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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1852693]An old saying goes, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch. ".[/QUOTE]"Don't count your pinay pussies before you pop 'them" would be more like it in this case, I guess. All planning has been known to descend into total chaos in the Philippines, as has been often pointed out on these threads.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1854973]Another commentator gave an account of a fella just walking out on girl, which seems to me unsporting. If there's no chemistry still enjoy a drink or meal, have a chat, and say your farewells. [/QUOTE]Excellent gentlemanly advice. I've found some unattractive surprises, but just being friendly enough to get through a drink, or fries, or whatever is worth the potential friendship and one's own dignity. For the more calculating among us, remember that bars and online 1st-date-fun girls are only the tip of the iceberg of lovely ladies in the Philippines. Having as many simple, ordinary friendships as possible with local ladies leads to unending opportunities with hotties unimaginable in any country I've ever visited.
Mr Hutsori, thank you always for your info and advice. You seem to be the most plugged in to local society among the active posters on this forum.
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Mr Hutsori, thank you always for your info and advice. You seem to be the most plugged in to local society among the active posters on this forum.[/QUOTE]Nice of you to say, but long-term residents who are connected deeply like Red and GE are much more plugged in than I am. Their comments are always worth reading and thought.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1855139]Nice of you to say, but long-term residents who are connected deeply like Red and GE are much more plugged in than I am. Their comments are always worth reading and thought.[/QUOTE]It appears that your comment was just from plain common sense and common courtesy.
A lot of stories have been written about Filipinas and their behavior. But we never hear about the western man.
The past three days I have been having the free breakfast buffet at a very nice hotel. Each morning a western man followed by his Pinay GF have come in within a few minutes after me. This Pinay is about 27 and the man is 60+. The Pinay is absolutely beautiful with a firm body and "see" cups. I would rate her a 8. 5 and him a 5. 0 looks wise. Each morning I have observed him always walking in front of her and never conversing with her.
I didn't notice that they were behind me waiting for the elevator. As the elevator door opened it was already full with people from the basement parking going up. The man rushed around me and jumped into the elevator leaving her behind. The Pinay and I had a brief talk waiting for the next elevator and I said her BF must be waiting for her. She replied that he never waits for her and was not very considerate and that she has accepted that. Pretty loyal woman. To my surprise she spoke good English and seemed pretty educated. She would have been on the top of my list for a GF. Very top!
When we hear stories of men bitching about pinays we need to consider the source. Possibly they are the problem.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1866510]A lot of stories have been written about Filipinas and their behavior. But we never hear about the western man.
The past three days I have been having the free breakfast buffet at a very nice hotel. Each morning a western man followed by his Pinay GF have come in within a few minutes after me. This Pinay is about 27 and the man is 60+. The Pinay is absolutely beautiful with a firm body and "see" cups. I would rate her a 8. 5 and him a 5. 0 looks wise. Each morning I have observed him always walking in front of her and never conversing with her.
I didn't notice that they were behind me waiting for the elevator. As the elevator door opened it was already full with people from the basement parking going up. The man rushed around me and jumped into the elevator leaving her behind. The Pinay and I had a brief talk waiting for the next elevator and I said her BF must be waiting for her. She replied that he never waits for her and was not very considerate and that she has accepted that. Pretty loyal woman. To my surprise she spoke good English and seemed pretty educated. She would have been on the top of my list for a GF. Very top!
When we hear stories of men bitching about pinays we need to consider the source. Possibly they are the problem.[/QUOTE]Lots of men are only able to earn women with their wallet, these men are assholes on every continent. I have seen allot of this also. I have also seen some genuinely nice fellows but not many. The attitude of the average Pinay is lessening and the cost of casual sex is getting significantly higher because if this.
Its an old quote but it literally does cost nothing to be nice!
PP.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1866510]A lot of stories have been written about Filipinas and their behavior. But we never hear about the western man. SNIP
I didn't notice that they were behind me waiting for the elevator. As the elevator door opened it was already full with people from the basement parking going up. The man rushed around me and jumped into the elevator leaving her behind. The Pinay and I had a brief talk waiting for the next elevator and I said her BF must be waiting for her. She replied that he never waits for her and was not very considerate and that she has accepted that. Pretty loyal woman. To my surprise she spoke good English and seemed pretty educated. She would have been on the top of my list for a GF. Very top!
When we hear stories of men bitching about pinays we need to consider the source. Possibly they are the problem.[/QUOTE]Oh good lordy don't get me started on all the things I see guys doing (or saying they did) with pinay that make me think: WTF dude! Often times the source of his discontent is a cultural difference. Lets use timeliness (or the lack thereof) as an example. She shows up 90 minutes late. He berates her (sometimes in public, I love that one, so does she). Fella: Does that lead to better sex in the next few hours? Well? Think about this. I don't like tardiness anymore than the next gent. However, the overriding reason you went there big fella is to bed her. Doesn't make sense to spend big pesos to be there, followed by turning her off massively. Yet I see gents doing odd stuff routinely (that he would never do with his GF or mother in his country).
