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[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595624]These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.

As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.[/QUOTE]As long as the former guy and the 74 million supporters of the former guy continue to lie and try to rewrite history, people will post facts that counter the lies. It is just that simple. And saying that the 82 million people who voted for Biden have trump derangement syndrome is ludicrous. Look up the definition of "cult" and then you [B]might[/B] understand why we say you have TCS (trump cult syndrome).

On the economic front, I have two (2) easy questions for you. 1. Did the former guy say that the stock market would decline if Biden was elected? 2. Has it? If so, you and he don't know much about the economy.

And by the way, didn't the former guy say that we'd never from him again if he lost? Guess he lied about that, too.

Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. —In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595236]This is a surprise to no one:

[B]Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan[/B]
Aug. 20,2021.
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595386]The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it [B]did not say[/B] was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also [B]did not say[/B] that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. [URL]https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance[/URL].

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?[/QUOTE]The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them.

Just like the "kidnap" case against Gretchen Whitmer aka the Grannyslayer: it turned out that *[B]the majority[/B]* - yes, not one or two, but THE MAJORITY. Of the people involved in that so-called plot were federal agents / informers, including the ones who were pushing it the hardest.

The FBI, which is sadly now a part of the politicised Washington swamp (as we saw from the Strzok / McCabe / Comey fiasco), is scrambling desperately to cover up the fact that it and other intelligence agencies planned the whole Jan 6 charade via dozens of agents / informants who are the unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators. But it is failing to do so.

As I said, all the serious charges have now been dropped; the guys languishing in jail for months are on charges of trespass. Why would the feds scour the country in their biggest operation ever to grab guys on trespass charges, yet allow dozens more to get away scot free?

The only answer is that they can't indict or name those guys, or even proceed in cases against others which would involve those guys, because they were working for the feds. Entrapment much?

So they are forced to admit that there was no plan, no "insurrection", and yet again the fake news narrative collapses. Just as it did with the Trump / Russia Mueller farce, Fentanyl Floyd, the fake Whitmer plot, covid hysteria, and most everything else they report.

The Washington swamp working in conjunction with the very fake news. A truly repulsive spectacle. The sooner we are out of it one way or another, the better.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595811]The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them..[/QUOTE]The January 6th insurrection wasn't a tourist visit, an aimless stroll or anything else.

Trumpers understand absolutely nothing about policing, especially under cover operations. You only understand policing when they are thumping the skulls of people you hate.

The only people who don't understand what I just wrote are looking at the world with their heads somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .[/QUOTE]Why not read the text of the former guy's "surrender agreement" with the Taliban. [URL]https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf[/URL].

Once you've read it, please point me to the section that forbade the Taliban from acquiring additional territory until after the Americans withdrew. Who knows, maybe I missed that part. Geez, even Neville Chamberlain negotiated better than that! [URL]https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/[/URL].

The simple facts are that trump got played by the Taliban.

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? [/QUOTE]Interesting choice of words.

I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.

I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.

Now allow me to return the favor.

The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.

If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!

Let us all know how it goes.

Tell me Chris, how much does it cost to attend the Kelly Ann Conway school of alternate facts?

[QUOTE=Travv;2595797]Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .[/QUOTE]The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted. Particularly with regard to refugees and asylum seekers and particularly regarding Muslims from Muslim countries. The backlog of requests, many no doubt legitimate, had skyrocketed to at least a million by January while most of the rats in the former guy's administration had long scurried off that sinking ship and there was no Peaceful Transition of Power in sight.

The violent Anti-America mob-leading deadbeat former guy left virtually everything in a sabotaged, scorched earth shambles that had to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And in the case of Afghans who worked for our side at a time of war whose visa requests from years prior had not even been looked at by the former guy's Team, now we know likely for ordinary racist reasons, those had to be vetted to make sure they really are on our side and not double agents putting in a few years and giving us false information all that time anyway. Which takes time and manpower, neither of which was applied to it by the former guy until the huge pile of crap the former guy produced and left behind was dumped at the feet of the incoming administration...while hundreds of thousands of our citizens were dying thanks to the cowardice and lies of the former guy and his middling economy at best was predictably crashing around our ears by then.

Let's just say ignoring what the former guy and his Team did to put us where we are and how many fires had to be put out by NO firefighters from his side for years much less at the transition is ridiculous.

This isn't like Reagan after Carter, Bush2 after Clinton or Trump after Obama where the incoming administration was sitting pretty for months coasting along on a path of Peace and Prosperity they inherited until they finally decided to stop riding ponies and playing golf and did something stupid to create their usual colossal Repub fuck ups.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2595887]The January 6th insurrection....[/QUOTE]You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.

Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?

These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.

That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.

At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2595943]Tell me Chris, how much does it costblabla[/QUOTE]How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?

How many fires were started in the Capitol?

How many firearms were found on protesters?

How many millions of dollars of damage was done?

How many governments were overthrown?

(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number).

The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/18/why-new-false-flag-conspiracy-theory-fbi-orchestra/[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/07/14/what-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-suspects-dont-want-jurors-hear/7954135002/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595991]How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?

How many fires were started in the Capitol?

How many firearms were found on protesters?

How many millions of dollars of damage was done?

How many governments were overthrown?

