Pattaya Reports

Big rainstorm in Pattaya this afternoon around 2 pm. Supposedly it knocked out DMK. Strategically figured with the rain it was a great day to hit Kinnaree. Girls would have already arrived at work and no customers would come. Well I was half right. Definitely no customers. Maybe less than 10. However, only about 30 girls on a Friday afternoon. That's pretty low. On the good side lots of new faces to me. A handful ok. Overall looked like a younger bunch than usual. One short haired tall slim blonde I recognized from I believe Soi 6. Amazing long legs. Talked to her a bit and she seemed friendly but I chose my regular girl with bigger than average real tits instead.

Time to kill before I headed to Walking Street so thought I'd swing over to Soi Full Love Inn. No power at all so all bars were closed. Power had already been out for over 2 hours. Assume girls went home but a few were just hanging around outside. Stuck around a bit and talked to some of my regular girls.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2313277]I wonder if, rather than food poisoning, you had the flu. I know two people who had symptoms very similar to yours, which turned out to be caused by one of this year's flu strains (as I recall, it's one that this year's flu vaccine gave only partial immunity for). The fever you had seems much more like a flu symptom than a food poisoning symptom (though I'm not a doctor). Muscle aches are also very common with the flu. Anyway, a thought. I'm glad you're feeling better![/QUOTE]I had considered the flu-like symptoms I was having possibly being unrelated to the runs, but when I told the pharmacist about the fever he said of course it was related as the body was fighting the infection that was causing the runs and fever. But beats me. It could have all been unrelated to Sizzler's, but I had eaten there about 10 to 12 hours before the symptoms started. The only other meal I had that day was breakfast some 20 hours earlier. The hotel does have a salad bar of sorts for breakfast, to include two types of lettuce, and other things that are left out in the open neither refrigerated nor heated. And the bacteria, if that is what is was, may have come form the ice in the drinks on Soi 6 or maybe I didn't rinse my mouth out good enough with bottled water after I brushed my teeth. Who knows?! For a while I was worried, given the flu like symptoms, I had picked up herpes or something! Yikes. But all seems well now and thanks for you all's comments and concerns.

The stuck pill in the throat feeling is not uncommon, only that it was a bit worse and lasted longer than typical. Years ago a had a throat issue and was examined by a radiologist who found an anomaly but as it wasn't causing me problems we didn't do anything. Maybe it is time to have it looked at again. Back then, they found a "pouch" that neither he nor my family doc had seen or heard of before.

To get back on topic, shortly I will be going to pick up my mystery girl for LT. Not sure what we will do, well, you know! Haha Her English isn't the greatest so that will be a challenge, but maybe we will hit WS or who knows. I will try to let her do what she wants. Later.

I'm trying to hit the new bars from six months ago to keep my more or less perfect record. Perfection is a horrible mistress: I have to go places I know will suck. So far, though, they have been adequate, but certainly no standouts. Theses were, of course, just fifteen to twenty minute snapshots so YMMV.

Rich (WS): I was the only customer but it was only about 8:30. Average dancers but with decent boobage, which should be a word. Screw you, spell check! I fear the majority of the assets may not have been original equipment but there were some decent ones to look at, though their mounting brackets were, as noted, unremarkable.

Panda (WS): Seemed targeted at the Asian crowd. Above average lookers but no superstars. Tops came off around 9 PM.

Pin Up (WS): Average dancers but somehow each crew had one with serious baby damage stationed in front of me. Tops were off at 9:30.

Harem Club (WS): I was one of maybe three customers at close to 10:00. Poor selection and a waitress who really, really thought I should take a girl, any girl. Did not tarry.

Kink (LK Metro): At least the third name for this place in my visits. Some quite above average dancers, two of whom caught my eye, though only for one reason: Asses. One in particular was awesome. Conveniently the uniform of the day was that great measure of butts, the white thong. The minimum standard is to be able to see the full width for the full length, yet, of course, not to have concave butt cheeks and bones sticking out everywhere: I can see that stuff on charity telethons raising money for blighted areas. No, thank you, I don't tip concave butts. The other extreme are the intergluteal clefts that swallow the thong whole, so completely that one wonders if she is even wearing bottoms and then wonders why one would care. I know of those things: I went to a class in Oklahoma thirty years ago and they didn't even allow true thongs and the things STILL got devoured. It was not a good time in my life. Butt, uh, but this particular butt truly excelled. I could put up with slightly sub-par remainders just to do the doggie for hours. But I only got a glimpse of the rest since she was determinedly facing the other wall. It looked okay, but before I had a chance to get a better look all the dancers were chased off stage and lesbians descended from the heavens. If that is what is going on in heaven I'm going to start going to church. The ceiling above the stage lowered and atop it were six naked lesbians, the best kind, who just kept on lesbianing despite being returned to the earthly kingdom. Not a bad show at all, and they looked a lot better than the average at places like the Windmill and Sugar Baby. Sadly, they returned whence they came after just eight minutes. I believe that is why the stairway to heaven I was sitting beside was so busy. Then the next crew took the stage so the fine butt-wearer remained un-examined. Ah'll be baack.

Dolls LK (LK Metro): The former Kaos. Stages are still the same with the perilous transitions that tipsy girls in high heels must manage as they rotate through. Several cute ones. I was accosted by a well endowed young lady (I hope) from Chiang Mai who earned a drink by being well endowed, though again I doubt it was natural. Then it was stage time. The ass was a let down, but there was more: There was just a tad of LB look about her. Really nothing at all but it is one of those once seen things. I may return for more examination but to get there I have to pass Kink and that butt has priority.

I also hit Baccara just to get the Harem Club out of my mind. As always, a nice selection and I felt truly noble being the token farang. After just a few minutes again the dancers were chased off stage but the heavens did not rain lesbians, rather some very average looking dancers in fishnet outfits appeared, then the outfits disappeared and the dancers looked even more average. A bit of a let down.

I returned to Touch to see if my bed mate from last visit was still working (no) and had my childhood ruined by what appeared to be a porno version of Asterix. Those Gauls really swung some serious meat. I believe the baguette was developed in homage to them.

I still have something like ten bars to do. Not sure I'll make it with that butt on my mind.

Hey guys. Haven't posted in awhile so I thought I'd start to contribute again and hopefully add some value and fun.

WALKING STREET PRICES.

Seems the Thai mafia / club owners are price fixing now. Major club prices have gone through the roof. Last night at HAPPY A-Go-Go: Always a pretty decent experience for me. A few years back they had some of those "beer koozies" made up. You know the ones you slide your bottles in to keep cold. I look over at the girl I was buying drinks for and possibly planning to BF and SHE WAS THE MODEL on the koozie. Had to definitely BF her. I still have that koozie in my office. Great memories on stress packed days! Back then the BF was 800. So I met with a 9..a real beauty from Chiang Mai last night & bought her a drink. Perfect tall, slim build with nice tits. Not an easy combo to get everything perfect. After a few minutes I asked the prices. BF now is 1200 and ST with her 3000 so 4200 all in. I was shocked but she said all the major go-go's now on WS charge the same.

WINDMILL.

Never a big fan but I had to checkout her claim, which I knew would not be true in this scuzzy place. Walked in at 2:30 am, pretty full with the usual crowd of misfits eating at the why with the girls on stage, grabbing boobs everywhere. The majority of these old farangs come here just for that and never BF a girl. I met a 22 yr old cutie with pink and blue hair (why not change it up). She was a show girl, on stage totally nude showing off her bare muff. And BF for her was only 700 and 2500ST. Drink prices decent too.

The point is, you're still WAY better off on #1 Soi 6, #2 Beer Bars just about anywhere or #3 in the LK Metro / Soi Diana / Soi Buakhhao area. But ever there always ask and be specific asking the girl WHAT exactly she'll do.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2313221]I am feeling better today and the throat lumpiness went away during the night, so no issues now. As I have had this come and go before, when I get home I will go see the doc.

I did have an emergency run to the toilet during breakfast, but I have been ok in the few hours since.

My Word program decided to shut down. I have been using Word 2010 and use it on a desktop and laptop, with only one or the other being used at any one time. But I upgrade both computers every couple of years, scrapping the old computer when I get a new one. Apparently I have loaded Office one too many times and it chose today to pretty much shut itself down, saying I exceed the number of loads my license allows. When I get home I might call MS, but perhaps it is time to upgrade, though I have an older version of Office that works good enough for what I need it for. But fortunately I did a major upload yesterday as I can not even copy the text over. I assume I can still use Word Pad. Hopefully I can keep you all updated.

I need to go as a Tender girl just contacted me.[/QUOTE]Truly glad you are feeling better. Those of us stateside live to read the The Adventures of FL Hawk. Rock on soldier!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2313755]Those of us stateside live to read the The Adventures of FL Hawk. Rock on soldier![/QUOTE]Those of us who live in Thailand live to read the Chronicles of FL Hawk.

[QUOTE=JohnnyVegas;2313628]HAPPY A-Go-Go.......BF now is 1200 [/QUOTE]

FYI this is on the low end of gogo barfines. 3000 ST for the girl is negotiable with the girl.

Didn't know barfine at Windmill was only 700 baht. Goes to show the last time I saw someone I was even interested in at Windmill.

I am from South India and I've been to Thailand 7 times in the last 3 years and Pattaya has become close to my second home. What baffled me is when I tried to get in to the below bars.

Baccara Agogo. Entry Denied.

Peppermint. Hit and miss.

Skyfall. Entry Denied.

The Dollhouse. Entry Denied.

Every time I try to enter the above bars I will be stopped by the security stating 'Entry for members only' and they never let me in. I understand that they stopped letting Indians into the bar due to a few Indians misbehaving inside the bar and doing their best to show off their cheap Charlie nature. I mean come on, there has to be a way for an Indian to get into Baccara, this bar has been on my bucket list ever since the beginning and unfortunately never had the privilege to enter the bar.

I never had any problems with other agogo's and they let me in with a smile, I've build quite a rapport with the mamasan in Crazy House agogo, the entire bar members remembers me and welcomes me like I'm some sort of superstar. 'The reason being that I've spent a lot of money on lady drinks and I'm okay with it. '.

This I understand, bars treat you well if your pockets are deep enough. But what I cannot digest is how am I supposed to show the bars like Baccara that I am not a cheap charlie so that they can let me in. Could someone here let me know the magic word that I need to use to get in?

They let people like the Chinese, Japanese and Americans inside with a blink of an eye because they spend quite a lot and to be frank I can spend too. BF has increased a lot now but I really wish to enter Baccara once. If someone here could let me know how to get in to the above bars that would be really helpful.

P.S: I dress very well, every girl I've been with always complimented how I always smell good. I make sure that I don't sweat because few girls told me that they deny Indians because they reek of body odour and sweat. I don't mean to disrespect any of my brothers in India, but this is the hard truth that I have heard from all the girls I've been with.

[QUOTE=YearOfMonk;2313256]My question to experts here is, since most girls on TF, TC etc. Are freelancers, so should I pay more than 3 k for LT? Or in other words, what are the going rates for LT these days? I know there is no set pattern to this, & each Girl warrants her own price, but I don't want to be conned, so seeking advice from experts here.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No, you shouldn't. The average going rates on TF and Tinder are 1000-1500 BHT for ST and 1600-2000 BHT for LT.

So I first started coming to Pattaya back in 2005. I come back about once every two years or such. This time, even though its low season, the prices have surprised me.

I know prices change over time, but its just not financially attractive at the gogo's anymore.

My first stop was at Kittens for a BJ upstairs. The girl was kinda cute but put up a fight to take her top off. The BJ was slightly mechanical as well. I managed to slide a finger in her pussy but she wasnt all that receptive.

My next stop was at Club 4. Now this place is a little off the beaten track but very much worth a visit. So my reviews of the place said that the girls were pretty and liked to suck for about 800-900 baht. When I walked in, I did find a very enthusiastic girl who was quite cute and we went upstairs. I was told the price was 1 k and I could fuck her if I wanted. Hmmm ok that seems reasonable. After I had finished, I also found out it was another 350 for the bar downstairs. So my 800 adventure became a 1350 adventure. All in all though, you will get good service at Club 4.

Now I haven't bar fined a girl from a gogo since 2009 because prices were just nuts. But I got an update at Sugarbaby where the barfine was 1 k and the girl wanted 3 k for st. I did my typical laugh with a "who do you think you are kidding?" and the girl was straight up with "all girls are 3 k ST". Hard pass.

Also its getting harder to find the "dirtier gogos". Like I don't want to come and just see women in bikinis, I want to see them fully nude. Now my go to's for this are Windmill, Sugarbaby and Kink. There used to be way more like X-Zone, Club Boesche but it seems that Pattaya is becoming tamer.

Any other recommendations for fully nude Gogo's?

[QUOTE=Danubius;2313831]No, you shouldn't. The average going rates on TF and Tinder are 1000-1500 BHT for ST and 1600-2000 BHT for LT.[/QUOTE]As of April 1, when I was in the ground in Pattaya, TF ladies ST- no more than 1500- most you could get 2 x for that price, 2000 always was good for LT, 10% tip will insure repeat would be no issue.

Cheers and good luck.

[QUOTE=Hades;2313872]My first stop was at Kittens for a BJ upstairs. [/QUOTE]Where is Kittens?

[QUOTE=Hades;2313872]My next stop was at Club 4. <snip> the girls were pretty and liked to suck for about 800-900 baht. When I walked in, I did find a very enthusiastic girl who was quite cute and we went upstairs. I was told the price was 1 k and I could fuck her if I wanted. Hmmm ok that seems reasonable. After I had finished, I also found out it was another 350 for the bar downstairs. So my 800 adventure became a 1350 adventure. [/QUOTE]If I understood this correctly girls were quoting you 800-900 baht at a BJ bar. FYI BJ price is 500 baht at a BJ bar or G Club. Sex 1000. If you were last here 2 years ago you may have forgotten that there has always been a barfine at Soi 6 and these types of bars. 2 years ago I believe it was still 300 barfine.

[QUOTE=Hades;2313872]

Any other recommendations for fully nude Gogo's?[/QUOTE]

Electric Blue. I believe XXX upstairs at Dollhouse.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2313820]I mean come on, there has to be a way for an Indian to get into Baccara, this bar has been on my bucket list ever since the beginning and unfortunately never had the privilege to enter the bar.[/QUOTE]Talk to a couple of young Japanese or Korean guys and let them know you will pay for their first drink if they say you are with them. Pretty sure Baccara and Skyfall won't be denying entry.

Baccara's current lineup is no better than Palace or Sensations now. You can try Pin Up and Panda as well. Missing out on Baccara is not the end of the world and not bucket list worthy! Too many other gogo bars to be worried about Baccara.

[QUOTE=Hades;2313872]So I first started coming to Pattaya back in 2005. I come back about once every two years or such. This time, even though its low season, the prices have surprised me.

I know prices change over time, but its just not financially attractive at the gogo's anymore.

My first stop was at Kittens for a BJ upstairs. The girl was kinda cute but put up a fight to take her top off. The BJ was slightly mechanical as well. I managed to slide a finger in her pussy but she wasnt all that receptive.

My next stop was at Club 4. Now this place is a little off the beaten track but very much worth a visit. So my reviews of the place said that the girls were pretty and liked to suck for about 800-900 baht. When I walked in, I did find a very enthusiastic girl who was quite cute and we went upstairs. I was told the price was 1 k and I could fuck her if I wanted. Hmmm ok that seems reasonable. After I had finished, I also found out it was another 350 for the bar downstairs. So my 800 adventure became a 1350 adventure. All in all though, you will get good service at Club 4.

Now I haven't bar fined a girl from a gogo since 2009 because prices were just nuts. But I got an update at Sugarbaby where the barfine was 1 k and the girl wanted 3 k for st. I did my typical laugh with a "who do you think you are kidding?" and the girl was straight up with "all girls are 3 k ST". Hard pass.

Also its getting harder to find the "dirtier gogos". Like I don't want to come and just see women in bikinis, I want to see them fully nude. Now my go to's for this are Windmill, Sugarbaby and Kink. There used to be way more like X-Zone, Club Boesche but it seems that Pattaya is becoming tamer.

Any other recommendations for fully nude Gogo's?[/QUOTE]Of all the Go Go's in Pattaya I like Dollhouse for full nudity and hands on. If you are Indian don't go in the front on Soi 15, they have a back entrance as you are going up Soi 15 to Dollhouse, after the old Angel Witch location there is a small tight alley on the left you will see a number of food carts walk through and make a right look up and you will see a sign XXX that is Dollhouse upstairs VIP, there is normally no door person there normally.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2313820]I am from South India and I've been to Thailand 7 times in the last 3 years and Pattaya has become close to my second home. What baffled me is when I tried to get in to the below bars.

Baccara Agogo. Entry Denied.

Peppermint. Hit and miss.

Skyfall. Entry Denied.

The Dollhouse. Entry Denied.

Every time I try to enter the above bars I will be stopped by the security stating 'Entry for members only' and they never let me in. I understand that they stopped letting Indians into the bar due to a few Indians misbehaving inside the bar and doing their best to show off their cheap Charlie nature. I mean come on, there has to be a way for an Indian to get into Baccara, this bar has been on my bucket list ever since the beginning and unfortunately never had the privilege to enter the bar.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313946]Talk to a couple of young Japanese or Korean guys and let them know you will pay for their first drink if they say you are with them. Pretty sure Baccara and Skyfall won't be denying entry.

Baccara's current lineup is no better than Palace or Sensations now. You can try Pin Up and Panda as well. Missing out on Baccara is not the end of the world and not bucket list worthy! Too many other gogo bars to be worried about Baccara.[/QUOTE]Don't worry too much chum. I am Indian myself and well dressed when I go to walking street. I just tip the doormen. It helps me get in and also the most beautiful girls in Pattaya. I am sure if go to Palace, Sensations, Pin up, Panda or Baccara, I can be like a king in those clubs. I think it's all about how you treat the girls not how much you drink. So that's my advice and you will be able to get inside, plus the hottest girls will swarm over you. Don't give up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313940]Where is Kittens?

[/QUOTE]I think its on Soi 13/3. Closer to second road than beach road. Girls there arent half bad.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2313820]I am from South India and I've been to Thailand 7 times in the last 3 years and Pattaya has become close to my second home. What baffled me is when I tried to get in to the below bars.

Baccara Agogo. Entry Denied.

Peppermint. Hit and miss.

Skyfall. Entry Denied.

The Dollhouse. Entry Denied..[/QUOTE]I was stopped at the door at Baccara and told to order something before entering. I said I want to look inside first. He said this isn't a disco so I got annoyed and left. Don't think I've had that happen before in Thailand. If that's what I had at the door they must push drinks hard inside. I was with another Indian and at red car they wanted 200 at the door. I don't know if that was because it was a Saturday night, we were Indian, or we were 2 single guys (or a combination). Other than that I don't think I've been denied entry.

P.S. Don't make excuses for their racism. I know you think you're being reasonable by trying to understand their point of view but all you end up doing is perpetuating those stereotypes. You say you are well dressed, clean, and smell good but was denied entry. The only factor remaining is Indian.

NOTE: My Microsoft Office software decided to stop working. I will henceforth be using Notepad which is a bit less convenient as I will have to rely on ISG for spell checking. Oh well.

I woke up feeling weak, but better. I went down for breakfast and managed to eat two eggs on toast with a little fruit, but as I ate the bowels gurgled and I had to hurry back to the public toilet! I did have a few more moments on the toilet but by late morning things had steadied and I was regaining strength and beginning to think I could go out into the world without fear of not reaching a toilet in time. I realized I was falling behind on finishing reports and getting them finalized and edited, so I worked on getting a couple finished and posted. I am still reluctant to head out, but feel I am improving and will be able to get out soon.

At around 3 or 4 PM, totally bored but down to under one squirt per hour, I venture to the pharmacy to ask about an anti-dirrhea medicine. I think he was wondering to himself why he didn't give me one with the other meds, but he recommends Imodium. I asked how quickly it would start and he kind of laughed and said pretty quick. He was right. It was three more days before I had another dump.

But even though I still felt a little weak and still have a bit of a fever, I headed out again for the massage place on Soi 13/1 (Supinida, or something like that). I hope Aom is there and she might actually offer a bit more this time. She was not outside but I asked if she was there, and she was inside and she indeed remembered me (these ladies never forget) and we repeated the full body massage with the "special". The session was pretty much identical with a nice, sterile, sustained BJ but this time when I didn't come she was more upset about it and wanted to try harder. I think she was contemplating offering FS and maybe I will be able to talk her into it if I go back, but she let me go.

I left her to return to my secret girl on Soi 6. She asked where I had been so I explained my illness. I said I was not feeling the greatest and she confirmed I still had a bit of a fever. I said I needed to lie down aso I BF'ed her and we went upstairs. I would have been happen at this point to have simply lied down with her and nap for the hour, and that is how we started out. We both were on our sides facing each other but soon we started kissing and touching and fondling and wrapped around each other and I got hard and somehow, with any hands being involved, she managed to wiggle her body onto by Johnson. I was both to tired and shocked and too overwhelmed to do too much at that point to resist. That is all I will say, but never before has a woman been able to do that with me! Quite sexy. I really like this girl. But I remain a skeptical person.

It was a moving experience again, with me being surprised that she did what she did when she didn't need to. I was happy with what we were doing and no sex would have been ok with me. Perhaps due to the endorphins, I left feeing better and suddenly hungry. But before I left her I asked about LT with her and she said Friday night would be good. I said I would see her again Friday night, then I left her to go eat at my Mexican restaurant on Soi 7 as it was burrito Thursday night. But yeah, this girl and I are hitting it off even though we have to use Google Translate to communicate at times. She has the body I love and she seems to actually enjoy hanging with me. Why else would she have manipulated her body to get me inside her? Well, ok, I can answer that, skeptic that I am. But hey, I am trying to live a fantasy here!

After dinner I went back to the hotel, again tired. I forced myself to stay up until at least 10 PM, but with a Facebook discussion, it was 11 PM before I went to sleep. So, for the day, there was a Aom at the massage place for a BJ, then a semi FS experience with Secret girl.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2313755]Truly glad you are feeling better. Those of us stateside live to read the The Adventures of FL Hawk. Rock on soldier![/QUOTE]Um, thanks.

Sorry if I letting any of you down this trip. Old age is catching up to me I guess, but I have 4 more days here and I am hoping the couple of days I am posting about now will be more upbeat.

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 9, Thursday, April 25,2019.

Thursday.

Feeling better I headed to Soi 6 about 2 PM. I first stopped at Mod's Bar, being drawn in by a girl with a cute face but when I saw all of her I realized she was a tad bit chubby with fat legs. I ordered a drink but I think she sensed my hesitance and she left. There were a few cute girls there but no one tempted me so I left after a few minutes.

I then went to Offshore. I wanted to see this one cute girl but an older woman got up and came over to bring me inside. She had a fairly good body for an older and slightly worn body. Due to her big boobs, however, I offered not only her a drink but the other younger woman who was the one I had originally wanted. Turns out they were sisters, Bun and Fern. I remembered the name Fern and the bar Offshore and asked Fern if she membered me and she said yes and that we were together twice. That was probably true, though I don't have any direct recollection of it, but I had no reason to not think this was the Fern I had been with before. Both ladies were nice and spoke acceptable English. Bun actually had better legs and was a bit slimmer, but Fern was more shapely and much younger looking. I contemplated taking Bun, but the more I thought the more I decided I really didn't want either at that point. I ended up buying both 2 LDs before I gave my respects and left.

I then ended up a Ruby bar. A cute girl, with a pimply sort of face and dark blonde hair, enticed me in. She was tall with a decent figure and nice smile. We went to the back and chatted, where I learned her name was Noi (another Noi). She was 30 and had a kid, but I bit the bullet and BF'd her. I observed a number of other really cute girls at Ruby, and in the mid to late afternoon there was a lot of mongering going on. The BF here is still 300 but we had to wait about half an hour for a room to open, they were that busy! I must say again that Ruby has amongst the best upstairs rooms. They have been remodeled and kept clean, with each room being spacious with their own shower and toilet. Noi's naked body was not too bad, though her boobies were almost nonexistent (but she had huge nipples). But she was very sweet had a big smile almost the entire time. It was like she was enjoying the sex and just wanted it to go on and on. We laughed and overall a good time was had by both. She was a delight and despite the boobs and not quite having a tight, firm body, she is recommended just for her joy of sex.

Next, I decided to go visit my secret girl. I need to see Jin, and I will, but Secret girl is too much fun at this point. When I see Secret she is in the street flirting with some dude to get him to come in, but when she sees me she gave a huge smile and rushed over to me, planting on me a big kiss. I won't say too much but we sat inside and talked (and this is one sore point in that our ability to communicate is limited), but I was feeling tired and I finally asked her to go upstairs to take a nap! I know, yesterday we went up to rest and ended up with sex, but this time it was purely for rest, plus I will be taking her out tomorrow and we will have sex then and I would be in a depleted then, I would rather save up for tomorrow. So I can again here some of you groaning, but sorry, I really wanted to rest companionship was a higher priority for me at this point that pure sex. It was a hot and sticky night and I stank a bit, it was loud in there, and a short nap with a hot girl when we were both clean, dry and cool was super enticing to me. The experience was indeed nice and I think she greatly enjoyed it and this will spark dividends when I LT time her tomorrow.

Leaving Secret, I went back to Soi 7 to enjoy Burrito Day at the Mex restaurant, at which point I was having that stuck-pill-in-my-throat issue I posted about, so feeling tired again I gave my plans to hit WS and went back to the hotel to finish and post some reports then sleep.

So, to summarize, there was only Noi at Ruby. Face 7, body 7, performance 7-1/2.

I wonder if the next 2 weeks are going to be crazy. Japanese have golden week PLUS extra days. And the Chinese have holidays too. Just went to Siam Paragon mall and it was just insane. So wouldn't be surprised if Patts&Bkk are going to be real busy the next days and prices (Temp) raising. Anyone in Pattaya with info on it right now? I'm not arriving there until Friday.

[QUOTE=Hades;2313872]So I first started coming to Pattaya back in 2005. I come back about once every two years or such. This time, even though its low season, the prices have surprised me.

I know prices change over time, but its just not financially attractive at the gogo's anymore.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313946]Talk to a couple of young Japanese or Korean guys and let them know you will pay for their first drink if they say you are with them. Pretty sure Baccara and Skyfall won't be denying entry.

Baccara's current lineup is no better than Palace or Sensations now. You can try Pin Up and Panda as well. Missing out on Baccara is not the end of the world and not bucket list worthy! Too many other gogo bars to be worried about Baccara.[/QUOTE]Thanks a ton, I will heed your advice and try it out the next time I visit Pattaya. To be frank I did think of this as an option to either approach a Japanese or American guy who was travelling alone for help but was never able to muster the courage to approach them to help me get into a bar.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2314163]I wonder if the next 2 weeks are going to be crazy. Japanese have golden week PLUS extra days. [/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me this is Golden Week. It hasn't been that noticeable on Walking Street Fri, Sat, or last night but guys are still pouring in. The gogo bars should be busier this week but the real issue is that Japanese sponsors come to town and barfine their girls for an ENTIRE WEEK!

Also remember May 1 and May 6 are National Holidays in Thailand so there may be bar closures in Thailand on one or both of those days.

Decided to hit some of the gogo bars in LK Metro last night that are not discussed on here often and I haven't visited in a while.

Paradise. Maybe about 15 girls in view. Circled the stage twice! Decided not to stay. No one one drink worthy around and I have never been a fan of Paradise.

Kiss. Counted 18 girls here. Stayed for a drink. There were 2 I'd consider going with if they worked on Soi 6. Short and cute with a firm butt. No lady drinks. No urgency to return.

Destiny - 25-30 girls. It actually wasn't bad here. There was one skinny girl in the model group who was decent looking. She's the only skinny one in the group. No boobs though. The regular girls were much prettier on a whole. I grabbed a very cute one with a petite, solid ass but also an unfortunate little beer belly due to a year of pounding down lady drinks. Nothing major but facially cute enough that I bought her lady drinks. She easily obeyed my 3 or 4 drinks per hour rule without any training. Some of the girls here are very smiley and surprisingly it was the better looking ones who were the friendly ones. I liked it here. I may need to add this place to my regular LK Metro gogo bars. Who knew I would enjoy my time at Destiny gogo. This is why I go to different gogo bars all the time. Never know where you may find that hidden gem.

Pulse (Saturday night) - Maybe 15 girls here too. 1 was ok for those who like natural Thai looking girls #633? Stayed for a drink. I will return soon I actually liked an odd looking skinny girl here.

Still more of the lesser discussed LK Metro gogo bars to review but I could only take so much before I needed to get my butt to real gogo bars on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2313333]I had considered the flu-like symptoms I was having possibly being unrelated to the runs, but when I told the pharmacist about the fever he said of course it was related as the body was fighting the infection that was causing the runs and fever. But beats me. It could have all been unrelated to Sizzler's, but I had eaten there about 10 to 12 hours before the symptoms started. The only other meal I had that day was breakfast some 20 hours earlier. The hotel does have a salad bar of sorts for breakfast, to include two types of lettuce, and other things that are left out in the open neither refrigerated nor heated. And the bacteria, if that is what is was, may have come form the ice in the drinks on Soi 6 or maybe I didn't rinse my mouth out good enough with bottled water after I brushed my teeth. Who knows?! For a while I was worried, given the flu like symptoms, I had picked up herpes or something! Yikes. But all seems well now and thanks for you all's comments and concerns.

The stuck pill in the throat feeling is not uncommon, only that it was a bit worse and lasted longer than typical. Years ago a had a throat issue and was examined by a radiologist who found an anomaly but as it wasn't causing me problems we didn't do anything. Maybe it is time to have it looked at again. Back then, they found a "pouch" that neither he nor my family doc had seen or heard of before.

To get back on topic, shortly I will be going to pick up my mystery girl for LT. Not sure what we will do, well, you know! Haha Her English isn't the greatest so that will be a challenge, but maybe we will hit WS or who knows. I will try to let her do what she wants. Later.[/QUOTE]Hi Hawk.

Good to catch up with your post. I was in Pattaya in February and wasn't feeling crash hot myself. I was feeling lethargic, lose of appetite, couldn't enjoy my beer, diarrhea and occasional vomiting, constant indigestion and hiccups, and lose of libido. I still had an Ok time but it slowed me down a lot and I wasn't feeling myself at all. This continued when I returned home and after a couple of visits to the doctors I was diagnosed with a parasite! I probably got it water borne as I have been slack lately when in Asia and I have been using tap water to clean my teeth. A course of anti biotics did the job.

Enjoy your trip and I hope your health improves.

Rob.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314383]Decided to hit some of the gogo bars in LK Metro last night that are not discussed on here often and I haven't visited in a while.

[/QUOTE]I thought you were out of town! I have three more days here. Will be on Soi 6 this afternoon.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314475]I thought you were out of town! I have three more days here. Will be on Soi 6 this afternoon.[/QUOTE]How about using the PM function to announce this!

I went to Ruby bar on Soi 6 in the afternoon after noticing they had some really attractive girls. I ended up with Beer (her name), who had caught my eye yesterday. She wore glasses that gave her just a slightly nerdy look, and had a good smile, was slender and she had a really tight butt. Only downside was she had a bit of a mustache. In talking to her she seemed a little reserved but she opened up when we went upstairs with lots of touching and kissing. Her body was firm and her boobs were nice, with nice areolas and nipples, and that great, tight butt! She was nice and when I couldn't come she offered a HJ, but I had her stop as all they do is make my Johnson sore, and I am trying to avoid that this trip.

After that I went to see Jin at Horny bar. I have not seen her in a while, telling her I was not well, and I said I was still weak. She felt my forehead and said I still have a fever. I didn't think I did -but it was a hot day! She sat with me and hung with me and managed to get 4 LD's off of me, saying for me to come back Saturday for boom boom. Well, not sure I will do that. I stayed for at least an hour so she probably deserved the drinks though. Things were still slow however, so I doubt she would have made anything had I not been there.

I was getting hungry and went down to Mama's at the end of 6 and went through the menu but, man, everything seemed so expensive. It is not unique there, even a burrito is 10 bucks at the Mex place I like. I assume this is typical for places around Beach Road and Second Road. I left and went over to the McDonald's but nothing on the menu excited me, but I got a hankering for a crispy chicken sandwich so I went back down toward Soi 7 and checked out Burger King and they had what I wanted. Just wish they had Bar-be-que sauce.

But this is the night I am to LT Secret girl, but when do I pick her up? I could pick her up sooner, and have more time with her, but then what would we do? We can't exactly carry on a marvelous conversation! Or I could pick her up later, but if we manage to hit it off, we would run out of time and the sex at the end would be rushed. Sigh. I figured due to our communications issues that a little later than later than earlier would be better, but as I went to get her, I feared that being later might mean she would have accepted another BF, and even if ST, I would either miss out or have to wait, and taking a girl out who was freshly f'cked would have been a tad bit uncomfortable. But, yeah, I sometimes think to much, but my profession is to think about everything and analyzes all the bad things that could happen. Perhaps I am working overtime here.

I ended up picking her up around 10 PM. I think she had been waiting as when I arrived she and many of the other girls exchanged words and smiles. By this time, they all knew me there and I suppose they share information. I asked what she wanted to do and she had no preference so I asked about WS and she smiled and said sure, saying she had only been there once. She changed her clothes and the other girls seemed to be happy for her. We took a baht bus but the traffic was intense. We finally made it and walked as far as the McDonald's then turned back. She seemed to want to go into Marine Bar. That place, of course, doesn't even begin to get going until 1 AM so I assume this is the place she went after her bar closed. We went upstairs but the club wasn't even open. So we went to I-Bar, but man, I find these places so boring. What do you do, sit and drink while shouting over the music?! Boring. Haha We went upstairs and it still hadn't gotten going yet, thus was equally boring and smoky. I told her about Red Car and at about 11:15 we went there. Not sure if she liked it better or not, but at least no smoke. Same kind of music though clearly an older crowd. Maybe around midnight she indicated she was getting a little tired and ready to leave. Good, me too. But as we passed that live club on the way out, I can't now remember the name, she heard the Thai singers and wanted to go in. Sure. This is probably where we should have come first. Finally some decent music (techno drives me nuts) and she finally got up to dance and show she was having a good time. I am not a dancer by any means but I tried, and as I looked around the club, I was actually one of the few guys who was moving about, while most of the females were. But it was fun and it was nice to see her finally enjoying herself. Only downside is it was reducing our time for sex!

But, she was showing a decent level of affection towards me. She was kissing me and maintaining physical contact and full of smiles. If one didn't know better one might think she had some genuine affection for me. Factually, I now she was having a nice time with the music and all, though I have no doubt she would have enjoyed it more if she was with a younger, handsomer man. But finally it was time to leave and we headed back to my hotel. We showered and went to bed and had another awesome and sensual, if brief, GFE experience.

We curled up together to go to sleep. I remain amazed that these girls can do this with their customers. I cringe at the thought of curly up with a woman of even my age! But even though we drifted apart, she would often come back to re-curl. I woke up at sunrise but it was not until 10:30 or so we both got up. She came down to breakfast with me, only eating a little bit of fried rice. I walked her to Second Road to catch a bus back to work. She remained happy to hold my hand and kissed me before boarding this buss. But she seemed to be a bit distant from me at the same time. There was not quite the same level of affection. I don't know.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2314408] after a couple of visits to the doctors I was diagnosed with a parasite! I probably got it water borne as I have been slack lately when in Asia and I have been using tap water to clean my teeth. [/QUOTE]That's what happens when you eat out girls at Crazy House! Maybe you got it from one of your freebies?

I've never had issues using tap water when brushing my teeth. If anything it's the ice in your bar drinks. Those are killers and can knock you out for weeks.

[QUOTE=FL Hawk;2314478]I was getting hungry and went down to Mama's at the end of 6 and went through the menu but, man, everything seemed so expensive. [/QUOTE]

The food at Mama's is terrible too. Uncle V took me there years ago saying Mama's has good reviews. My pasta was the worst pasta I've ever eaten in my life. He felt so bad he paid for my dinner. Admittedly, last year when MP, Phazze and I bought a pizza and had it delivered to the bar where you were having a session it was pretty good. If you need food on Soi 6 your best option is likely MC Burger in the alley beside Jungle bar. I believe you can order from any of the bars there so you don't even need to leave your seat.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314475]I thought you were out of town! I have three more days here. Will be on Soi 6 this afternoon.[/QUOTE]Nope. Been here the entire time. Sent you a PM around when you arrived and got no reply so just assumed you were ignoring me. Anyways, you know I'm a gogo guy and that doesn't appear to be your choice of venue this trip, other than seeing Noi. I haven't hit Soi 6 all month since this heat wave started, opting for air conditioned G clubs and BJ bars during the day. I even checked out the soapies! Imo been pretty nasty weather here this month but better these last few days. You know I go to gogo bars every night so PM me if you want to meet up. FYI May 1 is Labour Day so you may want to line up one of your girls in advance for that day. Bars may be closed on the National Holiday from as early as midnight on April 30. (My apologies to LeFeu)

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314489]That's what happens when you eat out girls at Crazy House! Maybe you got it from one of your freebies?

I've never had issues using tap water when brushing my teeth. If anything it's the ice in your bar drinks. Those are killers and can knock you out for weeks.
[/QUOTE]I guess you are joking about eating out girls. I don't think that is so risky as breathing in their exhaled viruses.

Food is the most likely source of a parasite, uncooked food, like Sashimi and salads, bad ice possible.

Swimming in bad water in Thailand is very very dangerous. One village guy recently died after wading in bad water with a cut on his leg. Developed a fever and went to hospital a bit late, they could not save him. Not the first guy to die from bad water. In any doubt about water quality, don't put your head under. If an amoeba goes up your nose, it goes to the brain and is fatal. Makes swimming in the sea, much more attractive really, maybe not in the most polluted areas like South Pattaya.

I have a large fish pond/dam, and wading in there to catch fish with a net concerns me a little. I wear some feet protection and I will not put my head under the water, and better not go in if any significant cuts on the legs or body.

Saturday.

After seeing Secret off, I went back to the room and started thinking. Dangerous! I guess her leaving left me a little depressed. I missed her. But I also thought of the Chinese girl and of my Thai GF who I am essentially cheating on even though I have made no commitment or expressed my love to her. But were she to learn I am here she would be heart broken, and I don't mean to hurt anyone. I am sure I would lament my loss of her as well. Like too many men I suppose, we only realize what we have after we lose it.

But in 8 days I am scheduled to go to China, but I am seriously wondering if the girl, my young and pretty tour guide I met on a cruise, is having second thoughts. I have barely heard from her. On April 14 she did ask for me to give her my hotel address so she could "start to plan our tourist route". I did, but since have only received a couple of short messages about how busy she is with work. I still have no idea when or where I will meet up with her or what we might be doing. I have my first two days at a hotel in Beijing booked and that is all the visitation plans I have! She claims to be very busy with work and may not have had time to plan our tourist route yet, but if she is having second thoughts I would rather know NOW than have her text me the day before I am to fly up there to say that she can't do it. Tell me now and I can make other plans, such as maybe see my Thai GF or stay longer in Pattaya to enjoy passionate and wonderful sex with my Pattaya GF!

Update: She did just text me that she has tomorrow off (Sunday), so I am hoping she will find time to work on the tourist plans and let me know when / where we will meet. If she ignores me on Sunday then I will need to consider canceling on the basis she has serious doubts -- and she would probably be wise to cancel! I don't want her to do the trip out of some sense of obligation or whatever and be uncomfortable. I want her happy and to be happy being with me. My primary purpose is to have GF sex with her of course, though the odds are small of that happening I know. Secondary is to simply tour China with a pretty young woman (even if I have to deal with the sexual frustration). If we do the visit and she is tense and visibly distant from me, then that will just be bad.

But yes, the Pattaya Blues came down hard. First, Secret girl is leaving town for two days on Sunday and I am finding I will miss her. Two, my Thai GF is being sweet and sent me a picture of her looking nice and I have to wonder why the heck am I not on a plane to go to her? And third, my hopeful Chinese GF is not being uncommunicative and may cancel or, if not, may turn out to not be so fun. Sigh. What a mess I have made! Haha. But I didn't feel like doing anything. I basically stayed in the hotel all day in a cationic state almost, unable to make any sort of decision. Too many unknowns and not enough equations. Most of you all will condemn me or ridicule me and you are right! Here I am, voluntarily in Pattaya and even if the Chinese girl dumps me, I still have my Thai GF or I can stay in Pattaya and have sex! I mean, are any of you feeling sorry for my predicament and glad you are not in my position! Haha. But I realize I have a fever and headache so I try to rest rather than deal with the issues.

In the evening I realize I need to get out and eat. I walk to CF but nothing in the food court that is halfway healthy and lower calories really appeals to me. I went to the food mart and bought a baked quarter chicken and some greens from their salad bar to eat. I don't care for the way chicken is seasoned here, but I use a fork to tear off chunks of meat so the resulting chicken and salad is acceptable. (Why the heck doesn't KFC sell chicken breasts here? I know Asians prefer dark meat, but this is a tourist area and given the success of the chicken strips, why not?) I actually feel a bit lightheaded as I eat. At least the decision about my meal is a good one. Low calorie, low fat, nothing processed, no carbs.

After dinner I finally make another decision, which is to head to Soi 6. Perhaps with some certainty of what I will do, my head clears and the headache and fever seems to resolve. I thought I would avoid Jin and even Secret girl to enjoy a different woman, but as I was walking down 6 I was paying too much attention to the girls and before I knew it, it was almost at Horny Bar and Jin was out front looking at me. Oh well. I went over and she drew me inside, ready to take me upstairs. I said no and instead we sat and I got my soda water. I limited her to two LDs and said I just wasn't in the mood and soon left her. I then thought "what the heck" and headed to see Secret girl, thinking she might be busy tonight. She wasn't and I think she was a little surprised, but happy, to see me. I went back inside with her and she was her old self. She told me she had a great time with me and liked me dancing with her and the way I was smiling with her. Just words to get me to spend more on her, or were they sincere? Truly, I don't think she is yet sophisticated enough to lie like that yet. I mentioned I thought she was sad or something when she left me that morning and she said she was still waking up. But she is to leave for two days and was bar fining herself to go off duty to sleep early as her aunt was picking her up at 6 AM. I offered to pay her fine if she would come with me for the night where she could sleep in a clean bed in quiet. She readily agreed. She went up to change and came down with some items.

Back at the hotel we showered and prepared for bed. She was affectionate but the purpose here was for her to sleep. She had problems as she is used to going to bed at 3 AM, and I don't think either of us slept well. Her aunt was late but she finally left about 7:30, to return to work Tuesday afternoon. I admit to a small hole developing in my heart as I saw her leave. I only have two more days to be with her before I leave to Bangkok before leaving to China. And, no, I am not falling in love with her. But she is special for me and I will miss her, having to go home to likely months of no sex, especially no GFE sex.

But to summarize, and I am just now realizing this several days later, but I guess I had no sex on this day. I must have, but I have no notes of anything else happening, so I guess this is my second sexless day. Man, I need to reset my brain again. Spending fun times with Secret girl is fine, but not to the total exclusion of others! Guys, I will do better.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314625]She told me she had a great time with me and liked me dancing with her and the way I was smiling with her. Just words to get me to spend more on her, or were they sincere? Truly, I don't think she is yet sophisticated enough to lie like that yet.[/QUOTE]I've read only your 2 last posts so I don't know much about that Secret girl except that she is maybe new to the business but my experience tells me that they can learn very quickly especially when they work in a bar environnement.

I still remember during my first trip there, a girl (not even a bargirl, but rather a middle rated gogo girl) once told me something cute that nobody ever told me in that way. I had the feeling that it was maybe something that she really felt. But a few weeks later a completely different girl (they were not even acquainted) told me the exact same thing, same words and same way of saying it. It was impossible that they expressed these feelings in the exact same way if they were true feelings.

Very few are really sincere when it comes to these kind of talks.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2313820]I am from South India and I've been to Thailand 7 times in the last 3 years and Pattaya has become close to my second home. What baffled me is when I tried to get in to the below bars.

Baccara Agogo. Entry Denied.

Peppermint. Hit and miss.

Skyfall. Entry Denied.

The Dollhouse. Entry Denied.

Every time I try to enter the above bars I will be stopped by the security stating 'Entry for members only' and they never let me in. I understand that they stopped letting Indians into the bar due to a few Indians misbehaving inside the bar and doing their best to show off their cheap Charlie nature. I mean come on, there has to be a way for an Indian to get into Baccara, this bar has been on my bucket list ever since the beginning and unfortunately never had the privilege to enter the bar..[/QUOTE]Here are a few suggestions:

1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.

3. Go to Windmill or Sugar Baby. (I'm assuming they let you in there.) Ask another customer if he can take you to Baccara. Don't ask him right away. (Buy a few ladies drinks first so that the guy knows that you are not a cheap person.) Asians usually do not drink with strangers so you will have more luck with a Westener. Of course, you will have to buy him a drink if the attempt is successful.

4. If you want to try to enter Baccara on your own: Tip the security guard. For you maybe 500 Baht. You need to show him that you are a big spender. If there are 3 security guards, you may have to tip all of them. I know this is getting expensive. But if you really want to get in.

5. Another option is to carry a big wad of cash in your hand. I have seen others do this. (Not in Baccara) Make sure the security guard sees it.

6. If you do succeed in getting in, you need to spend a lot of money so that they remember you. Then hopefully you can enter again the next day and the day after (preferably on your own).

7. Also, do not touch the girls. The rules are different for Indian customers. This is very important.

Good luck!

P.S. This is coming from a guy who has been to Baccara over a dozen times.

P. P.S. Skyfall? You are not missing anything. Baccara is way better.

P. P. P.S. If you try to enter on your own, don't go there when they are busy. Go there late like at 2 AM for your first time.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314625]She claims to be very busy with work and may not have had time to plan our tourist route yet, but if she is having second thoughts I would rather know NOW than have her text me the day before I am to fly up there to say that she can't do it. [/QUOTE]Not sure about flying to China to see a girl who seems less than enthusiastic you are coming. Sorry but busy at work or not if a girl likes you she has time to message you. However, I am certain Beijing has many many sex options. Never read the forum but also sure some of the guys even in this Thailand forum can PM you where to go find girls in Beijing.

Re. Food. Go to Terminal 21 food park rather than Central Festival food park. Re. KFC. Thai KFC have chicken breast.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2314190]Thanks a ton, I will heed your advice and try it out the next time I visit Pattaya. To be frank I did think of this as an option to either approach a Japanese or American guy who was travelling alone for help but was never able to muster the courage to approach them to help me get into a bar.[/QUOTE]By coincidence tonight I saw an Indian guy and his Indian girlfriend try to enter Palace. Behind them were 2 Japanese guys. Security stopped the Indian couple at the door and said they could not enter. Then he looked at the 2 Japanese guys and said are you with them inferring the Indian couple. The 2 Japanese guys said no. Security waived the 2 Japanese guys past the Indian couple. Then security says to the Indian couple 100 baht each to enter. Indian guy starts making a stink. I walked away as they argued so not sure if they paid, got in, or just left. I don't see this stuff often in Pattaya or I don't pay much attention to it.

Hit Windmill first tonight since it's one of the few gogo bars open at 7:30 pm. Got attacked by a skinny girl with no tits named Dada. Sat beside me DFK, hands on action, and stuck my fingers in her pussy. She never asked for a drink. OK I guess since I'm not a Cheap Charlie she deserves at least a drink for all that. Fun girl to play with but no tits is a killer for me.

One annoying old Farang running around grabbing any body part he could on any girl, including the chubby waitress. Girls were actually leaving their seats to get away from him as he was nearing them. Definition of a Cheap Charlie. No drinks. No tips. Just wants free feels. Shameful. Stayed until 8:15 pm and left for better looking girls elsewhere. There was a Japanese guy acting the same way as the Cheap Charlie Farang but at least he was tipping each girl 100 baht. Why do girls prefer Asians over Farang? Hmmmm.

Pin Up. I like this place. The one I wanted tonight was immediately stolen from me by a group of Chinese guys who spotted her on stage before I did. Next time.

Palace. Super packed couldn't even find a seat. Walked around twice. Talked to some girls I know. No seat so no drinks.

Panda. Oddly quiet both men and girls. Again I only went to look for the missing ex-Sapphire girl MP introduced me to. Just as I was thinking maybe tonight was the night I had to become a tourist and hit Sapphire the girl I have been looking for miraculously plops down beside me. TBH I was a bit surprised she even remembered me since it was MP buying her drinks before and not me. She was prettier than I remembered. For me she is in my Top 5 best gogo dancers when you combine looks and personality. Sure the infamous Lala at Panda is better looking but Lala is definitely not fun like this girl from what I can see.

I was going to do a slum night hitting Heaven Above, Yes, Super Girl, Naughty Girls, Catwalk, Crazy House, etc. Tonight but happily ended up getting sidetracked.

FL Hawk. Thanks for another "feet on the street post". You will get no condemnation or ridicule from me. For me and you (and many guys not willing to admit it) spending intimate time with a girl generates emotional connection. It's not all about the sex. Yes, there are sharks amongst the WGs. But there are also some that no matter what you do you will develop some level of feelings for. They are not automatons but real people. And the more time you spend, the harder it is. Shit, when my Brazil girl and I parted ways in London I cried on the plane. How could you not? It's devastating to get so high and have to come down.

You are living your best life right now. Just keep walking that fine line between real life GF with all that baggage and Pure P4 P. It is at the intersection where all the fun is imo.

On China girl my thought is she is trying to let you down easy. My Japanese girl Rika and I corresponded a bunch but in the final analysis she became very busy right before ghosting me.

That said, nothing ventured nothing gained. There is a bar called Maggie's in Beijing where beautiful girls are ready for P4 P take out to your hotel. If your China doll bails just go to Maggie's and drown your sorrows!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314714]Not sure about flying to China to see a girl who seems less than enthusiastic you are coming. Sorry but busy at work or not if a girl likes you she has time to message you.[/QUOTE]Better have plenty of back ups before doing something like that, unless you were going that way anyway. But definitely do not make a special trip. Like I tell the broads I know, if you have time to sit on the toilet, then you have time to send a message.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314507]Swimming in bad water in Thailand is very very dangerous. One village guy recently died after wading in bad water with a cut on his leg. Developed a fever and went to hospital a bit late, they could not save him. Not the first guy to die from bad water. In any doubt about water quality, don't put your head under. If an amoeba goes up your nose, it goes to the brain and is fatal[/QUOTE]Where I live in Isan the villagers avoid going into the ponds and rivers due to the huge amount of pesticides that run off from the fields into these outlets. It is very dangerous as the toxicity is at extreme levels. Makes swimming at Pattaya beach look like the blue lagoon.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2314699]Here are a few suggestions:

1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.[/QUOTE]I am truly grateful for your suggestions. I used to wear a leather jacket and that helped me get into a few bars, but the minute I return to my jeans and t-shirt few of them deny entry maybe that would be the problem, might need to upgrade my wardrobe. I always wanted to try a suit and I own a few elegant suits but never tried to wear it in WS because I felt that wearing a suit there might feel weird or awkward because I've never seen anyone in a suit so far. But, I will give it a shot. My hair is crew cut and have observed that they tend to let me in much quicker if my facial hair is shaved and not so much if I have a moustache. I will also try to talk to a Westerner and strike a deal. I've had experience on how to make sure they remember me after they let me in. This lesson was learnt in Crazy House and I always remember to tip the waiters and the security so that they remember me. I never touch the girls inside the bar, I crank up my shy character so that the girls who approach me feel comfortable when they are trying to make me feel comfortable. I will always respect women wherever. Thank you again for spending your time and jotting down the above pointers and I will make sure to let you know if the mission was successful.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2314037]I was stopped at the door at Baccara and told to order something before entering. I said I want to look inside first. He said this isn't a disco so I got annoyed and left. Don't think I've had that happen before in Thailand. If that's what I had at the door they must push drinks hard inside. I was with another Indian and at red car they wanted 200 at the door. I don't know if that was because it was a Saturday night, we were Indian, or we were 2 single guys (or a combination). Other than that I don't think I've been denied entry.

P.S. Don't make excuses for their racism. I know you think you're being reasonable by trying to understand their point of view but all you end up doing is perpetuating those stereotypes. You say you are well dressed, clean, and smell good but was denied entry. The only factor remaining is Indian.[/QUOTE]I've experienced this 'order something before entering the bar' thing in Nana Plaza a lot, but this is fine by me as long as they let me in. They usually let me in if I am alone, but if two Indians (for example my travel buddy) try to enter together, not sure what hell breaks loose, they deny entry to the same bar which I entered my last trip alone. I am planning my next solo trip again to Thailand, fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2314699]Here are a few suggestions:

1. You say you dress well. What does that mean? Try wearing a black suit with a white dress shirt and a nice pair of dress shoes. This will make you look professional.

2. Make sure your hair is short and neat. And no facial hair whatsoever. Don't wear any jewelry like a big gold necklace. You don't want to look like a pimp.

3. Go to Windmill or Sugar Baby. (I'm assuming they let you in there.) Ask another customer if he can take you to Baccara. Don't ask him right away. (Buy a few ladies drinks first so that the guy knows that you are not a cheap person.) Asians usually do not drink with strangers so you will have more luck with a Westener. Of course, you will have to buy him a drink if the attempt is successful..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about this entry refusal. It's a pain I'm sure. I'm Indian too and waiting till it happens to me but so far never denied entry as yet. I always go solo, no fancy clothes but clean and always in confidently as if I own the place. Once a guard started to say something in Pattaya but I gave him some BS answer that I'm from Mexico or California or something I don't remember now. But never a problem in BKK. In fact others in Baccara were all being told to get a drink but I just looked at pointed at the white dude (Bob?) sitting at the entrance who recognized me & just waved me in. Upstairs the mamasans are all smiles. I guess I have a lookalike heavy spender and reaping the benefits maybe. I'm not especially a fan of Gogo bars but may go there early in the evenings to get a couple of drinks before hitting the action in the clubs. I have barfined a few times from Baccara, rainbow in nana and also billboard.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2314782]I've experienced this 'order something before entering the bar' thing in Nana Plaza a lot, but this is fine by me as long as they let me in. They usually let me in if I am alone, but if two Indians (for example my travel buddy) try to enter together, not sure what hell breaks loose, they deny entry to the same bar which I entered my last trip alone. I am planning my next solo trip again to Thailand, fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]The other night, I was hunting alone on Walking Street and had success. First at around 8:00, I tried the Crazy House where there was a small stature's girl who was about half the size of the others who wanted me to buy her a drink. I tried to get her to sit with me for free, but she said she had to go upstairs and dance. I saw another hot girl and asked about sex and it was too bad she was menstruating at the time. There were plenty of other stunners, but the club was to small and dark so I left to find a better place. Next up was the Palace which was across the way. I was stopped at the door because the doorman told me it was a special party. I glanced inside and the girls were wearing special outfits. He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me. After I paid him my entrance fee, he lead me inside and sat me at the VIP area near the door by the deejay. I saw the hottest stunner a 9 or 10, in there and bought her a few drinks. I stayed at the party until they had an excellent modeling show to which the girls took off their tops. I asked the stunner how much to take her out to which she said that she was only a promo girl and not for take out. Just my luck, I wished she would have told me earlier. She then went upstairs to the dressing room to smoke. No other girls talked to me because maybe they respected my stunner girl that much and was intimidated I was in the VIP section. It was about 9:30 already, so I left to find some food and ended up grabbing a very hot and sexy girl off Beach Road for 1500. She could have easily gone for 3000 or more if she worked at the go go bars because it's rare you see tall girls with light skin outside of the clubs. Back in the room, she told me that she started to get stomach cramps from walking and couldn't have sex. So I ended up accepting a quick shoulder massage, followed by a blow job and hand job to finish. All for 1000 baht. Not bad for a first time Indian to Pattaya. So don't worry about being Indian traveling alone chum, you van still get the stunners and VIP treatment.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2314774] I always wanted to try a suit and I own a few elegant suits but never tried to wear it in WS because I felt that wearing a suit there might feel weird or awkward because I've never seen anyone in a suit so far. But, I will give it a shot. My hair is crew cut and have observed that they tend to let me in much quicker if my facial hair is shaved [/QUOTE]

No no no. DO NOT wear a suit to Pattaya gogo bars. imo it will come across as someone trying way too hard not to mention you will be boiling hot. This may be ok in Bangkok as girls may think you are getting off work but no one wears a suit in Pattaya, not even the guys selling suits.

AFAIK being unshaven and having facial hair is not attractive for most Thai girls. I point out some guys who look like Duck Dynasty to girls and I can see them cringe.

[QUOTE=Falcon 95;2314699] If you try to enter on your own, don't go there when they are busy. Go there late like at 2 AM for your first time.[/QUOTE]

Or go when the bar first opens. Baccara opens at 7:30 pm and girls trickle in over the next hour.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860] there was a small stature's girl who was about half the size of the others who wanted me to buy her a drink. I tried to get her to sit with me for free, but she said she had to go upstairs and dance. [/QUOTE]There's an upstairs at Crazy House in Pattaya? Maybe this is where Rob Jones has been finding his hot girls?

Of course she left you. Why would she want to sit with you for free?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860] Next up was the Palace which was across the way. I was stopped at the door because the doorman told me it was a special party. I glanced inside and the girls were wearing special outfits. He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me. After I paid him my entrance fee, he lead me inside and sat me at the VIP area near the door by the deejay[/QUOTE]There was no special party. Palace girls often wear matching outfits. There are always topless models at Palace with their first set starting right after 9 pm. Being near the DJ area is not the VIP area. It's a regular seat.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860] I saw another hot girl and asked about sex and it was too bad she was menstruating at the time. <snip> I asked the stunner how much to take her out to which she said that she was only a promo girl and not for take out.[/QUOTE]Although possible the girl was on her period it was likely an excuse because she wasn't interested in being barfined by you. If MP were still around he could confirm this but we only know of a single girl at Palace who does not barfine. Chances are literally 100 to 1 that this was not the girl you sat with. The promo girl excuse was a line.

Don't mean to sound harsh but my post is to educate new guys. Pattaya is not Bangkok, I've seen Farang, Asian, and Indian guys get rejected in Pattaya gogo bars all the time. I appreciate your review, ElMexicant.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860] He told me there was a 500 entrance fee and one drink minimum to which was no problem for me [/QUOTE]I guess if you have the coin then go for it. I have witnessed some ordinary behaviour by many nationalities but you Indian guys really get a bad rap. I'm not sure if it's because of the one girl for five guys chat or a misunderstanding that the middle Eastern men are Indian? I personally think that I have seen The Middle eastern Mongers display shitter form than you guys.

Being a Farang who has been on the end of "Thainess" pricing I can side with you in regards to the greedy Thai. But as you have reported if you are prepared to drop cash then you will get what you want. Others on here have different views but in this country everything has a price and is easily obtainable within reason. 500 THB is very high though. 300 THB and the BS drink policy would suffice IMO.

Secret girl left for several days off with family. I am hoping Chinese girl will get back with me about some plans and arrangements as she has the day. I begin to contemplate canceling my 3 days in Bangkok and just staying in Pattaya, and if I don't gain confidence from China girl I will call up my Thai GF and try to spend the remaining time with her. So, with some decisions made I find my spirits getting better and the blues lifting, along with my health. I devote considerable time to these reports and don't leave the hotel for Soi 6 until mid-afternoon.

Arriving on Soi 6 around 2:30 PM I noticed a fairly cute girl outside Sexy in the City. One of the other girls who saw me looking called me over and encouraged me to take that girl, saying she was new. The girl, Gif, did not look like the typical Issan girl. I said Hello, and the girl revealed some pretty decent English as well as some personality and confidence. I took her inside to chat and learned she is from Bangkok and was a university student. She is in Pattaya to make some money for school, though it appears her parents are not exactly destitute. She was thrilled to learn I was from the USA and she expressed her great desire to go to California to visit Disneyland. I said she should go to Orlando. She mentioned that she had tried for a visa but despite being a student and have 300,000 cash in the bank she was denied. Yikes. That did not bode well from my Thai GF getting in. But she joked about me getting her a marriage visa but that she would leave me after she gets in. I joked back that I might not let her go! The girl was certainly attractive with nice legs and decent enough figure, but not beautiful. I guess she looked like the college girl next door whose personality and looks certainly made you lust after her. She claimed to be 20 and I believe it. She was not concerned about my age. I enjoyed chatting with her but she was not there to chat. So I finally bar fined her at the rate of 400 for the bar and the standard 1,000 for her.

The upstairs decor was not the worst, but we were in a tiny room that barely held a small, one-person bed with a shower and toilet crammed in. She started to help me undress and when my pants were down she started a decent BJ. That was a first for me. A BJ during pants removal. That got my Johnson's full attention. But we resumed the undressing, helping each other remove out close. She skipped the shower and we got straight to the action. She laid back with legs handing off the side of the bed and I put on a condom and entered her. She was not particularly wet so I broke out the lube I had fortunately brought with me today which made it better. She was making lots of sounds that just seemed to fake and the whole session was going south and I was wondering what the heck was happening? She had been so delightful downstairs and now I just wasn't feeling is mentally nor physically. We did several positions but it just wasn't working. I finally gave up but, to her credit, she climbed on top of me and rode me hard in cowgirl until she collapsed. There was no sympathy for me (no come) and we headed to she shower where she cleaned me up nicely. So, yeah, we didn't hit if off sexually but I guess I can't fault her performance too much, other than the faked moans. Neither of us said anything more about her coming to America with me, and I did not raise the issue of us sharing emails in case she got her visa and wanted me to show her Orlando's attractions. As I write this I am still a bit confused as to how things went downhill even though the sex, in retrospect, was actually that bad I guess. But really, she was a delight to talk to at the beginning, but ended up like being, well, just another Soi 6 girl at the end. Strange. But, well, an 8 perhaps for face, a 7 to 8 on body and I guess 7 for performance.

I left and proceeded west before being called over by Oi from Foxy. The name was familiar and she said we have seen either other, but I have no recollection. She was a larger girl, close to being chubby, and I can't imagine she was a top choice of mine in the past. She recalled me from around New Years, but I have never been in during such a time. She is either lying to get me to go with her again, or has me mixed up with someone else, or maybe has her time confused. I don't know and I am not going to go back and check records now. She was pleasant with good English but I left, not being interested.

I left but didn't want to proceed much farther west with Horny Bar up ahead and Jin (I am bad), so exited via Soi 6/1. I decided to head down to Soi 13/3 to search for the Kitten club that was discussed on ISG today. I took the bus down but couldn't find the club, so I went to 13/1 to Supinida massage and Aom. I didn't bother with the "special" this time, and got a more complete massage this time with no sexual activity. I gave her 300 tip. I was hoping she might have offered FS but she didn't. I don't know that I will see again. But if you guys want a steady, decent BJ from a sweet girl, you may wish to try her out. She is not a tiny girl, but not exactly overweight with an almost classically beautiful face and certainly easy to look at.

I walked to Central Festival for dinner, repeating my buying a quarter chicken and some salid stuff in the food market and eating there. I was expecting to lose some inches in the waist while here but I cannot tell I have slimmed down at all, despite I now eating fewer fewer, and burning more, calories. Oh well. After dinner I returned to the hotel to write this stuff down before I forget.

I acknowledge I have been pretty much ignoring the Walking Street gogos. Part of this is that I know the odds of finding a girl who gives a fraction of the performance I am getting on Soi is low. However, there are more hotties there than on Soi 6 and I am quite willing to spend the extra bucks to have a hottie. So, I do want to go back to WS to bar fine a hottie. Perhaps the fact I am going alone rather than with Monkey Paw and / or Banana Boy is inhibiting me. More fun to go to gogo with a friend than alone.

Anyway, after dinner I headed back to Soi 6 and met Aung at Playgirls. Nice face but the rest of her wasn't the greatest and her English was very poor and there was simply no connection between us. I finally said I needed to leave and got out of there. I next went to Kawaii Bar and met the delightful Eve. She was tall, 30, had some curves who I decided to bar fine as an experiment. That is, she was a larger-framed girl and I could tell she had some flab with smallish boobs, but I liked the curves and her personality and I wondered how things might go with her even though she was not quite my preferred type. Well, my instincts were correct for sure, as she was a BJ expert. She got me so close as she kept going on and on with such joy. She must love giving blow jobs as she smiled and laughed and tried really hard to get me off. Regular sex was fine and as she appeared to have fun I had fun. No success, but not her fault. And no, not a beauty, but a great personality with decent English that made her fun.

After her I went on down the Horny Bar to see Jin. Jin was starting her period and was not feeling well. She was going to bar fine herself at 11 PM so upstairs to sleep. I let her get 2 lady drinks before I left, but she was in some pain and the loudness of the music was not helping. Poor girl.

I went back to Soi 7/8, ate a sandwich at Subway, then decided to visit one of the bars close to Second Road. I let a spinner drag me in, but when she started speaking it was with with most abrasive voice to where I couldn't stand to listen. Heck, she might have been a ladyboy, but I hightailed it out of there then went back to my hotel.

So today, I had college girl Gif at Sexy in the City and Eve from Kawaii for a delightful time with a more average-looking woman. And no, I did not hear back from China girl. She had the whole day free (not that she wasn't busy) to at least acknowledge me. (But more to come.).

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314924] I decided to head down to Soi 13/3 to search for the Kitten club that was discussed on ISG today. I took the bus down but couldn't find the club[/QUOTE]Decided to Google this place. Soi 13/3 as we all know is better known as PattayaLand aka Boyz Town where all the gay bars are. Obviously this is why I had never been to Kitten Club! It appears Kitten Club is in the Penthouse Hotel in an alley joining Soi 13/3 and Soi 13/4. Here is their web page. [URL]https://www.penthousehotel.com/cats_niteclub/kitten_bar.htm[/URL].

However, I found another web site indicating Kitten Club CLOSED down on April 7, 2017! No idea of the accuracy of this site. [URL]http://www.pattayasweethearts.com/closedclubs.htm[/URL].

I know ISG guys stay at Penthouse Hotel as the hotel name keeps coming up on the Pattaya Hotels thread. I had no idea until now it was right smack in the middle of Boyz Town. Are there actual female gogo bars there? I had just assumed it was all gay or ladyboy bars.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2314924]
I decided to head down to Soi 13/3 to search for the Kitten club that was discussed on ISG today. I took the bus down but couldn't find the club, [/QUOTE]I think the OP meant the Kittens Bar in soi 13/2.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314955]I know ISG guys stay at Penthouse Hotel as the hotel name keeps coming up on the Pattaya Hotels thread. I had no idea until now it was right smack in the middle of Boyz Town. Are there actual female gogo bars there? I had just assumed it was all gay or ladyboy bars.[/QUOTE]It was Soi 13/4. Penthouse had 1 gogo with LB and another with just women. Classroom Agogo is right there on the corner of 2nd Road. Although I think it is just more of a bar these days. I know a few chicks that work there and they are all over 35. I think Oil is even 49.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2314991]It was Soi 13/4. Penthouse had 1 gogo with LB and another with just women. Classroom Agogo is right there on the corner of 2nd Road. Although I think it is just more of a bar these days. I know a few chicks that work there and they are all over 35. I think Oil is even 49.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the Pattaya Softball 2nd Season opener is this Sunday May 5th, 12:30 pm at The School. I heard rumors that the Hooters girls will be at the opening?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314912]No no no. DO NOT wear a suit to Pattaya gogo bars. imo it will come across as someone trying way too hard not to mention you will be boiling hot. This may be ok in Bangkok as girls may think you are getting off work but no one wears a suit in Pattaya, not even the guys selling suits.

AFAIK being unshaven and having facial hair is not attractive for most Thai girls. I point out some guys who look like Duck Dynasty to girls and I can see them cringe.

Or go when the bar first opens. Baccara opens at 7:30 pm and girls trickle in over the next hour.[/QUOTE]Phew! Disaster averted. I'll skip the suit and go in with something from the party wear collection, nothing too flashy just enough to make my outlook decent.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2315036]Phew! Disaster averted. I'll skip the suit and go in with something from the party wear collection, nothing too flashy just enough to make my outlook decent.[/QUOTE]Your fellow countrymen have definitely left a bad taste that will take undoing on your part. When pillow talking with girls from the UK to Japan, the conversation is always the same — they like Indians least as customers. While they might mention odor, they ALWAYS mention in-bed behavior as being aggressive and rude. Like all stereotypes YMMV, but being gentle and respectful will be a pleasant surprise for the girl and do your countrymen proud.

Dragged FL Hawk around the WS gogo bars tonight. Hit so many even I lost track. Some like Palace and Panda we didn't stay since we couldn't even find a seat. Japanese Golden Week is in FULL effect now.

Some things of interest.

Simon Complex. Utopia Bar the final bar on the right hand side. I'm guessing 20-25 girls crammed in that tiny bar. Most young and not half bad looking either. Was a bit muggy tonight and zero chance I was going to sit in an outside bar. Couldn't have been more than 10 customers in all of Simon Complex. Most bars had no customers at all and this was about 10 pm.

Yes! Agogo. Oh the horror! FL Hawk seemed very confused why my girl dragged him in to Yes! I think FL was a bit scared tbh.

Sugarbaby. I was afraid FL was going to stay here but I'm happy to confirm FL's eyesight is just fine. No idea how guys can spend any money on any girl here no matter how skanky they are. Makes Windmill girls look great. BTW Windmill was awful tonight.

Pin Up - #217 and #235. A pair of long legged thin blondes. They stand out even at Pin Up. I preferred 235 and FL preferred 217. Unfortunately, my girl's friend came and cockblocked FL and we weren't quick enough before a Japanese guy grabbed the pair. These 2 need to go work at Palace.

Tee Rak. Still no idea why no guys go here. The lineup isn't that bad if you ignore a few uglies. Not top end girls but no reason the place should be so empty.

Lighthouse. Really don't know why I don't go to Lighthouse more consistently. Always seem to find at least one gem in there. Instantly fell for a girl. Super small waist with flared hips. Pretty face. Cute smile. FL bailed on me. I wasn't leaving this girl so quickly. Will be back regularly. Potential to be a new Top 5 girl.

BTW does anyone know the whereabouts of a tallish skinny Ding Dong girl named May who worked at Bypass. Haven't seen her for a long time. Lots of laughs with her. She's the blonde one on the right.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2315133]Your fellow countrymen have definitely left a bad taste that will take undoing on your part. When pillow talking with girls from the UK to Japan, the conversation is always the same they like Indians least as customers. While they might mention odor, they ALWAYS mention in-bed behavior as being aggressive and rude. Like all stereotypes YMMV, but being gentle and respectful will be a pleasant surprise for the girl and do your countrymen proud.[/QUOTE]You are not the only one to feel this way, I've seen some truly horrible and disgraceful things done by my own countrymen in Thailand. Its because of a few bad fish that the entire country has been put to shame. Every girl I've been with reiterated the same thing, Indians are cheap, bad odour and rude to everyone. Not all Indians are the same, I've met many who behave well in public and do not display those characteristics. At the time of saying goodbye to the girls, majority of them comment that I was able to change the way they think of Indian men and that they started to believe there are good people who respect and care about others. The girls will be thrilled to see me again because I am a hopeless romantic and I keep things in the bed passionate and gentle and they love it.

My urge to all my fellow Indians, let us change this impression and do our best to improve our reputation in other Countries. I understand this cannot be done overnight, it may even take another generation to fix this but lets move ahead one step at a time.

P.S: Some of you might feel that I may be selling out my own country, but I've witnessed the hard truth on several occasions and it was heartbreaking. I've seen people from other countries do disgraceful things in public in Thailand, but that is something which is not in our control. Let us do our best to improve and who knows, we may inspire others to improve.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860]So don't worry about being Indian travelling alone chum, you van still get the stunners and VIP treatment.[/QUOTE]During the 7 times I've been to Thailand, 5 times I have travelled alone and I loved it. The journey make me feel exhilarated and we do get stunners, but it is on my wish list to get into Baccara at least once, just to experience the view of the top glass floor full of hot girls dancing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315142]Snip. Yes! Agogo. Oh the horror! FL Hawk seemed very confused why my girl dragged him in to Yes! I think FL was a bit scared tbh.

Snip. Pin Up - #217 and #235. A pair of long legged thin blondes. They stand out even at Pin Up. I preferred 235 and FL preferred 217. Unfortunately, my girl's friend came and cockblocked FL and we weren't quick enough before a Japanese guy grabbed the pair. These 2 need to go work at Palace.

Snip. Lighthouse. Really don't know why I don't go to Lighthouse more consistently. Always seem to find at least one gem in there. Instantly fell for a girl. Super small waist with flared hips. Pretty face. Cute smile. FL bailed on me. I wasn't leaving this girl so quickly. Will be back regularly. Potential to be a new Top 5 girl.
Snip.[/QUOTE]I am puzzled as to why you would go gogo bar hopping with a girl. It appears to have prevented you bar fining the Lighthouse girl.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2315272]I am puzzled as to why you would go gogo bar hopping with a girl. It appears to have prevented you bar fining the Lighthouse girl.[/QUOTE]I didn't take a girl bar hopping. Girl who dragged FL in to Yes! was a gogo girl I know who we ran into on Walking Street. I told her to walk FL to Yes! so she grabbed his arm and dragged him there. The girl at Pin Up was just a gogo girl who I bought a lady drink for. I had promised her the night before I would come back to see her the next day.

I don't barfine gogo girls the day I meet them. Since I live here I don't feel the need to. I think 7000 baht is too expensive for a girl I have only known for an hour or less.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2314782]I've experienced this 'order something before entering the bar' thing in Nana Plaza a lot, but this is fine by me as long as they let me in. They usually let me in if I am alone, but if two Indians (for example my travel buddy) try to enter together, not sure what hell breaks loose, they deny entry to the same bar which I entered my last trip alone. I am planning my next solo trip again to Thailand, fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]I actually decided to check inside a couple days ago. I didn't want to deal with being stopped at the door so I just went right up to the guy and asked Do I order here? He looked at me like I was crazy and just said no go order inside. I went in and it seemed really busy but only waited about a minute to get a seat.