[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1866754]Lots of men are only able to earn women with their wallet, [/QUOTE]I think that describes almost every male / female relationship. PP said it himself by using the word 'earn'. Its easy for many of us to 'woo' women. That works in different ways: guapo, fun personality, money maybe. Even a poor boy can woo get a girl (just look around phils). However, no matter how good-looking or charming he is, no woman stays permanently with that guy who cannot support her financially (or marry her, or both). Hence, you can only 'earn' her for a brief period of time (a few months or years). Most of us on this board are only interested in her tonight (or for a week or two at the resort in Boracay). There is little difference between the fat old fart who earns women with his wallet, and the gwapo / charming younger gent who 'gets chicks' easily with the force of his personality: eventually she's there for one reason (money / things for herself / family). Personally, I prefer not to 'woo' (although it happens a lot), I prefer to pay in some way at the end of the transaction. That might involve an up-front negotiation, or if nothing is discussed in advance, I'm pushing 10 k into her purse at the end of her several days with me.
Some examples later.
[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1866754]Its an old quote but it literally does cost nothing to be nice! [/QUOTE]Quote of the year. Newbs (and everyone) pay attention.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1866799]There is little difference between the fat old fart who earns women with his wallet, and the gwapo / charming younger gent who 'gets chicks' easily with the force of his personality: eventually she's there for one reason (money / things for herself / family). [/QUOTE]I disagree with that. To cite 3 instances from last month:
I went to my girl's house in Cebu. Stayed there a couple of days then we went to a resort in Moalboal for a couple of days, then back to her house. Before I left to catch my flight to AC I tried to give her money for the electric bill because she had run the AC a lot while I was there. She about cursed me out and would not accept.
In AC I date a girl who works at a massage parlor. I have known her 4 years and she is just now taking me serious. She gave me a massage at her job and for the next hour when she got off work and we went to dinner she refused to accept the tip I was trying to give her for the massage.
Then when I got to Manila, a chick who works at the Supreme Court came to stay with me for a couple days. When it was time to check out of the hotel she wanted to know how much she had to give me for her part of the bill.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1866907]I disagree with that. To cite 3 instances from last month:
I went to my girl's house in Cebu. Stayed there a couple of days then we went to a resort in Moalboal for a couple of days, then back to her house. Before I left to catch my flight to AC I tried to give her money for the electric bill because she had run the AC a lot while I was there. She about cursed me out and would not accept.
In AC I date a girl who works at a massage parlor. I have known her 4 years and she is just now taking me serious. She gave me a massage at her job and for the next hour when she got off work and we went to dinner she refused to accept the tip I was trying to give her for the massage.
Then when I got to Manila, a chick who works at the Supreme Court came to stay with me for a couple days. When it was time to check out of the hotel she wanted to know how much she had to give me for her part of the bill.[/QUOTE]Reading your posts over the years, all I can say is, you are Gwapo / Chick Magnet, LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1866907]I disagree with that. To cite 3 instances from last month:
I went to my girl's house in Cebu. Stayed there a couple of days then we went to a resort in Moalboal for a couple of days, then back to her house. Before I left to catch my flight to AC I tried to give her money for the electric bill because she had run the AC a lot while I was there. She about cursed me out and would not accept.
In AC I date a girl who works at a massage parlor. I have known her 4 years and she is just now taking me serious. She gave me a massage at her job and for the next hour when she got off work and we went to dinner she refused to accept the tip I was trying to give her for the massage.
Then when I got to Manila, a chick who works at the Supreme Court came to stay with me for a couple days. When it was time to check out of the hotel she wanted to know how much she had to give me for her part of the bill.[/QUOTE]Westy said: EVENTUALLY she's there for one reason (money / things for herself / family).
Sometimes you don't pay right away but in the end you ALWAYS pay for pussy.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1867567]Westy said: EVENTUALLY she's there for one reason (money / things for herself / family).
Sometimes you don't pay right away but in the end you ALWAYS pay for pussy.[/QUOTE]And eventually in the end I will win the lottery. I have enough experience to realize that you always pay for pussy is bullshit. Even when I was married my wife paid the mortgage (which was the big bill) and I paid the utilities. When I got divorced (simply because I did not want to be married anymore; my wife was a great woman) the judge gave me most of the stuff.
I am on the way to the Dominican Republic now where a Dominican American friend is marrying his Filipina American live in girlfriend of 18 years. This chick makes way more money than him. Is she paying for dick because she makes more or does she still make him pay for pussy on his meager income?
You aren't dead yet, E. Give it time.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867755]And eventually in the end I will win the lottery. I have enough experience to realize that you always pay for pussy is bullshit. Even when I was married my wife paid the mortgage (which was the big bill) and I paid the utilities. When I got divorced (simply because I did not want to be married anymore; my wife was a great woman) the judge gave me most of the stuff.
