Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2252526]......................... Like the others I also like Vietnamese girls and think they are naturally more pretty...........[/QUOTE]Nataree had some lovely Viets. I wonder where they sauntered off to?

Hi,

I am planning my first ever trip to LOS.

I have some experience meEting working girls in Europe. Both escorts and girls at massage parlours.

Not using a condom have never even been discussed.

I have read many reports about fucking girls without here on the forum.

My understanding that BJ is normally bareback, sometimes with CIM.

How about other services. What percentage of the girls would you say are available for bareback sex?

Off course assuming you are clean and look healthy.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2252635]So many debates and so many questions in my PMs and the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.[/QUOTE]You rock man! Easily the best post in regards to BKK in recent memory.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2252635]A Senior's Experience in BKK[/QUOTE]Great stuff Bkkdog, I for one am grateful for the time you took to put this out there.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2252702]Ho Hum. Next.[/QUOTE]Why don't you move along to another website that you might understand better and makes you happier?

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2252813]Hi,

I am planning my first ever trip to LOS.

I have some experience meEting working girls in Europe. Both escorts and girls at massage parlours.

Not using a condom have never even been discussed.

I have read many reports about fucking girls without here on the forum.

My understanding that BJ is normally bareback, sometimes with CIM.

How about other services. What percentage of the girls would you say are available for bareback sex?

Off course assuming you are clean and look healthy.[/QUOTE]Speaking as a man who can truthfully tell a Thai working girl in a bar or on the street that he has had a vasectomy so will not make her pregnant and has a recent negative HIV test document (from Thai Red Cross) if she wants to see it, I'd say my percentage of getting a girl to agree to BBFS+CIP (I guess we are now required to stipulate BBFS+CIP for clarification? Ok. It used to be just saying BBFS was enough) runs about 30-35%. With dating site girls or regular girls working in malls and restaurants around town it is higher, maybe more like 75%.

I don't always mention either of those factors unless it feels like it might help get a Yes from the girl. For example, last night I took a dancer with one of the top three best bodies in the place from Twisters BKK go-go bar after a single LD. In the bar she agreed to BBFS (ok, ok, BBFS+CIP! LOL) with me within a few minutes and after zero discussion about possible pregnancy or medical test documents. 1000 baht barfine and 2000 to the girl.

However, I can't say what my overall rate of success would be if I could not truthfully lay claim to having had a vasectomy and a recent negative HIV medical test result. Maybe no different. On the other hand, I would not feel comfortable going into the P4P or dating world expecting to get BBFS+CIP without both conditions in place.

And, bear in mind, I am talking about my rate of success when asking for it in the bar or on the street, not in one of those "just go with the flow and, oh look, we're doing BBFS+CIP" scenarios after we are already in the room. For my own reasons, I cannot rely on that scenario to work all that great for me. If the answer is No at that point, there will be no finish at all for little ET unless I have also cleared it with the girl that she is happy to do a BBBJ+CIM for me.

But here's the thing; you and I are surely totally different in terms of how we present ourselves, how we look, age, fitness, level of apparent trustworthiness, everything. Your rate of success might blow mine out of the water or you might not get a Thai working girl to agree to BBFS+CIP in 100 tries. Nobody knows.

As it is with almost every sales pitch, and your meeting/chatting/negotiation with a working girl IS a sales pitch, you will learn and get better at getting positive results by asking girls for it too soon and too often. And if you are sensitive to where you went wrong and where you got it right, your rate of success will improve over time.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2252629]Saigon is a hard nut to crack. I've only been to Bennys and a place (now closed but had the hottest asian girl blow me) down the street for walk in BBBJ several years ago. The Bennys girl rimmed and and did CIM and asked if I wanted to go again for USD $16.

As a foreigner I got approached a few times by girls on motorbikes who would ask me if I wanted to go with them which I did once so this may be a way into the scene. Just get her phone number. On my next visit I happened to go past the hotel she took me and there was this ultra slutty girl outside.

Its not a place where you can go and expect to get laid easily but it has great potential. In a way this is great because the casual two week millionaire will find it hard crack and look for easier locations so it favours dedicated mongers. Viet girls are more beautiful then TGs.[/QUOTE]Sounds like there is still a remnant of the "girl on a motorbike" bit in the HCMC/Saigon P4P scene even after 20 years, as I suggested could be so in my previous post on the subject. But I have not yet heard about a current "taxi dance hall" subterfuge part, though. This probably has something to do with the hard nut to crack or seemingly underground aspect of the scene there; some of the girls are still not comfortable congregating at a hooker stroll or standing in one place in public for very long. Wise Viet-curious punters interested in knowing how and why this is so and has been so for at least a couple of decades will take note. Dumbasses whose comprehension skills are severely limited will miss it, of course.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2252958]probably has something to do with the hard nut to crack or seemingly underground aspect of the scene there;[/QUOTE]In Vietnam, the scene isn't really underground, it's just a hassle.

