Yes 5.[/QUOTE]Last trip I barfined a girl who had 11 cats (if memory serves, my mind was not primarily set on feline accounting at the time) and 0 kids. She was pretty good and stayed LT until she needed to go home to feed the cats in the morning.

[QUOTE=XBoyX;2743157]I try to keep it respectful to everyone.

Landed yesterday and took a look at at least 10 bars. I'm surprised by the low quality of women here. I could say 98% of single moms. Am I the only one who can differentiate a single mom from a girl easily by the face or gentlemen who like this shithole really don't care? Burgos in Makati has at least few girls without babies in every bar, yeah not all hot but you can find your type there. Manila is much much better specially the online game. It's been only 2-3 years that I am recognizing single moms from girls easily and get turned off by the earlier. Planning to hit Bangkok and Pattaya later, hope the bars are not full of single moms.

Like Angeles.[/QUOTE]I generally found AC online girls are almost all bar girls.

Manila on-line more general with far fewer bar girls.

AC is a small place and one is easily recognized. Manila obviously is the opposite as long as you don't stay in one small area.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2744342]I generally found AC online girls are almost all bar girls.
.[/QUOTE]What online app (s) are you using in AC?

How many cost 1 hour short time bareback sex with a beautiful pinay? Is cheaper in the afternoons or mornings instead of in the night?

How many cost a long time?

Do I need an hotel room or this have Girls already beds? Because maybe I could go from Manila with a car without pay hotel room in Angeles.

My idea is find a tradwife in Filipinas and while I'm looking for the correct girl, I need little escapes in order to have sex.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2745252]What online app (s) are you using in AC?[/QUOTE]From most to least professional:

Tinder.

Pina Love.

Filipino Cupid.

All have girls available to meet now.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2743974]To exclude a girl based on kids is foolishness in my book.[/QUOTE]As always, it's dangerous to generalise.

Years ago I was a frequent patron of a pole dancer. Nightly routines gave her a rock hard body, unbelievable stamina, and she had absolutely no signs of a daughter in tow. I moved on to a young 19 yo, also super cute and a killer body but till then no kids. Fast forward 12 mths to a following trip, she has dropped a kid, and her body has been destroyed: stretch marks everywhere, big saggy tits the whole shebang. The changes were astounding. She went from being a popular girl to leaving town because she could no longer attract customers.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2745588]From most to least professional:

Tinder.

Pina Love.

Filipino Cupid.

All have girls available to meet now.[/QUOTE]That fits with my understanding. I rarely use Tinder in AC or even the west.

PL is my go to app but there are many normal girls on their in AC. Just need to weed out the bargirls.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2745592]... there are many normal girls on their in AC. Just need to weed out the bargirls.[/QUOTE]If you want "normal" girls in AC, then go straight to the source. Frequent SM, banks, real restaurants etc. Girls there will happily meet for a coffee after work and may provide more on subsequent meeting. Much better than weeding through 00's online etc.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2745592]That fits with my understanding. I rarely use Tinder in AC or even the west.

PL is my go to app but there are many normal girls on their in AC. Just need to weed out the bargirls.[/QUOTE]Manila preferable in this regard as normal girls in AC will know the real reason why you're in AC, no matter what excuse you make. They see what's going on all the time. Be ready for the first question 'why are you in AC?

The problem with good girls that work in banks, insurance company or any other decent job is that she is very unlikely to be seen having coffee or anything else with a foreigner old enough to be her father / grandfather.

Most of these girls come from middle class families, families who sent their daughters to college / university at great expense for the sole reason of their daughters not having to be seen out with old mongers.

In my company there are all female employees, only the security staff are males, not one single girl is married / engaged / dating a foreigner, I attend all the birthdays, engagements, christenings, weddings etc 100% have pinoys of their own age and standing as partners.

Talk of foreigners walking into a bank and getting a date with the young cutie who works there is pure wishful thinking IMHO.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2745716]Manila preferable in this regard as normal girls in AC will know the real reason why you're in AC, no matter what excuse you make. They see what's going on all the time. Be ready for the first question 'why are you in AC?[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you on all counts. However, it's all a big game on both sides of the fence. Everyone asks questions that they know the answers to and pretends to believe the answers. Asking "Why are you here?" Is the same as agreeing to "meet for a coffee" with a 60 yo grandpa.

As you said, Manila is a better option but if it must be AC, then play the game: stay off WS, take her to a meal away from the strip and pretend that you are an innocent couple.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2745716]Manila preferable in this regard as normal girls in AC will know the real reason why you're in AC, no matter what excuse you make. They see what's going on all the time. Be ready for the first question 'why are you in AC?[/QUOTE]I have met and dated plenty of normal chicks in monger destinations and have never been asked why I was there. I think this is a paranoid monger "I am doing something wrong and everybody can see it" thing and not reality.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2745758]I have met and dated plenty of normal chicks in monger destinations and have never been asked why I was there. I think this is a paranoid monger "I am doing something wrong and everybody can see it" thing and not reality.[/QUOTE]True, but I think this is a problem mostly when bringing in non-pros specifically from NCR to AC, then it's a quite common question. Sometimes I've had the the same question posed when bringing BKK girls to Pattaya, but it seems like a less important issue with them, as it's common for Bangkokers to go to Pattaya for the weekend just to hang out on drinking on the beach etc.

The trick is not letting this shit test get to you, yes I flew into Clark and now I'm in a hotelroom near Clark, those are the facts, are you coming or not? If no deal, move on.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2745988]

The trick is not letting this shit test get to you, yes I flew into Clark and now I'm in a hotelroom near Clark, those are the facts, are you coming or not? If no deal, move on.[/QUOTE]This is the same with all the touchy questions:

"Are you married?

"Are you here for fun?

Etc.

"Yes, is it a deal breaker?

"No, Its good that you are so honest! LOL.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2745988]True, but I think this is a problem mostly when bringing in non-pros specifically from NCR to AC, then it's a quite common question.[/QUOTE]I have had normal chicks in Manila ask to go to AC with me.

A poster in the Rio thread a couple of weeks ago said along these same lines that if you are staying in Copacabana (a beach neighborhood of 160,000 people) then you will not be able to get normal chicks in Brazil because they will know you are there for mongering. I was like really dude. Copacabana is the most famous tourist destination in Brazil for not only the world, but Brazilians themselves. But even if you are staying there people will be suspicious of you? After having gotten to know hundreds of non-pros in these monger places I can tell you without a doubt that nobody gives a shit if you are staying there or suspect that you are up to debauchery.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2746116]I have had normal chicks in Manila ask to go to AC with me..[/QUOTE]I can understand a normal BKK family holidaying in Pattaya. There is a reasonable amount to see and do alongside easy access, cheap accommodations etc. But AC?? WTF is a normal Manila resident going to go to AC for?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2746257]I can understand a normal BKK family holidaying in Pattaya. There is a reasonable amount to see and do alongside easy access, cheap accommodations etc. But AC?? WTF is a normal Manila resident going to go to AC for?[/QUOTE]Beats the hell out of me. Just like my girlfriend at Reign Spa in AC. She never suspected me of messing with other chicks there. She just always knew I had friends that live in AC. And it took a few years before she would even go out with me.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2746257]I can understand a normal BKK family holidaying in Pattaya. There is a reasonable amount to see and do alongside easy access, cheap accommodations etc. But AC?? WTF is a normal Manila resident going to go to AC for?[/QUOTE]I've had Pinays in rooms beside me on more than one occasion. Their clock is different. They are not going there to pick up rice paddy girls. Easy to get to by bus or car, four or more share a double room, do karaoke, shop at the stupid mall (like women do), hit San Fernando, take selfies.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2746257] But AC?? WTF is a normal Manila resident going to go to AC for?[/QUOTE]There are many girls who have heard of Angeles city and what goes on there. My pretty GF at that time from Baybay, Leyte who used to come all the time and stay with me in cebu wanted to go to AC. So next time I booked her a flight from Tacloban to Manila. We went and stayed 2 nights in Angeles city. We did go bar hopping. She hated the place. I guess she probably was approached by some mamasan and heard glowing picture and ofcourse how much money she can make or she had a friend who went and made money. Never talked about the reason she wanted to go. I was just trying to please her.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2746271]I've had Pinays in rooms beside me on more than one occasion. Their clock is different. They are not going there to pick up rice paddy girls. Easy to get to by bus or car, four or more share a double room, do karaoke, shop at the stupid mall (like women do), hit San Fernando, take selfies.[/QUOTE]Pampanga is known for its food. There are theme parks, water parks.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2746287]There are many girls who have heard of Angeles city and what goes on there. My pretty GF at that time from Baybay, Leyte who used to come all the time and stay with me in cebu wanted to go to AC. So next time I booked her a flight from Tacloban to Manila.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why. I have lived in both places. In Tacloban (and rest of Leyte) these girls dress and behave more conservatively than Leyte (or Samar) girls in AC.

Sailor Jack is in AC now.

Last night I had a robust counseling session with a wayward, stunningly gorgeous Filipina.

I noticed that she washed her sexy black thong panties in the hotel room sink.

Next morning I find said panties hung out to dry over my toothbrush.

If his were a brand of toothpaste, I just might buy it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2745758]I have met and dated plenty of normal chicks in monger destinations and have never been asked why I was there. I think this is a paranoid monger "I am doing something wrong and everybody can see it" thing and not reality.[/QUOTE]BS. Dating means you spend many days together going out to restaurants, shopping, watching TV, and TALKING. So you never talk about yourself during all this time together? Strange because you talk about yourself endlessly on this site. She never asks questions? Really? You do not have to stay in a hotel to raise a few questions. Even when renting an Airbnb a girl can tell if it is your apartment or not by seeing that your suitcase is out, you have very few things for someone living there, and what sort of things you have laying around. The question of are you living there retired or working, long time tourist, or short time tourist will surely come up in conversation.[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] FYI if they are not asking questions about you then they really do not care about you which makes it hard to believe you are dating them.

Don't forget to mention the Hot Air Balloon Festival, but be prepared that may elicit laughs. They know what kind of balloons we're into.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2746290]Pampanga is known for its food. There are theme parks, water parks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2746366]Don't forget to mention the Hot Air Balloon Festival, but be prepared that may elicit laughs. They know what kind of balloons we're into.[/QUOTE]And there is also this amazing regular firework festival in AC. Or arent they doing it anymore?

I remember this was precovid when they where doing the fireworks once a week or so.

It was always very loud. Like Bombs.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2746345]Sailor Jack is in AC now.

Last night I had a robust counseling session with a wayward, stunningly gorgeous Filipina.

I noticed that she washed her sexy black thong panties in the hotel room sink.

Next morning I find said panties hung out to dry over my toothbrush.

If his were a brand of toothpaste, I just might buy it.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha. Now that's funny.

Some simp on Only Fans will pay you $5000 for that toothbrush. LOL.

The sex activity in Angeles is confined to about three streets. Walking Street, Fields Avenue and Perimeter. These make up about 0. 001% of the total area of Pampanga and collectively contribute to two-fifths of sweet fuck all to the economy. The area is an industrial hub known for manufacturing, BPO, agriculture, food processing, healthcare, education and aviation. This kills the myth that mongers are somehow single handedly supporting the Philippines economy by buying a ladies drink.

Not everyone who lives in the area is involved in prostitution, so just because you go to AC doesn't brand you sex pest.

I've stayed at the ABC hotel many times which is the most debauched place of shelter on the planet. On the few occasions non-hookers have asked me what I'm doing in AC, I told them that I was doing important business at Clark. End of story. No further questioning. Filipinas with minimal education do not probe any deeper. Obviously to pull off this brazen lie, it helps if you bathe once a day and don't wear the same Singha Beer singlet three days in a row. Can't say many fat Australian mongers do bathe. But trust me. The chance of you interacting with humans not involved in the prostitution bubble in AC is pretty remote, so mongers don't have to worry about getting judged.

At this point there is a sharp shortage of swinging peckers in both Burgos and AC. Just ask the girls, or walk into Lion's Pride or Fyre bars on Burgos (or Amors on Ebro St, behind Burgos) and see no male customers, or just walk the street. Its much worse in Burgos.

However for AC. Attached pic was taken recently in AC just after midnight. Not sure if you can zoom in on that (must reduce resolution size to post here), but you can see all the way to the end of WS (MacAurthur Hwy end) from Baccara. While you see some people in the street, they are locals and employees (not customers). Pic taken on a Saturday morning early AM (sad sight). You can see the McDonald's sign in the upper-center background. Consider that there are very few people in this WS pic for a Friday night, and I think there are no customers in this picture, its quite a statement.

Its not always like this. On a different night, around 11:30 pm, I got a massage and then walked WS. It was a bit more busy. Another night, from the McDo end of WS, all the way to JJ grocery store, I walked and counted only 4 male foreigners walking in the street (not to include any gents I saw when I poked my head into any bars, nor inside the open-air restos near Phillies). Two of us struck up a conversation as we both poked our heads into the curtain of one of the bars on WS, and we walked together and separated near JJ's. You will see more Korean bars than before, and a higher concentration Korean / Japanese customers than before, and more girls in the bars than before (and a somewhat better selection than before). Several bars had terrible selections (no ladies under 30, all chublettes). But overall, not that many people. There seems to be a large amount of people in the Phillies / Envy resto area at the start of WS (vibrant), starting around 7-8 pm. Lots of SW and viagra sales. The crowd thins out about 10-11 pm. One could get the impression that are more foreigners sitting in Phillies / Envy / Kok's than there are on WS or in the bars. AC / WS gives the impression that it has become an old-timer's resto hangout area, with some gogo bars up the street for young whipper-snappers to have fun in.

BTW, around on Real St, the old Tropix (or next door, previously Agasaya) has been turned into a pool hall, complete with pretty door barkers trying to get you inside to play pool. Are the barkers GRO? Snooker-and-snatch?

Its still a great place for the instant-gratification warrior. Barfines on WS and Fields are typically p3-4 k, depending the bar. Perimeter bars BF were p2200 - 2500.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746639]At this point there is a sharp shortage of swinging peckers in both Burgos and AC. Just ask the girls, or walk into Lion's Pride or Fyre bars on Burgos (or Amors on Ebro St, behind Burgos) and see no male customers, or just walk the street. Its much worse in Burgos.

However for AC. Attached pic was taken recently in AC just after midnight. Not sure if you can zoom in on that (must reduce resolution size to post here), but you can see all the way to the end of WS (MacAurthur Hwy end) from Baccara. While you see some people in the street, they are locals and employees (not customers). Pic taken on a Saturday morning early AM (sad sight). You can see the McDonald's sign in the upper-center background. Consider that there are very few people in this WS pic for a Friday night, and I think there are no customers in this picture, its quite a statement.

One could get the impression that are more foreigners sitting in Phillies / Envy / Kok's than there are on WS or in the bars. AC / WS gives the impression that it has become an old-timer's resto hangout area, with some gogo bars up the street for young whipper-snappers to have fun in.

[/QUOTE]Some bars are very popular and always full (Lollipop, Geckos) because the girls give you high mileage for a lady drink. Korean bars are always empty because punters come, pick up and go to their rooms and probably drink Soju there. Prices are high and quality has dropped so the value proposition of a long expensive flight from the west is not that great anymore. AC is more a 4 day jaunt for people living in Asia and local expats. Still, its a reliable place for bareback sex with young Filipinas at a reasonable, but not cheap, price. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2746703]Prices are high and quality has dropped so the value proposition of a long expensive flight from the west is not that great anymore. AC is more a 4 day jaunt for people living in Asia and local expats. Still, its a reliable place for bareback sex with young Filipinas at a reasonable, but not cheap, price. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]AC is still my recommended go-to place for the 2-week warrior. Even if you skipped the NCR completely, you could effectively barfine daily at the p4000 range and be happy as a pig in mud. P4 k gets a hottie every time. Also nearly completely maskless, as opposed to my returning to the NCR and running into bunches of people still wearing masks (mostly pinoy). Its an odd dichotomy.

Walked down to Perimeter on 2 separate nights. Passed by a hole in the wall place, poked my head in and saw only what appeared to be a mama. Few doors down was another, a girl outside waved me inside. There were no people inside. Another 2 blocks and there were several small such bars. Poked my head into the first to see a girl busy applying makeup and nobody else. The next bar had several girls outside but I didn't go in as barkers girls ignored me. Few doors on, a pretty girl outside asked me to come inside. Once inside there was a mama, who went to a different bar to bring me back a girl to have a drink with. Then went to another bar and found one girl inside. The mama had to run to another bar to fetch our drinks (apparently some bars don't have a bar).

She was attractive, but late 30's, great figure and good face but big buck teeth when she smiled / laughed. The mama went outside and fetched a second girl to sit with me. I declined a drink but she stayed a while with me and the first girl. Second girl was cute and mid-20's. Of all the Perimeter gals I saw, she was the only one really worth a BF. The first girl suggested I barfine them both for a 3-some. Was not tempted. BF price was a very reasonable 2500. I asked if I BF them, how long could they stay? "You say, sir". 11 am? "Yes sir". 12 noon? "Yes sir". 1 pm? "No sir as my shift starts 2 pm. I must go home and prepare". Well, given that there were few (if any) girls in any bar, and no customers, I'd say that's a sense of either boredom or desperation.

Did not take them. Walking back home, I stopped in another place that had half a dozen girls dancing on a stage (real plain-Janes), but didn't stay as the waitress said they were closing in 10 minutes (it was almost 10 pm). Found a similar situation the other night I was there.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2747348]Walked down to Perimeter on 2 separate nights. Passed by a hole in the wall place, poked my head in and saw only what appeared to be a mama. Few doors down was another, a girl outside waved me inside. There were no people inside. Another 2 blocks and there were several small such bars. Poked my head into the first to see a girl busy applying makeup and nobody else. The next bar had several girls outside but I didn't go in as barkers girls ignored me. Few doors on, a pretty girl outside asked me to come inside. Once inside there was a mama, who went to a different bar to bring me back a girl to have a drink with. Then went to another bar and found one girl inside. The mama had to run to another bar to fetch our drinks (apparently some bars don't have a bar).

She was attractive, but late 30's, great figure and good face but big buck teeth when she smiled / laughed. The mama went outside and fetched a second girl to sit with me. I declined a drink but she stayed a while with me and the first girl. Second girl was cute and mid-20's. Of all the Perimeter gals I saw, she was the only one really worth a BF. The first girl suggested I barfine them both for a 3-some. Was not tempted. BF price was a very reasonable 2500. I asked if I BF them, how long could they stay? "You say, sir". 11 am? "Yes sir". 12 noon? "Yes sir". 1 pm? "No sir as my shift starts 2 pm. I must go home and prepare". Well, given that there were few (if any) girls in any bar, and no customers, I'd say that's a sense of either boredom or desperation.

Did not take them. Walking back home, I stopped in another place that had half a dozen girls dancing on a stage (real plain-Janes), but didn't stay as the waitress said they were closing in 10 minutes (it was almost 10 pm). Found a similar situation the other night I was there.[/QUOTE]The Perimeter is a day time place. Going at 9 pm you get only the saddest leftovers. Try going at 1 pm instead. I've found so many gems there. Young 18 and 19 yos fresh from the farm.

There is a girl who works at Geckos who is the second hottest chick there. A solid 9 in my book. She has 5 kids. Yes 5. Skinny ripped fit body, she is wild, let me finger her and lapped danced me all night and hit me.

I know her.

I concur with all that. BUT;.

Last time I was in AC was in April 2022. I was in Geckos and had to piss real bad. I actually used the putrid dual sex CR in Geckos. Drained the lizard and then SkinnyHotChick burst in, SkinnyHotChick quickly sat on the piss covered toilet seat, did her business while we chatted, then SkinnyHotChick left without wiping or washing anything, and then SkinnyHotChick returned to the bar to rub her hot little piss covered ass on some guy.

Call me a romantic if you will, but I found that a bit off-putting.

Typhoon Karding (Noru) passed East to West over Luzon late Sunday (09/25) to early Monday (09/26) morning.

The effect on AC was minimal. There was rain and wind but not anything out of the normal range.

Walking Street was especially dead Sunday night, perhaps people stayed home due to the Typhoon.

One from the archives. Make that two.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2747387]The Perimeter is a day time place. Going at 9 pm you get only the saddest leftovers. Try going at 1 pm instead. I've found so many gems there. Young 18 and 19 yos fresh from the farm.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember such from the pre-pandemic days. As I am gone now, question for those there in the past few months, anyone else been pulling from Perimeter in the afternoons? Better selection than what I saw (if you can call it a selection)?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2747458]Yes, I remember such from the pre-pandemic days. As I am gone now, question for those there in the past few months, anyone else been pulling from Perimeter in the afternoons? Better selection than what I saw (if you can call it a selection)?[/QUOTE]Watching the girls in Perimeter bar was my hobby in the afternoon after wake up and brunch. I buy a bottle of water or orange can and LD for ladies. Most of the time I spend in Pony Tail and the mamasan was my friend. All in pre covid time. Sometimes I BF a lady and go for movie and end up in room. Good old time in Perimeter bar just like Soi 6 in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2747458]Yes, I remember such from the pre-pandemic days. As I am gone now, question for those there in the past few months, anyone else been pulling from Perimeter in the afternoons? Better selection than what I saw (if you can call it a selection)?[/QUOTE]Don't think early or late makes a difference when it comes to perimeter bars, the selection of the very few if any older girls the bars have sucks across the board IMHO.

Perimeter road bars tend to appeal to a few older expats as an early meeting place for a few cheaper cold ones and to tell the same old bull stories of when they were in the SAS, special boat squadron or on covert special opps in Vietnam.

The other favourite topics is how they scored yesterday with an 18 year old stunner 60 years their junior and made her orgasm 10 times in an afternoon and the girl in question refused any payment whatsoever from them.

I think in truth those of us that were around to enjoy perimeter bars way back in the prime have all got fond memories of times spent there, had many a good time barhopping mirrors bar, lost in Asia bar, roadies bar and after school bar all of which were next door to each other.

Alas perimeter road like most of Angeles city is a shadow of its former self with no signs of a come back any time soon.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746639]A Bit Depressing[/QUOTE]Walking Street before covid was busy busy. You show us a picture of Walking Street after midnight and it is Deadsville. Even before covid Perimeter after 7:00 pm was Deadsville. Why on earth would you barhop Perimeter late at night and then turn around and do it again? Sorry but most everyone is well aware that no girls are to found after 7:00 pm at Perimeter.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2747502]I think in truth those of us that were around to enjoy perimeter bars way back in the prime have all got fond memories of times spent there, had many a good time barhopping mirrors bar, lost in Asia bar, roadies bar and after school bar all of which were next door to each other.

Alas perimeter road like most of Angeles city is a shadow of its former self with no signs of a come back any time soon.[/QUOTE]Concur.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2747541]Walking Street before covid was busy busy. You show us a picture of Walking Street after midnight and it is Deadsville. [/QUOTE]LIH, that's correct. That picture and information was / is solid intel as to the current state of the place (not pre-covid). I don't recall seeing your pic of something different in the current era. We are all waiting for that.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2747541]Even before covid Perimeter after 7:00 pm was Deadsville. Why on earth would you barhop Perimeter late at night and then turn around and do it again? [/QUOTE]For several reasons, and here is one: There is not much to do in AC outside of WS. Covid has changed many things. A look at the current Perimeter system was desired, to see if it was any better or worse, as its been a few years since I was in the Perimeter bars. A man can be curious. My (multiple) reasons for going are not really fodder for the readership.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2747541]Sorry but most everyone is well aware that no girls are to found after 7:00 pm at Perimeter.[/QUOTE]LIH there is a lack of specificity here. See my original question below in quotes. I was asking for current info [B]only[/B] from gents who have current or recent boots-on-the-ground experience. Yes, we know how Perimeter was pre-pandemic. Have you been there since the re-opening, and what is your (or others there since the re-opening) Perimeter experience?

"Yes, I remember such from the pre-pandemic days. As I am gone now, [B]question for those there in the past few months, anyone else been pulling from Perimeter in the afternoons?[/B].

Last night at 10 pm I walked into Shooters to a riotous good party.

There were two non-Shooters bargirls on stage dancing and engaging in full lesbian cunnilingus on the counter at the stage. LickEE was a buxom tatted up bar **** with an amazing boob job. LickEE was dancing naked and really enjoying being the spectacle. LickER was an average looking tatted bar ****. My guess is that LickEE and LickER are from out of town because I have not seen these two carpetmunchers before.

Then I notice that they are apparently there with a BeardedGuy who is also occasionally joining in on the cunnilingus. Well okay then.

So for thirty minutes it alternated between naked dancing and full cunnilingus.

Sailor Jack found this quite titillating. What's not to like about a free sex show?

Equally entertaining was the reaction the regular Shooters girls on stage. Some seemed disgusted (feigned disgust? Some were clearly as turned on by it was Sailor Jack.

I do believe that I read here that Shooters got in trouble or even closed for this a few months back.

I hope that does not happen again.

But then again, think of all those poor jobless bargirls needing Sailor Jack's loving PESOnality.

8 - 12 girls working wearing jean shorts.

No beauty queens here. 5 at best.

Open 1 pm to 10 pm except Monday 2 - 11 pm.

On perimeter road by platinum club and Legends club.

If you see Red Planet hotel, you went too far.

Upstairs billiards room that cost 1 k per hour consumable.

LD 290 php.

Beer 80 php.

BF 2500 php.

[QUOTE=BigKahuna;2747698]8 - 12 girls working wearing jean shorts.

No beauty queens here. 5 at best.

Open 1 pm to 10 pm except Monday 2 - 11 pm.

On perimeter road by platinum club and Legends club.

If you see Red Planet hotel, you went too far.

Upstairs billiards room that cost 1 k per hour consumable.

LD 290 php.

Beer 80 php.

BF 2500 php.[/QUOTE]2500 barfine is equivalent to $42 or 1600 baht? For a 5 range girl in terms of looks? Fuck that. They need to starve or go out of business for proposing those rates.

[QUOTE=BigKahuna;2747698]8 - 12 girls working wearing jean shorts.

No beauty queens here. 5 at best.

Open 1 pm to 10 pm except Monday 2 - 11 pm.

On perimeter road by platinum club and Legends club.

If you see Red Planet hotel, you went too far.

Upstairs billiards room that cost 1 k per hour consumable.

LD 290 php.

Beer 80 php.

BF 2500 php.[/QUOTE]Happy to hear that Mischief bar is open. In Google map it is still showing to be temporarly closed.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2747738]Happy to hear that Mischief bar is open. In Google map it is still showing to be temporarly closed.[/QUOTE]Mischief has been open for months. I was there back in July.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2747684]I was asking for current info [B]only[/B] from gents who have current or recent boots-on-the-ground experience. Yes, we know how Perimeter was pre-pandemic. Have you been there since the re-opening, and what is your (or others there since the re-opening) Perimeter experience?[/QUOTE]Will give Perimeter a final look when I'm (shortly) in AC again. As many here noted, it has not swung back post Covid yet. It was very boring and stocked with high mileage or fuglies a couple months ago when I last checked.

Not a super big fan of WS (although I partook a bit) and I often end up making private arrangements. This time I have already pre-booked reliable pussy to perform the initial pipe cleaning.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2747850]Will give Perimeter a final look when I'm (shortly) in AC again. As many here noted, it has not swung back post Covid yet. It was very boring and stocked with high mileage or fuglies a couple months ago when I last checked.

Not a super big fan of WS (although I partook a bit) and I often end up making private arrangements. This time I have already pre-booked reliable pussy to perform the initial pipe cleaning.[/QUOTE]I live here and can come pretty close to concurring. When you walk past the MB /21st crossroads (past the Petron station) you have Night Moves on the left. Somewhat of a biker bar but everyone is welcome and never have seen any problems. In 5 years the worst thing ever witnessed was an extremely drunk guy being physically taken out of the bar and the owners paid the trike driver to take him home. The girls might not be 10's but they will rape you instead of count until it's over. They will want to stay all night. Candy Bar next door. A new one between opened this week but no report yet.

Steel Man is next if you continue. There you will see some incredibly sexy women except they are men.

Walking Street is for the weekend millionaire. Perimeter is the place for the locals that exercise the cheap poontang culture. Keep going and you will run into the street side version of the bars that the city council members own. All nighters in this area for less than 50 bucks.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2747892]...Perimeter is the place for the locals that exercise the cheap poontang culture. Keep going and you will run into the street side version of the bars that the city council members own...[/QUOTE]Keep walking what way?

Are you talking about the bars / side streets south and west of the Walking Street boom gate or more down towards the Perimeter end?

If anyone has the chance step into Vegas Massage and see what's up. Pre covid the two girls there jumped on me raw for 1 k (got to admit they weren't much to look at). Post covid there was a hot girl working there who wanted 5 k. In hindsight I should have done it. What's $100? Funny how you start valuing things relatively when you're in-country.

Off topic I was trying to book Central Park online and all their dates for the next few months say 'sold out'. This is through all the major booking sites, hotels dot com, etc. I called them directly and they said they were available and could book me directly. Don't know what's up but I suspect this is some way to cut out the middle man and make more money? Seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot since I almost just booked a different hotel.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2747967]Off topic I was trying to book Central Park online and all their dates for the next few months say 'sold out'. This is through all the major booking sites, hotels dot com, etc. I called them directly and they said they were available and could book me directly. Don't know what's up but I suspect this is some way to cut out the middle man and make more money? Seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot since I almost just booked a different hotel.[/QUOTE]Ya sometimes I see this issue with other hotels. Listed on various sites (Agoda, booking), but all dates not available. Sending a message to the property thru the Agoda / Booking website gets no response. Usually*.

As to purpose, your suggestion that they are cutting out the middle-man (Agoda or such) seems legit. A more legit option might be for the hotel (CP) to go on their Agoda / Booking accounts and temporarily "De-List" the hotel until further notice ("List"-ing it again later), so that it does not show up at all to the customer.

A hard-to-believe option might be that the CP had agreed to be a covid-only (Quarantine) hotel (Red Planet, Go Hotels, and others did this), but the days of needing extra hospital bedspace or quarantine facilities are over. Spit-balling here.

* Only once, a year ago or more. I saw that a hotel chain in NCR had no dates available for any kind of room. Sending them a message thru Booking got a response (a few weeks later; I was surprised that I got any response), that said as such: "More better you contact us directly for reservation. We have available for your dates requested". As you might expect, my dates requested had already passed when they sent the message. Its the only time that any property has responded in this 'never-available' situation. It shows that at least someone is reading the messages that they are not responding to. I wrote back to the hotel chain: "Isn't it easier for everyone if you simply un-list the property on Booking?" Not surprisingly, no response, and they didn't un-list the property. A month or so later the chain's Agoda / Booking showed dates available.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2747967]

Off topic I was trying to book Central Park online and all their dates for the next few months say 'sold out'. This is through all the major booking sites, hotels dot com, etc...[/QUOTE]Same for the Grand Central on Walking Street itself. However, I think it may have closed for good. Shame as it was a great balance of location / facilities / price.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2747892]I live here and can come pretty close to concurring. When you walk past the MB /21st crossroads (past the Petron station) you have Night Moves on the left. Somewhat of a biker bar but everyone is welcome and never have seen any problems. In 5 years the worst thing ever witnessed was an extremely drunk guy being physically taken out of the bar and the owners paid the trike driver to take him home. The girls might not be 10's but they will rape you instead of count until it's over. They will want to stay all night. Candy Bar next door. A new one between opened this week but no report yet.

Steel Man is next if you continue. There you will see some incredibly sexy women except they are men.[/QUOTE]Gents, thanks the responses. I have included 2 pics here, maps of the area. The first pic is of the entire Fields area, from McArthur Hwy to the Red Planet hotel. For reference in this pic, the black circles are ABC hotel and Red Planet. The red circle is the area of MB /21st crossroads (MB = Malabinas St, 21st = Don Juico / Fields Ave), where the bars are that Beavis mentioned (Night Beat, Candy Bar, Steel Man). The second picture is an expanded view of the red circled area.

I remember visiting Angeles before Covid and the street freelancers scene was disappointing, very few options. However I noticed in some Filipino cities the street freelancer scene has improved post Covid. So I'm wondering how's the street freelancers scene in Angeles now? Is it better or worst than how it used to be?

[QUOTE=CarlosDanger;2748029]I remember visiting Angeles before Covid and the street freelancers scene was disappointing, very few options. However I noticed in some Filipino cities the street freelancer scene has improved post Covid. So I'm wondering how's the street freelancers scene in Angeles now? Is it better or worst than how it used to be?[/QUOTE]Carlos I have been going to Angeles for over 10 years. I just got back from Angeles from not having been there since then, and boy was I disappointed in the FL scene as that was my preferred type of gals to meet as well. I was there in February 2020, just when Covid was ramping up. The freelancer and overall scene was way better there at that time than it is now. I just got back from there several weeks ago. Many of the better gals now do not walk in the streets, or freelance in the discos like HiSo before it shut down. Some of the freelancers have setup shop on Facebook, Tinder and other online apps, but quality is hit or miss. For me, 2010-2018 freelance scene was good. It has changed for the worse unfortunately. I am even wondering if I want to go back soon, but probably will lol.

Most of the talk of "Freelancers" has been about Streetwalkers. I'm not in AC now but a few girls think I'm in ABC ready and waiting. Certainly no 10's but several of the girls online, who have offered to scratch my itch, have been very doable. Obviously, promises and delivery don't always match but they seem keen enough. Bids of 3 k overnight haven't met much resistance.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2747967]

Off topic I was trying to book Central Park online and all their dates for the next few months say 'sold out'. This is through all the major booking sites, hotels dot com, etc. I called them directly and they said they were available and could book me directly. Don't know what's up but I suspect this is some way to cut out the middle man and make more money? Seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot since I almost just booked a different hotel.[/QUOTE]Pin point the hotel you are planning to stay in Google map. Give the dates and you will get the available agencies quoting the cheapest price. Cross check and book. Don't forget that the price will fluctuate day by day and sometimes it will became cheaper closer to the arrival date if it is not on a peak season.

Warm regards and happy mongering.

I am a recovering hotelier with 20+ years in the business. I worked for a major international hotel chain whose name 100% of you know. The short answer is this;.

Always book direct with the hotel.

Never use a third party site like Agoda, or any other.

Agoda and many other third party sites often have No contractual agreement with the hotels that are listed on the website. Simply tries to lure in an unsuspecting shopper to the AGODA site with whatever rate and dates for a hotel. Then the third party weasels try to sell that booking to the hotel while taking a huge commission out of it. That is very underhanded.

So why does Central Park show as 'sold out' on Agoda? Another trick from the Agoda weasels, they have no contract with Central Park and Central Park has refused to do business with these weasels. So does AGODA drop Central Park from the Agoda site? Nnnnnoooooooo! Central Park garners Agoda many website visitors, so the weasels leave the hotel they do NOT represent on the Agoda site and try to bait and switch you to some other hotel where they DO get a commission.

I know for a fact that this is what happens with Central Park because I know those owners. The Central Park hotel owners are some of the savviest hoteliers I ever met. They do not put up the third party weasels.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2747976]Same for the Grand Central on Walking Street itself. However, I think it may have closed for good. Shame as it was a great balance of location / facilities / price.[/QUOTE]Did not notice if it was open when I passed it. Its across the street from Vikings bar and Royal Amsterdam hotel. [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] shows the GC as having no available dates for reservation, so its probably closed.

Caveat: These pics are from Google maps, 2021, before the re-opening.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2748116]Did not notice if it was open when I passed it. Its across the street from Vikings bar and Royal Amsterdam hotel. [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] shows the GC as having no available dates for reservation, so its probably closed.

Caveat: These pics are from Google maps, 2021, before the re-opening.[/QUOTE]Is closed.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2748081]Always book direct with the hotel.

Never use a third party site like Agoda, or any other.[/QUOTE]This had happened at at least 3 different hotels. I used Agoda or Hotels to book a room, stayed a few days, and then wanted to extend for another day or more. The hotels would not let me book directly with them. They told me they had openings but had to book through the third party hotel website. Why is that?

Hi SJ,

So how do non Phil dwellers like me get a confirmed room to arrive to when the prices of the hotels are not always available?

Thanks.

Victor.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2748081]I am a recovering hotelier with 20+ years in the business. I worked for a major international hotel chain whose name 100% of you know. The short answer is this;.

Always book direct with the hotel.

Never use a third party site like Agoda, or any other.

Agoda and many other third party sites often have No contractual agreement with the hotels that are listed on the website. Simply tries to lure in an unsuspecting shopper to the AGODA site with whatever rate and dates for a hotel. Then the third party weasels try to sell that booking to the hotel while taking a huge commission out of it. That is very underhanded.

So why does Central Park show as 'sold out' on Agoda? Another trick from the Agoda weasels, they have no contract with Central Park and Central Park has refused to do business with these weasels. So does AGODA drop Central Park from the Agoda site? Nnnnnoooooooo! Central Park garners Agoda many website visitors, so the weasels leave the hotel they do NOT represent on the Agoda site and try to bait and switch you to some other hotel where they DO get a commission..[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clear field report (FR).

Sounds like Subic diving and "diving" into FL trip is a lost cause?

Any way to "salvage" as I hope to travel for advanced specialty course, both diving and the other "hobby" (LOL)?

Thanks,

Victor.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2748207]This had happened at at least 3 different hotels. I used Agoda or Hotels to book a room, stayed a few days, and then wanted to extend for another day or more. The hotels would not let me book directly with them. They told me they had openings but had to book through the third party hotel website.[/QUOTE]This is a common occurrence in PH. Not even hinting that I don't need an OR yields a good cash rate. I have thought about this and the closest I've come to an explanation is that the hotels actually pre-sell some % inventory to the booking sites, which these in their turn guarantee to sell retail. This way the hotel can budget with a certain guaranteed level of occupancy, albeit at a crappier revenue. Is this what's happening?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2748207]This had happened at at least 3 different hotels. I used Agoda or Hotels to book a room, stayed a few days, and then wanted to extend for another day or more. The hotels would not let me book directly with them. They told me they had openings but had to book through the third party hotel website. Why is that?[/QUOTE]The opposite has happened to me: stayed a few days on an Agoda booking, tried to extend on the App but they were showing full, went down to the physical reservation desk and booked a room for the extra days. The 99 rooms that the hotel allots to Agoda et al had been sold but the few rooms that the hotel retained for their own web site, tour packages etc were still available. I paid more for the room but at least I had a roof over my head.

Today I look at Hotels dot com and magically Central Park is available. Is that related to me calling, who knows. The reason I've used Hotels is they give you every 10th night free so it's basically a discount. When I was there in March I extended by a week down at the front desk and it was very clear that my room was available for however long I wanted it. Pro tip, you could book one night with your credit card, then when you arrive, extend at the front desk with cash and get the 20% discount (I'm going to guess that's tax free for them). I haven't done this but when I extended they recommended that to me.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2748311]The opposite has happened to me: stayed a few days on an Agoda booking, tried to extend on the App but they were showing full, went down to the physical reservation desk and booked a room for the extra days. The 99 rooms that the hotel allots to Agoda et al had been sold but the few rooms that the hotel retained for their own web site, tour packages etc were still available. I paid more for the room but at least I had a roof over my head.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2748217]Hi SJ,

So how do non Phil dwellers like me get a confirmed room to arrive to when the prices of the hotels are not always available?

Thanks.