I am on the way to the Dominican Republic now where a Dominican American friend is marrying his Filipina American live in girlfriend of 18 years. This chick makes way more money than him. Is she paying for dick because she makes more or does she still make him pay for pussy on his meager income?[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1867567]Westy said: EVENTUALLY she's there for one reason (money / things for herself / family).
Sometimes you don't pay right away but in the end you ALWAYS pay for pussy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867755]And eventually in the end I will win the lottery. I have enough experience to realize that you always pay for pussy is bullshit. Even when I was married my wife paid the mortgage (which was the big bill) and I paid the utilities. When I got divorced (simply because I did not want to be married anymore; my wife was a great woman) the judge gave me most of the stuff.
I am on the way to the Dominican Republic now where a Dominican American friend is marrying his Filipina American live in girlfriend of 18 years. This chick makes way more money than him. Is she paying for dick because she makes more or does she still make him pay for pussy on his meager income?[/QUOTE]You must admit, ME, those situations are the exception, not the rule. Pussy tends to moves first towards love / excitement, then later towards stability.
There was a movie, about a decade ago, that was popular here. "Into the Blue", with actors Paul Walker and Jessica Alba. They are pretty actors. In the flick, they are young, happy, living with (at best) regular jobs in the Caribbean. There is adventure, danger, and a treasure at the bottom of the sea. At the end of the flick, they have found the treasure, and all live happily ever after, blah blah. Now imagine 100 such young couples. Imagine they have the same life and adventure. But none of them find the treasure. They have low-wage jobs, and just like in the flick, they have little else besides love for each other (and a cute dog, like in the movie). If you imagine these 100 attractive young couples, then you will easily be able to see that eventually, most of the pretty girls in these relationships will move on from their boyfriend (love notwithstanding), and gravitate towards greater stability. Only a handful of them would still be with the same boyfriend at age 35.
Not all snatch is paid for. But most is, in some format or other.
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27 girls in total. [/QUOTE]I could never fit that many girls into a few days, but I don't follow your method of only girls from Makati-or-near. I invite from anywhere in Metro Manila, or neighboring provinces if extra hot. I gave up nagging them to be on time. Instead I double-book and take my chances. Reliable girls get promoted to repeat visitor qualification.
Thanks for the statistics on how the ladies respond to sex with no money attached. I also always give "guilt money" or whatever we want to call it. They always have some money problem in their life: college tuition, sick somebody, baby needs a Ferrari, whatever. I'm not as generous as you. I give 500 pesos for showing up. Sometimes I'm double booked and making her leave. Sometimes I decide on the spot I'm not interested. For a lady staying all day with the maximum hotness, enthusiasm, and bedroom talent points I give around 6 k. The amount is the same however I met them: fake FB, dating site, mall or Burgos. Most guys here recommend negotiating specific prices for specific services, but I rarely do. I prefer to reward for performance. To paraphrase somebody's post from many years ago: I don't worry whether I'm affecting the market price, because I can only dream of having that much market share! I give a "reason" for the cash: This is for your upcoming birthday, or your grannie's medicine, or whatever.
For market-watchers: Since 2007 price of pro puki (Pinay baby ejection tunnel) has roughly doubled in my observation. For first world guys, it's still a great deal. I enjoy the game of online dating or fake FB more, though. The expense is roughly the same, but making local friends opens opportunities to unlimited hot new ladies we could never find in a bar.
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In case you have forgotten this forum is to educate members about our hobby. [/QUOTE]I'd add to entertain as well. In his defense (I hesitate to refer to him as "Mr Sucks") he does fill a niche rarely reported on by others and provides a lot more pics than most. I may be unusual in that I pursue Pinays with a budget varying widely from "gotta use game or go without" to willing to splurge (by my standards) if I find Ms Perfect (USD 500+ for a day or two). Burgos, Malate, and AC are well reported, almost enough to have a live fee-for-service menu online at least in narrow price ranges.
For times of low or no budget, I know of only two options. One is scary cheap scary location scary looks offerings throughout Metro Manila. The other is time spent convincing girls with words. Time is indeed money.
When I can plan my uncommon splurge moments, it's pretty easy to find an amazingly hot non-pro in FB or online dating as a "travel companion" saying "our travel budget will be X pesos apiece per day" to make her feel like she's not a pro. Unfortunately, I rarely have much advance planning time. I'd be very interested in advice from experienced members on this real situation: You have 30 k to spend in the next 24 hours on the best Pinay companionship you can find. You're at the airport with your bags with no advance planning for hotel or girl. What to do?
Those are extreme cases. 80% of the time my budget for the ladies is 4 k to 6 k per calendar day. I do enjoy the reports from those working with much higher or much lower budgets.