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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1787999]Sure is awful to be over saturated by one of the most beautiful nationalities in the world. If the club were full of Germans or Hungarians guys would be crying for some Romanians. It is what it is.
Have you ever visited a webcam site like myfreecams, cams, or livejasmin? It's basically Romanians with some Russians.[/QUOTE]I prefer Germans and Hungarians more LOL.
Some Ro is OK though.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1787999]Have you ever visited a webcam site like myfreecams, cams, or livejasmin? It's basically Romanians with some Russians.[/QUOTE]No I have not, but I would like to.
Could you send me Url?
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However, nowadays FKK LU do not follow political reasoning. [/QUOTE]It does. 99% EU girls.
In 2000 at Atlantis in Altenstadt there were less then 5 Romanian girls out of 100. Latin girls, Russian, Lithuanian, Hungarian, Polish, Czech, Thai, German, Estonian. So more variety in nationalities, not necessarily in looks. Not necessarily better service. 50€/100 DM for half an hour was the price, prices didn't change, but cost of living has. So it's less attractive to sell your body.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1788133]It does. 99% EU girls.
In 2000 at Atlantis in Altenstadt there were less then 5 Romanian girls out of 100. Latin girls, Russian, Lithuanian, Hungarian, Polish, Czech, Thai, German, Estonian. So more variety in nationalities, not necessarily in looks. Not necessarily better service. 50/100 DM for half an hour was the price, prices didn't change, but cost of living has. So it's less attractive to sell your body.
HB.[/QUOTE]Lucky you Mr HB.
Now we got 70% Romanians. I wonder why that is.
Oh, I would love Lithuanian and Estonian in FKK now, but it is highly unlikely.
It boggles my mind that the pricing has been 50€/30 min for at least 15 years. What other service industry would have tolerated no salary raise for 15 years?
Personally I would be more than happy to have 1-2 special clubs at 100/30 min IF it meant I would have the TOP looking girls and guaranteed exceptional service. However, likely would never happen in Germany when clubs get lambasted for increasing their entry fee by 5€ or increasing the 2nd 30 min for 50€ to match the other clubs.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1788198]However, likely would never happen in Germany when clubs get lambasted for increasing their entry fee by 5 [/QUOTE]I don't have any issue with Romanian or EE girls who are willing to work for 50 EUR /30 min.
When Sharks increased the Wednesday special from 45 to 50 EUR I was told that quite a few guys (special clientiele, no suprise) left because they were not willing to pay 50 instead of 45 EUR.
That's great, maybe in a few months Wednesday at Sharks will become an option again.
HB.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1788198]It boggles my mind that the pricing has been 50/30 min for at least 15 years. What other service industry would have tolerated no salary raise for 15 years?
Personally I would be more than happy to have 1-2 special clubs at 100/30 min IF it meant I would have the TOP looking girls and guaranteed exceptional service. However, likely would never happen in Germany when clubs get lambasted for increasing their entry fee by 5 or increasing the 2nd 30 min for 50 to match the other clubs.[/QUOTE]This is not the only area without pay rises, it is about supply and demand, and many girls are willing to do this for 50 Euros, of course they try to upsell and act indignant sometimes. On occasion, three times, I think I have had a girl complain that she shouldn't do a good job for the money provided, but she does choose to work for this rate and so do many other girls. You just have to be reasonably good looking, not super, to do this job, so there is a lot of competition.
I have spoken with many taxi drivers, who talk about how much more they used to make a decade ago, that they had so much money left over to pay for hookers and so on and now they just struggle to make ends meet.
This also happens in lucrative professions, for IT consultants in London, the rates have not gone up in over 10 years, around 550 - 600 pounds a day, despite the fact that there has been a lot of inflation during this period of time.
In Switzerland I have never had bad service and in all the clubs except the cheapest ones you have never heard of, the girls are on average in considerably better shape than the german clubs. So if you are willing you pay 100 Euros up, that is the place for you.
