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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;1633290]I have been looking for our kind of massage place in Butuan. I have tried 5 different places both high class and low class and not gotten a hint of any action. Have had 5 really good massages so is not a total waste.

Any place for some massage action in Butuan?[/QUOTE]Don't know about massage, but around the plaza at night there's always a few mamasans hanging around.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1633507]Don't know about massage, but around the plaza at night there's always a few mamasans hanging around.[/QUOTE]Need nights for my 18 year old GF.

She is at school during the day and I just want a little variety once in a while.

Short trip there, May 2014.

[QUOTE=DoctorGg;1639528]Short trip there, may 2014.[/QUOTE]Still the same as of now.

AV.

Why do you feel the need to confirm what others report? I might understand if you added something, but you don't.

Thanks Doc G for the photos.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1640161]Still the same as of now.

AV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1640311]Why do you feel the need to confirm what others report? I might understand if you added something, but you don't.

Thanks Doc G for the photos.[/QUOTE]Confirmations are helpful. Also May was six fucking months ago. Talk about not adding something.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1640875]Confirmations are helpful. Also May was six fucking months ago. Talk about not adding something.[/QUOTE]My aren't we grouchy today. The guys bother to make an effort & you mock him? Ingrates.

AV.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1641052]My aren't we grouchy today. The guys bother to make an effort & you mock him? Ingrates.

AV.[/QUOTE]A little bit grouchy, a little bit drunk. Anyway, LOL.

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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1647009]From the US Department Of State, dated today. Boldface and italics are mine.

[B]Philippines Travel Warning, November 20, 2014[/B]:

The Department of State warns USA Citizens of the risks of travel to the Philippines, in particular to the Sulu Archipelago, the island of Mindanao, and the southern Sulu Sea area. This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning dated May 19,2014, and reflects continuing threats in those areas due to terrorist and insurgent activities..[/QUOTE]The Sulu Archipelago and the southern Sulu Sea area islands are areas no monger should go. Also Cotabato City, Maguindanao, North Cotabato, and Sultan Kudarat definitely don't go there. I have never even chatted a girl from any of those areas.

Mindanao is HUGE. The areas most of us will be drawn to based on the magnet of the girls. Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Butuan, Iligan are some of the nicest parts of the Phils. Camiguin is my favorite destination in all of the Phils.

The people of Mindanao are very welcoming, the beggar / scammer culture is much smaller, the foriegner price gouge shit virtually non existant compared to Manila and AC. You will get the best values in all of the Phils in Mindanao. If you have a Caucasian face, yeah you will hear 'hey joe' but its in a friendly way.

If you are traveling outside of those cities I mentioned in public transport, buses, for example, in the eastern and southern portions of Mindanao, there is a tiny but real risk I suppose that you could become famous for all the wrong reasons as some political victim.

Most of Mindanao is a gem of the Phils.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1647034]Redirected from Manila section.

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Most of Mindanao is a gem of the Phils.[/QUOTE]Concur. The places you mentioned in north and northeast mindanao are relatively safe.

Every few months the US State Dept updates its Philippines travel warning, and I quoted it almost in its entirety, on purpose. I was posting it for several board members who have never visited phils, but have recently been in touch via PM, who have mentioned a desire to travel particularly to Zamboanga to meet a dating site girl. Probably its best for inexperienced gents to not travel to mindanao at all on a first trip. Better advice is to bring the pinay to him in Manila, Cebu, or wherever he resides. In fact, there are plenty of girls in those locations to choose from, having provincial girls is something that can be saved for later trips. Newb gringos traveling to Zambo is not smart.

Sometimes we read of an experienced guy going on a motorcycle tour of mindanao for a month or more, and having a great time. This becomes romanticized in people's minds, and its not smart to recommend that newbs go to those places or do those things.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1647082]
Sometimes we read of an experienced guy going on a motorcycle tour of mindanao for a month or more, and having a great time. This becomes romanticized in people's minds, and its not smart to recommend that newbs go to those places or do those things.[/QUOTE]Ya, I did a 3 month motorcycle tour of Mindanao. I was a great way to meet allot of nice people and allot of nice girls. It was a great way to see allot of beautiful places, and have a great time. But it wasn't the best way to get allot of new pussy. I did get some, but the top shelf stuff was just a bit out of reach.

The bigger cities all have their small scene, Butuan, San Francisco, and especially Surigao, down by the passenger ferry terminal for example. But it's not like these province girls are sitting around waiting for some Western rock star to come shag them silly. I think I did a few searches on DIA, but didn't find much. I should have renewed my FC membership.

One time I was sitting on a wall and a bunch of school girls were hanging around. One would get a little closer and closer. It reminded me of feeding racoons. When they finally decided they could trust me, the whole group gathered around. I got a couple new text mates.

Another time I stumbled across a small university along the coast near Nasipit. There were 8 brown beauties sitting around at one of those hamburger dumps. I parked and walked past them without looking and pretended like I was going to order. I decided I wasn't that hungry (ya, right) so I turned around and walked past them again and said Hello. After a few words they invited me to sit down. After a while they were all screaming when I said I was single. They all offered up their best friend siting immediately next to her. Pretty soon the boys started to gather around. Pretty soon there were probably 60 kids gathered around, there was no more air, and it was so loud we couldn't even talk anymore. I gave them my number and split. Got a few more text mates.

Or course these young ladies are "busy focusing on their studies" and would never think seriously of airing that hot stuff out for some passing foreigner. They don't even think seriously of having a boyfriend. Because in their world boyfriend = pregnant = baby too soon = father kills her. It's like it's in their DNA. Jesus Christ is the Lord God my Savoir. Sunday is wash day. I focus on my studies, I graduate, get a husband, have babies and grow old and plump together.

Ya, it can be dangerous. I didn't go into known trouble spots, but not just everything on the road, but the road itself is trying to kill you allot of the time. Or there is no road where Google Map shows there is. And you're in some place where if you get a flat, you're sleeping in a bamboo shack. And don't expect many good restaurants, even in those bigger cities. So I can relate to what WC said about it becoming romanticized in people's minds. There are exceptions of course, this is just my experience, and everyone's mileage is going to vary. Again Mindanao girls are very conservative for the most part. Without a little help or allot of patience, lining them up and knocking them back will prove to be quite testing. For this post, I counted my text messages over the past several months that I haven't deleted. The count is 845. And they're mostly from Davao and Mindanao. In the end, after all that, I only have 2 that I'm currently banging.

I've done a lot of traveling around much of Mindanao. Covered the east coast from General Santos in the south to Davao and on to Surigao in the north, all across the north coast to Butuan, Camaguin Island, CDO, and to Dapitan / Dipolog on the west coast. Zamboanga Del Sur to Pagadian. Sometimes by V Hire vans, packed in like sardines, but mostly by air con bus. Avoided all of the Muslim hot spots. Met many hospitable people. Often amazed to see a white guy traveling alone. "Sir, aren't you afraid? It's dangerous here. " Always delighted when I answered, "I feel safer here than in Manila. " Met a number of lovely girls via DIA and PinaLove. Always took the time to build an online relationship before arriving. Took every opportunity to stay in nice beach resorts and brought bikinis and sarongs for my adventurous girlfriends. I would caution newbies to not come unless they are seasoned travelers. My main advice would pertain to every place and everyone traveling off the beaten track: Be respectful, be friendly, be careful, stay sober and keep a low profile.

Great post Sam. My Mindanao experience is limited to Davao. I had been chatting with this 19-year old from Mangagoy (part of Bislig) for a few months back in 2005, and traveled to Davao to meet her. She met me in the airport, and less than an hour later we were showering together in my hotel room before a session. We decided to go to Samal Island a couple days later and she didn't have a swimsuit, so we stopped at Gaisano Mall to buy one for her. We were in the department store there, and she took three swimsuits into the dressing rooms to try on. In the 5-10 minutes she was in there, three cute dept store employees approached me and asked if she was my GF. I said no, we just met in person, she has been my penpal. All three girls then gave me their cp numbers. I love the Philippines! LOL

[QUOTE=RubioTonto;1647368]We were in the department store there, and she took three swimsuits into the dressing rooms to try on. In the 5-10 minutes she was in there, three cute dept store employees approached me and asked if she was my GF. I said no, we just met in person, she has been my penpal. All three girls then gave me their cp numbers. I love the Philippines! LOL[/QUOTE]Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, ain't it? On that same day, its quite possible that not a single gal would have spoken to you (even if they wanted to). Amazing place, isn't it?

The most important thing to remember if you have safety fears in Mindanao is that the disaffected 'Muslim extremists' who the worried posters are obliquely referring to in their concerns of Mindanao in general, do not have any quarter in the cities proper.

We all hear figures of Mindanao being x percentage Muslim 20,30, 40%. People might think they are entering the Phils version of Saudi. Its not like that at all. The fact is that the major and medium sized cities have very little Muslim power presence other than Halal eateries, Most of the Muslims who reside in Mindanao are poor and in the 'mountains'. Their grievances are probably as much rooted in poverty as the are religion.

Sure they have clannish strongholds like that lawless Maguindanao area where they murdered all those journalists. But your pursuit of pussy will never take you there.

Even in Iligan the place I have spent the most time over the past decade, as part of the western 'Muslim' areas, its supposed to be dangerous. Its not. Mind you I have only spent time in the city proper. Once I got caught with my old GF in her small nursing college town somewhere west of there, near Pagadian, I am not sure. I had to take a bus to get back and they said some foreigner got killed last week. That made me a little disconcerted but anyway I survived no problems.

Even in Zamboanga I would have no reservations to fly there and stay in the city. It by all accounts is a relatively advanced city with a rich history. Would I take a local bus into the countryside wearing a GWBush t-shirt? No. But I want to visit Zamboanga if I find a real local girl to meet but I never have for whatever reason.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1647413] But I want to visit Zamboanga if I find a real local girl to meet but I never have for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]Roll Aides had this to say about Zamboanga.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1596234]I passed through Zamboanga about a year ago for an exit visa run to Malaysia. I highly advise avoiding the shit out of that place. I had been in the country a while, I felt I knew the ropes, I had a Filipina with me, I did my research online. I thought I knew what I was doing. It was a serious mistake. The people there are hostile in various shades from open to veiled, even to other Filipinos who are not from that region. Not everyone we met, but enough to make it quite an unpleasant trip.

When I got back from Sandakan, I stayed one night at the the Filipina's relatives. We left the next morning. After I got back to Negros, she gets a text from the relatives that there are some guys at their house who want to "interview" the foreigner. Thank my lucky stars that we didn't stay an extra night. I would have been cat meat. Oh yeah, and then a few months later there was the attempted rebel coup where they shot the shit out of everything. Glad I missed that too.

Stay the fuck way from that place, if you value your life. There's plenty of locations to enjoy hot girls in the Philippines, even in Mindanao, without mortally endangering oneself.

If you have to go to Zamboanga, the advice I can give is this: Pre-book your travel and stay at the most expensive hotel you can find. Don't go anywhere else. Keep a low profile. As soon as you finish your business, get the fuck out. If you go there for mongering, you are out of your mind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pantot;1647413]The most important thing to remember if you have safety fears in Mindanao is that the disaffected 'Muslim extremists' who the worried posters are obliquely referring to in their concerns of Mindanao in general, do not have any quarter in the cities proper.

We all hear figures of Mindanao being x percentage Muslim 20,30, 40%. People might think they are entering the Phils version of Saudi. Its not like that at all. The fact is that the major and medium sized cities have very little Muslim power presence other than Halal eateries, Most of the Muslims who reside in Mindanao are poor and in the 'mountains'. Their grievances are probably as much rooted in poverty as the are religion.

Sure they have clannish strongholds like that lawless Maguindanao area where they murdered all those journalists. But your pursuit of pussy will never take you there.

Even in Iligan the place I have spent the most time over the past decade, as part of the western 'Muslim' areas, its supposed to be dangerous. Its not. Mind you I have only spent time in the city proper. Once I got caught with my old GF in her small nursing college town somewhere west of there, near Pagadian, I am not sure. I had to take a bus to get back and they said some foreigner got killed last week. That made me a little disconcerted but anyway I survived no problems.

Even in Zamboanga I would have no reservations to fly there and stay in the city. It by all accounts is a relatively advanced city with a rich history. Would I take a local bus into the countryside wearing a GWBush t-shirt? No. But I want to visit Zamboanga if I find a real local girl to meet but I never have for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]"I survived" therefore it is safe. Common mistake made by kidnap wannabe's. Your advice is so very dangerously wrong. I've sat barricaded in a house while armed guys rummaged around outside "looking for the foreigner". The illusion of safety is easy to create in our minds. Do not advise guys to go there.

AV.

[QUOTE=Questor55;1647335]I've done a lot of traveling around much of Mindanao. ........... I would caution newbies to not come unless they are seasoned travelers. My main advice would pertain to every place and everyone traveling off the beaten track: Be respectful, be friendly, be careful, stay sober and keep a low profile.[/QUOTE]Some really great advice here below by Questor and also by Sam, Pantot, WestCoast and RollAides.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1647413]The most important thing to remember if you have safety fears in Mindanao is that the disaffected 'Muslim extremists' who the worried posters are obliquely referring to in their concerns of Mindanao in general, do not have any quarter in the cities proper. {S N I P}
Most of the Muslims who reside in Mindanao are poor and in the 'mountains'. {S N I P}
Sure they have clannish strongholds like that lawless Maguindanao area where they murdered all those journalists.{S N I P}
Even in Zamboanga I would have no reservations to fly there and stay in the city. {S N I P} [/QUOTE]I too have spent a lot of time in Mindanao. In my opinion, Iligan is not part of the 'western muslim areas' and is totally different to city of Zamboanga. However, a friend of mine narrowly escaped being kidnapped in Iligan (it was not known who the would-be kidnappers were aligned with).

I have spent a lot of time in Dipolog and Dapitan in Zamboanga del Norte province (which is even more west than Iligan). Muslims are not highly visible in those towns, but there is still some danger, so caution is prudent. One of my in-laws was a police officer in Dipolog, so we had access to reasonable intel.

The muslim rebels have extensive networks of spies, informers, supporters and sympathisers in Zamboanga City. And many of the so-called rebels actually just want to get rich through kidnappings and subsequent ransom payments.

BTW most of the people in the mountain areas were neither Catholic nor Muslim, but had animist beliefs. And many people who refused to convert to Islam escaped to the mountains. There are only a few pockets of muslim rebels in the mountains. And I think that the reference to the Maguindanao massacre is an irrelevancy (it could have happened in many places in PI).

I have travelled extensively (through my profession) to many dangerous parts of the world. I have narrowly escaped a serious problem just outside Islamabad, witnessed atrocities and robberies near Port Moresby and Mt Hagen, worked in Mosul during a period of major bombings, and witnessed a 2 hour gun battle between police and gangsters on a major highway outside Caracas.

[B]But in my opinion, Zamboanga City is an order of magnitude more dangerous than any of these places for a lone individual westerner.[/B] There is a very high probability that one will not leave the city voluntarily if one stays for more than 2 days.

Just my opinion (and I don't really care if anyone chooses to travel to go to Zamboanga).

[QUOTE=Amavida;1647471]"I survived" therefore it is safe. Common mistake made by kidnap wannabe's. Your advice is so very dangerously wrong. I've sat barricaded in a house while armed guys rummaged around outside "looking for the foreigner". The illusion of safety is easy to create in our minds. Do not advise guys to go there.

AV.[/QUOTE]I wasn't saying that at all. It was a mistake to take the bus. My point was to stay in the cities and avoid travel in inter city public transport in the countryside anywhere west of CDO. Sorry if I was ambiguous. I wouldn't do it again. I always took a private car or van from CDO to and from Iligan Pagadian etc. One time I noted I got stuck and wasn't comfortable. If I'm not comfortable in any situation I avoid repeating it. Its not advice for others to do it.

Also to be clear I rarely try to pick up girls or go to girlie bars anywhere outside of Angeles. In all my trips to Mindanao there was only 1 night I got caught in CDO with no pre arranged girl and I snagged a forgettable runner from a dive bar. Angeles bar pricing and selection have completely spoiled me from trolling anywhere else even Metro Manila. I am in country for short 2 week bursts and my days as a PUA are long past. I don't have the time or patience for it anymore.

Sorry if anyone inferred I was advising mongers to go to Zamboanga. I think I repeatedly said that one was safest in the city in any part of western Mindanao. I even used the term city proper. Staying with a girls family anywhere in the Phils, well you better know the girl really well and girls don't live in the city proper. I like to maintain control of my situation. And jealous relatives and neighbors anywhere could cause a problem not just in Muslim populated areas.

The Muslims are not only in the mountains and the mountains are not only for Muslims. What I was referring to was institutional and effective control of the area. You see Halal eateries all over Western Mindanao. The Maguindinao massacre could have occurred in other small clannish towns for sure, but not in the places that would qualify as cities.

Is Mindanao Mayberry? No. But I can say I have felt far less safe in parts of Manila and Angeles from petty street criminals than I have in the cities of Mindanao.

Again I never said I have visited Zamboanga, Never advised anyone to go there. Only said I am curious to go there given the right circumstances which haven't arisen and may never arise. The further you go west and south of Cagayan de Oro the relative safety due to the boldness of you becoming victim due to Muslim unrest increases. I would not take a public intercity bus again anywhere west and south of CDO. Like I said I did so once and was not comfortable. If I was not clear that it was a mistake and not an encouragement for others to do the same I apologize for my lack of clarity.

I've lived and worked in the conflict areas of Mindanao for more than ten years, and anyone who believes that one should have no qualms about going to Zamboanga and just hanging out is either recklessly foolish, not very bright, or woefully uninformed. Ikksman is 100% correct in his assessment: the Abu Sayyaf and other KFR groups maintain excellent spy networks in the city, and they focus on the hotels such as the Garden Orchid and Lantaca where foreigners are most likely to stay. Further, there are no taxis in the city, so jeepneys and trikes are the only readily available options, and neither offers any concealment. The proximity of the city to the jungles of Basilan offers a varied assortment of bandits and insurgents ready access to impenetrable concealment, and the fact that the armed forces and several politicians are widely thought to share in the ransoms further exacerbates a highly unstable situation.

For several years I was privy to a fairly steady stream of intelligence information on the presence, activities and locations of these groups and I can assure everyone who reads this that the travel advisories from various embassies are well founded. Add to this the fact that Zamboanga is pretty much of an uninteresting hole, and there's little or no reason to contemplate going there.

GE.

If I ever do bite the dust one day in the province, it likely won't be at the hands of some angry Mohammed. It will be something much more mundane.

The many dangerous modes of transport would be my bet. The safest seem to be the Supercats provided the weather is nice and they are not overcrowded, which I have yet to encounter. If the weather is bad I'm not getting on any watercraft over there. Once I was taking an Asian Spirit flight from Manila to Calbayog and the pilot announced about 30 minutes into the flight that we had to turn around to some unspecified mechanical issue. I was happy to get back on the ground on that aborted plane ride. But didn't hear about any ones falling out of the sky lately so that's encouraging.

The worst are the ubiquitous late model white minivans scattered everywhere. Many a time I have had to tell the driver to slow down or let me out at the next town. The better the vehicle the more fast they will drive it. I am waiting for a blind hill with a stray carabo just over the apex and the 130+ kph missle will have no out but to kill us all. A close second is the buses, again the newer ones appear to be safer but it just encourages the driver to get to unsafe speeds.

I snapped this foto of a Rorobus last December south of Puerto Princessa we chose the other more rickety one White Rabbit or something I forgot. The pic was snapped out the bus window as we passed by. Supposedly no one was killed in this one but I am not certain.

A reality check and a caution to those of us who travel through Mindanao. 10 killed and over 30 injured when a Rural Transit bus was bombed in Bukidnon Valley, close to CDO. May have been extortion, may have been Muslim insurgents, maybe both in the same package. Local military commander uttering predictable inanities suggesting that they don't have a clue and probably never will. Be careful out there, guys, and bring your lucky rabbit's foot.

I am in Boracay and will be here for two weeks and below are a few observations.

There are plenty of women and young girls in Boracay looking for action, contrary to some reports I have read about this island. However, many appear to have a mercenary character and these FL's appear older than their years based on my conversations with them. A remarkable number of them speak poor English. I suppose the poor English puts them on even keel when conversing with the Koreans here.

Tonight I went to Cocomungas. Originally, I thought this club / disco was located right on the beach and walked by several times during the day and night only to find it empty. However, the main branch is opposite the beach bar and located directly off the main drag, after passing the center of town heading south, on the right hand side of road. The club was full with FL's and with a rare Japanese / Korean or Caucasian girl who stumbled in without realizing what the main business plan is here. Most of the girls are fairly attractive if you are into the 45 kilo petite type and many are between 18-25 with a few MILF's tossed in. Did not see any LB's, which is good as the place is dark and that could get confusing.

However, they can be very aggressive. I always look for shy girls hanging in the corner but here that type does not seem to exist. There appear to be a lot of hard core pros too. As an example, they start quoting prices almost immediately and virtually all of them ask if I wanted two girls. This seems to be the trend these days wherever I travel and monger. As someone recently advised me, 'you pay twice as much and they work half as much'. I told a few girls that unless there was lesbian action that I was uninterested, which generally redirected the conversation. One girl quoted me 4k and I started laughing. Unclear if that was ST or LT but get the sense there are a lot of runners here anyway so I would not take a LT commitment to bank unless the hour was late. Later she quoted me 3 k for each girl finally coming down to $2k only for her even though I was not even participating in the negotiation as I was not interested. Pretty funny. I just walked away.

I also saw a girl at the club who I spoke to the night before. She was a hot little trumpet and quoted me $1500 for ST and $5k for LT and made a face when I asked about LT. I more or less agreed to ST and we started walking to my place but after a few paces, I asked her if she liked to kiss. She said no that was not her thing. I stopped and said sorry, it is MY thing so I am not going with you. She was a bit nonplussed by my reversal. Tonight, I saw her at Cocomungas and she barely looked at me once she recalled our conversation. I think she was initially trying to remember where we met because she was flirting with me originally. LOL.

One other thing. I am surprised how poor some of these girls comprehend and speak English. The girl who was trying to conduct the one-sided negotiations with me could not understand virtually anything I said to her and she was from Kalibo where the international airport is located that services Boracay. I kept telling her I was not ready to leave with anyone but she continued to blab on and on about her various pricing options. Finally, she asked me to speak slower.

I could return to the disco tonight as prices will probably start coming down to more reasonable levels as the night wears on. The issue for me is whether these girls provide good service regardless of the price. With the full on pro attitude being exhibited, I am doubtful of finding any GFE here. Hope I am wrong but that is my sense of Boracay so far.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1659219]I am in Boracay and will be here for two weeks and below are a few observations.
.[/QUOTE]Hi Tom I'll be in Boracay around Jan 5th, if you want to meet up. Sorry posting here. Your private mail box appears to be full. Cheers.

One other thing to note about Boracay is there are many LB's hanging around Station 1, most prominently in the the area that stretches from the Epic restuarant and night club to Starbucks. They generally hang back in under the trees in the darkness but there are some attractive ones who can easily deceive. Below is a case in point.

To wit: a few nights ago, I was near Epic restuarant and club and saw a taller Chinese looking girl pass by a few times with her girl friend, also with a Chinese appearance. They were dressed like many of the Chinese tourists here with a proper dress and walking with poise. After passing a couple times, I caught her eye and engaged her in conversation but was somewhat disappointed to discover she was part Chinese and part Filipina and claimed to hail from Cebu. She explained that was the reason for her height when compared to other Filipinas.

Nevertheless, just to be absolutely certain, I asked her twice if she was a LB and she feigned disappointment and adamantly said no, that she was not a LB and seemed offended. We struck a deal for $2000 for the night, if I wished her to stay that long, and returned to my apartment. When we arrived, she asked to be paid in advance but I refused. She seemed quite nervous and her jittery behavior made me think that perhaps she was lying to me about her gender status. So I asked her to show me her unit. She reluctantly removed her panties keeping her legs crossed so never got to the essence. The weird thing was she had two pairs of panties on which really sent the alarms off. However, she also had a scar below her stomach that she said was a the result of a see-section temporarily assuaging my suspiscions.

She then offered to begin with a massage and I agreed but after about five minutes, she said she could not have sex as she had a baby a short time ago and was too sore. She offered a he and / or BJ instead. I promptly got up off the bed and asked her to leave. Whereupon she sulked off to the bathroom and changed back into her dress. As she was leaving, I scolded 'her' about her duplicity. It's quite possible that the scar on her belly was not a Csection after all. Regardless, I am quite amazed that this person may have been a LB though audaciously 'she' continually denied it, even in my room.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1659219]I am in Boracay and will be here for two weeks and below are a few observations.

There are plenty of women and young girls in Boracay looking for action, contrary to some reports I have read about this island. However, many appear to have a mercenary character and these FL's appear older than their years based on my conversations with them. A remarkable number of them speak poor English. I suppose the poor English puts them on even keel when conversing with the Koreans here.

I could return to the disco tonight as prices will probably start coming down to more reasonable levels as the night wears on. The issue for me is whether these girls provide good service regardless of the price. With the full on pro attitude being exhibited, I am doubtful of finding any GFE here. Hope I am wrong but that is my sense of Boracay so far.[/QUOTE]Boracay is a place that you take your 'A' team girls for a special treat. Its not a mongering venue per se, but, as you found out, there are street worn P4 P'ers in the bar's if you're hard up for a root.

AV.

I was just in Boracay for a few days and saw many available women along the beach. I stopped by Cocomungas but it was dead at 9 pm.

I only had one night before my girl arrived and I had a GFE session with a nice grandmother of 33. She was not the petite type that most here like but I found her attractive and the service was very good.

I did see a few groups of LBs on the beach, some looking very presentable as women (but tall). None of the real women flirting with me on the beach were particularly attractive to me. Just the one that I took and that was all I needed.

I went to Cocamungas around midnight last night. Lots and lots of young cute girls. It rained hard most of evening so perhaps that delayed the crowd from arriving earlier as girls tell me that 10 pm is the optimum time. A few girls quoted me $2 k for all night. One girl said that was as low as she would go so quite certain some would go for less. I discovered that focusing on girls from Manila yield more and better English speakers, plus they seem less jaded than the girls from Kalibo and other closer locales near Boracay. I found one girl off to the side from MNL but with several other cute friends nearby. She came to my apartment and, in fact, was eager to leave from Cocomangas and stayed until 11 am today. She turns 21 in a few weeks. I expect that Christmas Eve should still be crowded though local girls may travel to their province homes for s few days.

Also, several girls confirmed to me that ladyboys are not allowed inside Cocomangas, nor are they allowed in Red Coco bar on the beachfront road. This rule probably pertains to other bars and clubs as well. So avoid the LB's hanging around the beachfront and one should have no issues. The key word seems to be 'massage'? If they say that to you, more than likely, that's all that is on the menu.

[QUOTE=JPF;1659799]I was just in Boracay for a few days and saw many available women along the beach. I stopped by Cocomungas but it was dead at 9 pm.

I only had one night before my girl arrived and I had a GFE session with a nice grandmother of 33. She was not the petite type that most here like but I found her attractive and the service was very good.

I did see a few groups of LBs on the beach, some looking very presentable as women (but tall). None of the real women flirting with me on the beach were particularly attractive to me. Just the one that I took and that was all I needed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1660220]The key word seems to be 'massage'? If they say that to you, more than likely, that's all that is on the menu.[/QUOTE]I concur. "Massage" seemed to be the code word for the FLs along the beach. There are also many uniformed massage girls outside their parlors also saying "massage" which would get you a legit, non-sexual massage. It's not hard to distinguish the two categories but their clothing. A few of the FLs were more direct, asking if I wanted "company".

Actually, I was attempting to say that LB's use the inquiry 'massage'. I suppose they could always argue that they were offering nothing else but a massage. Yes, I needed to add that there are many legit spas on the beachfront road with young girls in uniforms offering standard massages through their spas.

I mentioned in my prior report that I took a girl out of Cocomangas on Tuesday night. She texted me last night, Christmas eve, and wanted to know where I was. I told her that I was at a party in the lobby of my apartment. She then asked if she could come join.

Kind of rude, I thought, and ignored the message for a while finally telling her her the party was for guests of the apartment, which was true.

This morning she texted again and said she was going to Manilla tomorrow and needed more cash for the flight. Also, mentioned she got into trouble the night before, Christmas eve, and had scratches on her face but not entirely certain what she was trying to say as her texting and general English skills were so garbled and hard to understand. To make a long story short, she wanted to come over this afternoon and bang me for some quik cash. I told her no as it sounds like something weird is going on. She just texted me again. What a pain! This probably means I will have to deal with her tonight at Cocomangas.

[QUOTE=JPF;1660579]I concur. "Massage" seemed to be the code word for the FLs along the beach. There are also many uniformed massage girls outside their parlors also saying "massage" which would get you a legit, non-sexual massage. It's not hard to distinguish the two categories but their clothing. A few of the FLs were more direct, asking if I wanted "company".[/QUOTE]

We recently spent three nights exploring the gogo bars of the Divisorio area in Cagayan de Oro with a travel buddy and local guide. This was very different from bars in Angeles or Manila. I had read reports of full nudity with lots of sex in the bars and the VIP rooms, but saw little or none of that in six bars we visited. We mostly saw girls on stage one at a time in dresses or bikinis with an occasional flash of nipple or pussy. There are a surprising number of very pretty young girls in these bars, along with the more usual older and worn-looking dancers.

We started at Deja Vu, on Cruz Taal Street between Burgos and Capistrano. It is run by a gay guy who was helpful with info but made it clear that sex was not on offer in their on-site rooms. The young pretty girls there seemed very shy, making no eye contact and seeming to want to hustle off the stage ASAP. The beer was 95 pesos, girl drinks around 400, the rooms are 1500 and the barfine 3,500. Across the street was Touchdown, with one or two attractive girls but we did not linger there for some reason. Our next stop, walking North on Capistrano street a few blocks was Limelight, on the right side of the street just before Yacapin street. About six girls were available, a few also quite attractive. I chatted up a young stunner, but sensed she just wanted me to keep buying drinks and was not available for take-out. Same price for drinks, rooms are 2,000 and 2500. The mamasan told us the rooms are for talking and karaoke only. Barfine also 3,500. We then proceeded to Gian, which is upstairs on Yacapin street around the corner from Capistrano, where they charge a 50 peso cover charge with the first drink. Similar story about rooms, 2,000 pesos and no sex.

This was getting tiresome, but we pushed on to Fantastic Club on Tiano Brothers Street and Macahambus, next to Lexis Bar & Grill. My friend decided to get right to the point and asked the mamasan which girls were available for sex. She obligingly brought us to one of the VIP rooms and had six of the girls come for a line-up, indicating they were all available, but only if barfined, again for 3,500. I picked the cutest one and sat down for a drink and interview with her. She passed with flying colors, and meanwhile my buddy had started working on the waitress. After some further negotiations we left with my dancer and his waitress, back to the hotel. Service was very good, GFE quality.

The second night we wanted to check out GHQ, the successor to Spooks, on Pacana Street near Tiano Bros, but it was closed on Sundays, so we went to Ming & Mong on Pacana St instead. It was on the 2nd floor upstairs from a bar with a different name I have now forgotten, near the corner of the aforementioned streets. This place had the best line-up we had seen so far. The mamasan offered us a room for 30 minutes for the price of one lady drink for each of our ladies, so we tried it out. As promised, the girls entertained us with karaoke and not much else, but were willing to negotiate take-out services if barfined. Same price as elsewhere, 3,500, although our Filipino buddy was quite sure we could have negotiated that too. My girl was a stunningly beautiful 19-year old, shy but willing. She would not do any sort of BJ, but was otherwise quite GFE, responsive and a pleasure to have in my bed. She wanted a tip and I obliged with another 1,000, making the total deal quite expensive by PH standards.

The former cafe street mentioned in prior reports was shut down a year ago. We also heard from cab drivers that the local politicians have cracked down on the gogo bars, and that could explain why our experience was different than what has been reported previously. We walked past Cora's but our Filipino friend and bodyguard advised against going in, saying fights break out there regularly and it is a bad place. All the clubs mentioned have signs outside or fairly obvious flashing lights, they are not hard to find.

The Hotel Tune was a great deal at $30/ night via hotels.com. There is no swimming pool, but the rooms are clean and modern, similar to Ibis and other European chains. There was no problem bringing female guests late at night, and the security guard even helped get a taxi when she left.

I left the island a few days ago and thought to summarize my trip. In previous postings by ISG members, most have suggested bringing your own, which I strongly advocate. Even though there are girls available here, they seem a bit on the desperate side and not all that bright either. Quite a few from the provinces have poor English speaking comprehension and speaking skills.

I went to the club Cocomangas several times and took out two chicks there during my visits. The first I discussed in a prior report. The second one I took out early this week. The service was good, but similar with the first one, she texted me after leaving the room imploring me to lend her money so she could upgrade her phone. Yeah, sure! Then I ran into her on the beachfront and she wanted to come over short time for a $1 k. She was not that hot and I decided to pass plus she piggybacked my IPhone access password while looking over my shoulder and that kind of pissed me off. I realized that later as she took a Selfie with the phone in the morning, so that also meant she also memorized the pw number from the night before. Kind of disturbing.

As also mentioned, there are considerable amount of LB's wandering about the beachfront road I would prefer not to deal with on a daily basis. If you have a girl with you they leave you alone. If solo, they pester you incessantly.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1613633]For those of you looking for alternative things to do in the Philippines, see this link:

[URL]http://www.expatch.org/2014/08/21/rewind-the-top-100-places-to-visit-in-the-philippines/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is really a nice link, Red, thanks. Been to Banue, Taal, Baguio, 100 Islands and all the touristy places (MNL, AC, CEB, Subic, Duma and Siqui) but never Palawan. Looks really nice there, too. Any Palawan reports? I went back 10 pages and only saw a bus crash. Curious. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ErasmusBDragin;1609832]While I'm certainly no expert, I've been to PP a couple of times. Both times I took girls from KTV's on roads that are diagonal to the airport road; two different places on two different roads. Last time was about a years ago, from a place called (if I recall correctly) Phoenix. It was basically a large bar with a rather rotund, mid-30's mama and maybe 20 girls lounging around. I think the mama asked 3 k for but settled for 2. 5 k for LT. I enjoyed my time there, getting groped by the mama who invited the girls over to check out my package. I spent the evening with a tiny, sub-spinner from Mindanao.

The year before I went to a different place a bit closer to town also on a small street off the airport road. Same setup, KTV with mama, a bit smaller, on second floor of a building. That place had a woman's name that I can't recall (like Nancy's or Mary's, etc). The girls in that place were more scantilly dressed, and I saw what I wanted immediately; a slim girl with an absolutely prefect derriere walking past the door as I entered. She was wearing a bikini so her ass-ets were on full display (yeah, there was a full moon that night! LOL). The mama called the girls for a line up but she needn't have bothered; I only glanced at the others waiting for her. She was really perfect; one of the best p4 p encounters I've had. Stunning body; gorgeous face, wasp waist, fabulous butt. I honestly don't recall the exact toll, but if it were more than 3 k I'd remember, so I'm guessing it was more like 2-2. 5 k. Very well worth it. This girl looked better than 95% of the girls on P Burgos for 1/2 the price.

I saw a few more small places in that same area, on those streets running perpendicular to the airport Road. Prices would have been much lower (per my cyclo driver) but they were quite seedy. My impression was that Phoenix and the other place were the high end for PP. Quality was variable but some lookers in both places. I'm sure there're more cost effective solutions if you find those places too pricey. Any cyclo driver can show you those places.

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks, EBD. When was this, please?

[QUOTE=DCups;1664357]Been to Banue, Taal, Baguio, 100 Islands and all the touristy places (MNL, AC, CEB, Subic, Duma and Siqui) but never Palawan. Looks really nice there, too. Any Palawan reports? [/QUOTE]Palawan is a very beautiful and relatively unspoiled island with some great beach destinations like Sabang Beach, Port Barton, San Vicente (Long Beach), and El Nido. Although there are a few honky tonk bars in Puerto Princessa, I would recommend bringing your own girl and going straight to one of the beach destinations. Sabang Beach is the closest to the PP airport and is about 90 minutes away. I plan to go back to Palawan for my third visit in April and I am bringing my favorite Makati girl along for company. It should be great!

Note: in picture lb370 (lb stands for Long Beach in case you were wondering) there are two (German) girls lying on the sand in the foreground. They were the only other farangs I encountered on this beautiful 14 mile undeveloped beach during the two days I was there. What a beautiful place, but you need to BYO girl to really enjoy it.

Howdy Gents,

I've been getting a hankering to do some naked sunbathing—without leaving the country. Have a Filipina who is down with the proposition. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge or experience of where we might be able to do so.

Please, [I]I'm begging you[/I], do not tell me how conservative PH culture is and how it doesn't exist. I know this.

But, if anyone is aware of [I]an exception[/I], I would be extremely grateful. Having done a massively thorough online search and come up with nothing, save for some bogus and / or unconfirmable references to Sogod and (maybe) Bohol. . . I thought I'd check here as a last resort. Short version: If you've done it or know of someone who definitely has, please reply. I have an itch that I can't scratch.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1664423]Howdy Gents,

I've been getting a hankering to do some naked sunbathingwithout leaving the country. Have a Filipina who is down with the proposition. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge or experience of where we might be able to do so.

Please, [I]I'm begging you[/I], do not tell me how conservative PH culture is and how it doesn't exist. I know this.

But, if anyone is aware of [I]an exception[/I], I would be extremely grateful. Having done a massively thorough online search and come up with nothing, save for some bogus and / or unconfirmable references to Sogod and (maybe) Bohol. . . I thought I'd check here as a last resort. Short version: If you've done it or know of someone who definitely has, please reply. I have an itch that I can't scratch.[/QUOTE]How bout Bantayan? Rent a motorbike and follow the trail out to the western tip. Glad you're back by the way.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1664370]Palawan is a very beautiful and relatively unspoiled island with some great beach destinations like Sabang Beach, Port Barton, San Vicente (Long Beach), and El Nido. Although there are a few honky tonk bars in Puerto Princessa, I would recommend bringing your own girl and going straight to one of the beach destinations. Sabang Beach is the closest to the PP airport and is about 90 minutes away. I plan to go back to Palawan for my third visit in April and I am bringing my favorite Makati girl along for company. It should be great!

Note: in picture lb370 (lb stands for Long Beach in case you were wondering) there are two (German) girls lying on the sand in the foreground. They were the only other farangs I encountered on this beautiful 14 mile undeveloped beach during the two days I was there. What a beautiful place, but you need to BYO girl to really enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Great pics of the beaches NB. My concern when there was the vicious sand flies. At Port Barton the beach was swarming with the greedy little suckers. I suffered at least 50 bites and they itched for over a week! That was 15 years ago. I'd love to go back, but wonder if they are still a problem, especially at Port Barton and San Vicente?

[QUOTE=DCups;1664357]This is really a nice link, Red, thanks. Been to Banue, Taal, Baguio, 100 Islands and all the touristy places (MNL, AC, CEB, Subic, Duma and Siqui) but never Palawan. Looks really nice there, too. Any Palawan reports? I went back 10 pages and only saw a bus crash. Curious. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Palawan is really halfway outside the Phils, its more similar and Flora and Fauna to Malaysia also its outside the ring of fire volcanic activity and the typhoon paths, way too far south and west.

I can only speak from first hand knowledge of Puerto Princessa area but its definitely a bring your own girl place. In the properly described seedy bars from the airport to the Governors seat in the city center is the only possible places to find an willing girl. The Palawena stock available is not the most attractive frankly speaking nor have they developed a culture of offering thier most desireable specimens to the buffets of Angeles or Manila. Just ask yourself, have you ever met a MM or AC bargirl from Palawan? Its a rare bird and unlikely a prize like the incredible gems from Samar or Leyte.

The Puerto area is very clean. The former governor was German influenced and enforced a refreshing form of environmentalism there. Since my first visit 6 years ago Puerto has exploded in growth. A Honda Bay tour is nice they have lots of clean islands but its definitely become a tourist scene but mostly a native tourist destination like most of Mindanao, Siquojor, Bohol etc.

Fellas,

Just spent the pas 4-5 days in ZAM for work and I have to echo with comments posted previously. While there is a small P4 P scene, its not worth it as all westerners stick out like a prostitute at church. Given that there is currently a large majority of Muslims within the city limits, the mall is not even safe for any length of time. Please be aware that the Muslims run the majority of the shops / stores. I did take the hotel van a few times for local errands as I felt local trans (Jeeps / trikes) was pushing my luck. Just for kicks (and boredom), I tried the MP attached to the Garden Orchid Hotel hoping to score with a chicka maybe needing some extra scratch and couldn't even get a simple HJ.

BL. If any of you need local help, ping me and I will provide what I can.

N_R.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1664438]How bout Bantayan? Rent a motorbike and follow the trail out to the western tip. Glad you're back by the way.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Sam, on both counts. Might give it a try. Lovely picture of the beach, looks far from the madding crowd. . .

[QUOTE=Pantot;1664612]Palawan is really halfway outside the Phils, its more similar and Flora and Fauna to Malaysia also its outside the ring of fire volcanic activity and the typhoon paths, way too far south and west.

I can only speak from first hand knowledge of Puerto Princessa area but its definitely a bring your own girl place. In the properly described seedy bars from the airport to the Governors seat in the city center is the only possible places to find an willing girl. The Palawena stock available is not the most attractive frankly speaking nor have they developed a culture of offering thier most desireable specimens to the buffets of Angeles or Manila. Just ask yourself, have you ever met a MM or AC bargirl from Palawan? Its a rare bird and unlikely a prize like the incredible gems from Samar or Leyte.

The Puerto area is very clean. The former governor was German influenced and enforced a refreshing form of environmentalism there. Since my first visit 6 years ago Puerto has exploded in growth. A Honda Bay tour is nice they have lots of clean islands but its definitely become a tourist scene but mostly a native tourist destination like most of Mindanao, Siquojor, Bohol etc.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Pantot, Natty and Q55.

[QUOTE=Questor55;1664480]My concern when there was the vicious sand flies. At Port Barton the beach was swarming with the greedy little suckers. I suffered at least 50 bites and they itched for over a week! That was 15 years ago. I'd love to go back, but wonder if they are still a problem, especially at Port Barton and San Vicente?[/QUOTE]Questor, sand flies are a real bitchh. What time of the year did you visit Palawan? I go there in March or April. I never encountered an insect problem day or night. I always bring along a bottle DEET 100% insect repellent (for mosquitoes) when I travel to remote destinations just in case. I never needed it in Palawan.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1664612]Palawan is really halfway outside the Phils, its more similar and Flora and Fauna to Malaysia also its outside the ring of fire volcanic activity and the typhoon paths, way too far south and west.
I can only speak from first hand knowledge of Puerto Princessa area but its definitely a bring your own girl place[/QUOTE]Great description of the island.

Well it had to happen, after two years of travelling to Philippines I was finally scammed in an online dating site. I know I have written about all of the rules, always get face check, skype etc. In this case, I couldn't / wouldn't get agreement from these two to skype, low bandwidth, account won't load, forgot password etc etc. Anyway I settled for voice contact via their mobiles. That was good and we had good conversations.

First girl, turns out the lady's Tagged profile is a family affair. This 22 year old girl is hot property and is the family's meal ticket to success if they can marry her off to a wealthy foreigner. Messages are answered by the mother, maybe the girl or other members of the family. Lovely people but not my cup of tea.

Second, the other girl. Her cousin set up and answers her Tagged profile. My first contact with her was on the phone, the SMS. Next thing she's in my room telling me how much she loved my Tagged conversations. Hmm. And she stayed the night and was wonderful. Possibly one of the tightest girls I have ever been with and no compensation accepted, not even a trik fare of P10.

So, while I do feel a little dirty for being cheated, I did get to date and enjoy a nice dinner with a genuine Filipino beauty and next night have wonderful sex with a very passionate woman.

Now, if only I can remember which of my fake profiles I was using.

Have fun out there. This game works both ways.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1665108]Well it had to happen, after two years of travelling to Philippines I was finally scammed in an online dating site. I know I have written about all of the rules, always get face check, skype etc. In this case, I couldn't / wouldn't get agreement from these two to skype, low bandwidth, account won't load, forgot password etc etc. Anyway I settled for voice contact via their mobiles. That was good and we had good conversations.

SNIP

So, while I do feel a little dirty for being cheated, I did get to date and enjoy a nice dinner with a genuine Filipino beauty and next night have wonderful sex with a very passionate woman.

BD.[/QUOTE]BD, what was the scam?

Going to Boracay today for some beach and sun. Not expecting much from P4 P perspective but nevertheless. If anyone on the ground send me PM.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1665108]And she stayed the night and was wonderful. Possibly one of the tightest girls I have ever been with and no compensation accepted, not even a trik fare of P10.

So, while I do feel a little dirty for being cheated, I did get to date and enjoy a nice dinner with a genuine Filipino beauty and next night have wonderful sex with a very passionate woman.[/QUOTE]Who was cheating who?! ;)

This is what I strive for, but even then I always give her travel money.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1665241]BD, what was the scam?[/QUOTE]Sorry Westcoast1 for my wit, I was scammed in that the people on the web whom I was chatting to were not the people whom turned up. So the people whom turned up were indeed the people in the photos. This in in contrast to me, where I am the one chatting, but my photos are not up to date.

I agree Free2 that I always pay, two girls were simply offended even with the offer of trike fare. They are the real deal.

Although I am always amazed at the number of girls whom say no sex for two years but then get into bed with me on the first meetup. Maybe that's another part of the scam to get sex from foreigners. (LOL).

Arrived in El Nido a few days ago. It has been reported before that it is best to BYO and I have to concur. There are women here but also an abundance of LB's. Two clubs -- one is a reggae bar located on beach called Rasta, which appears to me mainly tourists, though locals and LB's with the latter coming here to pick up the unsuspecting drunk backpacker.

The other is called Asylum, which is primarily a local place and is off limits to LB's. I met a young LB last night at a local bar but did not know it initially. She started the conversation by telling me she is staying with a German tourist who was sleeping so she was bored and went out. So I assumed she was a girl LOL. However, she is from El Nido and had met this guy on a prior trip. She the. Joked about the guy wanting to tap her virgin ass. At that point, she admitted to me her status as a LB and I was surprised but it just goes to show that I have a long way to go to identify LB's! She told me about the LB policy in Asylum and suggested that I go there to meet girls. She also suggested that I try the local waitresses as they were available. After she left, I walked down the main drag to the Asylum club. Inside this place were about 20 Filipino guys and maybe two girls, one of who was on a date or married to her companion.

My driver from Puerto Princesa volunteered to me that the girls in this town were prettier and 'fresher' in his words. He was from El Nido and spoke in a disparaging manner about his hometown girls. I did notice a string of bars near the airport in PPS. It's only a five minute drive to the main part of the town. From there, it's about 5 hours to El Nido if you drive it without stopping.

Several recent contributors have claimed that you need to bring your own girl when traveling to Puerto Princessa (PP). That wasn't my experience. I was there some time ago so I won't relate the specifics of my travels because they may no longer be valid. However I believe that the following generalities are still true. Talk to trike drivers or patrons at the expat bars. I was there for a total of three weeks on two different occasions and I was with a different girl every night. At least 10 bars called sing-alongs had girls. Rizal Park had street walkers. A club by the park had a smattering free lancers. For the adventurous, PP has a number of Pinoy bars that might be interesting on a week night. Be polite, don't get drunk, get in and get out quickly and early and you should have no problem. As far as prostitution in the Philippines is concerned, I work under the premise that like shit on a horse ranch, it is everywhere.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1666760]As far as prostitution in the Philippines is concerned, I work under the premise that like shit on a horse ranch, it is everywhere.[/QUOTE]Some folk say that romance is dead.

Hahaha.

Anyone knows which hotels in the Cavite area that has a KTV bar or a place to go mongering that's within walking distance?

I left El Nido yesterday and arrived in PPS in Palawan early evening. First, I found a really nice, new and modern hotel near the airport on the road into the town center called The Islands Stay Hotel. They have small rooms for $950 p and a nice big room with a double and twin bed for $1500. I took the latter. The room includes a nice size flat screen, Internet portals, great wifi and the hotel sparkles from top to bottom. Nothing like a new place!

However, they did require that all guests must be registered and there is a $500 p fee for someone extra in your room. They also don't allow drinking in the room though not sure how that is enforced.

This leads me to the next subject. The hotel is located on the main road from the airport into town. Along this road are numerous restaurants, bars, KTV's and at least a couple of take out clubs. There were several girls hanging about these smaller clubs but YMMV. Most notable is the Phoenix Club, which is located next to the Fersal Hotel, directly across from the airport. I stopped in briefly last night and spoke to the MamaSan. Drinks for the girls are $275 p but the bar fine is a whopping $3500 p. I did not venture too far inside though there appeared to be quite a few girls at the end of the bar. Perhaps a dozen. Though no idea of talent level. MamaSan was unclear if the BF was for all night or ST and said that was up to the conversation one had with the girl so it sounds like a crapshoot. The place itself is very nice and compared to the other KTV's in the area, a real palace. I complained to her about price and said that was like Makati prices. Albeit, Makati prices would also include (presumably) a larger price or tip for the girls. I figure that I could arrange a discount if I appeared to be a real buyer but last night I was tired from my trip via El Nido.

There is also a regular night club called the Tiki Bar, located on the major intersection as one drives from airport into town. It appeared to be more of a date place and local non-pro hangout as it offered live music and decent food.

I hope to have a more interesting report after my stay here as I have two more nights in PPS.

I am leaving Palawan this afternoon. Unfortunately, windy weather prevented me from visiting the underground river in Sabang so the only reason I am here now is to catch an afternoon flight back to Manila. As mentioned in a prior report, there are a few scattered KTV's and clubs on the airport road to the center but the quality leaves a lot to be desired.

Last night, I visited the nicest KTV in PPS called Phoenix, which is located next to the Fersal Hotel directly across from the airport. On my prior visit a few days ago, I and a friend of mine spoke to the MamaSan about the barfine (3500 p) and drink costs for girls (275 p). The women inside were nicely dressed and attractive though did not see any standouts. Many appears to be mom's judging by the belly bumps but at least they looked classy and clean. It was clear that I was the only potential customer at 11 pm so thought that perhaps I might be able to arrange a discount off the BF. The MamaSan organized a "model show" and the girls strolled around the stage in nice cocktail dresses but provided very little eye contact or seemed all that interested. However, one girl had lingered off stage at the end of the show and she gave me a friendly glance on the way back to the couches where she joined the other girls.

I asked her to come over and bought her a few beers while stroking her legs and lightly playing with her puss outside her panties. As long as I was discrete about the light petting, she seemed fine with my covert behavoir. However, she reconfirmed the BF rate noted by the Mamsan. After finishing her second drink, I asked the MamaSan to come over but she adamantly said the BF was fixed at 3500 p ($75 USD). The other problematic issue was it remained unclear if this would be for short term or long term. The girl told me that was up to the guy and the girl-- so pretty open ended and gives the girl a clear escape hatch.

I declined as the BF and undetermined duration seemed out of sync. But, the girl did explain a few other things about how this KTV is setup. For one thing, all 18 girls present live on the premises in an upstairs apartment. They are not allowed to go out after the club closes at 2 am. She expressed an interest in texting me in the morning around 7 am, as I slipped her my phone number, but it is already 8 am so not expecting to hear from her.

Can't say I understand their business model. Basically, 18 girls hanging around practicing karaoke, no active customers besides me, and no interest in negotiating the bar fine.

After I prepared my last report, I went out for breakfast across the street from the Phoenix. Shortly thereafter, I received a text from the girl I met the night before. To make a long story short, she came over to the restaurant and we negotiated a price. I offered 1200 p for two hours. An awkward pause ensued as she obviously thought she could get closer to the bar fine amount I had offered last night of 2000 p. Finally, she timidly said $1500 p, which I accepted. We then proceeded to my hotel. She looked really cute in her blue jean cutoff and tight little white blouse.

Nicely shaved too once we got down to it. Basically, it was pretty damn good-- two times in about and 1 1/2. Nice DF kissing, DATY, BJ etc. And quite the cute little body. She asked for a tip as she was leaving but I declined. What is a sufficient tip here in PHP for ST or do you guys generally tip? BTW: Her name is Rachel.

The best thing, of course, was avoiding the 3500 p BF quoted from the night before, the 500 p guest fee at the hotel, which only applies after 10 pm, and enjoying a surprisingly nice and relaxed morning horizontal refreshment.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1669663]

Nicely shaved too once we got down to it. Basically, it was pretty damn good-- two times in about and 1 1/2. Nice DF kissing, DATY, BJ etc. And quite the cute little body. She asked for a tip as she was leaving but I declined. What is a sufficient tip here in PHP for ST or do you guys generally tip? BTW: Her name is Rachel.
.[/QUOTE]I may be the cynic but you agreed a price so why the need for a tip. If the price was p1500 that's the price.

Go to a bar and you pay the price shown for a drink. Go to a supermarket and pay the price shown. Agree a price to buy a car, that's the price.

Girl gave you a price which you agreed to, so unless you decided that the value was exceptional and you will be seeing her again and again, why the additional payment.

I know the money is small but I always laugh when a taxi driver, who drove me from A to be asks (no shame shown) for an additional amount of money?.

Others will have different views.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1669663]After I prepared my last report, I went out for breakfast across the street from the Phoenix. Shortly thereafter, I received a text from the girl I met the night before. To make a long story short, she came over to the restaurant and we negotiated a price. I offered 1200 p for two hours. An awkward pause ensued as she obviously thought she could get closer to the bar fine amount I had offered last night of 2000 p. Finally, she timidly said $1500 p, which I accepted. We then proceeded to my hotel. She looked really cute in her blue jean cutoff and tight little white blouse.

Nicely shaved too once we got down to it. Basically, it was pretty damn good-- two times in about and 1 1/2. Nice DF kissing, DATY, BJ etc. And quite the cute little body. She asked for a tip as she was leaving but I declined. What is a sufficient tip here in PHP for ST or do you guys generally tip? BTW: Her name is Rachel.

The best thing, of course, was avoiding the 3500 p BF quoted from the night before, the 500 p guest fee at the hotel, which only applies after 10 pm, and enjoying a surprisingly nice and relaxed morning horizontal refreshment.[/QUOTE]Great bargaining skills. I think she disparately took 1500 hoping for a tip for good performance to make up for the 500 shortfall. Since you asked, after saving 3500 on the barfine, I personally would have paid the 2000 pesos+ and tipped her 300-500 for good service. Nice of you to pass her name along to help build her income back up.

I'm looking for a decent gym to go to during my stay in Palawan in February. Hit me up if anyone knows of any.

Yella Man.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1669663] What is a sufficient tip here in PHP for ST or do you guys generally tip? [/QUOTE]Tipping has been discussed many times on the forum. Camps are sharply divided on the issue. It seems that at one time tipping was rare and now it has gained a lot of traction. Tipping is one of the worst aspects of western society and no reasonable person should want to introduce it to a place where it is not part of the culture. Pinoys do not tip. Expats generally don't tip and I can't imagine that Koreans tip.

As far as this short time freelancer is concerned, you have already negotiated a price, why provide remuneration on top of that? Further, even in the West, the protocol of tipping is that you do not tip the proprietor of a business and if you think about it, that makes sense. Since this freelancer is the owner of the business she operates, "freelance sales," there is no need to tip her.

Might be tough to find a decent gym but in El Nido there was a gym on corner of main drag that parallels the beach.

Just weights, it appeared to me.

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1677364]I'm looking for a decent gym to go to during my stay in Palawan in February. Hit me up if anyone knows of any.

Yella Man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1677809]Might be tough to find a decent gym but in El Nido there was a gym on corner of main drag that parallels the beach.

Just weights, it appeared to me.[/QUOTE]Tomasb,

Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be swimming a lot of laps at the pool.

YM.

Was recently in PP for a couple of nights. The first night I was free and the second night I had plans to meet up with some mates. On the first night, checked into a hotel near the airport and was tired from a whole day of travelling and just wanted to sleep. But I was also interested in getting some company. It's amazing how the little brain overrides the big brain. Since I hadn't done any research on PP and being tired, I asked the guy who showed me my room where I could get a girl. The Phoenix was close by so he mentioned that one. He also mentioned a place called Hangout but then said if I wanted really good looking "hot" girls, to go to Saralai. The way he said it, you could just tell if he had money, this is where he would have gone in a heartbeat.

I showered and then decided to go to Saralai and not bother with the other options. I am tired and my plan was just to grab the first decent looking girl and bring her back. Saralai is a KTV bar just off the main road going to the airport. It was early in the evening and there were some girls sitting outside in really nice red micro-short dresses. Sexy. The Mamasan was sitting at the entrance. Even though she looked youngish (early 30's), I only knew she was the mamasan because she wasn't dressed like the rest and just looked like she was in charge. Started chatting with her, she welcomed me and walked me to a hard uncomfortable looking two person sofa. Asked me to sit down and I said only if she will join me. She did. I ordered a SM and she ordered an SML. We chatted. She explained how it works here. It's 3,000 barfine, payable to her. The rest is between you and the girl. I am sure I could have gotten the bar fine lower but the mamasan was super cool, we were having a good conversation and I had my arm around her, feeling her tits and body. There weren't that many men there but probably around 15-20 girls. Most of the girls were bored, either sitting in groups or walking around and checking their make up in the many mirrors and trying to make eye contact with you. LOL.

