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Thanks, Le Lion. Yeah the lady/ladies standing inside these places don't seem very friendly. They probably don't see many foreigners walking by here in north east Seoul where I live. I occasionally see a drunk middle age Korean man stumble out with a grin on his face. Maybe they are handjob places or assisted masturbation places? I assume they are for ladies past their prime who can't work in the other places.

I went to Miari yesterday afternoon for a session. I paid 100,000 for 2 shots and picked a nice slim girl with decent B-cups.

Anyway, after the first round she went for a shower. I waited almost 20 minutes for her to return and when she did she told me to be quiet. I asked her what was wrong and in our broken English/Korean exchange, she told me that there was a Korean man in the building, and he didn't like waygookins going there. I don't know if this man was a customer, or some kind of pimp.

She also said that he would call the police if he knew I was there. That part sounded like BS to me, but maybe he would have caused some kind of shit if he saw me.

So, this is just a warning for any foreigners thinking of going there.

Both at Miari and Cheyongyang ni (588). These Korean working girls really fear the Korean men, but I think it is because the men have an inferiority complex (or racism issues) and the girls just don't want to lose them as customers.

No problem: just pound/stroke in silence (stealth mode) until the drunk bastard leaves! It is a win-win situation, hehe! Really can't blame the girls since we are really only a small part of their customer base.

It reminds me of what the what the working girls in the Philippines call the Korean customers. "one, two, three men" (one minute of sex with a two inch dick and they pay three times more than they should, haha! ). Keep it in perspective!

Stroke on!

I have a question,

I went to Cool, got a girl, 'Connected' (as much as one can do when paying) and I asked her if she would come back to my house. After a while I convinced her to come to my place to drink wine. We agreed on a date, I gave her my phone number and we're supposed to meet.

If this happens (I'm not counting on it) what should I expect? I'm not really looking to date and start a relationship with this girl. I just want her to come back to my house so maybe we can do things that we can't do in the establishment. I made it obvious. I offered to pay her or just wine and dine her, but seriously, I want to get at it at the end of the night.

Has anyone else seen girls outside? Am I going to have to take this slow or if she's coming over, does she know what I want? She seemed to say, no sex, no kissing, just drink wine. And I am thinking, fuck that. .

What do you think?

[QUOTE=Sfinil]I have a question,

I went to Cool, got a girl, 'Connected' (as much as one can do when paying) and I asked her if she would come back to my house. After a while I convinced her to come to my place to drink wine. We agreed on a date, I gave her my phone number and we're supposed to meet.

If this happens (I'm not counting on it) what should I expect? I'm not really looking to date and start a relationship with this girl. I just want her to come back to my house so maybe we can do things that we can't do in the establishment. I made it obvious. I offered to pay her or just wine and dine her, but seriously, I want to get at it at the end of the night.

Has anyone else seen girls outside? Am I going to have to take this slow or if she's coming over, does she know what I want? She seemed to say, no sex, no kissing, just drink wine. And I am thinking, fuck that. .

What do you think?[/QUOTE]
I saw a girl from Belle a few times (weekend Christina) and I never ended up banging her. We just went to Outback Steakhouse and cafes and stuff to hang out and chat. In the end I think she was just using me to improve her English, since she was studying to be a flight attendant for Emirates. One "date" she even brought her listening homework and she was asking me questions about the vocabulary!

I guess what I'm saying is, don't expect sex. I mean, isn't that why they work at HJ places in the first place, because they don't want to give up the pussy? They could be making a lot more money working at a RLD if they went all the way I think.

Anyways, good luck, but if she breaks out her homework from YBM, don't say I didn't warn you!

[QUOTE]Has anyone else seen girls outside? Am I going to have to take this slow or if she's coming over, does she know what I want? She seemed to say, no sex, no kissing, just drink wine. And I am thinking, fuck that. .

What do you think?[/QUOTE]I think you already know the answer is, essentially, YMMV.

