A week in Nairobi, reported
All the girls I met with are Tinder girls. I spoke to them for a few days before I arrived.
Out of a week I met with 8 girls.
I didn't even pay them one shill, it's very easy to bring a girl home if you're a foreign guy, and a young man.
Yes I paid for their transport and meals.
It is important to talk to them a few days before arrival and try to connect, some will ask for money and some will not, and some will try to raise money from you and do it smoothly with some excuse like "my cellphone is lost, we can't talk at all" she probably expects you to buy a new cellphone.
The local women in Kenya love sex, they know the job.
I was amazed at the amount of girls who want to meet, it didn't happen to me in my country, I would give you an example, I had at least 4 girls who wanted to meet in the evening and I had to choose one of them, it was hard, and I was sorry I only came for a week.
Good apps:
Bolt- a very cheap taxi app in Nairobi.
Safaricom.
Get ready to get glances for a few seconds from people in the street.
Children on the street may have to contact you with the goal of asking for money and will not leave you.
Keep your cellphone close to you!
Thank you and Mpesa question
Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.
I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.
I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.
I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!
Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).
*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?
Reading comprehension difficulties
[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2883625]Not pay up front, never. How many times are we supposed to tell you this until you understand? Stay in Thailand if you can't do that.[/QUOTE]English must not be your first language? No one said anything about paying upfront. I mentioned that I would be upfront about prices to be paid after services are rendered. You need to work on your reading comprehension, lad.
It just that, An Illusion
[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2876875]I simply have no interest in the over P4P mentality. I prefer the illusion of a real girlfriend experience.[/QUOTE]Metaphysics aside, many have posted in so many words that whatever your experience is with the Kenyan ladies, it's still transactional, P4 P or GFE. None of us should be fooled, or so foolish, not to recognize: you WILL pay, one way or the other. Just be sure it's to your benefit.
Although I certainly already knew this by heart, I just got hard reminded of it during my recent trip: meet a "college" (in Kenya, colleges are for those who can't afford or don't have the grades for university) Kenchic via Tinder, who was more alluring than sexy based on her pics & vids from her profile. Still, ended up hooking up with her, in person she was really a hot number, slim but fully sexy in the way she dressed, and better au naturel perfect t&a. Was a sweet spinner in the sack, and has good head game. We quickly established a girl friendly experience (GFE), she INITIALLY seems eager just to have someone (foreign) to hang with during Christmas holidays, at a fancy apt complex with pool, chill common areas, gameroom, etc. I was glad to have the company. And the sex. No money was ever negotiated but of course it was free food, wine, transport, some phone credit, traveling, entertainment to her. All on my expense.
It lasted about 10 days--the illusion turned to reality when she realized she wasn't getting direct cash, so she started holding back on 'services'. The final straw for both of us is when she went to bed with her clothes on, and woke up playing with her phone rather than with me. I concluded the illusion by telling her, that same morning, that I was totally busy that day so she had to go home. I never said we would meet again, nor did I even give her fare to go home. We haven't texted since. That was the end of that.
Still, Fun while it lasted.
"Dating" in Kenya (& more)
A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.
CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays. Alchemist seems quiet on weekdays and busy on weekends. Generally, nightlife in Westlands seems to start at midnight. During the week, one needs to know which clubs are "hot", especially Monday to Wednesday.
STRIPCLUB: Liddos was closed (temporarily, it seems). Standing in the street and trying to figure out what to do next, I ran into the only Kenyan guy that did not want something from me. He mentioned "207 Lounge" and walked away. I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in. Didn't see a foreigner there.
APPS: Girls on apps are young, horny, and abundant. Many are blessed with bodies that Western women couldn't achieve even if they worked out 5 days a week. As a rule of thumb, Tinder is more for paid hook-ups whereas Bumble is more for girls with "normal jobs". As the latter doesn't mean much in Kenya, realistically, the differences are minimal. The "programmer" you match with on Bumble may be really able to code, or just "plans" to be a programmer "next year". In general, if you want "normal" dating (I. E. , without pre-arranged service agreements), be prepared to be taken advantage of. Not always, but sometimes. Which brings me to the next point:
CULTURE: Kenyans are open and friendly, however, the amount of time and effort they are willing to invest just to get a few bucks out of you is simply mind-boggling. Guys on the streets will walk with you for hours and tell you the nicest stories about orphanages, schools etc. Just to get something out of you, even if it's just a few hundred shilling. Girls, especially the "regular" girls with "jobs", will spend entire afternoons and evenings with you for a a few drinks, or a dinner. If you're strictly after sex, it makes more sense to go for the semi-pro's with the pre-arranged "taxi money". If you want the thrill of "regular dating", be prepared to be astonished by the level of work Kenyan girls put in for a little bit of attention and a hot dish. Without guaranteed sex. As most Kenyan women, pro or non-pro, generally enjoy jokes and appreciate a healthy amount of dirty smalltalk, I suggest to do just that before the date in a relaxed & playful manner and filter out the ones that are not responsive (BTW this strategy works in the West too, although you must be more careful and less direct).
CONCLUSION: After a self-imposed 2-year hiatus from dating in order to free up energy to work on myself, I enjoyed Kenya a lot. The feeling of dating a hot 20-something that can hold a conversation (yes, they exist), and has a good sense of humor, meant a lot to me. Nevertheless, "regular" dating in Kenya means there's a chance you run into girls that will take you for a ride without putting out. In Europe, I have a three-date rule, in Kenya that's down to two dates, and I almost believe that's still one date too much. Kenya's economy and demographics means that there's not too much of a difference both in looks and brains between semi-pro's and "regular girls". They all need to make a living. And that's the true value that Kenya holds for men: There's an abundance of women everywhere. Whatever you do, you will get laid by a hot 20-something that loves having sex.
