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Germany racist?

I am Asian, yes I am smart clean have no attitude treat a lady like a lady, respect whatever country I go to and NEVER have any problems.

Now if I was Asian, not very smart, smelly and had a attitude, I guess the lady in question may not be to keen to let me swap body fluids with her, if you get my drift.

We all have choices and if a girl decides not to sleep with a man because of race then thats her choice but I would guess its more due to a previous bad experience than racism.

I found Germany a great place, people were very friendly the U.K and the rest of the world should take a lesson from these people and I for one cannot wait to go back.

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Whoops! I might have started a "racist" debate. GandJim, you're right, Germany is not a racist place. But there are some, a minority who live in the past.

Germany is a great place for "hobbying"!

just to weigh in on this, i spent 18 months in germany recently due to being called up for active military duty. i fell in love with the place. i am african american and i felt completely at home in germany. overall, the germans treated me better than most of the white americans i had to interact with over there. i also saw more interracial couples (german women & african american soldiers) than i have seen anywhere else. i never visited a fkk club but i did visit a few euro centers. i got rejected by a few girls but there were many more girls who were more interested in my money than the color of my skin. in short, the germans just don't have that many hang ups whether it be speed limits, drinking, smoking, nudity, pornography or sex. that's why germany is such a great place (especially in the summertime; germans girls and bicycles-you can't beat that type of scenery!). if you're a man on the prowl, germany is the closest thing to paradise.

Peter

"Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made". Completely untrue. Ask Ollie Kahn ;-)

Closest thing to Paradise, try Australia its even closer to paradise than Germany(beautiful women+excellent mongering+gorgeous beaches+women in bikinis+300 days of sunshine=Paradise). Its bloody cold in Germany during the winter, I remember a couple of years ago people literally stopped their cars during a storm and slept until it ended. Tripod, I have to agree with you about how Germans having fewer hangups than Americans on so many different things.

How many of you live in Germany, and specifically Frankfurt? If you do, how do you keep from getting caught, or spotted on route to an FKK? Do you fib your way around, and is it tricky to do so? Have any of you run into people you know personally at an FKK? I've been to an FKK, but I live in the US, so it's not that big of a deal. I was just wondering how you German members or residents deal with this.

Bruce

Bruce Ley,

I live in the Rhein.Main-Area. All I can say is, that I just don't care.

Being a regular visitor in FKK-Clubs for more than two years, I never met anyone I didn´t expect to visit clubs.

But if it would happen, I wouldn´t mind.

It's not forbidden to visit clubs. So, where's the problem?

i can only say first Germany is much different than USA. Second if you saw someone you know at a FKK what could happen. If he is from where you are then he would have as much of a problem as you. If you are married them it is maybe best to not shit where you sleep. But i doubt you will meet your wifes friends there.

I have a German friend who found his daughter working in a club, and that definitely did not make him happy, neither was she.

As an unmarried guy living in Deutschland I must say that it I don't really worry about who I meet or who sees me at the FKKs that I visit. What's more, I am not sure that it is a big issue with many of the married men that I see at FKKs. First, the FKKs here are generally very discreet. Both in the way that they are set up and how one is treated.

I have heard the occasional story of a guy (or worker) meeting an ex, a relative, or a colleague from work at FKKs. Interesting stories, I must say.

Bruce Ley,

It's a good question. Many of the German girls fear exactly the kind of thing that happened to CBGBC's friend's daughter, i.e. that someone they know comes into the club. That's why a lot of them commute to the clubs that are quite a bit away from their home.

But what could happen to a monger, if seen inside a club? You will only be seen and recognized by another monger. Big deal! The other guy has then some potentially damaging info on you, but it's the same that you have on him. Often, people really like to meet someone they know. Sharing information on girls and other aspects of the hobby is a lot of fun. (This is also why this site is so popular, and why quite a few memebers arrange to meet each other in the clubs.)

Problem, of course, is when you are the other guy's boss. That could be real difficult. It's also a problem if you are famous. The comedian Bill Murray once said that if you think you want to be rich and famous, try being just rich first, and see if this does the trick. Everytime I visit an FKK I appreciate this wisdom.

