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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1786370]How many girls have you seen beaten up by their boyfriends because they didn't bring home enough money from the club? Broken ribs, black and blue bruises all over body and legs, not able to work for weeks? I've seen a few.

I'm not claiming my truth to be the only truth. But your posts are cynical.

HB.[/QUOTE]I hear, in most of the case, pimps are nice to their girls, they keep the girls happy to give "support safety net" well at least girls think it is support system and safety net.

I guess as hard environment the industry already is. Girls seek for some mental support like family, boyfriend or friend or whatever and for some girls, it is pimps they found.

It is bit like us monger, we found FKK as our support system of some kind for our lust. Whether one admit or not FKK or escort or buying sex act as support system for us mongers to feed our lust because so called normal ways are not enough for us.

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If you look at the statistical yearbooks of Switzerland, Germany and Austria there are more ex Yugoslavs, Serbs than Romanians in all those countries, and they have the legal right to work in those countries. In Austria and Switzerland there are particularly many times more Serbian girls than Romanian ones and the vast majority of this demographic group tend to hold menial jobs.

The point was that Romanian girls undeniably find it more culturally permissible to pursue this line of work than Serbs. Okay the Serbs were already here and are more established but that does not explain the lop sided ratios in FKKs, it will be 1 Serbian girl for every 100 Romanians.

[/QUOTE]DI, while I agree with you that culture plays a big part in Romanians willingness to be WGs, using Balkans who work menial jobs in the German-speaking countries is probably not the best reference point for your argument.

Balkans came to Germany as refugees so entirely families came over. Immigrant communities are tight knit, so a Balkan girl living in Germany for ten plus years would easily be recognizable to a thousand or more Bosnian men living in Germany. Working in a Hessen club 250 km from her adopted hometown is no guarantee that she won't run into someone who would know her. Nobody wants to be an embarrassment to their family and become the black sheep. Romanian FKK girls do not have this problem, because their entire family / social circle is outside of Germany. I'd venture to say that a lot of the FKK girls who were born or raised in Germany do not have a healthy relationship with their families (I. E. The heavily tattooed ones with silicones-not the freelancers that work two days a month).

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1786370]How many girls have you seen beaten up by their boyfriends because they didn't bring home enough money from the club? Broken ribs, black and blue bruises all over body and legs, not able to work for weeks? I've seen a few.

I'm not claiming my truth to be the only truth. But your posts are cynical.

HB.[/QUOTE]

The girls have less bruises on their body than the average housewife or college student. In fact they have none at all. Impeccable skins. No signs of bruises past or present, much less of broken bones. I should know because I sleep with the girls. I see their naked skins like no medical doctor can. (Of course, unlike some of you guys on this forum, I'm not invited to visit them in hospital when they get beaten up, LOL).

I recommend reading some of the articles written by a Rumanian woman by the name of Laura Augustin (her site is called "The Naked Anthropologist"). She campaigns against what she calls "the rescue industry" which ruins many girls' dreams of financing their studies or the building of a house in their home country.

Augustin's motto is: "I respect what people say about themselves". In other words if girls tell me about their husbands, their boyfriends or lack of them, the reasons they're doing sex-work, how much money they keep etc, I accept that. I don't replace their own description of themselves with other narratives.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1786452]DI, while I agree with you that culture plays a big part in Romanians willingness to be WGs, using Balkans who work menial jobs in the German-speaking countries is probably not the best reference point for your argument.

Balkans came to Germany as refugees so entirely families came over. Immigrant communities are tight knit, so a Balkan girl living in Germany for ten plus years would easily be recognizable to a thousand or more Bosnian men living in Germany. Working in a Hessen club 250 km from her adopted hometown is no guarantee that she won't run into someone who would know her. Nobody wants to be an embarrassment to their family and become the black sheep. Romanian FKK girls do not have this problem, because their entire family / social circle is outside of Germany. I'd venture to say that a lot of the FKK girls who were born or raised in Germany do not have a healthy relationship with their families (I. E. The heavily tattooed ones with silicones-not the freelancers that work two days a month).[/QUOTE]Look I think you are right on this, but that still doesn't explain why the ratio is so lop sided. So the Poles, Poland is richer than Romania but barely, about 20% more in purchasing power parity. It has 2 xs Romania's population and is right next to Germany. I won't use Bulgaria because it has one third if Romania's population. Poland is interesting to use because it has around the same levels of religiosity as Romania according to surveys and Bulgaria is far more secular than both.

