Yes. Those would be the words. And they are not there.
[QUOTE=PhilipMarlow;2969561]I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.
Even this summary doesn't say it.
Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.
This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".
Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]All that stuff about "procuring / pursuading, taking, etc", "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public", "in a place of prostitution" and "associates with" doesn't cut it and can not even be proven.
Ok, if I walk up to any woman on the street, in a mall or in the cinema and ask her to come to my room to fuck for 1,000 baht or 10,000 baht, I could see that a nurse, school teacher, secretary, a judge or off-duty policeman or their girlfriend or wife who had no intention of ever engaging in prostitution and felt quite insulted by the question would, could and probably should lodge a complaint. So be careful about that. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong person.
Now, what if I ask her to come to my room to fuck with no mention of money at all? And if she says yes, after we fuck in my room I say, "Here's 2,000 baht to buy that purse I saw you checking out at the mall"? Or if that 2,000 baht topic came up as we entered my condo lobby before we fucked? Did anybody break the law here? Me, for making the offer, her, for saying "ok, thanks" or both if us? Imo, that is the round-about Thai way of saying just don't make it obvious to any bystanders, we are a holy kingdom.
They know such a legal concept can not be proven or enforced. There has never even been in the history of Thailand a "sting" operation complete with audio or video recording devices set up in order to bust someone for engaging in such a conversation and exchange. Nor has there been an idictment, trial and conviction for it for any political rival or national security threat personage for which the Kingdom would be motivated to bust and imprison for something, anything.
Are those Soi 6 bars now "places of prostitution and brothels"? I thought they were bars in the business of selling drinks, to party and meet new friends. Same with massage shops, gentleman's clubs and my hotel room. If the law defines and identifies those as "places of prostitution", they are going to have to explain why they were even open for business in order for people to "associate" with each other in them, whatever that means.
If there is a place of business that provides a line up of girls or boys, presents a menu of specific sex acts with a price next to each item and provides no other service such as massage, resting and relaxing, having a drink, karaoke singing or partying, then the cops might have a shot at rounding up everyone "associating" with people there and I might avoid entering it myself I suppose.
My hotel room or condo? She didn't "procure / pursuade or take" me anywhere to have sex for money nor vice versa. I wanted to show her the lovely etching in my room. Again, anything more than that is unprovable and unenforceable.
These Codes and Addendums are written in the typically Thai fashion where they hope it "looks" to someone not particularly detail-oriented that they are saying "Prostitution, the exchange of sex for money, between or among consenting adults, is illegal" when it really doesn't say any such thing and would take less than 10 clear and unambiguous words to say so.
Recruiters, not customers.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2969580]The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.
Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.
Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, [B]solicits[/B], induces, [B]Introduces herself or himself to[/B], follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or [B]commits such acts in any other place[/B], in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.
Section 6. Any person who assembles in a prostitution establishment for the benefit of prostituting himself or herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht or both. If the offense under paragraph one is committed while being forced or being under such power which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.
Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents, printed materials, or distribute by any means to the public in a manner indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand baht to forty thousand baht or to both.
[B]Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.[/B]
This covers public places, private places and bars and massage shops and so on. Section 7 would apply to Thai friendly as well, such as when the ladies write ST 1500 for example. Section 5 mentions or any other place so that would even include your home or condo. Section 9 is the blanket clause that puts the nail in there coffin for you. Procure means "buy".
You don't know so don't say. Read
This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.
Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, [b]in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public[/b], shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.[/QUOTE]The qualifier I highlighted has been on the books, well-inderstood and occasionally enforced for years. But it still doesn't say the act of exchanging sex for money between consenting adults is illegal.
[QUOTE][b]Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.[/b][/QUOTE]"PROCURES, seduces or takes", "within or outside the Kingdom" indicates that Section is clearly talking about pimps or mamasans recruiting girls to work as prostitutes somewhere, anywhere, in or outside of Thailand.
You can't really be saying that Section is referring to a customer and a working girl or boy agreeing lo have sex in a hotel room or condo. If so, then why did they mysteriously drop the word "solicits" in that Section, which would have eliminated the need to say anything about procuring, seducing or taking? I submit because they are talking about Recruiters, not customers. The words they use are speficially what Recruiters do when they have no intention of engaging in the exchange of sex for money with anyone, just intending to Recruit new girls.
In all your years purportedly involved in the legal profession in Thailand have you ever met someone who was busted for doing what I described between an ordinary customer and a prostitute and spent so much as a day in prison for it, much less a year? Have you even met someone who met someone who did such a thing?