Victor.[/QUOTE]Google the hotel by name and get their email or phone to contact them direct. They will likely have some form of booking page on their web site.

I must say though that, as a customer, I have never had a problem with Agoda. Cheap prices, upfront in / exclusions and very easy to deal with if there are any problems or booking changes. My only issue is that you can't book a hotel for tonight only tomorrow.

I do have friends on the other side and yes, the way they treat the hotels, resorts etc is borderline criminal. Outrageous commissions, payment terms and contractual terms.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2748315]Today I look at Hotels dot com and magically Central Park is available. Is that related to me calling, who knows....[/QUOTE]I'm careful not to window shop for hotels and airfares. Both have tracking in their apps and may present a loss leading price when you first look and it's magically unavailable when you return to actually book.

I search when I'm ready to go and book when I see what I want. Don't come back to confirm everything next week.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2748207]This had happened at at least 3 different hotels. I used Agoda or Hotels to book a room, stayed a few days, and then wanted to extend for another day or more. The hotels would not let me book directly with them. They told me they had openings but had to book through the third party hotel website. Why is that?[/QUOTE]Because the third party sites like Agoda each buy a set number of rooms each night, in advance. Agoda has dibs on those rooms, and you and me become the sub-renters (or sub-lets). The hotel can not rent those rooms, even if they are empty, as they belong to Agoda, in the same way that the hotel can not rent your room that you have already rented. Third-party entities (Agoda, [URL]Hotels.com[/URL], Booking) pre-rent rooms at a discount as they are buying large numbers of rooms, then rent them to you and me for more than they paid, and less than the hotel is charging.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2748315]extend at the front desk with cash and get the 20% discount (I'm going to guess that's tax free for them).[/QUOTE]It maybe a dodgy tax free cash deal. More likely savings due to not having to pay the App's commission. These commissions can be 30 or 40% so it's understandable that the hotels are keen to avoid them. For this reason the Apps actually have a contractual clause that they are offered the lowest price and cannot be undercut.

Good for us. Not good for hoteliers.

Enjoy. G.

Former Front Office Manager here.

Most high class hotels (5 star), and with a management team that knows how to use their brain will more then likely be ok and smart enough to price match directly at the hotel so they can avoid paying commission to 3rd party booker's. If their reservation manager isn't lazy, they will communicate and lower the blocked room count with the 3rd party so they can use the room. 3rd party sites are required to provide xxx number of rooms per month / year anyways so unless it's sold it's a loss for both.

4 star and belows. Up to luck. They might match. They might not care and not want to work and just make you book via 3rd party so less work for them.

If your trying to book on same date and it's impossible as day has carried over to next day (midnight per se), take an initiative to snap shot the price you saw before and ask if they can price match. If the reception is lazy and declines (which is a loss of revenue for them), go ahead and leave them a. Ice slap of a review on trip advisor or whatever site they use for benchmarking, so that their FOM or GM can see the team isn't interested in making money and turning away walk in guests. See if that changes attitude of the establishment in few days LOL.

[QUOTE=GenXBaer;2748356]Former Front Office Manager here.

Most high class hotels (5 star), and with a management team that knows how to use their brain will more then likely be ok and smart enough to price match directly at the hotel so they can avoid paying commission to 3rd party booker's. If their reservation manager isn't lazy, they will communicate and lower the blocked room count with the 3rd party so they can use the room. 3rd party sites are required to provide xxx number of rooms per month / year anyways so unless it's sold it's a loss for both.

4 star and belows. Up to luck. They might match. They might not care and not want to work and just make you book via 3rd party so less work for them.

If your trying to book on same date and it's impossible as day has carried over to next day (midnight per se), take an initiative to snap shot the price you saw before and ask if they can price match. If the reception is lazy and declines (which is a loss of revenue for them), go ahead and leave them a. Ice slap of a review on trip advisor or whatever site they use for benchmarking, so that their FOM or GM can see the team isn't interested in making money and turning away walk in guests. See if that changes attitude of the establishment in few days LOL.[/QUOTE]Applying 1st world logic in Angeles City works about as well as grilling a popsicle. The employees will do what their boss tells them to and can care less about whether or not they do business with you. And how many people on a monger board rent 5 star hotels? Especially in AC where 5 star is pretty much non existent.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2748387]Applying 1st world logic in Angeles City works about as well as grilling a popsicle. The employees will do what their boss tells them to and can care less about whether or not they do business with you. And how many people on a monger board rent 5 star hotels? Especially in AC where 5 star is pretty much non existent.[/QUOTE]So basically, its a sh*t-show, much like before pandemic? All systems nominal.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2748387]Applying 1st world logic in Angeles City works about as well as grilling a popsicle. The employees will do what their boss tells them to and can care less about whether or not they do business with you. [/QUOTE]LOL. He said all that as if this was the Paris thread. I learned what you said a long time ago when I went to McDonald's at the end of Fields and tried to get a burger without onions. All I did was confuse the fuck out of them and have to just take the onions off myself. They were taught to make it with onions so as far as they were concerned that is the only way the burger could come. All that first world thinking out of the box shit is not a PI trait.

The best source for current entry requirements is YOUR AIRLINE. Think about it, airlines move tens of thousands of people into the Phils, including their own employees. Airlines MUST have these details correct and up to the minute.

I have found that even official Philippines websites to be out of date (WTF? Certainly, do not rely on information here or on any other website. Do your own homework.

My requirements (09/2022) were;.

1) ONE HEALTH PASS; You must sign up within 72 hours of departure. Covid vaccination proof required. Fill out the online form (5 minutes if your information is assembled) and you will get a QR code instantly.

2) PROOF OF COVID VACCINATION.

3) EXIT FLIGHT FROM PHILS (more on this below).

Philppines requires that you hold an exit airline ticket from Phils. This ticket should depart WITHIN 30 DAYS of arrival. Otherwise some jerk might hassle you.

Best to PRINT 1) and 2) and 3), highlight key details, encase in plastic sheets. This makes it look like you know what you are doing.

Pro tip; I notice that people who put 1) and 2) and 3) on their phone instead of actually printing it all really slowed down the line. Of course, you carry a backup copy on your phone.

RECENT COVID TEST; not required.

HEALTH INSURANCE; not required.

PROOF OF STRONG MORAL CHARACTER; fortunately, not required.

In my case, I have no definite plan on leaving Phils so I did book a one way ticket into the Phils. I know of two options to produce an exit ticket.

[URL]ONWARDTICKET.COM[/URL]

This worked for me. I 'rented' a REAL airline ticket out of the Phils. The $14 ticket is good for 48 hours, you can get a ticket good for two weeks for $63. Site is easy to use. Best to make sure this booking is on an airline that is not easy for a gate agent to check (NOT the gate agent's own airline or affiliate). [URL]Onwardticket.com[/URL] gave me a ticket to BKK through Seoul on JEJU AIR.

JEJU AIR? WTF I thought, did I just get scammed? No, It IS a real Korean Airline. I have never heard of them. No way a busy gate agent can run that down. Perfect!

FAKE TICKET SITES.

There are several of these around. You provide all the details and you get a total fake ticket printed. I did not think their sample ticket looked authenticate enough. I got about halfway through the process, the site was difficult to use, and my spidey-senses made me think I was being phished. One of my friends has success with these sites. Sorry no details.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2748711]
1) ONE HEALTH PASS; You must sign up within 72 hours of departure. Covid vaccination proof required. Fill out the online form (5 minutes if your information is assembled) and you will get a QR code instantly.

2) PROOF OF COVID VACCINATION.

[/QUOTE]Correct intel, you might want to add to that you need three shots (for Pfizer / Moderna) to be considered "boostered" and eligible for test-free entry. They were picky about the dates, otherwise it was a breeze coming in with a screenshot of the QR code.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2748711]The best source for current entry requirements is YOUR AIRLINE. Think about it, airlines move tens of thousands of people into the Phils, including their own employees. Airlines MUST have these details correct and up to the minute.

I have found that even official Philippines websites to be out of date (WTF? Certainly, do not rely on information here or on any other website. Do your own homework.

My requirements (09/2022) were;.

1) ONE HEALTH PASS; You must sign up within 72 hours of departure. Covid vaccination proof required. Fill out the online form (5 minutes if your information is assembled) and you will get a QR code instantly.

2) PROOF OF COVID VACCINATION.

3) EXIT FLIGHT FROM PHILS (more on this below).

Philppines requires that you hold an exit airline ticket from Phils. This ticket should depart WITHIN 30 DAYS of arrival. Otherwise some jerk might hassle you.

Best to PRINT 1) and 2) and 3), highlight key details, encase in plastic sheets. This makes it look like you know what you are doing.

Pro tip; I notice that people who put 1) and 2) and 3) on their phone instead of actually printing it all really slowed down the line. Of course, you carry a backup copy on your phone.

RECENT COVID TEST; not required.

HEALTH INSURANCE; not required.

PROOF OF STRONG MORAL CHARACTER; fortunately, not required.

In my case, I have no definite plan on leaving Phils so I did book a one way ticket into the Phils. I know of two options to produce an exit ticket.

[URL]ONWARDTICKET.COM[/URL]

This worked for me. I 'rented' a REAL airline ticket out of the Phils. The $14 ticket is good for 48 hours, you can get a ticket good for two weeks for $63. Site is easy to use. Best to make sure this booking is on an airline that is not easy for a gate agent to check (NOT the gate agent's own airline or affiliate). [URL]Onwardticket.com[/URL] gave me a ticket to BKK through Seoul on JEJU AIR.

JEJU AIR? WTF I thought, did I just get scammed? No, It IS a real Korean Airline. I have never heard of them. No way a busy gate agent can run that down. Perfect!

FAKE TICKET SITES.

There are several of these around. You provide all the details and you get a total fake ticket printed. I did not think their sample ticket looked authenticate enough. I got about halfway through the process, the site was difficult to use, and my spidey-senses made me think I was being phished. One of my friends has success with these sites. Sorry no details.[/QUOTE]Good info here. What about fake accommodation sites that you can show to family to prove that you are not in a known mongering destination?

Does anyone know if the 'Fly The Bus' or 'Southern Cross' buses are still operating? Are there any foreigner buses that travel back and forth from AC to Manila? Or Subic? I know the public buses are still running.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2749132]Good info here. What about fake accommodation sites that you can show to family to prove that you are not in a known mongering destination?[/QUOTE]On Agoda, many hotels offer two prices for the same room: 1) The regular (higher usually) priced room, with a free cancellation (REFUND); and 2) The lower priced room that comes with NO REFUND. See pic. You could just make a reservation for somewhere in your safe non-mongering city at the higher-priced room, print it out, then cancel it for a refund.

"I am NOT in Philippines drinking with Westy. Honey I am in Scotland golfing!" Of course now you must photoshop some fake pics of yourself on the green.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2748711]The best source for current entry requirements is YOUR AIRLINE. Think about it, airlines move tens of thousands of people into the Phils, including their own employees. Airlines MUST have these details correct and up to the minute.[/QUOTE]Yes and no. There have been several times where I have had to show airlines staff thier own policies or how X passport is treated by Z country.

Having said that, tread carefully because if you piss them off, then you are going nowhere.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2748207]This had happened at at least 3 different hotels. I used Agoda or Hotels to book a room, stayed a few days, and then wanted to extend for another day or more. The hotels would not let me book directly with them. They told me they had openings but had to book through the third party hotel website. Why is that?[/QUOTE]These hotels have simply 'farmed out' their entire inventory.

Hotel Management made a decision to let AGODA handle their entire reservation system. These hotels are in essence throwing up their hands and saying we cannot manage reservations for our hotel. IMHO this is extraordinarily bad management and they lose money by doing this.

That does not mean you should not stay there. Some of these small hotels can be perfect for the Monger. But you got to do extra leg work to make a reservation.

[QUOTE=VictorHugo999;2748217]Hi SJ,

So how do non Phil dwellers like me get a confirmed room to arrive to when the prices of the hotels are not always available?

Thanks.

Victor.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to use the AGODA weasels or other third party site to find the hotel that you want. Then do the legwork to contact the hotel direct to book. Yes, there are some hotels where this is impossible.

Related note; when booking flights I use meta searches ([URL]Kayak.com[/URL], Google Flights) to find the best deal and then I go direct to the airline site to book the same flight (s).

Jessica, Wari princess from Mindanao.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2749221]Yes and no. There have been several times where I have had to show airlines staff thier own policies or how X passport is treated by Z country.

Having said that, tread carefully because if you piss them off, then you are going nowhere.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I have found I useful, in the Covid chaos, to get details from various sources with the airline funded join sherpa [URL]https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions?affiliateId=sherpa&language=en-US[/URL] being very good but not sufficient. I checked ferry companies too as this was important with various countries changing their rules from one day to the next. Eg Dutch people could fly from Portugal to the Netherlands but not from Spain, evne though they could go from Spain to Portugal and then fly.

I would not rely on airline / airport staff who often get the passports (and therefore v isa requirements) of the PLR of China and the Republic of China (Taiwan) refused. Also, some Western fascist countries ask you to propduce cash. But some travellers from some countries eg Japan have been refused for having plastic.

I've been pulled for having no check in luggage and I explain to them I do not see heck in luggage when entering or exiting the Philippines as they are crooks.

I don't think they run these days. The big buses are not bad.

[QUOTE=Psriches;2749137]Does anyone know if the 'Fly The Bus' or 'Southern Cross' buses are still operating? Are there any foreigner buses that travel back and forth from AC to Manila? Or Subic? I know the public buses are still running.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2749221]Yes and no. There have been several times where I have had to show airlines staff thier own policies or how X passport is treated by Z country.

[/QUOTE]I was checking into my flight which made a plane change in China with a 3 hour layover. The ticket agent lady asked me if I had a visa and I informed her I do not need one. First, I am not leaving the airport so do not need a visa. Second, China had just implemented a 48 hour visa free stamp.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2749186]On Agoda, many hotels offer two prices for the same room: 1) The regular (higher usually) priced room, with a free cancellation (REFUND); and 2) The lower priced room that comes with NO REFUND. See pic. You could just make a reservation for somewhere in your safe non-mongering city at the higher-priced room, print it out, then cancel it for a refund.

"I am NOT in Philippines drinking with Westy. Honey I am in Scotland golfing!" Of course now you must photoshop some fake pics of yourself on the green.[/QUOTE]"Fam, I am going to Seoul and Busan".

Two weeks later:

"Hey CenTex! Google Maps here! It's been two weeks since your visits to Fields Street, Burgos Street, LA Cafe, care to leave any reviews?

Thank you, Google.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2749378]"Fam, I am going to Seoul and Busan".

Two weeks later:

"Hey CenTex! Google Maps here! It's been two weeks since your visits to Fields Street, Burgos Street, LA Cafe, care to leave any reviews?

Thank you, Google.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Not to mention FB, Google etc's targeted advertising.

"Honey, why am I getting all these suggestions for Viagra and ST hotels in Pattaya?

I made visit to Angeles from the USA after 3 years. Here are my experiences:

Bars: Went to Club Sky and another one across from La Bamba. The bar fine was 4000-5000 PP range. Girls were decent. Depending on girl it could be long or short time.

Fields avenue was business, but you see many places on walking street closing down.

Hotels: Stayed at the ABC. A little pricey but made up for it in terms of great service and quality food.

I spent another 5 days in AC and here are some general observations.

1. Monday to Wed is very slow. Not many mongers but a lot of girls. Things start picking up Thu for the weekend.

2. A lot of bars are Korean owned but the girls seem to go with everyone. I barfined out of 3 Korean owned bars and the girls all agreed with no fuss. A good thing about the Korean bars is the girls are trained to go Long Time. I barfined a couple out of a bar at 2 pm and they stayed through the next morning with no issues and 3 x boom boom was understood. Plus they at least have some standards for the girls they hire.

3. Some bars had not a single girl you would even buy a drink for let alone bar fine.

4. Why is it that waitresses are prettier than the dancers in almost all the bars?

5. Girls attitudes vary a lot. In Lollipop and Shooters the girls were energetic, dancing, lap dancing for drinks and wear bikinis. In 123 bar they wore their street clothes and sat on the stage with their back to customers playing on their phones. Guess which ones were making drink money? LOL.

6. You can find a gem now and then at the Raymond ST bars. I found a skinny 18 yo that probably weighed 75 lbs but was the wildest thing in bed. All for 1500 Peso.

Anyway, 2 trips to AC this year is probably enough for me. Probably hit Pattaya next time.

This girl is far better looking than this pic shows. She was damn near perfect and she sure knew it. She was a good performer but she had a bitchy little attitude. That just increased the joy I felt when I grabbed her by the ears and pounded my turgid trouser snake against the back of her throat.

I have another handle on Pi at Night and been going to AC since 2005. I ate at Louis's brothers' Pizza place a few times. Never met Louis himself but have met many who knew him.

Was Louis kidnapped and then murdered? Is that the jist of it? It is a a topic that can't be posted on PI at Night. I am just curious. Last I heard is his club High Society was doing great along with his hotel and then someone kidnapped him for ransom. Or at least that seems like what happened.

Was it like the guy who sold Cheese and food around AC who wore a backwards hat? Then a gang on motorcycles killed him. Apparently for taking customers?

I am sure this post is esoteric for most of you all. And if you are still reading. It would seem keeping a very owe profile and NOT competing with local businesses is quite healthy to say the least.

As far as Louis from Louis Grand goes. I am simply curious. Can't understand why I can't post about it on other boards.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750511]I have another handle on Pi at Night and been going to AC since 2005. I ate at Louis's brothers' Pizza place a few times. Never met Louis himself but have met many who knew him.

Was Louis kidnapped and then murdered? Is that the jist of it? It is a a topic that can't be posted on PI at Night. I am just curious. Last I heard is his club High Society was doing great along with his hotel and then someone kidnapped him for ransom. Or at least that seems like what happened.

Was it like the guy who sold Cheese and food around AC who wore a backwards hat? Then a gang on motorcycles killed him. Apparently for taking customers?

I am sure this post is esoteric for most of you all. And if you are still reading. It would seem keeping a very owe profile and NOT competing with local businesses is quite healthy to say the least.

As far as Louis from Louis Grand goes. I am simply curious. Can't understand why I can't post about it on other boards.[/QUOTE]I think a version is posted openly on the internet. I recall it was to do with asset ownership remembering that foreigners have restrictions on what they can own. Therefor they they need to have local business partners. As the net worth of the investment would have been growing there would have been envy about the returns being received. Eventually it would have become cheaper to have the gentleman removed and disappeared allowing the assets to be wholly owned by the surviving business partners.

I think the "proof" that he wasn't murdered was that after his disappearance his phone was calling or messaging from Thailand. Problem was that his passport was still in PH.

I see that the hotel itself is looking pretty rundown.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750511]I have another handle on Pi at Night and been going to AC since 2005. I ate at Louis's brothers' Pizza place a few times. Never met Louis himself but have met many who knew him..[/QUOTE]Try this link for one version: [URL]https://3dprint.com/149554/where-is-lewis-yakich/[/URL].

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750511]I have another handle on Pi at Night and been going to AC since 2005. I ate at Louis's brothers' Pizza place a few times. Never met Louis himself but have met many who knew him.

Was Louis kidnapped and then murdered? Is that the jist of it? It is a a topic that can't be posted on PI at Night. I am just curious. Last I heard is his club High Society was doing great along with his hotel and then someone kidnapped him for ransom. Or at least that seems like what happened.

Was it like the guy who sold Cheese and food around AC who wore a backwards hat? Then a gang on motorcycles killed him. Apparently for taking customers?

I am sure this post is esoteric for most of you all. And if you are still reading. It would seem keeping a very owe profile and NOT competing with local businesses is quite healthy to say the least.

As far as Louis from Louis Grand goes. I am simply curious. Can't understand why I can't post about it on other boards.[/QUOTE]Foreigners can not own property / land (FYI a condo is not land) so must have local partners who will own 51%. Business does good so the foreigner disappears thanks to his business partners and rice field nearby. Now the partners who once owned 51% now own 100% through some simple contractual legalize.

Same story is the foreigner who thinks he has rights and the law will be fair to him marries a Filipina. They build or buy a house. They go on a week vacation and when they return her family and her first real Filipino husband have moved in. Foreigner is kicked to the curb and not a damn thing he can do about it 99% of the time since they will have family and friends in the justice system and tons of witnesses saying the foreigner did X, why and Z to the poor girl.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750511]I have another handle on Pi at Night and been going to AC since 2005. I ate at Louis's brothers' Pizza place a few times. Never met Louis himself but have met many who knew him.

Was Louis kidnapped and then murdered? Is that the jist of it? It is a a topic that can't be posted on PI at Night. I am just curious. Last I heard is his club High Society was doing great along with his hotel and then someone kidnapped him for ransom. Or at least that seems like what happened.

Was it like the guy who sold Cheese and food around AC who wore a backwards hat? Then a gang on motorcycles killed him. Apparently for taking customers?

I am sure this post is esoteric for most of you all. And if you are still reading. It would seem keeping a very owe profile and NOT competing with local businesses is quite healthy to say the least.

As far as Louis from Louis Grand goes. I am simply curious. Can't understand why I can't post about it on other boards.[/QUOTE]Expats don't want to talk about Lewis' disappearance because they don't want to end up like him. Obviously, plenty of folks know what happened, and there were a couple others that disappeared also and one expat businessman who left AC and has never returned. It is such a shame that a guy with his vision and business acumen ended up as he did. Also, the Lewis Grand is currently closed and is in such a shameful state of disrepair. He disappeared on November 6th of 2015: raise a glass on that day for a real legend of AC.

Laundry service in AC is quite good, and cheap.

I pay 200 p-400 p per week and I do go through a lot of sweaty, sex soiled clothes.

This week, however, I found an additional item in my cleaned laundry that was not mine; a pair of women's panties.

Even worse; they were granny panties.

On the up side, the granny panties were a perfect fit and when I wear them I have all these strange new feelings.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2750674]This week, however, I found an additional item in my cleaned laundry that was not mine; a pair of women's panties. Even worse; they were granny panties.

On the up side, the granny panties were a perfect fit and when I wear them I have all these strange new feelings.[/QUOTE]Ahem. I'd like those back, please.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750511]
Was it like the guy who sold Cheese and food around AC who wore a backwards hat? Then a gang on motorcycles killed him. Apparently for taking customers?
[/QUOTE]Is this about the white guy who sold chocolates and snacks inside the bars as an ambulant vendor, or another guy? If I recall correctly that guy (Belgian?) was once attacked by someone, but survived that attempt.

The Lewis Grand has been in a state of disrepair since 2015 when the owner disappeared. It's a big crumbling mess. In its heyday it had the biggest bed I had ever seen in the deluxe room. It could comfortably fit four hookers and one fat monger.

Does anyone know much about the owner of the ABC Hotel, Gerard Heinen? Is he the son of a Philippines senator? He's half Dutch and half Filipino. GE is a good friend of his it seems. Anyhow, here is IG:

[URL]https://instagram.com/g.heinen?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL]

Thanks guys. Didn't think to Google him. Man what a Saga. Hope is in Thailand under an assumed name or something. But in any regard your comments are somewhat consistent to what my guess was. Basically trust no one and a business deal gone bad mixed with greed and lust. Thanks again Asian Pursuits, LoveIthere69 and DocWiltro for the Wisdom and links.

Pete Nut. That is Chocolate Dave. Different person. I of course bought his chocolates and recycled them to the girls. He would walk into Champagne club and I sometimes would buy. Nice guy. Heard he got shot. But survived.

The guy who sold cheese who was murdered was named Billy. He had the handle Amarillodelsol. Ironically it seems the same type of situation. I am not an expat but it does make sense to really stay below the radar and not get into business. Especially with partners over there.

Peace to all.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2750905]That is Chocolate Dave. Different person. I of course bought his chocolates and recycled them to the girls. He would walk into Champagne club and I sometimes would buy. Nice guy. Heard he got shot. But survived.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. Nice guy yes, started out as a maverick white vendor but was accepted into the local Vendors association and came with their patches. He started out making his own (Belgian) chocolates, but later switched to cheap Chinese chocolate. But I guess it worked, guys don't come to AC for quality chocolate. Or anything quality for that matter.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2750605]Foreigners can not own property / land (FYI a condo is not land) so must have local partners who will own 51%. Business does good so the foreigner disappears thanks to his business partners and rice field nearby. Now the partners who once owned 51% now own 100% through some simple contractual legalize.

Same story is the foreigner who thinks he has rights and the law will be fair to him marries a Filipina. They build or buy a house. They go on a week vacation and when they return her family and her first real Filipino husband have moved in. Foreigner is kicked to the curb and not a damn thing he can do about it 99% of the time since they will have family and friends in the justice system and tons of witnesses saying the foreigner did X, why and Z to the poor girl.[/QUOTE]Same stories come out of Thailand.

House built, foreign guy makes a short trips.

To their country. On his return, wife girlfriend is not around and rest of family refuse his entry. Money Gone?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2751122]Same stories come out of Thailand.

House built, foreign guy makes a short trips.

To their country. On his return, wife girlfriend is not around and rest of family refuse his entry. Money Gone?[/QUOTE]Except the part about marrying a Filipino who's already married is crap. All legal marriages here are registered and proof the eligibility to marry must be presented. Yes, horror stories abound and yes, some of them are true, but the part about marrying a Filipina who's already married. Not so much.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2751123]Except the part about marrying a Filipino who's already married is crap. All legal marriages here are registered and proof the eligibility to marry must be presented. Yes, horror stories abound and yes, some of them are true, but the part about marrying a Filipina who's already married. Not so much.

GE.[/QUOTE]Divorce is illegal in the Philippines except for rare exceptions but happens all the time. In the Phils you can have someone whacked for $500 by two guys on a motorcycle. But I can not get a registered marriage to disappear for $100? You think there is some countrywide database for this? Most are locally filed whether it be paper or electronic.

FYI Back in the day (just 10 years ago) I did not know a single bar girl with a fake ID. I knew several. But that could not be possible because that too has a centralized database. Phils does not even have a Social Security type system with unique numbers to identify their citizens.

SE from Manila. I would give her an 8 or so in looks. In my earlier mongering days I likely would have passed on this one, but something in the interview told me SE was a real player. Damn – did I get that correct, and then some!

Back in the hotel room I get SE undressed and I find SE is much hotter than I thought – and a perfect little ass!

Game on!

Now here things take a turn. SE wants to do all the driving. Well okay then Filipina, let's see what ya got. First, SE starts sucking my custard launcher so hard I thought my skull was going to cave in. At one point I wanted to tell SE that she was sucking too hard (something that I did not think was possible) but I found that my mouth was not able to form words.

I lost track of time, but this LBFM put me through three rounds of some truly hard fucking.

There was no kissing.

There was no cuddling.

There was no tenderness of any kind!

Just three solid rounds of wake-up-the-neighbors furniture-breaking how-did-we-end-up-over-here down-and-dirty fucking.

She treated me like a human dildo!

After, round three I told her to leave my meat puppet alone and that I had to sleep.

She got up, leaned against the counter, slowly smoked a cigarette, and just kind of looked at Sailor Jack lying there on the bed – panting and sobbing.

I managed round 4 in the morning. My back and my pink cigar were sore for days. But it was a good sore.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2751123]Except the part about marrying a Filipino who's already married is crap. All legal marriages here are registered and proof the eligibility to marry must be presented. Yes, horror stories abound and yes, some of them are true, but the part about marrying a Filipina who's already married. Not so much.[/QUOTE]Ya the idea that a pinay would marry twice in Phils, on the possibility of the foreigner husband *might* fork over money for property and a home, might be out there. While its possible that the family would end up with the property / home and the foreigner ejected from the place, its also quite possible the pinay would be jailed and prosecuted for: 1) Sleeping with another man while still married to the first husband; 2) Falsifying documents (the CenOMar); and 3) Bigamy. Also there is a better than 50% chance she'd get stopped from marriage at the Cenomar level. Who would risk that? Even if she was successful at getting the land / home for her family, the same law enforcement that might toss the foreigner from his wife's property, might be facing his lawyer who would be insisting they investigate the double-marriage wife herself. Failure to do so might incriminate the same law enforcers.

That said, it happens. During the last year I met 3 different gents that had given his pinay (GF, not wife) money to buy land. Then he had a home built on it for the new blended family. Then he was later not allowed to return to the home (various reasons). Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=Buscar;2749330]I don't think they run these days. The big buses are not bad.[/QUOTE]These private buses are not running at the moment. I'm in AC now and was planning g to visit Subic, but only public bus is avaiable. Or private car.

Of course. Same goes for Manila. Bus from Dau or Gemini bus from SM Clark.

Arrived here on Monday, for the first time in nearly 3 years. For information, you need to have vaccination proof and One Health Pass. This is easy to do online and costs $75. Without this you will not be allowed on your flight.

Monday night I found a nice FL along Felds near 711 store, good girl and good service too, everything I wanted. FL prices seem to range from 1500 to 2500ST up to 4 - 5 k LT. Went out again later, there are many girls hustling, and quite a few who aren't girls, some of these are quite young and attractive. Or maybe I'm just getting old. Not so many mongers, which means more intense hustling from the girls and ungirls. Tuesday I went to Kokomos for lunch and as I got close spotted a little cutie I quite liked but she was ignoring me. There was a guy trying to sell me Ciallis, and I got him to fix me up with cutie, so after lunch with her, took her back. She didn't have long but did a good job for me, BJ and sex. Turns out she was on her way to work in Shooters bar. Later I decided to try the Jelipsum massage with HJ, mentioned on here. It's really good and recommended. I took a trike to Korea Town Jolibee and kept walking along Don Juico to the yellow building on the left called Kakao, its about 200 metres past the Jolibee. Once you know it, you could take the trike there. In the evening I had a visit from an old flame from previohs visits, who also did a nice number on me, but she couldn't stay over as she had to work early in the morning. I'm staying as usual in Envy Hotel it is great for me, small convenient and very private, bit noisy at night in case you want to sleep before 3 or 4 am though. More later.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751325]Arrived here on Monday, for the first time in nearly 3 years. For information, you need to have vaccination proof and One Health Pass. This is easy to do online and costs $75. Without this you will not be allowed on your flight.[/QUOTE]What's the 75 bucks for? Vaccination card?

[URL]https://ottawape.dfa.gov.ph/index.php/2016-04-13-06-16-59/advisories/2182-advisory-on-fraudulent-one-health-pass-website[/URL]

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751309]These private buses are not running at the moment. I'm in AC now and was planning g to visit Subic, but only public bus is avaiable. Or private car.

Of course. Same goes for Manila. Bus from Dau or Gemini bus from SM Clark.[/QUOTE]Why the fuck anyone wanted to travel with these Aussie pirates was beyond me. They charged 500 peso for a ride in a Toyota mini bus with a bunch of geriatric mongers who needed 200 MG of Viagra just to pee standing up. You can get a comfortable, air conditioned, WiFi equipped public bus from Pasay to AC for 180 peso. A nice looking chick would even come on board and sell you local snacks. Meat heads. I'm glad those pricks have gone out of business.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751325]Arrived here on Monday, for the first time in nearly 3 years. For information, you need to have vaccination proof and One Health Pass. This is easy to do online and costs $75. Without this you will not be allowed on your flight.

Monday night I found a nice FL along Felds near 711 store, good girl and good service too, everything I wanted. FL prices seem to range from 1500 to 2500ST up to 4 - 5 k LT. Went out again later, there are many girls hustling, and quite a few who aren't girls, some of these are quite young and attractive. Or maybe I'm just getting old. Not so many mongers, which means more intense hustling from the girls and ungirls. Tuesday I went to Kokomos for lunch and as I got close spotted a little cutie I quite liked but she was ignoring me. There was a guy trying to sell me Ciallis, and I got him to fix me up with cutie, so after lunch with her, took her back. She didn't have long but did a good job for me, BJ and sex. Turns out she was on her way to work in Shooters bar. Later I decided to try the Jelipsum massage with HJ, mentioned on here. It's really good and recommended. I took a trike to Korea Town Jolibee and kept walking along Don Juico to the yellow building on the left called Kakao, its about 200 metres past the Jolibee. Once you know it, you could take the trike there. In the evening I had a visit from an old flame from previohs visits, who also did a nice number on me, but she couldn't stay over as she had to work early in the morning. I'm staying as usual in Envy Hotel it is great for me, small convenient and very private, bit noisy at night in case you want to sleep before 3 or 4 am though. More later.[/QUOTE]Informative report buddy. Can you pin point the Envy Hotel? Could not get it in google. Envy sports bar is one of my favourite places for breakfast. Do they have accommodation?

Regards.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2751268]Divorce is illegal in the Philippines except for rare exceptions but happens all the time. In the Phils you can have someone whacked for $500 by two guys on a motorcycle. But I can not get a registered marriage to disappear for $100? You think there is some countrywide database for this? Most are locally filed whether it be paper or electronic.

FYI Back in the day (just 10 years ago) I did not know a single bar girl with a fake ID. I knew several. But that could not be possible because that too has a centralized database. Phils does not even have a Social Security type system with unique numbers to identify their citizens.[/QUOTE]I love it when guys with little to no knowledge post stuff like this. Yes, I think—in fact I know—that there's a national database maintained by the Bureau of National Statistics, and if you think that for $100 you could get someone to tinker with the system, I have a bridge for sale in case you might be interested. "Most," are not kept locally, but in the national, electronic database, which, if you had ever actually explored the issue, you might have learned. So the answer is "no," you could not get a registered marriage "dissappeared. " Perhaps someone with real clout and connections could, but you would never meet anyone with that kind of clout.

On another, more serious note, foreign spouses of Filipinas do have property rights not afforded to other foreigners. True, they can not own land, but their names can appear on deeds, and they do have the right, in the even of the death of a spouse, to sell jointly-held property and retain the proceeds. This is a fact that is carefully explained by Department of Immigration attorneys to the foreigner as part of the 13 A acquisition process. Again, there are horror stories of (largely ignorant) foreign men buying property in the names of girlfriends and then being thrown off of the property. There's a huge difference however, between those guys and those who are married to Filipinas.

GE.

Gentlemen,

Below are a few thoughts on my recent visit to Angeles City. I only had two nights there and it was my first visit in about ten years so it was basically all new again. These are my thoughts.

[B]The City[/B] - Angeles itself is still as grungy as I remember, with incessant trike noise, horns and fumes permeating the senses. It's tolerable for a couple of days but after that I think most people would need a break.

There seems to have been very little economic development over past 10 years. In fact, the city almost seems to have regressed. I'm sure much of this is due to COVID, but there's no escaping the fact that the town is still the pits. Sorry to sound harsh, but it's true.

[B]The Girls[/B] - However, it's against this ragged backdrop that the girls really shine. I saw some real hotties walking around. If you saw these girls in New York or Tokyo they'd still turn heads, but somehow seeing them in the midst of the Angeles City grunge amplifies their sexiness. They're not everywhere, but there's enough to make you remember why you came. Mysteriously, these girls seem to disappear before making it into the walking street bars, as the quality of the girls in the bars themselves was disappointing.

After interacting with a few of the bar girls I was also reminded of a certain conservatism that the Filipinas have. While I did experience some high mileage interactions from a few of the older bar girls (see details below), the younger ones always seemed very reserved, less fun, and somewhat disconnected. It's hard to fully describe, but even in the bedroom these girls have a certain sexual conservatism that I haven't experienced in other parts of Asia. I'm curious if others have found this as well.

On a related note, a narrative I've often heard is that the girls in Angeles, and the Philippines in general, readily offer BBFS and may even actively avoid using condoms. However, I haven't found this to be true. Don't get me wrong, I've secured BBFS many times in the Philippines and did so again this trip (only my girl in Manila ultimately insisted on a condom), but all of the girls in Angeles asked for one initially. In other locations like Thailand for instance, I've found girls barely even mention condoms these days. Therefore, the earlier narrative that Angeles is the best destination for BBFS no longer seems true to me. Let me know what you all think.

[B]Walking Street[/B] - I was there on a Thursday and Friday night and it was reasonably active both nights. Most of the bars were open but I saw a lot of "help wanted" signs and many of the bars were pretty empty. Some didn't have any customers at all. Overall, it doesn't seem there are enough customers to fully support the number of bars currently open. I only spent time in 123 Club, Shooters, Monsoon, and Geckos. Barfines were around 4 K and girls were asking 3 K outside of the bar.

[B]Geckos[/B] - When I arrived, there weren't any seats available (the bar is pretty small), but there was a group of waitresses sitting at a high-top table and they offered me one of their seats. I ended up chatting with them and inevitably buying one of them drink, then a second one, and finally a third. It was against my better judgment but it turned out to be well worth it. At one point I think I was getting a handjob by all three of these girls at the same time. This of course drew the attention of other girls who wanted in on the action (read drinks), and while passing by they would reach a hand in to give me a little jerk as well. It was good fun. I'm sure the other guys in the bar thought I was some sort of weekend millionaire. Perhaps I was. But for 30 minutes of handjobs, shoulder massages, and feeling-up tits and ass, it was money well spent (I think lady drinks were 300 PHP each). This bar was the most fun of those I visited on walking street.

[B]Monsoon Bar[/B] - This bar has a standard setup with a center stage and seating on the perimeter. There weren't any girls on stage but many were sitting around the bar and also standing outside. I received some nice dances from a cute older bar girl who didn't waste any time getting her hands down my pants which is always appreciated. I didn't spend much time there as it was my first night and I wanted to explore other bars, but it was a good spot. I intended to return but never made it back. I'd put this one on your list to visit.

[B]123 Club[/B] - This bar has a unique setup that I haven't seen before. The girls don't dance; they just stand on a long catwalk and wait for customers to invite them to sit down for a drink. All of the girls wear street clothes so you can't really see their bodies but this was also sort of hot. It's a Korean bar so this may be a standard approach, I'm not sure. They had a good selection of girls and they were all reasonably cute. It was probably one of the better bars in term of quality of girls. I barfined one girl here my first night and she was very nice (barring ID issue below).

[B]Hotel[/B] - I stayed at the Prime Asia hotel. The location and quality were okay, but they required both an ID and vaccination card for girls to join in the room. After I barfined my first girl from 123 Club we went back to the hotel and I learned that she didn't have her ID or vaccination card! I'm not sure how many hotels are requiring vaccination cards these days but I would consider another place as Prime Asia was very strict about this. On the other hand, how can a bargirl not carry her ID, especially knowing she'll likey be going back to a hotel with her customer? Maybe most Angeles hotels don't ask for ID, I don't know, but to me this is common sense and speaks to what I mentioned above about the girls in Angeles. Somehow they're on a different wavelength. As a comparison, I can't imagine a bar girl in Thailand coming back to the hotel without her ID. When it's time to work, they know what's up. Anyway, as a word to the wise, I would recommend confirming the ID requirements with your hotel and be sure your girl has the right docs before barfining her.

[B]Summary[/B] - The Angeles bar scene feels like it's at an inflection point. The bars are open but the customers and quality of girls hasn't fully returned yet. If they don't, it seems the number of bars will have to contract to match demand. On the other hand, if the bars are only operating for money laundering purposes as some have alluded to, then I suspect things will stay the same for a while. There will be an excess of sparsely populated bars without much growth in complementary businesses like hotels, restaurants, and stores that contribute to the type of fun, energetic environment that will draw-in visitors.

Overall, I was happy to visit Angeles and am sure I'll return again at some point, but for now I'm going to hold off to see how the situation evolves. I look forward to reading other reviews and monitoring things going forward. In the meantime, enjoy those Filipinas. There are some hotties out there to be found!

