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[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border.[/QUOTE]Based on these facts.
The border was closed on both recent dates.
No open.
[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/[/URL]
"Correction, Aug. 12,2021: An earlier version of this story overstated the number of children who have been hospitalized in Texas recently with COVID-19. The story said over 5,800 children had been hospitalized during a seven-day period in August, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number correctly referred to children hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began. In actuality, 783 children were admitted to Texas hospitals with COVID-19 between July 1 and Aug. 9 of this year."
They claimed it was 5800 in a week. It was actually 783 in 6 weeks. So only about 50 times out. Easy mistake to make. Funny how these fake news "mistakes" always overstate cases in Republican states, like the one in Florida last week. Almost as if they're politically biased and trying to whip up unwarranted fear to push their fake agenda.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592577]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.
The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/[/URL].
And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.
In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. [URL]https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/[/URL].
The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.
The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.[/QUOTE]In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2592577]Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out.[/QUOTE]As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.
Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592465]I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.[/QUOTE]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2592433]You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.[/QUOTE]But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.
And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.
One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know.
And, going forward, there is no more important discussion to be had anywhere including if not especially on this website than warnings about further empowering Republucan anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and other Repub loons bent on keeping the variations of Trump's pandemic virus going indefinitely and most certainly until a variant overrides all current vaccines, effectively destroying, among many other things, international travel for mongering and sex.
This won't be the last endemic virus that pops up somewhere. And if we want the next one and the next ones after that turned into international travel destroying Pandemics, Trump Wannabe Repubs like DeSantis have proven they are just the ones to do it.
In fact, count on any and every Repub to do it.
[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592739]As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.
Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.[/QUOTE]The truth is there. A judge in Texas just ruled that Biden has to reinstate Trump policy to keep asylum seekers in Mexico but Biden is fighting this because he doesn't want to admit Trump policies actually worked. His border policies are a disaster and everyone sees it except the fools. Afghanistan is a complete disaster with Taliban terrorists almost taking over the complete country. Now Biden panics and sends in 5000 troops to try to make sure the American in the Embassy don't get slaughtered like Bengassi. Biden will be celebrating the anniversary of 9-11 with the rebirth of the Taliban and terrorism. I can't believe I voted this idiot. I am embarrassed. It is very difficult being a democrat right now.
[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592740]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately you are right about California. I have lived my whole life in California. There was a time when it was a two party state and I always believed that I would be a lifelong democrat. The democrats have slowly killed our state from taxes, crime and to homeless. I voted for Biden because the media over and over again told us how bad Trump was and I believed it. Now after 8 months of Biden disasters and policies Trump looks like the best president ever. Amazing when Trump was president I hated him. Now I would welcome him back. Biden even makes Jimmy Carter look good.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2592765]But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.
And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.
One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know..[/QUOTE]I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2593006]I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.[/QUOTE]Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?
The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s[/URL].
Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country[/URL].
Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did. And he lied: [URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/donald-trump/trump-exaggerates-us-energy-independence/[/URL] and [URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article239077733.html[/URL].
Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. But the QOP BS is that it is all Biden's fault is just that: BS [URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/03/24/980894432/why-gas-prices-have-increased-in-the-last-3-months[/URL] and [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/[/URL].
But, like all good trumpers, you'll just yell "fake news".
[QUOTE=ChrisP;2592740]Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows?[b] Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).[/b][/QUOTE]And Fux "News" always tells the truth? [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/25/fox-news-watching-what-i-learned[/URL].
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593068]Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?
The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s[/URL].
Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: [URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country[/URL].
Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did..[/QUOTE]From a democrat not a Trumper:
Biden cancelling drilling in USA and cancelling pipelines reducing domestic production definitely contributed to higher oil prices and higher gas prices. Only a fool would argue that cutting supply of any commodity doesn't increase prices. Gas prices are up 50% in our state due to Biden policies.
[URL]https://ru-main.ru/russia-became-second-largest-oil-exporter-to-usa/[/URL]
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.
Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/[/URL]
Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html[/URL]
China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/china-said-taliban-takeover-more-smooth-than-us-presidential-transition-2021-8[/URL]
President Biden, VP Harris avoid the cameras as Kabul falls to Taliban.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-biden-vp-harris-avoid-the-cameras-as-kabul-falls[/URL]
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2592737]In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.[/QUOTE]When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2593068]Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. [/QUOTE]The only part of the post worth reading.