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[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244099]Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.[/QUOTE]To go away when you are done.
You must have heard this before. But then again, you are amnesia! LOL.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2244304]And it's often cut with water or even something else. Nobody knows what's inside unless you bring it to a laboratory for a test. I had a Thai friend who had one friend of her who sold the orange juice bottles, she advised me to never buy these bottles as they were always cut with something. A few month ago it made the headlines with a video of Vietnamese preparing these bottles and laughing when putting some other stuffs inside. Thais in social media were very angry at them.[/QUOTE]Outside the tourist areas you can get the fresh squeezed OJ.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244101]Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.[/QUOTE]I noticed the sale of "Tub Tim" (pomegranate) juice of very dark purple mixture. Immediately struck me the colour was wrong. Now a Pomegranite does not have that much juice and I really don't believe it is that dark purple colour, since the fleshy part surrounding the seeds is a slightly lighter red colour, like light crimson. Now I could be wrong, but my assumption is it is fake or highly adulterated. Maybe it is possible the colour looks a lot darker when in a bottle.
If someone has seen a whole bottle of Pomegranite juice made from go to wo, great I would like to hear. Did that require 20 Pomegranites maybe?
If the very dark purple was made from skins of Mangosteen ("Mangkhut"), that might actually have health benefits, but artificial colouring seems more likely.
Could be some stands sell real stuff and others sell fake stuff. Colour of the juice could vary. I once used to buy passionfruit juice (known in Thai as "saowarot" or Isaan as "bakatoklok"), but became very hard to get it, not obviously mixed with sugar and other crap, possibly MSG, and water, I. E. Obviously diluted.
If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.
If anyone thinks there is real "tub tim" Pomegranite juice, I suggest buy a "tub tim", cut it open, and try to find a good way to get the juice out and see how much you actually get. Might change your mind. I am guessing the juice is really minimal. My mother has a Pomegranite tree in her front yard.
There is a Thai dessert called "Tub Tim Krop" which means crunchy Tub Tim. Yet it does not contain any "tub tim" at all. Made from cut up water chesnuts "Haew" coated in agar or similar sticky rice translucent jelly with colouring.
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If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.[/QUOTE]I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.
[QUOTE=XXL;2244487]I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.[/QUOTE]So pesticides are permeating the skins, is that right? Just happens I have significant fruit trees where I live not being hit by pesticides, so depends where you get them. Organic maybe possible.
Have passionfruits, Papayas (plenty), Bananas, limes, and some mango trees coming along. Have to import apples of course.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244099]Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.[/QUOTE]Dating is a misleading word. I don't use it myself. Why not just call it fucking? Dating is more about serious relationships I thought, where is never 100% sure when you will get a fuck.
We pay to keep it simple. I pay girl to fuck now. Then she goes away. There is no ongoing responsibilities. We may well have a GF or wife already.
However in Thailand and other countries, there is the possibility to hire a temporary wife who will go away on holidays with you and act like a GF, for several days or more. The other day was reading about some rich guys hiring a woman to be his wife for a year. LOL By paying we hope to get a girl of superior quality that normally in non P4 P might be out of our league (especially far too young). LOL.
Sometimes these hired wives turn out to be a lot more fun than the real wife or GF for several days. I recall taking a well known MP girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island for several days. It was a tremendous holiday. She wasn't boring. I think it multiplied the fun over going alone. Now if you happen to have a real GF equally good, great, go for it. Some guys just don't want a real GF with the strings attached.
If you get the most fabulous girls for free, then lucky you. Ronaldo got one too in Las Vegas, seems is was not for free after all.
Right now I am real happy with a regular girl who gives a fab fun time, and she has little choice but to see me fairly often, and make it great for me, since she needs some money assists each month. She says she would not be doing so if she did not want the sex too, but she still needs some money help. So where does the truth lie? Somewhere in between.
I once had a regular date to see a girl once per week for BBFS, and an agreed price, for years. We both had regular partners (GF or BF), but were not getting what we needed. So this was a paid 2nd or minor secret wife. I don't do her any more. Eventually wasn't sexy enough, and face seemed to go blotchy. She probably approaches 50 now, and I am significantly more than that. LOL However can hang on to a girl for years if give her what she needs, and visa versa.
Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.
Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244494]Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.
Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.[/QUOTE]I used the term "dating" to distinguish between a hooker / freelancer and a normal girl. If a girl asks for money, then she's a hooker. No problem with that; if she's okay with 1. 5-2 k ST I'll keep her in my Line account for the moments when I'm lazy and just want the convenience of having a fuck-pay-leave thing.
A girl who does not ask for money is a normal girl. She will not receive any money from me. I am not dating those girls, however. I stopped dating. If a girl doesn't want to meet at my place for a movie or near my place for a drink (which means I will just take her to my room) I just next. Enough cute 18-24 yo available online who are easy-going.
I might offer them a drink at my place, or some food because I'm ordering anyways since I normally work long. Worst case, they cost me 200-400 THB for a pizza / sushi / burger. Quite often, they don't want anything as they've eaten already when we meet at 8 or 9 pm.
I do not take them on dates, and certainly not on any trips. They are really only bootycalls: we meet after work, have sex, maybe eat something and watch Netflix, then sleep. The next morning, I will go to work, and they either leave or stay and clean my room. Some even wash my clothes (not necessarily a good idea one out my wool suit pants in a 90 degrees washing machine).
None of them is expecting anything. They know I am not looking for a GF. They know I have other girls. They come for the sex and for having a good time together. Some are seeing other guys in parallel. Some are looking for a serious relationship in parallel.
Let's be fair; most of those girls are in a different league. They don't have the education, experience, status and money that we have. Still they are nice people and good company. The girl that wasted my suit pants got out of her to contact my tailor and get me new pants which she paid for herself.
I could never see myself paying these girls any money. I actually think most of them would be offended that they are confused with being a hooker. Most importantly, however, I would feel bad about it. Not about the money; I could afford having a couple of sponsored gfs, no problem. But I could not enjoy it. I enjoy my giks because I can be sure they enjoy it, too. That's what makes the whole thing exciting. If I paid them, they would be in for the money, whatever else they claim (or why not just stopping the payments?
Even more, I would actually feel bad. They already get something much more valuable than money, which is my time and my company. We hangout together, we cuddle, we have a conversation (however trivial the topic might be). I would feel cheated if they got money on top, and it all would feel fake. I have to go to those G-Clubs sometimes because my Thai work colleagues love them. Every time I am there I want to puke right into the girl's face. You're paying a lot of money just so that she pretends to like you and enjoy your company. When I pay, I want sex, and just that. I do it for the convenience; I don't want to give my time and company. I fuck you, I pay you, then you leave. With a normal girl, I want to have a good time we both enjoy. I am not mixing the two things up.
Anyway, to each their own. My preferences might be different than yours. What works for me might not work for you. I just couldn't understand it.
Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there.
So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.
Earlier looked at some girls dancing naked in 5 Star. Bad music but bar was full (its very small). Still gets me going a bit if girl is completely nude showing pussy and the body appeals. One girl gave me new contact info for ex CH girl, so that was worthwhile. Good lighting in there. LOL The 9+ body girl I BFed before was busy with Asian customer. No worries I was not really eager for a fuck anyway.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..[/QUOTE]That's the beauty of Bangkok, at 10:30 I see the ladys, at 11:30 you see the ladyboys, at 12:30, who knows, I'm in bed, alone or with someone.
I was in and out Saturday at 11 pm, there were only three GGs outside with perhaps a dozen LBs. Two of the three GGs were doable, but again, looked too young. Two monsters were on the stairs grabbing as you walked by. Between Thermae and Asoke, a poor selection except for one chick by Tops pounding down some food. I didn't go below Thermae so can't comment as to quality. I know that on my last few strolls, the Nana Parking lot has been meh. On the other hand, I have been seeing some lurkers on Soi 33 that looked presentable, but haven't stopped to chat despite their yearning looks as I walk by.