Finally, the mamasan called over 6 girls and they were all really good looking. I chose one. She was 22, really good looking and had beautiful lips that I would love to see wrapped around my dick. She sat next to me as the Mamasan left. I ordered another SM and my girl ordered another SML. Since this was my first time in a KTV bar, I wanted the girl to sing for me. It turns out she was struggling with a sore throat. You could hear it in her voice when she would talk to you. But she said she would try to sing a song and so she sang some Filipino song while I was holding her and her hand was over my dick. Asked her if she wants to come back with me, she said yes and we agreed on what time she would leave the next morning.

Went back to the hotel. The hotel didn't bother checking to see if I need to register her or not. But the guy that showed me my room earlier was there and he was smiling with approval. Got in the room, she texted somebody, put her phone away and started watching TV. I got her to come over to the bed, persuaded her to do a slow strip dance on the bed on top of me, made her walk up to me so her pussy was right next to my face. She gave me a BBBJ and then covered sex in multiple positions. She showered and came back and lay down next to me to watch TV. I moved her hand down to my dick and soon, I got hard again. "Already?" she exclaimed. One more round.

She showered and came back and lay down next to me to watch TV. Some horror show. I moved her hand down to my dick and eventually, I got hard again. "Again?" Another round, shower, lie next to me, hand on my dick, etc, etc. Somewhere in those six rounds, we napped, watched the sequel to the horror show and she also gave me a massage.

In the morning, I still felt really sore and was interested in getting a massage. I asked her if she knew anyone and she contacted her friend. We had one last round, gave her a 500 peso tip which she was happy with. I went to get breakfast and returned back to my hotel room. Reception calls to say my masseuse has arrived. They send her up to my room. She is not that good looking compared to the girls from the night before but probably a 6 and in her late 20's. Charge me 500 pesos per hour. As she was giving me a massage, we started chatting. Everyone wants to know where you are from and how old you are. And I asked her if she would give me a blow job. "I am shy. " Eventually, she relented and gave me a BBBJ. Continued massaging. It was a very erotic massage for me because as she would massage me, for example my arm, I would have my hand on one of her tits. Got me hard again and she finished me off with a BBBJ / handjob.

For a place that I didn't think had much, PP was pretty good. And, I know some people are going to hate me for this, but I like all the Koreans coming in because it means that places like Saralai have beautiful women waiting for you. I think I need to try more KTVs in PI.

Guys,

Going to Boracay, any action there or I need to go to a larger island?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Snitsch;1681441]Going to Boracay, any action there[/QUOTE]Simple answer = Yes. Boys, girl, lady boys, whatever you want; RTFF and ye shall find sayeth I.

Thanks for the excellent report Indy100. If you have time for a followup, would like to hear about hotels. Palawan is one of the island I've never been to.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;1678091]Was recently in PP for a couple of nights. The first night
SNIP
For a place that I didn't think had much, PP was pretty good. And, I know some people are going to hate me for this, but I like all the Koreans coming in because it means that places like Saralai have beautiful women waiting for you. I think I need to try more KTVs in PI.[/QUOTE]

See my report #2054 for a hotel recommendation.

[QUOTE=XMan;1681583]Thanks for the excellent report Indy100. If you have time for a followup, would like to hear about hotels. Palawan is one of the island I've never been to.[/QUOTE]

Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.

[QUOTE=Steve88;1682076]Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.[/QUOTE]Apology if this is offensive. I originally typed a solid reply about ST places in CDO/s Divisoria area for you. However I then looked at your paultry 3 previous posts, which just ask questions (your first post was 9 years ago). You have not provided a single, solid descriptive Field Report. You (and other newbs) should: Go to philippines and provide a FR or two before asking questions on the open board. Feel free to PM me your questions and I will answer your questions as best I can.

[QUOTE=Steve88;1682076]Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.[/QUOTE]Yes they have and the girls are very honest!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288]Apology if this is offensive. [/QUOTE]If you believe something is offensive then it probably is and you may want to rethink things.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288]
I originally typed a solid reply about ST places in CDO/s Divisoria area for you. [/QUOTE]Maybe a less offensive and more helpful post would have been a link so that he could have found it.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288]
However I then looked at your paultry 3 previous posts,[/QUOTE]Come on. No need to be insulting and vent your bile here.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288] which just ask questions (your first post was 9 years ago). You have not provided a single, solid descriptive Field Report.[/QUOTE]So what. I wouldn't begrudge a person's request for information. The time you spent researching this member's post history maybe would have been better spent finding a way to answer his question. I know that if I had the information he needed, I would have given it to him rather than scolding him. In your estimation, how would the collegiality of this forum been better served; (A) by politely answering the inquiry; (B) ignoring the post altogether because it was jerking my chain; (C) berating the poster?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288]
You (and other newbs) should: Go to philippines and provide a FR or two before asking questions on the open board. [/QUOTE]It's not your call to make. A lot of guys patrol the forum look for peccadilloes (like the way you spelled paltry) and then pounce on fellow members. You don't need to do that.

BTW I think I remember reading and seeing a number of your pics in the photo section. I really enjoyed them. I am planning a trip to CDO some time and will look for your posts during my preparation.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1682372]It's not your call to make. A lot of guys patrol the forum look for peccadilloes (like the way you spelled paltry) and then pounce on fellow members. You don't need to do that.

BTW I think I remember reading and seeing a number of your pics in the photo section. I really enjoyed them. I am planning a trip to CDO some time and will look for your posts during my preparation.[/QUOTE]Of course its my call (as its yours to speak your mind). The OP is a phils newb. His, and other such newbs should not clutter the board with routine questions. "Where can I find a good hotel in Manila" is not the kind of thing I want to see here. If you haven't posted any detailed FR's here on the phils board, hit me (and other board regulars) in PM with your questions. This is not the Columbia or DR thread.

[QUOTE=Steve88;1682076]Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.[/QUOTE]Buko Max. Nice reply.

Steve88 - you have 3 FRs tow are the same question the alst being in 2006 asking airlines to Gambia (are a serious monger really?

Google will answer all you need to know also spend some time RTFFing and you find a wealth of information.

Westie. Good reply, as I agree too many newbs ask question without RTFF. Look at India and the slowly declining UAE board that as once excellent for the reasons why Westie replies as he did (and gets support).

[QUOTE=Snitsch;1681441]Guys,

Going to Boracay, any action there or I need to go to a larger island?

Thanks[/QUOTE]No action there. You need to go to a smaller island. Try Luzon. Kindly refer to the post immediately below.

Regarding me previous post. We don't want newbs asking routine / general questions on the board for a reason. They are (almost) always takers, not givers. They ask questions, get answers, and we never hear back from them. The Original Poster is one of those: 3 posts in 9 years, none of them descriptive FR's. If you want to promote this behavior, respond to him on the open board.

Hello again,

I'm a little surprised asking a question could cause such venom.

I have tried goggling the question but I'd preferred an answer from someone with boots on the ground.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1682372]If you believe something is offensive then it probably is and you may want to rethink things.

Maybe a less offensive and more helpful post would have been a link so that he could have found it.

Come on. No need to be insulting and vent your bile here.

So what. I wouldn't begrudge a person's request for information. The time you spent researching this member's post history maybe would have been better spent finding a way to answer his question. I know that if I had the information he needed, I would have given it to him rather than scolding him. In your estimation, how would the collegiality of this forum been better served; (A) by politely answering the inquiry; (B) ignoring the post altogether because it was jerking my chain; (C) berating the poster?

It's not your call to make. A lot of guys patrol the forum look for peccadilloes (like the way you spelled paltry) and then pounce on fellow members. You don't need to do that.

BTW I think I remember reading and seeing a number of your pics in the photo section. I really enjoyed them. I am planning a trip to CDO some time and will look for your posts during my preparation.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more pompetus. The kinder gentler way to do it would be to give the info in 2 lines or less and with the next line say " now for this information we would like to see a good report on your success in _ city". Less energy, Less head ache, and more positive feedback will come from this approach in the future. Now there will be many who disagree with us in the open forum, but when ever I say something about this being a brother hood of sweet little mother fuckers, and not a mother hood of brother fuckers, I always get private messages thanking me for saying something about it. There are those who agree with us, but don't want to get involved in the rile that ensues from making their opinions public.

Just my 20 pesos L A T.

Just wondering if there is anyone (a Canadian businessman) on this forum whom is staying in Surigao over this current weekend 14-15 Feb.

Would love to make contact with you if you can PM me.

BD.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1682484]No action there. You need to go to a smaller island. Try Luzon. Kindly refer to the post immediately below.[/QUOTE]Snitsch could try Tawi Tawi lost of white sand and quiet plus direct flights also? Yes?

Sniitsch. Given that this board has so much information and a tonne of stuff about your question a RTFF would be better, can't believe you asked it when there has been much discussion on the place.

Westie. Again I agree with your post (I hope this is not becoming the norm LOL).

For those who font like people replying with RTFF or some humorous / barber comment visit the India board, read the banners as that is a prime example. Also go to UAE board that is slowly becoming like the India. With many seniors lamenting old days.

LAT. Good FR but generally IMHO the newbs, 1-4 FRs guy never write a follow up FR they are takers not givers (again I refer to the India and UAE boards where this promise is made regularly but is never kept).

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1682607]I couldn't agree with you more pompetus. The kinder gentler way to do it would be to give the info in 2 lines or less and with the next line say " now for this information we would like to see a good report on your success in _ city". Less energy, Less head ache, and more positive feedback will come from this approach in the future. Now there will be many who disagree with us in the open forum, but when ever I say something about this being a brother hood of sweet little mother fuckers, and not a mother hood of brother fuckers, I always get private messages thanking me for saying something about it. There are those who agree with us, but don't want to get involved in the rile that ensues from making their opinions public.

Just my 20 pesos L A T.[/QUOTE]I think the problem is that it often takes a lot more than just 1 or 2 lines to answer the questions from newbies. So I'm with Westy here.
I don't mind to answer 1 or 2 short questions every now and then but you have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise we find ourselves answering the same questions over and over again.

[QUOTE=Steve88;1682576]Hello again,

I'm a little surprised asking a question could cause such venom.

I have tried goggling the question but I'd preferred an answer from someone with boots on the ground.[/QUOTE]It's not so much venom as it is the taking / giving issue. Steve, I will PM you with some CDO info. Promise you will write us some detailed FR's?

LAT, I'm with you about prompting the newbs to remind them to write us a report. But the history of the thing is that newbs get answers to their questions, then we rarely hear back from them. BTW, even guys with 500 posts who have traveled everywhere else, but not phils, are still newbs. [I]"Been to DR, CR, Columbia, Rio, UAE, FSR. Making my way to phils for the first time. Looking for advice on an upscale hotel in Manila. Thoughts?"[/I] Yuck. BTW, we have this discussion on the open board from time to time.

Has anyone been to Calbayog recently? Its the main city of Samar.

I was there many times in the middle ought and was not impressed. I stayed at the Eduardo Tourist hotel a few times which was the best accommodations in the city and it was barely a 1 star place. I never forget the sign in the room prohibiting the drinking of tuba in the room.

Another place towards the end of my travels was Marju Crisel a place isolated on the way to the airport. It was a decent room but it was situated in the middle of nowhere. I think I was there when it was newly opened.

Has the city evolved at all? I doubt it.

I have a few Samar girls I want to meet this April and I will most likely bring a couple to Tacloban to meet me, Tacloban 100 X more modern than anything in Samar.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682655]It's not so much venom as it is the taking / giving issue. Steve, I will PM you with some CDO info. Promise you will write us some detailed FR's?

LAT, I'm with you about prompting the newbs to remind them to write us a report. But the history of the thing is that newbs get answers to their questions, then we rarely hear back from them. BTW, even guys with 500 posts who have traveled everywhere else, but not phils, are still newbs. [I]"Been to DR, CR, Columbia, Rio, UAE, FSR. Making my way to phils for the first time. Looking for advice on an upscale hotel in Manila. Thoughts?"[/I] Yuck. BTW, we have this discussion on the open board from time to time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mikel1969;1682833]I really hate walking through a lobby or even past a security guard with my lady for the evening. Can someone please tell me if there are any hotels, condos, with a private entrance in Manila? Preferably Malate area, but would also possibly consider Makati if not too expensive.[/QUOTE]Check Mikel1969's initial board post on the board under the Manila Hotel's section (#2498) from today [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2505-Manila-Hotels&p=1682833&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1682833.

He's probably a good guy, but not yet a paid member, and asking questions in his first post. Ick. Small chance that he'll write us some descriptive FR's about his time in Manila later. Get a membership Mikel, and prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682887]

He's probably a good guy, but not yet a paid member, and asking questions in his first post. Ick. [/QUOTE]How can you discourage a person who is traveling to a destination for the first time from asking a question? You do not want to be helpful for the sake of it. If a person is or is not a Card Carrying Member of the ISG is that person's choice. You resent members who aren't abiding by rules of your own creation. You are contributing to a hostile climate on the forum. You may be getting to absorbed in the ISG. Think about taking a break.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288](your first post was 9 years ago). You have not provided a single, solid descriptive Field Report. [/QUOTE]A nine-year member with 3 posts?!? None of which provide info?!? Nine years! Willfully a forever newb. Bloody hell. The neck of some people.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1682288]Apology if this is offensive.[/QUOTE]You're too polite. There's offensive behavior m8, and it isn't by you.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1683012]Think about taking a break.[/QUOTE]

My eyes just popped out of my noggin. You're telling Westy, the guy who's most responsible for the excellent state of the photo thread, a guy whose FRs and PMs are amongst the most informative here, to take a break? Have I read your comment correctly?

[QUOTE=Pantot;1682723]Has anyone been to Calbayog recently? Its the main city of Samar.

<SNIP>

I have a few Samar girls I want to meet this April and I will most likely bring a couple to Tacloban to meet me, Tacloban 100 X more modern than anything in Samar.[/QUOTE]I would suggest that Catarman is the "main" city of Samar, as evidenced by the fact that the airlines fly there, it is much larger and it has more hotels.

Check out Google for hotels if you want to stay there.

No; Samar (Northern or Eastern) hasn't evolved much beyond how it was 18 years ago when I first ventured there.

You have been to Samar before so I assume you remember that in such relatively small communities foreigners stand out and conservative girls are a bit skittish about being seen with a foreigner, and especially about being seen entering a hotel with him.

Tacloban is still stressed by the typhoon; you will not find it as laid back and accommodating as it used to be. It's a different place now.

Thanks for replies earlier guys in regards to Boracay.

I didn't mean to start such a discussion regarding newbies.

All I can say is that if you'd ignore newbies they will never share their exp with you as you are quite rude from the start.

Personally, I am traveling to Phillis and that is why I cannot share any info, I have never been to a bloody island haha, this is the sole purpose of this web site. To share what you know about the area.

I do not brag about stuff. I gave several posts with precise info about my area. If one follows directions can get lots of action. Cheers.

Thanks to friendly responds and screw others.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1683012]How can you discourage a person who is traveling to a destination for the first time from asking a question? You do not want to be helpful for the sake of it. If a person is or is not a Card Carrying Member of the ISG is that person's choice. You resent members who aren't abiding by rules of your own creation. You are contributing to a hostile climate on the forum. You may be getting to absorbed in the ISG. Think about taking a break.[/QUOTE]To be fair, I must defend Pompetus a bit. I recognize that my position (nothing new, many years ago I also was shot down by phils regulars for asking questions as a newb without providing FR's) is a bit put-off-ish for newbs. And yes, we'd like to encourage more quality FR's. I see the dichotomy. I would rather the board Admin put a set of simple rules on each phils page regarding such (ie, like the stinking India threads). The problem is that having any swinging dick asking questions means they just come, then go. Worse, many of them are not really worthy of the answers they seek (they won't purchase a membership, which drives the board). I prefer to having them visit first, post next, then get cozy on the open board. Prior to that, they can get cozy in PM.

The issues about newbies asking or some senior members call it taking and not investing or giving reminds me of what must go on in some providers mind. The one trick pony rider (newbie) comes in blazing, wants it now and cheap with maybe a promise to provide something later. The provider is wondering why should I do this, I don't know you and you haven't really brought anything to the table. Nothing invested, not even a Hello, - how are you doing? Just give me what I want and see you later.

I can see both sides of the issues. It is kind of insulting when a newbie (especially if unpaid) says this is an information board, so just give it to me! The senior paid up members says FU, do your homework and contribute to the board or at least join. Kinda like telling the girl I have paid the BF now spread them. Even though this board is about getting fu*k, no one wants to feel like they got a fu*king.

I think there needs to be a little more romancing between the parties and maybe a softer touch.

[QUOTE=Snitsch;1683036]All I can say is that if you'd ignore newbies they will never share their exp with you as you are quite rude from the start.[/QUOTE]I understand exactly that.

[QUOTE=Snitsch;1683036]Personally, I am traveling to Phillis and that is why I cannot share any info, I have never been to a bloody island haha, this is the sole purpose of this web site. To share what you know about the area.[/QUOTE]For some threads, yes, for some: no.

I would tell you to PM me, and I will give you any info that I have (have done so many, many times). However, you aren't yet a member (no PM). Please pay up a membership and get a PM before asking for help ([B]that[/B] can't be too much to ask).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1683089]

I would tell you to PM me, and I will give you any info that I have (have done so many, many times). However, you aren't yet a member (no PM). Please pay up a membership and get a PM before asking for help ([B]that[/B] can't be too much to ask).[/QUOTE]To reiterate what WC 1 is saying:

I also tend to give far more advice these days to guys through PMs than on the open board.

I can also be much more detailed, with addresses and names and even phone numbers. I would NEVER put them o the open board.

I can only ever give this advice if the poster is a member.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027]I would suggest that Catarman is the "main" city of Samar, as evidenced by the fact that the airlines fly there, it is much larger and it has more hotels.[/QUOTE]Main city was meant to imply that while not the capital is certainly the largest by far. Airlines fly to Calbayog as well. Before Asian Spirit and now Phil Air. I have chatted and met dozens of sex workers in Luzon from Calbayog and actually none from Catarman and only a few from Catbalogan. There is a huge pipeline of Calbayog area girls to AC Manila.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027]Check out Google for hotels if you want to stay there.[/QUOTE]I never asked for hotels. I simply mentioned the 2 most modern ones 7-10 years ago. I was simply asking if it has modernized over the past 8 or so years since I was last there a half a dozen times. Google? That's informative.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027]No; Samar (Northern or Eastern) hasn't evolved much beyond how it was 18 years ago when I first ventured there.[/QUOTE]I was looking for more current info but thanks.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027]You have been to Samar before so I assume you remember that in such relatively small communities foreigners stand out and conservative girls are a bit skittish about being seen with a foreigner, and especially about being seen entering a hotel with him.[/QUOTE]I have never had any issue with a pinay from the provinces worried about going into hotels and quite the contrary they were always proud to be with a polite foreigner. I always treat the girls with respect as my 'GF' I guess if it were a short term pure obvious prostitution exchange and the hotel was right in the middle of the girls barangay or close by it could be a big problem. Never encountered that situation. I always bring them at least a couple of jeeps from where they live at the minimum.

One thing I will comment about the Calbayog area of Samar that was different than any other province I have been is its rough and crude in the attitudes of the night time crowd in general. They were much more likely to catcall and make comments to the girl I was with than in similar situations in Mindanao or other parts of Leyte etc. The waray tribe seem to pride themselves on their toughness as hard asses. It wasn't threatening and always delivered with a smile but I am sure if I understood the language, which they obviously knew I didn't, it would be somewhat insulting at times.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027]Tacloban is still stressed by the typhoon; you will not find it as laid back and accommodating as it used to be. It's a different place now.[/QUOTE]Yes true. It won't be the same as my last visit a few months before Yolanda. I am curious to see the change really. I am importing province girls from around there so I'm not too worried. A recovering Tacloban is still more advanced than 95% of Samar / Leyte I expect. I will know first hand soon enough.

Will be in AC next week and am thinking of visiting Tacloban early March. I think Tacloban is pretty well cleaned up and decent hotels and restaurants have opened back up. I really don't know so I would appreciate any information, advice and etc.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1683047]To be fair, I must defend Pompetus [/QUOTE]Tanks.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1683047]they won't purchase a membership, which drives the board. [/QUOTE]ISG makes money from advertisement and the cost it charges is probably based on how many people visit the forum. When people are discouraged from using the forum, that will make the usage hits go down and the forum will lose money as it won't be able to charge its advertisers more. In any event, as users we don't need to take a proprietary interest in the forum. Use it and have fun sharing info and being HELPFUL.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1684736]ISG makes money from advertisement and the cost it charges is probably based on how many people visit the forum. When people are discouraged from using the forum, that will make the usage hits go down and the forum will lose money as it won't be able to charge its advertisers more. In any event, as users we don't need to take a proprietary interest in the forum. Use it and have fun sharing info and being HELPFUL.[/QUOTE]I see both sides of the issue. There is little chance that I'll help those who don't purchase a membership (sorry, takers-not-givers are not welcome here). There's a tremendous chance I'll help any newb member (that includes long-time members who post in other country's forums) in PM. Once he's a giver, I'll help him anywhere.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1684736]Tanks.

ISG makes money from advertisement and the cost it charges is probably based on how many people visit the forum. [/QUOTE]Advertisement? What advertisement? Never seen it.

Arrived in Palawan yesterday and rented a motorbike (peso 600 per day). I spent the entire morning following my GPS to look for gyms but to no avail. I'm beginning to think there isn't one here. If anyone has any good info on one, please share.

YM.

I'm sitting in Equss KTV. It's 7:30 PM and not a soul in sight. Man or woman. This is going to be a hard stay in Palawan!

YM.

Well, that's because you are way to early. No one shows up at those places until at least 9 pm. Try Phoenix near the entrance to the airport and next to the Hotel. Again, you are too early but the best place in PP.

And I recommend that you forget about finding a gym.

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1686032]I'm sitting in Equss KTV. It's 7:30 PM and not a soul in sight. Man or woman. This is going to be a hard stay in Palawan!

YM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1685928]Arrived in Palawan yesterday and rented a motorbike (peso 600 per day). I spent the entire morning following my GPS to look for gyms but to no avail. I'm beginning to think there isn't one here. If anyone has any good info on one, please share.

YM.[/QUOTE]Improvise. Buy a rope and do some car pulling, hang ups, push ups and sit ups. Buy hermetics 40 kg of tuna, 20 kg in 2 shopping bags and you have freeweights for biceps, triceps and breasts. And don't forget interval training in combination with pumping a small pinays pussy (I recomend 3 min pumping, 2 min rest (she can blow you or you can DATY), 6/7 repeats (while pumping in mish you can also incl push ups ofcourse). Abdomino, back and stamina is taken care off. No need for a gym.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1686076]Improvise. Buy a rope and do some car pulling, hang ups, push ups and sit ups. Buy hermetics 40 kg of tuna, 20 kg in 2 shopping bags and you have freeweights for biceps, triceps and breasts. And don't forget interval training in combination with pumping a small pinays pussy (I recomend 3 min pumping, 2 min rest (she can blow you or you can DATY), 6/7 repeats (while pumping in mish you can also incl push ups ofcourse). Abdomino, back and stamina is taken care off. No need for a gym.[/QUOTE]Your a funny man Skogis! I left Equss and came back three hours later and the girls are sitting in the exact same places with their mobile phones in hand. This place sucks! Got to hit social networks to see if I can round something up.

YM.

I am presuming you are in Puerto Princesa?

If, indeed that is your location, allow me to note that the KTV's in PP suck and generally empty of clients and attractive girls. Phoenix, the night I visited, was virtually empty except for me and about 15 girls. Since they do a model show when someone shows up, this mitigates the boredom, if and when you choose a girl to buy a LD. After a discussion, prepare to pay a high BF plus your tip / fee for the girl. Since this a Monday, I would expect things to be quite dead almost anywhere but at least you should find some talent at Phoenix. The girls live on the top floor of the building and are not allowed out after their shift, but during the day, something could potentially be arranged by the discrete punter.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1686061]Well, that's because you are way to early. No one shows up at those places until at least 9 pm. Try Phoenix near the entrance to the airport and next to the Hotel. Again, you are too early but the best place in PP.

And I recommend that you forget about finding a gym.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1686119]Your a funny man Skogis! I left Equss and came back three hours later and the girls are sitting in the exact same places with their mobile phones in hand. This place sucks! Got to hit social networks to see if I can round something up.

YM.[/QUOTE]My intentions was all humoristic, glad you aknowledge Hit DIA, Filipino Cupid, Pinalove, We Chat, Badoo etc and I hope you will be fine. I have fucked a few birds from Palawan but they were Makati based when the nailing happened. So I guess they also fuck in Palawan (never been there myself though). Keep us up to date how atleast your networking is playing along.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1686233]My intentions was all humoristic, glad you aknowledge Hit DIA, Filipino Cupid, Pinalove, We Chat, Badoo etc and I hope you will be fine. I have fucked a few birds from Palawan but they were Makati based when the nailing happened. So I guess they also fuck in Palawan (never been there myself though). Keep us up to date how atleast your networking is playing along.[/QUOTE]Just a quick update on Equss. It is located on Rizal Ave not far from the airport. The girls are not there to dance. It is a KTV so the owner allows them to sit around all night and play with their phones. Occasionally, a few of them would grab the mic and sing a few songs of karaoke. The bad thing about this is you cannot really checkout all of the girls well because they are spread-out all over the KTV bar and light is limited inside.

The twenty or so girls were not aggressive and allowed customers to come and go without even having talked to them. On three occasions customers came in, ordered drinks, showed obvious interest, but were ignored. Kind of like I was most of the night. If you are looking for fast-paced excitement, Equss is not the bar for you unless you want to grab the mic and sing along with the girls.

Around midnight I decided to wave a girl over to my table. Jack Daniels told me that if I was going to get anywhere with these girls, I would have to be the aggressive one. She came over and the waiter was hovering over us almost before her ass settled into her seat. Her name was Cris, a 22 yr old girl fairly well put together. Cris went from having been damn near comatose sitting at the table with the other girls, to a wildcat in a matter of minutes. She became really playful and seemed to be enjoying herself as she moved in close like a GF and gave me lots of attention. I was amazed! Jack Daniels was right.

After, she consumed one SM Light, three shots of tequila, two juice drinks, and two orders of chicken (which her many friends helped her eat) she proposed to me and said that she could be all mine for the low price of Peso 3500. Having done my homework and read the forum here at ISG, I knew the going rate was 3000. She looked when I informed her of this. She even asked how I knew this if I had just arrived the previous day? I told her it was a secret. She excepted my offer of 3000 and disappeared to get dressed. The waiter approached me with the bill. All Peso 6100 of it. Cheap compared to what one would have paid in some countries, but by no means as cheap as it could have been in other parts of the Philippines.

After I paid, the waiter informed me that my new wife was dressed and waiting for me in front of the building. I met her outside and we climbed on my motorbike and proceeded to my hotel (I'll post later about the hotel). Without so much as a glance from the hotel staff, I was able to usher her into the elevator and into my room where we both took showers and fucked like rabbits for what seemed to Jack and me like hours, but was probably only twenty or thirty minutes. Cowgirl, missionary, and doggy. She was not a shy girl. She even got so excited she sat on my face for a bit and ground her pussy onto my mouth while supporting herself with her legs. I have to say, that is the first time a Filipina has done that to me, and I have been coming to the Philippines for over a decade. It was a good experience.

We snuggled afterwards and she tried to convince me to go away to her province with her for a few days (seriously, no joke). I declined and asked her for a divorce. We settled on Peso 600 as a one-time alimony payment. I walked her to the elevator and out of the hotel, and then I went back to my room to crash hard.

Will I see her again? It depends on how good internet hookups are to me. But I have no doubt I will be dreaming of her when I leave this place.

YM.

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1686032]I'm sitting in Equss KTV. It's 7:30 PM and not a soul in sight. Man or woman. This is going to be a hard stay in Palawan!

YM.[/QUOTE]Yella,

I stand by my advice posted earlier that Puerto Princessa is a strictly BYO girl place. Many visits there over the last 10 years informed my opinion. I was surprised to hear a former supposed Puerto visitor refer to 'expat bars'. Sorry you were misled.

If you are happy with Filipinas close to your own age whatever it is, I am sure any remote province in the Phils can be fertile ground, but PP has zero Bar culture.

Good luck on your quest for a Gym. Your only realistic hope is a spartan boxing gym. If some new style modern gym would be in the Robinsons Mall area heading north to Roxas. That is the growth area of the city.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1686337]Yella,

I stand by my advice posted earlier that Puerto Princessa is a strictly BYO girl place. Many visits there over the last 10 years informed my opinion. I was surprised to hear a former supposed Puerto visitor refer to 'expat bars'. Sorry you were misled.

If you are happy with Filipinas close to your own age whatever it is, I am sure any remote province in the Phils can be fertile ground, but PP has zero Bar culture.

Good luck on your quest for a Gym. Your only realistic hope is a spartan boxing gym. If some new style modern gym would be in the Robinsons Mall area heading north to Roxas. That is the growth area of the city.[/QUOTE]Pantot,

You are right about there being no bar scene here, but the internet sub-culture is ripe for the picking. I have a girl coming over tonight, compliments of social media. I have a few others on the hook but I will take my time and reel them in slowly. There are definitely some women here willing to play. They are just not in the bars, so use all resources available.

YM.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1686061]Well, that's because you are way to early. No one shows up at those places until at least 9 pm. Try Phoenix near the entrance to the airport and next to the Hotel. Again, you are too early but the best place in PP.

And I recommend that you forget about finding a gym.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tomasb! People keep telling me there are gyms here, but I haven't found one yet. But you are right about going out early. Equss open at 7 PM but the girls don't show up until 8 PM. And no customers show up until after 10 PM. The early bird does not get the worm in Puerto Princesa.

YM.

[QUOTE=YellaMan;1686323]
We snuggled afterwards and she tried to convince me to go away to her province with her for a few days (seriously, no joke). I declined and asked her for a divorce. We settled on Peso 600 as a one-time alimony payment. I walked her to the elevator and out of the hotel, and then I went back to my room to crash hard.

Will I see her again? It depends on how good internet hookups are to me. But I have no doubt I will be dreaming of her when I leave this place.

YM.[/QUOTE]I am glad your alimoney payment worked out. The word on the streets is that you got off easy as I hear these things don't come cheap in phils, hehe.

KTV, hehe, I am a nube in the KTV world but regarding your KTV tactics this was pretty much what happened to me and my drinking buddy in Beijing approx 1 year ago. Bare in mind I was at the time completely shit faced so after beeing to some clubs we ended up in a KTV not far from the Lufthansa building (I remember that one). Well inside there were no customers only some girlie staffs and some brutal big bouncers. I remember I thought I had ended up in prison as the girls wore black and white striped dresses and could easily been inmates. We were escorted to a room and a manager came and took our orders. The girls did not make a move just sitting by themself not even making convos. Instead of sittting alone in the room with my buddy I wanted some girls and told the manager to arrange a line up. All the girls, 10 or so, lined up and we picked two who joined us in the booth. Did not check prices or anything (we were drunk), ordered some btl of whiskey and vodka and the girls started to sing.

In a toilet break I saw the rest of the girls just sitting without anything to do looking like they want to kill themself out of boredom. After some interaction (mildly sexual I state, touching, DFK) in the booth the manager came and asked if it was ok with us the rest of the girls came inside. The more the merrier I thought so why not thinking this was just so the girls did interact and so they could have a bit of fun. It was fun by all means atleast until we had to split arranging the two first ones to join us back to our humble hotel. I was surprised when the check arrived as they wanted 16 k people money. I called the manager to our room just to verify the price telling him in an ironic way I thought he did forget to add something to our bill and statement like "I thought we had to pay for the rest of the girls too" was fired along. Manager told me we did have to pay for all the girls and that wad ofcourse allready added into the bill. He proudly said that the fingerfood and snacks was left out of the bill as it was on the house. Thank you so much. My initial thought accepting the girls into our booth was only as in a social welfare program. I was mildly thinking to make scene complaining but chose based on the size of the bouncers present, who at this stage of the night was surprisingly close to us, to just calm it down, pay, get the girls dressed and leave. Probably a clever choice. My biggest worries was anyway I was drunk and out of vitamins (usualy I use kamagra as a safety precaution) so I thought I might get trouble performing later on.

We hit VICS before wrapping it up in our hotel. I woke up on the bathroom floor in the afternoon and no girl was to be seen. If I fucked her or not I have no idea and if she upon leaving helped herself with some "taximoney" from my jeanspocket I have no idea. But I still had some peoples money left so why not take all if you first have access to it all.

KTV sucks in general. Just kidding. But it is not my style..

[QUOTE=Skogis;1686680]I am glad your alimoney payment worked out.

KTV sucks in general. Just kidding. But it is not my style..[/QUOTE]Interesting story Skogis. The stuff we do for a piece of tail.

The girl from Equss KTV keeps blowing up my phone with texts trying to get me to come back there. I'm pretty sure our divorce is final. Unless she wants to re-negotiate fees.

YM.

I finally found a gym here in Puerto Princesa. It is not a very good gym by anyone's standards, but if you are a hardcore gym nut like me, what little equipment they do have can be put to use to get a moderate pump.

It's located in the City Coliseum on the 3rd floor. Take a towel because they don't have any, and wet naps to wipe down the machines before you use them unless you want to use the shared rag laying on the floor. I'll look for a better gym while I'm here and post more later.

YM.

So given there is no bar scene worth mentioning here on the island, I have resorted to using a mobile app called WeChat. It's not a secret because others have posted about their luck using the same app. If you haven't tried it and your traveling outside of bar-scene locations, I highly recommend it. It lists people who are using the app within 10 k of your immediate area. Just send a greeting to girls you find interesting and wait for the replies.

I pulled beautiful Ms. Kim (doubtful that is her name) off the app and into my room last night. Full service included whatever I wanted to do, including anal. So check this approach out punters. Once you weed out the many ladyboys who use the app, you can strike gold!

I'm meeting another outside tonight. She's bringing friends because she is shy. I like shy. They usually turn into wildcats in the bedroom. Happy hunting!

YM.

Not that anyone comes here, but I thought I'd provide a note on changes at Goldenfield's for the few that might be passing through.

Anyway, the cluster of girlie bars at Goldenfield's is in the process of shutting down, a land developer having taken it over and being in the process of converting it to retail. All of the bars in the main strip, with the exception of Bunny Ranch and Golden Shadow are now vacant. Sapphire, located a bit further down next to Kundatel and across from MO2, also remains open, under the same management as Bunny Ranch.

Last time I was in Bunny Ranch in January, the price of the VIP room had increased to 2000. Includes four beverages and the company of girl (s) to be paid separately. Last girl I was with there was happy with 500 for full service. I assume take-out remains extravagant, haven't inquired since 2013 when it was 3500+. I don't patronize the Golden Shadow since a shooting there, but I know Filipinos who seem to enjoy it, I believe the prices are lower, and the shooting was a while ago, but I avoid it anyway. Left a bad taste in my mouth, as the best pizzeria in the city, next door closed down after two cops died there. I digress.

Also of now there is a soapy massage, past Kundatel adjacent to Moonlight short-time hotel. I believe the name is Duke's. From what I gather, it's a branch of an exiting establishment in Cebu. 1900 for massage plus whatever you negotiate with the girl for extra. Tried it once, fun but not worth a repeat. The girl I got was pretty but "shy", and wanted 2000 for anything other than a handjob ending (included in the base price) I laughed and passed. HJ ending was not bad, enjoyable, touching allowed but not digits. 2000 for covered FS in addition to the 1900 already paid seemed ridiculous. Services are off premises, they give you a ride to a local short-time hotel (usually Moonlight, right next door,) with whom they have an arrangement. Anyway, it's there if that's your thing.

Finally, the outside bar across from Chicken Alley (really just a mamasan with some local girls who don't want to be recognized in the dance bars their dads go to) continues to exist, this is where I usually go for relief if a regular is not available, I pay 1000 there for short time, of which the mamasan take a cut so not unreasonable. Went there a couple of weeks ago and the regular mama was not there so they tried to charge me 3000. Just explained that 1000 was the price I usually paid and it was that or nothing, and it magically became 2/3 less. Anything the traffic will bear, I guess.

I can't really recommend Negrense or Nuat Thai massage, on the front and back of the area, respectively, as in the ten or twelve times I've been there for a legitimate massage, I was once (once) offered "extra", which resulted in fucking a chubby 6 on the massage table for 1000 tip. Hit or miss.

As far as hotels, if you want to be adjacent to the little action there is, stay at Sugarland. If you want to be near what food and shopping Bacolod has to offer, try L'Fisher (near the good restaurants) or La Planta (nicer, IMO, and closer to Goldenfield but farther from the good restaurants, their own restaurant is actually pretty decent.) The new Ayala up near Silay has some actual passable food but it's a bit of a ride, and the mall food court at the newly-renovated SM Mall isn't terrible. If you are on a tight budget, Saltimboca pension on 16th is okay, and they have a small pool and a nice garden. Check-Inn downtown is also cheap and has an interesting roof garden, right next to SM. There are plenty of others, but those I recommend, marginally. Most of the best restaurants (a relative term) in the city are in the strip from about 14th to 21st on Lacson, L'Fisher is right on 14th.

If you are here on your way to Sipalay, I recommend Sulu Sunset, very nice management, and good prices, or Taka Tuka for a bit more upscale / artsy-fartsy and expensive. Driftwood also isn't bad, but their internet was hit or miss last few times I was there. If you don't BYO (recommended) the guy who runs the tourism office in Sipalay can hook you up with local girls, service charge "up to you."

The best hotel in the area is the Ciriaco. Stayed there for four nights in January 2014. My GF's family is from the area (now ex-GF). The weather was so bad during my stay that we did not venture out much, only to visit the family compounds. But the Ciriaco was reasonably priced and the food ranged from ok to a little below average. Probably the best you can expect in this part of the PI. They even had a singer at the restaurant for dinner every night, which was grating after awhile.

[URL]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g2046206-d2011907-Reviews-Ciriaco_Hotel-Calbayog_City_Samar_Island_Visayas.html[/URL]

Not exactly a tourist destination, although it is supposed to be the surfing center of the PI. Meet your Mindanao GF here or bring your own girl. Stay at the Tavern Hotel, great seaview rooms, good breakfast buffet, cable, wifi. In Surigao there is no cinema, no Starbucks, nothing much going for this place except peace and quiet. Am here for 3 nights with a friend, and have mastered taking the jeepney to Gaisano, which is about 5 miles from this hotel. There are resorts around the area, but I chose this hotel for the view, plus I am on a budget. Yeah, ok, I'm cheap. They pick you up from the airport in a van, and will take you back for your flight also.

Another point: if you fly PAL, you will be in a turbine prop plane (Bombardier Q400). Geez, first time I have flown in a plane older than me! Things are cheap. My girl got her hair cut for 60 p.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1690903]Things are cheap. My girl got her hair cut for 60 p.[/QUOTE]Not bad. Reyes Haircutters in posh Makati will do the same for p50. :P

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1691089]Not bad. Reyes Haircutters in posh Makati will do the same for p50. :P[/QUOTE]Butuan. On Montilla Blvd. Across the street from Karaga hotel, half a block south, is a salon / barbershop. I've stayed at Karaga a number of times, and the place is visible from the room balcony, a whopping 30-40 meters away. In my time there, I see the same young man and woman open the place and close the place daily. I've never seen a customer go in / out of the place. So last year I walk in for a haircut and the price list on the wall said p30. My hair is very short, any barber can use the electric clippers to cut my hair in 3 minutes. The gent barber took his time and chatted me up for about 15 minutes while cutting my hair with electric clippers. He then used a straight-edge blade to trim the hair on my head near my ears, then my sideburns. He put a lotion on those areas. He put a talcum powder on my head. The usual conversation: "Where you from sir?" Like that.

When he was done I handed him more than p30 and walked out the door. I felt, at p30, that I had stolen a haircut; especially since he had given his time in earnest talk with me. He was putting the money in the till as I left. I was about 5 steps out the door, on the street, when I heard him behind me: "Sir. Your money. " I turned to see him holding some coins for me. You keep it lang. "But sir: Your money!" His eyebrows furrowed, his head cocked to one side. Seriously he was not getting the idea that I was tipping him, so I said it out loud: My tip to you lang.

He still didn't smile, he just said "OK. Thank you sir", and stared at me as I turned to walk away towards the Jollibee for lunch.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1691105]. . .<SNIP>

When he was done I handed him more than p30 and walked out the door. I felt, at p30, that I had stolen a haircut; especially since he had given his time in earnest talk with me. He was putting the money in the till as I left. I was about 5 steps out the door, on the street, when I heard him behind me: "Sir. Your money. " I turned to see him holding some coins for me. You keep it lang. "But sir: Your money!" His eyebrows furrowed, his head cocked to one side. Seriously he was not getting the idea that I was tipping him, so I said it out loud: My tip to you lang.

He still didn't smile, he just said "OK. Thank you sir", and stared at me as I turned to walk away towards the Jollibee for lunch.[/QUOTE]Haircuts are like taxis; very cheap in the Phils.

Robinsons Galleria and Shangri-la Mall (in Ortigas, for example), have simple barber shops that charge 120 php for haircut that includes all the things Westy mentioned as well as a good hard upper back, shoulder and arm massage as well. Bruno's gives you a more deluxe service for 200 php but still the same haircut. Pinoy barbers also give an excellent shave and facial treatment; again, it's very cheap relative to what I would pay back in Oz.

I cannot see how much profit is made given the number of cutters at work and the sort of rents these places must pay.

I suspect the barbers don't get much salary per customer, so most customers tip them; even the locals tip too.

Arrived on CP A319 or A320. I assumed the runway was repaired. The private jet that was blown off the runway January 19 was still there stuck in the mud. Kind of weird on landing as the plane heavily brakes to the end of the runway and 50 more feet and you are into the water. Then the plane turns around to head to the gate. Baggage comes quickly and off to transportation! Many hawkers there. I asked an American if he had been here before. The answer was affirmative so I asked if I could just shadow him. We ended up taking a Jeepney for P50 each to downtown. Jeepney was full and big bags were loaded on the roof. Half way there the jeepney stops. It started to rain lightly so the bags came off the roof and into the jeepney. Everyone was helpful and nice.

Stayed at Hotel XYZ. About $67 a night. Very nice hotel. Brought my own girl. Part 2 coming later.

I don't have any previous point of comparison, but the city is fully up and running. Spent most of my stay with a black beauty I met off a dating site. 23 years old, never been with a foreigner, only 1 previous BF. Hadn't been kissed in 2 years, never been kissed properly. And definitely hadn't ever seen the back of a guy's head in her lap. Ate most of my other meals at Guiseppe's on Avenida Veteranos. No reason to go anywhere else, some of the best grub I've had in the PI. But all that wasn't enough to make me want to stay. What a dump. Noisy, smokey, ugly. And many of the merchants, including hotels, sure don't mind taking advantage of a bad situation. Prices on most everything are jacked up and some locals I talked to aren't liking it much either. Friendly enough girls though. A few cuties working the retail stores, but you don't see allot roaming around for some reason. And the Robinsons way outside of the city proper is civilized and modern.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1692080] No reason to go anywhere else, some of the best grub I've had in the PI. But all that wasn't enough to make me want to stay. What a dump. Noisy, smokey, ugly. And many of the merchants, including hotels, sure don't mind taking advantage of a bad situation. Prices on most everything are jacked up and some locals I talked to aren't liking it much either. [/QUOTE]When I was there in August I was told there were upwards of five thousand UN, military, and NGO foreign workers in town. This was driving prices up so that locals were even being pinched in grocery stores, let alone being able to afford restaurant prices.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1692080] And the Robinsons way outside of the city proper is civilized and modern.[/QUOTE]I should clarify, excuse me. What I meant to say was the song selection and noise level was much more manageable to me, as opposed to the small, old Gaisano downtown. There the jams and unintelligible announcements every minute were blaring so loud through the blown out speakers, you'd have to shout to talk to someone standing next to you. And ya, Skip. I'd be lucky to get a seat in that restaurant I mentioned. Packed house every night. I'd see groups of American accent guys laughin it up with their drinks in one hand and pinay in the other. They won't give you a glass of service water, it was p60 for a bottle of mineral water.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1692067]Arrived on CP A319 or A320. I assumed the runway was repaired. The private jet that was blown off the runway January 19 was still there stuck in the mud. Kind of weird on landing as the plane heavily brakes to the end of the runway and 50 more feet and you are into the water. Then the plane turns around to head to the gate. Baggage comes quickly and off to transportation! Many hawkers there. I asked an American if he had been here before. The answer was affirmative so I asked if I could just shadow him. We ended up taking a Jeepney for P50 each to downtown. Jeepney was full and big bags were loaded on the roof. Half way there the jeepney stops. It started to rain lightly so the bags came off the roof and into the jeepney. Everyone was helpful and nice.

Stayed at Hotel XYZ. About $67 a night. Very nice hotel. Brought my own girl. Part 2 coming later.[/QUOTE]Sorry for 2 part report. My Manila girl showed early while I was doing the report.

The restaurant at Hotel XYZ is one of the best in Philippines. Kind of surprised as for some reason I was expecting quality in Tacloban. Bad assumption on my part.

I did not see any UN or NGO people around nor any evidence of donor money in any reconstruction. Hard press to see any reconstruction other than ones done by private owners rebuilding on their own. Even the central Aid office was closed. Sad state of affairs for the people.

I went and looked at the temporary housing. 2 x 4 framing on concrete blocks. Corrugated sheet metal for roof. Walls are woven bamboo sheets as thick as wallpaper. 40 mph wind and the walls are over with. 60 mph winds and the roofs are flying off! Theses houses have been almost finished for months but Manila government won't let anybody move in yet.

Amazing how cleaned up the city is. There is a lot of activity downtown. Anyway I did not see any beautiful women around but I did not go to Robinson Mall either. Bring your own if you come here.

If you are not interested in posts with no direct reports or advice for the old in-out, in-out, you should scroll past this post.

This could as easily have gone in the general information thread, but since Dg started this discussion, I offer it as follow-up information. Dg commented on the ridiculously flimsy temporary housing for Tacloban's victims of Typhoon Hiayan, which has yet to be opened by the government. Assuming that Dg recently viewed the same housing I saw in August 2014, I would offer some additional discouraging observations.

First, most of the units are ridiculously small, and much of the living area is on bare ground subject to rain runoff. Second, the framing is of coconut wood, which is among the weakest lumbers anywhere. Third, although some of the units are larger, built entirely up off the ground, and lined with thin plastic sheeting, the smaller units, which are not lined with plastic, will be subject to wind-blown rain penetrating the walls, even if the walls withstand the winds that Dg predicts. Fourth, the only CR facilities are community toilets and showers near the back of the development, and in August they appeared to have no running water. This probably means that toilets will be flushed and showers administered by hand using a tabo to scoop water from a large bucket. If there is no running water, this means water will need to be carried in to keep the buckets full.

Most important, this relocation site, reportedly meant to house the many families in tent cities near the airport, is about six km from town and has no employment, schools, or public transportation (jeepneys) to offer. Is it any wonder that homeless people choose to squat along the shoreline of the port, precisely where thousands drowned in November 2013?

Although this seems far afield of ISG's purpose, I think it illuminates several aspects of life in the Philippines. First, it reflects the total failure of governmental action that is often referenced in posts in the Phils forum. Second, the conditions in these flimsy huts are similar to, and perhaps better than, the conditions in which the families live of many of the poor women that ISGers pursue. Third, it reflects the perpetual dynamics of futility and fatalism—of poverty-stricken masses and political complacency--that pervade the Philippines.

But it's more fun in the Philippines.

I have files containing photos of some of the things Dg and I have described, but ISG is fighting my upload efforts. Maybe files are too big. I will try later.

Skip and Dg. My girl lived in another province, but we visited where her family was staying. Not anywhere near the airport, but way out, around 15 km. There were a couple of these places we passed along the way. It didn't even occur to me to ask if this was the temp housing provided, other things on my mind I suppose. Slightly different than you described, but is this what you guys are talking about? They're also located in just a miserable place. That highway is hell. Dusty and noisy and rough, full of almost nothing but trucks. And ya, they can not even get a jeep out of there during the day, after say 9:00 AM. They load up to the roof in the mornings and head into the city. After that, they're stuck out there. Oh ya, and no electricity.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1695468]Skip and Dg. My girl lived in another province, but we visited where her family was staying. Not anywhere near the airport, but way out, around 15 km. There were a couple of these places we passed along the way. It didn't even occur to me to ask if this was the temp housing provided, other things on my mind I suppose. Slightly different than you described, but is this what you guys are talking about? They're also located in just a miserable place. That highway is hell. Dusty and noisy and rough, full of almost nothing but trucks. And ya, they can not even get a jeep out of there during the day, after say 9:00 AM. They load up to the roof in the mornings and head into the city. After that, they're stuck out there. Oh ya, and no electricity.[/QUOTE]That is pretty much the type of construction except the 1 x 4's are spaced further apart. The ones I saw were way out of town on a dirt road and spaced about 5 feet from each other. The house sits on cement piers like that. What was odd was that the floor for the attached 4' x 5' CR was a rough finish cement slab about 16-18 inches thick! With that much cement they could have poured a 3" thick foundation for the whole 12' x 14' house. The CR looked like an after thought and of course no running water to the house. The insides were unfinished, meaning no kitchen counters, rough sawn wood floors just an empty shell. These houses have sat unfinished and vacant for 6 months or more. It pretty much looked like the builder ran out of money. Now they are slowly letting families move in if they will finish the homes. Not a lot of money for us to finish the homes, 4-5 K but a fortune to them.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1695468]Skip and Dg. My girl lived in another province, but we visited where her family was staying. Not anywhere near the airport, but way out, around 15 km. There were a couple of these places we passed along the way. It didn't even occur to me to ask if this was the temp housing provided, other things on my mind I suppose. Slightly different than you described, but is this what you guys are talking about? They're also located in just a miserable place. That highway is hell. Dusty and noisy and rough, full of almost nothing but trucks. And ya, they can not even get a jeep out of there during the day, after say 9:00 AM. They load up to the roof in the mornings and head into the city. After that, they're stuck out there. Oh ya, and no electricity.[/QUOTE]Looks similar Sam, except that your roofs are thatched nipa, and mine were galvanized, like Dg describes. When I was there in August there were not yet any houses up against the highway, only back about 300 meters off the road. But I suppose they could have backfilled. One of your photos appears to have open sewer ditches, which is what I thought were being dug when I was there. Anyway, here are my photos.

Photo 1 shows the simplest and smallest shelters. Imagine a family sleeping in the one small room that has a wooden floor. Cooking, presumably on a small charcoal grill, gets carried out in the covered area on bare ground.

Photo 2 shows the galvanized roof over the shelter. Imagine the heat in the summer under the galvanized roof.

Photo 3 shows the construction up close: woven bamboo walls on flimsy framing made of coconut palm wood, among the weakest of all lumber. This is not unlike homes throughout rural Philippines, except that those are more likely to have thatched roofs of nipa rather than galvanized metal.

Photo 4: A few larger units have two rooms, one presumably for sleeping and one for everything else. Both rooms have floors, and walls are lined with thin plastic sheeting, probably to keep wind-blown rain from penetrating through the outside walls. But check out the cracks in the floor of rough-sawed planks. The smaller units with no plastic sheeting will be very vulnerable to water being pushed through the exterior walls during windy rain.

Photo 5: A community CR, one in a line of about four shower units and four toilet units. No signs of running water, so perhaps toilets will be flushed and showers administered by hand from a tabo of water scooped out of a large bucket. This means water will be carried in by hand to keep the large bucket filled. Dg reports that the units he saw had CRs attached. What I saw had no attached CRs, only these community CRs and showers at the back of the relocation site.

Photo 6: The alternative; by August 2014, nine months after the typhoon, fisherfolk building back squatter shacks at the waterfront of the former Tacloban port, exactly where thousands drowned in Typhoon Haiyan, November 2013. The government claims it is enforcing the "no build" buffer zone. Sure it is. But at least here these poor families can find minimal livelihoods (informal economy, of course), schools, and public transportation (jeepneys) nearby. Can we blame them for not wanting to move six kilometers (or maybe 15, if Sam is right) out of town at the government's temporary relocation site where livelihood, schools and transportation are not available?

Obviously there could be more than one such relocation sites. Why are they being built way away from Tacloban? According to my sources, the Romauldez family (Imelda Marcos' nephew is Mayor of Tacloban) and their associates have access to other sites in the city, but they are holding onto them because of potential future value. So the riff-raff homeless get relocated to nowhere.

Welcome to the Philippines. As I pointed out in the previous post, as crude as these seem, they are not unlike living conditions for the rural families of many of the Pinays that ISGers chase in AC, Cebu, LA Cafe, and elsewhere.

I had planned to go to Alona beach (from Cebu) back in Dec. , but Typhoon Seniang put an end to that. I'm going to try again later this month. I haven't been there in over five years. Any tips / advice?

I will bring my own lady and will likely use Ocean Jet. We plan to stay two nights. Last time I stayed at ISIS bungalows (unfortunate name) and liked it a lot. Seems hard to get a booking now, so any alternative hotel recommendation would be appreciated.

What is a fair price for taxi from Tag to the beach? BTW, I'm a snorkeler rather than a diver. I read somewhere that php2000 is about right for a boat hire. Is that right?

Any info would be appreciated. And here is the link to the Ocean Jet schedule. When I went there last time, there were only three rides a day. I guess business is good.

[URL]http://www.oceanjet.net/fare-and-schedule/cebu-tagbilaran[/URL]

X.

Arrived Friday night and as expected the little princess was waiting in her tight dress and high heels at the airport. Christ she looked good!

Slim and brown with bum that I love to slap.

Rushed back to the house and had my cock in her mouth before the door was closed. This little powerhouse is just amazing. The whole neighborhood must have heard her screams! 3 hours of amazing sex followed before I crashed out!

Next day was much the same. I love the provincial girls! Could not do enough for me, cooking and laundry and massage and sex on tap!

Following day I had a walk round Robinson's on my own. A few girls there but nothing to compare with what I have so declined the offers.

Tuesday I was walking about the square downtown, Montilla street or something. Plenty available there for the guys who want them. Took a couple of numbers, more out of habit than necessity but always good to have emergency back up!

Should have some time to myself later so will do some more hunting!

[QUOTE=XMan;1695727]I had planned to go to Alona beach (from Cebu) back in Dec. , but Typhoon Seniang put an end to that. I'm going to try again later this month. I haven't been there in over five years. Any tips / advice?

I will bring my own lady and will likely use Ocean Jet. We plan to stay two nights. Last time I stayed at ISIS bungalows (unfortunate name) and liked it a lot. Seems hard to get a booking now, so any alternative hotel recommendation would be appreciated.

What is a fair price for taxi from Tag to the beach? BTW, I'm a snorkeler rather than a diver. I read somewhere that php2000 is about right for a boat hire. Is that right?

Any info would be appreciated. And here is the link to the Ocean Jet schedule. When I went there last time, there were only three rides a day. I guess business is good.

[URL]http://www.oceanjet.net/fare-and-schedule/cebu-tagbilaran[/URL]

X.[/QUOTE]I just came back from Bohol and there are 3 different fast craft companies serving the Cebu to Tagbilaran route so many choices and times. Buy a sun star newspaper and they have all the scheduled departure times listed. I stayed at cherry Home two and it was nice with a good pool at about 1200 a night. Its walking distance to Alona beach but not on the beach. I paid 300 pesos for a trike from the Port to alona beach and a taxie would be a bit higher.

Hai Sweetheart, I miss you. Are you ok?

"I get water near the mountain. No water at home me and my brother, sister and my mother".

No water there Baby?

"Yeah. There a water but far in the house".

Is that the place I was at Baby? Is that temp housing provided by the government after Yolanda?

"Yes it is, but its ok. Even its hard to wash clothes because of no water".

How many minutes walk one direction?

"Half hour,"
"Its ok don't worry.."

[QUOTE=Sam14;1696596]Hai Sweetheart, I miss you. Are you ok?

"I get water near the mountain. No water at home me and my brother, sister and my mother".

No water there Baby?

"Yeah. There a water but far in the house".

Is that the place I was at Baby? Is that temp housing provided by the government after Yolanda?

"Yes it is, but its ok. Even its hard to wash clothes because of no water".

How many minutes walk one direction?

"Half hour,"
"Its ok don't worry.."[/QUOTE]I think in the existing barangay it costs 5-10 pesos for 5 gallons of water at the working well. The temp housing do not have wells. Even many of the Yolanda damaged water wells are not up and running. I talked to one barangay captain and they needed P30-40 k to install a new well, pump and water storage tank to service 200 families.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1696616] I talked to one barangay captain and they needed P30-40 k to install a new well, pump and water storage tank to service 200 families.[/QUOTE]Maybe someone who knows Bill Gates can talk to him. See if he's willing to divert some funds from the IJM (who he donates heavily to / underwrites) to sponsoring a few new wells. Oh, but wait, that might not garner any sensational headlines; sorry, my bad for bringing it up.

[QUOTE=FatBruce;1696074]

Following day I had a walk round Robinson's on my own. A few girls there but nothing to compare with what I have so declined the offers.

Tuesday I was walking about the square downtown, Montilla street or something. Plenty available there for the guys who want them. Took a couple of numbers, more out of habit than necessity but always good to have emergency back up!