Despite prostitution being illegal, venues and girls are not that hard to find. The problem is above all the attitude. In Vietnam, both the girls and the hanger-ONS [I]always[/I] try to angle for more money for less (or preferably no) service. In addition, if they can get away with not delivering, they will. This is true even for trivial things, for example you can't just buy a bus / train ticket from an agent and assume it'll be valid, must buy from the bus company itself. In the sex industry, there's more scope for ambiguity. You cannot simply walk into a place, plop down the amount that's the known going rate, sit back and enjoy. Not even if you've been at the place several times.

In most Hot Toc (hair-stylist BJ) places in Saigon, typically they'll drive a hard bargain at the entrance, then the girl will bargain some more when she starts, try to do a HJ instead of a BJ as much as possible, and take off the bra only when you make her. They also delight in senseless restrictions such as not letting you take off your pants completely, but rather keep them around your ankles. It's a constant struggle, which might be OK for certain type of customer, but is a huge turnoff for me. Sure, there are exceptions, but on average, it's just not worth it.

Oddly, Vietnamese girls outside of Vietnam seem to provide much better service on average.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2252936]Why don't you move along to another website that you might understand better and makes you happier?[/QUOTE]Ouch! Did I hurt this "senior" member's feelings? Or is this the all too familiar "come-out-swinging-big-when-cornered" response?

Either ways, I don't care. And I don't think this forum needs a mother telling us what to do.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2252635] I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
[/QUOTE]Excellent post, Dog. Just what the site needs every now and then to keep up to date and share info.

Should be a Report of Distinction.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2252999]Ouch! Did I hurt this "senior" member's feelings? Or is this the all too familiar "come-out-swinging-big-when-cornered" response?

Either ways, I don't care. And I don't think this forum needs a mother telling us what to do.[/QUOTE]This site is probably not the best place for you to work out your "mother" issues. In my case, I only asked you a question. I didn't order you to stop doing whatever it is you've been doing in the bathroom for so long and go clean your room.

Alright guys. Enough of this nonsense. Back to business.

Getting what you want from a Thai working girl can be frustrating at times. With all the horror stories on the forum such as runners, starfishes, no BBFS, no BBBJ, no CIM, no GFE, no PSE, no photos, no video, and mechanical experiences, we mongers need to be constantly be on our toes to make sure we get what we want. In this post, I will outline some sure fire ways that should get you what you want most of the time. Of course, there will be some loss causes. With these ladies, no matter what you do, how much you pay, what you say, or how you act, she will still deliver a bad experience.

Number 1, look nice. Out with the flip flops, tank tops, running shoes, old clothes, scuffed up shoes, unkept hair, bad hygiene, bad breath, and bad odors. Use deodorant, put on cologne, and buy some decent clothes. A well dressed and well groomed man garners respect from a Thai girl. If you look healthy and successful, your chances of getting what you want will increase 10 fold. The girls will be more comfortable and less inhibited with a man like this, you will get that BBFS / CIP encounter you are hoping for. The ladies will want to spend time with a man like this. She will let you go BB, cum in her pussy, fuck her ass, give you multiple pops and so on.

Number 2, be generous. You can be generous with the ladies without being a push over. Buy lady drinks for her and a select few of her friends. Tip small amounts but do it consistently. This goes a long way. Face is very important in Thai culture. These girls become proud if they bring a good customer into the bar or massage shop. If your actions give the lady good face in front of their peers, they will reward you in the bedroom. Don't be the Keneow (stingy) customer. In the massage shop, give a big tip once and while. You will be talked about amongst the ladies. The next time you go in, your chosen lady will most likely know who you are and go the extra mile to make you happy. I love the girls who when you ask how much, they say up to you. Does anyone know why they say that? It is because you have done all the right things up to that point and they feel comfortable and secure with you to go with the flow. These girls will never ask you how much you will pay and are happy receiving a fair amount the next morning or after your session. Once, during a night of partying at Sharks in Soi Cowboy, I spent 800 Baht on 4 large pizzas for the staff and girls in the bar. Needless to say, I had a complete and 100% genuine GFE from my lady that night. Pure BBFS, CIP, CIM, and multiple pops. No mention of a condom whatsoever. On another occasion I took the girl LT from a Go Go bar to Above Eleven roof top bar. I only spent 1,500 baht on a few cocktails. Back in my room, she commented on how I was such a gentlemen and took care of her very well. Needless to say, she fucked my brains out in the room BB and let me cum in her pussy. I have a really hot 22 year old Vietnamese girl I see often. I posted about her already on ISG in the foreign working girls thread. She has to be one of the hottest Asian girls I have ever been with. More about her later but my generosity and politeness paid off in the end.