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2751375]Gentlemen,



After interacting with a few of the bar girls I was also reminded of a certain conservatism that the Filipinas have. While I did experience some high mileage interactions from a few of the older bar girls (see details below), the younger ones always seemed very reserved, less fun, and somewhat disconnected. It's hard to fully describe, but even in the bedroom these girls have a certain sexual conservatism that I haven't experienced in other parts of Asia. I'm curious if others have found this as well.

On a related note, a narrative I've often heard is that the girls in Angeles, and the Philippines in general, readily offer BBFS and may even actively avoid using condoms. However, I haven't found this to be true. Don't get me wrong, I've secured BBFS many times in the Philippines and did so again this trip (only my girl in Manila ultimately insisted on a condom), but all of the girls in Angeles asked for one initially. In other locations like Thailand for instance, I've found girls barely even mention condoms these days. Therefore, the earlier narrative that Angeles is the best destination for BBFS no longer seems true to me. Let me know what you all think.

[/QUOTE]I used to love AC more for the fun in the bars than the sex. Those days are gone. You are correct, many girls, especially younger ones just sit there next to you like little miss prim and proper and expect you to buy them overpriced drinks. I always grab some boobs and ass even if it makes them squirm because cmon, I'm not paying to discuss the global financial crisis. Some bars still have it right. Lollipop and Geckos are both good for higher mileage drinks.

As for BBFS, yes an occasional girl or two may bring up the see word but none have ever insisted. At the most its "please don't come inside" request which I usually honor by spraying her face instead. There were a pair of girls I met in a bar that promised an off hour 3 some and in the negotiation started with a ridiculous price of 4 K each, settled for 2. 5 K each but then brought up using condoms. At this point I dropped the discussion because she was acting all princess-like but I am sure she would have backed off had I insisted. They kept messaging me but I ended up blocking them. Sometimes when you take two girls they like to pretend to each other that they always use condoms but of course they don't. I think AC is still by far the most reliable place for default BBFS.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2751371]I love it when guys with little to no knowledge post stuff like this. Yes, I thinkin fact I knowthat there's a national database maintained by the Bureau of National Statistics, and if you think that for $100 you could get someone to tinker with the system, I have a bridge for sale in case you might be interested. "Most," are not kept locally, but in the national, electronic database, which, if you had ever actually explored the issue, you might have learned. So the answer is "no," you could not get a registered marriage "dissappeared. " Perhaps someone with real clout and connections could, but you would never meet anyone with that kind of clout.

On another, more serious note, foreign spouses of Filipinas do have property rights not afforded to other foreigners. True, they can not own land, but their names can appear on deeds, and they do have the right, in the even of the death of a spouse, to sell jointly-held property and retain the proceeds. This is a fact that is carefully explained by Department of Immigration attorneys to the foreigner as part of the 13 A acquisition process. Again, there are horror stories of (largely ignorant) foreign men buying property in the names of girlfriends and then being thrown off of the property. There's a huge difference however, between those guys and those who are married to Filipinas.

GE.[/QUOTE]While I agree with you that it is not easily possible to get a legally marriage to disappear or is it easy to get a divorce in the pi.

However thinking that foreigners have any rignts or are protected by law because they are married to a pinay is just naive IMHO.

As has happened to many if a pinay wife wants her husband off of her land and out of her house then a quick word in the ear of her Brothers or her policeman cousin and the foreigner will be had a word with at first, don't listen then next might be a beating or a gun to the face, continue to make problems then the problem can quite easily and cheaply dissappear permanently.

Know of multiple foreigners that were married to the my one is different wife only to have to return to their home countries with their tail between their legs and broke.

Personal friend has just been told by his wife that she wants him out of her house and to not return, my friend told the wife that he would go to the police or courts for help, her answer go right ahead, ill tell the police and courts you sexualy abused my young daughters, guess what, he left with nothing.

Not saying all pinays are bad, but its fair to say that foreigners have very little rights should the shit hit the fan.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2751454]While I agree with you that it is not easily possible to get a legally marriage to disappear or is it easy to get a divorce in the pi.

However thinking that foreigners have any rignts or are protected by law because they are married to a pinay is just naive IMHO.

As has happened to many if a pinay wife wants her husband off of her land and out of her house then a quick word in the ear of her Brothers or her policeman cousin and the foreigner will be had a word with at first, don't listen then next might be a beating or a gun to the face, continue to make problems then the problem can quite easily and cheaply dissappear permanently.

Know of multiple foreigners that were married to the my one is different wife only to have to return to their home countries with their tail between their legs and broke.

Personal friend has just been told by his wife that she wants him out of her house and to not return, my friend told the wife that he would go to the police or courts for help, her answer go right ahead, ill tell the police and courts you sexualy abused my young daughters, guess what, he left with nothing.

Not saying all pinays are bad, but it’s fair to say that foreigners have very little rights should the shit hit the fan.[/QUOTE]And I'm not saying that this never happens. On the other hand, all of my expat friends here are married, and have been so for quite a while and none have experienced any of the problems you describe. As always, I suppose, the satisfaction derived from a marital relationship depends on the character of the two people involved. I don't know anyone within my circle—which is admittedly not a random sample—to whom the sorts of things you describe would happen. I'm also aware that there are lots of variables, but I suspect the background of the women who would commit such actions isn't sterling. Anything else I have to say would be too personally revealing and so I'll refrain from further comments, but I think the old adage "marry in haste and repent at leisure" might apply in some of these cases.

GE.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2751375]At one point I think I was getting a handjob by all three of these girls at the same time. This of course drew the attention of other girls who wanted in on the action (read drinks), and while passing by they would reach a hand in to give me a little jerk as well. [/QUOTE]I would hate to be the next customer coming in to order something after everyone in the bar has been playing with your dick. I know them nasty hoes didn't wash their hands after.

Philippine Identification System Act.

A national identification system for the Philippines was proposed as early as the 1990's. However previous efforts to legislate the system has failed due to concerns in privacy and lack of support from the Congress.

In mid-2016, Quezon City Representative Feliciano Belmonte Jr. And Senator Antonio Trillanes filed House of Representative Bill No. 12 and Senate Bill No. 95 for an identification system for Filipino citizens residing in the Philippines and abroad. Belmonte claims at the time of filing that the Philippines is one of only nine countries in the world without a national id system.

The framework for a Philippine national identity card system was established on August 6, 2018, when President Rodrigo Duterte signed into law the Philippine Identification System Act (R. A. 11055). Section 9 of the Act requires every Philippine citizen and resident alien to personally register with the Philippine ID system.

This is an example of how far behind they are in knowing their own people. Tens of thousands of babies each year are born at home and not in hospitals. Until the parents go to a government agency to get an ID for their kid or enroll the kid in school they cease to exist in many instances and will not show up at your Philippine Statistical Authority. Phil citizens by law do not even have to register for Philsys (though makes life very difficult). As of Sept 22,2022 15 million IDs have been issued. So only 90 million left to go. But the Philippine Statistical Authority's marriage database is 100% up to date. Sorry but many barangay level governments are not very efficient or trustworthy to actually do their job. Girls can get legally married but do not get the marriage filed and documented and just burn up the paperwork, or get married by a non-priest friend and sign fake marriage paperwork. So many ways to make this happen.

There is a guy here in USA who married a Filipina, brought her here, and had kids with her. He bought land in the Philippines to farm and planning his retirement. She left him for another Filipino here in the USA and took the kids. But he is wise enough to know that that land is now hers. Why? Simply because she has an uncle who is a judge in that province who knows other judges who know police officers who know bad people who do bad stuff.

Just Not Good Enough.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751325]Arrived here on Monday, for the first time in nearly 3 years. For information, you need to have vaccination proof and One Health Pass. This is easy to do online and costs $75. Without this you will not be allowed on your flight.

Monday night I found a nice FL along Felds near 711 store, good girl and good service too, everything I wanted. FL prices seem to range from 1500 to 2500ST up to 4 - 5 k LT. Went out again later, there are many girls hustling, and quite a few who aren't girls, some of these are quite young and attractive. Or maybe I'm just getting old. Not so many mongers, which means more intense hustling from the girls and ungirls. Tuesday I went to Kokomos for lunch and as I got close spotted a little cutie I quite liked but she was ignoring me. There was a guy trying to sell me Ciallis, and I got him to fix me up with cutie, so after lunch with her, took her back. She didn't have long but did a good job for me, BJ and sex. Turns out she was on her way to work in Shooters bar. Later I decided to try the Jelipsum massage with HJ, mentioned on here. It's really good and recommended. I took a trike to Korea Town Jolibee and kept walking along Don Juico to the yellow building on the left called Kakao, its about 200 metres past the Jolibee. Once you know it, you could take the trike there. In the evening I had a visit from an old flame from previohs visits, who also did a nice number on me, but she couldn't stay over as she had to work early in the morning. I'm staying as usual in Envy Hotel it is great for me, small convenient and very private, bit noisy at night in case you want to sleep before 3 or 4 am though. More later.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say you got ripped off, as it's free.

[URL]https://www.onehealthpass.com.ph/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2751512]I think the old adage "marry in haste and repent at leisure" might apply in some of these cases..[/QUOTE]I prefer "marry in the evening and divorce in the morning."

[QUOTE=Weldermike;2751562]Sorry to say you got ripped off, as it's free.

[URL]https://www.onehealthpass.com.ph/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hmmm my bad. OK thanks for correcting that one, other travellers take note. At least it worked and arrived very quickly on a Sunday.

Howdy fellas. I wanted to post some info that may help others on my trip so far. I've been here a couple days short of a month and plan to stay another month. Long story regarding my situation to be able to stay this long and return home. I'm not in Angeles the whole time as I explore the country but it has been my home base. I hope my report will help other new comers, encourage new comers and old timers to come back, and pay homage to all the old timers who have posted info here that I read extensively before I arrived which has helped me a great deal. One last thing is I know at times I've paid too much or made a bad calls at times heck I might be a bad person but I'm just posting to hopefully help others not debate about what I should of done, please correct me if I'm wrong about something but I'm mostly trying to post about my boots on the ground experience here. Thanks fellas, be well!

- Getting here from JFK to to Manila with a stop in Seoul I booked 3 months ago round trip for about 1000 usd, JFK was lame but the flight was smooth, Great food on the flight I really recommend Korean Airlines (keep in mind if you didn't know like me when transferring on intl flight you go through security at change airport again and have to throw away liquids again LOL).

-When I got to Manila getting in took like 2 min to get through immigration, just showed vaccine card, passport, hotel reservation (in my case showed email I had with Central Park confirming I was booking but paying cash in person for a special promo on price they had and hotel was picking me up which sufficed). They asked how long I was staying I said set for 14 days with flight but I may stay 30 days, they also asked why I was here I just said for vacation which the agent when I said this the second time she asked me and saw I was going to a hotel in Angeles gave me a bit of a look but let me through with no issues.

-Driver from Central Park was exactly in spot #2 as they emailed me he may be (spot 1 they wouldn't let people wait long in). Car ride was smooth pleasant with the perfect amount of talking, I think it cost like 3 or 4 k pisos which I think for when you just get there is totally worth it, stress free easy ride on the skyway and NLEX to Angeles.

-I could go on forever about how much I love central park but in short it is a great place to stay right by the action but not loud, very classy but not over the top, amazing room selection (I don't suggest the 10th floor though as the rooftop bistro is above and noise from there I could hear in my room). I've eaten at the rooftop Bistro like 20 times, great food service, views, and the pool is very relaxing. Hotel also has laundry service.

-Central Park gave me no issues at all bringing back girls, no questions or hassle, the only thing they did actually made me laugh in a good way when I let one girl leave without me going downstairs with her they didn't let her leave until the hotel called my room to make sure it was ok for her to leave, really good to know if a girl tried to steal something and sneak out that is a fail safe, speaking of safe they have a safe in the room here that gave me a lot of peace of mind when falling asleep with a girl in the room.

- Central Park is about 65 bucks a night depending what room you get, highly worth it especially if your just on vacation timeline. They clean rooms everyday, staff is super friendly and knowing you have good food on the roof is nice when some of the other food options here don't seem so appealing. 2 min or less walk to walking st main area, 10 min walk to SM Clark, Trike guys always a step away if needed, jeepney terminals 10 min or less away. Astro Park for basketball around 5 am or 4 pm (best times when it's not hot) 8 min away. They also have great wifi.

I said this would be short but now I'm realizing it's long already my badz LOL. Time to get to what we all want to know the ladies!!

On walking st most spots barfine is 4000 php for LT (long time), some bars on fields ave and further down Don Jucio ave 3000-3500. The ones on walking st really don't budge in my experience on the 4000 as they are in the prime spot but not sure if I pushed hard enough to see if they do as for the quality of what I was getting I though 4000 was good. Some bars like Lollipop you can tell have more attractive girls but I found in all the bars at least 3-4 girls who look really good and a couple of stunners, doesn't seem like much but usually only a couple customers in all of them.

I don't know about freelance prices as I didn't find any that interest me and I prefer the bar girls in my opinion they have a lot of incentive to do well and you get a good opportunity to check them out and see there energy levels and how fun they will be while in the bar and which ones might just be dead fish or more attitude than one would hope for when there paying for service.

The reason I think bar girls have more incentive to do well as even though you have already paid the bar customers are hard to come by so a girl providing poor service has to come back to that bar and if you have really chatted it up with the Mamasan letting her know you may be a repeat customer to there bar they are going to make sure you are treated well. All this may not tie in perfectly but I have had mostly good service from bar girls especially when I take the time to pick the ones that really seem into me. Don't get suckered into too many lady drinks, I'll buy the girl a drink if I talk to her but I usually make my decision just watching for a while and I'll buy the Mamasan a drink as I like the look of glancing at what you want while talking to the Mamasan to be a better look that you are serious about good service but it's not the only way to go. Also buying one drink for the lady or the Mamasan is plenty enough the waitress is always try to get you to do ("one more") no matter how many drinks you by for yourself or others. Also it helps to pick the drink you are buying for others as they will get something expensive if you don't speak up for what your willing to buy. No one wants to risk killing the mode but trust me fellas 90% of these places are struggling for customers to buy drinks and even more so to barfine you don't have to buy much extra to make a good impression.

I didn't really ask about ST except once when was just looking for just a BJ which I got quoted 2500 on that which I turned down but one of the gals at the bar phoned up a friend who did it for 2000 though it ended up turning into BBBFS for just 2000 as the head game was a bit weak, worked out good. She was an HR late coming to the hotel though which was annoying downside of having someone come to you possibly.

Again most bars don't have many customers but a few of them look pretty busy most nights but regardless there are Always, always be more girls than mongers everywhere which means your going to get swarmed early but you are playing with house money. It is true about the strong presence of Korean travelers and venues appealing primarily to them but I don't think it was anything too crazy and I enjoyed a lot of the Korean themed bars as they are newer and seem to have more energy. In my own observations and talks with girls and Mamasans the Korean gentleman come over with a lot of money and when they spend it they go all out but they they also don't overpay. With respect to Korean guys they known for just more straight to business, not as romantic or fun in some ways for the girls, the girls are certainly here for the money and are going to pick a Korean man over a Westerner if they had to pick which I can't blame them but the idea of relationship beyond Angeles is still associated with Westerners which can lead to a lot of passion rather real or not.

Along with vaccine and testing requirements keeping some Westerns away keep in mind though they didn't make up a good amount of tourist in the past there are almost no Chinese or Japanese tourist due to covid restrictions there either still in effect or just being lifted, you can tell Angeles use to have way more customers so this is a good time to come and enjoy the ratio.

BBBFS is almost guaranteed every time but be sure to be sure talk about it first before leaving the bar (just ask is no condom ok) almost always will say yes but if don't ask first you risk being asked before the action which may cost you another 1000 piso to do not condom. Out of 8 gals only like 1 gave a decent BJ, most just aren't good at it or struggle with the size (not to brag) the one who did well wasn't from Walking St area she was from far off the party area as I went for a long walk one day and found a massage spot, only 2000 for that one and in the parlor so I that would classify as ST.

All my LT sessions did last that night into the morning, longest 2 pm to 8 am. A tip 500-1000 is good, you can even tip less but I think 500-1000 on a long time is fair considering most girls only make 300 pisos a day dancing for 8-12 hrs shifts but to each his own. Got the best girl I barfined info for sessions off the book (which they can be fired for) I pay her 3000 and still get LT.

Most massages at massage parlors are 300-400 pisos and can come with a good hand job at the main stream places for another 1000 pisos or so.

Jeepney that goes down Field / Don Jucio aves to near walking st cost only 11 pisos (it is the one that says Friendship terminal, main gate, clark and is painted yellow.

Trikes are about 100-200 pisos depending where you can, locals can negotiate lower than that but 200 as a foreigner will pretty much get you anywhere in the city, try and tip 20 pisos or so if you can makes a big difference for these guys. I've never felt the need to take a taxi in this city as trikes are everywhere and way cheaper.

Anyone who holds the door for you at 7-11 is expected a couple coins when you come back out.

Red Planet is a great spot is you just want a cheap but clean room, though the wifi is awful.

Cash is king here, exchange plenty of it for what you think you will need as a lot of places don't take cards, also they will trying to do even change as often as possible expect to be asked often if you have a few pisos to make your change even if you don't no worries but it's a common thing. The mall is the best place that takes card if your trying to split how you spend your money.

One thing not surprising but has worn on me especially some days I'm not in the mood for it is being hassled every single block for something, rather it's the male enhancement guys (who don't seem to understand the words I don't use that stuff so I would never buy it), cigs, watches, wallets, calendars, fruits, massages, trike rides (the trike guys accept a no better than others to there credit) or straight up cash which makes sense as money and good jobs are hard to come by here I totally expect it but it wears on ya some days. Kids will follow you for a block or two with there hand out for cash which I try to give them something but somedays it's a bit much but it comes with being in any poor country. The lady boys will also hassle you a bit in a friendly way they make up most of the FL scene from what I can see. Be ready to tell people no at least 20 times a day.

Safety has not been an issue at all, 99% of establishments have security, there are people everywhere, the people here are kind. The whole country if you look at it especially an American prospective looks like a robbery about to happen around every other corner but I assure you are way safer than back in the states or most places on earth. Crime is not tolerated here, petty theft is possible and if your stumbling drunk at 3 am down a dark alley anything is possible but if your on walking st and got your pockets secure you have nothing to worry about.

I'll go in more details on the clubs later as some spots are very special like Genius has a nice dance show, Aqua Beach is a site to see, Lollipop has a great light show at night but for this post I wanted to through something out there. I hope brothers especially in America get here soon to get out of the Matrix, here you can have stunner in your bed within an hour of getting here for 70 bucks for one of the best nights of your life. If your into dating Angeles may not be the best place to start but overall in PH if you just kindly communicate and have some game you can find a wife who will treat you well very quickly. Thanks to all who have posted for your information has made for a very smooth trip for me.

Is the pool party back on at Score Birds? Website is a little confusing as it says they are on every Saturday and every third Sunday. I think it's probably the latter, hoping it's a Saturday though.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2752491]Is the pool party back on at Score Birds? Website is a little confusing as it says they are on every Saturday and every third Sunday. I think it's probably the latter, hoping it's a Saturday though.[/QUOTE]Recent pic attached from the SB bar. Every third Sunday, 2-6 pm.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2752526]Recent pic attached from the SB bar. Every third Sunday, 2-6 pm.[/QUOTE]Thanks, it's same poster on the website. Going up there for a weekend soon, seemed like a good way to 'waste' a Saturday afternoon. Don't think I'll bother on a Sunday and get back to Manila post check out.

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752398]

Trikes are about 100-200 pisos depending where you can, locals can negotiate lower than that but 200 as a foreigner will pretty much get you anywhere in the city, try and tip 20 pisos or so if you can makes a big difference for these guys. I've never felt the need to take a taxi in this city as trikes are everywhere and way cheaper.

Anyone who holds the door for you at 7-11 is expected a couple coins when you come back out.

[/QUOTE]Great advice. Unlike in other parts of the Philippines, the AC trike drivers provide extra courteous service and are held in very high regard. P200 is very cheap for a comfortable trike ride within Balibago and you did the right thing to tip the poor guys on top of those cheap rides!

Regarding the 7-11 door technicians I think you lowballed it a bit, usually I give them at least a crisp P 20 bill, or a 50.

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752398]Trikes are about 100-200 pisos depending where you can, locals can negotiate lower than that but 200 as a foreigner will pretty much get you anywhere in the city, try and tip 20 pisos or so if you can makes a big difference for these guys. I've never felt the need to take a taxi in this city as trikes are everywhere and way cheaper.[/QUOTE]After they ripped you off you gave them a tip? How many Filipinos do you think are giving tips to trike drivers? Leave your back home way of thinking back home. In Dumaguette a trike ride clear across the city is 10 pesos. Even in Bangkok an air conditioned taxi is cheaper than those ripoff tuk tuks where you will sweat your ass off and have your lungs damaged by pollution.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2752536]Great advice. Unlike in other parts of the Philippines, the AC trike drivers provide extra courteous service and are held in very high regard. P200 is very cheap for a comfortable trike ride within Balibago and you did the right thing to tip the poor guys on top of those cheap rides!

Regarding the 7-11 door technicians I think you lowballed it a bit, usually I give them at least a crisp P 20 bill, or a 50.[/QUOTE]As a reference I normally pay 100 p to the trike from walking street to candy bar.

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752398]Howdy fellas. I wanted to post some info that may help others on my trip so far......[/QUOTE]A great first report.

Definitely Rookie of the Year Award. 👍.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2752526]Recent pic attached from the SB bar. Every third Sunday, 2-6 pm.[/QUOTE]Do SB allow cameras during the pool parties?

Not being ant*ial but wannabee YouTube stars taping everyone uninvited drives me nuts. Let's face it, many guys do not want their presence at these events broadcast widely.


Edit: Wtf is anti social a banned word??

After reopening the Score Birds pool party a few months back, cameras are hard banned. Phllyinthephilippines made a video about it. Too bad, I always liked checking out the talent on youtube.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2752586]Do SB allow cameras during the pool parties?

Not being ant*ial but wannabee YouTube stars taping everyone uninvited drives me nuts. Let's face it, many guys do not want their presence at these events broadcast widely.


Edit: Wtf is anti social a banned word??[/QUOTE]

Good stuff. Totally agree on Central Park. That's my spot. Was it a totally separate payment for the ride from the airport or was somehow discounted from the room price? I usually stay in Makati for a couple of days but I think in December I'm just going to straight from the airport. Beeway Travel always does me right.

What was the BJ massage place? Vegas massage was the only 'sure thing' I found but I was always on the lookout.

Anyway jonesing to get back.

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752398]Howdy fellas. I wanted to post some info that may help others on my trip so far. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752398]Trikes are about 100-200 pisos depending where you can, locals can negotiate lower than that but 200 as a foreigner will pretty much get you anywhere in the city, try and tip 20 pisos or so if you can makes a big difference for these guys. I've never felt the need to take a taxi in this city as trikes are everywhere and way cheaper.[/QUOTE]Skip the negotiations and just book a trike using the grab app, I was seeing 77 peso's as a rate to take me from fields to the perimeter road bars. I was just checking the rates, never did try to book one since I was staying on fields. Now I did try to book a trike to the airport, the app allowed me to enter in the info and book the trike but the driver called and told me they were not allowed onto the airport property (taxi mafi). I then had to book a grab car and the driver showed up with the meter already running which was refunded back to me when I emailed in a complaint. If you have the time use Grab, might take a few minutes for the trike to show. If you have a girl in tow then just hop in the nearest trike and pay the extra or have her negotiate for you.

One day Sailor Jack is in Dollhouse having a Red Horse and minding his own business. Like always.

Sailor Jack becomes aware that several of the girls on stage are trying to get his attention. It turns out that several of them are motioning towards Cmex, who apparently has the hots for Sailor Jack. I look at Cmex and see an average looking Filipina with a huge schoolgirl blushing smile on her face. Well, Sailor Jack is known to GirlDrink a less than stellar girl just to get the bar moving. So Sailor Jack invites Cmex over for one GirlDrink. She is blushing so much that she can hardly talk. Anyway, we have one drink and Sailor Jack thinks no more of it.

Until. The next day. Cmex is texting Sailor Jack nonstop wanting to come over. Sailor Jack did not even remember having given Cmex his number. She keeps this up for several days, and although Sailor Jack has no room on his dance card for average looking pookie – Sailor Jack agrees to a nooner.

As Sailor Jack is waiting for Cmex to show up, Sailor Jack devises a plan to put a stop to this unwanted attention and texting. Sailor Jack will step up his typical aggressive / abusive game on Cmex. Sailor Jack will see just how much this trollop can take.

Cmex arrives. Cmex is dressed in a cute black dress and she has the same blushing smile on her face. The elapsed time between the entry door closing and Sailor Jack pounding his hairy canary down her throat is three seconds. Sailor Jack has her on her knees, holding her head between his hands, face fucking her head against the door. Cmex is still fully clothed but gurgling and sucking and trying to get some air between gulping and sucking. After a good 15 minutes of this romantic skull fucking, Cmex struggles to get Sailor Jacks baloney pony out of her throat. Cmex gives Sailor Jack a 'WTF' look from her knees.

Here it starts to get rough. Sailor Jack quickly moves her to the bed, gets most of her clothes off, positions Cmex on her back with her head in the middle of the bed, pinning her hands over her head on the bed, and commences a true face fucking. Sailor Jack did eventually roll Cmex over and give her a good hard doggy style fucking. Which she loved.

Sailor Jack got his fill and laid on the bed next to Cmex. Cmex never actually said a word, but at this point she did take a good look around the room. It then occurred to Sailor Jack that Cmex had not seen the room because entire time she was there Sailor Jacks tasteys were slapping against her chin.

So Cmex never actually said a word. Sure, most of the time that was because Sailor Jacks tiller was tickling her tonsils. After Cmex left Sailor Jack began to wonder if somehow he might get in trouble for the brutal face fucking. In any case, Sailor Jack thought that this session should end Cmex's constant texting.

Well, no. Sailor Jack did not get in any trouble. Turns out Cmex LOVED the rough treatment – in fact she was thrilled by it. Apparently, it was just what she wanted. Sailor Jack would see her maybe 20 times, trying to up the abuse each time, and Cmex hung right in there. Cmex, would often show up late (did you ever hear of a punctual prostitute?) for our sessions. I eventually realized that Cmex was being late on purpose just to piss me off and to motivate Sailor Jack even more.

I eventually cut Cmex off because I was worried about where all that rough stuff might lead. Thanks to Sailor Jack's diligent training. Cmex became a first rate deep throater and sub girl. You are welcome, fellow mongers.

One more Cmex pic.

Thank you! Yes totally separate payment. Good choice either way I actually came back to Makati for a few days after a week here and the hotel drove me there for same price. I've since found cheaper ways getting to Manila but it smooth relaxing ride both ways I've heard good things about Beeway Travel.

The place was Fantasy Massage on Don Jucio for the HJ. I think she offered a blow job but couldn't quite get what she was saying when she asked, usually I don't care for HJs but it was the best one I've ever had. I may check out Vegas massage.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2752642]Good stuff. Totally agree on Central Park. That's my spot. Was it a totally separate payment for the ride from the airport or was somehow discounted from the room price? I usually stay in Makati for a couple of days but I think in December I'm just going to straight from the airport. Beeway Travel always does me right.

What was the BJ massage place? Vegas massage was the only 'sure thing' I found but I was always on the lookout.

Anyway jonesing to get back.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! I think I had a thousand yard season, started fast, hit the rookie wall, had a few fumbles but I think I'm starting to come on late LOL I'm just hoping I don't play for the Detroit Lions.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2752583]A great first report.

Definitely Rookie of the Year Award. 👍.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2752650]Skip the negotiations and just book a trike using the grab app, I was seeing 77 peso's as a rate to take me from fields to the perimeter road bars. I was just checking the rates, never did try to book one since I was staying on fields. Now I did try to book a trike to the airport, the app allowed me to enter in the info and book the trike but the driver called and told me they were not allowed onto the airport property (taxi mafi). I then had to book a grab car and the driver showed up with the meter already running which was refunded back to me when I emailed in a complaint. If you have the time use Grab, might take a few minutes for the trike to show. If you have a girl in tow then just hop in the nearest trike and pay the extra or have her negotiate for you.[/QUOTE]Good info, I didn't think about using grab for trikes I may do that in the future. Your right about the airport they don't let trikes in there at all and the taxis there try and overcharge hard grab is a must for there.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2752536]Great advice. Unlike in other parts of the Philippines, the AC trike drivers provide extra courteous service and are held in very high regard. P200 is very cheap for a comfortable trike ride within Balibago and you did the right thing to tip the poor guys on top of those cheap rides!

Regarding the 7-11 door technicians I think you lowballed it a bit, usually I give them at least a crisp P 20 bill, or a 50.[/QUOTE]I agree they have always done me right and think it's worth the cost, thank you!

Perhaps I kinda go by the thinking I didn't ask them to hold the door but a 20 or 50 wouldn't hurt me I must admit. I may do that in the future.

Sorry I see what ya meant now regarding asking about the BJ not HJ massage spot the girl who gave me one doesn't work there anymore I don't know if the other staff members do BJ's (I know she doesn't work there anymore because I gave her my FB and she won't stop hitting me up, she was a good looking lady but late 30's so she can't work in the clubs so what I gave her was a very rare thing which is why she won't leave me alone LOL). I forgot the actual name of the place I just know it was about a KM down from Jollibee on the McDonalds side going away from walking st.

[QUOTE=CarolinaGuy;2752655]Thank you! Yes totally separate payment. Good choice either way I actually came back to Makati for a few days after a week here and the hotel drove me there for same price. I've since found cheaper ways getting to Manila but it smooth relaxing ride both ways I've heard good things about Beeway Travel.

The place was Fantasy Massage on Don Jucio for the HJ. I think she offered a blow job but couldn't quite get what she was saying when she asked, usually I don't care for HJs but it was the best one I've ever had. I may check out Vegas massage.[/QUOTE]

Excellent Sailor Jack. Respect to you young man.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2752653]One day Sailor Jack is in Dollhouse having a Red Horse and minding his own business. Like always.

You are welcome, fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2752653]One day Sailor Jack is in Dollhouse having a Red Horse and minding his own business. Like always.[/QUOTE]Nomination for a reports of distinction.

Few thought on the last 2 weekends barhops.

The town is very quiet for western tourists, most westerners I saw were faces I have seen over the years so mostly expats.

There are however lots of Asians around and many of these are Asians, they probably outnumber westerners 20/30 to 1.

I had been reading rave reviews on how geckos bar and lollipop bar had stunners that were willing to stay long time for 4,000 pesos, it had been some time to visit these two bars due to being disappointed in the past but I thought to start off here, sorry to say I will not be returning any time soon, the supposed stunners turned out to be older, fatter plain janes, yes buy a lady drink and the girls seemed playful with some guys grabbing at the girls which seemed accepted but in truth I did not see a girl worth buying a drink for let alone want to grab her or barfine, good if one wants interaction, terrible if one is at least the bit fussy.

The bars with the best girls are definitely the few bigger Korean owned bars on walking st, although girl numbers were well down on previous years there were at least a handful of girls in each bar that were younger, slim and fairly attractive, obviously if one is not Asian then the girls give very little attention but the shows were good, the beer cold and some ok looking girls.

I read of recent reports here that one should tip everyone they come in contact with, tip the trike driver, tip the street kids, tip the Viagra sellers, tip the guy that opens the door etc, I say, I only tip the girl that is sucking and fucking me and then only if she was good at both.

In conclusion, the night out were ok, nice to catch up with friends and pass a few hours, if one is Asian then possible to get laid by some girls, westerners to get laid have to accept the girls the Asians don't want, proof of westerners fucking stunners in Angeles is not what I have seen, most westerners I saw were sitting with older fatter plain janes in the bars or had older fatter plain janes on their arm heading home.

[QUOTE=Weldermike;2752570]As a reference I normally pay 100 p to the trike from walking street to candy bar.[/QUOTE]I have paid P50 from Dau to Candy Bar. That was some years ago though, perhaps double that may suffice now? I don't ride trikes today, either I walk short distances or grab a metered Blue Taxi, they're everywhere.

Never negotiate a trike ride in front of other trike drivers, always get one who is solo.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2752653]One day Sailor Jack is in Dollhouse having a Red Horse and minding his own business. Like always.

Sailor Jack becomes aware that several of the girls on stage are trying to get his attention. It turns out that several of them are motioning towards Cmex, who apparently has the hots for Sailor Jack. I s.[/QUOTE]Excellent.

[QUOTE=Python75;2752663]Excellent Sailor Jack. Respect to you young man.[/QUOTE]+1. I've always said it's great to unwrap an unknown pina to find a pleasant suprise inside.

We'll done.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2752756]+1. I've always said it's great to unwrap an unknown pina to find a pleasant suprise inside.

We'll done.[/QUOTE]Pleasant suprise some times, on other occasions that unwrapping reveals multiple stretch marks or a smelly pussy, smelly ass or on occasions a cock bigger than the punters.

As with all pinays, unwrapping comes in all known guise.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2752836]Pleasant suprise some times, on other occasions that unwrapping reveals multiple stretch marks or a smelly pussy, smelly ass or on occasions a cock bigger than the punters.[/QUOTE]Never had the latter but I'll plead guilty to all the others. 🙂.

Having said that, the good out number the bad and are definitely the ones that get remembered.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2752654]One more Cmex pic.[/QUOTE]I'd hit that in a second.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2752836]Pleasant suprise some times, on other occasions that unwrapping reveals multiple stretch marks or a smelly pussy, smelly ass or on occasions a cock bigger than the punters.

As with all pinays, unwrapping comes in all known guise.[/QUOTE]Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Welcome to Phils! Like the Navy: Its an adventure, not just a job.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751309]These private buses are not running at the moment. I'm in AC now and was planning to visit Subic, but only public bus is available. Or private car.

Of course. Same goes for Manila. Bus from Dau or Gemini bus from SM Clark.[/QUOTE]Did you ever make it to Subic? How did you get there?

When flying PAL you will get 10% Discount on Genesis Bus Rides like e. G. MNL. AC when showing them your PAL Boarding Card.

[URL]https://www.philippineairlines.com/newsevent-listingpage/travel-advisory/pal-partners-with-genesis-and-clark-airport-for-easy-bus-trips-to-and-from-clark[/URL]

This is good News for Cheap Charlies!

It would be nice when someone tries out this and reports, if its working.

Sailor Jack is sitting in a bar near Kokomo's drinking a San Miguel Pilsen and minding his own business like always. Sailor Jack regular N2 works at this bar and N2 comes right up to SJ. N2 says they have a new girl that Sailor Jack must meet. I would later learn that N2 had a crush on D36. (There will be more on N2 in a future post).

N2 had never recommended a girl to Sailor Jack before. D36 was brand new in the Fields Avenue bar. D36 literally just arrived from the province. D36 was 18 and she had zero bar girl attitude. D36 was a delightful high school girl and she was sweet and eager to please. D36's body was buxum and a bit of a hard body, a tight little province pookie, and a hard little Filipina ass. Buxum, non-flabby, hard body Filipinas are truly rare.

Oh – and her mangoes – they were just the greatest boner producing love pillows ever. When sleeping Sailor Jack moved D36 up in the bed and placed his head between her generous jugs. In the morning D36 had to pry Sailor Jacks lips off those lovely lady lumps.

In D36's first 2 weeks in the bar some foreigner took D36 out of the bar and married her. Good for her. D36 was no bar girl to begin with. I stayed in touch with D36 for a while. She is married and off in _ and making babies.

Ah, but those delicious mangoes!

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2753104]When flying PAL you will get 10% Discount on Genesis Bus Rides like e. G. MNL. AC when showing them your PAL Boarding Card.

[URL]https://www.philippineairlines.com/newsevent-listingpage/travel-advisory/pal-partners-with-genesis-and-clark-airport-for-easy-bus-trips-to-and-from-clark[/URL]

This is good News for Cheap Charlies!

It would be nice when someone tries out this and reports, if its working.[/QUOTE]I thought Genesis leaving from T3 may not be so attractive for PR arrivals mostly in T2 or has everything been upended since covid?

Sailor Jack attended ScoreBirds Pool Party yesterday. This event is held the third Sunday of each month with DollHouse. Entry fee is 500 p which includes an all you can eat buffet but not drinks. Beer was 100 p. A mango shake was 150 p. Hours are 2 pm-6 pm. The buffet food was average but plentiful and with a wide selection so you should be able to find something that you like.

There was a bikini beauty pageant with 17 contestants. The girls were good to excellent quality. I think that the girls were probably the best of the DollHouse line up. In between the bikini girls on stage there were entertaining and energetic dance troupes similar to or same as you would see at DollHouse. Your 500 p entry fee includes several strings of beads that are used as the 'votes' for your favorite bikini contestant.

Video and photography are strictly forbidden. I like this rule. There are too many little weasels around AC taking surreptitious video.

Overall, I would say that this is worth attending at least once.

JL photo attached. She will be covered in a future post.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2752653]Cmex became a first rate deep throater and sub girl. You are welcome, fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2753552]JL photo attached. She will be covered in a future post.[/QUOTE]Dude, I can come up with 1000 things to hate about AC but you are quickly balancing the scales. Keep enjoying yourself and bring on more great posts.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2753552]Sailor Jack attended ScoreBirds Pool Party yesterday. .....

There was a bikini beauty pageant with 17 contestants. The girls were good to excellent quality. I think that the girls were probably the best of the DollHouse line up. In between the bikini girls on stage there were entertaining and energetic dance troupes similar to or same as you would see at DollHouse. Your 500 p entry fee includes several strings of beads that are used as the 'votes' for your favorite bikini contestant...[/QUOTE]More info please from anyone who has been. Can Models be barfined directly off the stage? I'm assuming digits can be obtained for later? Or is it just buy more beads and the girls get a commission?

Sounds like a great afternoon esp if no cameras.

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2753577]More info please from anyone who has been. Can Models be barfined directly off the stage? I'm assuming digits can be obtained for later? Or is it just buy more beads and the girls get a commission?

Sounds like a great afternoon esp if no cameras.

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]Popped in for a while. Pretty OK lineup. P499 buffet was OK-ish, a shadow of its former glory, but can't complain with today's inflation, I guess. Girls seemed to keep mostly to themselves and were fed plenty SMLs, so they may be approachable later, didn't stay long though as I found the DJ / toastmaster pretty annoying. This event is currently held only on the third Sunday of every month, so plan accordingly.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2753552]Sailor Jack attended ScoreBirds Pool Party yesterday. SNIP Overall, I would say that this is worth attending at least once.

JL photo attached. She will be covered in a future post.[/QUOTE]Liking this SJ guy:

1) Good posts and pics.

2) Refers to himself in the third person.

Don't stop.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2753581]Popped in for a while. Pretty OK lineup. P499 buffet was OK-ish, a shadow of its former glory, but can't complain with today's inflation, I guess. Girls seemed to keep mostly to themselves and were fed plenty SMLs, so they may be approachable later, didn't stay long though as I found the DJ / toastmaster pretty annoying. This event is currently held only on the third Sunday of every month, so plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]Have to agree that its a shadow of its former self for fun and quality of girls.

To me the line up was nothing special, the food was just edible at best.