Should have some time to myself later so will do some more hunting![/QUOTE]That's interesting what you say about Butuan. When I have looked at airfares it seems much cheaper to fly into Butuan. For my upcoming travel dates I saw return airfares from Manila to Butuan for $158 but to Surigao was $250.

I still decided on Surigao as my girl is there.

Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1699610]That's interesting what you say about Butuan. When I have looked at airfares it seems much cheaper to fly into Butuan. For my upcoming travel dates I saw return airfares from Manila to Butuan for $158 but to Surigao was $250.

I still decided on Surigao as my girl is there.

Thanks for the update.[/QUOTE]Fat Bruce. May I know the hotel you stayed at in Butuan? I am planning to travel there in November and would like to be close to the malls / shopping.

BrainDrain. I was in Surigao city a few weeks ago. Flew MNL-SUR on PAL. The plane they use is a propeller type aircraft (I posted it earlier) with very little room for carryon baggage. I stayed at the Tavern Hotel, which is right on the water. If you have not been there before, there are no taxis, no cinemas, no Starbx. You have to take a jeepney to Gaisano mall. The hotel is relateively cheap and has a pretty good buffet breakfast, along with good cable channels on the TVs. Enjoy. See my view from my room, and the staff at the front desk.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1699651]Fat Bruce. May I know the hotel you stayed at in Butuan? I am planning to travel there in November and would like to be close to the malls / shopping.
BrainDrain. [/QUOTE]There is one modestly mid-high end hotel, Altamont Inland resort ($100+/ night). Decent rooms, nice pool, nice resto. Its across the street from Dottie's Place (a step down to definitely middle of the road, but with a pool, nice outdoor buffet breakfast next to the pool, and standard spartan roomsm and wifi is only available in the lobby and outside near the pool / breakfast area, not inside the rooms -- maddening) P2000-2500. Both of these places are between the two malls. There is a newer Robinson's mall (only 3 floors, and you can walk all 3 floors in 10 minutes) just a few blocks west of the hotels, fairly clean and air-con'd. The opposite direction from both hotels about 1 mile is the older Gaisano Mall (no aircon, but with movie theaters upstairs).

Just north of Gaisano in the rotunda (city hall) is Balanghai Hotel / Convention center, with pool (p2500/ night). Much like Dotties, a bit older, rooms are dated, free breakfast in restaurant, but with good wifi in the room.

Further east is the downtown area (Montilla Blvd, running north / south), just a few blocks from the river. There are several bland / lower-end hotels here, including Karaga (p1400) and VCDU Prince (p950) Hotels. Karaga has a good resto with a good menu. Across the street is Wegool resto, good sizzling meals (fasjitas).

Also downtown by the city square is Altamont Hotel, a sister hotel to the above-mentioned hotel (P2500).

There is little-to-no 'nightlife', other than perhaps a decent live-band joint called Woodstock (between Gaisano mall and Montilla Blvd).

Hi, Alona Beach is nice and recovered from the typhoon and everything else. I recommend you to stay in a resort right by the beach. I stayed at Regents and it was not good at all. Snorkeling costs around p1000 including the fees. I took.

A boat right by Oasis. You need to take your own lunch with you since it is a daylong trip.

[QUOTE=XMan;1695727]I had planned to go to Alona beach (from Cebu) back in Dec. , but Typhoon Seniang put an end to that. I'm going to try again later this month. I haven't been there in over five years. Any tips / advice?

I will bring my own lady and will likely use Ocean Jet. We plan to stay two nights. Last time I stayed at ISIS bungalows (unfortunate name) and liked it a lot. Seems hard to get a booking now, so any alternative hotel recommendation would be appreciated.

What is a fair price for taxi from Tag to the beach? BTW, I'm a snorkeler rather than a diver. I read somewhere that php2000 is about right for a boat hire. Is that right?

Any info would be appreciated. And here is the link to the Ocean Jet schedule. When I went there last time, there were only three rides a day. I guess business is good.

[URL]http://www.oceanjet.net/fare-and-schedule/cebu-tagbilaran[/URL]

X.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1699882]There is one modestly mid-high end hotel, Altamont Inland resort ($100+/ night). Decent rooms, nice pool, nice resto.

There is little-to-no 'nightlife', other than perhaps a decent live-band joint called Woodstock (between Gaisano mall and Montilla Blvd).[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Altamont three times about three years ago and found it barely tolerable. I also though the food was basically inedible, but things may have changed.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1699989]I stayed at the Altamont three times about three years ago and found it barely tolerable. I also though the food was basically inedible, but things may have changed.

GE.[/QUOTE]I was at the Almont in Butuan recently beside the town plaza. The previous time I was there, they were able to pull together a special order for me, a tuna fillet, mash potatoes and some vegetables. This last time they were out of stock on potatoes. They said they'd prepare it for me if I got the ingredients. So I went to the public market and bought a few potatoes, along with a bag of frozen peas I found. Well, the best part of the meal was the water, potatoes and peas. They incinerated that little piece of tuna, it was actually hard on the edges, and tasted kinda foul. I didn't even finish it. Haha. . I couldn't believe it, I just had to laugh. The cost was p260 or p280 for the "meal" plus p100 cooking charge. The only other place I ever found to eat was True Brew Coffee shop about 1 km south on Montilla Blvd. They put on an edible chicken parm, and even a pretty good breakfast omelet.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1699882]<Snip>
There is little-to-no 'nightlife', other than perhaps a decent live-band joint called Woodstock (between Gaisano mall and Montilla Blvd).[/QUOTE] There's another little place, if you want to call it nightlife, they call it Freedom Park. It's nothin but a few bamboo type videoke places along the river, just north east of the plaza. Kinda hard to find but that's where the younger crowd hang out and party. I fell in with them one night and ended up dating a cute school girl.

I have stayed there 3 different times. The most recent was February 2013. On all three occasions I had a very pleasant experience. As probably expected, I stayed there with my.

Girlfriend. The security is excellent, as there is a gate post that one must pass to get into the complex, and it is always guarded. The rooms are spacious and clean, and I always had.

Good television reception there, with a great many channel choices. I do not remember if there was WiFi. The food at the restaurant is OK. The breakfasts are excellent, with a buffet.

Style for both lunch and dinner. There are always big events going on at the "resort", including birthday parties, and other various parties for the locals. At night, there was.

Entertainment at the bar area located next to the restaurant. Always enjoyable to watch. The pool is very good, and often the parties just mentioned include many young people.

Swimming. The biggest advantage to staying there is the shopping mall which is located around a 3 minutes walk from the hotel. The mall is the only "thing" to do besides swimming.

There is a decent movie theater in the mall, a food court, as well as a few other restaurants. There is a very good salon there and my GF always enjoys going there. The mall is 4 levels, if I remember correctly, and I think I heard that a new mall just opened, but I am not sure how close to the hotel, if it truly is open. The nights are quiet, and I always felt very welcome by the staff, as well as always safe!

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Geez, the more I read about Butuan, the less appealing it appears. However, after Surigao city, I will stay there for probably 3 nights on my next trip. Did google the hotel supply, and they have a few newer ones. My friend is bussing in from the province, and she wants to stay in Butuan this time instead of Surigao city. So. Will make the best of it. Appreciate all the input. Will look for "girlie" bars, although it appears there are none. Will check out Freedom Park, and any other place where they congregate / socialize. I thought I saw a "Tunes" hotel in Butuan, or was it another ultra-modern sterile looking hotel? Laters.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1700355]Will look for "girlie" bars, although it appears there are none. Will check out Freedom Park, and any other place where they congregate / socialize. I thought I saw a "Tunes" hotel in Butuan, or was it another ultra-modern sterile looking hotel? Laters.[/QUOTE]One only goes to places like Surigao / Butuan when you have a sure deal meeting you there (have learned my lesson; provincial girls met on the Internet cannot be counted on 'performance-wise' Very hit / miss.

The hotel you might be thinking of is probably YHotel. Its new, on Montilla. See pics, these were taken recently on the wall at the arrivals area at the BXU airport. Try [URL]http://www.yhotelph.com/[/URL].

West Coast . One only goes to places like Surigao / Butuan when you have a sure deal meeting you there.
The hotel you might be thinking of is probably YHotel. Its new, on Montilla.

Yeah, you are right on both points. My Butuan friend is the same as the Surigao girl, she wants Butuan this time, since it is a shorter busride from her province. I even entertain the thought of taking her for her first airplane ride. And yes, it is the YHotel. It looks rather sterile and small, but the "new" smell is probably still there. Any suggestions? I have never stayed in Butuan, so I can only rely on the maps I find. I want to be near the malls.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1701592]Yeah, you are right on both points. My Butuan friend is the same as the Surigao girl, she wants Butuan this time, since it is a shorter busride from her province. I even entertain the thought of taking her for her first airplane ride. And yes, it is the YHotel. It looks rather sterile and small, but the "new" smell is probably still there. Any suggestions? I have never stayed in Butuan, so I can only rely on the maps I find. I want to be near the malls.[/QUOTE]And there is Go Hotel in Robinson's. Twin or King bed, all rooms 1300. I think location is meaningless for all the hotels, when in Butuan you must take jeeps / trykes to get anywhere. Look for a hotel that has the ammenities that you like.

I'm sure some of you have found this frustration, but its a first for me. I'm recently in the province with my gal (previously discussed, early 30's, nothing to look at, but hotter in the sack than a 2-peckered billygoat). I'd decided to do something extra for her (other than the blue note she gets in the mornings before departing to her kids). She mentioned needing some kind of work document, cost about 1000. Perfect, lets try that. She said we would need to go to a government office and make the payment. Fine.

About 10:30 am she txt saying she was on her way to meet me at a coffee shop. 11:30 she txt saying she was just now leaving (7 minute jeep ride). 12:30 she shows up (tardiness is not the frustration, but it can toss fuel on the fire). We hop a jeep, and 20 minutes later the jeep drops us at the government office. The jeep had run all over town before the dropoff. The dropoff was exactly 2 blocks from the coffee shop where she'd picke me up. We blew 20 minutes in a hot jeep to go 2 blocks. That's still not the frustration.

The gov't office was closed. Permanently. A security guard said the new office was in the mall. We jeep to the mall, and as we attempt to enter the office, a security guy says my pinay cannot come in. Why? She was wearing shorts. Really! Really! But, that is still not the frustration.

We were in a province mall, so for p99 we picked up a pair of slacks for her, and she changed clothes in to the slacks. Its now 1:15 pm. She goes back into the government office to file her paperwork (25 minutes in line to get the paperwork). She forgot to take the pesos inside so she had to step outside to get the money from me, which irked the security guy at the door. Once back inside, she paid the fee at the counter (I could see that from outside the office), then she walked away from the window, presumably to grab her purse and leave. But somehow she disappeared, right in front of my eyes. I txt her a few minutes later asking where she was, to no reply. I asked the security guard. "They take her picture soon. She will be back". I walk the mall. Its now 2 pm and she txts: "Coming soon the will take my pic".

I get tired and head to the food court. At 2:25 she txt: "All done. Please come". I go back and pick her up. She hands me a document stating her new documents will be ready for pickup on May 19, and to bring an I Dee to pick up the document. Thinking we are done, and needing a nap, I am ready to depart, hop in a jeep on a hot day, and head back to the hotel. The security guy chimes in with: "Ma'am when you return, make sure you have a Postal I Dee. Its the only I Dee they accept here". She pulled out her Postal I Dee and showed him that she already had one. "No ma'am. That's the old one. You need the new one. Get a new one". [B]Herein lies the new frustration[/B].

I made her stop at the small post office in the mall ask the requirements for a new I Dee. Literally from the two clerks working there: "I don't know". Really! It reminded me a bit like I was standing at the Cebu Pacific counter asking policy questions, only to face blank starting teenage faces. "Just you go downtown to our main office and inquire". So we did, we hopped a tryke and set off. Once there, we had to wait until the clerk returned at 3:30 from her lunch (she departs at 4 pm). She told us that to get a new postal I Dee, the girl should return with:

Birth certificate; Barangay clearance; Marriage license.

"Please return with p414 for the I Dee ma'am and don't forget your requirements. Also it takes 20 days to process".

Whew! Getting closer! HOLY SHIT BATMAN this was turning into a nightmare. I'm sure those documents can be had for a few hundred pesos, but they take time to acquire, and the p1000 project thought of this morning has become a p2000 project and is now time consuming and frustrating. My boss would fire me for spending 5 hours on something and getting no results.

I was curious. I couldn't let it go at the moment. I just HAD TO KNOW. On the way back to the hotel we stopped back in the mall at the government agency. I asked the security guard why they only accept a Postal I Dee for document pickup. "I don't know sir. Maybe you could ask them". He pointed towards the clerks. Well, I think I'll just go ask them. "No sir, you cannot do that. You cannot go in there". Really, is it because I'm not a citizen? "No sir, that is not the reason. You are wearing shorts".

OHMYF*CKINGGAWWWWWD!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1701641]My boss would fire me for spending 5 hours on something and getting no results.
[/QUOTE]Merely five hours??? You should be so lucky.


We now have a good explanation why poverty persists here. The poors don't own the correct footwear to get through the gov't office's door. And trousers.

One of my girls was getting jerked about by her previous employer's HR; she needed a tax document. Traveled all the way from Pasay to Eastwood. Wait and wait. Had to leave without accomplishing anything because her work shift starts at 3:30. Returned another day. Wait and wait. Spoke to HR. "Sorry, the guy who can give you that paperwork isn't here today. Come again. Next!" She texted me her woes. I replied, "Don't leave. Get me the phone number and the names of the absent guy and the person you spoke to. " I called a few minutes later, and using an Indian accent (it's an Indian-owned called centre) I identified myself as Mr. Sachin Tendukar from the HR office in India. I asked to speak to the guy. "He's not here today, sir. " Over the next few minutes I explained that we in HR had received a lot of complaints from former employees about HR inefficiencies and I was upset that I, in India, had to take time from my busy day to sort things out in the Philippines. "Are you unable to do your jobs? Why are former employees having to return time and time again to get paperwork? Why is it that only one person in the office knows how to do the paperwork? This is a violation of company policy. Do I need to fly there and replace people?" The berating continued and then I began directing her what to do. Surprise! Will miracles never cease? She knows how to do the paperwork too. Twenty minutes later my girl walks out with the tax document.

Fortunately I was able to do this from the comfort of my own home.

Want some lowlights of the BDO payroll debit account debacle? A lot of workers don't have their own personal bank account (why???). Employers prefer direct deposit, and it's safe for the employee, so BDO created a special account that is in the employee's name, from which the employee can draw funds. Seems like a savings account. Ooops, spoke too soon. The employee is not allowed to deposit money into the account. Why? No one at BDO could answer that. "Your bank doesn't like money?" Silence. When an employee leaves her job the company ought to deposit the final pay packet into the account. For a bizarre reason some companies prefer to cut a cheque instead. See where this is going? The employee can't deposit the cheque. I guess that cheque is an eff you to the former employee. Does BDO make it possible for a person to convert the account to a savings account? Keep in mind that this person is already known to BDO since she has the payroll debit account. Not at all. A white face asking a lot questions soon brings the BDO manager. He makes a phone call, speaks for a few moments, and... surprise! The cheque can be deposited. Jeez.

Filipinos have a patience that I'll never understand. Often it serves them well, but it also allows ridiculous inefficiencies to persist.

Those are funny but sad stories, thanks. I still don't have the plate for my motorcycle I bought 19 months ago. I inquired with the dealer and she said the issue is for Region 7 and Bohol. But now Manila has printed the plates and they're starting to issue them. But first they are issuing plates for new vehicles sold, so it's still going to be a long time. So if you buy a motor now, you'll get your plate before I do. She said "it's not like in your place Sir". I just laughed and said, it's not like in ANY other place.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1701658]Filipinos have a patience that I'll never understand. Often it serves them well, but it also allows ridiculous inefficiencies to persist.[/QUOTE]Yes. My girl was curious, when at the original small post office in the mall, that I rolled my eyes when the postal clerk said she did not know the requirements for getting an I Dee:

* How is that possible?

She was also so in-tuned with the "OH YOU MUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET A REQUIREMENT FIRST" thing that I actually had to explain it to her: You go to the post office for an I Dee. Then you go to a Barangay Captain for a clearance. Then he sends you somewhere else for a clearance to get his clearance (say, city hall). Then that place sends you elsewhere for yet another clearance (say the provincial capital). Eventually you will have visited half a dozen government offices to get clearances. What if each place you visit requires you to go to 2 places to get previous clearances? 1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4, and on.

Here's another tick-off with the system: WTF, she didn't know or ask the requirements before forking over p1000 to get a document?

You are correct Huts: there is a patience built into the collective psyche that I don't understand.

Have not had the time to update on the trip. Regarding hotels Westcoast has given a good summary. I usually stay in Dotties but this time stayed in small house close to Robinsons.

As I was with the little princess on this trip my spare time was a bit restricted but not without incident!

Normally I am fairly cautious on new contacts from dating sites. Anyway with only a few hours free I made contact with a girl from Butuan and arranged a next day meeting at mid day. Anyway here is me standing outside Gaisano Mall when up trots my "girl. " However, it is a ladyboy haha! WTF? It just shows the value of proper research.

Anyway after sending him on his way I wander into Gaisano to curse myself for breaking my own procedures when this gorgeous mid 20's girl with dyed brown hair smiles at me and I am over to her and her friends quicker than Usain Bolt! She is a nice girl and we had a meeting the next day. Very inexperienced in the bedroom but keen to learn. Will have to see this one again on the next trip!

3 new hotels in Butuan since last June.

1. Go Hotel in Robinson's. Rooms with twin or king bed, same size, all for I believe the girl said p1388 all in (includes taxes, but no breakfast, no credit cards).

2. why-Hotel, south on Montilla. Its the letter between X and Z.

3. Big Daddy's, on Acquino (the highway), between Gaisano and Robinson's malls. There is a Big Daddy's resto on the ground floor, and another BD resto across the street from Gaisano (where the orange trykes gather to drop off / pickup passengers).

Westy!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1703166]3 new hotels in Butuan since last June.

1. Go Hotel in Robinson's.
2. why-Hotel, south on Montilla. Its the letter between X and Z.
3. Big Daddy's, on Acquino (the highway), between Gaisano and Robinson's malls.
Westy![/QUOTE]Excellent. Will do further research on these. My friend is taking bus from province - 3 HR ride for her. Same one who met me in Surigao city in March. So, must find something comfortable with cable, etc. Maybe even a pool just to show her off in a bathing suit. Thanks for your report.

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1703250]Excellent. Will do further research on these. My friend is taking bus from province - 3 HR ride for her. Same one who met me in Surigao city in March. So, must find something comfortable with cable, etc. Maybe even a pool just to show her off in a bathing suit. Thanks for your report.[/QUOTE]Only 3 hotels that have pool (that I'm aware of): Altmont Inland, Dotties, Balanghai Convention Center.

Gents, did I miss one?

Hawaii, the 3 new ones are all budget hotels, easily sub-p2000 (or sub 1500).

I was wondering if wechat worked here to find ladies. Bingo. I found a couple, but the attached could come over right away. Big boobs and clean shaven pussy. Had 2 sessions, single mom (of course) who loved DATY, fucked me in all positions twice, gave her 1000 P and a bit more for transportation. Was willing to stay the night, but I prefer sleeping alone!

Enjoy the PHIL.

GG

Ok, I'm in Boracay. What's poppin here. I viewed the posts about the this place. I just don't see it. Help me out! I need a of instructions. Only thing worth mentioning is the happy ending from a massage therapists.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha;1719618]Ok, I'm in Boracay. What's poppin here. I viewed the posts about the this place. I just don't see it. Help me out! I need a of instructions. Only thing worth mentioning is the happy ending from a massage therapists.[/QUOTE]Just walk around on the boardwalk and they come flying to you.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1599324]i woke up to sun coming thru the window and the woman sucking my hard whiz boner. i was on my back and she was down next to me, curled into a fetal position, on her side. her body was at a right-angle to mine. her head was on my stomach using it like a pillow. i could see the back of her head and her chubby back. the back of her head was moving away, then towards my face, and she was sucking deep and slow. i let her do that for about 8-10 minutes after i woke up, she showed no sign of stopping. i had to take a leak like a thoroughbred. we showered and she said she needed to go home to her parents and child. while she was toweling off in the bathroom i stuck a blue note in her purse. she's quite chatty in person, and while dressing she told me that she'd sucked my dick in the morning for almost an hour while i was asleep. really! "yes. already i miss it haha. i go now". and with that we elevatored down to the street and i put her in a tryke home.

more later.[/QUOTE]I returned to the province recently to visit with a few gals previously reported here in this thread (above). I was fantasizing a bit about being back with the nawty chub. She did not disappoint. We spent two nights and one afternoon together in the hotel. We went to dinner the first night and out for drinks / karaoke. She has a terrible, warbling voice, but I don't think she knows that, and she sings like nobody's listening -- good for her. Must love the province, where you and your date can have dinner and beers at one place, hit two karaoke / videoke places for more beers and song, and walk away having spent p800. Following that, it was a sweaty, knock-down drag-about session in the bed, both evening and morning before she left to get back to her child. Muah! The second night we skipped going out, and made a warm, cozy time (read: hot) in the bed, twice, with TV in between. In the morning she left again, saying she could not come back the third night because she had a wedding to attend. Awww. Damn. Then she mentioned she could come back by in the early afternoon for a short while before picking up her child from school. Yes! Two nights and an afternoon of nawty bliss. The woman really *can* suck a mean dick.

Interesting. She'd shower in the morning, dress, and skip breakfast to get going back home. I'd watch her chubby self dress, then watch her walk away from the hotel entrance to the street and get into a tryke, noting the dichotomy: I've had so many younger hotties, why the heck am I attracted to this older chub? Two things, I think: Her willingness / strong desire to please, and her intense level of horny. When her fat self is walking away, I get a euphoric feeling when I know she will return another time.

Life in the province. Love that cross.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha;1719618]Ok, I'm in Boracay. What's poppin here. I viewed the posts about the this place. I just don't see it. Help me out! I need a of instructions. Only thing worth mentioning is the happy ending from a massage therapists.[/QUOTE]I was in Boracay once 20 years ago. Beautiful place, and there were a few freelance girls available.

Some were at one of the outdoor discos I went to at night.

I read on this forum a couple of years ago that there is now no available play for pay girls on the island.

Hope that's not true. Please keep us posted of any updates of where to find available girls on Boracay.

Yes, they exist and can be found in primarily two locales. One is a disco club (RTFF) as I can t remember the name. The other option are the beach path walkers who appear around 10 pm or so on and around station one area. However, quite a few LB's in the mix so be careful especially with the tall ones or those lurking in the shadows between the beach and the restaurants on the beach path.

I found girls at this club on a regular basis this past holiday season.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1723072]I was in Boracay once 20 years ago. Beautiful place, and there were a few freelance girls available.

Some were at one of the outdoor discos I went to at night.

I read on this forum a couple of years ago that there is now no available play for pay girls on the island.

Hope that's not true. Please keep us posted of any updates of where to find available girls on Boracay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1723221]Yes, they exist and can be found in primarily two locales. One is a disco club (RTFF) as I can t remember the name. The other option are the beach path walkers who appear around 10 pm or so on and around station one area. However, quite a few LB's in the mix so be careful especially with the tall ones or those lurking in the shadows between the beach and the restaurants on the beach path.

I found girls at this club on a regular basis this past holiday season.[/QUOTE]I also found freelancers at one of the outdoor discos, but I was there 20 years ago.

At that time there were 3 discos. I went to the one I think was located in the middle of the three.

There were some freelancers there 20 years ago, when I was there.

Does anyone know the name of the disco that Tomasb went to recently and found available freelance girls?

And it's location?

Are there still 3 discos? Is the one in the middle the one with the freelancers?

Like I said: RTFF. See my post#2033. Cocomangas is the name of club and it's near Station 1.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1723971]I also found freelancers at one of the outdoor discos, but I was there 20 years ago.

At that time there were 3 discos. I went to the one I think was located in the middle of the three.

There were some freelancers there 20 years ago, when I was there.

Does anyone know the name of the disco that Tomasb went to recently and found available freelance girls?

And it's location?

Are there still 3 discos? Is the one in the middle the one with the freelancers?[/QUOTE]

Warning: Contains non sexual material.

Wanted to have a look at Leyte / Samar, so I set out of Davao on a road trip. In preparation I renewed my subscription to FC and sent out some boiler plate emails but that was about the extent of the effort.

First stop.

With no prep, I figured Butuan would be just rest, food and a quick trawl. I was right. The pros letching around the plaza in the evening do nothing for me but there's small gaggles of school girls to pick on, with at least one college within walking distance. One never-been-touched 18 year old was hearing it, but wasn't ready for anything as long I was within striking reach, of course. But now that I'm long gone it's time! She's ready, and wants me to be the one... Ah, ukie.

Got a lovely sales lady (18, going on 14) from a general junk store out on a date. (A visit to her auntie's house). But on the way back she had me pull over on the highway and let her off. Later when I asked why, she said because I freaked her out when I was touching her at her auntie's place. I think I just touched her hand and leg. I forgot, that really bothers them. Probably disrespectful too... Oops, sorry.

Surigao.

Made out better in Surigao. On a previous visit, crossing a bridge, I ran into an attractive 18 year old out on her stroll. We got to texting and it was the usual shy girl routine, "I'm busy". (too scared to go out). Realized I was spinning my wheels, so I became too busy to return her texts. But she was persistent, so over 6 months we chatted. She let me in on her deepest secret, that she wasn't still a virgin. I assured her I accept her for who she was--which, according to her texts, was a horny, wanna-be naughty young lady. I thought text sex was cute, as well as an obvious waste of time. But she followed through and was waiting outside my hotel by the time I woke up. Not as pretty as I had in my notes, but great body and even better attitude. Got her in bed and she was ready to get into it. Knowing she was emotionally fragile, in anticipation of what I was about to do to her (and I was hungry), I suggested she take a cooling off period over some eggs. We ate and there was no cooling off. All her text fantasies were about to come true. (Getting tongue lashed and having sweaty sex all day with a gringo the age of her grandpa). Quite a turn around from that shy girl so many months ago. (Pic 1. Where we met--The bridge that didn't protest being photographed. Pic 2. Pebble Beach).

Next up, had a near-sex experience, but exciting never the less. I was roaming the market and something appeared on my left. Plump, almost black, and all of four and a half feet tall. By her size and voice, I jokingly guessed her at 14 but was shocked that she was 18 already. After her work she showed up at Jolibee as promised, and wasn't even hungry!! She agreed to come to my hotel, but part of the deal to lure her back was I wouldn't pressure her for sex. So I didn't care, whatever happened would be good enough. Also to her credit, coming to my place was quite an effort, being so shy and after working 14 hours, and having to be up again in six hours. Got the cute little shorts unbuttoned and the tiny black breasts out. Better than nothing, just making out with such an exotic little creature was a turn on. . Nice girl, hope to see her again. Funny thing, as an aside. The word in her circles is "Americanos are sex maniacs". So I'm glad she's gotten past that stereotype, since her first poriner friend is such a gentleman. (Pic 3).

Leyte.

There's 2 Roro (roll on / roll off) companies that service Leyte from Surigao. I chose Montenegro, which departs from Lipata. The 10:00 am allows plenty of time for the crossing to San Ricardo and the beautiful ride up Southern Leyte to Baybay. Didn't get any action there, and not much else to say about it other than it's got a lovely, well kept seaside boulevard. The two expats I talked to loved to hear themselves say the mafia that controls the money puts some back in. So it's not a comparatively poor place, and there's no apparent storm damage remaining. No mall and no supermarket either, and KFC / Macdo is still a wet dream. Saw a few cuties roaming around, but mostly too young. Some well dressed young ladies hanging around the upscale coffee shop at night using the WiFi, but they had no use for me. (Pics 4-6).

Ormoc wasn't much to write home about either, but allot of expats call it home. Someone said it's not nearly as good as it used to be for women, many left after Yolanda and never returned. And there's boat loads of foreigners coming across from Cebu, which doesn't help. Saw a few cuties scattered around in the mall and streets, and they're friendly enough, just not abundant. Around sunset I got a conversation going with a fair looking 22 year old. Looked hot from a distance but a closer look revealed a funky ass and a black spot between her front teeth. I eventually talked her into a bite at the only decent restaurant I found, happened to be right there by the water. Told her I was leaving the next day, and it was her idea to come help me get my shit together. But all she really did was get in the way. Turns out she had other motives; Supposedly her brother was smashed up in the hospital from his motorrbike crash, so she was just sitting there wishing she could help him. I shot my load, got my things packed, and eventually got some sleep. And she got part of her wish. He won't be flying to Makati Medical Center, but I hope I was able to help.

The star attraction on Leyte was the one I met in Tacloban from FC, which I already mentioned below. The ride from Tacloban to the Leyte-Samar bridge is not a pleasant one, but once you get to the bridge it's another beautiful ride all the way up to Catbalogan.

Catbalogan.

The guide book says it has the best vareity of accomodations on Samar, making it the most logcal place to base for interior explorations. "This is the real reason to visit Catbalogan--in order to get out of it". I would mostly agree with that. But the writers didn't see what I was about to be greeted by. I had exactly one FC gal texting, and she was excited to meet right away! Every 10 minutes a new text, and her brother and sister were excited too. I forgot the golden rule that you shouldn't let them know when you're really arriving. Because I didn't want to meet right away, I knew finding dinner was going an issue. But she looked good in her pics so I figured I'd get the meet out of the way and, if I liked her, set something up for later. She showed up on time and she was hot! 18, body like a Bangkok stripper, elegantly dressed, tight jeans, and gwapa as hell! I couldn't believe it, twice as hot as her pictures.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1683027] <Snip> You have been to Samar before so I assume you remember that in such relatively small communities foreigners stand out and conservative girls are a bit skittish about being seen with a foreigner, and especially about being seen entering a hotel with him.[/QUOTE]That's been my experience, even in even bigger cities. So I knew it was on when she wanted to ditch her siblings and come with me on a goose chase for food. I gave them something for trike and a snack, and off we went on a town tour as it started to rain. If you need something that resembles Western food, don't come here. There's no real restaurants and no supermarket. They don't even have olive oil in the crowded corner stores. I didn't even see any fish or meat I'd want to eat in the smelly public market .

Her profile said she's looking for love. But in person, she's clear that her lover will support her. I'm not the one, but I was more than willing to supply a down payment. So the choice was made. Dinner would be hot pussy and canned raviolis from my emergency kit. If she just had black hair, darker skin, and smaller tits, I'd still be in Catbalogan starving to death.

Next one is kind of silly, sorry, but I'll mention it because I got a chuckle out of it. I had the honor of giving someone her first ever romantic experience. At 18, never even held hands with a boy. It was nothing more than light pawing and groping, but it all happened right on the dirt floor of her little bamboo house. I was outside of town on a bluff admiring the view, and a little voice says Hello, through a tiny window. She asked what I was doing, and naturally I said I was looking for a girl. Finally she says wait. Goes down, and comes up from the beach. Holy shit! She's got a smoking little body! Says she's dreaming of a good man to take care of her some day. And also how the family was behind on rent. So the wheels are turning and I start politely making suggestions. I had her seriously thinking about letting me eat her pussy for a p500-p800 contribution. I don't know where I got that number, but the price didn't matter. It was a matter of haggling over the time frame. She started at "we'd have to text for 6 months first". I countered with 2 hours. It was settled that it would take 2-3 weeks of texting. So I politely thanked her for her time and left. The road dead ends, so I stopped on my way back and that's when she invited me in. (Pic 7).

Finally, there's a place you can stay on the beach for 1,000 a night, and the rooms are clean and spacious. If I remember the name I'll add it later (Pic 8).

Calbayog.

The ride from Catbalogan to Calbayog is another beauty, with sea views most of the way. I remember thinking I'd seen more bridges than vehicles.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1682723]Has anyone been to Calbayog recently? Its the main city of Samar. I was there many times in the middle (eighties) and was not impressed. I stayed at the Eduardo Tourist hotel a few times which was the best accommodations in the city and it was barely a 1 star place. <Snip> Has the city evolved at all? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]Eduardo Tourist hotel has evovled. The rooms now look more like prision cells.

[QUOTE=RubioTonto;1687479]The best hotel in the area is the Ciriaco. <Snip> was reasonably priced and the food ranged from ok to a little below average. Probably the best you can expect in this part of the PI. They even had a singer at the restaurant for dinner every night, which was grating after awhile.[/QUOTE]Grating is a nice way of putting it. I had my dinner served way out past the pool, by the sea. Below average is kind too, although there's no other point of comparison. Think you got balls? Try the veggie pizza. Fake cheese and sweet BBQ sauce. (Pic 9).

If your budget is somewhere between jail and the luxury of Ciriaco, there are a handful of choices in the p700 range. The supermarket for all your shopping is a small crowded Mercury. And the only Mister Donut is a tiny booth on a corner. (Attended by two rather cute teenagers, incidentally). So I don't know how much it's evolved but, if you like small town, it's still good.

I had exactly one on the hook from FC and she was beeping my phone off the hook. 20, average looking, and white, so I couldn't have cared much less. It wasn't so much the looks, because attitude matters the most generally. But now that the time had come, the texts had digressed into "I'm afraid of danger. Can we maybe meet tomorrow. I'm not going to have sex with you. Can I bring a friend?. I'm afraid of you my friend, you might hurt me or kill me. Are you going to kill me?. " I finally told her, just be at my hotel lobby at exactly 12 noon tomorrow and please don't be late. I'm not going to do anything to you unless you want it. I asked her to text when she was on the way, and left it at that.

Meanwhile, after dark I took a putt around to see what's happening. The late night scene was the 24 hour Bakeshop. After partying on an ice cream bar, I decided to call it a night. I turned the corner and out of the darkness a young girls' voice called out. I circled back and it was two little cuties and a gay boy sitting on the steps. They were tearing it up, high fiving every 2 seconds, laughing their asses off. So after a while they asked if I could ride them home. They stood up and the prettier one had a great body! I'd say 42 kg. 19, tight jeans and tall. So I piled them all on my motorcycle with the hot one closest to me. We rode 20-30 minutes way out the dark road. Those little A cups were pushing on my back and I was rubbing her leg with my hand. I wanted to fuck her so bad. So I dumped them off and we had a plan for the next day. I'd be back, and it looked like me and this hottie were going to get into it.

By the time I woke up, all 3 were texting, telling me to get my ass over there. Finally at 11:55 FC texts "morning". I replied, you're late Sweetheart. Let's just cancel for today please. "No. Please please please. I'll be there in 5 minutes". I told her I would only wait a few minutes, but she called my bluff. I hadn't even finished my hotel saute (yes, I pack an electric stove) and in 5 minutes she was standing in the stairs. She's never even talked to a foreigner before but it was comfortable right away. She sat on the bed with her legs crossed and I was laying on my belly kissing her legs through her pants. Turns out she's got a perfect frame, and quite pretty. Real sweet girl, and romantic. Nice kisses and pretty soon we were shagging. This went on until I planted my sterile load deep inside. Perfect. It's not even 2:00, plenty of time to go see my other new sweetheart.

But this was the weird part. Usually at this point I get up, wash off my dick, and it's over. But no one moved. We just laid there talking. Something about this girl really turned me on. Her voice was so sexy, and she was just so damn sweet. Even had nice breath. We started making out again, and in a minute my dick was raging again. I'm usually not good for a second shot right away, but we ended up spending the rest of the day shagging each others brains out. Thanks FC. Lovely girl, still texts sweet messages to this day. (Last Pic).

Conclusion.

By the time that was over, it was dark and too late to go see my other new friend, and the only weekly ship to Cebu was leaving in the morning with me on it. That's my regret--I fucked up. I should have missed that boat, and I should have stayed longer in every one of those places I found something good. Starting with the black beauty in Surigao. I still haven't found anything that good since. Miss Tacloban blew my mind--She was dark, hot and hairy. I should have stayed there for a month. The race model in Catbalogan, and my 2 guapas in Calbayog were all worth taking an extended mangos and bananas fast. I was in too much of a rush for no good reason. I had my cooking gear, next time I'll pack Valium. I hope Samar don't change much anythime soon.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1726138]
Wanted to have a look at Leyte / Samar, so I set out of Davao on a road trip. In preparation I renewed my subscription to FC and sent out some boiler plate emails but that was about the extent of the effort.

[/QUOTE]This is an excellent FR of far-flung places that we don't see too often. Thanks for putting in the time to write it.

Readers, don't let his warning dissuade you.

Why go to Butuan? Not for mongering. I went to meet my friend there (same one I met in Surigao city last trip) and spent 2 nights, one at Almont city hotel and one at Almont Resort. I took PAL, which left MNL at 5. 10 am and arrived in Butuan at 6. 35 am. I was in line at the MNL terminal 3 at 4. 15 am. I had to wait in line OUTSIDE, dripping wet from humidity, for 30 minutes before I got inside the bldg. Then another 30 minute wait to get to the counter for the boarding pass. Get on the plane. Land at airport. Look for driver. "The driver left, sir". OK, someone at airport calls the hotel, who calls the driver. He comes back. He has my name card on the seat, but left without me. "Don't you think you should have waited for me?" "Sorry, sir". Get to Almont city hotel.

Almont city hotel. Good location, right in heart of city. Plenty of shops, etc. Room has old plumbing, my room had 2 beds, one single and one double. "No bigger bed available, sir". One night there, then transferred to Almont Resort.

Almont resort. Down the road, 100 yards back from highway, ground level rooms that are too big to be cooled by the A / C. They gave me a jr. Suite for 5,000 p a night. A\C was adequate, but the remote was too weak to change the TV channels. OMG.

Butuan. There are no metered taxis. Jeepneys only. 8 pesos. There are 2 malls; Robinson's, with A\see, and Gaisano, without A\see. All our time was spent in Robinson's. If anyone reading this decides to go to Butuan, for whatever reason, I would recommend the GO Hotel, which is directly attached to Robinson's mall. Rooms were 1700 p at the time, and it you want to "score", it is easier talking a girl (s) into going there, which can be entered directly from the mall, than going to your Almont Hotel in the city where everyone will be talking about her.

Go Hotel. Rooms were 1700 p, plus it cost 220 p for a taxi taxi from the airport. Rooms are "small" by most standards, but they are new and functional. No wasted space. There are other hotels in the city, but this has the advantage of being connected to the mall, where most people go anyway.

I spent two days in Bacolod. Stayed at Westown San Juan. It is very close to SM Mall. Rooms are not very comfortable. Next time I will stay at L'Fisher Hotel which is much nicer and close to Starbucks. It is not a big mongering city but lots of girls around. I had a lady with me so I did not troll.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1731368]I spent two days in Bacolod. Stayed at Westown San Juan. It is very close to SM Mall. Rooms are not very comfortable. Next time I will stay at L'Fisher Hotel which is much nicer and close to Starbucks. It is not a big mongering city but lots of girls around. I had a lady with me so I did not troll.[/QUOTE]Was in Bacolod about 5 yrs. Ago and stayed at L'Fisher hotel. Best choice. I was also with a friend, no mongering. The hotel is / was great.

So, this was the end of my "backpacking / Monger" trip around SEA, from Newbie to somewhat experience.

El Nido is beautiful beach in Palawan island, they have some bars and karaoke but nothing serious (close at 10 pm max 12 am), but there is one call the "Reggae Bar" everyone knows about it and it's not difficult to find, is the only thing open at midnight. So there I went to the bar lot of backpackers and mid 30's 40's couples, on the outside of the bar in the beach I spotted some local girls waiting like to have a chat, then this happened there was this stunning girl (like 19 yo), that was with a clearly lady boy, so I got suspicious about this, and just stay in the bar a few more minutes until they both approach me, and couldn't resist to ask if them both were lady boy, the stunning looks offended and left, then the other told me that both of them were lady boys. So I just decided to left the bar and head back to my hotel.

On my way back I got the needs to at least try, so I did found a couple of "tuk tuks" on a corner, quietly approach at one of them and ask for boom boom, the guy didn't know about any girl so start yelling to his other mates, haha that was funny to see each one asking for any WG. So nobody give me an answer and decided to keep with my business, of course I walked slowly in case some of them know something they could catch with me, and so it was, one of the guys approach me and told he can fix me, the funny part, there was a nice looking girl with him so I was already happy to see that the girl is available, well no, seems to be his girlfriend or something, so I just get up to the tuk tuk and went to a house on the outside of El Nido (read: 1 minutes).

Here comes the funny part, so he seems to just visit a random friend house or something because the girl was asleep, clearly just waken up (it was 1:30 am), and because I didn't want to use my hotel, we have to find somewhere else, that was the hard part, the girl didn't want to be noticed and me neither (I was travelling with friends who doesn't need to know my business), after 30 minutes wandering around we found one room that seems like a farm, literally, anyway I just need to have sex I don't mind the place. Like about 3 hours with some relax intervals and then she goes because if later it would be too obvious for everyone to notice.

The girl a MILF in her late 20, very energetic, a bit chubby but did the work. It cost me 2000, which was 500 for the room, 500 for the taxi and 1000 for the WG.

Conclusion, there are WG around El Nido just go the Reggae Bar.

Cheers

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1690903]Not exactly a tourist destination, although it is supposed to be the surfing center of the PI. Meet your Mindanao GF here or bring your own girl. Stay at the Tavern Hotel, great seaview rooms, good breakfast buffet, cable, wifi. In Surigao there is no cinema, no Starbucks, nothing much going for this place except peace and quiet. Am here for 3 nights with a friend, and have mastered taking the jeepney to Gaisano, which is about 5 miles from this hotel. There are resorts around the area, but I chose this hotel for the view, plus I am on a budget. Yeah, ok, I'm cheap. They pick you up from the airport in a van, and will take you back for your flight also.

Another point: if you fly PAL, you will be in a turbine prop plane (Bombardier Q400). Geez, first time I have flown in a plane older than me! Things are cheap. My girl got her hair cut for 60 p.[/QUOTE]I know this is an old post, but just reading though some of these as I can't sleep.

The surfing spot is Cloud 9 on Siargao Island (I believe there is a ferry from Surigao). No modern hotels at all, but they do have some nice be&be places. It was my first time outside of Manila / Cebu and it was quite a shock to me. The only semi-transportation was motorbikes or trike hires (there were Mini-vans from the airport).

For me, the worst part was the mosquitos as I am semi-allergic to bites. I swell up pretty easily and seem to attract them. I wore pants and long sleeves at night, but then my body heat would attract them even more. 1st place I stayed had good air-con, but there were slits in the door. 2nd place had terrible aircon and there were slits in the floor. The mosquito nets did not work very well and I woke up with a bite on my lip one night. I probably could have planned a little better as I ran out of a weak small bottle of repellant.

After that experience, I am wary of going anywhere without a modern hotel and aircon.

[QUOTE=Random99;1739704]I know this is an old post, but just reading though some of these as I can't sleep.

T.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info. I met a Pinay in Seattle and she has been asking me to take her there since she has been there before and liked it a lot. For some reason, I did not want to go out of the Metropolitan areas.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1726138]
Surigao.

Made out better in Surigao. On a previous visit, crossing a bridge, I ran into an attractive 18 year old out on her stroll. We got to texting and it was the usual shy girl routine, "I'm busy". (too scared to go out). Realized I was spinning my wheels, so I became too busy to return her texts. But she was persistent, so over 6 months we chatted. She let me in on her deepest secret, that she wasn't still a virgin. I assured her I accept her for who she was--which, according to her texts, was a horny, wanna-be naughty young lady. I thought text sex was cute, as well as an obvious waste of time. But she followed through and was waiting outside my hotel by the time I woke up. Not as pretty as I had in my notes, but great body and even better attitude. Got her in bed and she was ready to get into it. Knowing she was emotionally fragile, in anticipation of what I was about to do to her (and I was hungry), I suggested she take a cooling off period over some eggs. We ate and there was no cooling off. All her text fantasies were about to come true. (Getting tongue lashed and having sweaty sex all day with a gringo the age of her grandpa). Quite a turn around from that shy girl so many months ago. (Pic 1. Where we met--The bridge that didn't protest being photographed. Pic 2. Pebble Beach).[/QUOTE]I had my first trip to Surigao this year. I have to say that the provincial life is quite nice and the people in general very friendly. Seems easy to find the right girls if you have time. Generally I think foreigners are worried about the dangers outside the major cities. I felt safer in Surigao than in Manila / AC for sure.

My girls in Surigao were sourced from dating sites or from local recommendation.

Enjoy.

Just walk by the roundabout in the city center. Directly behind the tourist police you'll find a brothel with very young, good looking girls. Or just talk to girls walking around (mostly two girls hand in hand). They will easily come with you for a drink or sex. No problem. Pricing: They don't even ask for the money, it's up to you to give as much as you think.

[QUOTE=Sam2004;1746060]Just walk by the roundabout in the city center. Directly behind the tourist police you'll find a brothel with very young, good looking girls. Or just talk to girls walking around (mostly two girls hand in hand). They will easily come with you for a drink or sex. No problem. Pricing: They don't even ask for the money, it's up to you to give as much as you think.[/QUOTE]Ooh that's good news. I thought this place was dead for mongering. Do they come LT or is it a discreet ST thing in these parts?

P.

2015 CDO trip.

Plane took a very very long time to get me to CDO, I have to wonder why I choose to come to such a far flung corner of the Phillipine Isles to monger. But finally got there and checked into Seda hotel, Staff there are good, probably seen a pile of middle aged single men roost there for a day or two before me. They know how it works.

Free on first night so head out to Divisoria to check out the clubs. About 8 or so in total all up, dotted amongst the night crowd, dogs and pisssss alleys of Divisoria. (Heh Heh, up yours, you stupid censorship software) The clubs are not what they used to be, less clubs, less quality and mostly the same clothes wringer revenue model. A couple of hotties were in play though, but after OS applied the baby filter that number reduced by another 50%. A feature of Divisoria as a red light district is that the places are dotted over several streets and you must wander up and down to visit each place. Streets are in a standard arrangement so this is no big deal but lots of street touts plying for business with girls of varying quality and age. Of the 3 I took the time to look at none had ID so left that idea on the corner, one was shy of foreigner. Although the area could potentially be unsafe, I have never experienced any aggression or anything untoward here but the touts and corner girls do see you and proposition you.

Back in the clubs and that sweet girl I thought might come with me didn't want to be barfined, always a bit disconcerting when you get the knockback from a bar girl. But that's democracy!, back over to the old Spooks bar which had a couple of really nice girls but they were at tables so taken. Mama does the baby filtering for me and comes back with a girl who was ok to barfine. Barfine 3000 and back to hotel but service was terrible, just a mixture of ignorance and apathy. Couldn't wait to get rid of her. Funny Am not sure if the Phillipine model of lady drinks and barfines is my thing. These girls get a short window in a noisy bar to size you up for a prospective lone trip to a remote hotel room. They are flat out reading the cues, your speech, your manner, are you kuripot? Will they be safe with you? And then at the end some make it very clear that this was always just a transaction. I think this is what I like about The Javanese brothels in Jakarta where a more formalised system of being respectful exists. So sometimes the formal can enable the informal, hmm need to work that out.

Day 2 spend a little time working on some DIA prospects then message my scholarship student. This little 20 yo with a sizzling body is over in a flash and before I know it, OS is involved in some extended chonka chonka chonka. Ah the paradox of the Phils! Heaven one day, a crappy $% smelling street the next. 8 hours later See Miss Bukidnon off on the 7 hour bus trip to Bukidnon with a big bag of chocolates and donuts for family there. Its nice. I have been sponsoring this girl through university now for two years and she is both honest and appreciative. But for those contemplating this sort of thing, be clear that the bar girls are much cheaper, but it is a real pleasure to see her get through university when otherwise she would be breeding piglets and having babies in some far flung province and she has the resolve to get somewhere in life so why not? And she is delightful and so ready to provide me with some discreet occasional pleasure in return. Feeling good!

Will keep working up the DIA girls today. There is a considerable logistical endeavour in this game but will get a little more sleep and then start texting. It's quite good fun. Stay posted folks!

Enjoy.

OS.

For those of us who enjoy a phenomenal butt, check out this weather girl on Mexican TV.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/vb.146505212039213/1473235299366191/?type=2&theater[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1748575]For those of us who enjoy a phenomenal butt, check out this weather girl on Mexican TV.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/vb.146505212039213/1473235299366191/?type=2&theater[/URL][/QUOTE]Woooow! Especially about 20 seconds in.

Thanks for the stiffie!

Hello all,

I've been mongering in Angeles City, Manila, San Fernando and some small places, but next January I'm going to spend some time in Cabanatuan.

Does any of you guys know if there are any good places to do some mongering in Cabanatuan? Maybe places like the bars in Angeles City.

[QUOTE=SteelBone;1748775]I've been mongering in Angeles City, Manila, San Fernando and some small places, but next January I'm going to spend some time in Cabanatuan. [/QUOTE]Where then are your field reports of your activities?

[QUOTE=SteelBone;1748775]Does any of you guys know if there are any good places to do some mongering in Cabanatuan? Maybe places like the bars in Angeles City. [/QUOTE]No. Similar bars can be found in Manila at the EDSA complex and the P Burgos bars.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1748891]Where then are your field reports of your activities?

No. Similar bars can be found in Manila at the EDSA complex and the P Burgos bars.[/QUOTE]I'm just not a very good author and English is not my first language:

Don't they have any bars with sex workers in Cabanatuan?

Chichis bueno tambien. Thanks, amigo. [QUOTE=Red Kilt;1748575 For those of us who enjoy a phenomenal butt, check out this weather girl on Mexican TV.

[QUOTE=SteelBone;1748895]I'm just not a very good author and English is not my first language: [/QUOTE]Sorry big guy. You will have to do better than that. Stop worrying about your language and post us at least one descriptive field report. Your language is good enough to ask for help, then its good enough to post a report (have someone help you with it if you need). We call what you are doing "taking without giving" (its selfish).

[QUOTE=SteelBone;1748895]Don't they have any bars with sex workers in Cabanatuan? [/QUOTE]Not that I am aware of. Cabanatuan is the province. Anyone else have such awareness of gogo bars in Cabanatuan?

It is very sad to see certain individuals constantly flaming the posters. I noticed that less and less postings are coming for the new comers due to flaming. Can you just take a chill pill and stop the harassment?

My $0. 02.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1748575]For those of us who enjoy a phenomenal butt, check out this weather girl on Mexican TV.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/vb.146505212039213/1473235299366191/?type=2&theater[/URL][/QUOTE]The girl was great. The commentator said exactly what we were all thinking. Funny vid!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1749010]The girl was great. The commentator said exactly what we were all thinking. Funny vid![/QUOTE]I've watched that ten times and I still don't what the weather will be tomorrow.

Hmm. I think I will try Mexico next. Does anybody know what the weather there is like?

Well for those who breathlessly awaited round 2 of OS's exploits in this far flung destination. I can only report disappointment. Nada, Zip. A whole day spent texting, plotting and scheming to lure these Southern Filipina Belles to my lair for nothing. It would seem these ladies are more astute than we give them credit for. "Ooh yes I will being there" turns to, "what is your business here" , turns to "how many times you been to CDO" My student told me that this town is not so big and to be seen with a foreigner instantly starts the rumour mill. Thats OK.

Theres a lot of pretty girls wandering around in the malls and with a bit of time they could certainly be finessed, I think these girls can read impatience and most certainly filter the bullshite.

So today farewell to CDO. "I is the leavings for Jakarta" "ada yang baru dari kampung menungguh saya".

The funny bit is just one day after Idul Fitri I have message in my FB inbox from some dirty sod in Jakarta that wants me to come and do his wife. Got to love the devout ones.

Bye for now.

OS.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1748997]It is very sad to see certain individuals constantly flaming the posters. I noticed that less and less postings are coming for the new comers due to flaming. Can you just take a chill pill and stop the harassment?

My $0. 02.[/QUOTE]This is not flaming or a need for chill pill.

This is a classic case of what on the UAE board they call 'manager class'. You have posters claiming they monger a lots, they promise FRs after you give and then disappear again for a long time, resurface with same FRs a year later.

Not harassment but sensibly pointing out what is expected. Plenty good examples of great newbies posting great FRs, but plenty of other who ask, promise, never deliver etc.

Well said Westie, we should give you a medal for you eloquence LOL.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;1749031] A whole day spent texting, plotting and scheming to lure these Southern Filipina Belles to my lair for nothing. It would seem these ladies are more astute than we give them credit for. "Ooh yes I will being there" turns to, "what is your business here" , turns to "how many times you been to CDO" [/QUOTE]Thanks for the report OS, that's funny. I haven't spent a great deal of time in CDO, but pretty much get the same feel. Although you might as well be writing about Iloilo, Butuan, or Kidapawan. If you like torturing yourself and you play enough of those texting games you'll get good at it. With practice you should be able to copy and paste your next answer and be ready to hit send when the question arrives. Sometimes I just send a boiler plate short paragraph that answers them up front.

Ya, some can eventually be finessed, as you say. And being able to read impatience is a good way of putting it too. I'm working on one of those type now. I managed to lure her in for a second meet using ice cream. They want to be able to trust you enough to know you're not a sex maniac. Even if in the end that's what she turns out to be.

I am planning another trip to Mindanao later this year. Last time I went it takes 2-3 days to build the trust, as OffshoreSwell details.

On my android phone I downloaded Fake GPS which worked with WeChat to give my location as sitting in Butuan. I made contact with a couple of the local WeChat contacts and started the building process. This only needs to be done no more than a week before though. So, I've turned that feature off and will wait until I'm ready to depart for RP.

BD.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1748997]It is very sad to see certain individuals constantly flaming the posters. I noticed that less and less postings are coming for the new comers due to flaming. Can you just take a chill pill and stop the harassment?[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you on this issue as I have also noticed the steady drop-off in contributing newcomers. A few people take this forum too seriously where information should flow easily in a country where there are available woman in every nook and cranny. If you don't have any answers or care not to respond to queries much better to remain silent and ignore rather then bloviate, waste bandwidth and disrupt the harmony of the thread.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;1749031]Theres a lot of pretty girls wandering around in the malls and with a bit of time they could certainly be finessed, I think these girls can read impatience and most certainly filter the bullshite.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the FR as we don't see too many from this city! Yes conservative CDO is a special case where it takes more work and time to get into girl's panties. Most of the girlie bars are a disappointment But the discos can yield good results if you are willing to get onto the dance floor.

After hours there is a huge streetwalker scene in many sections of the city. Many are students trying to raise money so YMMV. There are also a few places where expats congregate and available women show up nightly. My best results have been referrals from locals and expats!

[QUOTE=BukoMax;1749570]Have to agree with you on this issue as I have also noticed the steady drop-off in contributing newcomers. A few people take this forum too seriously where information should flow easily in a country where there are available woman in every nook and cranny. If you don't have any answers or care not to respond to queries much better to remain silent and ignore rather then bloviate, waste bandwidth and disrupt the harmony of the thread.[/QUOTE]Funny part of it, they also keep history of the posters and also do have entourage. They have no problem of ganging on posters. Later they question why people do not post Field Reports. I wonder why!.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1750080]Funny part of it, they also keep history of the posters and also do have entourage. They have no problem of ganging on posters. Later they question why people do not post Field Reports. I wonder why!.[/QUOTE]Not quite so. I'm one of those advocating to keep the 'Steel Bones' and the like away from the phils boards. He has a whopping two posts: questions. Even if we ignore his current lack of descriptive FR's, the history of such gents is that they rarely come back after we give them decent advice and post a quality FR. [B]Please, no "taking-without-giving" dudes[/B]. You won't see me decrying a lack of new posters. I want new posters also, but not at the expense of diluting the threads. There are better ways for new posters to gain access here.

Here's are two more dudes I'd like to not see posting initial questions:

1. The experienced newb. [I]Gents I'm a long time monger of {XXX} country, making my first trip to Phils. Where can I find a {good hotel} {hot chick} {seafood restaurant} {etc}? What's the best way to get to AC from Manila?[/I]. Really. Did you PM anyone before asking that? Nope. Did you RTTF, where the question was answered previously? No you did not.

2. The experienced lurker. [I]Gents I've been traveling {or living} in Phils for several years. Long time lurker, first time poster. How do you get the girls to {pose naked} {do lesbian} {etc}?[/I]. Really. Did you PM anyone before asking that? Nope. Did you RTTF, where the question was answered previously? No you did not.

To all of these: the newb, the experienced newb, and the experienced lurker, there is a better way to enter the board:

AAA. Buy a membership (see CCC below).

BBB. RTTF and Google.

CCC. Hit the regulars up in PM with un-answered questions (keeps the open board free from the drivel above. Admission: my own posts could be seen as drivel also). Its rare that I don't answer a PM with quality info (except passing out girls names / phone numbers).

DDD. Post a descriptive FR -- *then* feel free to ask questions.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750128]Not quite so. I'm one of those advocating to keep the 'Steel Bones' and the like away from the phils boards. He has a whopping two posts: questions. Even if we ignore his current lack of descriptive FR's, the history of such gents is that they rarely come back after we give them decent advice and post a quality FR. [B]Please, no "taking-without-giving" dudes[/B]. You won't see me decrying a lack of new posters. I want new posters also, but not at the expense of diluting the threads. There are better ways for new posters to gain access here..[/QUOTE]I am with Westie on this as some new posters are excellent, they RTFF maybe PM a few guys with questions and show they at least tried.

Examples include LOso69 when he visited e and Abu Dhabi. Sent me a Word doc with comments and questions based on his excellent RTFF. I did the same on my fort trip to the Philippines. For me it shows effort.

