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[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2595111]You are of course talking about native Indians right? Or do you mean nut job white folks who are almost all themselves born to immigrant ancestors?[/QUOTE]The people who were here at the founding of the nation and the years afterward who built it from nothing into the world's greatest nation. Long before the age of government gibsmedats and the fraudulent 1965 Immigration Bill when it became a welfare magnet for half the world's shithole grifters.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2595058]Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.
[URL]https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/[/URL]
Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.[/QUOTE]Care about what? There is nothing in Afghanistan worth caring about. You only care because it is another chapter in the long list of the US military cost ridiculous amounts of money to not achieve much. What have been the military successes since WW2? Grenada? Panama? The only thing the military is really good at is bilking the public for money.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595243]I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?
OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.
Nah, something's not right.[/QUOTE]Link from original quote: [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].
The only sources from that chart that I use are BBC and Bloomberg, occasionally Forbes but only if another source pointed me there. Any links from the other sources I never click on. I will sometimes but seldom watch an MSNBC investment show but never a news or opinion show.
GQP QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories is the "new improved GOP".
[URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matthew-taylor-coleman-charged-killing-kids-qanon-conspiracy_n_61151690e4b07b9118a80f84 [/URL]
QAnon, nut job, Matthew Taylor Coleman, 40, kills his two kids, according to federal officials he confesses, [b]"they were going to grow into monsters so he had to kill them." [/b]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595236]This is a surprise to no one:
[B]Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan[/B]
Aug. 20,2021.
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.
The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595312]Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.
The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.[/QUOTE]Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."
HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups on the economy and national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" where none exists produces; election wins for the side that creates colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.
At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.
And, no, I am not going to consider posting a photo of a transgender next to a photo of Biden to be a persuasive "Bothsider" argument about this event. Lol. But you apparently saw nothing "partisan hacky with no credibility" about that post.
If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595346]Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."
HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups economically and in terms of national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" produces; election wins for the side that produces colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.
At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.
If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595243]I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?
OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.
Nah, something's not right.[/QUOTE]If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at [B]why[/B] they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give [B]you[/B] the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.
But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE]Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:
We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr[/URL]
That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.
Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.
Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.
[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595143]After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.
[URL]https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/[/URL]
In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.
Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.
Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.[/QUOTE]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".
Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].
And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.[/QUOTE]These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.
As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa?[/QUOTE]This is the problem. BLM / antifa are permitted to burn, loot and destroy cities, causing billions of dollars of damage, attacking federal buildings and trying to burn down police precincts with people inside, and they face no consequences.
Leftwing democrat shithole city mayors refuse to allow the local cops to enforce the law; and on the rare occasion one of them does get arrested, they get sprung on bail immediately and then the far-left Soros-funded democrat the drops all charges.
Compare that to the 6 months and counting of cruel and unusual punishment in solitary confinement for people who committed no acts of violence, didn't burn, loot or attack anyone, but simply trespassed through an open door.
Antifa in particular is a well-funded, well-organised violent domestic terror group which operates across various states, but the FBI and other Washington swamp intelligence agencies refuse to do anything about it and its attacks. Instead, they create fake "plots" such as the Whitmer kidnap hoax, in which the majority of organizers who pushed the plan were feds.
Democrat shithole city cops and the FBI are both massively biased. The only hope that conserative heritage Americans have is to move to a red area of a red state, where the local sheriff is elected and therefore sane. Otherwise the mob will get to you eventually.
No wonder Harris wants to centralise control of all police in a federal system reporting to her. The day that that happens is the day American freedom dies. Conservative patriots must not allow it.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595371]Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:
We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr[/URL]
That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.
Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.
Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.[/QUOTE]This is just a collosal load of fallacious slippery slope, black and white Chicken Little horsehit. Trump exacerbated the pandemic, as he mimimized it for for his political asperations. But it was going to happen on a worldwide scale anyway. You do the leftward side, which is my side, no favors with these shrill gyrations, blaming him for the everything, that any halfway educated person can see through. And no Repulicans aren't to blame for all the recessions which you in your hysterics call "crashes. " That has been proven. Reasonable people just want the truth, which involves finding the strengths in all perspectives, and are tired off the partisan hyperbole. A Chicken Little like you is as much a part of the problem as the Trumpster Chicken Littles. Sad to say.
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope[/URL]
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white[/URL]
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2595358]You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. [/QUOTE]Right, if only it were true!
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595360]If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at [B]why[/B] they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give [B]you[/B] the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.
But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.[/QUOTE]I understand the purpose of that chart and MOSTLY agree with their distribution, but what possessed them to place hired guns like RT and Sputnik on the same level as CNN? And Fox above MSNBC? Of course, MSNBC is far from perfect, but they don't lie habitually like FOX. All I'm saying is that some items in that chart simply undermine their credibility.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".
Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].
And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?[/QUOTE]For the life of me, I don't get it how they can keep a straight face while parroting the party lime that Trump didn't incite the riot.
I mean, forget the legalities, but what could "fight like hell" have possibly meant? What else is it? Fight who? Fight how?
The Congress was certifying the election. The only way to fight it was to interrupt that certification.
Fight like hell or you won't have a country, he said.
How else could've they fought if not by stopping the certification? And how could've that been achieved other than by physically being there, inside?
Peaceful demonstration, my ass!
A peaceful demonstration wouldn't have had a chance to stop anything. The certification was in motion.
He said fight like hell, and they did, because fight like hell was exactly what he wanted.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595724]Right, if only it were true!
...[/QUOTE]Trump has not lost one of those 74,000,000 loony Repub votes. Not even after his January 6 Traitor Trump Insurrection And Attempted Overthrow of American Democracy Violent Cop-Attacking MAGA Rally. If anything, because of it.
If State level Repubs succeed in twisting and rigging the system by 2024 if not by 2022 in a way that every Repub candidate will "win" every election no matter what the actual vote is then Trump will declare his candidacy for 2024.
If not, Trump will most certainly continue to be the lord, savior and king-maker for the Republican Party. EVERY Repub that runs for the office, maybe every office, MUST prove himself/herself as much of a "Trump" as Trump ever was if not worse or there is no chance they will win the nomination in a primary.
LOL. As far as getting over someone who is supposedly done and gone goes, Trump's loony cult followers are still chanting "LOCK HER UP!" at Trump's personal bank account fund-raising rallies. Lol.