Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2273785]Been to BKK about a dozen times over the last 20 years. Here are a few notes from a recent trip.

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.....[/QUOTE]Dude I enjoyed your trip report. From my experience it provided honest and actionable intel (even touching on the kinkier side of things) that is good for the veteran and newbie monger alike. My short list for next month is much the same:

Kinky: Eden Club, Sensual Massage Bangkok.

FS Massage: Tulip, Snow White.

Nana Plaza: Billboard, Butterflies (likely eye candy only).

Spur of the moment: Lower Suk FL / SW scene, Low-lee-tas.

Incall: Smocci.

Of course all subject to change, but that is to be expected in crazy Thailand.

SL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275034]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.[/QUOTE]Indeed, it is just a question of time before they become savy, and start finding better girls at lower prices. No one was born expert, we become one.

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2274977]T...I read your response with great interest. I quickly scanned through your last 200 posts, literally. I couldn't find a single report from you on these venues that offer those great performing university students for 1500 baht. I read the last 50 pages of the forum before I took my trip, and tried the places that were described as the best by someone...[/QUOTE]Nice work, reading the forum is the way to go. Over time, you will get the hang of it, know places, and start to have more fun. I went through that phase myself, and so did many other mongers. Think of it as the monger tuition. We all have to pay that, usually sooner rather than later.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2274862]Unfortunately the new money Chinamen, Japanese, Koreans, have bid prices to stratospheric levels.[/QUOTE]Funny you say that. A "Chinaman" introduced me to a 500 Baht brothel. A Japanese guy showed me a club where university students do me for 1500. All the Farang I know do is hang out with old stretched out baby mommas at overpriced go go and beer bars where the prices are much higher.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275034]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.[/QUOTE]I wonder if they will ever appreciate it. I see guys in their sixties with women approaching sixty. Terribly old, worn out, stretched, rude and foul mouthed to boot. And they are actually paying for this!

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2274977]Thanks for taking the time to read my report. I read your response with great interest. I quickly scanned through your last 200 posts, literally. I couldn't find a single report from you on these venues that offer those great performing university students for 1500 baht. I read the last 50 pages of the forum before I took my trip, and tried the places that were described as the best by someone. The entire point of this forum is helping your fellow man, correct? [/QUOTE]Here's what I said in the Chiang Mai forum. Applies here too.

"I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though. The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest. ".

I've literally seen prices go up 400 percent a year or two after a good place in Vietnam was mentioned on this website. At the same time the attractive women left and the level of service bottomed out. It's fucking depressing. So I won't be posting any hidden gems for some time. They're easy enough to find with research. After all, I found them and I am no local. But you will do better if you speak and read the language or at the very least get some local male friends. It's amazing the difference when you leave the tourist areas, and this is true throughout Asia.

[QUOTE] I have to say that the current Bangkok experience seems pretty disappointing[/QUOTE]Objectively, it is that way. And all signs say that is only going to get worse.

There is absolutely no motivation for the lineups, services or staff to improve in any of the tourist places in Thailand. They have already found that they can be fat and ugly, refuse even a covered blowjob, and be rude and unwashed, and still make more in thirty minutes with a farang then they would in a month at a local factory.

When you see how bad it is, look no further than your fellow Farang for the blame.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2274945]Recently reading more reports that BFs are 1000 and ST is now 3000 in the gogos, does this vary by venue, by girl, by who the client is? I've been told most girls want 3500, and the whole pay up front thing too at a couple different gogos, per my last reports here, but then I was also able to negotiate 2500ST (but ended up giving 3000 due to performance and GFE). BFs also sometimes 700 sometimes 1000?

As for Thermae, I always thought the standard for ST nowadays is 2500ST. I had a girl tell me the other day that the standard (after we did the session, we had not discussed price prior, just that it would be ST) was 3000, when I handed her 2500. She said she would accept without much fuss. Just a negotiating tactic?

As for hits and misses as discussed with the clubs, I'm at about a 50/50 with gogos (at about 50% or more premium over Thermae), and also 50/50 with Thermae. Usually disappointment is due to CBJ and also body. I will admit it's much harder to judge physique at Thermae given the environment and how covered up many are, and the fact that I don't like fake bolt-ONS so many of the larger breasted girls are out, and then with the smaller chested ones you can't tell if there's actually anything there.[/QUOTE]Ask them up front. They're hookers, not a prom date. When I foray with freelancers I pose the questions straight up: any kids? Any tattoos? Any plastic surgery? Usually you can see the latter, but still doesn't hurt to ask. If they have kids or big ugly tattoos, or claim they don't suck cock, I say thanks for your time and move on. You're paying for a service. Shop around.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275165]The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information.[/QUOTE]Fuck that shit! This site is for sharing.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275163]A Japanese guy showed me a club where university students do me for 1500. All the Farang I know do is hang out with old stretched out baby mommas at overpriced go go[/QUOTE]Obviously an exaggeration. Mostly old, baby mommas at go-go bars?

In the Cambodian forum, I am certain of your exaggeration BS. In this and other forums, I just suspect.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2275216]Fuck that shit! This site is for sharing.

Obviously an exaggeration. Mostly old, baby mommas at go-go bars?