Here is an example (very recent) of a not so good FR from Dumaguete.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1876-Dumaguete&p=1748594&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1748594.

Pip J was very polite but firm.

So this is not discouraging new posters but making sure al these so called promises etc are kept before they ask.

Look at the India thread of you really want an example of how bad it can be and read the banners at the top The UAE thread is moving that way also and when someone does call people out for laziness (IMHO) they have others saying be kind and reply nicely. Why? If the newbie can't be bothered to RTFF, Google etc for 5-10 minutes then clearly he / she is a taker not a giver and as Westie says it is both ways.

Can you clarify what your position is on this bulletin board? Do you have an ownership interest or employment?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750128]Not quite so. I'm one of those advocating to keep the 'Steel Bones' and the like away from the phils boards. He has a whopping two posts: questions. Even if we ignore his current lack of descriptive FR's, the history of such gents is that they rarely come back after we give them decent advice and post a quality FR. [B]Please, no "taking-without-giving" dudes[/B]. You won't see me decrying a lack of new posters. I want new posters also, but not at the expense of diluting the threads. There are better ways for new posters to gain access here.

Here's are two more dudes I'd like to not see posting initial questions:

1. The experienced newb. [I]Gents I'm a long time monger of {XXX} country, making my first trip to Phils. Where can I find a {good hotel} {hot chick} {seafood restaurant} {etc}? What's the best way to get to AC from Manila?[/I]. Really. Did you PM anyone before asking that? Nope. Did you RTTF, where the question was answered previously? No you did not.

2. The experienced lurker. [I]Gents I've been traveling {or living} in Phils for several years. Long time lurker, first time poster. How do you get the girls to {pose naked} {do lesbian} {etc}?[/I]. Really. Did you PM anyone before asking that? Nope. Did you RTTF, where the question was answered previously? No you did not.

To all of these: the newb, the experienced newb, and the experienced lurker, there is a better way to enter the board:

AAA. Buy a membership (see CCC below).

BBB. RTTF and Google.

CCC. Hit the regulars up in PM with un-answered questions (keeps the open board free from the drivel above. Admission: my own posts could be seen as drivel also). Its rare that I don't answer a PM with quality info (except passing out girls names / phone numbers).

DDD. Post a descriptive FR -- *then* feel free to ask questions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1750271]Can you clarify what your position is on this bulletin board? Do you have an ownership interest or employment?[/QUOTE]I think you will see two camps of thought. One says let everyone post anything. For instance, should the Photogallery be limited to picture posters? Some will say yes, while others will say open it to anyone making comments.

In the same way, should these threads be open to questions from anyone? Some would say yes, others don't want it to be that way.

I have no ownership interest or employment options here (and I am not eligible to win any ISG prizes). Just expressing an opinion.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1750080]Funny part of it, they also keep history of the posters and also do have entourage. They have no problem of ganging on posters. Later they question why people do not post Field Reports. I wonder why!.[/QUOTE]

I learned on the fly and have kept reading ever since. These bad guys live there. I guess I am part of their entourage as they live in the Philippines, have knowledge about what they speak and offer comments. Only once have I been called out and that was by WC who gave his interpretation of what he considered my conflicting posts. In my mind it wasn't worthy of a response and that was that. But I have also felt comfortable sending PMs and asking questions which were answered. If your looking for advice on avoiding scams, RTFF. If your looking for advice on room rates buy a membership and send one of your list a PM. There is a lot of useful information that will not be posted on an open board.


You know, I don't recall asking any questions prior to my first trip to the Philippines. What I do recall was buying a membership and then reading the forum voraciously to the point where I thought I knew everything to expect. I'm seldom a P4 P guy so I used what I learned here, took to the dating sites, and made contacts that I thought would work for me. Some worked out, some didn't. The worst and best were a woman who convinced me she was wealthy and even invited me to her upscale home complete with maids. She was a magnificent fuck who in the end cost me a 30,000 peso loan that has never been repaid. It's life and you learn. I still keep in contact with her. She has acknowledged she played me, but accidentally of course. She now lives in a much smaller house. As GE, who I assume you also include in your list, said after reading my post, she likely had been rich and was looking for one last chance to maintain her lifestyle. Risk, reward. There are somethings you chalk up to experience.

In the grand scheme, 30,000 isn't a huge amount, I got laid many times, and we keep contact. She's a nice lady and I don't sleep with her anymore, but she does try to line me up with her friends now. :) So far they have been butt ugly so a no was easy.


Membership has it's privileges.

So, with your own words, you are a user / participant of the bulletin board like everyone else. So, what makes you think that you are so special post or enforce rules here? Are you a self-appointed moderator here? Can you make it clear please?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750290]I think you will see two camps of thought. One says let everyone post anything. For instance, should the Photogallery be limited to picture posters? Some will say yes, while others will say open it to anyone making comments.

In the same way, should these threads be open to questions from anyone? Some would say yes, others don't want it to be that way.

I have no ownership interest or employment options here (and I am not eligible to win any ISG prizes). Just expressing an opinion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1750534]So, with your own words, you are a user / participant of the bulletin board like everyone else. So, what makes you think that you are so special post or enforce rules here? Are you a self-appointed moderator here? Can you make it clear please?[/QUOTE]Nothing. Period. I'm saying there are basically two ways to run the board:

1) Let anyone post anything he wants. 2) Keep some kind of order to it.

I prefer #2 (as does WR). You all will do as you like. There was a similar discussion recently on the Photogallery thread. Some folk would like to let anyone there post anything. Others would like to see the PG used by picture-posters only (that's my preference, keeping comments on the PG Chit-Chat thread). I would argue that both sides get to present their views.

Like Amanut, a long time ago, one of my first posts in the Phils section was a vague question: Whats a good hotel to stay at in Manila. I got shot at by several of the old guard, telling me to keep the inane questions from a newb in the PM. One of those gents PM'd me with a good suggestion for a hotel in Makati, and reminded me to stay off the open board until I had a report to give. I went on to PM several other board regulars and got good suggestions from those nice gents also. This has been going on for a long, long time. I'm not saying its the 'right' way, just the way that I prefer. Anyone may dissent.

[QUOTE=BukoMax;1749570]Have to agree with you on this issue as I have also noticed the steady drop-off in contributing newcomers.[/QUOTE]Because Buko is a long-time member and writer of informative FRs I took his criticism seriously. A few years ago WC and I debated this very issue, and I was one who felt being as helpful as possible had its merits and would pay off in great FRs. Experience proved my assumption mostly wrong. I still post answers if I feel a newb has made an attempt to ask a decent question. I check the board just about every day so I have a feel of what's been discussed recently and what hasn't. When it's been several months since the same question was asked I usually will jump in because going back 25 pages or so may not be realistic for most. Anyway, by the time someone leaves secondary school they should be able to ask specific questions and understand the basics of searching to gather information. From time to time we see people here who are unable (or more likely unwilling) to do this. If English competency (not to be confused with fluency) is so beyond their skills they really ought to look for a board in a language they can function in.

The drop off can be attributed to many reasons. Sure, some are put off by the reception when they post the most general of questions that are easily answered by simply reading a half dozen or so pages. I also see far fewer questions about where to get Viagra and how to get to AC from Manila - we used to get swamped with those. I may be to blame for this since I posted a few guides in the blog section addressing these frequently asked questions - I grew weary of the same questions being asked repeatedly. Perhaps guys hit the threads, see the statements that they ought to read first, so do, find the answers they need, and move happily on.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750128]You won't see me decrying a lack of new posters. I want new posters also, but not at the expense of diluting the threads. There are better ways for new posters to gain access here.[/QUOTE]I concur. I will point out when we get good FRs from newbs, and we have gotten some really well written and informative ones in the past month or so, WC has added them to the Reports of Distinction.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1750534]So, with your own words, you are a user / participant of the bulletin board like everyone else. So, what makes you think that you are so special post or enforce rules here? Are you a self-appointed moderator here? Can you make it clear please?[/QUOTE]More than the photos he posts, I think WC, who is highly respected member of the forum and who has received a lot of praise from new paying members for the help he's given them via PM, has [I]earned[/I] it. He isn't a formal moderator, but if anyone here deserves such distinction it's him.

I'm grateful he's here and the results of his effort are plain to see: the best board on ISG. You may argue with his methods, but you can't argue with success.

In conclusion Mbsl, if you dislike seeing RTFF posts you can do something about it: Post answers. Actively monitor the threads and promptly offer your informative answers.

Thank you for making your clarifications. So this establishes that you are nothing but another user like me and others. So, I am publicly asking you and others to cool down your attitude towards to others by welcoming them rather than running them away.

My words are also towards to so called "senior members" who harass and jump into everything with an angry attitude. Best regards.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750582]Nothing. Period. I'm saying there are basically two ways to run the board:

1) Let anyone post anything he wants. 2) Keep some kind of order to it.

I prefer #2 (as does WR). You all will do as you like. There was a similar discussion recently on the Photogallery thread. Some folk would like to let anyone there post anything. Others would like to see the PG used by picture-posters only (that's my preference, keeping comments on the PG Chit-Chat thread). I would argue that both sides get to present their views.

Like Amanut, a long time ago, one of my first posts in the Phils section was a vague question: Whats a good hotel to stay at in Manila. I got shot at by several of the old guard, telling me to keep the inane questions from a newb in the PM. One of those gents PM'd me with a good suggestion for a hotel in Makati, and reminded me to stay off the open board until I had a report to give. I went on to PM several other board regulars and got good suggestions from those nice gents also. This has been going on for a long, long time. I'm not saying its the 'right' way, just the way that I prefer. Anyone may dissent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750582] One of those gents PM'd me with a good suggestion for a hotel in Makati, and reminded me to stay off the open board until I had a report to give. I went on to PM several other board regulars and got good suggestions from those nice gents also. This has been going on for a long, long time. I'm not saying its the 'right' way, just the way that I prefer. Anyone may dissent.[/QUOTE]I tend to send many more PMs these days than place posts on the open board. That's one of the benefits of membership; you can send requests for and receive tips from other members through PMs.

Most of the lazy questions come from newbies who discover the board and immediately fire off some inane request that regular readers know has been "done to death" in many different places. I just skip past them nowadays; I cannot even be bothered reminding them to RTFF. What's the point of encouraging lazy newbies who (in WCs words) take but don't give (rhetorical question).

OTOH, if they are lazy but paid-up members, then I sometimes send them a PM and remind them to either read back on a particular thread or nominate some selected posts by number in response to their question, despite its apparent inanity.

This behavior of posters like WR and West Coast appointing themselves as judge and jury has been a thorn in Jackson's side for years. He has said many times that the biggest problem on the board was these self-annointed 'judges' who have the effect of making others reluctant to write. A proverbial sparrow can't fall from a tree in the Philippines without these know alls pontificating about it.

This debate on the running of the Philippines board continues here in "Other Areas". I am going to cut and post this reply of mine into the "General Info" forum, as I think it more appropriate there. I hope this does not upset Mbsl65 who seems to prefer an undisciplined approach where anything could be posted anywhere.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750582]I'm saying there are basically two ways to run the board:
1) Let anyone post anything he wants.
2) Keep some kind of order to it.

I prefer #2.[/QUOTE]I agree with your opinion Westcoast. But it is a free board where it is so easy for anyone to post anything, anywhere, (like here under "Other Areas" We do need some form of disciplined approach and order. And it is through guys like yourself WC that the Philippines Forum is one of ISG's better ones. I also agree WC with your stance on the "Photo Galley" being for posting of photos and not being clogged up with other comments when there is a separate "Photo Gallery Chit Chat" for photo discussion and feedback.

But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1750686]Most of the lazy questions come from newbies who discover the board and immediately fire off some inane request that regular readers know has been "done to death" in many different places. I just skip past them nowadays; I cannot even be bothered reminding them to RTFF. What's the point of encouraging lazy newbies who (in WCs words) take but don't give (rhetorical question).[/QUOTE]Well said Red Kilt. It is these lazy, sometimes inane, questions that can frustrate more experienced members like WC who, I must say is one of the most generous in sharing information, and photos, on these forums, or by way of a personal messages.

Kongking.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1750692]This behavior of posters like WR and West Coast appointing themselves as judge and jury has been a thorn in Jackson's side for years. He has said many times that the biggest problem on the board was these self-annointed 'judges' who have the effect of making others reluctant to write. A proverbial sparrow can't fall from a tree in the Philippines without these know alls pontificating about it.[/QUOTE]DD,

Good to see you posting again and with such intelligence and foresight. Best read all the posts from KK, RK etc before you comment as you ten to shoot from the hip at times and then get annoyed when others all you out. Read what has been said and you will see no one appoints anyone as moderator or whatever, just there is a modicum of order and understanding. Where you normally post does not have that hence you see anyone trying to male the thread readable and enjoyable (and not full of inane, lazy, and outright stupid FRs).

Go to the Indian board and if you truly want that style of thread ask Jackson for you own so you handle all the "where is a good hotel in Manila" or "please send me her digits bro" questions. WC, KK, RK et al (including myself) would be happy not to read that rubbish so the Philippine thread is more informative. Or do you prefer chaos and banality? LOL.

Gents,

I am reading this as outsider to PH but we had and have similar situations on boards I am an only a regular member too.

I have seen boards literally get destroyed by this.

This is for f* sake a mongering board and not Queen Elizabeth coffee chat. There are personalities here that are strongly opiniated. That is good. They may go overboard at times. But they are the heart and soul of the Board here. If you not like them or their opinion move on. Ignore it at your own loss. But stop behaving like YOU own things here. Without WC, WR etc there would be very little info. And they earned their right.

If you move to a new neighborhood you do no start telling the incumbents what to do. Or do you?

Giving people feedback that what and how they say things may be not the best way to do it is of course a good thing. But this aggressive behavior only suits egos. It surely does nothing to improve the situation for others.

What I read here makes it very clear who is trying to be helpful and who is not.

When I started here in another geography I got a lot of help from people like WC etc. I was very grateful even I did not like all I heard and clashed with people. But I first tried to contribute and then induce changes. Not bash in the door shouting.

For a time we had an exceptional board. Now the discussions are only noobs asking question without any RTFF and old hands getting attacked for being unhelpful. But people only ask and criticize. Few are giving back.

So information wise things are as bad as it gets apart from the pm help given by people like WC etc.

These boards live from our participation and mutual respect. Which needs to be earned. WestCoast maybe judgmental at times and only be a normal member. But his contributions give him that right a thousand times.

IMHO. And stay as you are!

FA.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1750692]This behavior of posters like WR and West Coast appointing themselves as judge and jury has been a thorn in Jackson's side for years. He has said many times that the biggest problem on the board was these self-annointed 'judges' who have the effect of making others reluctant to write. A proverbial sparrow can't fall from a tree in the Philippines without these know alls pontificating about it.[/QUOTE]Apology DD, I missed your post here recently. I was not aware of Jackson having a problem with any of my posts. I've never been moderated / warned here, and never been contacted by Admin regarding such.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1751128]Gents,

These boards live from our participation and mutual respect. Which needs to be earned. WestCoast maybe judgmental at times and only be a normal member. But his contributions give him that right a thousand times.

IMHO. And stay as you are!

FA.[/QUOTE]We are not criticizing his or others' contributions. We are criticizing their manner. Anyone can contribute somewhat useful info. The issue is jumping on the posters regardless of what. If you all notice same group of people are supporting each others too. Because they are the same ones are ganging on the posters. From now on, we all need to call their BS until they can not feel themselves as self appointed moderators. This also includes Photos Section. I will no longer honor their wishes since I see no reason to do so.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1751144]From now on, we all need to call their BS until they can not feel themselves as self appointed moderators. This also includes Photos Section. I will no longer honor their wishes since I see no reason to do so.[/QUOTE]You can always report a post to the board Admin if you think it somehow violates the Board rules. I think there is a 'Report Post' button.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751153]You can always report a post to the board Admin if you think it somehow violates the Board rules. I think there is a 'Report Post' button.[/QUOTE]One of the culprit is you and you are expecting me to complain about you. Why should I? I am calling your BS publicly and it is more than enough.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1750692]This behavior of posters like WR and West Coast appointing themselves as judge and jury has been a thorn in Jackson's side for years. He has said many times that the biggest problem on the board was these self-annointed 'judges' who have the effect of making others reluctant to write. A proverbial sparrow can't fall from a tree in the Philippines without these know alls pontificating about it.[/QUOTE]Actually it is the number of lazy questions and the pollution it creates that has put me off contributing more, plus the feeling of many people who think that because they paid twenty bucks they are somehow entitled to my time. Not to mention the appeals to the "monger brotherhood code".

It seems different things grate different people, who could have guessed.

Oh yes, and the small difference in the number of useful contributions both online and in the flesh coming from different people. Some of us judge people on that. Shocking, I know.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1751158]One of the culprit is you and you are expecting me to complain about you. Why should I? I am calling your BS publicly and it is more than enough.[/QUOTE]Already I've somewhat agreed, and acquiesced to your request. The reason I mention the 'Report Post' button are:

1. There is a way to complain to Admin (other than just the public complaints here), and I want everyone (not just MB) to know what that is, and 2. I don't mind if you report my posts. I'm sure others have done so in the past. However since I've never been warned (or even contacted) by the board Admin, I doubt it will get you anywhere.

The phils boards somehow got 'hijacked' long before I got here (1990's?) by the old guard. I was simply proceeding in the same mold (sorry you felt it was BS). If the gents want a change, then I'm game (and am now repeating myself regarding such). Probably we'll have to agree to disagree on the way to operate the board, but I've already stated I'm willing to do it differently. That decision is not based on MB's publicly calling the method BS, its based on the writings of various gents. BTW I've been contacted in PM many times both recently and in the past over this issue. There are guys who really really don't like the current method, and guys who really really don't want to change the current method of newbs not posting questions. Each side seems fiercely adamant. I've told many of them to post their thoughts in the public forum, but they did not.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751142]Apology DD, I missed your post here recently. I was not aware of Jackson having a problem with any of my posts. I've never been moderated / warned here, and never been contacted by Admin regarding such.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1750692]This behavior of posters like WR and West Coast appointing themselves as judge and jury has been a thorn in Jackson's side for years. He has said many times that the biggest problem on the board was these self-annointed 'judges' who have the effect of making others reluctant to write. [/QUOTE]Hahaha DD? I find that rather rich. Still waiting for you to show that. A quick look through your posts shows that you have been slapped around by Jackson a number of times:

Manila thread, p141, Dec-24-2013, post #12033: [I][B]EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were largely antagonistic. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You![/B] [/I].

Colombia / The Down Under Group's Medellin Mansion thread, p141, Nov-2-2006, post #1176: [I][B]EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the content of the report was largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You![/B] [/I].

Again on the Colombia / The Down Under Group's Medellin Mansion thread, p141, Nov-1-2006, post #1173: [I][B]EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth. The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.[/B] [/I].

Back to the Manila thread, p817, Sept-08-2006, post 1885: [I][B]EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the Forum's No Crosstalk Policy. Please do not post any report that refers to or directly addresses another Forum Member while this Forum is operating under the No Crosstalk restriction. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. Thanks![/B] [/I].

I think pinoy call DD's kind of post "two-faced".

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1751158]One of the culprit is you and you are expecting me to complain about you. Why should I? I am calling your BS publicly and it is more than enough.[/QUOTE]How can somebody be publicly scorned in an anonymous forum?

[QUOTE=Slippery;1751938]How can somebody be publicly scorned in an anonymous forum?[/QUOTE]I think we all have some kind of online 'persona', even if the thing's anonymous. I don't mind being "called out" by MB (or others). I think it gives voice to the differing opinions, and debate is usually a positive thing. The individual's character is the thing on display.

On Sept 17 I will arrive at the Marriott Cebu for a two-week holiday. I might actually write a field report. One of the clockers here recently advised against the Marriott for some idiotic reason. I've found it to be a wonderful place for a monger. All the comforts a westerner would expect and. Location, location. More later.

To those concerned, it is time you guys stopped beating this dead horse. I think both sides have been presented sufficiently. This is the "other areas" thread. Could you kindly take it to pm?

Marianne Suites, CDO. Budget hotel, not far from the Ayala mall. Tiano Brothers at corner Luna streets. I got the largest room (which ain't that big), with a queen bed, + breakfast, p1700/ night. They are now accepting credit cards. The wifi was modestly good all the time. The hotel is about 2 years old, so most everything is new. Non-smoking hotel. Simple, plated breakfast. When I had 3-somes spend the night, the third breakfast was p105. No problems bringing girls in / out any time of day. The rooms are carpeted, with a mirror and a shelf, but no hanging closet to hang my shirts. Its a block from Velez street and MacArthur park (also called de Lara park).

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1751977]On Sept 17 I will arrive at the Marriott Cebu for a two-week holiday. I might actually write a field report. One of the clockers here recently advised against the Marriott for some idiotic reason. I've found it to be a wonderful place for a monger. All the comforts a westerner would expect and. Location, location. More later.[/QUOTE]Cebu Marriott is a great place for mongering. It is safe and it is part of the Ayala Mall complex. They don't bother anyone and staff is very accommodating. Now, the negative part, hotel is tired and rooms are small. Quest Hotel is a better option and even Mandarin is a better place to stay than Marriott at 1/3 of the price.

My list of the hotels to stay.

#1 Quest.

#2 Radisson Blu (usually fully booked due to conventions).

#3 Mandarin.

#4 Marriott.

I never stayed in other hotels but Best Western Lex, Elizabeth and Parklane do get good reviews also.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1757312]Cebu Marriott is a great place for mongering. It is safe and it is part of the Ayala Mall complex. They don't bother anyone and staff is very accommodating. Now, the negative part, hotel is tired and rooms are small. Quest Hotel is a better option and even Mandarin is a better place to stay than Marriott at 1/3 of the price.


I never stayed in other hotels but Best Western Lex, Elizabeth and Parklane do get good reviews also.[/QUOTE]Marriott is old and tired IMHO so unless you are a regular user of the chain and get lots upgrades stay elsewhere.

Look in the Cebu hotel thread DD as plenty information there.

IMO Quest rooms are small (well showers certainly). I like the Elizabeth as that is very quick to get to Ayala.

And the rate I get is very good as not advertised on any web site.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1757312]Cebu Marriott is a great place for mongering. It is safe and it is part of the Ayala Mall complex. They don't bother anyone and staff is very accommodating. Now, the negative part, hotel is tired and rooms are small. Quest Hotel is a better option and even Mandarin is a better place to stay than Marriott at 1/3 of the price.

My list of the hotels to stay.

#1 Quest.

#2 Radisson Blu (usually fully booked due to conventions).

#3 Mandarin.

#4 Marriott.

I never stayed in other hotels but Best Western Lex, Elizabeth and Parklane do get good reviews also.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Stayed there at the Marriott with a busty muse back in 2008 her blow job was exceptional.

I was in the Philippines for about six weeks last year from December to mid January. I spent time in Makati, Boracay, Palawan and AC.

I am returning to Manila this year in December for a few weeks and plan to stay in Makati and also would like to visit Puerto Galera but there is very little recent information or discussion about this destination. After RTFF, I determined that a few years ago, the local captains tried to runoff all the FL's from the area because they were cutting into their BF profits from the neighboring bars. However, not sure what the current status of this situation is or if it is worth a visit, either for the girls, beaches, or general ambience. There was also some general discussion about a proliferation of LB's but most of this information on the forum is several years old.

On my last trip, I met a veteran ex-pat who extolled the virtues of Puerto Galera but at the time, I had other destinations in mind.

He said of all the beach destinations in PHP he visited, this was his favorite and the one place he would consider staying for a longer term.

One nice thing is that one does not have to fly to get there from MNL like Boracay etc.

Tomasb, I was in Sabang beach last October and had a lovely time despite having the flu. My wingman returned this April and had a great month long stay. Here are more than enough freelancers, if you go to the clubs in the little alleys they are aplenty. The old reports still count for much, however you will pay more than claimed for hotels than stated in those reports. Check the reports of disitinction for a guide.

It's roughly six hours from Manila, personally I would not stay longer than five days though, bit slow paced for my liking however an ideal island beach to retire to.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1757458]Marriott is old and tired IMHO so unless you are a regular user of the chain and get lots upgrades stay elsewhere.

Look in the Cebu hotel thread DD as plenty information there.

IMO Quest rooms are small (well showers certainly). I like the Elizabeth as that is very quick to get to Ayala.

And the rate I get is very good as not advertised on any web site.[/QUOTE]I did stay in Executive Floor and it is a joke. There is reason to stay on the that floor unless you are hiding from the eyes. In many aspects Radisson Blu exec floor / lounge is not big of a deal either.

I need advise from the local experts. I have a friend that lived in Illigan City. So the idea would be for me to fly from Manila to Cagayan de Oro where my friends family would meet me.

Then together we would go by taxi to their home in Illigan City.

But. Since I am a "gringo" Westerner. Everyone I know tells me not to go. That is it very dangerous for a Westerner even in Northern Mindanao.

Now I would dress so as not to attract attention but the face I cannot hide.

I travel to all parts of Asia so I get around.

Are the dangers rear? Should I not go in fear of this or that?

I would really appreciate some true feedback as I really would like to go. But. No sense jumping into the fire.

Many thanks!!

[QUOTE=Firebird;1759868]I need advise from the local experts. I have a friend that lived in Illigan City. So the idea would be for me to fly from Manila to Cagayan de Oro where my friends family would meet me. Then together we would go by taxi to their home in Illigan City.You could. [/QUOTE]You did not elucidate who your "friend" is. An online dating contact I will assume? You could take a taxi. Most folk will take a bus. If her family comes from Illigan, they will take a bus (taxi's are expensive, pinoy take jeepneys and busses). In fact, the bus trip from CDO to Illigan is about 2 hours, and the airport is about halfway between CDO and Illigan. Might be better to catch the bus or taxi from the airport to Illigan, rather than traveling east from the airport into CDO (one hour), then traveling 2 hours west to Illigan.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1759868]Are the dangers rear? Should I not go in fear of this or that?[/QUOTE]Its much smarter to invite your girl to CDO, and for both of you to stay in CDO. Don't allow her bring more than one other person there to meet you, and then only for a brief amount of time (an hour: introductions and some small talk, then lose the friend). However, I can see since you've mentioned family, that the family thing has already been discussed. Is your intent to meet the family for the sake of legitimately dating / marrying this girl (that's what her family will think)? Or, to just pork her (that's what we will think)? Where do you intend to stay: a hotel? Her home? For your maiden trip to Mindanao, don't leave CDO. Its not that you need to be paranoid in Illigan, more its just not the place you go on a first trip there.

Please be advised: anytime her family is involved, don't be surprised if they treat you like an ATM; be prepared to shell out large pesos (at her rural level) for food, drink, gifts, etcetera for the family (its expected).

Other gents jump in here.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1759880]You did not elucidate who your "friend" is. An online dating contact I will assume? You could take a taxi. Most folk will take a bus. If her family comes from Illigan, they will take a bus (taxi's are expensive, pinoy take jeepneys and busses). In fact, the bus trip from CDO to Illigan is about 2 hours, and the airport is about halfway between CDO and Illigan. Might be better to catch the bus or taxi from the airport to Illigan, rather than traveling east from the airport into CDO (one hour), then traveling 2 hours west to Illigan.

Its much smarter to invite your girl to CDO, and for both of you to stay in CDO. Don't allow her bring more than one other person there to meet you, and then only for a brief amount of time (an hour: introductions and some small talk, then lose the friend). However, I can see since you've mentioned family, that the family thing has already been discussed. Is your intent to meet the family for the sake of legitimately dating / marrying this girl (that's what her family will think)? Or, to just pork her (that's what we will think)? Where do you intend to stay: a hotel? Her home? For your maiden trip to Mindanao, don't leave CDO. Its not that you need to be paranoid in Illigan, more its just not the place you go on a first trip there.

Please be advised: anytime her family is involved, don't be surprised if they treat you like an ATM; be prepared to shell out large pesos (at her rural level) for food, drink, gifts, etcetera for the family (its expected).

Other gents jump in here.[/QUOTE]Westcoast, as always. You are superb in your reply!

My comments. Girl I have been meeting for close to a year each time I come to Makati. Yes, I do support her in little ways. Clothing, pay for electricity and treat her well. Even got some furniture for her and got hor roof fixed.

Am I foolish. Perhaps, but then again I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away money on other foolish things, why not make another persons life little better. And yes we have lot of "fun" together.

THe family would come to CGO as protection.

Westy. You being an expert in what you say. I will take your advise and not travel there. MANY THANKS for your feedback!!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1759880]
Its much smarter to invite your girl to CDO, and for both of you to stay in CDO. Don't allow her bring more than one other person there to meet you, and then only for a brief amount of time (an hour: introductions and some small talk, then lose the friend). However, I can see since you've mentioned family, that the family thing has already been discussed. Is your intent to meet the family for the sake of legitimately dating / marrying this girl (that's what her family will think)? Or, to just pork her (that's what we will think)? Where do you intend to stay: a hotel? Her home? For your maiden trip to Mindanao, don't leave CDO. Its not that you need to be paranoid in Illigan, more its just not the place you go on a first trip there.

Please be advised: anytime her family is involved, don't be surprised if they treat you like an ATM; be prepared to shell out large pesos (at her rural level) for food, drink, gifts, etcetera for the family (its expected).

Other gents jump in here.[/QUOTE]That advice is good advice Firebird. Mindanao is not for newbies per se and I would stay CDO.

Family is a big issue. I have met the family but in a resto, my terms and a few turned up. If you go to Illigan you will meet the much larger 'family' which will included distant relatives all of whom will want to see the size of your wallet and not much else.

Examples:

1. A good friend went to meet the family on their town about 45 minutes from Cebu. Around 40 people were there and he was expected to foot the bill for food and drink etc. He was warned by me but thought he should see the family and believed they would not be that bad. He then invited the mom and the to the hotel for lunch (nice buffet) and 15 turned up. He was not tough enough to say "go home".

2. When I was a newbie (we all are once at least!) I met a girl in a mall (following advice from others) and still 5 family members turned up expecting a feed before I was allowed to feed her sausage all night. Now we could that does happen and it does but not with 5 family members.

3. Another friend in Cebu invited mom / dad for Fathers Day lunch. But to his surprise 9 family members turned up ordered 3 times more food they could eat (always seafood and steak), had it ate some and took the rest home for the larger family waiting.

So be cautious. Yes see the mom and dad as this will make the relationship legitimate as Westie says and helps the girl as well. Parents wills see you, also see you are a decent guy then tell her (maybe) to let you pork her all day every day. Does happen trust me.

But first time make it your rules don't let me dictate and certainly not where you are intending to go.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1759884]Westcoast, as always. You are superb in your reply!

My comments. Girl I have been meeting for close to a year each time I come to Makati. Yes, I do support her in little ways. Clothing, pay for electricity and treat her well. Even got some furniture for her and got hor roof fixed.

Am I foolish. Perhaps, but then again I **** away money on other foolish things, why not make another persons life little better. And yes we have lot of "fun" together.

THe family would come to CGO as protection.

Westy. You being an expert in what you say. I will take your advise and not travel there. MANY THANKS for your feedback!![/QUOTE]I'm a bit on the fence. Friend of mine went from CDO to Illigan recently, 2 nights, no problems. What say the other gents?

I was in Koronadal at the time of that SAF massacre that happened up the road last January. No real problems there, but I did get allot of attention. All up in the T-boli mountainous area was ok, and Kidapawan was ok. A friend rode his motorcycle from Illigan to Dapitan and lived. But if you hang around Illigan much, or go outside of the area, you're being watched. If you go south of there to Marawi, or north of Koronadal, going to Cotobato, you're nuts. I don't really see much reason to go to any of those places unless you just have allot of time to kill, and something else is bothering you.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1759868]I need advise from the local experts. I have a friend that lived in Illigan City. So the idea would be for me to fly from Manila to Cagayan de Oro where my friends family would meet me.

Then together we would go by taxi to their home in Illigan City.

But. Since I am a "gringo" Westerner. Everyone I know tells me not to go. That is it very dangerous for a Westerner even in Northern Mindanao.

Now I would dress so as not to attract attention but the face I cannot hide.

I travel to all parts of Asia so I get around.

Are the dangers rear? Should I not go in fear of this or that?

I would really appreciate some true feedback as I really would like to go. But. No sense jumping into the fire.

Many thanks!![/QUOTE]I have been to Cagayan de Oro many years ago. I have friends that still live there. All I can say is that the Muslims there are becoming more and more radical. Kidnappings, murder is their specialty. If you don't have to go there why bother. There are much safer places to travel. The thing is that you can't tell who is Muslim and who is not because they are Filipino. Why risk your life for what? The govt is so corrupt there, the lawless people know that they stand a very good chance of getting away with hurting or killing you. Even if they were to get caught they know there is a very small chance they will prosecuted.

Westcoast has given you some good advice there Firebird, specially as a first time traveller to the northern Mindanao region. You are obviously in a long-term relationship with a special Filipina, and you are helping her and perhaps her family out a bit. You maybe under pressure to see her on her home turf.

I have been to, and stayed in, Iligan on three separate occasions and have felt quite safe. But like Sam I would not tempt my fate travelling further east and south of there. If, Firebird, you have a need to see your girl, and family on the home patch here is a suggested arrangement. Stay a night or two at Kingsway Inn on the main highway. It is just 100 meters from Gaisano Mall, the only big shopping mall in Iligan. There are quite a few restaurants in the immediate area. Pretty safe (compared to Malate and Ermita!

So if you want to see the home and family of your girl as an alternative to going to Cagayan de Oro you can get a bus (about p90) or a yellow airport taxi (about p600) from Laguindingan Airport direct to Iligan. A day or two there should be enough to see the family, maybe take them out for a dinner, and perhaps have a look at some of the nice waterfalls in the area (eg Maria Cristina Falla, Tinago Falls).

KongKing.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1759868]I need advise from the local experts.

Many thanks!![/QUOTE]First of all good luck to you in your travel. Mindanao is a beautiful place. I wish they did not have tensions. I am sure world would visit the place. If you stay in CDO, Limketkai Luxe Hotel or Seda are very good options. Both of them do have good facilities.

To ALL that have given me information concerning my desire to travel to Illigan City. HUGE THANKS!!

KongKing I will PM you.

Thanks Again.

Firebird.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1759979]I was in Koronadal at the time of that SAF massacre that happened up the road last January. No real problems there, but I did get allot of attention. All up in the T-boli mountainous area was ok, and Kidapawan was ok. A friend rode his motorcycle from Illigan to Dapitan and lived. But if you hang around Illigan much, or go outside of the area, you're being watched. If you go south of there to Marawi, or north of Koronadal, going to Cotobato, you're nuts. I don't really see much reason to go to any of those places unless you just have allot of time to kill, and something else is bothering you.[/QUOTE]What do you think about General Santos? I have been chatting with this beauty last couple of months and she is expecting me to visit there. I will be in Cebu tomorrow and I have been trying to convince her to join me in Cebu. But so far it does not look promising.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1760007]I would not tempt my fate travelling further east and south of there. KongKing.[/QUOTE]I meant travelling further WEST not east.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1760038]What do you think about General Santos? I have been chatting with this beauty last couple of months and she is expecting me to visit there. I will be in Cebu tomorrow and I have been trying to convince her to join me in Cebu. But so far it does not look promising.[/QUOTE]Other than the problem of boredom, there's no issue with General Santos. It's safe. PLUS, ITS AN EASY DRIVE FROM THERE TO Davao.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1760133]Other than the problem of boredom, there's no issue with General Santos. It's safe. <Snip> [/QUOTE]So true! The center of the universe there is the malls. The girls are friendly enough, but you would probably want to have someone lined up if you intend to get much action. It's hotter too, and rather noisy. It's a good base if you want to explore the region and meet allot of nice people. But again, not much of a monger destination. Here's a lovely Gen San province girl in a not so lovely room. I was testing her to see if she only loved me for my money. A much better choice for the budget traveler would be the Dolores for the same price, about p800..

Not sure where to post this, what thread. Discussion lately of Filipinas being late to this or that meeting. Pinoy comedian Mikey Busos on pinoy time:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IxKnJP2JuM[/URL]

WC.

I have traveled quite widely around Mindanao during several trips over the last decade. Is it safe? That all depends on your personal travel experience, your comfort zone, karma and luck. Safety is, of course a relative thing. Speaking generally, the Philippines is Not a safe country. Bad things can, and frequently do happen to good people. Most of my travels have been by air-con bus, V hire vans and jeepneys in more remote areas. I have been as far south as Lake Sebu, beyond Koronadel in South Cotobato, General Santos, Davao and all the way up to Surigao City on the northern tip on several occasions, with side trips to a number of coastal destinations. Traveled a few times from Davao inland through Bukidnon and several times the whole of the north coast from Surigao, Batuan, Camiguin Island, CDO, Iligan, Ozamis, to Dapitan / Dipolog and as far as Pagadian. That is where my personal warning bells signaled "Far Enough!

West Coast and Kongking really know their stuff and their advice is invaluable. A few other guys can also offer useful insights. Be less influenced by those who have only been once and only know CDO or Davao. Just because you've visited Paris and Rome, doesn't mean you have any insight of France and Italy.

Iligan has always seemed safe to me, but Lake Marawi, an hour away, is "Indian Country". Only guys with more balls than brains would go to Cotobato and Zamboanga City and their surrounding provincial areas. Note: the province of Zamboanga del Norte is a safe and lovely place to travel. It's important to know your geography, pay attention to news reports and accept advice from experienced travelers. Always travel with a smile and keep a low profile. Local advice is often not useful, nor accurate. Most Filipinos have no concept of geography, don't follow current affairs and often have no knowledge of anywhere and anything outside their immediate area.

So, in summary, it all depends on your personal comfort zone, your knowledge, your previous travel experience, your willingness to take risks, to be as informed as possible and whether your luck holds. For me, I feel safer in Mindanao than I would in Manila.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1760038]What do you think about General Santos? I have been chatting with this beauty last couple of months and she is expecting me to visit there. I will be in Cebu tomorrow and I have been trying to convince her to join me in Cebu. But so far it does not look promising.[/QUOTE]I travelled to and stayed in Gensan via Cebu pacific from Manila to see the fish port. It was very protected place and lots of armed guards. A little uneasy feeling. Went to the mall there, was offered some dates, sisters, etc but ended up with a DIA girl who just wanted to lose her virginity I guess. Tight and very good times. A little messy.

Anyway, on day three I had breakfast at the hotel. East asian royal, and in the paper it said US embassy issues warning to get out of Mindanao. So I asked the armed security at the hotel to find me a safe way back to the airport. He had a brother in the personal security business, showed up in 10 minutes with a nondescript taxi, a judge (50 caliper) pistol, and off we went. Once at the airport he accompanies me to the front of security check. I walk through immediately, he takes me to the gate, and off I go. He did not want paid, but I insisted. Nice guy.

So you have options there, and I really never felt threatened or unsafe except a little uneasy at the fish port.

PM.

Thanks to everyone who gave info. I think I will skip on GenSan this time. Aug 4, 2015 I had a lunch at Grand Hyatt Erawan with the lady I am dating in Bangkok where the bomb went off last night. I think I am lucky and I will not push my luck too much by going out of the comfort zone.

My first trip book of Philippine Bacolod.

It was a due to post my Bacolod FR but it gone delay for some unavoidable reasons. Even later better than never. On 22nd Feb'15 I catch my flight from NAIA 3 for Bacolod after arriving directly from Angeles. Here is my full FR.

While the flight on Bacolod runway, I got the text message from her that she is waiting for me out side of arrival hall wearing full sleeve white blouse. Full sleeve; it is pretty warm weather out there but why full sleeve! Ok, soon there will be no sleeve just wait and let me down over there. When I step out from the gate my eyes straight fallen on her standing outside of fence wearing black glass on her eyes. Her full sleeve white hands were kept busy to clear up her face from her silky shoulder length hairs covering again and again. My eyes get down on her shorts, revealed polite legs and finally on her feet. Where thin rope black lace surrounded her feet and ankle wondering me does that snake bite her or not. My head just gone blank seeing her lovely beauty and I come back in me when security guard take over my trolley and helped me to way out.

In Skype I found this 27 years old girl who is funny, bubbly, cracking in laugh with simple little words. Who newly break up with her boyfriend. But in real she was not. She appears just an innocent girl who is so lovable and sensitive; need to be a careful touch unless the beautiful flowers leaves will be spread down on the ground. Ah! I did not arrive in Bacolod to see such kind of girl. M a player and need a player too. She introduced me with her elder brother and I saw my trolley in his hand. Holly molly, ha ha, she arrived in airport to receive me with her elder brother, who is a pure gentleman and accepted my shock with little smile. We all went out to ride the car; when I try to have my seat in front but Mr. Gentleman advised me to have my seat in back. And I obliged. Get my ass down beside the beautiful creature in the back seat. But was very careful to keep my dirty ass away from her. The Bacolod airport is far away from the city and all the way we talk about all the nonsense things. Stupid me was unable to stop turning around my neck to that lovely creature seated beside me; even am talking with her elder brother. A silent touch of her little finger on my palm; like an eclectic shock brings me back from my obsession. It was decided that first we will have dinner in their house and after that they will take me to my hotel Business inn. I knew before who are her family and with whom she living life. So I was prepared for her brother's wife and for her grandma. While preparing the dining table her brother take me to their garden and shows me what kind of rare trees and flowers he collected around the world. One of their sisters married a Chinese man who is in Horticulture and helping him all about the collections. This news was new to me, so politely I asked him does his sister happy with that Chinese horticulture man? Yes they are. They are very happy in their life. Bingo, so sorry my man, m not that kind of guy that your whole family thinking of. You are here in hunt of rare flowers, collecting around the world and me, arrived in Bacolod city to fuck an innocent pussy. So sorry my man, our worlds are so different.

While we are walking in the garden, I saw the highly busyness of her to preparing the dinner table under the portico. I feel her devotion when she keeping spoons, cleaning the plates. I feel her love and every touch when she preparing the glasses and napkins. Honey so sorry; I am not the one you looking for.

When the bye bye time arrived she wanted to ride the car to come along with us. But I strongly stopped her and take my seat in front of the car without asking anybody. I had already determined what I have to do and how to take off my ass from here. But it does not happen as the way I wanted. Around 10.30 pm I get text message from her that she is waiting for me in the hotel lounge. Unexpected, but I quickly went down to meet her. Offer her drinks but she declined. Then I suggested let's have a walk outside. She agreed but I understood she get little surprise why I wanted to walk outside instead of taking her room. We walk in front of the hotel back and forth and I informed her tomorrow morning I want to go to Cebu, does her brother can make a lift for me up to the airport? She made affirmative sign silently. I try to make her laugh with my naughty jokes. But she did not, always kept her head down and some time tries to see my face. Oh honey stop looking to me like this, don't make me broken any more. Then I tell her it is going late night now and she have to go back home. I stopped a taxi passing by and asked her to ride. Slowly she rode the taxi and only once she saw my face. I realized her die hard trying to stop her tears and quickly shut down the door to hide are face.

Before leaving Bacolod I texted her, what a surprise experience she have given to me. She is a girl who deserves a family with her kids surrounding her. She will cook food for them, sing a song for kids after dinner for sleeping. Then go to bed where the loving husband waiting for her. But I cannot be part of this world that I had lost many days ago. We have different worlds.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1766214]My first trip book of Philippine Bacolod.

Then go to bed where the loving husband waiting for her. But I cannot be part of this world that I had lost many days ago. We have different worlds.[/QUOTE]WOW. You are a true gentleman. The girls in Bacolod are very clean and innocent and my 29 yrs old was the same way. She was a stunner too. 5'7" 125 lbs girls are hard to come by.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1766388]WOW. You are a true gentleman. The girls in Bacolod are very clean and innocent and my 29 yrs old was the same way. She was a stunner too. 5'7" 125 lbs girls are hard to come by.[/QUOTE]My observation is same as you. In my short stay whatever the girls I saw most are clean and relatively taller. I will say they have relatively better health sense than the Manila chubby girls.

Glad I finally have something useful to add. Yes, the ladies in Bacolod are sweet. The city of smiles. I'm in my mid-forties and pretty good looking and intelligent and kind, so it's very easy for me in general here. I started to date the 20 year old who sold me a pair of Nikes in the SM Mall. Love at first site, gave her my business card and number. She spent about 4 hours the next two nights talking with me in my room. Light petting, fully clothed. She said she'd come back the third night and complete the deed. And boy did she ever! Very high sensitivity. Needed a mop to clean up the pool.

After the second night I was very frustrated and thought "Bacolod is supposed to be slow, but I'll take a walk and see what happens, need to cool down anyway. " Walked around and in very soon while by the Negros Occidental High School on Lacson St I saw 4 hot girls and one ugly one (a young mamasan!) walking. I crossed the street. I had to be aggressive or they would have just passed by. Picked out one. Super slim. They asked for 1500 pesos and I didn't bother negotiating but could have.

Back in my room it was non-stop texting no her part even as I took off her clothes and felt her body. Eventually I took the phone from her hand and threw it (gently on the other bed) and then we started. BJ was terrible with fake gagging so she could get out of it. The fuck was bad at all. Pretty good. Her body was very hot. Could have used more teeth. Not bad for not expecting anything.

Mr. Breeze

I spent 5 nights in Samar this past August in which my time was split between Samar Davao and AC.

Flew in to Calbayog and was met by an open minded lady I met online who brought her 19 yo niece and we headed to San Antonio Island north of Calbayog off the north. Took the ubiquitos white vans which fill the bus function in the provinces took about an hour north then took the ferry to San Antonio, Its a pretty spartan Island very primitive adn the 'resorts; had the bare minimum. We stayed at the Havenoffun Resort. There were other resorts that looked more developed but we tried that one. They had the local Red Horse and SM but I drink dry spirits so I was SOL.

Normally I don't need to drink if I'm going to have sex but the 19 yo proceeded to get totally hammered on red horse so I chocked down a couple of Tanduay Ice I was able to procure at one of the Sari stores in the Barangay down the dirt road but she was one of those nasty drunks so after she passed out the Antie took care of my needs and was very nice.

I announced in the morning that the vacation was cut short and we headed back to Calbayog due to the severe emotional issues of the niece. I have never dealt with this before but usually the girls I meet online I get to know pretty well and vet them before we meet. The antie was nice and slim and a real sweetheart since she was the one I knew online but she was setting me up with her blind date niece since she was too 'old;' in her mind 33 even though I'm 20 years older than her.

One issue with San Antonio Island is there is no electricity from 6 am to noon every day. So things get pretty steamy in the mornings.

So we headed back to Calbayog departed no hard feelings and I called my Calbayog 'GF' and she came on short notice. The people at the Phil Air office recommended the I's Plant Hotel. Just over the bridge from downtown. It was converted from the old Ice plant in 2008 and has almost zero internet footprint. I was shocked at how modern the place was that such a place existed in calbayog at all. We stayed in the room just behind the front desk it was very modern with a nice shower and big flat screen TV. I would definitely recommend that place I didn't expect to find it. I understand they have some crappy rooms there and the restaurant was pretty good by Calbayog standards and I don't mind filipino food.

After 4 nights there with my sweet little Waray I went to take the once a day early morning Phil Air flight to Manila which was cancelled so I they put us in the cramped white cab to Tacloban for an afternoon flight so my plan to be in AC by noon barely got me there at 10:30 pm.

Calbayog is a very small town very rough hewn place and populace, not any real restaurants. Its advanced somewhat since I stayed there at the 1 Star Eduardo Hotel and Marjucrisel back in 2005 to 2008 but not like other province cities. Definitely a bring your own girl place.

Pantot,

Very nice write up and report. You are more adventurous than me. I only got an hour or so outside of Tacloban across the bridge for a day trip. The girl wanted to show me her home in the province. There was nothing out there! We came back and stayed a few days in a nice Tacloban hotel. Caught her on her non-fertile days of her cycle. Man, did she let loose, screaming for the man juice - "inside honey- inside honey".

DG8787.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1777681]Pantot,

Very nice write up and report. You are more adventurous than me. I only got an hour or so outside of Tacloban across the bridge for a day trip. The girl wanted to show me her home in the province. There was nothing out there! We came back and stayed a few days in a nice Tacloban hotel. Caught her on her non-fertile days of her cycle. Man, did she let loose, screaming for the man juice - "inside honey- inside honey".

DG8787.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. Tacloban is 10 x more modern than Calbayog. And even though much of the populations of both are of the same tribe Calbayog is a rougher place. For example in Calbayog walking around in the evening you are much more likely to get some drunken catcalls from groups of men from afar directed at the girl on your arm. The girls I have been with in these cities are never actually from there so its not from guys they know. Being atrocious at language myself I have no idea if they are demeaning words or playful, and frankly I don't want to know or care. And they always are said with a smile and the girl never seems to notice. It actually took about a half a dozen trips to even realize this was even occuring. The girl never seems bothered so neither am I.

I am pretty adventurous. Our trip to San Antonio was delayed because we HAD to go visit the nieces family who were actually having two huge birthday parties one even having a roast pig with 30+ family members in each house. They always treat you like a celebrity in those situations and the majority of the females there would jump in the sack with you at the drop of a hat with the way they look at you. Niece needing to get 6 giant Red Horses for her and 3 older antie relatives at 10 am should have been a red flag.

We only stayed about 2 hours when the antie arrived who was from the other side of the family and not much into the party and we escaped.

You know ever since my vasectomy I never broach the subject of fertilty unless the girl brings it up. Seems like with young province girls or even newly arrived Province AC bar girls (half of which seemingly hail from Samar- Leyte- Biliran) most never even broach the subject at all and usually not until after I empty my load deep inside. When they ask, I answer, do you want to get preg by me? Most are inspired by the idea and then the answer of 'don't worry babe I will take care of you if that ever happens' is the worlds most giant aphrodisiac for the remainder of my time with her. If she is genuinely worried about getting preg 'not till I'm older' then I tell her don't worry its impossible. Most of those I have to actually had to graphically describe what a vasectomy is.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1777681]Pantot,
Caught her on her non-fertile days of her cycle. Man, did she let loose, screaming for the man juice - "inside honey- inside honey".[/QUOTE]The beauty of pilipinas over girls from other places. So many waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant the man-juice, that they f*ck like banshees (don't even know what a banshee is), at times trying to keep me from pulling out after I've finished spraying her innards. Stay home, mama's boys, the place ain't for you.

Pantot, nice FR.

From a CDO hotel website. How to get from the airport into the city:

[URL]http://thepacifico.com/location/[/URL]

FROM THE AIRPORT (Laguindingan):

There are many airport transportation providers that shuttle guests from the airport to CDO city. They are located upon exiting the arrival gate of the terminal. The travel time is approximately 1 hour including traffic.

HOTEL AIRPORT PICKUP:

The Pacifico can arrange a private airport pick up at reasonable rates. Please send a request through to [EMAIL]reservations@pacificohotel.com[/EMAIL] (Rocky, this email needs to autolink to this email).

SHUTTLE SERVICE:

The drop off points vary by providers whilst some have set drop off points in the city, others provide actual hotel drop off for the same price. The travel time will vary depending on the drop off points per shuttle.

MAGNUM Express.

Terminal: To CDO City: They are stationed outside Magnum Radio in CM Recto near Centrio Mall and another in Limketkai Mall. From the airport: Shuttle vans are stationed outside the airport's arrival area.

Schedule:

Their first trip bound for Laguindingan Airport leaves at 3:30 am and the last trip at 3 pm. There is a van that leaves every hour in between.

Fare:

Their regular rate is P200 per person one way however prices are subject to change without notice. Baggage Consideration: Passengers are allowed to bring one hand carry baggage and one extra luggage with no weight restriction. Extra charges apply for oversize baggage.

*LAX Shuttle (Laguindingan Airport Express).

Terminal: To CDO City: They are stationed outside the entrance to Centrio Mall Capt. Vicente Roa Street entrance. From the airport: Shuttle vans are stationed outside the airport's arrival area.

Schedule:

Their first trip bound for Laguindingan Airport leaves at 4 am and the last trip at 3 pm. There is a van that leaves every hour in between. No trip at 12 noon.

Fare:

Their regular rate is P200 per person one way however prices are subject to change without notice.

Baggage Consideration: Passengers are allowed to bring one hand carry and one check-in baggage that does not exceed 4028 inches in size. There is no weight limit.

TAXI:

Taxis are safe and regulate by the city of CDO. Airport Taxi (Yellow) are metered taxis with a flag down rate of PHP 70 and PHP 4 for every 300 meters. Average fare to CDO CBD is approximately PHP 700 depending on the destination.

RENT A CAR / VAN (CAGATRANSCO).

This is good for those who travel in a group since you have to rent the entire car or van.

To CDO City: *They are stationed outside They are located at Limketkai Center, near DFA and at the Rural Transit Bus Terminal in Agora. From the airport: Rental cars and vans are stationed outside the airport's arrival area. Schedule: By appointment. Fare: Vans range from PHP 1,500 to 1,800; Cars range from PHP 1,000 to 1,200. Vans can accommodate as much as 18 passengers while their cars can accommodate a maximum of 5. Prices are subject to change without notice.

I've been to south Cebu Island several times, but never made it further north than Danao / Carmen. I'd appreciate any and all info about good beaches and snorkeling in north Cebu, especially the pros and cons of the islands Malapasqua and Bantayan.

I will have a companion and we both like snorkeling. So p4 p and scuba diving info not necessary. I've found dive resorts to be full of friendly, helpful people and they know good snorkeling spots, so I won't hesitate to stay at such a place. I guess I should give it a try one of these days.

I'd prefer not to pay over php 3,000 per night on accommodation.

I know it's a long bus ride from north terminal to up north, which is why I've always headed in different directions.

There is a lot of information on the Net. Such as Malapasqua isn't so great for snorkeling. But on the net, there is always someone who disagrees.

Has anyone actually stayed in Daan Bantayan?

Over the years I've received a lot of great travel information from ISG members. Is this a sex site with members who like traveling or a travel site with member who like naughty sex. I guess both!

I will be spending a few nights in the Cebu City Marriott next to Ayala mall. Where's the closet place to find a new friend for the evening?

[QUOTE=Agee19;1790188]I will be spending a few nights in the Cebu City Marriott next to Ayala mall. Where's the closet place to find a new friend for the evening?[/QUOTE]? Ayala Mall.

[QUOTE=Python75;1790213]? Ayala Mall.[/QUOTE]Yes plenty there or on the street outside the hotel as teaming with them, lots (just like his FR history great information and lots of insights for fellow mongers LOL).

Not to be a total scare-monger, but this travel warning just out from the US State Department. These warnings come out from time-to-time regarding all vacation-spot countries where danger presents itself. One can sign up to receive travel alerts from the State Dept website. This warning, coupled recently with the Loreto (near Butuan) mayor (and his special-needs son) being kidnapped (taken from their home in Butuan) / tortured / killed by fake NBI officers (believed to be New People's Army personnel) should be at least *some* warning for newbs not to travel to the small provincial towns of Mindanao on their first visit. Sticking to CDO / Davao on a first visit, then venturing out to smaller towns on subsequent visits, would seem wise.

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The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the risks of travel to the Philippines, in particular to the Sulu Archipelago, certain regions and cities of the island of Mindanao, and the southern Sulu Sea area.This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning dated May 20, 2015, and reflects continuing threats in those areas due to terrorist and insurgent activities.

U.S. citizens should continue to defer non-essential travel to the Sulu Archipelago, due to the high threat of kidnapping of international travelers and violence linked to insurgency and terrorism there.

Based on a history of kidnappings and attempted kidnappings of foreigners in the Eastern Sabah province of Malaysia and in the southern Sulu Sea area by terrorist or insurgent groups based in the Sulu Archipelago, U.S. citizens should continue to exercise extreme caution if considering travel in the southern Sulu Sea region from the southern tip of Palawan, along the coast of Sabah, Malaysia and the islands of the Sulu Archipelago, up to Zamboanga City, Mindanao.

U.S. citizens should also continue to exercise extreme caution if traveling to certain regions and cities of the island of Mindanao. Separatist and terrorist groups continue to conduct bombings, kidnappings and attacks against civilians, political leaders, and Philippine security forces. Over the past nine months, at least 15 separate kidnappings have been reported across Mindanao. In western Mindanao, terrorist, insurgent, and criminal gangs regularly conduct kidnappings for ransom, including the kidnapping of a foreigner in Dipolog City in early October 2015 by unknown assailants. In central Mindanao, the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) remain active in the Cotabato City area, and in the Maguindanao, North Cotabato, and Sultan Kudarat provinces, where the government maintains a state of emergency and a greater police presence. While there have been no recent reported terrorist threats or incidents within the Davao City or Surigao city limits, eastern Mindanao is not free from threats. In September 2015, assailants believed to be members of the Abu Sayyaf Group kidnapped four individuals from the popular resort island of Samal, a 15 minute boat ride from Davao City. Two other individuals narrowly escaped kidnapping in the same incident. There have been no reports of U.S. citizens in Mindanao targeted specifically for their nationality; however, general threats to U.S. citizens and other foreigners throughout Mindanao remain a concern.

Although U.S. government officials in the Philippines travel to Mindanao for official business without incident, the Embassy has imposed a strict restriction on all but the most essential travel to the area, and Embassy employees must receive special authorization from Embassy security officials to travel to any location in Mindanao and the Sulu archipelago.