(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number).[/QUOTE][B]"How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"[/B]

About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/09/greg-kelly/newsmax-host-falsely-claims-only-one-person-died-c/[/URL] Quote from the previous article: "Two other law enforcement officers who were present at the Capitol have since died by suicide, and more than 100 officers were injured."

Why don't trumpers care about the LEOs? Evidently "back the blue" only occurs when police are thumping black skulls.

[B]"How many millions of dollars of damage was done?"[/B]

Every competent lawyer in the world (which eliminates trump's merry-morons) knows that you never ask a question unless you know the answer. A cardinal rule that you forgot. The "innocent tourists" caused at least $30 million in damages.

But you'll of course blame both the source (because Fux "News said they caused no damage) and the accuracy of the Capitol Architect (because he's just an architect). [URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/24/970977612/architect-of-the-capitol-outlines-30-million-in-damages-from-pro-trump-riot[/URL].

From the article above: "The cost of repairing damages from the attack on the USA Capitol and related security expenses have already topped $30 million and will keep rising, Architect of the Capitol J. Brett Blanton told lawmakers on Wednesday.

The events of Jan. 6, he said, were "difficult for the American people and extremely hard for all of us on campus to witness."

Blanton said that congressional appropriations committees have already approved a transfer request of $30 million to pay for expenses and extend a temporary perimeter fencing contract through March 31.

But more money will be needed, he added: "History teaches us that project costs for replacements and repairs beyond in-kind improvements across campus will be considerable and beyond the scope of the current budgetary environment."

The price tag will go even higher, Blanton told lawmakers on the House Appropriations Committee, if the fence and other security measures are needed beyond March.

In his prepared testimony, Blanton described how his employees tried to minimize the threat to the Capitol and lawmakers on Jan. 6, when thousands of former President Donald Trump's supporters breached security perimeters at the Capitol grounds. Many of them then engaged in a pitched battle with police and security personnel.

"{Architect of the Capitol} employees sheltered congressional staff in their shops to protect them from the roving mob," Blanton said, adding, "Other members of our team raced to the roof to reverse the airflows within the building to help clear the air of chemical irritants, like bear repellents and pepper spray, while more team members rushed bottles of water and eyewash stations to Capitol Police officers in need of assistance. ".

When the mob thronged the Capitol, the Architect of the Capitol's painters and artisans were laboring to complete the massive task of readying the campus to host a presidential inauguration.

"Over the course of a couple of hours, the hard work of our team was destroyed," Blanton said.

"The {inauguration} platform was wrecked. There was broken glass and other debris. Sound systems and photography equipment was damaged beyond repair or stolen. Two historic Olmsted lanterns were ripped from the ground, and the wet blue paint was tracked all over the historic stone balustrades and Capitol building hallways."

In the Capitol building complex, historical statues, murals and furniture were damaged, mainly from pepper spray accretions and residue from chemical irritants and fire extinguishers, requiring expert cleaning and conservation. Work crews covered gaping holes with plywood and cleared "a small mountain of debris left behind on the west and east fronts," Blanton said.

Blanton also said many lawmakers have asked his office about preserving mementos from the unprecedented violence wrought by USA Citizens on their own Capitol. While most damaged items had to be removed because of safety concerns, he said his staff preserved the panels of the historical Columbus Doors on the east front "for a potential presentation or display."

The brief insurrection brought catastrophe to what had already been a very busy tenure for Blanton, who was sworn in to his job in January 2020. Since then, the Capitol has hosted three lying-in-state or in-honor ceremonies, including for USA Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died after being injured in the riot.

The high-profile events have come as Blanton and his staff have worked to mitigate coronavirus risks through enhanced cleaning practices and providing protective equipment.

On Wednesday, Blanton said many people on his staff have not yet been vaccinated, despite continuing to work at the Capitol campus — work that has included the intense effort to repair damage from the riot and hold an inauguration.

"In fact, we've had a small distribution of COVID vaccines for my staff," Blanton said, replying to a question about the staff's health. He added that the group is following the safety protocols that were laid out when the coronavirus pandemic began last year.

Blanton also addressed the security failures that contributed to the USA Capitol being occupied by an angry mob that sought to block the certification of then-President-elect Joe Biden's victory over Trump.

"The events of January 6 were stark reminders that institutional biases, priorities and actions taken out of sync with actionable data resulted in poor decisions," he said. "If we do not learn from these mistakes, the campus will continue to remain vulnerable to unknown and unexpected threats."

Blanton also asked the committee for help in securing additional funds for a campuswide security assessment to prevent similar events in the future and to protect the Capitol and the people who work there."

But keep on believing in fairy tales. It suits you.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2595988]You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.

Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?

These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.

That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.

At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.[/QUOTE]The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/.[/URL].

See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?

And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: [URL]https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/.[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595939]Interesting choice of words.

I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.

I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.

Now allow me to return the favor.

The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.

If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!

Let us all know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2596312][B]"How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"[/B]

About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide.[/QUOTE]What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.

As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.

If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270[/URL]

Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:

[URL]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/[/URL]

Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?

And yet they can't and won't shut up about some unarmed people walking through open doors, hurting nobody and doing no damage, after the police stood aside and let them in. Almost as if the fake news media and Washington swamp are complicit in pushing bolshevism on America.