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[QUOTE=Breadman;2263926]Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? [/QUOTE]I think it is a bit of a combination of a few points and the fact that Thailand has matured as a P4 P scene.

1. We are definitely getting older and don't have the same draw power when we were younger. I feel this affect as each season goes by, girls that would often stay with me for extra time or free when I was in my 30's and a good looking, wealthy young dude. Now they are much more work as I am in my late 40's and they are much less willing to stay extra time and freebies are getting rarer and rarer. A 20 something chic of course doesn't want to bang a 55+ year old dude but will "go through the motions" for cash of course. I see this as my destiny, it is hard to take sometimes but the reality is the human body does not get more appealing with age.

2. Thailand and most of Asia is much wealthier than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Hence they have more options.

3. The bar scene has peaked with technology making it easier to find P4 P. Thaifriendly and other online options mean that a whole new world has opened to make contact with younger ladies in need to pay a few extra bills much easier. Yes we may go to a bar for a bit of a drink but the bread and butter in the P4 P scene is definitely moving online. I used to go to a Bar to look for some P4 P, now I go for a drink and a bit of fun and am not bothered if I don't find something because I have a wider net to draw from. Once you work out a little system on how to get the best out of thaifriendly and other dating sites it is a gold mine for cheaper, less hardened P4 P.

It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.

I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.

If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you — not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.

P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967] And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls[/QUOTE]The thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263972]The thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.[/QUOTE]Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. Repeating the great good service girls (with high optical score. Great face and body) is allowed. I found there are top girls happy to give a fantastic GFE, if I wasn't trying to get out of it with an el-cheapo 30 min quickie (for 50 Euros. Less than 2 k Baht). If CrocXP never found the great girls then I have to assume he was spending only 50 Euros (and in recent years).

In old days Thais were more reliable for service than Western girls, but I think the difference gap has dropped away. Black girls and Latinas have always been the most reliable for service overall in my experience, however there are certain countries from which I never had a bad service, e.g. Czech girls, Hungarian girls (sample not large though). They were always enthusiastic.

I accept the Breadman point that I don't have the same appeal to Thai girls that I had in 1991, even my sex skills have improved (most enthusiastic girls can orgasm in DATY or cowgirl or both). Fkk girls in Europe are very used to doing men far older than me (10 years older but look 20 years older), so I may seem just middle aged.

Not many of my girls want to do a lot of talking during sex, so I treat the Breadman point on communication problems as a total joke. If the girl talks too much (and I understand Thai very well), I would drop her. I am the peaceful loving type. One ex GF is annoying for me, as goes on and on, on the same point. I understood very well the first or second time.

I am not running off to Europe girls though. Thai girls are still a lot cheaper on a time basis. If you want 90 mins to 2 hours, in Europe becomes very expensive, and 4 hours to all night price is ridiculous. 30 mins quickie never worked for me. Of course if we want really cheap, then Cambodia is a better option.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263978]Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. [/QUOTE]You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2263842]Lady drinks were 220 at king's castle 1 a couple of weeks ago. Only DFK from my girl. Not even a HJ for my 220 baht. Only some over the pants rubbing.

Goatscot, when were you last in a Germany fkk? You have to negotiate for a bbbj now for 50 euro. Girls want 100 euro now for dfk and bbbj.

Not sure when you last visited Jakarta either. I was there last week. Talent is way way down. I was counting the days to get back to pattaya gogo girls.[/QUOTE]You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle. If you expect a HJ for 220 Baht, we should expel you to Cambodia. :) However I trust you were joking. Personally I have no interest in HJs at all (nor a massage) so no idea how much one should pay for that. However many years ago 500 was considered standard tip for a HJ in a "rub'n tug" MP.

I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar. e.g. Shark bar has no excitement for me, simply because I like to see girls naked or at least topless, and I think the lady drinks are 200 or more these days. Just a waste of money to be there, other than to BF the girl. I can contact all my regular bargirls (unless already disappeared).

Talent cannot be way down in Jakarta. Makes no sense. I was there recently and pleased to see the lower prevalence of surgeries girls. What you really mean, most likely and just my guess, is the value for money is way down, because the hottest girls are expensive. Yes relatively few of the girls were hugely appealing to me, but I have become very fussy. Once you have a large line up though, bound to be able to find some girl with good looks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263983]You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.[/QUOTE]Not sure in what way it is "something different".

Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily, however I had plenty of girls that were really great the very first time, especially relatively new girls (not yet hardened). One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session. Unfortunately she maybe wasn't cut out for that job and left. My main places were Oase, Sharks, and World (other places in the further past). This year Carla and Adele (oase girls - very experienced girls) were still giving me great GFE service, as they know I will spend more than 50 (don't try to get the world for a pittance) and they are not wasting their time and efforts. Both are orgasmic girls (when they are in the mood) too. You may need to pick up some highly recommended girls, to improve your odds a lot, so helps if you know some customers that are there every week, and get some tips from them. World was a place with great girls years ago, but don't know recently.

Yes I know there are crap girls too, especially German girls (only 50% success rate with Germans). They have the whole spectrum, but plenty of girls never ever gave me a bad service. Repeat sessions are usually better than the first session of course, but still some fab girls the first time. Latinas are very reliable, such that even some very ugly ones get good business, where I only try the prettier ones.

[QUOTE=JakeBrown6661;2263795]Any action around Khao San Road? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are cheap ladies of the night (street walkers) that hang around Sanam Luang I have heard. However if you want to P4 P, I really suggest that you should not be in that area. Too far from good action. You could take a taxi to Chao Praya 2 soapy or Sao Botan (S. Botan) but I haven't checked lately if any talent there. Perhaps IDA Soapy would be much higher class, but perhaps a bit further away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]Not sure in what way it is "something different".[/QUOTE]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily
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You also said it right there.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967]It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.

I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.

If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.

P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, Brazil is on another level. GFE, PSE from an 8+ is easy to find. In thailand is is very hard to find on a consistent basis. On the whole Thai girls are a lot more conservative than latinas and euro girls.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263997]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.
[/QUOTE]That's a completely hypothetical question that cannot be answered. Really. There are girls in every country that will kiss you and girls who won't. Whether or not they are "top girls" (whatever that means) is not likely to be a factor. Though your low end girls like you will find in Santa Fe (Bogota) or ACE / Richmoore (Kuala Lumpur) often give you as little as they can get away with in the 15 minutes you paid for, expensive girls can do the same. Some girls won't let you get your lips near their face (Colombia) without ponying up a bit more cash. There are girls who will tolerate some brief French kissing in Thailand to be sure. Just don't push it unless you can see she is into it. The first German freelancer I hooked up with Berlin engaged in DFK for at least 10 minutes as part of the regular program for the hour I paid. Others will want a surcharge up front (as often specified on [URL]Kaufmich.com[/URL]) as mongering Germany can really get to a "cafeteria plan" that will add up. The next German freelancer gave me an excellent cat bath I will never forget, but didn't exchange tongues until she was riding me cowgirl, apparently realized my time was up, and decided giving me some deep tongue action would hasten me to blow my load (it worked, too). Another massage girl in Bangkok was giving me a BBBJ and then decided to give me DFK while she finished me off with her hand. A clever way to avoid a load of jizz in her mouth, I think.

My suggestion is that if DFK is so important to you, then forget mongering and get a real girlfriend. If that doesn't sound good to you, then just go and try mongering a bit in different places. Don't worry about the nuances. Every encounter with a new girl will be uncertain, and that's the exciting part. You might not get everything you thought you wanted, but might instead get something you never expected. Like an excellent cat bath you will never forget or a 10-minute long "Black Kiss". But, if you are trying to hash this details before you go anywhere, you will either go and be disappointed or never getting around to going at all. And forget about this GFE nonsense you see people posting about. Its just a myth. Mongering is really fun, so just take it for what it is. Don't expect to be anything like a real intimate relationship.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967] P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.[/QUOTE]Yep! Some of us like our women with a bit of color in them, and on the petite side. In addition, I'm tired of white girls. I started eyeing them when I was 12, now I'm 61. I find them unexciting, overfed and generally annoying. And yes, a trip to Brazil is in the cards for me.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263997]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.[/QUOTE]Every single FKK girl will DFK, BBBJ / CIM IF the price is right! That can't be said about every single Thai, Indo, Viet, and even Cambo girl. Romanians will do anything for cash. Top Romanian girls even go with guys who are 60+ and balding. However, with the new laws in Germany that came in to play a year and a half ago, few girls now offer DFK and BBBJ for a simple 50 euro session. They all want 100 euro now. CIM has always been 50 euro extra.