I see my most regular regular regularly on the "outside" (as well as on the "inside" of her club). On the inside, I pay full freight. On the outside I don't pay. Actually, that's not quite right since I usually foot the tab for dinner, theatre, film, hotel for the weekend, whatever, although she occasionally takes the initiative to pay too, e. G. , a mighty fine birthday dinner for me and another outstanding meal on the "anniversary" of our first meeting (on the inside), both accompanied by nice gifts and, later, even nicer GFE/PSE fucks of truly superlative quality. The pattern was set sometime early on in out "relationship".- after about our third or fourth meeting.- when the more or less simultaneous realization that we really clicked together sexually led. Particularly on her part. To an openness to treating the situation as more than just a simple commercial proposition. This rapidly led to my getting invited to her home and a level of "service" way above the norm, both on and off the job. These days, I reckon it's about 50% P4P and 50% "free" or her pay.

In any case, as my best friend, has said, I've found the proverbial *****/GF and am one lucky fuck, particularly as despite the intense connection she's not clingy. In fact has ocassionally arranged threesomes and/or other assignations for me when she's "busy".

Whether you'll find something similar depends entirely on the girl's attitude and yours. I like cultivating these sorts of liaisons and I've been fortunate enough to find a WG whose fancy I've managed to strike sufficiently to get somewhat special treatment, in no small part (I think) because I don't treat her just as a paid ejaculatory engineer/cum receptacle.

Seriously, f that. Don't waste your time.

You can pick up providers in Itaewon if that's your cup of tea.

[QUOTE=Sfinil]I have a question,

I went to Cool, got a girl, 'Connected' (as much as one can do when paying) and I asked her if she would come back to my house. After a while I convinced her to come to my place to drink wine. We agreed on a date, I gave her my phone number and we're supposed to meet.

If this happens (I'm not counting on it) what should I expect? I'm not really looking to date and start a relationship with this girl. I just want her to come back to my house so maybe we can do things that we can't do in the establishment. I made it obvious. I offered to pay her or just wine and dine her, but seriously, I want to get at it at the end of the night.

Has anyone else seen girls outside? Am I going to have to take this slow or if she's coming over, does she know what I want? She seemed to say, no sex, no kissing, just drink wine. And I am thinking, fuck that. .

What do you think?[/QUOTE]

Sfinil, good question. First, as you said, chances are that she won't call. If she does though, nothing to worry about, she wants you, so let her come. Now the problem is this: if she does like you, why haven't you banged her inside that HJ/massage place yet? It's technically 'forbidden', but I've done it in the past with several girls (not in Cool, never been there) so it's definitely possible.

Also, some advice to avoid getting stuck in an Outback steakhouse or coffee shop helping some useless girl with her Englishee: first, why on earth are you in a family restaurant with her? If she wants you, it's unnecessary, taking her to KFC for a coke would work just the same. If she doesn't want you, then how is taking her to Outback going to change anything? Dates + Restaurants are for real girlfriends, period. In my experience, a short evening meeting anywhere cheap is enough to evaluate the girl's intentions: don't rush, but make a move at some point and see how she reacts. Then follow your guts: if youre not feeling it, no second date. If she's receptive, or at least doesn't freak out, then you're in.

Yongsan rld is closed. I walked thru on Thursday evening and all the lights were out with LEO lounging around the entrances.

Ok, I have RTFFDOT (dozens of times) and I can't figure out where Belle is. I ended up at cool, but I have walked up and down as many streets as I can around the Prudential Building (And whoever said he just happened to see Belle as he was walking. You must have some pretty good eyes). Please, someone give directions from Gangnam Station. Seriously. I've been out twice with no luck.

BTW, I live across from Zest in Gangnam and go there every once in a while when it's too cold to take the bus to a RLD. There was a sign in Korean on the door and no answer. Could be closed for the night, or good. Not sure.

3 date rule in Korea.

If you aren't banging on the third date, move on.

[QUOTE=Seoul Food]3 date rule in Korea.

If you aren't banging on the third date, move on.[/QUOTE]

confirm -

By the way this 3 date rule isn't restricted to Korea. It’s almost a global rule across he globe, (not counting strict Moslem countries here, where you wouldn't even consider dating).

One more Korean common praxis/ experience, (more a hint also):

You should date in a way that some dating across the dating course takes place in your apartment, for whatever good reason you may have - be creative.

My common experience in Korea: if she is once in your apartment and door to outside world is closed, then you can almost bet 100% you will bang her.

Girls are time restricted here and live at home at her parents and rather rare will stay over night, but also have needs for sex, while still need to go home anyhow later.