In the Cambodian forum, I am certain of your exaggeration BS. In this and other forums, I just suspect.[/QUOTE]Hahaha.

Whatever gets you through the day man.

Exact locations have already been sent to trusted members by PM.

Enjoy the young flawless beauties of the go go bars.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2274966]What a refreshing post. Should be in posts of distinction. Could not agree more. I am amazed at what I see dudes with these days. The standards have gotten so low. And as looks and performance has degraded, prices have gone up. Astonishing what guys are paying for some of these unattractive gals.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I can't reply to your PM because your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275165]Here's what I said in the Chiang Mai forum. Applies here too.

"I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though. The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest. ".

I've literally seen prices go up 400 percent a year or two after a good place in Vietnam was mentioned on this website. At the same time the attractive women left and the level of service bottomed out. It's fucking depressing. So I won't be posting any hidden gems for some time. They're easy enough to find with research. After all, I found them and I am no local. But you will do better if you speak and read the language or at the very least get some local male friends. It's amazing the difference when you leave the tourist areas, and this is true throughout Asia.

Objectively, it is that way. And all signs say that is only going to get worse.

There is absolutely no motivation for the lineups, services or staff to improve in any of the tourist places in Thailand. They have already found that they can be fat and ugly, refuse even a covered blowjob, and be rude and unwashed, and still make more in thirty minutes with a farang then they would in a month at a local factory.

When you see how bad it is, look no further than your fellow Farang for the blame.[/QUOTE]Sad to admit, but this completely TRUE.

The moment a "gem" gets publicized. The doomsday clock has started. And now it dies / changes for the worst sooner rather than later.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275237]Thanks. I can't reply to your PM because your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. I've deleted some, so it should be ok now.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275166]Ask them up front. They're hookers, not a prom date. When I foray with freelancers I pose the questions straight up: any kids? Any tattoos? Any plastic surgery? Usually you can see the latter, but still doesn't hurt to ask. If they have kids or big ugly tattoos, or claim they don't suck cock, I say thanks for your time and move on. You're paying for a service. Shop around.[/QUOTE]You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim). The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.

That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices? I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.

Tired of the "1500 baht for university students" as if all students are hot. They're not. They're not even all students. The language barrier was a bit too great to even give a damn. But if talking to a girl just because she has the "university girl" label that you imagined gets you off then so be it. Lots of girls at "local's" bars / clubs are not even educated or go to university. And some of the ones who do go to school have money to not even be interested in FLing. You are left with a very small subsection of university or uneducated younger girl who may be interested in some extra cash. Generally this will lead to more frustration. This "university girls at the club only local's go to" isn't all that.

If you're a newbie, you're better off doing a variety of things to find out what works for you. Try a soapie, try a massage parlor, try a FL beer bar, try a gogo bar, try just walking up and down Sukhumvit, try online dating sites. If you're on a budget, well either a soapie or going for a nightly walk will be your best bet. You'll bound to find a few good looking ones. If you happen to match up with one and things go well, that's when you save her contact for future trips. Over time, you will have a nice contacts list.

It's not all doom and gloom. That's just ignorance. Can't make the claim of coming from a land of whales to then entering Thailand and claim now all the FLs or girls are fat, ugly, expensive. That makes no sense otherwise this forum would be empty. There are a number of lookers out there. Personally, I don't like a Thai girls look but even I can look past that and scale a Thai girls face from the good, bad, and just OK. Everything is more spread out now. If you're still stuck on sitting at just the beer bars and having a nice honey with you like 10 years ago, then you haven't adapted and will be stuck on 10 years ago.

Not saying it hasn't gotten worse. Agree that it's trending downward too. Price of the hotel & food are about the same as about 7 ish years ago but the price of the girls have gone up 2 to 5 times. A lot of that is self inflicted buy many mongers. Pretty much all from everywhere. But you can still find that nice 1500 to 2000 baht ST FL. It's really not horribly difficult. If you get out there early enough or just after the bars are closing, you have a great chance.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2275305]You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim).[/QUOTE]Just ask. Seriously. "Do you have any kids? Any tattoos?" It's not that tough. When you hire a plumber, don't you ask them some questions first?

[QUOTE] The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.[/QUOTE]In other words, you're fine with it. So don't worry then. Enjoy the CBJ.

[QUOTE]That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices? [/QUOTE]You can have sex with a university student with no tattoos, babies or stretch marks for between 1500 and 3000 Baht with little effort. So in my opinion, this is the fair price. For an older woman with a lot of mileage, tattoos, stretch marks, etc. , I would say a fair price is maybe 500-700 Baht. Believe it or not some will fuck you for that much. Yes even go go girls, if you get their LINE info and meet them in your condo during the day. But most probably won't do you for that much if you're a standard tourist. Because they don't have to. Because lots of farang will happily give them 3000,4000, 5000, or more, for 15 minutes of starfish activity. So I guess the fair price is "up to you".

[QUOTE]I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, bar fines are negotiable. The mama can change them if she wants to. Some people don't believe it, but it's true. Anyway, I last did a girl out of Nana last month. I paid 1880 Baht total. One lady drink, one bar fine, and 1000 for the girl. Repeated the next day in my room before she went to work for 1000. She has no baby damage, but unfortunately does have a tattoo over her tit.