Yesterday I saw a girl outside a bar on Soi 6 (offshore) and we made eye contact and she smiled so I decided to head back later. When I got there I couldn't see her so I grabbed a drink with someone else. Stayed about 30 minutes and then headed out. She was sweet and I liked her so I said maybe I'd come back later. Aren't they use to everyone saying this? Came back later and saw the original girl outside and went up to her because I wanted to ask her for her name. While I did this there was an old bat behind her screeching that this wasn't the same girl that I drank with earlier. I get her name and go back to my room to do something before heading back. I see her again and go up to her and ask her if she wants a LD. While I do this the same old goat behind her starts bleating that it's a different girl and the one I drank with earlier was to the right. Because of that the girl looks very uncomfortable and denies me (which I think is a fair assumption). I say Hi to the girl the woman was directing me towards and pretend like I didn't see her earlier and the woman laughs. I did like the girl and she asked if I wanted to sit with her but I said no and went back to my room and fell asleep (back home I go to sleep at 3 am but here I've been getting tired around midnight). I'm assuming that old crow owns the bar and she just cost herself a ST (possibly LT) barfine yesterday. I walk around a lot before sitting to avoid stuff like this but then the girls always comment they see me walking around so I get a bit self conscious about it. If I see her again I'll test the waters but I may just give that bar a wide berth now despite hitting it off with the girl there. It was definitely undone when I tried to get the other girl a drink and there is the matter of that old banshee roaming around. If anyone else has any stories of "jealousy" (for lack of a better word) from bargirls when you buy another girl a drink I'd enjoy reading them. I did feel a little bad but it's my $$$ here.

Earlier this week I paid LT barfine (700) for a girl and she was coughing a little bit (big red flag but I ignored it) but said she was okay. We went out to a disco for a little while and then back to the room where she complained about stomach pains. I told her if she wasn't comfortable fucking tonight that's fine but I don't want to pay the full LT price if we only did it once. She said I was crazy and she only has sex 1 time during LT. After hearing that I just said I'll give you 500 and you can go now so she said okay. Between the barfine, payment, and drinking I was out 1800 but that's what I get for letting my guard down and not ironing out all the details beforehand.

On the other hand Pat at Full Moon Bar was great. Drank with her twice and did ST once. DFK, BBBJ, and afterwards she lied with me instead of kicking me out immediately. I think the only thing I asked was if kissing was okay. There are prettier girls for sure but she is attractive, great service, and nice. She kept asking me to take her LT but the BF is 1000. Her English is okay.

A week down and honestly it didn't go as well as I'd hoped but now I'll chalk it up as a learning experience. This is only my second time here and the first time was only a few days. I'm use to BKK where you just walk in and choose a girl at an MP. No muss, no fuss. Rarely have any problems there.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314955]Decided to Google this place. Soi 13/3 as we all know is better known as PattayaLand aka Boyz Town where all the gay bars are. Obviously this is why I had never been to Kitten Club! It appears Kitten Club is in the Penthouse Hotel in an alley joining Soi 13/3 and Soi 13/4. Here is their web page. [URL]https://www.penthousehotel.com/cats_niteclub/kitten_bar.htm[/URL].

However, I found another web site indicating Kitten Club CLOSED down on April 7, 2017! No idea of the accuracy of this site. [URL]http://www.pattayasweethearts.com/closedclubs.htm[/URL].

I know ISG guys stay at Penthouse Hotel as the hotel name keeps coming up on the Pattaya Hotels thread. I had no idea until now it was right smack in the middle of Boyz Town. Are there actual female gogo bars there? I had just assumed it was all gay or ladyboy bars.[/QUOTE]Yes Kitten club closed, penthouse hotel is known to be infested with roaches, used to be popular back in the day then started getting horrible reviews mostly because of roaches and owners wife being a ****, a old hooker I think! Do not stay their!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315307]I didn't take a girl bar hopping. Girl who dragged FL in to Yes! was a gogo girl I know who we ran into on Walking Street. I told her to walk FL to Yes! so she grabbed his arm and dragged him there. The girl at Pin Up was just a gogo girl who I bought a lady drink for. I had promised her the night before I would come back to see her the next day.

I don't barfine gogo girls the day I meet them. Since I live here I don't feel the need to. I think 7000 baht is too expensive for a girl I have only known for an hour or less.[/QUOTE]I think 7,000 baht is too much for a girl I've known for six years.

From a Japanese gogo bar site. Their ranking to some gogo bars in Pattaya. No idea what these numbers are based off of. Surprised to see Windmill so high because I rarely see Japanese guys there.

Happy 75.172.
Baccara 73.603.
Palace 71.55.
Panda 59.62.
Windmill 58.076.
Sensations 57.157.
Peppermint 55.568.
Fahrenheit 54.649.
Baccara 2nd floor 54.47.
Glass house 53.5111.
Skyfall 51.5412.
Kink 50.0413.
Sapphire 48.441.
Pin up 46.2915.
Champagne 46.1016.
Tantra 43.6817.
Shark club 42.9418.
Crazy house 40.7419.
Dolls 38.9120.
Queen club 38.08.

Anyone know a Korean site? I'd like to compare.

Why is the 2nd floor for Baccara ranked so much lower? I should have peeked upstairs when I was there. They wear more clothes? More westerners?

LK Metro gogo bars and bars all open. So much for closing for this particular National Holiday.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315142]BTW does anyone know the whereabouts of a tallish skinny Ding Dong girl named May who worked at Bypass. Haven't seen her for a long time. Lots of laughs with her. She's the blonde one on the right.[/QUOTE]I know that at least one lady and the mamasan moved from Bypass to MJ kitty agogo in Soi 6. I was there about 4 weeks ago.

They may have info.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315430]From a Japanese gogo bar site. Their ranking to some gogo bars in Pattaya. No idea what these numbers are based off of. Surprised to see Windmill so high because I rarely see Japanese guys there.
[/QUOTE]Can be very important to know the basis for a rating. Read one Farang article rating Cowboy and Nana bars, and was surprised that price of a beer was a very big factor in which were the best bars. LOL.

Surely having pretty or ugly girls would matter? Maybe whether the music was actually music and could be danced to (or the car alarm stuff some guy mentioned)? Lighting? Can we actually see the girls faces? Pressure from staff or relaxed mode? I don't really care about drink prices if there are no attractive girls worth looking at. BF prices matter more. If I go to gogo bars, surely I am looking for girl to fuck most times. Some of my buddies could not stay in a bar more than a few minutes because the music was too loud for them to tolerate. Occasionally happened to me too. So is the DJ good or a complete dickhead?

It is very clear to me, we each rate bars in very different ways. Hopefully they just asked rate bars in order of favourite to least favourite, if they don't explain the points system.

On 1st May. I think it is mainly holidays that relate to Buddhist events, elections and those that relate to the King, where alcohol cannot be sold and bars close. So Labour day is clearly not that. The workers surely want to drink and party.

So we have these 3 religious closures coming up (alcohol cannot be sold): Wisakha Bucha (18 May but supposedly to be observed on Mon 20 May instead ), Asalaha Bucha 16 Jul, Khao Phansaa (start of Buddhist Lent) 17 July. Does not mean MPs will close. Can line up your girls by phone chat. Stock the fridge with alcohol.

13 Oct passing of the late King is a definite closure (in my mind - but I could be wrong). No. 1 importance attached to that. Many girls may not want to work.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2315434]Why is the 2nd floor for Baccara ranked so much lower? I should have peeked upstairs when I was there. They wear more clothes? More westerners?[/QUOTE]They're all topless on the 2nd floor of Baccara whereas only maybe 25% topless in the main bar. Second floor A LOT more hands on. No it's still pretty much 100% Asian upstairs too. Drink prices the same. Main difference are the quality of the girls. They're not nearly as pretty upstairs. Still better than Windmill and Crazy House and similar bars but it's night and day when you look at the quality of the top girls downstairs vs. Upstairs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315863]They're all topless on the 2nd floor of Baccara whereas only maybe 25% topless in the main bar. Second floor A LOT more hands on. No it's still pretty much 100% Asian upstairs too. Drink prices the same. Main difference are the quality of the girls. They're not nearly as pretty upstairs. Still better than Windmill and Crazy House and similar bars but it's night and day when you look at the quality of the top girls downstairs vs. Upstairs.[/QUOTE]Last March, I visited Baccara everyday for a week. There was this dancer I saw on the first floor stage. Her number was #73. A light-skinned slim babe with breast augmentation. (Hair dyed blonde also) Anyway, one day, I visit Baccara again. I do not see #73 on the first floor. So I look up through the see-through glass floor. To my surprise, #73 is dancing on the second floor. I must having been staring at the second floor the whole time because one of the first floor dancers right in front of me smiled and said to me, "Later, I dance upstairs!" (Translation: Later, you can stare at my nice ass just like you've been staring at #73's ass for the last 10 minutes! My beer is almost finished so the waiter asks me if I want another one. I say, sure, so I'm enjoying my second beer when I notice #73 is back dancing on the first floor.

Another day, I'm in Tantra during happy hour. This place has lighting that is a little too dark for me. Anyway, I notice a nice-looking coyote dancer. Looks a little shy. I say to myself, if she were a little taller, she would be a model. The next day, I go to Tantra again. This time I go there late after midnight. The model line-up is a little thin, which is to be expected after midnight. Then I notice the coyote dancer from the night before. But tonight she is in her lingerie dancing with the models.

Conclusion: At least for both Baccara and Tantra, the routine seems to be flexible, which makes business sense.

I did hear from China girl and she said she had already bought her travel ticket and would be in Beijing next Monday at 11 AM. Well, I arrive at the airport a bit after 1 AM and probably won't get to the hotel until close to 3 AM, so this fine. I don't here to arrive Sunday and have to wait for me to arrive during the wee hours, so this works out fine. So, things for my last week of travel are starting to work out.

So, I hit Soi 6 around 2:30 and as I have not been to My Friend You for a while, and eying a semi-attractive woman over there, I head over. Last time I was there I found a very energetic lady who literally blew me away. I saw her twice as a result, once downstairs in the BJ room then upstairs for FS. I am now some 3 days beyond my last come and I know I am due. I can wait another day as Secret will be back and I am sure she can do the job, but I still have never come via oral with a Thai girl or with anyone in over 7 years, so I am willing to let a pro take a shot. But I go over and that the women I saw take me to the bar for my soda water. Her name was Tae. She was reasonably attractive, maybe early 30's, ok face, figure and legs. Not really my type but pretty enough overall. However, after we went to the bar, I saw a couple of others who more attractive and younger, but that is how it goes. We were setting by the bar tender / mamasan who was funny. While both admitted this was BJ bar they still pushed me to go to a room (300 BF) and that is what we did. She was a happy woman and she gave a good performance. No come, of course, but she showed caring and was sad she couldn't get me off. We had a funny moment when it was time for a condom. I used hers (I am running low on mine), a Chinese condom. She handed it to me to open, and as soon as I ripped it open she said No and handed me a different one she said was Large size. Hmmm, ok. I opened it then she took it to roll on and it was indeed larger and fit me somewhat losely but after we got going it seemed to work ok. Tae was quite energetic and really tried to get me off, but after a while things started to feel different down there. I stopped to look and the condom was slipping off of me! I stopped and we both rushed to the shower. I just decided to end the session then. She was good but nothing more was going to happen. I would give her face a 6, body a 6 and performance an 8. Nice lady, good personality and reasonable English. Let me add that she started a BJ in the shower when we started, and as we were cleaning up she finished with a light BJ. Nice.

I left and proceeded down Soi 6 and at Quickie Bar see Nam, who gave me a couple of PSE's last year. She is reasonably pretty, petite with a really firm body and hand-full boob. I decided to try her out again so I went inside and we sat for a while. Her personability did not come out, and two hot girls came out who I think I will go back to inquire about, but I stuck with Nam based on past experience. But let me comment about the bar. It was trash. It is way past needing a paint job and most of the stools were well warn. I wondered how the upstairs would be and it wasn't as bad as I feared. She did not repeat last year's experience but I did enjoy her firm, tight body. Face 7 maybe, body 8-1/2 and performance 7. 5 maybe.

I next exited Soi 6 via 6/1, but then re-entered from the beach side where I saw a young, hot spinner at Wrath. She was a tiny girl, looked 20, in a very pretty yellow desk that accentuated her dark skin. Wow. I had her come over and we tried to talk but mostly had to use Google Translate. I wanted her, and she accepted my offer to go upstairs. But she, Som, was a bit distant (ok if she hot I suppose). With her clothes off I could tell she was a mommie, and she had a large scar over her right appendix. But other than that she wa a tiny beauty. And she knew she was a beauty and thus was pretty much a star fish. She did nothing to encourage me. I was hapy to give her a massage and even played a little with her pussy, but she just lied there. I had to play a bit with myself to get hard enough to be able to enter her. Fortunately I was able to get fully hard inside her, but the overall experience was not good. I banged her good and hard from behind but no chance of coming with her. Sad. She seemed to feel almost like she was too good to even give me a shower, letting me do most of it myself. I gave no tip to Som. She should be on WS.

I walked past Halifax and those who I knew there tried to get me to come over but I didn't. I was hungry but decided to finaly eat that burger at Mama's. It was actully pretty good and that burger was huge! The meat was quite thick and juicy and I have to admit the price was reasonable givin what I got.

I left and went back to the hotel to write down a preliminary report and clean up my still unposted reports. By then it was getting late and I really didn't feel like going out. But, today I did 3 girls. Tae and My Frind You, Nam again at Quickie Bar and the disappointing Som at Wrath. Tomorrow Secret will be back and I am thinking of long timing her.

I have not been to all the gogo bars in Pattaya. Has anyone? Anyway, one night, I felt a little lost. I didn't want to go to the same bars again. So I ventured in to Atlantis agogo, right next to Palace. The sign outside said draft beer 95 Baht, the same price as Palace. Again, the lighting inside Atlantis is too dark for me. Maybe even darker than Tantra. The place has no customers. I'm thinking about leaving but I decide to stay and order a draft beer. The line-up isn't very good. They are all staring at me because I'm the only customer at that time. I receive my draft beer. It is huge. At least huge in comparison to the tiny glasses in Baccara and Happy. And also larger than the draft beer in Windmill and Sugar Baby.

Maybe Atlantis needs to do this because they have no customers. It may help but their line-up needs to be improved tremendously. It probably does not help them that they are located right next to Palace.

Anyway, this info is for those who wish to enjoy a nice big draft beer (despacito style) without being hassled for lady's drinks.

Secret girl was back so I went to see her on Soi 6. I was scheduled to hit WS that night with Banana Boi, so I arranged to BF her after 11 PM. I am not really sure why now as I write this several days later, but I did no mongering on Soi 6 this day.

I met up with BB a bit after 7:30 on WS. We were to meet at Windmill but I turned down the wrong street and he decided to leave the club before I got there, so we met at Bacarra. We went upstairs and there was a generally nice selection of girls, but few that really appealed to me. Number 155 was my favorite, but I will be with Secret girl later so I was only looking. The place was filling up fast after 8 PM, by far with Asians. Good club with hot women but 155 baht for my soda water?

We then went to Pin Up a bit before 8:30. It was busy but not full. BB and both liked 217 and 235. BB knew one of the others girls and a friend of hers latched on to us. He ordered a LD for his friend and I was nice and ordered one for the other girl. This is a club I think I will go back to. At least at the time I was there the music was not screaming loud, but at 9 PM I was one of 3 white dudes there. The Asians have definitely come to dominate the P2 P scene here.

We then went to Tea Rak. Small lineup and not busy at all. The quality of the girls was ok and I am not sure why hardly anyone was there. My soda water was 140 baht here. We didn't stay long.

After this I had a mortifying experience. We were crossing the street and I got caught in a crowd of Chinese. I was going west and they are going north and I manage to trip on someone's feet and as I start to fall and I grab the nearing thing both stop my fall and to stop stabilize the person I am falling onto. Well, um, what I grabbed was the boob of a young woman. I was actually aiming for her arm / shoulder, but she twisted as I fell and so I get a handful of boob instead. She was mortified with eyes wide open in shock and the violation, and I am equally mortified. I can only say "sorry, I am so sorry". She keeps walking with the crowed and I escaped, feeling horrible. Pure accident and I hope she mentally recovered and I did not ruin her vacation. I think my own wide open eyes showed it was not deliberate.

We passed through Palace but it was packed.

Infinity at 9:50 was not crowded. My soda was 100 baht. Number 55 had a super hot body. Oh, this is the place with the hot mamasan.

We walked in and out of Shark and Sugarbaby. There was room, but nothing immediately caught our eyes.

We ended up at Lighthouse. Nice club with a higher proportion of western guys. There were some nice girls there. Saw an old semi-crippled guy there being well taken care off, haha.

I see where BB makes fun of me for his lady friend dragging me into Yes! Bar. I was nervous as he told his friend to take me there, so of course I immediately start to wonder why! I am not familiar with the club so why is he telling her to take me there when he obviously doesn't want to go in? Inside there are couches with girls lying around and he stays outside, so of course I want to get out of there! Haha.

Anyway, it is now after 10:30 so I take leave of BB and leave to go pick up Secret girl. I had Lined her that I was coming but heard nothing back. Her club was dead and she was not there, but soon I am told she is upstairs getting ready for me. It took a while but she came down with her overnight stuff and we headed and with best wishes (I guess) from her friends, we leave. He go to the hotel to drop the stuff off before heading to WS.

We walked most of the way down the street then went back to the Stones club again to listen to the music. I think she had a good time, consuming a few beers. I had to use my ear plugs as my ears were distorting the sound. We listed for maybe 1-1/2 to 2 hours then returned to the hotel for rest. And other stuff.

I am currently with Secret girl for 1-1/2 days of long time, so at this point, I will have her through tomorrow morning. There is a problem as her English is poor, so sitting around talking and learning things about each other is something we can't do and today that problem is starting to show. I want to show her a nice time and as she had never been to Ko Larn, she is ok with going out there. I had planned to take the slow boat but got talked into taking a speed boat once we got out there. It was to leave at about 1 PM, same as the slow boat, and return at 5 PM. It was a hot, super sunny day and I really didn't want to stay out there that long, but the slow boat will leave at 4, which is the time I want, but the speed boat would not get back that much later, so OK. So we head out and about 1/4 of the way over the engine stops! Yep, they ran out of gas! Oh my, one of the first things a captain should do is ensure they have fuel. They didn't. Thank goodness for cell phones, and in another 15 minues or so they had a boat out with a new tank of fuel.

The day, as I said, was hot and sunny and almost unbearable being out in it with essentially no air conditioning refuge. The boat let us off on the beach so we had to get our feet wet. I was wearing plastic sandles but she had regular shoes which she had to take off. The sand burned her feet so she had to run to shade before putting her shoes back on. We walked around and I took lots of photos of her, but soon became bored. This is were better communications may have helped, but she was calm and patient. We did eat some lunch and finally clouds covered the sun so the last hour wasn't too bad with the breezes. But we were beat from the heat, and arriving back at the dock we walked down through Walking Steet before cathing a bus back to the hotel on Second Road. Back at the hotel, we were exhausted and took a shower and nap. Waking up around 9:30 PM we went to Terminal 21 to walk around and have a late dinner, then we headed back to WS and Stone's. Then back to the hotel. But she was not feeling well and she had a fairly high fever. She went to sleep curled up with me, but no boom boom.

This morning I decided to extend her stay by another day. Here fever had gone down and she said she was feeling ok, but needed to go back to her work for laundry and to have her hair done, so I taggled along (I paid for none of this). Before we left she picked up some medicine and I paid the additional BF.

So now what do we do? Well, let's go to the Ripley's complex and did the basic Ripley's, the haunted house and the laser challenge. The Believe It or Not was typical of any Ripley's and if you have seen one, don't bother -- unless SHE hasn't seen one. The laser was fun but overpriced and too short. The haunted house was actually fun. After that we had some chicken nuggets at BK then we went back to the hotel to rest. She had been ill, having a high fever, the night before, and thus she was still feeling a little weak and we were both still drained from the Ko Larn heat.

After some rest she wanted to eat at a place near her work on Soi 6. Huh? Well, ok. So, we went to her club, and first thing she did was order a drink fo me. Hmmmm. Many people do not know that you can order food from the clubs that the girls will go pick up for you, and she dug dug out a menu and asked what I wanted. Well, actually, being Thursday, I wanted a buritto from the Mexican plance on Soi 7, but I refrained and picked the chicken fried rice. She was running around and talking and going places to, I presume, order food and I am getting a bit perturbed. For one, I had told her she was my GF for the day and I sure didn't want to take my GF to Soi 6 to a bar! Second, I was concerned she was trying to make money off of me. I even asked her why she wanted to eat here when I cold take her anywhere in Pattaya? I was certainly concerned that she felt the need to come back here, where she works and has sex with random strangers when she was out with me.

But she replied that after I had done so much for her, she wanted to do something for me and, other than my soda water, she paid for everything. She said she liked the food there and she wanted me to share it with her. So, yeah, I felt better after that, but it also make me face reality again that I was one of the "random strangers" she has sex with, so it was actually a good wake up call. Not that I was falling for her, as I wasn't, but I have enjoyed having her around with her affection she shows.

Still, I was happy to get out of there. We returned to the hotel for more rest. Her fever had some back and she took some medicine and said she wanted to sleep until 10 PM. By 10:30 we headed back to WS and stayed there, listening to music mostly, until 1 AM. Back at the hotel I was tired, as I did not nap, but being my last night wanted boom boom. She endulged me, but she seemed to enjoy it as well. At 9 AM or so we woke up and she said she needed to leave to run some errands. I had already decided to not extend again, but it was a little difficult to see her leave.

As for me going to China. Stay tuned.

Just stumble across this site and I'm looking forward to reading all this good info.

I've been to Pattaya once before, so I'll be sure to add my report with a couple pics.

Question for all the fellas out there though. If you had the choice of making a Pattaya trip in June or in November 2019, what month would you choose and why?

Interested in your opinions.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2316285]After this I had a mortifying experience. We were crossing the street and I got caught in a crowd of Chinese. I was going west and they are going north and I manage to trip on someone's feet and as I start to fall and I grab the nearing thing both stop my fall and to stop stabilize the person I am falling onto. Well, um, what I grabbed was the boob of a young woman. I was actually aiming for her arm / shoulder, but she twisted as I fell and so I get a handful of boob instead. She was mortified with eyes wide open in shock and the violation, and I am equally mortified. I can only say "sorry, I am so sorry". She keeps walking with the crowed and I escaped, feeling horrible. Pure accident and I hope she mentally recovered and I did not ruin her vacation. I think my own wide open eyes showed it was not deliberate.
[/QUOTE]I must have missed it when you said you grabbed her boob. I thought I lost you there and you looked absolutely stunned when I spotted you again. The Chinese tourist was pretty I hope!

Hit Soi 6 with FL Hawk today. Better than average lineup on 6 and we arrived fairly early. I noticed the Second Road side of 6 is very weak now whereas in contrast the newly developed Beach Road side of 6 is a welcome addition. Gone are those useless fake gogo bars replaced by quite a few new additions.

I briefly spotted FL's Secret girl. I wanted to go to the bar next to Secret Girl's bar but felt it was too close to Secret Girl's bar and didn't want FL to get in trouble. I figured the next bar 5 meters further away was sufficient distance! Mistake. The girl I wanted was grabbed by a Japanese guy as we were selecting a table. I did speak with her again on my way off of 6. I find her cute in an odd way.

FL found a girl at Quicky Bar and there was no one else in there I wanted to be with so I grabbed a girl with a nice face at Playpen next door. I was too overheated to do anything after walking up and down 6 numerous times. Confirms again why I prefer G Clubs during the Summer. My girl Som was nice but her complete lack of English made it difficult to make her laugh. Maybe that's why I prefer gogo bars where all the girls speak decent conversational English. There was another decent girl at Playpen who I will grab next time.

My Kelaya 66 Bar girl has returned. As usual, Kelaya has the best girls on 6. For me nothing else even comes close. They start around 4 or 5 pm. Undecided what to do with her. I'm not paying their outrageous prices to barfine her but I really have fun with her.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2316186]I have not been to all the gogo bars in Pattaya. Has anyone? Anyway, one night, I felt a little lost. I didn't want to go to the same bars again. So I ventured in to Atlantis agogo, right next to Palace. The sign outside said draft beer 95 Baht, the same price as Palace. Again, the lighting inside Atlantis is too dark for me. Maybe even darker than Tantra. The place has no customers. I'm thinking about leaving but I decide to stay and order a draft beer. The line-up isn't very good. They are all staring at me because I'm the only customer at that time. I receive my draft beer. It is huge. At least huge in comparison to the tiny glasses in Baccara and Happy. And also larger than the draft beer in Windmill and Sugar Baby.

Maybe Atlantis needs to do this because they have no customers. It may help but their line-up needs to be improved tremendously. It probably does not help them that they are located right next to Palace.

Anyway, this info is for those who wish to enjoy a nice big draft beer (despacito style) without being hassled for lady's drinks.[/QUOTE]A bit exaggerated info on this bar. Atlantis normally has a nice line-up. It also has customers, so your information based on one visit can not be proof of what is going on on a regular basis. The info on the beer might be correct, I did not notice last time. That said; I did like the bar as it was earlier, called Sweetheart, with small tables and the girls dancing on top. It was the only bar playing rock classics the whole night. A rare experience these days. The new concept is not bad. I like the girls in there. Intimate and nice. Music is tolerable and the new sound system is great. But I miss the old music and it is a great mystery to why the owner changed this concept. The bar stood our on WS, but now it is only one bar similar to many other bars in this area.

My second time on walking street was very interesting. I went to the Palace again to see my promo girl I met a few nights ago. Again there was a special party and it cost me 500 baht entry. I saw my girl and she sat for two drinks. She introduced to her friend and I bought her a drink as well. Her friend was skinny but very pretty too. The mamasan quickly came to our table and asked if I wanted to take her out. I told her that I wanted the promo girl and they then spoke in Thai and the promo girl told me that she just started her period and I should take her friend. I said okay, and paid the mamasan 5000 upfront for short time 1 hour. I waited 15 minutes until she got changed and bought the mamasan a drink while I waited. As we were leaving, the girl got hungry so we detoured to a seafood restaurant on the side road next to Shark Club. I ordered crab fried rice and she had shrimp and rice. We talked and ate for about 40 minutes. But when we were finished, she did not want to walk to my hotel at LK Empress. She said we only had 10 minutes of the 1 hour left and she had to be back dancing. She gave me her Line ID to message her after she finishes her shift. She said that the promo girl and her will meet me after their shift ends at 3:30 am so we can all go party and then she went back to the Palace. I only had about 1300 baht left, so I decided it was better to go wait in my room. On the way back, I ran into the same tall white skinned girl I met the other night who gave me a good blow job. She asked me if I wanted to take her again. I figure I need to keep busy until 3:30 am, so I did. I told her I only have 1300 left not wanting to go to the ATM anymore. She said 1200 was enough, so I paid her and we took a motorbike to my hotel. She was sexy, so when the motorbike guy drove us, I was a bit nervous and jealous that I suggested she let me sit in the middle. I didn't want the motorcycle taxi guy to get the pleasure of her sitting between the two of us. She instead refused my suggestion and sat in the middle and made me sit in the back. I guess that is just standard Thai courtesy for the girl to not sit in the back. It was weird because her legs were really long. We took a short cut through Soi 13/2 and many of the ladies on that street yelled at her. I guess she knew them and they were approving of me. Once we reached LK Empress, she told the bike guy to stop at the Family Mart, just like the other night. She said it's better to use this entrance to avoid the hotel reception. She said they sometimes want the girls to tip them when they come with a customer. That's good advice. I am learning so much on this trip. In the room, after she went to the bathroom, she surprisingly told me that her menstruation just arrived. I was kind of upset but she offered a nice long blow job with a massage just like the other night. Soon my pants were off and she was giving a very good BJ using both hands and mouth. Within 5 minutes I felt myself about to finish and asked to slow down, but she then just switched to her hand and I came a few seconds later. I felt so relieved. I asked about the massage after but too bad she needed to go buy tampons. She gave me her Line and said in week she will finish her period so we can have sex. But for only 1000, she can blow job me anytime until then. I was tired and needed a nap before meeting the 2 girls from Palace. I woke up around 3 am and sent the Palace girl a message. I did not get a response so maybe dancing still. I ended up falling asleep and woke up the next day. They finally messaged me back and said they had a meeting after work and wanted me to stop by again tonight to hang out. I think they want a threesome, so now my chances for real fun is about to begin. The good times keep coming for me in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]My second time on walking street was very interesting. I went to the Palace again to see my promo girl I met a few nights ago. Again there was a special party and it cost me 500 baht entry. I saw my girl and she sat for two drinks. She introduced to her friend and I bought her a drink as well. Her friend was skinny but very pretty too. The mamasan quickly came to our table and asked if I wanted to take her out. I told her that I wanted the promo girl and they then spoke in Thai and the promo girl told me that she just started her period and I should take her friend. I said okay, and paid the mamasan 5000 upfront for short time 1 hour. I waited 15 minutes until she got changed and bought the mamasan a drink while I waited. As we were leaving, the girl got hungry so we detoured to a seafood restaurant on the side road next to Shark Club. I ordered crab fried rice and she had shrimp and rice. We talked and ate for about 40 minutes. But when we were finished, she did not want to walk to my hotel at LK Empress. She said we only had 10 minutes of the 1 hour left and she had to be back dancing. She gave me her Line ID to message her after she finishes her shift. She said that the promo girl and her will meet me after their shift ends at 3:30 am so we can all go party and then she went back to the Palace. I only had about 1300 baht left, so I decided it was better to go wait in my room. On the way back, I ran into the same tall white skinned girl I met the other night who gave me a good blow job. She asked me if I wanted to take her again. I figure I need to keep busy until 3:30 am, so I did. I told her I only have 1300 left not wanting to go to the ATM anymore. She said 1200 was enough, so I paid her and we took a motorbike to my hotel. She was sexy, so when the motorbike guy drove us, I was a bit nervous and jealous that I suggested she let me sit in the middle. I didn't want the motorcycle taxi guy to get the pleasure of her sitting between the two of us. She instead refused my suggestion and sat in the middle and made me sit in the back. I guess that is just standard Thai courtesy for the girl to not sit in the back. It was weird because her legs were really long. We took a short cut through Soi 13/2 and many of the ladies on that street yelled at her. I guess she knew them and they were approving of me. Once we reached LK Empress, she told the bike guy to stop at the Family Mart, just like the other night. She said it's better to use this entrance to avoid the hotel reception. She said they sometimes want the girls to tip them when they come with a customer..[/QUOTE]Dude,

I do not wish to ruin your wonderful Pattaya vacation. But you need to stop going to Palace. They do not wish to have sex with you. Did you take a good look at the Palace clientele? They are the customers the Palace girls fuck. You paid 5,000 + 500 + at least 3 lady's drinks to have dinner with a Palace girl. And you paid for the dinner as well. The Palace threesome you are dreaming about is not going to happen in this lifetime. (I'm being very firm about this because I'm trying to help you.) Also, Palace would never have a meeting after work. Most of the girls would be out (barfined) by 3 AM. It would be pointless.

You should go to some of the smaller gogo bars on Walking Street, ones that are less busy. For 5,000 Baht, they'll treat you like a king. Isn't that much better than paying over 6,000 Baht to have dinner with a Palace black widow?

At least the 1,200 Baht girl you repeated with gave you a blowjob. But she should have told you beforehand that she had menstruation. The 1,200 Baht deal was for full service sex and not just a blowjob. You probably should have just given her half the amount for the blowjob. I would not repeat with her either. You asked her to go slowly. But then she switched to her hands and went faster. Also, the front desk requesting tip from the girl is most likely not true. For some reason, she did not want front desk seeing her or they seeing her with you. Maybe she's been there too many times. She doesn't want them seeing her as a hooker that she is.

However, I will commend you on not getting angry at the girls despite all the fleecing. Once you yell at them, you can never recover from it, no matter how hard you try.

All in all, it's your life and your vacation. But try some of the other gogo bars on Walking Street and find a girl that really likes you for who you are.

Wish you lots of fun.

P.S. Never pay 5,000 Baht upfront. Look what happened when you did that. Just pay the barfine to the mamasan and give the 3,000 to the girl in your hotel room only after sex. If they insist on 4,200/5,000 Baht upfront, then walk away. It won't end well for you.

P. P.S. Short-time should be 2 hours. 1 hour is not long enough. I understand that sometimes the girls are truly hungry, nothing wrong with that. That's why you need 2 hours so that there's still an hour left after eating.

P. P. P.S. If you really have to go to Palace, then just buy drinks for yourself. No Barfine. No lady's drinks. You'll still have to pay the special 500 Baht "entrance fee" for you.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513] she surprisingly told me that her menstruation just arrived.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]I asked about the massage after but too bad she needed to go buy tampons.[/QUOTE]Investing in a store that sells Sanitary napkins / Tampons in Pattaya seems like a good option.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]She said it's better to use this entrance to avoid the hotel reception. She said they sometimes want the girls to tip them when they come with a customer. That's good advice. I am learning so much on this trip. In the room, after she went to the bathroom, she surprisingly told me that her menstruation just arrived. I was kind of upset but she offered a nice long blow job with a massage just like the other night.[/QUOTE]Ladyboy alert.

[QUOTE=JayMongers;2316364]I've been to Pattaya once before, so I'll be sure to add my report with a couple pics.

Question for all the fellas out there though. If you had the choice of making a Pattaya trip in June or in November 2019, what month would you choose and why?
[/QUOTE]Which month did you come to Pattaya previously?

June. A bit less girls. A lot less guys. Hotter weather. November. One of the best times of the year to be in Pattaya girl wise but the start of busy season.

Period to avoid because there are many guys. Mid November to mid March. During Songkran. Japan Golden Week which is the week that just passed. China Golden Week I believe in October this year. Not sure if Korea has a Golden Week or not rather 2 important multi day holidays in February and September.

Period to avoid because less girls. Other than a couple of weeks in the year there are not really bad times to come to Pattaya. Avoid Christmas and New Year's there are far fewer girls. Avoid the week or two right after Songkran.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]My second time on walking street was very interesting. I went to the Palace again to see my promo girl I met a few nights ago. Again there was a special party and it cost me 500 baht entry. I saw my girl and she sat for two drinks. She introduced to her friend and I bought her a drink as well. Her friend was skinny but very pretty too. The mamasan quickly came to our table and asked if I wanted to take her out. I told her that I wanted the promo girl and they then spoke in Thai and the promo girl told me that she just started her period and I should take her friend. I said okay, and paid the mamasan 5000 upfront for short time 1 hour. I waited 15 minutes until she got changed and bought the mamasan a drink while I waited. As we were leaving, the girl got hungry so we detoured to a seafood restaurant on the side road next to Shark Club. I ordered crab fried rice and she had shrimp and rice. We talked and ate for about 40 minutes. But when we were finished, she did not want to walk to my hotel at LK Empress. She said we only had 10 minutes of the 1 hour left and she had to be back dancing. She gave me her Line ID to message her after she finishes her shift. She said that the promo girl and her will meet me after their shift ends at 3:30 am so we can all go party and then she went back to the Palace. <snip> I woke up around 3 am and sent the Palace girl a message. I did not get a response so maybe dancing still. I ended up falling asleep and woke up the next day. They finally messaged me back and said they had a meeting after work and wanted me to stop by again tonight to hang out. I think they want a threesome, so now my chances for real fun is about to begin. The good times keep coming for me in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You clearly didn't read my reply to you on April 30. There are no special parties happening at Palace this week! You got ripped off by the door man. If you want to bypass the 500 baht entry fee just tell the doorman you are visiting <insert promo girl's name here> . She will come grab you if you are important to her.

You are being played HARD by these Palace girls. Hate to say it again but promo girl does not want to be barfined by you in particular. Her friend also hosed you on the ST. If I understand your story correctly you paid 5000 baht to go eat with her on Walking Street for 1 hour with no sex? WTF. Gogo girls always go eat with me on their breaks and it costs me the price of their food which is usually under 100 baht. Her friend also played you she had zero intention on meeting up with you at 3:30 am after work. They're just giving you hope so you believe.

What are the girl's names or badge numbers? You can PM me them if you want. Really curious.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316630]You clearly didn't read my reply to you on April 30. There are no special parties happening at Palace this week! You got ripped off by the door man. If you want to bypass the 500 baht entry fee just tell the doorman you are visiting <insert promo girl's name here> . She will come grab you if you are important to her.

You are being played HARD by these Palace girls. Hate to say it again but promo girl does not want to be barfined by you in particular. Her friend also hosed you on the ST. If I understand your story correctly you paid 5000 baht to go eat with her on Walking Street for 1 hour with no sex? WTF. Gogo girls always go eat with me on their breaks and it costs me the price of their food which is usually under 100 baht. Her friend also played you she had zero intention on meeting up with you at 3:30 am after work. They're just giving you hope so you believe.

What are the girl's names or badge numbers? You can PM me them if you want. Really curious.[/QUOTE]No disrespect intended but how can anybody be so naive. They are greedy, not happy scamming him once they are up for seconds. Need to get names / numbers and expose this racket.

ElMexicant got me started on Palace, so here I go.

One time, I'm in Palace. This young Chinese guy sits next to me. He is a chain smoker, like most of them. He calls the waitress and points at a model who is sitting down. The model comes over with a big smile and then the fleecing starts. The model is pretty with a nice body. But she has breast implants and a huge fake smile. Right away, you can tell she is a member of what I like to call Palace Black Widow Club. He buys her lots of drinks. Then all of a sudden, three waitresses surround him. They all ask for drinks. He seems bemused at this request. But he complys and buys all three a drink. No wonder, the Chinese are so popular in Palace.

Later, the mamasan comes over and he pays her the barfine. Not sure how much he paid. Not sure if he paid everything upfront. Then the three waitresses ask for tip. This time, he looks irritated. But he still complies and gives each a 100 Baht note. The black widow model has changed her clothes and is back at his table. The waitresses tell him to give her 400 Baht, no reason given. Now, he seems more than irritated. But once again, he complies and gives her 400 baht. Then the model gets up and says to him, "Follow me. " She is smiling the whole time.

As they say, another one bites the dust. My guess is the 400 Baht was for a short-time hotel room nearby. Maybe the guy's hotel was too far. Maybe she didn't want to go to his hotel. With the 400 Baht in hand, the black widow had everything covered. Outside, it would be hard for the guy to insist on going to his hotel when he had already given her 400 Baht for the short-time room. Black Widow says (hypothetically): "Let's use the 400 Baht for the short-time hotel around the corner. It's much more convenient for me. Then I can return to Palace after 20 minutes!" And the black widow probably did. The Chinese guy most likely spent 7,000 Baht in all to have a lousy fuck with a Palace black widow. There is no way she gave him a great fuck after all that fleecing.

On a positive note, I'm in Palace another day. There is this model on the stage. Her number, I remember, is #413. She is a tall natural beauty. Most likely a new girl, because she has no facial plastic surgery, no breast implants, and no tattoos. I hope she stays that way. However, she has a flat chest, literally flat. Maybe, she was born with a high level of testosterone. But everything about her is very feminine except for her chest. Nevertheless, it is kind of late and I'm surprised she has not been barfined yet. She finishes her routine and then goes inside maybe to the changing room to rest. A few minutes later, a Chinese guy comes in and sits down. I'm guessing one of the waitresses told her because she comes rushing out really excited to see him.

I may have limited face-reading skills. But something tells me that model #413 is not a member of the Palace Black Widow Club. I actually think she would take good care of her man. That is good to know. Then there is still hope. The Chinese customer is probably a repeat from the previous night and likely asked her to wait for him because he would be barfining her long-time that night. He kept his word. Good for him. The girl dresses well. She has changed into what looks like a silk blouse and silk long pants. Not really sexy, but very elegant like a Thai lady who flies business class out of Suvit Airport. Lucky guy.

Although she does not come cheap, I think she is one of those who is definitely worth it. I hope the two enjoyed their night together. And I also hope that #413 never becomes a member of the Palace Black Widow Club.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]My second time on walking street was very interesting. I went to the Palace again to see my promo girl I met a few nights ago. Again there was a special party and it cost me 500 baht entry. I saw my girl and she sat for two drinks. She introduced to her friend and I bought her a drink as well. Her friend was skinny but very pretty too. The mamasan quickly came to our table and asked if I wanted to take her out. I told her that I wanted the promo girl and they then spoke in Thai and the promo girl told me that she just started her period and I should take her friend. I said okay, and paid the mamasan 5000 upfront for short time 1 hour. I waited 15 minutes until she got changed and bought the mamasan a drink while I waited. As we were leaving, the girl got hungry so we detoured to a seafood restaurant on the side road next to Shark Club. I ordered crab fried rice and she had shrimp and rice. We talked and ate for about 40 minutes. But when we were finished, she did not want to walk to my hotel at LK Empress. She said we only had 10 minutes of the 1 hour left and she had to be back dancing. She gave me her Line ID to message her after she finishes her shift. She said that the promo girl and her will meet me after their shift ends at 3:30 am so we can all go party and then she went back to the Palace.[/QUOTE]I wrote a report warning about paying for girl up front, in case she does not actually want to fuck. I also reported how wasted time going to get food for her, etc. Still we all have to learn form getting scammed. We learn much better from our own experience than by reading from others, I guess.

You were so chearful after being ripped off, the girl probably thought she could get you to pay for her party afterwards as well. Don't go there. You already know she can't be trusted.

Typically it takes 3 times scammed to really learn properly. Ha ha. Maybe you can avoid that. At least you will be wiser next time. All of us here likely got scammed multiple times over the years. A necessary experience. One time I got particularly annoyed with a girl from Spanky's bar who in the middle of just starting the sex, received a phone call from mamasan asking her to rush back since her regular had now turned up at the bar. However, not having paid in advance, I had the power to decide, look she wan't even trying and ready to leave, so I did not have to pay her more than I felt she deserved which was not that much. It is not easy for me to fuck a very disinterested girl, who is really just not cooperating.

Always pay the bargirl afterward, and / or expect to be scammed with time wasters (or girls who want a quickie like 20 minutes) sometimes. If you know the girl is honest and fair already, maybe no risk, but who knows that already? Ask the girl what time she has to leave you up front.

It is good you still have a such a positive attitude, but become a bit more skeptical, until you know you have met some very honest type girls that are fair. Last night I had a girl all night, got to fuck her several times, finally she left at 1PM, and we had not even agreed on a price beforehand, let alone pay up front. This is the advantage when we experienced and we are with an honest girl with a good attitude.

My first time in LK Metro, I'm trying to choose a gogo bar to enter. Most look like a class down from the ones on Walking Street. I choose Kink agogo. It's the most professional looking and they have a high number of promo girls. There is no draft beer sign so I already know the drinks will be expensive. Anyway, I enter for one drink. Most bottled beers are 150 Baht. The dancers are wearing schoolgirl outfits. White blouse on top and a green skirt. Maybe they prefer Japanese customers with big wallets. But most of the clientele are Westeners. My invoice says I'm sitting at Table 1. It's the table right in front of the stage. The restroom to the left and the stairs to the right. At around 8:50 PM, I notice many customers from the first floor taking the stairs to the second floor. I am tempted to do the same because it felt a little boring. But I decide against it. At exactly 9 PM, the second floor stage is lowered to the first floor. I did not realize this but it is a movable stage with a hydraulic lift. On the stage are six or seven totally naked girls performing a high-choreographed show. Now, I understood why everyone was going upstairs. From the second floor, you can get a bird's eye view of the show. I think the show lasted only 5 minutes. I wish it had lasted 10 or 15 minutes. But maybe it's hard to produce a show that long. I'm thinking Kink Agogo should be on Walking Street. But maybe this way, they can be number 1 in LK Metro.

Next time, I'll visit Kink agogo at 10 or 11 PM when hopefully they have more customers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315430]From a Japanese gogo bar site. Their ranking to some gogo bars in Pattaya. No idea what these numbers are based off of. Surprised to see Windmill so high because I rarely see Japanese guys there.

Happy 75.172.
Baccara 73.603.
Palace 71.55.
Panda 59.62.
Windmill 58.076.
Sensations 57.157.
Peppermint 55.568..[/QUOTE]Yes, it's surprising to see Windmill higher than Sensations. But we all know that the Japanese are eccentric people and they like to stick funny toys into women. I'm thinking that is more feasible in Windmill than in Sensations.

Also, I think this list was produced when Beach Club was closed for renovations. So they had all the Beach Club girls working in Happy Agogo. You basically had two bars in one. Of course, their rating will skyrocket. But since Beach Club has reopened, I think, (maybe someone can confirm this), Happy should not be Number 1 anymore.

From what I hear, Koreans are not as systematic and methodical as the Japanese. So it may be difficult to find a Korean list, if it exists at all.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]I went to the Palace again to see my promo girl I met a few nights ago. Again there was a special party and it cost me 500 baht entry.[/QUOTE]What was so special about the party?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]On the way back, I ran into the same tall white skinned girl I met the other night who gave me a good blow job. She asked me if I wanted to take her again. I figure I need to keep busy until 3:30 am, so I did. I told her I only have 1300 left not wanting to go to the ATM anymore. She said 1200 was enough, so I paid her and we took a motorbike to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Are you sure this was not a dude? Period on so no sex=I have a dick. Use the side entrance = I do not want the people at your hotel to see I am a man and tell you. 1200 for a BJ. You must be out of your damn mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316734]1200 for a BJ. You must be out of your damn mind.[/QUOTE]More worried about him paying 5000 to have a hour long dinner with the girl. And 500 for entry. Seems like the easiest victim- staying so happy-the-peppy after being ripped off multiple times.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316630]You clearly didn't read my reply to you on April 30. [/QUOTE]Pretty sure he's trolling. Look back his first post on this board, he was giving advice to others to be treated like " a king" by these girls.

He doesn't read advises from others, and now he posts this funny report.

At Banana Boi I was there last May and had a blast. Right now it's a toss up between going back to Medellin and heading to Pattaya.

Pattaya just has that "it" factor for me LOL.

I've copied and pasted a trip report that I posted on another site (Pics to come):

It's about that time again fellas. (May 23 - 29th, 2018) Trip reportT! Arrived to the land of smiles and though I love Sosua, Pattaya Thailand gave the SU a run for it's money!

Day 1 (Tanned Cutie).

Met a handful of chicks on a site called ThaiFriendly. Trying to get a girl to agree on taking pics is tougher than asking her to do anal LOL Turned down some Baddies because they wouldn't take pics! Met one shorty with a cute face, nice little titties, but no ass at all! Problem was, I only discovered this after she got to the telly cause she didn't want to send booty pics. Ah well! She was my Thai warm up LOL Pussy was tight as hell and she was flexible as fuck! Great first session!

Day 2 (Club 808 Hoe).

Most Thai chicks who prefer black men will either be at 808 or Flexx Club on Walking Street. Met another online shorty and we decided to meet at 808 before "Short Time". Obvious Mistake LOL there were some bad bitches in there! Anyway, my shorty was mad sensual while dancing and that shit carried over the bedroom. Reeeeal good session. Common theme with these Thai chicks will be TIGHT PUSSIES! They can take the the but Lawd! Hit it from the back in slow motion and all you'll see are pussy lips gripping to you dick for dear life LOL.

Day 3 (Catfish & Redemption).

Got fucking catfished in Thailand! ***** was talking mad shit online about her fat ass and her deepthroat game, but failed to mention her gut! She shows up at the lobby and even the reception was looking at me like, "I know you can do better than that" LOL Took her to the bar across the street to figure out my exit plan. Long story short. Got drunk and she was cheap. LOL don't judge me LOL I'm on vacation.

Now for my nighttime redemption. Windmill Agogo is by far the wildest club I've over been to in my life! 2-3 Chicks in one corner doing a shower show. Dancers eating each others pussy while customers are joining in with fingers and thumbs in butts. I even saw this old white dude toss this chick's salad LOL wild shit! Anyway I see a dark skinned Thai with a perfectly shaped ass. She's with a customer but I want her. Talk to the bartender and had shorty come over to my table for a couple drinks. The rest was history! I made sure I could see that fat ass from every position and she damn sure know how to use that thing!

Day 4 (Motorbike Chick).

On my way to Hooters for some dinner and I'm negotiating with motor taxi assholes. This chick drives by with some thick thighs wearing neon orange yoga pants. She smiles, I smile back and she you-Turns and says, "I'll take you for free. I jump on the back and tell her that nothing in this world is free. She agreed and told me she wanted to come over for "boom boom" later LOL She only let me take one pic, but she was cute and sexy as fuck. Let her stsy the night.

Day 5 (Flexx Club Cutie).

Flexx club is comparable to the Casino in Sosua. Place starts popping after all clubs are closed and stayed open until 8 am. I meet a sexy ass Cambodian in the club. This ***** is wild, even her friends warned me that she was crazy LOL I did not care. Left the club at 7 am, she strips and showers as soon as I opened the door. We fucked so much I have no idea how many condoms I used lmao. That ***** was the she devil. We didn't stop fucking until like 1 pm! Thank god for that blue pill LOL.

Day 6 (Soapy Massage).

Last day in Pattaya so I figured I'd frequent the world famous "Honey 2" soapy massage. Damn! Wish I went to this place 1st! For less than Pica Flor prices you sit in a room with about 50-60 bitches to pick from. I chose this chick with a huuuge rack! We go up the room. She showers me. Oils me up and massage every inch of my body with her hands, breasts & body. Then we jump in a huge bubble bath where I get a handjob / titty fuck. She rinses me off, I dry off and we finish off in the bed. Soapy massage in Thailand is a must!

Day 6 (Thai mixed chick).

Later than night I head to 808 for the last time. Things are ending early because of the Buddha holiday. I spot a chick with braids. Could she be half black!? Oh yeah, I've been looking for one of these LOL she's one of the club's stage dancers and little shorty could move. We get back to the room and she starts sucking me off before I could get to the light switch LOL she like it rough. Tiny chick but just wanted to be man handles. This is the life! LOL.

Final thoughts. Pattaya and Sosua are on two different playing fields. If it wasn't for the long as flight and the fact that I find Dominican woman absolutely beautiful, Thailand would win hands down. But I love Spanish music, food, culture and above all the women. Pattaya is more of a crazy / wild place, but Sosua will always be my home base.

Until next time fellas!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316627]Which month did you come to Pattaya previously?

June. A bit less girls. A lot less guys. Hotter weather. November. One of the best times of the year to be in Pattaya girl wise but the start of busy season.

Period to avoid because there are many guys. Mid November to mid March. During Songkran. Japan Golden Week which is the week that just passed. China Golden Week I believe in October this year. Not sure if Korea has a Golden Week or not rather 2 important multi day holidays in February and September.

Period to avoid because less girls. Other than a couple of weeks in the year there are not really bad times to come to Pattaya. Avoid Christmas and New Year's there are far fewer girls. Avoid the week or two right after Songkran.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2316308]This morning I decided to extend her stay by another day. Here fever had gone down and she said she was feeling ok, but needed to go back to her work for laundry and to have her hair done, so I taggled along (I paid for none of this). Before we left she picked up some medicine and I paid the additional BF.

But she replied that after I had done so much for her, she wanted to do something for me and, other than my soda water, she paid for everything. She said she liked the food there and she wanted me to share it with her. So, yeah, I felt better after that, but it also make me face reality again that I was one of the "random strangers" she has sex with, so it was actually a good wake up call. Not that I was falling for her, as I wasn't, but I have enjoyed having her around with her affection she shows.

As for me going to China. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Wow, your Secret girl bought you a meal. You must be doing something right. No wonder you kept going back to her.

I'm sure you guys can figure out who catfished me LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316734]What was so special about the party?[/QUOTE]I answered this honestly trying to help others not make the same mistake and I see my reply was deleted. I'll keep this reply matter of fact but not nearly as helpful to others so not to be deleted again. Palace is the top of the top in Pattaya or Bangkok. The girls and bouncers there devour rookies and even many who think they know what they're doing. There has been no party this week. There is NEVER a cover charge. Models are topless. Girls wear outfits. Tonight the girls all wore their soccer outfits that are still around from World Cup. I prefer the maid outfits.

Palace was packed tonight. Tons and tons of girls. We were crammed like sardines. Girls I didn't even know starting sitting on my lap not looking for a drink rather they just wanted a place to rest their feet. A couple were really pretty and I can't say they looked familiar to me. All 5 girls I usually buy drinks for at Palace were there tonight. Luckily some of them were busy.

Sensations. I have to say I thought 3 of the girls in the Smurf group looked pretty cute. I usually never like anyone in the Smurf group. I was with one of my regulars and I know buying drinks at Sensations is pretty much a waste of cash so I didn't try adding new girls to the rotation. Sensations has some nice girls now. For Raphael who wants to get in to Baccara, Sensations and Palace are much better than Baccara now.

Also went to Dollhouse. I never expect top girls when I hit these types of gogo bars but I was surprised a couple of girls were ok. One was super tiny and had a very pretty face. She was busy with a younger Farang but she had no drink in front of her. Another was taller and very thin and also happened to wear cat ears. I would have bought lady drinks if I saw girls around doing nasty things like this bar is supposed to have a reputation of doing but since it was pretty much hands off from what I could see. No way I was wasting money on a lady drink. XXX was just opening upstairs but I decided to check it out on another night instead. Non-alcoholic drink was 145 baht though and that is steep for a non top level gogo bar.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2316712]Yes, it's surprising to see Windmill higher than Sensations. But we all know that the Japanese are eccentric people and they like to stick funny toys into women. I'm thinking that is more feasible in Windmill than in Sensations.

Also, I think this list was produced when Beach Club was closed for renovations. So they had all the Beach Club girls working in Happy Agogo. You basically had two bars in one. Of course, their rating will skyrocket. But since Beach Club has reopened, I think, (maybe someone can confirm this), Happy should not be Number 1 anymore.

From what I hear, Koreans are not as systematic and methodical as the Japanese. So it may be difficult to find a Korean list, if it exists at all.[/QUOTE]To each his own as to what is good out of all the Happy Group clubs Beach Club was at the bottom. When they were on Soi 15, the location now of Shark? It wasn't bad but that was years and years ago. Then they decided to move next to Happy where there were a number of outdoor bars right of the walkway. When they were building the location all the girls were divided working Happy, Peppermint, and Bacarra. Many of the top showgirls left and never came back when the Beach opened again the layout of the club was terrible the group try to get many of the older girls who now had their moment to work at Beach it didn't work. The layout was so bad within a year they did another renovation it was better but fail again. So the owners decided this year to end Beach and combining the two clubs there is no longer a Beach but one big Happy?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2316752]Pretty sure he's trolling. Look back his first post on this board, he was giving advice to others to be treated like " a king" by these girls.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;2316639]No disrespect intended but how can anybody be so naive. They are greedy, not happy scamming him once they are up for seconds. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree Paolo. I said in my mysteriously deleted post that we should be wary of what he was posting. I basically said others should do exactly the opposite of what he was doing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316944]Absolutely agree Paolo. I said in my mysteriously deleted post that we should be wary of what he was posting. I basically said others should do exactly the opposite of what he was doing.[/QUOTE]The Admin may take a dim view of a huge "put down" for newbies, as it maybe construed as discouraging them from posting. I forget the details of your disappeared post now so I could be wrong. Mr Enternational's post was probably spot on re tall "girls" that don't take the pants off (and come in secondary entrance), but he was not deleted.

Was a little strange for Mr Mex whatever he was called to be posting what he posted. Did seem like a "What not to do" at all stages. Thais have a special word for it: "Khwaay". I was a reader of the forum for quite a time before actually posting, and then it would have been recommended girls at the FKK and how they performed. I don't really like is "trolling" which seems pointless, but I suppose I would never understand trolls on here. Normally you expect trolls to be excessively putting down others, rather than inviting it.

One time I did BF a girl who later told me of her time limit before she had to be back at the bar. She was possibly a special category performer. Was a shock to me too when she claimed to have 1 hour only. I did not really care if she was back very late. Ha ha. I still fucked her at the ST Hotel and I think she may have been late back. It is a trap to watch out for in some places. I am a little bit allergic to clock watching and time limits. Never book at an MP for only 60 minutes.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2316571]Dude,
I do not wish to ruin your wonderful Pattaya vacation. But you need to stop going to Palace. They do not wish to have sex with you. Did you take a good look at the Palace clientele? They are the customers the Palace girls fuck. You paid 5,000 + 500 + at least 3 lady's drinks to have dinner with a Palace girl. And you paid for the dinner as well. The Palace threesome you are dreaming about is not going to happen in this lifetime. (I'm being very firm about this because I'm trying to help you.) Also, Palace would never have a meeting after work. Most of the girls would be out (barfined) by 3 AM. It would be pointless.
You should go to some of the smaller gogo bars on Walking Street, ones that are less busy. For 5,000 Baht, they'll treat you like a king. Isn't that much better than paying over 6,000 Baht to have dinner with a Palace black widow? [/QUOTE]Thank you bro for the advice. I can appreciate the truth even however hurtful it might be. This is my first trip to Pattaya and from reading all the posts, it seems as the Palace was the best place to go for stunners. The reason I came was to experience my new found freedom. Where I am from (a small town outside of Pune), divorce is frowned upon. So this trip was my escape for enjoyment. For the past 4 years I was married to a very unattractive obese angry woman who was verbally and physically abusive. So a nice dinner with a stunner woman helped me lift my morale and confidence a bit is very joyful for this bachelor. I try to see the good in others. I read reports in this section of another member paying money to "nap" with a girl, but nobody said he was scammed. How come? But thank you for your honesty that the girls do not want to have sex with me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316630]You clearly didn't read my reply to you on April 30. There are no special parties happening at Palace this week! You got ripped off by the door man. If you want to bypass the 500 baht entry fee just tell the doorman you are visiting <insert promo girl's name here> . She will come grab you if you are important to her.[/QUOTE]Brother, I don't know why you are so hard on me. Imagine me being Indian, second time on Walking Street, and standing in front of the doorway to Palace and all I can see in stunner girls with maids outfits. Next to the door is a huge sign that says, "Sexy Maid Party Tonight. " Then you have this big Thai man in a red shirt with a pony tail sticking out his hand and saying "pay 500 baht. " What do you expect me to do? Do you know how it feels to be left standing outside before? Before I was in Europe, and all the clubs wanted entrance fee. And also I read before some clubs in Thailand charge fee as well. So I am sorry if I am naive. Maybe you can give me advice on how to get the best girls to go with me and not try to hustle me since you seem to know there very well. This is very difficult for me to do as I have tried to research and there seems to be no advice or reports about this club.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2316689]I wrote a report warning about paying for girl up front, in case she does not actually want to fuck. I also reported how wasted time going to get food for her, etc. Still we all have to learn form getting scammed. We learn much better from our own experience than by reading from others, I guess. You were so chearful after being ripped off, the girl probably thought she could get you to pay for her party afterwards as well. Don't go there. You already know she can't be trusted. Typically it takes 3 times scammed to really learn properly. Ha ha. Maybe you can avoid that. At least you will be wiser next time. All of us here likely got scammed multiple times over the years. A necessary experience. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words brother. I was just happy being "in the moment" that I was not sure of a scam was happening. I've read on here that some guys pay in advance and had no problem. I did not know how long short time was. I still have the girl's Line. Maybe she will forgive me for falling asleep and give me another chance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316734]What was so special about the party?

Are you sure this was not a dude? Period on so no sex=I have a dick. Use the side entrance = I do not want the people at your hotel to see I am a man and tell you. 1200 for a BJ. You must be out of your damn mind.[/QUOTE]She had boobs, so she was girl. My ex wife had what some guys call "pancake boobies. " And she was very short and about 95 kilos. I liked the look of the Beach Road girl. I am sadden that what I believed was a successful hunting even though it was only a BJ to be dismissed as a failure. I don't see the connection in bypassing reception as being ladyboy. Maybe she is just embarrass. If the hotel has 3 entrances and 2 set of elevators, why not use the less confrontational one? I've read before on here that some guys pay 1000 plus tip for massage and BJ, so why was I wrong? Please advise me on how to tell if my BJ was from a girl or not. Other girls at the Palace and Crazy House clubs tell me they are on period as well. So are the ladyboys working there too? I am rather confused.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444]Brother, I don't know why you are so hard on me. Imagine me being Indian, second time on Walking Street, and standing in front of the doorway to Palace and all I can see in stunner girls with maids outfits. Next to the door is a huge sign that says, "Sexy Maid Party Tonight. " Then you have this big Thai man in a red shirt with a pony tail sticking out his hand and saying "pay 500 baht. " What do you expect me to do? Do you know how it feels to be left standing outside before? Before I was in Europe, and all the clubs wanted entrance fee. And also I read before some clubs in Thailand charge fee as well. So I am sorry if I am naive. Maybe you can give me advice on how to get the best girls to go with me and not try to hustle me since you seem to know there very well. This is very difficult for me to do as I have tried to research and there seems to be no advice or reports about this club.[/QUOTE]So it was the red t-shirt at Palace doing his little 500 Baht "entrance fee" operation. I always felt he was a member of the local Thai mafia. He must be head of security at Palace because he is the only one wearing a red t-shirt whereas all other security guards wear black. The guy must pull in a lot each night.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444]She had boobs, so she was girl. My ex wife had what some guys call "pancake boobies. " And she was very short and about 95 kilos. I liked the look of the Beach Road girl. I am sadden that what I believed was a successful hunting even though it was only a BJ to be dismissed as a failure. I don't see the connection in bypassing reception as being ladyboy. Maybe she is just embarrass. If the hotel has 3 entrances and 2 set of elevators, why not use the less confrontational one? I've read before on here that some guys pay 1000 plus tip for massage and BJ, so why was I wrong? Please advise me on how to tell if my BJ was from a girl or not. Other girls at the Palace and Crazy House clubs tell me they are on period as well. So are the ladyboys working there too? I am rather confused.[/QUOTE]I have not seen the 1,200 Baht blow job girl. So I will not assume that she was a ladyboy. You asked how to tell. Ladyboys are usually very tall. Taller than the average Thai female. You mentioned the girl had very long legs. Ladyboys have long hair and breast implants. They want to look as feminine as humanly possible. They are also always touching their hair and adjusting their make-up, a sense of their insecurity as a newly transformed female. They have a husky voice. They have large hands because they were born as males. They have a more aggressive personality than the average Thai female. Having said this, sometimes it is very difficult to tell because some of the ladyboys look more feminine than an actual Thai female. For further assistance, watch some of the Pattaya Walking Street videos on the internet.

If a regular gogo bargirl tells you she is on menstruation, then most likely she does not want to have sex with you. Many girls who are on menstruation will still go out with you if they want to have sex with you. Of course, they need to tell you that they are on their period and let you decide whether to take them out or not. But sometimes, they don't tell you until you arrive at the hotel. Then, either you have sex with her in the shower or you could try to take her back to the bar for a refund on the barfine, but it is unlikely they will give you a refund. That is why it is always a good idea to confirm with the mamasan that the girl is not on menstruation before you take her out.

Also, regular agogos like Palace and Crazy House do not hire ladyboys. It would be bad for business.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444]She had boobs, so she was girl. My ex wife had what some guys call "pancake boobies. " And she was very short and about 95 kilos. I liked the look of the Beach Road girl. I am sadden that what I believed was a successful hunting even though it was only a BJ to be dismissed as a failure. I don't see the connection in bypassing reception as being ladyboy. Maybe she is just embarrass. If the hotel has 3 entrances and 2 set of elevators, why not use the less confrontational one? I've read before on here that some guys pay 1000 plus tip for massage and BJ, so why was I wrong? Please advise me on how to tell if my BJ was from a girl or not. Other girls at the Palace and Crazy House clubs tell me they are on period as well. So are the ladyboys working there too? I am rather confused.[/QUOTE]Girls will also tell you they are on their period if they don't want to go with you. I will often just ask girls to confirm they are ladies and not a ladyboy.

This appears to be from a couple of weeks ago on Beach Road where an Indian man gets into it with I assume a Beach Road FL. The girl is holding the side of her face so it appears the Indian man may have struck her in the head. I didn't watch the entire video but after the 5:30 mark the guy starts video on other BR freelancers and looks like he walked by Lisa Coyoty Bar on Second Road as well.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=157&v=4ZVYnRIOhLs[/URL]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444] I did not know how long short time was. I still have the girl's Line. Maybe she will forgive me for falling asleep and give me another chance.[/QUOTE]

Go for it. Third time is a charm I say. I look forward to reading more of your stories. You may have to pay her twice as much for forgiveness or buy her family a water buffalo so make sure you hit an ATM before you go again.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444]This is very difficult for me to do as I have tried to research and there seems to be no advice or reports about this club.[/QUOTE]

Yes you have RTFF thoroughly. No one talks about Palace agogo! A damn shame no one ever mentions the place in any of their posts. Palace really has potential to be a top 20 gogo bar on Walking Street if only guys like myself would mention it more often. Been a very long time since I've been to Palace.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317444]She had boobs, so she was girl. [/QUOTE]

How silly of you, Mr. E. She had boobs so no way she was a ladyboy!!!

Live update. LK Metro gogo bars open. So much for bars being closed on a King's Holiday.

Sorry if this post doesn't belong here. Please allow it to stay up, I'm in a jam for cash.

I'm cutting my pattaya trip short. I have 7 nights paid in full for deluxe room A at Crystal Suites (above Crystal Club Go Go) in LK Metro Area.

Reservation is Check inn May 7th. Check out May 14th.

I paid $215 USD. Looking for $110 or 3300 THB (or best offer).

Please message me ASAP if you want the room. I leave town for the airport on the night of May 7th. Best,

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317657]This appears to be from a couple of weeks ago on Beach Road where an Indian man gets into it with I assume a Beach Road FL. The girl is holding the side of her face so it appears the Indian man may have struck her in the head. I didn't watch the entire video but after the 5:30 mark the guy starts video on other BR freelancers and looks like he walked by Lisa Coyoty Bar on Second Road as well.[/QUOTE]I cannot believe my eyes, the quality of girls at Lisa Coyoty Bar has declined a lot. Save a couple of cute ones in the orange uniforms. Are the uniforms a new thing there? Never seen that before.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317657]
Go for it. Third time is a charm I say. I look forward to reading more of your stories. You may have to pay her twice as much for forgiveness or buy her family a water buffalo so make sure you hit an ATM before you go again.

Yes you have RTFF thoroughly. No one talks about Palace agogo! A damn shame no one ever mentions the place in any of their posts. Palace really has potential to be a top 20 gogo bar on Walking Street if only guys like myself would mention it more often. Been a very long time since I've been to Palace.

How silly of you, Mr. E. She had boobs so no way she was a ladyboy!!![/QUOTE]As I have said often, you simply cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep. Unfortunate. All that money the guy is blowing could be put to so much better use. But hey, its his money and who am I to comment.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2316639]No disrespect intended but how can anybody be so naive. They are greedy, not happy scamming him once they are up for seconds. Need to get names / numbers and expose this racket.[/QUOTE]Her name is maybe Jane or Jem. It was very loud inside the club. She has very big boobies and pretty face with long hair. I thinking maybe the best looking two or three girls that night at the Palace club but there were so many girls. She still not answer any my text from Line anymore. They show as "unread. " Maybe she have problem with her phone or lose it.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2317585]Ladyboys have long hair and breast implants. They want to look as feminine as humanly possible. They are also always touching their hair and adjusting their make-up, a sense of their insecurity as a newly transformed female.[/QUOTE]That is incorrect. A ladyboy can be many things, but they can never be female. In order to be female a person has to have XX sex chromosomes. A ladyboy has XY sex chromosomes so will always be a male no matter how many breast implants and hormone therapies and dicks chopped off they have.

[QUOTE=Falcon 95;2317585]Of course, they need to tell you that they are on their period and let you decide whether to take them out or not. But sometimes, they don't tell you until you arrive at the hotel. Then, either you have sex with her in the shower [/QUOTE]Also not true. They do not have to tell you shit. There is a yellow/orange sponge that the chicks insert and you will never know they are on their period. If a chick is asking to stop at the pharmacy first then that is more than likely what she is going there for. They also sell them in the beauty salons.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2317733]That is incorrect. A ladyboy can be many things, but they can never be female. In order to be female a person has to have XX sex chromosomes. A ladyboy has XY sex chromosomes so will always be a male no matter how many breast implants and hormone therapies and dicks chopped off they have.

Also not true. They do not have to tell you shit. There is a yellow/orange sponge that the chicks insert and you will never know they are on their period. If a chick is asking to stop at the pharmacy first then that is more than likely what she is going there for. They also sell them in the beauty salons.[/QUOTE]You may be right about the sex chromosomes. But the girls do need to tell you if they are on menstruation. That is why so many girls told the Indian customers they could not go barfine since they were on menstruation (when most likely they were not). Otherwise, that excuse does not fly.

[QUOTE=BonusParts;2317626]Girls will also tell you they are on their period if they don't want to go with you. I will often just ask girls to confirm they are ladies and not a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the time the opposite happened and I took home a girl who was on her period, and she still had the nerve to ask for money! Now I have to ask to confirm these girls if they are on their period or not. Haha!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2317733] There is a yellow/orange sponge that the chicks insert and you will never know they are on their period. [/QUOTE]Cleverly called Jeab or Yellow Duck Chick. Atta boy Mr E.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317657]This appears to be from a couple of weeks ago on Beach Road where an Indian man gets into it with I assume a Beach Road FL. The girl is holding the side of her face so it appears the Indian man may have struck her in the head. I didn't watch the entire video but after the 5:30 mark the guy starts video on other BR freelancers and looks like he walked by Lisa Coyoty Bar on Second Road as well.[/QUOTE]What's scary to me about the video is the lesbian moto-taxi driver threatening to strike the Indian guy with a baton that police officers usually use. Why does she even have one? Must be for whacking foreigners.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317732] They show as "unread. " Maybe she have problem with her phone or lose it.[/QUOTE]It appears that you know very well how to make us have a good laugh.

Maybe she was still angry at you because you felt asleep the last time, don't forget that they might come from a rice farm but they are also very psychological.

My advice is that you should absolutely go back in that Palace club and do everything you can to bring her back in your room, whatever the price she asks you or things she might bring up as menstruation or headache or pussy kaput.

I mean this is the opportunity of your life, to bring a dream girl in your room, I think later you would regret it didn't happen just because she lost her phone or because you sleep too much.

Anyway, Keep them coming, I love your posts.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2317864]I totally agree with what you just posted and find nothing controversial about it, yet the WOKE generation of airheads and politically correct idiots including every Democratic candidate running for President of the USA, would attack your statement as hateful and full of prejudice against the LGBT community! 555. I am afraid you're just not with it Mr. E. You need to be reeducated.[/QUOTE]Don't get me started, Natty! Hahah.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317657]This appears to be from a couple of weeks ago on Beach Road where an Indian man gets into it with I assume a Beach Road FL. The girl is holding the side of her face so it appears the Indian man may have struck her in the head. I didn't watch the entire video but after the 5:30 mark the guy starts video on other BR freelancers and looks like he walked by Lisa Coyoty Bar on Second Road as well.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=157&v=4ZVYnRIOhLs[/URL][/QUOTE]Such a disgrace, this one incident is enough to destroy what little respect the Thai's had for Indians. I truly love Thailand and the people, but after watching this video it sunk my heart, I've booked my vacation next week in Thailand and I already feel depressed to go there. The Thai Government should restrict Indians entering Thailand either entirely or should only be allowed with reference from 2 or more Thai individuals. This is not the only incident, I've seen Indians who were drunk and fighting with girls in WS, what the hell.

I cannot stress this enough to my fellow countrymen, please behave. Thailand is a foreign country and they have their own standards and it is nothing like India. I fear there are many such incidents similar to this that is going to completely destroy our name globally and we may never be allowed to enter another country every again. There are cases with other nationality who cause such a scene in Thailand, but they do not attract the same attention as we Indians do.

P.S.: To all my fellow Indians, please see the above video and read the comments of it. You will understand what other people think of us, some of it may be racist comments, but some are very true.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316834]For Raphael who wants to get in to Baccara, Sensations and Palace are much better than Baccara now.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up, I will let you know the result very soon.

That is incorrect. A ladyboy can be many things, but they can never be female. In order to be female a person has to have XX sex chromosomes. A ladyboy has XY sex chromosomes so will always be a male no matter how many breast implants and hormone therapies and dicks chopped off they have.

Also not true. They do not have to tell you shit. There is a yellow / orange sponge that the chicks insert and you will never know they are on their period. If a chick is asking to stop at the pharmacy first then that is more than likely what she is going there for. They also sell them in the beauty salons.

This in re: your Tijuana comment.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0&t=8s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2317943]What's scary to me about the video is the lesbian moto-taxi driver threatening to strike the Indian guy with a baton that police officers usually use. Why does she even have one? Must be for whacking foreigners.[/QUOTE]She is probably a "spy" for the Thai police as most of these motocycle taxi. She might even be an undercover police agent as she's also got a talky walky.

That weapon is not a big deal in Thailand, some of these taxis even wear guns.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2317732]She still not answer any my text from Line anymore. They show as "unread. " Maybe she have problem with her phone or lose it.[/QUOTE]Just send her more Line messages. Show her you love her. When she finally reads them she'll likely fall in love with you for showing her you care so much. So much so that next trip you will get a freebie. Never give up pursuing that same girl. She's 1 in a million meaning there are only about 20 of her in Thailand.

She likely just forgot to top up her data plan at 7-11. Maybe she needs cash. Go see her at Palace and give her some cash so she can top up her data plan. Maybe she did lose her phone as you say. Go see her at Palace and ST her, then go to the mall and buy her a new phone. Not a big expense just 5000 BF + ST and 13,000 for new Samsung.

Do anything in your power to get her to read your messages. Tell her you will send money to her bank account after you leave. 100 baht for every message she reads and replies to. I know the going rate for a request like this is only 75 baht but remember she's only 1 of 20 in all of Thailand so don't worry about overpaying a bit for the long distance companionship.

As you can see guys here are anxiously waiting for your mongering updates. Please post them.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2318165]
There is a yellow / orange sponge that the chicks insert and you will never know they are on their period. If a chick is asking to stop at the pharmacy first then that is more than likely what she is going there for. They also sell them in the beauty salons.
[/QUOTE]Also not really true. Of course I will find out they are on their period. Some girls do not use "luuk jiap" yellow fluffy chicks stuffed up the pussy. Some will just refuse to fuck.

Others will have some pussy odour when go down on them. I always find the sponge whether by fingers in pussy, or by dick not feeling right and obstructed by something a bit rough compared to natural pussy lining. Also depends on fucking position how much the sponge affects the feeling, however when cock won't go in more than 4 inches without strange obstructed feeling, something has got to be wrong. Either sponge or dropped uterus. Pussies are supposed to stretch. So many times I had to ask the girl to take the sponge out in order to be able to fuck her. Less than 5% stead-fastly refused to take it out. Some try to deny it is there at first. Ha ha. I pointed out to them that I can tolerate a bit of colour. Put a towel down to catch the colour.

