American Politics

I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592216]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?

The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?

The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?[/QUOTE]He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592216]The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?

The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?

The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?[/QUOTE]Plus:

The guy presiding over 20% of all cases coming from his state?

[URL]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/ron-desantis-takes-hatred-of-mask-mandates-to-a-new-level.html[/URL]

The guy fighting cruise companies to demand vaccinations on ships holding thousands of passengers?

The guy who's come up with Don't fauci my Florida?

That guy?

Well, I'm glad he's so educated and well-read. I'm sure it's all very comforting to the victims families.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2592352]He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.[/QUOTE]His seeming to be smarter and more reasonable than Trump only makes him more dangerous and a greater threat to the USA economy, to the purpose of this website and to the goal of international travel for mongering than Trump and all of Trump's supporters and Trumpian Trump wannabes have been and will continue to be until they are stopped in their tracks.

As impossible as it might be that someone could be worse for those things than Trump and his supporters were, DeSantis is the guy who could and would be with the help of his supporters.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592335]I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.[/QUOTE]The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592318]The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.

P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.

*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.[/QUOTE]With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.

New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.

But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.

BTW, how was the crowd at today's "re-instatement" inauguration? Only slightly smaller than it was for him in January 2017 I'm guessing.

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida[/URL]

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california[/URL]

[URL]https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/new-york[/URL]

You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.

That's your plan conservatives, DeSantis. Actually is a shoe in for the next election. This is a guy who is often wrong, but centered, educated, he reads, and has balls, oddly enough, this centrist Dem may vote him, so chew on all of that. He will talk to you, face to face.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592387]With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.

New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.

But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.[/QUOTE]Florida's population is 2 million more than New York state (and the difference is increasing as many people leave NY and move to FL and other free, open states). Florida has several densely populated cities. In fact the large number of New York victims has a lot to do with Cuomo's criminal decision to force infected people into nursing homes, where they passed on the disease to the most vulnerable people (the very elderly). The same is true of Whitmer in Michigan and other democrat governors.

FYI the vaccines and rollout were pushed through by Trump's Operation Warpspeed (the democrats had previously said that it would take years; and they also warned people not to take the vaccines, a stance which would have got them banned from social media if the social media companies were unbiased). By the time Biden was installed in January 2021 the rollout was well underway and they changed nothing.

Finally, the CDC issued fraudulent figures regarding Florida, claiming 28,000 new cases on Sunday when in fact the number was under 20,000. These were fortunately caught and revised although not before various fake news sources had plastered them all over their headlines (and the same sources didn't publicise the revision, because it suited their political bias not to). Which was doubtless the point.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592383]The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are correct in other states but Southern California Covid is coming from Mexico. We have hotels filled with immigrants. Several with Covid. Probably all in the hotels have been in contact with Covid. Our governor wants all of us to wear masks and get vaccinated but there are no requirements for people crossing the border to get vaccinated or wear masks. Several bus loads have been sent to Bakersfield and Fresno. Several are on our streets and in fast food places spending their vouchers. Some of the fast food places have had to close indoor dining and only offer drive thru and force people to order only in vehicles. I can't believe this isn't happening in other states also like Texas or Arizona.

CNN finally interviewed the guy from Homeland Security asking why he said that situation was bursting at the seams but he said they have a plan to correct the border but would not give details. Does everyone on this forum think there isn't a problem at the border? I am confused.

There is so many posts of presidents from 10 or 20 years ago and about democrats and republicans from 10 or 20 years ago but no one is questioning the current administration. I think Biden has this country in trouble and I am a lifetime democrat. Am I the only democrat that thinks this?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592318]The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.

P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.

*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.[/QUOTE]"As coronavirus cases continue to soar, two Florida mayors are announcing mask and vaccine mandates and defying the governor who is firmly opposed to any pandemic restrictions. " [URL]https://apnews.com/article/health-miami-coronavirus-pandemic-247f603722fc0f1d38d0bd97a9006c25[/URL].

DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory. Maybe he can get it to 2 x by being dumber than trump.

Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.

But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592335]Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.

Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:

- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.

- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.

- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;.

- that there is no simple solution to this problem, and Biden didn't create this problem, he inherited it.

[QUOTE]Various types of fencing totalling 654 miles (just over 1,000 km) were already in place before Mr Trump became president in 2017. These ran through the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The Trump administration say they've completed more than 400 miles of border wall since then. It's 452 miles (727 km) in total, according to the latest US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) information (4 January 2021).

However, [b]only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall[/b], and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier.

The vast majority of the 452 miles is replacing existing structures at the border that had been built by previous US administrations.[/QUOTE]Wow! In other words, Trump built 47 miles of new walls in 4 years. As Sacha Baron Cohen would say: 'Big success. ".

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492[/URL]

But please, go ahead and be the first genius ever to outline the solution. What would you do? Unless, of course, slamming Biden is the only reason why you decided to show up.

[QUOTE]The MexicoUnited States border extends 3,145 kilometers (1,954 mi), in addition to the maritime boundaries of 29 kilometers (18 mi) into the Pacific Ocean and 19 kilometers (12 mi) into the Gulf of Mexico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2592461]Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.

Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:

- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.

- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.

- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;..[/QUOTE]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.[/QUOTE]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.

The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/[/URL].

And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.

In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. [URL]https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/[/URL].

The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.

The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592446]DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory.

Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.

But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.[/QUOTE]Fewer Floridians by percentage? Yup. Way fewer than New York. Top three covid death states by percentage are NJ, NY and MA, all democrat states. Florida is in mid-table. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL].

Of course this is purely people who died with covid (often of other comorbidity). It doesn't take into account suicides, drug ODs, abuse, mental illness, destitution, homelessness (which will happen once the unconstitutional eviction moratorium is ended) and all the other societal ills caused by the brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns, which haven't happened in Florida thanks to Gov. DeSantis.

It's quite funny how you say "DeSantis allowed people to die", as if he can grant the gift of immortality, but you would never use a similar phrase about the democrat governors of states that have lost more people. Just another indicator of your blinkered bias.