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[QUOTE=Agee19;1790188]I will be spending a few nights in the Cebu City Marriott next to Ayala mall. Where's the closet place to find a new friend for the evening?[/QUOTE]The nearest place would be to just ask one of the doormen to send you someone. I have no ideas about closet friends!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1790438]The nearest place would be to just ask one of the doormen to send you someone. I have no ideas about closet friends![/QUOTE]Well DG, what if the doorman is a LB? Bakla? And what if the Marriott is not GFE? Big questions ad huge worries for him?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1790438]The nearest place would be to just ask one of the doormen to send you someone. I have no ideas about closet friends![/QUOTE]Oops, sorry. I meant closest. But maybe it would be fun to bring someone into the closet. Any activity in the mall?

[URL]http://ayalamallcebu.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Agee19;1790609]Oops, sorry. I meant closest. But maybe it would be fun to bring someone into the closet. Any activity in the mall?

[URL]http://ayalamallcebu.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I think these who know Cebu know the mall.

There is a separate Cebu thread so appear you have not even found that and the FRs there are full of the information you keep asking) 10 FRs and counting). Try RTFF again as am sure even you can find the Cebu thread and there all the girl action is noted.

A tip. Advanced search is near the top of the page.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1790661]I think these who know Cebu know the mall.

There is a separate Cebu thread so appear you have not even found that and the FRs there are full of the information you keep asking) 10 FRs and counting). Try RTFF again as am sure even you can find the Cebu thread and there all the girl action is noted.

A tip. Advanced search is near the top of the page.[/QUOTE]Great. That helped a lot. Lots of great tips on the Cebu page.

I'm in the process of planning my trip, will be in 7 different places. I have the info now on all of them except one. Anyone have info on Tagaytay. Where's the best place to find girls there?

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1790549]Well DG, what if the doorman is a LB? Bakla? And what if the Marriott is not GFE? Big questions ad huge worries for him?[/QUOTE]WR,

He asked for the nearest place! LB have some of the most beautiful friends too. Plenty of what if's in this world! You either learn from other people's (rtff) experience or your own experiences.

Dg8787.

Ps. Bakla would be a closet thing and should be kept there.

[QUOTE=Agee19;1790908]I'm in the process of planning my trip, will be in 7 different places. I have the info now on all of them except one. Anyone have info on Tagaytay. Where's the best place to find girls there?[/QUOTE]Yet another question. How many will you ask before you actually post a FR (many) and contribute? Why don't you try RTFF and then visit and post lots of FRs and the people will take you seriously.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1790661]I think these who know Cebu know the mall.[/QUOTE]It looks like Cebu is now slipping in here under the title of "Other Areas". Not good.

I think it was a big mistake pushing Cebu off the main index and into a two click away "Link to the Cebu Forum". The consequence has been a major drop off in Cebu contributions. And now we have Cebu postings inserted here in this Other Areas forum. If Cebu was repositioned within the main thread you can clearly see when new postings occur, but locked away in a subsidiary Cebu thread you can't see if there is a new posting without scanning there. For me it means I seldom use the Cebu link.

Perhaps WR you can take this up with Jackson, as I think you were one of the key ones advocating a separation?

[QUOTE=KongKing;1791123]
I think it was a big mistake pushing Cebu off the main index and into a two click away "Link to the Cebu Forum". The consequence has been a major drop off in Cebu contributions. And now we have Cebu postings inserted here in this Other Areas forum. If Cebu was repositioned within the main thread you can clearly see when new postings occur, but locked away in a subsidiary Cebu thread you can't see if there is a new posting without scanning there. For me it means I seldom use the Cebu link.

Perhaps WR you can take this up with Jackson, as I think you were one of the key ones advocating a separation?[/QUOTE]I remember when the Cebu thread was on the main index and it was like a dog's breakfast with people posting everything and anything on it with no organization.

At present there are 7 separate Cebu sections under the one heading with around 15 sub-sections but they are all contained under the Cebu heading.

I like it as a separate thread. If we go back to how it was we will have Cebu-general, Cebu bars, Cebu restaurants etc all over the main page. It's easy to find on the main Philippines index, same as AC or Makati or Manila etc.

I vote leave it how it is.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1791166]I remember when the Cebu thread was on the main index and it was like a dog's breakfast with people posting everything and anything on it with no organization.

At present there are 7 separate Cebu sections under the one heading with around 15 sub-sections but they are all contained under the Cebu heading.

I like it as a separate thread. If we go back to how it was we will have Cebu-general, Cebu bars, Cebu restaurants etc all over the main page. It's easy to find on the main Philippines index, same as AC or Makati or Manila etc.

I vote leave it how it is.[/QUOTE]Gents I\(I mean KK and RK if you had not realised LOL).

The Cebu thread is fine ad I concur with RK.

The issue is that this poster is clearly brain dead and does not even RTFF and is lazy all at the same time!! If he had a odium of gray matter he would see the link to Cebu. I should / could have moved it but this thread gets little attention.

So hopefully he gets the message and stops asking question (all or 90+% o hos FRs are same type questions with nothing given all 'take'.

So am happy Cebu is where it is KK and yes I was one who supported the moving of the thread as it was a pickle.

Now onto more important issues. RWC who will win (and I know it won't be the Poms gents but remember I do have dual nationality when I need it LOL). UBt I did like the fact the Frogs were heavily spanked (not literally or WR or Cunning style).

[QUOTE=Agee19;1790908]Great. That helped a lot. Lots of great tips on the Cebu page.
I'm in the process of planning my trip, will be in 7 different places. I have the info now on all of them except one. Anyone have info on Tagaytay. Where's the best place to find girls there?[/QUOTE]Tagaytay is an upscale Filipino travel spot to my knowledge. Most of my friends who went there bring their own ladies and I don't think it is an mongering area.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1791221]Gents I\(I mean KK and RK if you had not realised LOL).
The Cebu thread is fine ad I concur with RK.
.[/QUOTE]Cebu tread is not fine and it is dead. Despite to my experience around Cebu area, I refuse to follow and post in a nonsense location. You have a great knowledge and you post there. Don't you wish more people would join and participate to your postings?

[QUOTE=KongKing;1791123]It looks like Cebu is now slipping in here under the title of "Other Areas". Not good.

I think it was a big mistake pushing Cebu off the main index and into a two click away "Link to the Cebu Forum". The consequence has been a major drop off in Cebu contributions. And now we have Cebu postings inserted here in this Other Areas forum. If Cebu was repositioned within the main thread you can clearly see when new postings occur, but locked away in a subsidiary Cebu thread you can't see if there is a new posting without scanning there. For me it means I seldom use the Cebu link.

Perhaps WR you can take this up with Jackson, as I think you were one of the key ones advocating a separation?[/QUOTE]You are making too much sense. Just read the reactions to your post and you will find out who was the reason for the move.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1791370]You are making too much sense. Just read the reactions to your post and you will find out who was the reason for the move.[/QUOTE]KK making sense? LOL I know KK well and I like to think he makes sense LOL.

Seriously I am hay as if less guys come to Cebu then more for me LOL. Also before the Cebu information was a total mess and now (as the county's second largest place and top tourism destination) it is better and more organised.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1791635]KK making sense? LOL I know KK well and I like to think he makes sense LOL.

Seriously I am hay as if less guys come to Cebu then more for me LOL. Also before the Cebu information was a total mess and now (as the county's second largest place and top tourism destination) it is better and more organised.[/QUOTE]So, you call almost abandoned forum organized? Sometimes people do mistakes and it is OK to correct them. There is logical way to keep the forums the way they are separated. Unless logic is a fuzzy logic.

Hello,

Before going to AC I am going to spend some days in Cagayan De Oro. I just wanted to have some time in a city where you will not see to many prostitutes. I did meet some ladies online that I will probably meet once I am there. Anyone has a clue if you can also persuade ' normal ' girls for some sexual activities in return for money or gifts after meeting them in a setting like a shopping mall.

Thanks in advance,

Frits

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;1791851]Hello,

Before going to AC I am going to spend some days in Cagayan De Oro. I just wanted to have some time in a city where you will not see to many prostitutes. I did meet some ladies online that I will probably meet once I am there. Anyone has a clue if you can also persuade ' normal ' girls for some sexual activities in return for money or gifts after meeting them in a setting like a shopping mall.

Thanks in advance,

Frits[/QUOTE]Well Frits, You are unlikely to see many obvious prostitutes in CDO. Time was when there would be a handful hanging around Divisoria and others on the nearby street corners. A few years ago, more pimps seemed to become the norm, replacing the back street free lancers. Seems to be far fewer of either at present time. As for the 'normal' girls, take into consideration CDO is off the beaten monger track. Most local girls will be unsophisticated and innocent when faced with the pitch from the experienced monger. As always it will depend on your game and her interest, but I think your online ladies will be a much better bet.

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;1791851]Hello,

Before going to AC I am going to spend some days in Cagayan De Oro. I just wanted to have some time in a city where you will not see to many prostitutes. I did meet some ladies online that I will probably meet once I am there. Anyone has a clue if you can also persuade ' normal ' girls for some sexual activities in return for money or gifts after meeting them in a setting like a shopping mall.

Thanks in advance,

Frits[/QUOTE]As has been covered in this thread (and also the DragonSlayer CDO thread), CDO is the province (a big barrio), and is no semblance of a monger scene. Regular girls, lots of shyness. Regardless of whether or not she agrees in advance to be nawty with you on a first date (or second), there's about a 95% chance that will evaporate once you're there.

Hello,

I know it ain't going to be like AC but I decided to go there because it might be interesting to meet less professional girls than the ones in AC. I guess it will be not similar to Cebu because there are fewer tourist going there. I will reread the info available here. My hotel is a 10 minute walk from Divisoria so I can always take a look.

Thanks so far,

Frits

[QUOTE=FritsVanegter;1791851]Hello,

Before going to AC I am going to spend some days in Cagayan De Oro. I just wanted to have some time in a city where you will not see to many prostitutes. I did meet some ladies online that I will probably meet once I am there. Anyone has a clue if you can also persuade ' normal ' girls for some sexual activities in return for money or gifts after meeting them in a setting like a shopping mall.

Thanks in advance,

Frits[/QUOTE]Have fun in CDO. It is kind of a sleepy town and not too much going on. You may need to line-up your ladies before you go there. Many of the girls says that they from CDO even they live far away from the city center.

#1 Airport is around 45 minutes of taxi ride (800 p). They also have shuttle and goes by the Mall. I think it is around 200 p but I did not use it.

#2 Best hotels are Lux and Seda hotels. Both of them are next to the malls. Lux has a very popular buffet and it is a good attraction for many Pinays.

#3 Lux is right by Technical College and lots of ladies are around the coffee shops.

#4 Watch out for some seasoned DIA talent. I met with couple of hustlers and I bounced them off.

Have fun.

Hello,

I already did arrange that the hotel will send a car to pick me up.

Before leaving I will study the map and look for places that might be interesting. Usually I like to walk because you will always see more when you are going slowly.

I did not use DIA just filipinokisses but I guess the ones that could be annoying are on all the sites.

I think CDO is big enough so it won't be necessary to look for talent outside of the city. At first it was my plan to travel to Butuan but then I did decide to just do CDO. If I invite someone from Butuan and there is no ' chemistry ' it could be hard to send them back. CDO is big so I think better stick to CDO ladies. Of course if I find a nice one I will probably not look for variety.

Thanks a lot,

Frits

[QUOTE=XMan;1789533]I've been to south Cebu Island several times, but never made it further north than Danao / Carmen. I'd appreciate any and all info about good beaches and snorkeling in north Cebu, especially the pros and cons of the islands Malapasqua and Bantayan. <Snip> Has anyone actually stayed in Daan Bantayan? [/QUOTE]Yes, I have. Daan Bantayan is where I got my first taste of filipina puddie pie. I set up a Cupid account 6 months prior to my departure and had folders loaded with contacts for a couple dozen cities. By the time I landed in Cebu, my short list was down to exactly two (2) girls. One in Ozamiz and one in Daan bantayan. The latter was 18, brown, gwapa, and had a great ass. But who cares, that wasn't your question.

It happened in a cozy room in Daan Bantayan at Skips Resort. Not a spectacular "resort" but it's good enough. Clean rooms, edible food and beautiful sunsets. And the whole place is nicely decorated witn lots of nostalgia. It's real shallow in front so at low tide you can walk way out. Doubt if the snorkeling is good, but the water is clean and you can swim at high tide. I'd recommend you stay there on your stop over to either Malapasqua or Bantayan. And you'll come in way under the 3,000 you mentioned, depending on the accommodation you choose. [URL]http://www.skipsbeachresort.com/[/URL].

I been to allot of places in the Philippines since then. And many of them I feel like leaving as soon as I arrive. But Bantayan Island wasn't one of those places, It's one of the prettiest and peaceful islands I've been to. I rented a motorcycle and rode up from Mactan. They may even rent small 110's on the island and it's a great little place to explore. It was well worth the trip, and I'd recommend it to anyone that has time.

I can't say much about snorkeling, other than when I was there it was in February and the season was Amihan. So the west side was protected, and that's where I remember the nicest water and best beaches. There's not a beach road along that side so it was remote. But there's not really a ring road that goes along the shore on the rest of the island either, as I recall, so having your own transportation is nice. Out to the little peninsula on the west side was just trails. Looked like most of the locals either walk or boat in and are living the same way they have been for a thousand years. Mostly lava out there and didn't look great for swimming or snorkeling.

I think the main resorts are in Santa Fe. It was windier on that side but still looked nice. Northern Cebu gets more rain than the south, so if you're hoping for sun you might consider your timing on that. Think I was there in February or March and it was nice, for the most part.

Oh ya, there was a couple small gaggles of girls roaming around town at night, incidentally. And the bicycle guys know where to find them too if you're in a pinch.

Don't know if any of that helps or not, hope so.

When I step in at Dan Bantayan / Santa Fe with my girl, I did not carry any fantasy with me. I forget the hotel name right now but I can remember I paid to trike 100 php for arriving in the hotel (guided by the girl, since Dan Bantayan is her native place). It was just beside a high school in Santa Fe. The hotel have own beach and even it was not clean but we had no complain. We hired a Aircon hut just on the beach. Fantasy begins playing in my mind when I saw a group of phil boys and girls started their camping not so far from us in evening. After dusk in evening we found ourselves sexing on the beach. When it started under water I started enjoying much. I realized under the starlight the campers observing us from far, but who cares. I was in full mood to enjoy love making under water.

It's a quite place, found fantastic if someone have own fantasy to execute. Sorry for covering some private issues in the pic.

Thanks. I'd already come across recommendations for Skips (may he rip). Apparently his wife keeps the place going. This is a post with lots of good information. Thank you Sam 14, much appreciated.

X Man.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1801512] SNIP

It happened in a cozy room in Daan Bantayan at Skips Resort. Not a spectacular "resort" but it's good enough.
SNIP


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Well my first trip to Boracay and unfortunately the original plan to secure some company in Cebu first and then head to Boracay never eventuated (scared of losing her job if she didn't show up for work). Never the less I did manage to have a few experiences so I will share those.

1) Cocomangas. A bar / nightclub at Station 1 on the main road. Every night has a selection of around 30 girls working as freelance (no bar fine). Girls told me owner only allows 30 girls in there at a time, so you may also see some extra talent waiting to get in. Pretty average options but I did go relatively early around 9-10 pm. Was hoping to score a BJ on the beach and found a girl? (could be ladyboy in a different light) that agreed for P1500. We tried finding a spot at station 3 where it was more secluded, but it was a full moon and hence the overall lighting was just too bright with many Filipino guys lying around under tress etc, too risky. Back to my hotel nearby for a quick BBBJ to completion and that was day 1.

2) Plenty of ladies on the beach during the day asking you for massage, so found the youngest one I could (25 yo with a couple of kids) and brought her to my hotel in the daytime for a massage (P350). During the massage I didn't push the issue and kept my pants on, but at the end I suggested we find another girl for a 4 hands naughty massage next time. She agreed to be my scout for the afternoon and when she found a "slim 18 yo massage girl" she will let me know. That evening I invited them to dinner and drinks but the one she turned up with a proper massage girl in uniform from one of the spas and not my type. I re-iterated what I was after and that she will get a good tip if she delivers. We then met by chance again later that night on the beach near station 1 and I told her I would would look for the type of girl and show her. After walking for 10 minutes I spotted a glam just standing around in a group with other ladies. To be honest she looked like the daughter of one of them, so I just pointed out that was the type she should look for. Instead she just goes strait up and asks about the possibility of an encounter. Much to my embarrassment as it's still a very busy area there and this one could easily have been too young. After a bit of discussion it turns out she is available and is 20 yo no kids. BUT, the price starts at P3000. She was a stunner and slim, so why not enjoy the holiday. We walked for ages back to station 3 but had to walk near the water as she said her family lives in Boracay and hence have to be discreet. Eventually back to the hotel with 2 massage girls and the freelancer from the beach. Security stepped in this time and grabbed all their ID's. Front desk staff gave me the look that that you don't want to get! Lucky the pretty one's ID checked out ok. So we go to my room, pay the massage ladies for their tip in helping me secure the girl and I had negotiated 2 hours with the young one for P3000 and if she was good would extend all night for P5000. Sure enough she was a dud (very pretty dud though) and wanted to leave after the first pop in 1 hour. Told me she has a midnight curfew. Couldn't be bothered arguing, so just let her go.

One more story I'll leave till tomorrow.

So on the last night I decided to see if I can find another cutie by the beach so started to walk back down to station 1 area when one of the bicycle men asked if I wanted a lift. Decided to take him up on it, one thing led to another and the next thing we are both on a motorbike trike heading up the main road about 1 km or so to a very local KTV place.

Quite intimidating and possibly a bit dangerous as there were at least 40 Filipino guys in there sitting in the this shack drinking, whilst there about 10 ladies on offer. Of very average quality. They found me the youngest and slimmest one as requested. 19 yo with 1 baby and seemed fairly good attitude so decided to take her back for the night. Best price I could negotiate was P4000 all night (plus tips for both the taxi drivers).

Instead of the walk of shame, it was the cycle ride of shame along the beach road. Every few meters we need to yell out beep beep to get people to move, but finally back into the hotel room (same deal. Kept her ID at the reception).

Was a nice overnight experience and stayed till 7 am with 2 pops and at least a vague attempt at BJ. Even though the body was small, once they have a baby it's never the same and hence why I always try to find the ones with no kids.

Overall I was surprised that there some available girls on Boracay. I really expected to be a non event for me. But pickings are rather slim and generally high prices, especially if you are Mr Fussy like me.

Puerto Galera. Sebang (Sabang).

This was my 2nd year visiting Sebang / PG. Last year had a great time and wanted to repeat which is pretty rare for me. As a single guy and avid diver find a location with good P4 P action and diving is like finding a black swan. A big thanks to those who came before me for cluing me into this destination as I plan on returning in the future. If anyone knows of any other spots with diving and girls please let me know. There are lots of places you could find a girl and take her with you, but I prefer to switch it up most nights and I like being able to decide what I am in the mood for.

Spent 6 nights there this year and hit the bars / clubs every night to find something to take home. Last year at least 2 of the nights I wimped out after a few post dive beers and dinner and went to sleep alone so I vowed to correct that this year. One of the interesting parts of the Sebang scene is that at 7 when the bars open the korean guys come in droves and the mamasans line up the girls and they just point and choose taking out a lot of the top talent. There is no conversation with the girl or even drinks bought, just point and go. I had heard about this, but witnessed this for the first time this year and it is as advertised. Different strokes for different folks. But what I really don't understand is that if you take the girl at 7 pm, back to the room and do the deed. What do you do for the rest of the night? My understanding from the girls is that its usually a one and done and kick the girl out for the night so I guess its just an early night? Anyway, there are still plenty of girls around each night, but if you want to see the top talent get there at 7.

Nightlife is mainly a mix of gogo bars (Coco Lips, Venus, Village, Midnight, Broadway, and a couple others) and some beer bars where freelancers work. All the bars are within. 25 km so it's pretty easy to stop in every one every night and take a look. Price is fixed at 3000 pesos with 1500 paid up front at the bar and the remaining 1500 paid to the girl. That is basically LT with her departing in the morning. Some girls will want to leave in the night others won't but most are pretty flexible if you have a preference. Like most things if you are looking for something specific make sure to talk to the girl upfront to get what you want. The bars run from slightly shabby to relatively new and modern. The bathrooms in Midnight are the best bar bathrooms I have ever seen in any gogo anywhere. Staying at atlantis coco lips is usually the first stop and is a great bar with a fun crowd and good aircon. Talent wasn't quite to my liking this year, but I still went every night for at least 1 beer. In total I ended up taking 1 freelancer, 2 girls from village, 1 from broadway, and repeated two nights with a girl from midnight. The freelancer was actually probably the top performer but I think I caught a cold from her and didn't seek her out to repeat, but I don't regret my choice. Overall had a terrific time and look forward to repeating.

Happy to help others if you have questions and putting all the pieces together the first time can be a bit challenging feel free to PM me.

Other Various Logistics / Tips.

-Taxi from / to Batangas should cost between 3 k-3. 5 k pesos + tolls. They will start negotiating at 6-7 k, but will come down.

- The airport ATMS limit withdrawls to 10 k pesos so either bring cash or plan to do mulitple withdrawls. The ATM in sebang worked, but had a low withdrawal limit, maybe 3-4 k pesos.

-Like many places cab drivers, porters, and anyone else along the way may expect tips and will never had change, so keep those small bills.

-Filipino girls by far seem more apt to start and perhaps to even finish without condoms. Consistently had to stop the girl and make sure junior got wrapped up.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1818958]This was my 2nd year visiting Sebang / PG. Last year had a great time and wanted to repeat which is pretty rare for me. As a single guy and avid diver find a location with good P4 P action and diving is like finding a black swan.[/QUOTE]Good report. It's the way I remember it. I didn't do Sabang on my last trip due to the typhoon.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1818958]If anyone knows of any other spots with diving and girls please let me know.[/QUOTE]If you find it, please let me know.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1818958]Taxi from / to Batangas should cost between 3 k-3. 5 k pesos + tolls. They will start negotiating at 6-7 k, but will come down.[/QUOTE]

Assuming that's between Manila and Batangas pier. The Royal Amsterdam hotel in Angeles will charge you 5200 or 5300 pesos (everything included) for the taxi ride between Angeles and Batangas. You don't need to stay at the hotel if you pre-pay.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1818958]The airport ATMS limit withdrawls to 10 k pesos so either bring cash or plan to do mulitple withdrawls. The ATM in sebang worked, but had a low withdrawal limit, maybe 3-4 k pesos.[/QUOTE]Did that ATM on the hill in Sabang work? When I was there, it was always either off-line or it didn't take PLUS or Cirrus.

You can also go to Puerto Galera Town, and go to Allied Signal Bank (name might have changed) for the PLUS system. You can take the jeepney (for 20 pesos) or take a trike.

Elsewhere in the Philippines, HSBC and Citibank ATMs should still have higher limits than 10 K pesos.

[QUOTE=Sam14;1801512]Yes, I have. Daan Bantayan is where I got my first taste of filipina puddie pie. I set up a Cupid account 6 months prior to my departure and had folders loaded with contacts for a couple dozen cities. By the time I landed in Cebu, my short list was down to exactly two (2) girls. One in Ozamiz and one in Daan bantayan. The latter was 18, brown, gwapa, and had a great ass. But who cares, that wasn't your question.
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Don't know if any of that helps or not, hope so.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Did you rent the bike from Cebu and rode to North? Can you give more details? I am very interested doing a similar adventure trip.

After reading Keen Eye Joe's post about a bar next to our place and his nice stay over there, I gave it a shot on my last vacation. The bar is located on the "highway" going from Lingayen to Alaminos, between Labrador and Sual. At first we missed it as there are quite a lot trees an vegetation around, best way to find it is to watch for the gas station on the opposite side of the road. By describing how you can reach the "establishment" I'm already thinking of why I'am doing that.

When I visited the bar with a mate there where 6 or 7 girls most of them feed with too much arozcaldo or lady drinks, what is hard to guess as there were only two drunk British expats and two pinoy besides us. The girls can't compete with the girls in AC or Manila, classic province girls on "sembreak". So we sat down and had a bucket of San Mig Apple 6 Bottle for PHP 350. Steph the mamasan showed us the girls that all were quite keen on sitting with us. So quickly we had two girls sitting with us and some ladies drinks (150 each) stand on the table. Both girls from Mindanao and even nothing you would take out in AC, quite cute and pleasing. So after on more bucket and more LD we all wanted to leave the place for some "rest" and to escape the KTV sining expats. Barfine was 2500 and more 600 for a moderate room in one of the nearby resorts. I forgott to mention, that before, we already figured out if one of the girls is on her juice red days which they said no.

So over in the resort room I quickly find out why my companion was so eager to make the room dark. Not like some ambient-light. More like in a coal cellar. So of course I confronted her with that she was lying before and this is a no go for me because bloody is only my taste if I order a steak. So I told her lets get the clothes on I going to bring her back. When we were about to leave the room she refused to go back to the bar. So I went there alone to have some talk with Steph. Later I got to know that after I left the resort my companion was like trying to smash the door of the room my mate and his companion where in, so that other resort guest came out and were looking what was happening till she got into the room where she did some Cebuano quack quack with "dai" and after short both girls left the resort and where never seen (at least not that evening).

Well Stephani the mamsan was sleeping already. So I told her bar guys to wake her up. We asked her to refund the barfine which she didn't denied. But was more curious about where the girls are then solving the problem we got with her. She mentioned a couple times that she may have to call the police if her girls run away because their not allowed to be outside alone? Of course she was just interested to see us getting your feet under the arms an run away from the police. So she was kinda irritated when instead of that I order one bucket san mig apple. After maybe aprox an hour talking with her, friendly trying to settle differences, and her mentioning to call the police more and more and more. She got kinda pissed and was talking some words with one of her staff that I could identify as not gentle talking about us. So keep things short maybe 10 minutes the police gators from the Labrador crossing where besides our table. What Steph din't know was that the captain gator is a buddy to my cousin and we already know each other quite well from various occasions (no not that kind like that evening, I mean just sitting together with some SM or Emperador and playing Tongits / Romé). So the evening ended with a refund of our barfine some free drinks and what else the gators did at the Europe Bistro after we got our arses out of there.

If ever someone is in that area I would suggest visiting one of the 2 bars (Bahay ni Tito and RM Beergarden) at the junction of Lingayen-Alaminos higway and Romulo highway in Lingayen besides the green no name / out of order gas station. Girls look proper friendly staff Beers 80 PHP LD 120 PHP, Karaoke, Pulutan and VIP Rooms available. If I remember correct it was 2 k vor VIP and 2200 for BF. We were told cheaper service is available at the Beer garden next to it, but we never went there.

Another location to go are the bigger clubs in Dagupan along Arellano Street, all in all a bit more pleasing and also some rare beauties. You can have a 5 minute trike ride between the bars (Eclipse, 808, Hubstruck).

A bit off topic: I remember being in a street in Baguio where several bars where located, but can't find it on a map maybe some local got a hint on it.

So far my 5 pence.

Greets,

Roque

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;1258868]I recently spent 16 days in northwest Luzon. I'm considering the Phils as a potential place to retire at the end of the year, so toured around Pangasinan, La Union, Zambales, and Benguet provinces in search of the perfect locality. I can't say I found paradise, but I decided that San Fernando, La Union is a pretty good place to start. It's a medium-sized city with nice beaches, low prices for housing, decent shopping, close to Baguio and its temperate climate, and only a 6 hour bus ride from Manila.

I used Dagupan, Pangasinan for my base of operations and spent 9 nights there. Westerners are very rare in that city and I received lots of stares everywhere I went. People were very friendly when I made the effort to initiate dialogue with them. I was looking for the "real Philippines" on this trip and wanted to stay away from cities with a large western presence. Dagupan has nothing interesting for a tourist, but I found it a suitable place to be as I traveled by bus during the day.

Unfortunately, I found it's tough but not impossible to find paid companionship in Dagupan. I was fortunate in meeting a local 28 year old lady by chance at a Jollibee and we hit it off really well and she took good care of me in all ways. But she couldn't be with me every night due to having to take care of her children, so I was on my own a few nights....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1819122]Good report. It's the way I remember it. I didn't do Sabang on my last trip due to the typhoon.

If you find it, please let me know.


.[/QUOTE]Baretto in subic bay works well. Not as good if you like corals and good viz but the wrecks are awesome.

About 20 bars there and only 1500 -2000 BF.

With all the reports of some trouble in Mindanao, being a "westerner" I was hesitant to take a trip to Iligan city. But this past week I got the balls to take a flight into Cagayan de Oro and then a van ride to Iligan city.

I spent two days over a weekend and must report I did not sense any problems of being there. Do not flash any money or jewerly. Keep a low profile and you will be fine. By the way, during the visit I say some dozen westerner in the Gaisano mall. It was a very nice trip to say the least. By the way, at all times I was accompanied by a local friend and her family.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1830495]With all the reports of some trouble in Mindanao, being a "westerner" I was hesitant to take a trip to Iligan city. But this past week I got the balls to take a flight into Cagayan de Oro and then a van ride to Iligan city.

I spent two days over a weekend and must report I did not sense any problems of being there. Do not flash any money or jewerly. Keep a low profile and you will be fine. By the way, during the visit I say some dozen westerner in the Gaisano mall. It was a very nice trip to say the least. By the way, at all times I was accompanied by a local friend and her family.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Given its proximity to Marawi, Iligan is always a bit of a risk. But risk factors not withstanding, why would anyone want to go there? The place doesn't offer very much.

GE.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1818958]Puerto Galera. Sebang (Sabang).

This was my 2nd year

Spent 6 nights there this year and hit the bars / clubs every night to find something to take home. Last year at least 2 of the nights I wimped out after a few post dive beers and dinner and went to sleep alone so I vowed to correct that this year. One of the interesting parts of the Sebang scene is that at 7 when the bars open the korean guys come in droves and the mamasans line up the girls and they just point and choose taking out a lot of the top talent. There is no conversation with the girl or even drinks bought, just point and go. I had heard about this, but witnessed this for the first time this year and it is as advertised. Different strokes for different folks. .

.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a night many many years ago when I was in Firehouse in Cebu. Yes there was one, back in last century LOL. I was sitting having a beer with a young lady and two Japanese walked in. They had a chat with the mamasan and next thing I know, all the girls left the stage and went to get changed. All the GRO types also went to get changed. The mamasan came to me and told me that my girl had just beeen barfined too. Girls then all left where a coaster type was waiting and apparaently headed to Shangri La Mactan where a large group of Japanese were staying.

Suddenly, I was in a bar with flashing lights, music playing, a well lit stage and not a single girl!

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1831435]Given its proximity to Marawi, Iligan is always a bit of a risk. But risk factors not withstanding, why would anyone want to go there? The place doesn't offer very much.

GE.[/QUOTE]I think he explained he went to meet a 'friend' . Iligan is a provincial city which is larger and more modern than people might realize. Honestly I don't understand the fear of 95% of Mindanao. I would feel more comfortable walking around Iligan City alone at any hour of the day or night than most all of Quezon City or 75% of metro Manila. Granted I haven't been to Iligan for 6 or 7 years but I was there a few times in the mid oughts for 4 days each time and had a great time also meeting female friends and exploring the city with them and alone. I wouldn't hesitate to go back, if I found another friend as Firebird did.

The people of Mindanao are very hospitable to foriegners. The bad spots are very obvious and likely to be off the beaten path for most of us.

Did you have a particularly bad experience in Iligan goodenough?

I stayed in Cheradel Suites it was close to the common fish and farmers market. Is that place still kept up well does anyone know? They had a nice pool but most Phils resorts deteriorate quickly often.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1831654]The people of Mindanao are very hospitable to foriegners. The bad spots are very obvious and likely to be off the beaten path for most of us.

Did you have a particularly bad experience in Iligan goodenough?

[/QUOTE]I'm with GE here. On one hand, I think for experienced phils provincial travelers, much of Mindanao is fine. OTOH, the entire island can be dangerous even for locals. Kidnappings are the largest threat for anyone who travels the roads. In the last year alone, a mayor of a small town near butuan (and his disabled son) were kidnapped from their home, tortured and killed. In Zamboanga a corporate mining exec (and his driver) were kidnapped. Several Coast Guard members were kidnapped in Dapitan (between Iligan and Zamboanga). A number of Bachelor-type highway busses were stopped by separatists (dressed as Pilipine military) and the travelers robbed at gunpoint along the northern Butuan-CDO-Zamboanga corridor. Two Canadians and a Norwegian were kidnapped from Samal, near Davao. A German couple were kidnapped while sailing around Mindanao. An Italian restaurant owner was kidnapped in Pagadian in October (the 4th kidnapping in the region in a 2-week span). From the US State Dept. Phils Travel Warning from last October:

[I]"Over the past nine months, at least 15 separate kidnappings have been reported across Mindanao. In western Mindanao, terrorist, insurgent, and criminal gangs regularly conduct kidnappings for ransom, including the kidnapping of a foreigner in Dipolog City in early October 2015 by unknown assailants. ".[/I]

To make Pantot's case, I ran into a guy in CDO by chance a few years ago. Gringo, early 40's, long beard, a free spirit with a wife-beater shirt and head bandana. He was traveling from Butuan (about a 4 hour ride from CDO) to Bukidnon (another 3 hour south) on a small motorcycle in a driving rainstorm. He'd stopped to warm up and get coffee. He's married to a pinay and they built a home near the beach near Butuan and Gingoog. It was pouring rain and he had little more than shorts, sandals, his wife-beater shirt, bandana, and a clear rain slicker. I asked him if it was dangerous on the road. "Nothing than more than my own driving scares me. I've been all over this rock. Every cranny". Not afraid of kidnap or other trouble? "Nah. More afraid of local police scamming a few pesos". Why not wait till tomorrow to go to Bukidnon? Weather's looking better tomorrow. "Told my buddy in Bukidnon I'd be there today". Safer to travel with your pinay wife? "F*ck no. Abu Sayaf f*ckers would just as soon kill us both". Ever seen any trouble? "Ya. Twice. Saw those f*ckers holding up a bus. Robbing everyone of their money. Just drove on by". I see.

Any of that keep me from traveling the island? Like Pantot, no. However, I think its not wise to tell newbs to the island to make their initial trip to Mindanao to anything other than CDO or Davao. Other places can come on later trips. The girl can be brought from her province anywhere in Mindanao to Davao / CDO (or better, Manila) for $100 (your safety is worth much more than that).

From a guy named Fred, who blogs:

[B]Hello,
I am moving full time to Mindanao, a small village not far from Dipolog, I have been there many times and NEVER had any problems at all. Matter of fact people are far more friendly than my home now in Miami Florida.
I love to take road trips and would like to drive all over Mindanao. Where are the places I should avoid?
My wife is Filipino and will always be with me.
thanks in advance
Fred[/B]

He's right! And, he's wrong! If he gets kidnapped, it will certainly not help that his wife was with him (they'd as likely shoot her on the spot to get to him as take her along for the ride), nor will she be more able to avoid Abu Sayaf because she's pinay (the Norwegian above was kidnapped with his pinay wife).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1831711]I'm with GE here. On one hand, I think for experienced phils provincial travelers, much of Mindanao is fine. OTOH, the entire island can be dangerous even for locals. Kidnappings are the largest threat for anyone who travels the roads. In the last year alone, a mayor of a small town near butuan (and his disabled son) were kidnapped from their home, tortured and killed. In Zamboanga a corporate mining exec (and his driver) were kidnapped. Several Coast Guard members were kidnapped in Dapitan (between Iligan and Zamboanga). A number of Bachelor-type highway busses were stopped by separatists (dressed as Pilipine military) and the travelers robbed at gunpoint along the northern Butuan-CDO-Zamboanga corridor. Two Canadians and a Norwegian were kidnapped from Samal, near Davao. A German couple were kidnapped while sailing around Mindanao. An Italian restaurant owner was kidnapped in Pagadian in October (the 4th kidnapping in the region in a 2-week span). From the US State Dept. Phils Travel Warning from last October[/QUOTE]Well to be fair here Westie simply visiting and living there are 2 different scenarios. Most all of the cases you cited were victims who were conspicuous by there presence and not just guys on a holiday visiting some random chickie pie and her family. I am not advocating living ANYWHERE in the phils as a perfectly safe endeavor. Anywhere you can become a sitting duck for locals with a grudge or nothing to lose much less armed radicals with a political agenda.

From my very first posts on Mindanao I noted that the main thing to avoid for a simple traveler is public transport in between the cities. Your recent incidents confirm that. The others were bad events happening to people who were notable members of the community or business. Living large in the Phils is not a good plan anywhere IMO.

There are two seperate classes of posters here, those who see the Phils through the lens of being a vacationer getting laid short term and those smaller but more vocal and strident minority of posters in number though certainly not in volume of posts who view the Phils and each locale up for discussion as a place to LIVE put down roots and become part of the community. I am not in that group and want no part of that discussion as I have no interest in ever being in that group of full or part time residents. Some of you are there on business which puts you an entirely different category with entirely different issues and good luck and hope you are safe. Mindanao or Metro Manila or wherever.

In the cities of Mindanao you will be surrounded by citizens who are happy to see you and much less likely to view you as a mark than you will in Angeles or Metro Manila. You are much less likely to have your pocket picked literally or figuratively and almost everyone you meet won't be trying to overcharge you or rip you off like in AC or Manila. Nearly every taxi trip or motor or pedi trike trip will be a simple transaction and not a big negociation as we all get in the usual areas. My main point is you will much more likely to have a stress and trouble free short term visit to the cities of Mindanao spend alot less money and have just as good a time if you have some local girls already lined up, than you will in the common destinations of Luzon, while spending less money. I'm not saying its risk free. No place is.

I was was in Illigan and Ozamiz recently. It's true, there really isn't much of interest, especially not restaurants. I prepared most of my meals in my hotel room. (Sorry Pantot, I didn't notice the place you mentioned). Someone once told me that a friend of his had a nice house and lot in a coastal village not far from Illigan. When he returned, the house was boarded up and the owner was long gone. Presumably something frightened him enough to get the hell out. If you hang around long enough, you are likely being watched. Money is a motive. If you have allot of it, it doesn't matter if you're white, brown, or a Catholic priest.

On my first night in Ozamiz, there was a few traffic control guys hanging out on the main intersection with their truck parked and the lights flashing. As I was getting to know the place, I passed their intersection a few times. Every time I passed, all heads turned. Any local hanging around the city is well aware of any new gringo arrival. That said, I always felt safe in both places, and the ride from CDO to Dipolog was uneventful in terms of safety. Both are OK places to meet girls, but you are not likely to get much action unless you have something lined up or have allot of time, patience, and enjoy Filipino cuisine.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1830495]With all the reports of some trouble in Mindanao, being a "westerner" I was hesitant to take a trip to Iligan city. But this past week I got the balls to take a flight into Cagayan de Oro and then a van ride to Iligan city.

I spent two days over a weekend and must report I did not sense any problems of being there. Do not flash any money or jewerly. Keep a low profile and you will be fine. By the way, during the visit I say some dozen westerner in the Gaisano mall. It was a very nice trip to say the least. By the way, at all times I was accompanied by a local friend and her family.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Did you go to the waterfalls? They are cool.

[QUOTE=Dirtdog;1833529]Did you go to the waterfalls? They are cool.[/QUOTE]Which waterfalls?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1833645]Which waterfalls?[/QUOTE]Iligan is the 'City of Waterfalls' according to the locals.

There are 2 main tourist waterfalls.

The most famous is Ma Cristina. Its large but I would say its not much to see. Its actually huge hydro power plant and you can't get near the falls.

The better one is Tinago Falls. Its a secluded grove with a big pond which overflows to a stream fed by a tall narrrow waterfall which flows over from 100 or so feet above very picturesqe and a nice refreshing swim with plenty of places to hang out and a big local attraction. You have to climb down a bunch of steps to get there and back so if you arent ambulatory it could be problematic.

I looked at my photo records and I was last there in 2007 so maybe its changed. It was almost entirely a local attraction. A nice swimming hole with fresh clear water.

The best waterfalls I have been to in the Phils for personal experience was in Siquijor. It was the same set up as Tinago Falls a secluded pond and You could actually stand under it with a football fields worth of water cascading down on your body, very invigorating. Also Siquijor had pretty cool caves to explore for an amatuer with local guides not spelunking but still fun. I banged my head a dozen times and my tevas blew out at the bottom where there was a tiny pond to swim in to get refreshed so the climb back was a challenge.

Gentlemen:

I read all your reports with great interest. Quite an assortment of information. Why did I travel to Iligan City? I met a wonderful girl (I can hear some of you snicker) that I have known for two years now. Her.

Family lives there and I wanted to meet them and see where she lives. Good god!! - even if we in the west do not have much. We are millionaires in comparison. I was accompanied by her family all the time and kept a low.

Profile. Yes, was there some danger? Sure! But in New York City's Park Avenue, I was once almost mugged. Guy came me at gun point, but last minute something scared him away. Once walking the street in Moscow I was.

Approached by two fake cops wanting to extort money. I told them to f*ck off. When traveling in Sao Paolo Brasil I keep my money on my socks and look like a local. If you walk late at night in Prague. Wenceslaw Square.

You better have eyes on the back of your head. Otherwise you will get robbed. In Tijuana Mexico, you better avoid most cops, as they will try to extort some "shake down" pesos from you.

In Detroit if you get into the wrong neighborhood, you may never come out. I never venture into Manila and heard that certain sections of Quezon City are quite dangerous. So as you see even in Western world, parts are.

More dangerous then CGO or Iligan city.

In Iligan City, I stayed in Kingsway Inn. Walking distance to Gaisano Mall. Lot of people. Everyone super friendly. There I must have seen close to ten westerners during my visit. First time ever I rode a jeepney.

Is there a great concentration of Muslims in Iligan City. Yes! So what!? When I travel to Jakarta, there are Muslims everywhere. I have never had any problems.

I have heard of Maria Christina falls, but no interest to see them. Once you see Niagara Falls or some of the other large falls, everything else just pales in comparison.

Will I go back to Iligan City? Why not!? - not for the sightseeing but to see my friend and her family.

And it is true. Even for the locals in Iligan city, there is some danger. Do they stop living??

To all many thanks for your comments and yes "stay safe" and keep you wits about you when you travel.

Firebird.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1837389]Gentlemen:

I read all your reports with great interest. Quite an assortment of information. Why did I travel to Iligan City? I met a wonderful girl (I can hear some of you snicker) that I have known for two years now. Her.

Family lives there and I wanted to meet them and see where she lives. Good god!! - even if we in the west do not have much. We are millionaires in comparison. I was accompanied by her family all the time and kept a low.

Profile. Yes, was there some danger? Sure! .[/QUOTE]Yeah the paranoia over Mindanao is so overblown. Are there parts that might pose a threat to random foreigners? YES but its parts we would never go to to meet a girl, nor would she want to as well it would be a danger for her. I'm sure tiny pockets of trouble not in the main cities. I did the same as you 10 years ago meet a girl in Iligan and had a great time and I was there a few times over the next 7 years. Its a huge city actually. Pretty modern. I always chuckle when people advise us here that its dangerous! Glad to hear its the same. Are motorized tricycles still illegal in Iligan proper? It was a nice feature when I was there and taxis were cheap.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1837893]Yeah the paranoia over Mindanao is so overblown. Are there parts that might pose a threat to random foriegners? YES but its parts we would never go to to meet a girl, nor would she want to as well it would be a danger for her. I'm sure tiny pockets of trouble not in the main cities. I did the same as you 10 years ago meet a girl in Iligan and had a great time and I was there a few times over the next 7 years. Its a huge city actually. Pretty modern. I always chuckle when people advise us here that its dangerous! Glad to hear its the same. Are motorized tricycles still illegal in Iligan proper? It was a nice feature when I was there and taxis were cheap.[/QUOTE]I am happy to read that someone else had no issues in Iligan City. Come to think of it, you are correct!! I do not remember seeing any motorized tricycles. Just the pedal pushers.

Just back from a week in Siargao for some surfing. Before and after I had some good fun dating in Surigao. This is what I learned.

As has been reported previously, the provincial girls are a shy bunch. They would prefer to meet directly at a hotel room rather than be seen by their freinds dating a foreigner, until established I guess. Using a combination of a dating site and Wechat I arrived with a short list of 14 names, 4 I had already marked as being too shy to meet.

Of the 10 to meet, meet 4, bedded 3 and made a good future plan for No 4.

On one of the meetings, one girl wanted to bring a friend which I entertained. My original date had two kids and a body to match, 23 years old though, and a weird pimple on her mouth, so I decided kissing was off. Her friend was also 23, no kids and incredibly cute. Although we were all in bed together No 1 accepted that I would be preferring her friend. This all went to plan. We watched movies, played games and had some good action. In the end, both girls went home with P1,500 for their efforts over the afternoon.

Another girl was working during the day which provided some good opportunity if needed. But she was also keen to come to the hotel during her lunch breaks. Pretty good arrangement really. She stayed for two days.

Of the other 6, there were various reasons given FR not meeting. We really they didn't live there, they were 3 hours bus away, another had a class etc etc.

At one point I was trying to finesse the situation too much and decided it was better to have one in the bed than two on the phone.

Security and safety. Prior to the trip I did give everyone the name of the hotel where I would stay. I did not stay at this hotel, instead preferring an alternate location. This came to fruition when one of the girls (who had class all day and her room mates were asleep) decided it was safe to come over at 11:30 pm at night. She had turned up announced at the wrong hotel. This was kind of lucky as I had a girl in the room with me.

Another girl came back unannounced at 2:15 am one morning. She was at the right hotel but I really didn't want t a drunk pinay in my room while I was so sleepy. I really don't like surprises like this. Then for the next two days I couldn't catch up with her again. Go figure.

I've had a couple of holidays now in Surigao. Last trip I flew a GF in from Manila. It was just so nice to have the bedroom part of the hotel already taken care of.

For a future trip, I would choose one of the four girls and just spend time with her.

BD.

From AC forum.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325]I have been there and done that. My advice in summary.

1. Had few virgins and others from provinces. None of them have been with foreigners according to them. Mindanao seems to be ripe. I chat them up on skype or yahoo messenger and get to know each other very well including how long she will stay with me, if there are any money demands etc. I am honest upfront saying I have no intention of marrying and settling down in Philippines.[/QUOTE]Very good advice all around Mindanao is the best place for unspoiled un westernized Pinays as even thought the island is huge with a large population, it has by proportion the smallest representation in the bars of Manila Metro and AC.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325]2. I never went to their provinces preferring to fly them in to Manila or Cebu. None bailed out so far.[/QUOTE]I flew one in once but after that I always traveled to the provinces. I have almost always had good luck. I love visiting a new place and the adventure of the whole process.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325] Never send money for them to buy air ticket. You can book online for them and send them the ticket. I still send small amount of money for them to travel plus expenses like buying a suitcase and food. If they ask for money for clothes I tell them I will buy when she is with me.[/QUOTE]Sound process.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325] Never agree for them to bring friend, Aunt, uncle etc. Of course they will be scared but once you treat them nice they like you and will be a good friend.[/QUOTE]Yes but if they want to bring a cousin of same age, not one they call ate, it could get interesting but definitely a risk.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325] Never be under the delusion that they are in it for love. Compensate them well including gifts. Most of the girls who are willing to meet you are living in a dorm somewhere or with friends working some small job. Those who live at home need a friend to cover up for her.

6. Girls virgin or not are very conservative. Afraid of being seen with a foreigner young or old. Being in the city calms them down somewhat.[/QUOTE]This is very true. The most important thing is that they are so far from home that they have zero risk of being seen by anyone they know. I accomplish the same thing by taking them to a resort in or near thier province, close enough that its not a pain for me but far enough so that they know they are going to be anonymous. For example if you are meeting a Cebu girl meet her in Cebu city which she can get to easy then take her to Bohol by an Aircon Fast ferry which is always a nice trip. Or meet a north Mindanao in CDO area and take her to a resort in Camiguin Island one of the nicest places I have ever been to in the Phils.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325] Not used to lots of sex. Even if they had local boyfriends sex is rare maybe once in every few months. Need to use lube to get them comfortable. They get sore fast so do not plan on keeping them more than 3-4 days.[/QUOTE]But the one advantage is giving them orgasms. Those little province boys they may have fucked once a month could care less about pleasing the girls. They always respond well and get loosened up by oral sex which they likely never experienced. Also a province girl pusssy is much more fresh than a AC or MM bargirl, so oral or bareback is very safe by comparison. Sex wise they are quick learners and eager to please.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1848325] Joy is simple girl going ga ga over everything.[/QUOTE]Yeah for me the simple province girls uncorrupted by the big city / modern westernized / bar scene are the best.

Disclaimer: I had a companion on this trip so have nothing to report about girl hunting. My advice would be to get some contacts online in advance and also use charm with the people you meet face-to-face.

I've been to Leyte twice before. This time I wanted to do something different so I decided to head up to Biliran, which is the Philippines newest and possibly the smallest province.

I used OceanJet (Cebu, Pier One) to Ormoc. As you approach Leyte you pass islands which seem to have some nice beaches. Those are the Camotes Islands, which have been on my bucket list for some time.

The pier at Ormoc is adjacent to the bus / van terminal. And the nearest building to all this, probably the tallest in Ormoc, is the Don Felipe Hotel (see pics). The street-front rooms have nice views of the ocean but could be a bit noisy. A nice hotel with a garden and pool is the Ormoc Villa H. The rooms are nice. The pool is good for play, but not something you can do laps in. Although I was willing to pay a bit more to avoid the potential noise around Don Felipe, I eventually regretted it. There was a party at Ormoc Villa and made a lot of noise until at least midnight. It was quiet in the morning, but the garden was still full of litter and empty beer bottles. Sad. Internet only in the lobby.

I walked past a cozy looking hotel with restobar that looked very new. It is called Cristobal's Inn. The Exec. Suite is the most expensive room at P1,980. They have a FB page.

Ormoc has a bayside park that is a hangout for families and young people. At the far south is a barbeque area, which is also where the lighthouse is. In fact it used to be called "Parola" which means lighthouse, but was also synonymous with the party area. My memory of this place was that there were foreigners about and if you hinted at looking for a girl, you might get an introduction. Well, the layout and vibe has changed. Also it was mostly open-air in the old days which meant the party ended with a bit of rain. They've completely redone the place. There are simple roofs and numerous concrete barbeque pits which I guess are rented out to venders. It's still a good place for food and drink, but is popular with families and other large group parties. Go early if you want a waterside seat.

The east coast of Biliran was a disappointment. I ended up in a place called Almeria which was recommended on the Internet. Duh. I don't mind that the accommodations are simple, but I don't need the karaoke. A little island offshore had a nice beach, nice views, and some decent snorkeling. But the boatman abandoned us without even saying anything. With more time you might find some interesting things at Biliran.

I found a online reference to a new high-end resort in Camotes with a 2014 opening date. Further research showed that the "soft opening" will be in early 2016. That's what we call "Philippine's time".

Also found news that Ocean Jet would offer fast craft service to Camotes starting in Nov. 2015. Hey, that's good news! At the OceanJet webpage, there was no information available. Later when I was at Pier 1, Oceanjet ticket office, there was a sign repeating the information about a new service to Camotes. The sign advised going to the Ocean Jet website for more information, but as I said, there was no info.

Unless anyone can confirm otherwise, I suspect there is no Ocean Jet service to Camotes. But maybe soon.

As far as I know the way to Camotes is by boat from Danao.

[QUOTE=XMan;1850529]
The pier at Ormoc is adjacent to the bus / van terminal. And the nearest building to all this, probably the tallest in Ormoc, is the Don Felipe Hotel (see pics). The street-front rooms have nice views of the ocean but could be a bit noisy. [/QUOTE]Your post brought back memories. I was there in 2006. Stayed at Don Felipe, which was OK back then although the beds were not good. It gets only average reviews now on Tripadvisor.
The bayside park in front of the hotel was nice and the fresh breeze from the ocean was very welcome after a week in polluted Cebu City.

I picked up some freelancers in and around the park back then and I found a karaoke bar with some available girls not far from the hotel. I didn't make notes so I don't know exactly where it was anymore. Ormoc was a nice place for a couple of days but not really worth to come back to.

I agree that Ormoc itself is only worth a few days, but it's a good starting point for exploring the rest of Leyte / Samar / Biliran.

My first trip around 2008 I stayed mostly in Ormoc with a day trip up into the mountains of Leyte. My second trip was Ormoc and then Tacloban. And of course my third trip was Ormoc and Biliran Province.

A few more pictures attached. You can see the water at Almeria, Biliran is very shallow. The pic is at low tide, BTW. You can see the island in the distance. The picture of the coral reef is at the island. THe island had a nice beach, but lots of rocks and crushed coral and shell. It's a small beach, but very quiet the day I was there.

The other pictures are of Ormoc Villa hotel and hotel grounds. There is also a picture of a decent restaurant next to Don Felipe.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1850594] SNIP Ormoc was a nice place for a couple of days but not really worth to come back to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1850529] Ormoc has a bayside park that is a hangout for families and young people. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1850594] The bayside park in front of the hotel was nice and the fresh breeze from the ocean was very welcome after a week in polluted Cebu City.

I picked up some freelancers in and around the park back then and I found a karaoke bar with some available girls not far from the hotel. [/QUOTE]Ya, it's no Pattaya boardwalk, but that area apparently serves as a freelancer place going way back. That's where I met one that was "waiting on a friend" and I miraculously compelled her to join me for a bite. When we got to my room, the first thing she said was her brother was smashed up in the hospital and she needed money. Not much of an afrodesiac, but I went through with it anyway.

According to an old timer I met, it used to be really happening around there. But since Yolanda, many left and never returned. Also there's boatloads with lots of foreigners coming across every day from Cebu, so seeing a gringo is nothing new to anyone.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1848515]
This is very true. The most important thing is that they are so far from home that they have zero risk of being seen by anyone they know. I accomplish the same thing by taking them to a resort in or near thier province, close enough that its not a pain for me but far enough so that they know they are going to be anonymous. [/QUOTE]I think I will adopt this strategy next time. On my last trip I felt bad about the girls that wanted to travel 3-4 hours or a ferry or two just to meet me in Surigao. Now I understand why that is a good option for them.

Another point that has been discussed often is one of bringing a friend. I'm OK with this now, provided they are female and are friends not aunty or mum.

I had one night in Cebu where the girl brought her gay cousin, both had great legs and super high heels. The girl appreciated the night and the respect for her cousin. She returned the next night and was awesome.

Opposite thing happened in DIA meetup in AC, pretty obvious none of us clicked, I finished my beer and excused myself to go do some work in my room. Didn't hear from that girl again though and didn't mind.

Other times, have ended up with both girls in the room, and in Philippines sex happens. .

BD.

Does anyone have any experience on Siargao island or know what it has to offer?

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1842689]Just back from a week in Siargao for some surfing. Before and after I had some good fun dating in Surigao. This is what I learned.

As has been reported previously, the provincial girls are a shy bunch. They would prefer to meet directly at a hotel room rather than be seen by their freinds dating a foreigner, until established I guess. Using a combination of a dating site and Wechat I arrived with a short list of 14 names, 4 I had already marked as being too shy to meet.

Of the 10 to meet, meet 4, bedded 3 and made a good future plan for No 4.


BD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aloofer;1853396]Does anyone have any experience on Siargao island or know what it has to offer?[/QUOTE]I would suggest taking a girl with you and enjoying your time.

You can use any of the dating sites and find a girl located in Surigao. Most will be interested to join you for the ferry ride and a paid holiday in paradise. Depending on your flight schedule you might have an overnight stay in Surigao anyway, you could use that day to interview your shortlist and make a decision. The good thing about taking a girl from Surigao, she wil also know the ferries etc.

If you are flying from Cebu directly to Siargao, then byo from Cebu.

It's also very practical to bring a girl from Manila on the flight. It's just so much nicer to have the girl part taken care of, if you are at all concerned,

Some of the girls in Surigao come from Siargao so might have family there. I'm not sure that would be the girl to take.

If you are planning to be in Surigao City a couple of days, then there is also usually available talent in the city or via WeChat.

I have written previous posts about Surigao which you can search.

When I visited Siargao in June, I brought girl from Manila with me
When I next go,I will take a girl selected from a Surigao shortlist.


BTW, would be interested to know your travel plans to get there.



BD.

[QUOTE=Aloofer;1853396]Does anyone have any experience on Siargao island or know what it has to offer?[/QUOTE]Absolutely nothing in the way of picking up local girls for fun on the island. Bring a girl in from elsewhere (Surigao city is an option, as BD explained). There are several small (and I mean small) resorts on the island, the Cloud 9 area and Cherinicole come to mind. The biggest city is General Luna, which is not much to speak of. Nearby islands and caves to explore. Siargao is pretty remote (and back-woods-ish).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1854248] Siargao is pretty remote (and back-woods-ish).[/QUOTE]Exactly.

If I wanted to drop off the radar, then Siargao would be a consideration.

[QUOTE=XMan;1850530]I found a online reference to a new high-end resort in Camotes with a 2014 opening date. Further research showed that the "soft opening" will be in early 2016. That's what we call "Philippine's time".[/QUOTE]Any idea of the name? I visited the Santiago Bay Garden & Resort in late Feb and it looked fairly new / recently renovated. They were full, so I didn't stay. But will book in advance the next time I visit.

[URL]http://www.ilink.ph/santiago-bay-resort[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g2019901-d1453288-Reviews-Santiago_Bay_Garden_Resort-San_Francisco_Pacijan_Island_Camotes_Islands_Visayas.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Also found news that Ocean Jet would offer fast craft service to Camotes starting in Nov. 2015. Hey, that's good news! At the OceanJet webpage, there was no information available. Later when I was at Pier 1, Oceanjet ticket office, there was a sign repeating the information about a new service to Camotes. The sign advised going to the Ocean Jet website for more information, but as I said, there was no info.