I have discovered there are girls (not many) that claim to use a sponge all time, regardless of period, this maybe to protect the uterus from bruising of a cock strike. I can't really do such girls that won't take it out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2318353]Just send her more Line messages. Show her you love her. When she finally reads them she'll likely fall in love with you for showing her you care so much. So much so that next trip you will get a freebie. Never give up pursuing that same girl. She's 1 in a million meaning there are only about 20 of her in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]This farce should probably be in Thailand Stupid Shit thread. The theory about El Mex being a troll feeding us shit is starting to look good. Maybe he will go away if we stop biting.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2318367]Also not really true. Of course I will find out they are on their period. Some girls do not use "luuk jiap" yellow fluffy chicks stuffed up the pussy. Some will just refuse to fuck.

Others will have some pussy odour when go down on them. I always find the sponge whether by fingers in pussy, or by dick not feeling right and obstructed by something a bit rough compared to natural pussy lining. Also depends on fucking position how much the sponge affects the feeling, however when cock won't go in more than 4 inches without strange obstructed feeling, something has got to be wrong. Either sponge or dropped uterus. Pussies are supposed to stretch. So many times I had to ask the girl to take the sponge out in order to be able to fuck her. Less than 5% stead-fastly refused to take it out. Some try to deny it is there at first. Ha ha. I pointed out to them that I can tolerate a bit of colour. Put a towel down to catch the colour.

I have discovered there are girls (not many) that claim to use a sponge all time, regardless of period, this maybe to protect the uterus from bruising of a cock strike. I can't really do such girls that won't take it out.[/QUOTE]I quoted someone else whilst posting my link.

And something went awry with the post?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2318367] however when cock won't go in more than 4 inches without strange obstructed feeling, something has got to be wrong. Either sponge or dropped uterus. [/QUOTE]Or a post-op ladyboy who had a small dick.

I think this is more serious than BB thinks, happened to me once.

Stunner had to pawn her phone to get cash to get sick buffalo treated by vet back home.

However bad luck she told when I bumped to her later in ibar on tow of another guy. ,

Buffalo did not make it and she lost her phone for good.

So OP just need to go buy new Buffalo to the stunner and all is set for next dinner.

Amen.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2318353]Just send her more Line messages. Show her you love her. When she finally reads them she'll likely fall in love with you for showing her you care so much. So much so that next trip you will get a freebie. Never give up pursuing that same girl. She's 1 in a million meaning there are only about 20 of her in Thailand.

She likely just forgot to top up her data plan at 7-11. Maybe she needs cash. Go see her at Palace and give her some cash so she can top up her data plan. Maybe she did lose her phone as you say. Go see her at Palace and ST her, then go to the mall and buy her a new phone. Not a big expense just 5000 BF + ST and 13,000 for new Samsung.

Do anything in your power to get her to read your messages. Tell her you will send money to her bank account after you leave. 100 baht for every message she reads and replies to. I know the going rate for a request like this is only 75 baht but remember she's only 1 of 20 in all of Thailand so don't worry about overpaying a bit for the long distance companionship.

As you can see guys here are anxiously waiting for your mongering updates. Please post them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2318387]Or a post-op ladyboy who had a small dick.[/QUOTE]That's the more likely cause.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2318368]This farce should probably be in Thailand Stupid Shit thread. The theory about El Mex being a troll feeding us shit is starting to look good. Maybe he will go away if we stop biting.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how much ink has been spilled over El Mexican story. This forum is starting to look and feel like the "stupid shit in Thailand" forum.

Built that Wall!

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 17, Friday May 3,2019.

After Secret left I decided to again text China Girl and this time she responded and we had a brief conversation. She said she has had a bad toothache and she wants it removed but the dentist doesn't, so I don't know. I ended up saying I was in Bangkok (I lied) and was happy here, letting her know that if she was hurting that it was ok to cancel. I am torn.

Options: Go to China and hope she will show up; will be a good tour guide who will travel with me; might eventually have sex with me. Odds of sex are low, odds of having a decent time nonetheless are moderate.

OR.

Stay in Pattaya and LT Secret girl. Well, her English isn't good and Pattaya is basically borning so staying entertained is difficult, but the sex is great. I could take her to Phuket but that is probably extreme in this case, especially given the English and I am not in love with her to do that. I could continue to monger here as well, but I am wearing down on that a bit.

OR.

Call up Thai GF and try to meet with her somewhere. This is probably what I should do. But even with the low odds of having sex with the China girl, the rewards are high. Maybe. So I have sex with another young lady. Will I want to marry her? No. It would just be the cumulation of a 6 year dream.

Sigh.

Anyway, BB texted me and we agreed to meet at the McDonalds just north of Soi 6 on Second Road. He wanted ice cream but the machine was not working. It was pretty hot day, but I don't think there is any correlation. I went on and ate lunch and he stole a few of my fries. We then hit Soi 6, walking back and forth. We stopped in one bar on the west that had a girl he was hot for, but as soon as we go in and order our drinks another dude steals her away. Just punishment for him stealing my fries! Haha No, I welcomed him reducing my unnecessary calorie intake there. We don't stay long but that petite girl at Quicky bar I had eyed a few days ago when I went with Nam was out and he encouraged me to go talk to her. I went over while he went to a bar next door.

The girl, Apple, was cute and 20 years old. She spoke very little English and I was about ready to give up on her, but she eventually loosened up after I massaged her back. The mamasan, however, was after her a bit. She was sitting in front of us and I heard he say something and Apple immediately took a gulp of her drink, so I assume she was told to drink faster, and I could tell she was telling her to try try to get me to go upstairs. I decided to go on and BF her, so up we went. Not a great shower and, technically, she was possbily sub par in the bed, with no BJ offered and only some light kissing, but she was slow and sensual. She seemed happy with what we were doing and called for a condom. She guided me in as we were on our sides facing each other and she felt surprisingly good with my Okamoto. 01's. I changed from the side to being on top and then to doggy and had I not drained the well last night I think she could have gotten me off.

As I was getting ready to take Apply up BB came by and, as far as I know, he went home. I think he found a couple of girls he will come back to spend time with later. He lives here and is in no hurry. As for me, I am down to my last two days.

I headed out to depart Soi 6 and walked by where Secret girl was and she was with some dude at a table. She saw me and waved as I walked by. Awkward in a way, though it shouldn't be. I may head back to Soi 6 before heading to WS.

I am feeling conflicted. I want to find that WS hottie but instead I head back to Soi 6 that night for Secret. I arrived at her club at 9:15 and man, was she wasted! Plastered. She is normally rather quiet and reserved, but not tonight. I stayed in 11 PM to get the cheaper BF and to simply watch her. I told her she needed to slow down but she accepted a couple more drinks from a dude or two who had been there, and someone range the bell to buy shots for all the girls. She knew she was drunk and was being bad, and I told her she was a bad girl but that I would take care of her. At 11 she was changed and ready to go with me and we returned to the Stones House on WS. One of the band members has gotten to know me and when I tipped them he gave me a big hug. It was getting late and we don't get to the hotel until 2:15. She has been drinking some more and starting to crash but the sex is decent.

In the morning, she is feeling the pain. I give some medicine and she leaves after breakfast. I helped her all I could. It was a bit difficult seeing her so drunk and chasing after men in the street while I was waiting for her last night, but good for me to see as well. This is what she does for a living. I am leaving Sunday, so there is only one more night before I leave this place.

P.S.: I am trying to finish these reports quickly so please forgive the typos and grammatical errors.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2318809] I stayed in 11 PM to get the cheaper BF and to simply watch her.[/QUOTE]I learned long ago it never pays to stay for even an hour to get the cheaper barfine. Will cost you way more in drinks and it is one less hour you get with your girl alone and not in a bar environment.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2318429]
So OP just need to go buy new Buffalo to the stunner and all is set for next dinner.
[/QUOTE]LOL. I'm eagerly awaiting his report about how he bought a buffalo and delivered it to her in Palace.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2318905]I learned long ago it never pays to stay for even an hour to get the cheaper barfine. Will cost you way more in drinks and it is one less hour you get with your girl alone and not in a bar environment.[/QUOTE]I sat with a girl for about 30-40 minutes and bought myself a drink + 2 LD. The BF was cheaper in 20 minutes so I said I'd wait. The owner said if I was going to wait I had to buy 2 more drinks. The bar was closing so it was empty. It ticked off so I just left. There was another bar where you can pay the full BF to book a girl and when you come back later to pick her up you get the difference back. No problems there. When I come back guess which bar I'll be going back to.

Hey bros,

Today I got to visit for the first time, the infamous Soi 6. I started with a nice fish curry with gravy and naan lunch at the Crown of India restaurant on the backside away from the Beach road. The meal was a 9/10 but expensive for the portion served. After my meal, I strolled down Soi 6 with chants of sexy handsome man everywhere, while a few girls try to grab and pull me. I think the girls were fond of me very much. Many beautiful stunners everywhere, but very hot and dangerous. I walked up and down Soi 6 about 3 times slowly to be able to get a good look at all the sexy girls and talent. It took about 45 minutes because sometimes I had to stand outside the bars to observe or else they will ask you to buy a drink if you go inside and look at the girls. A few times I almost got accident by cars and motorbikes. A girl from Lust bar grabbed my arm and would not let go, so I decided to join her bar for some company. I ordered a water and bought her a tequila shot also. She did not say much. Maybe she was only interested in making money of drinks. The whole time I tried to ask questions, she looked away or tried to hide her smile by covering her mouth. Perhaps, she had bad teeth so I pity her a bit because I think I was making her shy. Looks wise she was a 9/10 but her company was 3/10. She did not want to touch me when I moved her hand to my middle section. She told me she was new. We had little connection so I left. Next, I saw this nicer bar towards the end of 6 called Keylaya 66. Had a lot of stunners. Inside they had many fun board games and nice sofas. I think they had many Chinese girls working there because of the movies on the TV were in Chinese. I wanted to play some games like Jenga with some of the girls but then they started asking for drinks. So for awhile I sat on the sofa alone until the fatter mamasan with glasses asked me if I wanted a girl. I pointed to a very nice looking stunner 10/10 with nice boobs and body. Mamasan told me she was only a drinking girl and then offered me another girl. The other one was very pretty too, a 9/10. I paid 3000 total to the mamasan for the girl. The experience was excellent, 9/10. I was tired afterwards and went back to my room to rest up for Walking Street later tonight. The good times keep coming! I will keep you brothers updated with intel to help you successfully monger in Pattaya. Take care.

My last day before heading to China. I remain conflicted about going to China. I am so temped to contact the Thai GF or even stay in Pattaya, but China girl contacted me and despite having a tooth extracted, she is still planning to join me in Beijing Monday morning. So I must go. I must find out how we will be together and if there could be, how to proceed. But I have doubts and hope I won't ruin anything.

I hit Soi 6 in the afternoon and settle for Pu at Foxy Bar. Not sure why other than she was a spinner. Well, an old spinner and I should have realized she would have a tired, worn body. She tried and showed her experience with me in trying to get me off, but it was hopeless as I was saving myself for Secret that evening anyway.

After Pu I walked on down to Secret. I wanted to be with another girl but no one really caught my fancy and I didn't want to just pick a random girl just to be with one more girl other than Secret before leaving. She had sent me a touching Line message I had not seen, thanking me for taking care of her and telling me how much she was going to miss me. I guess I was making an impression on here and she was beginning to fall for me, whether real or imagined or a fake. (Some of you, including me, will be skeptical as to possible motives.) She wanted to go with me and I long timed her. Long story short, on this last night, after which I will likely have no sex for a long time, especially bareback sex, we engage is some long foreplay and I finally enter her in the spoon position. Then, after a minute maybe, she suddenly pulls out, looks down and, yep, she had started her period. Blood was on the sheets, on me. Sigh. She was still hungovered so we just went to sleep in each other's arms after washing. Maybe if she was really in love and since this was our last night together for at least 5 or 6 months she might have given me a BJ, but whatever. It was ok. I doubt I could have come by any other method, so it was ok.

Next morning was sad as I had to leave. She was actually taking it hard and while some could say she was sad as her money source was leaving, it did not seem quite like that to me. Neither of us could eat much breakfast. The Bell Bus pickup van arrived on schedule and she hugged me tightly, giving the folks in the lobby and van a brief show. I actually thought she was close to crying. She kept asking if she would ever see me again and if I would forget her. I said she probably would see me in November and of course I would not forget her. Secret's last words to me were "I will wait for your return. " I boarded the van, waved goodbye and though sad, was not distraught. Time to put her out of my mind and think of China girl, and what if THAT trip turned out to be a disaster.

The trip back to BKK went well as did the flight to Beijing.

So, this would seem to conclude my Pattaya report. It ends with me heading off to China to see a young woman I haven't seen in a few years on a risky visit, leaving the possibly newly-in-love Thai bar girl behind, as well as me destroying any possible visit to see my Thai GF during the last week of my trip. Rest assured I have not fallen in love with Secret by any means. She has affected me on several different levels and I do indeed care about her, but she is what she is in a business of her choosing, and in a contest between my Thai GF and Secret, the GF winds on nearly every point. I will sure miss her, and I think I have one more Pattaya trip in me before I just can't do this kind of thing anymore, so we will see. But, I have spent a record number of days in Pattaya. I was thinking I was getting bored and the Pattaya Blues hit me for a few days there, but this visit is ending on a high note, even though there is that touch of sadness you have when leaving a new friend.

Short story:

I did not arrive at Beijing airport until 3 AM Monday morning, where I allowed myself to get scammed for the ride to the hotel. I was unsure about the place and how to exchange money and get a taxi driver who could understand where I needed to go and, though I was sure I could work it all out, even the realization I was being scammed to get a ride did not detour me from accepting help from a scammer. I just wanted to get to the hotel and sleep a few hours before China girl would arrive.

I will say that China Southern was a nice airline to fly, but we parked way out in the boonies and had to take a relatively long transfer bus ride to the terminal which was not particularly tourist friendly. China girl arrived the next morning and didn't seem tooooo put off by the two beds in a single, small room at the Holiday Inn Express in Winjing, Beijing. But, she was not quite as attractive to me as she had been, which is no real surprise as it was 5 or 6 years ago, but there were still possibilities I thought. We headed out to see the Forbidden City. She was paying for everything as I had no local cash and there we no exchange booths in sight. But the Forbidden City was closed on Mondays so we just walked around the area which was nice and interesting, but I could tell things were not going well. Back at the hotel later, she wanted her own room, which I understood, but I wish she had mentioned that earlier when I had asked her if she had any expectations and she said she had none. Sure, I could have asked her if she was expecting her own room, and I felt guilty for deliberately NOT having asked her, but I got her a room. She felt bad at the price and decided to find us an airbnb. So, Tuesday morning, alone in her room, she looked for a place, with two bedrooms, and worked on a plan of where to go. I, alone in my room, thought about the situation and reading texts that Secret was sending me realized I did not want to stay in Beijing. Feeling bad for China girl, I told her I needed to go back to Thailand.

She took it well and all I will say is that rather than leave that day I decided to say and leave the next day (Wednesday) so she could go see the Forbidden City and Museum. I did owe her that. (She said she would not stay in the city if I left.) To exchange my money, we had to go to a bank, a far cry from Pattaya. I have no idea of how much it cost me, but I needed cash so I could start paying for things and to reimburse her for her expenses.

We did see the Forbidden City as well as the Olympic area, which was quite impressive. One thing about Beijing is it is a clean city and many of the government buildings were huge, but I didn't like it. When we got to the airbnb place, it was small, smelled and was old and in bad need of paint in the common areas. So, to me, the city had no heart. Big, open and impressive for show, but it was skin deep. Maybe the place would grow on me, put seeing soldiers at the National Museum practicing drawing and aiming rifles, it was clear this was a communist country.

Surprisingly, China girl didn't want any money from me other than the cost of the room that she had paid. I argued with her that I said I would pay for ALL of her expenses, but all she would accept from me was reimbursement for the room. Well, I managed to leave her enough to pay, I hoped, for her airfare out and train ride back to Shanghai, as well as for all the things that she had paid for when we were together. China girl was a great woman and I hurt her and maybe made her miss a few days of work, but those were sunk costs and I think I made the best decision. I do think I destroyed the friendship that she thought we had, but really, I am over twice her age and she rarely texted me, so if she drops me, that is really no loss to her or to me I suppose.

The main decision for me was who to go see in Thailand. I could surprise my Thai GF and ask her to meet me in Bangkok, but tell her to ask no questions. I gave that serious consideration. Or I could return to Pattaya and surprise Secret. I would have better sex with Secret, but I do miss my Thai GF. But, I was avoiding her as I am miffed she had failed to apply for a visa, so the thought of maintaining my stand with her, and the thoughts of having good sex, caused Pattaya and Secret to win.

But yes, I am back in Pattaya as of Wednesday night until Saturday morning.

Thursday.

Secret and I slept late, ate then she left at about 11:30 and I started on these reports. It was around 2:30 PM I guess when Banana Boy texted, asking about my plans. We agreed to meet at Terminal 21 at the KFC which has FREE SODA REFILLS! This is standard practice in the USA, so I am happy to see the beginnings of it coming here. We headed to Soi 6 where I was aggravating him as I didn't want to venture to far west where Secret was patiently waiting me to come get her, with him saying that was were the best bars were! BUt heck, she had texted me saying she had bar fined herself and was waiting for me! I told her to give me a few hours. I was hoping to find a cutie to be with before going to her.

Anyway, we arrive on Soi 6 after 3:30 I think, and the place was loaded with ladies! There were not that many dudes, but it was overflowing almost with bar girls. I had never seen Soi 6 like this. They were desperate! It was like, when I left Sunday, half the men left too. BB said low season was here. I guess so, but it happened so quickly!

After we traveled about halfway down I wanted to turn back. BB asked why, and I said I didn't want to risk Secret seeing me. He says that bar is way down there and we can get closer. I say no it isn't that far and even if she is upstairs waiting for me, all the people there and in the adjacent clubs knows me and will tell her I am there. These girls love to gossip. He scoffs and I figure I should man up, so we go closer before turning back around. I am further aggravating him as he is looking for me to decide a bar to go in to, and I just keep walking and looking. He says he is thirsty and I keep walking but we finally enter Nature Bar, if I remember correctly. There is a girl there I like and, of course, BB knows her. A girl comes over to us to take our drink order, and she points out a girl she claims likes me and my looking causes her to come over. I look at BB, as in "what do I do" as he knows I likes this other girl, and he eventually points out the girl I like to his girl, who goes over to her, but the girl I like says she is not feeling well today. BB says she is saying that because he is there. I guess it can't be because I am too old and even though there are a 1000 girls working with a dozen men on the street, she would rather take her chances. Haha We soon leave and I spot a girl but keep walking, and when we come back around I don't see her. BB is telling me I am starting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the girls off (and probably him), then I get a text from Secret. I was busted. Sure enough, she said a friend saw me there. So we walk down that way and she is there waiting for me, all dressed and ready to go. Well, I could use BB to say I was going to stay with him a while longer while I again try to find a girl, but if I did that I would end up settling for someone like Pu and end up wondering why did I BF this woman! While I sure don't need to let Secret, a bar girl, keep me from seeing someone else, I am thinking that I will get better sex from her than from anyone else in Pattaya, so while I like variety, why risk pissing Secret off for a lousy encounter with a random woman? I look at BB and he sees I am torn, but he understands, if possibly not thinking I am crazy, and I go inside to leave him to fend for himself.

Anyway, all the girls inside are happy even though there are hardly any guys out and about, and even the mamasan is happy, and I quickly leave with Secret. We walk to hotel as the day is nice (cloudy with a nice breeze). There are preparations for a big seafood fest celebration along the beach, so I guess Friday and Saturday will be full of beach vendors and food. At the hotel we basically nap for a few hours. After dark we get up and go for dinner then, I guess around 9 PM, head to WS. The baht bus gets there quickly and didn't come to a halt until we were past McDonalds. And on WS, while it was busy, where were the Chinese? We walked down a ways then turned around and went back to the Stones House. There was a different band who I enjoyed, as they played a lot of songs from the 70's. The band we normally see took over after 11 PM. Decidedly fewer Chinese there as I could tell by the cleaner air (fewer smokers), put it eventually filled up.

Back at the hotel, another great round of sex. It is more GF-like, but I got her to go down on me, something she hadn't been doing. Once she got started, she was awesome.

Friday.

My last day. Secret and I had breakfast and she left. She told me she has to return home to Issan tomorrow. I offered to let her come with me to BKK so she could save money and she agreed. So, I expect her to be with me tonight for some final sex, then we will both head out around 8 AM Saturday. I will depart for Taipai and home late that morning and she will take a ride to where ever in Issan.

I am about ready to head out for my last afternoon in Pattaya. I am thinking of returning to the East end of Soi 6. BB tells me not to take the chance of Secret finding out (he was so unconcerned yesterday! And recommended other options. No, I will return to Soi 6 I think. I did notice a bit less affection from Secret and as of 1:30 today she has not asked when I will be by to see her. I had told BB I might (again) try to get to WS to BF that hottie I keep meaning to find, but remembering the seafood festival on BR tonight, I might be better served grabbing my camera and Secret and having some fun there. I mean, again, Secret is pretty but not especially hot. But I know the hot girl I may be likely to find will give bad sex. So what do I do? Try for the hot girl and hope for the best but know I will get lousy sex, or go with the same-old pretty girl who I know I can do BB with and it will be awesome? Sigh.

Well, it is approaching 2 PM and I am thinking I will re-hit the Terminal 21 KFC, though I might first hit the east end of Soi 6. I can then get Secret and go with her to the seafood fest, then maybe tell her to wait for me in my hotel while I go to WS with a friend. I don't want to take her there as I don't want to stay out late as we have to get up early. I could try to BF a gogo girl early and go to a short time hotel then return to Secret. But knowing me, I will stick with Secret and the search on Soi 6 will be another bust.

I will go on and post this now as I may not have time to write what happens later for a number of days. If I can get in a quick report than is interesting however, I will try. I will also post an overview of my adventures on this, my longest trip to Pattaya ever. But I will say that I have not fallen in love with a bar girl. My Thai GF is still in my heart and I will have one heck of a decision to make if she ultimately fails to obtain a visa.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2319281]Sure, I could have asked her if she was expecting her own room, and I felt guilty for deliberately NOT having asked her, but I got her a room. She felt bad at the price [/QUOTE]Why do you keep feeling guilty for stuff involving chicks, especially when you are the one paying for shit? Had this chick in Dominican Republic once tell me that we are friends while we were at dinner. We had already fucked and she ordered shrimp at dinner. I told her that we were lovers. We went back and forth until I finally told her that friends don't eat shrimp. She asked what do they eat then? I said whatever they pay for. From then on we were lovers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319429]Why do you keep feeling guilty for stuff involving chicks, especially when you are the one paying for shit? [/QUOTE]You are correct. And indeed, when I made the decision to leave China I had you in mind, and how you would have called me out had I stayed and then reported I was unhappy. But I was never lovers with China girl and she had trusted me and left work to show me around, and I backed away when she was obviously not going to have sex with me. Well, that is not totally correct, but had she not objected to the sleeping arrangements, even if we never shared a bed, I would likely still be in China.

And an update. As many of you may have already guessed, once I got to Soi 6 I breezed passed all the crowded bars and went directly to Secret's bar. She was obviously happy, and some of the girls there made fun of me I guess, I don't know. She was happy to let me LT her but before leaving she needed to get her nails done, which she had scheduled before I came by. She also will need to come back later to pick up some laundry and to finish her own packing. While she was waiting for her nail appointment, I went to a hair place close by and ended up letting a LB cut and color my hair. She did pretty good, taking plenty of time. It is a tad darker that I wanted.

My main blunder is I should have gone to KFC first before meeting up with Secret. When we left, she wanted to walk down Beach Road and see the seafood fest, then go to the hotel, where she promptly crashed. That gave me time to pack up most of my things, but at 7 PM now I need to wake her up or she won't be able to get sleep tonight as we have to get up by 7:30 in the morning.

There likely won't be much more news tonight. We will either eat at Terminal 21 or at the festival. If we head to WS, it will be for the early show at Stones House then back here and for, me at least, sleep. I will be doing good to get 2 or 3 hours on the plane Saturday night, so the more I can get tonight the better. For her, I think she can sleep most anytime.

When I get home I will come back and post the final ending, then provide some comments about my 9th visit to Pattaya. After this trip I think I have one more Pattaya trip in me, but I don't know about any more beyond 2019. I am getting old; the frustrations from not being able to come in a condom or even orally is getting too much; and I need to decide about the Thai GF. I don't think Secret will be much of a factor in whether I come back or not. In a way, her presence could be limiting, but for this trip I was worried about Jen slowing me down, and do you even remember who Jen is now?? But if and when I finally commit to the Thai GF, Pattaya will be over, and it is not fair for me to keep her waiting while I try to live out my fantasies that are getting more difficult to live out each year.

But yeah, I had a good trip this time, thanks to Banana Boy for hanging out with me and giving advice, and to my fortunate find of Secret girl who has made sex enjoyable.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2319467]After this trip I think I have one more Pattaya trip in me, but I don't know about any more beyond 2019. I am getting old; the frustrations from not being able to come in a condom or even orally is getting too much[/QUOTE]You need to visit Jakarta or Phnom Penh then. They barely even know what condoms are in those cities. I assume the Philippines is the same. Same for any girl you've been with on Soi 6 more than 2 or 3 times in a week. You're unlucky to find one who will not do BBFS. Same for places like Kinnaree and Soi Full Love Inn.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2319444]You are correct. And indeed, when I made the decision to leave China I had you in mind, and how you would have called me out had I stayed and then reported I was unhappy. But I was never lovers with China girl and she had trusted me and left work to show me around, and I backed away when she was obviously not going to have sex with me. Well, that is not totally correct, but had she not objected to the sleeping arrangements, even if we never shared a bed, I would likely still be in China.[/QUOTE]That is why I said go to have fun. I don't plan trips around pussy. I plan around scuba diving and tourist stuff. I may meet chicks online with only the intention of having a good time, going out and her showing me around. If it ends up that I want to fuck and they don't, then that is what I use ISG for. One click and I know where to find pussy.

If I was only friends with a chick, I would have no problem telling her I am going out to look for some chicks to fuck. I would not abandon a trip based on one chick because she is not my reason for going there and I would always have backups in addition to her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319518]That is why I said go to have fun. I don't plan trips around pussy. I plan around scuba diving and tourist stuff. I may meet chicks online with only the intention of having a good time, going out and her showing me around. If it ends up that I want to fuck and they don't, then that is what I use ISG for. One click and I know where to find pussy.

If I was only friends with a chick, I would have no problem telling her I am going out to look for some chicks to fuck. I would not abandon a trip based on one chick because she is not my reason for going there and I would always have backups in addition to her.[/QUOTE]What a pity. He missed an opportunity of seeing China with a local and that's not to be missed. I wouldn't have traded my experiences like that for anything else. Getting pussy is an everyday occurrence almost anywhere in the world. Seems obsessed which can be blinding to a hell of a lot else going on. But hey.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2319444]You are correct. And indeed, when I made the decision to leave China I had you in mind, and how you would have called me out had I stayed and then reported I was unhappy. But I was never lovers with China girl and she had trusted me and left work to show me around, and I backed away when she was obviously not going to have sex with me. Well, that is not totally correct, but had she not objected to the sleeping arrangements, even if we never shared a bed, I would likely still be in China.[/QUOTE]Dude. You did what you thought was best as being a quality human being. And that is admirable not shameful. No need to apologize to anyone. If Mr E wants to berate a girl for ordering expensive food that is up to him. You do you.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2319660]Dude. You did what you thought was best as being a quality human being. And that is admirable not shameful. No need to apologize to anyone. If Mr E wants to berate a girl for ordering expensive food that is up to him. You do you.[/QUOTE]What the? You just said my whole point, which was no need to feel guilty and apologize to anyone! I did not berate anyone and the food was not expensive. All I did was make clear the parameters of the relationship, which most people fail to do.

And I hope you are not referring to me as a hater. That could not be farther from the truth. But if you are in fact doing that, then you can refer to FL's post when we hung out together in Pattaya. That is the problem with the internet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319670]What the? You just said my whole point, which was no need to feel guilty and apologize to anyone! I did not berate anyone and the food was not expensive. All I did was make clear the parameters of the relationship, which most people fail to do.

And I hope you are not referring to me as a hater. That could not be farther from the truth. But if you are in fact doing that, then you can refer to FL's post when we hung out together in Pattaya. That is the problem with the internet.[/QUOTE]OK. Fair enough. If we both think FLH has done admirably navigating the tricky GFE line then we are surely aligned. It's tough business to get really close to girls and then figure out distance again. Hard for me at least.

I've never been here and the girls don't look pretty enough for me to try this place but thought someone may be interested in trying out a fetush bar on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee. Not even sure if it's still open but there was a Facebook post in December, 2018.

[URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/mistress-in-pattaya.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2319950]I've never been here and the girls don't look pretty enough for me to try this place but thought someone may be interested in trying out a fetush bar on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee. Not even sure if it's still open but there was a Facebook post in December, 2018.

[URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/mistress-in-pattaya.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Been there twice some years ago, expensive and useless for Master guy who looking for slave girls IME. Maybe could be better for the slave guys looking for Mistress.

Reached Pattaya around 2 am Saturday.

Tired from a long flight so just went to sleep.

A Thai friendly girl sent a message on line and came to my hotel around 6. We fucked twice and got some sleep.

We got some breakfast around 9:30 at the hotel and she left for her day job or something.

Due to caffeine, I couldn't sleep and went on a stroll.

Got a foot massage, manicure and pedicure from a place across the street. Later walked to beach st and got some coconut water. Boy, that was very refreshing in the scorching heat.

Got some food at the central festival where I ran into a hot girl. Introduced myself and chatted for a bit. We exchanged line ids and she left. I came back, slept for a few hours and woke up at 9. Got some dinner and walked to walking street.

Headed to ibar and saw four girls drinking shots. I got a drink for myself and bought a round of shots for the girls. Seems like one of them is getting shipped to London and they are celebrating. I joined the group and bought them more drinks for the next couple hours. One of the cute ones showed some interest and they all were drunk. I sidelined this one and we spent more time at Insomnia. We got more drinks and asked her if she would go with me. And she did. Being drunk, we fucked for a bit and passed out.

We woke up and had another good round. She must be 26-27 and had a pretty tight bod and a tight pussy.

Got some breakfast and walked her towards her car which was parked in the royal garden mall. My thai friendly girl called with an excuse and I didn't push. Got another foot and shoulder massage on the way back. Not to forget the coconut water as well. Planning to meet this girl I met last night, around 5 pm to go to the glass house. I foresee more drinking and good sex.

Some Indians have ruined it for the fellow citizens but unless you take the first step and talk to the girl, establish the fact that you are respectful and classy, there is absolutely no fucking hope.

Hope to post another report tomorrow. I'm typing this on my phone, please excuse typos or bad line indentation.

Cheers and safe banging.

[QUOTE=LoverG;2320286]Got some food at the central festival where I ran into a hot girl. Introduced myself and chatted for a bit. We exchanged line ids and she left.[/QUOTE]You make it sound so easy, which it is. No idea why it is so hard for some guys. No need to go into an expensive place to pick up chicks. Just talk to any random one that you see around town.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2319950]I've never been here and the girls don't look pretty enough for me to try this place but thought someone may be interested in trying out a fetush bar on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee. Not even sure if it's still open but there was a Facebook post in December, 2018.

[URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/mistress-in-pattaya.html[/URL][/QUOTE]For those interested there are two clubs in Bangkok with a similar focus:

Demonia [URL]http://www.demoniabangkok.com/[/URL].

Barbar [URL]http://www.barbarfetishclub.com/[/URL].

SL.

Got back after dropping that girl and fell asleep.

Woke up at 5:30 ish because the hotel reception folks called to ask if I expecting a visitor. I let her in and got ready. She drove us to the glass house and we had some drinks, walked on the beach. We got dinner as well. Back in the room, we had couple more rounds of Jameson I picked up from duty free.

I took the lead and started kissing her. After 5 minutes or so, her top comes off. I slide my hand into her shorts from the bottom and she asked me to stop. I was surprised only to see her taking them off. We kissed for a bit while I rubbed her clit and she started playing with my dick.

Then I was trying to reach for a condom on the table behind the bed and my dick touched her shoulder in the process. She repositions herself and takes my dick in her mouth. That was phenomenal when I realize that was one of best blowjobs ever.

She is a keeper. I stopped her because I felt I may come. I chugged some more whiskey and we kissed again.

She put the condom on me and we fucked well. Both of us came in a bit. We passed out and I woke up early due to the jetlag.

She woke up a bit later and complained of headache which was obviously due the rough drinking the previous evening.

Gave her a blowfish and we got some eggs and coffee.

Once done with the breakfast, she said she was hungry and pulled my boxer down. That was fucking awesome. I came on her boobs and shortly she left.

I texted (or sent a message on line) this girl I met at the central festival. I carried my second phone and got a local sim at the airport. Verizon charges $10 a day for international roaming and I don't have to bother cleaning up shit on the phone e once I'm back home. I just to wipe it clean which takes 5-10 minutes.

Anyways, I asked if she wanted to get some lunch and she replied in 10 minutes saying yes. We went to a decent Italian restaurant on the beach road and then walked to Starbucks to get some caffeine. She said she goes to some university and is here for 2 weeks. I didn't rush into inviting her over because I wanted to not blow things up.

I came back in the next hour and she texted if I want to go out.

We went to walking street to insomnia upstairs and got drinks.

I wasn't feeling too well and asked if I can go back. She said she can join. We came back and thankfully the housekeeping was done.

I started playing some music on the bt speaker I carry and poured drinks for us. We eased up a bit and yeah ultimately I had sex with her. She rode me cowgirl after she warmed up and we then passed out.

I woke early again. Thanks to the jet lag and thought I should post this report. I'm just planning to stick to these two girls for today and the next day before I leave Pattaya / Thailand and get a spa package at oasis or releaf today.

Typed this on the phone. Please excuse typos and indentation.

Cheers and safe banging.

Nice report LoverG. I am of Indian origin but now live in US. In my last trip I somehow feel it's increasingly hard for Indians to get girl in insomnia or I bar. There is too much bad reputation and too many rejections. I had no problem spending money. I usually spend more than average Joe there.

Too many Indians now a days in Pattaya. I can't take it. I feel I have better luck in Vietnam and also Mexico.

[QUOTE=LoverG;2320286]Reached Pattaya around 2 am Saturday.

Some Indians have ruined it for the fellow citizens but unless you take the first step and talk to the girl, establish the fact that you are respectful and classy, there is absolutely no fucking hope.

Hope to post another report tomorrow. I'm typing this on my phone, please excuse typos or bad line indentation.

Cheers and safe banging.[/QUOTE]

Visited The Office which reopened on May 10. Nice renovations inside by the new owner. I counted 45 girls but there may have been more. Only 8 customers but at least everyone was buying drinks for the girls. I recognized some of the girls from What's Up, Panda, and surprisingly from Blue Olives G Club. If you plan on checking it out you may as well do it this week while they still have all the girls on their first contract.

[QUOTE=SamWise1;2321190]I am of Indian origin but now live in US. In my last trip I somehow feel it's increasingly hard for Indians to get girl in insomnia or I bar.

Too many Indians now a days in Pattaya. I can't take it. I feel I have better luck in Vietnam and also Mexico.[/QUOTE]Why do you have to get a chick at Insomnia or iBar? There are so many Indian guys these days that they have opened 3 discos just for them and they are always full. I even hunt at those discos. I am an equal opportunity monger. I do not care where I find my chicks. Plenty of them to go around. Go grab a chick at one of those new discos.

A fire – that is what a woman is, Gautama.

Her firewood is the vulva.

Her smoke is the pubic hair.

Her flame is the vagina.

When one penetrates her, that is her embers.

And her sparks are the climax.

In that very fire the gods offer semen.

And from that offering springs a man.

Maybe Indians need to be reintroduced to the Kama Sutra.

[QUOTE=SamWise1;2321190]Nice report LoverG. I am of Indian origin but now live in US. In my last trip I somehow feel it's increasingly hard for Indians to get girl in insomnia or I bar. There is too much bad reputation and too many rejections. I had no problem spending money. I usually spend more than average Joe there.

Too many Indians now a days in Pattaya. I can't take it. I feel I have better luck in Vietnam and also Mexico.[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

Vietnam is good for Indians. The girls treat us like kings there at the bars. I was there before Thailand for 2 days and for full service from a hottie, around $20-$30 USD. You will have good time. There is even a good Indian cuisine on Bui Vien street near Go 2 Bar. Mexico also is good destination. I been wanting to finish up my reporting but been too busy with all the action in Pattaya. This is truly a heaven destination for the single Indian. I finally went back to Walking Street around 19:50, but the Palace Club was not open, so I went to grab a shawarma first nearby. I saw a waitress and she told me tonight was no special party. After my dinner, I came back and saw the red shirt guy at the door. I told him that the waitress I spoke to earlier, told me there was no special party. He said okay and my friend the security with the red shirt let me in with no problems and no entrance fee. I think he was beginning to respect the fact that I am now a regular having seen me 3 times. I went inside and ordered a gin and tonic and about 30 minutes later saw my promo girl and the girl who I took to dinner previously. They were sitting together with a customer. It was odd because only she had a drink, but Jane from the other night did not and she was still sitting with the same guy. So I walked over there and said Hello, to the 2 girls. They smiled at me but did not talk back. Their customer did not say anything either. Maybe they did not want him to feel jealous, so I went back to my table and watched them. About 20 minutes later, I saw the mamasan come to their table and he gave her money. Then I saw the two girls go to the back. 15 minutes later, the promo girl comes down but she was changed in nice clothes. I pretended to go to the bathroom so I can ask her a question. I asked her why she go out with him and not me. She said they only go dancing but she has known him for a long time and he was good customer. Then Jane also comes down as well and she was in nice clothes too. I think the customer maybe was one of the girl's boyfriend because many girls working there were talking to all 3 before they got out the door. It was only 21:30 by now so I wanted to see what club was open that they were going to. I paid my bill 300 baht and followed them outside. They took a right on Walking Street and went to the side street were I ate with Jane the other night. There was a club called the Sapphire Club that they went inside. I followed them inside and to my surprise it was not a dance club, but another Go Go bar with many stunners. I took a seat at the stage across from the 2 Palace girls and their customer. After watching the Sapphire dancers a short while, I decided to Line message again Jane who I ate with the other night. I told her "Hi, and that I was at Sapphire Club too and maybe all of us can go disco dancing together." She got the message because after I send, I can see her look at her phone and then look around the Sapphire to see where I was. The 3 of them started talking and out of the crazy blue, Jane walks over and hands me 1000 baht. I ask her why she give back and she said that her customer tell her to. That was very odd because I did not know him, but she said that he knew me. Maybe now I famous. But she said that I could not go out with them because they not go to dance club, so I think promo girl lied to me. I beginning to think promo girl is a bad person. So the three of them left me at Sapphire and soon I saw on my Line that Jane's profile "left the chat" and was gone. Maybe her boyfriend got jealous we ate dinner the other night. I sat there a little while and saw this sexy model girl who was stunner. Her number was 333 and her name was Nest. She had a very nice ass with big boobies. After 2 drinks, I pay her for short time at a rate of 4000 baht for her and 1500 for the Sapphire barfine. We went back to Palace because that is where Nest stay in a hotel room above Palace. She only asked me to help pay clean for extra 300 baht. Her service was 9/10 but she said her teeth hurt from dentist so no kissing or blow job. Or else it would be 10/10. I had a blast for the next 30 or so minutes with Nest. So once again, it was a very lucky night for this Indian at Palace and Sapphire. Cheers brothers!

[QUOTE=SamWise1;2321190]Too many Indians now a days in Pattaya. I can't take it. I feel I have better luck in Vietnam and also Mexico.[/QUOTE]Jakarta, Phnom Penh, Angeles City, Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh are all better than Thailand as a SE Asia destination for sex monger Indians. Girls are more responsive to Indians in all those cities than in Pattaya / Bangkok. Except Kuala Lumpur all those cities would be a cheaper sex monger vacation when you factor in price for girls, hotels, food, taxis. Thailand is no longer a cheap monger destination especially with the rise of the Thai Baht.

ElMexicant, kudos to you that you were able to get Nest 333 at Sapphire. That's a feat I'm sure well over half the guys on here aren't able to pull off.

Stop having so much fun and sex and post those reviews. Get your priorities straight!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2321636]ElMexicant, kudos to you that you were able to get Nest 333 at Sapphire. That's a feat I'm sure well over half the guys on here aren't able to pull off.

Stop having so much fun and sex and post those reviews. Get your priorities straight![/QUOTE]You're fucking with him, right? 5,800 baht for 30 minutes is insane, and even more so with with no kissing or blowjob. He needs to get out of Pattaya because he's getting fleeced by everyone.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2321558]Her number was 333 and her name was Nest. [/QUOTE]Thais should not be able to pronounce the name "Nest" so surprises me. What did it sound like?

Thai words never have an "st" combination together, and Thai words never end in "s" sound either.

Could be pronounced "Net" I guess but never heard of it. "Nit", "Nut", "Noot", "Naet" , "Not" and "Noat" are common. Thais love nicknames starting with "N".

If any Thai can say this, I would give them a big prize:
"The sixth sick Sheik's sixth sheep is sick". So far not one came close, even those that speak English very well. Sixth is very difficult for Thais indeed, and even "sh" is tricky for them. I imagine Thais speaking German is even tougher with consonant clusters: "Sprichst du Deutsch?"

When we speak Thai, we are firstly bad at tones, then at getting correct vowel sounds included whether short or long. Getting vowel sounds wrong in Thai makes the word unintelligible (not the case in English).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2321667]Thais should not be able to pronounce the name "Nest" so surprises me. What did it sound like?[/QUOTE]Her name is Ness but Nest is better, no?

This is 'Nest' 333. Some of you may find humor in why she chose her number.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2321558]Hey bro,

Vietnam is good for Indians. The girls treat us like kings there at the bars. I was there before Thailand for 2 days and for full service from a hottie, around $20-$30 USD. You will have good time. There is even a good Indian cuisine on Bui Vien street near Go 2 Bar. Mexico also is good destination. I been wanting to finish up my reporting but been too busy with all the action in Pattaya. This is truly a heaven destination for the single Indian. I finally went back to Walking Street around 19:50, but the Palace Club was not open, so I went to grab a shawarma first nearby. I saw a waitress and she told me tonight was no special party. After my dinner, I came back and saw the red shirt guy at the door. I told him that the waitress I spoke to earlier, told me there was no special party. He said okay and my friend the security with the red shirt let me in with no problems and no entrance fee. I think he was beginning to respect the fact that I am now a regular having seen me 3 times. I went inside and ordered a gin and tonic and about 30 minutes later saw my promo girl and the girl who I took to dinner previously. They were sitting together with a customer. It was odd because only she had a drink, but Jane from the other night did not and she was still sitting with the same guy. So I walked over there and said Hello, to the 2 girls.[/QUOTE]ElMexicant, that's very impressive!

P.S. I wonder why her left hand is always aiming for her you know what.

This must be my 7th trip to Thailand in 3 years. Have so many Visa Stamps that the immigration officer at my country looked at me sheepishly and grinned. Jeez that was embarrassing.

Anyhow coming to the trip had come with a friend. Early morning flight got down at DMK. Cleared the immigration in half hour flat. Took the Shuttle to Mochit bus terminus From there directly to the city of Love. Oh sweet Pattaya how I yearned thee. Got down at Pattaya bus terminus took a songthaew and directly to our destination. Oh sweet Pattaya how I yearned thee!

Stayed at galaxy suites which is directly above heaven above agogo. Had booked a jacuzzi suite for me and a standard room for my friend. Check in was smooth with super emphatic manager with 2 super cute kids.

Anyhow checked in freshened up and let the games begin.

11th may we started with a oil massage a normal massage with extra pressure on all the points. Lunch was at the salad bar below Central with the body satiated now time to get the juices rolling.

I have been to pattaya 5 times out of my 7 trips to thailand and never been to soi 6 so thought of startng from there. We went inside soi 6 I guess the time was around 4 it was hot outside just walking down the lane looking at see (lick) bar myfriendyou brought me memories of the hours spent on this forum. Oh sweet Pattaya how I yearned thee. Anyhow walked down the lane a cute 24 yer old caught my eye or rather my arm as she pulled me inside. Well the A / see was on and we needed a beer so we went inside. Started off with a beer trying to talk to a girl who is also trying to learn the language is tad funny. Bought them 2 lds each I beliver it was 95 for a sanmig light and 120 for a LD. Oh whilst leaving we also ordered 6 tequilas 2 each for the girls and 2 for the mamasan the bar was Lust on SOI 6 I remember this cause I still have their lighter. Walking down the lane my friend spotted a beauty on a club called passion she was a real stunner a 10 if I heard my friend right. Well not one to waste time he went inside and immediately got her a LD. Now my friend did not want to take her upstairs he wanted to BF her and take her for the whole day. This girl she said she already has a customer. So Old Readers of this forum what would be the reason for this was she genuinely having a customer or was just trying to blow her off. To be noted my friend was willing to blow cash on her so money I guess was not a issue.

From there back to the hotel for a nap. We slept for 3 hours I guess got up around 10 30 ate a light dinner and went to these Indian discos. Now Indian discos are a world of their own. Filled with people who are willing to pay 250 for a beer which costs 42 outside. (and we are called Cheap) go figure that out. Anyhow we went upstairs at a disc called Nasha I guess played a game of pool had a look at the talent available there was way too guys and too less of ladies we just left. It was 12 already. We headed to the one place that still makes sense in WS insomnia ibar Oh sweet Insomnia how I yearned thee! Why it still makes sense is. The only good place which allows you irrespective of your race. Fanatabulous music cute girls and cheap beer (apples to apples) Went upstairs saw a cutie immediately. Went upto her and asked her upfront that I am looking for fun tonight I will take you for LT but I will not leave this bar before 6. She said that she has to be back to her workplace by 10 and that she would like to leave my place by 8. I could no do that what good is a LT if you don't at least get in 2 shots and after dancing and drinking for 5 hours straight it would be a miracle if I could walk back without faltering to my hotel my room and my bed. The music was unbelievable we were standing near the dj console and my friend had already spotted his muse. He saw me with the other girl and asked me if she is ok with coming with you. I told her she has work and won't come sounding dejected. My friend sensed that and being the perfect wing man which he is he immediate set me up with Nat. A petite Isaan beauty with the perfect smile and oh boy did I fall for her hook line and sinker. We danced the night away. Man was I smitten with her. I always tell myself not to fal in love but I guess I am a hopeless romantic. We left around 5 30 not after having at least 8 beers 4 shots of tequila being invited to the VIP lounge upstairs making out in the lounge. In the room it was standard procedure till we showered once in bed she was ferocious fantastic kisser and she literally screamed when she Orgasmed on DATY. I don't know I guess I am too much in love with her to post any other details. But believe me it was the best night out of my entire stay of Thailand we both slept till 1. Made her coffee. She left leaving me with a hole in my heart and that familiar feeling of missing somebody just moments after they have left.

I am a fool I do this every time I keep telling myself not to fall in love as this seldom works out in your favour but no I guess I am a fool.

Anyhow day 2 trip report will follow soon.

Keep mongering.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2321755]Now my friend did not want to take her upstairs he wanted to BF her and take her for the whole day. This girl she said she already has a customer. So Old Readers of this forum what would be the reason for this was she genuinely having a customer or was just trying to blow her off. To be noted my friend was willing to blow cash on her so money I guess was not a issue.[/QUOTE]

Could be many reasons but I'm guessing since it was only 4 pm the girl was thinking she can likely make more on drinks and rooms than she can doing a LT so early in the day. I'm sure if your friend offered her 5k for LT it would have changed her mind. She could have been telling the truth girls get pre-barfined on Soi 6 and will work until their date shows up later in the evening. To test if she was making excuses your buddy could have suggested barfining her tomorrow night and see what she says.

Hit the bars with Natty tonight. Plan was to meet at Baccara early. I don't expect much out of gogo bars at 7:30 pm but tonight was so bad I immediately messaged Natty to meet me at Happy instead.

My first visit to Happy since the expansion and, as expected, this bar is huge now. Didn't take us long to figure out that the girls in the old Beach Club area were more to our liking than the ones on the main stage. Not a bad lineup at all at Happy before 8 pm. I think I will shift Happy back to my first bar of the night rather than Baccara.

Next up Palace. A very poor overall lineup tonight and not because my girls weren't there. It just wasn't up to Palace standards.

A fly by to Panda. I knew as we were sitting down this wasn't going to be the place Natty would find a girl to his specs so we left.

Sensations. Not great either tonight but Natty found a nice girl who seemed very friendly. This is where I lose Natty for the rest of the night.

On my own now I hit Pin Up. Really becoming too popular where it's difficult to find a seat. Nice girls here as usual.

Walked by Glass House and I see a very young looking cute TINY spinner who looked familiar. Was on my way to Lighthouse but as I walked away I said to myself I'm not finding anyone better anywhere else so turned back to Glass House. I pull the PR Girl in for a drink. She sits down and says "You don't remember me, do you?" Turns out I met her last year at my Secret gogo bar in LK Metro. Natty would like this one.

Lighthouse. Looking for my girl I met about 2 weeks ago. Not there. Lots of thin girls here. Girls here are fun! Just a fun bar to be in. I picked the one who looks like #174 at Palace. Had a great time. Again, I need to keep reminding myself to go to Lighthouse more often.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2321958]Could be many reasons but I'm guessing since it was only 4 pm the girl was thinking she can likely make more on drinks and rooms than she can doing a LT so early in the day. I'm sure if your friend offered her 5k for LT it would have changed her mind. She could have been telling the truth girls get pre-barfined on Soi 6 and will work until their date shows up later in the evening. To test if she was making excuses your buddy could have suggested barfining her tomorrow night and see what she says.[/QUOTE]He did that he did get her line ID. But she replied that she would love to come with him but her customer is taking her to Bangkok for 5 days. Anyhow that was that. She was good but really good. I believe she was from passion bar name was if my memory serves me right luna.

Could anyone bring me up to speed with the warning about MERS disease announced by air Asia. Just landed in DMK and I'm worried about this notification. I'm literally jumping away from people who start coughing and sneezing. People living in Pattaya, requesting you to shed some light. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2322028]Could anyone bring me up to speed with the warning about MERS disease announced by air Asia. Just landed in DMK and I'm worried about this notification. I'm literally jumping away from people who start coughing and sneezing. People living in Pattaya, requesting you to shed some light. Thank you![/QUOTE]Wow. You actually went during the MERS epidemic. Man you had better get your ass out of there YESTERDAY!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2322086]Wow. You actually went during the MERS epidemic. Man you had better get your ass out of there YESTERDAY![/QUOTE]My flight isn't till the 21st. Any suggestions on what I should avoid or be aware of?

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2322028]Could anyone bring me up to speed with the warning about MERS disease announced by air Asia. [/QUOTE]What warning? I can't find it. I can only find old information about a MERS outbreak back in 2015 - 2016.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2322174]What warning? I can't find it. I can only find old information about a MERS outbreak back in 2015 - 2016.[/QUOTE]At the end of the flight in air Asia, the crew announced twice to be cautious about MERS, she even told us the symptoms and if we experience it we need to immediately report it to the local government hospital. She stressed that this was an update from the CDC. All I could find on the Web is the below update from the government.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/589965/2-people-cleared-of-mers-virus[/URL]

Went to Toy box. Should say Soi 6 had a deserted look with more girls than Customers in the entire soi.

Anyhow Toy box was fun loud music with good babes. We ordered the usual San Mig Light and were talking to the manager when a cute gal approached us. I bought her a LD she was good with braces but my heart was set on Nat who said she will meet me by 9.

We started talking when loud siren noises filled the bar. Someone had just rang the bell and well all drinks on the house were on them. I guess they were Germans just couldn't pick up the accent anyhow twice they rang the bell free drinks for everyone.

I knew I had to repay this. Silently got up rang the bell with screams from the mamasan. I believe ringing the bell buying drinks cost you around 3 k. Which was Quite Cheap and exhilarating bought all the girls a drink paid up our tab. Got our name written on the board with a marker yay. Def going back to top the list.

My friend wanted to check if his girl from the other bar was back so went to passion but she was not to be found the mama confirmed that she had gone with a customer to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2322095]My flight isn't till the 21st. Any suggestions on what I should avoid or be aware of?[/QUOTE]Your biggest danger is mosquitos and road accidents (forget MERS):

"In addition to malaria, dengue, chikungunya, filariasis, Japanese encephalitis, and plague can be contracted by insect bites while in Thailand. Advise travelers to follow the insect avoidance measures described above to prevent these illnesses".

Hey bros,

I've been spending more time on the famous Soi 6 of late. They have a nice blow job bar there. As I was strolling checking out the scene once again, a nice tall slim girl with white dress and big fakes boobies grabbed my arm at the Full Moon Club. She made a gesture of a blow job with her hand and her mouth. I ask her how much and she pointed at me one finger up. So I handed her 1000 baht and she took me up to a room above the club. Once in the room, she took a wet towel and cleaned me up. Then proceeded with a good BJ in which she took off her top to reveal big man made's. She did allow to touch her boobies but did not allow to touch her pussy. She did not want to undress naked. Maybe she wanted more money? When I was close, she use her hands and I finish in 15 minutes in a towel. Not much conversation, I think she was a deaf or mute, but then when I dress, she stick out her hand and say "tip!" I give her 100 baht extra. No barfine and no drink required. I hope this is good intel for my mongering brothers. Cheers.

Decided to take Natty to Kinnaree today as he had never been. Arrived around 3 pm and I've never seen it so dead. I was last there 2 weeks ago and it was bad but at least there were about 40 girls there. Today there were around 15 girls which is very few on a Thursday. We were going to leave but since we hauled our asses all the way to Kinnaree I figured we would stick it out a bit. A girl approached Natty and they seemed to hit it off. She called her friend over for me and it happened to be a new girl I spoke with briefly 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks ago I ignored her since my cute regulars were there but today she looked like Miss America. Natty and I made the best of a bad situation.

Decided to hit Le Passion in Jomtien over nearby Blue Olive, Heaven, Jade House, and Kit Cat. Never seen this place so dead either. Usually at least 25 girls today 10 max. Natty found a girl who he seemed to have a lot of fun with so all was good.

Soi Full Love inn after that. Hit 007 which wasn't any better than when I went the other day. Walked in and out of Club 4. I liked a girl sitting outside in the new bar between Club 4 and 007. Forgot the name off the top of my head. Then a quick stop in Pirates. Pirates had 20 girls today according to my girl. I wanted a very petite one who was leaving the bar when we walked in. Will find her another day. Natty hooked up with a tall one with a very pretty face. As good as it gets on Soi Full Love inn and imo better than anyone currently on Soi 6. She is gogo girl quality and I'm sure she will figure that out soon enough. I was a bit jealous. I just hung out with my long time girl at Pirates.

Overall the bars themselves sucked but enjoyed trading stories with Natty.

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2322028]Could anyone bring me up to speed with the warning about MERS disease announced by air Asia. Just landed in DMK and I'm worried about this notification.[/QUOTE]Was you flight coming from the Middle East?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2321403]Visited The Office which reopened on May 10. Nice renovations inside by the new owner. I counted 45 girls but there may have been more. Only 8 customers but at least everyone was buying drinks for the girls. I recognized some of the girls from What's Up, Panda, and surprisingly from Blue Olives G Club. If you plan on checking it out you may as well do it this week while they still have all the girls on their first contract.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip, BB! I just finalized my dates and will be in Pattaya the second week of June. If you are around (or anyone else for that matter) I'll be happy to raise a few glasses and check out the gash.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2322411]Soi 6....Full Moon Club. She made a gesture of a blow job with her hand and her mouth....She did allow to touch her boobies but did not allow to touch her pussy. She did not want to undress naked. Maybe she wanted more money? .....Not much conversation, I think she was a deaf or mute[/QUOTE]ElMexicant, great review of Full Moon Bar on Soi 6 but I'm POSITIVE you know why this may not be a legal review on ISG.

Keep the reviews coming. It was a good laugh for me this morning.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2322411]I've been spending more time on the famous Soi 6 of late. They have a nice blow job bar there. As I was strolling checking out the scene once again, a nice tall slim girl with white dress and big fakes boobies grabbed my arm at the Full Moon Club. She made a gesture of a blow job with her hand and her mouth. I ask her how much and she pointed at me one finger up. So I handed her 1000 baht and she took me up to a room above the club. Once in the room, she took a wet towel and cleaned me up. Then proceeded with a good BJ in which she took off her top to reveal big man made's. She did allow to touch her boobies but did not allow to touch her pussy. She did not want to undress naked. Maybe she wanted more money? When I was close, she use her hands and I finish in 15 minutes in a towel. Not much conversation, I think she was a deaf or mute, but then when I dress, she stick out her hand and say "tip!" I give her 100 baht extra. No barfine and no drink required. I hope this is good intel for my mongering brothers. Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are definitely trolling. You just described the exact same thing as you did with the last ladyboy except you did not get on a motorbike taxi and did not go to your hotel. Nobody could be that naive. Didn't I mention that a ladyboy will try not to talk or will whisper so you will not hear the deep voice? And you thought HE was a deaf mute? And once again this "girl" did not want to take HIS pants off either?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2316513]I ran into the same tall white skinned girl I met the other night who gave me a good blow job. In the room, after she went to the bathroom, she surprisingly told me that her menstruation just arrived. I was kind of upset but she offered a nice long blow job with a massage just like the other night. Soon my pants were off and she was giving a very good BJ using both hands and mouth. Within 5 minutes I felt myself about to finish and asked to slow down, but she then just switched to her hand and I came a few seconds later. I felt so relieved. I asked about the massage after but too bad she needed to go buy tampons. She gave me her Line and said in week she will finish her period so we can have sex. But for only 1000, she can blow job me anytime until then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860]ended up grabbing a very hot and sexy girl off Beach Road for 1500. She could have easily gone for 3000 or more if she worked at the go go bars because it's rare you see tall girls with light skin outside of the clubs. Back in the room, she told me that she started to get stomach cramps from walking and couldn't have sex. So I ended up accepting a quick shoulder massage, followed by a blow job and hand job to finish. All for 1000 baht. [/QUOTE] So towards the end of April she told you she had cramps and 2 weeks later she said she was on her period?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2322543]You are definitely trolling. You just described the exact same thing as you did with the last ladyboy except you did not get on a motorbike taxi and did not go to your hotel. Nobody could be that naive. Didn't I mention that a ladyboy will try not to talk or will whisper so you will not hear the deep voice? And you thought HE was a deaf mute? And once again this "girl" did not want to take HIS pants off either?[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

Why do make the assumption my girls are lady boys? Awhile back when I was in Bangkok, I also paid 1000 for many blow jobs at Dr. BJ Saloon. That was standard price, so I think it cost same Pattaya. The girls did not want to take off their dress or let touch pussy either. At Dr. BJ Saloon. They also not talk too much either. So any girl at blow job bar is supposed to let you do whatever you want? If that is case, maybe I am naive. Also then many of girls who give me massages recently must be same because they not talk too much or let touch. I pay the same 300 for massage and 700 extra hand job or 1000 extra blow job.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2314860] followed by a blow job and hand job to finish. [/QUOTE]Just to be clear, she gave you the blow job and hand job?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2322423]Decided to take Natty to Kinnaree today as he had never been. Arrived around 3 pm and I've never seen it so dead. I was last there 2 weeks ago and it was bad but at least there were about 40 girls there. Today there were around 15 girls which is very few on a Thursday. We were going to leave but since we hauled our asses all the way to Kinnaree I figured we would stick it out a bit. A girl approached Natty and they seemed to hit it off. She called her friend over for me and it happened to be a new girl I spoke with briefly 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks ago I ignored her since my cute regulars were there but today she looked like Miss America. Natty and I made the best of a bad situation.

Decided to hit Le Passion in Jomtien over nearby Blue Olive, Heaven, Jade House, and Kit Cat. Never seen this place so dead either. Usually at least 25 girls today 10 max. Natty found a girl who he seemed to have a lot of fun with so all was good.

Soi Full Love inn after that. Hit 007 which wasn't any better than when I went the other day. Walked in and out of Club 4. I liked a girl sitting outside in the new bar between Club 4 and 007. Forgot the name off the top of my head. Then a quick stop in Pirates. Pirates had 20 girls today according to my girl. I wanted a very petite one who was leaving the bar when we walked in. Will find her another day. Natty hooked up with a tall one with a very pretty face. As good as it gets on Soi Full Love inn and imo better than anyone currently on Soi 6. She is gogo girl quality and I'm sure she will figure that out soon enough. I was a bit jealous. I just hung out with my long time girl at Pirates.

Overall the bars themselves sucked but enjoyed trading stories with Natty.[/QUOTE]Afternoon Day 3 in Pattaya.

First, I am having a great time in Pattaya. My only issue is that I did not schedule enough time to do the place justice. I really wish I had another week to 10 days here. I will post my Go Go report when I have the time to write it. LOL. At the moment I have a little spare time on my hands since I am up anyway (early riser) and my Sensations Blondie is still sleeping. She is a very nice girl, with a petite no fat body, a little on the wrong side of 30, but the sex is great. She is my 2nd 30 something girl of this trip. Both have been pretty amazing in bed.

So yesterday afternoon before my dinner date with Sensations Blondie, the possibilities were to hang out by the hotel pool, but it was cloudy, attend the all you can eat Durian festival on ground floor at Central, but how much Durian can one eat in an hour?, hit Soi 6 a 2nd afternoon in a row, I enjoyed my romp there the previous afternoon, or take a look / see at Kinaree with my pal BB. It was a no brainer.

Now I wasn't expecting too much at Kinaree, but BB is right. The selection was not good on this particular Thursday afternoon. I can only say that it was a good thing they keep it pretty dark in there. Ha Ha, Anyway, the best of the available girls came over and said Hi and I figured I was here, so I might as well sample the goods. Thus we sat down on a couch and got to know one another and of course, after a certain amount of time had elapsed, she wanted to go to a loom, but that was not going to happen and it was time to move on, but I gave her a small tip for her cordiality and time.

BB then suggested we head to LE Passion which is located at the end of a soi in a quiet residential neighborhood. The lighting was a little better in here and like in the other bordello, a girl who was arguably the best looking available girl in the joint came over to say Hello,. At least she was a little better looking than the Kinaree gal and this one immediately began planting kisses on my face and mouth. I bought her a drink and over time she slipped her hand inside my jeans and gave me truly enjoyable hand job. Her caresses felt so good that I did not want to leave. 555. But at the same time I was not going to a loom to shag her, so I knew our brief encounter had to end. I gave this one a larger tip as we left. She was happy and so was I.

Then it was time to go back to Pattaya and BB suggested checking out Soi Full Love Inn honky tonks. The 1st 3 bars we checked out are kind of blur to me, although I remember Club 4 had beds, but the girls were not quite up to standards. Then I think it was in 007 that I met a thin bond girl that I kind of liked in a raunchy way, but passed on taking things any further.

And then BB said we should look into one more bar while we were here, namely Pirates. And this bar turned out to be for me at least, the best bar of the afternoon. Yes, I hooked up with the tall girl with very nice proportions, long brown hair, and a pretty face. Later as we left Pirates I told BB that if we had started our GQ barhop in this bar I would have taken her to a loom. As it is, I have her name and I made tentative plans to see her this afternoon. As of right now, I think there is a 75% probability that I will go back to Pirates this afternoon and complete the mission. She was that sexy and easily the best looking girl of the afternoon. Ok, got to go. Sensations blondie is waking up. It's now time for morning boom boom. Enjoying Pattaya. It's my vacation from my vacation.

P.S. It was fun going around with you to these naughty bars. Stay thirsty BB. I know you will.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2322566]
And then BB said we should look into one more bar while we were here, namely Pirates. And this bar turned out to be for me at least, the best bar of the afternoon. [/QUOTE]Pirates is the best bar but I wanted you to see the horror of the other bars first! What are friends for? I better get there quick to attack your girl before you! Maybe I'll go for the Smurf who was leaving when we walked in instead.

Best girl I ever met on Soi Full Love inn was at Carre Blanc but she was the only girl I ever liked there. She deleted her Line so I can only assume she is out of the business.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2322566]
First, I am having a great time in Pattaya. My only issue is that I did not schedule enough time to do the place justice.[/QUOTE]I always advise that Thailand is a go with the flow place. Spend more time than you planned. Don't have a rigid schedule. I suppose the more limited your time and the more places to visit, the more you need a schedule.

I therefore don't like to make a lot of bookings well in advance. I suppose prices can go up.

My first 5 week trip to Thailand, I may have had first hotel booked, but nothing after that. Went with a group of 5 Thais met in home country on tour of South Thailand, but their pace moving from place to place was too fast for me, whirlwind visit to Koh Samui, so soon split from them. I could then check out Phuket at easy pace.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2322423]Arrived around 3 pm and I've never seen it so dead.

Decided to hit Le Passion in Jomtien over nearby Blue Olive, Heaven, Jade House, and Kit Cat. Never seen this place so dead either.

Soi Full Love inn after that. Hit 007 which wasn't any better than when I went the other day.

Overall the bars themselves sucked but enjoyed trading stories with Natty.[/QUOTE]I think this might the build up to the big Buddha Day, a lot of girls may be returning home to spend time with families. Bars are anyways closed for a couple of days, so might as well head home. Eh?

[QUOTE=Raphael92;2322215]All I could find on the Web is the below update from the government.
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/589965/2-people-cleared-of-mers-virus[/URL][/QUOTE]This 'update' is dated 12 Jun 2015.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2322623]I think this might the build up to the big Buddha Day, a lot of girls may be returning home to spend time with families. Bars are anyways closed for a couple of days, so might as well head home. Eh?[/QUOTE]Visakha Bucha day (pronounced Wisakhaa) is Sat 18th May so I am guessing I won't be able to buy Alcohol at the supermarket tomorrow. The official public officials holiday for it is Monday 20 May, however I expect alcohol will be available that day, since is not the real day (I guess).

Bars maybe open tonight, but could be quiet. Not clear to me if they officially have to close at midnight. Bars should be closed Saturday night.

This web site says bars close on 20 May but not 18 May. So they think differently to me. Are they right?

[URL]https://pattayasanook.com/thai-culture/thailand-holidays/[/URL]

This web site seems to suggest bars closed both days:

[URL]http://www.pattayagogos.com/diary.htm[/URL]

This web site suggests closed 18 May in line with my thinking:

[URL]https://thaigogobar.com/resources/holidays-bar-closures-in-thailand-2019/[/URL]

Ha ha. What a mess. Who is right? Many web sites have 2018 dates but not for 2019.

It's my view that alcohol is not served on religious holidays (without being certain. Logic can be wrong), nothing to do with a substitute day off on a Monday when real day falls on the weekend day.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2322623]I think this might the build up to the big Buddha Day, a lot of girls may be returning home to spend time with families. Bars are anyways closed for a couple of days, so might as well head home. Eh?[/QUOTE]I think you are correct. I only know bars will be closed tomorrow so far. Whether that means midnight tonight is to be seen. TIT so bars won't know if they can open Monday until Sunday.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2322658]I think you are correct. I only know bars will be closed tomorrow so far. Whether that means midnight tonight is to be seen. TIT so bars won't know if they can open Monday until Sunday.[/QUOTE]OK, so this is not a direct indication, but a standard wine shop I know will be open today (Friday), closed Saturday, and re-open Sunday.

Not sure what it implies for bars, but at least we can get booze if we can survive 24 hours of sobriety.

Gogo bars in LK Metro shut down around midnight tonight.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2322543]You are definitely trolling. You just described the exact same thing as you did with the last ladyboy except you did not get on a motorbike taxi and did not go to your hotel. Nobody could be that naive. Didn't I mention that a ladyboy will try not to talk or will whisper so you will not hear the deep voice? And you thought HE was a deaf mute? And once again this "girl" did not want to take HIS pants off either?


So towards the end of April she told you she had cramps and 2 weeks later she said she was on her period?[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

I'm not sure what you are talking about 2 weeks later. My first report of her was April 30 and second report was May 4. You are confusing. Today, I decided to send her a Line message to meet. I really liked this girl, so I asked her to go to the beach across LK Empress. I was even willing to pay her hoping she will have sex with me. We had a nice lunch and I had to buy her a swim suit because she didn't bring one. It was a surprise to her I asking. After we hang out a bit, she went home and I pay her 1000 baht for just spending time. No blow job today. I think she is a keeper and want to play long game relationship with me. Maybe that's why she won't have sex with me. She wants boyfriend. I will keep trying to romantic her. Cheers.

[URL]https://ibb.co/NykYjS2[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2322561]Just to be clear, she gave you the blow job and hand job?[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

She give me nice blow job and hand job same time. When I was going to finish she only use her hand and I shoot in the towel. No touching pussy, no take off dress. Not bad for 1100 baht. I'm not sure why other guys expect her to have a conversation during blow job. Is this standard?

A kind of rambling trip report. My apologies. No one has to read it if they don't want to. The key salient point is Natty liked Pattaya. Specifically, his Sensations girl and his 2 Pin Up Go Go girls as well as a couple of afternoon diversions.

The Go Go's were pretty good last night (Friday). I started out in Lighthouse at around 9:30. I saw a very pretty girl there and she seemed very friendly but did not pursue anything with her at the time as I wanted to go back to Happy.

Happy was happy. Lots of customers and plenty of girls on all 3 stages. I am sure I could have found someone delectable here too, but I just had to go back to Pin Up.

Pin Up at 10:30 was going strong. I really like the girls in this joint. There were at least 7 or 8 girls, probably more, that were to my taste. So how do you pick a girl in such a rich environment? Easy, you let one of the sexy 8 pick you and that's exactly what I did.

P was pretty, but not gorgeous. She had a sexy, curvy, thin body. Thin upper arms (inside joke) and an outgoing personality. I bought 2 rounds of tequila for us as she toyed with my dick and placed my hands on her breasts while we occasionally kissed ie she passed the audition with flying colors. Her barfine was 500 baht more than usual on account of the holiday. I questioned that with the Mamasan and the deal was take it or leave it, so I accepted it and don't care NOW, but that is what happened.

And as I waited for P to change clothes, I had a slight case of buyer's remorse because one of the other sexy 8 was sitting opposite me and sending me sultry looks and she was hot! Oh well. Next time baby.

P and I took a motorcycle taxi back to my hotel. The action started almost immediately once we were in the room when she stripped me out of my jeans and t shirt. Then she knelt down and gave me a BJ in the shower. More kisses and another BJ while I was sitting up on the bed in front of her. Then she pushed me down onto my back and without saying anything more, straddled my head so we could engage in 69. I really liked that move! But I should preface that back in the bar I told her I wanted to lick her pussy. I am glad she remembered. Thoughtful. But as I read what I have just written, it comes to my mind that a lot of P's moves are very similar to a quality BKK Soapy experience and maybe this girl once worked in a soapy. It does not matter. The important thing is she was on point and sexually a lot of fun.

She then moved out of 69 and back to a straight BJ. Then it was time for Mr. Condom. I suggested that we do without, but she said, "I have to be safe darling. I work for a living" and as much as I wanted to bareback her I could not argue with her policy, at least not on our 1st date. LOL. So, the ensuing sex was very good. It began with Cowgirl and then I picked her up and put her into mish without leaving her vagina, which is where I finished up. We cuddled for a while after and then talked. She asked if I wanted to see her tomorrow and I broke it to her that tomorrow I was going back to BKK. Then for some crazy reason, I invited her to come see me in BKK for a couple of days. She smiled and said she would think about it. HA HA. It was all good repartee as far as I was concerned and great vibes. I then asked her if she was hungry and she said yes, so I invited her out for dinner. We showered, dressed, and went out to one of those open-air seafood places on 2nd road. It was a very nice evening.

So here I am back in BKK. Mini is coming over after Temple for dinner. All the bars are closed I think even the rooftop bar at my hotel is closed. Big holiday! Luckily I still have a few Tequila mini bottles in my suitcase.

Pattaya Summary (kind of): I had a great time in Pattaya with some great girls. Next time I will spend 10 days there. Pin Up was my favorite Go Go bar. Sensations was very good too although a little dark for some reason. I barfined 2 girls out of Pin Up and 1 girl twice (ST first and then a LT) out of Sensations. I had one very pleasant afternoon session with a Soi 6 girl, and I went back yesterday afternoon to Soi Full Love Inn to see the tall pretty girl in Pirates. She was not there and after waiting for 20 minutes for her to show up, I went next door to 007 where that skinny, spinner, blond waif works. She remembered my name from our brief meeting the day before and began rubbing my dick softly. That's all it took. She is not quite my usual spec, but she was very thin and sweet so, we went upstairs, and I had a real good time with her, and I mean a real good time. Ha Ha.

So, BB, that Pirates girl is all yours if you want her. 555. Enjoy. I truly wish I could have spent more time this trip in Pattaya. Oh well, next time. Meanwhile, I am heading to Manila tomorrow and to Catholic Asian girls that speak English. The good times keep a rolling.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2323103]
And as I waited for P to change clothes, I had a slight case of buyer's remorse because one of the other sexy 8 was sitting opposite me and sending me sultry looks and she was hot! Oh well. Next time baby.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha Natty, That is why I sometimes take too long to choose, and don't let the girl choose so much. Then again, this could contribute to getting unlucky with poor performing girls. So maybe getting the prettiest one is not the most important thing at all.

In Kazy recently, I was in their for maybe 40 minutes before finally spotting the girl I liked best. I wondered where she had been hiding. Supposedly she was there. However I learn that 5 or 10 minutes is definitely not enough to sum up a place well, especially the overall best girls.

When I get there, I will be sure to make a beeline for Pin Ups! But will also try the nude bar for contrast.

Have you done any girls just as pretty as your Bangkok girls for the face? I am sure you can find good bodies easier than very pretty faces.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2323103]Pattaya Summary (kind of): I had a great time in Pattaya with some great girls. Next time I will spend 10 days there. <snip> So, BB, that Pirates girl is all yours if you want her. 555. Enjoy. I truly wish I could have spent more time this trip in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]Thanks I will gladly take her off your hands but something tells me she won't be there by the time I get back from my Visa run. She'll be at a gogo like Pin Up.

