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[QUOTE=Rocko20;2953540]I disagree. Pattaya has villas, resorts, 5 star hotels, penthouses, suites, top fine dining restaurants, and other things considered "classy. Hilton Pattaya is right off beach road, which I definitely consider classy. [/QUOTE]Those are all classy places in what's basically a shit hole, LOL. Because that's what Pattaya is.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2954470]Tips are part of the demand. It basically means that customers are willing to pay more than the asking price.
Of course the occasional customer who gives a 500 baht tip for a normal (as in not naughty) massage will not jack up the prices. But if a lot of customers would start doing that, it would eventually jack up the prices.[/QUOTE]This is very twisted logic. In your world I guess that means that if you tip a waitress in a restaurant let's say 500 Baht, which by the way, I have done before, then the restaurant will raise all the prices on the menu. Sorry, but you have lost this one. That tip would have nothing to do with the restaurant raising their prices on the menu in any city in the world. How would they even know if you handed the money directly to the server. Do you think all staff inform the owner or manager of the tips and the amounts that they receive from customers. The answer is "no". Then there are the places that share tips. Meaning they put the tips into a pot and divide them up at the end of the shift. The business owner will not raise prices because the staff get good tips. They raise prices because of inflation. If their expenses go up, they will raise prices. For example, the bar on walking street renews their bar lease and the rate was increased. They will try to make that up by raising prices for drinks or the bar fine. What they won't do is raise the bar fine or drink prices if they heard one of their ladies was paid 10,000 Baht ST by a Korean punter who she gave BBFS CIP to and allowed him to film the whole encounter. This tip she received for doing this will have no bearing on whether the bar will increase their drink prices or not.
So, in summary, whether the good tips are just once in a while or happen often, the business will not raise their prices because if this.
Dam this fucking rain. I got half way up my Soi to get a taxi and now I am back home because of this dam rain.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954481]This is very twisted logic. In your world I guess that means that if you tip a waitress in a restaurant let's say 500 Baht, which by the way, I have done before, then the restaurant will raise all the prices on the menu. Sorry, but you have lost this one. That tip would have nothing to do with the restaurant raising their prices on the menu in any city in the world. How would they even know if you handed the money directly to the server. Do you think all staff inform the owner or manager of the tips and the amounts that they receive from customers. The answer is "no". Then there are the places that share tips. Meaning they put the tips into a pot and divide them up at the end of the shift. The business owner will not raise prices because the staff get good tips. They raise prices because of inflation. If their expenses go up, they will raise prices. For example, the bar on walking street renews their bar lease and the rate was increased. They will try to make that up by raising prices for drinks or the bar fine. What they won't do is raise the bar fine or drink prices if they heard one of their ladies was paid 10,000 Baht ST by a Korean punter who she gave BBFS CIP to and allowed him to film the whole encounter. This tip she received for doing this will have no bearing on whether the bar will increase their drink prices or not.
So, in summary, whether the good tips are just once in a while or happen often, the business will not raise their prices because if this.
[/QUOTE]I doubt this very much. Like I already said, the occasional customer who gives a generous tip will not jack up the prices. But when a lot of customers start doing this, it's a different story.
Even when not all staff inform the owner of this, he (or she) is not crazy and will find out sooner or later what is going on. At some point the owner will realize that apparently his customers have more money to spend than he expected, so he wants to have his share.
This doesn't mean that he will suddenly double his prices, of course, but he will certainly add something to them.
Look what happened when the Koreans and Japanese invaded the agogo's in Walking Street. Prices went up and up, and that was not just because of inflation. It had also a lot to do with the amounts of money they were spending, and that included tips. And not just tips to individual girls, given openly or unnoticed, but also by making it rain twenties for example.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2954500]I doubt this very much. Like I already said, the occasional customer who gives a generous tip will not jack up the prices. But when a lot of customers start doing this, it's a different story.
Even when not all staff inform the owner of this, he (or she) is not crazy and will find out sooner or later what is going on. At some point the owner will realize that apparently his customers have more money to spend than he expected, so he wants to have his share.
This doesn't mean that he will suddenly double his prices, of course, but he will certainly add something to them.
Look what happened when the Koreans and Japanese invaded the agogo's in Walking Street. Prices went up and up, and that was not just because of inflation. It had also a lot to do with the amounts of money they were spending, and that included tips. And not just tips to individual girls, given openly or unnoticed, but also by making it rain twenties for example.[/QUOTE]Keep saying the same thing, but I know that's wrong. Why do I know? Because I have many clients who own go go bars in walking street and many leases came due to renew with increases and my clients had no choice but to raise prices to offset this. Bar owners got deals on their rents during covid and most of those are now coming due for renewal at a higher rate. Some signed 2 or 3 year leases to lock in a lower rent. Those are being increased now for their renewals. You are only speculating where I am getting my info from cold hard facts.