Unless anyone can confirm otherwise, I suspect there is no Ocean Jet service to Camotes. But maybe soon.

As far as I know the way to Camotes is by boat from Danao.[/QUOTE]Ocean Jet does offer service; if I recall correctly twice per day in each direction. Used them to return to Cebu in late Feb. Trip was about 2 hours from the port in Poro to Pier 1 in Cebu. Going there I took the Banka boat from Danao. The Banka boat is one of those larger double deck types; travel time was just under 2 hours to San Francisco (Pacijan Island on google maps); open air type, but reasonably comfortable; it runs twice per day in each direction. Sorry, but I don't recall exactly how much I paid, but think it was around 150-200 p each way. At Danao there is also a Ro-Ro that runs a few times a day as well, travel time to Poro port is about 3. 5 hours. BTW, there is now a an ATM machine at the port in Poro, but I wouldn't bet on it always being in service or it having cash; so make sure you bring enough cash.

Side note about Camotes, I won't go into too much detail as this is a mongering board and not a travel guide, but the islands are beautiful and the people are quite friendly. It is certainly a BYOG destination. Don't count on having internet, even at the resorts. Both on my phone, my pocket WiFi and GF#1's phone (Smart and Globe) the best I could get was 2 G service (and that's not a typo), mostly it was 1 x if I got any service at all.

X. this is probably one of the beaches you seen. Although the sand is white and soft, bring surf shoes as once in the water it gets quite rocky (and knowing you, you're a bit "rocky" on your feet most of the time anyhow, LOL).

I stayed there for several days about 4 years ago. Definitely a BYOB destination. Most of Santiago Bay Resort is a two story, very basic, multi-room complex. However, a much more pleasant duplex cottage area is found in the upper garden area. This is definitely not the 'New' resort, rumored to be in the Camotes. Like much of the accommodation off the beaten track, it is okay, but not great. Next time, I'd like to hire a seaworthy banca for a day tour around the four islands.

This trip to Phils, I wanted to try something different. So I picked up the city of smiles. You can reach it by flight or bus from Cebu. I strongly recommend flight as prices are not so high but will try also bus (A/C) my next trip. Going there from Cebu is like to land on a different planet. City is spread but city center very tiny, traffic not so heavy and. Well, basically beside Sm Mall, The Capitol, the old cathedral there is absolutely nothing. Most of my time there was dedicated to local sweeties: not only because they deserved it, but also due to a lack of alternatives.

I paid 400 pesos from new airport Silay to downtown (I read some forums with people paying 800, that's silly). Best hotel in town is L'Fisher. You can get it for around 60 US $/ night on most websites. Strongly recommend it but also Avenue Suites, which is 200 mts down on same Street, is acceptable at half that price. Also O Hotel can be on your list. Lacson Street is main Street there, where basically everything happens and most restaurants or shops are. Sm Mall is right beside it and looks immediately like most common meeting point and town's epicenter of social life.

Very different from Cebu: very few foreigners here. In 4 days I crossed only 2 non-Filipino faces and they both were 60 yo.

I am 40 looking like 30, I take good care of my body and my look, fit and not exactly ugly according to girls.

So I didn't wonder why half the gals in the mall just looked at me like an extraterrestrial just landed from some faraway planet.

When I arrived in town I had around 10 contacts from DIA but wanted anyway to try my luck at the mall first afternoon and went back my hotel with 10 extra phone numbers in around 1 hour.

No girl for any shop refused to give me her phone number. Just, you have to find the right time because everybody will be looking at you talking to her and her friends giggling can call the bosses attention.

A foreigner talking to a saleslady can be a very common scene to be seen in Ayala or SM in Cebu. Here you feel eyes around are on you. Be quick and discreet and buy something that can justify the chat.

Another difference from Cebu: city is not so big here, so girls handle some matters with caution. I usually arranged to meet at my hotel lobby in Cebu, then go for food or drinks.

In Bacolod gals don't like it. You better fix meeting at the mall or at some restaurant. Being seen going to a foreigner's hotel is not recommendable.

Then, when lights go down and night has fallen, or you have charmed them a little bit. Situation changes. But girls won't meet you at your hotel 5 or 6 pm.

They are very naive here. You can see it is quite a remote area, totally another world from Manila or Cebu. First girl I had, she refused to get "money for the taxi".

She looked at me "why? I take jeepney". I insisted "Its 3 am take taxi". She argued "Its 2000 pesos, too much for taxi".

Finally, when this was becoming a fight I put the money in her pocket and told her to buy some t-shirt or shoes as it was soon to be her birthday.

Another one gave me back one of the two 1000 pesos notes I handled her.

Lucky me (finally on my third night I found one who silently slipped the 1500 pesos (due to previous "troubles" I had decided to reduce the gift) in her pursue without any further complaining. LOL.

Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Lammtarra;1858234]This trip to Phils, I wanted to try something different. So I picked up the city of smiles. You can reach it by flight or bus from Cebu. I strongly recommend flight as prices are not so high but will try also bus (A/C) my next trip. Going there from Cebu is like to land on a different planet. City is spread but city center very tiny, traffic not so heavy and. Well, basically beside Sm Mall, The Capitol, the old cathedral there is absolutely nothing. Most of my time there was dedicated to local sweeties: not only because they deserved it, but also due to a lack of alternatives.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Great FR. Thanks!

I wanted to check Iloilo as it is right in front of Bacolod and ferry trip is just one hour. City is absolutely another world from Bacolod.

It has been "the queen of the South" for centuries before Cebu took its place as nation's second string after Manila and the place where Independence from Spain was gained in 1899.

So it is a very good destination if you -like me- love history and Heritage. City center offers some very pictorial buildings from the 20's (the golden ages of Iloilo when city boosted with merchants and businessmen) and if you go Molo and Jaro some lovely churches and old houses welcome you. But It's also a very nice city by night.

A huge area along river has been restored with restaurants and nightclubs. You can have a beer for 50 pesos and good western food for 500 (steak&fries, not a sandwich). I loved to be there.

In Bacolod night scene was awful, only some pizza hut saved my dinners. In Iloilo I tasted good food.

By other hand, getting girls was a bit more complicate than Bacolod.

As Always, I landed with my contacts from DIA but bad luck seemed to strike me as most girls were busy or asked to meet 1,2,3 days later.

Apparently, Ilonggos are very shy and reservate and very different from Cebuanos. I noticed being looked by a lot of girls going around in the malls (there are 2 SM, one is "City" other is in near Atria on the.

Road to airport) and getting numbers was not hard, but girls Always answered texts asking to meet me 2,3 days later.

Not easy to get dates after job on same night and what was worst, very very hard to find.

Unemployed girls! In Cebu I Always put top of list girls without job, here all seemed to be busy working and eventually asked to meet me on a Sunday.

I also tried my luck with the hotel receptionist, a very cute brunette who immediately caught my eye and giggled watching my passport.

She gave me her number, we texted each other for hours with a lot of "how cute you are" but she said she was willing to go out with me "only after you check out hotel".

My room was perfect and at a reasonable price, so I gave up the option.

Understood that girls here are very shy at their home, I tried to play neutral venue. She immediately agreed to a 2-day tour to Guimaras (Island of mangoes in front of city, 20 minutes by boat).

And by magic everything happened. Raymen Beach resort is not bad, beach is peaceful and rooms acceptable.

She then told me she strongly wanted to go out with me but she was very scared to be seen in public by some relative or friend with a foreigner. Let alone hotel staff!

She never had a foreigner nor did her friends (no wonder, in 3 days in town and malls I saw only one and he had the typical look of "hey I have been living in Phils last 40 years of my life" so although she strongly wanted to date me circumstances didn't allow her to do so. Outside city, where no one knows her, things can change.

Back to Iloilo, I took another girl back with me to Bacolod. Again, it was just a matter of "where". She lost her shyness right after setting foot off the ferry.

So, that's the story: Iloilo players never score at home. You have to line up them only on road games.

Happy hunting.

FWIW: Coron is no place for this forum's activities with two exceptions. One. Bring your own lovely. Two. I have never seen so many unaccompanied foreign (non-Filipina) ladies anywhere in the Philippines. For those who need an occasional foreign dish in the Philippines, this really is the place. Specifically, any hotel or restaurant along the main street in town (Busuanga-Coron Road in Coron town proper) will surely have some fit and attractive mid-20's to upper-30's western ladies. I have no idea what they're open to, but the numbers are there.

For those interested, it's a world-class diving spot and has dreamlike tropical sea and island setting.

[QUOTE=Sam2004;1746060]Just walk by the roundabout in the city center. Directly behind the tourist police you'll find a brothel with very young, good looking girls. Or just talk to girls walking around (mostly two girls hand in hand). They will easily come with you for a drink or sex. No problem. Pricing: They don't even ask for the money, it's up to you to give as much as you think.[/QUOTE]Hi there,

Do you live in puerto? If so lets meet.[blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue].

I live there but never heard about that place. Can you give me more infos where / how exactly to find it?

Mark

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[QUOTE=Lammtarra;1858234]This trip to Phils, I wanted to try something different. So I picked up the city of smiles. You can reach it by flight or bus from Cebu. I strongly recommend flight as prices are not so high but will try also bus (A/C) my next trip. Going there from Cebu is like to land on a different planet. City is spread but city center very tiny, traffic not so heavy and. Well, basically beside Sm Mall, The Capitol, the old cathedral there is absolutely nothing. Most of my time there was dedicated to local sweeties: not only because they deserved it, but also due to a lack of alternatives.

I paid 400 pesos from new airport Silay to downtown (I read some forums with people paying 800, that's silly). Best hotel in town is L'Fisher. You can get it for around 60 US $/ night on most websites. Strongly recommend it but also Avenue Suites, which is 200 mts down on same Street, is acceptable at half that price. Also O Hotel can be on your list. Lacson Street is main Street there, where basically everything happens and most restaurants or shops are. Sm Mall is right beside it and looks immediately like most common meeting point and town's epicenter of social life.

Very different from Cebu: very few foreigners here. In 4 days I crossed only 2 non-Filipino faces and they both were 60 yo.

I am 40 looking like 30, I take good care of my body and my look, fit and not exactly ugly according to girls.

So I didn't wonder why half the gals in the mall just looked at me like an extraterrestrial just landed from some faraway planet.

When I arrived in town I had around 10 contacts from DIA but wanted anyway to try my luck at the mall first afternoon and went back my hotel with 10 extra phone numbers in around 1 hour.

No girl for any shop refused to give me her phone number. Just, you have to find the right time because everybody will be looking at you talking to her and her friends giggling can call the bosses attention.

A foreigner talking to a saleslady can be a very common scene to be seen in Ayala or SM in Cebu. Here you feel eyes around are on you. Be quick and discreet and buy something that can justify the chat.

Another difference from Cebu: city is not so big here, so girls handle some matters with caution. I usually arranged to meet at my hotel lobby in Cebu, then go for food or drinks.

In Bacolod gals don't like it. You better fix meeting at the mall or at some restaurant. Being seen going to a foreigner's hotel is not recommendable.

Then, when lights go down and night has fallen, or you have charmed them a little bit. Situation changes. But girls won't meet you at your hotel 5 or 6 pm.

They are very naive here. You can see it is quite a remote area, totally another world from Manila or Cebu. First girl I had, she refused to get "money for the taxi".

She looked at me "why? I take jeepney". I insisted "Its 3 am take taxi". She argued "Its 2000 pesos, too much for taxi".

Finally, when this was becoming a fight I put the money in her pocket and told her to buy some t-shirt or shoes as it was soon to be her birthday.

Another one gave me back one of the two 1000 pesos notes I handled her.

Lucky me (finally on my third night I found one who silently slipped the 1500 pesos (due to previous "troubles" I had decided to reduce the gift) in her pursue without any further complaining. LOL.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Been living in Bacolod City 4+ years. Not sure how, but the tone of your post sums it up pretty accurately.

One thing I would add for mongers if you want traditional action, currently the only place in town is the Sapphire Lounge down in the currently-being-converted-to-retail Goldenfield area. Whoever owns Sapphire must be printing money, because all the old bars are gone there, which means they have a virtual P4 P monopoly in Bacolod ATM. IMO it's overpriced (duh.).

Across the street from Sapphire is a 24-hour convenience store, with outdoor seating. Working girls run by a resident mamasan are always waiting there for a customer, [I]tend to be low quality[/I]. They will go with you to the practically next-door short time hotel for 1000 pesos, additional of 300 for the hotel. Never picked up any chick there that wasn't a disappointment, although the mamasan is friendly and helpful. Freelancers can occasionally be spotted walking the street in that area, have had one or two good pick-ups there.

Sapphire Lounge girls are abundant and in wide variety of both quality and type (the place is huge.) Since every pro-level working girl in the city has no choice but to work there at this point, it's the one-stop shop. If you can tolerate the 3 k+ barfine, 60 p san migs and exorbitant girlie drinks. I don't indulge much these days, having at least as good at home, but if you're here on a junket and want straight P4 P, that's the only place to be.

Bacolod is obviously not a mongering destination, but it's possible to get surprisingly high quality poon here, if you're willing to pay a premium. Some of those girls fucking rock, but I'm not going to pay that price to fuck them. But then, I'm a Cheap Charlie.

Wanted to add this because the OP's post was focused around non-pro girls, and it hits the spot, but I suppose for the microscopic percentage of bros that actually traverse here for some reason (Sipalay?) and are looking for pro girls, they might want to know the deal.

Tl; dr there is no conceivable reason to come here for pro sex. If you want it the ONLY place is Sapphire Lounge, Goldenfield's. If that's what you're here for, book a room at Sugarland Hotel, NOT L'Fisher, that is way uptown also NOT the in-complex Kundatel, if you took a UV light to that place you could see it from space. Sugarland is clean and right across the street. Gl and happy mongering.

Feel obligated to post an update on Sabang. I really thought all of the talk about Koreans taking the girls away early was hype. But this time (April. I think it's seasonal).

I've seen the current reality. If you don't hit the bars by 7 pm, all of the decent girls have already been taken by Koreans. Only ones left are sub par. Plus lots of old European alcoholics.

Depressing. Overall, I would also say that the quality is seriously diminished from a few years back. And virtually no freelancers outside the bars (except sketchy ladyboys) - also very different from.

A few years back. Still a beautiful little harbor. But just ain't worth it for girls. And barfines are fixed at 3 k. On another note, got taken into buying some "weed" from one of the multiple guys offering. I'ts bullshit.

Literally oregano. Sabang. Sadly. Not what it used to be.

[QUOTE=Maxmaxmax;1863528]Feel obligated to post an update on Sabang. I really thought all of the talk about Koreans taking the girls away early was hype. But this time (April. I think it's seasonal).

I've seen the current reality. If you don't hit the bars by 7 pm, all of the decent girls have already been taken by Koreans. Only ones left are sub par. Plus lots of old European alcoholics.

Depressing. Overall, I would also say that the quality is seriously diminished from a few years back. And virtually no freelancers outside the bars (except sketchy ladyboys) - also very different from.

A few years back. Still a beautiful little harbor. But just ain't worth it for girls. And barfines are fixed at 3 k. On another note, got taken into buying some "weed" from one of the multiple guys offering. I'ts bullshit.

Literally oregano. Sabang. Sadly. Not what it used to be.[/QUOTE]Last year, I saw plenty of freelancers at Apple bar by the beach. Took some LT too. You won't find FLs on the street that has the bars.

Cheers.

Going to Bohol (Alona Beach) for diving and interested in any advice anyone has for there. I know it's not a spot for girls, but there is always a local scene to most places and I won't hold out my standards for anything too high. Will be hitting Bangkok after the trip to get my fill of girls. Anyone with experience in Bohol I would appreciate anything you have to share.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1866938]Going to Bohol (Alona Beach) for diving and interested in any advice anyone has for there. I know it's not a spot for girls, but there is always a local scene to most places and I won't hold out my standards for anything too high. Will be hitting Bangkok after the trip to get my fill of girls. Anyone with experience in Bohol I would appreciate anything you have to share.[/QUOTE]I go to Bohol very often. Alona Beach is not the place you can find an activity except ladyboys. However in city center MetroCenter hotel have a bar and there is a quite activity goes there.

These days I'm a lazy mongerer. I don't want to expend too much energy in finding service. No dating website profiles or dummy Facebook accounts for me. I don't want the hassle of establishing contacts or seeking out pimps to procure a women. I don't want to sit in a Burgos Street or EDSA-type bar knowing I'll be paying a huge price with no guarantee of good service. And I don't want to do bring a woman to my house / hotel room for an overnight session or do it a dingy and rundown shithole.

I just want to waltz into an establishment and spend one hour being pleasured in a safe, clean, and comfortable on-site room. I want the lady to be easy on the eyes, have a pleasant attitude, and be skilled in her craft. I want her to be well groomed and dressed in a seductive outfit.

I want to be able to do this in a mid-sized provincial city and not in just one of the Philippine mongering capitals. I want service providers to be available 24 hours a day. Because I'm a demanding guy, I also want a full body massage thrown in as well. Lastly, I don't want to pay more than 650 pesos for one hour of service and fun.

Impossible, you say? Sounds too good to be true? Not at all! I've done it 5 times in the last two months. And I've found this service in the off-the-beaten-path city of Butuan. I know for a fact I could also do it in two other cities in northern Mindanao. Chances are good it's available in your area too.

However there's a catch (darn it, something too good to be true always comes with a catch!) You won't get full service, only a happy ending hand job. Yeah, I can hear the groans. But it's a guaranteed happy ending. No negotiating for special service, because it's included in the price.

What you get at these parlors is called a "lingam massage". I am convinced these massages are the best kept secret in the Philippines.

Until two months ago I had never heard of lingam. A quote from a website describes it as follows:

The Sanskrit word for the male sexual organ is Lingam and is loosely translated as "Wand of Light. " In Tantra or Sacred Sexuality, the Lingam is respectfully viewed and honored, as a "Wand of Light" that channels creative energy and pleasure.

Orgasm is not the goal of the Lingam massage although it can be a pleasant and welcome side effect. The goal is to massage the Lingam, also including testicles, perineum and Sacred Spot (prostate) externally, allowing the man to surrender to a form of pleasure he may not be accustomed to.

Wand of Light, LOL.

Of course prostitution is illegal in the Phils. But there's been a fair amount of online discussion as to whether lingam massages are sexual (which would make them illegal) or theraputic (which makes them legal). Apparently the city of Cebu has outlawed them and perhaps other cities here have as well. But they are certainly legal in Butuan.

So if you find yourself in northeastern Mindanao, you can avail these services at a chain of gentlemen's spas called "Pinkadoo". There's not much about them listed on the web but there are three of them in this area.

In Butuan, Pinkadoo is open 24 hours a da It is located in a small strip mall on Ochoa Street. If you are coming from the National Highway (JC Aquino Avenue) it is on the left side of Ochoa between Albeck's Inn and the Villafidelina Shopping Center (look it up on Google Maps). I think the Villafidelina store might actually be named the Villahermosa store, so don't be surprised if the names don't jive.

The spa front is rather nondescript with a large Pinkadoo sign at the top of the building and a few potted pine trees sitting out front. Just open the sliding door and waltz on in, pay your fee, and they will guide you to a curtain-drawn room. I think there are 5 rooms, each lighted with a subdued red light and relaxing piped music. You will sit for about 5 minutes until your provider arrives. Unfortunately you don't get to choose your girl, they just send one down to you.

If you go during the day, the place will be stuffy because they only turn on the air conditioning if there are clients. At night the rooms are nice and cool.

The spa is staffed with 7 girls who are all available between 3 pm and 3 am. If you come outside of those times, you get the one who is deemed the "on call girl" for the day. Each gal I've had is between the ages of 20-23 and were reasonably pretty and fit. No ugly hounds here. Four gals spoke reasonably good English and were fun to flirt with. They are looking for husbands but I'm not sure if they would date a 58 year old horndog customer, haha.

The sexy house uniform is a white sleeveless button-up blouse, red ruffled mini skirt, knee high black stockings, and 2 to 4 inch high heeled black pumps. Unfortunately they remain fully clothed during the service.

Their 650 peso "lingam" package includes a 45 minute full body massage followed by the actual lingam service, which is guaranteed as part of the package. If you want only a massage, the price is 350 pesos. This is a gentlemen's spa, so you don't have to worry about disapproving looks from female patrons. They will offer you the chance to take a cold water bucket shower if you desire but the bathing facilities are not all that appealing. I always shower right before I head over.

In my five visits some body massages were better than others, but were mostly very good and relaxing. At least two of the girls received formal massage training from TESDA, which is the educational organization which provides technical training education to graduating high school students. Hands on and hand job training, that's what makes it more fun in the Phils.

After the body massage is complete, the therapist leaves the room for about 5 minutes and comes back with some warm and moist towels. She cleans your junk then begins to massage your chest, moves down to the thighs, then picks up the balls and lightly massages the prostate area. Finally she loads up with more lotion and works it into the penile shaft, then begins to tug it off slowly, then gradually varying the tempo. Each one has been superb and I've gotten at least 5 minutes of intense pleasure before erupting.

Two of the gals climbed up onto the massage table to give me the lingam massage. They had no problem with me running my hands up and down their calves and thighs. They wear shorts under their skirts so it would be difficult to access the honey hole, if allowed.

One thing to remember: these are trained massage therapists and take great pride in their work. I assume they don't consider themselves to be prostitutes. So it's definitely not the kind of spa where you request blow jobs and intercourse like they have in Davao. I guarantee you they will turn you down every time.

No one has offered or hinted that more is available. I asked the first lady if we could do more and she said the city can shut them down if there's any hint of extra services being provided. So I'm guessing they all toe the line.

I always tip 100 pesos and the girls always seem happy with it.

The other two Pinkadoo locations are in Cagayan de Oro and in San Francisco, Agusan Del Sur. I don't know the exact location of the CDO branch but one girl says it's near the big Gaisano store. Hopefully a trike driver can find it for you.

I haven't been to the one in San Francisco, but an online posting says it is located in front of Pulvera Hardware and beside RD pawnshop. Pulvera Hardware is listed in Google Maps.

One interesting point is that the girls rotate between all three outlets. They will spend 1-2 weeks at one, then take the bus and go work at another one. That's good for variety but not so good if you wish to develop a rapport with a particular gal.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1866938]Going to Bohol (Alona Beach) for diving and interested in any advice anyone has for there. I know it's not a spot for girls, but there is always a local scene to most places and I won't hold out my standards for anything too high. Will be hitting Bangkok after the trip to get my fill of girls. Anyone with experience in Bohol I would appreciate anything you have to share.[/QUOTE]Late reply so maybe you have been and gone.

I would take one with you BYO as plenty Cebuanas on semester break and would love a short holiday on Alona for some help with school fees LOL (if that is what you want).

I know a few who would love the idea.

Any feedback on Sabang in low season. June July.

Are girl numbers down. Went in March / April and numbers were good.

Does low season affect availability.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1888474]Any feedback on Sabang in low season. June July.

Are girl numbers down. Went in March / April and numbers were good.

Does low season affect availability.[/QUOTE]I'm in Sabang / Puerto Galera now.

Basically "Yes" to all your questions. Numbers of girls and Western tourists are well down from March. However, there are many more Korean tourists than normal over during their holiday period.

Many of the girls I caught up with last visit have gone home to the Province for their annual trip while business is slow.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1890620]I'm in Sabang / Puerto Galera now.

Basically "Yes" to all your questions. Numbers of girls and Western tourists are well down from March. However, there are many more Korean tourists than normal over during their holiday period.

Many of the girls I caught up with last visit have gone home to the Province for their annual trip while business is slow.[/QUOTE]Bad time to visit or still enough? Numbers down by 1/4 ??1/2 ??

Thankyou.

Found a dentist on Tiano Bro's street, second floor (Antolin's), for anyone in need while in CDO. On Tiano, just of the corner of Tiano / Akut streets.

WC.

Called Vitalab, on A Luna street, between Velez and Tiano Bro's. Right next to Maylinda's Salon, see pic (that's hotel Marianne Suites in the background). For those dying to know if they have herpes: Open 6 am!

[QUOTE=NewImage;1890858]Bad time to visit or still enough? Numbers down by 1/4 ??1/2 ??

Thankyou.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply. Haven't logged on for a while.

Sabang is a very small place so you will never find big bars with '00's of girls like AC.

Numbers of girls are down 20% over the weekend with a significant number also not bothering to come to work Tues / Wed night. Given this girls are more willing to hand out numbers for ST bookings during the day if that is your scene. Girls usually dedicated to Koreans are also prepared to lower their standards (just joking. ! to Westerners (note these tend to be very pretty but absolute starfishes when it counts).

Number of punters. Westerners are way down. It's not unusual to be one of 3 or 4 in the whole bar. The Koreans have just dropped off as their holidays are coming to an end and there are a few Chinese showing up as well.

In summary, if you're coming alone for quieter nights or enjoy setting up daytime ST opportunities it's a good time to come. If you want to come to party hard amongst the crowd or are Korean phobic, give it a miss.

I've always had a lot of luck spending the first few days finding old connections or skilled new acquaintances and then just do an extended bar fine for 5 days. Both parties get to know what each other likes and she will be happy to thank you for the regular income. In the current environment this still works well.

[QUOTE=Goferring;1897399]Sorry for the late reply. Haven't logged on for a while.

Sabang is a very small place so you will never find big bars with '00's of girls like AC.

Numbers of girls are down 20% over the weekend with a significant number also not bothering to come to work Tues / Wed night. Given this girls are more willing to hand out numbers for ST bookings during the day if that is your scene. Girls usually dedicated to Koreans are also prepared to lower their standards (just joking. ! to Westerners (note these tend to be very pretty but absolute starfishes when it counts).

Number of punters. Westerners are way down. It's not unusual to be one of 3 or 4 in the whole bar. The Koreans have just dropped off as their holidays are coming to an end and there are a few Chinese showing up as well.

In summary, if you're coming alone for quieter nights or enjoy setting up daytime ST opportunities it's a good time to come. If you want to come to party hard amongst the crowd or are Korean phobic, give it a miss.

I've always had a lot of luck spending the first few days finding old connections or skilled new acquaintances and then just do an extended bar fine for 5 days. Both parties get to know what each other likes and she will be happy to thank you for the regular income. In the current environment this still works well.[/QUOTE]Will try June / July in 2017.

Just spent about a week (Jun. 22-28) in Sabang for diving of both kinds. Me, late forties guy, easy on the eyes. My observations is that there are a number of evenings that a third to half the talent in establishments such as Midnight, Venus and the bar opposite it are walking out the door empty at closing. (specifically the nights of Saturday, 25th and Monday 27th. , the other nights I wasn't there to see as I BF'd early. There are a lot of untaken girls these venues, especially at around 930-10 pm. Even late at night, a decent selection. I would absolutely not be avoiding Sabang on the basis the the girls are not there or are skipping work. (they are under strict work rules and they risk fines for that). Also my experience was that there is a meaningful number of girls that are aching to be taken by western men. Several told me straight up that they have a distinct avoidance, last resort attitude toward Koreans and Chinese. Westerns are a price BF catch and a number of the girls will quickly make eye contact. Yes, there are asian-onlys types, but that didn't seem to diminish my ability to find what I was looking for. As an unexpected bonus one night (and on my point that westerns hold a mystic) The hot cousin of the girl I was with worked at the same bar, she was hanging out with us and was a turn on to me, but I'd chosen and BF the younger of the two. Later, on the way to my hotel, my BF said that her cousin wanted to join us that night and would it be ok with me. I asked "how is that supposed to work?" She explained that her cousin had never been with a westerner, they would make it work and I'd be happy. I had never been with two hot Filipino girls at the same time. The added bonus was that both enamored with fucking decent looking westerner. These were no star fish as I soon discovered, they were into fucking themselves into a stupor. "The never fucked a white guy" chick had multiple, hard orgasms. Both provided alternating BBBJ while the other sucked or licked what ever I told them to, both alternated fucking, had one girl grab my johnson and plunge it into her wide eyed cousin. I remember seeing the girls were rubbing the others pussy while I was fucking it. But it was funny to see one attempt to lick the others tit and get repudiated and have her face shoved away. All three of us began to laugh at the absurdity of it all. I'd put that evening in my top five lifetime and I never saw it coming. Total damage, 1500 BF, 1500 girl 1, 1500 girl two. 4500 php. $95, ok for me. The way I looked at it, I couldn't afford not to blow the extra $30 usd to find out what was going to be like and I am very glad I did.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1902307] The way I looked at it, I couldn't afford not to blow the extra $30 usd to find out what was going to be like and I am very glad I did.[/QUOTE]I recall getting the same thoughts one night. When we look at what pussy costs us at home and we are sometimes wondering, do we spent $30 for this new experience or wait until we get home where it's going to be $1,000.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1902307]Just spent about a week (Jun. 22-28) in Sabang for diving of both kinds. Me, late forties guy, easy on the eyes. SNIP [/QUOTE]Great post. It's been over a decade since I've been to the Sabang / Puerto Galera location. Is there any good snorkeling in this area.

[QUOTE=XMan;1902499]Great post. It's been over a decade since I've been to the Sabang / Puerto Galera location. Is there any good snorkeling in this area.[/QUOTE]PG and esp Sabang is more of a diver's place. If you don't dive you will feel a bit out of it. Lots of Korean, Jap & others go there to dive and some play. Snorkeling pretty light on.

I have found better options if you want quantity, quality and price eg Subic Bay.

Also it is easier to get to and just up the road from Angeles!

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1902434]I recall getting the same thoughts one night. When we look at what pussy costs us at home and we are sometimes wondering, do we spent $30 for this new experience or wait until we get home where it's going to be $1,000.[/QUOTE]LOL, Great minds think alike. And, frankly, what happened that night might never be so "organic" at home (nor do I p4 p). That was probably the best ~$30 usd "inclusion" I ever spent.

Two things that were in my favor, it wasn't my idea in the first place, the girls both picked each other, and me. So my anxiety about having two girls was lowered, then annihilated.

Fwiw, to kick things off after the girls had a large Red Horse between them at the room, my BF's suggested I join the cousin in the shower. I did, and ended up being able to shave what little pussy fuzz she had, a major turn on to me. While I was shaving her, I liked how she used her foot to play with my dick. When I rinsed her pussy clean, I saw her clit hood was glowing pinkish / red, so I began to gently lick and suck it and teased her hole with the tip of my finger. She completely surrendered to me. I lifted her tiny 38 kilo spinner body onto my hips and pressed her back against the tile wall and slid the tip of my cock into her. She immediately wrapped her legs around me, and I saw her mouth open and heard a guttural sound from deep inside, her eyes went wide, rolling back, she had taken me balls deep, a pretty solid fill for her first time. She said clearly and forcefully: "Fuck-me". Then the electricity went off ("rolling brown outs" Unexpectantly, in total darkness, she went berserk. The "fuck-me's" got more panicked and I soon I felt her pussy contract and she had the first of several orgasms she had while fucking that night. The electricity came back on moments later. I told her that I had to save my power. She understood. I seriously needed to see what my BF had in store for me as well. We exited the shower and my BF laughed, wondering wth we did to kill the power. We all got on the bed ftw. I should have mentioned this, it was my second time with the BF, the first having been a few days earlier on my first night. So I knew what she was capable off. And was a great reason to trust her on having the cousin join us that night.

Butuan City has a small streetwalker area. It's located in the area around S. J. I. T. (Saint Joseph Institute of Technology, use Google maps for location). If they're out, they will be on the streets within 1-2 blocks on the north, east, and south sides of the university in the area north of Villanueva street. Also look at the corner of Villanueva and Montilla for female touts. Lots of the corners have male touts but I hate dealing with a middle man. Don't bother searching on the west side of Montilla Boulevard, there are none out there.

They usually are out between 7:30 and 11 pm. The quality generally ranges from passable to fugly. The streets are dark and it's definitely not the place for foreigners to walk about. Use a trike if interested in checking it out.

Butuan mongering is more about phone contacts than girlie bars. Middle men are easy to find. Just about any trike driver knows someone who knows someone. There are also a couple of old hags who hang out at Guingona Park (located near Saint Joseph Cathedral) who can hook you up, too. They sit on benches along the Almont Hotel side of the park.

Last night I had my third meeting with a regular named Kharen. She was hanging out along Montilla Boulevard just to the south of S. J. I. T. She's 28 years old with a nice shape, just a hint of a baby belly. Always wears a cute mini dress and 3 inch wedgie sandals. She actually looks more Central American than Filipina. I would rate her looks as 5/10 and is easily the best looking of the local SW. 1000 pesos for uncovered BJ and covered intercourse. We used a 200 peso short time hotel, and the bell boy went and got some condoms for us. 100 pesos for a pack of 3.

During our first meeting, she gave me an unusual compliment. She said, "I have seen a lot of cocks, but yours is the whitest cock I have ever seen". I guess I can thank all that Nivea whitening lotion I used during those numerous intimate sessions I had in my locked bedroom as a teenager.

Thanks for the reply NewImage.

From another source I've learned that there is snorkeling on the west side of Medio Island. You need to take a bank boat.

[QUOTE=XMan;1902499]Great post. It's been over a decade since I've been to the Sabang / Puerto Galera location. Is there any good snorkeling in this area.[/QUOTE]

Just a brief report that despite it being the depths of the low season there was still multiple cute girls available on Boracay in July. Took one girl from Cocomangas and another from Tinder or WeChat. Still lots to choose from.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1902307]Just spent about a week (Jun. 22-28) in Sabang for diving of both kinds. Me, late forties guy, easy on the eyes. My observations is that there are a number of evenings that a third to half the talent in establishments such as Midnight, Venus and the bar opposite it are walking out the door empty at closing. (specifically the nights of Saturday, 25th and Monday 27th. , the other nights I wasn't there to see as I BF'd early. There are a lot of untaken girls these venues[/QUOTE]I agree. Spent 10 days in Sabang back in November. First night, my cousin and I BF'd two girls for the night. Both were really fun. We ended up spending the next day with them, rented scooters to tour the area, without any extra charge from the girls. They even brought us back and introduced us to mamasan at the apartment the girls share. Each bar has two or three mamasans working in it and so my girl was at a different apartment from my cousins. Mamasan took a liking to us and kept suggesting other girls for us the rest of our stay. We brought all the girls pizza one night before they all went to work and had a great time hanging out and flirting with all of them. My cousin's girl started introducing him as "hubby" which cracked me up! Some nights we would go to the bar these girls worked and shoot pool, other nights we would go to another bar. After a few nights, our original two girls started coming by our place after work if they didn't get bar fined just to sleep in our place because we had better air conditioning! If we had company, we just told them not tonight and they would pout but go back to their place. If we were alone, they came in and showed us why we should keep them. After the first night, they did not ask for any money, but we did pay for food etc. And we gave them a nice tip at the end of our trip. One of the best time mongering I have had in a long time. Can't wait to get back. Not the hard core mongering you find in Pattaya or Makati, but I really enjoyed the more laid back pace of the place.

[QUOTE=Redfield10;1936578]Is there any action at all in Palawan?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1936688]A few random lady boys. There is a disco on main drag that has some local young dudes and chicas hanging out there but estimate your chances as slim and none.

I befriended one lady boy at this small outdoor bar. She told me her German boyfriend had just arrived and was sleeping off jet lag in his hotel room. I asked her if she knew any available wild local girls and acted offended that I was looking for putas.

Nice place though if you import someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida;1936753]Essentially BYO but if you're young & gwapo you'll get laid anywhere. Flaunting wealth attracts putas. Where are you in this picture?[/QUOTE]Depends where you are in Palawan.

If you're at El Nido, you need to bring your own unless you get very lucky with other tourists.

Puerto Princesa is like any small town / city in the Phils.

As AV said, you will find that there is always someone available in a beer bar, karaoke or just in a fast food place.

Actually, I forgot about that long street to downtown area that begins after you take a right at the Puerto Princesa airport. There are several bars on this road but found the talent rather weak. There is also a club directly across from airport that had several girls available who do a modeling show (fully clothed) from time to time. The BF was high though the girls more attractive. I had a girl sit with me and gave her my number. In the morning I went for coffee across the road from this club, whereupon, and coincidentally, she called me. My girl could actually see me sitting outside from the club's upstairs patio where many of the girls live.

She came over to the coffee shop, struck a deal, and then we walked to my hotel which was five minutes down the street. Two pops in about an 1 1/2. Pretty cute but has a baby who lived in this neighborhood with her sister.

The LB I met was in El Nido at the north end of island. She was offended when I asked her about finding some action with local girls. I did find that town to be bereft of action though, as always, your experiences may vary. Finding another tourist would be your best shot.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1936788]Depends where you are in Palawan.

If you're at El Nido, you need to bring your own unless you get very lucky with other tourists.

Puerto Princesa is like any small town / city in the Phils.

As AV said, you will find that there is always someone available in a beer bar, karaoke or just in a fast food place.[/QUOTE]

If you want a diversion from the usual Manila. Angeles route and are seeking sun, sand and plenty of sex, then Sabang could be for you. It helps if you like diving of the nautical type. At night, you can pound as much Pinay pussy as you can handle, and all rather cheaply.

Getting There From Manila.

Getting to Sabang is quite tedious. Apart from an adhoc sea plane service, there are no other scheduled air services, so you have to go by bus / car and then take a ferry. In Manila, head to Buendia bus station and get on any bus going to Batangas Pier. The ride to Batangas Pier will take around 2-hours (but may be more depending on traffic) and will cost around 170 PHP. At Batangas Pier, go to the passenger terminal and buy a ferry ticket for either Sabang or Muelle Pier. There are a few operators using motorised outrigger ferries and all charge around 200 PHP for a one-way trip. The ferry ride will take about 90 minutes. If you are getting off at Muelle Pier, you will then need to take a trike for 150 PHP to Sabang. Don't worry if the ferry looks a bit dodgy. It's perfectly safe, they have life jackets and the Filipinos are very good seafarers. The Coast Guard Officer inspects the vessel before it leaves and makes sure everyone is wearing a life jacket. The minute he gets off, the life jackets are stored away! You can also get a taxi straight from Manila to Batangas Pier and the cost is negotiable, but around 2500 PHP. Personally, I don't see the point when a / see bus service is readily available.

Where to Stay.

There are heaps of places to stay in Sabang. It is a very compact area and it all depends on your budget. 2000 PHP will get you a reasonable place. I stayed at the new Minara Sea Resort for around 3,200 PHP a night. It was very nice and the girls seemed to like it. The only trouble with the Minara is that it is built on top of a hill and it is a killer to get to. Climbing up and down the steps several times a day in the heat knocks you around. All hotels are very girl friendly. At the Minara, if you are brining a girl back to your room after 10.00 pm, she will need to sign in. No big deal.

What to do During the Day.

Unless you are into diving, there is not a lot to do during the day. There are more than 10 dive schools in Sabang. Some cater only for Chinese, some only for Koreans, but the majority have western dive instructors. If you don't dive, you can get a trike to White Beach and spend half a day. White beach is only for local tourists, but there are a few good restaurants and the usual array of souvenir shops. White beach is 600 PHP round trip by trike. When you want to return to Sabang, just text your driver and he will come and collect you. At Sabang, there are many genuine massage parlors where you can kill a couple of hours a day. There are also a few tattoo parlors. But as I said, there isn't much else to do.

Night Time Activities.

There are six girlie bars in Sabang and five are located in an alley way one block from the beach. They are literally only a few metres apart. The other girlie bar is located across the road, but seemed to be a Korean set up. All other bars are very welcoming for Westerners. Whenever I entered a bar, I had no trouble attracting girls willing to come and sit with me. As with any town, there were a some very beautiful girls, some average girls and some ugly girls. You can't generalise. The bar action starts around 6. 00 pm and closing is between 11.00 pm - 2. 00 am depending on the bar. All bar fines at all bars are 3,000 PHP all inclusive. There is no requirement to pay the girl anything else unless you want to giver her a tip for great service. The biggest bar in Sabang and the one with the most vibrant atmosphere was was the Philippines Disco. It is useful being friendly with the lady boy mamasan there. Just buy her a drink and she will help you out. I bar fined three girls and all were prepared to stay until 8. 00 am the next day. I did ask two to leave early as one was coughing a lot and I didn't want to get sick; the other was starting to irritate me. The one I allowed to stay until 8. 00 am was a newbie, I was her first customer. So sweet and innocent.

A word of warning. Many of the girls dance with one piece swimsuits. This is to hide their stretch marks on their bellies. Personally, I'm okay with stretch marks on their bellies as I'm no oil painting myself. But if that bothers you, only pick the girls with two piece bikinis so you can inspect their stomach first!

Don't go there thinking Sabang is only for Koreans. Sure, many of the dive schools and bars are Korean owned, but everyone's blue 1,000 PHP notes are the same. I didn't encounter any discrimination for not being a Korean.

Food.

There are a few western type eateries in Sabang. An Italian guy operates an authentic pizza and pasta place which was excellent. Most restaurants serve a mixture of standard Filipino / Chinese / Western food. You know, chicken abodo, pork abodo, cheeseburger, stir fry vegetables, hamburger patty with rice, skewers etc. There is also a good Swiss bakery there selling nice bread. You won't starve in Sabang.

Getting from Sabang to Angeles City is not an easy trip and you will need to allow for a whole day of travel. Even if you leave at 7. 00 am at Sabang Pier, you will not reach AC before 4. 00 pm. Here is the schedule:

Sabang Pier to Batangas Port - 90 minutes, 200 PHP ferry ride. They will also charge about 20-50 PHP for port admin / enviro levy or some other bullshit like that.

Batangas Port to Buendia Bus Station, Manila - 2-3 hours, 170 PHP bus ride.

Buendia Station to Pasay Victory Liner Terminal - 20 minutes, 150 PHP taxi ride.

Pasay to Dau Bus Station - 3 hours, 170 PHP bus ride.

Dau to AC Hotel - 15 minutes, 100 PHP trike ride.

If you don't want to take public transport, then speak to the deck hands on the ferry out of Sabang Pier. They will actually approach you with a taxi proposal. Batangas Port direct to AC will be around 5,000 PHP by taxi and will shave a couple of hours off your travel time.

Anybody been to Biliran Naval area? If so, what is it like?

I went to a small beach area north of Naval called Almeria with a GF. I didn't notice any obvious signs of p4 p. The accommodations were very simple. Noisy karaoke was the evening activity. The biggest plus was a nice little day-use island just offshore. It was very quiet, decent swimming and a bit of coral if you care for snorkeling.

If there had been more time, I would have liked to visit Maripipi island or hit some other destinations around Biliran Island. I didn't stay long enough to give a decent field report. I stayed only two days. I have a few pictures if you're still interested.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1948281]Anybody been to Biliran Naval area? If so, what is it like?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1941041]Getting from Sabang to Angeles City is not an easy trip and you will need to allow for a whole day of travel. Even if you leave at 7. 00 am at Sabang Pier, you will not reach AC before 4. 00 pm. Here is the schedule:

Sabang Pier to Batangas Port - 90 minutes, 200 PHP ferry ride. They will also charge about 20-50 PHP for port admin / enviro levy or some other bullshit like that.

Batangas Port to Buendia Bus Station, Manila - 2-3 hours, 170 PHP bus ride.

Buendia Station to Pasay Victory Liner Terminal - 20 minutes, 150 PHP taxi ride.

Pasay to Dau Bus Station - 3 hours, 170 PHP bus ride.

Dau to AC Hotel - 15 minutes, 100 PHP trike ride.

If you don't want to take public transport, then speak to the deck hands on the ferry out of Sabang Pier. They will actually approach you with a taxi proposal. Batangas Port direct to AC will be around 5,000 PHP by taxi and will shave a couple of hours off your travel time.[/QUOTE]That's very helpful, as I've thought of doing that trip from Sabang to AC. That's an eye opener, and very accurate as I've done the Sabang to Manila leg and its spot on.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1950993]That's very helpful, as I've thought of doing that trip from Sabang to Subic. That's an eye opener, and very accurate as I've done the Sabang to Manila leg and its spot on.[/QUOTE]Did the trip Easter this year- left at 8 got there at 5- never again (but was boat- bus. Bus- jeepney).

Suggest either car from Batangas to AC -stay a day, then continue on.

And if you meet an ex policeman from the States who lives near Dau (who apparently new a short cut) smack him out for me.

Puerto Galera / Sabang Oct 2016.

Observations from my last (ever?) visit.

Principal activities. Scuba and whoring. As ever.

Numerous dive shops all along Sabang, Little LaLaguna and LaLaguna beaches, all competing for the same client base. Suggest South Seas, Frontier and Asia Divers, but plenty of others would be as.

Good. Be warned though that there are some cowboy operators in the Scuba / diving world and these could be deadly if circumstances go bad underwater. Told that there is a Scandinavian alcoholic.

Running one. Cannot offer prices as I was busted medically unfit so unable to indulge.

Good snorkeling from Sabang, around Sabang Point and to / beyond Monkey beach, and also from Lalaguna beach around LaLaguna Pt. I believe that there is plenty of good snorkeling nearby for.

Surface divers. Banka hire P500/- subject to negotiating what you want to do. No snorkel hire seen. Wtf. Always used to be a few places offering hire equipment.

Now lets get onto the real stuff.

Freelances about Big Apple and Eddies place. I hear that you can negotiate to P500/- (?short time) but cannot confirm this. Whenever the takings in the bars are down, these hunting girls are arrested and.

Gaoled / fined / run out of town. I sense that this is happening less often now.

Six girly bars, all priced the same: P1500/- to the house to take a girl out, P1500/- to the girl in the morning. No other tip expected. But see below. Negotiate what you want in the bar (to the.

Extent that you can over the din (I found it useful to have paper and pen and negotiate by writing! Some of the girls will negotiate an after hours deal to save you the house's cut, but this is risky for.

Them as the houses have their informers and enforcers. The risk to you is slight: the bars blacklist you. No more girls. Beers P80 to 100/ Ladies drinks P250/ of which the girl gets P70/ This leaves an.

Opening to slip the girl (say) P100/- for her company rather than buy her a drink, but again the informers and enforces could get at your lady. As ever it is worth trying to get on good terms with the.

Mamasans, but I did not find any who would really try to procure to my requirements. I know that I m getting on and my eyes are growing dim, but some of those 18 yos just ain't.

The bar girls are checked weekly, but only a fool would count on it. Some find family business away just before check up day but return a couple of days later, and I doubt that the test is reliable or.

Comprehensive anyway.

Unless you are that way inclined, watch out for girls -who-are-not-girls. Plenty of them about, very convincing, some with kids, good boobs and "a dick as big as mine" (comment by South Seas customer).

Apparently much more numerous at White Beach than Sabang.

** Koreans. Yes they own most the Sabang bars, and tribes of Koreans descend on the bars soon after opening and take the best looking girls out. Often these are the most lively and the best English.

Speakers. I saw say 8 Koreans departing Sabang Disco at about 7. 30 pm with 8 very good looking birds, all talking in English as that was their common language, and off to dinner somewhere. When I.

Went to the bar at say 10.00 pm, OWGs comfortably outnumbered the girls, the leavings were not much to look at and their English was poor. Suggest that it may be worth copying the Koreans and.

Take your girl early and to dinner. Adds another P500/- to the night!

Accommodation P700/- for basic nipa hut if you can find one. Fan rooms with bath from 800/ Ac rooms from P1000/ Good beachfront ac rooms from P1500/ Prices sometimes can be negotiated.

Especially for longer stays (1 month+) but may have to pay a separate power & cleaning bills.

Breakfast from P200/- (bacon, 2 eggs, bread (sometimes toasted), tea or coffee) Cheeseburgers from P35/- (street vendors) - to P100/- (restaurants. And 3 x as big / good). Meals from P350/- (Eddies.

Place, fish and rice) to P1000/- (Papa Freds Steakhouse, steak). El Galleon's Friday night special is Indian Buffet and excellent value. Also try Tinas, Tamarind and Big Apple restaurant. There are other.

Interesting looking places in LaLaguna and Little LaLaguna where there also ought be good value food.

Transport to / from Manila by private taxi (P1500-2500/- and banka P170/ SIKAT bus (P800/ aprx. Including banka) , DIY bus and banka (P420/- and cheaper in a non a / see bus, but you don't want to be in.

One if you get stuck in Manila traffic. And you will). Terminal fee at Batangas is P20/- and maybe this is used for the terminal development or maintenance. Landing fee at Puerto Galera or Sabang is P50/.

According to local expats this is 100% embezzled by the local govt. That said there is better lighting and port facilities at Sabang than ever before. Taxi tricycles and motor bikes for local travel.

All run by rickshawallahs. Opportunistic thieves everywhere in the world and to be avoided like the plague. Know the fair price before hiring them, and if the local ATM is down, you won't get near it. I so.

Got the shits with them that I walked everywhere. Puerto proper is only 5-6 km from Sabang. The jeeps are a better deal.

Condoms (and most other things) available in the Sabang mini-market. Two pharmacies in Sabang, surprisingly well stocked and two more in Puerto proper, better stocked).

Note to Editor: this was prepared on Notepad and I had a be#are of a job getting into ISG. Hope that it is OK.

[QUOTE=JayTee3650;1955773]Puerto Galera / Sabang Oct 2016.

Observations from my last (ever?) visit.

Condoms (and most other things) available in the Sabang mini-market. Two pharmacies in Sabang, surprisingly well stocked and two more in Puerto proper, better stocked).

Note to Editor: this was prepared on Notepad and I had a be#are of a job getting into ISG. Hope that it is OK.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Have to agree considering the hassle to get there, the prices and other factors there are much better and cheaper options at Angeles or Subic or Cebu or. But YVMD.

Hi community,

In March I will be going to Surigao to see my ex and my daughter. Last time I was there, nothing happened with my ex (and nothing will) but I got a feeling that some of the staff at my hotel would have been up for a screw.

I love screwing Asian women. Does anybody have any experience with Surigao girls? Next trip will be for ten days, and I want some entertainment.

Thanks,

AJ.

[QUOTE=Spectre42;1967140]Hi community,

In March I will be going to Surigao to see my ex and my daughter. Last time I was there, nothing happened with my ex (and nothing will) but I got a feeling that some of the staff at my hotel would have been up for a screw.

I love screwing Asian women. Does anybody have any experience with Surigao girls? Next trip will be for ten days, and I want some entertainment.

Thanks,

AJ.[/QUOTE]I've been there, stayed there. The local girls will be so terrified of rumors that success is unlikely. The only chance I can imagine of getting lucky would be in a situation where she felt certain nobody would know. Staff girl at the hotel? Maybe willing, but would still fear discovery IMHO. If in your situation, I would try my best on several dating sites and ask the interested girls from nearby (not quite in the same place as you) to visit your hotel.

[QUOTE=Spectre42;1967140]SNIP but I got a feeling that some of the staff at my hotel would have been up for a screw.

Does anybody have any experience with Surigao girls? Next trip will be for ten days, and I want some entertainment.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do.

But while some staff might be "up for a screw", none of them will act on that while in the area (certainly not in the hotel she works in). She will not take the risk of having everyone she knows find out she boffed a foreigner. Your better bet is to find a cheap hotel in a nearby community / town and bus the girl over to you. Many of my Photogallery posts involve exactly that -- provincial girls who bus to me in a nearby province, or into Manila / Cebu. Once the girls are free of their community, they are nawty on a first visit, and after they get to know you are safe, on subsequent visits often times their nawty alter-ego comes to the foreground. Consider looking on dating sites for girls from Gingoog or Butuan to visit you in Surigao.

[QUOTE=Spectre42;1967140]
I love screwing Asian women. Does anybody have any experience with Surigao girls? Next trip will be for ten days, and I want some entertainment.
.[/QUOTE]Surigao is my regular provincial visit town. Over four visits I have never slept alone in this place. WC info is correct about provincial girls. It would be hard for a local girl to be out and about dating a foreigner without too much gossip. What has worked for me:

Dating sites: Get some contacts from pinalove or Tagged before you go, no more than two weeks notice required. Do check that they are within a one hour bus ride of Surigao.

WeChat: I have found good contacts will be available in your local area. There are some regular girls that work wechat, plus many girls from our of town will set up and operate through wechat.

The MO of the local girls will be that they want to come directly to you hotel room. They don't want to be seen out and about with you. Maybe have some beers, Tanduay, red horse or movies to watch to calm their nerves.

I'm planning my next trip back to SUR in early 2017. Can't wait to taste some more provincial university student pussy.

BD.

On re-reading my post, there was some information that I forgot to include.

Firstly, when I return, I will be staying in the same hotel as I was before.

Secondly, the thing that made me feel I might get lucky; One of the girls who was working the hotel desk got chatting to me one morning, and she was open enough to comment that she thought it was strange that my ex did not stay overnight with me.

Thirdly, the same girl also complained to me about how her and her friend had to travel nearly two hours per day to get to their jobs in Surigao. Her friend was very hot little number who was working in a shop directly across the road.

I'm not sure that a "good" Filipino girl would have made the above statements to me.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Spectre42;1967370]On re-reading my post, there was some information that I forgot to include.

Firstly, when I return, I will be staying in the same hotel as I was before.

Secondly, the thing that made me feel I might get lucky; One of the girls who was working the hotel desk got chatting to me one morning, and she was open enough to comment that she thought it was strange that my ex did not stay overnight with me.

Thirdly, the same girl also complained to me about how her and her friend had to travel nearly two hours per day to get to their jobs in Surigao. Her friend was very hot little number who was working in a shop directly across the road.

I'm not sure that a "good" Filipino girl would have made the above statements to me.

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Be careful. After a few days in the Philippines us foreigners get a little delusional. We start to believe we are so handsome and so desirable.

[QUOTE=Spectre42;1967370]On re-reading my post, there was some information that I forgot to include.

Firstly, when I return, I will be staying in the same hotel as I was before.

Secondly, the thing that made me feel I might get lucky; One of the girls who was working the hotel desk got chatting to me one morning, and she was open enough to comment that she thought it was strange that my ex did not stay overnight with me.

Thirdly, the same girl also complained to me about how her and her friend had to travel nearly two hours per day to get to their jobs in Surigao. Her friend was very hot little number who was working in a shop directly across the road.
.[/QUOTE]I think it is a well known international hotel rule that hotel staff do not bed with the guests. If you really are keen on the hotel girl then you are going to need to do it offsite and maybe after you have moved hotels.

You also need to consider that the hotel girl will have all of your personal contact details to use as she (and her pinoy BF) choose.

It's a country of 50,000,000 pinay, you ex-wife and the hotel girls are off limits, other than that you can go for the other 49,999,995 pussies.

When I was staying at a Surigao hotel I was surprised when my overnight girl was allowed to just come past reception and straight to my room without a warning. Turns out she was a school friend of the reception girl. This same reception girl had helped my ID two girls earlier in the day to make sure they were of age. Seems that she was happy to help her friend but also retained some information. As I know of this link now I no longer stay in that Surigao hotel.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1967496]I think it is a well known international hotel rule that hotel staff do not bed with the guests. If you really are keen on the hotel girl then you are going to need to do it offsite and maybe after you have moved hotels.[/QUOTE]If hotel staff sleeps with you, she will tell you she lost her job (maybe scam, maybe true) and try to guilt you into supporting her. She already has all of your info. Not worth it, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1967449]Be careful. After a few days in the Philippines us foreigners get a little delusional. We start to believe we are so handsome and so desirable.[/QUOTE]Well you are DG but it is not me who is delusional as it is true that I am like Brad Pitt LOL.

Also, I met 2 waitresses at the hotel I was staying at in Manila, so I checked out booked into another and we had a great 3 some.

No way you do it in the same hotel, for example. A girl I know in Dubai. Her good friend did this and next day was terminated. In the Philippines there will be lots more 'consequences' especially if it is a small town etc.

- First time back in a few years.

- Barfines and total cost were the same; it was 1500 for barfine and 1500 mandatory tip. Beer prices went up slightly.

- There are 2 new girlie bars. What's Up next to Coco Lips and Quantum replaced that disco above Venus. Hence you now have a total of 9 girlie bars.

- Same MO as before. The Koreans come in at opening time (at 6 PM now), take the best lookers, and then the Whites come in later (probably after dinner).

- IMO, Venus is the best girlie bar for lookers. Note that some girls only go out with East Asians. It is very popular with the Koreans. By 7 or 7:30 PM, over half the girls are already barfined. This bar sometimes closes very early because most of the girls are barfined.

- I was told the following by a girl: The Australian that owns the Midnight girlie bar opened up Quantum. He is going to lose his lease on Midnight. He bought the building the houses Venus, and he's going to kick out Venus next year and move Midnight into it.

- There's a foosball table (football table) in Quantum. It's a nice one. First one I've seen in SE Asia.

- There's a Max Bank a little up the hill. Maximum withdrawal limit is 5000 pesos. Now there's a handwritten sign that states the limit. The ATM doesn't tell you that. If you put in 10000, it just waits and then the ATM tells you it timed out. What lame SW! That's probably why it never worked for me before (the 5000 pesos limit sign wasn't there before). Be warned that sometimes this bank, and the other bank in town (PNG Bank - it was Allied Signal) can be offline for a long time. You need to not wait till last minute to get your money from ATMs.

- You got beggars (Muslim?) and ladyboys around. Becoming like Angeles. Ugh!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1976592]- First time back in a few years.