Next trip set aside some days and we'll hit Jakarta too. Enjoy Manila. I know you will.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2323139]Have you done any girls just as pretty as your Bangkok girls for the face? I am sure you can find good bodies easier than very pretty faces.[/QUOTE]

For me prettier faces are easier to find than good bodies, especially as thin as you prefer. Always seems to me the girl I like the most facially has a bit of curves/baby fat to her. Maybe because I prefer cute faces.

I have no problem with your rambling report. In fact keep them coming. That is why I read the Bangkok and Pattaya threads. There is actual sex occurring with actual women! I know it's surprising but this is not what's happening in most threads these days. And I just love to live the chase itself vicariously through you guys.

Regarding the chase, as I think about my trip to Brazil, I've been ambivalent, because I love "the scene" as much as the sex. Thifany the unicorn had resurfaced (full 20 minute trips report — including Brazil and London — available to senior members - PM me) and I was excited to see her I dig her so much. But then I forego the boate experience that I love so much.

Fortunately she solved this dilemma for me by becoming engaged! She says it changes nothing between us and we should still see each other (Brasileiras!) but I won't feel like I have to spend every waking hour with her. So I can do the boates too! Best of both worlds.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2323103]A kind of rambling trip report.

I barfined 2 girls out of Pin Up and 1 girl twice (ST first and then a LT) out of Sensations. I had one very pleasant afternoon session with a Soi 6 girl, and I went back yesterday afternoon to Soi Full Love Inn to see the tall pretty girl in Pirates.

I went next door to 007 where that skinny, spinner, blond waif works. [/QUOTE]Great to hear you are having a good time, Am sure the girls all understand this.

Lord, I was born a ramblin' man.

Tryin' to make a livin' and doing' the best I can.

And when it's time for leavin' I hope you'll understand.

That I was born a ramblin' man.

Had a fantastic time at Champagne tonight. Arrived at 7:30 and there were 3 full sets of girls ready to go. Nearly 50 total. Over half the girls are older and not that pretty but there are usually a couple of nice ones here. One was smiling at me from the stage and I wanted her but she decided to go to the bathroom first instead of coming straight over to me. Her mistake because another girl who I was also looking at came over right away. Very fun girl. Early to mid 20's and her only tits were her double padded bra. Too bad. Spent some time with her and decided to go check out Kink.

Walked outside and Kink was closed. WTF. Went to buy a kebab and went to The Bachelor. It was awful in there. What happened to the prettier girls? I did buy a couple of drinks for my girl there. As always lots of hands on action at The Bachelor.

After an hour I decided to go back to Champagne to get the girl I really wanted tonight. She didn't make the same mistake twice and ran over to me as soon as I walked in. I guess she is 20 and she looks fairly young, braces and all. Decent tits. Very friendly. Been a while since I met a great gogo girl and she is certainly in that category for me. A keeper. Timing a bit bad as I'm leaving for Bangkok the day after tomorrow and I'm not sure gogo bars are open Monday due to the holiday.

Check out Champagne if you guys are in LK Metro. Don't expect stunners but a friendly atmosphere and it's always fun seeking out those hidden gems.

So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2324133]So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.[/QUOTE]I am currently experiencing the same dilemma. I spent time with a Phuket girl. We stayed in touch after I left and she recently asked for help. I told her I can help her when I am in Phuket but when I am home I cannot help her. She was a little upset at first but has soon accepted it.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2324133]So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.[/QUOTE]Was she a "freebie" during your visit. For easy ability to make a clean break, if needed, you likely should have provided a "gift" before departing. If she's maintaining her own illusion that she's not peddling her ass, the gift merely would've been because you "care" and didn't want her to financially suffer because she devoted so much loving time to you. Or, an outright per diem fee for the fuckfest you enjoyed.

But after the fact? No. If you do, it will be astounding how many sick relatives and water buffalo regularly befall the poor lass.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2324133]So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.[/QUOTE]Ahh, the classic my girl is different. No need to end anything.

1) Tell her to call you when her grandmother gets better.

2) If she asks you for money for the trip tell her you do not send money.

No need to make a mountain out of scattered dust. You already know that you are an irrelevant factor to any of this. Had she never met you what would she have done? Besides, she has not asked you for shit; she simply told you what is going on in her life. Somehow you take that as she needs money from you. You shouldn't.

I also have a friend that I have been messing around with for over 2 years. Never asked me for 1 baht. She even cooks sometimes and invites me over. Even when we go to the seafood market in Naklua she pays for her own shit and I pay for mine. I usually pay for the people to cook it all though. A couple of months ago it was like 2am and her son was sick. She only wanted to ask me where was a pharmacy that was open at that tine of night so she could go get medicine. I volunteered to go find a pharmacy and get the medicine and bring it to her, but she was still talking about going to get it herself. I think I ended up just falling asleep, never to hear about it again. So it is not always about money when they say someone is sick.

P.S. Wish I knew how to put these pics in a particular order. The second pic is a convo with a chick that only messages when she wants to come over for money. The 3rd pic should be read before the 1st pic because they are a conversation with a different person. The one that has the kid that was sick.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2324133]So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.[/QUOTE]If her grand mother is really sick she will go home. Was she asking for money? IMHO sure. This is the first step to see your reaction. In case you ignore it next step will be she does not have money for the fare. If you still ignore it she will find somebody who takes care of her needs. For me I do not believe in freebies unless the girl is well educated and has a good job. I had met such a young girl working in the bank who I took on many vacations in Southeast Asia. Yes, I bought her many gifts but no money. I tried to give her for expenses but she refused.

All other girls accepted money when offered.

In your case if you like to keep her as your GF you need to support her by giving money. This will not give you guarantee that she will not go with other guys but will possibly guarantee you company next time you visit. If the demands become excessive it is your choice to continue or not.

Most of the girls are looking for support from a casual visitor. Very few are under the illusion of marriage and better life in other countries.

These posts should really be in the General Reports section since they are not Pattaya specific.

When I was still a tourist many many girls kept Lining me many times every single day long after I left for home. Not a single one asked me for money. Pretty sure they knew I was not a sucker who would hand any over to them. To the OP, why end it before she asks. My point is they may never ask. However, a word of caution, don't fall for these girls and get it out of your head she is your girlfriend or someone who solely cares about you. They are professionals and unless you live here and have learned the ins and outs of their tricks they have a huge advantage over you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2324347]
Not a single one asked me for money. Pretty sure they knew I was not a sucker who would hand any over to them. To the OP, why end it before she asks. My point is they may never ask. [/QUOTE]Yes girls vary some will ask for money when desperate, others are professional in contact only, and will never ask for money. Depends a lot on how generous they perceive the guy to be as well. Hence BB got no requests for money, or is omitting those cases.

I never got requests for money from Western hookers, so believe it is more likely with Asian women, however a buddy of mine, got requests for money from western hookers, so he obviously had the character where he was very persuadable to part with more money for extra services and too emotionally attached to the girls.

If a girl starts Lining again after a long absence, that is a clear sign she is building to a request for money. Ha ha. Others can line often purely because they like a bit of chat and gossip. Had a girl from Puerto Rico like that, never asked for money except for our private meetings but liked to exchange funny gossip.

Thai girls are more likely to ask for money if they are think they are your big favourite or at least high up the pecking order. I mean clearly very casual girls are not going to be sponsored. Unlikely if the girl thinks you have heaps of girls and no one is preferred.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2324324]P.S. Wish I knew how to put these pics in a particular order. The second pic is a convo with a chick that only messages when she wants to come over for money. The 3rd pic should be read before the 1st pic because they are a conversation with a different person. The one that has the kid that was sick.[/QUOTE]That has to be the dullest conversation I have ever read.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2324488]That has to be the dullest conversation I have ever read.[/QUOTE]Normal everyday life is not as glamorous for everyone else as it is for you. The point was not to show excitement, but to show people can mention someone being sick without it meaning they will ask for money.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2324293]Was she a "freebie" during your visit. For easy ability to make a clean break, if needed, you likely should have provided a "gift" before departing. If she's maintaining her own illusion that she's not peddling her ass, the gift merely would've been because you "care" and didn't want her to financially suffer because she devoted so much loving time to you. Or, an outright per diem fee for the fuckfest you enjoyed.

But after the fact? No. If you do, it will be astounding how many sick relatives and water buffalo regularly befall the poor lass.[/QUOTE]Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping. We did enjoy lunch dinner breakfast together. She knew about my previous encounters as well. Anyhow just to update she has not yet asked me for anything apart from missing her grandmom. So I am relieved that I was wrong. Feeling like a thousand bucks. And have already booked my tickets to return here on my trip to China in July end.

I kept contact with three women I met my last two trips to Thailand. The two I met on Thaicupid immediately had emergencies that required money. Both live in villages in Northern Thailand, and both wanted money for doctors. I felt these two got enough money out of me when I was there, and this was just plain insulting so I stopped lining with both. Further I thought neither were good long term GF material, though I spent a week with each.

The third is a prostitute I met on Beach Road about 4 months ago, we got along great there and we have lined extensively since. She is yet to ask me for money. Even when she went back to her home village to take care of her family, she never asked for a dime. She knows it will be months before I return, but she messages me everyday.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2324406]. Hence BB got no requests for money, or is omitting those cases.
[/QUOTE]Why would I omit it. Maybe it's because the girls I usually choose make more money than most guys on this board. Minimum 5000 baht per day on boom plus 1000 to 2000 baht on salary and lady drinks. Not even including money from their multiple Sponsors. I would just laugh if a girl who made this kind of cash asked me for money.

Imo if a girl asks you for money you've let on that you like them too much and you're an easy mark. I never let girls know if I like them a lot or make any promises to them. Girls want a challenge. You'd be surprised how much more appealing you look if you appear to be unattainable.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2324576]Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping.[/QUOTE]So now the truth comes out. If I was her then I would ask for money too since you are giving it out like that. It always amazes me when guys talk about how much a chick they are paying likes them. And on top of that they are afraid to lose a chick they are giving money to. And that much fucking money to boot! Trust me, she ain't going nowhere. When they land a big cow they want to milk it while it lasts.

I will also add that with you giving her that much money then she still possibly has some of it left, unless she has purchased a big ticket item, or her family was behind on bills to a loanshark or she takes her friends out partying every night. Remember my room in Pattaya costs 4500/month. So for everyday she spent with you, her room was paid for for 1 month. That is why we are rich foreigners to them.

P. S. Also not sure why it would matter if a chick you are paying knows about your previous encounters. As one poster duly noted, one tenet of paying is so that there will be no strings attached. So it would not matter what she knew. Hell, she could even go with you to look for more chicks if you are paying.

Perfect time for my favorite meme. I swear you guys do it to yourselves.

Guys, I am back home and have the time to complete my Pattaya trip report. To refresh everyone, I was in Pattaya from April 16 to May 8, with 3 nights in Beijing, from May 5 to 8. The last report ended during the evening of May 7th, a Friday, with my new Pattaya GF who I called Secret (as I chose not to identify her), where I skipped dinner and all the other Soi 6 bar girls to be with.

Unfortunately, our final night was a little disappointing. After I barfined her we walked back to the hotel on BR, where there was a festival going on with lots of sidewalk food. I was hungry and had intended to go to Terminal 21 for KFC (the only place I have found with free soda refills) before seeing her, but I guess I was hungrier for Secret and ended up with her where I long timed her for the third straight night. Back at the hotel she took a nap and I was getting a tad upset about it after an hour went by. I decided to leave her and ended up at Rosie's on Soi 7. I have walked past it many times but never went in, and when I saw they had chicken breasts, which I was craving, I went it. Nice place, but the chicken was sliced, and I believe processed, and breaded. It was not a full chicken breast I am used to back home. Not what I was wanting! I suppose I was gone for an hour and I suppose I was getting a little guilty about it (sorry Mr. E! I was texting with Banana Boy and got worried that she was going to wake up and, finding me gone, she would up and leave to return to Soi 6, and it would be hard to get her away from there. Anyway, when I got back she was sitting up in bed on her phone and said nothing about my absence, but she did say she was now hungry and wanted to consume sidewalk food on BR. Fine.

She got whatever she got (can't remember now) and we came back to the hotel, then after she finished eating we headed back to WS and House of Stones one more time. I said we couldn't stay too long as we had to get up early to head back to BKK, where I was taking a flight home, and she was to meet her aunt or someone and otherwise catch a bus from there to go to her aunt or sister's and then go home to take care of school for her son. The music was good and we left about 12:30 AM, but back at the hotel she seemed a bit distant to me. Normally she cuddled up to me and kissed me, but this time she laid down on her side, facing away from me, without touching me. I had actually noticed this distance starting at the club. Was she upset that I left her? I asked if she was ok and she said yes. I said, no, you aren't ok, that I could tell something was wrong, and she then admitted to a headache. At the hotel, showers over, and being our last night together I wanted to have bare sex with her one more time, as who knows when I might get it again! She was not volunteering sex like she had done every night before, and I felt here is that word again guilty about forcing myself on her. I had not yet paid her anything or even agreed to pay her anything, so it was not like she was withholding anything from me that we had expressly agreed to, and if she kept her legs closed, then I would pay her accordingly the next morning. But I went on and touched her and she submitted, and with lots or oral she stayed wet, seemingly came, but me having come for the last two nights with her, and me still sensing that things were off, I could not get off and, surprisingly to her, I rolled off and took my shower. She stayed in bed and gave a kiss when I came back, but no cuddling.

She had said previously she would get up early, go back to Soi 6 to get some laundry and things, then come back to me for the limo / taxi to BKK. She did wake up early and dress while I at first slept, then when she was nearly ready to leave, awake, I sat up in bed. She came over, kissed me and said goodbye. Huh? Aren't you coming back? She said, no, this was goodbye. I guess we had miscommunication problem. I said I thought we were going to Bangkok together, but she said no, and said she had told me last night. I was not happy but kept quiet, confused as to what had happened for her to suddenly act a bit cold / distant to me. As she left, I thought about my need to pay her, but said nothing and she left without asking. I had money lying out by the door that she had to have seen, but the only thing she said as she left was goodbye.

Remember when I left for China, she sent me many texts, asking when I would be back, saying how much she missed me, how she had to sleep alone without me and was sad, etc. This time, I got nothing. Well, OK then, perhaps this is the best way to end things. I don't want her to fall in love with me or to have any false hopes, and I need to get her off my mind so I don't think about her too much as well! I mean, I had been starting to understand why guys can fall in love with bar girls!

I will be brief here, but we did resume our conversations a day or so later. I will transcribe a bit of our conversation that we had when she was home with her son, which may be relevant to some extent:

Her: Yesterday I was paying for my son's school. Today I have to spend more. I want to ask you. Do you give to me?

So, here I think, here it comes. She is going to ask me for money. But. I DO owe her money!

Hawk: You left too soon. I had money out for you. I was surprised you were not coming back to me. I did not think to tell you to get it.

Her: I said I didn't go back. Because my sister is waiting. I'm sorry for coming out too soon.

Hawk: I didn't know where she was waiting.

Her: My sister waited for me at Rangsit. (She had mentioned Rangsit the night before, but I did not relate that to her canceling out on riding with me to BKK.).

Hawk: It is ok. I pay you in November.

Her: I had to hurry to travel. It's too long. (She means November is too far away.).

Hawk: Should have asked me.

Her: OK.

Me: Sorry I was too sad to think of it.

Her: Never mind.

Then she asked if I was ok and if I was home yet. And that, to this day, is the only time she had mentioned money. And since that time, we have both engaged in saying we miss each other, that we hate sleeping alone, etc. If she is dishing it out to me, I am dishing it back. She sent me pictures of herself with her son and with some other family members and has said a time or two that she loves me.

I will say that her texts have convinced me that I have at least one more Pattaya trip in me. But I will end the trip report here the trip has ended, and it is starting to lead to another topic.

But this trip was certainly interesting. It began with me concentrating of multiple girls on Soi 6 and Red Car, and ended up with me concentrating on a Soi 6 BG who was acting like a wonderful GF in many ways. Though I have occasionally criticized others for spending too much time with just one girl when they go to Pattaya, when I concentrated on Secret, some of the sex was almost transcendental. It is something I have rarely experienced, and something I LET myself experience. With the normal bar girl, sex was mechanical and largely a disappointment, but going bare back with Secret a couple of times became deep as I got comfortable and even trusting of her. Perhaps she was faking a part of it, but I let it feel real and I wanted all I could get of it before I had to leave.

I have to admit I want more of it. Though I do not want to give up the side sex either!

I am not in love with Secret. She is half my age, she has a son, she is pretty but not especially hot to where I would risk embarrassment to be seen at home with, plus she is, well, what she is a bar girl. Possibly a very sweet and caring bar girl who has somehow fallen for me, but I have my Thai GF who definitely loves me and has proven it time after time, of who my thoughts have kept me grounded. Sort of. Sigh.

But I diverting from this being a trip report, so I end it here. Hope you guys have enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2324827].............Her: Yesterday I was paying for my son's school. Today I have to spend more. I want to ask you. Do you give to me?..................[/QUOTE]I am not one to part with my money easily but from what you have accounted I would have had absolutely no reservations in sending her money.

Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325631]Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.[/QUOTE]Kind of similar trying to find out how long they have been in Pattaya. I always seem to get the answer of a week or a month. I can rarely get out of them if that is the time since they first came to Pattaya or from when they got back from their last trip home (or from wherever). When I try to seek clarification they look at me as if they don't understand what I am asking. So, if you ask "How long have you lived / stayed / been / worked in Pattaya", even if they first came there 10 years ago, you will likely hear "one month". On occasional you will hear "I am new", or another girl will introduce her as being new, then you can believe them when they say they have been in Pattaya for a week or two, but otherwise, who knows?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325631]Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.[/QUOTE]I have had Thailand as the answer occasionally. I often wonder are they bored and that is a game to play to pass the time? But more likely it is a combination of lost in translation and the opinion that farang are stupid and need to be spoken to as a child. I used to think it was an evasive tactic but it is not that, because they want you to find them but maybe they are thinking they can make you think they are a good girl who doesn't work in a bar. Probably the best answer is that they are Thai and women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2325631]Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.[/QUOTE]I guess they don't give you this information right away for the same reason that you don't tell them right away in which hotel / apartment you are staying. So for safety reasons.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2325501]I am not one to part with my money easily but from what you have accounted I would have had absolutely no reservations in sending her money.[/QUOTE]Not a knock, your answer is the main reason the excuse can be used?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2325919]Not a knock, your answer is the main reason the excuse can be used?[/QUOTE]Not sure I understand the question or what you are getting at, so I will step in. I did have an underlying reason for not getting out of bed to pay her. For one, I had paid her pretty well already so she had thousands of baht more already than she would have had if I had not returned from China. I mean, Soi 6 was not very busy and I doubt she would have had many, if any, upstairs customers. But mainly it was a test I suppose. Had she stopped at the door to demand money, it would have told me the whole thing was fake. That she didn't stop told me that there was a least a possibly it was real. But either way, I knew I was going to return to Pattaya and she would get her money, even if 6 months late. I was not going to renege on my debt, and I am sure she will need the money just as much in the future as she did then.

But I thank Turgid for his comment. Secret is one of the good ones and I am fortunate to have gotten to know her. My problem now is how to proceed! I am beginning to see how some dudes fall in love with bar girls! Haha There is no way I can let Secret steal me away from my Thai GF, but every sexual-related issue I have with the GF I do not have with Secret, and that is proving to be a problem for me to deal with. For one example, the GF has vaginal issues. Her recently-virgin pussy simply does not feel good to me. I have to work very hard to come with her, and more often than not I simply give up with it (like when wearing a condom with bar girls)! It was hard work and took nearly 3 years to take her virginity and now it remains hard work to simply come. I don't understand why! With Secret, she feels wonderful and I can hold her tight and barely move insider her and it feels like heaven. Sigh. My desire to repeat and grow these feelings with Secret may drive me back to Thailand in 3 months rather than the normal 6 months. And will I skip seeing the GF again on that trip? Argh!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2326020] My desire to repeat and grow these feelings with Secret may drive me back to Thailand in 3 months rather than the normal 6 months. And will I skip seeing the GF again on that trip? Argh![/QUOTE]You're on a slippery slope my friend. 6 months turns to 3 months, 3 months turns to monthly. Better start looking at renting a condo soon. Frequent visitors much better off renting a small condo for around 15 k baht per month. Under 10k per month if you have a motorbike.

Parked my bike on 2nd Rd to walk down to my tailor on Beach Rd since the sois and BR were closed due to the fireworks show. When I got back to my bike a chick at the massage parlor that I parked in front of was trying to call me over for a massage. I said I don't like massages. She said boom boom then. I said I like boom boom. I told her to come over to my bike and I asked how much. She said 1200 and they have rooms upstairs. I told her 1200 is for LT. She said 200 goes to the shop for massage. I said 200 for shop and 500 for you. The farthest she would go down was 700 for her and 200 for the shop. I declined and left.

I also went to my watch lady before I went to my tailor. It was about 8:30. I was looking for a white Chanel watch for my aunt to match the black one that I bought her years ago. She said 2200 baht. I said be for real. You know me better than that. Then she said 1850. I said 1800. Deal. I gave her the money and she did the blessing that they all do for the first money of the day. I thought she was joking. 8:30 pm and I was the first customer. With that and the chick at the massage shop, I guess things are really that slow around here.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2326027]........... Frequent visitors much better off renting a small condo for around 15 k baht per month. Under 10k per month if you have a motorbike.[/QUOTE]You guys live well. I'll be in the 6 K per month bracket.

Hello to everyone on the forum.

I am planning a trip to pattaya next month for a week. I am not here to ask for leads as I have gone through the forum but my doubt arises from the prices assuming I want to have one girl for LT and one girl for ST a day how much should my budget be for a week in pattaya including everything just an estimate is good enough.

Also please note that I am indian so might need to pay premium at some places. Hoping for some help from veterans.

[QUOTE=Kirahell2;2326466] I want to have one girl for LT and one girl for ST a day how much should my budget be for a week in pattaya including everything just an estimate is good enough.[/QUOTE]Depends on where you get your ST and LT. Beach Road ST 500 to 1000 baht. More common Soi 6 1350 to 1400 baht including barfine plus possibly a drink, BJ bars and G clubs about the same as Soi 6. beer bar girl 1000 to 1500 plus 300+ barfine, soapie 1800 or so to 7000, random massage places 1000 to 1500ST plus 100 to 300 for madsage, ibar 1500 to 2000 no barfine.

LT add about 1000 baht to ST rates. Barfine may be double.

Gogo. If you have to ask you can't afford it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2326536]Depends on where you get your ST and LT.[/QUOTE]Also add internet or walking down the street.

A buddy of mine gave me a chick's number yesterday and said I should check her out. I think he met her friend on Tagged and she passed him on to her. I sent her a message on Whatsapp and she immediately asked ST or LT. I said whoa. Let's meet up first and I will decide from there. I was at breakfast (lunch really) at the time. She told me to meet her up at MK Restaurant in 5 minutes. I was close so I made it in 3. Her and her friend were eating. She kept asking where she met me. I said you have too many men if you can not remember. She said she has a lot of customers. I told her we met at iBar and she was really drunk. She said it must have been 6 months ago and she was sure it was Insomnia and not iBar. She said last night she was at the Indian Disco Raas and stayed with a customer from there and still had not been home. It was 2 pm. After they finished eating, the friend had something to do so told me to drive her back to her room.

She invited me up. I really didn't plan on doing anything with her because I needed to go clean my room and run my errands. Easier said than done. After she got to rubbing on me and I got to rubbing on her another game plan had ensued. She took out her vibrator and gave me a show. After we finished she told me to sleep there. She had gone out somewhere and I woke up. She came back in and said her friends had called her and were on the way to get her. I said good, because I need to take my ass home. She told me to come back to her room tomorrow or either she would come to my room and clean for me. I took 1000 out of my pocket and gave it to her. I got home at 9 pm.

About 4 am I went to get a shawarma on the corner of 2nd Rd and Pattaya Tai. This chick walked by that said she knew me. She kind of looked familiar too. She asked to come with me but I said no. She said to come back tomorrow and she would be in the same area. I asked if she had line and she said she only had the phone with her that makes calls. She left her other phone inside. She did add her Line to my phone and I sent a message. When she got home she returned the message. So just being out like that you can also meet chicks and give them 1000 LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2326550]I needed to go clean my room [/QUOTE]One of the reasons I love living in Asia is maids are dirt cheap and I don't have to clean at all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2326536]Depends...

Gogo. If you have to ask you can't afford it.[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO.

I usually don't pull from gogo places as I am pretty much a Cheap Charlie most of the time. But there are some real lookers in some of them occasionally.

Hi,

I will be visiting Pattaya this week. Requesting Forum members to help with below information:

1. Best Soapy Massage parlour in Pattaya. Request forum members to help with their experience.

2. Best GO GO Bar or any other equivalent place where I can pick up Russian girl. I have a fantasy to have an experience with Russian.

3. Best blow job bar in Pattaya. I have heard lot about this but have never tried.

Requesting members to guide.

Best regards,

Rocky.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2326556]One of the reasons I love living in Asia is maids are dirt cheap and I don't have to clean at all.[/QUOTE]Well I was criticized by one poster the other day in another thread when I mentioned offering chicks money to clean my place. Seemed it makes more sense to him and has more pride involved for them to prostitute themselves out than to make honest money cleaning.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2325792]The point is I don't treat her like horse manure. Maybe, I should say no and tell her to come clean my apartment for 15 dollars. What a nice guy you are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kirahell2;2326466]Hello to everyone on the forum.

I am planning a trip to pattaya next month for a week. I am not here to ask for leads as I have gone through the forum but my doubt arises from the prices assuming I want to have one girl for LT and one girl for ST a day how much should my budget be for a week in pattaya including everything just an estimate is good enough.

Also please note that I am indian so might need to pay premium at some places. Hoping for some help from veterans.[/QUOTE]I spend about 10,000 baht per day plus hotel room, so I would bring about $2500 USD for the week then add whatever you want to spend on the hotel for the week and the flight.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2326556]One of the reasons I love living in Asia is maids are dirt cheap and I don't have to clean at all.[/QUOTE]Out in the country, cleaning becomes even more important due to high levels of dust, insects, and lizard shits. My Mrs is not a housewife type, however will do cooking most days.

I floated the idea of hiring a housemaid, instead of me having to clean the bedroom and bathroom sometimes, however she wasn't keen for any outsiders to discover illicit things like smoking weed. So probably have to find a close relative to do it. We do hire rice farm workers at times. I don't see myself reaping the rice crop either. To much hard work at my age, and labour is cheap.

When she ran out of stuff recently, I suddenly went from being nearly raped daily, to get nothing. She was suddenly so lazy on withdrawal from the good stuff. Now I find myself visiting Bangkok. Ha ha.

In the past, I fucked a few Hotel maids doing the Thermae on the sly. So I think it is not beyond possibility to get a pretty maid who also fucks for a suitable bonus. Does Thailand advertise any naked housemaids? ha ha. If I was single, I would be interested in that option maybe. I think one could do better than Arnie, and also try not to get her pregnant.

Hello, if anyone is interested there's a place called Lifecare Lab which does an STD check for the big five (H, HB, G, S, C) for only 700 baht, same day results. Near to Yensabai condo (it's on Google Maps). I took my girl there and been barebacking with peace of mind for the last week. We all hate condoms, but stay safe.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2326675]I spend about 10,000 baht per day plus hotel room, so I would bring about $2500 USD for the week then add whatever you want to spend on the hotel for the week and the flight.[/QUOTE]You drop over $300 USD per day, above the costs of hotel & flight? $300 USD+ for food, drink, and cooze? In Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2327353]You drop over $300 USD per day, above the costs of hotel & flight? $300 USD+ for food, drink, and cooze? In Pattaya?[/QUOTE]That's correct. In Bangkok as well. I think that's about the norm.

Some of these housekeepers are definitely MILF material. I've had some success with this group. You have to keep it on the down low so they don't get found out at work, but once you get them away from their place of work they can be a lot of fun, quite horny, and GFE. I had one who once I got her clothes off I was even more impressed-beautiful firm teats and a tight figure- and had a great time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327363]That's correct. In Bangkok as well. I think that's about the norm.[/QUOTE]Wow I lived in BKK last winter for $1500 a month in a SkyTrain condo replete with food travel weed and pooswa.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2327353]You drop over $300 USD per day, above the costs of hotel & flight? $300 USD+ for food, drink, and cooze? In Pattaya?[/QUOTE]That blows the hell out of the 1500 baht that I spend! Chick that works at Simon Bar was off and got here last night at 10 pm. It is now 8 am and she is still in my bed. 1000 baht. I ate 3 times (breakfast at Thips 199, lunch at KFC 119, ribs and 1/2 chicken for dinner at the market 155) yesterday and spent 473 baht. I put gas in my motorbike 120 baht. I bought Schweppes Manao at a gentlemen's club while shooting pool 75 baht plus 25 baht tip. 1,693 baht spent yesterday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327510]That blows the hell out of the 1500 baht that I spend! Chick that works at Simon Bar was off and got here last night at 10 pm. It is now 8 am and she is still in my bed. 1000 baht. I ate 3 times (breakfast at Thips 199, lunch at KFC 119, ribs and 1/2 chicken for dinner at the market 155) yesterday and spent 473 baht. I put gas in my motorbike 120 baht. I bought Schweppes Manao at a gentlemen's club while shooting pool 75 baht plus 25 baht tip. 1,693 baht spent yesterday.[/QUOTE]Awesome. Sounds like money well spent. Where is Thips BTW?

Actually enjoyed reading this post. Curious if others want to share a breakdown of how they are actually spending their money on a random day.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2327353]You drop over $300 USD per day, above the costs of hotel & flight? $300 USD+ for food, drink, and cooze? In Pattaya?[/QUOTE]300 USD is say 10 k baht. Not sure of the exact exchange rate these days. It's really not difficult to spend 10 k baht per day if you hit a gogo bar.

Buffet breakfast a LK Empress 250 baht (double that if your girl is still with you).
Baht bus for the day 60 baht.
Lunch at KFC 119 baht.
Misc stuff like water and snacks at 711 100 baht.
Soi 6 girl #1 1000 + 350 BF + 70 drink (add more if you buy lady drinks at any visit or if you visit a few bars before finding the right girl).
Soi 6 girl #2 1000 + 350 BF + 70 drink.
Dinner at a Thai restaurant 200 baht.

So we're at around 3500 baht before the night begins. This is where the budget will vary for most mongers. Your night may be Soi 6 or a Beach Road FL or it may be the high end with a gogo bar girl.

Low budget,
Bar girl 1000 + 350 + 70 drink or Beach Road FL 1000 baht.
Drinks for you and girl at iBar 500.
IBar girl LT 2000-2500.
Late night snack the girl wants while heading back to your room 100 baht.

High budget.
Make the rounds at gogo 5 bars + average 2 lady drinks at each bar 150 + 200 + 200 = 550 x 5 bars = 2750.
Top gogo girl LT 5000 + 2000 BF.
Snacks before room 300.

So on the low end total for the day is roughly 7500 baht. If you want a gogo girl it's 13,500 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327555]Awesome. Sounds like money well spent. Where is Thips BTW?[/QUOTE]Here right now. Corner of Pattaya Klang and 3rd Rd.

I just got this in one of my Line groups fir Soi 6 party June 7 and 8.

Nice analysis, Banana Boi.

Check your PM.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327560]300 USD is say 10 k baht. Not sure of the exact exchange rate these days. It's really not difficult to spend 10 k baht per day if you hit a gogo bar.



Buffet breakfast a LK Empress 250 baht (double that if your girl is still with you).
Baht bus for the day 60 baht.
Lunch at KFC 119 baht.
Misc stuff like water and snacks at 711 100 baht.
Soi 6 girl #1 1000 + 350 BF + 70 drink (add more if you buy lady drinks at any visit or if you visit a few bars before finding the right girl).
Soi 6 girl #2 1000 + 350 BF + 70 drink.
Dinner at a Thai restaurant 200 baht.

So we're at around 3500 baht before the night begins. This is where the budget will vary for most mongers. Your night may be Soi 6 or a Beach Road FL or it may be the high end with a gogo bar girl.

Low budget,
Bar girl 1000 + 350 + 70 drink or Beach Road FL 1000 baht.
Drinks for you and girl at iBar 500.
IBar girl LT 2000-2500.
Late night snack the girl wants while heading back to your room 100 baht.

High budget.
Make the rounds at gogo 5 bars + average 2 lady drinks at each bar 150 + 200 + 200 = 550 x 5 bars = 2750.
Top gogo girl LT 5000 + 2000 BF.
Snacks before room 300.

So on the low end total for the day is roughly 7500 baht. If you want a gogo girl it's 13,500 baht.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327555]...Curious if others want to share a breakdown of how they are actually spending their money on a random day.[/QUOTE]BB, Thanks for giving us a view on how much one can spend in a day in Pattaya. Mr E's ability to spend little money is beyond my abilities, so I will not even try to emulate him.

In my case, when I get up in the morning, I need my cappuccino and pastry, typically around 300 bahts. Then, I go down to the beach, get a chair, order a coconut and a bottle of water. After 2 to 3 hours, I leave the area, cost around 200/300 bahts. Then it's on to lunch. I like to eat and I have my favorite eating places. I have no problems spending 400/500 bahts on lunch. After lunch, I look for a beach road FL but usually not easy to find a decent one at that time of the day. So, I either go to a nearby massage place or to those MP places in soi 24 area. The damage at a local massage is usually around 1300/1500 bahts for everything, massage plus boom boom. At the soi 24 area, it's around 2500/3000 bahts. This is followed by a nap. Then afternoon coffee, a stroll on beach road, then dinner for around 1 k /2 K bahts, with drinks. A girl in the evening plus drinks. If I hit a gogo bar (which I used to do a lot of that in the past), I typically end up spending up to 5 K /6 K for the night, LT plus drinks. If not, it is ST with a girl from beach road (1K/1.5K) or from a disco / club like Lucifer for about 3 K /4 K for all night plus drinks. I also spend about 1 k /2 k bahts of miscellaneous every day.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327510]That blows the hell out of the 1500 baht that I spend! Chick that works at Simon Bar was off and got here last night at 10 pm. It is now 8 am and she is still in my bed. 1000 baht. I ate 3 times (breakfast at Thips 199, lunch at KFC 119, ribs and 1/2 chicken for dinner at the market 155) yesterday and spent 473 baht. I put gas in my motorbike 120 baht. I bought Schweppes Manao at a gentlemen's club while shooting pool 75 baht plus 25 baht tip. 1,693 baht spent yesterday.[/QUOTE]If you want a cheaper breakfast, [URL]http://www.kissfoodpattaya.com/.[/URL].

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2327753]
In my case, when I get up in the morning, I need my cappuccino and pastry, typically around 300 bahts. Then, I go down to the beach, get a chair, order a coconut and a bottle of water. After 2 to 3 hours, I leave the area, cost around 200/300 bahts. [/QUOTE]I may spend significant money on a girl (max of one per day) but keep my average food and accommodation costs right down these days. Yesterday B/F was essentially free, I made the coffee myself (filter coffee) and cooked the oats in Hotel Microwave. Lunch was leftovers of a stir fry and a Phat Thai from previous evening (probably about 60 Baht out of original price). Dinner was a good burger (not Maccas) 140 Baht and Mango and Sticky Rice was 80 Baht. Maybe there was an Icecream. All up 300+ Baht.

Some days spoil myself and eat western food at the sports bar. Sunday roast was only 200 Baht (not including drinks). I usually spend more than that. Other days when going healthy can get a serve of something mainly vegetables, stir fry or soup, for 30 or 40 Baht at the market. Even a piece of BBQed chicken can be less than 100 Baht (if don't eat too much) or a baked fish less than 200 Baht. There are plenty of good priced options without going to junk food places.

I never go into KFC or Maccas, or anything like that, never eat French fries, because largely on a low Carbs diet. It is not essential to have 3 meals a day, some days only 2, and my be / F is small. That is due to keeping relatively trim and healthy.

In the province its almost all home cooked food, but I don't count that.

I agree with BB, that is easy to drop a lot of money once you start doing go go bars. I am therefore careful never to entertain a girl unless I really like her or am friends already. Ignoring approaching girls is important to control the spend. So I can survey a go go bar for the price of one single drink, providing I have no inclination to stay. I don't have the need to be groping girls in every bar.

Today there maybe no girl. If I don't get what I want, I can certainly go without. Will see if a regular is available.

My main point really, was that one can keep down food and accommodation costs, if one chooses. Then most money of a budget is available for mongering, however the punter sees fit.
I can never keep girl spending anywhere near as low as Mr. E, if doing a girl daily. I might be in the wrong place for doing so.

Many mongers on this forum will be fat because they eat too much junk (we probably all eat some junk), or drink too much beer. Think about looking after your health guys, and consider how much more enjoyable sex can be with 10 Kilos dropped. I dropped 10 Kilos (and am still there at 10 Kilos less).

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2327759]If you want a cheaper breakfast, [URL]http://www.kissfoodpattaya.com/.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sailor Bar on Soi 8 used to do a real cheap full English breakfast at 60 b. Is that still the price?

I usually go to a FS massage place during daytime. It costs about 2600 baht to 2900 baht plus tip.

I will get a girl for night time which will cost at least 3000 baht not counting BF.

For food, I often just snack all day when I have a chance. After massage, I snack at various food stands on my way back to the Hotel on foot, fried chicken, Hainan chicken rice, noodle, grill food, juice, and coconut juice, pretty easy to spend 200 baht. I avoid western food here. If I know a good restaurant, I will go regardless the cost. I also know I am happy to just eat cheap Thai food so food is a minor cost for me.

I have at least one drink in the hotel daily on average. In the afternoon, I like to sit by the pool and get a cocktail or Whiskey to chill for an hour. When I am bored or have nothing to do, I may go to the hotel bar to get a drink too. A drink is about 280 baht to 370 baht.

These are the minimum daily fixed cost. I go out most nights, and I think it is not too difficult to spend 1000 baht, so 300 USD a day is about right for me.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2327759]If you want a cheaper breakfast, [URL]http://www.kissfoodpattaya.com/.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Oh hell no! That place is too greasy for me. My friends love it though. If I go to kiss then the steamed fish is the only thing I will order. I know they didn't over-grease that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327560]Low budget, Bar girl 1000 + 350 + 70 drink [/QUOTE]While this can be a rule of thumb, do not expect every girl in a beer bar to agree for LT with 1000 baht. The "diamonds in the rough" are likely to cost more.

What is the reason for the Russian ladies in walking street? Are hey there mainly for the Asian mongers? Do they have other qualities? Is the price the same as Thai? I know I should have tried but my mind was set on Thai or Asian. I got enough invites from them. I assume they also BF.

I have nothing against Russian ladies.

I don't quite get the conversation about how much to spend in a day. Surely it's the old maxim you cut your coat according to your cloth.

I'm fortunate not to have to budget but if I did sure I'd try to live within that budget by getting the best deal on my needs and it seems some members do just that and have a good time doing it.

That said I do believe there is a distinct difference in the quality of your lifestyle when money is not the key determinant on what to eat and where to chase the ladies. Agreed it's not completely accurate to say you get what you pay for in the P4P world or on what you eat but there is a correlation. The correlation is more direct and obvious in the accommodation you live in.

For me it's mostly that having money while never being profligate gives you options and choices. Being honest I would find it difficult to get by on 50 bucks if I am out and about on the town, 300 is closer to the mark.

But who knows if the markets crash that could be me behind you at the noodle stand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327955]Oh hell no! That place is too greasy for me. [/QUOTE]I cannot recall the food was greasy last times I ate there (which is a couple of years ago I think), but what I don't like about Kiss is its location right next to busy Second Road. You are 'eating' exhaust fumes as well as food there.

For breakfast I prefer to go to a buffet, at Lek Hotel for example. Just brown bread with jam and coffee. No fried eggs, bacon, sausages, beans in tomato sauce or any other 'weird' stuff like rice soup (?) or baked potatoes for me in the morning.
Only 120 Baht if you buy 10 coupons at once. A single coupon is 150 Baht.

For lunch I usually go to a place like Took Lae Dee in the basement of the Royal Garden mall, or some other cheap Thai restaurant, where I spend around 200-250 Baht.

For dinner I go to places like Beer Garden or Hops Brew House for example and spend about 400 Baht.

In between I usually have two times coffee at a Starbucks and some snacks (like chocolate) and water. Total cost maybe 300-350 Baht on average per day.

One ST a day is enough for me, for 1000 Baht, usually with a girl I find online or in the streets.

I don't go out every evening but when I do I usually just enjoy the eye candy in a gogo over a beer. Sometimes I buy a girl a few drinks but I don't do that very often anymore.

So all in all about 2000 Baht a day (when I don't go out in the evening).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2328102]
So all in all about 2000 Baht a day (when I don't go out in the evening).[/QUOTE]So that means you spend half on the food and drinks and half on the girl. Ha ha. The balance is all wrong for me. I don't eat in restaurants that much. Mainly eat in my room, that cuts price right back and can be superior food health wise too.

What a girls costs me could be ten times my food costs easily, (on average). In Bangkok I can't get a quality girl for 1 K. That is not possible. In my Soi 4 street girl costs me more than that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328176]In Bangkok I can't get a quality girl for 1 K. That is not possible. In my Soi 4 street girl costs me more than that.[/QUOTE]I used to get them all day long in Nana car lot for 500 baht. Then I remember one day trying that shit and this chick saying this is Bangkok, not Pattaya. That was one of the last memories of my Bangkok days.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2328102]I cannot recall the food was greasy last times I ate there (which is a couple of years ago I think), but what I don't like about Kiss is its location right next to busy Second Road. You are 'eating' exhaust fumes as well as food there.[/QUOTE]The one on North Pattaya, at the roundabout, was one of the best places to eat in Pattaya. It was a lot better than the one in front of Mike, cheap clean and tasty basic Thai food was served there.

Didn't go there since a few years but I think it's probably not there anymore, the place being taken by Terminal 21.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328186]I used to get them all day long in Nana car lot for 500 baht. Then I remember one day trying that shit and this chick saying this is Bangkok, not Pattaya. That was one of the last memories of my Bangkok days.[/QUOTE]About when did 500 baht girls end for you in Bangkok? For many years, I used to get freelancers on Sukhumvit for 1000 baht, but I would ask for 2 shots, and most would be happy with that (I found that easier and more pleasant than pushing down on price). Stopped around 2013, not so much because nobody was taking 1000 any more, but because there were very few decent streetwalkers left. That scene started drying up noticeably around 2010 or so, and asking prices started going up too.

In Pattaya, I was paying 500 baht on Beach Road until 2014 or so, then it went up to 700. I could find 500 in 2018, but the quality on Beach Road took such a nosedive that these days I get severely depressed from just walking around, most of the women are so horrible I wouldn't do them for free (and I'm NOT especially picky).

The main draw of Thai hookers for me was girls being cheap, cheerful and plentiful (with many non-hardened, semi-pro girls). These days, one can still find cheap (there is one 600 baht Thai place left), but it's neither cheerful nor plentiful.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2328220]
In Pattaya, I was paying 500 baht on Beach Road until 2014 or so, then it went up to 700. I could find 500 in 2018, but the quality on Beach Road took such a nosedive that these days I get severely depressed from just walking around, most of the women are so horrible I wouldn't do them for free (and I'm NOT especially picky).[/QUOTE]I find the quality of girls in Pattaya to be depressing relative to Bangkok.

Hi fellow friends!

Would request you to kindly share the contact of a really good (service oriented girl) for company for 2-3 days in 2nd week of June 2019. It would be an added advantage if she has a 2 wheeler. Would like to book full time.

Recommendations, reference and contact information would be very kind of you. Would buy you a beer, if we meet.

Cheers guys.

The general consensus here is Russians are quite a bit more expensive and not really worth the trouble in thailand.

[QUOTE=Frisk;2328011]What is the reason for the Russian ladies in walking street? Are hey there mainly for the Asian mongers? Do they have other qualities? Is the price the same as Thai? I know I should have tried but my mind was set on Thai or Asian. I got enough invites from them. I assume they also BF.

I have nothing against Russian ladies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frisk;2328011]What is the reason for the Russian ladies in walking street? Are hey there mainly for the Asian mongers? Do they have other qualities? Is the price the same as Thai? I know I should have tried but my mind was set on Thai or Asian. I got enough invites from them. I assume they also BF.

I have nothing against Russian ladies.[/QUOTE]Russian girls are relatively more expensive. According to reports, seems service is more miss than hit. Don't think white pussy is all that great anyways.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2328196]The one on North Pattaya, at the roundabout, was one of the best places to eat in Pattaya. It was a lot better than the one in front of Mike, cheap clean and tasty basic Thai food was served there.

Didn't go there since a few years but I think it's probably not there anymore, the place being taken by Terminal 21.[/QUOTE]Kiss yes is no longer there but is now moved further down Soi 21 or 21/1 on the corner set in a bit.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2328321]The general consensus here is Russians are quite a bit more expensive and not really worth the trouble in thailand.[/QUOTE]I was playing with the idea for a couple days to get an cheap Adidas Track suit and bath slippers, matching man purse and a bag of Sunflower seeds and mess with the lady's a little but to much trouble for a little fun.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328241]I find the quality of girls in Pattaya to be depressing relative to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Not in certain Go Go's. I saw plenty of high quality girls in Pin Up and Sennsations. These 2 Go Go's plus Happy and several others could easily hold their own and compete successfully with the best Go Go's in BKK like my current favorites KC1, Billboard, Pink, and RB2.

But I would be depressed too if I was relying on Beach Road pickups to satisfy my sexual needs and desires although I still window shopped Beach Road since so many girls were lined up right outside my hotel late at night, every night. LOL. Soi 4 (BKK) and Sukhumvit seem better for SW's sure IMHO. And I don't think Pattaya soapy massage parlors are in the same league as the better BKK soapies like Marie Hotel Spa and La Belle. Not if you are interested in high quality anyway.

But overall I had a great time in Pattaya. I met some real nice, sexy girls and it was well worth the travel time. In short, Pattaya was a pleasant break from BKK.

PS I did ask all my Pattaya Go Go girls why they did not live in BKK and they all said they preferred Pattaya because it was less crowded and more easy going. So I deduce that some girls like living and working in BKK, the big city, and some girls like living and working in Pattaya, the resort town. Go figure. 555.

What I can't comprehend is why straight tourist couples (Asian & Russian) would come to Pattaya for a romantic beach holiday. Are they stupid or something? The short answer is, Yes!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2328424]...
What I can't comprehend is why straight tourist couples (Asian & Russian) would come to Pattaya for a romantic beach holiday. Are they stupid or something? The short answer is, Yes![/QUOTE]This is beyond me as well. I assume they buy cheap packages and are not warned about water pollution. For example they would be led to think the water is ok in Jomtien because it lies some distance from the city. In other places in Thailand like Koh Chang I've found East Europeans to have no standards regarding water quality (or noise). A "good" beach front hotel right next to an open sewer is likely to be popular with Eastern Europe holiday makers. Once at Coconut Resort (Koh Chang, Klong Prao Beach) I endeavoured to enroll my neighbour who was I think from former Yougoslavia into complaining to frontdesk about noise before our doorsteps. He looked at me like at something the cat brought home. Those people still have a culture of accepting to be shortchanged and never complaining (legacy of communism). Now if I know a resort is popular with East Europeans I think twice about booking it because I assume the resort has some major hidden issue.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2328424]What I can't comprehend is why straight tourist couples (Asian & Russian) would come to Pattaya for a romantic beach holiday. Are they stupid or something? The short answer is, Yes![/QUOTE]I often ask me the same question. Why do they come to Pattaya when you have so many much nicer places you can visit?

I also see Western European families with small children visiting Pattaya. Why not go to one of the beautiful islands or other beach resorts in Thailand instead?

And what is it about fat British ladies in groups coming here? What are they looking for?

[QUOTE=Lorus;2328665]And what is it about fat British ladies in groups coming here? What are they looking for?[/QUOTE]They can score with the black dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kvLHz13xEY

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2328424]Not in certain Go Go's. I saw plenty of high quality girls in Pin Up and Sennsations. These 2 Go Go's plus Happy and several others could easily hold their own and compete successfully with the best Go Go's in BKK like my current favorites KC1, Billboard, Pink, and RB2.

But I would be depressed too if I was relying on Beach Road pickups to satisfy my sexual needs and desires[/QUOTE]I'm a gogo only type of guy. Maybe I will swing by Pattaya next weekend to check out Sensations, but I've been to Pattaya about 10 times and I have yet to be with any girl there I would rate in the top 100 Thai girls I have been with.

My buddy tells me that The Office now has a bar fine of 2000 baht for ST and 3000 baht for LT. Enjoy agogo guys!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328241]I find the quality of girls in Pattaya to be depressing relative to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Same as BKK it depends on where you go. Palace and Skyfall lineups can compete with the best lineups in Bangkok like Billboard and Bacarra. Then as another poster mentioned gogos like Pin up (haven't been enough to call it elite tier), sensations, happy and sapphire club are pretty damn good. In between that is tons of gogos that can have from 0-a few hot girls working on any given night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328925]My buddy tells me that The Office now has a bar fine of 2000 baht for ST and 3000 baht for LT. Enjoy agogo guys![/QUOTE]Only 3000 LT? That place was more expensive than that 10 years ago. I find that hard to believe.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328971]Only 3000 LT? That place was more expensive than that 10 years ago. I find that hard to believe.[/QUOTE]I said for the bar fine; not for the girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329015]I said for the bar fine; not for the girl.[/QUOTE]My mistake. I had thought 2000 bar fine and 3000 LT to the girl. I was thinking that was a good deal. Those girls won't go with just anyone either, they have to at least like you somewhat.

[QUOTE=Lorus;2328665]And what is it about fat British ladies in groups coming here? What are they looking for?[/QUOTE]Oh the horror.

No, no, no. This will not do.

This place is fast becoming the land of the brown buffalo already, we do not need white rhinos in the mix clogging and blocking the sois.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328925]My buddy tells me that The Office now has a bar fine of 2000 baht for ST and 3000 baht for LT. Enjoy agogo guys![/QUOTE]Fucking hell. That is LK Metro! Not even Walking Street. Girls were not really all that hot when I was there last time either (but it was about a year ago). I will probably skip Patts this year and focus on Jakarta with a short trip to BKK (mostly for shopping) and to meet up with some old flames.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2329095]Fucking hell. That is LK Metro! Not even Walking Street. Girls were not really all that hot when I was there last time either (but it was about a year ago). I will probably skip Patts this year and focus on Jakarta with a short trip to BKK (mostly for shopping) and to meet up with some old flames.[/QUOTE]I had thought he was talking about The Office on soi 33 in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329286]I had thought he was talking about The Office on soi 33 in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Why would he talk about The Office on Soi 33 in Bangkok on the Pattaya thread? Plus, isn't The Office on Soi 33 closed for good?

Walked along Beach Road last night, lots of girls sitting on motorcycles on the opposite side of the road from the beach. Some were doable imo, most not to my liking. I didn't ask prices.

Was offered BJ in a private room at Xcite. 500 thb plus 300 for room. Lady not bad but too heavy for my liking. Some guy pulled his pants down to the floor right in the bar and got serviced while talking to two of his buddies. Several spinner types but they were busy. Will try here again!

Lots of massage places around Soi Xcite but no girls to my liking, most too heavy / past sell by date IMO.

Just booked my tickets for a Business trip to China. Will be returning via Patts. Oh how I can't wait to see nok. We have been chatting lining FBing since I left can't wait to see her again.

Anyhow she says that she stays in a 1 br and that I can stay with her when in Patts. Me however planning to book somewhere else. Want to pamper her. Any pointers as to a resort or a hotel with spas in hotel jacuzzis in room types??

As can be seen continuously in the posts, BJs are ubiquitous and easily had in many places in Pattaya. I am looking for a true down-to-the-balls no-gag-reflex deep throat, like can be found in Bangkok at Tulip and Snow White among some other places. Not been successful in locating such a thing in Pattaya thus far. Have looked in Bliss, on Soi Post Office and of course Soi 6, but even where the skill was claimed, sadly it was not delivered. Have not yet seen if it can be found in one of the places on Soi Full Love yet, but will probably check in a few days.

Has anyone managed to locate this in Pattaya somewhere? Or is this so rare that I am fortunate to know of 4 or 5 providers in Bangkok who can deliver it, and otherwise I am out of luck? If you prefer to give details by PM instead of open post that is OK.

P.S. I have heard that some ladyboys deliver this, but I am uninterested in that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2328925]My buddy tells me that The Office now has a bar fine of 2000 baht for ST and 3000 baht for LT. Enjoy agogo guys![/QUOTE]Forgot where I got the information? The office from what I understand was taken over by the people of KINK? I wouldn't be surprised if the BF being 2000, I was at Champagne end of year girl came up to my cousin and said she is a model 2000 baht, I thought she was a he, there wasn't anything much better on stage and there were lots of them.

Being just open they might as usual hired agency or model girls whatever they want to call them these days for 10-day contract which usually means many girls will not go with the customer unless you are willing to pay top baht?

On a personal note, I'm not surprised since many of the GoGo seem today owned by a bunch of foreigners pulling their money together each time a new one is opened the price goes up to try to regroup the high price they have paid for space. I remember one of the first new GoGo opened on Soi Baukhao called Rehab? Soft opening near 10 years ago sat there as a visitor listening to one of the owner's trying to justify his BF of 1500 baht, that he " had to " able to compete for a reason " had to " hire 10-15 day contract girls at 30,000 baht a contract? Where I'm from whenever someone say " had to " means they are being blackmailed or forced to do something against their will.

This is the same stuff going down on WS, a French group opening a number of places with increase BF?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2330644]" had to " hire 10-15 day contract girls at 30,000 baht a contract?[/QUOTE]I was at a certain gentlemen's club the other day where I mess with one of the workers off the clock. I overheard the owner talking about paying the girls from Country something or other. So evidently even some chicks at these gentelmen's clubs are rented from other places. I wish I had the money to throw away opening some bullshit Thailand bar, gogo, gentlemen's club, restaurant, or massage shop. I certainly would not use it for that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2330728]I was at a certain gentlemen's club the other day where I mess with one of the workers off the clock. I overheard the owner talking about paying the girls from Country something or other. So evidently even some chicks at these gentelmen's clubs are rented from other places. I wish I had the money to throw away opening some bullshit Thailand bar, gogo, gentlemen's club, restaurant, or massage shop. I certainly would not use it for that.[/QUOTE]Like on WS, a number of GoGo are owned by the same group, whenever they open one they borrow the best one for the soft or Grand opening. A new GM club just open called Babylon? I noticed a number from the FB page girls from other GM clubs even other girls who are on contract. If they know ahead timing is right girls make up excuses so they can make quick money at these opening. When KINK first open a number of girls from Bac / Happy took off for their soft opening.

A number of GM clubs especially along that Soi near Love Inn is owned by the guy with a number of places on Soi 6. Of course you didn't hear this from me.

So there is this chick that I fuck with that works at Simon Complex on Walking Street. I let her come over sometimes when she is off work and she stays LT for the usual 1000 baht. (I guess she is off today because she is begging me to come over.) When she was over here last week she was telling me that she met a guy on Badoo the day before. He said that he would give her 3000 for LT. She told him he would have to pay the bar fine of 500 for her to leave work as well. He agreed.

She said that she got to his hotel and he opened the door and he was chest high to her. And this is not a tall chick. So the guy was a midget. She said he showed her a bunch of sex toys and said he must have had a hidden camera because he showed her a video of him fucking another chick.

She said she made excuses to leave because there was no way she could fuck a midget. I said that is work. 3000 baht. You should have been getting that money. She said if a man gets to choose what girl he wants then she should be able to choose what man she wants. I said huh? Man choose the girl and the girl choose money. If you need money you can't be choosing who is giving it to you. But she said she could, so she left that 3000 baht behind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331695]She said she made excuses to leave because there was no way she could fuck a midget.[/QUOTE]Speaking of midgets, you don't see many in Thailand.

Why is that?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331695]So there is this chick that I fuck with that works at Simon Complex on Walking Street. I let her come over sometimes when she is off work and she stays LT for the usual 1000 baht. (I guess she is off today because she is begging me to come over.) When she was over here last week she was telling me that she met a guy on Badoo the day before. He said that he would give her 3000 for LT. She told him he would have to pay the bar fine of 500 for her to leave work as well. He agreed.

She said that she got to his hotel and he opened the door and he was chest high to her. And this is not a tall chick. So the guy was a midget. She said he showed her a bunch of sex toys and said he must have had a hidden camera because he showed her a video of him fucking another chick.

She said she made excuses to leave because there was no way she could fuck a midget. I said that is work. 3000 baht. You should have been getting that money. She said if a man gets to choose what girl he wants then she should be able to choose what man she wants. I said huh? Man choose the girl and the girl choose money. If you need money you can't be choosing who is giving it to you. But she said she could, so she left that 3000 baht behind.[/QUOTE]Epic story!

C'mon folks. Someone gotta 'fess up. Who is it here? 5555.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331695]
She said she made excuses to leave because there was no way she could fuck a midget. I said that is work. 3000 baht. You should have been getting that money. She said if a man gets to choose what girl he wants then she should be able to choose what man she wants. I said huh? Man choose the girl and the girl choose money. If you need money you can't be choosing who is giving it to you. But she said she could, so she left that 3000 baht behind.[/QUOTE]Have you ever fucked a midget yourself? I have never done a girl less than 4 ft 10 inches (an Indonesian girl from an island with big tits) I would imagine, but did have a 5 ft. Filipina GF for a while. I am not short. In Germany and Holland, I am probably average Ha ha or a little more.

Height is really beside the point, he was creepy too and secret video was not looking good. Sure she doesn't just fuck anyone for 3 K. Girls are allowed to set standards and refuse customers. One reason to be a bargirl is to be able to refuse customers. MP girls don't get it so easy. However when I went to Dozo massage recently I was only offered 3 out of the maybe 12 girls in the line up. The rest refuse tall farangs. If I was a midget would they take me? Ha ha Maybe not. I have met a dwarf semi-midget guy in Germany hung like a horse at the FKK club. Hansie was a regular and a practical joker prankster. Some girls refused him, either his huge dick or short stature or his personality.

Surely you believe that your girl is willing to fuck LT for 1 K indicates, that she likes you, and wants the company. She would not seem to be doing it just for the 1 K.

Now if she was getting 30 K she might change her mind. All girls are hookers, it is just a matter of where they set their standard and what price can buy them. Okay I suppose there are exceptions. Some girls pig headedly would not fuck even for 10 million Baht. Probably too religious.

I don't fuck ugly girls, even if I could get them for free. That is my main factor for rejecting. My dick just might not rise. I might change my mind if she was paying really well. Ha ha. A few years ago, there was a southern Thai girl wanting to be my GF and I could have her for free, and years before I liked her, but at the time, I fucked her once or twice, and decided that I didn't really like her enough any more. Had grown fat, and her conversation was excessively repetitive. So I tried to make it work, but could not. I needed a skinny pretty girl who would ignore me much more, and be less needy. Since then never fucked any girl who does not meet minimum criteria. I don't see why a girl can't have her criteria too.

In the Thermae in 1991, girls were very commonly knocking guys back. I have no idea if the girl did not like the guys, and for looking for chemistry for a good night of sex, or the guy wanted all night for 200 baht or what was the problem. I had enough Thai to ask if she wanted to go to the Hotel with me, maybe that encouraged some of them that some communication would be possible. I don't recall needing to negotiate a price.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331756]Have you ever fucked a midget yourself? [/QUOTE]Plenty. I am a midget specialist. Years ago I used to have a free chick in Pattaya that wanted to come over every night. She used to have to count to 3 before she jumped on the back of my motorbike. Last year a buddy of mine who is another BM ended up meeting her on a baht bus. She started juicing him though. I told him to stop spending all that money on that broad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331756]Surely you believe that your girl is willing to fuck LT for 1 K indicates, that she likes you, and wants the company. She would not seem to be doing it just for the 1 K.[/QUOTE]No idea what it indicates. My going rate is 1000 or 1200 for LT. Only twice have I given a chick 1500 for LT. I have never paid more than that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328765]They can score with the black dudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kvLHz13xEY[/QUOTE]No they can't. Why would a black dude come all the way to Thailand, to fuck some fat white girl?

Hey guys,

Coming Pattaya for a week.

If I could be served with a favour of providing details of place where actual and proper Nuru massage would be available in Pattaya.

Kindly help. Any help needed in Mumbai (India) would be fulfilled from my end.

Thanks in advance.

Tharime.

[QUOTE=ChrisH;2331769]No they can't. Why would a black dude come all the way to Thailand, to fuck some fat white girl?[/QUOTE]I hope you are kidding. Hell man, that's a black man's number one preference!

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2331704]Speaking of midgets, you don't see many in Thailand.

Why is that?[/QUOTE]There was a hot one working KISS gogo on soi cowboy about 10 years ago. I fucked her. Her legs couldn't have been more than a foot long total.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331695]So there is this chick that I fuck with that works at Simon Complex on Walking Street. I let her come over sometimes when she is off work and she stays LT for the usual 1000 baht. (I guess she is off today because she is begging me to come over.) When she was over here last week she was telling me that she met a guy on Badoo the day before. He said that he would give her 3000 for LT. She told him he would have to pay the bar fine of 500 for her to leave work as well. He agreed.

She said that she got to his hotel and he opened the door and he was chest high to her. And this is not a tall chick. So the guy was a midget. She said he showed her a bunch of sex toys and said he must have had a hidden camera because he showed her a video of him fucking another chick.

She said she made excuses to leave because there was no way she could fuck a midget. I said that is work. 3000 baht. You should have been getting that money. She said if a man gets to choose what girl he wants then she should be able to choose what man she wants. I said huh? Man choose the girl and the girl choose money. If you need money you can't be choosing who is giving it to you. But she said she could, so she left that 3000 baht behind.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is the same Midget? I've not seen him for a while but years back at Bacarra this Russian midget and his dad visited regularly the father wasn't a midget. I knew many of the girls working there one night I was sitting up on one of higher booths just below the DJ I fit right in with the Japanese and Korean moments later the midget walks in with one of the girls I've done a number of times he sits right below and she goes to the back. After a while, she comes back out with a friend and normal get drinks etc. Conversation and then I noticed he is pretty aggressive very entertaining to watch. A number of the girls working come and go to get their drinks from him after a while one of them noticed me and came up to join me. As we talk she kind of told me a bit about him that aside from the drinks she never has gone with him although he pays well a bit too kinky for her. He is the only midget foreign I've ever seen in Pattaya maybe he gone underground now on Badoo etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331756]Have you ever fucked a midget yourself? I have never done a girl less than 4 ft 10 inches (an Indonesian girl from an island with big tits) I would imagine, but did have a 5 ft. Filipina GF for a while.[/QUOTE]Midgets often have relatively short limbs and big heads which makes them unattractive for me. 'Normal' small girls have the right proportions usually, so I think you cannot compare them with midgets.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331695] Man choose the girl and the girl choose money. If you need money you can't be choosing who is giving it to you. [/QUOTE]Oh Mr E, sometimes the world is so simple for you LOL. Of course she can choose. She can always choose. This time she apparently didn't need the money bad enough.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2332010]Midgets often have relatively short limbs and big heads which makes them unattractive for me. 'Normal' small girls have the right proportions usually, so I think you cannot compare them with midgets.[/QUOTE]What you describe in the first sentence is actually a dwarf. A midget is under 147cm and has normal head and limb proportions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332019]What you describe in the first sentence is actually a dwarf. A midget has normal head and limb proportions.[/QUOTE]Then the chick I fucked from KISS bar in Soi Cowboy was a dwarf.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332019]What you describe in the first sentence is actually a dwarf. A midget is under 147cm and has normal head and limb proportions.[/QUOTE]I'm not American but aren't dwarfs often called midgets and the other way around? Maybe 'little people' is more politically correct?

Are you saying you've only fucked midgets and not dwarfs?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2332030]Are you saying you've only fucked midgets and not dwarfs?[/QUOTE]Exactly. I am in the same boat with you on that. Big heads and short limbs are not attractive to me as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332019]What you describe in the first sentence is actually a dwarf. A midget is under 147cm and has normal head and limb proportions.[/QUOTE]For me, I stand corrected but my reference was in regards to a Dwarf and not a midget.

If you consider a midget to be a normally proportioned person, just very short, then how is that of any interest that you had sex with those? Everyone who has been to Asia has done that. Hell, my live-in girlfriend would be considered a midget.

Have sex with a dwarf, then you've accomplished something unique worth mentioning. LOL (I tried it, but it was not good.)

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331830]I hope you are kidding. Hell man, that's a black man's number one preference![/QUOTE]Ok, keep telling yourself that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332019]What you describe in the first sentence is actually a dwarf. A midget is under 147cm and has normal head and limb proportions.[/QUOTE]What about the munchkins? What are they? Hahahahha.

Visited Pattaya again after a couple of years. Reached late at night, checked in a hotel and then left for Walking Street.

Windmill at Walking Street: Two floors filled with Gogo girls, dancing in shifts on the stage. All the girls were almost nude with open blouse (tits popping out) and no panty under their skirt. I made an eye contact with a girl on the dance floor. She came to me after her dance and sat on my lap. She was 20 year old from Isaan with medium assets. Looked like a school girl. After a brief make out session asked for a lady drink, which was honored by me. After 3 LDs, she had passionately kissed me, been fingered by me and had got her assets squeezed. She asked me to add her on Facebook and said she liked me a lot. She was an amazing girl but her barfine was 1000 TBH and asked 3000 for herself. I then moved to the second floor to sample other girls. Here I found a girl with 36 the natural tits with a good face and body. Almost same story repeated with this girl with intense make out session after LDs. She also wanted me to barfine her but I was too tired to do that. Walked out at 3 am and headed to my hotel, was too tired to sleep.

Cats Massage: Headed out to have a massage, it was 5 am in the morning. Could only find Cats massage open on the second street of the beach road. A masseuse slightly on the older side called me. Was in mood of massage so headed upstairs for an oil massage for 300. She gave an excellent massage using oil and balm and alleviated all my pain. She offered me a BBBJ with CIM for 400. I accepted and walked out as a happy man and slept peacefully in my hotel room.

Day 2 report to follow.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331832]There was a hot one working KISS gogo on soi cowboy about 10 years ago. I fucked her. Her legs couldn't have been more than a foot long total.[/QUOTE]Foot long legs?

That would've made her the same body composition as the late actor Nelson de la Rosa who starred in the 1996 science fiction horror film The Island of Dr. Moreau. I'm so glad to hear she was better looking than the Dominican movie star.

How the hell do these chicks sleep like this? She went to sleep at midnight and it is now 2 pm and she is still asleep. I went to sleep at 3:30 am and woke up before 10.

I went and picked old girl up at 7 pm yesterday. I just dropped her home at 4 pm today. I reached in my pocket and gave her 1200 baht and told her to tell me that she loves me. She told me she loves me and I said I love you too. She said if you love me you will give me 2000. I said let's just say I like you a lot for 1200 then. She said just kidding and went inside.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332399]How the hell do these chicks sleep like this? She went to sleep at midnight and it is now 2 pm and she is still asleep. I went to sleep at 3:30 am and woke up before 10.[/QUOTE]That's something I have never been able to figure out.

Thanks for sharing the pics.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332399]How the hell do these chicks sleep like this? She went to sleep at midnight and it is now 2 pm and she is still asleep. I went to sleep at 3:30 am and woke up before 10.[/QUOTE]Mattress, Air Con when she wakes up hot shower! I found out the hard way with my fat and lazy daughter-in-law.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2332399]How the hell do these chicks sleep like this? She went to sleep at midnight and it is now 2 pm and she is still asleep. I went to sleep at 3:30 am and woke up before 10.[/QUOTE]She's spent half her life partying till 4 am then having no commitments till 6 pm the next day.

You've spent half your life getting up too early and having shit to do all day.

BTW, assuming the front is as good as the back, very nice indeed!!

Different situations happen in life. But did you like it at night?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2332514]
You've spent half your life getting up too early and having shit to do all day.
[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more. I am from India, similar situation here in Bangalore as well, White-collar slavery.

Guys,

Help needed for Nuru again.

Requesting the seniors here for the pointers please.

Mr Enternational if you can be kind and help please.

[QUOTE=ThaRime2;2331826]Hey guys,

Coming Pattaya for a week.

If I could be served with a favour of providing details of place where actual and proper Nuru massage would be available in Pattaya.

Kindly help. Any help needed in Mumbai (India) would be fulfilled from my end.

Thanks in advance.

Tharime.[/QUOTE]

Hello fellow mongers,

How are you all?

Guys I am Tijuana this side and I will be travelling to Bangkok and Pattaya in two weeks. Hotel booked by travel agent is.

Citrus Grande Pattaya and I don't know if this is a guest friendly hotel or not because when I emailed the hotel regarding my booking they clearly said they will only accept free extra guest if the booking will be done from their website. Damage is already done and hotel have been booked by my travel agent!! Please suggest me some value for money hotel very near to citrus as all of my friends will be staying there.

And friends please do suggest some beautiful Thai girls also and massage parlours also as I don't like gogo bar girls. I like freelancers better or like I always do in Phuket just talk to local girls and out of 10 - 1 will definitely like you! You might not end up having sex but you will definitely have a good time with her.

Guys please do help me regarding this.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331830]I hope you are kidding. Hell man, that's a black man's number one preference![/QUOTE]Some guys watch too much Bbc.

[QUOTE=BackToDesi;2332880]Hello fellow mongers,

How are you all?

Guys I am Tijuana this side and I will be travelling to Bangkok and Pattaya in two weeks. Hotel booked by travel agent is.

Citrus Grande Pattaya and I don't know if this is a guest friendly hotel or not because when I emailed the hotel regarding my booking they clearly said they will only accept free extra guest if the booking will be done from their website. Damage is already done and hotel have been booked by my travel agent!! Please suggest me some value for money hotel very near to citrus as all of my friends will be staying there.

And friends please do suggest some beautiful Thai girls also and massage parlours also as I don't like gogo bar girls. I like freelancers better or like I always do in Phuket just talk to local girls and out of 10 - 1 will definitely like you! You might not end up having sex but you will definitely have a good time with her.

Guys please do help me regarding this.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]With the help of google, 1. 000 Baht extra for guests.

I don't know if it's true or not.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/FAQ_Answers-g293919-d12906634-t4675078-Do_u_have_any_joiner_fee.html[/URL]

Hotel advice is difficult because I don't know what do you expect.

Use google "guestfriendly hotel Pattaya" and choose one, send them a message and ask your travel agent for changing. Maybe the damage is a little bit lower.

Massage shops are all over the town, best place for me is Soi buakhao area.

Freelancers at beach road or clubs and discos on walking street.

[QUOTE=ThaRime2;2332672]Guys,

Help needed for Nuru again.

Requesting the seniors here for the pointers please.

Mr Enternational if you can be kind and help please.[/QUOTE][URL]https://devilsdenthailand.com/nuru-massage.html[/URL]

They offer nuru services.

Thanks mate.

I am sorry to tell you but I can not change the hotel as it is already booked because I am travelling with a lot of friends.

But what best I can do is go there and book another hotel or I can book the same hotel if they confirm no extra guest fee.

So thanks a lot but if you have some nice girls in mind please do let me know.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2333127]With the help of google, 1. 000 Baht extra for guests.

I don't know if it's true or not.

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/FAQ_Answers-g293919-d12906634-t4675078-Do_u_have_any_joiner_fee.html[/URL]

Hotel advice is difficult because I don't know what do you expect.

Use google "guestfriendly hotel Pattaya" and choose one, send them a message and ask your travel agent for changing. Maybe the damage is a little bit lower.

Massage shops are all over the town, best place for me is Soi buakhao area.

Freelancers at beach road or clubs and discos on walking street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333156]You are right that we may have different taste. Those skeleton girls are my pretty much my last choice. (other than girls who have had babies) <snip>
I was in Baccara <cowboy> the other night and I thought the talent level was excellent. In my opinion, better than Billboard <nana>. However, as you say, our tastes may differ.

I will admit that my current live-in Indo girl is one of the skeleton girls, I am sure just your type. 38kg 20 year old with smooth white skin. But that is not usually what I go for normally. She has a face I really like and is such a sweety. Given I have that at home, I normally go for bigger girls when I go out at night on my own. Even before she stayed with me, I normally went for girls with a little meat on their bones. Stomach has to be flat, but big tits, big ass and even big legs and some meat on their arms is good in my book as long as they are firm..I[/QUOTE]Then I would amend my Pattaya Go Go recommendations to you. I really liked Pin Up Go Go because they had a number of natural ta ta, thin girls and all their girls seemed to have a good attitude towards making their customers happy and getting barfined. In other words, I liked the quality and the ambiance of the place and while there were a few larger breasted "firmer" girls more to your taste, you might not like the place as much as I do. Same for Infinity Go Go although they have a couple of tall, thin "stunners" in that bar that I am really attracted to.

So taking in mind your preferences, I would recommend Sensations, Happy, Baccara, and Sapphire when or if you visit Pattaya. But do take a look inside Pin Up and let me know what you think.

P.S. Maybe you should introduce your current live-in Indo girl to me. She sounds amazing. Ha Ha. Just kidding. Stay thirsty!

NB

Yesterday I noticed a new gentelmen's club around from my place on Soi Bongkot. It is called Babylon (Pattaya Tai Soi16). I went a 6 today to check it out. The look is the same as the ones on Soi Full Love Inn. Price for the room is 350 and price for the girl is 1500.

I met a chick on Tinder last night and she came over today. She said she is in town from Udon Thani and staying with her friend until the 13th. We talked and watched TV and she was trying to play the normal girl role, so I decided to heat things up myself. The foreplay was going well and just when I was about to put the dick in she asked you will give me money?