I think I'm due for a late nighte. I'm just so reluctant because hunting the vulva at night interferes with the cool stuff I want to do in the daytime. If for example, I want to take my daily exercise in Koh Kret or Bang Kachao, I have to get up early. That doesn't even count day trips here and there where I got to be at Hua Lamphong or Talat Phlu RR at 7:30 am. Going out to 3 am, adding booze to the mix and then playing hide the sausage all night basically kills two or three days before I can recover. Ah, lost mispent youth!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..[/QUOTE]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.
[QUOTE=Jim200;2244717]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.[/QUOTE][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url].
Too crowded, lots of guys are figuring out that it is nicer sometimes to hang outside and the girls are following to check out the inventory.
Taking a break.
Having a smoke.
Waiting for a GF.
Chilling after an ST before going in.
I spend as much time outside sometimes as I do inside. Buy a brew from the bar in front of the Hotel and hang there. Its cooler and less chance of getting bumped by a Beijing Bob. You get to see all the talent coming in.
The Thermae has always been as much fun outside as it has been inside. Its just toned down a lot.
[QUOTE=Jim200;2244717]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.[/QUOTE]Good reasons:
* Smoking as you say.
* Non Thai or age too low (but risky).
* Good looking Girl is hanging with her LB friends, perhaps trying to make those LBs appear to be female, or just lending moral support to not so pretty LBs.
* About to go home but just hanging a little longer.
* Trying to grab a weak confused customer on his way out alone.
* Very ugly so hoping to pick up some dumb customer too lazy or too stingy (for drinks) to go inside, and too ugly to be competitive.
Last 2 categories seem to dominate and overlap.
I do recall taking a girl from outside Thermae, but must be many years ago, and close to or at closing time.
I was probably wandering around at the same time as you that night and I thought to myself "wow these chicks are far hotter than the Soi 4 FL's." I will definitely be far more circumspect now.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I took a lady from Thermae out last night thinking she was an independent, but later on she told me she needed to call her mamasan to let her know she was going to stay LT.
Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.
Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which is pronounced sort of like sue-want to-boom. Get at least enough cash from an ATM or a change booth to pay for your ride into town. The airport is connected to the city by an inexpensive rapid rail line. However, if you have lots of luggage or arrive in the middle of the night, you'll have to take a taxi. Use the queue service, which is very well organized. Remind the driver to turn on the meter or he will charge you a more expensive flat rate. Pay the expressway tolls with the inconvenient thousand-baht bill that you got from the ATM. That will leave you with small bills to pay the taxi. The ride to your hotel should cost around 350 THB (under 10 dollars).
Stay: Bangkok is a sprawling city with many neighborhoods. For practicality, you should stay in the "lower Sukhumvit" neighborhood. Sukhumvit is a very long street, beginning at the Ploenchit shopping center and Skytrain station. Side streets (soi) have ascending numbers as you head east. Odds are on the north side, evens on the south. Anywhere around Nana or Asoke BTS stations is right at the heart of the action. You certainly can stay elsewhere, but it's best to be near a BTS Skytrain station. Most hotels are visitor-friendly, especially if you book a double room. Unless you have some sort of ego problem, there's no need to stay in an expensive chain. There are thousands of perfectly fine rooms by western standards, for less than 40 dollars. Save your money for the important stuff.
Get around: Use Google Maps and download maps before leaving home to save data charges. Traffic is horrible. BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway are your friends. They are cheap and easy to navigate. Ticket machines support English. On the ground, you can hail a moving taxi or use the Grab taxi app. Any parked taxi is probably going to run the "meter broken" fare scam on you. Tuk-tuks are an option, but many drivers will try to pressure you into gem and souvenir shops. Motorcycle taxis are cheap and good if you have a death wish. Importantly, lower Sukhumvit is entirely walkable -- only five or ten minutes between BTS stations.
Food and drink: Western-style food is widely available in bars. Thai food is everywhere, naturally. Street carts are much safer than you'd think (ingredients are very fresh) but you might need a temporary girlfriend to help you make a purchase, as there won't be any English menus. Thai beers are mostly of the "cheap yellow" variety -- only a few bars have craft beers. Distilled spirits may be counterfeit. Wine is not a Thai thing. Best not to drink the Thai whiskey.