Seems the girls are not barfineable at the event but maybe if bought a few drinks would tell punters of what bar they worked in for the guy to follow up that evening.

Would not hurry back any time soon as nothing here that cannot be found in any bar in walking street while saving the 500 pesos entrance fee.

It used to be every Saturday, without exception. Every 3rd Sunday seems weird but I guess it's better than nothing. Was always a fun time. If it's anything like the old days, girls can't be 'barfined' from the premises, but, at the end of the show they would auction off each girl individually to sit with you and have a drink (was always kind of sad when the girl got no offers). This is prime time to exchange info and meet up with them later. But keep in mind these are mostly prime chicks so you do need some game, and / or plenty of money.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2753577]More info please from anyone who has been. Can Models be barfined directly off the stage? I'm assuming digits can be obtained for later? Or is it just buy more beads and the girls get a commission?

Sounds like a great afternoon esp if no cameras.

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]

Sailor Jack highly recommends German restaurant 2 N1 Tapsihan. See more precise details on their sign in the picture.

2 N1 Tapsihan is located directly behind Queens Hotel. Among many other food items, 2 N1 Tapsihan.

Is currently offering all-you-can-eat German Sausage and potato salad for just 199 p! This is REAL German food and the highest quality. My first serving was more than enough for me, although they tried to give me more.

2 N1 Tapsihan is owned by a German / Filipina couple who own several international businesses. These good folks are fascinating to talk with.

I hope that they are very successful. Please give them a try!

Photo; Racer1 will be covered in an upcoming post.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2753581]Popped in for a while...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2753611]...This is prime time to exchange info and meet up with them later. But keep in mind these are mostly prime chicks so you do need some game, and / or plenty of money.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. Definitely sounds worth a visit.

Luckily I'm full of Game, Looks, Wit and Charm. That's why I go to 3rd world countries to pay desperate girls to fuck me.

Perhaps I should bring my wallet. 😂.

Enjoy, G.

This past Tuesday Sailor Jack is in the hotel breakfast café drinking coffee, eating a western omelet, and minding his own business like always. In walks a guy in a bath robe and flip flops [blue][Picture Deleted by Admin][/blue]. Sailor Jack later asked the waitress if it was okay for Sailor Jack to show up in the café wearing only his banana hammocks. But the waitress thought SJ was trying to order some kind of dessert.

Random photos from the SJ archives.

Sailor jack, nice to see some of the popular girl faces I remember from back in the day.

Now if Angeles still had these type of girls with the good attitude and not covered in tats then I'm sure Angeles bars would be a much happier place to visit.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2751309]These private buses are not running at the moment. I'm in AC now and was planning g to visit Subic, but only public bus is avaiable. Or private car.

Of course. Same goes for Manila. Bus from Dau or Gemini bus from SM Clark.[/QUOTE]I am taking the Rabbit bus from Manila to AC and the Blue Taxi to my hotel, and the Victory Liner from AC to Olongopo and a trike to my Barretto hotel. Obviously, someone needs to start up a minibus service to AC and Subic; I hear a lot of comments on the difficulty to getting around without spending major pesos getting from one locale to another.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2754204]I am taking the Rabbit bus from Manila to AC and the Blue Taxi to my hotel, and the Victory Liner from AC to Olongopo and a trike to my Barretto hotel. Obviously, someone needs to start up a minibus service to AC and Subic; I hear a lot of comments on the difficulty to getting around without spending major pesos getting from one locale to another.[/QUOTE]There are good connections between all AC, Subic and Manila cities. It's the first & final mile that are the issue. No monger stays at Pasay, Dau or Olongapo so the trike mafia must be used. But that's the price of 300 p transport. We get what we pay for.

Want door to door? Pay for a car.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2754204]I am taking the Rabbit bus from Manila to AC and the Blue Taxi to my hotel, and the Victory Liner from AC to Olongopo and a trike to my Barretto hotel. Obviously, someone needs to start up a minibus service to AC and Subic; I hear a lot of comments on the difficulty to getting around without spending major pesos getting from one locale to another.[/QUOTE]There were buses before from two companies doing door to door transport. But combination of low ridership and management issues shut them down.

Yes it is a pain in the neck especially if you have luggage. Taxi is too expensive for approx 30 km. Public Buses are cheap but they only depart from selected places. Genesis airport bus charges around 200 pesos and drops off at the mall. Still a trike is needed. No escaping from trike mafia.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2754237]Genesis airport bus charges around 200 pesos and drops off at the mall. Still a trike is needed. No escaping from trike mafia.[/QUOTE]Depends on which hotel is chosen. Many choose their hotel based on features. For me, location is far more important than fitout and luxuries. I'm unlikely to stay anywhere that I can't walk to 90% of places I want.

There are a few hotels walking distance from SM Clark but they may not be to everyone's liking.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2754237]There were buses before from two companies doing door to door transport. But combination of low ridership and management issues shut them down.

Yes it is a pain in the neck especially if you have luggage. Taxi is too expensive for approx 30 km. Public Buses are cheap but they only depart from selected places. Genesis airport bus charges around 200 pesos and drops off at the mall. Still a trike is needed. No escaping from trike mafia.[/QUOTE]There's a Blue Taxi bay near the main SM entrance. Flagfall is like P40. Additionally there are often Blue Taxis cruising past the dropoff point at the SM side entrance.

Have been in town for a while now, my last stay was in May of this year. When it comes to AC now vs the golden years, it's of course nothing to write home about. That said, I have to admit that especially the Walking Street bars are now stocked with enough cuties to go around. My impression is that there has been an improvement over the last few months, with new girls entering into the trade. If you don't mind the high airfare and the P 3500-5000 barfines, a great time can certainly be had. AC is far from over and done.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2753581] I found the DJ / toastmaster pretty annoying. This event is currently held only on the third Sunday of every month, so plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]I hate that guys voice too. He tries to mimic a WWE announcer, we are not getting ready to rumble. Most of the time I just don't understand what he's saying.

He tries to create a vibe like its a full blown foam party in Vegas. But jokes apart, although its a very old fashioned pool party its a good option to break the monotony created by the lack of daily activities in AC. Years ago even Wild Orchard Resort organized such parties which were better than Scorebirds.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2754307]I hate that guys voice too. He tries to mimic a WWE announcer, we are not getting ready to rumble. Most of the time I just don't understand what he's saying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Psriches;2752968]Did you ever make it to Subic? How did you get there?[/QUOTE]No I didn't go in the end and I was able to cancel the CP Reef hotel free of charge. You could take a car, or public bus from Dau terminal, Victory Liner I think.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2754204]I am taking the Rabbit bus from Manila to AC and the Blue Taxi to my hotel, and the Victory Liner from AC to Olongopo and a trike to my Barretto hotel. Obviously, someone needs to start up a minibus service to AC and Subic; I hear a lot of comments on the difficulty to getting around without spending major pesos getting from one locale to another.[/QUOTE]A couple of Australian pirates did run a Monger Express from Manila to AC and then AC to Subic, but it collapsed during the pandemic. I think tight ass mongers also baulked at the cost - 500 pesos. Mongers preferred the Victory Liner service from Pasay for 180 pesos. This was better than cramming into a Toyota mini bus provided by the pirates. There was air conditioning, more leg room, free WiFi and they could watch Korean drama on the screen at 140 db volume. They could also buy tasty snacks off the cute female street vendors along the way.

Thought I'd posted this but can't see it here! Wednesday I went to SM Clark for brunch at the French Bakery cafe, and walking back to town I spotted a really cute little thing who replied with a lovely smile when I said Hi. She agreed to come back to my hotel (Envy Suites) to watch a movie, and wanted to walk even though we were close to Margerita Station. This was around 2 pm, and she stayed till around 11 the next morning. She had a stunning body and was great in bed too. We went to One Euphoria for dinner which was pretty good on the rooftop restaurant. She sometimes works in a KTV in Korea Town but not that night fortunately. She was so good I got her back Thursday night too. She asked 5 k each time and I was happy at that. Friday afternoon I had a little freelancer I met outside Phillies who was great fun and even managed to wet my bed while I was licking her and fingering her ass, great fun. 2 k plus tip for that one, Jessicabel. Overnight I got back the FL I did on Monday. She's a real performer, great bb sex, deep throat BJ and let me have her ass cherry too. 8 pm till 8 am, another 5 k well spent. Saturday afternoon I walked up to the little hole in the wall bar near boomerang Hotel and found there are now 3 little bars there offering BJ and FS on the premises. They were a bit older, but when I said I preferred younger models they managed to find a 19 year old in 5 minutes! I said ID go back later when it was cooler. I then.

Decided to have a beer in the Raymond Street Hole in the wall bar. Needless to say I was soon joined by a young lady who started giving a HJ as I bought her a drink. She offered a BJ in the back room or my nearby hotel. Hotel it was so off we went. Once again BBFS was also on the menu and all in for 1500. I gave her 500 tip. Later had a visit from my regular from earlier visits, and after that I went to check out the bar scene. Interestingly some bars seem to have girls with street clothes, others in their underwear at best. 123 was underwear so had a beer and LD in there with another young lady trying to give me a HJ. They will lap dance you too, and charge 5 k for BFLT. Didn't take that offer but found a tiny FL in the street, she was tiny and tightest pussy I ever had, lovely girl called Marsha. Final day Sunday and feeling a bit shagged out, so quiet day, just finished off with my a level girl from Friday night. Another solid performance from her finished off my week in AC quite nicely. Monday morning off to Makati via air conditioned Genesis bus from SM Clark to Manila airport, cost is 385 php to T3 and took just 2 hours non stop. There's a timetable at the stop at SM Clark main entrance by the French Bakery. Overnight in Makati is reported in that thread, my last night on this trip.

I started with one, and after she insisted, I ended up taking 3 of my regulars with me to Boracay, in an upcoming trip.

Of course I paid for the airfare, hotel and whatever will costs us there, which adds up to a small fortune.

Now I found out that the girls are expecting me to pay them daily equivalents of the would be bar fine for the duration of the trip.

Once again the Philippines never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that I'm doing a huge favor for them, and it seems that's not the case.

Anyway, the airfare is non refundable, and the hotel I need it even if I'm by myself, therefore I told them that that's not going to happen, and if they want to come without pay, they are welcome, if not, maybe I'll see them when I'm back. It looks like they are coming anyway, even without pay.

Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?

P.S. Last time I was in Boracay (2019), despite all the warnings about the total lack of local talent, I managed to find a mamasan with some very pretty girls.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754746]I started with one, and after she insisted, I ended up taking 3 of my regulars with me to Boracay, in an upcoming trip.

Of course I paid for the airfare, hotel and whatever will costs us there, which adds up to a small fortune.

Now I found out that the girls are expecting me to pay them daily equivalents of the would be bar fine for the duration of the trip.

Once again the Philippines never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that I'm doing a huge favor for them, and it seems that's not the case.

Anyway, the airfare is non refundable, and the hotel I need it even if I'm by myself, therefore I told them that that's not going to happen, and if they want to come without pay, they are welcome, if not, maybe I'll see them when I'm back. It looks like they are coming anyway, even without pay.

Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?

P.S. Last time I was in Boracay (2019), despite all the warnings about the total lack of local talent, I managed to find a mamasan with some very pretty girls.[/QUOTE]Typically you would pay them for their days. It is some what negotiable but They have rent to pay and their families to feed. This is something everyone should have an agreement on upfront. Customary for the AC girls to understand and expect that they would get some pay for the days.

Airfare and hotels are relatively cheaper now. Small fortune? If you cant swing the big one and pay then don't.

You arent doing them any favors by taking them away from their earnings. AC is PnP not a dating site. Girls are there to make money to feed their families.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754746]I started with one, and after she insisted, I ended up taking 3 of my regulars with me to Boracay, in an upcoming trip.

Of course I paid for the airfare, hotel and whatever will costs us there, which adds up to a small fortune.

Now I found out that the girls are expecting me to pay them daily equivalents of the would be bar fine for the duration of the trip.

Once again the Philippines never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that I'm doing a huge favor for them, and it seems that's not the case.

Anyway, the airfare is non refundable, and the hotel I need it even if I'm by myself, therefore I told them that that's not going to happen, and if they want to come without pay, they are welcome, if not, maybe I'll see them when I'm back. It looks like they are coming anyway, even without pay.

Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?

P.S. Last time I was in Boracay (2019), despite all the warnings about the total lack of local talent, I managed to find a mamasan with some very pretty girls.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, you have been played. Girls roping in numerous friends for extra barfines, drinks, extras etc is a sure sign. Sounds like it cost you a few bucks to learn the lesson but it probably saved you money in the long run. In Bora, all would have needed bikinis, phone load, nice meals, the list would have gone on forever.

Bargirls can be taken out of the bar but the details need to be sorted out upfront. Barfines, tips, spending money all need to be known before committing to hotels, airfares etc. Girls will commonly tell the bars that they are going home, so no barfines will be payable but they do expect some compensation. Remember girls can't eat air-conditioning.

I'd agree that, all in, travelling with a bargirl very rarely works out cheaper than purchasing locally, even if there is a tourist tax.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1972066]OK, so the trip above is now finished. Her attitude improved over the second week but still wasn't all that I had hoped for....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2754864]Typically you would pay them for their days. It is some what negotiable but They have rent to pay and their families to feed. This is something everyone should have an agreement on upfront. Customary for the AC girls to understand and expect that they would get some pay for the days.

Airfare and hotels are relatively cheaper now. Small fortune? If you cant swing the big one and pay then don't.

You arent doing them any favors by taking them away from their earnings. AC is PnP not a dating site. Girls are there to make money to feed their families.[/QUOTE]I will explain the small fortune thing, and the favor:

Boracay is nice, but not my first choice, I'd rather explore a new place, (like valencia, where everybody seems to move to) I'll go there because the girls want to visit the place, so is not like I want to go there and I need company, I'm doing it for them.

One needs a babysitter at 1 k / day = 5 k.

I told them I will give them each 1 k / day to make up for lost wages, not barfines = 15 k.

Airfare was total = 24 k.

Hotel = 20 k.

Restaurants and bars will be probably another 20 k / day = 100 k.

As you can see it adds up pretty fast to about $2500 which is kind of a small fortune for 5 days in philippines.

Anyway, I've been visiting angeles city for over a decade now (twice a year), and this year is the first time when I was doing repeats, and it looks like nothing good is coming out of it. I must revert to the old ways of doing it. With that money you can bang at least 20 different chicks including lady drinks, not only 3.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754746]
Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?[/QUOTE]When I was negotiating with two girls to take them on a trip away, it was two different negotiations. One works as a waitress at Viking. She was hard on the negotiation expecting a full compensation on her 10 days away. The other girl was a Lollipop casual door girl (and free lancer). She was much easier and we settled on a cash payment to her to cover her pre-travel purchases, some clothes and bikini, her travel to / from NAIA. I covered airfare, meals, hotels etc while we were away. I gave up on the waitress and settled for the doorgirl.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754746]I started with one, and after she insisted, I ended up taking 3 of my regulars with me to Boracay, in an upcoming trip.

Of course I paid for the airfare, hotel and whatever will costs us there, which adds up to a small fortune.

Now I found out that the girls are expecting me to pay them daily equivalents of the would be bar fine for the duration of the trip.

Once again the Philippines never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that I'm doing a huge favor for them, and it seems that's not the case.

Anyway, the airfare is non refundable, and the hotel I need it even if I'm by myself, therefore I told them that that's not going to happen, and if they want to come without pay, they are welcome, if not, maybe I'll see them when I'm back. It looks like they are coming anyway, even without pay.

Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?

P.S. Last time I was in Boracay (2019), despite all the warnings about the total lack of local talent, I managed to find a mamasan with some very pretty girls.[/QUOTE]It is never a good idea to take bargirls on vacation. There is a reason why they are in Angeles and doing what they are doing. Their shelf life is short and they know it. They need to make as much money as possible in that short time. Ever see why they fight over each other when 20 pesos bills are raining down on them? They are least bit interested in beach vacation. Firstly they want less sun than more sun. Whole of Philippines is a beach location. These girls will only go if the price is right. What are are going to do with three girls? One on each arm and one holding your dick?

I have taken non bargirls on vacation. For them it is no different staying in town. They are happy just staying inside the room and fuck on demand. Watersports? Many cannot swim and afraid of water. Cannot fuck under the water because of heavy pollution and plenty of squiggly things in water and you do not want to take off your shorts. By 9 in the morning it is hot as hell. Girls will never go out and do touristy things compared to American girls. Food wise they only eat Philippine dishes. That too in small portions. One girl really liked the day trip to Bohol from cebu. We had a good time hiring a private car. Bought her few trinkets. I do not take any girl on beach vacations. Better stay in town. My routine is after breakfast I go for massage leaving the girl in the room. Bring her some lunch on the way back. Fuck and take a nap. In the evening if the girl wants to go out we go out to a nice restaurant. Some do and some don't. Then I bring the same take out food for them. You will be sorry if you take them on a beach vacation for number of days. Long time ago I took two very pretty girls to beach near Subic. Trike, bus, trike and we were there. Eat and stay in shade looking at the water. Later only thing they enjoyed is when I took them on jet ski.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754914]I will explain the small fortune thing, and the favor:

Boracay is nice, but not my first choice, I'd rather explore a new place, (like valencia, where everybody seems to move to) I'll go there because the girls want to visit the place, so is not like I want to go there and I need company, I'm doing it for them.

One needs a babysitter at 1 k / day = 5 k.

I told them I will give them each 1 k / day to make up for lost wages, not barfines = 15 k.

Airfare was total = 24 k.

Hotel = 20 k.

Restaurants and bars will be probably another 20 k / day = 100 k.

As you can see it adds up pretty fast to about $2500 which is kind of a small fortune for 5 days in philippines.

Anyway, I've been visiting angeles city for over a decade now (twice a year), and this year is the first time when I was doing repeats, and it looks like nothing good is coming out of it. I must revert to the old ways of doing it. With that money you can bang at least 20 different chicks including lady drinks, not only 3.[/QUOTE]If you are really doing it just for them then just straight out give them the money. All of it otherwise I just don't see you just doing it for just them. Or half of it and use the other half for some new pussy.

Be a cheerful giver.

Sailor Jack is walking back from the gym near Checkpoint and minding his own business like always. Sailor Jack spots Racer1. Racer1 was a door girl at a bar out on Perimeter. Although Racer1 was fully clothed, it was clear how hot she was. I took Racer1 for a boss's girl. Sailor Jack is in his sweaty gym clothes and SJ did not have his phone. Sailor Jack chatted up Racer1 and she is indeed interested. Sailor Jack asks Racer1 for her number, which SJ memorizes instantly after she says it just one time. Racer1 does not think Sailor Jack will remember her number or bother to text her. Of course, Sailor Jack texts Racer1 just as soon as SJ gets back to his room.

Fast forward 6 months. Sailor Jack sees Racer1 3-4 times per month. She is 20 and from Samar. Racer1 did tell me more about herself but none of that information ever matched what she told me the times before so there is no reason to repeat any of it here.

Racer1 is a true sexual athlete. A real hard fucking bargirl pro at 20. Racer1 will only do short time which is fine with Sailor Jack. And it is always WBTYM sex. Some damn fine WBTYM sex to be sure. Sailor Jack really enjoys the impromptu hide the salami short times. And Sailor Jack becomes amused by Racer1's bola bola stories about who she is, where she is from, and other things going on in her life. None of it ever matched what she told Sailor Jack before. Sailor Jack wonders if she thinks SJ is too stupid to remember what she said before. Then Sailor Jack begins to think Racer1 actually believes what she is telling SJ. Why the hell am I analyzing this anyway? Just bend her over and pound some sense into her. Yeh, now that sure makes good sense to Sailor Jack.

Later on, in a few of our last sessions, Racer1 was more erratic talking than usual. Sailor Jack thought she might be on drugs or more than a little crazy. Alas, Sailor Jack stopped seeing Racer1 altogether.

Related topic; In this same time period Sailor Jack has been chatting up and flirting a waitress (Sis1) at his favorite breakfast restaurant. Sis1 is a regular Filipina, kinda cute, and she has a really hot body. This has progressed to Sis1 giving Sailor Jack a passionate hug and kiss each morning in the breakfast room and in front of fellow Mongers. Well, such a nice way to start the day. Sailor Jack credits this to his prodigious animal magnetism and to the fact that by breakfast time Sailor Jack is covered head to toe with pussy pheromones from the night before and with sex juice from just before coming down to breakfast.

Sailor Jack is positioning Sis1 for the kill when she suddenly goes cold. After a couple of days of the cold shoulder Sailor Jack finds out why.

Sis1; "Do you know a girl named Racer1 ?

Sailor Jack; "Um. Uh. Yes. ".

Sis1; "Racer1 is my sister. ".

Sailor Jack; "Oh. ".

Sis1 apparently now thinks that Sailor Jack is a hard core butterfly monger who bangs every single Filipina he can manage to get his joystick into. Okay, well maybe that is true.

And then Sis1 ignores my suggestion for a threesome with her sister Racer1. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2754932]It is never a good idea to take bargirls on vacation. [/QUOTE]What is a vacation in your mind is a business trip in theirs.

FT.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2755025]What is a vacation in your mind is a business trip in theirs.

FT.[/QUOTE]That's the best explanation, ever!

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2755025]What is a vacation in your mind is a business trip in theirs.

FT.[/QUOTE]👍. Sounds like it was going to be unpiad overtime with he boss complaining about their attitude. 😊.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754914]I will explain the small fortune thing, and the favor:

Boracay is nice, but not my first choice, I'd rather explore a new place, (like valencia, where everybody seems to move to) I'll go there because the girls want to visit the place, so is not like I want to go there and I need company, I'm doing it for them.

One needs a babysitter at 1 k / day = 5 k.

I told them I will give them each 1 k / day to make up for lost wages, not barfines = 15 k.

Airfare was total = 24 k.

Hotel = 20 k.

Restaurants and bars will be probably another 20 k / day = 100 k[/QUOTE]Waste of money. They play you. A babysitter is not 1 k / day, 200-300 p at most.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2754959]
Sis1 apparently now thinks that Sailor Jack is a hard core butterfly monger who bangs every single Filipina he can manage to get his joystick into. Okay, well maybe that is true.[/QUOTE]Deep down she already knew this but she wanted to believe you were different. As you discovered AC is a a very small place if you have been there more that a few months.

[QUOTE=Girlfinder;2755178]Waste of money. They play you. A babysitter is not 1 k / day, 200-300 p at most.[/QUOTE]I know, she didn't ask, I offered. I don't mind giving small help or incentives.

Update: they're all coming without the barfine.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2754746]I started with one, and after she insisted, I ended up taking 3 of my regulars with me to Boracay, in an upcoming trip.

Of course I paid for the airfare, hotel and whatever will costs us there, which adds up to a small fortune.

Now I found out that the girls are expecting me to pay them daily equivalents of the would be bar fine for the duration of the trip.

Once again the Philippines never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that I'm doing a huge favor for them, and it seems that's not the case.

Anyway, the airfare is non refundable, and the hotel I need it even if I'm by myself, therefore I told them that that's not going to happen, and if they want to come without pay, they are welcome, if not, maybe I'll see them when I'm back. It looks like they are coming anyway, even without pay.

Did anybody else go thru something similar? Is that their typical mentality, to squeeze you even when you're super nice to them?

P.S. Last time I was in Boracay (2019), despite all the warnings about the total lack of local talent, I managed to find a mamasan with some very pretty girls.[/QUOTE]I'm curious why you would want to do that? They will just chatter with each other in Tagalog and play on their phones 95% of the time. It would annoy the fuck out of me! I find it very sad to see old expats sitting mutely with a young filipina across a table at dinner. No conversation, no connection, nothing. ID rather eat alone, get a girl to fuck when I want and send her on her way with a dripping pussy and few pesos. Don't need them around for anything else.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2755437]I'm curious why you would want to do that? They will just chatter with each other in Tagalog and play on their phones 95% of the time. It would annoy the fuck out of me! I find it very sad to see old expats sitting mutely with a young filipina across a table at dinner. No conversation, no connection, nothing.[/QUOTE]Everyone has to learn on their own and a lot of us the hard way. It is like a slice of pie is delicious, but letting your eyes overload your ass and trying to engorge an entire pie at once is not such a treat. I think he is about to find that out through diminishing returns.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2755437]I find it very sad to see old expats sitting mutely with a young filipina across a table at dinner. No conversation, no connection, nothing. ID rather eat alone, get a girl to fuck when I want and send her on her way with a dripping pussy and few pesos. Don't need them around for anything else.[/QUOTE]Generally I'm with you.

But it can be nice to have something (s) warm to cuddle with in the night sometimes. A great spinner [B]ass to my left[/B], nice [B]tits to my right[/B]. While I agree with the other gents that OAU misread the culture and the situation and its expectations, things could be worse for him: he could be in his home country.

OAU don't forget to give us a field report from your vacay.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2755512]Generally I'm with you.

But it can be nice to have something (s) warm to cuddle with in the night sometimes. A great spinner [B]ass to my left[/B], nice [B]tits to my right[/B]. While I agree with the other gents that OAU misread the culture and the situation and its expectations, things could be worse for him: he could be in his home country.

OAU don't forget to give us a field report from your vacay.[/QUOTE]You are correct, actually I'm back in the us right now, and when I look around I see only whales, with an attitude. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. Can't wait to get back there, where 100 bucks buys love for the whole night, with a young good looking one that in the us only the millionaires can afford.

In us, like many others, I'm considered "expired" but that's not the case in the Philippines where money talks (AC/ DC).

Because I'm an old pervert, I always liked 3 somes, in the past decade before corona was kind of difficult to assemble a good team, but this year seems to be the norm, most times the girls volunteer without even me asking first. I don't know what happened, why this change in mentality (one of the few good changes), maybe is easier access to porn, the food or the water.

Of course I will report about the trip, it should work smooth, the whole team had numerous training sessions in the past in various configurations, including all on deck.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2755911]You are correct, actually I'm back in the us right now, and when I look around I see only whales, with an attitude. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. Can't wait to get back there, where 100 bucks buys love for the whole night, with a young good looking one that in the us only the millionaires can afford.

In us, like many others, I'm considered "expired" but that's not the case in the Philippines where money talks (AC/ DC).

Because I'm an old pervert, I always liked 3 somes, in the past decade before corona was kind of difficult to assemble a good team, but this year seems to be the norm, most times the girls volunteer without even me asking first. I don't know what happened, why this change in mentality (one of the few good changes), maybe is easier access to porn, the food or the water.

Of course I will report about the trip, it should work smooth, the whole team had numerous training sessions in the past in various configurations, including all on deck.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression the Boracay trip was happening now or it just happened?

What's the story?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2756152]I was under the impression the Boracay trip was happening now or it just happened?

What's the story?[/QUOTE]I believe he gave up and lost money.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2756152]I was under the impression the Boracay trip was happening now or it just happened?

What's the story?[/QUOTE]Nah, why I would give up? Is happening in about 2 weeks, when I return to the Philippines.

Anyway Angeles city is great for bed only activities, and after one week is getting kind of boring, this is the reason why I like to explore some other places for a few days, then return.

Any suggestions about nice places other than the ones I visited so far over the years: Boracay, Cebu, moalboal, oslob, bohol, el nido, Puerto Princesa, Sabang, Banaue, Baguio, Manila, Subic?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2756196]Nah, why I would give up? Is happening in about 2 weeks, when I return to the Philippines.

Anyway Angeles city is great for bed only activities, and after one week is getting kind of boring, this is the reason why I like to explore some other places for a few days, then return.

Any suggestions about nice places other than the ones I visited so far over the years: Boracay, Cebu, moalboal, oslob, bohol, el nido, Puerto Princesa, Sabang, Banaue, Baguio, Manila, Subic?[/QUOTE]Consider Siargao; way off the beaten path.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2756300]Consider Siargao; way off the beaten path.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I will definitely do it.

Flew into Manila the other night. Blew thru immigration in less than 5 minutes. Flashed my One Health Pass QR code and was waved thru. It was so fast that I was at the luggage carousel waiting for 5 minutes for my bag. Beeway Travel driver was waiting me at the Burger King just to the right as you exit customs. BTW, the past three times I had filled out the customs form on the plane and there was no one to take the form! Just walked right on thru the non-Filipino lane with no Custom officer present.

FYI, As we walked to the parking lot I noticed the Genesis bus was parked at Bay 14 median. It was 9:30 pm. Not sure if it was just dropping off or picking up. Good news is it is running later than before.

Walking Street is more active now.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2757021]BTW, the past three times I had filled out the customs form on the plane and there was no one to take the form! Just walked right on thru the non-Filipino lane with no Custom officer present.[/QUOTE]In my experience its 50%, the times that anyone is manning the Customs area. I just fold the form and put it in my pocket in case anyone asks for it past the Customs area, tossing at the hotel.

On another note. As AC seems to be the go-to place for point-shoot gogo girls, especially given the barfines are about 1/3 or 1/2 of Burgos / Makati. Should Clark be the airport of choice, not NAIA? That avoids the NAIA-AC travel excursion (costs money + time) completely.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2757104]In my experience its 50%, the times that anyone is manning the Customs area. I just fold the form and put it in my pocket in case anyone asks for it past the Customs area, tossing at the hotel..[/QUOTE]In my case they were collecting the forms. I guess it depends on who is there, taking a break or did not show up work. IMHO they should get rid stupid forms. All luggage goes through the X-Rays anyway.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2757104] Should Clark be the airport of choice, not NAIA? That avoids the NAIA-AC travel excursion (costs money + time) completely.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's still a very quiet airport. No lines to speak of, except the usual cattle class checkin / boarding lines. Security / immigration a breeze. Recent pic.

Heads up for the "open air" lounge which is very basic and only serves some sweet cookies / breads. Staff is nice enough though. Coffee choices are brewed or instant only.

There is an additional Plaza lounge open now as well, but it's pay access only (2480 PHP).

CRK would be my choice airport international and domestic. There were plenty of flights and they were adding more pre Covid. Now 80%+ flights have been eliminated and it doesn't seem to be coming back. CRK used have direct flights to many province cities prior to Covid. Now you have to travel to Manila as the hub for domestic flights.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2757159]CRK would be my choice airport international and domestic. There were plenty of flights and they were adding more pre Covid. Now 80%+ flights have been eliminated and it doesn't seem to be coming back. CRK used have direct flights to many province cities prior to Covid. Now you have to travel to Manila as the hub for domestic flights.[/QUOTE]Certainly unfortunate timing on the construction and opening of the new terminal. I don't like the new location being harder for access to fun city.

But flights will return. MNL has the one long runway which will soon again be at capacity.

Depending on where you are going CEB is a reasonable staging point. In my upcoming provincial vax clinic tour it's cheaper and time effective to go via CEB, land in CRK and avoid the need for the MNL-Angeles car transport.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2757104]Should Clark be the airport of choice, not NAIA? That avoids the NAIA-AC travel excursion (costs money + time) completely.[/QUOTE]I depends on where you are going. Just flying in for a week or two's fun and spending most of that time in AC, then it's a no brainer. For longer trips, possibly spending minimal or even no time in AC, then I find NAIA better due to the number of connections at all times of the day.

I will admit that a provincial tour can turn into endless hub and spoke flights in and out of the major cities. For this I try to go through all of AC, Cebu and Manila so that I get time in all three without repeatedly back tracking.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2757271]Certainly unfortunate timing on the construction and opening of the new terminal. I don't like the new location being harder for access to fun city.

But flights will return. MNL has the one long runway which will soon again be at capacity.

Depending on where you are going CEB is a reasonable staging point. [/QUOTE]I found many flights are going to Cebu directly. There are some including Turkish I flew makes a stop in Manila and in an hour or so continue to cebu. Frequency of Cebu to Angeles is not many. I found only two airlines fly and both were expensive and at odd times. Cheapest is to Manila. They were building another runway parallel to the present one I believe. But with 4 terminals now the traffic as well as congestion inside the airport has ceased. Immigration lines in Manila airport which was a nightmare before has eased. You are at the luggage carousel before the bags arrive. None of the taxi's turn on the meter even if you are in line for meter taxi. Maybe they do for locals. With the expressways now finished you are not in endless traffic jams. I believe they are connecting Roxas highway to north south expressway which will shorten the trip to Angeles. I liked fly the bus before. No hassles door to door from Ermita. For those who come in late there us a nice hotel near Trinoma with good breakfast. Walking distance to the mall and catch bus to Angeles. I stayed there one time because I was meeting a girl from Quezon City who was very nice although my go to area is Ermita.

Tropical Storm Nalgae (Paeng) passed over the Philippines Friday October 28th and Saturday October 29th. This storm never reached typhoon status but up to 100 deaths were reported across the Philippines.

The center of the storm passed just north of Angeles City. AC got intermittent heavy thunderstorms and there were a dozen or so brown outs lasting 10 to 30 minutes. There were fewer girls and guys in the bars Friday and Saturday.

Now it is Halloween Monday October 31st and AC is still having rain storms. Sometimes heavy rain. That is enough for Philippinos to stay home. My guess is that this Monday will be more dead than usual.

Random photos from SJ Archives.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2757317]I found many flights are going to Cebu directly..[/QUOTE]Mongers wanting to land directly into CRK currently have options of arriving from Dubai, Doha, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai. (As of 1 Nov 2022).

Domestic flights are landing from Cebu, El Nido, Caticlan.

For my upcoming provincial tour some legs are a trade off between just going direct to MNL then a car to AC or going via CEB then to CRK as the flights do not through connect bags, so one flight arrives, you collect bags and check in again which I allow 3 hours in Cebu. So going via Cebu to avoid the 90 minute drive MNL. AC doesn't make sense. If I am in Cebu for a few days then it makes sense to catch the direct flight to CRK. A flight CEB-CRK is cheaper than a Beeway car MNL. AC.

The other consideration for mongers is actual arrival time. Which in itself may be vastly different to the schedule. The expressway seems more predictable these days.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2757139]Yes, it's still a very quiet airport. No lines to speak of, except the usual cattle class checkin / boarding lines. Security / immigration a breeze. Recent pic.

Heads up for the "open air" lounge which is very basic and only serves some sweet cookies / breads. Staff is nice enough though. Coffee choices are brewed or instant only.

There is an additional Plaza lounge open now as well, but it's pay access only (2480 PHP).[/QUOTE]CRK is a great terminal from the outside but no services inside. The "lounge" is just an open cordoned off area with no real food, just a few drinks in the fridge. No separate Wifi. There is the PP lounge but ever since Priority Plus broke off with them can't use without the ridiculous fee. Not many food choices or other amenities. But still, avoiding MNL is worth it and I get cheap flights from SIN so it works for me.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2757402]SNIP Not many food choices or other amenities. But still, avoiding MNL is worth it and I get cheap flights from SIN so it works for me.[/QUOTE]Concur. Wherever you are coming from, it makes more sense to fly directly to CRK first, grab the next available taxi (who cares if its p300 for a short ride) to your hotel, grab some food at Phillies (or such), crash / sleep and burn off some jet-lag. Get up the next day and start vaxxing. Otherwise skip the sleep and start your own temporary vaxxing clinic.

If traveling out of AC by car / bus later, try to travel on a Sunday, as traffic is very light. I am very happy with Beeway's car service, they are easy to contact and communicate succinctly. $75 USD gets you from door to door in under 2 hours with a courteous professional driver, who knows exactly where he is dropping you off.

The Filipino travelers were busy ordering empanyadas and other sweet breads from the MaryGrace shop near the "lounge". Next to the Plaza pay-in lounge there is also a restaurant with very reasonable pricing (for an airport), so there are definately some (limited, I concur) options for the hungry. I tried neither since I could expect great dining onboard (flew one of the long haul flights).

All in all a very smooth and effortless airport, I like it!

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2757402]CRK is a great terminal from the outside but no services inside. The "lounge" is just an open cordoned off area with no real food, just a few drinks in the fridge. No separate Wifi. There is the PP lounge but ever since Priority Plus broke off with them can't use without the ridiculous fee. Not many food choices or other amenities. But still, avoiding MNL is worth it and I get cheap flights from SIN so it works for me.[/QUOTE]

I think I messed up badly. I checked out of ABC Halloween afternoon on my way to Manila to meet some friends. On my way out I noticed so many hot and sexy girls coming in. The receptionist exclaimed "Mr. DG you are going to miss out on our huge Halloween Party!" I was never a fan of Halloween parties.

But next year I am going to get me table at Aqua with 4-5 hot babes and take them to my room as I please during the evening. Fuck them in their costumes and go back to the party. Maybe even pick up a FL or two!

Now I have all year to fantasize and plan this.

As ABC says YOLO.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2757625]The receptionist exclaimed "Mr. DG you are going to miss out on our huge Halloween Party!" I was never a fan of Halloween parties.

But next year I am going to get me table at Aqua with 4-5 hot babes and take them to my room as I please during the evening. Fuck them in their costumes and go back to the party. Maybe even pick up a FL or two!

Now I have all year to fantasize and plan this.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. It's a universal truth that the best chicks and near misses always pop up in the last 36 hours of a visit.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2757625]I think I messed up badly. I checked out of ABC Halloween afternoon on my way to Manila to meet some friends. On my way out I noticed so many hot and sexy girls coming in. The receptionist exclaimed "Mr. DG you are going to miss out on our huge Halloween Party!" I was never a fan of Halloween parties.

But next year I am going to get me table at Aqua with 4-5 hot babes and take them to my room as I please during the evening. Fuck them in their costumes and go back to the party. Maybe even pick up a FL or two!

Now I have all year to fantasize and plan this.

As ABC says YOLO.[/QUOTE]Now I understand why a few nights before Halloween at ABC I had seen a few guys sitting around with a stable of girls. They were quite a bit older and quite a bit over weight balding guys. These guys were in shorts and sandals while theirs girls were all in hooker attire. They came to party!

Well next year I am going to be the pimp daddy.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2757690]Hahaha. It's a universal truth that the best chicks and near misses always pop up in the last 36 hours of a visit..[/QUOTE]How true that is. Why do you think that is? Is it because we stop chasing numbers, start reducing our intensity which lets the stunners shine through?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2757758]Now I understand why a few nights before Halloween at ABC I had seen a few guys sitting around with a stable of girls. They were quite a bit older and quite a bit over weight balding guys. These guys were in shorts and sandals while theirs girls were all in hooker attire. They came to party!

Well next year I am going to be the pimp daddy.[/QUOTE]Forgive me, I'm a slow learner. Are we saying the girls arrived with existing patrons from Manila etc or are we saying that they turned up enmasse to try their luck as freelancers at Aqua etc. ?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2757906]Forgive me, I'm a slow learner. Are we saying the girls arrived with existing patrons from Manila etc or are we saying that they turned up enmasse to try their luck as freelancers at Aqua etc. ?[/QUOTE]I didn't survey where they came from nor asked the guys where they were from or staying at.

The girls were all dolled up with skimpy clothes and high heels. Almost to seduce me or to impressed the other girls. All I know is they were hot and there was many! Also I don't know their real intentions or than to have fun.

Next year I am going to be pimp daddy.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2757896]How true that is. Why do you think that is? Is it because we stop chasing numbers, start reducing our intensity which lets the stunners shine through?[/QUOTE]I can only speak for myself but by the time I'm leaving town / country:

1/ I no longer have desperate new arrival stamped across my forehead.

2/ I've relearnt the pointlessness of expecting performance to be related to cost or looks.