- IMO, Venus is the best girlie bar for lookers. Note that some girls only go out with East Asians. It is very popular with the Koreans. By 7 or 7:30 PM, over half the girls are already barfined. This bar sometimes closes very early because most of the girls arebarfined.[/QUOTE]GreenBud,

Check your PMs.

I'd agree with your comments with the addition that the quality of service and GFE is inversely proportional to the average looks of the bar. Over the years the Koreans have set very low expectations for the K-focused girls. They have been accustomed to being well tipped for uninspiring service and quite often in and out within an hour. Good looking girls abound at Venus, Village and Midnight / Quantum but you will be fortunate to find a true performer. On the other hand the other bars frequently have girls that provide a great and extended experience.

Regarding Cash and ATMs, it's always been an issue in Sabang. The bank in town is rarely online and has the lowest withdrawal limit. A far better option is to catch a motorbike in to the PNB in town for 100 p and you can withdraw 10 kp at a time as many times as your bank allows. It was 20 k per go but that was years ago.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1976592]Barfines and total cost were the same; it was 1500 for barfine and 1500 mandatory tip. Beer prices went up slightly. There are 2 new girlie bars. What's Up next to Coco Lips and Quantum replaced that disco above Venus. Hence you now have a total of 9 girlie bars.[/QUOTE]Any idea of provenance of these girls? Local? From a particular province, region, or city? Or from all over the country.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1976792]Any idea of provenance of these girls? Local? From a particular province, region, or city? Or from all over the country.[/QUOTE]My guess is that they are from all over the country.

Facts: One was from Laguna (an area/city in Luzon between Batangas and Manila) and one was from Mindanao. :-)

[QUOTE=Goferring;1976681]the quality of service and GFE is inversely proportional to the average looks[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. Also applies to Angeles.

Hard to find a good looker who is willing to spend more than couple of hours, who do a lot of BBBJ, and who do threesomes.

Since the good lookers are barfined everyday (they will have multiple requests), they can be very selective.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1976938]My guess is that they are from all over the country.[/QUOTE]Correct. Though there are a lot of Catholic Mindanao girls arriving in town. One of the Mamasans in Midnight has two staff houses of girls from Davao. All are tall, pretty and buxom. The small spinners tend to come from Manila or Luzon generally.

[QUOTE]Hard to find a good looker who is willing to ...do threesomes.[/QUOTE]There are many girls in town that will do threesomes. Especially in low season when times are tough. However the vast majority are strictly a gay-for-pay experience rather than a true bi / homo sexual experience between the girls. A lot will tell you up front that they are happy to go three up but will not DATY another girl so it's basically one guy banging two individual girls. There was a truly gay girl in Disco that would be all in if she could select the third partner. Recently this has been a less attractive short girl but previously it was a China white skinned Muslim Mindanao girl. These threesomes were the real deal and very enjoyable. Unfortunately she is boyfriended up and back at home for as long as that lasts.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1976938]Hard to find a good looker who is willing to spend more than couple of hours, who do a lot of BBBJ, and who do threesomes[/QUOTE]This certainly applies to holiday visitors. However, the guys that actually live here report getting great service from the top shelf girls at prices of 500 to 1000 p for a couple of hours!

Where as tourists can offer larger tips / Ladies Drinks and "Rolling" barfines as incentives, the locals can offer ongoing cash flow and also the ability to infill slow periods. Apparently they regularly get discount rates during the girls "hour of need"s. This also gives the option to get the favor repaid when the local guy has an itch.

It sounds pretty tempting. I normally come for several weeks so may spread the word that I have permanently relocated on the next visit!

Boracay, PI.

Hotels:

Boracay Beach Club – Good hotel but if you are alone this is great and near a lot of the lady bars. If you are with someone then stay at another hotel.

[URL]www.boracaybeachclub.com[/URL]

Shangri-La's Boracay Resort & Spa – Nicest hotel on the island, away from town and quiet. I am a big fan of the Shangri La chain and if you stay here for sure before you arrive sign up online for their Golden Circle Club the perks are awesome.

[URL]www.shangri-la.com[/URL]

Monaco Suites de Boracay – This is more a destination resort on the other side of the island, rooms are awesome and huge but again far from everything.

[URL]www.monacosuitesdeboracay.com[/URL]

Restaurants:

Alchemy – Best of the Beach Road places and quite upscale with a fusion menu and even a tasting menu.

Address: Station 2, White Beach, Boracay, 5608.

Phone: 036/288–1972.

The'Talipapa Market – This is actually a great fish market and you go in and buy whatever you want to eat and then take what you buy to one of the nearby restaurants and have them cook it for you how you like it. This is not romantic at all but a fun time if you like this type of casual eating.

Station 2, Boracay.

Bay Leaf Café – This is the best of the "real" Filipino places on the island.

Palasaa Spa Building, Main Rd. Station 1.

Aria – Very romantic and the one good place for Italian food in all of PI.

The'Mall Phase 3, Unit 1, White Beach, Manggayad.

Phone: 036/288–5573.

[URL]www.aria.com.ph[/URL]

To Do:

"Island hopping" means not so much traveling from island to island, but rather more circumnavigating Boracay aboard a local "banka" motorized outrigger, making various stops for sightseeing and activities along the way. Half-day excursions usually head first for Crocodile Island, where you can snorkel in the crystal clear water and admire the marine life. Also normally visited are Crystal Cove, an island with two sea caves, and a secluded Boracay cove known as Puka Shell Beach. Also, try Ariel's Point, a spectacular outcrop of rock around 3 miles away, or 30 minutes by outrigger, on the neighboring island of Panay. Excursions here include canoeing, kayaking, snorkeling, and simply enjoying the views. The more adventurous can also try their hand at cliff diving from one of five platforms, which range from 10 to around 45 feet above the turquoise sea.

Ladies.

I was on Boracay in March and July last year. I like it, because it is quiet but fine for a party too. Specially in July it was very quiet.

Cocomangos is still the place where you can have a party and find a girl. I would say there were 30 to 40 girls around. It gets busy around 10. Across is another newer bar. Some girls move from one to another. At 1 am many girls move to Summer Place bar on the beach which is close to Bootstation 2. Here you can find more ladies. Some other bars are Hey Jude, Carl's Bar, Bamboo Bar and the Wave Disco. Some of the places have live music. There I found 2 karaoke places where you can pick a girl. Virgin Place and Zwammpys. Just ask a motodriver. There are also some FL around the beach. But also Ladyboys, be careful.

Boracay and the Boracay Beach Club.

I'm in Boracay now. In the Boracay Beach Club next door to Coccomungas. I must say this is a great location. The noise at night is not any issue whatever. The convenience of finding a date in the club and walking 50 yards to my room is fantastic. I'm here for 3 nights and must say I'd do four if I could do it over.

By the way, standard fare in the tryke is 10 pesos except from the harbor.

I must say the Boracay Beach Club is great. $80/ night with swimming pool and walk in shower large enough for three people. Security takes your date's ID at night, which I appreciate. The place has 30 rooms, is about 5 years old, well designed with free wi-fi. An electronic safe is in the wardrobe cabinet, but not attached to anything. The bathroom tile has a modern European look and the mattress is on a wooden platform. Staff is friendly and will provide extra towels or clean the room floors upon request. Sand tends to get tracked into the room easily. I was provided coupons for a complimentary breakfast and daily beer. The owner holds a US passport and is married to a Filipina. He showed me around when I arrived and explained how he happened to build the property. He claims that in high season the high rollers from Manila sort of take over the place. Right in front of the BBC is a restaurant / bar called Ariels where you get your included breakfast. Singles and some families with small children are in residence but the club is absolutely guest friendly. Location, location, location is what it's all about and this place is at station one. Nice legit massage next door for 350 psp / HR and laundry 60 yds down the street. I had a good massage each day. The beach is directly across the narrow paved road and easily accessed in one minute. Coccumungas disco is on the other side of the massage place.

Ambiance or vibe of the island is really nice. Particularily after Manila. Coccomungus can consistently satisfy all needs. I would walk to the disco next door at 10 pm. The women seeking the western man crowd hang in the front of the bar. The back 2/3 of the bar is filled with the Koreans who dominate the tourist population. There is good music, a younger crowd, but no problem for older guys. There is security at the entrance of the disco and the local men get checked pretty carefully. A sign outside the entrance requests that weapons be deposited with security. I never saw any problems. There is no cover here and SML is 67 pdp. My girlfriend the first night got a discount for us of 50 pdp / bottle. A 28 yo sweet young thing that I met apologized for her advanced age with sincerity and told me how much she prefers an older man (and his money) Life is good here. My first overnight was 2000 pdp and the second was 4000 with a masseuse from the Regency hotel. The third night was a 3 way that worthy of Thailand. When I first arrived a trike driver told me that short time was 2500 and long time 3500. So it can vary with circumstances and your bargaining ability.

Photography on the beach has been nice. The 10' wide locally owned convenience stores alternate with the 80' wide bars and even larger beach front hotels. I like the vibe here very much. A lot of the beachfront businesses are separated from the ocean by tall bamboo and opaque plastic sheets whose purpose is to reduce the destructive effects of wind on the shops. This means you can prowl directly on the beach during low tide or stick to the parallel store front pathways. I've never seen this type protective barrier before, but it makes sense in this typhoon prone region. My only regret is not going sailing with a GF during the day. Sailing in the small cats and island hopping seemed to be the primary diversions for the non diver. Diving schools are plentiful.

[QUOTE=Kataman;1978943]Boracay, PI.

Hotels:

Boracay Beach Club Good hotel but if you are alone this is great and near a lot of the lady bars. If you are with someone then .[/QUOTE]Any suggestion (on Boracay) on where to locate for someone who prefers to not be surrounded by droves of Koreans, a place ideally than doesn't let in families and throngs of their screaming kids.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1978985]Any suggestion (on Boracay) on where to locate for someone who prefers to not be surrounded by droves of Koreans, a place ideally than doesn't let in families and throngs of their screaming kids.[/QUOTE]My American friend Bill owns Casa Camilla, [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1095131.[/URL] Quiet and affordable apartments that include kitchens. Almost all the units are booked by long-term guests, but they keep a few reserved for short-term stays; I think the minimum is 6 days. It's near station 3. You may want to email them bill_lorna (at) yahoo (dot) com to find out what's available. Some of their long-term guests sublet their units when they go travelling for a while.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/CasaCamillaBoracayApartments/[/URL] for photos.

Disclaimer: I have no financial interest but the owner and his wife are long-time friends.

Wow thanks for the details. I was just there last month. Didn't realize there was P2P. Brought sand to the beach so this would not have been helpful, but I might of considered doing some scouting in the event my circumstances change in the future.

I can say there are a lot of Korean national tourists. A little to much in my opinion, but it's all good. Still had a great time, I plan on returning in a couple of weeks.

JR.

[QUOTE=Kataman;1978943]Boracay, PI.

Hotels:

Boracay Beach Club Good hotel but if you are alone this is great and near a lot of the lady bars. If you are with someone then stay at another hotel.

[URL]www.boracaybeachclub.com[/URL]

Shangri-La's Boracay Resort & Spa Nicest hotel on the island, away from town and quiet. I am a big fan of the Shangri La chain and if you stay here for sure before you arrive sign up online for their Golden Circle Club the perks are awesome.

[URL]www.shangri-la.com[/URL]

Monaco Suites de Boracay This is more a destination resort on the other side of the island, rooms are awesome and huge but again far from everything...[/QUOTE]

How much for a girl in Boracay?

Last time 8 years ago it was lame and just Korean prices. Betta take a lug with ya.

On Holland I can have a girl for 2000 p. Yeah just very short time so no fun. But anyhow in a poor country it should be better.

[QUOTE=JusRide;1979264]Wow thanks for the details. I was just there last month. Didn't realize there was P2P. Brought sand to the beach so this would not have been helpful, but I might of considered doing some scouting in the event my circumstances change in the future.

I can say there are a lot of Korean national tourists. A little to much in my opinion, but it's all good. Still had a great time, I plan on returning in a couple of weeks.

JR.[/QUOTE]

Posted in this thread because this happened outside Manila / Cebu / Davao. I typed this some months ago and saved it, then I think I forgot to post it. Apologize if I posted this preggers piece before (did a search, did not find it):

Related preggers story about one of the PG preggerz I've posted (I've been lucky enough to have had several pairs of different preggies). Brought in 2 gals from an outlying province. One of them, "X", was pregnant, "V" was not. Have had both girls independently previously (and you've seen them individually in the PG). Had never seen X drink alcohol before. We went out one night to several bars, had dinner, passed the microphone around to sing, watched live band. V and myself had beers, X had soft drinks. At the last place we visited I ordered an appetizer to go. We got back to the hotel and I tossed the appetizer into the fridge, thinking X would eat it in the night. In the fridge were the appetizer, a bottle of water, and a large unopened Red Horse beer. When I woke around 5:30 am the girls were snoozing away. I tossed on shorts and shirt to go out for a morning walk. I grabbed the bottled water from the fridge to take with me. I noticed that the food from last night was gone; the take-out cellophane was in the trash can. Probably X had eaten it in the night.

When I returned from my walk and entered the room, V was sleeping, and X was awake and naked, sitting cross-legged on the floor, with the Red Horse tipped up to her lips and drinking it down. The morning light was coming in the room, and you can't miss a naked girl on the floor, cross-legged, 8-9 months pregnant (silhouette looks a bit like somebody strapped a bowling ball on her tiny / skinny frame), tipping up a large bottle. She stopped for a moment when I came in, looked right at me, turned the bottle bottom-down (I could hear the carbonated fizzzzzzz), and belched. She turned it bottoms-up again and started to take long, slow, loud gulps. GULP. . . GULP. . . GULP. . . GULP. . . A whopping 20 seconds, until it was all gone, never breaking stride.

[I]Side note: Once again, you see odd things, routinely, in phils. If someone had told you previously that someday a young, naked, very pregnant girl would be on your floor downing beer at sunup, you would have said: "Nah, that's too strange". But remember where you are.[/I]

She put the bottle on top of the fridge and said: "I hungry". Then she belched again. So you drank the beer? "Yes. I hungry. Beer only thing in fridge". Did you eat the sisig? "Yes in the night. I was hungry that time also". You know you shouldn't drink alcohol while pregnant? "Oh? Really?" Criminy! There is a convenience store one block up, would you like to go get some noodles with me? "Yes"!

She dressed and we slipped out while V slept. It was about 6:15 am, and both vehicle and foot traffic (almost non-existant 15 minutes prior) had picked up on the sidewalks, folks going to school or work. We grabbed her some noodles and other items at the store (diaperz; she wanted diaperz for her youngest, she had to stand there and compare 2 different brands at the convenience store for a solid 5 minutes -- I hate it when women comparison shop) and were walking back to the hotel. We were just a few meters from the hotel door when suddenly she giggled and dropped the bag with the food on the sidewalk and started to laugh, fairly hard. "Haaaaaahahahaaaaa! Whaaa hahahahaha"! Whats up sweetie? "Oh sh*t I think that I am DRUNK! Hahahahaha". Cr*p, even pregnant she only weighs 100 lbs, and the Red Horse was kicking in. Locals and the hotel security guy stopped to stare. Yes, your thinking is spot on: When a gringo has a 20-YO pregnant beauty *drunk*, loud, and dropping things in the street at 6:15 am, that looks GREAT! Come on sweetie, letssssssssss get you inside the hotel.

The preggers thing. Really great. And scary. If you're lucky enough to be in a situation where a girl keeps coming back both during and between her pregnancies, you should be prepared for some occasional odd sh*t happening. Alternately: YMMV!

Peacock Garden is a splendid place to quietly enjoy yourself and your very special lady (or companion), "far from the madding crowd".

It's a private and elegant luxury resort, located in Baclayon (near Tagbilaran) atop a small mountain overlooking the sea. Set up by an illustrious German restaurateur from Manila, Peacock Garden is more like a large and sprawling chateau. Impressive grounds, especially at the large gated entrance, and, in the rear garden area, overlooking the sea below, a large and immaculate infinity pool which we had to ourselves.

Delightful breakfasts, homemade specialty ice cream, and tasty dinners at reasonable prices. Underground "wine cellar" area, next to a small private underground karaoke area (no sound leaking through to the ground floor). Outdoor recreation and game area, and small exercise room inside the spa building.

The main entry building, including small private bar and dining room, is full of memorabilia, decor, and furniture from old Heidelberg, particularly dueling sabers and Heidelberg University dueling club memorabilia. Also on display is a set of elegant vintage furniture reportedly used by Jose Rizal during his stay in Germany, with a certificate of authenticity.

Well-trained staff, quiet elegance, incomparable ambiance, and all at reasonable prices (off-season, under P7,000 per night all in, breakfast included). We stayed in a comfortable second floor deluxe sea view room, and enjoyed morning coffee on our balcony overlooking the rear garden, infinity pool, descending mountainside, and view of the ocean below.

Not for loud night life, this is a delightfully secluded and elegant spot for relaxed and quiet enjoyment of life, and recharging life's batteries.

OM.

Hi,

Anyone in Cebu or Bohol over this weekend or later, but before Feb end, please send me a PM. Looking to arrange a rendezvous.

Pradoe.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1987899]Peacock Garden is a splendid place to quietly enjoy yourself and your very special lady (or companion), "far from the madding crowd".

OM.[/QUOTE]Omega 3,

Have sent you a PM. Hoping you'd be able to respond.

Pradoe.

So, I've been chatting to a girl from Pina Love for the past few days, only a few messages a day. I mentioned I'd be passing through Cagayan de Oro on my way to Camiguin for a diving trip. She's asking if she can join me. She seems cute in her photos and I'd like to say yes come join me. But we haven't met so I don't really know what she's like in person or if she even looks like her pictures. And on top of that, as well as this being a diving holiday I'd like it to be a bit of a sex holiday too, and have no idea if she's going to put out or not.

This is the first time I've gone on a dating site and had someone seem keen to join me so I have no idea what to expect in reality.

What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers.

You better get her to clarify her expectations as well as making yours known to her ahead of meeting. If it all looks promising then go ahead and meet and spend a couple days and nights together in Cagayan de Oro before departing for Camiguin. If the meeting is not living up to either of your expectations take a call recalling you for work unexpectedly in Manila.

I have spent time on Camiguin Island with a Pinay from Cagayan de Oro and I was happy to have her along. It is very quiet there and from my point of view is a place to bring your own as the pickings will be very slim there.

Let us know how you make out.

[QUOTE=Pradoe;1990206]Omega 3,

Have sent you a PM. Hoping you'd be able to respond.

Pradoe.[/QUOTE]Thank you!

I'm new to forums (fora?) and the technical side is a learning process for me.

Signed up and paid in December, but didn't realize I had PM until just yesterday night, when finally noticed that several, including yours, had come in. Oops. Just call me technically challenged!

Would appreciate all bearing with me while I re-read the FAQ and figure things out and muddle my way through.

OM.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1990956]You better get her to clarify her expectations as well as making yours known to her ahead of meeting. SNIP
I have spent time on Camiguin Island with a Pinay from Cagayan de Oro and I was happy to have her along. It is very quiet there and from my point of view is a place to bring your own as the pickings will be very slim there.[/QUOTE]Amanut is right. You should clarify at least your nawty expectation. You don't want to get to Cumigan with her on your first night only to discover she is shocked when you try to kiss her. Flying thousands of miles for a cock-block ain't good.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1987899]Peacock Garden is a splendid place to quietly enjoy yourself and your very special lady (or companion), "far from the madding crowd".[/QUOTE]We found an oasis of this type on Biliran, just outside Naval. Its called Maylaka, hosted by a Flemishman. About the only clientele (to this point, as its kinda new) are foreigners back to visit their wife mates' home province.

I suggest that instead of going directly to Camiguin, you stop for an overnight in CDO and see if you and the lady hit it off. If you do, then you can take her with you from CDO to Camiguin, which is an interesting trip in itself and not at all dangerous. The diving off Camiguin is interesting; make sure you take at least one dive into the "forest" of black corals. It's a fairly shallow dive with some beautiful, and unusual coral formations. Camiguin itself is lovely but relatively boring. I suggest as well that you take a few meals at Casa Roca Inn, run by a Filipina-Canadian couple. It's good fun, and it's got the best food I've found on the island.

GE.

[QUOTE=StevieW;1990898]So, I've been chatting to a girl from Pina Love for the past few days, only a few messages a day. I mentioned I'd be passing through Cagayan de Oro on my way to Camiguin for a diving trip. She's asking if she can join me. She seems cute in her photos and I'd like to say yes come join me. But we haven't met so I don't really know what she's like in person or if she even looks like her pictures. And on top of that, as well as this being a diving holiday I'd like it to be a bit of a sex holiday too, and have no idea if she's going to put out or not.

This is the first time I've gone on a dating site and had someone seem keen to join me so I have no idea what to expect in reality.

What are your thoughts on this?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1991046]I suggest that instead of going directly to Camiguin, you stop for an overnight in CDO and see if you and the lady hit it off. If you do, then you can take her with you from CDO to Camiguin, which is an interesting trip in itself and not at all dangerous. The diving off Camiguin is interesting; make sure you take at least one dive into the "forest" of black corals. It's a fairly shallow dive with some beautiful, and unusual coral formations. Camiguin itself is lovely but relatively boring. I suggest as well that you take a few meals at Casa Roca Inn, run by a Filipina-Canadian couple. It's good fun, and it's got the best food I've found on the island.

GE.[/QUOTE]I will be arriving in Cdo around lunch time and heading to Camiguin the following day. My plans were to meet her for a late lunch and see how things go. If it doesn't work out then I take Amanut's suggestion of work emergency, and then maybe track down one of these girly bars I've read so much about, hope they're still there, and see if there's anyone I like to take with me.

I'll be sure to check out casa roca, thanks for recommendation.

[QUOTE=StevieW;1990898]I mentioned I'd be passing through Cagayan de Oro on my way to Camiguin for a diving trip. She's asking if she can join me...so I have no idea what to expect in reality.[/QUOTE]Camiguin is a nice island that gets a much better crowd of foreigners transiting and who are there long term - more Europeans and some (Italians) who have opened nice restaurants. Was there June 2016. About girl availability: brought my own and glad I did. Camiguin is pretty laid back. The route from CdeO to Balingoan ferry is entirely uninteresting the first half, after that less traffic but no more interesting. We did it in a private SUV.

[QUOTE=StevieW;1991259]I will be arriving in Cdo around lunch time and heading to Camiguin the following day. My plans were to meet her for a late lunch and see how things go. If it doesn't work out then I take Amanut's suggestion of work emergency, and then maybe track down one of these girly bars I've read so much about, hope they're still there, and see if there's anyone I like to take with me.

I'll be sure to check out casa roca, thanks for recommendation.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that the girl you are chatting with may well flame out at the last minute when she realizes that her big talk online may require her to follow through. Chat with several in case you need back ups. Don't waste your time going to the so called hot springs on Camiguin. They are now lukewarm springs.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1991503]Keep in mind that the girl you are chatting with may well flame out at the last minute when she realizes that her big talk online may require her to follow through. Chat with several in case you need back ups. [/QUOTE]Yes. Several years ago I wrote a report here about one of my first excursions to CDO. I went with a list of 19 girls, all of them similar to SW's girl: all had been on cam, all had agreed to a meet-and-fuck. I had 19 phone numbers in my phone. On day 1, I met with the first girl for coffee. She flamed out and went home. During our chat I realized that she was no longer willing, so I txt girl #2 to head to the coffee shop and meet me there. Eventually 9 or 10 girls flamed out on the first day. Several could not come for whatever reason, and the rest met me and then went home. All were simply to shy to be seen with a white man. It must have appeared to the coffee shop employees quite funny: A gringo meets with 15+ girls over 2 afternoons, only to watch them all go home. Initially I was angry. On day 2, the remaining 9-10 girls did the same thing. I flamed out 19 girls in 2 days. Anyone thinking he's going to the province and getting the hottie that he's chatting with (but never spent time with) is about half wrong. Pinay shyness is not only legendary, but very real. I had done this successfully previously in many places, and now suddenly in CDO this procedure was a complete fail.

Interestingly, almost every girl (while in the coffee shop) denied that she had previously agreed to go to my hotel. Later, I sent the girls the YM chat log, that went something like this: Me: Are you OK to me taking pictures during the sex? Girl: hehe ok I never to that before but we try it. Every single one of them later confessed that they had lied about going to the hotel in early chats, saying that they just wanted to meet their first white man. One girl in the coffee shop had brought a cousin, and the girl was so shy that she couldn't look at me. The cousin told me the girl had never seen a white man before, only on TV. The cousin (very hot) wanted the girl to go with me to earn the pesos, as the family needed the money badly. But the girl could not look at me; she continually looked at everything in the coffee shop but me.

SW you need to have a backup plan (or 19 of them).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1991613]Yes. Several years ago I wrote a report here about one of my first excursions to CDO. I went with a list of 19 girls, all of them similar to SW's girl: all had been on cam, all had agreed to a meet-and-fuck. I had 19 phone numbers in my phone.
SNIP
SW you need to have a backup plan (or 19 of them).[/QUOTE]I've probably already read that report. It was on DS's forum right? Man, that took me almost a month to read through the whole of the CDO thread, whilst making notes at the same time as well. Mind you it wasn't solid reading, it was only a few posts here and there in between breaks and lunch at work, and on the bus to and from work. Plan on checking out that restaurant La Vetta (or was it La Venetta) that you guys use to go on about, partly in memory of DS, and partly because you all recommended it.

Coming back to the PL girl, haven't heard back from her for a couple of days now. Well, I'll see what happens there and if she responds. Maybe it's the weekend now and she's just partying hard. Anyway, I've since had a few more responses, albeit on and off. No. 2 says she's a student and has exams coming up. She's off to Surigao on the day I arrive for a post exam trip with one of her friends, so I'm going to try and meet up with her when I get back from Camiguin. Talking with her on WhatsApp now. No. 3, well, she only caught my eye because she was wearing a wet-suit and she says she goes diving sometimes. Ever since I took up this sport, I've always wanted to date a fellow diver. But she says she lives in Misamis Occidental, and she doesn't appear to be online too frequently. I'm kinda hoping that this one will be up for the trip as well as up for the adult rated stuff. But don't worry, I'm not going to hold my breath just yet. And then No. 4, she seems to have been offline since giving me her phone number and hasn't responded to my WhatsApp messages yet. Only thing is, she's from Davao. And if the face to face doesn't work out, I'd kinda feel bad for dragging her over to CDO. But she does look really cute in her pictures! I know, these can sometimes be fake, but there's only one way to find out. That is, if she's not too shy to come to CDO.

If PL fails, then I guess I'll hit the bars and see what talent's available and who's willing to make my trip less lonely.

Haven't mentioned this before, but to Westie (sorry, I can't bring myself to calling you by your initials), GE, DS and all those others who posted great information on the CDO thread, thanks, and even though it might be a few years old, hopefully not too much has changed. Apart from the quality of the hotels.

CDO has changed a lot in the past few years. Sadly, La Vetta, my favorite restaurant, closed about two years ago. My hotel of choice, Pryce Plaza, with its large swimming pool and wonderful panoramic view, shut its doors at the end of 2016. A new shopping mall, Centrio, has opened downtown, with an attached upscale hotel. Another expensive hotel is close to Limketkai Mall. I suggest searching on DIA for candidates. Lots to choose from there. Just be aware that CDO isn't Cebu or Manila. Most girls will have never met a foreigner and are more likely to talk the talk, rather than do the walk. Shortlist ten and expect eight not to work out. Patience, realistic expectations, and research can bring rewards!

RockyHardy posted in mid January a comprehensive report on his 4-day stay in Boracay and posted it for some strange reason in the Manila Forum. I am now in Boracay and it took me yonks to refind his post. So I have copied it and reposted it here in this more appropriate Forum.

Now RockyHardy concentrated his report on his successful scoring from some of the local venues. I am not going to report on my success, because I took my own Filipina there for 4 days. But I did have opportunity when she wanted an early night to break out and have a look around. The problem I had with RockyHardy's report was: just where are these places?! So this posting puts some of his venues into context.

Three venues on the beachfront at Station 2 very near DMall are: Epic (at the beach entrance to DMall), and nearby to the south we have Coco Bar (alongside Red Coconut Beach Hotel) and Aplaya (up a little towards Station 3 and next to 7-11). Each is a bar-resto and after 10 to late a music / disco theme. A few free lancers (FLs) but mainly tourists.

By far the best place for FL filipina I found was at Cocomangas Shooters Bar. This is on the main road (more like a lane) behind the beach at Station 3, on the right-hand side. If you get to a strangely named restaurant called The Toilet then you have gone too far. Cocomangas had a nice intimate atmosphere and when I was there at 11 pm there would have been about 20 FLs, some really good lookers.

The newest, largest, and most glitzy disco nightclub is Galaxy. This is at the Station 1 end, but off the beach. There is free transport there from just outside and the right of the DMall entrance. It is all techno strobe lights and noise, just a bit much for me. At 200 p entrance it seemed to frighten away the local FLs. It was popular with the Korean crowd, which even at midnight was fairly light.

I will include a few photos of these locations.

KongKing.

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;1987115]
Whatever happens in Boracay, stays in Boracay

OK. Guys I know I am posting this in manila thread as Boracay thread is as good as nothing. So I want to let people know how much fun is Boracay.

Got a new phone and all ready to go Boracay (I kept my expectation minimum, 10 days in manila made me dry).

Took a flight to Calibo. Then 1.5 hours bus drive to jetty then 15 minutes ferry then 15 minutes tuk tuk to my hotel.

Reached around 11 in night. Took a shower and all ready to bang bang,.

Went to station 1 to have few beers as I was dried inside too. Then Coco on station 2, epic dance club, nirvana and almost 5-6 bars at station 1,2.

Now coco mangoes. OK coco mangoes is same set up like beach club just a little small.

All free lancers (I was late there. The right time to reach there is around 11 when its full of free lancers).

Two gals came and offered beer to them. Then they wanted to check out AREA 51 for full moon party.

Wow lot of kissing and fondling in the area 51 and the big question. Lets go. Now they have all the reasons not to go. OK common talk money rocky.

Offered them some monetary help. And both were fun to go.

A wholesome threesome in room. And paid them 4 K and bid a bye.

Day two was spent well in water activities. Paid some extra money to the guy on helmet diving spot and he was willing to join me to find a gal.

OK this time journey starts from COCO on station 2. Saw 4-5 gals drinking. Spoke to them offered some beers. Light jokes and popped the question. How much it cost if I need your company.

One gal with cute butts was like up to you. OK lets ditch the other gals. They wanted to check a newly opened club Galaxy. I took my gal to epic, it was like 300 peso with 2 free drinks.

Got her drunk. Took to my room a fuck for eternity. She did me like a tigress. Now we went back and join her friends in galaxy.

Guys if you go check galaxy. Its too big and I realized lot of free lancers were there. She introduced to few of her friends after few beers they all were good friends. We were there till 6 and then got her my place and again one more round of good boom boom. She wanted to go home. I asked how much I pay and she said no money, you already spent so much on drinks and food. (wow first Philippines saying no to money, anyhow forced her to take 2000 and she left happily).

Day 3.

Again some water fun and came back hotel and slept. Then while going from station 2 to 1, saw two gals also going same way. Same pick up line. I am new, would you tell me how to go. Long story short. They both were with me to coco mangoes then some gay club (APERA or something). Fuck those gals were sisters and offering drinks to every other guy. Rocky time to ditch them. Paid the bill till now and left. Back to coco mangoes. Met one busty lady with a cute gal both wanted 4 k for ST three some.

Get them back home and nice time.

Day 4 :

No plan to go anywhere so just slept entire day, in the night one tuk tuk guy took me to a place where all the gals were on rate list and mamas an was too pushy. Got a cute 23 YO and fucked her til my heart content and morning time to leave.

Sorry my whole intent was to let people know. Boracay is not as dry as people say. All we need a right eye, a right place.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

So, I'm now in Istanbul airport waiting in transit for my connecting flight to manila. I must say that the WiFi here is really shit. The list of access points advertise free WiFi, but then you need a Turkish number in order to receive a PIN code. Eventually did find somewhere where I could get a free access code without a Turk number, but man, that process is a pain in the arse. Next to Starbucks there's a machine where you can get this code from. Problems I had with this, the display on this machine was crap and you can hardly read the text. With the queue of people behind you they keep telling you to take a picture of the code. But with the dim display it's not easy taking a clear picture. Logging onto the access point. Well the signals good but when it takes you to the sign in page, constant errors. Took me about half an hour to finally sign in.

Anyway. A little update on my pina love activities. But being new to this method, it just seems so much hard work even with the few I have.

No. 1 just stopped communicating. So I can just scratch that.

No. 2, been chatting to her over whatsapp almost daily. She seems keen to meet up with me and join me for the mactan leg of my trip. When I mentioned to her that I'd be looking to have sex with her, her initial response was we should try to get to know each other first. Well honey, I do want some company on this trip, I'm only going to be here for a few weeks, and it's going to be a long time before I come back. Eventually she comes back saying OK. And she wouldn't mind getting pregnant! OK. Haven't quite decided where this is going to go yet.

No. 3, well you've all probably seen this before. We chat for almost a week on viber, and she says she's OK with having sex with me. And then she pops the question. Oh can you send me some money so I can load my phone so we can carry on chatting? Well, I ponder this for a while. Why not? It's a lot of money to her, but it's peanuts to me. Just out of interest, does anyone know how much it costs to load your phone for Internet usage for a month? Anyway, she seems grateful and we continue chatting for a few days. And then come more requests. My aunt is in jail, can you help her? I'm sick, can you help me buy some meds? I need to visit family in hospital. Well that was the end of that one then. Don't know if I should have guessed or not, but her chat was pretty much predictable. Same questions several times a day, every day. What are you doing? Have you eaten? What do you eat? Where are you now? Why don't you reply? If I'm being honest with myself, I don't think there was any chemistry there. I probably only put up with it because she looked fit and I thought we had a common interest. No, I hadn't done a video chat, so couldn't confirm she was the same person as in her pictures. On top of that turns out she's not really a diver; she's only dive a couple of discover scuba diving sessions.

No. 4. This one lives in Davao. She says she works as a nursing assistant. I only ever got to talk to her when she was at work. So basically quick night time chat as she's starting work and I'm off to bed, and a quick chat in the morning as she's finishing work and I'm on my way in to the office. After a few days she tells me this is because her pocket WiFi is broken. I was almost expecting her to ask for help with getting it replaced or fixed. But no, not a word. Just an explanation of why she couldn't message me from home. I have good chats with her, albeit not every day. I'll see how this one goes and maybe she might join me on my next trip.

Anyway, since the no. 3 fiasco, I went back to pl to look for a replacement. I actually got pinged by a girl. Have no idea why she chose to start talking to me. Look at her profile and she's from cavity province, just below manila. Well we got chatting. She knows that I'm after more than just company and she's OK with that. From the gist of the chats we have she seems genuinely intent on joining me for my trip. I've told her to meet me in manila with the promise of paying her back for her bus fare, which she borrowed from her mother. I'll just have to wait and see if she shows up at my hotel in manila or not now.

Well. I actually wrote this in Istanbul but I must have had a brain fart. Thought I'd changed my settings to Turkish time and that I still had an hour and a half for my flight. Go to check which gate I need and they're announcing last call. So never got round to sending this till I got to manila.

Will keep you posted on how things develop with cavite girl.

[QUOTE=StevieW;1996977]So, I'm now in Istanbul airport waiting in transit for my connecting flight to manila. I must say that the WiFi here is really shit. .[/QUOTE]Had to remark about this. Although I haven't been to that airport since last summer, the Turkish Air first class lounge at Istanbul Airport is the best in the world -- has everything. Its the one place, I never hesitate to layover, even a 10-hour wait, no problem. Don't you realize that even flying coach, they'll now let you in for a nominal fee?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1997127]Had to remark about this. Although I haven't been to that airport since last summer, the Turkish Air first class lounge at Istanbul Airport is the best in the world -- has everything. Its the one place, I never hesitate to layover, even a 10-hour wait, no problem. Don't you realize that even flying coach, they'll now let you in for a nominal fee?[/QUOTE]No. I didn't know that. But thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind next time I have a layover in Istanbul.

Cheers.

On the ground in Puerto Princesa – Not too much to report. At 3 am got a tricycle tour of places to find girls. There was incall looking place on the south side Pineda Road (just west of Puerto Princesa North Road) that are apparently open 24-7. Take out available, they looked unorganised and almost surprised to see someone requesting girls. Bailed, did not even get prices.

Also went by a KTV on the north side of Malvar Road and one on the south side (Bar 54 closed), very close to each other (also just west of Puerto Princesa North Road) that the driver said has girls. Was closed or closing, didn't enter.

Was walking along the north side of Rizal Ave, just east of Puerto Princesa North Road and there was SW's being offered. They weren't old, but didn't look that great. Didn't partake as I have brought my own sand to the beach for this portion of the trip.

My impression is that there is boundless opportunites here, no need to bring your own.

I appreciate your info on this as I am about to go down the same PL path. As I write, I do recall reports over the years that the method in general is a lot of work. Maybe it's better for expats who are there all the time.

[QUOTE=StevieW;1996977]
Anyway. A little update on my pina love activities. But being new to this method, it just seems so much hard work even with the few I have.
Will keep you posted on how things develop with cavite girl.[/QUOTE]

When I landed, was quoted 300 p for taxi to city center, 150 p for tricycle, but chose to follow the locals out to the far left of the parking lot where jeepneys waited, luggage and all. 15 pesos grand total. A friendly local told me where to get off and another friendly local was getting off at the same stop and actually walked with me to point out my hotel.

As usual, the opportunities are endless, just be friendly, walk around and don't be shy to open the conversation with anybody. I was friendly to the fruit sellers down by the boardwalk and more than one had a daughter or nieces nearby whom I met and have started friendships that will be followed up upon!!

These people are so kind and friendly and have suffered so much from the typhoons. They all regard themselves as 'survivors'. They all have people who have died, many never been found.

For readily available lays, I good place is the DJNO Music bar on P Gomez Street, right near the intersection of M. H. Del Pilar Street. There is a proper mamasan, but the barfine is stupid high at 2500. Some girls were fat and ugly, I talked to a couple cute ones, but they were not available for takeout, only lad drinks. I am sure others (cuties) would go out, but I didn't talk to them all. Great place for some relaxing downtime with the locals.

There is always street hookers on the corner of Salazar St and Zamora St. They are pretty rough, I didn't partake but what I did do is ask them where I can find a young girl – I mean, not 35 like they were.

She readily jumped into a tricycle and took me to a bar on Burgos St. Afterwards they told it was called Sofa Bar, but I cannot confirm it. There was super cute 19 yo spinner FL (no barfine) who agreed to come along for 1500ST. Check out her pics in photo gallery. Recently had a kid and was still lactating as a bonus. Damn she was hot. Gave the hooker 100 p for her help and the tricycle driver the same for his efforts. This girl raided the shampoo, soap and my coins from the table. She obviously has been having sex from a very young age, in fact she said her stepdad raped her at 10, but you cannot always believe the shit that comes out of these girls mouths.

Took a tricycle to the airport for 300 p early am. It is round trip for him with no return guest so I didn't give a damn.

[QUOTE=Free2;2001082]When I landed, was quoted 300 p for taxi to city center, 150 p for tricycle, but chose to follow the locals out to the far left of the parking lot where jeepneys waited, luggage and all. 15 pesos grand total. A friendly local told me where to get off and another friendly local was getting off at the same stop and actually walked with me to point out my hotel.

As usual, the opportunities are endless, just be friendly, walk around and don't be shy to open the conversation with anybody. I was friendly to the fruit sellers down by the boardwalk and more than one had a daughter or nieces nearby whom I met and have started friendships that will be followed up upon!!

These people are so kind and friendly and have suffered so much from the typhoons. They all regard themselves as 'survivors'. They all have people who have died, many never been found..[/QUOTE]Nice report.

I take the taxi from airport to downtown for 250-300. It is usually an 8 passenger van so I take fellow passengers for free and drop them off along the way. Great way to meet some people. One time we dropped a couple porters off as they had finished their shifts with my flight in.

[QUOTE=Free2;2001082]When I landed, was quoted 300 p for taxi to city center. *** As usual, the opportunities are endless, just be friendly, walk around and don't be shy to open the conversation with anybody. I was friendly to the fruit sellers down by the boardwalk and more than one had a daughter or nieces nearby whom I met and have started friendships that will be followed up upon!! *** She readily jumped into a tricycle and took me to a bar on Burgos St. Afterwards they told it was called Sofa Bar, but I cannot confirm it. There was super cute 19 yo spinner FL (no barfine) who agreed to come along for 1500ST. *** She obviously has been having sex from a very young age, in fact she said her stepdad raped her at 10, but you cannot always believe the shit that comes out of these girls mouths.[/QUOTE]F2,

Thanks for your informative post and very interesting update!

Pre-Yolanda, used to visit Tacloban quite often. At one point, taxis from airport had been upgraded to a small fleet of Toyota Avanzas, reportedly owned by M. L'Huillier.

Initially stayed at the historic Hotel Alejandro, with authentic World War II photos on the walls. Later would regularly stay at Pensione Rosvenil, and also at another friendly small wooden pensione located diagonally across Real St from Santo Nino, with a deep lot which backed onto the bay (could see the occasional plane landing and taking off) but which disappeared during Yolanda. At the time, a room in the mid-rise back annex at Rosvenil was under P1,000 per night.

Enjoyed my morning coffee and pastries at Panny's bakery, while leisurely reading the paper or surfing the internet. Sometimes, ate at Socsargen, right at Rosvenil, with tasty and inexpensive fresh seafood and plentiful and cold SM beer.

Used to be entertained by lovely lasses from Daram. Paid for their RT boat fare from Daram to Catbalogan, and Grand Tours van fare to Tacloban, plus modest tip upon departure.

Tons of good looking female college students, nurses (especially from Divine Word hospital across Avenida Veteranos from Giuseppe) and shop girls from Gaesano downtown. Never went to the disco at the Astrodome.

Then, Yolanda hit.

Post-Yolanda, with obvious economic pressures and the influx of well-paid foreign relief workers, local attitudes seemed to become more mercenary. Prices at Rosvenil more than doubled, and it was often fully booked. Two of the better restaurants, Giuseppe (owned by an amiable Italian American, Joe (forgot his last name) and his Filipina wife), and Ocho seafood, became much more crowded.

Post-Yolanda, stayed at the Go Hotel, adjacent to Robinson Mall. All the necessaries, but regimented, box-like rooms with no character and not friendly. Quite unlike the pensiones, which used to be full of character and characters and very tolerant.

Still miss the best food in town, at Murtha's (third floor dining room area of Jose Karlos coffee shop across from Santo Nino) where the lady owner of Jose Karlos, whose hobby was gourmet cooking, would prepare delicious and inexpensive gourmet meals on Friday evenings and weekends. Hopefully, someday, these delicious gourmet meals will resume.

OM.

I have been living in the Philippines for more than 6 years now and have travelled extensively through the Visayas and Mindanao. But one place that has escaped my attention is IloIlo. It is one of the ten largest cities in the Philippines but it seldom pops up here on ISG board. Even in the dating sites like Dateinasia the girls from Iloilo are in relatively low numbers. I know where I get my "Hi, how are you"s from, and it is not Iloilo!

I have just spent a few days there and as a city I was impressed. A good airport, a nice wide 2-3 laned highway to downtown. Many wide streets, even tree-lined and underground cabling. Nice parks, and river board walks. Iloilo is quite unlike most other Philippines cities where good strategic town planning decisions are a novelty, leaving cramped concrete downtown jungles.

Now if I was looking for a nice quiet monastic life, or living with my special one, then Iloilo might be the place. But I would not put it on the mongering highway. Most filipina in the Philippines are gwapa, and so too in Iloilo. But from just my impression they seemed a little stronger boned, less slim, than those in eastern Visayas and Mindanao. Now when walking the streets and malls of Cebu City, Davao, Cagayan de Oro and many other cities I can obtain a little eye contact and maybe extract a smile or two from passing Filipina; but not in Iloilo. The locals seemed to be very well focused, and knew exactly where they were going, and roving eye contact was not for them. In other words, just like most western world cities!

You won't find any extensive nightlife areas in Iloilo; it's a fairly conservative town. The main nightlife area is known as Smallville, and that word sums it up well. You will find a collection of bars, restaurants, coffee shops, ktvs and live bands, much of it open air locations. I was there a couple of nights, including a Saturday night and it was fairly quiet. Apparently somewhere in town there is a Hot Legs night club but passed on that.

There is a small gathering of foreigners at about 4 pm on the first and 3rd Wednesday of the month at Langford Place restaurant, near SM. A good place to get local information. The few guys I spoke to speak highly of their city. I stayed at Injap, in the Injap tower, apparently the tallest building in the Visayas, and located opposite SM, and a smooth, direct, 25 minute ride from the airport. Good service, breakfast on the 21st floor, and a wifi router in each room. Check Agod* for good deals; I got my room for less than 2000 p a night.

KongKing

I was recently in Sabang (Puerto Galera) and can relate my experience here for those who are interested.

I have been to the Philippines many times, so I have a fair amount of experience. Puerto Galera may not be the absolute best diving in the Philippines, but by far, it has the best combination of good diving with decent girlie-bar action. For those who don't know, although everyone refers to it as Puerto Galera, the diving and girlie action is centred in the little town of Sabang, which is about a 15 minute motor-bike ride (or short boat ride) from the town proper of Puerto Galera.

I had spent a few days diving somewhere else with my long term filipina GF. She went off to visit her home province which finally gave me a chance for some single-guy action!

I arrived on a Thursday afternoon to my resort on Big La Laguna beach and settled in. Big La Laguna is about a 10-15 minute walk from Sabang, where all the girlie bars are located. There are perhaps about 5 or 6 girlie bars in a small cluster in the "downtown" of Sabang. You can't miss them, they are in an alley just a block back from the pier. I prefer to stay in Small La Laguna or Big La Laguna to have a bit of distance form all the noise and commotion of Sabang.

On Thursday evening I walk over to Sabang to check out the bars. I knew from past experience that CoCo Lips is likely the best place. Broadway Disco / Hammerhead used to be good, but they have converted it into a Korean-style KTV place, so now it's kinda lame.

I pop into Coco Lips but it is still quiet at 7 pm, so I go over to the place next door called "What's Up". I have a drink. The mamasan presents to me this girl, I will call her Miss M. It's her first week in the bar, she is only 19 years old. She is cute so I buy her a drink. We have a few more drinks and have fun dancing and stuff. So I paid her barfine (3000 p, of which the girl gets half). We are both kind of drunk but I guess I don't realize just how drunk she is. In the bar, she had kept asking for more San Mig so I figured she was an experienced drinker.

As soon as we step out of the bar, she drags me into Coco Lips as we walk by because she wants another beer. OK fine. Then back to my place. But when it came time to boom-boom, it wasn't so good. Long story short, she did not allow me all the way in, so I could not finish. She complained she was hungry, so we walked back to Sabang and she gets some food from a street vendor. The plan was supposed to be to go back to my place so we can complete the transaction, but now she says let's go back to her place in PG town proper. She wants to do it there. Against my better judgement I said OK. So we hopped on a motorbike and took the 10-15 min ride into PG Town. The place where she has a room has this little very low-budget bar on the main floor, and a few guys that she knows are there. We sit down, chat a bit, they offer me a beer but I decline. Suddenly M gets up and runs to the sink and pukes up all the food she just ate. I'm just like rolling my eyeballs. The guys ask me how many drinks she had. She had 5 beers but I guess that's too much for her. They suggest 2 is her max. No doubt. The night is a write-off. I talk with M and we decide I will text her tomorrow, maybe we can get together in the afternoon and salvage something.

We did text the next day back and forth but I realize she is a flake so I don't bother wasting any more time with her.

So on Friday, I had a bit of a hangover, I don't feel like diving, so I just took it easy. After a nap Friday afternoon, I was ready to go out again. I by-passed "What's Up" and headed straight for the tried-and-true Coco Lips. Soon I spotted 2 girls that caught my fancy, so I motioned them over and bought them both ladies drinks. Miss J is 19, very new to the bar and a bit on the shy and quiet side. Miss see is 24 and is more experienced and outgoing. They are best friends and both from the same province. They are both sweet and I can't decide which to barfine. I asked Miss see if it's OK to shoot video, she says sure! So Miss see it is. I pay her barfine, take her back to my place, and we have very good boom-boom. She is very horny and cums twice very quickly while riding me. I did not get the first round on camera, but after a little rest, we go for round 2 and this time I have my camera rolling. Surprisingly I cum a second time quite easily. I thought at my age (late 40's) I was only a one shot per day guy. But she is cute and getting it all on video gets me more horny.

Afterwards we chat a bit, then sleep. Saturday morning, I get up at 7 am because I had made plans to dive and I need to get my dive gear set up. She doesn't want breakfast so I walk her to the motorbike parking spot in Big La Laguna and she hops on the back of a motorbike (50 p for ride into Sabang). We make plans to either see each other in the afternoon, or at night at the bar.

I'm done diving by noon, I text her and I suggest we spend the afternoon together and I will give her 2000 p, more if she allows video. She is totally game with that, so she comes over about 1:30 pm. We have fantastic boom-boom and I get the whole thing on video! Afternoon is much better for video quality because there is much more light. She climbs on top of me and cums 3 times in about 5 minutes! I am not kidding! I got the video to prove it! Miss see is the perfect chick for me. Petite, 4'11", 45 kg, very cute, horny and orgasmic.

We have a bit of a chat, and after a while I am ready for round 2. We have more boom boom but she is tired out, but I get some nice footage in mish and doggy position. I don't cum but that's OK, I am just happy to get some nice video for my "remembrance". I am so happy I give her 3000 p for her trouble. She is off at 4:30 because she has to get ready for work at 7 pm.

As an aside, I should also mention that I have found that Viagra works great for allowing multiple sessions per day. I usually take a quarter of a 50 MG pill (I. E. , 12.5 MG), or 1/8 of a 100 MG pill, and take it about an hour before the anticipated session (I bought a pill-cutter at a local pharmacy for cheap for cutting up the vitamin V). I find the peak effect is about an hour later, but it has a very good effect that lasts at least 8 hours, if not more. Basically it allow you to get wood much more easily, with much less stimulation, and much firmer, like an 18 year old. It doesn't make you cum though, so if you are drained from multiple sessions, it allow you to stay hard for a very long time until you are finally able to cum. The first time I tried it, I found the 50 MG was way too strong, I was worried my wood would not go down between sessions. The 12.5 MG is perfect for me.

So back to my story, Miss see leaves around 4:30 pm. I have a bit of a rest and head out to Coco Lips around 7:30 pm. Soon I am hanging out with J and see. I bought us a couple of rounds and we had fun just hanging out and dancing. I slipped the DJ a request list along with some pesos, so I can hear the music that I like.

Miss C and I are both feeling drained from our afternoon romp and we make jokes about it. I had told her that tomorrow afternoon would be Miss J's turn as I had promised her. (Although I knew that for sure she would not perform as well as C). But since J was young and relatively inexperienced I wanted to give her a try. I heard Miss see explain to Miss J in Tagalog (but I could sort of understand some of it) that I would pay 2000 p for boom boom and 3000 if video allowed. I had the impression that see was telling her I'm trustworthy.

Miss see said she wanted to come also in the afternoon because Miss J doesn't know the way to my hotel. I said, sure, the more the merrier! I told her I would buy her lunch and give her 500 p just for showing up, and 1000 p to hold the camera, haha! Well she took that seriously so now I'm thinking, hmmm, I would give them 2000 p each for a full on 3 some! 😜.

Around 10 pm, I was thinking of leaving the bar soon as I had a dive planned for the next morning. Around that time, suddenly the mamasan wants Miss see to go because some unseen customer wants to pay her barfine. Miss C doesn't seem to want to go. The mamasan asks me if it's OK if see leaves the bar, and explains that see does not want to disrespect me by leaving with another customer. I tell her it's up to her. I don't want to be the boss of Miss see. Apparently this customer, likely Korean, has the habit of bar-fining 4-5 girls at once for late night skinny dip. Apparently no boom-boom involved. Anyway I don't want to get in the way of see's earnings so it's up to her; and she leaves the bar. It's a bit sad to see her go.

I leave shortly after. Next morning, I go diving. By the time I'm done diving and rinsing my gear, it's about noon. Miss J has texted me that Miss see is not around, but J is still game to meet, but needs help finding my hotel. I suggest we can meet in Sabang at Big Apple (a popular restaurant / sports bar) at 1 pm. She asks if it's OK to bring a friend, I say sure!

We meet up and she has actually brought 2 friends. I am not annoyed because they don't eat much. One friend is not very cute, but the other, Miss K, is mildly attractive. J is very quiet and shy over lunch. She barely says a word. I joke that she has totally changed, last night she was much wilder, we were dirty dancing all night! K says that without alcohol, J is shy. K explains to me that J is shy to talk because she is not confident in her English-speaking abilities. I get the impression that J is quite new to the game, maybe has rarely if ever barfined, and seems to need a bit of support from her friends. For these province girls, you can sort of gauge the level of experience they have with foreigners by the quality of their English. Very limited English generally means: from the Province, not well educated, and minimal contact with Foreigner guys.

Anyway after lunch, J seems sufficiently at ease to go with me to my hotel and we say farewell to her two buddies.

We walk over to my room and settle in. I try to put her at ease with some small talk. I ask if it's OK to take some pics of her clothes-on and she won't even go for that. I have a big fancy camera and various lenses, as well as seem decent photography skills. Most chicks like the portrait-style photos I take because I will edit them and give them a copy; they generally like to use them for their Facebook.

Just to be clear, I tell her again 2000 p for boom-boom, or 3000 p for boom-boom plus video. She goes for option #1. OK, no worries, I'm not going to push it.

We shower and get down to business. This time I had remembered to take the vitamin V just before lunch so I will be able to screw like a rock-star despite the drained condition of my daddy-sack. I lick her pussy for a while and she enjoys it but doesn't cum. After that I lie on my back and it's her turn to reciprocate. She looks at my engorged condition and says "wow, that's big!" Man, I love Philippines! The sight of her giving me a BJ is so fantastic, I wish I could take a video. I do my best to engrave it in my memory.

After a few minutes of that, I put on a condom and invite her to hop on my disco stick. She is super tight and takes it like a champ. She rides me for a good long time. A few times she pauses and ask me if I'm done, and I say no, not yet! I love the vitamin V, it gives me so much control when I'm drained.

I then switch to mish and give her a good pounding. Then switch to doggie for a while. Fantastic view but Miss see was a bit better, haha! I feel like I'm getting close, so I switch back to letting her ride me. She again rides me for a good long time. I ask her if she can cum, and she shakes her head no. She needs more practice! She rides me harder and I cum very loudly. I have multiple aftershocks so it's very obvious that I'm done. We collapse in a sweaty heap and I joke with her that she doesn't need to ask if I'm done because with me it's usually very obvious.

I offer her some chocolate and candy. I take a quick rinse and we nap for an hour. Around 4:30 we get up and I walk her back to Sabang. The late-afternoon light is nice so I decide to bring my big fancy camera. As we round the bend to Small La Laguna I stop to take a few pics. She doesn't want to pose. Still too shy. An older French guy walks by and offers to take our picture. I say sure! So the French guy takes our pic. I bid her farewell in Sabang, and on the way back, I book myself a massage for 6 pm. There are a bunch of massage places near the girlie bars in Sabang. They quote me 550 p. I say OK. (I had a massage on Thursday, booked through the front desk of my hotel, and that was 500 p, but I am not going to quibble about 50 pesos). I go back to my room and try to catch up on emails and stuff. Massage girl shows up 12 minutes early. She was pretty good. I've had better but for 500 p or so you can't really go wrong.

I'm feeling quite tired and think about maybe turning in early, but I decide screw it, I'll head back to Coco Lips. I'm hoping I will see Miss see to arrange another afternoon romp. Or if see is not there, maybe arrange an afternoon session with another pretty thing.

I much prefer the afternoon session for several reasons. 1. Avoid the barfine; all the money goes to the girl. 2. Afternoon natural light so much better for video and pics. 3. Avoid the walk of shame. It's a bit embarrassing to walk out with a girl in the morning because all the dive guides are milling around the resort in the morning and they know me and smile and give me thumbs up, etc. 4. Sometimes after a night of drinking and dancing, I kinda just want to sleep!

So Sunday night, I walk in to Coco Lips, sit down and scan the crowd. It's still early and I am pretty much the only customer in the room. I don't see J right away but after a few minutes she pops out of nowhere with a warm greeting. I buy a round of Tanduay Ice for us (we both have same preferred beverage). Her two buddies show up in minutes and want ladies drinks too! I roll my eyes and say fine, but just one each! BTW, the ladies drinks are 250 pesos, Tanduay Ice is 120 p. I forget how much commission the girl gets from the ladies drink, I think it's around 100 p.

As an aside, I actually prefer rum and coke to Tanduay Ice, but I have learned the hard way not to order mixed drinks at girlie bars. The ice cubes could very well be tap water and I have gotten violently ill in the past a few times. So now I only order drinks that come in a bottle. I don't like beer very much, so Tanduay Ice it is.

So anyway, the not-so-pretty friend leaves after a while to go chat with some of the older guys (I guess her specialty is the older guys. I think the prettier ones can be more choosy about who they go with).

Tonight there are quite a few older guys. Some of them are really into dancing, they are doing an Austin Powers kind of dance so I surmise they are probably British.