In my experience, DFK in Pattaya is quite standard for me. Spent nearly 2 hours with one of my favorite girls yesterday DFK, HJ, tons of lap dancing all for 2 lady drinks. I wasn't being cheap. I asked her several times if she wanted more drinks and she refused. Don't settle for less than DFK and lap dancing after buying a Thai girl a lady drink.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session.[/QUOTE]

Hungarians are the best. Possibility because I can speak Hungarian. If Hungarian, Polish, Czech, and German girls still dominated FKK clubs I would be living in Germany now rather than Thailand. Even though the Romanians can be gorgeous and some can provide GFE most imo are robotic sex toys. A Hungarian vs. a Romie is like comparing sex with a Soi 6 girl vs. a soapie girl. One is a sex machine the other has her mechanical moves.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263985]You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle. [/QUOTE]

DFK is standard at KC1 and KC2 not only for me but for all the guys I take there. Admittedly KC1 mileage has reduced since the renovations. It was pure raunch there only a year ago. Then again, did see a Thai guy eating out a girl last month. I'm in Bangkok for the next week. Line me if you want to head out to Thermae or some gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263985]I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar.[/QUOTE]

OK I thought it was just me who has almost stopped buying lady drinks for girls. Girls I used to buy 3 or 5 drinks for now get 0 or 2. Even had a Sapphire girl recently ask me if I lost my job because I am so cheap with her now! That made me laugh. Didn't bother explaining to her I stopped buying her drinks because I no longer get a HJ and DFK from her after buying her a drink.

Agree one of the biggest advantages of living in Thailand is you don't have to pay barfines. You can just wait to meet up with on their days off.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2263926]Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? [/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree with this but so many guys on ISG still believe they can get top girls by just opening their wallets. If you're older and think it's all about money try walking around with some young pups like Phazze and MP and see if you attract more cat calls from the girls than they receive.

I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.

Also, if anyone has any recent reports on Patpong gogo bars that would be great. Was in Patpong 2 weeks ago and it was rather disappointing but it was early in the week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264026]I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.[/QUOTE]On Soi Cowboy I like Baccara, believe it or not. They have a ton of girls and the ground floor "A" set of dancers has some attractive cuties. My 3rd favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018 works in Baccara. Her and her 3 girlfriends are young, sexy cute little spinners. Sadly, the rest of the Go Go's on Cowboy just don't do it for me anymore. Crazy House I guess is still worth a look see, but it has gone downhill since it's glory days when it was easily the # 1 Go Go in BKK. They need to find fresh new talent and soon.

In Nana: I like RB4 mainly because that's where I found my favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018. I call her my Atomic Blonde because 1) when we 1st met she was platinum blonde having just arrived in BKK from Japan where she had been living for a year, 2) she is a tigress in bed, and 3) I had just seen that silly Charlize Theron movie of the same name the previous night. A few weeks after we met, Atomic went back to her natural hair color, but still looks pretty good to me, although not as striking. 555. She is in Phuket right now, but I am looking forward to seeing her again in BKK in the spring.

I also like good old' Twister (2nd floor). It may have gone downhill a little since 2017, but I think they still have some sexy girls there. Anyway, I found a couple there to my liking. And lastly, I like Billboard. Who doesn't?

Patpong you know. Kings Castle 1 & 2 - great Go Go's.

My recommendations above are based on my girly preferences for young girls, cute faces, sexy, no fat bodies with natural breasts, friendly personalities and the subsequent results I achieved with them. Of the bars I mentioned above, Twister, Billboard, and Kings Castle have the best in bar hanky panky in that order. Baccara ground floor is very reserved. I would be somewhat surprised if you DFK a girl in there, at least on the ground floor. More can happen on the 2nd and 3rd floor, so move upstairs once you have found what you are looking for or just take her out of the bar. Crazy House is still really good for in Bar fooling around. And perhaps this is a little off topic, but I want to mention it anyway, hahaha, my favorite fooling around bars in the world are #1 Bottoms Bar on Burgos in Makati and #2 Malio Club in Jakarta. Oh brother, the things I have done in those bars with 1, 2, even 3 girls at a time. It amazes me.