Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2961543]Sriracha has an area (especially one soi) right in front of the Phyathai Hospital with a lot of what they call "Japanese Snack" bars. The busiest Soi in these has maybe 20 of these bars full of girls in the evening that will grab men passing by. The area is totally intended for Japanese customers but as a white farang I was still fairly well accepted. As expected, the ladies are more the type the Asian guys would like, don't expect to see big ass tanned tattooed anal girls, the type you find there is more innocent / cute and probably a lot more starfishy than the farang oriented ones.[/QUOTE]Great report! Well written and providing solid information about an option that's off the beaten path. Kudos.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2961543]
I'm sure many would like the area, for me it's just not worth it, but maybe it's because I'm already a Pattaya veteran used to getting hands on in the bar and won't go for anything less than a BBFS.[/QUOTE]About BBFS in Pattaya (and by extension BKK):

New to Thailand but not at all new to mongering. I've done 2 month-long trips to Angeles City, mostly for the BBFS options which I consider a must-have for any session. Overall, been in the game for well over 30 years. Mostly in Europe, South America, Caribbean, China, Singapore, and of course, the US.

In the Philippines, I found that most (maybe 80%) of the bar girls and 90% of the street and app freelancers (definitely NOT Ladyboys which I avoid) will agree to BBFS without pushing for more money.

It looks like in Bangkok and Pattaya, maybe 50% of the girls will agree to BBFS only if I promise an extra 15-30% tip. The other 50% just won't go for it at any reasonable rate. Is that aligned with your experiences?

Can you please help me understand what you look for in a bar girl, freelancer, massage, and GC girl that make them more likely to agree? Probably should note that I am 63,6-feet tall, and fat at 300 lbs. But girls say I have a nice / friendly / respectful personality and in the PH many of my girls asked for repeats often. So I'm not able to rely on youth and fitness to get what I want. LOL.

Thanks for any advice you care to provide.

And if you have any plans to visit the Philippines, I'm happy to help you out.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2961772]It looks like in Bangkok and Pattaya, maybe 50% of the girls will agree to BBFS only if I promise an extra 15-30% tip. The other 50% just won't go for it at any reasonable rate. Is that aligned with your experiences?[/QUOTE]Thats about right, though the tip amount can be zero or high enough to approach insanity. Last night my girl's BBFSCIP tip was zero, but a few days ago another girl's BBFSCIP added fee more than doubled the cost. Occasionally I find a girl who is so seductive that I don't care about a couple thousand extra baht.

Pre approval of BBFSCIP is standard for me.

This will be in a couple of parts / series, as doing this as time permits.

1st. General Logistics, Opinions and Observations. Bars and Ladies Specifics to Follow.

Issan Flt to BBK via ThaiAirways. 1st Leg delayed 50 minutes which caused my arranged taxi to Pattaya to be maybe 15 minutes late picking me up (don't ask why).

Used Mr. Taxi, 1200 baht from airport to Pattaya Soi 10 Sea Me Springs To hotel (tolls included in cost), same cost for return trip. Have been using Mr. Taxi for the past 3 visits to Pattaya, not the cheapest. But reliable with both legs being in a semi-new Camry.

Sea Me Springs To on Soi 10,10,200 baht for 4 nights. Great location and decent hotel, good service staff.

Pattaya was packed with Falangs, but bars weren't very busy during my stay. Asked a couple of bar managers and they confirmed unusually low customer count for this time of year.

Got hit with 2 evening down pours where the streets got flooded, and weather was warmer than I expected.

Just my observations and opinion, so for what it's worth.

- Go-Go Ladies English lacking, see if this makes sense. Years ago most of the Go-Go girls English was decent, my conclusion being previously girls would start off at beer bars then work their way in to the Go-Go scene. Now, they just jump into the highest paying job.

- Lot more mixed race ladies working the bars, not a bad thing.