I said up to you. She said how much. I said how much you want. She said 2000. I said 1000. She said 1000 and 200 to get food. I said 1000. We started fucking and it was great. I stopped by the ATM to get her 1000 baht as I was dropping her back to her friend's place on Soi PP.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333439]if you visit Pattaya. [/QUOTE]I decided to skip Pattaya and return to Jakarta early.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2333463]Yesterday I noticed a new gentelmen's club around from my place on Soi Bongkot. It is called Babylon (Pattaya Tai Soi16). I went a 6 today to check it out. The look is the same as the ones on Soi Full Love Inn. Price for the room is 350 and price for the girl is 1500.[/QUOTE]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333655]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.[/QUOTE]When the place open there was some question as to whether the owner a Farang had hired agency girls for the opening since the one in the middle couldn't be BF, the excuse she was the niece or something of the Mamasan who happen to step out for a few hours or the day so she was working as a cashier to something thus the reason gave for her not going with the customer? The owner or manager said he doesn't hire agency girls and that all can be BF, not sure she is part of the lineup?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333655]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.[/QUOTE]Its pretty hard to tell without video and seeing the body, ha ha. The one on left maybe? Does not seem ugly to me at first glance, and maybe has an exotic look. I would probably skip the middle one. Nose and chest shape both not looking not quite right. All 3 may well have nose jobs. Ha ha. I suppose lefty is too brown for the skin tone bigots. Looks like a real Thai though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333655]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.[/QUOTE]The one in the middle looks too similar to Jennifer Jason Leigh from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. I was never into her due to lack of sex appeal, I'm more a Phoebe Cates guy.

The one on the left looks kind of sexy though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333655]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.[/QUOTE]They all look very artificial to me. Not sure I'd be comfortable in bar fining any of them. What's the obsession with blonde hair? All the Pinays are bleaching their hair blonde as well. They look like idiots.

I like the sweet, innocent, plain looking ones with black hair in AC better.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333817]The one in the middle looks too similar to Jennifer Jason Leigh from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. I was never into her due to lack of sex appeal, I'm more a Phoebe Cates guy.

The one on the left looks kind of sexy though.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to say she's top gogo girl quality. Agree she is far from a must do girl for me too. Was just saying for 1500 baht she isn't too bad and I would consider her over 1000 baht Soi 6 girls. If I found a girl who looked like Phoebe Cates I'd retire from this hobby.

Syzy, I can almost guarantee you that the other 2 girls in the photo do not work at Babylon. As LBM stated seems like this bar hires promo girls. IIRC they are having some sort of Penthouse girls night this week.

I have never been here which is why I asked Mr E his opinion of the lineup.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333655]What was your opinion of the lineup? For me the one in blue in the middle is the only one I would pay the 500 baht premium for.[/QUOTE]Well none of the chicks in there that day looked remotely like anyone in that picture. You would be better off spending your money on Soi 6 IMHO.

Do you guys really do that much analyzing when going out to get some pussy? I am more of an I want to fuck her, I don't want to fuck her kind of guy; not well she looks like little Marta that I was in 3rd grade with except her nose is slimmer which really does nothing for me or she reminds me of 80s porn star whoever that I have always been in love with so I definitely want her.

Anytime someone throws out the name of some supposedly famous person in comparison to a chick, I have no idea of who the person is. I guess I am just not that into famous people.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333609]I decided to skip Pattaya and return to Jakarta early.[/QUOTE]Better choice, bro!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2333828]They all look very artificial to me. Not sure I'd be comfortable in bar fining any of them. What's the obsession with blonde hair? All the Pinays are bleaching their hair blonde as well. They look like idiots.

I like the sweet, innocent, plain looking ones with black hair in AC better.[/QUOTE]I have a thing for those girls with bleached blonde hair. I'll pick them almost every time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334010]I have a thing for those girls with bleached blonde hair. I'll pick them almost every time.[/QUOTE]Yes, with big brown eyes and a nice bosom. I'm a sucker for these, too. Amigo.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334010]I have a thing for those girls with bleached blonde hair. I'll pick them almost every time.[/QUOTE]Puzzling to me. I can't see how the hair colour makes a scrap of difference. Either the girl is pretty or she is not. Jet black hair, Green hair, blue hair, pink hair, bring it on. I don't care. One of prettiest bargirls I ever had, had rainbow coloured hair at one time. Bands of colour. I can do a wide range of skin colours as well, and have got used to a lot of tats. Prefer not to have tats on the face, tits, pussy and ass though. Prefer pussy to not be pierced. Interferes with the DATY, and the grinding in cowgirl. Could be painful. Hate chin piercings, lip and nose rings. Tongue stud is okay.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333817]The one in the middle looks too similar to Jennifer Jason Leigh from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. I was never into her due to lack of sex appeal, I'm more a Phoebe Cates guy.

The one on the left looks kind of sexy though.[/QUOTE]I recall J Jason Leigh at her best in "Single White Female". Just so so looks, but not at all similar to the Thai girl in the pic.

Not sure that Phoebe Cates was ever my type at all. Just okay When young for me. I added 3 examples of actresses that impressed me when I was young. Phoebe pictured last. I guess I prefer a bit sharper face.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334143]Puzzling to me. I can't see how the hair colour makes a scrap of difference. Either the girl is pretty or she is not.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? I agree with your opinion about her hair color not making a difference in if I think she has pretty features, but the color of her hair can make a huge difference in the way some girls look.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2334205]Are you kidding? I agree with your opinion about her hair color not making a difference in if I think she has pretty features, but the color of her hair can make a huge difference in the way some girls look.[/QUOTE]Not kidding. Try "mycherrycrush" porn videos. She has dark brown plain hair in one and many other coloured hair even rainbow maybe. Her face looks extremely cute regardless. Which colour hair would I pick? I just don't care. I suppose I can say that black girls with blonde hair look a bit silly, and some Thai girls also look silly as a blonde but only some. I prefer black hair over dark brown I guess, but just would not get too fussy. In Old porn Anita Blond was sometimes platinum blonde and sometimes had black hair. No big problem. Hot face, hot body.

Seems like you are saying that some average to ugly girls can be better with a hair change colour. If they are not real cute, then again, I just don't care what colour the hair is. Maybe they could have improved, but by enough? Give us an example with face having equal makeup levels and age same for the single girl, where hair colour alone made a big difference. I think it can be struggle.

Look at these pics. Only in the last pic does the girl look much different. However changed her age, bodyweight, makeup and hairstyle, covering face more or less, not just hair colour alone.

In my case, I doubt hair colour will have much influence on my choice, unless the colour is just too dazzling for me to cope with like dazzling tinsel blue. Some of my regular girls have coloured hair, some have plain, and I have no blonde regulars at present (except one fake dark blonde in Romanian Adele and looks slightly like a young Cameron Diaz and BB knows her). My history shows choosing non blondes more often (perhaps I am attracted to darker more exotic looks). I guess many guys think that dark brown to black hair is too normal and boring. Lighter brown too mousey. In a plane from Ireland I noticed that 90% of the girls on board were blonde, but only 3 or 4 of the guys were blonde and they were probably gays. 99% were clearly bottle blondes. Big deal! Did the girls look better blonde? No idea. Ambivalent.

My Mrs has tried many hair shades. I liked her original dark colour (not quite black) as much as any. Maybe was more innocent looking. All Thais have naturally black hair! Not quite. Actually they have many shades of dark brown to black, but they all have brown eyes.

What is the best way to get Viagra without a doctor's note in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Sydien;2334764]What is the best way to get Viagra without a doctor's note in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Walk into any pharmacy and ask the staff. Pay for what they give you. Leave the way you entered the store.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2334835]Walk into any pharmacy and ask the staff. Pay for what they give you. Leave the way you entered the store.[/QUOTE]Oh, I didn't know it was that easy. I had been reading that was a lot more difficult to do nowadays.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334217]I liked her original dark colour (not quite black) as much as any. [/QUOTE]I love it when Asian chicks have blonde hair. I also love the orange hair look. I especially think it's hot when they shave one side of their head, then have long hair on top.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2334835]Walk into any pharmacy and ask the staff. Pay for what they give you. Leave the way you entered the store.[/QUOTE]Hi Blanq.

We usually sit in a beer bar and someone will come to our table and sell it to us between beers LOL. I usually bring from Australia but so far my mates have bought from the touts and so far all products worked. If I am caught short in Soi 6 I know one of the bar managers will give me a pill no worries.

All the best.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Sydien;2334862]Oh, I didn't know it was that easy. I had been reading that was a lot more difficult to do nowadays.[/QUOTE]If money can be made, legal or not it's easily found in Thailand.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2334984]We usually sit in a beer bar and someone will come to our table and sell it to us between beers LOL.[/QUOTE]I know guys who buy it from the street guys and it works for them as well. I'm a bit surprised because most medication loses its effectiveness being exposed to high heat for long periods of time. Those performance enhancers must have super powers withstanding 100+ degress Fahrenheit day in day out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2335013]If money can be made, legal or not it's easily found in Thailand.

I know guys who buy it from the street guys and it works for them as well. I'm a bit surprised because most medication loses its effectiveness being exposed to high heat for long periods of time. Those performance enhancers must have super powers withstanding 100+ degress Fahrenheit day in day out.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Maybe placebos are working for us. I have used these a couple of times and they work but I will still use my Aussie pills where I can.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2334835]Walk into any pharmacy and ask the staff. Pay for what they give you. Leave the way you entered the store.[/QUOTE]It really is that simple. Ask for generic Viagra or Cialis depending on your plans. I buy both so I can be prepared for the quick hookup or the extended layover.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2335067]It really is that simple. Ask for generic Viagra or Cialis depending on your plans. I buy both so I can be prepared for the quick hookup or the extended layover.[/QUOTE]Cialis lasts longer or is that Viagra?

[QUOTE=Sydien;2335151]Cialis lasts longer or is that Viagra?[/QUOTE]Cialis generally lasts longer than Viagra, but each person reacts slightly differently. I find I get better erections from Viagra, but Cialis can last 24-36 hrs.

Cialis and Viagra have been discussed ad nauseum. No need to revisit everything about c and v every time someone asks where to buy some.

It's also not pattaya specific and should be discussed in the general reports or lounge threads.

Sorry for being p1ssy but my time is very limited these days. I'm not in Thailand now and would actually like to read some pattaya reviews. Anyone have any?

[QUOTE=Sydien;2335151]Cialis lasts longer or is that Viagra?[/QUOTE]Could've gotten your answer faster if you just web searched it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2335440]Cialis and Viagra have been discussed ad nauseum. No need to revisit everything about c and v every time someone asks where to buy some.

It's also not pattaya specific and should be discussed in the general reports or lounge threads.

....[/QUOTE]Or here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?272-Viagra-amp-other-Performance-Enhancers[/URL]

Lack of thread discipline is killing this forum.

[QUOTE=Sydien;2335151]Cialis lasts longer or is that Viagra?[/QUOTE]Cialis gives me a headache.

Viagra gives me an erection.

Simple as that. YMMV.

[QUOTE=RogerSideways;2335665]Cialis gives me a headache.

Viagra gives me an erection.

Simple as that. YMMV.[/QUOTE]I took cialis once. It gave me a three day headache. I haven't taken it again.

Hypocritical to my prior post, I may as well contribute more to the Viagra / Cialis thread, formerly known as the Pattaya Reports thread.

I tried Cialis once too about 10 to 15 years ago for fun. My leg muscles froze up and I couldn't walk for days. Never again. Well maybe in another 20 years when I physically need it.

Tried Viagra once too about 20 years ago. Every thing looked blue. Blue girls don't turn me on much so I haven't repeated.

Viagra, Cialis, if you want to derail the thread at least have the guts to discuss something a bit adventurous. Like sex on shrooms, on E, .

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2335735]Hypocritical to my prior post, I may as well contribute more to the Viagra / Cialis thread, formerly known as the Pattaya Reports thread.

I tried Cialis once too about 10 to 15 years ago for fun. My leg muscles froze up and I couldn't walk for days. Never again. Well maybe in another 20 years when I physically need it.

Tried Viagra once too about 20 years ago. Every thing looked blue. Blue girls don't turn me on much so I haven't repeated.[/QUOTE]I have used both with no side effects other then the hot flush when it kicks in. No muscle freezes or blue girls, but I would want to try one for something different.

[QUOTE=XXL;2335744]Viagra, Cialis, if you want to derail the thread at least have the guts to discuss something a bit adventurous. Like sex on shrooms, on E, .[/QUOTE]When I used E and Coke etc I didn't need Viagra LOL.

Getting out of bed is as adventurous as I get these days.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2336166]When I used E and Coke etc I didn't need Viagra LOL.

Getting out of bed is as adventurous as I get these days.[/QUOTE]When I did, I needed boner pills with a vengeance, in order to counteract the wasting side-effects and in order to last all night. My routine as a sober monger feels soooo suburbanly tame in comparison now, only suckin' & fuckin' with girls 25 years younger. Boring. "Juventud, divino tesoro ..."

In our model of post-totalitarian democracy, individual freedoms are shrinking more and more and must now submit to the currents of thought of minorities. So it is with the tariffed love and if it is possible to associate it with a relent of colonial exploiter it is even better. Suffice it to say that you are going to a holiday resort in Thailand (only in addition) to be immediately suspected of going to exploit the human misery and it is those who have never been there who speak about it the most and the strongest (and see is even better if it annoys them). For those of you, do not worry, one day your turn will come when you come to control who you bring in your bed and if what you do there is well in line with the doxa.

Coming from Sensations, just after avoiding a shower as brief as violent, last night I enter the Windmill full of ground floor until the floor created there is little. I immediately feel good in this atmosphere over-excited young and old perverts friendly. I sit in my favorite place just at the foot of the dancers. Maybe the girls of the place are not the most beautiful of Walking Street but they give an atmosphere that makes it a truly unique place. I'm always happy to leave tips in skirts or socks.

After having some appetizers and beers in the buffet, this time I sit in front of a blonde with embossed hair, smiles and the current pass instantly. After a few jokes together, it's useless to know how to speak Thai or English to understand each other, she just straddles me and we play like kids. In my fog ethyl (I have the happy alcohol) it is only after several minutes that I realize that she has a glass eye. Not very well posed, it is really visible once you realize it. But we are both feel so good that nothing disturbs us. On the contrary, I have only more tenderness and affection for her. This is also the alchemy of Pattaya.

But I have a plan matured before for my evening and I have to go now because I have a date for my evening massage and before I have to go before finishing my tour of the gogos. I leave with a big heart like that saying "You're very beautiful" by slipping (a tip of course and) a lot of tenderness and why not, love?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2336166]When I used E and Coke etc I didn't need Viagra LOL.

Getting out of bed is as adventurous as I get these days.[/QUOTE]Then you probably weren't doing good E or coke, it's not called "coke dick" for nothing. Also, from personal experience, E + coke negate each other (could also have been the K), and I took 50 MG of Viagra to try to get long enough stiffy but failed (it was fun trying!

I've done a lot of combinations with a lot of working girls in many countries, the best is oxy+kamagra. Did 10 sessions over a 12 hour period at FKK Mainhattan.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;2336627]Then you probably weren't doing good E or coke, it's not called "coke dick" for nothing. Also, from personal experience, E + coke negate each other (could also have been the K), and I took 50 MG of Viagra to try to get long enough stiffy but failed (it was fun trying!

I've done a lot of combinations with a lot of working girls in many countries, the best is oxy+kamagra. Did 10 sessions over a 12 hour period at FKK Mainhattan.[/QUOTE]When I was experimenting with drugs Viagra wasn't invented LOL.

The last time I was in Pattaya was about 8 years ago. I am sure a lot has changed since then. I will be there later this month. And I need help. The forums are much more lively then before and so far I have gone back several pages but my findings on reports aren't that hot.

So, Pattaya regulars and seniors, please help me. Which are the best soapies? And which are the best massage places which also offer amazing extras? Will be traveling with family so no chance of having any hotel action.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Rapid1505;2337638]The last time I was in Pattaya was about 8 years ago. I am sure a lot has changed since then.[/QUOTE]Nothing has changed. Still men and women meeting up to exchange pussy rental for money.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2335434]Cialis generally lasts longer than Viagra, but each person reacts slightly differently. I find I get better erections from Viagra, but Cialis can last 24-36 hrs.[/QUOTE]Viagra gives me an erection.

Cialis gives me a headache.

YMMV.

Pattaya with family? And how do you get out of that?

Would love to read a report on it.

[QUOTE=Rapid1505;2337638]The last time I was in Pattaya was about 8 years ago. I am sure a lot has changed since then. I will be there later this month. And I need help. The forums are much more lively then before and so far I have gone back several pages but my findings on reports aren't that hot.

So, Pattaya regulars and seniors, please help me. Which are the best soapies? And which are the best massage places which also offer amazing extras? Will be traveling with family so no chance of having any hotel action.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rapid1505;2337638]Which are the best soapies? And which are the best massage places which also offer amazing extras?[/QUOTE]Stay away from the big soapy massage places (Honey, Sabai Room, Sabai Dee and Rasputin), none of them are very good and they are all overpriced. Find a small place where the girls don't wear a uniform and ask if there are any extra's available. Soi Chalermphrakiat, aka Soi Pothole, aka Soi Chaiyapoon has a number of full service massages.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2337797]Soi Chalermphrakiat, aka Soi Pothole, aka Soi Chaiyapoon has a number of full service massages.[/QUOTE]Please explain how they just paved the street a couple of months ago and it is already full of potholes again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2337816]Please explain how they just paved the street a couple of months ago and it is already full of potholes again.[/QUOTE]Easier then changing the Soi's nickname LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2337816]Please explain how they just paved the street a couple of months ago and it is already full of potholes again.[/QUOTE]Soi Pothole is a long standing nickname.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2337816]Please explain how they just paved the street a couple of months ago and it is already full of potholes again.[/QUOTE]Simple I will explain it to you although I think you already know a bit of sarcasm on your part so I hope I can answer for others.

There are no drains on the Soi and most likely never will be due to cost and even if they overlook the cost and put them in when it rains where will the water actually go has anyone seen or even heard of a reservoir in Pattaya area. When it rains on that particular Soi there is nowhere for the water to go. All they did this time was rake the old material off and lay down the same porous composite throughout the Soi from 3rd Road to Soi Baukhao. Their engineer solution on each side of the Soi where there are shops they try to roll it up as close as possible to the entrance.

When it rains and the water level rises it sips under the new road composite which is just dirt, the dirt becomes saturated turns to mud thus causing the new composite to move and breakdown. Thus after two prior large rain storm today there are more and more potholes. Showing up again.

One can also say it wasn't the rain but the shop owners particularly all the massage places that didn't like how smooth the road had becomes which allowed bike and cars to travel faster so late at night the ho's came out and hammer the road and recreated the holes so customers would slow down and pay more attention to the ho's. Thai speedbump?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2338426] the ho's came out and hammer the road and recreated the holes so customers would slow down and pay more attention to the ho's. Thai speedbump?[/QUOTE]Surely you jest.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2338426]Simple I will explain it to you although I think you already know a bit of sarcasm on your part so I hope I can answer for others.[/QUOTE]I seriously wanted to know. I know nothing about paving streets. Seemed weird as shit that they just paved this soi and it is already full of holes again. Makes perfect sense though. You need to go work for them. Ridiculous for them to waste money and time like that, but it seems to be the Thai way. It was a smooth ride while it lasted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338564]I seriously wanted to know. I know nothing about paving streets. Seemed weird as shit that they just paved this soi and it is already full of holes again. Makes perfect sense though. You need to go work for them. Ridiculous for them to waste money and time like that, but it seems to be the Thai way. It was a smooth ride while it lasted.[/QUOTE]It isn't just the Thai way? Corruption is everywhere not only in Thailand but here the philosophy is maybe not to finish the job or do it right? Doing so would mean no money coming into their departments meaning no skimming off the project. When the airport opened in the beginning they had to do many of the ground area where the planes parked because the cement used was below grade so the weight of the aircraft causes the ground to sink.

On the Darkside, many of the roads are finished on time, they seem intentionally rip roads up during the winter, that enable them to leave the project unfinished for months because they skimmed off the top so it can't be finished then they budget again to continue the paving but leave with the drains unfinished for several more months etc etc.

You see all the work done on Pattaya Nua, from Sukhumvit to the Dolphin circle where Terminal 21 is located now they just allocated 70 million to do a study for the skytrain system which they want to come from Sukhumvit down Pattaya Nua to Beach road means everything they did got to be ripped up again?

Several years ago they took money 120 million from the Outdoor stadium where we played Softball so they can create another lanes for Beach Road the reason today the Stadium is still unfinished. Lots of money people getting rich by not doing it right the first time.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2338426]

.... when it rains where will the water actually go has anyone seen or even heard of a reservoir in Pattaya area....
[/QUOTE]That's what they want to do now. Read some days ago in Bangkok Post - 650 Mio THB budget for reservoir and solve problems on beach Road that the water stay near Sukkhumvit and not come down to the beach. Nice profit for some people. 555.

[QUOTE=Rapid1505;2337638]

So, Pattaya regulars and seniors, please help me. Which are the best soapies? And which are the best massage places which also offer amazing extras? Will be traveling with family so no chance of having any hotel action.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The best soapie? The one you don't go to. They are not very good and cost too much, IMHO.

Instead, hit up Soi 6. You have the choice of hundreds of girls and you simply go upstairs to carry out the transaction, all available from 2 PM to 2 AM for roughly half the cost of a soapie.

Really depends what OP wants. We all slam the soapies because they are mechanical and not good value but there's no denying that if you visit often enough and know the right days and times to go there are some good looking girls in some of the soapies around town. The main ones are all within walking distance but there are several others around town hardly discussed on ISG where you can also find a gem on occasion.

I recommend everyone to try at least one soapie if you've never done it. Certainly we all had fun in our very first soapie. At least I did

Never having visited a soapie is like saying I visited pattaya and never went to a gogo bar on walking street or never went to soi 6 or never hit the beer bars in lk metro or never walked along beach road to look for a FL or never having tried one of the 1000 massage parlors or never having visited a G club / bj bar or never been to iBar, etc. Enjoy the variety pattaya has to offer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2333851]I'm not trying to say she's top gogo girl quality. Agree she is far from a must do girl for me too. Was just saying for 1500 baht she isn't too bad and I would consider her over 1000 baht Soi 6 girls. If I found a girl who looked like Phoebe Cates I'd retire from this hobby.

Syzy, I can almost guarantee you that the other 2 girls in the photo do not work at Babylon. As LBM stated seems like this bar hires promo girls. IIRC they are having some sort of Penthouse girls night this week.

I have never been here which is why I asked Mr E his opinion of the lineup.[/QUOTE]I think I'd choose the middle myself. 500 Baht? Dam prices seem have dropped.

Hi Seniors,

I am from India and will in Pattaya and Bangkok till 25th of this month. So I would like to request if you could suggest me some places to try on for a lifetime experience.

TIA.

Jpsoct.

Brothers,

I am traveling to Pattaya in the beginning of August. I would like to get some recommendations for joiner friendly hotels. I am traveling with my friend and we are confused about booking 2 separate rooms vs. 1. Please advise. We are looking for a 4* or 3* near beach road, nothing super expensive.

Also, if any brother can share contacts for Pattaya, I would be glad. PM is active.

Thanks.

Mcfuck.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2338667]The best soapie? The one you don't go to. They are not very good and cost too much, IMHO.

Instead, hit up Soi 6. You have the choice of hundreds of girls and you simply go upstairs to carry out the transaction, all available from 2 PM to 2 AM for roughly half the cost of a soapie.[/QUOTE]Why spend a a thousand dollars (or more) to go to Pattaya and not have a soapie?? This an unique experience that very few men in the world can enjoy. Enjoy every moment of your life and do not be a cheap prick!

[QUOTE=McFuck;2338763]I am traveling to Pattaya in the beginning of August. I would like to get some recommendations for joiner friendly hotels. I am traveling with my friend and we are confused about booking 2 separate rooms vs. 1. Please advise. We are looking for a 4* or 3* near beach road, nothing super expensive.[/QUOTE]Most 3* hotels close to Beach Road will be girl friendly, serving mongers is the point of their existence. It's low season, so you only need to book the first 1-2 nights, and then extend or change places. Only posh places (like the Marriott or Hilton) charge a joiner fee.

If you're two guys traveling together for the purpose of mongering, it's much better to book 2 separate rooms, unless you want to use some elaborate warn-and-stay-away system when you have a girl visiting. Very few things spoil the mood and freak out the girl more quickly than the 2nd guy barging in unexpectedly. If you really love sharing the room with your friend, you could use short time hotels for the girls, but they cost extra, are usually shabby or at the very least unfamiliar and using them decreases the chances of a GFE or long time.

Note the Pattaya Hotels thread, you can ask there for specifics.

You don't need contacts in Pattaya, the whole point is hanging around hundreds of hookers and picking one that strikes your fancy. If you really need contacts before you go, chat up a few girls on ThaiFriendly and get their Line IDs, that's better than a random contact from a random forum member (often out of date, plus one man's meat is another man's poison).

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2338888]Why spend a a thousand dollars (or more) to go to Pattaya and not have a soapie?? This an unique experience that very few men in the world can enjoy. Enjoy every moment of your life and do not be a cheap prick![/QUOTE]I think you missed the salient point. Pattaya soapies are just not that good, and are rarely if ever mentioned positively on this forum.

If you have different information or first hand intel please enlighten us, as I must have missed your field report.

SL.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2338993] Only posh places (like the Marriott or Hilton) charge a joiner fee.[/QUOTE]The Hilton is girl friendly. No joiner fee. The Intercontinental & Holiday Inn are girl friendly too. The Marriott when it WAS the Marriott was girl friendly as well, but since it changed hands and is now an Avani Hotel it is no longer girl friendly. Some have pointed out that a guest may be able to bring back a girl free and clear to the Avani through the Beach Road garden entrance, but I would not rely on this especially if you are booked in the main building. I do know, straight from the manager's email, that unregistered girls are not allowed in the pool or restaurant areas, so to hell with Avani.

This small correction aside: I agree with all the other advice in your post.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2339069]I think you missed the salient point. Pattaya soapies are just not that good, and are rarely if ever mentioned positively on this forum.
[/QUOTE]Right. If you want a soapy experience go to BKK. I recommend La Belle and Maria Hotel & Spa for quality girls and quality sessions. The difference from what you will find in a Pattaya soapy is night and day. But these two BKK bordellos are expensive. Prices range from 3800 baht to 10,000 baht per session depending on a girl's classification, but they do have stunners on site. Welcome to the big leagues.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2339076]The Hilton is girl friendly. No joiner fee. The Intercontinental & Holiday Inn are girl friendly too. The Marriott when it WAS the Marriott was girl friendly as well, but since it changed hands and is now an Avani Hotel it is no longer girl friendly. Some have pointed out that a guest may be able to bring back a girl free and clear to the Avani through the Beach Road garden entrance, but I would not rely on this especially if you are booked in the main building. I do know, straight from the manager's email, that unregistered girls are not allowed in the pool or restaurant areas, so to hell with Avani.

This small correction aside: I agree with all the other advice in your post.[/QUOTE]Another small correction Natty. The Marriott didn't change hands, its a rebrand to one of Bill Heinecke's Mint's (PLC) in house hotel brands, the other being Anantara. Must be targeting the family segment which Pattaya is reportedly trying to attract. Would be interesting to know whether it's working or not.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2338763]Brothers,

I am traveling to Pattaya in the beginning of August. I would like to get some recommendations for joiner friendly hotels. I am traveling with my friend and we are confused about booking 2 separate rooms vs. 1. Please advise. We are looking for a 4* or 3* near beach road, nothing super expensive.

Also, if any brother can share contacts for Pattaya, I would be glad. PM is active.

Thanks.

Mcfuck.[/QUOTE]Highly recommend you look into AirBnB. Just got back from an amazing trip. Stayed at a beautiful very luxurious private villa with private pool for less than $70 USD/bedroom/night. We could have had a dozen buck naked girls cavorting in the pool and nobody would’ve known or cared.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2339196]Highly recommend you look into AirBnB. Just got back from an amazing trip. Stayed at a beautiful very luxurious private villa with private pool [/QUOTE]Where is the villa located? Because the OP asked for hotel near beach road, for what I know there are no villas near beach road. Usually you can find villas with private swimming pool in Cozy Beach, Pratamnak or behind 3rd Road.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2338763] We are looking for a 4* or 3* near beach road, nothing super expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2338888]Why spend a a thousand dollars (or more) to go to Pattaya and not have a soapie?? This an unique experience that very few men in the world can enjoy. Enjoy every moment of your life and do not be a cheap prick![/QUOTE]The implication was that the guy had a limited ability to monger as he was traveling with his family. If you can only monger for one afternoon, he would likely have a far better time on Soi 6 spent with multiple ladies in a wild and crazy setting than in the cold, clinical setting of a soapie with a single, probably mature woman. Of course, if one has the time, by all mean visit a soapie! I do it once every 3 to 4 visits, but if I only had a single or couple of free afternoons, I would be on Soi 6 going upstairs with two to three times as many woman! That said, if the OP really wants to visit a soapie, then by all means go! He just needs to understand that a Pattaya soapie is not at all like those in the Japanese porn videos with the cutie slipping and sliding on top of you while riding your Johnson. You will spend more time waiting on the tub to fill and then on her cleaning the area than you will spend with her sliding on your body.

I hope the OP gives us a report of what he does and how things went.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2339221]Where is the villa located? Because the OP asked for hotel near beach road, for what I know there are no villas near beach road. Usually you can find villas with private swimming pool in Cozy Beach, Pratamnak or behind 3rd Road.[/QUOTE]Nothing in Pattaya is terribly far by taxi or those converted pickup truck "taxi buses.”

We were near Jomtien Beach, 15 minutes walk from Beach Road down there, 15-20 minutes taxi from Walking Street.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2339409]The implication was that the guy had a limited ability to monger as he was traveling with his family. [/QUOTE]One thing not brought up on ISG is having a wife or GF waiting for you at home after you hobby makes a huge difference to where you hobby at certain times. I could never sneak out to a top gogo bar or most beer bars without telling my GF I was going out with friends first. Why? Because I would come home smelling like an ashtray. Soi 6 early in the day may be ok at some bars. Some LK Metro gogo bars and G Clubs may be ok. The one place that DOES NOT allow smoking are the massage places, both soapies and oilies. So my advice to the married OP is to hit a massage place unless he has a shirt he can dispose of or wash and also shower before heading home.

My life will be much better once they ban smoking in public places, which should be soon. For those who aren't aware, a new law just passed that you are no longer allowed to smoke at HOME! Go figure.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339430]I could never sneak out to a top gogo bar or most beer bars without telling my GF I was going out with friends first. Why? Because I would come home smelling like an ashtray. Soi 6 early in the day may be ok at some bars. Some LK Metro gogo bars and G Clubs may be ok. The one place that DOES NOT allow smoking are the massage places, both soapies and oilies. So my advice to the married OP is to hit a massage place unless he has a shirt he can dispose of or wash and also shower before heading home.[/QUOTE]I see we have some non-cheating guys in the room. How is he supposed to go back smelling fresh and like a different soap than him and his wife are using? He was supposedly out in the scorching heat with sweat dripping from his ballsack, yet he arrives back smelling as fresh as a summer breeze. I would always bathe in my car exhaust before going into the house back in the day.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339430]So my advice to the married OP is to hit a massage place unless he has a shirt he can dispose of or wash and also shower before heading home.[/QUOTE]That damn smoke doesn't just stink up my shirt, it stinks up all of my clothes and my hair as well. If I don't wash my hair, that smoke smell will still linger.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339430]

My life will be much better once they ban smoking in public places, which should be soon. For those who aren't aware, a new law just passed that you are no longer allowed to smoke at HOME! Go figure.[/QUOTE]I hope there is not an exception for bars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2339439]I see we have some non-cheating guys in the room. How is he supposed to go back smelling fresh and like a different soap than him and his wife are using? He was supposedly out in the scorching heat with sweat dripping from his ballsack, yet he arrives back smelling as fresh as a summer breeze. I would always bathe in my car exhaust before going into the house back in the day.[/QUOTE]Haha.

In a soapie, he will come out smelling nice. He can walk for a while in the heat and hope his sweat will erase the smell. Maybe he can go get an oil massage. Or simply go to Soi 6 and shower only with water, no soap, then jog back to the hotel in the heat, then when he arrives, run to shower to "cool down from the heat".

My new Soi 6 girl friend, Secret, told me one of bars was raided for under 18 prostitution. The girls along the street are scared and worried about what will happen. Before, the police shut down the upstairs rooms for a few weeks. Is the same likely to happen? Something worse? I hope that idiot manager doesn't manage to ruin things on Soi 6, and I hope he rots in prison while contemplating what he and his accomplices were doing. At least I have two months before I am returning for things to, hopefully, get back to normal.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2339460]My new Soi 6 girl friend, Secret, told me one of bars was raided for under 18 prostitution. The girls along the street are scared and worried about what will happen. Before, the police shut down the upstairs rooms for a few weeks. Is the same likely to happen? Something worse? I hope that idiot manager doesn't manage to ruin things on Soi 6, and I hope he rots in prison while contemplating what he and his accomplices were doing. At least I have two months before I am returning for things to, hopefully, get back to normal.[/QUOTE]The bar is Coming Bar [URL]https://www.facebook.com/laanews/posts/1357432044417907[/URL].

Same problem for the Miss B-Heaven in December 2018 [URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/soi-6-bar-owner-faces-trafficking-charges-underage-girls-236716[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2339464]The bar is Coming Bar [URL]https://www.facebook.com/laanews/posts/1357432044417907[/URL].[/QUOTE]I believe that Coming Bar is one of the Chinese owned bars.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2339460]My new Soi 6 girl friend, Secret, told me one of bars was raided for under 18 prostitution. The girls along the street are scared and worried about what will happen. Before, the police shut down the upstairs rooms for a few weeks. Is the same likely to happen? Something worse? I hope that idiot manager doesn't manage to ruin things on Soi 6, and I hope he rots in prison while contemplating what he and his accomplices were doing. At least I have two months before I am returning for things to, hopefully, get back to normal.[/QUOTE]Following is what she told me yesterday. It gives a glimpse into a Soi 6 bar girl's life. We men look at Pattaya as a place to play. The girls view it somewhat differently.

This is what she told me via Line:

"Today, the police suppression filter has been enacted in Soi 6. He has 9 women under the age of 18. " (She obviously used a translation ap!

"Pattaya is a scary city, I think".

I mentioned I never feel in danger, but I could understand it could be scary for women out alone".

"But for me it's a scary city".

"I will be patient. I get the money I need. I'll go from here as soon as possible".

"I'm watching the news. It's very serious".

"I hope I can earn money as soon as possible".

I said stuff like under 18 prostitution could shut Soi 6 down.

"Yes".

"I am tired of my work".

"I have to be patient ".

I said it was "terrible".

"Yes".

"Discouraged".

"Fatigue".

"I want to hug you and cry".

"I want you to be with me now".

Note that she is in Pattaya to make a certain amount of money, then she will leave. She hates her work (though she is good at it) and hate having sex, but the more men she can screw the faster she can get the hell out of there. This raid, she fears, will slow done her work and require her to stay longer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339517]I believe that Coming Bar is one of the Chinese owned bars.[/QUOTE]"INN reported that the bar is owned by a consortium comprising Taiwanese, Chinese and Thai nationals. "

FL, sounds like Secret may be giving you hints that she wants you to TAKE CARE of her. She is being coy not saying it directly. Some less experienced guys or guys who love a girl would offer up the money she needs so she can go home. Little do these guys know that she will not go home but just go work in a different bar / city.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2339759]FL, sounds like Secret may be giving you hints that she wants you to TAKE CARE of her. She is being coy not saying it directly. Some less experienced guys or guys who love a girl would offer up the money she needs so she can go home. Little do these guys know that she will not go home but just go work in a different bar / city.[/QUOTE]She has yet to ask me for a penny or to even hint around that she would like money from me. But it is still too soon to tell for certain what her real intentions are. I texted another girl I am close with on Soi 6 but she was home. We talked about some evil people who poisoned her two dogs, just so they could steal her chickens and pigs without the dogs stopping them! She was heartbroken and no, she did not ask for money to buy two puppies. There are decent, honorable bar girls out there! But yes, a guy needs to be careful!

But Secret did just tell me that her bar is open and the upstairs is open, but said "But looks like Soi 6 is unusually quiet". So, dudes are staying away for a while, probably waiting to see what happens. The girls are all hoping that things will quickly get back to normal.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2339791]but said "But looks like Soi 6 is unusually quiet". So, dudes are staying away for a while, probably waiting to see what happens.[/QUOTE]I think dudes stay away due to the shitty exchange rate for all the currencies and not come in Pattaya at all, last week soi 6 was very quiet also.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2339802]I think dudes stay away due to the shitty exchange rate for all the currencies and not come in Pattaya at all, last week soi 6 was very quiet also.[/QUOTE]Anybody there next week? I'm flying in in a few days and am looking for a drinking buddy to hit a few gogo's / soi 6&7&8.

I was there last March and April for 6 weeks, have a regular girl on soi 6 who I might be taking to koh samet for a few days But otherwise up for Some drinks and pool. Slightly crazy please, Just don't feed me tequila until 0600 in the morning.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2338888]Why spend a a thousand dollars (or more) to go to Pattaya and not have a soapie?? This an unique experience that very few men in the world can enjoy. Enjoy every moment of your life and do not be a cheap prick![/QUOTE]Because they're not good. Has nothing to do with being cheap and everything to do with time wasted when the guy is with his family and looking for a short getaway. Do that in Bangkok if you want the soapy experience. Pattaya is great for Soi 6, LK Metro area, and has walking street. Some FLs on beach road if you like to stroll and willing to search.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2340139]Because they're not good. Has nothing to do with being cheap and everything to do with time wasted when the guy is with his family and looking for a short getaway. Do that in Bangkok if you want the soapy experience. Pattaya is great for Soi 6, LK Metro area, and has walking street. Some FLs on beach road if you like to stroll and willing to search.[/QUOTE]Agree with most points, except the fact that almost anything in the world will be better than the FLs on Beach Road.

That said, while as a general rule the soapies in PYX suck, its always YMMV. Rasputin is known to have a very decent collection. The soapies on 2nd road near Big see (Sabai House, Sabai Dee, etc) can be a hit and miss. Honey is a popular hangout with tourists.

So I would not knock them completely, specially for a first time visitor. Look at this from the lens of a first timer. Well, the guy asking questions says he was in PYX 8 years ago. That makes him pretty much a first timer. Would you not want to experience at least one soapy in PYX, especially when you don't know if you will even be back or head to BKK in the future?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2340237]Agree with most points, except the fact that almost anything in the world will be better than the FLs on Beach Road.

That said, while as a general rule the soapies in PYX suck, its always YMMV. Rasputin is known to have a very decent collection. The soapies on 2nd road near Big see (Sabai House, Sabai Dee, etc) can be a hit and miss. Honey is a popular hangout with tourists.

So I would not knock them completely, specially for a first time visitor. Look at this from the lens of a first timer. Well, the guy asking questions says he was in PYX 8 years ago. That makes him pretty much a first timer. Would you not want to experience at least one soapy in PYX, especially when you don't know if you will even be back or head to BKK in the future?[/QUOTE]Not when there are other options that are better value in terms of money and experience. If you're the type to settle for subpar just for the sake of checking off a box, then that is one approach though not one I'd take. Most likely, he'd have far more fun in his limited time on Soi 6 where he can find someone who can really take care of him. Soi Chaiyapoon is another option with plenty there. Heck, if he's willing to risk using his phone, he can seek out Valentina and Noi. A+, great BJ, it's all there. Eye candy, not so much, but he won't really find that at a soapy either. Looking at this from the lens of someone who is with family, on limited time, and trying to maximize fun; not as someone who has unlimited time to try out various things.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2339684]"INN reported that the bar is owned by a consortium comprising Taiwanese, Chinese and Thai nationals. "[/QUOTE]I find it interesting the tourist police participated in the raids. I wonder if they did anything with the customers that were in the bar.

[QUOTE=Allover;2340752]I find it interesting the tourist police participated in the raids. I wonder if they did anything with the customers that were in the bar.[/QUOTE]It is a place that foreigners frequent. Tourist police act as a liason between the tourists and the real police who may not speak English or other foreign languages as well.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2340334]Not when there are other options that are better value in terms of money and experience. If you're the type to settle for subpar just for the sake of checking off a box, then that is one approach though not one I'd take. [/QUOTE]And unless you try it you will never know. You are speaking from the lens of your own experience possibly, and that is fine. As I said, YMMV.

He could go to a soapy, find a stunner who pushes all his buttons and that could make him 10 x happier than any Soi 6 girl. Sure, if price is a key factor in decision making, you are better off with BR, Soi 6 and Soi Pothole.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2340970]And unless you try it you will never know. You are speaking from the lens of your own experience possibly, and that is fine. As I said, YMMV.

He could go to a soapy, find a stunner who pushes all his buttons and that could make him 10 x happier than any Soi 6 girl. Sure, if price is a key factor in decision making, you are better off with BR, Soi 6 and Soi Pothole.[/QUOTE]There was no need to omit the last part of my reply that you quoted. You said that, in general, Pattaya soapies suck. Why are you defending it now? It's silly to suggest something that sucks based on a possible good experience that may or may not happen while hiding behind the guise of YMMV. That doesn't inspire confidence to those looking for a suggestion. Then again, it may be you who I had an exchange with before where you're argument was also based on some small chance something might happen. LOL.

Anyways, whoever was looking for the suggestion was very vague other than to say he had some away from his wife. Probably be best to maximize that time and do something that is more likely to be a success than not. Otherwise the suggestion is no good.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2341031]There was no need to omit the last part of my reply that you quoted. [/QUOTE]I think its a free world and I can choose what I include or omit. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2341031]It's silly to suggest something that sucks based on a possible good experience that may or may not happen while hiding behind the guise of YMMV. [/QUOTE]I think you have trouble understanding the concept of YMMV. I can tell you that I have had good experiences at soapies in Pattaya. You might have not had the same good experience. That is exactly what YMMV means. Get it?

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2341031]Anyways, whoever was looking for the suggestion was very vague other than to say he had some away from his wife. Probably be best to maximize that time and do something that is more likely to be a success than not. Otherwise the suggestion is no good.[/QUOTE]I am actually glad you mentioned this. There is probably no better path to a successful fuck than a soapy. You might be God's gift to Thais and never been refused by a girl, but there are plenty of reports of guys being turned down by girls at Soi 6, Beer Bars, Gogo Bars, etc. Never heard that happen in a soapy.

Anyways, I am done here. I hope the guy who asked the question in the first place reports back on what he did finally.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341189]plenty of reports of guys being turned down by girls at Soi 6, Beer Bars, Gogo Bars, etc. Never heard that happen in a soapy.[/QUOTE]Girls are not allowed to turn down any customer in a soapie. IIRC they must pay back the soapie for the soapies share of loss revenue if they do.

I find it amusing when guys bash a place like gogo bars or other more expensive venues the true underlying factor comes down to money.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2340139]Because they're not good... Do that in Bangkok if you want the soapy experience. Pattaya is great for Soi 6, LK Metro area, and has walking street. Some FLs on beach road if you like to stroll and willing to search.[/QUOTE]Pattaya soapies are not good? Maybe not good for you but please don't generalize. I for one like the soapies in Pattaya, and I go at least once on every visit (20+ visits so far).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2341265]I find it amusing when guys bash a place like gogo bars or other more expensive venues the true underlying factor comes down to money.[/QUOTE]At least that is my case. Pussy is just not worth that much to me. I would never spend $100 for a hooker. There is a place in Brazil called 4x4 that I used to go to all the time. Back then I could get 2 chicks for $75 for 40 min. These days it will run you $100 for 1 chick.

For me that is a no when there are so many cheaper hookers and non-pros around that are just as good. Besides, I have fucked plenty of gogo chicks before on their days off or after they have gotten off work for way less, so there is no mystique or anything that is telling me I am missing out on something if I do not get a gogo chick. It is just another piece or pussy.

Guys,

I will be visiting Pattaya in a week.

Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).

Can you guys name few of them?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2341280]Pattaya soapies are not good? Maybe not good for you but please don't generalize. I for one like the soapies in Pattaya, and I go at least once on every visit (20+ visits so far).[/QUOTE]And that is absolutely fine. Different strokes for different folks. But I'm replying to a guy who also says soapies suck.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2341189]I think its a free world and I can choose what I include or omit. Deal with it.

I think you have trouble understanding the concept of YMMV. I can tell you that I have had good experiences at soapies in Pattaya. You might have not had the same good experience. That is exactly what YMMV means. Get it?

I am actually glad you mentioned this. There is probably no better path to a successful fuck than a soapy. You might be God's gift to Thais and never been refused by a girl, but there are plenty of reports of guys being turned down by girls at Soi 6, Beer Bars, Gogo Bars, etc. Never heard that happen in a soapy.

Anyways, I am done here. I hope the guy who asked the question in the first place reports back on what he did finally.[/QUOTE]Don't be mad. Remember, you're the guy who said. In general, soapies suck. But hey, successful fuck means a good fuck for someone like you? Crazy.

Of the places I've been around the world, maybe next to Berlin, I've had my best experience in Pattaya. I'm generally bad at remembering names of clubs, but here are two I remember well.

1) Windmill: I had heard this was the best place, but I walked into a few other places before heading to the Windmill. I think I made the right decision passing on the others. The Windmill is a little hard to find at the end of an alley, but it was well worth it. I missed out on a few cuties who we already taken, but there was a slightly older girl (she looked 28, but said she was 32) that caught my eye. She tried to talk me into bringing her much older friend, but I passed on that and went just with my choice. We went to the bar's hotel across the street and got undressed to shower. She propped up her leg and started touching herself while giving me the best "fuck me" look I have ever seen (seriously, it was incredible). She then started kissing me and massaging me into a raging hard on. I almost took her right there in the shower, but we dried off and went to the bed. She gave me BBBJ and then I rolled her over and licked her. I normally don't do that with girl I pay because I don't like the idea of licking a girl that may have been with someone else an hour earlier, but I just wanted her. She was very responsive. We then had sex in a few positions and I came down her throat and she eagerly swallowed all my cum. She then kept kissing me and acting otherwise aroused, so it was a great experience. Once we were done, she was a little quick to get out of there, but I have the feeling I could have taken her again if I was up for it. She's one my top 3 ever, and maybe the top one if I just look at passion.

2) Club 4 blowjob bar. This was a little out of the downtown, but only a 15 minute walk from my hotel. I didn't actually stay at the Club 4 because I didn't see any girl that I liked, but there are 3-4 places right next to it and I went into one of those. I was going to just get a blowjob, but the girl was so good at the BBBJ that I decided to have sex with her. Took her right there in the cubicle rather than going to a room upstairs. She kept talking dirty to me and we did a few positions before I pulled out and came in her mouth. She did this great thing where she kept massaging me after I came, milking every drop and then putting me back in her mouth to swallow the extra bits. The cost for this was only about $50 US. After we went up front to pay, she kept looking at me and licking her lips and saying she could taste my cum on her lips. I think she wanted me to go for round two, but I didn't. I regret that a bit, but was saving my money for another evening.

I don't know if I'll ever get back to Pattaya because it's not really a vacation land and it's a bit out of the way, but I hope I get back there.

There are tons of hotels in pattaya for that price range. Just get on trip advisor or similar and look for the area you want. I like nakula area, but others like other places.

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]Guys,

I will be visiting Pattaya in a week.

Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).

Can you guys name few of them?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]
Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).[/QUOTE]Look for the thread 'Pattaya Hotels' in this forum.

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]
Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).
Can you guys name few of them?
[/QUOTE]Maybe look in Soi Honey. Arya Inn, New Star, The Scenery.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2341672]I didn't actually stay at the Club 4 because I didn't see any girl that I liked, but there are 3-4 places right next to it and I went into one of those[/QUOTE]Jclub, 007, CB? Do you remember which one?

I am posting after a long gap, after reading some posts on FLs on Pattaya Beach road.

I have had an unexpected incident 2 days back and I thought it's worth sharing.

Before that, let me tell you that I am from Singapore, although I am of Indian origin. But I would appreciate it if you don't stereotype me with the negatives you associate with most Indians.

As for mongering, I have been around a fair bit and have been traveling to Thailand for last 18 years. I must have visited Pattaya some 6-7 times, the last one being 2 yrs back. I have tried bar fine, massage, disco as well as some street FLs and I don't have any negative experience to remember for long, till 2 days back of course.

I have been checking out some stores on beach road and decided to take a break and sit down on a ledge to have a smoke, when this FL walked past me and our eyes met. She stopped about 3 metres away and smiled as I smiled back. Then she took out her small mirror and adjusted her makeup, applied lipstick and licked her lips a few times, all the time smiling at me and I played along. Then we had a brief chat and she offered short time for THB 1,000. I recall asking her if there was anything she doesn't do and she said she was fine with everything.

She was a decent looker, in her early 30's I would think, and considering the fact that I had paid THB 6,000 the night before in lady drinks and brafine+lady fee for a girl from Sapphire, I felt this was a divine gift to balance my mongering budgets. It was 11:30 pm.

We took a Baht tuktuk for THB 10 each and I paid as we dropped off a few metres from my hotel, Mike hotel, not far from Walking Street. The ride was about 5 minutes anyway.

As we walked towards the hotel, she held my arm and I held her by her waist and all seemed fine. Just before the hotel, I asked her again if she did everything just to be sure. She said she can do everything with a condom. That is when I suggested that I preferred a BBBJ, but I am strict on using condoms for 'boom boom'.

She said she didn't want to go as she doesn't do BBBJ. I asked her 'so you don't want to go?' and she said 'No'.

So I said 'okay' and she said 'Give me TBH 1,000'.

I told her 'for what?' and she answered 'I come with you, waste time'. I said 'I get it, but I asked you before and you said all good, I paid for the tuktuk and if you want, I can take you back where I picked you from'.

She started to shout in Thai and while I couldn't understand all, I could hear the word 'Condom' and I was sure that she was telling everyone that I didn't want to use condom and that is why she didn't want to go. And she was telling me 'You pay my money'.

People around were looking helplessly but of course, no one cared much.

I started to think if I should just give her THB 1,000 and get rid of her since she was creating a real scene out there. And that's when she struck at me, a full punch with her right fist! Luckily she was a couple of feet away and I managed to avoid the blow which landed on my arms instead of my face. But she really started throwing blow after blow, with fists and nails and since I managed to block most of them, she started kicking at me with her heeled shoes. Now this one was tougher to dodge or block although I averted some.

But once she got physical, I didn't entertain the idea of paying her anymore. Not sure if I did the right thing. I still tried to talk reason and was very careful not to hit back at her. I know, the moment I hot back at her, I would be guilty. And besides, hitting at a woman is not something I subscribe to.

She was relentless. I had already taken a few nasty blows, avoided several more. And she wasn't giving up. That's when I decided to climb up the stairs of Mike Hotel, we were having this brawl just at the entrance. She chased me up the stairs and I used all my defensive mechanism to avert her kicks. Then the hotel staff came in and I managed to slip past the glass door into the lobby. She kept shouting and the two hotel ladies listened to her and then warned her not to create a mess there or they would be forced to call the police. They didn't get to hear my part of the story yet, but they were diligent enough to tell her that if the police came, she would be in trouble as she had been hitting me and everyone saw that. After another 10 minutes of shouting, she finally left. All this while, I didn't leave the scene, I sat inside the lobby, out of her vision but within the reach of her voice.

The hotel staff came back (two ladies) and sat me down, listened to my story and warned me against going out to beach road that night, due to the concern of her possible retaliation. They also warned me against picking a lady from the streets.

They suggested I lodge a complaint with the Police, just to be safe, but since I had no details of the lady, I thought there was no point in inviting trouble.

These two ladies then brought in their first aid kit and applied antiseptic and some Batidine on my wounds. I had 11 scratches on two arms, 6 of them bleeding and two open wounds on my right shin, from her heeled kicks. But I was more disturbed mentally as during my 18 yrs of mongering, this is something that I have never encountered. I had had a few poor sessions sure, but never had any encounter turned violent. Not in Thailand, not in anywhere in the world.

I woke up next day also with a painfully swollen thigh, something which I didn't realize the night before. Must be one of her kicks which didn't leave any visible scar.

Sorry for boring you with these gory details. I do believe that this is a one off incident, but it did shake me hard. All my mongering life, I had wondered how people got into fights with women, and suddenly I was suddenly at the receiving end of it myself.

Is there something I could or should have done to handle this in a better way?

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2341542]Don't be mad. Remember, you're the guy who said. In general, soapies suck. But hey, successful fuck means a good fuck for someone like you? Crazy.[/QUOTE]I ain't mad. To clarify again, this is similar to saying you are in general a knucklehead but once in a while even you might have an insightful point to offer.

[QUOTE=DasMaster;2341896]Is there something I could or should have done to handle this in a better way?[/QUOTE]The answer is simple: don't take girls from beach road. Some of them might be nice but most are shit minded.

[QUOTE=OpenSource;2341820]Jclub, 007, CB? Do you remember which one?[/QUOTE]I believe it was the one right next to Club 4. I don't recall the name. I'm not even sure if I noticed the name. I just saw a few cute girls sitting outside and decided to enter. There was a bar on the left and then on the right towards the back were a few curtained areas. The stairs to the upstairs area were on the back left. Hope that helps. The girl was probably a 7/8, but the service was a 9/10.

Dear Gents,

I just returned from Pattaya and want to warn you about a woman there. Her name is [blue][Personal Name deleted by Admin][/blue], but she calls herself Apple. We met online, I think thaifriendly, and chatted a little. She's attractive, and we arranged to meet. I asked her how much she wanted but she told me she liked me and wants boyfriend. We had some decent banter and I'm an OK-looking guy under 40, so perhaps foolishly I took her at her word and she stayed with me for the duration of my holiday. Unfortunately on my final day (she knew I was leaving) I popped out of my hotel and returned to find that she had vanished with cash and valuables. I had locked them in a secure drawer and hidden the key elsewhere but she had obviously been playing the long game and worked everything out.

I was literally flying out in a matter of hours and I don't know anyone in Thailand so there wasn't a lot I could do to go to police or track her down. I just want to warn people if you see her around. She is good-looking, fun, and speaks English pretty well but don't be fooled.

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Hi Dasmaster.

You may have been the attempt of a scam or you may have been a victim of not being specific to what you expect from a girl.

" I recall asking her if there was anything she doesn't do and she said she was fine with everything. ".

If I want BBBJ I tell them that's what I want and if they say no 1/ you do not go or 2/ you have a covered BJ. Do not be embarrassed by discussing what you truly expect as these girls have heard it all and do not assume that all Thai working girls will do BBBJ, anal, CIM etc.

Just my view on the situation.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2341933]The answer is simple: don't take girls from beach road. Some of them might be nice but most are shit minded.[/QUOTE]Where do you get this stuff from? It may be time to look at the man in the mirror. Of the tons of chicks that I have gotten from Beach Road over the years, the only one that fits that bill was an Eastern European chick that I took home and she thought I was going to pay before the deed. She was last seen walking away from my building in the rain with no money.

[QUOTE=DasMaster;2341896]As we walked towards the hotel, she held my arm and I held her by her waist and all seemed fine. Just before the hotel, I asked her again if she did everything just to be sure. She said she can do everything with a condom. That is when I suggested that I preferred a BBBJ, but I am strict on using condoms for 'boom boom'.

She said she didn't want to go as she doesn't do BBBJ. I asked her 'so you don't want to go?' and she said 'No'.[/QUOTE]At this point I would have just walked away. Why did you even stay to entertain the rest of what happened? I always laugh when guys are trying to publicly reason with their wives, girlfriends, hookers, or whoever. My motto is, "Bye Biotch. "

I am with Rob. If you want something specific then make it clearly known from the start. Practice by walking up to random chicks on Soi 6 asking if you can fuck their ass. As with anything, it gets easier with practice.

I would also say that from your description of the initial encounter that this chick chose you, you did not choose her. Be careful with that. A guy a few months back posted about chicks that he did not initially like, but they kept choosing him and he would give in to taking them. Every encounter turned out to be some bullshit. If a chick is choosing you then it may be because she thinks you will be an easy mark, as was with the case of you saying maybe I should give her the money to make her go away. Why, when you could have just gone away yourself and left that broad standing there looking crazy?

Also, I would not let a chick that I didn't know get up on me like that with her holding my arm and me holding her waist. Perfect setup for a pickpocket. Keep those hoes at arm's length when out in the public.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2342086]Of the tons of chicks that I have gotten from Beach Road over the years, the only one that fits that bill was an Eastern European chick that I took home and she thought I was going to pay before the deed. She was last seen walking away from my building in the rain with no money.[/QUOTE]Damn I just love this story.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2341933]The answer is simple: don't take girls from beach road. Some of them might be nice but most are shit minded.[/QUOTE]I think it's the other way around: most of them are nice but some of them are shit minded. I have taken dozens of girls from BR for about ten years in a row and even though I've had my share of problems with them it never ended up in a fight. Only one time it was close but I managed to stay calm, so it didn't escalate.

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 to $32 per night.[/QUOTE]At current exchange rates, that's 760 to 973 baht per night. Even in low season, that's not very much for Pattaya lodging. I recommend using your favorite hotel search engine and looking for a guesthouse east of Soi Buakaow, and along Soi Buakaow itself, in the central part of town. You can probably find a guesthouse on Soi Lengkee or Soi Chaiyapoon, east of Soi Buakaow and west of Third Road. There are also some cheap guesthouses on either side of Soi Buakaow, south of Soi Lengkee going all the way down to where that soi dead-ends into South Pattaya Road -- not far from the legendary Tukcom shopping area.

Two tips: If you don't know Pattaya geography, Google "Groovy Map" and buy an old-fashioned map. It's got just the right amount of detail for the casual visitor. Also, this inquiry belongs in the Pattaya HOTEL forum.

Bunky.

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]Guys,

I will be visiting Pattaya in a week.

Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).

Can you guys name few of them?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Have a look at this, I can recommend it. There is one thing that sucks, there is no elevator. Ask for room in second floor. On the first floor there is a restaurant in front of your door and the rooms are small. Sometimes maybe two times a week there is a market in front of the hotel, a little bit noisy. Soi Buakhao area.

[URL]https://www.sanyapattaya.com/[/URL]

They have a second Hotel very close to walking street, but I've never booked that hotel.

[URL]https://www.sanya-apartments.com/nshome[/URL]

Both hotels are ok for your budget, close to the action and close to the public transport routes.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2342739]Have a look at this, I can recommend it. There is one thing that sucks, there is no elevator. Ask for room in second floor. On the first floor there is a restaurant in front of your door and the rooms are small. Sometimes maybe two times a week there is a market in front of the hotel, a little bit noisy. Soi Buakhao area.

[URL]https://www.sanyapattaya.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]That was the last place that I used to stay before I finally got my place 9 years ago. It was decent. Thai lady and her Belgian husband owned it. Only thing I did not like is that they have the air con in the living room then there is a sliding glass door that separates it from the bedroom/kitchen. The bed is really in the kitchen. Would be better if they switched the furniture from one room to the other.

[QUOTE=DasMaster;2341896]I am posting after a long gap, after reading some posts on FLs on Pattaya Beach road.

I have had an unexpected incident 2 days back and I thought it's worth sharing.

Before that, let me tell you that I am from Singapore, although I am of Indian origin. But I would appreciate it if you don't stereotype me with the negatives you associate with most Indians.

As for mongering, I have been around a fair bit and have been traveling to Thailand for last 18 years. I must have visited Pattaya some 6-7 times, the last one being 2 yrs back. I have tried bar fine, massage, disco as well as some street FLs and I don't have any negative experience to remember for long, till 2 days back of course.

I have been checking out some stores on beach road and decided to take a break and sit down on a ledge to have a smoke, when this FL walked past me and our eyes met. She stopped about 3 metres away and smiled as I smiled back. Then she took out her small mirror and adjusted her makeup, applied lipstick and licked her lips a few times, all the time smiling at me and I played along. Then we had a brief chat and she offered short time for THB 1,000. I recall asking her if there was anything she doesn't do and she said she was fine with everything.

She was a decent looker, in her early 30's I would think, and considering the fact that I had paid THB 6,000 the night before in lady drinks and brafine+lady fee for a girl from Sapphire, I felt this was a divine gift to balance my mongering budgets. It was 11:30 pm.

We took a Baht tuktuk for THB 10 each and I paid as we dropped off a few metres from my hotel, Mike hotel, not far from Walking Street. The ride was about 5 minutes anyway..[/QUOTE]You have the right to fight back.

Thai Police give a fuck if you make self defense if attacked.

Is a story if you touch a hooker Police get in you.

A liar from the hooker.

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2343212]You have the right to fight back.

Thai Police give a fuck if you make self defense if attacked.

Is a story if you touch a hooker Police get in you.

A liar from the hooker.[/QUOTE]It is best to avoid any confrontation in any foreign country. Do not let pride cost you a hefty fine / bribe or time in a cell.

[QUOTE=PattayaPaul;2342074]I asked her how much she wanted but she told me she liked me and wants boyfriend. We had some decent banter and I'm an OK-looking guy under 40, so perhaps foolishly I took her at her word and she stayed with me for the duration of my holiday. [/QUOTE]When she realized you weren't going to give her a large donation for her time at the end of of your trip she took matters into her own hands and robbed you. Even if she wanted you to be her boyfriend at the beginning of your stay she must have decided she no longer wanted you as a boyfriend or was playing you from day 1.

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2343212]You have the right to fight back.[/QUOTE]I'm not one who gives in easily but I can't agree to fight back. If a girl is going bonkers to the point where she is actually hitting you it's not worth 1000 baht to fight her off. Worst case scenario is her pimp / boyfriend is nearby and you get a knife in your back or a high heel shoe stuck in your forehead. Lots of crazy mofos in Pattaya. 1000 baht is nothing for us. People have been killed in Thailand for less than 1 USD.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2342185]I think it's the other way around: most of them are nice but some of them are shit minded. I have taken dozens of girls from BR for about ten years in a row and even though I've had my share of problems with them it never ended up in a fight. Only one time it was close but I managed to stay calm, so it didn't escalate.[/QUOTE]The same here. After 20+ trips, I can conclude the same, most BR girls are nice. The little problems I've had over the years were all of my own doing.

Windmill raided and busted for prostitution.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2343627]Windmill raided and busted for prostitution..[/QUOTE]Give us a link or something man.

[URL]https://www.pattayaone.news/more-evidence-prostitution-found/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2343212]You have the right to fight back.[/QUOTE]I have heard about a fool and money being soon parted, but this advice might cause you to part with your life. It is probably better to play the fool and part with that 1000 baht.

I went to that Nuru massage place on Soi Lengkee as reported by Mr E a few months ago. Took the shortest time session available which was 45 minutes for 1500 baht (HJ and BJ included, no boom boom). Chose Mayya as the masseuse, a bit old but as I found out in the room had amazing hangers that were not obvious behind her kimono uniform when I selected her.

Shower first then onto the bed for the body slide massage with gel from Japan. First the back then the front. HJ finish for me as I declined the BJ due to health reasons. Overall the body to body massage seemed to last about 20 minutes. Shower off to finish.

Overall a good experience but it wasn't overly erotic, as it is mainly tits sliding all over your body rather than much cock and ball stimulation.

I think this place is called Yuwarit massage or something like that, but there is a big NURU sign on the road in front too. There are longer sessions available and you can also get two chicks at once. I will probably give this place another try again sometime as it was pretty fun.

[QUOTE=Gazua;2341416]Guys,

I will be visiting Pattaya in a week.

Looking for a budget friendly hotel around $25 $32 per night (without joiner charge).

Can you guys name few of them?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]You can try checkout Bangkok112 for some info.

[URL]https://bangkok112.com/pattaya-best-hotels-20-to-40-a-night/[/URL]

[QUOTE=DasMaster;2341896]These two ladies then brought in their first aid kit and applied antiseptic and some Batidine on my wounds. I had 11 scratches on two arms, 6 of them bleeding and two open wounds on my right shin, from her heeled kicks. But I was more disturbed mentally as during my 18 yrs of mongering, this is something that I have never encountered. I had had a few poor sessions sure, but never had any encounter turned violent. Not in Thailand, not in anywhere in the world.

I woke up next day also with a painfully swollen thigh, something which I didn't realize the night before. Must be one of her kicks which didn't leave any visible scar.

Is there something I could or should have done to handle this in a better way?[/QUOTE]Let's look at the bright side of this, at least you found out in the street that "she" was a "he" instead of when you got back to the room.

I would have tried to defuse the situation with a few hundred baht. Give her 200 baht and tell her to be on her way. For $7 USD, it might have just ended the conflict.

[QUOTE=Franga;2343978]I went to that Nuru massage place on Soi Lengkee as reported by Mr E a few months ago. Took the shortest time session available which was 45 minutes for 1500 baht (HJ and BJ included, no boom boom). Chose Mayya as the masseuse, a bit old but as I found out in the room had amazing hangers that were not obvious behind her kimono uniform when I selected her.

Shower first then onto the bed for the body slide massage with gel from Japan. First the back then the front. HJ finish for me as I declined the BJ due to health reasons. Overall the body to body massage seemed to last about 20 minutes. Shower off to finish.

Overall a good experience but it wasn't overly erotic, as it is mainly tits sliding all over your body rather than much cock and ball stimulation.

I think this place is called Yuwarit massage or something like that, but there is a big NURU sign on the road in front too. There are longer sessions available and you can also get two chicks at once. I will probably give this place another try again sometime as it was pretty fun.[/QUOTE]This is something I think I will try next trip. I have not been very happy with the soapies and find them mostly a waste of money, even though I indulge every second or third trip over. I once commented they are nothing like the JAV videos featuring a hot, young asian girl slipping and sliding over you while having sex. This Nuru thing sounds closer to the JAV version and is something I will try to explore next time. Was boom boom not available at all or was it this one woman wouldn't do it? I realize it will not be anything like the JAV version, but maybe it can adequately substitute for the dismal soapies.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2343627]Windmill raided and busted for prostitution.[/QUOTE]I contacted one the workers from Windmill I met last year (thanks MP). She is a hardcore pro but has also turned out to be a bit of a sweetie once she realized I am actually a nice guy. I don't remember what name I used in my report, but she is fine and has plans to leave Pattaya to go to Bangkok. Will see what happens.

Not sure that I was ever going to see her professionally again. She looks hot but has crossed the big 30 in her life and has some hellish stomach scars she kept covered in the bar, so her time in this business is coming to an end. But many of the girls in this business are sweeties if you treat them well and show some respect.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2344451] I once commented they are nothing like the JAV videos featuring a hot, young asian girl slipping and sliding over you while having sex. This Nuru thing sounds closer to the JAV version and is something I will try to explore next time. [/QUOTE]I'm not sure what the JAV version is supposed to be like but I assume you mean bodyslide to completion either with their tits, pussy, ass, stomach, feet, thigh or whichever body part you wanted? Even regular soapie girls all do this if you ask. I've had some soapie sessions where we don't even make it to the bed. The girls get horny and we just do it on the air mattress. Did you ask the regular soapies girls and they refused? Apologies if JAV style is something totally different.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2344490]I'm not sure what the JAV version is supposed to be like but I assume you mean bodyslide to completion either with their tits, pussy, ass, stomach, feet, thigh or whichever body part you wanted? Even regular soapie girls all do this if you ask. I've had some soapie sessions where we don't even make it to the bed. The girls get horny and we just do it on the air mattress. Did you ask the regular soapies girls and they refused? Apologies if JAV style is something totally different.[/QUOTE]I have never been offered FS during a soapie during the body slide phase, but as the "bed" is simply an air mattress that isn't quite big enough, and it is easy to slide off of and onto the cold ceramic tile of the shower floor, I am not sure I want to try. And the soapy solution is created by them agitating a bar of soap, and soap can be an irritant to one's urethra. Plus, you have to wait for the tub to fill to get the bath, then wait while you get cold while the clean the tub and get the air matteress and soapie solution prepared. In a JAV, they don't use a slippery air mattress on the cold floor, but a soft bed of some sort that is warm and will hold you in place as the girl slips and slides over you with a non-irritating gel. This technique is more accommodating to FS or even a HJ.

If I do a soapie again I will consider FS during the slide if I feel safe! But thus far, the whole waiting game on them cleaning the wet area before going to the bed for FS leaves me literally cold and any excitement from the slide dies. With this Nuru style, I hope there is no air mattress on the cold floor craziness, and that FS is available and you don't have to worry about sliding off onto the floor. I will be back to Pattaya in 6 weeks, so I will do some research and report back.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2344451]This Nuru thing sounds closer to the JAV version and is something I will try to explore next time. Was boom boom not available at all or was it this one woman wouldn't do it?[/QUOTE]I actually didn't ask if boom boom was available. But the chick I had got pretty stimulated during the body slide, and even more so when she was giving me the HJ as I was rubbing her ass and inner thigh at the same time with that very slippery gel. I would imagine that FS would be available for a 1000 baht tip, but I can't be sure about this.

As for the setup. The room is just like a small hotel room. It is very clean. There is a double bed which is protected by a sheet of plastic. On top of the plastic is a white bedsheet, and there is a pillow. The gel is very warm when she applies it to your body and is very slippery. Afterwards the chick removes the bedsheet and replaces it with a new one for the next customer.

Hi all,

I am going to Pattaya trip in Aug 1st week.

Need some info please help me this is my first mongering trip:

Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok.

1. Is anyone tried Fetish / BDSM clubs, if so how was the experience how safe it is and any specific good places.

2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.

3. Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.

4. Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.

Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.

In Pattaya, staying at The Base in apartment. Very nice, no probs bringing anyone in with you.

Stopped a little 5 ft cutey kn the 2nd road yesterday who was on her way home ater looking spending a few hours looking for a job she said. Arranged to meet her in evening, ended up at the apartment for an hour, damage was 1 k baht. Repeated the next evening as she was a good fuck and was right I to it also.

Took a FL from BR for 1 k as well, not bad, attitude was fine.

Asked a couple of different girls on Soi 6 and was quoted 500 bar fine and 2 k for them, so passed on it.

Soi 8 girls were asking 300 or 500 bar fine and 1500 for them.

I'd like to ask the veteran Pattaya visitors who have been here in the last year. Is there anyway to deal directly with the bar girls here and avoid paying the bar fine. I'm finding it difficult to separate them, as it appears the bar owners have a firm hold on their behavior.

For the few mourning the loss of Cherry Restaurant on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee at least they used the space for a good purpose. Appears to be a Thai bar along the lines of my old go to favorite, Kiss Cool pub, which used to be a few doors down. Maybe someone can pop by after Soi Full Love Inn one evening.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2344649]For the few mourning the loss of Cherry Restaurant on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee at least they used the space for a good purpose. Appears to be a Thai bar along the lines of my old go to favorite, Kiss Cool pub, which used to be a few doors down. Maybe someone can pop by after Soi Full Love Inn one evening.[/QUOTE]The bunny is quite cute, BB. Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2344641]Is there anyway to deal directly with the bar girls here and avoid paying the bar fine. I'm finding it difficult to separate them, as it appears the bar owners have a firm hold on their behavior.[/QUOTE]Try to arrange for meeting her when the bar closes.

But this might bring up a few inconvenience, you'll have to wait around 1 pm (or later depending on the location of the bar) to pick her up, she will probably want a LT and charge the price accordingly (maybe 2500 baht), she might want you bring her to restaurant or a pub in walking street first, and she will probably be tired or drunk by the time you pick her up.

You 'll have to decide if it is worth it just to avoid the barfine.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344584]Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok.[/QUOTE]It's not safe. Take two or three buddies with you, be very cautious who you talk to and where you go.

Both places are dangerous.

[QUOTE]2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.[/QUOTE]Order a non alcoholic drink. (Costs more than 100 baht for a bottle of water that would cost 10 baht anywhere else).

[QUOTE]3. Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.[/QUOTE]1 shot. If you pay her a good price she might be nice and give you a second shot.

[QUOTE]4. Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.[/QUOTE]The post below yours talk about a Nuru place in Pattaya. For Bangkok search for Mitu Massage on soi 33 (3500 baht) or DokiDoki massage on soi 31.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2344641]I'd like to ask the veteran Pattaya visitors who have been here in the last year. Is there anyway to deal directly with the bar girls here and avoid paying the bar fine. I'm finding it difficult to separate them, as it appears the bar owners have a firm hold on their behavior.[/QUOTE]That is next to impossible and it's being very cheap. The bar owners want to keep the girls on site to draw the customers which is why you are compensating the bar for the absence. The girl will not leave without you paying a fine, they'd lose their job if they did. You could ask her what she is doing after work and wait until she finishes around 3 am.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2344758]Try to arrange for meeting her when the bar closes.

But this might bring up a few inconvenience, you'll have to wait around 1 pm (or later depending on the location of the bar) to pick her up, she will probably want a LT and charge the price accordingly (maybe 2500 baht), she might want you bring her to restaurant or a pub in walking street first, and she will probably be tired or drunk by the time you pick her up.

You 'll have to decide if it is worth it just to avoid the barfine.[/QUOTE]This is exactly my method. I have never given anyone even half of 2500 though. I pay 1000-1200 LT so it is well worth it for me to avoid the barfine, because I would be paying an inflated price for the girl along with it.

I have never had a chick want to go to a bar or Walking Street first. Besides, mostly they come on their own after work. Every blue moon I will go back to get them. Restaurant? These chicks eat street food. So they may get some on the way to my place if they are hungry.

The drawbacks as you stated are a chick may be too drunk to come or may get a customer to barfine her beforehand. That is why it is good to have a deep list to draw from. Don't just sit around waiting for 1 chick to show up.

Don't have those kind of problems on their day off though. They will always show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed if that is in the plan.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2344792]That is next to impossible and it's being very cheap.[/QUOTE]You say cheap like it is a bad thing. Are you trying to impress a chick that you are renting pussy from?

I don't see the pride in paying a higher amount than need be. I can go on ebay and pay $5 for an item or I can go to a brick and mortar store and pay $8 for the same item. What is there to be proud about by deciding to go the $3 more route?

People always want to look for a deal on an airplane ticket and a hotel, but don't you dare mention trying to get a deal on some pussy. I don't get it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2344813]This is exactly my method. I have never given anyone even half of 2500 though. I pay 1000-1200 LT so it is well worth it for me to avoid the barfine, because I would be paying an inflated price for the girl along with it.

I have never had a chick want to go to a bar or Walking Street first. Besides, mostly they come on their own after work. Every blue moon I will go back to get them. Restaurant? These chicks eat street food. So they may get some on the way to my place if they are hungry.

The drawbacks as you stated are a chick may be too drunk to come or may get a customer to barfine her beforehand. That is why it is good to have a deep list to draw from. Don't just sit around waiting for 1 chick to show up.

Don't have those kind of problems on their day off though. They will always show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed if that is in the plan.[/QUOTE]I know that you can get a lot better deals than what I said in my post. These were a few things that might happen depending on the experience of the monger.

I think I've read here some guys paying more than 2000 for LT for a soi 6 girl, so I wouldn't be surprised if they ask these prices to a newcomer, but as you said one can probably get it for a lot cheaper.