3/ I've had my fill of bar slots and have bumped into a couple of less mercenary civilians.

4/ My balls are empty, my back hurts and the last thing I need is another fuck ie. Girls really have to be worth me selecting them.

As usual, YMMV.

Enjoy. G.

Can anyone tell me about previous Aqua NYE parties?

Was it fun?

Lots of sexy dressed girls?

One girl told me it was too smoky there.

Your thoughts and experience please?

Sailor Jack is in a small Fields Avenue Bar late at night. This bar has kept the same name and the same mamasans for 20 years. For a moment SJ thinks that sounds depressing, but then Sailor Jack realizes he is sitting in the same seat that he occupied many times over the last 2 decades. And likely Sailor Jack has boom2 some of the mothers of the girls on the stage. So, all seems right with the world.

Sailor Jack is drinking a Tanduay Rum neat and minding his own business like always.

Sailor Jack spots two girls sitting near the stage who look like identical twins. Pussy Ho! Sailor Jack steps lively over to their table with the smell of fresh fish in the air and his harpoon stiffening. Sailor Jack girldrinks them both and starts the interview process. They are from Mindanao. Are they sisters? Are they twins? Now here Sailor Jack's stellar interview process goes awry because both of these girls have Pekinese voice and Sailor Jack cannot understand much of what they are saying. No worries. We will figure out the family tree later. Bihon1 and Bihon2 both giggle in unison. That makes Sailor Jack's tiller stand at attention. Sailor Jack says "We go barfine na?" This all parties do understand. Again the sisters giggle in unison and Sailor Jacks tiller situation becomes urgent.

The deal is struck and we depart for Sailor Jack's lair. Now Sailor Jack is not a fan of threesomes. SJ's experience is that some one in the threesome is often not pulling their weight. Like hiding in the CR or sleeping or playing with their phone or some other horseshit. And one of Sailor Jack's lifelong laments is that Sailor Jack has only one penis to begin with.

So Bihon1 and Sailor Jack begin maneuvers. Bihon1 has a hot little tight gymnast body and soft brown skin. Bihon2 is laying on the bed next to us pretending not to watch. But Bihon2 is actually watching intently. SJ is not sure how Sailor Jack's tiller will perform with an audience because SJ has not done this with an audience before. Sailor Jack grabs Bihon1 by the ears and puts her on her knees. Bihon1 is about to say something as Sailor Jack's torpedo interrupts and the Pekinese voice is muted. Bihon1 and Sailor Jack perform a boisterous session of the naked watusi with Bihon2 laying in the bed next to them. Finish comes with Bihon1 bent over in doggy style with her head nearly on top of Bihon2's chest. Sailor Jack collapses on the bed next to Bihon2. Bihon1 jumps up, dresses quickly, and heads for the door. Sailor Jack protests. But Bihon1 says she has to go meet her boyfriend. Well, crap, is this really a threesome or what?

Bihon1 heads out the door and Sailor Jack wonders what will happen next. Is Bihon2 put off by this? Is Bihon2 going to bolt for the door also? What now? The door closes behind Bihon1 and Bihon2 immediately rolls toward Sailor Jack and starts playing with his tiller. Damn, Sailor Jack thinks, SJ just completed an Olympic Gold Medal boom2 on her sister Bihon1. Sailor Jack is not sure he is ready for another round just yet. And then Bihon2 giggles. The tiller problem immediately reemerges. Bihon2 and Sailor Jack put all canvas to the wind.

It turns out that Bihon2 was quite turned on by watching the earlier action and she wanted some for herself. Sailor Jack also rather liked having an audience.

9 am next morning Bihon2 awakes with a start and she says she has to go. Sailor Jack gently then forcefully guides her back on her pillow and introduces her to Mr MorningWood. Brisk morning exercises are completed and Bihon2 falls back to sleep.

10 am. Again Bihon2 awakes with a start and says she has to go. By now Sailor Jack knows these waters well and Sailor Jack positions Bihon2 for a firm docking procedure. Together we make the sign of the double-humped aardvark, and Bihon2 again falls asleep.

11 am. Bihon2 awakes but Sailor Jack already has a good firm grip on Bihon2. Bihon2 giggles softly and SJ's tiller awakens for yet another quickie, this time a proper doggie style shagging, completed with a satisfying skin slapping, pounding sound. Bihon2 pushes Sailor Jack away and says she really must report in by noon. Bihon2 leaves in a hurry.

Now this was Sailor Jack's best all time performance. Why? SJ really cannot explain it. The girls were good looking, but certainly not 10's. Maybe it was the sister thing. Maybe having an audience? No, it was that little giggle that put the wood in Sailor Jack's tiller.

Oh, at some point in the evening Sailor Jack did learn that Bihon1 and Bihon2 are sisters born just 9 months apart. They are not actually twins. So fill out your scorecards accordingly.

I would never see Bihon1 again. Bihon2 went to work at BodyShop. Sailor Jack would try to barfine Bihon2 several times but she refused SJ every time. Sailor Jack could see the fear in Bihon2's eyes over Sailor Jack's epic prior performance. Bihon2 would now only have girl drinks with Sailor Jack.

And then she would giggle.

- Atlantis went down hill for being a mega club.

- XS is now the best mega club. Was told many of the dancers moved from Atlantis to XS. Barfine was 5000 and 4000 for short time. Does that mean 5000 is a guarantee for long time? Not sure. The best looking girls in Angeles seems to be a few of the "taped super models". But I was told most / all of them are not available. They have decent entertainment.

- As someone already posted, the barfines on Walking Street is between 3500 to 5000. Some of the bars had short time barfines; not sure if the long time barfine guarantees long time. In one bar, the mammasan pointed out which girls will do long time. Mammasans can be a good source of info. But they may only push their girls.

- Dragon bar is a decent bar. Decent selection. Small bar with a lot of girls. But be warned, it's a Korean bar. I was there when they were supposed to open at 6 pm. The placed was already packed with Koreans. The Koreans come early and pick the best ones. Barfine is 4000 with a mandatory 350 ladydrink. The girls wear dresses. Most of the girls who wear dresses in any of the bars are moms.

- As previously posted, High Society is closed. The 2 after hour dance clubs (next to Envy) were packed on the weekend. No cover.

Paying barfine +tips comes to almost $100 US. Insane!

There is no guarantee of good sex multiple times or LT. Besides her pussy might stink like hog heaven. There are girls available online in Angeles City who I have chatted. Some are very pretty and happy with $2500 LT. You can go to bars and have a drink and look. Problem is once you see a pretty girl little brain takes over and you spend lot of money and regret next day. Angeles used to be cheap all inclusive, LT guaranteed and simple obedient country girls.

Now it has become Vegas Expensive and Vegas head in the clouds atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2758798]Paying barfine +tips comes to almost $100 US. Insane!

There is no guarantee of good sex multiple times or LT. Besides her pussy might stink like hog heaven. There are girls available online in Angeles City who I have chatted. Some are very pretty and happy with $2500 LT. You can go to bars and have a drink and look. Problem is once you see a pretty girl little brain takes over and you spend lot of money and regret next day. Angeles used to be cheap all inclusive, LT guaranteed and simple obedient country girls.

Now it has become Vegas Expensive and Vegas head in the clouds atmosphere.[/QUOTE]You ought to give us a commentary on the price of gasoline or the price of real estate or even a loaf of bread. There lies insanity. Shit. The price of a new car with the dealer add on "Market Adjustment"!

I doubt if it even comes close to 25% the cost of Vegas.

As I said before, The past is the past. No one works for yesterday's wages.

We all have my choices to make.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2758798]Paying barfine +tips comes to almost $100 US. Insane!

There is no guarantee of good sex multiple times or LT. Besides her pussy might stink like hog heaven. There are girls available online in Angeles City who I have chatted. Some are very pretty and happy with $2500 LT. You can go to bars and have a drink and look. Problem is once you see a pretty girl little brain takes over and you spend lot of money and regret next day. Angeles used to be cheap all inclusive, LT guaranteed and simple obedient country girls.

Now it has become Vegas Expensive and Vegas head in the clouds atmosphere.[/QUOTE]When my grandad was a kid, he said a loaf of bread was 19 cents. Now it's $6. Insanity!

Seems like you're one of those old white guys that travels the world exploiting and fucking young, impoverished, uneducated girls for $20 all night, multiple shots on goal, and then complaining that it's still too expensive and you got ripped off. That's one level higher on the social ladder than rock spider.

All night with a hooker in London, Sydney, Paris or LA would be around $2,000+. So you really think $100 in AC is insane? It's inflation, not insanity. You can watch Trike Patrol from your basement for free, but then you need to still pay for internet.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2758821]

As I said before, The past is the past. No one works for yesterday's wages.

We all have my choices to make.[/QUOTE]Predictions of the death of AC have been made for decades. Guess what, some guys still go there and have a blast while others still go there and complain about prices, looks and attitudes.

Sailor Jack seems to be having a good time and others can judge if it's worth the extra $50 he may be paying on top of yesterday's prices.

If it's not, then there are many pricing and sourcing options throughout the PI. Everyone can spend their money where it suits them.

Do I prefer the old AC? Sure. Am I about to go on a hunger strike until the good 'ol days return? Doubt it.

Enjoy. G.

I have to agree, and by the way, it's about 2% of Vegas. Try getting into a club in Vegas, getting a table and bottle service and then you *might* get a chance at landing a civilian. At this point you are down about 5 k usd. The greatest trick Vegas ever pulled was to convince guys they if they go to Vegas they are going to get laid. I used to live there. They prey on men. AC on the other hand, you are king. Party and feel up sexy girls for cheap drinks and then take her home for guaranteed bare sex for $100 (or free (ish) if you have some game)? Gad-damn utopia if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2758821]You ought to give us a commentary on the price of gasoline or the price of real estate or even a loaf of bread. There lies insanity. Shit. The price of a new car with the dealer add on "Market Adjustment"!

I doubt if it even comes close to 25% the cost of Vegas.

As I said before, The past is the past. No one works for yesterday's wages.

We all have my choices to make.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2758961]I have to agree, and by the way, it's about 2% of Vegas. Try getting into a club in Vegas, getting a table and bottle service and then you *might* get a chance at landing a civilian. At this point you are down about 5 k usd. The greatest trick Vegas ever pulled was to convince guys they if they go to Vegas they are going to get laid. I used to live there. They prey on men. AC on the other hand, you are king. Party and feel up sexy girls for cheap drinks and then take her home for guaranteed bare sex for $100 (or free (ish) if you have some game)? Gad-damn utopia if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Not sure how one can compare vegas to angeles, one is a 1st world city and the other a 3rd world shit hole.

As far as being king in angeles city then yes if one is young and asian with very deep pockets then maybe possible.

For normal whitey and especially older fatter whitey then the only girls available to such is the older fatter uglier girls the asians don't want, so in truth hardly being a king.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2758958]Predictions of the death of AC have been made for decades. Guess what, some guys still go there and have a blast while others still go there and complain about prices, looks and attitudes.

Sailor Jack seems to be having a good time and others can judge if it's worth the extra $50 he may be paying on top of yesterday's prices.

If it's not, then there are many pricing and sourcing options throughout the PI. Everyone can spend their money where it suits them.

Do I prefer the old AC? Sure. Am I about to go on a hunger strike until the good 'ol days return? Doubt it.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]The difference between the guys that rave about angeles and the guys that complain is that one set flies in from loveless countries where sex with a 200 kg whale is impossible and are therefore somewhat desperate for some pussy so yes angeles might be fun to the more desperate, but to those that fly in from less loveless countries expecting to have sex with attractive, younger good looking girls then they obviously would complain because these type of girls just do not exist in large numbers and the very few girls that have the youth, body and face either are cherrie girls, drinks only girls or asian only girls.

So in truth those predicting the demise of angeles city are probably correct for average whitey, with the high prices of air fare, increased hotel costs, greatly increased girl costs playing a larg part in why angeles remains very very quiet for visiting white guys, yes some bars have a few customers but lets be honest those customers are 99% high spending asians that are in town for a very short visits and mainly in town on business or golfing trips with a bit of girlie fun thrown in.

Angeles is what it is and each can make their own mind up whether to visit but my advise would be to have a good time then pack plenty of money and greatly lower ones expectations when it comes to girls unless one is young, asian and willing to spend large.

The first time Sailor Jack came to Angeles City SJ hated AC. SJ really haaaaaated AC. The filth. The beggars. Ladyboys. The over-the-top goofy bars and barfines. And cherry girls? WTF are virgins doing in a brothel anyway? Sailor Jack could go on. And on. And on. Sailor Jack decided that he hated AC. Sailor Jack decided he would have no more to do with Angeles Fucking City.

Sailor Jack went off to explore other parts of the Filthypines. So Sailor Jack is in a bar in Panglao Beach, Bohol, drinking a Red Horse and minding his own business like always. Sailor Jack meets veteran super monger Berry. Now Berry would become Sailor Jack's original monger sensei for southeast Asia. Sailor Jack has just launched into an alcohol infused 'I hate AC' tirade to brother Berry. Sailor Jack will now paraphrase brother Berry's response for your consideration.

"My friend, perhaps you need to reconsider all that Angeles City hate. I acknowledge all the negatives about Angeles City. Oh, and I could give you many, many more! You see, I have lived in AC for years now. I have traveled the world and I can live anywhere that I please. And I choose to live in Angeles City. Perhaps the problem is not Angeles City. Perhaps the problem is you. " Sailor Jack was steamed at Berry's suggestion that SJ could actually be the source of the problem. But something about brother Berry's steely gaze made Sailor Jack think that Berry may indeed be correct. Sailor Jack would give Angeles Fucking City another try. And this time with a better attitude.

Brother Berry helped guide Sailor Jack through some of the finer points of AC mongering.

"Do not curse the wind. Adjust your sails. ".

Sailor Jack says;.

1-5 days in AC; you will most likely hate AC.

2+ weeks in AC; you will begin to become vaguely aware of some undercurrents affecting your vessels attitude.

6+ months in AC; you will find yourself swirling ever faster around the drain. And with a goofy smile on your face.

So if you are walking along Fields Avenue and you do not watch your step, then you may well step in dogshit. With a little practice, you can learn to avoid the many pitfalls of AC. And in this shithole you can indeed find a rose. In fact, you can find many roses.

As for Sailor Jack, decades ago SJ got his tongue stuck in Filipina pookie and SJ just cannot seem to get it out. Do not send a rescue party. Sailor Jack can manage just fine, fuck you very much.

No one has mentioned the Horrid Food options in Angeles City. Never had good bread in Angeles City. Katsup and Gooey Soy Sauce and Nasty Slimey french fries. Thailand and Indonesia Kick Philippines Ass regarding food taste and options.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2758991]No one has mentioned the Horrid Food options in Angeles City. Never had good bread in Angeles City. Katsup and Gooey Soy Sauce and Nasty Slimey french fries. Thailand and Indonesia Kick Philippines Ass regarding food taste and options.[/QUOTE]Didn't know peeps came to AC for culinary delights other than dining at the why!

Do you go to;
France for French fries?
Germany for pasta?
Italy for schnitzel?

GIGO post.

Garbage In.

Garbage Out.


This is ISG not International Food Guide.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2758991]No one has mentioned the Horrid Food options in Angeles City. Never had good bread in Angeles City. Katsup and Gooey Soy Sauce and Nasty Slimey french fries. Thailand and Indonesia Kick Philippines Ass regarding food taste and options.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a personal problem to me. If you can't find good food in the Philippines, maybe you need to try something other than dumpster diving.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2758993]Didn't know peeps came to AC for culinary delights other than dining at the why!

This is ISG not International Food Guide.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2759017]Sounds like a personal problem to me. If you can't find good food in the Philippines, maybe you need to try something other than dumpster diving.[/QUOTE]Agree that this isn't the food channel but it's part of the overall package. I go to Thailand despite higher prices. I go to Indonesia despite the crazy traffic. I go to Vietnam despite the language barrier etc. Equally, I go to PI despite the food.

In the Philippines one can look for good food but it's a rarity. In the other monger destinations it's everywhere and a poor meal is the exception.

All places have their good and bad points. PI certainly has enough good ones to keep drawing us back.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2758987]As for Sailor Jack, decades ago SJ got his tongue stuck in Filipina pookie and SJ just cannot seem to get it out. Do not send a rescue party. Sailor Jack can manage just fine, fuck you very much.[/QUOTE]Throwback. Wondering where I've seen those floral bedspreads before. Wondering. . .

Today Sailor Jack's afternoon blowjob girl vomited mid mouth fuck.

There is Sailor Jack with a firm grasp on her hair and SJ's belaying pin tickling her tonsils when the skull fuckee tosses her pancit. Sailor Jack is not talking a little spit up here. SJ means a full unsavory upchuck.

It is enough to put one off of blowjobs.

Almost.

Photos; unrelated SJ Archive.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759069]Today Sailor Jack's afternoon blowjob girl vomited mid mouth fuck.

There is Sailor Jack with a firm grasp on her hair and SJ's belaying pin tickling her tonsils when the skull fuckee tosses her pancit. Sailor Jack is not talking a little spit up here. SJ means a full unsavory upchuck.

It is enough to put one off of blowjobs.

Almost.

Photos; unrelated SJ Archive.[/QUOTE]Can I suggest JS try Cebu as a reprovisioning port. I had one particular trip there where all crew (bar one very startled young lass) who were very adept at full on skull fucking. No sea sickness was experienced by anyone.

I have no idea why it was the skill de jour but it certainly kept me awake on many night watches.

Very pert photos as usual. However, why do girls mess with the white face powder? Don't they know they are called LBFMs for a reason? Who wants to skull fuck Casper?

Sorry if I have turned into an overly critical, whinging old prick recently. It might be time to escape RWML for a while. 😜.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759072]However, why do girls mess with the white face powder? Don't they know they are called LBFMs for a reason? Who wants to skull fuck Casper?[/QUOTE]White face was more bad when I used to visit Jakarta. Ick. A different problem in America, you get cancelled for doing black face.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759072]Sorry if I have turned into an overly critical, whinging old prick recently. [/QUOTE]Ahem. That would be *my* job around here.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759072]It might be time to escape RWML for a while. 😜.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you'd want to do that.

SJ, hope that pancit re-birth didn't "soften" things for you.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2758798]There is no guarantee of good sex multiple times or LT. Besides her pussy might stink like hog heaven. There are girls available online in Angeles City who I have chatted. Some are very pretty and happy with $2500 LT. You can go to bars and have a drink and look. Problem is once you see a pretty girl little brain takes over and you spend lot of money and regret next day. Angeles used to be cheap all inclusive, LT guaranteed and simple obedient country girls.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The WS fiat trash cash prices have risen much faster than other goods in PH, hence it's a price increase in real terms we are dealing with. But there's something more, it's an attitude issue, from both the bargirls and the barowners. AC used to be a cheap and cheerful operation. Now it's turned much more into a money grab. Case in point, the girls' cut used to be at least 50% of a BF, sometimes more. Now some bars keep 2150 or more out of a 4 K barfine, so they have also increased their margins. Lots of the smaller operators are gone, more Koreans have entered.

As you said freelancers can easily be had. I do pay my regulars 1500-2000 LT down to 1 K for ST, no issues whatsoever. I don't see the upside in overpaying.

Glass half full observation: hotel prices in AC have risen quite slowly.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2758991]No one has mentioned the Horrid Food options in Angeles City. Never had good bread in Angeles City. Katsup and Gooey Soy Sauce and Nasty Slimey french fries. Thailand and Indonesia Kick Philippines Ass regarding food taste and options.[/QUOTE]In my opinion the Angels Bakery has acceptable bread.

The german owner is trying to make good one.

Its not good like at home, but it is ok.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2759080]White face was more bad when I used to visit Jakarta. Ick....[/QUOTE]True. Jack's girl seems to be a whitening newbie, relying merely on baby powder. The industrial strength version favoured by Indonesian girls and grandmas alike is actually evaporated water from washing rice prior to cooking. Tumeric may be added to give a yellow colour and additional mystic medicinal powers.

Of course, it's main intent in both countries is to cover and prevent brown looking or tanned skin that is associated with poor field workers.

Now back to our regular programming. . .

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2758961]I have to agree, and by the way, it's about 2% of Vegas. Try getting into a club in Vegas, getting a table and bottle service and then you *might* get a chance at landing a civilian. At this point you are down about 5 k usd. The greatest trick Vegas ever pulled was to convince guys they if they go to Vegas they are going to get laid. I used to live there. They prey on men. AC on the other hand, you are king. Party and feel up sexy girls for cheap drinks and then take her home for guaranteed bare sex for $100 (or free (ish) if you have some game)? Gad-damn utopia if you ask me.[/QUOTE]As my father used to tell me all the time, "you got to make more per hour or work more hours to pay for things you want!”.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759045]
In the Philippines one can look for good food but it's a rarity. In the other monger destinations it's everywhere and a poor meal is the exception.
[/QUOTE]The Piccolo Padre located in Prime Asia Hotel used to be my go to place in AC. It was closed on my last visit earlier this year. TipAdvisor reviews imply it is open again.

I got to the conclusion that the ST that's being practiced a lot lately has to do with the wealth of the BGs that seems to be slightly higher lately.

In the past most of them were living in dorms, or rented apartments shared by a lot of girls, with almost nonexistent privacy, some were sleeping on the floor on a blanket, etc. Therefore it was always preferable to stay until morning in a nice clean bed with no roaches or rats roaming around.

After corona, most BGs seem to have their own place, or shared with only another friend, and with that comes, privacy, better living and sleeping conditions, and unfortunately no desire to stay longer then necessary in someone else's bed.

That's my take on it.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2758961]I have to agree, and by the way, it's about 2% of Vegas. Try getting into a club in Vegas, getting a table and bottle service and then you *might* get a chance at landing a civilian. At this point you are down about 5 k usd. The greatest trick Vegas ever pulled was to convince guys they if they go to Vegas they are going to get laid. I used to live there. They prey on men. AC on the other hand, you are king. [/QUOTE]I went to a show at the Las Vegas Hilton and had to walk thru the casino to get in the show. 2 good looking prostitutes came up to me. Their first question was "Where are you staying?" And I told them the truth, the Motel 6. You should have seen them turn and walk away pretty fast! They thought I had no money for them!

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2759282]I went to a show at the Las Vegas Hilton and had to walk thru the casino to get in the show. 2 good looking prostitutes came up to me. Their first question was "Where are you staying?" And I told them the truth, the Motel 6. You should have seen them turn and walk away pretty fast! They thought I had no money for them![/QUOTE]It's the same in Bali, Phuket etc where the girls prey on gullible tourists. Reply to their questions in the local language and poof they are gone. ☺.

I actually had one girl apologise for interrupting me adding that she thought I was a tourist.

Enjoy. G.

Did anybody tried the modern suites hotel on a. Santos Road. ?

Seems convenient for a longer stay at $15/ night compared with the hotels closer to fields ave.

Something wrong with the area or the hotels around there?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2759250]I got to the conclusion that the ST that's being practiced a lot lately has to do with the wealth of the BGs that seems to be slightly higher lately.

In the past most of them were living in dorms, or rented apartments shared by a lot of girls, with almost nonexistent privacy, some were sleeping on the floor on a blanket, etc. Therefore it was always preferable to stay until morning in a nice clean bed with no roaches or rats roaming around.

After corona, most BGs seem to have their own place, or shared with only another friend, and with that comes, privacy, better living and sleeping conditions, and unfortunately no desire to stay longer then necessary in someone else's bed.

That's my take on it.[/QUOTE]Have you seen some of these guys? Old and ugly. ST is their preference. LOL.

"SJ, hope that pancit re-birth didn't "soften" things for you. ".

Dearest WestCoast1;.

Thank you kindly for your concern for Sailor Jack's tiller fulfillment. Sailor Jack can assure you that SJ sailed on through these turbulent waters and reached a satisfying, climatic ending.

The exact details, sounds, and smells of this skullfuck / vomit are beneath the dignity of these August pages and are best left to the reader's imagination.

Very Truly Yours;.

Sailor Jack.

P.S.; SJ must report that the odor has lingered.

Images; L10 will be covered in a future post. That second image was taken immediately upon L10 catching a mouth full of SJ spunk.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2759250]
After corona, most BGs seem to have their own place,.[/QUOTE]Paid for by some love sick homeboy that will never visit to collect on those monthly remittances.

Recently I had the pleasure of spending a few days in Angeles, which was a great to be out of Manila for a while.

Over the course of my 3 days there I had overnight company with 3 different ladies, the first was from Monsoon, nice lady, great attuite and performance, barfine was 3. 5 K peso I think, gave her a 1 K tip the following day as she stayed until after lunch time and made sure I was well serviced.

Second night I took a shine to one of the dancers in Avalon, she was super cute and I really liked her personality, here the bar fine was 5 K peso which I am guessing was a special rate because she was part of the dance troop, would be interested to hear what others have to say on special rates for dancers.

Was she worth it? Oh yea, she had a dancers body, super fit (and horny) and wore me out after the 3rd pop late the following morning, each session lasting a long time (and I am in my 50's), would I repeat, I think so, but I would need to go start going to the gym first so I don't die of a heart attack. I also gave her a tip.

The last night I was in touch with one of the ladies from Lollipop who I did some bar hopping with before taking her back, here there was no bar fine as it was her day off (I had her number from before), so if the lady likes you, this is always an option.

As a side note: the "show" in Avalon has really improved a lot since I started going there, XS is still the #1 spot for a free professional dance show, but great to see more bars are putting more effort in, it can be a bit depressing to go into a bar and you as the sitting customer are more animated with a beer in your hand than the handful of ladies up on the dance stage If anyone has recommendations for decent or sexy shows please do share.

All in all, a great visit, will be back again before the end of the year.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2759813]Recently I had the pleasure of spending a few days in Angeles, which was a great to be out of Manila for a while.

Over the course of my 3 days there I had overnight company with 3 different ladies, the first was from Monsoon, nice lady, great attuite and performance, barfine was 3. 5 K peso I think, gave her a 1 K tip the following day as she stayed until after lunch time and made sure I was well serviced. (1)

Second night I took a shine to one of the dancers in Avalon, she was super cute and I really liked her personality, here the bar fine was 5 K peso which I am guessing was a special rate because she was part of the dance troop, would be interested to hear what others have to say on special rates for dancers.

Was she worth it? Oh yea, she had a dancers body, super fit (and horny) and wore me out after the 3rd pop late the following morning, each session lasting a long time (and I am in my 50's), would I repeat, I think so, but I would need to go start going to the gym first so I don't die of a heart attack. I also gave her a tip. (2)

The last night I was in touch with one of the ladies from Lollipop who I did some bar hopping with before taking her back, here there was no bar fine as it was her day off (I had her number from before), so if the lady likes you, this is always an option. (3)

As a side note: the "show" in Avalon has really improved a lot since I started going there, XS is still the #1 spot for a free professional dance show, but great to see more bars are putting more effort in, it can be a bit depressing to go into a bar and you as the sitting customer are more animated with a beer in your hand than the handful of ladies up on the dance stage If anyone has recommendations for decent or sexy shows please do share. (4)

All in all, a great visit, will be back again before the end of the year.[/QUOTE]Nice report!

I do not know how this reply thingy works. Apparently it is too complicated for a drunk.

(1) Nicely done. Please provide images for the rest of us.

(2) Again nicely done, although without images for the rest of us, well, you can do better.

"Was she worth it? Oh yea". All questions are thus answered. Oo, 5 K is the rate at these bars, period. Pay the barfine or get in a fucking time machine and go back to 1993. Sailor Jack has a forthcoming post about paying a 5 K barfine, and a very happy ending.

(3) This is Sailor Jack's motis operandi! Wait. Are you the reason my Lollipop girl no showed on me?

(4) Avalon does present a good show.

On rare occasions Sailor Jack will barhop at Avalon with a girl. The girls like these shows as much as the guys. And it is something to do between blowjobs and you don't got to talk to your girl while you are there. (Although I do like if my girl tries to talk during a blowjob.) Atlantis and XS also do good shows. To a lessor level, also DollHouse.

Images; C44 will be covered in a future post.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896]Nice report!

Pay the barfine or get in a fucking time machine and go back to 1993. .[/QUOTE]Pissed myself laughing.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896]

(3) This is Sailor Jack's motis operandi! Wait. Are you the reason my Lollipop girl no showed on me.[/QUOTE]Jack or Ghost, I'm wondering what the 5 k girls are expecting for a sneak out hookup off the books? 1500 seems doable for a 3 bagger but I'd expect a hot dancer to be double that. Sound about right?

P.S. Jack, did you shrink wrap pink thong girl? Very tidy indeed.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896]Nice report![/QUOTE]Cheers, Sharing is caring.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896] (1) Nicely done. Please provide images for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Must try to be less horny / selfish and start taking snaps.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896] Oo, 5 K is the rate at these bars, period. Pay the barfine or get in a fucking time machine and go back to 1993. [/QUOTE]Ah OK, love the response, OK so not all the bars have a standard barfine (Monsoon 3. 5 K compared to Avalon at 5 K), that somewhat answers my question as to if the dancer was more than the newer girls who mostly stood around in between the dance shows, does anyone know if it is it like this in XS?

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2759896] Are you the reason my Lollipop girl no showed on me?[/QUOTE]Hahaha, I doubt it, but sharing is caring.

Last night I BF a spinner. True spinner as she twirl herself around to rcg. Had a great time with her LT.

Tonight I might BF her again and with 1 or 2 of her spinner friend. All in for 3 = 10.5 k or $181.03. Vegas prices back in 1920?

Just reporting in folks. I have no complaints here in AC.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759924]

Jack or Ghost, I'm wondering what the 5 k girls are expecting for a sneak out hookup off the books? 1500 seems doable for a 3 bagger but I'd expect a hot dancer to be double that. Sound about right?[/QUOTE]Great question, no idea, typically I would ask them when is their day off and offer to spend time with them there for an agreed rate (always less than barfine and tip though).

One lady I saw last year (she was 19) kept insisting we go to the bar so she could collect the barfine, even though I tried to explain she would have more money in her pocket if we didn't do that, I guess she was worried about keeping her job as it was still pandemic times. Other ladies I have had tend to call in sick or come up with some family excuse for not turning up to work.

Interesting topic, would love to hear from others on this.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2760069]Great question, no idea, typically I would ask them when is their day off and offer to spend time with them there for an agreed rate (always less than barfine and tip though).

One lady I saw last year (she was 19) kept insisting we go to the bar so she could collect the barfine, even though I tried to explain she would have more money in her pocket if we didn't do that, I guess she was worried about keeping her job as it was still pandemic times. Other ladies I have had tend to call in sick or come up with some family excuse for not turning up to work.

Interesting topic, would love to hear from others on this.[/QUOTE]I have a couple girls that won't sneak out. Especially to ABC Hotel where they maybe recognize by other girls. They don't want to pay a fine or loose their job for sneaking out.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2760073]I have a couple girls that won't sneak out. Especially to ABC Hotel where they maybe recognize by other girls. They don't want to pay a fine or loose their job for sneaking out.[/QUOTE]I'd totally agree with this esp for a day or two and when the girl stays in town. For me, it's exceedingly rare for a girl to miss a shift, lie to the mama / bar to spend time with me. The downside for them is just too big (seen by others, fines, loose their job etc). My understanding of the previous posts was just to meet the bargirl during the day or when ever she isn't on shift. That's the pricing I was enquiring about. This I've seen and done many times, typically at about 1/2 price.

Note that I have taken bargirls out of town and for several days outside the barfine system. Typically they just say they are going home. I always tell them that dealing with the bar is their problem but I haven't heard of any fines etc. My XLT rate is typically the ST rate paid every day directly to the girl. Never had a girl complain at this.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2759924]Pissed myself laughing.

Jack or Ghost, I'm wondering what the 5 k girls are expecting for a sneak out hookup off the books? 1500 seems doable for a 3 bagger but I'd expect a hot dancer to be double that. Sound about right?

P.S. Jack, did you shrink wrap pink thong girl? Very tidy indeed.[/QUOTE]Barfines; the bars on Perimeter have barfines starting at 2200 p-2500 p. Quality? Sailor Jack recently reconned the Perimeter bars and a full report will be forthcoming*. Actually, Sailor Jack got too drunk and forgot half of what he learned. The update will be coming after my second Perimeter trip. Maybe.

Sailor Jack lives in a rented condo near Fields Avenue. So other girls seeing my sneak-outs stepping out is not a problem here. Yes, if the girl lives in a stay-in (a dorm like place that is pretty rough, I am told) the girls usually make some excuse to not be there. Especially prized are girls who live close enough (Pampanga, Subic, Manila) to be able to say; "I am going home for the day (s). ".

Dearest Goferring;.

C44 works at one of the big show bars and she is a current SJ Crew member (thus her face is not shown). C44 and Sailor Jack rendezvous at least once per week. C44 really likes Sailor Jack's clean, quiet, modern abode. C44 gets to control the TV remote and watch whatever Philippino shows she wants (between shaggings). I pay C44 3000 p long time. Shrink wrap? C44 is perfectly proportioned and she is a verified 4 feet 4 inches tall. Full report to follow*. Working title; "Sailor Jack Fucks A Hobbit. ".

Image; C44 will be covered in a future post*.

*Hey, I am pretty busy here with my daily appointments! Blimey!

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2760086]I pay C44 3000 p long time. Shrink wrap? C44 is perfectly proportioned and she is a verified 4 feet 4 inches tall. [/QUOTE]3000 for C44 and her ilk seems very fair indeed. Actually, I should report you for wage theft. 😜.

4'4" is very play sized and would give meaning to the term "spinner". By shrink wrapped, I meant that there isn't an ounce of baby fat on her. There is a lot to be said for young, trim and taught pocket rockets. Very rare to find in these JollieBelly times.

Oh, to be a Resident. I'm not at all jealous. 🔥.

G.

A lot of bars have a day when they're closed (Atlantis, Mondays, etc.) . Set up a date with your favorite on these closed days. Great dates, no negotiations.

Got my trip booked today. Mid Dec-Mid Jan, Central Park. Very much looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2760086]C44 is perfectly proportioned and she is a verified 4 feet 4 inches tall. Full report to follow*. Working title; "Sailor Jack Fucks A Hobbit. ".[/QUOTE]Don't think I've yet had one that small. A man can hope.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2760131]Oh, to be a Resident. 🔥.[/QUOTE]Good things here come in small packages.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2760131]4'4" is very play sized and would give meaning to the term "spinner". By shrink wrapped, I meant that there isn't an ounce of baby fat on her. There is a lot to be said for young, trim and taught pocket rockets. Very rare to find in these JollieBelly times.[/QUOTE]Got this one more than a decade ago, early 20's at that time. 4 feet 6 inches. A few years later, about 2015-16, there was a digital readout weight scale in my condo. Her majestic tiny-ness stepped on to it unrequested by me. "Same. Same always". Sweetie what is that? "Always same. My weight never change since school". Yes, but what is your weight today on the scale? "Twenty-seven point two. Always 27". Your weight has not changed in 10 years? "Yes". And your height? "137 since high school".

Tiny. Tye-knee.

First of all I just say coming to Angeles from the USA Is truly a vacation for me and not just all about the girls, but they do come in handy. I'm sure that some will say that Philippines (Angeles) is not a vacation location, but when you come from a daily grind in the USA Anything is a vacation.

I arrived Wed (2 Nov) and was last here in Jul 2018 then pandemic so I had to wait. Things has changed in my opinion, neither for the good or bad just changed. Change is always constant so no whining about that. The barfines has increased, unless you travel off the beaten path, which I did and loved every minute of it. The quality seems to be a little lacking. I have talked to girls that are well in their late 30's dancing, hardly ever saw that before or noticed. Some spinners and some who need to lose weight like myself. Had to look for the good specimens. LOL.

The girls I barfined were two from the side streets (1500 pesons a piece), both were awesome and one from the walking street bar (4000 pesos), a three holer and was very accomodating and one from wechat (2500 peseos), now she was a freak and a half. Did not have a bad experience from none of them. Vacation and fun is still to be had though sometimes you might be required to pay more. This is my last night so I am looking to get one more in before I leave (7 day vacation. Which is plenty of time for me as I will burn out fast with the drinking and the heat).

The problem I have is that the girls will latch on you if your really nice. This makes me uncomfortable as I have to be an asshole to tell them I'm here for vacation to have fun so please do not get attached. They want to stop by after work or come by during the day when I'm trying to relax. Not sure if this is just happening to me or a normal thing. I'm not a cruel person so it is hard for me to say calm the fuck down, this ain't a relationship.

Will I come back, sure I will. Not sure when, but have found the Dominican Republic during the pandemic and now I'm hooked. They are all about the game which I can play well, so no catching feelings. The cost seems to be on par with the Philippines now. Though the costs is starting to become on the same standards as the USA Which I ask myself why go somewhere where my spending is on par with the country I just came from. Well because I am getting a whole lot more in those places, just have to budget myself. '.

Sorry no pics as I do not want evidence. LOL.

Overall it was a great vacation. Oh by the way the Philippines Airlines tickets are expensive compared other airlines for some reason. I left from LAX and wanted the direct flight so I paid the price for that.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2760378]Don't think I've yet had one that small. A man can hope.

"Always same. My weight never change since school". Yes, but what is your weight today on the scale? "Twenty-seven point two. Always 27". Your weight has not changed in 10 years? "Yes". And your height? "137 since high school".

Tiny. Tye-knee.[/QUOTE]Dearest WestCoast1; did you mean to say 37.2 kg (82 lbs) instead of 27.2 kg (60 lbs) ? Sailor Jack just wants to fill out his scorecard correctly.

27.2 kg would put her below the legal limit and you should have thrown her back 😉 (not going to happen, now is it? On the other hand, on your flight home you could check her as baggage without any surcharge.

Photo; random SJ Archive photo.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2760396]Dearest WestCoast1; did you mean to say 37.2 kg (82 lbs) instead of 27.2 kg (60 lbs) ? Sailor Jack just wants to fill out his scorecard correctly.

27.2 kg would put her below the legal limit and you should have thrown her back 😉 (not going to happen, now is it? On the other hand, on your flight home you could check her as baggage without any surcharge.[/QUOTE]The numbers are correct. She is 27 kg (60 lbs), and 4' 6". I can not throw her back, as I have been reeling her in for about 11 years, and she enjoys being caught.

Good random SJ archive photo!

[QUOTE=Jinks;2760393]Oh by the way the Philippines Airlines tickets are expensive compared other airlines for some reason. I left from LAX and wanted the direct flight so I paid the price for that.[/QUOTE]Yes, that non-stop from the US west coast to NAIA on PAL is about $300 more expensive than 1-stop flights. You are paying for convenience.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2760428]Yes, that non-stop from the US west coast to NAIA on PAL is about $300 more expensive than 1-stop flights. You are paying for convenience.[/QUOTE]With phi airlines it should be booked well ahead to get cheaper fares. For my next trip in March I booked on Philippines Airlines to multiple stops including Jakarta and paid only $1200. They have very few initial cheap prices. Otherwise it gets expensive. Cheapest flights are on Eva Airlines. Excellent service and decent timings. Philippines airlines usually arrives very early in the morning.

On another note I need a short time hotel in Manila from around 6 am to 8 pm in March. What will be the best approach? Preferably around Ermita. Will the regular hotels do that if I go directly and ask?

Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2760494]On another note I need a short time hotel in Manila from around 6 am to 8 pm in March. What will be the best approach? Preferably around Ermita. Will the regular hotels do that if I go directly and ask?[/QUOTE]There are two Sogo's in Malate. See pic / map. They are on Mabini (Sogo. Malate) and one block over, on Madre Ignacia St (Sogo. Quirino), very near Quirino Street. Both are ST places. You can call and reserve in advance, and give them your specific inbound / outbound time, so they can have the room waiting for you upon arrival. Not sure what documents you will need (if any) upon check-in at that time.

This is for DG, but others might get a kick out of it (I still can't believe I didn't get a Report of Distinction: D) My first trip 5 years ago when I was green and wide-eyed. It's fun to re-live now that I'm a seasoned vet. It does sound a little douchey after re-reading but I was overwhelmed so forgive me. :)

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2079253&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2079253.

(scroll down a couple of posts).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2760586]There are two Sogo's in Malate. See pic / map. They are on Mabini (Sogo. Malate) and one block over, on Madre Ignacia St (Sogo. Quirino), very near Quirino Street. Both are ST places. You can call and reserve in advance, and give them your specific inbound / outbound time, so they can have the room waiting for you upon arrival. Not sure what documents you will need (if any) upon check-in at that time.[/QUOTE]I used Sogo for a few hours the other day, and the only papers I was asked for at check-in are called pesos.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2760649]This is for DG, but others might get a kick out of it (I still can't believe I didn't get a Report of Distinction: D) My first trip 5 years ago when I was green and wide-eyed. It's fun to re-live now that I'm a seasoned vet. It does sound a little douchey after re-reading but I was overwhelmed so forgive me. :)

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2079253&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2079253.

(scroll down a couple of posts).[/QUOTE]Try this one, so you don't need to scroll:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2079253&viewfull=1#post2079253[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2760494]With phi airlines it should be booked well ahead to get cheaper fares. For my next trip in March I booked on Philippines Airlines to multiple stops including Jakarta and paid only $1200. They have very few initial cheap prices. Otherwise it gets expensive. Cheapest flights are on Eva Airlines. Excellent service and decent timings. Philippines airlines usually arrives very early in the morning.

On another note I need a short time hotel in Manila from around 6 am to 8 pm in March. What will be the best approach? Preferably around Ermita. Will the regular hotels do that if I go directly and ask?

Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]Hi Sam. I recently stayed at City Garden Suites in Ermita for something like $32. It's ok. Book for the night before and pay 50% more to extend until 8 pm. At least that is what they did for me. Walking distance to LA Cafe. Cheers.

[QUOTE=DCups;2760915]Hi Sam. I recently stayed at City Garden Suites in Ermita for something like $32. It's ok. Book for the night before and pay 50% more to extend until 8 pm. At least that is what they did for me. Walking distance to LA Cafe. Cheers.[/QUOTE]GCS would be a good option. On Mabini St. Half a block from Cowboy Grill, 1. 5 blocks to Robinsons, and 3-4 blocks from LAC. Not sure if it still exists, but CGS used to have a nice breakfast buffet spread.

You would be reserving for 2 nights (the first night is the night you arrive at 6 am). Alternately as per DC, call them and ask to reserve for the first night + pay extra for an 8-hour extension.

[QUOTE=DCups;2760915]Hi Sam. I recently stayed at City Garden Suites in Ermita for something like $32. It's ok. Book for the night before and pay 50% more to extend until 8 pm. At least that is what they did for me. Walking distance to LA Cafe. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I think I will personally go few hotels in the morning and ask. I will just have a small hand bag anyway. Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2760947]GCS would be a good option. On Mabini St. Half a block from Cowboy Grill, 1. 5 blocks to Robinsons, and 3-4 blocks from LAC. Not sure if it still exists, but CGS used to have a nice breakfast buffet spread.

You would be reserving for 2 nights (the first night is the night you arrive at 6 am). Alternately as per DC, call them and ask to reserve for the first night + pay extra for an 8-hour extension.[/QUOTE]I did go to their website and there was a chat option. Started asking the price for 6 Am to 6 Pm. Whoever the person was checked with the manager and came back and replied they do not do hourly basis. Yes it maybe true nook and extend maybe an option but I do not trust knuckleheads in Philippines who may throw me out at 12 noon. My flight lands early morning around 4 am. My plan is go personally go and walk around Ermita, mabini (I know the area very well) and talk to the manager on duty and make a deal. Need a pretty decent hotel even if it costs more. I might ask New Coast hotel where I stayed 4 nights last trip. They charge $100 with breakfast but hotel is 5 star. Since it is a casino hotel maybe they are willing to accommodate me. If I am not successful I will go to short term hotels. I would like to avoid them because I like luxury, clean, safe rooms.

As for girls it is not a problem for me. I can get from DIA. Will try to get new ones There are my previous trusted friends who will stay with me whole day. My flight to Jakarta leaves around 9 pm. No need to go to LA cafe unless I hit roadblocks.

First, Sailor Jack must say; Overpaying is a Sin.

Overpaying creates dissonance in local market pussy prices. Pussy sellers get greedy. Pussy buyers who pay too much on the spot market (weekend millionaires) cause pussy prices to spike at least temporarily. If there are too many weekend millionaires then the whole pussy market gets screwed up (pun intended). This annoys the crap out of us local daily pussy buyers.

Faithful local wingman Gman is offended at the thought of paying an actual barfine, no matter what the price. Gman works the secondary market and pays 1500 p-3000 p for the same bargirl pookie that gets 2500 p-5000 p in the bar. But Gman has built up a reliable client list over time and with no small amount of effort. Additionally, every pussy seller on Gman's client list is a proven performer. Good for Gman.

Sailor Jack likes to find a good bargain as much as the next Monger. But that can be taken too far*. Yes, Sailor Jack has a regular vendor list too. But Sailor Jack likes to prospect for new talent as well. Now this gets us to Sailor Jack paying a 5000 p barfine. Recently Sailor Jack was in one of the big bars on fields with all the show girls drinking a San Mig Pilsen and minding his own business like always. I will cut to the decision point; in the bar C44 was rubbing Sailor Jack's pants parrot vigorously. Decision made.

C44 is 19 years old, from Samar, weighs maybe 36 kilos, and she is a verified 4 feet 4 inches tall. C44's glorious golden brown body is perfectly proportioned but she is indeed a tiny little thing. Her skin is so soft, like fine brown silk. Sailor Jack cannot keep his hands off C44.

Back in Sailor Jack's cabin C44 insists on showering with Sailor Jack. So here are Sailor Jack and C44 in the shower and C44 is washing Sailor Jack thoroughly. This tiny LBFM spends extra time washing Sailor Jack's mess kit causing a throbbing erection. C44 begins sucking Sailor Jack's bowsprit in the shower, which 4'4" C44 can do while standing and bending forward only slightly.

In bed Sailor Jack finds that some positions are impossible with a 4'4" LBFM. C44 is a dutiful cowgirl but regular doggy style is impossible with C44's small frame. Sailor Jack has to bend C44 over the arm of the couch to apply proper doggy style torque to her tiny little ass. C44 is pretty wide-eyed because SJ does not think she had ever been fucked quite so hard. C44's silky brown skin contrasts perfectly with her tiny pink pink pink pink pussy**.

9 am comes and Sailor Jack introduces C44 to Mr MorningWood.

C44 is a current SJ Crew member.

*Having said all that, if SJ sees any of you Swabbies throwing fistfuls of 20 p notes off of the 2nd floor at Atlantis, then know that the Red Horse bottle that breaks against your skull was thrown by Sailor Jack.

**At no point in these festivities did Sailor Jack ever consider that he might have overpaid.

Photos; the faces of current SJ regulars are blurred.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2761244]If there are too many weekend millionaires then the whole pussy market gets screwed up (pun intended). This annoys the crap out of us local daily pussy buyers.[/QUOTE]It shouldn't do. Weekend millionaires and long term are different markets.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2682671]

Para 3:. Depends what you want to pay for. I'm always in town for a while so time is on my side. I don't need to pay a premium for access at a given time or before I go back home. It suits me to be a sidedick: let other guys buy them phones, silver service dinners and 5 star holidays; when Daddy has gone home or the rent is due then she can give me a call to come over on my terms. It may take a little time but the day will come.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Of course, one thing that is often missed when discussing long term stays is access to civilian girls. Bank clerks, sales girls, the girl met while buying a pound of carrots can all be equally, if not more, attractive as pole dancing Crystal. And she will cost a lot less money and aggravation. A lot less. I've written a few times of my pleasant surprise at unwrapping new jeans and T-shirt Pinas to find a bikini model underneath.

It's all very much each to their own. If a guy is spending his money to get what he likes, then it's not my concern.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2761244]
Photos; the faces of current SJ regulars are blurred.[/QUOTE]A quick peruse of SJ's crew goes a long way towards justifying the journey to this far off port.

Seems that the port call to AC is well worth the wargames of airfares, immigration and manila traffic.

I will certainly need to restock when I arrive.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2758929]When my grandad was a kid, he said a loaf of bread was 19 cents. Now it's $6. Insanity!

Seems like you're one of those old white guys that travels the world exploiting and fucking young, impoverished, uneducated girls for $20 all night, multiple shots on goal, and then complaining that it's still too expensive and you got ripped off. That's one level higher on the social ladder than rock spider.

All night with a hooker in London, Sydney, Paris or LA would be around $2,000+. So you really think $100 in AC is insane? It's inflation, not insanity. You can watch Trike Patrol from your basement for free, but then you need to still pay for internet.[/QUOTE]In the Post-Colonial Era, you are describing at least 90 percent of the monger community. Young handsome corporate executives with generous stock options and severance agreements do not need to venture to global backwaters for copulation at cut-rate prices. There are not many places left in the world where a pensioner with $20 and a vial of Viagra can leave a young lady with a sore pussy after a night of multiple shots delivered on goal. In the Philippines, hooking is considered a low-skill and shameful occupation. Hence, practitioners hail from the lowest rungs of a broken socioeconomic ladder. Some mongers pay $20 while others pay $200,000 and complain on the Raffy Tulfo Show about not getting in enough shots on goal.

[URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1946019/pampanga/local-news/lazatin-to-convert-walking-street-to-al-fresco-dining-strip[/URL]

Sailor Jack has no real read on if this will really happen.

It seems unlikely that the forces that control the bars will agree to this plan.

Photo; SJ Archives

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2758929]All night with a hooker in London, Sydney, Paris or LA would be around $2,000+. So you really think $100 in AC is insane?[/QUOTE]Rent in London, Sydney, Paris, and LA is $2000. Rent in AC is $50. It is insane to travel somewhere and be happy to pay more than something costs on the basis that it costs less than somewhere else.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762267][URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1946019/pampanga/local-news/lazatin-to-convert-walking-street-to-al-fresco-dining-strip[/URL]

Sailor Jack has no real read on if this will really happen.

It seems unlikely that the forces that control the bars will agree to this plan.[/QUOTE]From the article:

[B]"The CEO was tasked to finish the said rehabilitation by June 2023."[/B] Enjoy it while you can, gents.

Obligatory pic. Obligatory caption: "Crawl to me in the morning, love".

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762267][URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1946019/pampanga/local-news/lazatin-to-convert-walking-street-to-al-fresco-dining-strip[/URL]

Sailor Jack has no real read on if this will really happen.

It seems unlikely that the forces that control the bars will agree to this plan.

Photo; SJ Archives[/QUOTE]I really don't see a demand for all this Al fresco dining to replace Walking Street. Let dining at the why remain!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2761737]In the Post-Colonial Era, you are describing at least 90 percent of the monger community. Young handsome corporate executives with generous stock options and severance agreements do not need to venture to global backwaters for copulation at cut-rate prices. There are not many places left in the world where a pensioner with $20 and a vial of Viagra can leave a young lady with a sore pussy after a night of multiple shots delivered on goal. In the Philippines, hooking is considered a low-skill and shameful occupation. Hence, practitioners hail from the lowest rungs of a broken socioeconomic ladder. Some mongers pay $20 while others pay $200,000 and complain on the Raffy Tulfo Show about not getting in enough shots on goal.[/QUOTE]Finally got your electricity turned back on?

The June 2023 date is just to finish the rehab of the roads and drainage. Which it badly needs.

I can't see this 'red street' doing anything but killing tourism in AC. We'll see if local businesses will put up a fight.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2762291]From the article:

[B]"The CEO was tasked to finish the said rehabilitation by June 2023."[/B] Enjoy it while you can, gents.

Obligatory pic. Obligatory caption: "Crawl to me in the morning, love".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762267][URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1946019/pampanga/local-news/lazatin-to-convert-walking-street-to-al-fresco-dining-strip[/URL]

Sailor Jack has no real read on if this will really happen.[/QUOTE]Good to see finds time to keep SJ his finger on current affairs in addition to bar room affairs. Busy fingers in deed.

In my short AC Walking Street history of 10 years I have seen.

2012 - simple bitumen coverage.

2014 - Upgraded road surface with designs and tiling.

2016 - Upgraded road surfaces starts crumbling due to poor construction (and corrupted payments).

2018 - Deteriorated surface gets covered with bitumen.

2022 - Bitumen deteriorating.

So for the 2023 refurb, P14.5 M less design fees, less kickbacks for all. Not much for actual construction and quality materials.

Where is the money for promoting the new image. Cannot imagine the local traders' co-op funding attracting Jennelyn and her three kids for a free day.

Totally accept the Mayor's concept to change the image and activity but it's going to take more than a new road surface and some drainage.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2762403]Good to see finds time to keep SJ his finger on current affairs in addition to bar room affairs. Busy fingers in deed.

In my short AC Walking Street history of 10 years I have seen.

2012 - simple bitumen coverage.

2014 - Upgraded road surface with designs and tiling.

2016 - Upgraded road surfaces starts crumbling due to poor construction (and corrupted payments).

2018 - Deteriorated surface gets covered with bitumen.

2022 - Bitumen deteriorating.

So for the 2023 refurb, P14.5 M less design fees, less kickbacks for all. Not much for actual construction and quality materials.

Where is the money for promoting the new image. Cannot imagine the local traders' co-op funding attracting Jennelyn and her three kids for a free day.

Totally accept the Mayor's concept to change the image and activity but it's going to take more than a new road surface and some drainage.[/QUOTE]As SJ mentioned, Sailor Jack has no real read on any of this. You can forget logic and common sense in AC.

Some thoughts;.

1) Sailor Jack did live in AC during a 'major change' to Fields Avenue (2007-2009). There was a big plan to change all of Fields Avenue, updates, renovations, a whole new image and focus. Girlie bars were going away and there would be a new focus. Fields Avenue would become 'Walking Street' like in Pattaya (SJ hopes this makes you laugh as hard now as we laughed then). The outcome? The roads were resurfaced and sidewalks were upgraded (yes, the roads and sidewalks were actually worse than they are now). A section of the street was closed off to traffic and it became 'Walking Steet. ' Oh, and grand signs were put up at both ends of the street. Not much really changed. Not quite Pattaya, now is it?

2) This is a delicate subject. Sailor Jack's understanding is that Fields Avenue bars primary business is money laundering. Legitimate tourist businesses are unlikely to do this better than what now exists.

3) There were once many girlie bars in the Ermita section of Manila near L. A. Café. (this is all prior to Sailor Jack making landfall in the Philippines). Some elected moron decided to 'clean up' the area and the girlie bars were indeed run out of there. So it can happen. (If some one knows this tale better than Sailor Jack, then please correct SJ).

Sailor Jack just does not know. Sometimes the wind changes and you got to adjust your sails.

Photo; SJ archives.

Report to follow.

Photo; SJ Archives.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762267][URL]https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1946019/pampanga/local-news/lazatin-to-convert-walking-street-to-al-fresco-dining-strip[/URL]

Sailor Jack has no real read on if this will really happen.

It seems unlikely that the forces that control the bars will agree to this plan.

Photo; SJ Archives[/QUOTE]These types of press announcements for fake infrastructure projects. From alfresco dining strips to new airports to wind farms are very common in corrupt shit hole countries. They are announced so that they can get free project development money from the central governments, foreign donors and NGOs. The money then quickly vanishes into various overseas bank accounts belonging to the usual suspects. India does this type of fake infrastructure announcement on a grand scale. Foreign engineering consulting firms and construction companies will pay bribes to position themselves for projects that will never get off the ground. After 5 years of toil, the project will get cancelled as the local authorities never had any intention of building the infrastructure in the first place.

In the case of Walking Street, the Korean mafia dons will need to bless any new development. I don't think that's going to happen.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2762403]Good to see finds time to keep SJ his finger on current affairs in addition to bar room affairs. Busy fingers in deed.

In my short AC Walking Street history..[/QUOTE]A few years back Sailor Jack was riding his bicycle out around the Clarke area where the exhaust fumes are not so bad. Sailor Jack stopped by a field of strange looking plants. The field was about the size of a football pitch. The plants were being cared for but the plants were clearly not doing so well in the Philippines climate. There was an elegant sign that read something like; "Philippines / XXXXXX XXXXXX XX XXXXXXX Joint Jatropha International Global Warming Blah Blah Blah Project".

Sailor Jack thought about it for a moment. Then Sailor Jack got it! This sorry ass field of wilted Jatropha was the result of millions of dollars some other country's (guess who!) money poured down the endless sewer drain of Philippines corruption.

A paraphrased quote from Brother Berry; "Sometimes I think I am being too cynical. But here a high degree of cynicism is necessary."

Dearest AsianPursuits;.

Rest assured that SJ has his fingers on the local puwit, uh.....pulse.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2762287]Rent in London, Sydney, Paris, and LA is $2000. Rent in AC is $50. It is insane to travel somewhere and be happy to pay more than something costs on the basis that it costs less than somewhere else.[/QUOTE]If a monger is paying more than what the local trike drivers pay for a root, he is paying above fair market value and the LBFMs are scamming him.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2762536]They are announced so that they can get free project development money from the central governments, foreign donors and NGOs.[/QUOTE]The Me Too brigade must be frothing at the mouth at the opportunity to fund the rescue of peasant girls enslaved to a life of being molested and compelled to serve western men's perverted fetishes.

Just imagine all the NGO training schools that can be set up to upskill Mary from sucking dick to cleaning CRs in a Michelin starred restaurant.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762437]Report to follow.

Photo; SJ Archives.[/QUOTE]Did she fix your TV while she was there?

😋.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762638]A few years back Sailor Jack was riding his bicycle out around the Clarke area /snip/
Sailor Jack thought about it for a moment. Then Sailor Jack got it! This sorry ass field of wilted Jatropha was the result of millions of dollars some other country's (guess who!) money poured down the endless sewer drain of Philippines corruption.
.[/QUOTE]My preferred Clark sign is the one proudly announcing that Clark is no Plastic Free, can still read abou tit here [URL]https://www.philstar.com/nation/2016/01/18/1543930/plastic-ban-enforced-clark-freeport[/URL] as well as buy all your takeaway plastics at Clark shops.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2762710]Did she fix your TV while she was there?

😋.[/QUOTE]She probably brought a couple of useful tubes, actually prefer those to the TVs with a more solid state.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2762679]If a monger is paying more than what the local trike drivers pay for a root, he is paying above fair market value and the LBFMs are scamming him.[/QUOTE]I wish hookers were buying me smokes and Red Horse. That's where our money is going. I don't know any girls getting paid by local BF's. It's the other way around.

[QUOTE=GhostD;2759813]
Second night I took a shine to one of the dancers in Avalon, she was super cute and I really liked her personality, here the bar fine was 5 K peso which I am guessing was a special rate because she was part of the dance troop, would be interested to hear what others have to say on special rates for dancers.
[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure it's not by dance group but woman specific.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2758929]When my grandad was a kid, he said a loaf of bread was 19 cents. Now it's $6. Insanity!

Seems like you're one of those old white guys that travels the world exploiting and fucking young, impoverished, uneducated girls for $20 all night, multiple shots on goal, and then complaining that it's still too expensive and you got ripped off. That's one level higher on the social ladder than rock spider.

All night with a hooker in London, Sydney, Paris or LA would be around $2,000+. So you really think $100 in AC is insane? It's inflation, not insanity. You can watch Trike Patrol from your basement for free, but then you need to still pay for internet.[/QUOTE]Paying $100 is insane if you are making $10.00 per hour. Then again you couldn't afford a plane ticket to AC.

[QUOTE=KeyMaster;2762972]I'm pretty sure it's not by dance group but woman specific.[/QUOTE]Immaterial if she is in special "spotlight" pricing group or not. Only thing material was she worth it or not?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2762851]I wish hookers were buying me smokes and Red Horse. That's where our money is going. I don't know any girls getting paid by local BF's. It's the other way around.[/QUOTE]It is very easy for your wish to come true. I have a trike license I can sell you?

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2762437]Report to follow.

Photo; SJ Archives.[/QUOTE]No report. Just some archive.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2758929]When my grandad was a kid, he said a loaf of bread was 19 cents. Now it's $6. Insanity!
C .[/QUOTE]How much did your granddad say an I-phone cost when he was a kid?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2763524]How much did your granddad say an I-phone cost when he was a kid?[/QUOTE]It wasn't much. 2 used orange juice cans and some string.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2763524]How much did your granddad say an I-phone cost when he was a kid?[/QUOTE]In deepest, darkest Africa, jungle drums and smoke signals were free.

So loyal wingman BigA and Sailor Jack are walking back from lunch at Orchid Inn. On the way back we pass by the chapel on the corner on Raymond / Rosario Street, behind the old Orchid Inn.

Sailor Jack is minding his own business like always.

Next to the chapel is another establishment. Sailor Jack is not quite sure what it is, but there are always very friendly women out front chatting with passersby. Maybe it is a social club? Perhaps a knitting club?

Anyway, a woman is heard yelling from inside the knitting club;.

"Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack's blood runs cold. Now a little brown chunky monkey runs out of the knitting club, runs up to Sailor Jack, throws her pudgy arms around Sailor Jack, and gives Sailor Jack a big sweaty kiss.

BigA observes all this with stunned disbelief. Sailor Jack explains to BigA that this is clearly a case of mistaken identity. BigA will have none of that. BigA deducts (wrongly, of course) that this ChubScout knows Sailor Jack somehow. BigA goes further to posit that Sailor Jack has had sexual relations with aforementioned FatFilipina!

Sailor Jack pleads innocence while trying to pry the porcine princess's sweaty paws off his neck. BigA does not say a word but just shakes his head like he is trying to get some image out of his brain.

Next day, BigA sees fit to bring up the topic in front of a panel of fellow mongers at Margarita Station. Sailor Jack pleads his case of mistaken identity. Zero mongers buy it.

Sailor Jack publicly confesses to fucking a fat girl. Actually, it was just a blowjob, but the mongers will not buy that either, so Sailor Jack cops to the whole offense. Sailor Jack is subjected to public ridicule and abuse by his monger peers, all of whom refuse to admit ever fucking a fat girl themselves, the fucking liars. Sailor Jack feels great shame.

Sailor Jack's files an appeal for lack of physical evidence (Porky swallowed it) but SJ's appeal is denied.

So it appears that if a fat chick runs out of a working girl house screaming your name – well there is just no defense for that.

Fucking a fat girl is like riding a motor scooter – sure it is fun – but do not let your friends catch you doing it.

None of these photos are of the plus-size Pilippina in question. These photos are from SJ's archives.

*Actually, that is not true. Sailor Jack's ability to feel shame was completely removed decades ago while in Tijuana attending the donkey show.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2763791]So loyal wingman BigA and Sailor Jack are walking back from lunch at Orchid Inn. On the way back we pass by the chapel on the corner on Raymond / Rosario Street, behind the old Orchid Inn.

Sailor Jack is minding his own business like always.

Next to the chapel is another establishment. Sailor Jack is not quite sure what it is, but there are always very friendly women out front chatting with passersby. Maybe it is a social club? Perhaps a knitting club?

Anyway, a woman is heard yelling from inside the knitting club;.

"Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack!

Sailor Jack's blood runs cold. Now a little brown chunky monkey runs out of the knitting club, runs up to Sailor Jack, throws her pudgy arms around Sailor Jack, and gives Sailor Jack a big sweaty kiss.

BigA observes all this with stunned disbelief. Sailor Jack explains to BigA that this is clearly a case of mistaken identity. BigA will have none of that. BigA deducts (wrongly, of course) that this ChubScout knows Sailor Jack somehow. BigA goes further to posit that Sailor Jack has had sexual relations with aforementioned FatFilipina!

Sailor Jack pleads innocence while trying to pry the porcine princess's sweaty paws off his neck. BigA does not say a word but just shakes his head like he is trying to get some image out of his brain.

Next day, BigA sees fit to bring up the topic in front of a panel of fellow mongers at Margarita Station. Sailor Jack pleads his case of mistaken identity. Zero mongers buy it.

Sailor Jack publicly confesses to fucking a fat girl. Actually, it was just a blowjob, but the mongers will not buy that either, so Sailor Jack cops to the whole offense. Sailor Jack is subjected to public ridicule and abuse by his monger peers, all of whom refuse to admit ever fucking a fat girl themselves, the fucking liars. Sailor Jack feels great shame*.

Sailor Jack's files an appeal for lack of physical evidence (Porky swallowed it) but SJ's appeal is denied.

So it appears that if a fat chick runs out of a working girl house screaming your name well there is just no defense for that.

Fucking a fat girl is like riding a motor scooter sure it is fun but do not let your friends catch you doing it.

None of these photos are of the plus-size Pilippina in question. These photos are from SJ's archives.

*Actually, that is not true. Sailor Jack's ability to feel shame was completely removed decades ago while in Tijuana attending the donkey show.[/QUOTE]BFD. I have fucked some chubbies and they have turned out to be some good fucks. Chubby pussy matters too. Personally I don't give a shit about what others think. In my younger years I missed out on some good fucks by wondering what my buddies might think. Not now. If she gives me wood at the time then I am entering!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2763889]BFD. I have fucked some chubbies and they have turned out to be some good fucks. Chubby pussy matters too...[/QUOTE]Fatties and chicks with dicks: I've lost count of the number of guys that have "accidentally" fucked them 20 times a trip but would never admit to enjoying it.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2763945]Fatties and chicks with dicks: I've lost count of the number of guys that have "accidentally" fucked them 20 times a trip but would never admit to enjoying it.[/QUOTE]Probably the same guys who do multiple "pops" with each girl and does multiple girls in a day. 5555.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2763630]In deepest, darkest Africa, jungle drums and smoke signals were free.[/QUOTE]They still are.

[QUOTE=Jinks;2760393] The problem I have is that the girls will latch on you if your really nice. This makes me uncomfortable as I have to be an asshole to tell them I'm here for vacation to have fun so please do not get attached. They want to stop by after work or come by during the day when I'm trying to relax. Not sure if this is just happening to me or a normal thing. I'm not a cruel person so it is hard for me to say calm the fuck down, this ain't a relationship. [/QUOTE]I went to the Philippines about 20 or so times from 1994-2017 and am really wanting to get back there again (went to Thailand some 60 times since 1992 with a 2-year forced break because of pandemic but resumption in March and October this year. Have some business in Thailand).

I miss the long-times and GFEs, though you identify a pitfall there that I've run into. If I get a really good performer with a good GFE there's a huge urge to keep taking her because it just makes sense vs. Finding a new one that probabilities say won't be as good. I've never said anything to lead them on but nonetheless have gotten the jealous-girlfriend bit when I didn't know we were in a relationship! I took a provincial girl with me to Makati from Angeles for a daytrip and she was kinda wowed but fumed and gave me the silent treatment after she thought a clerk at a cybercafe was flirting with me. But the big one was when a girl I'd taken for a third time out of LA Cafe in Manila found out I'd taken another girl from there and suddenly just blew up my cellphone with calls and texts at 10 am When I was in a taxi. It was embarrassing. In thinking back I realized she'd shown up at the hotel two nights earlier (they wouldn't let her in unescorted). I was going to get her anyway at LA Cafe and didn't think anything of her showing up like that unprompted, but I guess it was an indication of getting attached.

So I really like the long times and GFE experience but I need to be on guard with the three-takeout rule and look for other clues. Have also met girls with pictures from Thailand on their phones. Some western guy had taken her there. Like coals to Newcastle but I kinda get it. OTOH, one of my better long-times was later taken to Thailand and showered with gifts by some young-butterfly very well compensated Wall Street type. Just ruined her. She was spoiled and left with unrealistic expectations but the guy's a butterfly and other customers at the bar all will seem like cheap Charlies after that. I don't leave that kind of footprint.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;2764641]

So I really like the long times and GFE experience but I need to be on guard with the three-takeout rule and look for other clues. Have also met girls with pictures from Thailand on their phones. Some western guy had taken her there. Like coals to Newcastle but I kinda get it. OTOH, one of my better long-times was later taken to Thailand and showered with gifts by some young-butterfly very well compensated Wall Street type. Just ruined her. She was spoiled and left with unrealistic expectations but the guy's a butterfly and other customers at the bar all will seem like cheap Charlies after that. I don't leave that kind of footprint.[/QUOTE]I suppose she had to come back to reality at some point when her pockets were empty enough. Grateful that you don't leave that kind of footprint! Despite our competitive and self serving instincts, we have to keep coordinated so we can all have something to enjoy.

I agree with you that it's best to keep a limit on the number of takeouts for any one girl in one spot. As far as I'm concerned, they've no business or right to post any claim to you when transactions are involved. You need to leave them be when you see them with other customers, after all, and they need to allow you the same freedom.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2764674]I suppose she had to come back to reality at some point when her pockets were empty enough. Grateful that you don't leave that kind of footprint! Despite our competitive and self serving instincts, we have to keep coordinated so we can all have something to enjoy.[/QUOTE]I'm generally in town for a while so I'm a big fan of being a side dick. Daddy can buy her the business class holidays, phones and fine dining. That's fine. But all the girls know that when he's gone and bills need to be paid, then they can drop around on my terms for a cash top up. I've written a few times before of girls that are charging 3000ST for tourists straight off the boat, 1500 for an afternoon before work for preferred customers and occasionally down to 500 for broke dive masters when a bill is due NOW. No one likes to discuss that she is also paying, not paid by, a pinoy boyfriend for sex. That's THE SAME GIRL. Tiered pricing is very much alive in PI.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2764674]I agree with you that it's best to keep a limit on the number of takeouts for any one girl in one spot. As far as I'm concerned, they've no business or right to post any claim to you when transactions are involved. You need to leave them be when you see them with other customers, after all, and they need to allow you the same freedom.[/QUOTE]I've moved away from barfines but, back in the day, it wasn't unusual for me to do a rolling barfine for a girl I clicked with or returned to from a previous visit. I found it saved time, money and risk as I continued with a girl who was pressing the right buttons. I'm pretty up front with intentions so I didn't have too many issues with girls getting possessive. Those that did, I just put down to protecting their investment and income stream rather than falling in love with a fine male specimen like myself.

Civilians or part timers are more of an issue but only if the guy allows it to be so. A polite reminder that I'm here for a good time not a long term BF / GF relationship generally works. If they aren't happy with that or start to go psycho, then there is always the door. Again, no need to insult anyone but the girls will only go nuts if they thing they can get away with it or if its to their benefit.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;2764641]I miss the long-times and GFEs, though you identify a pitfall there that I've run into. If I get a really good performer with a good GFE there's a huge urge to keep taking her because it just makes sense vs. Finding a new one that probabilities say won't be as good.[/QUOTE]I thought people went to PI because the probablility of finding a good performer with good GFE was high. But in your experience it is not?

[QUOTE=Ploughman;2764641]I've never said anything to lead them on but nonetheless have gotten the jealous-girlfriend bit when I didn't know we were in a relationship![/QUOTE]It is just that chicks know who they can pull that shit with. I do not even get that from normal chicks I am in a real relationship with. It would seem really weird to me if a hooker did it. I guess I would just laugh and be like you funny.

What has changed?

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2764876]What has changed?[/QUOTE]The best way to explain that is for you to go ahead and read what we've been writing on this thread for the past 6 or so months. A lot has changed, from increased Korean bar ownership, increased barfines, restos, and SW. Start at AC thread page 45:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City/page45[/URL]

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2764876]What has changed?[/QUOTE]20 years ago!

Be careful not to fuck any 19 year olds. She might be your daughter! Btw, bring some DNA swabs with you just in case.

Pussy is still available. Please don't post any "I remember when" shit living in the past.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2764876]What has changed?[/QUOTE]Reading back in the forums will give you a small idea of what angeles has turned into but when you actually get boots on the ground you will immediately realise that truthfully absolutely nothing possitive remains especially when it comes to girls looks, size, attitude and greed is concerned.

Will be waiting for your field report.

Three bars (BodyShop, Masquerades, LaBamba) have joined together for 'Manic Mondays' parties. See the sign.

Hours are 6 pm to 8 pm, although you need to get there earlier to get a good seat. There were no empty seats by 6 pm. No cover charge.

Sailor Jack attended the recent Manic Monday at BodyShop. The BodyShop girls were joined by 5-6 girls from each of the other two bars. There were some 'spotlight' dancers and some topless dancers. There were about 50 guys attending. A small free sandwich on a plate was brought out to each guy. It was okay, but nothing like a meal. There was a raffle with several winners. Every attendee got one raffle ticket plus one ticket for each lady drink purchased. The prizes were free drinks or food, which is kind of nice.

Sailor did not see anything that he would barfine at the going rate.

The food was free so not much was expected. Sailor Jack thinks there is no reason to give away free food. Sailor Jack thinks it might me better to grill up some decent hot dogs on buns and sell them cheap.

This was the first of the Manic Mondays, so maybe future Manic Mondays will be better. Sailor Jack plans to attend if only to support these bars that are trying hard to improve.

A special note here to the recently re-opened Masquerades (it is the old Rhapsody bar). The managers, waitresses, and girls here are trying very hard. Sailor Jack has seen a steady improvement in their business and in their girls. Please support these non-Korean bars. Stop in for a beer and buy a lady drink or two. Beers are cheap and the AirCon is good. We need them to be successful.

Unrelated SJ Archives photo.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2765193]
Sailor Jack attended the recent Manic Monday at BodyShop. The BodyShop girls were joined by 5-6 girls from each of the other two bars. There were some 'spotlight' dancers and some topless dancers. There were about 50 guys attending.[/QUOTE]Would someone explain to me what a 'spotlight' dancer is?? Please tell me that quality pole dancer shows have returned to AC. Or is she just a prettier than average girl doing the stoner shuffle on stage??

I should emphasise that I'm not addicted to pole dancers. That is just a vicious and slanderous rumour spread by my enemies. I'm not addicted. Really I'm not.

Enjoy. G.

Several bars (see photo) have joined together for 'T-Back Tuesdays'. It is held from 6 pm-8 pm, although all seats were full well before 6 pm. No cover charge. There were no finger foods.

Sailor Jack attended the recent T-Back Tuesday at Shooters.

The other bars all brought 3-5 spotlight dancers. There was a dance 'competition' where the spotlight dancers took turns shaking their asses to that 'give me give me' song. Sailor Jack hates that song, but SJ loves the ass twerking that it provokes.

There was a striptease thing, topless only. But some real hotties in the group.

There was a 'BJ Competition' which involved girls drinking and tongue-ing a shooter glass of alcohol and whipped cream. The girls really got into this which made it pretty good to watch.

Then there was a 'Kissing Competition' which featured pairs of girls lesbian kissing on stage. Some of the girls were way into it. The kissing progressed into deep French kissing and then simulated and real lesbian cunnilingus. Now who does not like real heartfelt lesbian cunnilingus? Sailor Jack loved this.

Oh, each guy got one raffle ticket plus a raffle ticket for each girl drink.

Look for future updates.

Photos; unrelated Sailor Jack Archives.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2765193]Three bars (BodyShop, Masquerades, LaBamba) have joined together for 'Manic Mondays' parties. See the sign.

Hours are 6 pm to 8 pm, although you need to get there earlier to get a good seat. There were no empty seats by 6 pm. No cover charge.

Sailor Jack attended the recent Manic Monday at BodyShop. The BodyShop girls were joined by 5-6 girls from each of the other two bars. There were some 'spotlight' dancers and some topless dancers. There were about 50 guys attending. A small free sandwich on a plate was brought out to each guy. It was okay, but nothing like a meal. There was a raffle with several winners. Every attendee got one raffle ticket plus one ticket for each lady drink purchased. The prizes were free drinks or food, which is kind of nice.

Sailor did not see anything that he would barfine at the going rate.

The food was free so not much was expected. Sailor Jack thinks there is no reason to give away free food. Sailor Jack thinks it might me better to grill up some decent hot dogs on buns and sell them cheap.

This was the first of the Manic Mondays, so maybe future Manic Mondays will be better. Sailor Jack plans to attend if only to support these bars that are trying hard to improve.

A special note here to the recently re-opened Masquerades (it is the old Rhapsody bar). The managers, waitresses, and girls here are trying very hard. Sailor Jack has seen a steady improvement in their business and in their girls. Please support these non-Korean bars. Stop in for a beer and buy a lady drink or two. Beers are cheap and the AirCon is good. We need them to be successful.

Unrelated SJ Archives photo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report.

I think you will find that punters that fly half way around the world at great expense for a few days fun could not care one way or another what nationality a bar is owned by they are there to look and fuck the pretiest girls available.

Unfurtunately in the new angeles city the non korean owned bars have the worst line ups by far as you have found out by not spotting one single girl you would barfine, its a catch 22 situation in that the non korean owned bars need better looking girls desperately but the better looking angeles bargirls all want to work for the biggest gogo bars which are all owned by the koreans, why, because salaries much higher, comissions on drinks much higher, much higher amount of high spending younger asians throwing money around like its going out of fashion, asians making it rain money every few minutes, what's not to like about working for the korean bars.

I too often visit western bar owner friends that I've known for multiple years for a catch up, buy a few drinks, spend a little but that's fine for us that call angeles home and have all the time in the world but for those that are visiting on a shorter fucking mission then pointless to sit around chatting and not to head straight for the bars that have the pretty girls.

As with all businesses all over the world the way to be succesful is to offer an excellent product at an attractive price something most western owned bars in angeles are either not able or are unwilling to offer, don't keep up with the competition in business then closing ones doors or selling up to the koreans is not far away.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2765264]Thanks for your report.

I think you will find that punters that fly half way around the world at great expense for a few days fun could not care one way or another what nationality a bar is owned by they are there to look and fuck the pretiest girls available....

As with all businesses all over the world the way to be succesful is to offer an excellent product at an attractive price something most western owned bars in angeles are either not able or are unwilling to offer, don't keep up with the competition in business then closing ones doors or selling up to the koreans is not far away.[/QUOTE]I have learnt the hard way that price, stunning good looks and in bar antics are not a predictor of in room performance. If anything, they are normally inversely proportional. We all have our minimum standards but that's why I actively avoid the stunners, the outrageously priced, K / CHN focus bars etc.

True but the definition of "excellent product" varies wildly between people and races. Some focus on model good looks and an impressive girl on their arm. Others will look for an affectionate GFE who performs a ticklist of activities with gusto. Still others just want to plow through as many women as humanly possible in their limited time available. Unfortunately, it's the bars that get to choose which market they target so it's no surprise that those that generate the greatest revenue are the survivors.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2765369]I have learnt the hard way that price, stunning good looks and in bar antics are not a predictor of in room performance. If anything, they are normally inversely proportional. We all have our minimum standards but that's why I actively avoid the stunners, the outrageously priced, K / CHN focus bars etc.

