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[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1828397]For me, this conversation about pro, semi, non etc, is mental masturbation. They are all on the same continuum, albeit at different location.

To Oldkool's point though, I do see a difference. The pros are way too jaded. The others, depending on various factors including how your relationship is, could very well be kind of more intimate, in that the sex might be much more than the mechanics. Also such women, not having sex that frequently may enjoy it as much. I certainly have had such experiences. Finally, I also know of women who would not solicit directly but they might not be indifferent to seeing others unknown to them because of reference. I know such women who I recommended they meet people I know, because of their trust, needless to say, without I working as a chulo.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you. I agree that women who are not having frequent sex or highly experienced may get more aroused. I like to have them in a new situation, for example first threesome. I just think that it is meaningless to try to classify Internet contacts you have never met. If they are being fucked by their uncle or neighbor, they probably won't tell you.

The only thing that really counts is the chemistry between the sheets, so I would work on that. But I would think that if one goes into it with a "hit that pussy" mindset, you probably won't get GFE. In fact I think it would be hard to get GFE if you make it too clear that you don't want a GF.

Uk visitors be advised when paying for your tourist card online through the DR embassy in London you will be charged 10 add 3 for postage and not the dollar rate as indicated online by the UK Foreign Office. With the logic of Dominican officialdom being that $10 = UK 10 LOL.

Software keeps changing the value input. Puts me off posting, very fustrating.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1828654] I just think that it is meaningless to try to classify Internet contacts you have never met. [/QUOTE]Could not agree more and indeed, also had agreed with your rhetorical classification of all three as pros, and true, in my humble opinion, across the globe without putting women down anywhere.

These girls have very hard lives. Most struggle to get enough food for their families. I have respect and affection for some. If you play your cards right you can be more then a john. However if all you want is a johns relationship more power to you. I get nothing out of that. That is why I avoid casas. That is not how I roll. Dealing with internet girls is about building repore. Knowing their deep dark secrets is not important. However being comfortable with one another turns a mash and dash into a memorable experience. The more I do this the more I desire quality over quantity.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1828703]Could not agree more and indeed, also had agreed with your rhetorical classification of all three as pros, and true, in my humble opinion, across the globe without putting women down anywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1828805]These girls have very hard lives. Most struggle to get enough food for their families. I have respect and affection for some. If you play your cards right you can be more then a john. However if all you want is a johns relationship more power to you. I get nothing out of that. That is why I avoid casas. That is not how I roll. Dealing with internet girls is about building repore. Knowing their deep dark secrets is not important. However being comfortable with one another turns a mash and dash into a memorable experience. The more I do this the more I desire quality over quantity.[/QUOTE]It's not so much being cold as it is being realistic, with a dash of cynicism.

There are several businesses where I'm a regular customer, most of the women who work in these places always act happy to see me. They smile and wave when I walk in, they take a few seconds to chat with me. Part of it may be because I'm charming and handsome, but mostly it's because they know I will treat them right. If they have a gripe, I'll listen, if they have good news, I'll congratulate them, if they need advice, I'll give it. And I do all of that without hitting on them or trying to make a move. For those brief moments I'm giving them something valuable and that's a big reason why they act the way they do.

If I acted like the average customer, I'd get treated like an average customer.

You treat your chicas right. You take them out, dance with them and give them something they probably don't get very often, so they give you a better time than they might give someone else.

But, in the end, they aren't coming to see you for your looks or charm, those are just bonuses. They're coming to see you to get something they want or need.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1828826]It's not so much being cold as it is being realistic, with a dash of cynicism.

There are several businesses where I'm a regular customer, most of the women who work in these places always act happy to see me. They smile and wave when I walk in, they take a few seconds to chat with me. Part of it may be because I'm charming and handsome, but mostly it's because they know I will treat them right. If they have a gripe, I'll listen, if they have good news, I'll congratulate them, if they need advice, I'll give it. And I do all of that without hitting on them or trying to make a move. For those brief moments I'm giving them something valuable and that's a big reason why they act the way they do.

If I acted like the average customer, I'd get treated like an average customer.

You treat your chicas right. You take them out, dance with them and give them something they probably don't get very often, so they give you a better time than they might give someone else.

But, in the end, they aren't coming to see you for your looks or charm, those are just bonuses. They're coming to see you to get something they want or need.[/QUOTE]We tend to grow and with experience think we don't have to go through the preliminaries. But the key to enjoying the experience is enjoying the experience, short cuts come with us getting hardened. With that said, I'm with Old Kool because keeping it new and fresh is what veterans like myself tend to take for granted as we become seasoned. The vets might pass on a hidden gem because they misread the signs or lack patience, therefore holding out for a guaranteed thing. Its all a fantasy and a game we play but really how many vets find what they desire with one chica?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1828835]We tend to grow and with experience think we don't have to go through the preliminaries. But the key to enjoying the experience is enjoying the experience, short cuts come with us getting hardened. With that said, I'm with Old Kool because keeping it new and fresh is what veterans like myself tend to take for granted as we become seasoned. The vets might pass on a hidden gem because they misread the signs or lack patience, therefore holding out for a guaranteed thing. Its all a fantasy and a game we play but really how many vets find what they desire with one chica?[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I just see things differently.