This can create amazing effects for westerners inexperienced with Korean girls like: you may not even have kissed her during your being together during your dating, but it is not an exception that about 5 minutes after you entered the apartment you may both be out of the clothes and start banging already.
So don't run an over romantic strategy in the sense of western women approach.
Korean girls thinks this way: She agreed to come with and sex is definitely not excluded and also she has to go back home anyhow. So she doesn't want to waste too much time with chatting, drinking etc. So approach rather quickly then slow, when in your apartment.

When doing sex you can spend your time and when you take care of here while doing so and give her high attention you ma easily be the top guy in her life so far and she wants more and more and more as a result.

Please consider.

3 dates and no progress aren’t worth more dating. Recheck if you play over romantic.

Regards

Brain666

Sorry, didn't go through all reports on that subject before I wrote the last comment. So here some more comments.

@ Sfinil:
This is connected to what I wrote and experienced:
Most of the time a girl in Korea agreed to come to your room, she will be ready for sex at the end and kind of expecting it. If she wouldn't at all be interested, she wouldn't consider to come. So when she comes, then she is also most probably ready for sex. Previous talks are regarding coffe only (not sure if I understood correrctly) are just bullshit. You shouldn't discuss such things upfont.

Make the visit for her interesting and tell her you have a wine which you think fits to her. In such a case, I made best experience with a rose wine. A rose can create a good atmosphere, especially if you can tell some story why you think it fits to her.
You can also buy a piece of none heavy cake (e.g. there are some strwaberry cake snacks at Hyatt hotel Bakery) as another opener.

If atmosphere starts smoothly, it won't take long and you can move to the bedroom. Have a story in mind that you want to show her something in your appartment (which turns then out to be actually in the bedroom). There should be really something on display you can tell a funny/ interesting story about and around (don't foget to bring the glasses). I am sure it will work.

If she missunderstood your intention and doesn't want any contact when you start then approaching, then just forget it and let her go. Not worth to bother further then.

Key is really more, if she really will call you and confirms thd date (didn't you secure her phone number??, whats that for a strategy, korean girls easily give her phone number, that brings you in passive then active position).

As said: if she will come to you, you will most probably end up 'coming'.


@Ezinho:
3 dates and no progress isn't worth more efforts. You should work on your approach strategy! Dating in in Outback 1 time may be ok, but 3 times? As I mentioned before, you should plan the dating in a way, that this includes visiting your appartment for some reason, even if it is just to pick up your car key. Should have happened already the 2nd. time.

Give her a last chance and if you can't prepare her for beeing interested to visit your home for some reason, then its not worth any further effort. She will know that it is time to decide: fuck him or not, and you will know that when she is not interested to visit you, that time has come for you to move on and target next candidate.


Regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Fatboy 1980]I went to Miari yesterday afternoon for a session. I paid 100,000 for 2 shots and picked a nice slim girl with decent B-cups.

Anyway, after the first round she went for a shower. I waited almost 20 minutes for her to return and when she did she told me to be quiet. I asked her what was wrong and in our broken English/Korean exchange, she told me that there was a Korean man in the building, and he didn't like waygookins going there. I don't know if this man was a customer, or some kind of pimp.

She also said that he would call the police if he knew I was there. That part sounded like BS to me, but maybe he would have caused some kind of shit if he saw me.

So, this is just a warning for any foreigners thinking of going there.[/QUOTE]

This has happened to me so many times it does not even phase me anymore. Not that it ever did anyway, but it is unsettleing the first time.

One funny time in an An Ma, I was on my way out and the mama rushed me into a door and told me to lie down and be quiet. Funny part, this was were the girls were sleeping, so I suddenly found myself laying down in between three girls laying down watching TV. Two Koreans and one Filipina. The filipina smiled at me and we kind of had wispering conversation for a few minutes.

Reflecting back now, kinda weird these chicks just lay around in these tiny rooms waiting for some guy to come along and fuck them. Nice looking girl though. I always seem to get rushed in and out of these places though by some Korean who doesn't want anyone to see me. So do I really look that bad?? heheh

take care over there, getting laid over here is way too difficult.

oh yea, and the third date rule is worldwide

This might sound like a real newbie question, but is it risky to pay for services using a card? I was in Itaewon last night and I had no cash, so I used my bank card. If these places get busted, could it come back to me?