I may not agree with everything [B]EverythingThai[/B] says. But he does not lie on his dick nor confuse facts with opinions.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954481]This is very twisted logic. In your world I guess that means that if you tip a waitress in a restaurant let's say 500 Baht, which by the way, I have done before, then the restaurant will raise all the prices on the menu. Sorry, but you have lost this one. That tip would have nothing to do with the restaurant raising their prices on the menu in any city in the world. How would they even know if you handed the money directly to the server. Do you think all staff inform the owner or manager of the tips and the amounts that they receive from customers. The answer is "no". Then there are the places that share tips. Meaning they put the tips into a pot and divide them up at the end of the shift. The business owner will not raise prices because the staff get good tips. They raise prices because of inflation. If their expenses go up, they will raise prices. For example, the bar on walking street renews their bar lease and the rate was increased. They will try to make that up by raising prices for drinks or the bar fine. What they won't do is raise the bar fine or drink prices if they heard one of their ladies was paid 10,000 Baht ST by a Korean punter who she gave BBFS CIP to and allowed him to film the whole encounter. This tip she received for doing this will have no bearing on whether the bar will increase their drink prices or not.
So, in summary, whether the good tips are just once in a while or happen often, the business will not raise their prices because if this.
Dam this fucking rain. I got half way up my Soi to get a taxi and now I am back home because of this dam rain.[/QUOTE]I agree with [B]EverythingThai[/B]. He also has the [I]inside knowledge[/I] of working and being friends with bar owners. Others a speculating and just providing their opinion. I don't own a bar. But I am a business owner. When inputs to produce your products or services go up, you have to either eat the costs as they detract from your bottom line, or raise the costs (within the confines of market restrictions) in order to increase revenue, or cut costs in such a way that it does not impact the quality of your product or service. Possibly all three. This is why I comment all the time about [I]wage slaves[/I]. People may not like my term. But if you have not ever had to make a payroll then you don't know what pressure is about. It was easier to confront armed opponents than to run the business I currently own. I do not envy bar owners and would not like to be in their position.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954507]Keep saying the same thing, but I know that's wrong. Why do I know? Because I have many clients who own go go bars in walking street and many leases came due to renew with increases and my clients had no choice but to raise prices to offset this. Bar owners got deals on their rents during covid and most of those are now coming due for renewal at a higher rate. Some signed 2 or 3 year leases to lock in a lower rent. Those are being increased now for their renewals. [b]You are only speculating where I am getting my info from cold hard facts[/b].[/QUOTE]Tell them brother. Put that knowledge into their eyeholes. Preach! Can I get a witness up in here?
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954418]What about inflation? Most expats in Pattaya refuse to believe inflation even exists in Thailand and it never exists in Pattaya in their minds. These are the same punters that complain that prices go up. They think girls and bars should continue too charge the same forever I think. Yes, we all want to save money and that's a given. However, inflation is a real thing in Thailand too. Maybe foreigners don't want to believe it or see it, but the Thais do. I have been in Thailand for 15 years and I kn ow you have been coming here for a long time as well. Rents are higher, food costs are higher, fuel prices are higher. Do I need to go on?[/QUOTE]Yes. You should go on. In 16 years my rent has not gone up 1 baht in Pattaya. Still paying the same 4500 baht that I always have. My water bill is still the same 150 baht / month. Still getting 1. 5 liters of water out of the machine for 1 baht.
Maybe the rent that property owners are charging bars have gone up, I do not know. The only things outside of bar fines / girls that I have seen any significant inflation on is fuel and cigarettes. I do not smoke, but it was the government that added more taxes to make the price on cigarettes to increase with the excuse of trying to curtail smoking.
I remember a couple years back when either Chang or Singha wanted to increase the price of their bottled water and there was a big to do about it. The government told them that they could not do it. It would stand that if fuel prices go up then the price of other goods should go up because the products have to be produced and transported using more expensive fuel costs. But I really have not seen that at all.
Fuel prices have indeed doubled. I remember when it would cost 120 baht to fill up my motorbike. It is now 240 baht. But as I have said many times before, I am still paying the same prices for other things as I first did 16 years ago. Ride to and from the airport still 800 and 1000 respectively even though the price of fuel has doubled.