For the restaurant it's possible that she tries to milk a "soft" customer instead of taking the street food.

As you know some girls are working in Pattaya for weeks or months and did never put a foot on walking street, these are the ones that might ask to go there.

I even had girls asking me to pay their barfine only to take them for a trip to walking street.

I agree that anyone willing to wait that the bar closes to get a girl should have a long list of girls to contact in case she changes her mind because it's a risky game but then it's not easy to have these contacts for a guy that stays there only a short period of time.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344584]Hi all,

I am going to Pattaya trip in Aug 1st week.

Need some info please help me this is my first mongering trip:

Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok.

1. Is anyone tried Fetish / BDSM clubs, if so how was the experience how safe it is and any specific good places.

2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.

3. Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.

4. Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.

Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.[/QUOTE]Here we have a wonderful thing called the forum, you have found it and you know how to post. The most important thing to know about the forum is to read it and you will find all you need to know. You have 3 weeks until you hit Thailand and I suggest you spend 1 hour a day reading the forum. So in helping you with the do's and don'ts RTTF.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2344641]I'd like to ask the veteran Pattaya visitors who have been here in the last year. Is there anyway to deal directly with the bar girls here and avoid paying the bar fine. I'm finding it difficult to separate them, as it appears the bar owners have a firm hold on their behavior.[/QUOTE]Mr E makes some good points but the key difference is he is a resident (well, not exactly a tourist / visitor) in Pattaya and has built up a network over the years. If you had such a network then it would be easy to get the girl to visit you on her day off or after work easily for a very reasonable price.

But for a visitor, even a frequent one it might prove to be difficult. You are a one off customer who may or may not return. The bar is the girl's livelihood. Why would she double-cross the bar owner?

Further, the concept of bar fine is to compensate the bar for the absence of that girl, who, if not taken out by you, might have brought in more business. It is an established practice in the mongering world of SEA.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2344792]That is next to impossible and it's being very cheap. The bar owners want to keep the girls on site to draw the customers which is why you are compensating the bar for the absence. The girl will not leave without you paying a fine, they'd lose their job if they did. You could ask her what she is doing after work and wait until she finishes around 3 am.[/QUOTE]Yes next to impossible but possible? Not including GoGo bars but generally your outdoor bars even Soi 6 and Gentlemen clubs? These places, not all the girls working are on salary, in general, there are staff with some salary some freelancers. For example, the outside venue LK metro Billibong has salary and some freelancers. If you take a girl from this place the night you meet her although a freelancer you will pay a BF, thereafter if you are lucky and enjoy her and she is a freelancer you can make some arrangement?

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344584]Hi all,

I am going to Pattaya trip in Aug 1st week.

Need some info please help me this is my first mongering trip:

Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok.

1. Is anyone tried Fetish / BDSM clubs, if so how was the experience how safe it is and any specific good places.

2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.

3. Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.

4. Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.

Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.[/QUOTE]It is quite safe to visit Pataya alone; not so sure about Bangkok. In Pattaya, you will not be safe if you pick a fight with Thais, are rude to Thais, disrespect the country or the King or, importantly, decide to lean over railings on high floors of shopping malls while drunk and depressed.

The BDSM places are great and fun. Try Police headquarters on Beach Road or seek the knowledgeable advice of any member of the Tourist Police.

I don't drink alcohol either, but find that the bars and go gos will take my money just as fast for soft drinks, juices or water. No worries. You can stay on budget, keep the Thai bar keepers happy and still impress the girls.

"Girl-for-the-night" AKA "Long-time" means as many "shots as you can negotiate unless you find a particularly horny, insatiable companion. The record in Pattaya is 43 shots. There was a memorial to the record holder, but it was washed out to sea along with a lot of other shit some years ago.

The Nuru places are not many, but terrific. Try to find one with safety belts. The last one I was at saw the girl go flying off the table and into a wall. Apparently they used a particularly slippery oil to reduce friction and increase sensitivity. Broke her arm, but she had great, natural tits and a lovely smile. Give it a go. You can find places on the side Sois along Soi Buchow.

Give it a shot. All of it. And just suspend any beliefs in morals, right, wrong or anything else. It's Thailand and has a unique culture and a no harm, no foul philosophy. So long as you're paying. There's no other place like this on the planet. Don't let the fact that it's all about money. Either sent home to family, used to pay for kids abandoned totally by their dads or spent on gambling, drugs or other stuff.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2344529]I have never been offered FS during a soapie during the body slide phase, but as the "bed" is simply an air mattress that isn't quite big enough, and it is easy to slide off of and onto the cold ceramic tile of the shower floor, I am not sure I want to try. And the soapy solution is created by them agitating a bar of soap, and soap can be an irritant to one's urethra. Plus, you have to wait for the tub to fill to get the bath, then wait while you get cold while the clean the tub and get the air matteress and soapie solution prepared. In a JAV, they don't use a slippery air mattress on the cold floor, but a soft bed of some sort that is warm and will hold you in place as the girl slips and slides over you with a non-irritating gel. This technique is more accommodating to FS or even a HJ.

If I do a soapie again I will consider FS during the slide if I feel safe! But thus far, the whole waiting game on them cleaning the wet area before going to the bed for FS leaves me literally cold and any excitement from the slide dies. With this Nuru style, I hope there is no air mattress on the cold floor craziness, and that FS is available and you don't have to worry about sliding off onto the floor. I will be back to Pattaya in 6 weeks, so I will do some research and report back.[/QUOTE]I know some of you guys travel other places. If you want a truly great nuru mat experience go to Paradise in Kawasaki when visiting Tokyo. Take the 90 minutes course (get June if she is available). As to fucking on the mat or not they do both. They have it down to a science. At a certain point after the flip she will put a little towel under your butt to keep you from sliding and will fuck the hell out of you in cowgirl. Prefer mish or doggie? Well that can be round 2 when you go to the bed.

Top experience. But make sure to go to Paradise. It caters to Farangs. Most Japanese soapies are a rip-off for Farangs.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2344861]Mr E makes some good points but the key difference is he is a resident (well, not exactly a tourist / visitor) in Pattaya and has built up a network over the years. If you had such a network then it would be easy to get the girl to visit you on her day off or after work easily for a very reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I don't have any network at all and I rarely hit any chick more than once. I just walk around and go into places and ask chicks about coming after work and get their Line ID. I would say there are probably 10% that won't do it and insist on the bar fine route.

The equation E=MC2 represents the correlation of energy to matter (the energy equivalence of any given amount of mass).

The phrase, "Time is Money" explains the concept of Opportunity Cost and the relationship between time and money. Because time IS money that means time is a valuable, scarce, finite asset same as money and can be interchanged with money. It's simple:

When I was a young heathen in my 20's traveling around SA on $5/ day living expense, I had a lot of time on my hands, but I was short on money. The balance was in favor of time. So, I was more than willing to wait until the bars closed to meet up with my girls and shag them for free. Back then I did not even consider P4P. I looked down on paying as something for older dudes without a clue or guys that couldn't attract the hotties. But, everything is relative. 555.

35 years later I have money and the balance has shifted. I now find my time is more valuable and finite to me than money. I know I could wait until 3 am and still get attractive Go Go girls at reduced rates without barfines, but I don't feel like waiting and I can afford not to, so I choose to pick up my girls in prime time and pay their requisite prime time price which includes the barfine, drinks, and the session at full retail value. This doesn't bother me at all. If I was short on cash or if I was in the habit of staying up all night, I would choose the other way without hesitation. Either way it is just poontang and no big deal.

Now if you can walk into a nightclub or disco and pick up a hot amateur and just pay for drinks, that is another story. We would then be talking about having game. But that is not what we are talking about here. What we are talking about here is P4P and the time equivalence of money.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2344861] If you have a network then it would be easy to get the girl to visit you on her day off or after work easily for a very reasonable price.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent point that even I as an annual and sometime semiannual visitor to LOS benefit from. For me it is always an issue of balancing my desire for NEW with my equaling compelling pleasure of repeating with my favorite girls. I believe this balancing act would be heightened even more should I move to LOS and rent a condo. There are just too many quality girls around even if I am only interested in 5% of them and out of the 5%, I only wish to repeat with 10% of those, it is still a very large number of girls to deal with on a repeat basis.

Anyway, I want to write about the fringe benefits of repeats because it pertains to the issue at hand - lower costs and the time value of money. Look I would never see a girl again just because I could skip the barfine. I repeat with a girl because a) she is hot b) she is very good in bed, and c) I like her. Now given those 3 prerequisites if it also turns out that we bareback, skip the barfine, and she brings her sexy girlfriends over for menage a trois parties then all the better. I like it! So, it's like this:

1. BareBacking: roughly 20 to 25% of my girls bareback on the 1st night. That initial percentage is significantly higher in some of the other SE Asian countries that I like to visit btw. But no matter where I am, I never ask or negotiate for it. It either happens or it does not. But on 2nd, 3rd barfines the BB percentage increases dramatically and if I stay in touch with a girl and see her on my next trip, the odds of barebacking is near 90%.

2. No barfines: again, I never negotiate for this. It usually just falls in my lap when I begin to repeat with a girl. I might mention something about my hotel swimming pool or suggest we meet for lunch. The rest is up to the girl or girls, but I can't tell you guys how many girls offer to come over to my hotel before work, to have an afternoon boom boom, swim, and late lunch / early dinner. And all with NO BARFINE! Here are just a few of my favorite fringe benefit repeat girls:

#1 my Bottoms, Burgos Go Go girls. I have known these 2 since 2015. I have never barfined them (3900 p barfine) since 2016. That's more than 30 threesomes and 10 to 15 solos with each girl. They just come over to my hotel. I don't know how they explain their absence to mamasan. I don't care although I marvel at it. 555.

#2. One of my all-time favorite Khmer girls, a pretty little thing who used to work in Suzie Wong. Syzygies and I both knew her independently of each other. Anyway, after our 2nd time together when I casually mentioned my hotel swimming pool and asked if she liked to swim, she would always come over around 2 pm for an afternoon tryst, swim, early dinner and then we would say goodbye so she could go back to her nearby apartment to get ready for work. I had really great times with her. Then she found her "true love" 3 or 4 years ago and I have not seen her since, but I still miss her.

#3. One of my favorite Twister little girls. It was similar thing with her after mentioning my hotel swimming pool. With that one, she used to always ask if she could bring a girlfriend along and text some photos of the two of them. The GF was always cute and sexy, so I would say sure and a half hour later the girls would be in my loom ready for a threesome and afternoon pool party. The list goes on and on. Yada yada ie fringe benefits with no barfines.

Now I have never benefited from the last fringe benefit on my list: reduced rates mainly because of the time value of money that I spoke of in my last post. But I would speculate that if I lived in BKK or Pattaya and rented a condo, I would have many, many late night 5 am calls from repeat girls asking if they could come by. I would insist on no unannounced drop ins, but late-night calls would be something of interest to me as long as I was free and unencumbered. And I imagine that if a favorite Go Go girl wanted to drop by at 5 am I would be doing her as much of a favor as she would be doing me and hence I would expect her to lower her retail, prime time rate substantially.

In any case my point is fringe benefits do accrue from repeating with favorite girls. It's up to you if you want them or not. Repeating a lot with the same girls does have a diminishing marginal rate of return. Ha Ha. My Bottoms Burgos girls are a case in point. I still love them, but I am cutting down on my repeats with them. There is something really great about hitting new talent and experiencing that click, we just connected thing, for the 1st time. It does not happen all the time, but when it does, its great and as a result, I will naturally want to see that girl again. LOL. The irony is not lost on me.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344584]Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok. . . . Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.[/QUOTE]Perfectly safe to visit Pattaya or Bangkok as a solo traveler. Stick to the usual places frequented by naughty boys. Don't get too far off the beaten path. Ignore the local guys who approach you trying to sell you something, or to persuade you to visit a club or a store. The product they're hawking is almost always not worth the price. You say you don't drink, which is good. Always keep you head up and be aware of your surroundings. If something looks shady, or if something looks too good to be true, move along.

In Pattaya there are sporadic reports of pick pocketing by lady boys. Usually this happens on a crowded baht bus when everyone is crammed in shoulder to shoulder. Sometime they approach you on the street and grab you crotch to distract you while they (or an accomplice) lifts your wallet or cell phone. Before you leave home, remove from your wallet anything you won't need in Thailand. When you go out at night just carry a photocopy of your passport and the money you'll need for the night. The lady boys can't steal what you don't carry. Everything else should be locked up in your room safe. If you have a really nice phone, consider buying a basic travel phone. Any unlocked GSM phone will work and you can get a SIM card at the airport after you clear customs.

Is Pattaya better than Bangkok, or vice versa? That debate will never be resolved. Both cities have their good and bad points. I usually spend three days in Pattaya for every day I spend in Bangkok. I prefer the laid back beach vibe in Pattaya, where you are never more than 100 feet from some little hole-in-the-wall place where you can sit with a drink or a snack and just watch the world go by. Granted, Pattaya is not very upscale. There are some lager louts stumbling around, some Chinese tour groups clogging the sidewalks and some losers from the four corners of the globe. But you can always find a chill place where you'll feel comfortable. In Bangkok the girls are hotter and there is world class shopping dining lodging and sightseeing. It's also closer to the airport than Pattaya, which is convenient if your outbound flight leaves in the wee hours. If you have the time, I recommend going straight from the airport to Pattaya, then returning to Bangkok for a few days before leaving. But the other knowledgeable gentlemen may have a differing perspective.

As for things to do, or not: Have fun and be pleasant. Nobody likes a guy who looks like he's unhappy. Pay the going rate. You're on vacation for crying out loud. If that extra few hundred or few thousand baht is a problem, save up more money and come back later. GO BACK AND READ THE FORUM. See those numbers at the bottom of the screen? Go back 100 pages and read forward. Don't post any more clueless new guy questions unless you've read at least that far back. You'll find that all of your questions will be answered.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344584]Hi all,

I am going to Pattaya trip in Aug 1st week.

Need some info please help me this is my first mongering trip:

Very first thing going alone is it safe to go alone and which is best Pattaya / Bangkok.

1. Is anyone tried Fetish / BDSM clubs, if so how was the experience how safe it is and any specific good places.

2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink..[/QUOTE]Check PM. It will be good to monger together.

Took a girl from one of the beach market type bars yesterday early evening near Soi 10 on beach road. Damage was 300 BF and she asked for 1 k.

She was a little older than the usual bar girls, I think late 30's early 40's, said she had 2 teenage kids. Boy could she fuck, what an hours session it was. All positions and I blew a load all over her big breasts which had had a job on to keep them perky and firm. Great friendly attitude she had and seemed to enjoy it as much as me.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2344641]I'd like to ask the veteran Pattaya visitors who have been here in the last year. Is there anyway to deal directly with the bar girls here and avoid paying the bar fine. I'm finding it difficult to separate them, as it appears the bar owners have a firm hold on their behavior.[/QUOTE]It's simple, say you like her and make an excuse about having other plans, then ask for her Line ID. Almost no working girls would refuse, and ones that do probably seriously dislike you anyway and you should avoid them. If you press her to meet after hours that same night, many would refuse (it's shafting the bar, a better prospect might come along, who knows).

However, using this method, don't expect to later get a girl when you want her, on your schedule, but rather when she has time. Flakiness is an issue too, quite possible to arrange a meeting and for her not to show up or to be late by hours. Having a good number of contact mitigates this to some extent, but to me it's still too frustrating. To me, the best thing about working girls is that you can point and shoot, no need to go through any annoying extra hassle.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2345341]It's simple, say you like her and make an excuse about having other plans, then ask for her Line ID. Almost no working girls would refuse, and ones that do probably seriously dislike you anyway and you should avoid them. If you press her to meet after hours that same night, many would refuse (it's shafting the bar, a better prospect might come along, who knows).

However, using this method, don't expect to later get a girl when you want her, on your schedule, but rather when she has time. Flakiness is an issue too, quite possible to arrange a meeting and for her not to show up or to be late by hours. Having a good number of contact mitigates this to some extent, but to me it's still too frustrating. To me, the best thing about working girls is that you can point and shoot, no need to go through any annoying extra hassle.[/QUOTE]Had trouble getting my cheap phil. Cps to work here, even when replacing the sim, so maybe cannot register or use Line? Anyways, I don't like it here in Pattaya and I will give further info on that once I return in a few days, so as to avoid any possible negative repercussions (probably unlikely). I did not have time to get an international cp before I left as I want one that is easily rooted. Ran across a really good translate app on bar girl was using, very slick. Talk into cp and back comes translated answer in voice. Cool. Appears to work well, I think it's a google app?

Even using line as you suggest, sounds like it might be more trouble than it's worth. My ventures onto beach road have been rather disappointing. One fatty, disguised (aren't they always?) and another young firm one who did not know how to UK. Waste of money, really.

Which is better?

If all you want to do is wallow in the cesspit of juicy, filthy, creamy lust, then go to Pattaya.

If you need something else to do with your time beside engage in howling priapic copulation, then go to Bangkok, which is a superior place in both regards.

Hello fellas!

Arriving into BKK tomorrow morning and rolling into Patts soon after. I'm an American living and working Japan after retiring from the USN last year. Long time lurker of the forum and now soon to be first time back for me in 10 years, but then the Mrs. Was still the Mrs. And flew in from Japan once the ship pulled in to keep a thumb on me, not so now. I first experienced Patts as a 23 year old in 1994 and boy did I have fun! Was going stir crazy here in the Japanese rainy season so bit the bullet, said to hell with it and will spend 5 nights in the Sunbeam. I stayed there in '99 but it was a lot older back then seems they renovated since then. If anyone is in town and wants to shoot the breeze over a beer or help knock the rust off give me a holler.

Will do my best to keep a report going. I primarily like the beer bars or freelancers, but I'm planning to stop by and experience the 6 as well as check out Soi Buakhao and others. Just a chill guy from Texas (no I won't be the guy cruising the coconut bar in boots and shorts) whose lived the last 20 years in Japan, retired USN, golfer. Will keep y'all posted, cheers.

My wing man and I took two girls from I think it was called bar 1 right outside the sign of Walking Street.

Bar fine 300, girls 1200. We are staying at The Base so got the baht bus back and spent around an hour with them. Both had superb attitudes, lots of laughs, messing around and both were good fucks.

Earlier we were in a bar on Soi 8 I think it is between beach road and 2nd road, one girl was a real 10, best looking chic I have seen I Thailand, and her friend a 9, both had pr on their badges. Bar fines were 500, girls wanted 2000 so we passed.

It's very late and I'm walking up WS after a drink at iBar. Most of the gogo bars are closing now. I see Tantra is closing as well and the girls are going home. One girl exits and keeps looking at me. Maybe she remembers me from earlier because I was in Tantra around midnight for a drink. I am passing Palace now. The girl catches up to me and says, "I go with you." While bypassing the barfine is enticing, I can tell that she has high expectations. It turns out she wants 3,000 Baht. She does not say whether that is ST or LT and I do not bother to ask because at the time I'm more focused on getting back to my hotel. I counter her offer with 1,500 Baht LT. She says, "OK" right away. After 5 seconds, she gives me her Line ID and says, "OK, maybe tomorrow. " I had no expectations whatsoever, so that was fine with me.

She says she's going to take a moto-taxi down one of the little alleys. So I grab her hand and offer to walk her to her moto-taxi station. She seems to appreciate the offer. She gets on the moto-taxi and we say goodbye.

The following day: Of course, tomorrow never happened because tomorrow never comes, whatever that means. I do not message her in Line and nor does she. I think she is "waiting" for me to offer her 3,000 Baht after work. If I had been a regular and offered 1,500 Baht a night every week plus a few lady's drinks when I visit her at Tantra, who knows maybe. I would have offered 2,000 to 2,500 LT if she had been more my type.

Anyway, in the end, it's all good. No harm done to nobody and the innocent got protected.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2345978]Earlier we were in a bar on Soi 8 I think it is between beach road and 2nd road, one girl was a real 10, best looking chic I have seen I Thailand, and her friend a 9, both had pr on their badges. Bar fines were 500, girls wanted 2000 so we passed.[/QUOTE]You have got to name the bar on Soi 8. That street is dead and you might have potentially run into an LB. Now diamonds in the rough are possible in PYX but the odds are heavily stacked here.

I am also surprised that you guys passed on 9's and 10's (hoping they were NBF) for a mere 1000 baht more than what you paid the other girls.

I was going up to my hotel room when I noticed another room with the door wide open. And it was a total mess. There were personal belongings and trash all over the floor. There was water also everywhere. There was water on the floor and the bed looked absolutely soaked. The maid came by and told me that the hotel guest had brought a ladyboy the previous night and this was the end result. It must have been a hell of a water fight. That was why the maid had left the door and the balcony door wide open.

The maid also told me that the ladyboy cleaned out the in-room lock-safe. It sounded like he got away with at least a couple of thousand dollars. I don't know how the ladyboy got the guest to open the safe. Maybe he used his powerful Glock water pistol which is now available at a toy store near you. It makes sense why some hotels do not allow guests to bring in ladyboys.

If you really have to take a ladyboy, then maybe a short-time room is a safer bet. If he robs you, you lose whatever you have in your wallet. However, they are known to carry deadly sucker-punches. So buyer beware.

I stole this from Pin-up last month when the waitress wasn't looking. I don't think they print a new set of deals each month. So they should still be valid. My favorite nights are Monday and Wednesday. Notice, they don't have deals on Fridays and Saturdays because they have like a hundred girls to feed. During Happy Hour every day 8:00 PM to 10:00 PM, a bottle of Chang or Singha is 90 Baht.

Pin-up has lots of stunners. So let's go get us some.

P.S. I would go there more often and stay a lot longer if they weren't packed with chain-smoking Asian customers. The last time I did that my yourine (codeword) the following day literally smelled of tar and nicotine.

The underground foodcourt has vanished. Not sure what will replace it. Bad news for me. It was one of my favourite hang-outs.

Soi 6 very good right now. Depleted line-ups but girl availability sky high. Some brand new girls compared to April.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2346242]I counter her offer with 1,500 Baht LT. She says, "OK" right away. After 5 seconds, she gives me her Line ID and says, "OK, maybe tomorrow. " I had no expectations whatsoever, so that was fine with me.

The following day: Of course, tomorrow never happened because tomorrow never comes, whatever that means. I do not message her in Line and nor does she. I think she is "waiting" for me to offer her 3,000 Baht after work. If I had been a regular and offered 1,500 Baht a night every week plus a few lady's drinks when I visit her at Tantra, who knows maybe. I would have offered 2,000 to 2,500 LT if she had been more my type.
[/QUOTE]I don't get your logic. The girl said she would accept 1500 but you are looking for reasons to pay more. You don't need to be a regular. You don't need to buy any drinks. You don't need to offer more. All you need to do is send her a message and wait for her to come.

I have said time and time again that these chicks will take 1000 - 1200 for LT, but the moment you step into that bar or gogo you become the rich foreign ATM that is expected to spend, spend, spend. All of that is not needed or expected outside of those 4 walls. You would have proved that to yourself had you just sent the girl a message or made her come with you right then.

[QUOTE=XXL;2346636]The underground foodcourt has vanished. Not sure what will replace it. Bad news for me. It was one of my favourite hang-outs.[/QUOTE]They just moved the foodcourt near the beach road entrace (same floor) where there is also the large AIS shop.

Last night I was walking along Beach Road and seen a little 5 ft plumpish girl jogging in sortswear with a friend. As they stopped to stretch I said a Hello,. Asked one if they wanted a drink and as the workout had finished she said why not and a quick goodbye to her friend. After a drink I said you can come to my apartment for 1000 baht and off we went. A good GF session was had.

Tonight I was walking up Soi 7 and I think it is called shooters bar (staff in orange t-shirts) at the top had a very sexy died blonde hair girl with large tits and great athletic legs and ass for an Asian girl, slightly thick and strong how I like them. BF 300 and 1000 for her. Another good session was had.

Tomorrow off to BKK for last night in Thailand.

Hello,

Can someone tell me if the girl of beach road order to use condom?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2346676]They just moved the foodcourt near the beach road entrace (same floor) where there is also the large AIS shop.[/QUOTE]I was at the food court a few hours ago. It is at the Beach Rd end of the mall but it is only about 10% of the size. I picked up one great freebie there last year. Central Festival still seems to he going strong even with the new Terminal 21 open.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2346601]I was going up to my hotel room when I noticed another room with the door wide open. And it was a total mess. There were personal belongings and trash all over the floor. There was water also everywhere. There was water on the floor and the bed looked absolutely soaked. The maid came by and told me that the hotel guest had brought a ladyboy the previous night and this was the end result. It must have been a hell of a water fight. That was why the maid had left the door and the balcony door wide open.

The maid also told me that the ladyboy cleaned out the in-room lock-safe. It sounded like he got away with at least a couple of thousand dollars. I don't know how the ladyboy got the guest to open the safe. Maybe he used his powerful Glock water pistol which is now available at a toy store near you. It makes sense why some hotels do not allow guests to bring in ladyboys.

If you really have to take a ladyboy, then maybe a short-time room is a safer bet. If he robs you, you lose whatever you have in your wallet. However, they are known to carry deadly sucker-punches. So buyer beware.[/QUOTE]My greatest fear in Thailand is not the ladyboys. I have no problem identifying and avoiding them. My greatest fear is the post-ops.

[QUOTE=Ms1983;2346703]Hello,

Can someone tell me if the girl of beach road order to use condom?[/QUOTE]Yes use condom.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2346676]They just moved the foodcourt near the beach road entrace (same floor) where there is also the large AIS shop.[/QUOTE]It had not escaped my notice that they still offered some food at the other side. It is so small it doesn't qualify as a food court. The AIS shop is now I think on 1st floor.

[QUOTE=Ms1983;2346703]Can someone tell me if the girl of beach road order to use condom?[/QUOTE]They usually require condoms (for sex, not for BJ), though some are too desperate or strung out on drugs to insist. If a Beach Road girl lets you go in without a condom, you definitely should NOT go for it, she's been with all and sundry.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2346749]My greatest fear in Thailand is not the ladyboys. I have no problem identifying and avoiding them. My greatest fear is the post-ops.[/QUOTE]Not many post-ops around anymore I would think. I may be wrong and not notice them.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2346749]My greatest fear in Thailand is not the ladyboys. I have no problem identifying and avoiding them. My greatest fear is the post-ops.[/QUOTE] With their panties on what's the difference? Posties still look like ladyboys to me even though they may think of themselves as girls. In either case I believe I can spot a ladyboy or at least have a suspicion that one is 99.9999 % of the time. Which reminds me of a funny scene from Dumb and Dumber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9IgLueodZA&feature=youtu.be

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2346618]I stole this from Pin-up last month when the waitress wasn't looking. I don't think they print a new set of deals each month. So they should still be valid. My favorite nights are Monday and Wednesday. Notice, they don't have deals on Fridays and Saturdays because they have like a hundred girls to feed. During Happy Hour every day 8:00 PM to 10:00 PM, a bottle of Chang or Singha is 90 Baht.
[/QUOTE]LOL, those aren't coupons. Just adverts for their daily drink specials. But I agree, PinUp has some stunning girls. They are giving Sapphire a run for their money, and cheaper.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2344649]For the few mourning the loss of Cherry Restaurant on 3rd Road near Soi Lengkee at least they used the space for a good purpose. Appears to be a Thai bar along the lines of my old go to favorite, Kiss Cool pub, which used to be a few doors down. Maybe someone can pop by after Soi Full Love Inn one evening.[/QUOTE]Pretty girls. Is this more of a gentleman's club or a beer bar? I'm heading back to Pattaya next month and looking for some good new places to try.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2346749]My greatest fear in Thailand is not the ladyboys. I have no problem identifying and avoiding them. My greatest fear is the post-ops.[/QUOTE]Step 1: ask her if she is a postie. Step 2: Ask to see her ID, gender on an ID can't be changed, she can only try to carry someone else ID, like an ID of her sister Step 3: Ask hotel desk to assist you, they somehow can verify the identity, and security can help. OK, just forgot to tell you Step Zero: don't be too drunk. If all the above failed, welcome to the club, as majority of folks who often visit LOS can't guarantee if has never happened to them.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2346601]The maid also told me that the ladyboy cleaned out the in-room lock-safe. It sounded like he got away with at least a couple of thousand dollars. I don't know how the ladyboy got the guest to open the safe.[/QUOTE]If you look on youtube you will see there is a way to open that style safe by pretty much just banging on it with your fist or some other object.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346910]With their panties on what's the difference? Posties still look like ladyboys..In either case I believe I can spot a ladyboy or at least have a suspicion that one is 99.9999 % of the time.[/QUOTE]LOL. That was really weird. As if chopping off their dicks magically makes them look like a female. They still look like the same dude with long hair and makeup as they did before.

I was in an argument in the Brazil thread with MongerForSex last week. He was telling me that he is a doctor and that the only way to tell if someone was really a girl or a guy was by examining their insides. I said he could have saved a bunch on medical school by just buying some glasses. He claims I have some special power to be able to tell a male from a female by just looking at them. Glad to know there are others out there like me with the same special power.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343533]I diagnosed many women, men and transexuals, I know the difference. What I know you can't say if it's a transexual or woman from a picture. The only way to recognize transexuals is from inside and not from outside. If you say you can recognize all transexuals just by looking at them, I can't believe you.[/QUOTE]

If what he is saying was truly the case then we would all be on here talking about how we mistakenly took a ladyboy because we thought it was a woman. But those stories are few and far between on this board.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346942]LOL. That was really weird. As if chopping off their dicks magically makes them look like a female. They still look like the same dude with long hair and makeup as they did before.

I was in an argument in the Brazil thread with MongerForSex last week. He was telling me that he is a doctor and that the only way to tell if someone was really a girl or a guy was by examining their insides. I said he could have saved a bunch on medical school by just buying some glasses. He claims I have some special power to be able to tell a male from a female by just looking at them. Glad to know there are others out there like me with the same special power.[/QUOTE]So, his point was, if someone truly fooled you, you wouldn't know it.

You're talking about obvious transvestites and transsexuals. It's not quite that easy.

It's like a con man. With the best ones, you never know you're conned.

Also a doc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346938]If you look on youtube you will see there is a way to open that style safe by pretty much just banging on it with your fist or some other object.[/QUOTE]I did.

Now, that poses a slight headache for the next time.

Maybe hiding the "dineros" under the mattress would be safer.

[QUOTE=Growtek;2346962]So, his point was, if someone truly fooled you, you wouldn't know it. You're talking about obvious transvestites and transsexuals. It's not quite that easy. It's like a con man. With the best ones, you never know you're conned. Also a doc.[/QUOTE]Actually what happened was another member posted photos of a person and said he didn't know this beauty was actually a dude until it was time for bed. I replied and said nobody could mistake that person for being a woman. I was then admonished and told that I was full of shit and there was no way I could tell that a man dressed up like a woman was not really a woman unless I examined the insides.

The administrator has since deleted the post containing the pictures of the obvious man with fake tits and fake hair and women's loungewear on. As NB said, 99.9999% of the time I can tell that it is not really a woman and out of a couple thousand chicks, I have never made the mistake of taking a dude thinking it was really a woman. There are no best ones. There are only guys that need glasses or guys that want to be fooled.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346671]I don't get your logic. The girl said she would accept 1500 but you are looking for reasons to pay more. You don't need to be a regular. You don't need to buy any drinks. You don't need to offer more. All you need to do is send her a message and wait for her to come.

I have said time and time again that these chicks will take 1000 - 1200 for LT, but the moment you step into that bar or gogo you become the rich foreign ATM that is expected to spend, spend, spend. All of that is not needed or expected outside of those 4 walls. You would have proved that to yourself had you just sent the girl a message or made her come with you right then.[/QUOTE]I don't blame you since you and I are very different.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough in the original post. The girl said OK right away without thinking. Then after thinking about it for literally 5 seconds, she said, "OK, maybe tomorrow". That was a no. How do I know? Because I was there. In my experience (yours might differ), Thai girls don't like to say no to potential customers. It reduces their customer base. Instead, they use phrases like "maybe tomorrow". Working girls do not care or worry about tomorrow. They only care about tonight. Again, that has been my experience so far.

I did not message her the next day because I knew she would not come for 1,500 LT. Her going rate is 3,000ST and 5,000 LT. (And yes, the going rate is highly inflated, as many would agree.) But if that was my going rate, I also would not accept a 1,500 LT offer, unless I was really desperate for cash. And the girl did not look desperate. In fact, she looked very happy.

Also, I don't know what would have happened if I had tried to make her come with me that night. (as you had suggested) Maybe it would have worked. Maybe not. Again, I did not try because that is not my style.

I understand that you get your girls for 1,000 to 1,200 LT and that's truly admirable. (Many here, myself included, do not seem to be able to achieve that feat.) I know you said it's as easy as you say it is. But that Tantra girl is not one of them.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346910]With their panties on what's the difference? Posties still look like ladyboys to me even though they may think of themselves as girls. In either case I believe I can spot a ladyboy or at least have a suspicion that one is 99.9999 % of the time. [/QUOTE]Having a suspicion is easy. Identifying them 99.9999 % of the time is not that easy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346989] As NB said, 99.9999% of the time I can tell that it is not really a woman [/QUOTE]How do you know you are right 99.9999% of the time? Do you always ask if someone is a ladyboy if you have a suspicion? I don't think so because according to you it so obvious almost 100% of the time that you don't need to ask.

And how about the natural born ladies who look like ladyboys? We all know there are quite a lot of them in Thailand. So maybe they are the ones that fool you every now and then LOL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2347011]How do you know you are right 99.9999% of the time? Do you always ask if someone is a ladyboy if you have a suspicion? I don't think so because according to you it so obvious almost 100% of the time that you don't need to ask.

And how about the natural born ladies who look like ladyboys? We all know there are quite a lot of them in Thailand. So maybe they are the ones that fool you every now and then LOL.[/QUOTE]I pride myself in being able to identify ladyboys even from a distance and have never found myself facing a man-made naked vagina in my bed. But I could never claim to being able to identify "all" ladyboys based on outside observation alone. And certainly not from a still photo. It gets easier if there is a video clip and easier than that if you see one up close. As you have pointed out, how in the world could anyone substantiate a claim that he has accurately identified "all" of the ladyboys he has ever seen in a photo or passing by on the street? That's like saying I can tell 100% of the time when a man is wearing a toupee. Well, in fact, like everyone I can only tell when it is an obvious one. There are major Hollywood stars who wore toupees until they were very old and most of their fans never had a clue because they were the best money could buy.

In my case, I'm talking about seeing a ladyboy from a moderate distance where a seasoned Thai monger friend says something like, "Hey, look at that gorgeous chick over there!", and I say no that's a ladyboy. As he approaches closer it is obvious to both of us I called it right. Those are the only ones I can reasonably claim to be accurate about.

I don't know what MongerForSex meant by "examining them inside", if he actually said it that way. But I would think a separation of labia with your fingers, checking for depth and testing to see if manual or oral stimulation will produce convincing amounts of self-lubrication ought to produce 100% certainty. I don't think I'd need to whip out a speculum and start digging in wearing a light-equipped miner's helmet. Then again, once I have stuck my finger in and so on, is it too late? Have I already had "sex" with a ladyboy? LOL.

On your final point, I have at least twice now met natural born Thai females on the dating sites that looked fine in their photos but had me suspecting they might be a ladyboy on first meeting. However, it was borderline enough and the girl was intriguing enough in many other ways for me to forge ahead and take it as far as I could, being fully prepared to back away like a cat held over a bucket of water if it went badly. Yet, swear to god, those girls turned out to be genuine females right down to so some of the best, well self-lubricated humping, pumping and more sex without their leaving my sight I have ever had. They were just a bit more androgynous/tomboyish in appearance than most. I am sure if I had not engaged in conversation enough to hear their voice and had not met them under a dating site situation, I would most certainly have dismissed them as ladyboys on the street. And I would have been wrong.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346942]LOL. That was really weird. As if chopping off their dicks magically makes them look like a female. They still look like the same dude with long hair and makeup as they did before.

I was in an argument in the Brazil thread with MongerForSex last week. He was telling me that he is a doctor and that the only way to tell if someone was really a girl or a guy was by examining their insides. I said he could have saved a bunch on medical school by just buying some glasses. He claims I have some special power to be able to tell a male from a female by just looking at them. Glad to know there are others out there like me with the same special power.



If what he is saying was truly the case then we would all be on here talking about how we mistakenly took a ladyboy because we thought it was a woman. But those stories are few and far between on this board.[/QUOTE]I studied general medicine, dermatovenereology and infectology for over 10 years and know what I am talking about. I don't need to buy glasses. Above all, I don't need to be teached by a folk that doesn't know anything about medicine.

1 man in 500 men suffer from this condition (Klinefelter syndrome).

[URL]https://medlineplus.gov/klinefelterssyndrome.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.icliniq.com/qa/feminine-body/i-am-a-25-year-old-male-my-body-looks-feminine-please-help[/URL]#gref.

Men starting hormone therapy before puberty can change bone structure. The bone structure doesn't change in adults undergoing HRT for gender transition purposes.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_hormone_therapy_[/URL](male-to-female).

You will always be fooled when watching pictures. You have been fooled so many times without knowing it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2347033]

I don't know what MongerForSex meant by "examining them inside", if he actually said it that way. But I would think a separation of labia with your fingers, checking for depth and testing to see if manual or oral stimulation will produce convincing amounts of self-lubrication ought to produce 100% certainty. I don't think I'd need to whip out a speculum and start digging in wearing a light-equipped miner's helmet. Then again, once I have stuck my finger in and so on, is it too late? Have I already had "sex" with a ladyboy? LOL.

[/QUOTE]I am 100 percent straight and I have examined many men and transexuals, I performed many biopsies even on dicks and ass because it's my job to examine skin and find the right infectious disease (non-sexual transmitted disease or sexual transmitted disease). There are many ways to know ladyboys but never from pictures or just by looking at them. You may also mistake a woman for a man. Like a member says in the Brazil thread. Being fooled from a picture or from watching is ok but there is no excuse for bedding ugly women.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347042]I am 100 percent straight...
...
...there is no excuse for bedding ugly women.[/QUOTE]Hey, Doc, I don't want to say those are two contradictory statements. But if a dude can't think of any number of excuses for bedding an ugly woman every now and then he has just been lucky in never being seen by his friends on the way to a hotel with one. (insert non existant wink emoticon here)

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2347091]Hey, Doc, I don't want to say those are two contradictory statements. But if a dude can't think of any number of excuses for bedding an ugly woman every now and then he has just been lucky in never being seen by his friends on the way to a hotel with one. (insert non existant wink emoticon here)[/QUOTE]Meaning: There is absolutely no excuse for travelling miles to stay for free in a run down favela shack to fuck ugly shanks when you can afford to fuck stunners in a hotel.
You may have been fooled by pictures and appearance without knowing it. But if you can't think of any number of excuses every now and then either you have just been lucky in never knowing you were wrong and fooled .

To take a sanctimonious approach and say correct 99.99% of the time is a show of ignorance. What one sees on the street will likely not be the very best of what a LB can look like as they likely don't have the financial backing to get surgery done past a boob and nose job. There are LBs out there who will shave bone on their face to get better lines and take off the Adam's apple. Take a group of LBs who have the best surgery done, and the 99.99% claim doesn't exist though it's just sample size. If you see a FL who looks like a LB but was born a natural female, you're not on the 99.99%. In a hobby like this in Thailand, most will err on the side of safety. There are plenty of punters who have been fooled though you won't hear about it perhaps due to embarrassment and how most places card any FL.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2347154]To take a sanctimonious approach and say correct 99.99% of the time is a show of ignorance. What one sees on the street will likely not be the very best of what a LB can look like as they likely don't have the financial backing to get surgery done past a boob and nose job. There are LBs out there who will shave bone on their face to get better lines and take off the Adam's apple. Take a group of LBs who have the best surgery done,[/QUOTE]Show us this group sir. Is there some secret lair that they are being held in? Even when they have those pageants and shows you can tell that the mfs are dudes. Maybe the statement needs to be clarified to say 99.99% of the ladyboys that the average monger will ever see on a dating site profile or in person at some venue or walking down a normal street, I can tell they are not female.

If that wasn't the case, they could just pass themselves off as women and nobody would ever be the wiser. But instead there is a separate venue called ladyboy bars to notify those of us who may not carry around medical equipment in order to distinguish ladies from ladyboys. All the money in the world is not going to give them smaller heads. Speak to any artist that draws people and ask them if there is a difference between drawing males and drawing females.

"MEN HAVE BIGGER HEADS AND LONGER ARMS AND LEGS than women, relative to body size. Sources differ on comparative limb length but they all agree women have smaller, lighter heads & necks."

"To illustrate this point, this is what happens when a man is drawn with female proportions and vice-versa."

[url]https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/human-anatomy-fundamentals-advanced-body-proportions--vector-19869[/url]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347185]Show us this group sir. Is there some secret lair that they are being held in? Even when they have those pageants and shows you can tell that the mfs are dudes. Maybe the statement needs to be clarified to say 99.99% of the ladyboys that the average monger will ever see on a dating site profile or in person at some venue or walking down a normal street, I can tell they are not female. If that wasn't the case, they could just pass themselves off as women and nobody would ever be the wiser. But instead there is a separate venue called ladyboy bars to notify those of us who may not carry around medical equipment in order to distinguish ladies from ladyboys.[/QUOTE]You have been fooled many times without knowing it. You will keep being fooled by pictures and appearance. Where did you find your so called statitistics? Stop being stubborn, you are wrong and you will keep being wrong.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347189]You have been fooled many times without knowing it. You will keep being fooled by pictures and appearance. Where did you find your so called statitistics? Stop being stubborn, you are wrong and you will keep being wrong.[/QUOTE]You are making a dumb statement. I could just as well say that you have fucked ladyboys many times without knowing it. You will keep fucking them because from their appearance you don't really know. How are you going to prove that you have not? It is trying to prove a negative. You might as well have said that I have seen many aliens without knowing it. I can not prove to you that I have not seen any aliens. But until you can show me the ladyboys that have fooled me, you have no argument sir. I know one thing for sure. The ladyboy that the OP posted sure was not one that fooled me!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347216]You are making a dumb statement. I could just as well say that you have fucked ladyboys many times without knowing it. You will keep fucking them because from their appearance you don't really know. How are you going to prove that you have not? It is trying to prove a negative. You might as well have said that I have seen many aliens without knowing it. I can not prove to you that I have not seen any aliens. But until you can show me the ladyboys that have fooled me, you have no argument sir. I know one thing for sure. The ladyboy that the OP posted sure was not one that fooled me![/QUOTE]You have been fooled many times. You get too old, you have to buy glasses for your cataract if it doesn't work, just get a surgery. I know a good ophthalmologist. When you come to Brazil, let me know, I will introduce you to her. I am smarter than you are. I will never be fooled by a transexual. Because I can recognize transexuals when I see them in person, the way you talk I can see you have been fooled many times but can't know. I have never fucked ladyboys because I am a very conservative and macho Brazilian, I voted for Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil and Trump in the USA because I don't want a female or a pro LGBT party to run a country LOL. I can't recognize aliens, but you may recognize aliens, your father is from krypton and you could see through anything like your father though it's time for you to see a good ophthalmologist.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347236]You have been fooled many times.[/QUOTE]What does that mean? Fooled as in #1) thinking a ladyboy is a girl, #2) thinking a girl is a ladyboy when she is a girl, or #3) having vaginal sex with a postie and not realizing it.

On #1: Just out and about in a posh shopping mall or high end restaurant I suppose it is possible because I am not on the prowl and my radar is turned off. But when I am out on a hunt it's rare as in 1 in a million. How do I know? Because I have shagged around 500 girls and I never ended up in my hotel room naked with an "attractive" girl with a cock. And if I did I wouldn't freak out. Shit happens. 555. I would admit it.

On #2: This type of error happens more often. I have no idea of the proportion of times, but it is a built in security measure so I don't have a problem with false positives. It's not like I am horny in LOS and have to lay every girl I meet just because she is standing in front of me and available.

On #3: Never. How do I know? Because of #1) and #2) plus I shag with the lights on and as a pussy gourmand, ha ha, a guy who loves the look of pussy, the smell of pussy, and the taste of pussy, I think I would be able to tell the difference between the finest surgically designed vagina and a natural one. How about you? Can you show us any picture of a surgically designed vagina that looks real to you? Inquiring minds would like to see it.

All this being fooled garbage reminds me of the Jeremy Irons movie, "M. Butterfly" where he plays a French diplomat who is duped and falls in love with a Chinese opera singer. He doesn't find out that she is a ladyboy and using him until it is tragically too late. Only Jeremy Irons could make the part believable. A pretty good movie. Check it out.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347236]...I am a very conservative and macho Brazilian, I voted for Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil and Trump in the USA ...[/QUOTE]Rule of thumb 1: be suspicious of anyone claiming to be hyper masculine.

ROT 2: authoritarian parties are essentially sadomasochistic (the Freudian meaning of the term). Look back at the Nazis and Italian fascists and the strong undercurrent of repressed homosexuality. When they campaign against the queers, transvestites and "deviants" (and women and foreigners), it is their subconscious speaking. I'm not saying Trump is a homosexual (or a heterosexual for that matter); however, I believe he goes after attractive women to signal to others (and reassure himself) that he is hyper masculine. OTOH, Bolsonaro clearly is a deeply repressed homosexual.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2347249]What does that mean? Fooled as in #1) thinking a ladyboy is a girl, #2) thinking a girl is a ladyboy when she is a girl, or #3) having vaginal sex with a postie and not realizing it.

.[/QUOTE] he has been fooled by pictures and appearance without knowing it. Number 1 and 2.

If you are talking about a naked woman and a naked transexual, it's easy to recognise a transexual. I know the diffrence between a real pussy and a fake pussy. I have seen many dicks, many pussies and many scrarred fake pussies. It is also my job to examine genitals. I am talking about transexuals that are not naked on pictures or transexuals walking on the street. As I said you can't recognize transexuals just from pictures or just by looking at them on the street. When I see a transexual in person I can recognise easily.

That guy is talking about bone structure. That guy knows nothing about medicine. Transexuals that started therapy before their puberty won't have the same bone structure as males. There are many other ways to recognize transexuals. I fucked thousands of girls. I fuck 15 girls a week. I know what a pussy is,

I also saw many ugly pussies with fucking warts and ulcers or some other infections.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2347252]Rule of thumb 1: be suspicious of anyone claiming to be hyper masculine.

ROT 2: authoritarian parties are essentially sadomasochistic (the Freudian meaning of the term). Look back at the Nazis and Italian fascists and the strong undercurrent of repressed homosexuality. When they campaign against the queers, transvestites and "deviants" (and women and foreigners), it is their subconscious speaking. I'm not saying Trump is a homosexual (or a heterosexual for that matter); however, I believe he goes after attractive women to signal to others (and reassure himself) that he is hyper masculine. OTOH, Bolsonaro clearly is a deeply repressed homosexual.[/QUOTE]So that means trump is suffering from dementia? . But I don't believe in rumors. I only believe in what I see.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347185]Show us this group sir. Is there some secret lair that they are being held in? Even when they have those pageants and shows you can tell that the mfs are dudes. Maybe the statement needs to be clarified to say 99.99% of the ladyboys that the average monger will ever see on a dating site profile or in person at some venue or walking down a normal street, I can tell they are not female.

If that wasn't the case, they could just pass themselves off as women and nobody would ever be the wiser. But instead there is a separate venue called ladyboy bars to notify those of us who may not carry around medical equipment in order to distinguish ladies from ladyboys. All the money in the world is not going to give them smaller heads. Speak to any artist that draws people and ask them if there is a difference between drawing males and drawing females.[/QUOTE]Are you reading what you're writing? Of course you know the contestants in an LB pageant are because it's advertised as so. Waiting for your reply that at a dog show there are dogs participating. Shocker.

You're all over the place in your reply talking about seeing a LB on the street and LB bars. LB bars isn't salient to the conversation here which is the same as your poor LB pageant example. Of course people would know an LB is one at an LB bar.

Thank you Captain Obvious. No wonder it's 99.99%. But where is this 0.01% of non-LB in an LB pageant or LB bar? LOL.

Read through recent posts, methinks the guys who boast the most of detecting ladyboys or post ops 99% of the time or cannot be fooled are the ones who may have banged post ops the most without knowing it especially if they drink and especially if they have been living in Thailand a long time. I can hear them now -'in an inebriated state I can easily identify a posty'. They doth protest too much.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2347272]Are you reading what you're writing? Of course you know the contestants in an LB pageant are because it's advertised as so. Waiting for your reply that at a dog show there are dogs participating. Shocker.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am saying you can tell the contestants are dudes by looking at them. You are saying you have to rely on the title to contain ladyboy to know they are men. Pook Bar and whatever others do not say anything about ladyboy in the name, but if you walk by it is obvious to your eyes that all the mfs working there are ladyboys. The sign outside at Tiffany Show does not say shit about ladyboys, but if you bought a ticket and went inside it would be obvious to everyone except you and MFS that there were ladyboys performing and not women.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2347249]

..Because I have shagged around 500 girls and I never ended up in my hotel room naked with an "attractive" girl with a cock.....

[/QUOTE]That's not the question here. If you pick up a Transgender in Pattaya there is absolutely the chance that you will not find out, if born as woman or not! - even if you touch inside the pussy etc. The skin feels natural not like 20 years ago. If they spend a lot of money they get perfect operation and when they start with hormone therapy in young age, then all your super knowledge will not help you!

[QUOTE=Beno69;2347741] If you pick up a Transgender in Pattaya there is absolutely the chance that you will not find out, if born as woman or not! - even if you touch inside the pussy etc. The skin feels natural not like 20 years ago. If they spend a lot of money they get perfect operation and when they start with hormone therapy in young age, then all your super knowledge will not help you![/QUOTE]In your dreams.

You will easily spot a post op (at least the ones in Thailand) once she is in your room. The skin does not feel the same, the color might be different also, I'm not even mentioning the shape of it.

The only guys that are fooled are the ones that want to shag her anyway (and doesn't really care if it's a LB or a real girl) or guys that had very few pussies in their life.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2347741]That's not the question here. If you pick up a Transgender in Pattaya there is absolutely the chance that you will not find out, if born as woman or not! - even if you touch inside the pussy etc. The skin feels natural not like 20 years ago. If they spend a lot of money they get perfect operation and when they start with hormone therapy in young age, then all your super knowledge will not help you![/QUOTE]I disagree. I think most of us can tell the difference between a pussy and a synthetic one. Prove me wrong. Post a picture of a fake one that looks real. That's all you have to do.

BTW, I wasn't bragging about my stats. I only mentioned that proximate number to indicate my sample size and that not 1 girl out of those 500 girls was a LB. No braggadocio. Many of my fellow punters have had far more girls. But if you go back to the original post that started this LB conversation, the OP was concerned about having sex with a postie. I am merely saying to him that the odds of that are infinitesimally small unless the he is drunk or subconsciously he really wants a postie. I also posted that if I did end up in my room with a LB I wouldn't freak out. I would handle the situation and I would get over it. Shit happens. But like Jim Carey in that "Dumb an Dumber" scene, "So you're telling me there's a chance?" I am saying the chance is very small.

So now I have said all I have to say on the subject twice and I think it is time to move on to more pertinent issues. Again, the bottom line is LB's are not an issue in LOS. Yes, they exist. One can see them almost everywhere, for example, as waitresses, hotel clerks, and prostitutes. I am friendly to them if and when I come into contact with them, but for the most part I ignore them and they don't bother me in the least.

Fake vagina doesn't self-lubrificate, fake vagina is less deeper, all women with vagina have their own smell while transexuals don't really have aroma. Women have uterus, ovaries, fallopian while transexuals still have prostate. It only makes the external appearance look like vagina.

Let's move the transexual topic from the pattaya thread to shit in Thailand thread. Let's talk about shit on there. That thread is bombarded by ladyboys. If you guys keep talking about ladyboys, many homophobic newbies won't go to Pattaya to monger.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2347249]I have shagged around 500 girls and I never ended up in my hotel room naked with an "attractive" girl with a cock. And if I did I wouldn't freak out. Shit happens. 555. I would admit it.
[/QUOTE]Jeez only 500 Natty, that's just 1 a week over 10 years. Repeats not withstanding always figured you would be in the thousands.

Not pretending to be an expert you know but pussies come in all shapes and sizes. I can imagine a slit style entrance that if the lights were off, the buzz was up, the opening was deep enough, the face, tits and body were OK to the touch the voice was soft and I hadn't bothered to check the adam's apple who knows. I did get a blow job once from what I thought was a cute lady in Koh samui which was one of the best I've had and was told afterwards it was a post op ladyboy. There was no sex but if true I never knew.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347885]If you guys keep talking about ladyboys, many homophobic newbies won't go to Pattaya to monger.[/QUOTE]Those homophobic newbies are usually the guys who inadvertently end up having sex with ladyboys, so maybe it's better if they are well informed.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2347741]That's not the question here. If you pick up a Transgender in Pattaya there is absolutely the chance that you will not find out, if born as woman or not! - even if you touch inside the pussy etc. The skin feels natural not like 20 years ago. If they spend a lot of money they get perfect operation and when they start with hormone therapy in young age, then all your super knowledge will not help you![/QUOTE]No serial poster on ISG is going to admit that he possibly accidentally sessioned a transgender. That would go against their intent for posting which is usually to impress.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2347917]No serial poster on ISG is going to admit that he possibly accidentally sessioned a transgender. That would go against their intent for posting which is usually to impress.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. I have over 3000 posts and I will admit that I possibly (likely) accidentally sessioned a transgender. My first trip to Amsterdam I was young and naive. I sessioned a couple of Thai girls who I thought were fantastic back then. I thought they were the hottest girls I had seen or been with at the time. But looking back on it, I am pretty certain those were post-op trannies. Would I have sessioned them had I known that? Hell no! But I'm not here to impress anyone, just to share stories, look at photos of hot girls, have a few laughs, and perhaps pick up a few details I didn't know. I'll admit it when I screwed up back in the day. Hopefully I'm clever enough now to be able to tell the difference.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2347944]I don't know about that. I have over 3000 posts and I will admit that I possibly (likely) accidentally sessioned a transgender. My first trip to Amsterdam I was young and naive. I sessioned a couple of Thai girls who I thought were fantastic back then. I thought they were the hottest girls I had seen or been with at the time. But looking back on it, I am pretty certain those were post-op trannies. Would I have sessioned them had I known that? Hell no! But I'm not here to impress anyone, just to share stories, look at photos of hot girls, have a few laughs, and perhaps pick up a few details I didn't know. I'll admit it when I screwed up back in the day. Hopefully I'm clever enough now to be able to tell the difference.[/QUOTE]That's why studying medicine makes you less naive. Anyway we have to change the thread from pattaya to ladyboy. Good name for the thread, shit about ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2347917]No serial poster on ISG is going to admit that he possibly accidentally sessioned a transgender. That would go against their intent for posting which is usually to impress.[/QUOTE]Come on Turgid (1793 posts), don't assume you can speak for anyone except yourself. Nattybumpo here (2443 post counting this one), and I am saying that if I was ever fooled as in if I found out later that I had DFK'd or recieved a BBBJ from a LB; I would admit it and learn from my mistake. What's the big deal?

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347948]That's why studying medicine makes you less naive. Anyway we have to change the thread from pattaya to ladyboy. Good name for the thread, shit about ladyboys.[/QUOTE]I agree. No more from me on this subject. I think it is all going to be deleted anyway.

Just got word that the mongering brother Pana NYC has passed on. I will have to go hit a couple on Soi 6 in his memory since that was his favorite spot. He was a rather young guy. Have fun while it lasts gentlemen. Tomorrow is not promised.

Hello forum,

I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.

I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=SmartBoyMgg;2347999]Hello forum,

I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.

I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]SmartBoyMgg There is a somewhat controversial saying " Work Sets You Free. " I suggest you Read The Fucking Forums, RTFF, and all your questions will be answered. On the other hand you can send me110,000 TBH and I will meet you at the airport and be your guide for 5 days and after such time you will know all you do regarding getting laid in Pattaya. Alternatively read back 20 pages and you will be a much SmarterBoyMgg.

Rob.

Wanted to add one thing that may help create some confusion in retrospect after an encounter. I don't know the right scientific name, but I call them 'motor skills', that are differences between how men and women perform certain movements or make certain choices, like running, taking off clothes, choosing which side of the bed to sleep, placing the stationary phone back to the set, and many more. So here sometimes when you recall the night you may feel uncomfortable when the girl in question exhibited predominantly male 'motor skills'.

[QUOTE=SmartBoyMgg;2347999]Hello forum,

I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.

I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]The better question, and a real mystery, is "Where can you not find sex in Pattaya."

[QUOTE=SmartBoyMgg;2347999]Hello forum,

I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.

I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Pretty much the entire town. WS, LK Metro and surrounding, Soi 6 would be the main areas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347604]LOL. I am saying you can tell the contestants are dudes by looking at them. You are saying you have to rely on the title to contain ladyboy to know they are men. Pook Bar and whatever others do not say anything about ladyboy in the name, but if you walk by it is obvious to your eyes that all the mfs working there are ladyboys. The sign outside at Tiffany Show does not say shit about ladyboys, but if you bought a ticket and went inside it would be obvious to everyone except you and MFS that there were ladyboys performing and not women.[/QUOTE]Just stop and get off the soapbox you are so keen to step on all the time. I never said I had to reply on a title. That's just your poor reading comprehension and inability to be clever. Remember, you brought up being able to point out a LB at a LB pageant. LOL at that.

Hi all,

Can any one please give me the inputs about inr currency exchange in Pattaya.

I planned to load in my forex card but it is costing around 49 k inr for 20 k baht.

What if we exchange directly over there how much it costs me for 20 k baht.

And can we carry around 50 to 60 k inr or 20 to 30 k baht currency notes?? Any problems in airports.

Have used the debit card at Jakarta and got a good exchange rate rather than using the Forex card (Involves initial setup cost).

The international Debit does charge the premium how ever I noticed was equal to the Commission given to money changers. Also the exchange rates through the Master card and Visa directly are better at ATM on debit card than what is loaded via the Forex.

Not sure of the Thai Bhat and rules in LOS.

OS.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2349751]Hi all,

Can any one please give me the inputs about inr currency exchange in Pattaya.

I planned to load in my forex card but it is costing around 49 k inr for 20 k baht.

What if we exchange directly over there how much it costs me for 20 k baht.

And can we carry around 50 to 60 k inr or 20 to 30 k baht currency notes?? Any problems in airports.[/QUOTE]

I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.

Currently I have read from pages 130 to 50 and I will summarize what I have learned from the hours I have spent reading this fountain of information.

I have 50 more pages to go, which I am sure will only add to my wealth of wisdom.

Armed with this wisdom I am going to tear Pattaya up, get all the good girls, save a bunch of money and make Pattaya my ***** as I make the city bend to my will due to my high level knowledge and insider secrets that I have obtained from the many good intentioned and less than honorable punters who spend their time sharing such pearls of wisdom. Thank you all for your contributions.

Armed with this knowledge, what could possibly go wrong?

I learned that Line is the WhatsApp of Asia. The location feature is country specific and not available in Thailand.

I learned there is a website called cupid, which is where you can hook up with "semi" pros that are pros at what they do.

I learned that Tinder in Thailand is for losers and freaks.

I learned that Bangcock vs Pattaya is an argument that is "to each his own". Comparing a big city vibe to a beach scene is silly but people still try to do it. It's the same silly argument everywhere, San Jose vs Jaco, Cartagena vs Medellin or Bogota, etc. A useless silly argument trying to claim an apple is better than an orange.

I learned that one's man's trash is another man's treasure. What one guy thinks is nice another thinks is trash and vice versa. The old adage still applies, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

I learned that common pricing is as follows, skank beach walkers 500-1,000, average bar girls and freelancers 1,000 – 1,800 and hot go-go girls 2,000 – 4,000.

I learned that Russian girls are white, expensive and not good fucks.

I learned that many posters, or should I say posers, like to stir the shit on the board and offer no real, useful or informative information.

I learned that people ask stupid questions too often instead of doing the basic research themselves and spending a little time reading through the forum or watching a few You Tube videos.

I learned that pubic hair, commonly referred to as Bush, still grows on woman's private parts. Older men don't seem to mind it and sometimes prefer it. Younger guys don't like it, have no idea what that hair is and think it might be an Asian disease.

I learned that if a girl is telling you to try out her friend or trying to encourage you to another girl, it is because she doesn't want to fuck you. If you insist, you will be disappointed.

I learned that the Windmill is a disgusting place that men finger women for 10 baht and eat smelly pussy on stage. Cheap Charlie's like to go there and get cheap thrills with no intention of BF a girl.

I learned that prostate surgery will ruin your sex life.

I learned that Thailand is no different than mongering anywhere else in the world, performance is inversely proportionate to the costs.

I learned that cramps, especially leg cramps, can be avoided with water, salt and magnesium. Sex enhancing pills can cause cramping.

I learned that soapies suck unless you like soapies, then they are great.

I learned that you will be criticized if you pay too much, pay too little or don't pay at all and get free pussy instead. No matter what you did, you did it wrong.

I learned that mongers that overpay do so because of their egos, because they have no game or negotiation skills or a combination of both.

I learned that some posters / posers run their girls and some let their girls run them.

I learned that some people think the price is the same for everyone, like they are shopping at Macy's for a sweater. They don't grasp the concept that working girls are just woman that have likes and dislikes and charge accordingly.

I learned that it is not a good idea to get a suit tailor made.

I learned that some people travel half way around the world to pay the equivalent of $300 USD - $500 USD to bang a girl for an hour, pay for her drinks, food and entertainment and watch her sleep for the other 8 hours.

I learned that some people think it is wrong if you repeat with a girl that rocks your world and makes you happy, they feel you are obligated to bang a different girl every session. I suspect this is due to not having a lot of woman that want to repeat with them, so they have not seen the benefits that come with chemistry and the elevated comfort level that comes with repeats.

I learned that Krispy Kreme is available in Bangkok but not in Pattaya.

I learned that KFC and Taco Bell do not exist in Pattaya.

I learned that sex workers are lazy. They only want to fuck and do not like to clean rooms or wait tables instead.

I learned that "pro" is either short for Professional or Prostitute, which one you think it is depends on your education level and your ability to apply common sense.

I learned that smoking indoors causes smoke to be indoors.

I learned that a great story about your New Year's trip to Pattaya, should not be in December.

I learned that Cuba is a great place for GFE action, if you don't mind unsafe places, socialism and high crime.

I learned that Pattaya girls have a lot of bad tattoo's and plan on getting more.

I learned that some Thai woman adhere to their culture and do not shave their legs. Some guys don't mind and some guys think it's disgusting.

I learned that if her stage name is "Meow", she probably has 20 cats at home and best to take her to your hotel instead of going to her place where you might be butchered and fed to cats as cat food.

I learned that potholes reoccur on the streets of Pattaya in 3 months or less. I learned the reasons why potholes form and there is a tin foil hat conspiracy that some girls use a pick axe to create them to get you slow down in front of their bars.

I learned that too many mongers think you have to go to a bar to meet a girl, despite walking past 1,000's of girls to get the bar.

I learned that Vietnamese girls in Thailand are lousy lays but if you go to Vietnam, they are good lays.

I learned that like anywhere else in monger world, paying upfront is a bad idea and never works out.

I learned that Thai girls like to eat food. They like to order food and not eat the food. They like to eat the food but only if they ordered it. They like to watch food spoil. They only like to eat fresh food and not leftovers.

I learned that Jomtein is for gay guys.

I learned that Germany has white woman and most of them are shockingly from Europe.

I learned that you should ask a girl if she does anal before you agree to take her with you. It is also a good idea to ask her if she does anal before you try to actually put it in her ass. If you are going to do anal with a girl who doesn't like or want anal, have her do reverse cowgirl, somehow this is magical and she will suddenly want anal.

I learned that if you are of Indian decent, you will not get laid in Pattaya, unless of course, you actually make an effort to get laid in Pattaya, then it is no problem where you are from because it's about bar drinks, being civil and paying money to the girl for sex.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2349751]Hi all,

Can any one please give me the inputs about inr currency exchange in Pattaya.

I planned to load in my forex card but it is costing around 49 k inr for 20 k baht.

What if we exchange directly over there how much it costs me for 20 k baht.

And can we carry around 50 to 60 k inr or 20 to 30 k baht currency notes?? Any problems in airports.[/QUOTE]You obviously have a computer so have someone show you how to use your search engine and see what the rate is INR vs TBH. If it is more then your bank is offering take currency and exchange it on ground. You can take up to $10,000 USD into Thailand so I think your 50,000 INR will be ok. You should have an enjoyable 3 days in Pattaya.

You Sir have truly read back 130 pages.

The only error is that you say there is no KFC in Thailand! There is, as I can not imagine any true Asian not wanting oily fried chicken and rice at every chance they can.

My Scottish friend may take offence about the Jomtien / Gay reference unless of course by Gay you mean Russian.

You will have a ball my friend.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2350071]The only error is that you say there is no KFC in Thailand![/QUOTE]No KFC or Taco Bell in Pattaya ws what he said. I'm not sure if there is or not, been many years since I've been to Pattaya. KFC in BKK is crap.

He pretty much nailed the rest on the head, it was a fun read.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]Armed with this wisdom I am going to tear Pattaya up, get all the good girls, save a bunch of money and make Pattaya my ***** as I make the city bend to my will due to my high level knowledge and insider secrets that I have obtained from the many good intentioned and less than honorable punters who spend their time sharing such pearls of wisdom. Thank you all for your contributions.

I learned that you will be criticized if you pay too much, pay too little or don't pay at all and get free pussy instead. No matter what you did, you did it wrong.[/QUOTE]Man that was post of the year. I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard and will put it in ROD. Only problem I see is that you should have put you read instead of you learned, because a lot of the info was either incorrect or outdated.

For years a buddy has been asking me, "Where did you get that chick?" My answer kept being Tinder, Tinder, Tinder. Two weeks ago he finally got on Tinder and now you can't get him to leave the house.

There are hot beach walkers and stank gogo girls you know? You can bargain with the beach walker, but the stankiest gogo chick is going to run you the same as the hottest one. I guess you didn't read far enough back to learn about the 200 baht crack shacks.

All 3 of the Russian chicks that I have fucked have been free and acted like my dick was the last thing they would ever get in life. Of course the last one that I showed a buddy a picture of, he said that chick is a hooker. Well she stayed all night and didn't ask for me any money! (Tinder as a matter of fact.)

Windmill got busted a couple weeks back for prostitution and having a worker that was too young. Don't know if they face the same fate as the bar on Soi 6, which is to be closed for 10 years.

Good idea to get clothes made. Just don't get them made at the wrong shop. My second time to Thailand I had some clothes made by the guy next to Nana Shopping in Bangkok. The shirts were so horrible that I left them at the hotel reception. I wore a pair of the pants back on the plane and they split at the crotch on the first flight. But I have a couple of great places in Pattaya that I have been going to for years.

There is a Krispy Kreme in Pattaya.

There are at least 5 KFCs in Pattaya.

Vietnamese chicks in Vietnam are lousy lays.

Everything else is pretty much accurate!

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]Peals of Wisdom. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.[/QUOTE]I've been on this forum for around 20 years. I can't recall any information that actually helped me in mongering in Thailand. But I do like reading and sharing the stories as well as viewing the photos.

There is absolutely no need to read the forum to gather information for a place like Pattaya/Bangkok. Any fool can go there on his own and figure things out easily by himself.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2349751]Hi all,

Can any one please give me the inputs about inr currency exchange in Pattaya.

I planned to load in my forex card but it is costing around 49 k inr for 20 k baht.

What if we exchange directly over there how much it costs me for 20 k baht.

And can we carry around 50 to 60 k inr or 20 to 30 k baht currency notes?? Any problems in airports.[/QUOTE]Conversion from INR or USD is equally easier. Carrying forex card may be safe but you will have to pay for each withdrawl.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350345]I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings. I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.[/QUOTE]But I am sure you subliminally absorbed a lot. Just remember that the most intricate and well made plans go out the window the minute you unpack and hit the sois. Pattaya is a wild & crazy smorgasbord of sex on demand. Know the general areas of interest like Walking Street, LK Metro, Soi 6, Beach Road among others, write down on a a piece of paper a few of the places that sounded the most interesting to you after having done the research, and their price ranges. Nothing can really prepare you for what you are about to experience. No two trips are the same. So all you have to do is show up and let the good times roll.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2350174]No KFC or Taco Bell in Pattaya ws what he said. I'm not sure if there is or not, been many years since I've been to Pattaya. KFC in BKK is crap.

He pretty much nailed the rest on the head, it was a fun read.[/QUOTE]No he didn't. His BS and lies about Cuba is completely out of line. He obviously doesn't learn well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2350307]...

There is absolutely no need to read the forum to gather information for a place like Pattaya/Bangkok. Any fool can go there on his own and figure things out easily by himself.[/QUOTE]Once you arrive in the destination and take a look around the area enough to see where the bars, shops, clubs and girls are, hardly kept secret and takes about an hour in Pattaya and maybe 90 minutes in Bangkok, you'll have at least 95% of the information you'll need to get laid that day or night as a newbie as well as any decades long veteran of the area and contributor to these forums.

Yeah, it is useful to know the going rate in this or that venue or option, the length of time to expect for the money, what are the latest scams to avoid. But if someone is fine with basic condom covered full service and does not require much more than that to feel he has scored well, then virtually any and every P4P girl in Thailand is at your disposal and service for her going rate. And she will practically if not literally take you by the hand and guide you through the process even if you never heard of the Internet.

It gets a little trickier if you want or need something more than that kind of basic Thai style P4P fare, i.e. Anal, BBBJ+CIM, Rimming, etc. But even that kind of stuff is so well accepted as reasonable options they show up on shop and venue menus. There is no stigma or risk of serious push back for simply asking for it.

However, Bareback/BBFS is a different matter in Thailand for now. Getting that is a bit trickier and not so commonplace, quite a bit trickier and a relatively major challenge if you want or need to get an upfront agreement for it from the girl before you take her. But there is very little anyone can learn here for how to make that latter part happen, no clever patter or methods to ensure it will happen. You just have to go out there and start including it in your conversations with the girls, take the buzzkill hit when it doesn't work or go over well and see what works for you.

Things like where the best looking girls are, the wildest party atmosphere, the most fun to be had and all that can change from night to night if not hour to hour in these destinations. Field Reports are interesting to read as history or examples of that poster's pulp fiction porn writing skills but certainly don't predict the future for anyone else.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.

Currently I have read from pages 130 to 50 and I will summarize what I have learned from the hours I have spent reading this fountain of information.

I have 50 more pages to go, which I am sure will only add to my wealth of wisdom.

Armed with this wisdom I am going to tear Pattaya up, get all the good girls, save a bunch of money and make Pattaya my ***** as I make the city bend to my will due to my high level knowledge and insider secrets that I have obtained from the many good intentioned and less than honorable punters who spend their time sharing such pearls of wisdom. Thank you all for your contributions.

Armed with this knowledge, what could possibly go wrong?

I learned that Line is the WhatsApp of Asia. The location feature is country specific and not available in Thailand.

I learned there is a website called cupid, which is where you can hook up with "semi" pros that are pros at what they do.

I learned that Tinder in Thailand is for losers and freaks.

I learned that Bangcock vs Pattaya is an argument that is "to each his own". Comparing a big city vibe to a beach scene is silly but people still try to do it. It's the same silly argument everywhere, San Jose vs Jaco, Cartagena vs Medellin or Bogota, etc. A useless silly argument trying to claim an apple is better than an orange.

I learned that one's man's trash is another man's treasure. What one guy thinks is nice another thinks is trash and vice versa. The old adage still applies, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

I learned that common pricing is as follows, skank beach walkers 500-1,000, average bar girls and freelancers 1,000 1,800 and hot go-go girls 2,000 4,000.

I learned that Russian girls are white, expensive and not good fucks.

I learned that many posters, or should I say posers, like to stir the shit on the board and offer no real, useful or informative information.

I learned that people ask stupid questions too often instead of doing the basic research themselves and spending a little time reading through the forum or watching a few You Tube videos.

I learned that pubic hair, commonly referred to as Bush, still grows on woman's private parts. Older men don't seem to mind it and sometimes prefer it. Younger guys don't like it, have no idea what that hair is and think it might be an Asian disease.

I learned that if a girl is telling you to try out her friend or trying to encourage you to another girl, it is because she doesn't want to fuck you. If you insist, you will be disappointed.

I learned that the Windmill is a disgusting place that men finger women for 10 baht and eat smelly pussy on stage. Cheap Charlie's like to go there and get cheap thrills with no intention of BF a girl.

I learned that prostate surgery will ruin your sex life.

I learned that Thailand is no different than mongering anywhere else in the world, performance is inversely proportionate to the costs.

I learned that cramps, especially leg cramps, can be avoided with water, salt and magnesium. Sex enhancing pills can cause cramping.

I learned that soapies suck unless you like soapies, then they are great.

I learned that you will be criticized if you pay too much, pay too little or don't pay at all and get free pussy instead. No matter what you did, you did it wrong.

I learned that mongers that overpay do so because of their egos, because they have no game or negotiation skills or a combination of both.

I learned that some posters / posers run their girls and some let their girls run them.

I learned that some people think the price is the same for everyone, like they are shopping at Macy's for a sweater. They don't grasp the concept that working girls are just woman that have likes and dislikes and charge accordingly.

I learned that it is not a good idea to get a suit tailor made.

I learned that some people travel half way around the world to pay the equivalent of $300 USD - $500 USD to bang a girl for an hour, pay for her drinks, food and entertainment and watch her sleep for the other 8 hours.

I learned that some people think it is wrong if you repeat with a girl that rocks your world and makes you happy, they feel you are obligated to bang a different girl every session. I suspect this is due to not having a lot of woman that want to repeat with them, so they have not seen the benefits that come with chemistry and the elevated comfort level that comes with repeats.

I learned that Krispy Kreme is available in Bangkok but not in Pattaya.

I learned that KFC and Taco Bell do not exist in Pattaya.

I learned that sex workers are lazy. They only want to fuck and do not like to clean rooms or wait tables instead.

I learned that "pro" is either short for Professional or Prostitute, which one you think it is depends on your education level and your ability to apply common sense.

I learned that smoking indoors causes smoke to be indoors.

I learned that a great story about your New Year's trip to Pattaya, should not be in December.

I learned that Cuba is a great place for GFE action, if you don't mind unsafe places, socialism and high crime.