Club History - 105 CHF for 30 minutes, Club Palace in Luzern - 105 CHF for 30 minutes and of course the infamous Globe for 150. I have been to the Globe only 3 times and not in the last year, but I have never had non stellar service at the Globe.
By the way I agree with you, Romanians are one of the prettiest nationalities around.
So, if the clubs had mostly non Romanians a few years ago, where did they all go? Say, 10 years ago, you had 50 non Romanians and 5 Romanians in a club; now, you have 60 Romanians. The number of Romanians went up by 55. If the others stayed as is, the total number should have gone up, with of course Romanians becoming a majority now. But clubs are 80-90% Romanian now. Seems as if the onset of Romanians had the effect of shifting the non Romanians out of the clubs. Did the non Romanians go to other locations, or leave this profession altogether?
They left. For various reasons. Better than economic conditions in their home countries. Tighter controls in Germany for girls without working permits.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1788232]They left. For various reasons. Better than economic conditions in their home countries. Tighter controls in Germany for girls without working permits.
HB.[/QUOTE]Also: Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007. So it has become a lot easier for these girls to work in Germany. They are also far poorer then your Poland and the Czech Republic.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1788232]They left. For various reasons. Better than economic conditions in their home countries. Tighter controls in Germany for girls without working permits.
HB.[/QUOTE]I used to monger in Prague and Bratislava (Slovakia) a lot before I discovered the whole FKK setup. Actually in Prague, the cost is the same as Germany, in fact it is more. I am only talking about official clubs not privates, but Neon Club which is one of the cheaper options, costs 100 Euros an hour. It is something like 65 Euros before 20:00. So a working girl in Prague makes the same amount as in Germany and BBBJ is not standard at all. Some girls will do it for free and some for a small surcharge.
In Slovakia the usual rate in the clubs I have been to, which are no where as elaborate as the FKKs in Germany cost 120 Euros an hour. However a cut is taken from the money, instead of the girls paying entrance fees.
But they don't have to relocate with all the expenses involved and be away from home and so on. So since Germany is such a good deal, 50 Euros every 30 minutes, many girls probably don't relocate there for this reason. However in countries where prostitution venues are not legal, ie Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and so on, I don't know why they don't work in FKKs any longer.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1788201]I don't have any issue with Romanian or EE girls who are willing to work for 50 EUR /30 min.
When Sharks increased the Wednesday special from 45 to 50 EUR I was told that quite a few guys (special clientiele, no suprise) left because they were not willing to pay 50 instead of 45 EUR.
That's great, maybe in a few months Wednesday at Sharks will become an option again.
HB.[/QUOTE]I would pay let say 70 Euro for 30 min for secure good service, but since so many girls do not provide good service, keep it low as 50 or 60 and let monger negotiate like we do.
However, I never get why Artemis charge monger 10 Euro more than other clubs. It is not that the service is better. Why 60? Not 50? Beside Artemis being only big FKK in Berlin, I cannot find any other reason.
Wages haven't gone up.
From what I can gather German wages are laughably low compared to USA, UK ect.
Also I think for reasons those girl next door German hookers have shifted to high end customers. So the price has gone up.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1788539]Wages haven't gone up.
From what I can gather German wages are laughably low compared to USA, UK ect.[/QUOTE]Switzerland has highest wage around the region.
I got to say though 50 euro per pop is good price for me But I would not want that to go up because we mongers got to negotiate most of times, so better to negotiate with lowest price as possible right?
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1788539]Wages haven't gone up.
From what I can gather German wages are laughably low compared to USA, UK ect.[/QUOTE]I am actually curious and do not mean this at all in a confrontational manner, what do you base this on? Are you talking about low skilled or high skilled jobs?
In Europe, for high skilled jobs, the UK, Germany and Switzerland offer the highest wages. German taxes are high but wages are not low, at least this is what I think. I would be curious to know what you know on this subject matter.