Why is there 1 Pole for every 20 Romanians? The ratio should be about even considering the greater poverty levels in Romania. My ex was from the polish country side, so I know how poor it is, Romania is around 20% worse of.

I don't know how many of ISG readers have an extensive social science education, but I do. The over representation of Romanian girls is an enormous statistical anomaly.

I am not convinced by the theory that the Romanian mafia kept out the other girls, because I do see quite a few German girls and so on. Okay the RLDs in Amsterdam and Brussels are dominated by Bulgarians, in a RLD setting this maybe can be orchestrated, but there are so many FKKs all over the place, there is no way the Romanians could control enough of them.

On my last trip to Prague I started seeing Romanian girls working in clubs in Prague as well, Cabaret Atlas, Neon and sexy Sauna club. For me it is great since many czech girls are reluctant to do BBBJ but not the Romanians.

I think Romanian girls are gorgeous and generally know how to please, but I think the evidence is overwhelming that they find is more culturally permissible to prostitute themselves which I have no problem with since I try not to be a hypocrite.

But if anyone has an even rudimentary social science education or knows anything about statistics, then it is blindingly obvious that this over representation of Romanian girls is not explained by poverty and need.

[QUOTE=XXL;1786565]The girls have less bruises on their body than the average housewife. In fact they have none. Impeccable skin. No signs of bruises past or present, much less of broken bones. I sleep with the girls. I see them naked. I have, in fact, a closer look than any medical doctor can have.[/QUOTE]You never see blue on WG legs or arms or ass, when you fuck them? For my experiences, only a few don t have. My past GF never had blue on arms or body or ass, very rarely on legs when they banged, not were banged.

You are right with your social education, do you know why I drive so many kilometers each week end to visit many FKK? So obvious, because Romanian girls enjoy so much how I fuck them and send them to pleasure, so they pay me 50/30 minutes with extra 50 each time they come, so my good job pay entry, gas, autobahn, car, flat. All girls say me they do this job only for pleasure with me, they don t need money, because they are rich in Iasie or Sibiu, they have no pimp driving them in Mercedes. Only for pleasure when you are 20 , to be fucked all day by old fat smelling beer. FKK are pleasure land for WG.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1785757]I visited FKK Oceans last week (see report in relevant section of the forum) and was very impressed by the facilities. I know we go to clubs primarily for the girls but it is also nice to be pampered with great luxury in your surroundings.

My question then is which of the FKK clubs have the most luxurious facilities?[/QUOTE]Sakura for design, foods, rest room, but not the best casting.

[QUOTE=XXL;1786565]
Augustin's motto is: "I respect what people say about themselves". In other words if girls tell me about their husbands, their boyfriends or lack of them, the reasons they're doing sex-work, how much money they keep etc, I accept that. I don't replace their own description of themselves with other narratives.[/QUOTE]Yeah right. Just believe everything what they tell you about their personal life.

HB.

Its obvious the Romanian girls and their pimps beat up the others and force them away from the clubs.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1786640]Its obvious the Romanian girls and their pimps beat up the others and force them away from the clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't see the evidence of this, there are contingents of Hungarians and Bulgarians and Germans in many clubs, just not in the numbers to rival Romanians. Why would the girls and pimps not drive them away as well.

I know girls are very competitive and so on, but the biggest deterence to a girl seems her entry fee and little else, this is essentially how girls self select themselves out.

Then I would expect this scenario to emerge, that some clubs are totally Romanian dominated and some others, 40% are not. Instead we have a situation where something like 85 - 90% of clubs are Romanian dominated.

But might know quite a few things I don't, but the numbers don't add up. Instead it seems like the gang dominated clubs are the ones that are the most mixed ones with the most non Romanian girls, I am thinking of GT, from what I have read and Magnum from what I have seen.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1786640]Its obvious the Romanian girls and their pimps beat up the others and force them away from the clubs.[/QUOTE]That is, sorry to say so, bullshit.

HB.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1786567]

But if anyone has an even rudimentary social science education or knows anything about statistics, then it is blindingly obvious that this over representation of Romanian girls is not explained by poverty and need.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% that economics alone does not explain the lopsided ratios of Romanian WGs. Culture and recent history definitely factor into it.

Ceausescu implemented policies to encourage Romanians to have more babies in the 1960's-70's'. This created a generation of unwanted children, broken families and orphaned children. This lost generation would have been popping out babies in the early 1990's which would be the age bracket for all our favorite FKK girls. Perhaps that period engendered an openness to sex and a larger pool of misguided, easily influenceable young girls.