- Seen this tip on a Youtube video on Soi 6, found it to be true. On Soi 6, I normally pick the girl. Video tip recommended you let the lady pick you or at least show some interest in you. Being over 60 years old and ugly by Thai standards found this tip handy in having a more fun interaction with the lady and there was always 1 poor hottie that would show interest in me.

- Soi 6 Tequila Shots. Some bars have these shot serving wire heart, wire tree and basic serving tray. Wire heart 2000 baht, tree 10 k, big serving tray 5 k and a smaller serving tray for under 1 k baht.

Bunch of guy were buying the 1 k tray and only saw 1 guy buy a 2 k heart.

- Between Soi 7 and Soi 8 Beach Road still smells like a sewer, brings back memories from 30 years ago on every visit.

- Beer Bars. I like beer bars for a relaxing drink and a game of pool. What happened to very beer bar having at least one or two hotties working (again, what I consider hot), beer bars were a disappointment.

- Visited Honey 1 and 2, along with Sabai Dee. Thought Honey 2 had the best looking ladies, did two sessions there. Oh, Naru Oil Massage isn't worth the additional cost IMO, 1 time maybe for the experience.

- Always as for ladies age with Thai ID proof. Crazy, one lady who I thought might be under age was 25 years old and another lady on Soi 6 who I thought was in her mid-twenties was turning 40 this year.

- Regular at Tahitian Queen on Beach Road for over 30 years. Love the music and relaxed atmosphere. Was a bit disappointed in the selection of ladies on both the day and nightshift. However, still love the place for a cold beer and old fashion rock and roll.

- Beach Road. Walked Beach Road on 3 out of the 4 nights (9 pm, 1 am and 4 am). There maybe diamonds out there, but I didn't see any.

Next Part. Will cover Bars, Gent Club (singular, as I only visited Heaven Above twice), Soi 6 and Go-Gos (1 on Soi 6, TQ and 3 on Walking Street).

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2961772]
It looks like in Bangkok and Pattaya, maybe 50% of the girls will agree to BBFS only if I promise an extra 15-30% tip. The other 50% just won't go for it at any reasonable rate. Is that aligned with your experiences?

Can you please help me understand what you look for in a bar girl, freelancer, massage, and GC girl that make them more likely to agree? [/QUOTE]This really depends on the type of venue and the guy as well, including your personal presentation and ability to get them to provide BBFS.

The main thing here is almost every girl can provide BBFS if you play your cards right. Most are ok with it, some (not all) ok with CP too. What they are really NOT ok with is their friends knowing that they BB, this is one of the worst "face loss" factors that will make the girls say NO if you're playing it wrong.

To me, going to a venue (or approaching them in the street) openly asking for BB is a stupid thing to do, as soon as the first one refuses you the next one is much more likely to refuse, because her friends that you asked before will know that she does BB if you take her.

I just take the girls and most of the time BB happens naturally, sometimes they might ask for condom but after a brief negotiation in the room they're ok with BB. What you don't want to do is to try to force your way in, or throw a fit refusing to pay the girl and demanding a barfine refund (some idiots do that) just because she wasn't ok with BB. This will fuck your reputation up with girls and can even get you banned from the bar.

Be nice to them, and more often than not they'll be nice to you in return.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2961789]- Go-Go Ladies English lacking, see if this makes sense. Years ago most of the Go-Go girls English was decent, my conclusion being previously girls would start off at beer bars then work their way in to the Go-Go scene. Now, they just jump into the highest paying job.[/QUOTE]No, they lack English speaking capabilities because of the emergence of smartphones. Now they can litterally communicate with anyone using their phone.

They were already dumb in the past, but they would at least put the effort to try and learn something new (a new language). Now they are even dumber than they used to be because of the constant use of the smartphone.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2961789]- Soi 6 Tequila Shots. Some bars have these shot serving wire heart, wire tree and basic serving tray. Wire heart 2000 baht, tree 10 k, big serving tray 5 k and a smaller serving tray for under 1 k baht.