I learned that Pattaya girls have a lot of bad tattoo's and plan on getting more.

I learned that some Thai woman adhere to their culture and do not shave their legs. Some guys don't mind and some guys think it's disgusting.

I learned that if her stage name is "Meow", she probably has 20 cats at home and best to take her to your hotel instead of going to her place where you might be butchered and fed to cats as cat food.

I learned that potholes reoccur on the streets of Pattaya in 3 months or less. I learned the reasons why potholes form and there is a tin foil hat conspiracy that some girls use a pick axe to create them to get you slow down in front of their bars.

I learned that too many mongers think you have to go to a bar to meet a girl, despite walking past 1,000's of girls to get the bar.

I learned that Vietnamese girls in Thailand are lousy lays but if you go to Vietnam, they are good lays.

I learned that like anywhere else in monger world, paying upfront is a bad idea and never works out.

I learned that Thai girls like to eat food. They like to order food and not eat the food. They like to eat the food but only if they ordered it. They like to watch food spoil. They only like to eat fresh food and not leftovers.

I learned that Jomtein is for gay guys.

I learned that Germany has white woman and most of them are shockingly from Europe.

I learned that you should ask a girl if she does anal before you agree to take her with you. It is also a good idea to ask her if she does anal before you try to actually put it in her ass. If you are going to do anal with a girl who doesn't like or want anal, have her do reverse cowgirl, somehow this is magical and she will suddenly want anal.

I learned that if you are of Indian decent, you will not get laid in Pattaya, unless of course, you actually make an effort to get laid in Pattaya, then it is no problem where you are from because it's about bar drinks, being civil and paying money to the girl for sex.[/QUOTE]Great post.

Couple of things:

1. Line is not WhatsApp of "asia" but rather "south-east asia".

2. ThaiCupid can be great for those who have time to chat up the girl.

3. Good Viet can be found at soi 4 bars, just sitting there but not as bar girls. So no direct bar fine. Just go talk to them and ask for services (without being a creep ofcourse). Met 2 this month.

4. Yes Pattaya is tough for Indians, but just act like a guy who is there to spend money (and actually spend money) and it will be fine. And don't overpay for any service.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2350587]1. Line is not WhatsApp of "asia" but rather "south-east asia".[/QUOTE]Whatsapp is far more popular than Line in Indonesia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2350612]Whatsapp is far more popular than Line in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]So true. I have a trip to Indo in September and only a handful of girls use LINE. Most use WhatsApp.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2350179]Vietnamese chicks in Vietnam are lousy lays.[/QUOTE]That sir, is not true at all. Viet girls in Vietnam are as hot as they come and will show you a great time. That has been my personal experience. However, it is not convenient to monger in Vietnam anymore. And without the convenience it is not my preferred destination.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2350612]Whatsapp is far more popular than Line in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Whatssapp is great: you can copy paste translate in their language. Very popular in Dominican Republic, too. I mean if you want to get to know the girl. Some girls post updates photos jokes videos in the status feature of the app so you can kinda see what they are doing and get a peek at their personalities. It's like a mini facebook only you can you can look without being identified that you looked unless you reply to what they posted. Cheers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2350578]Once you arrive in the destination and take a look around the area enough to see where the bars, shops, clubs and girls are, hardly kept secret and takes about an hour in Pattaya and maybe 90 minutes in Bangkok, you'll have at least 95% of the information you'll need to get laid that day or night as a newbie as well as any decades long veteran of the area and contributor to these forums.

Yeah, it is useful to know the going rate in this or that venue or option, the length of time to expect for the money, what are the latest scams to avoid. But if someone is fine with basic condom covered full service and does not require much more than that to feel he has scored well, then virtually any and every P4P girl in Thailand is at your disposal and service for her going rate. And she will practically if not literally take you by the hand and guide you through the process even if you never heard of the Internet.

It gets a little trickier if you want or need something more than that kind of basic Thai style P4P fare, i.e. Anal, BBBJ+CIM, Rimming, etc. But even that kind of stuff is so well accepted as reasonable options they show up on shop and venue menus. There is no stigma or risk of serious push back for simply asking for it.

However, Bareback/BBFS is a different matter in Thailand for now. Getting that is a bit trickier and not so commonplace, quite a bit trickier and a relatively major challenge if you want or need to get an upfront agreement for it from the girl before you take her. But there is very little anyone can learn here for how to make that latter part happen, no clever patter or methods to ensure it will happen. You just have to go out there and start including it in your conversations with the girls, take the buzzkill hit when it doesn't work or go over well and see what works for you..[/QUOTE]Touche' and bravo Mr Tooms! R. O. D!

Hi brothers,

I am reaching Pattaya next week and would like to know what is the current USD to THB rate. I have checked websites and I also know for a fact that the actual rate is different from what's on the websites. So any brother living in Pattaya can please let me know what is the current rate. Thanks a ton!

Mcfuck.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2351356]Hi brothers,

I am reaching Pattaya next week and would like to know what is the current USD to THB rate. I have checked websites and I also know for a fact that the actual rate is different from what's on the websites. So any brother living in Pattaya can please let me know what is the current rate. Thanks a ton!

Mcfuck.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.superrichthailand.com/[/URL]#en.

I always get the same rate at the exchange office as on the website.

Get the Calculator2 app from the Microsoft Store. The basic calculator2 app is free, but the $1. 95 upgrade comes with a live wifi Currency Converter, a very useful Unit Converter, a Financial Calculator, a Scientific Calculator, and a Programmer Calculator. This is a good app to have on your cell phone when you travel.

[URL]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/calculator/9wzdncrfhwxl?activetab=pivot:overviewtab[/URL]

You, Sir, win the Interwebs today.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.

Currently I have read from pages 130 to 50 and I will summarize what I have learned from the hours I have spent reading this fountain of information.

I have 50 more pages to go, which I am sure will only add to my wealth of wisdom.

Armed with this wisdom I am going to tear Pattaya up, get all the good girls, save a bunch of money and make Pattaya my ***** as I make the city bend to my will due to my high level knowledge and insider secrets that I have obtained from the many good intentioned and less than honorable punters who spend their time sharing such pearls of wisdom. Thank you all for your contributions.

Armed with this knowledge, what could possibly go wrong?

I learned that Line is the WhatsApp of Asia. The location feature is country specific and not available in Thailand.

I learned there is a website called cupid, which is where you can hook up with "semi" pros that are pros at what they do.

I learned that Tinder in Thailand is for losers and freaks.

I learned that Bangcock vs Pattaya is an argument that is "to each his own". Comparing a big city vibe to a beach scene is silly but people still try to do it. It's the same silly argument everywhere, San Jose vs Jaco, Cartagena vs Medellin or Bogota, etc. A useless silly argument trying to claim an apple is better than an orange.

I learned that one's man's trash is another man's treasure. What one guy thinks is nice another thinks is trash and vice versa. The old adage still applies, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

I learned that common pricing is as follows, skank beach walkers 500-1,000, average bar girls and freelancers 1,000 1,800 and hot go-go girls 2,000 4,000.

I learned that Russian girls are white, expensive and not good fucks.

I learned that many posters, or should I say posers, like to stir the shit on the board and offer no real, useful or informative information.

I learned that people ask stupid questions too often instead of doing the basic research themselves and spending a little time reading through the forum or watching a few You Tube videos.

I learned that pubic hair, commonly referred to as Bush, still grows on woman's private parts. Older men don't seem to mind it and sometimes prefer it. Younger guys don't like it, have no idea what that hair is and think it might be an Asian disease.

I learned that if a girl is telling you to try out her friend or trying to encourage you to another girl, it is because she doesn't want to fuck you. If you insist, you will be disappointed.

I learned that the Windmill is a disgusting place that men finger women for 10 baht and eat smelly pussy on stage. Cheap Charlie's like to go there and get cheap thrills with no intention of BF a girl.

I learned that prostate surgery will ruin your sex life.

I learned that Thailand is no different than mongering anywhere else in the world, performance is inversely proportionate to the costs.

I learned that cramps, especially leg cramps, can be avoided with water, salt and magnesium. Sex enhancing pills can cause cramping.

I learned that soapies suck unless you like soapies, then they are great.

I learned that you will be criticized if you pay too much, pay too little or don't pay at all and get free pussy instead. No matter what you did, you did it wrong.

I learned that mongers that overpay do so because of their egos, because they have no game or negotiation skills or a combination of both.

I learned that some posters / posers run their girls and some let their girls run them.

I learned that some people think the price is the same for everyone, like they are shopping at Macy's for a sweater. They don't grasp the concept that working girls are just woman that have likes and dislikes and charge accordingly.

I learned that it is not a good idea to get a suit tailor made.

I learned that some people travel half way around the world to pay the equivalent of $300 USD - $500 USD to bang a girl for an hour, pay for her drinks, food and entertainment and watch her sleep for the other 8 hours.

I learned that some people think it is wrong if you repeat with a girl that rocks your world and makes you happy, they feel you are obligated to bang a different girl every session. I suspect this is due to not having a lot of woman that want to repeat with them, so they have not seen the benefits that come with chemistry and the elevated comfort level that comes with repeats.

I learned that Krispy Kreme is available in Bangkok but not in Pattaya.

I learned that KFC and Taco Bell do not exist in Pattaya.

I learned that sex workers are lazy. They only want to fuck and do not like to clean rooms or wait tables instead.

I learned that "pro" is either short for Professional or Prostitute, which one you think it is depends on your education level and your ability to apply common sense.

I learned that smoking indoors causes smoke to be indoors.

I learned that a great story about your New Year's trip to Pattaya, should not be in December.

I learned that Cuba is a great place for GFE action, if you don't mind unsafe places, socialism and high crime.

I learned that Pattaya girls have a lot of bad tattoo's and plan on getting more.

I learned that some Thai woman adhere to their culture and do not shave their legs. Some guys don't mind and some guys think it's disgusting.

I learned that if her stage name is "Meow", she probably has 20 cats at home and best to take her to your hotel instead of going to her place where you might be butchered and fed to cats as cat food.

I learned that potholes reoccur on the streets of Pattaya in 3 months or less. I learned the reasons why potholes form and there is a tin foil hat conspiracy that some girls use a pick axe to create them to get you slow down in front of their bars.

I learned that too many mongers think you have to go to a bar to meet a girl, despite walking past 1,000's of girls to get the bar.

I learned that Vietnamese girls in Thailand are lousy lays but if you go to Vietnam, they are good lays.

I learned that like anywhere else in monger world, paying upfront is a bad idea and never works out.

I learned that Thai girls like to eat food. They like to order food and not eat the food. They like to eat the food but only if they ordered it. They like to watch food spoil. They only like to eat fresh food and not leftovers.

I learned that Jomtein is for gay guys.

I learned that Germany has white woman and most of them are shockingly from Europe.

I learned that you should ask a girl if she does anal before you agree to take her with you. It is also a good idea to ask her if she does anal before you try to actually put it in her ass. If you are going to do anal with a girl who doesn't like or want anal, have her do reverse cowgirl, somehow this is magical and she will suddenly want anal.

I learned that if you are of Indian decent, you will not get laid in Pattaya, unless of course, you actually make an effort to get laid in Pattaya, then it is no problem where you are from because it's about bar drinks, being civil and paying money to the girl for sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.

[/QUOTE]Very funny! Thanks for the time you spent reading and writing!

There is a KFC is the new mall and, get this, they have Fee Refills! Except for the fact you can't get a good ole chicken breast there or a biscuit, it is almost like being home.

I have heard a Taco Bell opened up in Bangkok. I love TB. Where I live, I eat off the dollar menu and, with the free senior drinks, I can eat and be full for $2. 14! I just hope they didn't dink around with the menu.

Is windmill closed down for good?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2351627]Is windmill closed down for good?[/QUOTE]I was there two nights ago. They are open and nothing has changed.

[QUOTE=Allover;2351925]I was there two nights ago. They are open and nothing has changed.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that is good news. It's a great place to start the night with a sticky finger or 2. If you can manage to get a seat.

I'm all set to arrive there on Saturday night for 10 nights. I will be staying at my all time favourite LK Empress. Long flight from Switzerland.

If any monger wants to hang out or go for a beer, just let me know.

Happy mongering.

P.S.- attaches is some of the girl I previously spent time with.

In Pattaya now. It's still lots if fun but, as others have noted, expensive. Walking Street go go barfines usually start at B1500 and lower to B1000 after midnight. I used to Barfine every night but not anymore due to cost. Some of my favorites from visits during the past 2 weeks are: Tantra, Fahrenheit, Baccara, and Rich. I rate Living Dolls and Pinup with the best talent this trip. Sapphire has been my favorite for years but I thought the girls' looks seemed mediocre there this trip.

I thought the talent was pretty poor at: Tee Rak, Airport, Infinity, and SuperModel. Windmill is Windmill. Rowdy as ever. Happy expanded and seems more friendly to Western guys.

Beach Rd has some pretty decent talent these days. I usually don't bother with those girls but I took a Beach Rd girl on two different occasions last week. Ladyboys are still everywhere but they seem less aggressive and annoying this trip. Has anybody else noticed that? There are also fewer ladyboys on Beach Rd late at night (after 3 AM) than I have seen in years past. I should mention most of my nights out start at 10 pm when a lot of talent has already been barfined. Soi 6 is still hopping. Took a girl named Oh from Redpoint. Paid about B300 (can't remember) to the bar and B1000 to the girl. She initially asked for B1000 but quickly dropped her price to B800. She was good so I just gave her B1000.

I'm leaving town in a few days. Thanks to everybody for the info they provided here. I can't believe my trip is almost over. Dammit!

[QUOTE=Allover;2352126] Soi 6 is still hopping. Took a girl named Oh from Redpoint. Paid about B300 (can't remember) to the bar [/QUOTE]Rooms at Red Point cost 370 baht.

[QUOTE=Allover;2352126]In Pattaya now. It's still lots if fun but, as others have noted, expensive. Walking Street go go barfines usually start at B1500 and lower to B1000 after midnight. I used to Barfine every night but not anymore due to cost. Some of my favorites from visits during the past 2 weeks are: Tantra, Fahrenheit, Baccara, and Rich. I rate Living Dolls and Pinup with the best talent this trip. Sapphire has been my favorite for years but I thought the girls' looks seemed mediocre there this trip.

I thought the talent was pretty poor at: Tee Rak, Airport, Infinity, and SuperModel. Windmill is Windmill. Rowdy as ever. Happy expanded and seems more friendly to Western guys.

Beach Rd has some pretty decent talent these days. I usually don't bother with those girls but I took a Beach Rd girl on two different occasions last week. Ladyboys are still everywhere but they seem less aggressive and annoying this trip. Has anybody else noticed that? There are also fewer ladyboys on Beach Rd late at night (after 3 AM) than I have seen in years past. I should mention most of my nights out start at 10 pm when a lot of talent has already been barfined..[/QUOTE]Nice report.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2349751]Hi all,

Can any one please give me the inputs about inr currency exchange in Pattaya.

I planned to load in my forex card but it is costing around 49 k inr for 20 k baht.

What if we exchange directly over there how much it costs me for 20 k baht.

And can we carry around 50 to 60 k inr or 20 to 30 k baht currency notes?? Any problems in airports.[/QUOTE]As per the current exchange rate of 0. 44 you should get THB 22000 for INR 50000. There is absolutely no problem carrying that kind of cash into Thailand. The max you can carry is equivalant to 10000 USD.

[QUOTE=Allover;2352126]Took a girl named Oh from Redpoint. Paid about B300 (can't remember) to the bar and B1000 to the girl. She initially asked for B1000 but quickly dropped her price to B800.[/QUOTE]How many times have I said this was the case on Soi 6? It is nothing that is magically done for only me or only by ugly chicks.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2352227]As per the current exchange rate of 0. 44 you should get THB 22000 for INR 50000. There is absolutely no problem carrying that kind of cash into Thailand. The max you can carry is equivalant to 10000 USD.[/QUOTE]Only in foreign currency. The amount in THB is limited to 50000, unless you come from a neighbouring country.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347967]Just got word that the mongering brother Pana NYC has passed on. I will have to go hit a couple on Soi 6 in his memory since that was his favorite spot. He was a rather young guy. Have fun while it lasts gentlemen. Tomorrow is not promised.[/QUOTE]He was a good dude. A master of this game. He died way too soon and way too young.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]
Armed with this knowledge, what could possibly go wrong?
[/QUOTE]You are amazing. You truly learned a lot of good stuff, far beyond the norm. Does show that RTFF is more value than I thought possible. A lot of very balanced views and some amusing but all too true.

One point though, you may not realise fully that it is hard to learn from the mistakes of others. You maybe have to learn for yourself by making your own mistakes, but perhaps less times, as you will recall others that made a similar mistake. Normally one needs to make a mistake perhaps 3 times to really learn, but I trust you maybe can avoid that many mistakes.

The optimists are probably prone to mistakes more-so, so keeping a pessimistic outlook and then being pleasantly surprised can be better. You start aware of most of the pitfalls, and with somewhat realistic expectations, so that is great.

[QUOTE=Crazy666;2352088]I'm all set to arrive there on Saturday night for 10 nights. I will be staying at my all time favourite LK Empress. Long flight from Switzerland.

If any monger wants to hang out or go for a beer, just let me know.

Happy mongering.

P.S.- attaches is some of the girl I previously spent time with.[/QUOTE]Sure buddy, I am reaching this weekend, will PM you. Let's meet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2352230]How many times have I said this was the case on Soi 6? It is nothing that is magically done for only me or only by ugly chicks.[/QUOTE]Yes Mr. E it was specifically your report that led me to negotiate a lower price. Thank you. I gave her a B200 tip because we exchanged contact info. I may see her after hours.

Christian G you are correct about the room price of B370.

My wingman was making arrangements to rent a condo at View Talay 5 (B9000/ month) and so I wandered around Jomtien a bit. I remembered a gentleman's club somewhere nearby and checked my notes. Sure enough Kit Kat Club was very close. Kit Kat is on the baht bus route. Going towards Jomtien, get off the bus just before it makes the left turn onto Jomtien Beach Road. It's next to Country Roads which is visible from the main road. The club is owned by a man from The Netherlands.

I chatted with him briefly. Nice guy.

We visited at 5 pm on a Monday afternoon. There were about a dozen girls working. For me about 3-4 were doable. I eyed Opal and she quickly came over for a ladydrink. Apparently she found me to be irresistible as she was all over me immediately. She was 35 yrs old, black hair, lighter skin, and had a very sexy dress on. She was definitely one of the older girls there but they did have a few young ones. In a few minutes we were going upstairs to the room. The room had a raised, comfortable bed with flashing lights below it. The shower was in the room. Except for the bed's light show, the room standard was slightly better quality than you would normally see in a good short time hotel.

Opal performed quite well. BBBJ followed by covered boom boom in multiple positions. Cost was B1500 which included the room. Overall I had a very nice time here and will return on my next trip.

[QUOTE=Allover;2352670] Kit Kat is on the baht bus route. Going towards Jomtien, get off the bus just before it makes the left turn onto Jomtien Beach Road. It's next to Country Roads which is visible from the main road.[/QUOTE]Turn left? Coming from Pattaya to Jomtien, it makes turn right into Jomtien Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Allover;2352670] Opal performed quite well. BBBJ followed by covered boom boom in multiple positions. Cost was B1500 which included the room. Overall I had a very nice time here and will return on my next trip.[/QUOTE]I been there once last year with Banana Boi, girl quoted me 1500ST plus room fee, no thanks.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2351627]Is windmill closed down for good?[/QUOTE]I have one of the hotter girls from there (other than a totally hacked up stomach) on Line. She was set to head to Bangkok to work, thinking the bar would be shut down. Everything is pretty much the same, so she is stayed.

Report on Pattaya 2 weeks, July, 2019. Old man, still called handsome, but old. No raging hormones here, use my big head more these days.

General conditions in Pattaya. For more detailed info, including, specific guesthouses, prices, transportation, netcafes, walking street, tips on saving money, soi 6, etc, google ************** If you are a rich, (stupid, money no object) horny monger who just wants sex, Pattaya is still a go. If you don't mind paying in advance bar fines that average 500-2000 baht in hopes your take home girl will perform, Pattaya is still a go. Lots of selection, many very pretty with enhanced tits, but mostly young and stupid with few speaking English with any facility.

If you're like me and don't pay in advance (cardinal rule of mongering) do not waste your money and time on Pattaya. Almost impossible to separate the girls from their bar owner chains and avoid bar fines, etc. I even got a hotel ON soy 6 within a few meters of all the bars and found it impossible to get them to shortime on their own, without paying a barfine even if you try to meet them off work hours. I think many LIVE on site, so hard to do.

Got laid 3 times, one of which was good. Still some good ones on Beach Road, but hit or miss on performance and they hide their fat baby damaged bodies making it impossible to see what you're paying for and non-professional, hard-core. Detailed info including specific hotels, transport, prices, tips for saving money google ************** The one good lay and massage was free from a woman I picked up on the Baht bus, older woman but still attractive and good personality. Other was beach road fatty who disguised it but still nice personality and wanting to please. Other was a pretty 23 year old that did not know how to fuck and I threw her out.

Pattaya is a overpriced tourist trap town now with Thais that can barely conceal their disdain for you and just want your money and want you to leave. Many Thais are ill-mannered and discourteous compared to Filipinos and quick to anger, if you do not agree with them. Pattaya prices were 40-100% higher than Dumaguete.

Pattaya vs Dumaguete:

Dumaguete friendly, accommodating, cheap. Pattaya many attractive whrs, very business mercenary, Dumaguete, hard to find attractive, but easy and cheap to get with often GFE. Pattaya expensive, unfriendly, not accomodating. Dumaguete, speaks some English. Pattaya, nostly forget it, you must have Thai. Dumaguete, easy to get around, cheap reliable transport. Pattaya, spread out, hard to get around, hard to find things, transport corrupt, expensive and unreliable. Thais, unfriendly, confrontational, get mad quickly. Filipinos,-accomodating, nice, friendly, non-confrontational. Forget Pattaya, and forget Bangkok it's a waste of money and time.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2351356]Hi brothers,

I am reaching Pattaya next week and would like to know what is the current USD to THB rate. I have checked websites and I also know for a fact that the actual rate is different from what's on the websites. So any brother living in Pattaya can please let me know what is the current rate. Thanks a ton!

Mcfuck.[/QUOTE]The rate is the same as on the websites.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2352680]Turn left? Coming from Pattaya to Jomtien, it makes turn right into Jomtien Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Correct, but at the bottom of that road (Thappraya Rd) it turns left.

So, left is right and right is right bur in a different way.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2352680]Turn left? Coming from Pattaya to Jomtien, it makes turn right into Jomtien Beach Road.

I been there once last year with Banana Boi, girl quoted me 1500ST plus room fee, no thanks.[/QUOTE]My Google Maps shows the road leading to the beach as Thepprasit. Regardless you get off the bus right before it makes the left turn onto the road that's parallel to the beach.

I definitely paid B1500 including the room. I had a very good experience but I realize Kit Kat may not be everybody's cup of tea.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2352759] Almost impossible to separate the girls from their bar owner chains and avoid bar fines, etc. I even got a hotel ON soy 6 within a few meters of all the bars and found it impossible to get them to shortime on their own, without paying a barfine even if you try to meet them off work hours. I think many LIVE on site, so hard to do.[/QUOTE]Even if they live on site they can do whatever they want when the bar is closed. They could have gone with you for free if they wanted and it wouldn't have been the bar's business. You can find many of them freelancing in Insomnia during the night for example.

[QUOTE]Pattaya is a overpriced tourist trap town now with Thais that can barely conceal their disdain for you and just want your money and want you to leave. Many Thais are ill-mannered and discourteous compared to Filipinos and quick to anger, if you do not agree with them.[/QUOTE]This is nothing new. That place attracts mostly low lifes and thugs. You can also find some cute and nice persons trying to make a honest life but many of the people a foreigner will interact with in Patts will be bad-mannered.

[QUOTE]Thais, unfriendly, confrontational, get mad quickly.[/QUOTE]True only for Pattaya or very touristic areas, not for all Thailand. In other parts of Thailand, Thais are respectful and very friendly toward foreigners.

[QUOTE]Forget Pattaya, and forget Bangkok it's a waste of money and time.[/QUOTE]Maybe if you go there just for mongering and don't want to learn anything from their culture.

It's still worth a lot if you like the way they live, their culture, the cheap accommodation, cheap transportation, good food, good weather, there are a lot of very good reasons to go there except for the mongering purpose.

[QUOTE=Allover;2352670]My wingman was making arrangements to rent a condo at View Talay 5 (B9000/ month) and so I wandered around Jomtien a bit. I remembered a gentleman's club somewhere nearby and checked my notes. Sure enough Kit Kat Club was very close. Kit Kat is on the baht bus route. Going towards Jomtien, get off the bus just before it makes the left turn onto Jomtien Beach Road. It's next to Country Roads which is visible from the main road. The club is owned by a man from The Netherlands.

I chatted with him briefly. Nice guy.

We visited at 5 pm on a Monday afternoon. There were about a dozen girls working. For me about 3-4 were doable. I eyed Opal and she quickly came over for a ladydrink. Apparently she found me to be irresistible as she was all over me immediately. She was 35 yrs old, black hair, lighter skin, and had a very sexy dress on. She was definitely one of the older girls there but they did have a few young ones. In a few minutes we were going upstairs to the room. The room had a raised, comfortable bed with flashing lights below it. The shower was in the room. Except for the bed's light show, the room standard was slightly better quality than you would normally see in a good short time hotel..[/QUOTE]Rental price View Talay was almost unbelievable! Should like to get same price, stayed there in studio 18.000-22.000 month. Kit Kat Club price for room was always separate on bar bill (around 350 bath) and girl 1500-2000. I most learn to negotiate!

[QUOTE=Crazy666;2352088]I'm all set to arrive there on Saturday night for 10 nights. I will be staying at my all time favourite LK Empress. Long flight from Switzerland.

If any monger wants to hang out or go for a beer, just let me know.

Happy mongering.

P.S.- attaches is some of the girl I previously spent time with.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Flying in from Germany. Interested in exchange and a beer.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2352759]Report on Pattaya 2 weeks, July, 2019
...
[/QUOTE]Some of what you wrote has been confuted by Paolo99, let me add, not only you wrote a good amount of BS but it seems you came here with the wrong attitude, counting the Baht and having unreasonable expectations. No surprise you've been treated accordingly (som na na).

[QUOTE]
Pattaya vs Dumaguete:
[/QUOTE]I've never been to the Philippine but I can only laugh when you try to convince anyone that an unknown place in there is any "better". Just to begin with, in a SE Asia crime rate report 8 cities of 23 are in the Philippines, Vs 3 in Thailand.

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2018&region=035[/URL]

A country which food is such that it doesn't have a nameable dish or restaurants abroad. I will not comment on the physical qualities Philippine because I don't want to offend anyone.

Now, I don't spend my time try to scour for low prices but as it happens they are practically the same as 15 yrs ago for everything. And since I'm afraid that there isn't much beyond "price" that you can appreciate, I'll just stop here.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2352227]As per the current exchange rate of 0. 44 you should get THB 22000 for INR 50000. There is absolutely no problem carrying that kind of cash into Thailand. The max you can carry is equivalant to 10000 USD.[/QUOTE]Actually it varies according to where you look, which means they don't give a flying fuck. IATA says $20,000, landing video on THAI $15,000.

[URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/TH-Thailand-customs-currency-airport-tax-regulations-details.htm[/URL]

BTW, toursit looking people have VERY SLIM chances of being inspected at customs. I have now almost 100 entries in BKK and haven't been stopped ever.

I don't think that many on this forum carry that much cash, which makes the matter largely theoretical and practically useless, now let's move to the equally boring side of exchange rates:

Exchange booths in Pattaya are in fierce competition and the biggest difference between one and another, there is perhaps a THB 0. 05 (5 satangs) to the Dollar, Euro or Pound. Now exchange your one week money of, say USD 500 at the worst booth, tell me how much you lost?

Of course, if you exchange a minor currency you're surely getting a worst exchange from interbank rate. You can't do anything about that. Just don't exchange at the airport, and avoid or limit ATM transaction which charge 200 THB or or more.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353259]Some of what you wrote has been confuted by Paolo99, let me add, not only you wrote a good amount of BS but it seems you came here with the wrong attitude, counting the Baht and having unreasonable expectations. No surprise you've been treated accordingly (som na na).

I've never been to the Philippine but I can only laugh when you try to convince anyone that an unknown place in there there as "better". Just to begin with, in a SE Asia crime rate report 8 cities of 23 are in the Philippines, Vs 3 in Thailand.

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2018&region=035[/URL]

A country which food is so such that it doesn't have a nameable dish or restaurants abroad. I will not comment on the physical qualities Philippine because I don't want to offend anyone. Here.

Now, I don't spend my time try to scour for low prices but as it happens they are practically the same as 15 yrs ago for everything. And since I'm afraid that there isn't much beyond "price" that you can appreciate, I'll just stop here.[/QUOTE]If you check this members posts elsewhere mostly the Philippines it is obvious he is a disgruntled poor soul more likely to find the bottle half empty.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353259]

I've never been to the Philippine but I can only laugh when you try to convince anyone that an unknown place in there is any "better". Just to begin with, in a SE Asia crime rate report 8 cities of 23 are in the Philippines, Vs 3 in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]Sorry 4 in Thailand, with Pattaya being 2nd in that grime ranking. Still hopes to be 1st, LolL

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353259]I've never been to the Philippine but I can only laugh when you try to convince anyone that an unknown place in there is any "better". Just to begin with, in a SE Asia crime rate report 8 cities of 23 are in the Philippines, Vs 3 in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't know about any crime because I don't take that into account when traveling, but I have been to Dumaguete before for scuba diving and I can say that it is no place I need to go back to. I did get one of the top 2 best haircuts of my life there though for only $1. I hurry up and paid and ran out of there in case the guy figured out he might have been telling me the wrong price.

P4P must have been under a rock somewhere. I went to that Tocino place that was discussed in that thread and it was a bust. Luckily I met a teacher on a dating site to go out with. It was all good until later when she thought I was going to buy her a ticket to come see me in Thailand. I told her I would pay for half. If you are trying to be with me then you are going to put in some effort. I would never have to suspect a serious woman of only being with me for money because I would never allow that.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353259]A country which food is such that it doesn't have a nameable dish or restaurants abroad.[/QUOTE]There is a lumpia (egg roll) restaurant starting soon in the USA. Besides that, I would not eat Filipino food ever again, even with your mouth. My exgirlfriend took me to what was supposed to be a nice Filipino restaurant and I was on the toilet for a couple of days. They drowned the asparagus in some type of syrup shit. I had to wash that shit off with water.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353259]Now, I don't spend my time try to scour for low prices but as it happens they are practically the same as 15 yrs ago for everything.[/QUOTE]Again, I have been giving FL chicks the same 1000 baht LT as I did when I first set foot in Thailand 14 years ago. If you want to deal with bar fines and gogos then you are on your own with that.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353272]BTW, toursit looking people have VERY SLIM chances of being inspected at customs. I have now almost 100 entries in BKK and haven't been stopped ever.[/QUOTE]Even when people are in line at that x-ray machine to scan their bags, I just walk around them and go out.

[QUOTE=Niterio;2353239]Hi,

Flying in from Germany. Interested in exchange and a beer.[/QUOTE]Do you have PM facility? I'll inbox my mobile number. Can meet up on Saturday night or Sunday.

TurdyCurdyOne,

I have to agree with Paulo99 the last point regarding your comment " Thais unfriendly, confrontational and get mad quickly " In all my years on this board and others regarding Thailand can't seem to ever have read a report from someone just on a short holiday making such a remark. This opinion is usually reserved for guys that have visited numbers of times or expats who live here like me?

Not to pscho analyze but it does give a bit of insight into your personality nevertheless it doesn't mean I disagree with this point of view nor whether you should return or not?

If what was experienced bothers you then yes stay away but I've and many close to me live amount Thais 24/7, look Thai at times can't even be separated but eventually, we are and what I think you might have experienced is nothing even close to what my encounter day in day out living here and I live on the Darkside of Pattaya.

Living here to survive with my personality I had to reinvent myself and that means putting up with a lot of stuff I usually wouldn't put up in the past when you refer to " get mad quickly " you've not seen anything these Thai guys are repressed or something else it is like dealing with a " ticking time bomb ".

Although I've lived here near 15 years I haven't travel much in Thailand what I've been told by others who have that " Pattaya and Bangkok " isn't part of Thailand generally the people, culture, especially the unfriendly, confrontational and get mad easy just isn't there outside of Pattaya and Bangkok in general I firmly believe they are correct. What I've learned living here we bring our learning our views from the West we take for granted that everyone should know these simple things but you quickly learn that isn't the case, in this particular case simple manners? What we see as visitors is the romance of their culture during holidays and celebrations like the songs/dancing even the temples the Land of Smiles when it is really window dressing especially in Pattaya/Bangkok and heavy tourist locations.

The Wai, Sawadeess, aside from these simple manners doesn't exist as we know it in the West. It can't be taught because what Thai is going to teach it? it can only be taught by someone who knows what we are talking about this goes with customer service what you might see is taught by the foreign companies operating in Thailand. The Thais at the market want you to buy if you even touch the T-shirt they folded and don't buy they get upset talk behind your back they at times feel entitled since you are in their country, therefore, you are expected to buy. Try to explain/lecture or teach Thais they won't hear of it because they have been brainwashed there is a saying " the more patriotic the more stupid " this saying covers many things as to why they will never be able to fix a simple problem.

So how did I adjust living here I take everything they say or do with people I don't know with a grain of salt. I just smiled that little smile with "silence is golden " is enough to allow you to enjoy the place that maybe tonight when I'm out at the clubs I might be fucking his wife, sister, daughter or even his mother in some cases that is how I survive here knowing they will never have what I have although it is their country. As long as they keep out of my space I spend my day with this theory " don't put myself in a position for something to happen if I do the chances it will happen ".

On a two week vacation sad because as Paulo99 stated it should be about the pussy!

I wonder how much of a cut girls get on drinks. This soi 6 girls advertises her best results on her Line account.

[QUOTE=XXL;2353591]I wonder how much of a cut girls get on drinks.[/QUOTE]It is no mystery. They get 50 baht.

[QUOTE=XXL;2353591]I wonder how much of a cut girls get on drinks. This soi 6 girls advertises her best results on her Line account.[/QUOTE]Which soi6 bar?

Hello mates,

Coming to Pattaya by Saturday. Weather forecast looks too bad. Can anyone tell me how was the weather over there.

In my effort to give back to the community, I follow up on my back reading of the forums to prepare for a trip to Pattaya.

Part I covered page 130 to page 50. This will cover page 50 to page 1.

So, here we go.

I learned that there is confusion about the difference between "having game" and "negotiation".

I learned that you don't need "game" when paying for sex, you need money.

I learned that you don't need a lot of money when paying for sex, if you have game.

I learned having game will elevate the rapport and the provider will provide better service.

I learned that negotiations for the price of sex is somehow similar to buying a car. (Honestly, I just skipped over that conversation as it was a totally retarded premise.).

I learned if the girl likes you, you will probably pay less and get better service from her.

I learned Japanese men have small dicks, big wallets and pull the best girls.

I learned some people still stupidly try to compare big city BKK to small beach city Pattaya.

I learned if she has a "funky" smell down there, some guys will still eat her out anyway.

I learned if you return the following night to bar fine the girl you bar fined the night before and she looks sloppy and tired, you are just going to pay her to go to sleep early without sex.

I learned Pattaya is a shit hole and Angels City is a shit-ier hole.

I learned Pattaya is best for short term and Angels City is best for long term.

I learned bored mongers will argue about nothing much longer than they will argue about something of substance.

I learned during "Song Kran", people like to play water games and squirt each other with water guns and buckets.

I learned that after a night of bad sex, guys still buy the failing girl breakfast.

I learned the Sizzler Salad Bar will give you the Hershey squirts.

I learned that when some people get the Hershey squirts, they choose to suffer with it for a few days before taking Imodium to relieve it.

I learned that Soi 13/3 has a place called Pattyaland aka Boyz Town and is for gays.

I learned Indians are cheap, have bad body odor and are rude to others and to the girls they hire.

I learned the timing of a woman's menstrual cycle always begins when an Indian man hires her.

I learned women do not discover they are menstruating until they get back to your room and take a shower.

I learned a place called Palace is known as the Black Widow Club and best to avoid the place as the girls are scam artist.

I learned if you take a girl short time, best to be clear the clock starts in the room and not at the restaurant you take her to because she is hungry.

I learned that if you go to a 2 story bar and everyone else that arrives goes to the second floor, you probably should be on the second floor too.

I learned that if you argue, "she could not be a ladyboy because she had tits", you probably just banged a ladyboy.

I learned if your girl wants to stop at the pharmacy on the way to the room, she is probably buying a sponge to hold back her menstrual blood flow.

I learned Thai girls have sick kids a lot and many buffalo die back on the family farm.

I learned that 2 weeks is the break point where you realize that banging chicks is the only thing to do in Pattaya.

I learned Lifecare lab can do STD testing for 700 be and you get same day results.

I learned the going rate for a girl for 24 hour companionship is between 2,000 and 10,000 a day, depending on the stupidity level of the monger.

I learned 3,000 is not enough to convince a midget to fuck you.

I learned that a midget is shorter than 147 cm with normal appendage proportions and a dwarf is a malformed freak with an alien sized head.

I learned that you don't need a prescription to buy Viagra or a generic equivalent.

I learned that you should negotiate all services and expectations before you agree to take her anywhere.

I learned that if you wait to negotiate in the room, you have lost all bargaining power and will probably not get what you want.

I learned if you wait to negotiate in the room or at the front door of the hotel and do not come to agreement and want her to leave, she will want you to pay her anyway.

I learned that if you do not pay her to leave after failed negotiations in your room or at the front door of the hotel, she will kick your ass.

I learned that if she is kicking your ass, some think its OK to fight back.

I learned that if you are fighting back and she is still kicking your ass, you are not very good at spotting ladyboys.

I learned that is "she" wears size XXL gloves and men's size 11 shoes, she is probably a ladyboy.

I learned that if you bring a girl to your room, you should lock your shit up in the safe.

I learned that despite common sense and the 10,000's of messages and posts explaining otherwise, some mongers insist the only way to get a girl in Pattaya is to pay a bar fine, despite walking past 1,000 girls to get to the bar.

Lastly, I learned that it might not be worth the effort to travel half way around the world to monger in Asia when I am 4 hours or less away from Colombia, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2353696]

I learned the Sizzler Salad Bar will give you the Hershey squirts.[/QUOTE]Awwww, you read my report!

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2353653]Hello mates,

Coming to Pattaya by Saturday. Weather forecast looks too bad. Can anyone tell me how was the weather over there.[/QUOTE]Hi NotsoSmartGuyHyd.

Here on the ground it is very dangerous and I would cancel all my flights and accommodation's. I hear it is much safer weather in Islamabad and I am planning on packing up and going there as soon as I can get a flight.

I hope I am helping you.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2353653]Hello mates,

Coming to Pattaya by Saturday. Weather forecast looks too bad. Can anyone tell me how was the weather over there.[/QUOTE]It is the rainy season. Bring an umbrella.

[QUOTE=TurdyCurdyOne;2352759]Dumaguete friendly, accommodating, cheap. Pattaya many attractive whrs, very business mercenary, Dumaguete, hard to find attractive, but easy and cheap to get with often GFE. Pattaya expensive, unfriendly, not accomodating. Dumaguete, speaks some English. Pattaya, nostly forget it, you must have Thai. Dumaguete, easy to get around, cheap reliable transport. Pattaya, spread out, hard to get around, hard to find things, transport corrupt, expensive and unreliable. Thais, unfriendly, confrontational, get mad quickly. Filipinos,-accomodating, nice, friendly, non-confrontational. Forget Pattaya, and forget Bangkok it's a waste of money and time.[/QUOTE]Yes, Thailand may have the better food and infrastructure as a whole (however Makati & BGC is more built up and better than Bangkok). But I will always love the Philippines and they way the Filipinos went out of their way to make me feel at home (even strangers). I remember I was walking in Quezon City and trying to find that famous memorial there. I walked through an outdoor market to get there. As I was walking, a Filipino couple stopped me, asked me was I lost and did I need help. I told them I was trying to get to the memorial for photos. I talked to them for a bit. They told me about their family members that resided in the USA (where I am from) and their favorite NBA team, the Golden State Warriors. After talking with them and feeling welcomed, I finished my walk to the memorial, took some pics and took a Grab car back to Gramercy in Makati. It seems as long as I was spending money in Thailand, the people were cool. That was NOT the case in the Philippines.

During my Philippine travels, I never been to Dumaguete. But I will definitely put it on my bucket list during my next time I hit the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2353343]Besides that, I would not eat Filipino food ever again, even with your mouth. [/QUOTE]This wins the internet for me today! Still laughing.

On serious note, I completely agree. There is an FB page called Slate my Plate. The horror.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2353827]Awwww, you read my report![/QUOTE]Of course I read your stuff. I'm sure every single person here would agree that your stories are the best of the forum.

Your tribulations are followed with interest due to your willingness to be honest, real and introspective.

I have laughed and felt sad along with you as I have read your reports. You put the reader in the room with you and that makes your story interesting.

I have never met you but I feel like I know you and I certainly have experienced similar events.

Thanks for sharing with everyone and keep them coming.

[QUOTE=XXL;2353591]I wonder how much of a cut girls get on drinks. This soi 6 girls advertises her best results on her Line account.[/QUOTE]She looks hot!

[QUOTE=RobJones;2353829]Hi NotsoSmartGuyHyd.

Here on the ground it is very dangerous and I would cancel all my flights and accommodation's. I hear it is much safer weather in Islamabad and I am planning on packing up and going there as soon as I can get a flight.

I hope I am helping you.[/QUOTE]You read my mind. As fun as it is, I've visited Islamabad too many times, so I am going to spend the next month enjoying the ladies, booze, and other such fun in Gandhinagar.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2353653]
Coming to Pattaya by Saturday. Weather forecast looks too bad. Can anyone tell me how was the weather over there.[/QUOTE]It hasn't really rained for many weeks now. It is a bit overcast lately, and maximum near 31 degrees Celcius. No issues really.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2353696]
Lastly, I learned that it might not be worth the effort to travel half way around the world to monger in Asia when I am 4 hours or less away from Colombia, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]One needs to try both and repeatedly. Some guys are 100% for Latinas and some 100% for Asians. Or should I say 100$ for.

I speak Spanish, comfortable with Latino culture, can dance their music, yet in the end I got more from Thai and Vietnamese women. Al-tough, my Brazilian nympho lover, or model face Argentinian "I fell for ass fuck today" friend aren't to forget either.

I know it's off topic but anyone knows of a good clinic or hospital in Pat for a general heart checkup. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Columpuss;2354042]I know it's off topic but anyone knows of a good clinic or hospital in Pat for a general heart checkup. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are here for a short time I recommend that you have the check-up done in your country. Otherwise you can look or ask on [URL]Thaivisa.com[/URL] that has a medical section.

Years ago I did a pre-anesthesia check at Bangkok Hospital, which is the biggest around. The doctor seemed to be wanting to find fault where there wasn't.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2353653]Hello mates,

Coming to Pattaya by Saturday. Weather forecast looks too bad. Can anyone tell me how was the weather over there.[/QUOTE]Brother,

I am coming too. Have lost your no. Please PM.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2340334]Not when there are other options that are better value in terms of money and experience. If you're the type to settle for subpar just for the sake of checking off a box, then that is one approach though not one I'd take. Most likely, he'd have far more fun in his limited time on Soi 6 where he can find someone who can really take care of him. Soi Chaiyapoon is another option with plenty there. Heck, if he's willing to risk using his phone, he can seek out Valentina and Noi. A+, great BJ, it's all there. Eye candy, not so much, but he won't really find that at a soapy either. Looking at this from the lens of someone who is with family, on limited time, and trying to maximize fun; not as someone who has unlimited time to try out various things.[/QUOTE]Does anyone have Valentina's contact info. I've been searching but I don't think she son TF anymore.

Thanks in advance.

T.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2354054]If you are here for a short time I recommend that you have the check-up done in your country. Otherwise you can look or ask on [URL]Thaivisa.com[/URL] that has a medical section.

Years ago I did a pre-anesthesia check at Bangkok Hospital, which is the biggest around. The doctor seemed to be wanting to find fault where there wasn't.[/QUOTE]This is excellent advice! As for Bangkok / Pattaya it is the last place you want to do a physical. They promote these types of packages to attract customers like you are getting a million of items checked for the baht and yes they want to find fault and will try to sell the kitchen sink to you. Pattaya Memorial / International is no different get it at home unless you don't have insurance.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2353996]One needs to try both and repeatedly. Some guys are 100% for Latinas and some 100% for Asians. Or should I say 100$ for.

I speak Spanish, comfortable with Latino culture, can dance their music, yet in the end I got more from Thai and Vietnamese women. Al-tough, my Brazilian nympho lover, or model face Argentinian "I fell for ass fuck today" friend aren't to forget either.[/QUOTE]That is kind of my problem. I have been to these places in central and south America so much that the level of discovery is sorely missed.

Now those trips end up being cookie cutter, kind of like groundhog day stuff. Don't get me wrong, I have a blast and never leave disappointed because I get exactly what I want when there due to the network I built up.

It just lacks the adventure and discovery level that is part of the fun of making the trips. After 30 years of mongering, I don't have much territory left that I haven't stomped across. I've been all over Europe too many times, same with central and south America. Asia is the only area left to experience something new.

There is also the other side of the scale to consider. What if I go all that way and don't get exactly what I like when I know I can hop a flight to Cartagena and 4 hours later be pounding my girls asshole and getting blasted for cheap.

[QUOTE=Terryboy;2354199]Does anyone have Valentina's contact info. I've been searching but I don't think she son TF anymore.

Thanks in advance.

T.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, she's MIA possibly with a boyfriend.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2353849]As I was walking, a Filipino couple stopped me, asked me was I lost and did I need help.[/QUOTE]And? You have meet an educated middle-class family as there are anywhere in the world. In the USA people would ask me if I was lost and reminded to close the top of the car when parked. In Phuket I was bored, wrote on a forum and got to know a Thai guy (educated abroad) to go out at night. In my country once I got frantic having lost something important and a stranger drove me in his work car to look for it. Etc.

If you have some money, and quality is important, go-go clubs are the best. MPs may have pretty girls on weekends, but can be a dud on weekdays.

Honey2 had some really hot women. The girl I picked was new to the city and so hot. Said not allowed to tell me how long she's worked. She looked young, like at most low 20's. So that made me wonder. I feel like the girls are more independent workers in many of the clubs. In MPs, they could be slaves for all we know, since they don't have a say if you take them. Then again, Diamond go-go was really sleazy. First time I went there there was a girl who looked like she absolutely hated to be there. Second time the manager tried to push a new girl on me who looked barely legal--and you know those Asian faces. I got out of there.

Honey2 only gives you an hour too, so by the time I was warmed up time was up.

I also saw, as late as 2 or 3 am on Walking Street, Russian looking men with their teenage daughter and no mother in sight. Can't think of any good reasons.

It's true what someone said, you can have a lot of fun in Pattaya but only for a few days. I had to leave the city.

I did walk through the other areas like LK Metro and BJ bars. Maybe it wasn't the right time, but I never saw cuties there.

Did try to gogonutz-style massasge on the south side of Pattayasaisong 13, near Soi Buakhao. Forgot the name but you can't miss it. Good if you have no other choice, but it was like 2500-ish. For that price I'd save up for a go-go girl guaranteed to be hot.

[QUOTE=Trillian;2354578]If you have some money, and quality is important, go-go clubs are the best.[/QUOTE]Best for what?

If you want the hottest, jaw dropping, tongue dragging girls who can get you off just by lying there (as that may be all they will do), hit up the WS agogos. Want girls who actually move, gives a near PSE / GEE and takes it as a personal insult if you can't come, head down to Soi 6.

[QUOTE]First time I went there there was a girl who looked like she absolutely hated to be there. [/QUOTE]Most girls probably DO hate being there!

What's all this hype about go-gos?

I visited Windmill a couple of weeks ago. Not one girl who was hot.

I'm back from a drink at Sapphire's. Not a single curvy gazelle. Rather stocky girls. All pulling long faces. None able to move her body to music. Who made them wear those coarse unerotic outfits? Any modern beachwear would have been better. The thick bras reminded me of the things plastic surgeons give their patients after a breast augmentation.

I thought I had been slumming it at soi 6 these past 2 years but I'm beginning to think more highly of myself.

Can anyone on the ground confirm that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in Pattaya (Soi Chiayapoon) was raided and is now permanently closed? A former coworker, now retired and living in BKK, told me this. He knows it is one of my favorite places and there is something in me that thinks he may be f--king with me.

But if they are closed, it would be heartbreaking to me. I have been to Pattaya several times in the past three years and one thing I would always look forward to was visiting [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] for a quick BBBJ / CIM experience in the daytime. There were days when I visited [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] three times. Those girls there, while they might not be 8's and 9's, sure know how to polish a knob until finish. They never failed me. I have been to 10 different BJ Bars in Pattaya and BKK and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in Pattaya easily is the best in my book.

End of the road for them?

I am disappointed with what I have read over and over on this thread and on many others.

What I see is people come to the board to try to get help getting what they want from their trip and all they get is people telling them they are stupid and to do something else instead.

[B]To those that came here looking for help getting what you want. [/B]

You do you buddy. Don't let anyone tell you to do the opposite and seek other things.

You have an idea in your mind of what you are trying to do, you do it. You may crash and burn and you may end up without what you want but you have to do you. It is your money, it is your time, it is your trip. You spend it the way you want to.

Chase that unicorn. Chase that fantasy. Chase that dream.

When someone tells you do the opposite, put that in the not helpful column and move on.

When someone tells you some good advice on how to get what you want, take that advice and put in the helpful column and try to work that into your plan.

[B]To those that think they are helping by telling someone to do something totally different.[/B]

There is nothing wrong with telling someone you disagree and suggesting a few different options.

What you should also include is thoughts and ideas that help him accomplish what he is seeking, no matter how you feel about it personally.

Too often I see people telling others how to get what the one giving advice likes and wants instead of helping the guy get what he wants.

Just because you don't agree with it or think it's a waste of time does not invalidate what he wants. That is what he wants, help him get it the best you can.

People are different. What you want could be different than what they want. Different strokes for different folks.

You think it's a bad idea to find facebook girls. OK, say that but why not also use your experience to try and help him make the most of the approach he wants to take. Give him some tips on how to do it better, how to increase his chance of success.

You think it's a bad idea to try to create a certain fantasy, OK, say that but also share your wisdom and experience to help him try to build his fantasy and end the trip with a success instead of a failure.

Hey pal, I don't think Facebook is a good way to meet girls for sex, in my experience you will find "this happens" . But if you try this approach I have found that if you do "this and this", you will have better success.

Do you really think someone asking for advice to get "X" is going to abandon his wants and do what you seek instead? No, he is going to try and do his thing anyway. So let's try to help him get his "X" and stop trying to convince him that just because you like something different, that is what he should do instead. Please help him increase his chances of getting "X", because at the end of the day, he has to do him and not do you.

I was referring to L O L I T A S the famous BJ Bar.

Are they now closed?

Samxy bro.

Please clear your inbox. Unable to ping you.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2356127]I was referring to L O L I T A S the famous BJ Bar.

Are they now closed?[/QUOTE]Just walked by at 2 pm, and they are open. 4 chubbies and one slender sitting outside waiting for customers. The opening hours on the door state from 12 noon to 12 midnight.

[QUOTE=Franga;2356825]Just walked by at 2 pm, and they are open. 4 chubbies and one slender sitting outside waiting for customers. The opening hours on the door state from 12 noon to 12 midnight.[/QUOTE]I wonder is that a different "4 chubbies and one slender" from six months ago when I was last there. They can smoke a pole though. I'll give them that.

I am making a never-before summer trip to Pattaya in under 2 weeks! (Well, summer in the northern hemisphere). I planned this trip back in early June, primarily due my desire to see my Soi 6 bar girl Secret. Last report, we had a thing going. Before I head back there, I thought I would give an update.

Things got heated between us for a while. We were using the L word (me, not quite meaning it, but it was fun to say and to hear) and texting for relatively long periods each day. The bar girls are not allowed to be on their phones, so she would sometime send a quick message on her way to get a meal, or when she went to the toilet, etc. She didn't do it for long times, but I saved the messages and over a full day they become fairly lengthy. But when she stopped doing it, it was sudden. Yeah, in mid-July her texting dropped way down. I knew that she was depressed about her job. She wanted to quit and go home, feeling that no man would ever love her now that she was a "bad person", and said that she smiled on the outside and would appear to have fun, but she was crying on the inside. But why she suddenly cut back on her texting I was not sure.

She was approaching being a bar girl for 5 months, and that is likely sufficient time for a "good girl" to start turning into a hard core bar girl I suppose. She has never asked me for money or complained to me, she simply just cut back on her talking to me. I tried to think of reasons. Was it simply we had been away too long and the passion just died down, possibly to return later? Did she find a BF? Was she too ashamed that she feared I would eventually reject her? But nothing makes sense.

But things had clearly cooled, and likely it was for the best. I was about to give up but last week she told me she had left the bar. She mentioned her bar had a rules change she couldn't accept so she took an indefinite leave of absence. She had kept a flat all this time in the town where she had held factory job, with the intent to go back to. She went there to figure things out but, she still wasn't texting me that much, and she clearly had plenty of time to do so if she wanted. She told me she would go back to Pattaya to meet me.

I wondered if she would be able to stay away. I certainly believe she hates her job. And maybe with low season she is not making much money and that might be depressing her. She has said she wants to hurry up and make the money she wants to make then get out of there. Better to do 3 men a day than 1. She hates it, but it shortens the time she has to be a bar girl. IDK. But I still wondered what it was that started to turn her off to me. I mean, again, it is for the best overall I am sure. I am over 30 years older, her English is not all that great and my Thai is dismal, she would probably not want to live in the US and I sure don't want to live in Thailand, etc. We mesh well together, but it could never work out.

But one more GFE fantasy with her would have been nice.

I appreciate that she has never asked me for money or that she is lying. She could, right now, be telling me of her love and all this other stuff and while I am not sure I would be giving her a lot of cash, I was up to taking her on a trip to Phuket at least.

But this morning she texted me some sad faces. I asked why, as the night before she was going out shopping with friends. She told me she was going back to work at the bar again. Ugh. I asked why and she said she still had a responsibility to her family. I expressed concern that, like many bar girls, she would hate her work but feel she was making too much money to leave it. She agreed some girls were like that, but said nothing about herself. I said I knew this was difficult for her, but wondered if she was looking at me like a client, saying she didn't talk to me like she used to. She said "I never looked at you as a customer. " I used the L word then it was my bed time. When I woke up I told her good morning, then she replied with "Sorry I don't have time for you. " There are two ways to take that. It could be like "sorry dude, but I just don't have time for you to keep bothering" or it could be "I am sorry but with my work and all I am so busy right now. ". She did immediately add "But my feelings never change. " I said "You used to have the time. But I need to trust you. " She said "thank you that you still trust me. " Better than her saying "dude, I am a bar girl. You should never trust me!" haha I ended up saying "You are under stress. Not fair of me to increase your stress. " And yes, she is under stress and while I have tried to bring her comfort, having a nice guy tell you things when you think you are bad and when your customer are making you feel bad about yourself, it can add to the depression. So, I guess I will only text her if she first texts me from now on. Sigh.

So, that could possibly, I suppose, be our last message for a while. I will try to keep quiet. She knows I am to be there in 2 weeks and if she wants to be with me she can write me. If she doesn't, she will certainly see me, which will be awkward, but whatever. I am going back as she wanted me to, and while I still have no idea what happened, I have to believe it will be for the best.

Heck, my Thai GF is writing me more now and we are already planning another cruise in December. I have to admit I am learning a bit towards marrying her. She is an awesome woman, so why am I evening thinking about a bar girl? (Ummm, better breasts, and awesome vag, etc! Sigh).

Secret is really a great woman and has never tried to use me. Maybe, as she turns harder as a bar girl and desperate for money, she may start to use others. I feel sorry for her, that nice women like these feel they have to do this work despite hating it. No, I won't go all moral here nor give up mongering as, despite them hating it, they need the money and they do appreciate kind, compassionate men who have needs as well.

If Secret just needs some time, or if she found that BF or finally realized we had no future and she doesn't wish to use me. IDK. Maybe I will find the answers in two weeks. But while this is actually the best outcome from this ill-fated relationship I could have hoped for I suppose, it still as me bummed out a bit. She doesn't have time for me. Ouch!

But guys, don't be worried. If a girl lets you go, go find a 2 dozen more, and that it what I plan to do. I will have 16 days in LOS. I might take 4 or 5 days to see the GF, but I will have at least 10 days in Pattaya. I may feel a little less inclined to visit parts of Soi 6, but I plan on having a good time.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2357092]I am making a never-before summer trip to Pattaya in under 2 weeks! (Well, summer in the northern hemisphere). I planned this trip back in early June, primarily due my desire to see my Soi 6 bar girl Secret. Last report, we had a thing going. Before I head back there, I thought I would give an update.

But guys, don't be worried. If a girl lets you go, go find a 2 dozen more, and that it what I plan to do. I will have 16 days in LOS. I might take 4 or 5 days to see the GF, but I will have at least 10 days in Pattaya. I may feel a little less inclined to visit parts of Soi 6, but I plan on having a good time.[/QUOTE]Hawk, any chance we'll see a picture of Secret? Of course, just the face. I have to ask because you write so much about her. Perhaps in the future, after you let her go? If you let her go?

Think about what you want out of this. You don't want to live in Thailand. You don't think she wants to live in the States. You've already got a Thai GF you're thinking of marrying and you intend to keep fucking around as a monger. Some catch you'd be. These girls are people, doing the best they can. Doing something for the family is paramount in Thai culture, notwithstanding that many families are in fact pimping out their daughters for spending money.

What you might do is be a friend. You're thirty years older and she apparently likes you. Why penalize the girl as she tries to sort things out. You can still be there to listen to her, treating her decently as a human being no matter what she does for a living. You can play a supportive role in her life. At least for a while, if you can suppress your ego and not play "she has to message me first" games. A lot of of her young life is facade. All fake. She has enough pressure and if you connected with her in an honest, supportive way, why stop? Thirty years older -- do the decent thing and give her a non-judgmental shoulder to lean on and an ear. No pressure. Just be there if she needs you. Be the exception in her life, someone who she can trust, at least for a while. That's not a bad legacy for an old guy.

Or you can be remembered as just another old farang creep, only interested in keeping his dick wet.

Good luck.

I did a trip to connecting Tijuana-Tokyo-Pattaya. Pattaya wins by a far margin. The way Honey 2 Body massage has their ladies line up on velvet stairs with lights is a sight to see alone.

Picked up a girl by the name of fine. She had me the moment she made eye contact along with a bright smile. Nice smooth skin, no tattoos, man made's with no scars, and smelled cleaned inside out. Got a nice shower on the inflatable mat. Complete GFE for only 3 k baht, good deal. Only 1 shot but she offered another for 1 k baht. Still beats paying $400 for the same exact experience in Japan.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2357165]Hawk, any chance we'll see a picture of Secret? Of course, just the face. I have to ask because you write so much about her. Perhaps in the future, after you let her go? If you let her go?[/QUOTE]I think she is letting ME go! I rather doubt I would post her picture or ID her. Remember, I am keeping her secret to protect her. Were I to discover she has turned into a lying, manipulative hard core bar girl, then I might need to ID her in order to protect some of YOU!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2357092]She went there to figure things out but, she still wasn't texting me that much, and she clearly had plenty of time to do so if she wanted. But I still wondered what it was that started to turn her off to me.[/QUOTE]Man that is a normal ebb and flow that you are talking about. I have tons of free chicks and a couple of paid chicks in various countries for many years and that is just how it works. You can talk to someone a lot for a few days then you may not talk for a couple of weeks or maybe even a month. But send a message when I am heading to town or when I am thinking about them or they are thinking about me then it is business as usual. The messages that I always like to send are "Why you forget me?, Why you do not miss me?, Do you think about me when you are laying next to him?"

Hit me up when you get into town.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2357453]Man that is a normal ebb and flow that you are talking about. I have tons of free chicks and a couple of paid chicks in various countries for many years and that is just how it works. You can talk to someone a lot for a few days then you may not talk for a couple of weeks or maybe even a month. But send a message when I am heading to town or when I am thinking about them or they are thinking about me then it is business as usual. The messages that I always like to send are "Why you forget me?, Why you do not miss me?, Do you think about me when you are laying next to him?"

Hit me up when you get into town.[/QUOTE]The first pic says August 2 while the second one says August 1.

In order to upload the pics in the order that you want, you need to choose file and press add file 5 separate times.

I'm guessing you pressed add file only once for all 5 pics.

You need to add each picture separately.

I will be in Pattaya again next month and I want to try a typical gentleman club this time (I tried Excite Club and the Full Love Inn clubs, but never the ones where you have to ring or which have a swimming pool).

I found a list with all clubs in Pattaya Gentleman Clubs thread from World Travel 69 and placed my questions in that thread but there is no more post since 2017 and I won't get an answer probably. Maybe someone here can help:

Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now? Is Heaven Club still open and still good?

I have read before that prices are like Soi 6. Is this still the case?

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2357705]Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now? Is Heaven Club still open and still good?
[/QUOTE]I hear that Kinnaree is the best, otherwise see if the clubs on Bong Koch 8 will suit. A word of warning that your list is out of date and there are clubs like Winchester which have closed. It may be worth a google.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2357471]The first pic says August 2 while the second one says August 1.[/QUOTE]They were 5 different conversations with 5 different people. No particular order intended.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2357705]
Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now?[/QUOTE]Kinnaree, Passion, KitCat, Babylon, soi Bong Koch 8 (soi Full Love inn).

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2357705] Is Heaven Club still open and still good??[/QUOTE]If you mean the club in Prathamnak, Soi Kasetsin 11 yes is still open, now is called New Heaven G. Club.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2357705]I have read before that prices are like Soi 6. Is this still the case?[/QUOTE]Not in all, in Babylon and KitCat girls try to asking more.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2357831]If you mean the club in Prathamnak, Soi Kasetsin 11 yes is still open, now is called New Heaven G. Club.[/QUOTE]Is this the one with swimming pool?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2357092]But this morning she texted me some sad faces. I asked why, as the night before she was going out shopping with friends. She told me she was going back to work at the bar again. Ugh. I asked why and she said she still had a responsibility to her family.[/QUOTE]This is classic passive aggressive behavior of a bar girl. She did not ask you for money directly, she just let you know she needed some money and was waiting for you to offer. She knows you like her and is playing into your feelings to get you to help her. She says she stopped working the bar and took a real job but now she is going back to fuck a bunch of different guys everyday because her family needs help. This is your cue to save her from having to sell her body and to save yourself from imagining her banging a bunch of guys that are not you. She wants you to be jealous and to pay her to not be a hooker.

None of this means she doesn't like you, I would guess she probably does. You are kind to her and treat her better than most guys she runs into. You are attentive and communicate with her which helps her not feel so lonely and empty when you are gone. She is a girl and she wants to feel emotions and be in love just like you do, so you both are playing the game, just on different terms.

I have some similar experiences as you are having.

The communication cycle is normal. At first you text everyday, all the time. But after a while that becomes a bit boring and you start to get busy with the real life in front of you instead of the fantasy and memories you left behind. So a few mornings you don't send a message early, you don't send the typical "good morning, have a great day, thinking about you" text. By afternoon you get the, "Why are you ignoring me", "have you forgotten me already" or the passive aggressive "contact me after your friend from last night leaves". To avoid problems you make sure you say good morning every day and then the fun turns into a chore. You start feeling like this is more work than it is fun.

The messages start drying up and life is busy and a few days go by. You try to keep it alive every few days with a "thinking of you" or just reducing it to sending some kissing emoji's and some smile faces. The texts stop for a while.

Then you plan another trip and revive the messages. Tell her you miss her and you coming to see her. The messages will pick back up as your now back in play. Things will go back to "normal" and soon you be back on track and sitting on a plane licking your lips thinking about your secret is waiting for you to arrive.

Do not doubt that she likes you, I am sure she does. But don't be a tool, be real and keep in mind that at the end of the day, it's all fun and games for both of you. The emotions and the I love you's make the time together more fun and satisfying for both of you. Keep that alive and keep on keeping on. Just be sure to also keep your head on your shoulders and your feet on the ground.

She loves you when you there but thinking she loves you when your gone, can be a fatal fantasy for a man searching for love in all the wrong places.

XOXOXO.

Made recently a visit to these clubs. In Happy, they were blocking Indian guys at the door, a doorman had a sign saying 200 (or 2. 000) baht to enter, the other two were just blocking a group of guys (a very old Black Guy not good looking was also blocked), because its in the end of an alley they have time to decide what to do. I am Caucasian and was allowed to enter without delays, inside there were mainly Japanese, in a ratio to Caucasians around 15/1, so I wonder if sooner or later this will be just a Japanese Go Go.

In terms of the place it was very expanded since last year, some external bier bars disappeared to make way to a bigger structure now with 3 stages, it was not full but still a large attendance. In terms of girls, there were definitly some lookers, it was an welcomed view after a beach road walk where 95 % of the Women were in the zone 3-4. Girls were not pushy for Lady drinks something is always a plus in my opinion. During my stay there was a Special show with some nude dancing from good looking girls, drinks were 145 Baht. I enjoyed my stay, it will be on my list of future visits.

Now Windmill, I left with mixed feelings. No doubt its the most naughty place in town for nudity and interaction with the girls, many years ago Whats Up also had this kind of environment but I never saw nothing like Windmill. The very big downside was the terrible look of many of the girls, unbelivable. When I left I could not understand how they could put many of those women on a stage, its not their fault but the management, I think the ones who went there recently will understand what I am saying. There were some nice girls, but the terrible ones shouldn't be on that job. Drinks were 140 Baht.

[QUOTE=BambooPete;2357955]Is this the one with swimming pool?[/QUOTE]I would also like to know more about Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. How are they different from GoGos or Beer Bars?

[QUOTE=HectorG;2358637]I would also like to know more about Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. How are they different from GoGos or Beer Bars?[/QUOTE]Depends on what type beer bar you are talking about. G Clubs are like beers bars on Soi 6 in that you pay for a room to fuck the girl in. Sometimes you will find better decoration in a G Club. Some also have food and a pool. At some G clubs the girls will dress better {evening dress) and put on better makeup. A gogo is more of a strip club where in most they do not take clothes off. They pretty much shuffle around on stage to music.

[QUOTE=Linyjo;2357983]This is classic passive aggressive behavior of a bar girl. [/QUOTE]Actually, it is not. I have only shared a fraction of the story.

In general, you are quite correct and you offer great advice on the subject. But, the responses I predict for Secret as being a typical BG are rarely even slightly accurate. A number of times I have predicted that she was about to ask for something or do something a BG would likely do, but she doesn't. She mostly has been acting like a normal woman who is depressed and unsure, who desperately wants to be loved but doesn't believe it will happen and who is doing something she finds repugnant and had never thought she would end up doing, so she holds back, and is afraid to open up. When she had to face remaining a BG for longer than what she was prepared to handle, facing men who degrade her, make fun of her, use use for fun and laughs, well, it finally made her so depressed she didn't want to talk to anyone about it. When you think you are bad, you tend to draw away from those you think good so you can stop thinking about how bad you think you are. I try to help her out here, reminding she is not bad, as she is trying to help her family.

She is starting to open up a bit more. I will be over there in 4 to 5 days but she has asked me nothing lately about me coming over. She did say she missed me finally, but it was "Miss you", not "When are you coming here to see me?! I miss you so much but you are ignoring me! Why? You find another girl?" That is BG talk! Secret never has been like that.

Anyway, the key thoughts are that we need to be careful. I am keeping a pretty good head on my shoulders here and not going off the deep end. If she stays a BG much longer I could see her staring to wonder why I am not doing more financially for her. I can understand a girl who is dying at her job wondering why her "rich" BF isn't helping her out much. Well, God lets us go through bad stuff and he doesn't help us much, but we hope he can at least give us comfort in our suffering and hope, eventually, for a better life. Which is what she is wanting for her and her family.

Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

2. If possible don't go for girls above 25 (unless you're itching a MILF that day) and in worst case 30. Just ask them to show their IDs playfully as they lie all the time. I feel women above 30 are a hardened lot, and the bodies aren't as elegant anymore. The choice of beautiful 20-something girls is plentiful here. Why settle for less, and reduce your ROI?

3. I personally just do GoGos only once per visit to see what's the latest trend. I think they've a total rip-off. They don't offer the best value for money for a real mongerer. And the girls are snobs there. Other waste of money are the soapies, oilies and overpriced Russian / CIS girls. Savor local while you're here.

4. Give a shot to Tinder and WeChat nearby function. Sometime you may find beautiful girls here. ThaiFriendly did not work for me and I hate its messaging system. So don't waste time on it.

5. On Soi 6, if a girl quotes you 1000, you should counter with 800. Tbh that's a very good price for 30 min boink, and the ones who don't accept that should be done away with.

6. Another big con-game is ladies drink. Never ever buy them. Just buy your drink and get on with the game, since your objective to be let sit in the bar is already met with that. And if your goal is to pick up a girl from that bar, don't order a drink for self unless you can somewhat sense that your target (s) is interested in going out with you. Otherwise just skirt from outside. Enquire barfine the first thing, that evinces your interest to pick up a girl and not just dawdle there. Some are 300 but a lot I see these days 400-500.

7. Try Insomnia and other clubs if you're in to freelancers. I really find them more easy going than establishment girls. Avoid beach road as lot of skanks and oldies there, they don't show a good sign of health.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2358649] Some also have food and a pool[/QUOTE]I went to homepages of G clubs and facebook, but I found only one club that has a pool (Heaven). Are there some others?

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.[/QUOTE]Bollyking, excellent report. I had to Google "Line ID". Is Line the preferred mode of communication among Thai girls now? I've used WhatsApp in the past with girls I've met in clubs. Good call on Insomnia too. That's a great discoteque and I would guess 95% of the girls in there are WG.

[QUOTE=HectorG;2359256]Is Line the preferred mode of communication among Thai girls now?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's more popular than Whatsapp in Asia and all the girls use it as data appears to be cheaper than voice.

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

2. If possible don't go for girls above 25 (unless you're itching a MILF that day) and in worst case 30. Just ask them to show their IDs playfully as they lie all the time. I feel women above 30 are a hardened lot, and the bodies aren't as elegant anymore. The choice of beautiful 20-something girls is plentiful here. Why settle for less, and reduce your ROI?

3. I personally just do GoGos only once per visit to see what's the latest trend. I think they've a total rip-off. They don't offer the best value for money for a real mongerer. And the girls are snobs there. Other waste of money are the soapies, oilies and overpriced Russian / CIS girls. Savor local while you're here.[/QUOTE]Being touchy feely with any woman in public places is a big NO NO in Thailand and you will soon get yourself into to problems should you carry on. Also Bars in Pattaya refuse admittance to people from India. The girl is doing a Job, if you refuse to buy her a LD as you advise then of course she is going to ignore you and be snobby because you think she is going to provide her company to you for free. Let me give you one bit of advice. If you want real fun in Pattaya you need to be prepared to splash the cash at least a little, or you are just going to be a miserable cheap charlie. You think a Soi 6 BG is going to let you fuck her for 800 baht? A good looking Girl will make more on Drinks and tips then let you fuck her for 800 baht, maybe with a older and uglier girl would go for 800 baht. You get what you pay for. And as they say in Pattaya "No money No honey good bye darling".

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

2. If possible don't go for girls above 25 (unless you're itching a MILF that day) and in worst case 30. Just ask them to show their IDs playfully as they lie all the time. I feel women above 30 are a hardened lot, and the bodies aren't as elegant anymore. The choice of beautiful 20-something girls is plentiful here. Why settle for less, and reduce your ROI?[/QUOTE]Responding to you in no specific order.

6 There is a reason why Indians are not admitted to clubs or bars or have to pre-purchase a drink at the door.

5 1000 TBH is a reasonable price to pay a Soi 6 for ST. I would expect your experience would sub par if you did in FACT knock the price down to 800-900 Baht.

For a guy who claims he goes to Pattaya once every 2 years I am surprised by your meanness.

1 Accosting women may be acceptable where you come from but I do not think it is appealing to Thai women.

2 I think you are having yourself and the forum on if you are claiming to be fucking beautiful 25 year old women for 800 TBH.

4 TF works just fine, is the problem with the 10 minute wait between messaging? Buy premium while you are there you CHEAP CHARLIE.

3 Only once because you don't buy drinks and are not allowed back in? I don't see gogo's as setting any trends. Since you have eliminated almost every other form of acquiring sex in Pattaya you are stuck with Soi 6 who by the way probably detest you because of point 5.

Apparently, Palace has happy hour now. Unfortunately, it starts at 01:30 AM. One of a kind.

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]3. I personally just do GoGos only once per visit to see what's the latest trend. I think they've a total rip-off. They don't offer the best value for money for a real mongerer. And the girls are snobs there. Other waste of money are the soapies, oilies and overpriced Russian / CIS girls. Savor local while you're here.[/QUOTE]Since you are a young man in your mid 30's with OK game why bother paying the hookers? Pick up the freebies.

I don't mind at all paying 2500 for an hour of soapy massage and fuck with a talented 25-30 YO Thai woman who knows how to handle a cock. I had recently a very nice session in Sabai Room.

Yes Agogos are expensive but if I want to play with a 20-25 year old Thai body with nice natural tits in my hotel bed then I have to spend some cash. This one in the picture costed 1500 + 3000 + drinks.

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

2. If possible don't go for girls above 25 (unless you're itching a MILF that day) and in worst case 30. Just ask them to show their IDs playfully as they lie all the time. I feel women above 30 are a hardened lot, and the bodies aren't as elegant anymore. The choice of beautiful 20-something girls is plentiful here. Why settle for less, and reduce your ROI?

3. I personally just do GoGos only once per visit to see what's the latest trend. I think they've a total rip-off. They don't offer the best value for money for a real mongerer. And the girls are snobs there. Other waste of money are the soapies, oilies and overpriced Russian / CIS girls. Savor local while you're here.

4. Give a shot to Tinder and WeChat nearby function. Sometime you may find beautiful girls here. ThaiFriendly did not work for me and I hate its messaging system. So don't waste time on it.