True but the definition of "excellent product" varies wildly between people and races. Some focus on model good looks and an impressive girl on their arm. Others will look for an affectionate GFE who performs a ticklist of activities with gusto. Still others just want to plow through as many women as humanly possible in their limited time available. Unfortunately, it's the bars that get to choose which market they target so it's no surprise that those that generate the greatest revenue are the survivors.[/QUOTE]#1 post of November 2022, encore please!!

It has been about 10 years since I visited AC. Over the last 10 years I have been enjoying Germany, Russia, and Ukraine. I lived in Ukraine for 18 months and absolutely loved it. In Ukraine I spent on average about $150-200 USD for about 3 hours of very good sex with young, thin, attractive girls. I sponsored a girl for about $1400 a month and averaged about 3 overnights with her a week--she was a perfect sponsorette.

I am now venturing back to AC for a work trip. I will be there about a week. I am curious what my impression will be. I reported a fair amount previously. I will try to report what a 55 year old white guy (who is basically a newbie) gets himself into. And I like to take pics so I will do my best to illustrate my reports.

I arrive on 10 Dec. Happy to meet up with any fellow hobbyists.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2765676]It has been about 10 years since I visited AC. Over the last 10 years I have been enjoying Germany, Russia, and Ukraine. I lived in Ukraine for 18 months and absolutely loved it. In Ukraine I spent on average about $150-200 USD for about 3 hours of very good sex with young, thin, attractive girls. I sponsored a girl for about $1400 a month and averaged about 3 overnights with her a week--she was a perfect sponsorette.

I am now venturing back to AC for a work trip. I will be there about a week. I am curious what my impression will be...[/QUOTE]There are two opinions in AC, both correct. 1/ AC is an absolute shit hole, where the prices, quality and performance of girl's have all dropped over time. 2/ AC is a place with it's own character, with girls on tap, where a great time can be had for a few days.

RTFF and you will find many posts passionately on both sides of the arguement. It really is a place where you determine how much you enjoy it.

You won't find any young, tall, hot white chicks but $200 will certainly get you a fun day.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2765679] where the prices, quality and performance of girl's have all dropped over time.[/QUOTE]I have played in dozens of different places and this is true in every single one of them. The world has moved on. We make the best of what we have available to us).

I have been to many worse shit holes than AC (at least from an infrastructure perspective) and managed to have a good time.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2765679]You won't find any young, tall, hot white chicks but $200 will certainly get you a fun day.[/QUOTE]My sponsorette was 156 cm and 43 kilos. Tall is not something I am interested in.

In any case, I like small and GFE. 10 years ago I got that pretty well in AC. Let's see how it goes)).

An accurate assessment.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2765679]There are two opinions in AC, both correct.

You won't find any young, tall, hot white chicks but $200 will certainly get you a fun day.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Suggested pre-vaxxing warmup activity. You want to pull one muscle, and no ligaments.

JL10 was a door girl at a bar on Fields near MacArthur. Good friend and wingman BigA and Sailor Jack walked right past JL10 who was standing out in front of her bar. Then Sailor Jack saw how hot JL10 was and SJ went back to chat with her. BigA was annoyed to wait for Sailor Jack and BigA told SJ he was wasting his time. BigA would later eat those words.

JL10 was a 22 year old hard core bar girl from Samar. JL10 would become a SJ regular. Sailor Jack gave JL10 an open invitation to text SJ at any time for short time or long time. The sex? JL10 is a true porn star. Fucking incredible sex every single time. Her body? Goodness sakes look at the pictures! But Sailor Jack must add that JL10 also had an unusually tight and pretty pink pookie. Oh, and JL10 really loved Sailor Jacks rather large meat missile. And JL10 gave a championship level blowjob. JL10 is a top 10 all time fuck for Sailor Jack.

JL10, like all prostitutes, is always broke no matter how much money they get. So good-hearted, charitable Sailor Jack always made himself available to help JL10 out with a peso injection whenever she needed it. Neighbor BigA was fully aware of Sailor Jack's ongoing rendezvous with JL10 and was jonesing for JL10 mightily.

One day Sailor Jack is eating chicken fingers at Kokomo's and minding my own business like always. In comes JL10 and her Australian boyfriend. They are all lovey-dovey and pawing at each other. JL10 and AusBF sit right next to Sailor Jack at the long counter overlooking Fields Avenue. AusBF is 6 foot 3 inches, 180 pounds, blue eyes, long curly blond hair, maybe 28 years old, a true to life Aus surfer dude. We never make eye contact or say a word but all Sailor Jack can think is how SJ had JL10 bent over pounding her just 8 hours earlier.

Brother mongers, here Sailor Jack wants to testify that SJ bent this one over and fucked her just as hard as is humanly possible. So sayeth Sailor Jack.

I lost track of JL10 some time ago..

JL10 once took an international phone call from her AusBF while giving Sailor Jack an AC slurpee*.

Yup, JL10 was in mid dragon drain when her phone rang. JL10 jumped up from her knees, said shhhhh-shhhh-shhhh with a finger to her very wet lips, and then answered the call from AusBF. Sailor Jack's eyes were rolling from the back of his head to the front whilst JL10 chatted with AusBF. Picture unfulfilled Sailor Jack waiting there, as patiently as possible given the situation, and SJ's tiller gradually losing bearing on the north star.

So JL10 secured her incoming peso transfer from AusBF, finished the phone call, and then got right back on her knees and finished off Sailor Jack.

*Sailor Jack actually has this on video.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2766419]JL10 once took an international phone call from her AusBF while giving Sailor Jack an AC slurpee*.

Yup, JL10 was in mid dragon drain when her phone rang. JL10 jumped up from her knees, said shhhhh-shhhh-shhhh with a finger to her very wet lips, and then answered the call from AusBF. Sailor Jack's eyes were rolling from the back of his head to the front whilst JL10 chatted with AusBF. Picture unfulfilled Sailor Jack waiting there, as patiently as possible given the situation, and SJ's tiller gradually losing bearing on the north star.

So JL10 secured her incoming peso transfer from AusBF, finished the phone call, and then got right back on her knees and finished off Sailor Jack.

*Sailor Jack actually has this on video.[/QUOTE]My favorite activity is dining on the girls puki when she is on the phone to her BF. I love it when she is trying to slow her breathing down while she is telling him she is doing nothing ATM but talking to her ATM!

Try it next time.

Nothing like being in AC.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2766419]JL10 once took an international phone call from her AusBF while giving Sailor Jack an AC slurpee*. SNIP

So JL10 secured her incoming peso transfer from AusBF, finished the phone call, and then got right back on her knees and finished off Sailor Jack.

*Sailor Jack actually has this on video.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2766421]My favorite activity is dining on the girls puki when she is on the phone to her BF. I love it when she is trying to slow her breathing down while she is telling him she is doing nothing ATM but talking to her ATM![/QUOTE]Bad. You fellas is bad.

I'd never do anything like that.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1511-Filipinas-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1596636&viewfull=1#post1596636[/URL]

Sailor Jack attempted to attend T-back Tuesday at Qbar.

Sailor Jack arrived at 530 pm to find Qbar 1/3 full, zero girls on stage, no one with a drink, no girls getting a drink, and 100% of seats marked 'reserved'.

Sailor Jack will state the obvious; there is no reason to attempt to attend.

Sailor Jack attempted to attend T-back Tuesday at Qbar.

Sailor Jack arrived at 530 pm to find Qbar 1/3 full, zero girls on stage, no one with a drink, no girls getting a drink, and 100% of empty seats marked 'reserved'.

Sailor Jack will state the obvious; there is no reason to attempt to attend.

Unrelated photo from SJ Archives.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2766453]Bad. You fellas is bad.

I'd never do anything like that.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1511-Filipinas-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1596636&viewfull=1#post1596636[/URL][/QUOTE]Years ago, we were relaxing in the room post session when girlie hit the phone answering a few calls and messages. I think it was her attempt at stirring a little drama.

"Are you jealous, G?

"Why would I be jealous? They WANT to fuck you. I AM fucking you!

I have not been to AC in years but now that I am divorced I'm heading back. Was wondering is Dave still around from Kokomos? Also what the barfines now and days. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2766419]JL10 once took an international phone call from her AusBF while giving Sailor Jack an AC slurpee*.

Yup, JL10 was in mid dragon drain when her phone rang. JL10 jumped up from her knees, said shhhhh-shhhh-shhhh with a finger to her very wet lips, and then answered the call from AusBF. Sailor Jack's eyes were rolling from the back of his head to the front whilst JL10 chatted with AusBF. Picture unfulfilled Sailor Jack waiting there, as patiently as possible given the situation, and SJ's tiller gradually losing bearing on the north star.

So JL10 secured her incoming peso transfer from AusBF, finished the phone call, and then got right back on her knees and finished off Sailor Jack.

*Sailor Jack actually has this on video.[/QUOTE]Man I've been reading your stories on the low now and got to say your stories are insightful as well as fucking hilarious 😂. Especially when you narrate your stories in 3rd person. BTW that was mighty kind of you to make sure she get her money from the simp and not blow up her spot before she went back down on her knees and finish you off proper. Theres a saying back in the states that says, "Hoes got to eat too"LOL.

Can't wait for the next episode from Sailor Jack adventures.

[QUOTE=CoolieHigh;2767023]Man I've been reading your stories on the low now and got to say your stories are insightful as well as fucking hilarious 😂. Especially when you narrate your stories in 3rd person. BTW that was mighty kind of you to make sure she get her money from the simp and not blow up her spot before she went back down on her knees and finish you off proper. Theres a saying back in the states that says, "Hoes got to eat too"LOL.

Can't wait for the next episode from Sailor Jack adventures.[/QUOTE]You're a good sport, Sailor Jack. That goes for comrades WestCoast 1, Goferring, and Coolie High as well. You're giving master Volterra added inspiration for his approaching January AC adventure. You see, master Volterra is the kind of curmudgeon who would normally get grumpy when little missy takes call from clueless Aussiebf. However, he now looks forward to listening to their every word!

Which brings to mind a chick master Volterra picked up on a drunken weeknight in HK years ago: mV started to wake her up after 9 am with his young Volterric penetrator, but she was barely past her first couple of moans when she realized that she was late for work. She stopped the foreplay in order to stand up and make a call into the office. Whilst she ad libbed a slew of creative fibs to her boss on her mobile, she bent over invitingly with her back to the Volterra meister, who proceeded to pound her flawless honkie ass to oblivion as he listened to her boss gullibly fall for the lies on the other end of the phone line.

Volterra hopes he can make SJ et al proud in January 2023!

In the meantime, junior master Volterra would buy a few rounds of beers to see that video of the grand master Sailor Jack's.

This new place is like a full spa with a hotel attached. Looks very cool and I will definitely check it out this month. I wonder what are the chances you can get a handy here.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oYq5sPo3k&t=45s[/URL]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2767607]This new place is like a full spa with a hotel attached. Looks very cool and I will definitely check it out this month. I wonder what are the chances you can get a handy here.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oYq5sPo3k&t=45s[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks bud, will definitely try when their, how far from walking street? Is it in same area? Looks fun, anyone confirmed yet if you can get a handy or not? Other services? Any information will be awesome!

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2767607]This new place is like a full spa with a hotel attached. Looks very cool and I will definitely check it out this month. I wonder what are the chances you can get a handy here.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oYq5sPo3k&t=45s[/URL][/QUOTE]Please report back on it.

FYI. Years ago that area was a little sketchy at night. Especially after midnight. Be careful.

Well its that time of the year again and angeles has officially entered high season.

I had had 2 separate barhop evenings over the last couple of weeks,1 evening with some western expat friends and 1 evening with visiting korean buiseness associates.

1st barhop night was a drizzly Friday evening with western friends, as my friends are not keen on the bigger gogo bars we hit the likes of champagne bar, monsoon bar, geckos bar, bar nana, well although its meant to be high season all bars visited had very few patrons with one bar having none until we walked in, girl numbers were roughly 10-12 girls in each bar, mixture of some older, some chubby, some plain and just 2 ok, s out of all the 4 bars,1 ok was a cherrie and the other wanted 4,000 pesos short time with no blow job offered, friend declined and went for a plain chubby who promised a better time, again girl was 4,000 baht short time plus 2 x drinks at 300 pesos = 600 pesos, girl would not have been my choice at any price but friend seemed happy enough in his choice, all in all it was a cheap night out for me, bought total of 6 drinks for myself and no lady drinks as I did not see anything worth buying one for.

2nd night was with the korean business associates, they like many koreans in angeles were younger, maybe 35 years old slim, well dressed and fairly handsome, obviously being their first trip to angeles they were keen for me to show tnem around, obviously I chose the bigger mostly korean owned bars of atlantis bar, club xs, avalon bar and club sky, I knew that if any better looking girls were to be found then there was a higher chance of finding such in these 4 bars.

Its so funny that on entering bars with koreans the girls go absolutely crazy at the sight of koreans, no such luck when I was previously out with westerners, these 4 bars have professional dance shows, great seating, lighting and a nice atmosphere, well the koreans did what koreans do best, table the best girls, buy multiple lady drinks, buy food for the girls and generally throw money around like its going out of fashion,1st bar atlantis bar I had picked up the entire tab, it was just under 15,000 pesos and we were in there about an hour, the other bars I'm sure the koreans spent way more but as they picked up the tabs I'm not sure exactly.

Did the koreans get laid, yes they did, was it by their 1st choice or even 2nd choice girls no, reason is that so many angeles better looking girls are either cherrie and drinks only girls, if the younger koreans are struggling to get the better girls to barfine then what chance have we older westerners.

In summing up, koreans are by far the girls no1 choice, if a pretty girl will actually go barfine you bet its going to be with the younger koreans, so many angeles girls can earn big money in salaries, lady drinks, guys making it rain that very few of the better looking girls will go out, just simply more and easier money to be earned by staying in the bar.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2767631]Please report back on it.

FYI. Years ago that area was a little sketchy at night. Especially after midnight. Be careful.[/QUOTE]1) Teodoro Street is safe from Fields Avenue to Venus Hotel and Spa. There are several hotels and condos that have security guards out front. Additionally, there is a trike station right in front of Venus Hotel and Spa. Nearby Narcisso Street is not safe at night (going from Fields Avenue to Kandi Tours, for instance). Venus Hotel and Spa is 400 meters from Fields Avenue.

2) Sailor Jack has eaten breakfast at Cafe Yolo several times. Cafe Yolo is not air conditioned and there were only two non-Korean choices on the menu. Sailor Jack never saw a non-Korean in this hotel other than the help. Several Koreans seemed shocked to see Sailor Jack's rather handsome white face in Cafe Yolo. This hotel is definitely designed for Koreans. Whoever made that video could not have missed that and SJ thinks it is pretty misleading not to mention that fact.

3) A Sauna? It is the Philippines! If you want a sauna just step outside! Sailor Jack will skip right to the blowjob, fuck you very much.

4) The first time Sailor Jack was in Venus Hotel and Spa SJ explained that SJ was looking for a restaurant, and skip the sauna horseshit. Anita escorted Sailor Jack to Cafe Yolo. In Anita's third sentence she was telling Sailor Jack about her fiance (now married?) possibly because Sailor Jack had drool coming out the corners of his mouth. The video does not do her justice, damn what a body!

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[QUOTE=SailorJack;2767989] Nearby Narcisso Street is not safe at night (going from Fields Avenue to Kandi Tours, for instance). [/QUOTE]Have you got new intel on Narcisco. I've been frequenting accom on that street for many years and never had issue. Actually I was gong there before the traffic lights, then the traffic lights, then they actually got turned on, then they went to flashing amber and I think last time the lights were off again. Another failed traffic measure.

I did see one foreigner get his wallet lifted from his back pocket near the money changers on the corner near the food places. He genuinely deserved it as he was loud and lazy with his personal security though.

You will get a fair amount of action in Angeles at Bargain prices.

Stay at the ABC Hotel. I little be expensive I feel you get good quality for the money.

[QUOTE=YummyPL;2765692]I have played in dozens of different places and this is true in every single one of them. The world has moved on. We make the best of what we have available to us).

I have been to many worse shit holes than AC (at least from an infrastructure perspective) and managed to have a good time.

My sponsorette was 156 cm and 43 kilos. Tall is not something I am interested in.

In any case, I like small and GFE. 10 years ago I got that pretty well in AC. Let's see how it goes)).[/QUOTE]

Street report.

It was a pleasant evening for a walk down memory lane last night.

Started with dinner at Envy with a mate.

Tried my usual haunts at Centauro, Lollipop, then Viking bar, then baccara.

Lollipop was the standout with a full stage of active, laughing and fun girls. Also a full set of seats with hungry mongers drinking and preparing to choose their night's conquest.

Centauro was less active. Less girls and maybe just 4 customers. Chatted to one spinner girl but she was just going through the paces and didn't feel the vibe.

Viking Bar actually had waitresses and dancers that were actively engaged in the business. I didn't think the quality was there but had a few drinks and enjoyd the dancers. They had a ladyboy performer / singer which came on as a break from watching filipina semi-naked bodies- I left at that point.

Walked into Baccara as I liked that the girls all seemed nicely dressed. Sat next to three young Korean guys. The entire stage was just girls staring down the Korean guys until they make a choice. They hadn't made a choice by the time I left. Didn't understand it and the girls on stage were not the type of small girls I usually see Koreans selecting.

Walked back to Lollipop to make a choice but couldn't get a seat!

Went back home, searched Wechat for an in-room massage and had a girl delivered by the time I had finished brushing my teeth. Nice girl, single mum (surprised?) from Mindanao.

Lots of choices in Angeles.

Thinking I needed a break from the past few days I took a walk to SM this morning.

Before I had even got out past the money changers on the corner there was a well dressed little girl in heels changing some USD. Being the gentleman that I am I slowed my walking pace a little and struck up some polite conversation. Yes she was having a nice day, yes, the traffic so bad etc etc. I suggested we get some breakfast at Jollibee near Maingate which she took up. Eventually I suggested that instead of sleeping in the un-aircon dorm room she could crash at my hotel room. She made some text message exchange then agreed.

I worked in my room and let her sleep until midday then I got in bed with her and help onto her. Geez these girls can sleep heavily. Eventually she wakes, more small talk and goes into sex mode.

Yes I did pay her and she was on her way to wherever.

There really are opportunities everywhere here and no need to wait until the bars open.

[QUOTE=Yuri;2768489]You will get a fair amount of action in Angeles at Bargain prices.
[/QUOTE]Well my afternoon forecast is yet another massage girl from wechart P350 for massage, P1 k total including ass. Let's see just how chubby and fuggily she is.

It really is crazy in this place. At any time just turn on Wechat or Tinder and select from who is most recently online.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2754222]There are good connections between all AC, Subic and Manila cities. It's the first & final mile that are the issue. No monger stays at Pasay, Dau or Olongapo so the trike mafia must be used. But that's the price of 300 p transport. We get what we pay for.

Want door to door? Pay for a car.[/QUOTE]The first and final mile, so to speak, is the issue for me also. That is why I advocate for the mini bus services since they pick-up and drop-off at your hotel. There is not much difference in cost when you have to pay the p200 fee for that trike from the bus terminal to the hotel (and then back again). I spent p1,350 in last mile expenses on this last trip which included a taxi ride of p500 (it was raining) from Cubao to my Makati condo.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2768767]Let's see just how chubby and fuggily she is.[/QUOTE]Ring any bells?

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2768772]The first and final mile, so to speak, is the issue for me also. That is why I advocate for the mini bus services since they pick-up and drop-off at your hotel. There is not much difference in cost when you have to pay the p200 fee for that trike from the bus terminal to the hotel (and then back again). I spent p1,350 in last mile expenses on this last trip which included a taxi ride of p500 (it was raining) from Cubao to my Makati condo.[/QUOTE]Seems to me P500 for taxi from Cubao to Makati is reasonable. Did I miss something?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2768820]Ring any bells?[/QUOTE]Mine was worse. The best I could do was pay her the massage fee and get her out of the room as soon as practically possible I can only assume that the wechat 'her' was a handler as the beast that arrived was sucking the personality out of the apartment reception and the guard she passed. Once was in my room all I could do from puking was getting her out the door with the full massage fee.

Always, always meet them outside the hotel. I was lazy and let my guard down.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2768820]Everyone takes one for the team. Confess.[/QUOTE]Self incrimination is never wise. Preplanning to avoid any evidence is much better. Remember that no witnesses + no body = no crime. Bypass other big mouthed mongers and reception staff who will delight in snitching and even exaggerate the story.

If confronted by others, remember Deny, Deny Deny and plead the 5th.

So after my massage lady debacle I took stock, check the freelancer availability index and calculated ROI on chasing them around for a few hours. Decided to try a few bars.

The relocated Angelwitch in the old Voodoo location. Seems to be doing well. Nice vibe and nice music. Kind of nice all around.

Labamba has the cheapest bar drink ad lady drink prices I have seen. The girls on stage are friendly enough but not spinners or stunners.

Masquerade was packed with beauties and lovelies. Also packed with punters. The place has a generally packed vibe.

Midnight Rodeo took in some old fashioned hits.

I didn't take a girl last night. Somewhere during all of this one of the freelancers messaged with a commitment that she'll be at my place early this morning. Let's see how that goes.

I love this place.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2768941]If confronted by others, remember Deny, Deny Deny and plead the 5th.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Or alternately: "I don't recall".

Picture back-story. First, the porker in the pic gave a lovely BJ (with the exception that she farted, twice, during her longanissa snack). Notice that I was not the one who snapped the pic. It's *possible* that there was a second heifer in the room snapping pics. I got them from a ST / BJ place on Santos: Two girls, p400 each, 4 hours at my place (back in the day).

In retrospect it might have been a better experience if the lights in the room were off. I don't recall.

That area around the front of Phillies on the main road has always been a haunt for the different class of sellers. In my early days it was cheap freelancers. Then the ladyboys migrated to there from elsewhere (I think in the area around the Star Pharmacy (since renamed).

Walking past last night it really hit rock bottom. An older lady made eye contact with me and pointed to the much too young girl in the gutter on her phone. She was offering me this girl, maybe her daughter but I think more likely her grandchld or a niece. Fun and games with consenting adults is good fun but we really don't want underage activity here.

Maybe it was even a setup for a shakedown.

Be careful out there guys.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2768954]I didn't take a girl last night. Somewhere during all of this one of the freelancers messaged with a commitment that she'll be at my place early this morning. Let's see how that goes.

I love this place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2768746]I worked in my room and let her sleep until midday then I got in bed with her and help onto her. Geez these girls can sleep heavily. Eventually she wakes, more small talk and goes into sex mode.

Yes I did pay her and she was on her way to wherever. There really are opportunities everywhere here and no need to wait until the bars open.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2768694]Street report. SNIP. Went back home, searched Wechat for an in-room massage and had a girl delivered by the time I had finished brushing my teeth. Nice girl, single mum (surprised?) from Mindanao. Lots of choices in Angeles.[/QUOTE]Shame you have to keep putting up with this stuff.

[QUOTE=SailorJack;2768486]SJ Archive photo. As mentioned before, current SJ Regular Crew members are never pictured (with one exception).[/QUOTE]That's a nice archived ass. Latina? Pina? Gringa?

Westy archived ass attached.

In reviewing my time in Ph over the past two months, I think the difference with AC is proximity and availability.

In my weeks in Cebu, there are lots of girls and sweet girls. But many of the are located in cities that are 1-2 hours away from Cebu City. Contacting them same day and getting a meet is unlikely. Plus the ubiquitous transport money request.

In AC there are probably the same number of available girls but they are in Balibago, Dau, Diamond all a minimum Grab fare away or trike. Plus it almost feels like there are rosters of girls that hit the sites at various times.

5:30-7 am At home moms whom can go out now or later.

7-12 Naughty 20-29 years olds.

12-4 Bar girls looking for a short time before work.

5-9 Serious freelancers that slept all day and looking tonight's gig.

9-2 Pimped performers.

Thursday nights Out of towners looking for some certainty before they catch a van to won on Friday afternoon.

This is full of generalisations.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2769082] Plus it almost feels like there are rosters of girls that hit the sites at various times.

5:30-7 am At home moms whom can go out now or later.

7-12 Naughty 20-29 years olds.

12-4 Bar girls looking for a short time before work.

5-9 Serious freelancers that slept all day and looking tonight's gig.

9-2 Pimped performers.

Thursday nights Out of towners looking for some certainty before they catch a van to won on Friday afternoon.

This is full of generalisations.[/QUOTE]Plus falling into sync with their preferred customers' time zone.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2768820]Ring any bells?[/QUOTE]With a BB slurpy all you have to do is close your eyes and imagine she's Celeste Cortesi.

I ended up with 2 out of 3 girls going with me, the 3rd one found a boyfriend and she thought that that's the one. I have no problem with that, actually I'm glad when any of them find the long awaited rescuer that's going to give them a better life.

So, I wasted 100 $ for the airplane ticket, but anyway I was starting to think about the people at the hotel in boracay seeing me in and out the room with 3 sexy chicks, and worrying about them thinking that I'm some sort of pimp.

The left behind chick, upon return cried because none of her expectations became reality, and she lost the chance to visit boracay for free.

Boracay was really enjoyable with 2 chicks in tow, compared to last time when I was alone: great weather, good food, nice bars, talented musicians, and as usual. Lots of koreans, few white couples, and some groups of white dudes, looking with hungry eyes at my girls, which were approached and proposed every time they went to the bathroom, or walked by themselves at some distance in front of me. Is not cheap but worth visiting once in a while, in my opinion way better than cancun or Florida.

Everything went as planned: sex, beach, eat, rest, dance (watch them dance, because I know it will look ridiculous seeing an old fart doing the macarena with his "daughters".

As some of you predicted, the phones transformed them at any given chance when sitting, into brainless zombies starring at the little screen, with no awareness of the surroundings, or me talking to them, but I found an elegant solution, since I didn't want to take their phones away (because it appeared to me that taking selfies every few minutes, generated extreme happiness): I was taking a pic of them looking in the little screens, and send it to them with some funny caption, like "Hello, anybody in there? It seems that if the message comes from the magic screen, and not directly in to the ear it works instantly.

None of the pre-pandemic big dance clubs survived, only one named epic, which may be new, with no dance area. Hundreds of people just sitting and starring at the dj playing computer generated noise, my 2 girls were the only ones dancing in the only space available, next to our table, but only now and then when the noises resembled some reminiscence of a known song.

The bands playing in the restaurants were great, but you have to get in early, because it was crowded, and no empty tables left after they start playing.

After the return to angeles we went back to my hotel, and before the girls went home to do laundry and stuff, I put the leftover money I had from boracay, about 45 k on the table and told them to take what they want. Each took 5 k, and asked if it was ok, impressive.

They stayed with me for the next 10 days before I returned to the USA And never asked for any more money, on my own I gave each 20 k, because I know they were not working while staying with me, and have bills to pay, they even came with me to the airport to say goodbye.

I don't want to keep in touch, because it serves no purpose if I'm not returning soon, but maybe I will send them 5 k each for Christmas, because I think they earned it.

I find it a task to write anything long and I am trying to jot down my experience here while the memory is still fresh for future reference.

Tue: Departed Makati for AC after spending a long weekend there. Had a private chauffeur to bring us there at 4000 pesos. Divided by three of us in the group, it's a no brainer. Checked into ABC two bedroom aqua suite, while my second buddy occupied another aqua suite bedroom. ABC is the place to be if one is not on a budget. Pool party bar club with DJ etc of the 7th floor with 24 hours room service. The room has bathtub where you can just bang girls if one so desire. Bar fined a girl that night, nothing memorable, girl was small and petite and I was worried that I might break her at anytime.

Wed: Catch on on my sleep. Jetleg was still lingering. Just chill out at the aqua club, work out in their gym, had full body massages, pedicure and watching all these soccer games.

Thu: Bar fined a girl from Dragon as she did not look like the average pinays. Turned out she had some Spanish blood. Both my buddies had been very busy since arriving AC. One of them has been a veteran there and he knows many girls while the other one was his first time and he was enthralled by the experience. I, on the other hand, was not as excited this time. I think my taste has always been geared more towards the latinas and the Indonesian varieties. That night, each of my buddies have bar-fined at least two to three girls and we had ourselves a wild party at the aqua club in the same ABC hotel. My girl for that night was very affectionate and attentive and had no qualms with showing her affections with kisses etc in the public at the party.

Fri: Catching up on the hangover from the previous night. Just chilled out in the hotel and by the aqua club. Spent some time with my buddies bar hopping. Not really my thing, but there is really nothing much to do at AC.

Sat: Tried to contact my Thursday girl on WhatsApp. No reply. Apparently she was bar-fined and was away for a few days at Cebu. No big deal, followed my buddies bar hopping again. My buddies had already bar-finned their girls. They just enjoyed hopping from one bar to the next while bring their girls, note: girls as in plural for each one of them. Now, we ended up in XS. XS was at least not as boring as they had at least some decent dance shows, with the intermittent parading of their girls who can be bar-fined. Sat next to a "Tequila" girl whom I originally thought to be the mamasan. She laughed when I told her that, but anyway I enjoyed having the conversation with her. She explained to me how the whole setup. Dancing girls can be bar-fined but they will only accompany your for drinks, no sex. For girls that can be bar-fines, rates are set at 4000 pesos for short term and 5000 pesos for long. The girl gets half of that. Anyway, she tried to get me to bar-fine her friend on stage, which I finally did. Anyway, I ended up bar-fining the "tequila" girl too so that we can have a bigger group and watch the world cup game played by the US team, and a threesome with both of them after that.

Here's the kicker: After the first goal against the US team, I had this sinking feeling that they would lose the game. At that point, I told the girls to get the water running in the Jacuzzi in my bedroom. If the US team cannot score that night, at least I would have the satisfaction of scoring myself tonight with these two girls. As I said earlier, the ABC room is built to rest, chill and host an orgy. Now what I learned at that point as we fooled around with one another, the tequila's friend is actually a bisexual. I have always had a thing for bisexual girls in a threesome, since the whole thing is so much more interactive instead of having two girls taking turn on me. Anyway, that Tequila girl was surprised to learn that her friend was a bi. I was able to cajole the Tequila girl to give it a try. Of course, the other bisexual girl needed no cajoling. In the end, that girl commented that she never thought she actually liked it came at least 3 times that night by let's say doing things differently. LOL.

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2769464]I ended up with 2 out of 3 girls going with me, the 3rd one found a boyfriend and she thought that that's the one. I have no problem with that, actually I'm glad when any of them find the long awaited rescuer that's going to give them a better life.

So, I wasted 100 $ for the airplane ticket, but anyway I was starting to think about the people at the hotel in boracay seeing me in and out the room with 3 sexy chicks, and worrying about them thinking that I'm some sort of pimp.

The left behind chick, upon return cried because none of her expectations became reality, and she lost the chance to visit boracay for free.

Boracay was really enjoyable with 2 chicks in tow, compared to last time when I was alone: great weather, good food, nice bars, talented musicians, and as usual. Lots of koreans, few white couples, and some groups of white dudes, looking with hungry eyes at my girls, which were approached and proposed every time they went to the bathroom, or walked by themselves at some distance in front of me. Is not cheap but worth visiting once in a while, in my opinion way better than cancun or Florida.

Everything went as planned: sex, beach, eat, rest, dance (watch them dance, because I know it will look ridiculous seeing an old fart doing the macarena with his "daughters".

As some of you predicted, the phones transformed them at any given chance when sitting, into brainless zombies starring at the little screen, with no awareness of the surroundings, or me talking to them, but I found an elegant solution, since I didn't want to take their phones away (because it appeared to me that taking selfies every few minutes, generated extreme happiness): I was taking a pic of them looking in the little screens, and send it to them with some funny caption, like "Hello, anybody in there? It seems that if the message comes from the magic screen, and not directly in to the ear it works instantly.

None of the pre-pandemic big dance clubs survived, only one named epic, which may be new, with no dance area. Hundreds of people just sitting and starring at the dj playing computer generated noise, my 2 girls were the only ones dancing in the only space available, next to our table, but only now and then when the noises resembled some reminiscence of a known song.

The bands playing in the restaurants were great, but you have to get in early, because it was crowded, and no empty tables left after they start playing.

After the return to angeles we went back to my hotel, and before the girls went home to do laundry and stuff, I put the leftover money I had from boracay, about 45 k on the table and told them to take what they want. Each took 5 k, and asked if it was ok, impressive.

They stayed with me for the next 10 days before I returned to the USA And never asked for any more money, on my own I gave each 20 k, because I know they were not working while staying with me, and have bills to pay, they even came with me to the airport to say goodbye.

I don't want to keep in touch, because it serves no purpose if I'm not returning soon, but maybe I will send them 5 k each for Christmas, because I think they earned it.[/QUOTE]Very nice report. Glad you had a great time there.

I am wondering if you can name the hotel you stayed at? Some hotels limit two to a room.

Also what spots had good live 60's - 70's music?

Thanks for the info and taking care of the girls.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]You are asking someone else to waste his time doing something for you, so that you don't have to waste your time? Are you offering some compensation?

Just look for the white vans. That is how the Korean's go barhopping. They travel in packs. Speaking of packs. They also wear the man-purse on thier fronts. Even me being a fat western guy. I have never been turned down to enter a AC bar. Was offered free seaweed from a guy once. Just use common sense. If you see Asian writing at the front door and entrance along with RGB lights glowing inside to Techo rapid KPop Music- it might be a Korean bar.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]I would gladly make the list for you if I could only read and write Korean.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2769704]You are asking someone else to waste his time doing something for you, so that you don't have to waste your time? Are you offering some compensation?[/QUOTE]As a SENIOR Member, I've posted long detailed trip reports on ISG for every trip I've taken. My contributions to other members. (See Indonesia in 2014). I'm not being lazy, I have no way to access that information so I think a call for help from those with boots on the ground isn't out of order. It would likely help many members of this Board. Not just me. Thanks, Bob.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]You will know. The bar will have a korean owner, the bar will be full of koreans and probably even have korean signage.

No need for a list. Just enjoy.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2769730]You will know. The bar will have a korean owner, the bar will be full of koreans and probably even have korean signage.

No need for a list. Just enjoy.[/QUOTE]Or maybe just do the reverse, walk in and if you see old white guys drinking beer by the bottle with young pinays by the side, it's a sure sign it's a non-Korean bar. Easy to spot too since these bars are always without crowds.

Many of the Korean operated bars that I had noticed had Korean employees who oversee the operations in there, which I assume the Koreans had provided cash infusion and invested to keep these bars afloat after the area reopened. Without these investments, I am pretty sure the walking street will be much quieter and in a worse shape.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]Even fat, old white blokes will get dragged into the Korean bars by the Pinay GRO out the front. You don't need to worry. Sure you can bar fine the unwanted chicks which are left over, once the Koreans have packed up and left with all the hotties.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]As a westerner I have always been welcomed in all korean bars, once your face is known to the korean owners / managers will always offer a warm handshake and a 1st welcome drink on the house, so don't worry too much about being welcomed.

The korean bars tend to be much larger, much better decorated with profesional dance teams, they employ multiple girl, mostly slim, taller, lighter skin and fairly attractive, the best girls by far work in the korean owned bars and as such many girls are popular for lady drinks and earn large by staying in the bar.

The western owned bars are quite easy to tell, they tend to be much smaller, much older looking and employ small numbers of mostly chubby, older, plain girls, wester bars tend to have much older mainly western ex pat patrons, the girls tend to be more playful but low in quality.

Have a nice trip and please report your findings.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2769606]Very nice report. Glad you had a great time there.

I am wondering if you can name the hotel you stayed at? Some hotels limit two to a room.

Also what spots had good live 60's - 70's music?

Thanks for the info and taking care of the girls.[/QUOTE]We stayed at the Villa Caemilla Beach Boutique Hotel where I got tha premiere deluxe room, which is very large, has a king bed and a sitting area with a couch. They offered to bring in a second bed if needed. No use for that.

Price was about $90/ night and compared to other hotels, not much walking in the sand to get to it from where the ev drops you, and is right on the beach and the rooms look new. Not to be confused with casa caemilla.

The restaurant that had the most incredible rock band I've seen in philippines is named "Nigi Nigi Nu Noos" or something like that.

Hi guys, I will be coming up to AC in a few days for a few days. Although I have two regulars I see there I would like to find a third. If you have seen any slim and busty (at least Cee Cup) in the clubs or kindly sound off particularly if you have sampled her wares and were happy with that. Thanks, fellas.

Hey gents,

I will be visiting AC in January and was curious if anyone could recommend something that is closest to Pattaya's soi 6? Basically anywhere with a lot of girls on tap which you can take upstairs for a quickie. I'the prefer to not run back to my hotel if any of the bars have a bed upstairs.

Cheers,

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2771108]Hey gents,

I will be visiting AC in January and was curious if anyone could recommend something that is closest to Pattaya's soi 6? Basically anywhere with a lot of girls on tap which you can take upstairs for a quickie. I'the prefer to not run back to my hotel if any of the bars have a bed upstairs.

Cheers,[/QUOTE]Don't compare AC with Pattaya. A few Perimeter and Raymond St bars have onsite rooms but they are dirty, small and don't even have running water. AC is compact. Everything is a few hundred meters around Walking Street. Get a convenient hotel and take the girl back for a much more relaxed session to your hotel.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2771110]Don't compare AC with Pattaya. A few Perimeter and Raymond St bars have onsite rooms but they are dirty, small and don't even have running water. AC is compact. Everything is a few hundred meters around Walking Street. Get a convenient hotel and take the girl back for a much more relaxed session to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Wasn't so much comparing the two places, but rather found the reference to soi 6 to best summarize what I was looking for. I know Pattaya well, but AC less so (I've only been a dozen times, and not in the last 5 years).

Dirty and small bars, I'm actually OK with that. It conveniently matches the kind of women I like.

[QUOTE=DCups;2769814]Hi guys, I will be coming up to AC in a few days for a few days. Although I have two regulars I see there I would like to find a third. If you have seen any slim and busty (at least Cee Cup) in the clubs or kindly sound off particularly if you have sampled her wares and were happy with that. Thanks, fellas.[/QUOTE]I will send you a PM for a girl that meets this build.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2771162]I will send you a PM for a girl that meets this build.[/QUOTE]Thanks, man. I am back home in Duma now. Six chicks in three days and I am balls empty. Including the one from the old Voodoo. Much obliged.

[QUOTE=DCups;2772062]Thanks, man. I am back home in Duma now. Six chicks in three days and I am balls empty. Including the one from the old Voodoo. Much obliged.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed my recommendation. She has been working that bar location since at least 2013 and knows her way around a monger's cock that's for sure.

Sounds like you scored high on the creampie / day index also.

Well its a few days before Christmas and in to peak season so how are the bars doing?

After a couple of barhops over the last few days it seems that most of the favourite western owned walking st bars are really struggling to attract both punters and girls numbers, many bars having no customers at all, most busy bar among western bars was lollipop bar, this bar tends to get a few regular expats in, the girls tend to be hands on which they like but the girl quality is low.

On to Atlantis bar, I was the only non Korean in there, girl numbers were well down on last visit as many of the better looking girls have headed to their home province for Christmas and new year with their kids and family, the story was much the same in all the other big walking st gogo bars.

Street freelancers, where once there was quite a big scene of street girls they seem to be in small numbers now replaced by multiple tall butch men in dresses, if one likes such then plenty to be found on all st corners leading up to walking st, for those that can't tell or don't like such then ask 1st before being shocked back at the room.