Number 3, don't get hung up on the small details and don't talk too much. Thai girls hate men who talk too much and include many details in the interaction. Go with the flow. More often than not, if you go with the flow, the condom, number of pops, BBBJ, CIM and so on will become a non- issue because the girl will genuinely be happy to spend time with you and make you happy. She will get lost in the heat of the moment and give you that true GFE or PSE session you are looking for.

Number 3, be polite. Politeness goes a long way with the ladies. Learn some of the language. Ask about their families. Open doors for them. Escort them to the toilet if you take them to the bar after you bar fine them. You will be amazed what you will get from them in the bedroom. I can just hear the skeptics now. " She is a hooker, why would you care about how she feels and what she thinks?" This is the wrong attitude to have. Most working girls do this part time and are normal girls during the day. They are real people with real feelings. If you care only about how much the encounter will cost you, then you will fail. However, if you want to get what you want and that is really important to you, follow these guidelines. Especially if you are on holidays. You want to have the best dam time you can. This will ensure your success. I often see a Vietnamese working girl here in BKK. I sometimes take her for dinner before our session. We go to a nice restaurant. I listen to her problems and give her advice. Then I take her back to my room and fuck her brains out BB and CIP. She has to be the one of the hottest 22 year old Asian girls I have been with hands down. Not an ounce of fat on her, natural see cups, and an ass to die for. She charges me 3000 Baht where others ay 5-6 K. She just told me yesterday that I know her better than she knows herself. I fucking love Asia. You can see my original post about her after our first session in the foreign working girls thread. It just got better and better every time we were together. The BBFS started in our 3rd session together.

Number four. Get them tipsy. This might seem a little dodgy and maybe you are thinking along the lines of this is taking advantage of a drunk girl. That's not the case at all. You are not making them so drunk where they lose consciousness and you fuck then BB and CIP. That's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and I don't condone that at all. Just get them tipsy enough where they lose their shyness and open up enough so they feel more comfortable with you.

Finally, brush up on your dady and foreplay skills. If you give the lady excellent DATY and make her cum, in most cases, she will want to return the favor. This has been the difference between me getting BBFS or not on many occasions. For example, as the session begins, the lady places the condom beside you and her on the bed. Now the foreplay starts. You go in for DATY, after you make her cum several times, she is so caught up in the moment, she will allow you to fuck her BB and or give you that BBBJ with CIM. This works for me 80% of the time.

Now to sum up, these methods are not 100% full proof but they have worked for me for the last 7 years in Thailand and the previous 4 years in other Asian countries. Jai Dee or good men get what they want more often than not in this country. I hope my best practices will work for some of you as well as they have worked for me. Happy mongering in BKK.

BKK Dog.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2253088]Now to sum up, these methods are not 100% full proof but they have worked for me for the last 7 years in Thailand and the previous 4 years in other Asian countries. Jai Dee or good men get what they want more often than not in this country. I hope my best practices will work for some of you as well as they have worked for me. Happy mongering in BKK.[/QUOTE]Dog are you by any chance in the process of writing a how to do monger in Thailand book with some selected previews available on ISG. While a tad smug in its tone and personally of little value to me having developed my own system over the past 20 years developed my own system I have to admit it well written and an insightful look into its subject matter.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2253088]Now to sum up, these methods are not 100% full proof but they have worked for me for the last 7 years in Thailand and the previous 4 years in other Asian countries. Jai Dee or good men get what they want more often than not in this country. I hope my best practices will work for some of you as well as they have worked for me. Happy mongering in BKK.

BKK Dog.[/QUOTE]Excellent post. Cudos to you Sir Dog. This is exactly my experience also after 10 years of mongering in Bangkok. Your advise might not get down well with all punters, but unless you are extremely unattractive physically, these advice will get you a long way.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253039]In my case, I only asked you a question.[/QUOTE]LOL. This quibbling over semantics may impress a toothless hooker willing to give a BBBJ + CIM (to completion) behind a dumpster in Sanam Luang.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2252936]Why don't you move along to another website that you might understand better and makes you happier?[/QUOTE]Does anyone else think of this statement as a harmless question?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253039]This site is probably not the best place for you to work out your "mother" issues. [/QUOTE]So much for asking questions only. What is this now? Oh, I know. Opinion. Haha.