Should the price of hookers go up? I don't see why not. But as has been said many times before, if there is any inflation, the doubling and tripling of hookers prices is working independently of any other inflation that may exist. If that was not the case then I would expect my rent to be at least 10,000 baht by now. And a few of those gogo girls do live in my building!
There is going to be a bar girl shortage in Pattaya this High Season.
Demographics are finally catching up, and the lower birth rate since 2000 means there are fewer young women. This has a ripple effect throughout the country, but the bottom line is the pipeline from Isaan will be a bit thin going forward.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954507]Keep saying the same thing, but I know that's wrong. Why do I know? Because I have many clients who own go go bars in walking street and many leases came due to renew with increases and my clients had no choice but to raise prices to offset this. Bar owners got deals on their rents during covid and most of those are now coming due for renewal at a higher rate. Some signed 2 or 3 year leases to lock in a lower rent. Those are being increased now for their renewals. You are only speculating where I am getting my info from
cold hard facts.[/QUOTE]I'm not speculating, it's simply the law of supply and demand. If the demand goes up, prices go up.
Or can go up, I must say, because in reality there are more factors involved of course, like the cost of the leases that you mentioned, the competition, the wages for the staff, and so on.
And by the way, the price increases due to the influx of Koreans and Japanese already started years before Covid.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2954473]Those are all classy places in what's basically a shit hole, LOL. Because that's what Pattaya is.[/QUOTE]You guys are so ungrateful. You go to the people's place, fuck their girls who are conveniently available by phone or a short walk. Get massages from masseuses who are conveniently located around every corner. Consume great food at a reasonable price conveniently located all over the place. Have access to malls and entertainment conveniently located for easy access. Then call the place a shit hole.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2954316]1. Beer Bars.
If we are talking about mongering, let's say "bar" is a beer bar. Beer bars are located in places like Soi Bukao, Soi 6, Tree Town, Soi Maid in Thailand , and let's say Myth bar complex. They are also located in other areas as well, but these are the more well known areas. In these beer bars you can sit and buy drinks for yourself and chill. These bars also have girls working there and you can buy them a lady drink that will cost around 150 Baht give or take 10-20 Baht either way. The girls will mess around with you in the bar by twerking, dancing, sticking their hand down your pants and give you a wank for a few seconds and so on. Some bars, like on soi 6 will have short time rooms available for a few hundred Baht where you can go and fuck the girls for approximately 1000-1500 baht ST, where others won't have rooms on. Site. You can bar fine the girls and take them out of the bar for 500 Baht ST and around 700-2500 baht LT depending on the location of the Bar and the time of day. The girls normally charge 1000-1500 Baht ST and 2500 Baht and up for LT. These are beer bars so everything is very casual with the exception of Soi 6 bars that are very lady drink oriented. You will find girls working in these bars of all ages, shapes or sizes, from ugly, cute, beautiful, sexy, stunning and fat..[/QUOTE]The resume was very informative and clear, and I truly appreciate it.
Any lifestyle journalist, travel writer, or reviewer who explores exclusive social spaces could potentially write a ranking of Pattaya's gentlemen's clubs?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2954617]You guys are so ungrateful. You go to the people's place, fuck their girls who are conveniently available by phone or a short walk. Get massages from masseuses who are conveniently located around every corner. Consume great food at a reasonable price conveniently located all over the place. Have access to malls and entertainment conveniently located for easy access. Then call the place a shit hole.[/QUOTE]Great post. Totally agree. Hey look, for sure Pattaya has large areas not the prettiest in the World. But those areas are a fabulous attraction for most who would read this forum. Fabulous entertainment, sports, all sorts of different venues from beer bars to pool halls, gentlemans clubs to agogos, soapies to live music. All within a small area. As you say, massages on every corner. All really cheap. And for the travel minded Wongamat beach Pattaya is not only stunning but a very wealthy area. Pratumnak is lovely etc etc. The Pattaya Bashers are all to quick to make criticism of one of the Worlds leading adult entertainment destinations. Tut tut.
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[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2954643]Respectfully request info on using ThaiFriendly to hook-up with freelancers.
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Any personal recommendations?
How bad is photo shopping on TF?[/QUOTE]Maybe try RTFF.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2954641]The Pattaya Bashers are all to quick to make criticism of one of the Worlds leading adult entertainment destinations. Tut tut.[/QUOTE]I'm not a Pattaya Basher, I go there at least two times per year. But I wouldn't step a foot there, if it wasn't one of the worlds leading adult entertainment destinations. There are many much nicer places in Thailand.