Bunch of guy were buying the 1 k tray and only saw 1 guy buy a 2 k heart.[/QUOTE]Nobody should fall for these, this has been created for retarded guys only.

They are pushing very hard for the drink stuff these days (the management, not the girls), at the point it might drive many customers away from the soi.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2960144]In almost 18 months of hiring prostitutes in Pattaya. I have never had a single one tell me they had a husband or boyfriend of any type.[/QUOTE]But why? Are they so ugly that nobody else wants them? LOL.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2957874]

There's a budget hotel right across from 808, its called "The Green View. " Its a nice hotel, which you can also use for short time hourly sessions that is 10x better than...[/QUOTE]Most hotels I've been staying in have a requirement that the girl be 20+ years old. My visit the past two weeks trended 18 and 19 year old. Do you know what Green View policy is with ID?

Horsetrader and Intrepid123.

Thanks for the confirmation, and the advice on the process and protocol which is essentially the same as I've seen in the Philippines. BB discussions must be made in private, away from prying ears. And most importantly, DO NOT ask the mamasan about which girls provide it.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2961818]This really depends on the type of venue and the guy as well, including your personal presentation and ability to get them to provide BBFS.

The main thing here is almost every girl can provide BBFS if you play your cards right. Most are ok with it, some (not all) ok with CP too. What they are really NOT ok with is their friends knowing that they BB, this is one of the worst "face loss" factors that will make the girls say NO if you're playing it wrong.

To me, going to a venue (or approaching them in the street) openly asking for BB is a stupid thing to do, as soon as the first one refuses you the next one is much more likely to refuse, because her friends that you asked before will know that she does BB if you take her.

I just take the girls and most of the time BB happens naturally, sometimes they might ask for condom but after a brief negotiation in the room they're ok with BB. What you don't want to do is to try to force your way in, or throw a fit refusing to pay the girl and demanding a barfine refund (some idiots do that) just because she wasn't ok with BB. This will fuck your reputation up with girls and can even get you banned from the bar.

Be nice to them, and more often than not they'll be nice to you in return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KneeGrowSlayer;2961835]But why? Are they so ugly that nobody else wants them? LOL.[/QUOTE][B]That's it[/B]! Winner, Winner of a Chicken Dinner.

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2961543]The venues are all closed doors, unlike Soi 6. Once you're in, the Mamasan will get you seated (mostly sofas) downstairs or you can get a private room upstairs (no sex allowed there, just a closed karaoke room), then she will bring in all the available ladies for you to choose from.

Lady drinks also work very different from Pattaya, you pay for the lady's company (like 400 b / hour if I remember) plus a bucket of beer, and she can drink from your beer. The glasses she drinks are also charged in a lousy / inaccurate way. At the end they'll figure out how many glasses she had and write in a paper the amount you have to pay. It's not too expensive but if you're expecting the same transparency you get in Pattaya you'll feel disappointed.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that. It's a good start and gives me a good idea of what to expect. I, too, won't settle for anything less than BBFS back to my place. I sure don't expect the girls to act like in Pattaya, otherwise they'd already be there, or they don't like that vibe. There are so many of them; I do wonder which ones are better. Time to roll up my sleeves and get to "work".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2961624]If that is the case, then shouldn't you be the one doing the reports? Why wait for somebody else's reports when you are right there with boots on the ground, know where the places are, and can be trying them out and reporting on them yourself. You can not be serious right now. I know that you said that you are lazy, but there can not be that much lazy in the world.[/QUOTE]Ah, thank you for your advice. I am just getting started in a new neighborhood (been here a month) and was simply asking for insight before I get started. Please tell me what was wrong with asking. Yes, eventually I will be writing reports. I am not waiting for someone to do it for me. No, I'm not so lazy that I need everyone do everything for me. My laziness is that I just don't feel like driving all the way to Pattaya, get drunk and have to drive back home, which would be downright stupid, especially that I can see there might be action in my backyard. Here, indeed I can just walk home. Am I not allowed to ask if I find no report done yet? It's just a question.