I often see guys come in pairs to the FKKs. If you have a friend who shares the hobby, then cover is very easy of course. You can provide a great alibi for each other. A couple of guys I met at Oase once where laughing about their wives wondering why they loved eating grilled chicken so much. Apparently thy were telling their wives that there was this far away chicken restaurant that they liked to frequent together.

Soccer matches are another great cover. One Wednesday evening I was in the Sudfass in Frankfurt and astonished that there were at least three times as many girls as usual. I asked what was so special. They told me that the Eintracht had a home game. That generates increased business after the game. Lots of guys just tell their wifes they had traffic problems. (The German speakers of you will appreciate the double meaning of "Verkehr"). But many just pretend they buy tickets and go straight to the clubs. Gives them at least 4 hours of hobbying, plus the price of the ticket and beers to spend on the hobby, if the wives are checking the money aspect. All they have to do then is to find out the score before they go home. I suspect that's why many clubs show the games on TV.

Having someone see your car parked outside a club is a potential danger. Advice: park somewhere not too far away and take a taxi. This is very easy in Frankfurt. And the added 10 to 20 euro may be well worth it.

Many guys also leave work an hour early and make a quick pit stop at the club. That's why many clubs are busy from 5 to 7 pm.

Does this give you a sense of how it's done?
euro

P.S.: All trick fail, however, if you happen to have a heart attck during sex at the club. This once happened to a member of the German Bundestag in a *****house in Bonn. Big scandal! In particular, because it turned out that the *****house had been run by the Chech spies.

I have just a few sentences to share for you english speaking fkk enthusiasts who have recently married a german woman (who may already be gaining a few extra pounds), and are interested in learning the wonderful german language.

Remember that english is a germanic language, so german pronunciation is not as difficult as most people think.

Here's what you say to your wife after the football (or soccer) match and the fkk experience:

"Nach dem Fussballspiel bin Ich schnell zum Auto gekommen. Gleich bin Ich losgefahren. Leider gab es aber unheimlich viel Verkehr. Deswegen bin Ich so spät zu Dir gekommen, Schatz!"

I hope this is a life-saver for you proud newlyweds.

Hi Fellow Mongerers

This will be my first trip to Frankfurt (Int'l Book Fair) in October. And my second trip to Europe (London, way back in 1993). However, I am a regular on the Thai board. After reading extensively the German FKK and Franfurt boards, I have a few questions I hope some of you can answer.

1. What would be the best place for a first time visitor.
2. Being of South Asian descent, would there be any problem, i.e. picking up a girl, denied entry etc..
3. Does physique count at these FKK. I am rather large with a beer belly. Never had a problem in Thailand.
4. What hours do these FKK remain open. I would rather go in daylight so I can get a bearing about the area. What would be the best time to go.
5. How safe is it travelling by taxi, train and what hours are the best if there are unsafe hours.
6. Any other advice for a newbie would be appreciated.

Thanks and have fun

Duni

Lance has Sheryl Crow as his outlet. I imagine that he is doing just fine without having to visit FKKs. In any case, considering the vile abuse heaped on him during Wednesday's Etappe by all of those drunken Jan Ulrich fans, he may not care to visit Germany for awhile.

Duniawala

1. I would go for World for a first time, simply because there is more space, a larger selection and no pressure - but it is all a matter of taste and luck
2. I've seen all nationalities in the Frankfurt clubs and there never seems to be a problem. trhe only problems arise if you are obnoxious (drunk, or dirty)
3. As for physique - well I've seen amputees, very thin and very large clients all get service. Maybe a 20 year old stud might get better service, but you sound as if you'll fit in well withing the normal parameters
4. They tend to open from around 10 or 11 until 4 or 5 in the morning. The best time if you want to do daytime woud be to arrive around 2 or 3 in the afternonn and then stay until the new girls come on around 5 or 6. That way you get time to oruentate yourself and get to look around before the clubs get busy
5 Public transport is very safe in Frankfurt area. If you're going by public transport make sure you check the return times as it tends to stop quite early. This is particularly an issue if you go to World as it is too far to go by taxi. Palace of course is in the city itself
6 Advice - just relax and you'll enjoy yopurself. The chances of getting ripped off are very very low. Just treat the girls well