5. On Soi 6, if a girl quotes you 1000, you should counter with 800. Tbh that's a very good price for 30 min boink, and the ones who don't accept that should be done away with.

6. Another big con-game is ladies drink. Never ever buy them. Just buy your drink and get on with the game, since your objective to be let sit in the bar is already met with that. And if your goal is to pick up a girl from that bar, don't order a drink for self unless you can somewhat sense that your target (s) is interested in going out with you. Otherwise just skirt from outside. Enquire barfine the first thing, that evinces your interest to pick up a girl and not just dawdle there. Some are 300 but a lot I see these days 400-500.

7. Try Insomnia and other clubs if you're in to freelancers. I really find them more easy going than establishment girls. Avoid beach road as lot of skanks and oldies there, they don't show a good sign of health.[/QUOTE]฿700? For a decent freelancer that sounds like a group rate. How many in your group to get it down to that price?

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:[/QUOTE]Geez King, perhaps your post was meant to be informative and helpful but as you can see from most member's reactions cheeky cheap charlies with a self-described game are not really appreciated and sorry to say just perpetuate misguided prejudice's. Not sure if it's a budget issue with you, if so understandable but if not I would loosen the strings and who knows you may end up enjoying the experience of buying a drink for the locals without looking for something in return.

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]Hi,

I'm mid 30's Indian who just visited Pattaya for the sixth time in 14 years. All my stays have been minimum a week long or so but I always rtff before landing here. Here are some tips from my experience:

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

2. If possible don't go for girls above 25 (unless you're itching a MILF that day) and in worst case 30. Just ask them to show their IDs playfully as they lie all the time. I feel women above 30 are a hardened lot, and the bodies aren't as elegant anymore. The choice of beautiful 20-something girls is plentiful here. Why settle for less, and reduce your ROI?

3. I personally just do GoGos only once per visit to see what's the latest trend. I think they've a total rip-off. They don't offer the best value for money for a real mongerer. And the girls are snobs there. Other waste of money are the soapies, oilies and overpriced Russian / CIS girls. Savor local while you're here.

4. Give a shot to Tinder and WeChat nearby function. Sometime you may find beautiful girls here. ThaiFriendly did not work for me and I hate its messaging system. So don't waste time on it.

5. On Soi 6, if a girl quotes you 1000, you should counter with 800. Tbh that's a very good price for 30 min boink, and the ones who don't accept that should be done away with.

6. Another big con-game is ladies drink. Never ever buy them. Just buy your drink and get on with the game, since your objective to be let sit in the bar is already met with that. And if your goal is to pick up a girl from that bar, don't order a drink for self unless you can somewhat sense that your target (s) is interested in going out with you. Otherwise just skirt from outside. Enquire barfine the first thing, that evinces your interest to pick up a girl and not just dawdle there. Some are 300 but a lot I see these days 400-500.

7. Try Insomnia and other clubs if you're in to freelancers. I really find them more easy going than establishment girls. Avoid beach road as lot of skanks and oldies there, they don't show a good sign of health.[/QUOTE]As others already posted: you give the advice for a cheap charly on a very low budget. So far, so good; not everyone is a big spender.

But more important is that your post can be taken as confirmation of the prejudice about indian men: they treat women like second class humans.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2360930]But more important is that your post can be taken as confirmation of the prejudice about indian men: they treat women like second class humans.[/QUOTE]I probably missed the part of his post where he was treating girls like "second class humans".

Anyway, even if his "tips" are not all very wise IMO (as said in a previous post, it's better to not be touchy feely with random girls in the streets or in the malls), I feel like his post is a mix of what we can read on ISG in the last few years on the Pattaya thread. The guy might even never have put a foot in Pattaya before editing his post.

It's OK to go in Pattaya and not spend loads of bucks on girls or drinks (Never paying drinks for bargirls or not taking a drink for oneself is a bad advice though). There are probably more people doing it that way than the opposite way. It all depends on which reason you're there for and what you have most: time or money?

It's been a long time I didn't see a review about Insomnia or Ibar, is it still a sausage fuckfest? Last time I've been in Insomnia (in 2015) I found only one girl that looked ok and she quoted me 4 K. Normally I would laugh at such a price but I didn't even want to laugh as I was shocked at how the girls took advantage over the guys and were expecting to be paid such an amount in that shithole. I was a regular of that place untill 2012 and could regularly meet cute twenty'ish girls there, but then saw quality going down at each new trip and prices were going up in the same time.

Trying to bring down the soi6 girl at 800 is a good idea (but if she doesn't want and you like her, take her anyway), but is probably a better idea for guys that stay in Patts long time or go there regularly. It's been said multiple times on ISG that some of these girls are willing to lower their price to go with some customers.

Don't fall for the Russian / CIS girls is good advice, except if they are not WG.

Arn Poddict,

Superb photo. Is it possible to just get her digits and not pay the barfine and lady drinks? Cheers.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2360677]Geez King, perhaps your post was meant to be informative and helpful but as you can see from most member's reactions cheeky cheap charlies with a self-described game are not really appreciated ............[/QUOTE]Attacks on a Cheap Charlie! How laughable in the Pattaya forum! Why pick on this guy when, from all accounts, most of the posters and residents here are Cheap Charlies?

[QUOTE=RobJones;2360224]Responding to you in no specific order.

6 There is a reason why Indians are not admitted to clubs or bars or have to pre-purchase a drink at the door.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Got a few laughs. We certainly get to see why Indians are sometimes seen as not desirable customers, and refused entry to some bars. Applying India standards of Frugality (meanness) in Thailand probably is not a great idea. However he seemed happy his "game" worked for him.

Indians seem to believe that every girl will start on a price too high and then drop it down to a price too low. I know from experience though that one of my semi-regular girls (already offering a low price) refuses to bargain with guys. She says she likes Farangs. Probably does not get many non Farangs. Many guys (various nationalities) were trying to offer her sub 1 K prices and she was not the slightest bit interested to talk to them. After all, she was superior looking in the area (although far too skinny to suit some), and not finding it difficult to get a customer that will pay her price. Yeh, I agree that bargaining below 1 K can work, but for the most desperate of girls, that are generally not wanted.

Strangely when girls have offered me bargain basement prices (below 1 K) out on the street, I knocked them back. Just were not doable.

[QUOTE=Bollyking77;2358949]
1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.
[/QUOTE]A Farang female told me how she had a hard time in India, with the culture there seeming to accept that guys on the street would try to touch her up, however this is not acceptable in Thailand, and most countries. So forget this touchy feely thing unless girls are coming on to you and hookers, or ladyboys perhaps.

Now your "Game" is something that matters when you try to get a free fuck, but somewhat irrelevant with hookers, others than needing to have acceptable behaviours and pay a suitable amount. Perhaps relevant with semi-hookers (part timers).

Groping goes on in Thailand, yes, in bars (behind closed doors), not so much in public although Pattaya may have an anything goes standard for behaviour of Thais, I am not sure.

My rule for touching girls, is move slowly and don't be sneeky. She can always escape from it if she needs to. If the girl encourages me to touch her, then fine (e. G. The bargirl is happy for my hand to be in her panties. Part of her sell).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2361441]Ha ha. Got a few laughs. We certainly get to see why Indians are sometimes seen as not desirable customers, and refused entry to some bars. Applying India standards of Frugality (meanness) in Thailand probably is not a great idea. [/QUOTE]I prefer the bars that won't even let them in. The ones who say "sorry, members only" when an Indian tries to enter. When I see those bars turning Indians away saying members only, I mark those bars down as favorites and give them as much business as possible.

IMHO these 2 clubs still attracts the most good looking girls in Pattaya but it attracts as well guys who think they are sent from god and pretend a good free fuck or else first timers in Thailand who don't know the real game! I frequent this place lot of times and there is a huge variety of ladies and my approach was always a money transaction agreement. It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. Being their day off they prefer to party hard but a long time for 5 k will be a bonus that's why they gamble! In fact by 4 am there are still loads of girls getting wasted. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2361152]I probably missed the part of his post where he was treating girls like "second class humans".

Anyway, even if his "tips" are not all very wise IMO (as said in a previous post, it's better to not be touchy feely with random girls in the streets or in the malls), I feel like his post is a mix of what we can read on ISG in the last few years on the Pattaya thread. The guy might even never have put a foot in Pattaya before editing his post.

It's OK to go in Pattaya and not spend loads of bucks on girls or drinks (Never paying drinks for bargirls or not taking a drink for oneself is a bad advice though). There are probably more people doing it that way than the opposite way. It all depends on which reason you're there for and what you have most: time or money?

It's been a long time I didn't see a review about Insomnia or Ibar, is it still a sausage fuckfest? Last time I've been in Insomnia (in 2015) I found only one girl that looked ok and she quoted me 4 K. Normally I would laugh at such a price but I didn't even want to laugh as I was shocked at how the girls took advantage over the guys and were expecting to be paid such an amount in that shithole..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2361588] It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. Being their day off they prefer to party hard but a long time for 5 k will be a bonus that's why they gamble! [/QUOTE]I'm amazed to hear these crazy amounts being thrown around. Sounds like a f-off quotation to me. I seldom take girls from Insomnia, but the quotes I get from the clingons are usually 1500. One who just followed me back to hotel didn't ask anything, gave her free lunch and 1200 the next day and she thanked with a nice wai, I don't know what she had expected but I like to pay at least some happy girl insurance.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2361588]


In fact by 4 am there are still loads of girls getting wasted. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.[/QUOTE]You can buy a membership card that will give you discount on all drinks, well worth it if you visit regularly.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2361588]IMHO these 2 clubs still attracts the most good looking girls in Pattaya but it attracts as well guys who think they are sent from god and pretend a good free fuck or else first timers in Thailand who don't know the real game! It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.[/QUOTE]Why do you care what other guys are doing? There are rarely gogo chicks on their day off in iBar. Chicks do not go to Pattaya to have days off. It is a freelance joint. There is no link between anyone to get any commission. It is simply one price for rich foreigners and a lower price for poor Thai locals for certain drinks. I have been to iBar 100 times and have never bought a drink for a chick. There is no need to. But if you insist, then just sneak 100 baht to her and let her order it on her own. Every club in Pattaya is like this, not just iBar.

You would have to be a damn fool to give one of those chicks 4000 or 5000 baht. I have never even read a report of them even asking for that much. Take note from Pete Nut's report below. That is how things are supposed to be done.

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Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 1-2.

Left LAX in wee hours of late Sunday night (actually Monday morning, being the wee hours), EVA Airlines bound for BKK via TPE. I cashed in some miles to get upgraded to business class into TPE, then premium economy on into BKK. As I typical for EVA, the flight went well.

I am actually writing the first entry of the first draft of this sitting in the EVA lounge in TPE. I will arrive in BKK a bit after 11 AM Tuesday. I read the Thai Visa forums which seems to have a lot of bloviating expats who can't find anything to like about Thailand but continue to stay there. Two typical comments or complaints I seem to notice the most is that is that the Chinese don't go into the WS bars in Pattaya (huh? And the immigration lines at BKK are hours long. I hope I prove them wrong. After arriving at BKK I will be met by one of Nam's limo drivers.

I have been checking out some ladies on Thai Friendly, and I found the massage girl I had the hots for on Soi 13/1 last time. She, Aon, is a classic beauty and I was pleased to see her images on TF. I made contract with her and her only question was did she give me a happy ending or just a massage. Haha. Well, no happy ending for me as I can't end from a HJ nor BJ, which is all she had offered me, but I may stop by after I arrive for, if nothing more, a basic massage. For more than a basic massage from her I want to have FS, but as is, she stays fully dressed and she kneels between your legs on the bed so you can't really get in much touching. She gives a nice massage so I think I will go see her and, now that I know she advertises on TF, perhaps she would be willing to give more outside of work now. That is what I would want to inquire about.

There is still Secret to contend with. She became a little more talkative before I left. She had briefly mentioned a while back she problems with her phone, and she brought them up again, saying she didn't want to get it fixed yet fearing she would lose my Line ID. I sent her my email, but have not heard much more. She is back in the silent mode, which is unlike how a typical BG would be reacting when her foolish client is just days away from coming to see her. So, I don't know what I am going to do. The strong feelings we had seem to be nearly dead. I wonder if she has a boyfriend and that is why our communications seemed to die down so quickly. I don't know, but were I to predict the future, things will likely come to an end before I leave Pattaya, and that will be a good thing overall. We are not right for each other. It can't work. A brief love affair is fine, and I guess I hope we have a couple more good days before it comes to a gentle end. But I have that nagging feeling she has a BF and the end will come a little harder. Well, if she has a boyfriend I can still be her client, but then she would be just another BF.

Well, why waste time thinking about the unknown when in a few more hours I will begin the search for truth! Off to catch my flight to BKK!

Taipei had problems getting planes out for some reason. There is some construction going on, but it delayed our departure about an hour and I don't know why. I may have my directions mixed up, but we were parked on the north side and were delayed 20 minutes pulling back. Then we were sent around to the south side and it took another 20 minutes to get almost to the end for takeoff. Departures and landings on that runway were very slow but we were at the point when there was just one plane ahead of us and then they sent us back the north side! Yet another 20 minute delay. The pilots, other than the first push back delay, never did explain any of this to us which would have been nice.

Anyway, the flight to BKK went smoothly. I had read online on [URL]Thaivisa.com[/URL] that the immigration wait times at BKK were horrendous. Posters there were saying the airports had hours of immigration lines while the streets of Phuket and Pattaya were empty. What is the truth? For me, the immigration line was about the shortest ever. When I got to the line I was number 7. I lucked out and my line had two officers, so I practically whizzed through and my bag was waiting for me. So, from the time I stepped off the plane to the time I walked out of immigration minus the walking time was not even 10 minutes. Not to say the airport was not busy, but for me, I had no problems at BKK at all.

Got Nam's limo to Pattaya. When I landed and got inside I emailed her to let her know I was late. I hate having drivers wait, but they had my flight information and if they looked they could see the flight was late, but I wanted to let them know. The driver was waiting for me. She was young and cute and was quite professional and took maybe 1:15 to get me to my hotel. The Pattaya traffic was lighter than last time (April / May), but hardly sparse.

Checked in at the Flipper House was efficient. I actually have two bookings. The first is through next Saturday and the second is for the last 5 or 6 days of my trip. I like to split up the booking as it is better to make reservations well in advance, but sometimes it can be difficult to change the days (like add a day or subtract a day) and you have to get the approval of the hotel to do so. In this case, I wanted to be able to take those last few days to possibly leave Pattaya before going home. In this case, I have 7 days advance free cancellation. So, if things go well with Secret I could take her to Phuket or, if they didn't go well, I could stay in town or possibly go meet my so-called Thai GF. I have until Friday to cancel without a fee. But actually, the staff saw that I had two bookings but I forgot to book Saturday night. If I wanted to do that, the room was available (their biggest suite) and I could have it at the same rate. I told them I was considering cancelling, but would let them know if I wanted it.

Anyway, I am checked in through next Saturday. After some light unpacking I decided to do some walking to try to burn up some calories from all the airplane food, and possibly see Aon at Supivida (spelling) massage on Soi 13/1. I walked down there but she was busy, so walked around 13/1 and 13/2, passed back by to see Aon but she apparently was still busy.

I walked all the way to Soi 6, but how would it go? That is where Secret is working and though she should know I will be there by the end of the week, I have never told her exactly. She has never asked me, either. I was still planning to avoid seeing her for a few days. We had texted a little more but 3 days have now gone by without me hearing anything. Pure logic shows that whatever relationship we once had was now pretty much gone, which while painful it is the predictable outcome that has to be. I have known this all along and that this was the price to be paid for letting myself get emotional with a much younger woman. (I do not call her a bar girl as she is not acting to me like she is a bar girl, and she situation would not be too much different if I had fallen for a non-working girl, I. E. A basic vacation love affair.).

Anyway, I walked all the way and entered the street maybe around 4:30 PM. There were plenty of ladies and I could tell the number of males was down. I could also tell times were low as I got cat-called far more than last time. When the youngins are cat-calling the old dudes, times are slow in Pattaya! I got a accosted by a couple but I let myself get stopped by Bea at Ruby. She was looking good and I remembered she was surprisingly good last time, so I thought why not, I will let her be my first. She comes across as a bit of a nerd, as she wears glasses, but either because she knew me from before or she was hungrier in the low season, she was a little more aggressive and gave me some light kisses. I didn't see any need to prolong things, so after not too long I just blurted out that I wanted to take her upstairs. She seemed surprised that she didn't have to work too hard but happy to take me up. I paid the fine (300 I think, but I really don't remember) and up we went. The room was nice enough with its own shower and toilet. We each undressed and she gave me a reasonable shower and we proceeded to bed. She was quite happy to start out with some foreplay that soon got intense. Very intense. Near GFE in fact. She was happy to let me play and was not at all in a hurry. I remembered that last time she was surprising in her actions, and she surpassed that today. I do think that as a lady gets to know you she will open up if she likes you, and she is more likely to come to like you if you are respectful of her. They don't like to be grabbed or looked down upon. But yeah, our session was great. Pretty close to a 10 with the passion she showed.

Of course, I couldn't release, but she tried. And as usual, it is all totally my fault. I wonder if by trying to delay my release I instead prevent it. I mean, I seem to go a little but numb after a few minutes. I start off feeling pretty good and thinking I will be able to release, but before I know it I just lose the feelings. I can rest a bit and restart and things will feel great, but that point of release eludes me and I collapse into a quivering heap of frustration.

She has a nice face, maybe an 8, a good tight body (maybe an 8 or a little higher, with the only negatives are she is has a bit of a boyish figure) but her butt is very nice to touch, with boobs that have lost some firmness, but are still soft and hot sagging, and close to a nice handful. Nice nipples. Near perfect skin – no tats or unsightly molds or things. Nothing about her is unappealing. Oh, and her V is tight, shaven and very pretty. I did not detect any mommy stretches. (Well, later I found out she had two kids and she was 37. It blew me away.) As she tried and was otherwise practically a full GFE due to the touching and kissing and passion, I tipped her 200 baht. We concluded with a shower and hugs goodbye.

I continued down the street and was about ready to divert to Soi 6/1 but Jin at Horny bar saw me so I went to see her. Jin and I spent a few days together last November, but after Secret, she fell out of favor. She is another honest, caring BG, older, but level-headed and a sweet woman if you are nice to her. I soured on her a little due to her drinking last time, plus Secret stole my heart, and I now immediately saw she had put on a few pounds. She is still attractive for her age, with near perfect skin and still with a nice body, but I don't know that I will ever BF her again. But I consider her a friend. We talked a little, but no BF with her. She mentioned the electricity to Soi 6 was going to be cut off from about 9 AM to 3 PM the next day (Wednesday), and she asked if she could stay at my hotel during that time. I said OK. She will probably nap during that time. Nothing sexual was implied. But as I stepped away from the bar, it struck me that if I now went to see Secret (ok, I said I wasn't going to see her, but I was thinking about it.) I would be unable to long time her. But, she has not that far away. The girl I claimed to have feelings of love for was less than 100 yards away! And I walked away. I could text Jin not to come. I could see Secret and likely have that wonderful release with her. Unless she would now insist on a condom because. She had a BF. Sigh.

Let me interject that a big tour group of Chinese tourists came walking down the street before I left Jin. A whole bus load of men and women. I don't like seeing that. Pattatya built up a delicate balance with the bars, the women and the mongerors. This is messing it all up potentially. It is happening in Phuket. Good or bad overall for the people of Thailand? I don't know.

But as I was walking down Soi 6/1 fighting off the LBs, the urge to see Secret got me to venture over a cross street to take a peek at her bar. I did not see her. She was either in the back or was out with some random dude. Sigh. The price we pay for falling for a bar girl.

It was quite dark by this time. I walked back down to Soi 7 for taco Tuesday night, then back to the hotel to rest a little before heading to WS. I am jet lagged a bit but I decided I did not want to nap. When I nap in the evening of the first day it always screws my body up. I think it best to fight off the urge to sleep and just get out there, walk around and get the adrenalin to power your way through. And that is what I did. And I was curious as to how busy WS would be, given the claims Thailand was losing tourists.

I found actually found WS to be quite busy. No, not super crowded, but there were plenty of people. I went into a few bars and the Chinse were still there chain smoking and while none were brimming full and seats could be had at all, they were hardly bare. Outside, there were still plenty of people, though with perhaps more Indians now.

I ended up at Red Car and ended up with Lee, a late 30's, or probably an early 40's lady looking to get picked up. She was nothing special but was ok for her age, plus I was jet lagged and was actually leaving when she caught my eye, so it was either her or no one. I took her home as she offered 1000 baht for short time. She was ok but I figured no way would I come with her so I used one of my less favored Aoni condoms. I have had breakage problems with them and, sure enough, it broke as soon as I entered her. I actually think she put it on much too tight. I tried another one, putting it on myself and, with some added lube, it worked fine. And heck, it actually felt pretty good and, yeah, maybe I would be able to come with her and.yeah, right. I fail, she wondered why, so then I explained it, she sympathizes but explains why she can't, I agree and say I wasn't asking for BB, blab la bla. Same of stuff, just answering question as to why I couldn't come and what could she do to help me. And no, a BJ now won't help and no a HJ won't do it, etc.

She left and I managed to sleep without too much trouble.

So, this first day has been a long day but I manage to have two ladies. I have no idea what might happen with Secret but things are not looking well, but that is ok.

Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 3, August 21.

Day 1 was a very long day with the travel but I think I actually held up quite well. Jin came over as I mentioned at about 10:30. We ate breakfast then she crashed while I went out and got a SIM card then tried to correct issues with my phone. I got a new phone and I am using the old phone for my travel phone, I had some problems with Viper and Line as a result. I unwisely decided to go to McD's to sip a Coke while I worked the issues and, well if I am here, since I didn't stuff myself for breakfast at the hotel, I will stuff myself now with a cheeseburger and fries. Oh well, it lasted me for the rest of day.

While I was out I decided to contact Secret again. To my surprise she texted me back fairly quickly. I learned she had been home and was just now returning to Pattaya and would bet here at the start of business. So, she was not with a random dude last night and she just completing a 10 hour bus ride. Well, ok, now what do I do? Rather than discuss the possibilities I will simply tell you. Once Jin left at 2:30 I headed to Soi 6, still no really sure what I was going to do. I considered going back to Ruby to partake of one of the other lovey ladies I had seen the day before when I was with the delightful Bea. I did make it to Ruby, and Bea was right there and she was tempting, but I had to accept that my heart wanted Secret at that point. I mean, the only reason I am here in Pattaya in August was to see her. That was the original intent of this trip. So I spoke to Bea and said I liked her and would likely come back to her, but I had to keep going. She understood and then I beelined to Secret's bar, not sure if I might find her with a dude or how she would react to seeing me. I went inside and didn't see her at first, but I hear a cry and there she is, in the back, and she is totally surprised and she comes out to give me a very firm hug. She seem super happy, and hugs me a few more times, and the other girls are happy and she shows me off to her new friend in the bar. And all seems right with the world for a little bit, seeing her pure happiness and repeated hugs. Even the bar manager gives me a big thumbs up.

But our language problem shows up quickly, but I guess we overlook them and before long I ask if she wants to get out of there and she says yes. She goes to get her stuff and I am little taken aback that she comes back wearing her bar's shirt and shorts. I am not keen on my girl advertising the bar where she works when she is out with me, but oh well. Maybe I will offer to buy her some more appropriate clothes, but yet I don't want her to think I am ashamed of her, either. Sigh. We head to my hotel and she says she is tried from the very long bus trip, and I am still jet lagged, so we nap for a few hours. When we wake we head to WS and listen to music before coming back. She is being somewhat affectionate but once in bed, she starts to chill. This is repeating a pattern from last time. What the heck? She simply lies there, playing with my Johnson, but not even moving her fact to kiss me. I am about ready to just roll over and sleep, but I have been stupid before when a lady is not showing affection and I simply calling it off, as I don't wish to have sex with a woman who is not showing any desire even if I paid for it. Yes, possibly stupid for me, but I can sleep at night too. But, this was different with her as we have expressed our "love", and this might be my only chance of bare back sex as we could break up at any time, and, thus, this could possibly be my only chance for some relief for this whole trip! So I decided to romance her best I could. I did tell her there was more to me than just my dick and I started to try to get her more excited. (At this point her V was still dry.) I was a little bit aggressive with the kissing, but I kept it gentle and dry (no wet tongues), and I tried to be like two lovers who had not seen each other in 3 months and was ready for some passion and that she was simply exhausted but still ready to be made love to. It worked. After I did oral on her she got soaking wet, but I delayed intercourse until I literally thought I might explode. It was pure heaven when I did enter her, and I alternated between giving her oral and giving her my Johnson. She started moaning and I believe she came. I continued with the changing tactics, then got her into doggie where I finally let lose. Awesome. There was certainly tons of affection from me, but she has never really been aggressive with me. (No idea how she is like with the other random dudes.).

So while she did as I wanted, and she was enjoying the physical pleasures, I still didn't feel the love. And after the shower, she kept her distance from me, just like our last night we were together that I found so confusing. After the sun came up she was a bit fitful in her sleep, but she did come close to me and wrapped me her arms around me. At 10:30 she got up, saying she had to go to her hotel. Yeah, the day before she told me she couldn't sleep at the bar (not sure if that meant the sleeping conditions at the bar made it so she slept poorly – which is what Jin had hold me or if she was not allowed to sleep there). Anyway, she had a cheap hotel room and she needed to go there. Possibly she kept her stuff there and, not expecting to be BF's that first day, she had not brought her normal street wear to work that day. Or, and the thought hit me, she may have a boyfriend there. I mean, to me it seemed like her feelings for me cooled very quickly, like she got a boy friend but, like most BGs, they won't admit they have one. But I could be wrong on that. I can understand her getting a cheap room (and she maintains an apartment in the city where she used to work before becoming a BG – or it belongs to a BF! So she may indeed have a cheap room simply for sleep in Pattaya.

But without a lot of affection she leaves. I ask if she wants to see me again and she appears to ignore me, who knows. I get a kiss and she leaves. I went into the bathroom and see she left her toothbrush kit. I texted her to see if that means she wants to come back and she says yes. Sigh. I tell her I will see her later. I can probably extend this so-called relationship a little while longer. I would like to sit down with her and try to figure out what happened. As I said, we HAVE to breakup. A breakup is inevitable. Maybe it has already happened in her eyes but I am that good friend. Maybe I crossing from her thinking I am her lover to a client finally. I don't know.

So, this second day in Pattaya ends mixed. I am with Secret and I just had one of the best lovemaking sessions of my life. But her lack of emotion, other than when she first sees me, is telling. I need to clear this up. Is she holding back out of fear (logical) or has her feelings actually died down. Her reaction in the bar was not fake and it was real. So, I don't know. I should not be trying to over analyze this. But as I have said, I already know it is ending. But exactly HOW will it end?

I want to add that editing these reports takes a very long time, and sometimes I try to rush things so I can get out there. So if I get my tenses mixed up for leave out some words or use the wrong words, please forgive.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2361902]Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 3, August 21.

So, this second day in Pattaya ends mixed. I am with Secret and I just had one of the best lovemaking sessions of my life. But her lack of emotion, other than when she first sees me, is telling. I need to clear this up. Is she holding back out of fear (logical) or has her feelings actually died down. Her reaction in the bar was not fake and it was real. So, I don't know. I should not be trying to over analyze this. But as I have said, I already know it is ending. But exactly HOW will it end?.[/QUOTE]In my experience, the girls become cold when you keep going back to them. It's almost like they don't want you to repeat with them.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2362021]In my experience, the girls become cold when you keep going back to them. It's almost like they don't want you to repeat with them.[/QUOTE]There is definitely something to that. Like they don't feel like they deserve it and almost seek out to make sure it doesn't get serious. Another thing I've noticed is I tend to want to help them and end providing what I think is helpful advice. They usually don't want it. I think a lot of these girls are fiercely independent and don't need daddy telling them what to do. They had that already!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2362123]There is definitely something to that. Like they don't feel like they deserve it and almost seek out to make sure it doesn't get serious. Another thing I've noticed is I tend to want to help them and end providing what I think is helpful advice. They usually don't want it. I think a lot of these girls are fiercely independent and don't need daddy telling them what to do. They had that already![/QUOTE]They do not need your advice. They need money. Unless your advice is going to pay off dad's truck, pay the mafia loan they owe, get them some land, and put a house on it. I guess this has to be reshown every so often.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2361894]possibly see Aon at Supivida (spelling) massage on Soi 13/1. [/QUOTE]Hilarious. I met the same chick on WeChat or Tinder last year. I went up there to see her in person and that was about it. My impression is that she is just on the site to get you to come up to the shop for a massage.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362129]They do not need your advice. They need money. Unless your advice is going to pay off dad's truck, pay the mafia loan they owe, get them some land, and put a house on it. I guess this has to be reshown every so often.[/QUOTE]Yep. Pretty much spot on!

FL Hawk buddy keep it coming. I love to read the real life soap opera. It is soooo much easier to be like Mr E and others and just treat it as a business transaction. Soooo much easier. But I am like you and like treading the girlfriend line even tho it leads to pain. The high is so worth it IMO.

Was it totally painful to see my Thifany cavorting with her new husband on Instagram? Absolutely. Happy for her. But it totally sucks too! So did I go back to transactional only?

Nope. Picked up a new SB type "girlfriend" in Buenos Aires who is better and more real than Thifany the unicorn if that is possible. And it's totally awesome. I know factually some dude with more coin will come along and she will ghost me. But in the moment it's magical and can't be replicated with transactions. (Not that I've quit that!

So keep riding the thin girlfriend-line on that slippery slope man! Rock on FL Hawk!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2362131]Hilarious. I met the same chick on WeChat or Tinder last year. I went up there to see her in person and that was about it. My impression is that she is just on the site to get you to come up to the shop for a massage.[/QUOTE]Well, if you don't go for the HJ "special" she will do a BJ, but that is it. But I swear she looked hotter last April. She does a decent job, but as I said, her clothes stay on. A year or two earlier a girl there would do boom boom, but I have found you get better value on Soi 6. Go there for a massage, but control yourself as she give you a free sample, and go to Soi 6 for a real happy ending.

Trip Report, Thursday, Day 4, August 22.

Note: I realized my previous report was titled as being on Tuesday. It should have read Wednesday.

I ate breakfast alone after Secret left. She didn't want to eat with me. For whatever reason she had to hurry back to the hotel room. She tried to explain to me why but I didn't understand. I could have grabbed the iphone for a translation, but did the reasons really matter? I could see her phone appeared to be working well but, again, for the whole day I never got a message from her.

I worked on my reports and finally headed to Soi 6 around 3 PM. Maybe it was later, as the sun was right in my eyes walking down the street. I had thoughts of getting TF or Tinder girl over, but Soi 6 has a strong pull on me. I guess I was on a mission, as I pretty much seemed to head right to Ruby Bar. Bea was busy but a cute named Sai captured me and, with some hesitation on my part, I went inside. She was very petite, which I like. I order my drink and while waiting Bea was free and I waved to her. She came over and I said something and she thought I meant I was hot, so she went to get a cold cloth. She new I chose someone else but she was still cheerful so I offered her a drink to. That was good as she was able to interpret a bit with Sai. Sai was a newby to Pattaya, being there just one week apparently. This is where I learned Bea was 37 with two teenagers, which stunned me, and that Sai was 24 with two toddlers. I was having some doubts about Sai as I noticed she had a tad bit of fat around her tummy, but she was otherwise pleasant and these newbies can sometimes be awesome, while at other times dudes. Oh, well, why not take a chance?

She was happy to be bar fined so up we go, to the same room I was in with Bea. But I have to shower myself. Hmmm. Not starting off so good. Then naked in bed, she keeps a towel on, and immediately starts a BJ. Sigh. This is not starting off so good. But, her BJ is interesting. She starts off slow and with just the tip, and she teases a little, and eventually she takes in the whole thing. Her petite hands makes me look massive so in due course she has me at full staff. She quickly puts on the my secret weapon condom my Okamo Zero One Large. No, I am not a large guy, but I had tried their regular and found it too tight and difficult to unroll. Their large fits me well. So time to finally enter this lady.

She was quite tight. How, with two kids? But she was hard to get in and she appeared to be in pain. Once inside, it felt good, but if I pull out a little to far it was light the tightness would pull me out of her. That action happened a number of times. But that tightness felt amazing, but seeing her in apparent pain was unsettling. I asked her if she hurt but she didn't seem to understand. She was not exactly super wet and I tried to use saliva, and I was cursing myself for not bringing a small bottle of lube. I brought some with me to Thailand, but failed to take it with me today. We managed a few positions but the spit was losing effectiveness and she thought she tried to put up with it, it was too much and we had to stop. We said to come back tomorrow and she would have KY. So, yeah, I have to pay another 1000? I don't paying 1000 and while I know I can ask them to drop the price, I don't bother. But, if there is a next time, I think I will ask for lower. I got jipped! Why a BG doesn't carry KY with her, beats me. But certainly many do not, hence the reason I bring my own. Except today.

I think that I won't bother to see her again, as Bea was much more fun, but as I think about it I may indeed see her again just to experience that tight V. When there was wetness she actually felt pretty good. After the session I did talk to Bea and said the session wasn't that great so maybe she will talk to Said, IDK. But, we will see.

So I left and I think I had it in my mind to go to Secret. But I had to get past Jin.

Actually, yesterday when I left Bea, I say Jin but she was looking away at the time and didn't see me. But this time, she was out front and saw me and, yeah, I could ignore her, but she is alike a friend now so I went over. After a bit she asked me where I had been yesterday. I was honest and said I was out there and didn't see her. She said she knew I was there and I bar fined a girl. I asked what I did after that, a little perturbed she was invading my privacy. She was upset but she kept most of it to herself and asked if I was going to BF her. I ignored the question and she didn't raise it again. After some awkward minutes I said I needed to leave. I paid for the drinks and gave her a tip, which I said to use to feed the cats. We both love cats and she takes care of strays at home, so I have before given her money for that. She was happy enough to hug me, and I left to go to Secret.

The street was still not busy and Secret was alone and very happy to see me. I am seeing she seems different in the bar that alone, and that does not bode well. I mentioned about the night before and her not kissing me and she either doesn't quite understand or she whatever, but she brushes it aside. Here and now she is overjoyed. My cynical part is saying, of course, she is at work and now she knows she can make some money. Sigh. But after a while I am getting hungry and ask if she is and she says she is so I LT her. We eventually go to Terminal 21 and she seems to enjoy just walking around and is not embarrassed to hold my hand. She is also wearing more appropriate clothing. She is not interested in expensive food and is happy with KFC. At first she was not going to each much, but she orders these egg tart things which are really pretty good and we end up stuffing ourselves. Then we go back to WS and Stones House again. Some of band members there have gotten to recognize us now and they were happy to see us. I was getting super tired by 11:30 and if I closed my eyes I would dose and wake up immediately as I started falling. She was getting tired too, probably after being home and that long trip on a bus back at night, so by 12:30 we headed to the hotel. I think our session went better. We had a brief talk that I will keep private (though our language barrier makes is difficult and we never really know if the other understands), but I think she had a better big O. It all felt amazing for me. But it was more of the same after the sex ended.

Then this morning she had to get up early to go to her apartment to do the laundry. Once again, she is leaving me. I point out asked her if she had a BF. Her eyes opened up in shocked and she said no. I think I believe her. But I still have not sat her down with the translator apps and tried to figure things out. Maybe I am scared to end this, to end the bareback sex, to lose the possibilities, just yet. I still have over a week here and not yet ready to end this thing.

So, this day was not great, but not bad, and the uncertainties continue. I am acting like it is ending, by seeing other girls, so if I have no faith, how can she? I am basically cheating on her from 100 or 200 yards away! In her own backyard! But if she had not changed in behavior 5 weeks ago, she and I would be preparing for our trip to Phuket. Well, tomorrow is another day. At it is about time to head out. I do what to hit up a tailor, one recommended by Mr. E. I will do that tomorrow, then maybe seen Aon while I am down there, then see what happens of Soi 6!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2362254]Trip Report, Thursday, Day 4, August 22.

I was having some doubts about Sai as I noticed she had a tad bit of fat around her tummy, but she was otherwise pleasant and these newbies can sometimes be awesome, while at other times dudes. Oh, well, why not take a chance?[/QUOTE]I hope you meant to say "duds" instead of "dudes" FL Hawk. If not, then you're probably on Soi 6/1 instead of Soi 6. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=David2;2362266]I hope you meant to say "duds" instead of "dudes" FL Hawk. If not, then you're probably on Soi 6/1 instead of Soi 6. Just sayin.[/QUOTE]Apparently you missed the part where he said her vagina was almost too tight?

Trip Report, Friday, Day 5, August 23.

I spent until after 2 PM working on my reports and actually got 2 posted today! I then decided to head down to near Soi 13/3 to the High Five tailor shop, recommend by Mr. E, to see about a suit being made. If Mr. E recommends a place you know it is good. For $205 they will make a custom tailored basic suit, pants and a silk shirt. You can get higher priced options, but this seemed to be a solid suit and since I will likely wear it only a couple of times for the rest of my life, I don't need any higher quality. He can have one made in a day, but to get the most out of custom tailoring he needs a couple of days to get a couple of fittings in.

Next I went to 13/1 to that massage place, Supinda, or whatever, with Aon, who I guess I mistakenly identified as Aom in past reports. She was there this time, sitting outside, and I almost didn't recognize her. She has gained a little more weight than I remember and her face was not quite up her Thai Friendly image, but it was her and the classic beauty of her face could still be seen. I went in for simple a massage. She sort of remembered me and during the massage she tried to sell me the "special", and she gave a free sample, but for the price I can get all of that on Soi 6 plus boom boom and, usually, BJ. She upgraded the offer to BJ, and it was tempting, and she had done a good job before, but again, you can get that and boom boom on Soi 6 from a young naked lass for less. I enjoyed the massage and the freebie HJ, which showed my Apcalis was working.

Next I headed up to Soi 6, not totally sure of what I would do. But while waiting for Secret to text me and say she was ready to see me, I shifted mental compartments to, I don't know, Jerk Mode or maybe just Single Man in Pattaya Mode, and thought I would try to find a more full figured gal with plenty of boobs for a changed. I love petite girls but miss some feeling some real boobs on occasion. I found Pat at the Hero Bar. She was not quite ideal but she had the boobs and was pleasant enough. Her English was ok so I went in then ended upstairs with her. 300 BF and 1000 for her. She was not so great in bed. No BJ and she was fairly inactive. Boobs were large and real and felt good but we really had no chemistry and I was doomed to failure. Not only do I have to worry about a condom, but I had released some 14 hours earlier for the second time in two days, and for me to release every day BB is difficult, so forget a third time with now with a condom! I gave up as she started to go dry (yes, I forgot to bring lube, but at this point I would not have bothered to get it out had I brought it). But as there was no BJ and due to a lackluster attitude, no tip for Pat. Her face was maybe a 6, body a 6 and performance a 5. I suppose she satisfied by desire for big, real boobs for the trip, but back to more petite or regular sized women. .

Next I went down to Ruby Bar, thinking I might pick up with Sai or even repeat with Bea. Bea always seems to be front and center, and she ushered me in with no pressure. She is really a sweet lady once you get to know her. I was looking for Sai and I sort of forgot what she looked like and I mistakenly waved over the wrong girl! It just happeded to be Noi who I had been with before. She remembered me, I had totally forgotten. My notes confirmed her last April but I have no notes about her looks. Today, she is overweight and face looks all pimply or something. She is not one to repeat, though she is a nice lady. Due to my mistake in calling her over I offered both her and Bea a drink but they didn't hear me I guess. I finally identified Sai but she proceeded to ignore me! I continued to sit there, on the front row by the steps, with some of the girls sitting on the lower railing in front of me. Sai, who was outside in the street, came up the steps but didn't look at me so I reached out to touch her to get her attention but she kept going. I was getting the brush off! What the beep?

I continued to sit there and ended up giving the girl setting on the lower rail a neck massage. She leaned back between my legs, and I continued the massage. She asked which one which one of us was on vacation! The girl was pretty but I had no sexual interest in her, but I brought some happiness into her life. I had tried to get Sai's attention again, but what did I do to upset her?? She had told me to come back to her today! I finally decided to leave and as she was still in the street I went to her, but she didn't want to talk. I asked what was wrong and she said because of me she could not boom boom as I made her V sore. Wow. I said sorry but gently reminded her that I had expressed concern that she was hurting but she had to continue one and that it was I who finally said no more sex as KNEW she was hurting as she was do dry and I didn't have enough spit. That seemed to calm her down and I think she appreciated me talking to her and I think I left with her willing to see me again. Regardless, though, to be rude like that with me was not cool. She knew about KY and because she didn't have any my session was cut short. Sorry for her, but sorry for me, too. But, she is also a newbie, so I can cut her some slack.

But while sitting at the bar prior to leaving, I saw a hot blonde girl out in front at the Baku Bar. She was quite striking and I saw her hit on an ugy dude so I thought maybe I had a chance with her. So I headed that way and she indeed came over and I let her drag me inside. Her English was ok and her name was Kaem. She was quite pretty but I wondered about her attitude, given other hot girls I have had who were basic starfishes. But she seemed ok, not at all stuck up, and quite pretty indeed, certainly in the top couple of percent on Soi 6. I felt no need to prolong things too much and after 10 minutes I asked to BF her and she was happy and up we went. I wondered if she would look as hot naked as she did in her outfit I. Well, she kind of hid herself as we undressed and went off to shower alone. Sigh. In bed she revealed that she was obviously a mother with some sagging boobs, and her skin was a bit loose for being 24, but still not too bad to look at. Nice figure and legs and a pretty, shaved V. To my surprise, she loved deep kissing and there was no problem with FIV. Actually, she had recently some hot Thai food and her literally hot lips heated mine up a bit. The V, while not exactly tight like Sai, was good enough. There was lots of foreplay so in that regards it was near GFE, but lacking actual passion I think. Again, no BJ, and I didn't even inquire about it with those hot lips! I broke out an expensive Okomoto for her and I thought (like almost always) I had a shot of coming with her, but it was not to be. Again, I had an O the day before and day before that, so it was not going to happen, even though my body was capable. We did missionary, and a long bit of doggie, then missionary and when I was ready to give up, switched to cowgirl. But she started to dry so it was over for me. When I finally pulled out and rolled over, she was content to lie there and rest for a good 10 minutes, us close together. I gave her a 100 baht tip as she tried and was semi-GFE. I could see me with her again if I get no more sexual satisfaction for a few days. So, face a solid 8 and maybe a low 9, body a good 9 overall, relative to what is available on 6, and performance a solid 8, hindered by a lack of actual passion even though she was close to being a GFE. I left happy if frustrated.

And that brings up Secret. She did not contact me all day. I exited via Soi 6/1 leaving her to work the job she hates and not calling on me to take her away. But if she actually regards me as work, then it makes sense. But things remain not looking very good and I don't know why.

I came back to my hotel and rested and wrote a bit, then decided to head back to Soi 6. I entered from the west side and went to her bar and she was in the back, just getting up from being with 2 guys to get them drinks. The girls out front, seeing me, said I should go in and sit down. I went in but went over to Secret who was then at the bar helping to prepare the drinks. Really, I forgot what was said. It was a little awkward, but I am sure I said Hello, and she probably asked me if I wanted my soda and I said no, then I probably said bye as I didn't want to bother her as she was working. I did not want to stay and watch. Too awkward for both of us. I needed to let her do her job. As I left the entrance, one of girls asked if I was staying and I said no, she was busy. I got an awkward laugh. I presume these girls may know some of the truth. I walked eastward not sure if I would go into a bar or what, but ended up leaving on 6/1 and went to McDs for a late dinner. After 45 minutes of so I went back and I did not see her, but the ladies told me she was in the toilet and to go on in. I somewhat feigned a sad face and said Secret didn't like me. One of the girls quickly spoke up and said "No, she likes you very much!" in a way that was believable. IDK. I have never received any looks from any of them that I was old fool, but more like I was a good man and they were happy for us. IDK.

She came out and I went back to sit with her. It was still awkward and our language difficulty really manifested itself. She sat close and held my hand, but I watched another girl in there to the same with a dude she just met and looked to be having fun. Secret is at least being somewhat honest and not going overboard with emotion for me. But I am seeing things slipping away and not sure if I should encourage it or try to hold on for a while longer. I try to play the romantic and I get up, offer her my hand to get her to stand, and I walk over to the exact spot where we first met. She did seem warmed by that, asking "You really remember?

It was a bit past midnight and we weren't making any more progress and my mind was frozen. I decided I wanted to get out of there and I got up, and told her I was leaving as I paid the bill. I asked what she was going to do, and she said go back to her hotel or apartment or whatever it is. I said she could come with me, and she asked if I was going to BF her. These next few works will seal my fate somehow. But I don't like for her to use that term with me, and I said whatever she wanted to do I would make it happen. She could come with me right then, she could stay and work and then do whatever (go to her place or, who knows, go on a BF, even though the bar was empty of other men), or come to me after the bar closed. She said I had to pay a BF. I said yes, but I didn't want her to call it that as I was not buying her. She seemed to fixated on that, but I repeated the options of go with me now, come to me later, or go home. And, don't worry about the BF. Seems simple to me, but that would prove to be a fatal error on my part.

I walked back to my hotel and, after thinking some, felt that I would give her another chance in case she had forgotten my room number. I sent her the number "in case you change your mind. " And I expressed my sadness about how things were going. I sent her a crying emogi and, to my surprise, she sent me a sad emogi back. I wrote back "Why you sad? I am her for you. Whatever you want. " To clarify, I then said "That means: come by if you want" and adding "I am too tired for sex so don't worry about that. " She read them all before work ended, but no more responses.

So I spent the night alone, but I left with a bad vibe when what I said was intended to let her know I wanted her and I would take care of her for whatever she wanted to do.

I could say more here but I will wait until the next report.

FL Hawk dude. I totally get it. I do it too. You get so fixated on a girl you ignore all the signs and all the negatives. But Man you need to move on!

My friend had the best advice when Thifany got engaged. He said to just get out there and start working again. That there is a BETTER Thifany around the corner. I thought he was full of shit. But he's done this a lot and he is right. There are literally billions of girls. Just keep working it and you'll hit gold.

And sure enough. It was literally only two months later I scored my BA hottie and she is sooooo much better. Yet some day she'll be taken and I will lament it deeply. But I will then work for the next one. The even better one.

I know when you are intertwined in emotions with to a girl it is really hard to move on. But dude you need to move on. You will find a better Secret2 as soon as you do!

Trip Report, Saturday, Day 6, August 23, Part 1.

I went for an early morning walk along BR, having not slept well. I saw a dozen busses full of Chinese unload to get onto boats for Ko Larn I supposed. Good for them. I don't think I have commented much on the weather here but it has been delightful. There is rain in the area but very little here, and what little there is has been very light. It is cloudy, which helps with the temperatures, but I have barely been breaking a sweat walking around. Yesterday and today it was sunnier and some sweat was broken, but this weather has been awesome.

I am pain over how things went with Secret and that she didn't come to see me last night. I guess I could have bar fined her and she would have come with me, but I wanted her to actually want to be with me and she would not say that, just that I needed to pay the BF. Why was she hung up on the crazy notion I didn't want to pay the fine? I texted her to tell her she broke my heart and I didn't understand why. Stupid? Perhaps, but at the time I thought it made sense, as I wanted us to discuss what was happening and see if we could salvage it. She replied that she was sorry she disappointed me. I said it was probably me that was a disappointment, in that I had not been showing her more fun. I mean, we were fairly quiet at the bar (language issue), and we had only gone to Terminal 21 and WS to listen to music. I promised I would take her to some places, but we both know Pattaya is not exactly a good dating spot if you don't like loud music and drinking. Then I tried to explain what I was saying the night before and she was still on the "if you don't pay the bar fine I can't go with you" bit. This issue seems to have pissed her off and she won't let it go and I don't understand! I try to veer off and tell her I have been a bad boyfriend and I want to take her to the Temple of Sanctuary. She likes that idea, but says she has to leave town Sunday to travel to her old factory city to terminate her apartment. Hmmm, does that mean she has decided Pattaya is where she will be for a while or what? If so, that could be depressing her and making her moody.

I say I can BF her today and she says up to me. I should have paid right then but noooooo. I tell her she is not my bar girl so it is up to her. She says nothing really. I say if she wants to see me then text me, otherwise I may be by later as I get bored when I am not with her. She repeats again that if I don't pay the bar fine she can't go with me because she follows the rules of the bar, then adding that if I am not willing to pay she can't go. Sigh. I just say "I know" and add "I will only take you if you want to go with me. " She replied "even if you are a boyfriend, I have to follow the rules". Yes yes yes I know that! Why is she making a big deal out of this? But I say "It seems like you don't want to go out with me. " And she says "because you said this before, like last night you don't want to pay for my bar. " Argh, what is going on here? Had I been a smarter man I would been less upset about her bringing up the issue and would have actually listened to her. To me, she was in a bit of a mood and I kept trying to explain more, but at least I finally saying we needed to talk as we had a huge misunderstanding. While that was all true, she was trying to tell me something and I should have been hearing it. I simply should have said yes, I want to BF you, please go get the check. That is what she wanted to hear I guess, not me continually telling her I didn't want to call it a bar when, in fact, it WAS a bar fine. My trying to be politically correct was not helpful at all! What an idiot I was.

I said I would come by the bar and even take her upstairs for some privacy to talk. Isn't this what women like?! I got no reply. I was confused for if she wanted to go with me, just say yes, and tell me to come by to get her and pay the BF. If she didn't, just say so, or lie about her being busy. Say some dude was Australia would be coming in that afternoon or something. But she would not answer yes or no, so I think my assumption she didn't want to go with me was valid. But still, she was upset for some dumb stuff and I guess I am being stubborn to get her to say yes or no when all that mattered to her, I guess, what that I agreed to pay the bar fine. But this hides a bigger issue of should this relationship continue, or should it die slowly or quickly? If she can't even say yes, then what do we have? She had said she never considered me as a customer, but here she was doing exactly that.

But I go to see her around 1 PM I guess, possibly to bar fine her to go see the Temple or to just sit alone together and talk and try to straighten out this mess – or call it quits. I go into the bar and she is with another girl eating lunch. She is not all smiley and rushing over to hug me. I know I have a rough conversation coming up. I nervously laugh with her friend, saying I am in trouble. I decide I really have nothing to lose, other than maybe another date with her, so I take a the aggressive approach and go after the problems rather than simply say "I am her to bar fine you".

So, I did go over a number of things, telling her I loved her but I knew there were things we had to fight, such as our age difference and distance. I said that maybe there was just too much to overcome but I wanted to try, that I was an optimist. She did scoff at the notion that age was an issue, but on most everything else she was dead silent. She would never say why things changed between us in July or why she was going to let our relationship apparently die. I know that she knows why, but whether she was simply being cold or wanted to avoid hurting me more, I do not know. After a while, seeing apparent boredom in her eyes (or maybe her trying to figure things out herself or wondering about this mess she created), I asked if she wanted me to leave. Silence. Not looking good here. A bit later I asked if I could BF her so we could go out and have some fun. Silence. Somewhere during this time a happy, fit, older friendly Australian came in and went right to her. He said he just got in, then he looked at me, smiled, and said "she is good", then he left. Awkward. For all I know, she had already agreed to BF him today when he arrived and was afraid I would BF her first and she would be stuck with me. He was probably more fun to be with than be, especially today. I mean, he was so full of energy and personality. That is not me, though we were close in age. But what woman would not prefer a happy, energetic guy than someone like me, so calm and rational? (Well, not rational about everything!

I finally asked if we were breaking up. Silence. Well, too many questions answered by silence. I said that silence means no. Silence. Well, maybe a no is really not a no and she just wanted me to flat out ask to BF her or stop running my mouth. IDK. But at this point, I knew I was doomed. Whatever action I would take was really irrelevant. Achieving one more BF is not going to make a difference one way or the other. But I took a deep breath, pursed my lips together and manned up. I said "OK, I guess it is over". She barely reacted. I am thinking is it REALLY over? I mean, she had not agreed that it was, but I need end this thing and get it over with, and her silence and coldness sure made it seem that she was agreeing with me. I t was over. I stood up and she at least hugged me briefly and let me go. The mamasan was behind us at the next table, smiling, and I told her goodbye. Don't think she understood what had happened. She had liked me. I walked out waving to a few of the girls who knew of our once happy relationship and left the bar behind and headed back to the hotel.

Now guys, the conversation was painful for me to recall. I had it all written out but some quick, misplaced keystrokes caused me to lose it all, and it killed me to repeat this, as well as part 2. But these reports are like a diary, so I wanted to be sure to record at least the highlights. But as I recall the details, it all seems like this happened over two days, not one day, though part 1 was in the afternoon and, yes, there is a part 2 from that evening. Sooooooo, in Part 1, we break up. Why would there be a part 2?

Well, let me give a start. I walked back to the hotel. I considered heading east to BF someone to console myself, but I just couldn't do it yet. I rested a bit. It was dinner time but I had no appetite. But around 5 PM I suck it up and head back to Soi 6. I now had the full run of the street, with Secret out of the picture, but as I was still dejected I wanted to be with someone I knew would show a bit of love, and that was Bea at Ruby. The state of my mind showed in that I got totally confused where I was! I entered the street and saw the hot blond girl and went over to her. She looked different in the light and I said I would see her another time. Ok. Then I went to Ruby and asked for Bea. Who, they asked? Then I looked around and realized this isn't Ruby. The interior was totally different! So then I remembered Ruby was before the bar with the hot girl, so how was I here if I already passed the hot girl, and there was not corner bar nearby? I had enough sense to realize I must have looked like a drunken fool. Man, I had walked into Roxy! Haha Sheesh. Maybe I need some food. Nothing since breakfast, but I still had no appetite.

But I found Bea and, briefly, bar fined her and it was a repeat so there is nothing to report. Same old same old.

At about 7 as I head back to the hotel I pull my phone out to check the time and saw I had two messages from Secret! Yikes, she sent them while I was banging Bea. Low, dude, low. She said "You said you understand me, but you never understood me". I will pick up with the second message probably tomorrow.

Probably this is just my lack of knowledge, but recently I went to a Soi 6 bar (in the middle near Ruby bar), and outside seated was a girl that seemed "out of place", she was young and good looking. I decided to enter and mamasan immediatly assigned her to join me, she did it not in a very enthusiastically way, but come to me. She was very shy since the beggining, I offered a lady drink she gladly accepted, she was 20, working there for 7 months. I didn't forced anything but it was obvious she was there just for the lady drink. I am sure it was not a personal rejection, everywhere there are girls in Bars just drinking with clients, naively I thought in Soi 6 that wasn't supposed to happen. Long term customers probably know her, she was minimum a 8-9, I recognize it didn't seem a normal thing for her to be available. Perhaps she will be found one day online or in Go Go bar on WS. In some places (like Atlantis in Angeles city, the Mamasan advises previously this girl is just there for the drinks, but here nothing was said.

Not upset but a little frustrated I ended up my day on a very, very uneventful body massage in Sabai Room (definitly a tourist trap, but it was not lack of advice).

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2362645]I didn't forced anything but it was obvious she was there just for the lady drink.

I am sure it was not a personal rejection,..

I recognize it didn't seem a normal thing for her to be available.

In some places (like Atlantis in Angeles city, the Mamasan advises previously this girl is just there for the drinks, but here nothing was said.[/QUOTE]Totally lost. Everything you have said has been conjecture. You have not offered up one piece of information concerning any conversation you had with anyone. It is just all stuff that you apparently assumed.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2362639]...................I finally asked if we were breaking up. Silence. Well, too many questions answered by silence. I said that silence means no. Silence. Well, maybe a no is really not a no and she just wanted me to flat out ask to BF her or stop running my mouth. IDK. But at this point, I knew I was doomed. Whatever action I would take was really irrelevant. Achieving one more BF is not going to make a difference one way or the other. But I took a deep breath, pursed my lips together and manned up. I said "OK, I guess it is over". She barely reacted. I am thinking is it REALLY over? I mean, she had not agreed that it was, but I need end this thing and get it over with, and her silence and coldness sure made it seem that she was agreeing with me. I t was over. I stood up and she at least hugged me briefly and let me go. ............[/QUOTE]I totally get Secret. She knows that she is not part of your future which she would like to be. For you it is fun, for her it is life.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2362904]I totally get Secret. She knows that she is not part of your future which she would like to be. For you it is fun, for her it is life.[/QUOTE]She shows she wants to be in my future by misleading me on since mid-July; sitting stone cold not saying anything as I tried to salvage the relationship we may have had; by refusing to go out with me unless I very specifically said "I am paying your bar fine", or that when I asked if she wanted to go out she would say "up to you"; and she stayed silent as she heard / read my question of if we were breaking up and watch me leave in utter sadness?

And you think starving myself, not sleeping, being conflicted and confused and feeling helpless is FUN?

I do appreciate your comments. They might foretell of something, as the story is not over.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2363061]She shows she wants to be in my future by misleading me on since mid-July; sitting stone cold not saying anything as I tried to salvage the relationship we may have had; by refusing to go out with me unless I very specifically said "I am paying your bar fine", or that when I asked if she wanted to go out she would say "up to you"; and she stayed silent as she heard / read my question of if we were breaking up and watch me leave in utter sadness?

And you think starving myself, not sleeping, being conflicted and confused and feeling helpless is FUN?

I do appreciate your comments. They might foretell of something, as the story is not over.[/QUOTE]You can't save her. No one can. I'm not just referring to Secret. While it does seem like she wants to be "rescued" from the bar scene, she is not putting in the effort to make the relationship work. It should be a two-way street. Girls will make time for you if they truly want you. I'm afraid the sleepless nights and the feelings of helplessness will not fade, and perhaps even amplify, even if the relationship works out in the end.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2363061]She shows she wants to be in my future by misleading me on since mid-July; sitting stone cold not saying anything as I tried to salvage the relationship we may have had; by refusing to go out with me unless I very specifically said "I am paying your bar fine", or that when I asked if she wanted to go out she would say "up to you"; and she stayed silent as she heard / read my question of if we were breaking up and watch me leave in utter sadness?

And you think starving myself, not sleeping, being conflicted and confused and feeling helpless is FUN?[/QUOTE]You should seriously consider investing some time in learning the Thai language. The basics are easy to learn, just one month (1 hour per day, 5 days per week) would be enough to be able to talk with Secret with a lot less misunderstandings.

As I read your posts it sounds like part of your problems are coming from mutual misunderstandings.

Just try to find a real private teacher (not a random girl or bargirl and preferably not a school with group lessons) since you're still on the ground and on your next trip try to arrange some lessons with her from the beginning of your trip and the quality of your holidays will really improve.

Good luck for the rest of your trip.

You will learn if not this time she isn't alone in how she acts. Their education system their culture the way they are brought up especially, in general, the poor. They are old enough physically but mentally they are very emotional immature many will grow old and die and never learn.

In many ways how Secret acts I see day in day out in many forms, in the P $P it is a game of power and control to test your will if you blink you are dead as noted what the future brings? They don't know the meaning of compromise, apologize when they are wrong, the true meaning of a relationship.

How Secret acts I see daily in my own Daughter-In-Law when given an equal say in the matter the answer is normally " silent or up to you " when it really gets tough they run away from a confrontation their culture, in general, been pamper their whole life never being criticized in school or in life. Their way is to learn by trial by error and sadly many never learn their whole life because seldom is there a person who has the ability or experience in life to teach it to them in Thailand thus the saying " This is Thailand " Physically they are all grown up but mentally emotionally they are children.

Move on is excellent advice.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2363180]You will learn if not this time she isn't alone in how she acts. Their education system their culture the way they are brought up especially, in general, the poor. They are old enough physically but mentally they are very emotional immature many will grow old and die and never learn.

In many ways how Secret acts I see day in day out in many forms, in the P $P it is a game of power and control to test your will if you blink you are dead as noted what the future brings? They don't know the meaning of compromise, apologize when they are wrong, the true meaning of a relationship.

How Secret acts I see daily in my own Daughter-In-Law when given an equal say in the matter the answer is normally " silent or up to you " when it really gets tough they run away from a confrontation their culture, in general, been pamper their whole life never being criticized in school or in life. Their way is to learn by trial by error and sadly many never learn their whole life because seldom is there a person who has the ability or experience in life to teach it to them in Thailand thus the saying " This is Thailand " Physically they are all grown up but mentally emotionally they are children.

Move on is excellent advice.[/QUOTE]I disagree that the Thai girls are mentally and emotionally children. Many are single mothers and also start working at an early age in order to support their parents back in the province. To me, this is maturity that surpasses that of their Western counterparts. There are some girls that act totally childish around their foreign boyfriends. But this is a different issue because the girl is probably manipulating the guy for money.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2363061]And you think starving myself, not sleeping, being conflicted and confused and feeling helpless is FUN?[/QUOTE]

I don't know how old you are, but after a certain age, feeling the whole range of emotions associated with falling in love (the early stage variety) is a rare privilege, and that includes the negative ones which make you feel torn at the time.

You should take a step back, keep things in perspective, and know with the rational part of your mind that a relationship with a someone you need to barfine every time to see will never work out. On the other hand, enjoy the emotional part of it as much as you can, as one old wise man said "To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead".

Don't plan a lifetime with her, but relax, tell her you'll barfine her and do it, love her and make her comfortable for all you can and ride the wave as long as there's any enjoyment left in it for you. She's clearly not 100% into you and throwing herself at you without reservations, but she clearly likes you to some extent (even if she likes other punters too). Good thing it's Pattaya where you can pay for it, so do. This will run its course and end, so you need to be ready to move on, but you seem to still have the passion for her, so there's no need to make it end earlier than it has to.

Don't lose out on life by standing up for principles and pride in a city which knows none, but know your limits, don't throw away money. Remember that this is just mongering and make-believe, although both of you are still real people with real emotions. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2363187]I disagree that the Thai girls are mentally and emotionally children. [/QUOTE]The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363286]The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.[/QUOTE]I fear I will watch SpongeBob too LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2363286]The test is to put Sponge Bob or Doraemon on the TV and see if they watch it.[/QUOTE]If I was watching a foreign language tv I would be watching cartoons too. Basic vocabulary that I could understand.

[QUOTE=Falcon95;2363187]I disagree that the Thai girls are mentally and emotionally children. Many are single mothers and also start working at an early age in order to support their parents back in the province. To me, this is maturity that surpasses that of their Western counterparts. There are some girls that act totally childish around their foreign boyfriends. But this is a different issue because the girl is probably manipulating the guy for money.[/QUOTE]I do not disagree with this point of view see it live it every day as I noted but proofreading is something you need to do yourself.

My comments aren't about being a single mother as you stated you might want to proof-read yourself. I personally believe and hate to say it because I have a Thai son here but the women are the strength of this nation without them the place would fall apart.

Yes, they support the family but this is a condition somewhat brainwashed from centuries that this is what is expected of them and raising kids it takes a lot of mental strength more than maturity, in my opinion. Being a single mother happens all over the world women doing it in the West women are less because the chances are less they also have to support their parents? Thai women have the mental strength to sell spread their legs to men they dislike or have to stay with because of the monetary benefits. Raising kids in their early teens don't mean the frontal cortex of their brain has developed fully at that age this I believe science is on my side. Their culture their education development and lack of critical thinking is a major reason the production line will continue for many of you.

I understand more than anyone the contribution of the women in this country especially in sacrificing themselves for their children and their families but that doesn't mean one bit they are mature enough to handle criticism, have a conversation to try to fit or compromise to a problem which is one major reason the male kids who contribute to other kids in having kids when it gets tough they take out.

My opinion comment was related to the behavior of Secret towards a foreign boyfriend that is the real issue here! " There are some girls act totally childish around their foreign boyfriend then you say " but this is a different issue because the girl is probably manipulating the guy for money " How? Are they different? The poster comments he has a certain expectation as to how she should act to try to settle their problem yet she acts like a child what she most likely learned in her family setting growing up it is a monkey see monkey do society when it comes to the poor. I have seen this immaturity behavior for near two decades upfront personally with my own family watching kids grow up to be adults in my neighborhood and a lot of bargirls.

As I noted my Daughter-in-law came into our lives by accident she is a super smart girl in school, she and my son are finding out easy to have a child my lovely granddaughter is now 16 months they both have taken responsibility and are getting mentally strong and discipline wait up every morning to go to work or school but does that mean they can act maturely and make decision to behave properly in a relationship? What is written about Secret or similar behavior I've seen more than I care to see wish it was different but from my experience and opinion I wish it was just some?

Sorry have to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2363374]Their culture their education development and lack of critical thinking is a major reason the production line will continue for many of you.[/QUOTE]I find that taking responsibility for their actions is no strong suit either. Even when you catch them red handed and a simple I fucked up will do, they will point the finger in every direction except their own.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2363396]I find that taking responsibility for their actions is no strong suit either. Even when you catch them red handed and a simple I fucked up will do, they will point the finger in every direction except their own.[/QUOTE]As I try to note to Mr. Falcon taking responsibility or simple apologize for being wrong is taking responsibility for one's action and learning from it so you won't do it again. They, of course, I'm talking in general rarely if ever are told thus the reason they act the way Secret acts and of course what she is doing is sizing up her customer to see how strong or weak he might be in dispensing future benefits or not one can also think this as being a chess game but her action far exceeds what she is doing with a foreign customer. This immature behavior happens daily even with their Thai to Thai relationship in many forms. They never want to take responsibility nor do they ever want you to go back and mentioned the past we know if you don't except the past and learn from it you will go back and do the same thing again that being said am I being clearer as to what is going on here and sadly it really has nothing to do with being able to have a child by a child if that was the solution to being mature then the West might need to rethink having children at an earlier age?

Trip Report, Saturday, Day 6, August 23, Part 1.

Get ready guys. You would never guess how things proceeded after Part 1.

Ok. This is Saturday night of the day Secret and I seemed to make the obvious official were terminating whatever type of loving relationship we may or may not have had. I was trying to understand what had been happing but for whatever reasons Secret was not answering my questions and it seemed appropriate to simply end it, not really that there was anything to end. Though we may have shared a few special moments that I will fondly remember forever, it was not a relationship based on exactly honesty, and that coming from BOTH sides.

So after trying to experience some extra fake love with Bea, from Part 1, I get the two messages from Secret: "You said you understand me, but you never understood me. " And "I work for what you should know. " Wow, is this an opening to have a real talk with her and maybe let me plead by case where she will listen? The first message seemed to imply that, that she was now ready to talk rather than remain silence. I am not really sure about the second message, but it might mean that I kept, the woman I told I loved, working as a bar girl rather than pay the debt off. I didn't, at the time, understand that, simply finding it confusing, but I replied that I did indeed understand and we were having a huge misunderstanding between us. I asked to see her again so we could finally have a conversation about it. She said to come for her, so I turned around and headed back to her bar. Did I have a chance to recover her? Should I really even attempt to get her back though? If I knew that I could never live in her hometown or face supporting her family for the test of our days, why not just let this end. I have accepted the end, why face putting me, or even her, through pain again if it was bound to fail again? Sigh. What am I doing? Am I playing some kind of game with her. I told that I was by a responded to Part 1. I denied it, but in thinking about it, he may be right. There are numerous games people play that will leave them devastated, to include gambling, sports, etc. Why do it? Because the awards can be high. But here, what was the ultimate goal here? To win her love? But if I did manage to pull this thing out, I end up hurting her when I refuse move to Issan. I don't intend to win games in order hurt others. But, at this point I have lost, and just like losing at chess, I want to recap the game to find out where I went wrong.

So I go back. Much of what happens will be via a translation app, which makes things harder, but I will give it a try! And I am in the mood to try to get to reconsider trying a relationship. I had already told her it might be a longshot, but I want to see what may be possible. When I tell her I am returning she sends a happy emogi. That has to be good news, right? If she didn't want be back why send me the message and now a smiley face I was actually thinking at that point that I can turn this around and hold on for a few more days anyway, and then we will see after that. I get another text that says she is sorry and that she is sorry she disappointed me. I reply that no, I disappointed her and I will do better.

So I enter the bar and she comes to me she doesn't seem quite so cold. But again, I had much of this written out on my computer and my crazy fingers deleted it all. This part was painful to write the first time, and it has taken me a couple of extra days to complete it. I will mostly summarize things. And guys, this will be really bizarre.

This time she was forthcoming and I got some answers. She reviewed that she felt I didn't understand her in that her family was the most important thing. I said I did understand that, but in effect she said I never offered to help her get out of Pattaya. Well, we dudes know the reason for that! How foolish would I have been to turn over 300,000 baht to a woman I had known for a short while, bar girl or not? I said I needed to know she actually loved me first, and that the reason I scheduled this was to spend time with her and learn if we really got along and if a life together was possible. Then she mentioned a foreign man, around 60, who frequently visited Soi 6 and well off financially and was known to help out a few of girls. She said this foreigner took a liking to her, got to know her and he flat out gave her the money as he felt she was not meant to be on Soi 6. He gave her the money with condition: she continue to work in the bar until the end of August, but that she didn't have to BF anyone; then she had to go home but never fall in love; and never return to sex work.

In a post a few weeks back I said that she had quit her job and returned home but would come back when I visited just to see me. Then I posted she was back at work in Pattaya. I thought she came back because she couldn't find work at home. My understanding is that she did quit but the foreigner was displeased and made here come back to finish the month of August for whatever reasons. I guess the dude was not buying sex in the future from her. She said he was happy and funny and he like to call girls and simply talk to them and she was happy with him in that way. She said she enjoyed that more than the sex anyway, and if her family was now debt free, they could get on with life and living without love would be ok.

So, she was upset at me for claiming love for her but I had no expressed that love by giving her the money she needed to pay of the family debt and to go back home. She said I felt sorry for her, but if I really loved her I would have gotten her out of the job she hated doing. I told her this current trip was supposed to help me decide if there really was love between us. If there was, then I would have paid the debts. Instead, this dude beats me to it, and now (so she says guys, so se says) she has to live without love.

I was now able to answer some questions. I asked if this happened in July, which was the time her messages to me died down. Yes, it was. I try to make a case for me but how I can compete with this? She made the deal, the debt is paid and why should she be interested in me now if she can't fall in love again even if she wanted to? I was flabbergasted with her story, and not really sure how much of it I believed, but why would she lie about how she finally found a way to leave Pattaya. I mean, I can believe a dude paid her debts and demanded she exit the sex business, but why make her come back to finish August? And he wanted nothing else out of this, other than to get to call her occasionally?

There was really nothing I could say or do. How true or not her story was, this is what she told me and I had to accept it. What else could I have done, called her a liar? Yeah, that would help things! The option I had was to possibly offer to pay the dude out, to break that contract or whatever, but that is not something I am prepared to do at this stage. She said she did have love for me but after he paid, she knew things had to end with me but she didn't know how to do, and she apologized for failing to do so. I said she knew I was coming over, but she said the guy was offering money to her and though she didn't like the requirement about no more love, she didn't know if I would ever give her anything and she couldn't face working another month in that bar not knowing if I would help. I guess if she had not taken his offer to wait for me, the deal would die. I could not fault her logic.

Another thing to prove I didn't really understand her was that I was taking her to WS. She said she hated WS! Huh? Each time I asked her if she wanted to go there and she said ok. She had even said Stones House was our special place she would never take a client. (I could probably verify that as the band members know me by sight and I could ask, but that would be just wrong of me to do.) But then, of course, it hit me. She never seemed to really have fun in there after the first time or two last April / May. These last two times she would look at her watch and I failed to understand that she wanted to leave. She indicated she thought I liked it which is why she didn't complain, but was sad I didn't know how she actually felt. So, things like this she brought out made her statement correct – I really didn't understand her.

I think the thing here is that she needed money to take care of her family, and she based a man's love for her on his willingness to provide support. She kind of laid that out for me. I could not do that in the time frame that was open to me before it closed. That I said I was waiting until the visit to try to see how she really felt about me first was of no relevance now. She would have loved me if I paid, but I was too late. I think that is the bottom line. I did say I didn't want to buy her love or ever have her think she had to love because we had some sort of contract. But, yeah, strange, right?

She was patient with me and as I struggled a bit. She held my hand and said she was sorry many times. She said she had been bad to me. At least she was talking and warm, not like earlier in the day. I asked why she didn't tell me in July about the payoff, and I don't think she had a real answer, but she apologized and said she knows she did wrong. She said I was supposed to tell her when I was coming to Pattaya and she could reserve time off work and avoid the BF, but I didn't, which I think perturbed her a bit. Even though I was saying I would be there in x weeks, without a firm commitment she couldn't take a chance, so when the offer came, she took it.

Well, any of the hope I thought I had when I entered the bar was squished. I don't see any way of winning. The game was over last month. No way the dude can enforce his requirements, so should I want to pursue this the only option is, as I said, would be to buy him off. But no, as I know if I did the relationship would still end as I simply will not move to rural Thailand, or probably any place in TL, to live. And I know Secret will never leave family to move to the USA.

So, I have some answers now. I am a bit miffed that she kind of strung me along, and she said she was sorry and I do kind of understand it, but. I like to think she did have strong feelings for me and this whole thing is difficult for her too, and her punishment will be to never fall in love. So I tend to think she held on to me for a while out of hope for escapement, with love possibly being in there later.

I am certainly bummed. Man, I am here in Pattaya because of her (well, ok, partially because of her – there are thousands of other ladies to hang with). I had joked to Secret that she had a man who traveled halfway around the work to be with her and she left on a side street! Sigh. I will be ok. The predicted outcome arrived, though a few days sooner than I would have wished. If Secret was the typical BG she would not have told me this stuff and would have worked me to get more money out of me for as long as I was here. She also didn't have to tell me about her deal to leave and tried to work on me to get a second handout, but she didn't. Secret did engage in some deceit, but I can't say it was deliberately planned necessarily.

With Secret over, I will try to enjoy my last few days here, though I will leave Pattaya earlier planned, probably Friday. On the bright side, I have the full soi open to me now and won't have to worry about her finding me out in another bar. I presume she will retire as a bar girl Saturday and I wish her the best. And Mr. E will be coming to town Monday, and we have plans to meet up. He will certainly be able to cheer me up and kick me in the head if necessary!

I have not commented on the weather. It has actually been quite nice. Just a little rain and lots of clouds that have kept the temperatures relatively mild. Only today, with some sun, have I actually sweated while walking around.

But be forewarned, the story is not over yet. Sigh.