Peace out and enjoy what you enjoy.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2961789]
- Soi 6 Tequila Shots. Some bars have these shot serving wire heart, wire tree and basic serving tray. Wire heart 2000 baht, tree 10 k, big serving tray 5 k and a smaller serving tray for under 1 k baht.
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[QUOTE=Paolo99;2961823]
Nobody should fall for these, this has been created for retarded guys only.

They are pushing very hard for the drink stuff these days (the management, not the girls), at the point it might drive many customers away from the soi.[/QUOTE]You'd be surprised if you knew how successful these tower racks are. The biggest ones hold 60 shots (and are not that rare to get sold) and some guys put 100 b with each glass.

Mostly Asian guys buy them, they love to be as flashy as possible.

I tell you, if you fancy some Asian style girl it can be very hard to compete with these guys. In one of the bars I was buying lady drinks (one by one, was on the 4th or 5th) and went for a pool game. As soon as I left the girl a Korean dude approached her and within seconds got her a huge tower of shots and also pulled the horn.

The girl is always very nice to me and apologized for this, I just told her to go for it, that guy is worth to her (and to the bar) a lot more than I'll ever be. I just moved on and I'll be back for her in a quieter day (I took her a few times in the past).

[QUOTE=Intrepid123;2962033]You'd be surprised if you knew how successful these tower racks are. The biggest ones hold 60 shots (and are not that rare to get sold) and some guys put 100 b with each glass.

Mostly Asian guys buy them, they love to be as flashy as possible.

I tell you, if you fancy some Asian style girl it can be very hard to compete with these guys. In one of the bars I was buying lady drinks (one by one, was on the 4th or 5th) and went for a pool game. As soon as I left the girl a Korean dude approached her and within seconds got her a huge tower of shots and also pulled the horn.

The girl is always very nice to me and apologized for this, I just told her to go for it, that guy is worth to her (and to the bar) a lot more than I'll ever be. I just moved on and I'll be back for her in a quieter day (I took her a few times in the past).[/QUOTE]People can do whatever they want. If there is hundreds of guys falling for this bullshit, it doesn't mean they are not retarded.

Now the girls working in that soi prefer being rejected 19 times out of 20 by some of these retarded Asian guys instead of servicing 5 westerners in the same time. That's because they are too dumb to understand what's going on, and you'll find some of them in a bar around Buakhao in the near future claiming she moved from soi 6 because she didn't make enough bucks there. Somnamna b.

As for the girl who left you for the Korean guy, you think you're playing it smart, but she's just using you as her personal rag.

Personally I would never have gone back to her, especially if I was one of her repeat customers.

[QUOTE=MrHappyKat;2961923]Horsetrader and Intrepid123.

Thanks for the confirmation, and the advice on the process and protocol which is essentially the same as I've seen in the Philippines. BB discussions must be made in private, away from prying ears. And most importantly, DO NOT ask the mamasan about which girls provide it.[/QUOTE]Condom demands in AC are a relatively new (post covid) phenomenon and one more nail in the AC coffin. The other place where BBFS was standard was the AO clubs in Germany but I don't know if that's the case anymore as I haven't been in several years. In the rest of SEA (Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam) its hit or miss and yes, you only find out when you are in the room. The trick is to find a girl pretty enough to get you off with the condom but if you get the BBFS then great. In Pattaya, Gents clubs provide the best chance, but I have got it from 20 yo GoGo dancers, TF chicks and even Beach Road Girls. Sometimes you are surprised (pleasantly) when a place and girl you never thought would, does. Non pro girls OTOH almost always provide BBFS without any discussion or thought, at least in Philippines, Indo, and Vietnam. I haven't had a non pro in Thailand in many years and its harder than ever to get those as a short time visitor.