Everyone's decisions are based on a perception of profit. You might pass up a 10 for an 8, because you believe the 8 will give you a better experience. A chica might pass you by and come to me because she thinks I'll pay more, or because she figures she can get the leche quick and come back for more. Or she might figure I won't wear her out, or stretch her out.

From the hardest pro to the most innocent church girl, if she's spending time with someone, it's because she sees some profit. Everyone throws "what's in it for me" into the decision. If you're going after the hidden gems it's because you value the conquest over the sex.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1828805]You guys seem very cold.[/QUOTE]You are reading too much into this. Their lives are hard. Indeed the least one can do hence, especially one with your apparent abilities to build "rapport", is to categorize them, pros or otherwise.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1828978]I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I just see things differently.

Everyone's decisions are based on a perception of profit. You might pass up a 10 for an 8, because you believe the 8 will give you a better experience. A chica might pass you by and come to me because she thinks I'll pay more, or because she figures she can get the leche quick and come back for more. Or she might figure I won't wear her out, or stretch her out.

From the hardest pro to the most innocent church girl, if she's spending time with someone, it's because she sees some profit. Everyone throws "what's in it for me" into the decision. If you're going after the hidden gems it's because you value the conquest over the sex.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That is why, if you are not in a real relationship, you are fooling yourself if you think you are not paying for sex and that they are not prostitutes. There is no harm in it, but there is no reason to think that these girls are not available to the general public for rental.

It is perfectly possible to have a real family relationship with a Dominicana or Haitiana, but that also involves taking on serious responsibilities, and that is not what we are talking about here when we say "non-pro".

Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.

If you can get half of these these things you are having a great time. It takes time and skill to get it. Some guys like my buddies in Sosua are numbers guys. They bang as many as they can and run out of leche but keep pulling the trigger. I have done this a few times my self.

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[QUOTE=Frannie;1829330]Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Frannie;1829330]Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.[/QUOTE]I typically take women to movies, restaurants or clubs, depending on inclination and mood. I normally do not do overnight as most cannot stay overnight, and I like sleeping alone even though I must admit, sex in the morning is nice. I have had women bring cooked food to my hotel (or cook when I visited them) and sex is always whenever and however I want it. I never discuss money but will always leave some in addition to gifts. Nonetheless, I just do not think of any of it as girl friend experience. For once, I do not have that strong an emotional connection that is the hallmark of a girlfriend, at least at the initial phase of courtship and especially in your twenties / thirties when life is full of promises. Secondly, in order to have that connection, the necessary intellectual requirements are lacking, indeed rare but to be expected given the demographics. I am just grateful that some women are willing to share their elixir of youth with me, without further nomenclature.

I have a new Cupid girl who is pulling me in. She is 35 a solid 8 or better. A thick lovely grown women body. She is vey witty and carries on a great conversation speaks to much English if you know what I mean. If you are a fan of GFE this girl is very promising. The anticipation is building I think from both of us. You guys who only do casas are missing some good stuff. She has sent pictures and spoke to me on Skype.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1829330]Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.[/QUOTE]I think you forgot No 6 :

She must like both Frankie and Annie at the same time? !

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1827312]Much respect to you jewel thief. Thank you for taking your time out 2 posts a trip report. Its guys like you that makes me happy I'm join this forum. How much was the plane ticket to Guatemala. How far of a distance did you had to travel from one area to another. Were there any dark complexion chicas there. How was the food. You said the hotel's ran for about $115. How's the infrastructure of the buildings and was Wi-Fi available to you. Or the rooms built for your basic mongering. Once again thank you for your trip report.[/QUOTE]Grown Man,

Plane ticket was $358 round trip out of Miami on American. I rented a car from Budget but their office is in the middle of zone 9 and somewhat hard to find when I returned to Guatemala city to turn in the car but the car was perfect, a Checy Spark with all the windows blacked out, no one could see me in it and it appears to be a inexpensive car so not noticed. Antigua is about a 2 hour drive from Guatemala city and a great town to find European tourist pussy. There's lots of night life, some good local Ecuadorian girls and bars that close at 3. I stayed in a hotel called hotel LOS pasos that was stunning, took the master suite for $100 per night, included breakfast, nicest room I've had in years and I stay in Intercontinentals, Hiltons and Westins all the time for my business. WiFi was everywhere. Guatemala city I stayed in the Intercontinental for $90 but hear they charge 20 per chicka, booked it on Expedia. There are dark complexion chicas all over Guatemala.