In summing up, the town is very quiet, its mostly younger Korean punters, they outnumber westerners many times, girls numbers down, drinks only girls in many bars, its not easy to get laid as a westerner if one has standards.

What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months?

Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments?

I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2772941]What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months? Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments? I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.[/QUOTE]They are usually exactly that. What are your requirements for quality when you refer to 'best options'? Do you have examples of similar hotels elsewhere?

Hotels in Phils are of worse quality for the same amount of money than those of Thailand.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2769597]I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't write off all Korean bars. Barnana is one of those bars imo. There is a momasan in that joint named Addy who seems to have a vested interested in getting Barnana girls barfined, and there is some cuties in that bar. Check out her ad in FB. Buy her a couple of drinks and she'll text you when this one that one is there and available.

Interesting ad. So she's hiring fat girls, but only if they're pretty LOL. Have to check that one. Nice touch mentioning the Korean customers' money rains as a perk BTW.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2772968]I wouldn't write off all Korean bars. Barnana is one of those bars imo. There is a momasan in that joint named Addy who seems to have a vested interested in getting Barnana girls barfined, and there is some cuties in that bar. Check out her ad in FB. Buy her a couple of drinks and she'll text you when this one that one is there and available.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2772948]They are usually exactly that. What are your requirements for quality when you refer to 'best options'? Do you have examples of similar hotels elsewhere?

Hotels in Phils are of worse quality for the same amount of money than those of Thailand.[/QUOTE]2 weeks ago I checked about 25 hotels, everything that's within walking distance to fields ave, I was lightly drunk, at the time seemed that I will remember everything, but right now is all a big blank.

I remember the walk around hotel as being ok, venus, kandi, and the rest is just a fuzzy memory. Venus and kandi seems too expensive for long term. At walk around I saw the poolside room only, which is cheaper than the other 2, but still $1000/ mo. I would imagine there are other cheaper, clean places. $1000/ mo seems a bit excessive for philippines, around $500/ mo is what I'm looking for.

I booked a room at a hotel named modern suites for 1 night for $20, just to check it out, but it was a hoax, the hotel doesn't exist, there is a construction site there.

It doesn't have to be a hotel, but just wandering aimlessly on the streets, that's all there is to see. A place with a separate bedroom would be nice, where should I look for it?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2772941]What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months?

Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments?

I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.[/QUOTE]Hint. Cheap hotels everywhere in the world are pretty gross. Per western standards.

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2773081]I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?[/QUOTE]$1500 and $5000 US Dollars per month? Or alternately, p1500 and p5000 per night? Prices for accommodations (hotels)? Prices for bar-fines? Street Walkers?

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2773081]I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.[/QUOTE]All history and not pertinent to today. When I first started working a hot lunch in a cafe costed $1. 35. Of course I made $1. 65 per hour. Gasoline was. 28 a gallon. Bread was 4 loafs for $1. 00. All have nothing to do with today.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2773072]
It doesn't have to be a hotel, but just wandering aimlessly on the streets, that's all there is to see. A place with a separate bedroom would be nice, where should I look for it?[/QUOTE]Set up an AirBnb account and book any of these places. I would place little emphasis on being too close to Walking St. If you want to stretch you money further, when you get further away from Walking St everything is cheaper including the girl's payment / tip expectations.

AirBNB places which you might consider for USd20/ night.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1849242?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-01&check_out=2023-01-06&source_impression_id=p3_1671750954_IkEdqkMQgYsqaGnz&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/590391384621985255?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-01&check_out=2023-01-06&source_impression_id=p3_1671750971_r01KNHdFxQ2D6%2BAv&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/660723014186236385?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-05&check_out=2023-01-10&source_impression_id=p3_1671750974_lzufm00rTnmt9OZL&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE[/URL]

I have stayed at Hotel Rumi a few times. There are other hotels / apartments in around this area. Handy to Perimeter bars. Exceeds your budget expectation also.

[URL]https://rumihotelangeles.com/rooms.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2773081]I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.[/QUOTE]If you are talking of pesos then its been multiple years since angeles bargirls were 1,500 pesos.

Leading up to covid most bar girls were 3/4000 p short time.

Now days any girl that is younger, slimmer and ok looking will demand 5,000 p short time, that's if you can get any of the want to be princesses to barfine at all as many want to stay in the bar and earn easy and large from salaries, lady drinks, tips, making it rain.

Not all girls are going home for the holidays.

Got a message from a girl today asking for transport money to go home to Manila for New Years. I asked her how much just to ask? 10 k she replied! LOL. I had bfined her a couple times for 3. 5 k. Last request was for 5 k.

I guess they can't go home emptied handed. She won't be going home from me.

In the beginning I thought she was asking for bus money!

The internet has wreaked havoc on the locals. Lots of girls are getting money sent to them on a regular basis. Yes there is still plenty of fun to be had but if a girl can make 2 K from her share of a barfine or go cry to her internet prince and make 1500 without taking her clothes off we all know what her choice will be. Thank Zuckerberg, he has contributed substantially to the demise of mongering. Meet a guy online, make him believe he is the only one she is talking to and hustle him. Every 3rd business has a Western Union. Do the math.

Trust me I live here, I know several girls that have many online princes and most of them have no desire to change anything in their life, they still hustle and can manipulate their online princes to feel sorry for them and send another present.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2774159]The internet has wreaked havoc on the locals. Lots of girls are getting money sent to them on a regular basis. Yes there is still plenty of fun to be had but if a girl can make 2 K from her share of a barfine or go cry to her internet prince and make 1500 without taking her clothes off we all know what her choice will be..[/QUOTE]True but many girls also run both systems in parallel, accepting fucking punters in town while also promising faithfulness to online sponsors.

Most of us have had sessions interrupted by calls from sponsors or even had to leave a girl's room in time to receive a nightly video call.

I'd agree that the bars are a failing business model as online offers better returns without the embarrassing labels of being an employed hooker. Over the years I've met several girls where being in a bar no longer made sense and often actually cost them money.

Enjoy. G.

I really don't care about the girls BF's or sponsors.

Or what they make or don't make.

Or anything else.

As long as there are girls available is my only concern. True mongering concerns. Availability, quality and cost.

NYE is coming up and I expect to have a very nice time in AC rotating between some nice hot and wet pussies. If anyone can help with my experience please post it.

My apologies for the interruption. Back to:
Inflation is dickdeflation to me.
Sponsors fucked up my gf relationships.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2774528]I really don't care about the girls BF's or sponsors.

Or what they make or don't make.

Or anything else.

As long as there are girls available is my only concern. True mongering concerns. Availability, quality and cost.

NYE is coming up and I expect to have a very nice time in AC rotating between some nice hot and wet pussies. If anyone can help with my experience please post it.

My apologies for the interruption. Back to:
Inflation is dickdeflation to me.
Sponsors fucked up my gf relationships.[/QUOTE]The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2774532]The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]With all respect.

In my experiences neither of those have ever affected me in pulling a girl within my standards. If anything there were less mongers scared away by such hearsay resulting in a better ratio for me.

I rely on girls from bars and then the word of mouth referrals from the girls.

I only wish I was back in my 30's when I could do 6-8 girls a day!

To each their own.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2774532]The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Nail on head.

All that you describe about the better looking girls who have the earning power to do so have departed to home province, most girls due back middle of January, this is not a now thing it has been that way for many years.

Obviously those that only need the girl to have a pulse to be fuckable will obviously find bed partners at any time of year.

Was noticing lately that of the many walking st bars that have either changed hands, having renovations done or change of use into bars are all korean owners / money.

The koreans are for sure the majority of both punters and bar investors, its staggering the speed of change to be honest.

Nothing against the korean owned bars, I find them to be well run, clean, professional, welcoming and employ by far the better girls, yes easy to spend large in these bars and not so easy to get laid as they are designed exactly for that purpose but at least one gets to see the better looking girls angeles has to offer, so no complaints from me.

[QUOTE=BigthDikth;2773081]I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.[/QUOTE]I've been going g to AC for about 10 years and I can't remember bar fine being as low as 1500. Around 2500 to 3000 before the pandemic (I was there Feb 2020). I was there just in November 2022 and they are asking 5000 but at least that's LT. Personally I prefer freelancers, and there are many touting for your custom, girls and non girls, some quite convincing so you have to be careful, but the choice is great and doing 2 or 3 a day I never paid more than 3000. One of those stayed 22 hours and came back for a second overnight. There is a great variety starting around midday, for me it's better choice than bar girls and much better value. I went to one of 3 "bars" in Mt Mayon Ext, near Boomerang hotel, you can get a cheap deal there on or off the premises and when I asked for a younger girl they brought one in for me, a cheap and interesting "low life" experience with girls who can't wait to play with your bits. I always have a visit and at least a couple of beers in one of these, I imagine AC was more like that in years gone by. So don't be put off by the high bar fines, still lots of fun to be had. And yes I do understand the risks with freelancers.

I'm planning to go back to AC at the end of February. For the first time in about 4 years. When I was last there, I noticed the trend that the tiniest spinners (under 20 years old and 40 kg) weren't in the bars, they were on the dating apps. So, I've been thinking of supplementing my bar searches with some dating apps for morning / afternoon girls. I'm already on SA. Which I've used to successfully bang lots of Colombianas through the pandemic. But it doesn't have many AC girls. I'm also trying pinalove. But the app has some real problems with geography and the number of AC girls is miniscule compared to the Cebu or province girls. That leads to my two questions:

1. Is there a preferred app to find more AC girls?

2. Within Pinalove, do the girls in AC list their home as Samar or Leyte instead? If so, I assume I should just press on and see if I can book dates with those girls.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2774731]I'm planning to go back to AC at the end of February. For the first time in about 4 years. When I was last there, I noticed the trend that the tiniest spinners (under 20 years old and 40 kg) weren't in the bars, they were on the dating apps. So, I've been thinking of supplementing my bar searches with some dating apps for morning / afternoon girls. I'm already on SA. Which I've used to successfully bang lots of Colombianas through the pandemic. But it doesn't have many AC girls. I'm also trying pinalove. But the app has some real problems with geography and the number of AC girls is miniscule compared to the Cebu or province girls. That leads to my two questions:

1. Is there a preferred app to find more AC girls?

2. Within Pinalove, do the girls in AC list their home as Samar or Leyte instead? If so, I assume I should just press on and see if I can book dates with those girls.[/QUOTE]1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove. If you want to bring tea to China, Seeking has some hot and professional girls but you wil be importing them from Manila.

2. PL can only be searched by province, not city. Angeles is in Pampanga. AC girls mostly list thier location as Pampanga, regardless of where they are originally from. Cupid allows searching by both province, city and distance. Note that a 50 km radius around Angeles includes Subic and these girls are unlikely to travel to AC as they know the level of competition when they do arrive.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2774592]Was noticing lately that of the many walking st bars that have either changed hands, having renovations done or change of use into bars are all korean owners / money.

The koreans are for sure the majority of both punters and bar investors, its staggering the speed of change to be honest.

Nothing against the korean owned bars, I find them to be well run, clean, professional, welcoming and employ by far the better girls, yes easy to spend large in these bars and not so easy to get laid as they are designed exactly for that purpose but at least one gets to see the better looking girls angeles has to offer, so no complaints from me.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Thanks to everyone for sharing. I booked a trip in May and cancelled the last minute (went to LOS instead) without any penalties even though my hotel was non-refundable, due to the horrible and decreasing quality I have been reading about. This time, I am scheduled to land next week and I am about to cancel again. $25 cancellation fee. Lack of penalties makes a person less decisive. I am two clicks away from switching to Jakarta. For me to spend 5/6000 USD (2 weeks) only to find myself with oldies or pale girls is too much to spend. All I am hearing about is Korean bars catering to Korean clientele and I get the short end of the stick. I do have a thing for Filipinas but I am not willing to waste money over some average lookers. While Jakarta has a different system than AC, at least you get to bang some 8's and 9's which are almost non-existent in AC. Maybe a few here and there but they end up with the Koreans most of the time. What is making this even less attractive is this madness about 5000 pesos and you are neither guaranteed a great experience nor a full nighter. Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2774736]1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove. If you want to bring tea to China, Seeking has some hot and professional girls but you wil be importing them from Manila.
.[/QUOTE]Great stuff here. Thanks. How do you get started with IG? Do you find a hot chick in AC then go to her followers and see who else they follow?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2774747]Great stuff here. Thanks. How do you get started with IG? Do you find a hot chick in AC then go to her followers and see who else they follow?[/QUOTE]It takes some work. Start with the something_pinay hashtags then find girls that are in Angeles. Note the PH preference for big buxom girls, not the spinners you mentioned. Also, IG girls are fawned upon by simps who essentially send them money for nothing so expect eye watering prices and an extremely entitled attitude. Very few live permanently in AC so only start when you can act immediately.

You can also search for girls in the popular AC hangouts eg #AquaBeachClub.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2554881]Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2774723]I've been going g to AC for about 10 years and I can't remember bar fine being as low as 1500. Around 2500 to 3000 before the pandemic (I was there Feb 2020). I was there just in November 2022 and they are asking 5000 but at least that's LT. Personally I prefer freelancers, and there are many touting for your custom, girls and non girls, some quite convincing so you have to be careful, but the choice is great and doing 2 or 3 a day I never paid more than 3000. One of those stayed 22 hours and came back for a second overnight. There is a great variety starting around midday, for me it's better choice than bar girls and much better value. I went to one of 3 "bars" in Mt Mayon Ext, near Boomerang hotel, you can get a cheap deal there on or off the premises and when I asked for a younger girl they brought one in for me, a cheap and interesting "low life" experience with girls who can't wait to play with your bits. I always have a visit and at least a couple of beers in one of these, I imagine AC was more like that in years gone by. So don't be put off by the high bar fines, still lots of fun to be had. And yes I do understand the risks with freelancers.[/QUOTE]10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2774829]10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.[/QUOTE]Looks like pussy is a fluctuating commodity, just like pork bellies. LOL.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2774746]AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.[/QUOTE]Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2774834]Looks like pussy is a fluctuating commodity, just like pork bellies. LOL.[/QUOTE]Fluctuating warm pussy is better than cold pork bellies. That's where my investment dollar $ are going to.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2774746]Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.[/QUOTE]While you are 100% correct, AC isn't the only place to get laid in PH. $6000 plus $30/ day would pay for a very nice beach holiday and endless procession of provincial honeys.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2774746] Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.[/QUOTE]Good luck finding an 8 or 9 in Jakarta for $30 USD.

In 2019, I paid 700,000 ($45) each for 2 skanks from Blok M.

If you have some secret stash of women, please share as I am landing there on March 15.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

Can someone there confirm covid vax entry / exit requirements presently. It looks like they want full vax proof of booster shot for domestic flights and to leave Indonesia.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2774746]Spot on. Thanks to everyone for sharing. I booked a trip in May and cancelled the last minute (went to LOS instead) without any penalties even though my hotel was non-refundable, due to the horrible and decreasing quality I have been reading about. This time, I am scheduled to land next week and I am about to cancel again. $25 cancellation fee. Lack of penalties makes a person less decisive. I am two clicks away from switching to Jakarta. For me to spend 5/6000 USD (2 weeks) only to find myself with oldies or pale girls is too much to spend. All I am hearing about is Korean bars catering to Korean clientele and I get the short end of the stick. I do have a thing for Filipinas but I am not willing to waste money over some average lookers. While Jakarta has a different system than AC, at least you get to bang some 8's and 9's which are almost non-existent in AC. Maybe a few here and there but they end up with the Koreans most of the time. What is making this even less attractive is this madness about 5000 pesos and you are neither guaranteed a great experience nor a full nighter. Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.[/QUOTE]Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices). Also the gents on the Jakarta thread talk about going to Classic / Orchardz (or similar) fishbowls, as opposed to AC's fleshpot system of surrounding you with PYT's. The Jakarta fishbowls are described as not being able to see the girls first (you can see tiktok videos). Me-thinks the comparison is not fair. I miss Top Gun.

However I feel for NE's pain. The post-covid AC system is much as NE describes it. Having visited AC a few months ago, I see little reason to go back. I am surrounded by flesh in Phils wherever I go.

[QUOTE=Pwrmnd;2774490]My experience at Orchardz was a bit different. As noted, the entrance is behind the restaurant and you have to use the elevator on the right to go to the third floor. They gave me a wrist band and I went to the lounge. There were at least 10 other guys hanging out. Not sure what they were doing as nobody was drinking. Maybe waiting for a friend to finish?

However, instead of three price ranges, [b]she quoted just one price - 880 k.[/b] I said that my friend paid 650 k and she denied it. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobeTrots;2773315][b]I've paid 2 M for an early 20's local to my hotel. Usually happy to stay from 2 h to overnight as I am usually at a fairly nice hotel.[/b] Overall seeking gives a more "amateur" feeling vs Tinder which is almost always an agent with high probability of bait and switch, though can be from 0. 8 to 1 m only.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2769999]I got the mamasan to send me all her girls videos to my WhatsApp. One of the girl caught my attention and I ended up booking her. There are three different tiers to the girls. The Gold, The Pink and The Model [b]priced at 450 K, 650 K and 1 Million respectively.[/b] The girl that I selected was in the Pink group.[/QUOTE]Attached pic: Some Indo-honey for ya's.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2774829]10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.[/QUOTE]In other words, USD exchange rate has benefitted us by 25%, while costs in AC have gone up by 300%. Add to that other issues such as lower quality and devaluation from LT to ST. I have traveled Asiawide for years and saw the same evolution in Thailand about 15 - 20 years ago. One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining the market.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2774861]Good luck finding an 8 or 9 in Jakarta for $30 USD...

Cheers, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2774868]Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices)..[/QUOTE]450 kRps sessions are available all over Kota Jakarta. It's even the standard price at the X houses in tourist-ville Bali. I'd agree calling the girls a 9 is stretching it but it's not difficult to find a petite spinner vs the AC Jollie bellies. The downsides are zero English and pretty seedy facilities. To get the foreigner friendly choices you are heading towards 1 M /$65. A 5 star hotel girl or Seeking will be multiples of this. Blok M was dead years ago.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2774870] One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining …. The experience..[/QUOTE]Thailand especially was changed by Disneyland tourists.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2774868]Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices). Also the gents on the Jakarta thread talk about going to Classic / Orchardz (or similar) fishbowls, as opposed to AC's fleshpot system of surrounding you with PYT's. The Jakarta fishbowls are described as not being able to see the girls first (you can see tiktok videos). Me-thinks the comparison is not fair. I miss Top Gun.

However I feel for NE's pain. The post-covid AC system is much as NE describes it. Having visited AC a few months ago, I see little reason to go back. I am surrounded by flesh in Phils wherever I go.

Attached pic: Some Indo-honey for ya's.[/QUOTE]Westie,

Sanur X house brothels are 400 k for ST with a pretty girl. Room is shit.

Dating app girl is about 2 million for overnight stay. Super hot girls will be 4-5 million per night. Plenty of these girls will also be a travel companion for the same daily fee plus expenses.

High class massage parlours with all in service are 1. 2 - 1. 5 million with a pretty girl.

Standard massage with no extras is 100 k at a legit place.

Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2774736]1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove.[/QUOTE]I want to spend time in the provinces for several months. I have never done any online hunting. You have a decreasing order of high number of province girls to few?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2775094]I want to spend time in the provinces for several months. I have never done any online hunting. You have a decreasing order of high number of province girls to few?[/QUOTE]Purely in terms of numbers in the provinces it's FB, Cupid, PinaLove, DIA, Tinder, maybe some IG and Seeking too but they will be a lot of work to find appropriate girls.

[QUOTE=Asmoth;2774985]Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]It would be great to read a report of your trip to balance the discussion.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2774942]

Dating app girl is about 2 million for overnight stay. Super hot girls will be 4-5 million per night. Plenty of these girls will also be a travel companion for the same daily fee plus expenses.

.[/QUOTE]Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.

Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.

[QUOTE=Asmoth;2774985]Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Excellent first report. Contains more info than most posts.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2774870]In other words, USD exchange rate has benefitted us by 25%, while costs in AC have gone up by 300%. Add to that other issues such as lower quality and devaluation from LT to ST. I have traveled Asiawide for years and saw the same evolution in Thailand about 15 - 20 years ago. One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining the market.[/QUOTE]Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.

2022 barfines are app $62.50.

A little over doubled.

Affordable to some still.

Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.

For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775169]Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.

2022 barfines are app $62.50.

A little over doubled.

Affordable to some still.

Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.

For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.[/QUOTE]Lets call apples apples.

Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).

Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.

Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.

So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775173]Lets call apples apples.

Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).

Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.

Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.

So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.[/QUOTE]I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.

I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.

Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775178]I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.

I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.

Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.[/QUOTE]As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.

I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.

A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2775157]Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.

Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.[/QUOTE]A monger who lives in Bali will be able to find cheaper pussy as he has more time and the chick will know there is repeat business. If he knows a bit of Bahasa Indonesia, he may even be treated as a pseudo local. Mongers who are there on a 1-week vacation need to take those prices as they don't have time to search wide. I've just come back from that region and the prices mentioned are correct. Nothing to do with being mentally deranged. I think the information you're providing is all from pre-Covid and the whole scene has changed.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2775238]A monger who lives in Bali...[/QUOTE]Answered in the Indonesia / Bali Thread.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775183]As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.

I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.

A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.[/QUOTE]300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.

$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775183]A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.[/QUOTE]I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775173]Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.[/QUOTE]Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.

Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2775528]300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.

$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.[/QUOTE]Seems in your haste to prove a point you have overlooked the clear fact of short time v long time that I and many others have pointed out to you.

Lets look at the facts,10 years ago all girls stayed long time for the 28.5 usd, normally long time was minimum10 hours but many girls stayed much more time.

28.50 usd devide by 10 = 2. 85 usd the girl 10 years ago earnt per hour spent with punter, yes a measly 2. 85 usd an hour.

As many have said most girls in todays angeles demand 90 usd for short time max 1 hour or less if punter finishes quicker.

Yes that's a whopping 90 usd per hour earnt by girl spent with punter, what's worse is that you are happy with this increadible price increase.

In antisipation to your next post in reply I will file any claims made by your good self of all my girls stay long time now in the same bin as your earlier claims of you were able to fuck 8 girls daily in your youth.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2775564]I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.

Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.

Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input westie, yes agree the decline in Angeles girl size looks and attitude has been Declining over many years.

As I did not travel to Thailand to monger but on business so did not partake in the flesh.

But in honesty from what I saw walking around near the open bar areas of both pattaya and Bangkok and comparing the girls to angeles then in all honesty the thais win hands down for youth, looks and slim body so pointless to compare prices between the two as such girls do not exist in todays Angeles.

My mention of my recent trip to Bangkok and pattaya is to make aware that while western punters have voted with their feet not to visit Angeles both Thai destination bars were packed with punters, for one destination to be packed and one destination to be empty of punters then that sugests to me those punters are happy with the quality and prices of Thailand and not so much with Angeles.

As a side note I stayed in great hotel near nana at 50 usd per night including buffet breakfast, similar hotels in angeles would have been at least double if not treble like for like.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2774835]Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.[/QUOTE]I cancelled all yesterday. My flight alone to AC was going to be $1350. Wild Orchid at $80 a night x 14 (too poor to afford ABC) was going to be $1120. I like to pamper myself when it comes to food (I like my steaks and Italian places) and I usually have company. I drink quite a bit and add to it the lady drinks and 5000 pesos bull% and next thing you know $6000 was not going to take me very far. The worst is finding yourself with fuglies after you spent so much. I am fine overspending a bit if I spend my vacation with a few hotties.

I am all set for Jakarta now. Flight was half price, 4 star hotels for half the price of ABC with daily breakfast. World class malls to kill some time in and 1000's of steakhouses and restaurants. The brothels and massage spas with literally 1000's of Indo girls. The downside, no English and mostly bam-bam thank you Mam kind of system. I am ok with that because I never get to bang any Pinay lookers like Indo, just because they are hard to find or there are maybe half a dozen in every 100 girls. In Jakarta, You walk into these bordellos and you have 30 - 40 girls and every one of them is finger licking good. 9's and 10's are available if you are willing to spend a little. Problem with AC is even if you are willing to spend, you can't find them or the few that exist are usually with a group of Korean punters.

At 400,000 a pop ($25) - 15600 exchange, that is a bargain I cannot find anywhere else in SEA. Add another 200 K tip and it is still a steal, that's $40 total. Some high end places may charge twice that which I am still ok with considering you are getting models for a short time. Not Soi 6 and for sure not AC can a man do a model for $40-60. There are no models in AC even if I am wiling to pay a premium. I still love my Pinays though.

I will post my detailed report once I land Friday. I will be staying at a bordello for the first week to get everything out of my system, and then move to a nicer hotel in case I end up taking LTs and want some serenity and normal time to myself. I compiled a list which should be more than enough for 2 weeks. The plan is to do a spa every afternoon and in the evening a lady bar with a live band and banging on site. If I do find a gem who I click with, then I have no problem keeping her for 2-3 million a day. I am for sure staying away from the usual hooker places in South Jakarta where the girls are past their expiry dates or who have been hooking for years. (M Block for sure even though it has been dead for a while). Add to it CJs and BATS. Most girls there are in their 30's or have been around the block for several years. The plan is to stick to the old town. My last and only trip was in 2014.

Who knows, I may still end up in AC if things get better, I still have 10,000 pesos from 5 years ago. Enjoy and stay safe.

It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers. Any insight on freelancer pricing? Also, do AC bars still let you get money back if the girl doesn't deliver?

I hate getting chicks who insist on condoms. Have they become more or less prevalent nowadays?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2775566]Seems in your haste to prove a point you have overlooked the clear fact of short time v long time that I and many others have pointed out to you.

Lets look at the facts,10 years ago all girls stayed long time for the 28.5 usd, normally long time was minimum10 hours but many girls stayed much more time.

28.50 usd devide by 10 = 2. 85 usd the girl 10 years ago earnt per hour spent with punter, yes a measly 2. 85 usd an hour.

As many have said most girls in todays angeles demand 90 usd for short time max 1 hour or less if punter finishes quicker.

Yes that's a whopping 90 usd per hour earnt by girl spent with punter, what's worse is that you are happy with this increadible price increase.

In antisipation to your next post in reply I will file any claims made by your good self of all my girls stay long time now in the same bin as your earlier claims of you were able to fuck 8 girls daily in your youth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2774835]Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.[/QUOTE]Some of us are not that lucky, you must be much much closer. East coast US tickets to Manila are now $1500 and up and that's buying a few weeks out, unless you choose 40 hours to get there and that aint happening. Figure room 50 bucks a night and that's about standared at AirBnB for something decent. (Grammercy or Jazz example) 50/14 nights 700 bucks. Could you go cheaper sure but I'm not staying in a dump. You are looking at 22 to $2500 bucks just to get there and lay down. Girls and eating gets you past $5000 with no problem and that's being conservative with the partying.

Retiring there is going to be much cheaper, I'm living for that day.

[QUOTE=NothingElse1;2775608]The downside, no English and mostly bam-bam thank you Mam kind of system. [/QUOTE]For a pretence of GFE and LT both ID and PH girls are keen to act as a 'tourguide' around town with extra services at the end of the day. Costs are minimal and sources can be online or just striking up a conversation on the streets / in the mall. I'd agree that English can be a struggle at times but that's half the fun if you find the right girl.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2775680]It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers....[/QUOTE]You have touched upon the elephant in the room: Barfines are hardly the only way to get laid in AC. If punters don't like them, then grab a streetwalker, online girl, mall sales girl, waitress after-work, afternoon sneakout before work etc. Guys have even brought tea to China with a byo from Manila. The optiona are endless.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2775680]It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers. Any insight on freelancer pricing? Also, do AC bars still let you get money back if the girl doesn't deliver?

I hate getting chicks who insist on condoms. Have they become more or less prevalent nowadays?[/QUOTE]Yes indeed some of the quoted girl prices are indeed ridiculous.

Sneak outs from bars, yes its possible to meet girls in their own time but don't try to get a girls number in the bar unless one wants to face problems with security, best way is to barfine said girl the 1st time from the bar and then get her number back at the hotel before she leaves and see if girl would be willing to meet in her own time maybe on her day off.

Online girls, I am generally not a fan of Angeles online prostitutes, why because of the general low quality and all the mucking around until you get the one in a hundred that actually looks like her online profile photos, or for the girl that one earlier chatted to on cam and made visiting arrangements only for a completely different girl to turn up at the door, usually 5/10 years older and 40/50 kg heavier, all in all too much wasted time for my liking.

Money back for non performers, Yes multiple years ago this was sometimes possible.

But then came along the changes in law and the bar raid years where multiple bars had been raided, multiple bar owners arrested, multiple mama arrested, multiple bars never allowed to open again, why, because they were set up in sting operations with foreigners working for the police handing over marked money in exchange for bar fines, once the marked money had been received by the bar the raiding team moved in.

So now days when one pays the large pesos early work release to a bar it is strictly to allow the girl to leave the bar early, it sure does not mean one is paying to have sex with said girl.

Try to return a girl to the bar for any reason will have the owner or mama firmly advise that prostitution in the Phil's is highly illegal and comes under the human trafficing laws which carries a mandatory jail sentence of 20 years without parole for the bar owner or the punter caught in prostitution activity, therefore the bar will insist they only accepted payment for early work release of the girl and definitely not to have sex with the girl as that would be highly illegal, so no refunds given as that would be admitting to prostitution.

No condom, I'm sure its possible with some girls, probably the type of girls that are not very popular and don't have too much choice, popular girls might have choices so prefer customers that want to fuck only with condom, as I have previously said I am super careful with pros so insist on using condoms.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2776344]

But then came along the changes in law and the bar raid years where multiple bars had been raided, multiple bar owners arrested, multiple mama arrested, multiple bars never allowed to open again, why, because they were set up in sting operations with foreigners working for the police handing over marked money in exchange for bar fines, once the marked money had been received by the bar the raiding team moved in.

So now days when one pays the large pesos early work release to a bar it is strictly to allow the girl to leave the bar early, it sure does not mean one is paying to have sex with said girl..[/QUOTE]It's surprising that this didn't lead to the end of the prepaid pricing in AC and introduce a barfine+girl's fee model like Burgos etc. That would have also seen AC's poor performance complaints disappear over night too.

I remember straight after the raids in Subic that the mamas and barstaff would not even discuss EWRs or fines, saying that that was a private discussion between the guy and the girl. Unfortunately, this lead to immediate price rises as girls decided that they were worth much more than they were previously paid. I'm not sure if the payment discussion is still with the girl or if it's returned to being defined by the bar.

Enjoy. G.

Good to see a realistic post interspersing the tales of non-stop condomless debauchery with AC's "top models" LOL.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2776344]
No condom, I'm sure its possible with some girls, probably the type of girls that are not very popular and don't have too much choice, popular girls might have choices so prefer customers that want to fuck only with condom, as I have previously said I am super careful with pros so insist on using condoms.[/QUOTE]I think it's becoming more common that the girl clarifies this point before going out, happens quite often to me. I tend to prefer lower mileage so perhaps my sample is skewed. Hygiene seems also to be stressing condoms in their mandatory lectures. Condom or no condom is a personal choice; you may not catch the big one going sans French letters, but AC can certainly put you out of action with some other nasties.

I go to AC prolly 3 or four tines a year for quite some time now. It is quite convenient and cheap for me to get there as I live on Negros Island in PI and it is a short flight to Cebu then Clark. I was AC in the 1980's heydeys (with my Uncle Sam) which I recall with great fondness and much more enthusiasm. It is a shadow of what it was then but it is still a desirable mongering destination despite increased costs. The Korean effect, etc.

Look at all the places that have disappeared, fellas. Surabaya's sin city in Indonesia. Curacao's Happy Camp in the Caribbean. EDSA in Manila. The casas in Manila and Cebu. Et cetera. I have been to all of these Classic locations and many more which have vanished like a fart in the wind. So, count your blessings, fellas. You can still get laid here for under a hundred bucks and her pussy is so tight and wet and willing.

The last girl I was with there, from Angel Witch, came three times while I was fucking her. No shit, man. Her face was prolly a 6 but her body is a solid 8. Damage was 4 K. And then she brought three gfs over from Angel Witch and they took turns massaging me, and swimming in Orchid Inn's pool. Then one of her gfs, a 7, starts to blow me quite expertly so I gave her 2 K. Where else in the world does this happen? Please tell me and I will go there.

In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.

[QUOTE=DCups;2776554]I go to AC prolly 3 or four tines a year for quite some time now. It is quite convenient and cheap for me to get there as I live on Negros Island in PI and it is a short flight to Cebu then Clark. I was AC in the 1980's heydeys (with my Uncle Sam) which I recall with great fondness and much more enthusiasm. It is a shadow of what it was then but it is still a desirable mongering destination despite increased costs. The Korean effect, etc.

Look at all the places that have disappeared, fellas. Surabaya's sin city in Indonesia. Curacao's Happy Camp in the Caribbean. EDSA in Manila. The casas in Manila and Cebu. Et cetera. I have been to all of these Classic locations and many more which have vanished like a fart in the wind. So, count your blessings, fellas. You can still get laid here for under a hundred bucks and her pussy is so tight and wet and willing.

The last girl I was with there, from Angel Witch, came three times while I was fucking her. No shit, man. Her face was prolly a 6 but her body is a solid 8. Damage was 4 K. And then she brought three gfs over from Angel Witch and they took turns massaging me, and swimming in Orchid Inn's pool. Then one of her gfs, a 7, starts to blow me quite expertly so I gave her 2 K. Where else in the world does this happen? Please tell me and I will go there.

In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear that you can still find some enjoyment in todays angeles city, I think the secret is to live either in angeles or somewhere near bye in order to keep costs per girl low.

For those that have to fly half way across the globe at great expense might see it differently though, and when all costs factored in flights, hotels, insurances etc those same under 100 usd girls for the close bye guys could work out to be 4-500 usd each for the guys from us, uk, europe once all expenses taken into account.

In truth I would say that by the time one takes out the better looking angeles girls which are mainly drinks only girls, cherrie girls and asian only girls then what's left for the westerner is low quality and even at under 100 usd is extortionate in price.

New years eve this year which is the peak day in peak season saw many western bars with no customers many of these bars also closed down well before midnight so I'm not sure of your claim that angeles is a desired location is in the slightest true for many punters.

You ask where else can guys can get sucked and fucked like in angeles, Well prostitution in Europe is everywhere just like it is in Angeles just at slightly different venues, no need to look far for paid sex in Europe either, online, classified ads, many dating (sex) apps, strip clubs, lap dancing clubs, massage salons, men only clubs, sauna clubs etc.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.

The Rest of Asia, just like Angeles pros exist in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos at similar if not less cost like for like.

My take is that Angeles is what it is, I find the guys that are complaining the least out of my Angeles friends are those that live there already and are willing to greatly lower their expectations / standards when it comes to available girls.

Now on to prostitutes supposed orgasms, just because a girl is moaning and pulling fuck me harder faces does not mean she is not play acting, in truth she could just as well be thinking what she is going to cook her kids for dinner while she's moaning.

On to tight pinay pussies, never found pinay prostitutes to be tighter or looser than pros of any other nation, considering by the very nature of their profession most of these girls have fucked thousands of guys, have had multiple child births so not sure anything left to be tight about their pussies.

Warm wet pinay pussy, this is where I worry, many pinay pros have pinoy husbands, pinoy boyfriends, pinoy lovers, some girls have all 3 at the same time add on a few paid customers per day and that warm wet feeling pinay pussy might just be a few fluid ounces of newly inserted sperm from multiple doners just before she turned up at ones door and not in fact that she excited to see us.

Anyways each to their own, if some are happy in Angeles then I'm happy for them.

[QUOTE=DCups;2776554]
In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2777010]Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.[/QUOTE]Hey! What about me on my next trip?

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2777010]Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Doc. Trying to send you a PM for details.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2777010]Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2777025]Hey! What about me on my next trip?[/QUOTE]Bruh. Got you covered. One of my favoritas.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2776731]

For those that have to fly half way across the globe at great expense might see it differently though, and when all costs factored in flights, hotels, insurances etc those same under 100 usd girls for the close bye guys could work out to be 4-500 usd each for the guys from us, uk, europe once all expenses taken into account.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.
[/QUOTE]It's the evening dates or overnighters where the true value lies in Southeast Asia. I prefer longer "date-like" encounters over the "wham-bam-thank-you ma'am" of the brothels.

A date with Kimber in Toronto is $5000 for 10 hours. 24 hours with Madison Winter in Toronto is $10,000.

My 3-week trip to Jakarta; Bali, Manila & Angeles with business class plane tickets and 4-5 star hotels is costing around $8,000. Add an overnighter in Jakarta at $300 and I'm still ahead of a that single date with Winter.

Overnighters in the USA run from $3000 to $6000.

And that ya'll is why I save my money and travel.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2776731]You ask where else can guys can get sucked and fucked like in angeles, Well prostitution in Europe is everywhere just like it is in Angeles just at slightly different venues, no need to look far for paid sex in Europe either, online, classified ads, many dating (sex) apps, strip clubs, lap dancing clubs, massage salons, men only clubs, sauna clubs etc.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.

The Rest of Asia, just like Angeles pros exist in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos at similar if not less cost like for like.

Now on to prostitutes supposed orgasms, just because a girl is moaning and pulling fuck me harder faces does not mean she is not play acting, in truth she could just as well be thinking what she is going to cook her kids for dinner while she's moaning.

On to tight pinay pussies, never found pinay prostitutes to be tighter or looser than pros of any other nation, considering by the very nature of their profession most of these girls have fucked thousands of guys, have had multiple child births so not sure anything left to be tight about their pussies..[/QUOTE]Hello Napa,

What I meant was where do you find a girl who will bring over three girlfriends to massage you and go swimming and then let one of them blow you?

I have been to the FKKs in Europe and they are ok. I have been to the other SEA places you mentioned and more (except Laos) and they are ok but the group thing does not happen.

As for her orgasms she has got to be a prime time porn actress to pull that one off. If she is faking it she is better than 99% of the other 600-some girls I have been with. But at 23 she is fairly new to the game and did not have any kids.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2777102]It's the evening dates or overnighters where the true value lies in Southeast Asia. I prefer longer "date-like" encounters over the "wham-bam-thank-you ma'am" of the brothels.

A date with Kimber in Toronto is $5000 for 10 hours. 24 hours with Madison Winter in Toronto is $10,000.

My 3-week trip to Jakarta; Bali, Manila & Angeles with business class plane tickets and 4-5 star hotels is costing around $8,000. Add an overnighter in Jakarta at $300 and I'm still ahead of a that single date with Winter.

Overnighters in the USA run from $3000 to $6000.

And that ya'll is why I save my money and travel.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.[/QUOTE]Not sure you can compare the quality of girls like Madison winters to what's available in Asia.

Gone are the days of the better looking girls of Angeles staying long time for cheap, why because the better looking girls are in extremely high demand and charge by the hour, why fuck one guy for 10 hours for 5,000 p when she can fuck 5 guys at 5,000 p per hour = 25,000 p per day.

Yes one can find a freelance old homeless girl in Angeles for long time with cheaper price but who would travel around the world for such.

Hi guys,

How is the holiday going to affect the amount of girls in Angeles City?

I wonder if most of the girls will be going back to their provinces.

Thanks for your inputs.