Where to find bar girls: There are three primary "entertainment" centers with go-go bars, where you typically are expected to buy one drink but not pay a cover charge. Two are in lower Sukhumvit. Soi Cowboy is a block north of the Sukhumvit-Asoke intersection and has the most neon. Nana Entertainment Plaza is on Soi 4, just south of Sukhumvit, and has a large covered courtyard surrounded by go-go bars. The third center is Patpong, which is north of Silom street near the Sala Daeng BTS station. Patpong is notorious for ping-pong shows and for second-floor bars being clip joints, so beware. "Beer bars," which will not have performing girls, are near all three centers. In fact, lower Sukhumvit has hundreds of them. Sit down, order a drink, and the very friendly girls will find you. Be careful with buying "lady drinks," as the charges can add up quickly. To take a girl from a bar, you'll have to pay a "barfine" of 400-500 baht in addition to whatever the girl charges.
Where to find freelancers: In addition to bar girls, there are thousands of freelancers operating in Bangkok, concentrated in lower Sukhumvit. Even in the daytime there will be dozens along the north side of Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and Soi 11. Street freelancers are cheaper than bar girls (and there's no barfine), but there may be greater risks. There also are several bars popular with freelancers. Thermae, in the basement under Ruamchitt Hotel, is packed each night with beautiful women in their 20's trying to land a free-spending Japanese tourist. Biergarten, on Soi 7, is a daytime and evening pickup spot for MILFs in their 30's and 40's. After closing time, dozens of illegal pop-up bars (basically a cooler full of beer) materialize on the north side of Sukhumvit and side streets such as Soi 7, and freelancers will drop their prices. To determine whether a girl is a freelancer, make eye contact and smile. A brief conversation will lead to the truth. Don't bother the girls working at the vendor tables.
Massage: There are many both legitimate and sex-oriented massage shops, and it's usually not hard to tell the difference. If in doubt, ask if they provide "special massage," then ask if "boom-boom" or just BJ or HJ is on the menu. You won't offend by asking, and they've heard it all before. "Oily" massage places such as Snow White are straightforward brothels. With a massage parlor, you don't need to go to your hotel (or rent a cheap short-time hotel), but it can be an impersonal quickie experience. Do take the time to get a good legitimate Thai massage while you're in town.
Money: Get to understand what 500 and 1000 baht mean in your home currency, as that will simplify the math. Blowjobs start at 500, sex typically at 1000, but asking prices of 1500-3000 are more common. "Short time" means an hour and one pop. "Long time" means all night (and maybe half of the following day). If you run short of cash, ATMs are everywhere. Note that you'll be charged a fee for each withdrawal, so a few bigger withdrawals are better than lots of small ones.
Communication: English is common and you won't have any trouble communicating with your hotel clerk or most waitstaff. If you run into a girl whose English is poor, don't despair -- basic sex communicating isn't complicated.
Behavior: You're a guest in a military dictatorship that has horrible prisons. Don't be an asshole, don't break the law, don't even THINK about drugs, don't throw trash or cigarette ashes on the ground, don't get into arguments, don't disrespect the king. If you can't follow those basic rules, stay home.
Ladyboys: Pay attention here. If it looks too good to be true, it is. Some ladyboys (katooeys) invest heavily in surgical modifications. Tipoffs include height, voice, Adam's apple, aggressive behavior. If in doubt, ask politely. There are go-go joints and massage parlors specializing in ladyboys, and it should not be hard to tell the difference.
Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. On the other hand, she might be someone who finds happiness in making other people happy. Make your choices carefully. This is where it pays to spend some time chatting with girls before heading to your room. Being respectful, kind and considerate are core Buddhist values. If you wander through Nana Entertainment Plaza before the bars are fully open you may be surprised to find girls lining up to pray at a Buddhist shrine. The more girls you treat as angels, the better your chances of finding one.