Materialism is prevalent in Romania like many former Communist nations. I would say that the Romanian culture and / or government policy encourages people to work overseas and remit payments back to the motherland. This is commonly seen in Asia as well. Indonesia has 4 x the population of the Philippines and is just as poor, but why is it that maids and nurses in Western and Middle East nations are disproportionately Filipino? Also my belief is migrant workers are under tremendous social pressure to flaunt their wealth--I. E. Keep fancy cars parked in their renovated village mansions so as to not to "lose face". Because why else would you uproot yourself, move to another country where you do not know the language if you have nothing to show for it?

Also because it is needed for their survival, Romanians are quite skilled at the "hustle". As Internet scammers, Romania is essentially the "Nigeria" of Europe. McAfee even lists Valcea, Romania as one of the most notorious cities for hackers. After all isn't prostituting simply a form of conning the customer so as to extract the maximum amount of money? Essentially both the conmen and the prostitute are selling an illusion so as to build trust.

Are these qualities unique to Romanian culture? Of course not. I'd say that Ukraine would probably give Romania a run for its money if it were part of the EU. That said I'd say economics accounts for 60-80% and culture accounts for the rest.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1786796]Agree 100% that economics alone does not explain the lopsided ratios of Romanian WGs. Culture and recent history definitely factor into it.

Ceausescu implemented policies to encourage Romanians to have more babies in the 1960's-70's'. This created a generation of unwanted children, broken families and orphaned children. This lost generation would have been popping out babies in the early 1990's which would be the age bracket for all our favorite FKK girls. Perhaps that period engendered an openness to sex and a larger pool of misguided, easily influenceable young girls.

Materialism is prevalent in Romania like many former Communist nations. I would say that the Romanian culture and / or government policy encourages people to work overseas and remit payments back to the motherland. This is commonly seen in Asia as well. Indonesia has 4 x the population of the Philippines and is just as poor, but why is it that maids and nurses in Western and Middle East nations are disproportionately Filipino? Also my belief is migrant workers are under tremendous social pressure to flaunt their wealth--I. E. Keep fancy cars parked in their renovated village mansions so as to not to "lose face"..[/QUOTE]I think there is no explanation to LU of FKK. I always wondered why Romanians or why Greeks who hold EU status do not come to FKK during crisis etc etc.

Bottom line is there is not set explanations.

I even find German girls who seems to be from not middle class, but lower end of middle class working in FKK because she want to live independent from her family home, so rent, water, gas she has to pay on her own, and also she want finer things as well, so see FKK as nice income spot.

FKK is a unique place. A lot of hidden drama on all parties who end up there including us mongers.

Sorry to interrupt, but people mentioned some clubs are gang dominated. Which ones would they be? Is Sharks or Oase one of them?

People also said sometimes gang members (pimps?) come into the clubs, and they can be identified by their appearance and tattoos. Is this accurate? I sometimes see guests who fit that description, but it is obviously tough to know if they would be pimps, and probably unfair to assume that anyone with a thick neck and lots of tattoos may be pimps and gang members. To be honest, they never bothered me, even at 3 AM in the bathrooms when there are 4 of them with me in the showers and no one else close by.

Has anyone ever faced a problem from gang member / pimps in the clubs? Physically or verbally? Tx.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1786892]Sorry to interrupt, but people mentioned some clubs are gang dominated. Which ones would they be? Is Sharks or Oase one of them?

People also said sometimes gang members (pimps?) come into the clubs, and they can be identified by their appearance and tattoos. Is this accurate? I sometimes see guests who fit that description, but it is obviously tough to know if they would be pimps, and probably unfair to assume that anyone with a thick neck and lots of tattoos may be pimps and gang members. To be honest, they never bothered me, even at 3 AM in the bathrooms when there are 4 of them with me in the showers and no one else close by.

Has anyone ever faced a problem from gang member / pimps in the clubs? Physically or verbally? Tx.[/QUOTE]Club is not dominated by gang members.

Some girls have string attached to pimps.

It is rare to see pimps in the club, but if you go everyday for let say 10 days, you may or may not come across one day.

You can tell as they do not look normal like: Steroid big guys, few of these guys, tattoo everywhere sometimes even on face etc. This is how I identify them and I am friend with some girls, so it comes up in some conversation, but it is taboo a bit for girls to mention some guys name in club even though pimps name is often tattooed on girls body LOL.

Why they often tattoo the girls with the name to claim property, I do not know, but I guess it is PIMP culture LOL.

Again FKK is very safe place and is not dominated by pimps, just some girls are. Colosseum was apparently, but they got busted.

We got to thanks pimps though as we benefited sexually with their girls.