I am a bit annoyed at the DJ because he's alternating a fast song with a slow love song, so it takes a while for him to play my requests. He does eventually play most but not all of them.

Miss K is still hanging around and wants to dirty dance with me. After about 4 Tanduay Ice, she is starting to look rather attractive! She is part of the dance rotation. There are about a dozen girls who take turns doing two dances each. Most girls dance to one fast song and one slow song, I guess that's why the DJ keeps playing slow songs. The girls that take part in the onstage dance rotation get paid a little extra. Miss J is shy and is not part of the onstage dance rotation (at least, not yet).

Miss K puts on a nice dance performance so I reward her with another ladies's drink. I have J to my left and K to my right. I have one hand on each thigh. Heaven! K encourages me to grab her boobs and butt and I'm happy to oblige. She has a great body. Face is starting to look good, too but I guess tat is the effect of the Tanduay Ice goggles.

At one point J says something to K. Miss K asks me if I could understand what she said. I say no. Miss J is embarrassed and is trying to stop K from telling me what her little secret is. So I go over to K and she says "J says you are very good at eating pussy!" Hehehe, that's nice.

I am wondering where Miss see is through all this. Out on a barfine no doubt. Around 10 pm she texts me that she is sorry that she is not there but she is stuck at Red Sun (a Korean Resort) for the night. She asks if she can see me tomorrow afternoon, and I reply yes! In my mind it's "Fuck yes!"

By around 11 pm we are good and liquored up and are having a lot of fun dancing. Miss J is a bit tired but K is there to back her up. On the better songs we are dirty dancing on the floor with J in front of me and K grinding me from the back. We are having a ball. The two older English guys are doing their Austin Powers thing together and several others are dancing too. I notice that some of the guys (with only one chick) are looking at me seemingly impressed that I have two girls grinding on me!

I am having so much fun I decide to skip diving for the next day and stay longer at the bar. After the DJ is done my requests he plays some other good tunes like CCR, as well as some other English New Wave stuff that maybe those British guys requested. Then he gets into somewhat cheesy Filipino-style party music like YMCA and Rivers of Babylon. Finally around 1:30 am I leave.

To be continued!

[QUOTE=IgoforAsian;2006375]I was recently in Sabang (Puerto Galera) and can relate my experience here for those who are interested.
Puerto Galera may not be the absolute best diving in the Philippines, but by far, it has the best combination of good diving with decent girlie-bar action. For those who don't know, although everyone refers to it as Puerto Galera, the diving and girlie action is centred in the little town of Sabang, which is about a 15 minute motor-bike ride (or short boat ride) from the town proper of Puerto Galera
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To be continued![/QUOTE]Very much enjoyed the read as Sabang is a favorite for the dive and chick combo. Fwiw, I could dive Verdi Island multiple times, Canyons on that list as well. The girls and their experiences differ widely and screening is at least important as anywhere. I always stay in Sabang. There are quiet hotels on the north east end (near Tina's) that work well for me, IMHO, extremely convenient. Roll out of bed into a dive shop, five minutes to nightclubs.

Excellent post! I love Sabang, but haven't been there for a long time. Last time I was there, the barfine was still 2 k, with 1 k going to the girl. I met my first Filipina GF on the floating bar out in the bay over ten years ago. Don't know if it's there anymore, but she's happily ensconced with her asawa and baby.

Thanks Achmmc and Rubio for your positive feedback. I hope there are few others out there who are enjoying my little story.

I had some barfines that were great, and some barfines were busts. I thought I should present them all so people can learn from both the successes and failures.

The spellchecker here changed Miss see (as in the letter C) to Miss C. Sorry for the confusion.

So here is part 2:

I was supposed to meet Miss C Monday afternoon, but I sent her a few texts and she did not respond. Oh well, I suppose she must still be busy with the Korean. In hindsight, perhaps I should have paid her barfine on Saturday night. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush. Now I am seeing the literal truth behind that proverb! She is such a fine catch I should have just hung onto her for the rest of the week. But I do like the variety! Decisions, decisions!

So I decide to just take it easy in the afternoon. I'm kind of tired from partying late the previous night at the bar, so I take a power nap in the afternoon and wake up around 4:30 pm feeling much better.

About an hour later, Miss C starts texting me. She says she is very sorry she couldn't meet me in the afternoon but wants to meet me next day. She says her body is sore from swimming and going on rides. We exchange several lovey-dovey texts. I ask if she can meet me tonight but she says no, tomorrow afternoon. OK, she is worth the wait.

So now it's Monday evening. So far the day has been boring, no diving and no boom-boom yet. I could perhaps use more rest, but I'm feeling refreshed from my nap so I decide to hit Coco Lips yet again. It will be interesting to see who is there. Maybe I will barfine if the mood is right, or maybe I'll save my diminishing reserves of sperm for Miss see the next day.

So I show up at Coco Lips, and the waitresses and mamasans and papasans greet me like the regular I have become. There are about 15-20 girls in the place, perhaps only about half compared to the night previous. At first there are very few customers.

I recognize many of the girls from the previous nights, but no Miss J, Miss C or Miss K. It must be their night off. I guess Mondays are not so busy.

After I order a drink, Mamasan presents to me one of the cuter girls, Miss X. I remember seeing her last night. Tonight, she is one of the few girls in the bar that meet my standards for looks, so I buy her a ladies' drink.

We have a couple of drinks and I give the DJ some requests. Since the night is slow, I chat with the DJ for a while. He says until 10 pm, he has to alternate 1 slow with 1 fast song.

I go back and sit down next to Miss X. I observe a few times a Korean will walk in, Papasan will present to her a chick, he will inspect her like a piece of meat for a few seconds, then shake his head no and walk out. In my opinion, this is demeaning. At least have the decency to sit down and buy her a drink or something.

So I chat a bit with Miss X. She is 21, mother of a 1 year old. She remembers me dancing with 2 girls last night. She is nice but I am not getting any significant good vibes from her. No matter, I am just happy to have some drinks and watch the girls dance. By around 9 pm, I start feeling kinda horny, and there are no other cute girls in the bar. So I decide to ask Miss X if it's ok to take pictures if I pay her barfine. If she says no, I won't bother. She says yes without hesitation so I pay the 3000 p barfine and we walk to my hotel.

My hotel has armed security at night (So I guess I'm safe! Overnight guests have to register in a logbook. The logbook has several columns, I. E, "Name", "Bar", "Room number". I am thinking, hmm, Miss see signed this register just two nights ago. So I glance at the register, and sure enough, Miss X is filling out her name just below Miss X, with the same bar name and same room number! Oops!

As we walk up to my room, Miss X mutters Miss see's name and I laugh. Busted! Haha! I did not come here to practice monogamy!

So Miss X and I settle into my room. She hits the shower and I brush my teeth. When she is done, I take a shower.

She is lying on the bed naked so I hop in to enjoy her body. She has nice big boobs. She is a bit chubby but still sexy. She does have stretch marks but that doesn't bother me. As I kiss her fine breasts, I notice her breath is rank. Even though I am not planning any kissing tonight, I am not keen for her to suck my dick with that breath. So I get up, pour myself a capful of mouthwash and then give her some also. I guess I'm a stickler for good oral hygiene!

So we get down to business again and I head south to her pussy. At least her pussy smells and tastes good, better than her mouth! She is not particularly responsive, no big "O" or anything, so after a while I roll on my back and grab my camera. She gives me a very mediocre blowjob. Luckily the vitamin V has me rock-hard despite the fact her BJ is actually uncomfortable. After a couple minutes of that, I give her a condom and ask her to put it on. I keep my camera rolling.

She then climbs on and gives me a good pounding. I don't cum because of the frequent sex I've been having the past few days. After a while I give it to her in mish, but it's hard to hold my fairly big camera and pound her without getting a bit tired. Haha! Maybe next time I will try my compact camera and see how it compares for low-light sex video! Hehe!

She sort of oohs and aaahs a bit but she doesn't seem to be that into it. She is kind of lame but at least she is letting me shoot video. I roll her over into doggy but she is dry so I have stop and put on some lube. I pound her in doggy for a while but I can't come. It would be easier if I wasn't holding the camera but even though the sex is perfunctory, I still want to get it on video.

I roll her back into mish and pound away again and after a few minutes I feel like I'm starting to get there. So I pound harder and finally cum. As soon as I'm done she quickly disengages and hops in the shower. Yikes, so much for pillow talk. This gal is low on the GFE scale.

Although she was kind of lame, I say to myself, at least I have video. My only regret is I've used my precious cum reserves on someone who is not really that worthy.

She quickly gets dressed and wants to go. Maybe I should be pissed that she is a "runner", but I'm actually fine with her leaving because she is lame and I want a good night of sleep. I have a busy day planned for tomorrow with diving in the morning and Miss C in the afternoon. I just hope my daddy-sack will be sufficiently recharged for Miss C, hahaha!

If I had wanted her to stay the night, I would have specified that with her before taking her out of the bar, but I didn't (on purpose). I also did not specify how much tip I would give her for photos / video. I was prepared to tip her 1000 p, but because of her lackluster performance and now hasty exit, I downgrade that to 500 p and she seems fine with that. She stayed barely an hour. No worries, that gives me time to get my videos safely downloaded onto an encrypted memory stick and get my dive stuff ready for tomorrow.

Tuesday morning, I go for a couple of dives. When I get back, Miss see has texted me saying she is ready to meet anytime, so I quickly rinse my gear and shower.

So I meet up with Miss C. She greets me with a big smile and a kiss and is looking fine as ever, even better than I recall. We head over to a little restaurant near my hotel and have lunch. She is being very lovey-dovey and not shy to show PDA. I tell her I regret letting her go on Saturday night. I should have realized she was special and hung on to her. I tell her now I won't let her go! She laughs and seems to enjoy that. I ask her about the Korean thing. She tells me 6 Korean guys hired 16 girls for 2 days of partying. They hired jet skis and did a bunch of rides and activities at White Beach. That's why she was so tired out yesterday. Apparently no boom-boom, at least for her and the other girls in her room (her room was 4 girls only). Crazy Koreans! They seem to care more about the image of being seeing with an attractive woman or frolicking with a bunch of cuties rather than the actual boom-boom! But no matter, more pussy for us white guys!

So we finish lunch and head back to my room. Another amazing boom-boom session. I snack on her delicious pussy for a while and she enjoys it but she can't seem to cum that way and is soon begging for my dick. I lay back and she gives me a bit of a BJ but I'm already rock hard thanks to some pharmaceutical enhancement (12.5 MG of vitamin V, only 1/8 of a 100 MG tablet). She is amazed at my size I love Philippines! I give her a condom and let her put it on while I grab my camera. She is so keen for my dick she is already riding me by the time I can get my camera rolling. As she inserts, she again exclaims "so big!" I love this chick! I sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Within a minute or two, she cums very intensely! She collapses on me and catches her breath. After a minute, she sits back up, smiles, and says "one more", and within a minute or two she is having another intense "O". Wow! I am so happy to capture this beautiful moment of female ecstasy on video. Memories to last forever.

After she is tuckered out in cowgirl, I switch her to mish and get some more nice video. After that we switch to doggie for my grand finale.

Afterwards we have more nice chat. I tell her again she is truly special and I want to hang on to her this time! She laughs and says "special for boom-boom only?" Oops, she's got me there! In my mind, I'm thinking, can she cook to? Then she would be perfect!

To be continued.

I've got five full days (from MNL) in May and am wondering whether that's enough time to visit Palawan. A SW (met in HK) has offered to serve as a tour guide, which would be a plus because she claims to know the place, which looks like an amazing. Besides advice on whether my schedule would permit it, I've got another critical Q: Should any personal drama erupt with the girl, is there much in the way of opportunity to acquire our favorite services? Obviously, I know it's not AC, but I'd rather not be left stranded. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Hmmm. I'm having problem getting into my previous post to edit, and to follow up, the location more specifically would probably be Puerto Princesa, Palawan. I think the underground river and diving make it the more appealing spot for touristing, unless someone here has better intel. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=WildHawk;2014703]I've got five full days (from MNL) in May and am wondering whether that's enough time to visit Palawan. A SW (met in HK) has offered to serve as a tour guide, which would be a plus because she claims to know the place, which looks like an amazing. there much in the way of opportunity to acquire our favorite services? Obviously, I know it's not AC, but I'd rather not be left stranded. Any advice is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]"Never go on trips with anyone you do not love."-Ernest Hemingway (from A Moveable Feast).

Palawan for 5 days a long time. Long, hard minivan ride from P. P. To el Nido, which is a dump of a town, infested by Israelis with their atrocious, rip-off restaurants. The underground cave tour is nothing special and can include hours of waiting for your 15 minutes inside the thing. The island hopping trip around el Nido was no better than others we've done elsewhere. For girls: bring your own: one who's never been there; you don't need a tour guide.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2014819]"Never go on trips with anyone you do not love."-Ernest Hemingway (from A Moveable Feast).

Palawan for 5 days a long time. Long, hard minivan ride from P. P. To el Nido, which is a dump of a town, infested by Israelis with their atrocious, rip-off restaurants. The underground cave tour is nothing special and can include hours of waiting for your 15 minutes inside the thing. The island hopping trip around el Nido was no better than others we've done elsewhere. For girls: bring your own: one who's never been there; you don't need a tour guide.[/QUOTE]Good to know, all around. Drama, as it turns out, has erupted online with the intended target. I believe she is fighting with another of her tricks on FB. Better him than me! Right now my debate is whether to continue with plans (Kunming, China to Manila via Guangzhou -- 9 hours of flying plus the airport time) and stick with Manila (Burgos, Makati whatever) and a few days in AC. Or back to Pattaya (two hour flight to BKK), where the action is always guaranteed. Thai vs. Phils looks are a wash to me, but I do like the possibility of girls speaking English. Choices, choices. Thanks again.

My info is dated but I found there is plenty of available opportunities in Puerto Princessa. Once you get out of PP you will find nothing with the possible exception of Coron (El Nido) where the ISG forum reports that there are limited resources. In PP, I found a trike driver who got me started. He showed me the barracks where some bargirls lived. I gave him 200 p for the info. From that start, I figured out the general availability of the girls. On the main drag leaving the airport, I found an expat bar and the guys in there further informed me. In PP, they had these sex outlets called "Sing-a-longs" which are primitive karaokes. Girls are available for takeout. On the road out of town to the north, I found two bars, their name escapes me, and girls were there as well. One side street somewhere had a string of bars like Blow Road which had slim pickings. If I remember correctly, the Hotel Asia had a disco which I was told gets buzzing late in the evening. I have no patience for that so the info is not tested. The local downtown park, is the name Rizal Park? Has FL's walking about. Then at one end of the park is a dance hall or two which has girls. Some are available as well. As always weekends will be busier than weekdays. I did a lot of fucking in PP. It was unexpectedly expensive. When I went the prices for girls were comparable to Manila.

I did the underground river which is a haul out of PP. I spent time in Port Barton which is really pretty. The jeep takes at least 5 hours. It is an awful drive. Talk to the jeep driver in advance and pay an extra 100 pesos or so to reserve a front seat in the cab. That will make the ride more bearable.

Once visited Brooke's Point, about 4 hours by van south of Puerto Princesa. Reserved two first row seats in the van, just behind the driver. Like my space. BP is out in the boonies. Best resto in town was a little Vietnamese place. Simple "hot springs" resort up in the hills, good for day trip. Nothing fancy. Inexpensive lodgings in town, no running hot water. Plenty of unspoiled province girls, but very shy. A few foreigners retired there. Land very cheap. Conservative place. Did not go back.

OM.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2014849]My info is dated but I found there is plenty of available opportunities in Puerto Princessa...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel, Pompetus, and for your very reasonable comments on the Filipinas advice board (and much more kindly put than the other reply). Advice I have well taken. Indeed, it is the very same WG who has been X'ed out of my life. Who needs the fucking drama? Life is too short. Shit, at the end of it all, it might just be Patts instead of the Phils. Prolly better to not have their little phinglish-speaking ways working their devilish charm on me. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2014819]Palawan for 5 days a long time. Long, hard minivan ride from P. P. To el Nido, which is a dump of a town, infested by Israelis with their atrocious, rip-off restaurants. The underground cave tour is nothing special and can include hours of waiting for your 15 minutes inside the thing. The island hopping trip around el Nido was no better than others we've done elsewhere. For girls: bring your own: one who's never been there; you don't need a tour guide.[/QUOTE]I disagree wholeheartedly with this opinion of PP. I was there (PP only) in February for 4 days which was about perfect. I cannot say about El Nido, but if you use PP as your base, 4-5 days is perfect. Underground cave is a must see and takes a full day all around. Rent a motorcycle and explore areas on your own. Go far and wide. As another poster just said, there is LOTS of opportunities in PP for our hobby, you will have no problem finding them. The only difference is they don't just fall in your lap like they do in Manlia or AC.

I got back from Philippines just over a month ago, so apologies for not updating sooner.

Overall, my plans didn't entirely go according to plan. Came down with a cold that lasted the while trip and longer the day after I landed, ended up in Davao instead of Cebu (more on that later), and diving wasn't up to scratch for one reason or another.

So last time, I mentioned that my PL girl did turn up to meet me at the hotel in Manila. When we got up to the room, we both took a shower. Separately. After that we're sitting on the couch and it took a little coaxing to get down to business. Started off with some light FK and moving on towards some heavy DFK. She then goes on to give me a BBBJ and without even asking she mixes this in with a lot of BLS, which I like. All this time, she is still wearing her towel, but with a few tugs, I manage to get this off and out of the way. She proceeds to move onto my cock and starts riding me whilst I'm sucking and licking on her tits in between some DFK. We change positions a few times, doggy, reverse cowgirl and finally finishing in mish. After a while of just lying there and getting my breath back, I head for the shower, and this time she joins me, and we end up cleaning each other off.

Next day, we head off to Cagayan de Oro. Once at the hotel room she practically jumps on top of me and is ripping my shorts off. More BBBJ and another heavy session of sex. Only second day with me and she has become a lot less shy than when we first met outside the hotel in Manila, she's even so relaxed that she's walking around the room naked without a second thought.

Day 3 things starts to go downhill a bit. On the way to Camiguin I start getting a headache and I feel a cold starting to come on. About 5 hours later we arrive at the resort and I have a stonking headache. One of the resort staff was kind enough to run down to one of these kiosks run out of someone's home (sorry can't remember the name of those places) and got some paracetamol for me. Took the pills and headed off to bed. I told my girl to go to the bar and have a drink and enjoy herself, but she insisted on staying with me in the room. She woke me up a while later suggesting we go to dinner. Man, I'd been totally out of it. I'd slept for almost 4 hours.

Over the next few days, she saw to my morning glory when we woke up. Depending on what we got up to during the day, we sometimes had an afternoon about and usually a session in the evening. There was one night she got into a strop; turns out she couldn't take a joke. We'de gone out for dinner and drinks with one of the dive instructors at the resort and his Filipino GF. Everyone had had quite a lot to drink, and at one point my girl is saying that she's going to go back with the instructor and I can have his GF. So as a joke I say sure we can do that, I'm bored of you anyway. At the end of the night, back at our room, she's gone off to bed crying. When I ask her what's up, she says that I said she was boring and that I wanted to be with the other girl. Jeez! Well, apart from that one little hiccup, had a pretty good time. Overall good sex, even in the shower. Not done that before. Closest to that I've ever had was a BBBJ from a WG in Singapore whilst showering together.

After Camiguin, we head back to Cagayan and I send her off in a taxi to the airport for her to head home. I had one day in Cagayan and still had this stonking cold which had gotten worse over the days. I'd arranged to meet another one of the PL girls for breakfast; this one was the one claiming to be a student. She turns up at my hotel still wearing her student ID badge, apparently she had an early class. We go off for breakfast at the hotel and then head back to my room. I try the trick of showing her some photos and then trying it on. Got shot down. Tried several times and was getting nowhere. In the end, she says she has to leave for a friend's birthday at the waterfalls. I only manage to get a kiss from her as she's leaving. So maybe that tactic works for some people, but didn't work for me, or at least with this girl. There was another PL girl I'd been chatting to over whatsapp and we were trying to arrange to meet up over coffee after she finished work. At one point she asked if she could bring her friend, and when I told her that I'd prefer if she came alone I didn't hear back from her till the evening when she messaged saying she wasn't feeling too well and was going to go home instead. In the evening I tried looking for some of the bars that had previously been mentioned like New Oro Love, Fantastic, Cora's, Syrens, Bada Bing and a whole lot more. Looked around from Mabini to Plaza Divisoria, and from Burgos to Corales. Could not find any one of the old places mentioned. A lot of massage places around, and judging from the prices you should get at least a happy ending. There was a bar on Cruz Taal near Burgos but I can't remember the name of the place. Wasn't much, had about 6 or so girls working there. They'd take it in turns dancing on stage, all the time looking miserable and not really any good lookers. The place had about twelve to fifteen local guys at any one time, mostly old guys. I just had one drink and then left. Couldn't really handle much more wandering around as the cold was taking its toll, so I just went straight back to the hotel.

Next day I'm heading off to Davao. Report to follow.

Planning during my stay in the Phils I'd go to baguio city by the bus, since it's a 6 hours drive I'm thinking I'd travel by the plane to boracay, the thing is that I couldn't find a way to do so, not sure how to book flights from Baguio. Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=ElNice;2034687]Planning during my stay in the Phils I'd go to baguio city by the bus, since it's a 6 hours drive I'm thinking I'd travel by the plane to boracay, the thing is that I couldn't find a way to do so, not sure how to book flights from Baguio. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Last time I was in and went to Baguio I took a plane from Terminal 4 and flew to San Fernando then got a mate to pick me up.

On the way back to Manila the weather was bad, the plane did not come and it was 9 hrs (not 6 as Cubao on a Friday night was 2 hrs of hell) bus. Make sure you have plenty of reading, listening and a cutie with you.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2034760]Last time I was in and went to Baguio I took a plane from Terminal 4 and flew to San Fernando then got a mate to pick me up.

On the way back to Manila the weather was bad, the plane did not come and it was 9 hrs (not 6 as Cubao on a Friday night was 2 hrs of hell) bus. Make sure you have plenty of reading, listening and a cutie with you.[/QUOTE]Salamat po, after I've thought about it, I changed my mind, it's a lot of hassle I'll waste a lot of time on the road for nothing. I'll try a different city that has a working airport!. I don't like going by the bus and spending a lot of time on the road. Last year I went from kalibu to boracay by the bus and it was hell, even though it was a 1 h:30 drive, but still.

[QUOTE=ElNice;2034687]Planning during my stay in the Phils I'd go to baguio city by the bus, since it's a 6 hours drive I'm thinking I'd travel by the plane to boracay, the thing is that I couldn't find a way to do so, not sure how to book flights from Baguio. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you consider breaking this arduous 6 hours with are&are stopover in AC? Find a girl in AC and take her along for the ride.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2034908]Wouldn't you consider breaking this arduous 6 hours with are&are stopover in AC? Find a girl in AC and take her along for the ride.[/QUOTE]That's actually not a bad idea, but still I have to think about it. Thanks man.

So you want to bang bang Sabang!

Just back from Sabang, near Puerto Galera, Island of Mindoro. Had a nice time but unless diving the place can become very same ol' same ol' very quickly. Thus the writing of this TR.

The good thing about Sabang is that everything is very close, a matter of fact, due to boredom and for research purposes I walked from furthest point south to furthest point north and that took 24 minutes. At any given time you are 7- 10 minutes away from where you need to go: both a blessing and soon I found out an issue. Also not much to do during the day after diving, island hopping, snorkelling, a few day trips, an adventure park and a golf course. My thinking 7 to 10 days is enough.

Generally speaking accommodation is ok if you stay at the best places, food is surprisingly good if you eat at once again the recommended places and mongering is ample. There is a strong Asian presence here, especially Korean, and there "mongering habits" are refined down to an art form so if you want the pick of the crop you have to play the same game as them (more about that later).

So let's get the basics out the way first and the stuff you really want to know about (the girls) later.

Where and how to get there?

Fly into Manilla then get bus (286 peso) to Batangas Pier. (best option leave from Jam Buendia Bus Terminus, Pasay- close to airport) or Private Van form hotel to Batangas Pier (3,000 – 3,500 peso). Roughly 2 – 3 HR trip depend on traffic.

At Batangas Pier (not Batangas Bus Terminal) let official porters grab you and escort you to ticket counter. Ignore scammers who suggest private banca (boat) to wherever. At Minolo Shiping Lines or Father & Son Lines counter buy ticket (230 peso boat ticket plus environmental fee 50 peso + terminal fee 30 peso) Have small notes as when reach Sabang also fee there too for something about 50 peso again) Before you go check Father & Son website for departure times but realize these are variable. Get there 10/11 sure to be in Sabang by 1 ish. Banca boat takes 45 minutes to 1 hour to go across Verde Passage.

Options of private banca boat or seaplane too. Can go via White Beach, Muelle Pier etc.

Coming back repeat – Can get van from Batangas Pier to airport 3,200 peso. BUT last banca at 2 pm.

So you're on banca boat going to the island of Mindoro and land at Sabang.

Sabang is smaller port to Puerto Galera. Most people (Asians & other) come here to dive. If you don't dive that's ok but as I said life can get pretty boring during the day. (opinion).

Accommodation – lots to choose from – wide range of budget to ok. Best I found Mermaid Hotel, Montani Resort, El Galleon Resort but do your homework. Use booking sites or book direct. High season would book before, low season lots of choice but found walk ins were not cheaper than on line by a great deal. Opinion – stay a little out of the village – south near Tina's place is quiet yet close enough (everywhere is close enough).

Basic Sabang Village and surrounding area layout (notice I said village not town) –Sabang is made up of 3 small bays. The main village is where the boats come in from Batangas. Walking north you have Small La Laguna Bay and Big La Laguna Bay – like I said 24 minutes south to north along foreshore. If you start at furthest point south (Tina's Place) 5 min walk to main village – 13 min walk to Small La Laguna and 24 min walk to Big La Laguna so if you are in the middle approx. 12 min walk to anywhere. So just walk everywhere in and around Sabang.

Transport (if you need to go PG / White Beach etc): Motor Bike Hire or Taxi, Jeapney (20 peso to PG) Trike (300 peso most places) A / see van. Didn't use. Roads are pretty bad so if hire motorbike up to you. At night = crazy!

Food. Many choices- food suprisingly good.

Best. Mermaid Hotel, Big Apple, Pa Pa Fred's Steakhouse (expensive) Western dishes, Korean, Pizza & Pasta, Ice Cream place just opened up. Meals Breakfast 300- 400 peso, lunch 400/500 peso (bar meals) Dinner 500- 700 peso + Got a steak meal at Big Apple for 550 peso.

Cheap Filipina food available too at canteens / outlets. Coffee is crap, bread is crispy roll type, do the old order and see what comes and decide do you like the Filipino version of that food then reject or order in future. BUT. Meals sometimes take ages to come out. Waited 45 minutes once. Standard wait time minimum of 25 minutes.

More to follow.

Ok I'll get to the good stuff soon but bear with me.

When to go. Best time Dec / Jan they tell me. Been there in March = hot, Been there in June / July = bloody hot esp 10 am to 4 pm. During Monsoon season sometimes afternoon or night storms. I was worried about Typhoon but even if it strikes Sabang is quite protected and buildings solid. Only problem " could be " crossing Verde passage in rough weather. Check weather reports 2 days before leaving Sabang. I wouldn't let possible Typhoon put you off low season visitation. Hot weather between 10 and 4 does put you off doing anything else besides in front of air con drinking but depends how you handle the heat.

Crime, safety, scams. Found Sabang, White Beach, PG very safe. Amazed at how people left things around and no stealing took place. (but don't get lax) OBVIOUSLY with everything = KNOW PRICES before you go. Good idea to find a vendor and befriend them and let them do the legwork for you re prices for boats, transport, tours etc. Use hotel staff to recommend prices too. Generally found low scam level. Porters at piers can be pushy. Be prepared to give a firm NO. Everybody else "offers" their services and accepts no ok. Girl scams later. Safe at night, Tourist police are there too on most nights middle of Sabang Village.

Other. Doctor, dentist, Pharmacy on Island, ATM at top of main road out of Sabang near Jack Daniels Hotel (maybe 8 min walk from Sabang Pier) - ATM can go off line, only spits out 10,000 peso so plan. I found bring US dollars / Aust dollars best. 3 Money Changes in main street. Reliable.

When not mongering what to do: SCUBA (of course), snorkeling. All 3 bays but Big La Laguna is best, lay on beach. Only sand section is at Big La Laguna (beach approx 300 m X 10 m wide), Island hoping (boat 1500 peso for 3 hours), day trip to White Beach, Day trip to Tamara Falls (3,500 peso).

Massage 400/500 peso (proper), foot scrub, etc There is an adventure park but didn't go, and a golf course didn't go.

Ok lets get to it: the bars, the girls:

My overall impression of Sabang is nice place to visit once or twice, plenty of supply (on any given night 250 girls to choose from), many 6, 7 and 8's, very few 9 & 10's and these are quickly whisked away by Koreans especially.

I have spent all together 5 wks here at various times and without sounding racially biased and discriminatory but it would appear that Asians and especially Koreans have "tainted" the market and girls performances are not what I would call GFE most of the time.

The usual night scenario is this (and this is what you are competing against) The Asian "sharks" watch the girls walk to the bars at 5:30/6 pm. (some even meet the boats coming in to get the fresh meat) After picking out their chosen target they follow them to the bars and barfine them ASAP. They take them to a restaurant and let them splurge on whatever food and alcohol they want and sit there like King Sh*t mostly ignoring the girls drinking and eating food. After this back to hotel room where the famous 333 happens, they fall asleep, wake up in morning buy them breakfast, tip them high and let them toddle off home.

Now if you're a bar girl, its bloody easy money. Good food, 3 min sex with 3 inch cock, guaranteed 3000 peso with probable 1000 peso tip too. Little effort = big reward. For Asians most girls tell me all they have to do is lay there.

Along comes Australian, American or European and bargirls say WTF I have to work because we won't put up with a starfish and you know which is easier option.

I was interviewing one bargirl at Quantum one night who was giving me a list of what she doesn't do or doesn't like. Now I'm no kinky sex freak but come on honey its a service based industry.

So unfortunately I found on the whole the service was very average as girls have gotten used to servicing sections of the worlds population who have too much money and at home have too little sex. I think you get my drift of what I think of "them" and what they are doing to the market.

Prices: all bars 1500 barfine and 1500 to girl (don't give Mamasan the 3000 straight up) There is no ST & LT- 3000 usually means till next morning. I tip 500 -1000 depend on performance (up to you).

Not many freelancers around but they go for 1000 - 1500. Scattering of ladyboys if that's your thing.

Depending on which bar girls get " pap smeared" every month or 15 weeks. (make of that what you will). The bargirls knowledge of STD and even girls issues is very limited. Generally speaking their knowledge of everything in the world is very limited.

Mamasans and Papasans can be very mean to the girls. Girls live in communal houses or out the back of the bar. What surprised me is that even 10 pesos is a big deal for most girls.

Ok that's enough for now. Detailed report on bars and girls coming next.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2060366]The Asian "sharks" watch the girls walk to the bars at 5:30/6 pm. (some even meet the boats coming in to get the fresh meat) After picking out their chosen target they follow them to the bars and barfine them ASAP. They take them to a restaurant and let them splurge on whatever food and alcohol they want and sit there like King Sh*t mostly ignoring the girls drinking and eating food. After this back to hotel room where the famous 333 happens, they fall asleep, wake up in morning buy them breakfast, tip them high and let them toddle off.[/QUOTE]It's their idea of a date.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2060366]My overall impression of Sabang is nice place to visit once or twice, plenty of supply (on any given night 250 girls to choose from), many 6, 7 and 8's, very few 9 & 10's and these are quickly whisked away by Koreans especially.

I have spent all together 5 wks here at various times and without sounding racially biased and discriminatory but it would appear that Asians and especially Koreans have "tainted" the market and girls performances are not what I would call GFE most of the time.

The usual night scenario is this (and this is what you are competing against) The Asian "sharks" watch the girls walk to the bars at 5:30/6 pm. (some even meet the boats coming in to get the fresh meat) After picking out their chosen target they follow them to the bars and barfine them ASAP. They take them to a restaurant and let them splurge on whatever food and alcohol they want and sit there like King Sh*t mostly ignoring the girls drinking and eating food. After this back to hotel room where the famous 333 happens, they fall asleep, wake up in morning buy them breakfast, tip them high and let them toddle off home.

Now if you're a bar girl, its bloody easy money. Good food, 3 min sex with 3 inch cock, guaranteed 3000 peso with probable 1000 peso tip too. Little effort = big reward. For Asians most girls tell me all they have to do is lay there.

Along comes Australian, American or European and bargirls say WTF I have to work because we won't put up with a starfish and you know which is easier option.[/QUOTE]Well, we can't blame the girls. They are just applying the capitalist business practice of progressively giving less service for higher prices. It is not much different from domestic airlines in the USA. On domestic flights, the airlines took away free meals, then free checked bags were the next to go. After that they started charging higher prices for seats in exit rows and some even came up with the idea to create basic economy class that prevents the use of the overhead bins. These were things that were once included at no additional charge in a standard economy ticket.

The girls will naturally go for the least demanding customers that pay more and don't give them nosebleed by requiring them to hold stimulating conversations in English. The Asians are generally smaller, younger, and weigh a whole lot less. They don't pound the girls for hours with a swollen Viagra dick that needs additional rounds at odd hours of the night to go limp. The girls also get to drink liquor and eat solid meals at restaurants they would otherwise not be able to afford. Then they get a nice quick rooting and blissful night of sleep in a proper bed. Morning brings a good breakfast and a fat tip. They win and then win again.

Since Westerners can't make themselves smaller, the only other options are: Go for the ugly girls willing to provide GFE; offer to pay more than the Asians for the hottest girls arriving at the docks; cum once in missionary within 3 minutes and let the girls sleep all night without follow-up rounds; or bring your own GFE provider from elsewhere. Ironically, there would not be so many Koreans there with large sums of excess cash were it not for the Americans subsidizing South Korea's defense. If American troops were to leave South Korea, more Koreans would have to take their place and pay more in taxes to maintain a larger deterrent to the hungry North Koreans staring across the border.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2060586]Well, we can't blame the girls. They are just ..........................................[/QUOTE]Your post is definitely an ROD. Well done. For the first time we have someone comprehensively outlining the pertinent reasons why Koreans are so popular.

Work less for the same or more pay. Who wouldn't be in that!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2060586] Ironically, there would not be so many Koreans there with large sums of excess cash were it not for the Americans subsidizing South Korea's defense. If American troops were to leave South Korea, more Koreans would have to take their place and pay more in taxes to maintain a larger deterrent to the hungry North Koreans staring across the border.[/QUOTE]Finally someone nails it.

America is certainly to blame for ruining SEA's mongering scenes in more ways than one. All the American mongers should stop paying taxes if they really want to stop this madness.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2060586]The girls will naturally go for the least demanding customers that pay more and don't give them nosebleed by requiring them to hold stimulating conversations in English. The Asians are generally smaller, younger, and weigh a whole lot less. They don't pound the girls for hours with a swollen Viagra dick that needs additional rounds at odd hours of the night to go limp.[/QUOTE]This is funny. Someone just made a post on one of the Bangkok forums, saying the exact opposite. That poster asserted that the Farang monger in Thailand get worse service and lesser quality girls than their Asian counterparts in Jakarta and HK, who are much more demanding punters. So, the Asians are less demanding? Or more demanding?

This comes at a time when I have realized that you will not get many clear answers here, because people will always post their opinions (which are often based on uniformed speculation) that contradict each other. Opinions are being presented as fact. No wonder people get confused when they read this stuff. I know I have been.

The best way to figure out what is the truth is to go find out yourself. And don't be surprised if what you find is completely different from what you have read. If a destination is especially popular, and is always under discussion on these forums, the more likely it seems that you will deal with contradictory statements, and get a very unclear picture. It is not such a problem with less reviewed destinations like Berlin or Boca Chica (I won't say less popular, as those destinations cater to a non-English speaking contingent). The most adventurous Anglophones tend to give more objective TR when the destination is off the beaten path. It seems the less said, the better.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2060790]This is funny. Someone just made a post on one of the Bangkok forums, saying the exact opposite. That poster asserted that the Farang monger in Thailand get worse service and lesser quality girls than their Asian counterparts in Jakarta and HK, who are much more demanding punters. So, the Asians are less demanding? Or more demanding?

This comes at a time when I have realized that you will not get many clear answers here, because people will always post their opinions (which are often based on uniformed speculation) that contradict each other. Opinions are being presented as fact. No wonder people get confused when they read this stuff. I know I have been.

The best way to figure out what is the truth is to go find out yourself. And don't be surprised if what you find is completely different from what you have read. If a destination is especially popular, and is always under discussion on these forums, the more likely it seems that you will deal with contradictory statements, and get a very unclear picture. It is not such a problem with less reviewed destinations like Berlin or Boca Chica (I won't say less popular, as those destinations cater to a non-English speaking contingent). The most adventurous Anglophones tend to give more objective TR when the destination is off the beaten path. It seems the less said, the better.[/QUOTE]This is the Philippines forum. The venue being discussed is Sabang, Mindoro Island, Philippines. The original poster made it quite clear that the Asians in question are Koreans. So, it is funny that someone came to the forum to discuss what some other poster allegedly said on the Thailand forum about the service farang customers get as compared to the service Asian (Indonesian and Chinese?) mongers get in Jakarta and Hong Kong.

It takes a pretty confused contrarian to get four different countries and several nationalities mixed up in the wrong forum discussing the mongering scene in a particular small tourist town. The end result was nothing but confusion and self-contradiction. So, just to clarify to anyone wondering which forum they are on, this is Other Areas in the Philippines forum and the recent posts are in regards to Sabang.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2061117]This is the Philippines forum. The venue being discussed is Sabang, Mindoro Island, Philippines. The original poster made it quite clear that the Asians in question are Koreans. So, it is funny that someone came to the forum to discuss what some other poster allegedly said on the Thailand forum about the service farang customers get as compared to the service Asian (Indonesian and Chinese?) mongers get in Jakarta and Hong Kong.

It takes a pretty confused contrarian to get four different countries and several nationalities mixed up in the wrong forum discussing the mongering scene in a particular small tourist town. The end result was nothing but confusion and self-contradiction. So, just to clarify to anyone wondering which forum they are on, this is Other Areas in the Philippines forum and the recent posts are in regards to Sabang.[/QUOTE]No confusion on my part, at all. It just seems to me that certain people (yourself included) are making generalizations about Asians in general, on no factual basis. And one thing I learned in my 35+ years of international travel in 20+ nations is that generalizations about any nationality are always wrong. That came to my attention in my young adulthood, when I encountered the negative generalizations that people overseas have about Americans. And I realized that Americans are just as bad when it comes to making or believing absurd generalizations.

In any case, my point still stands. You can see the same thing on the threads of the Latin American forums. Completely contradictory opinions. Someone will tell you that Dominicans offer better service than Colombians, after someone else has just asserted that Colombians give better service. Its a problem all across this site, including the SE Asian threads. And its in every monger's better interest to be aware of that, and take everything with a big grain of salt. If the "original poster" can't handle another monger's POV, then I think we can assume that "he" is not being very subjective in his opinions.

So you want to bang bang in Sabang Part 3. The bars- An overview.

Ok lets get to the bars & girls.

In an effort to give an overall snapshot of your typical night in Sabang I took it upon myself to do the arduous task of visiting every bar on a single night. Some I stayed 5 minutes, some could have stayed all night, funny thing is that night I went home unattached – was I overstimulated?

So this was a Friday night late June, low season Sabang.

First stop Midnight. WTF bar closed? Apparently found out later at Quantum bar was closed due to no DJ. Seriously can't anybody change the music and say "and now please welcome to the stage the lovely.. " Anyway the girls toddled up the lane to Quantum, but I had been here before so. Friendly bar, not pushy with drinks or BF, mamasans helpful, facilities modern and clean, air con good, got to visit restrooms when you are here (you'll see why). No pool table, just main bar area. Girls 7 to 9 range. Mixture of size and shapes but mainly skinny Filipina stereotypes here. On any given night 30 +. Always at least 1 dancer onstage and every so often they do a catwalk parade of most girls so good to gauge talent or get a full body view. Girls are fun and has a good feel to it – laid back – BF once from here – standard performance from her. No strong Asian bias. Equal 2nd best bar here IMO.

Off to Sabang Village- ok first of Korean / Asian bars and boy do you feel it when you walk in. Bar was very crowded when I entered, very smoky and you know when the guys walk in to the western saloon and the music stops playing. That's what it felt like. Ok I'll just sit for a while and go. Asked me for a drink I said no thanks wasn't staying long – they were ok with that. Bar facilities very old and dated. Air con was struggling. 2 girls on stage dancing. Girls 6-8 ish – thought a little substandard compared to Midnight. A friend of mine got a rejected BF from here once and even a girl rejected a lady drink once. That was enough for me. So the message was fairly clear – if you ain't Asian best to go somewhere else. Stayed 8 minutes maybe – been here before got the hint.

Across the lane to Sabang Village – the bar with the most girls. As soon as I walked in grabbed by the girls. Another Korean / Asian centred bar but feels more welcoming and friendly. Got massaged and accosted by 2 more and after rejecting them sat down to peruse the scene. Bar was full – maybe 50 + girls, 3 dancing, lots of sizes and shapes here, range 5 to 8's, beauties go early though, multiple mamasans – has to be the bar where you should be able to find what you're after. All sizes and shapes but beware of girls with non-show midriffs – the baby scars that lie underneath can be ugly. Tried to find a quiet corner to observe but got hassled by 1 waitress. Girls friendly here and good fun. Aircon ok but struggles with big crowds, bar and facilities need an upgrade. BF ¾ times from here and performance range from standard to WTF (more later). Probably the wildest bar in Sabang. Due to lots of girls competition is high so maybe some reductions may be on offer?

Ok time to move on. New bar. Whats Up. – walked in and you know you get that "morgue" type feeling. A few girls looked up, most kept on staring at their bloody phones. 1 girl dancing, no friendly welcoming smiles. New facilities but no atmosphere. Air con strong. 10 – 15 girls, range 6-8, no stunners, think they are trying to market themselves as an upmarket bar, some girls in evening dress but ho hum.. Boring.

Hammerhead.. Well what do you say. If you want a place to hang out with lots of room and play some pool (2 tables) this is the place. If you want quality girls keep walkin. Without being too rude this is the lower end. Girls range from 4 – 6 although I did see a 9 in here once who I couldn't keep my eyes off. 20 – 25 girls. Plenty of places to take a girl and do some intimate appraisals with. General feel of place friendly and welcoming. No Asian bias. A matter of fact several girls said No Asians please! Facilities old and need repair. Toilets – yuk!! Mamasans friendly and not pushy. I think they know they are down market so whatever they can get is better than nothing – maybe discounts from here can be negotiated. At least 1 girl on stage at all times. Waitresses very friendly and attentive but these are good girls so sadly no BF. Upstairs if you are inclined karaoke. Now if you want to spend your time watching and listening to drunken Asian men sing out of tune Korean love songs then good luck to you. I suggested to one of them to do Gangnum Style but got an unimpressed look – tough!! Lasted 8 minutes once with a BF from here once which was 7 minutes too long. BF girls from here gave pretty good performance but you have to reduce attractiveness rating so up to you. Found a sweet nice girl who after one night became my friend but after one night that was enough.

Ok push on. Off to the CoCo.now CoCo Lips was interesting. In my earlier passing's I stuck my head in and the notorious "best bar in Sabang" was dead. Huh? I thought – what's going on. Went past 3 /4 times and same. Was it bargirl holiday? New owners? But to my pleasure on this night it resumed its standing. (almost). First thing you notice is that girls are more womanly than other skinny stereotypical Filipina bar girls. About 20 – 30 girls. Yes some stunners. Bar girls had a much less "skanky " feel and look to them. Range 6 to 9. Very friendly and inviting. No Asian bias. Air con strong, facilities good, 1 girl dancing on stage. Dancers seem more motivated more gyration less shuffle. Met my no1. Girl here. Unfortunately 4 days before I went home. Why. Oh God. Why! Now have seen this bar pumping before. Fun place – small but good vibe. Performance from girls here range from standard to (my no 1.) "if you were at home (and I wasn't married) I would possibly think of a longer term commitment" Equal 2nd best bar in Sabang IMO.

And the winner is. Up the stairs. Newest bar = Quantum. Now the guy who designed this bar knows his shit. The first thing you notice as you walk in is the uniform the girls wear. Short tartan skirt, white top, high heels = schoolgirl fantasy. OMG. Bar is very well set out into 4 main sections – bar and stage area. Set back area away from stage with booths for lounging and viewing stage. Another room / area towards the back of the bar good for interviewing or getting away from the duff duff duff of the music. And an upstairs mezzanine area whereby you can look down from above to see the stage and goings on. They also serve food here too. Always at least 1 girl on stage. Girls are friendly but not pushy. Prob 30 – 40 = girls here. Quality 7 – 9 . Performance was disappointing from here but. Mamasans not pushy. Had a ladyboy here too if that rocks your boat. She was the best dancer. Air con strong. No Asian bias. Had most BF from here. Type of bar you could hang out for a long time in. If it had a pool table it would be better. Overall best bar in Sabang IMO.

Now also everynight at Big Apple scattering of freelancers ready to negotiate take out fee. And as I wandered not many but some freelancers just hangin around. Plus once again if you are inclined 3-6 ladyboys ready to offer their services.

So there you have it.. Research over and I was in Quantum my last stop interviewing this cute 20 year old, big tits, great tight body. But she was telling me all the things she didn't do. I thought WTF it's a service based industry honey. Was tired from diving and dragging myself from bar to bar so opted to go home unaccompanied.. Was I over stimulated?

Specific Individual BF to follow.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;2060721]Finally someone nails it.

America is certainly to blame for ruining SEA's mongering scenes in more ways than one. All the American mongers should stop paying taxes if they really want to stop this madness.[/QUOTE]LOL. This might hurt the patriots, but let us name one thing America has done right. Meddling in international politics is a pastime for the American Government. It is good business for the Defence lobbyists though.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2061957] Americans are just as bad when it comes to making or believing absurd generalizations. [/QUOTE]And while we are on the topic of absurd generalizations. . . . .

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2062124]LOL. This might hurt the patriots, but let us name one thing America has done right. Meddling in international politics is a pastime for the American Government. It is good business for the Defence lobbyists though.[/QUOTE]It seems to be good business for everyone who's assets and resources are in USA Dollars. As long as ours are, let America continue to do right by our money. Why don't you trade yours (whichever is your native currency) into php and see how long your pastime popularity with the pinays lasts.

Thanks New Image I really enjoyed your report. I will definitely visit Sabang and Puerto Galera sometime soon!

[QUOTE=NewImage;2062094]So you want to bang bang in Sabang Part 3. The bars- An overview.

Ok lets get to the bars & girls.

In an effort to give an overall snapshot of your typical night in Sabang I took it upon myself to do the arduous task of visiting every bar on a single night. Some I stayed 5 minutes, some could have stayed all night, funny thing is that night I went home unattached was I overstimulated?

So this was a Friday night late June, low season Sabang.

First stop Midnight. WTF bar closed? Apparently found out later at Quantum bar was closed due to no DJ. Seriously can't anybody change the music and say "and now please welcome to the stage the lovely.. " Anyway the girls toddled up the lane to Quantum, but I had been here before so. Friendly bar, not pushy with drinks or BF, mamasans helpful, facilities modern and clean, air con good, got to visit restrooms when you are here (you'll see why). No pool table, just main bar area. Girls 7 to 9 range. Mixture of size and shapes but mainly skinny Filipina stereotypes here. On any given night 30 +. Always at least 1 dancer onstage and every so often they do a catwalk parade of most girls so good to gauge talent or get a full body view. Girls are fun and has a good feel to it laid back BF once from here standard performance from her. No strong Asian bias. Equal 2nd best bar here IMO..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewImage;2059905]So you want to bang bang Sabang![/QUOTE]Really appreciate your outstanding reports mate. Actually thinking about going there. Unless your next report about the bar fines is an anticlimax, LOL!

So you want to bang bang Sabang part 4. – My experiences / observations.

Ok specifics – now firstly putting it into perspective. Now what rocks your boat may not satisfy all of us. I prefer (and don't judge me) a "woman" not a girl who can converse, who doesn't smoke and who knows the difference between "fucking" and what some may call " love making". Now I said don't judge me and I know most men are satisfied with a young, cute, Filipina hottie but for me I need more. My main criticism of the girls in Sabang whether by either their lack of knowledge or by what "certain races "are satisfied with is their performance in bed is poor. Now I probably had 15 or so BF from various bars here and only 2 I would rate above a 7 for performance. Note to girls playing with my nipple for 10 minutes does not equal foreplay.

Here we go.

Flew into Manila. Off to EDSA.. Great selection here. Easily 3 or 4 per bar I could BF. Cotton Club once again best selection. Cotton club some super horny girls here. Besides that Bullets and Rockets good selection. BF = 2000 bar / 3000 girl (but mine gave me a discount of 2500).

Name: Gwen 34 (looked 25), from Bullets and Rockets, body 7, face 8, performance 6 (pretty standard), BBBJ, FJ, DFK, WIR: nah Cost: 4500.

At Sabang:

Rozelda (24) Sabang Disco, Body 8, face 8, a cup breasts, Perf 7 ish, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, 2 pops, WIR: yeah, Costs: 1500 BF, 1500 + tip 500 = 3500.

Tin Tin (25) Midnight Disco, Body 9, face 9, be cup breasts, I pop, DFK sort off, not enthusiastic, BBBJ, FJ, lack lustre performance, told to go at 11 (got home at 9:30) Perf: 4 Cost: 1500 BF1500 girl = 3000.

Alyssa (20) Sabang Disco, Body 6, Face 8, cute. Performance: -2 yep that reads minus 2, you know how we say starfish this was more of a dead fish, trouble is for some reason I paid 3000 up front at club – won't do that ever again. Did the WTF x 3 times but no improvement in performance. Was not so much pissed off but frustrated and wondering exactly why are you in Sabang? Probably a player but as I told her be careful, not every customer is going to accept your "no play" rule. Went back to bar next night (couldn't be bothered that night) and complained to mamasan –response – " don't know that girl?, she wasn't in the club that night, mamasan did nothing, wasn't concerned, a few nights later found her in sabang Disco, dragged her to mamasan, yes dragged and mamasan still wasn't interested – so guess what – FO Sabang Disco, taking my business other places.

Now I'll call these my Quantum girls, Ivy, Mia, Eva, Carrie plus 2/3 others whose names escape me. Thought surely with best bar in Sabang surely performance might match quality. Alas – yes Ivy looked stunning body 9, face 9, personality 8, dressed in schoolgirl out fit with high heels and long legs a dream to behold but performance consisted of play with nipple, pull dick, suck dick, get on top, pound for a while, a few put on "oh" "ahs" and then maybe her fake cum or me try hard to get one pop out. Sorry no second round.

Now as I said I BF best lookers, most horny looker, most playful and quiet shy girls (maybe assuming I could get them going) but performance was all the same. SOP virtually every time. Was convinced that many thought all they had to do was a few strokes, a few pecks, grab your dick and finish inside. Now (without sounding too cocky) I am pretty sure I have the skills to make the juices flow but you reckon I could get these girls going. So after about 10 ish BF I was getting pretty pissed – I thought to myself what's the go here?

So off to Hammerhead – now remember quality is pretty low here but nice girls. An Indian looking girl chose me so I thought ok lets run with it. Lets call her Sue honestly can't remember (21) single mum. Body – looked 7 in dress, 5 out of dress, face 7, chubby but not overly gross, breasts see cup, very willing, first real GFE of trip, Performance 8 she tried hard, think she wasn't BF much so she wanted to keep me. Cost: 1500/1500. WIR: well I did (but shouldn't).

Sue (2nd time about 3 nights later) This time there was the second night syndrome. Why I BF her- don't really know, maybe hoping for better but this night there was this smell. Errrr sorry time for you to go. After that we were friends and would play pool and she was always keen but she knew round 3 would never happen again.

Was in CoCo lips saw cute Indonesian looking young girl, very innocent looking, big brown eyes, thought to myself I could teach her a few tricks. She jumped at the chance. Straight away all over me. Things were looking up. Name of Sam. Paid BF 1500 to Papasan. She got a pretty intensive briefing before back to hotel by Papasan I thought aha newbie. My eagerness and horniness were increasing. Back to hotel. DUD! Same old play with nipple, same old sort of DFK, same old grab dick and furiously pump away, same ol, same ol. Paid her 1500 –off you go. Despite trying to do some coaching they just had no idea.

So I was honestly lying there thinking do I want to BF ever again here? Is this what Sabang had to offer me? Oh how I yearned for my Beach Club & Thai Club Viets who gave me a GFE on many a night and loved me in the morning.

Then you know when you are at your lowest point suddenly hope appears.

I was sitting in CoCo Lips one night and I noticed a "woman". Not a girl but a woman with curves, long brown hair that would look great messed up lying on a bed, a look on her face like "bimbo I am not", attractive and sort of sexy. She saw me and you know that look when 2 people meet and their definitely was chemistry. Now I know you are getting all mushy inside (ha ha not-thinking who is this wanker) but we spent 2 hrs together talking, laughing, discussing. In between she danced. She was the best dancer, she was the most watched dancer. She was the type of woman that when she danced most men watched stroking their chins thinking in their minds – this girl has got something. Now that night I didn't BF her, gave her 500 peso went home alone. She was ok with that.

Next night I came back to BF her. She was with another client. As soon as I walked in our eyes met, we both knew what we wanted but she was with someone else. She briefly left her client and came over, nothing needed to be said. I sat and wondered what she would do. After an hour and a half I BF another and went home, she smiled and I left. Suffice to say performance was SOP again. Sad.

So you know what happened next night- yep back – when I came in she was free – she ran and I mean ran and then the rest is history. Now I'll cut this "holiday romance "short here because I know I am making you sick but it was 3 days before I was going home that I met her. Next 3 days inseparable, when I came into the bar at night it was a fait accompli. Other people – girls, papasans, and waitresses knew. So sorry no names.. If you go to CoCo Lips you will know which one. If you do and I'm sure some will, I'm happy for her and not jealous of you because I always knew that it would never work so don't try and kid myself it had any chance.

So that's my report on the girls – sorry to say give me Viets in Malaysia anytime. Don't think the bargirls in Sabang are my cup of tea but maybe they are yours. Just my opinion..

Lastly just to reaffirm prices -.

All bars 1500 BF then usual will be 1500 to girl. Tips are optional but generally 500 is enough. Girls appreciate some food before they go home too so factor this in but not essential.

Money to the girl can be negotiated. Have heard of 1000 to girl but seeing performance may be affected up to you.

Also have heard of meeting girls after bars close so no BF but sleep calls me so never explored negotiation and after bars close options.

A few FL available usually 1000 to 1500 but sure this could easily be 500 - 1000. FL are pretty desperate. Once again never explored this option.

If it is your thing ladyboys are available from free "I just give you massage" to up to 1000. One begged me for 30 minutes to just come home and talk. Funny girl. Err. Boy. Was never going to happen.

Ok a few bits and pieces in bang, bang sabang Part 5.

Just thought I would throw out this little tidbit to you snorkelers and divers. I was in the province visiting a girls family. The family lives off of fishing. I was amazed at the make shift fins and fishing gear they use.

My point is if you have old fins, masks or other gear please bring them and give them off to your favorite girl. This could literally double or triple their fishing catch. I left some plastic snorkeling fins and the spearfishing guy was amazed at his new speed!

Also fishing lures would be great too.

Mr. New Image,

Your 4 reports are comprehensive and give information not only about mongering but also as a travel guide. Thank you. Based on your reports it is not a place I would choose to monger. My impression was, that the women in "other places" offer a better GFE experience, but it seems to be the opposite. Starfishes for 3500 pesos is a huge disappointment.

Great reports NewImage. Sabang was never on my radar, but it is now.

Looking forward to the 5th report, then all will be listed in the Reports of Distinction.

White Beach.

As I said pretty boring during the day in Sabang so took off to White Beach for 5 days, 3 would be enough, even day trip would suffice. Much better sandy beach. Best days Mon- Thurs. Worse days Fri- Sun due to influx of locals. Jet skis, parasailing, banana boat, snorkelling.

Food here is major problem – trust me eat at one of 3 places – Verandah Restaurant- western food – Swiss Chef – Size of meals, Service, atmosphere, food all good. OR – Casa Mia – Italian Restaurant –Italian owner, friendly service, good food and atmosphere but be prepared to wait for food especially on weekends. OR- Beach Frog Café – bar meals, decent without great. Anywhere else you have been warned. At night used to be fire twirlers and ladyboy shows but ladyboy shows have gone so Filipinos singing karaoke is your entertainment so that lasts 10 minutes.

No bars to BF girls, no freelancers I saw, nights consisted of dinner and either drinking in bar or TV in room.

Maybe BYO from Sabang is only way to go but I thought I might pick something up here but in 5 days no go.

Suggest you stay at far end near restaurants – I stayed Summer Connection in Nippa Hut – accommodation ok but breakfast here a joke.

Sabang Synopsis.

Well I must say overall I was disappointed.

I come here to dive and play. The diving is good but as my reports reflect the girls look hot enough but the performance on the whole is poor. I had one girl who was giving me a list of what she doesn't do – she even said if she wasn't happy she would walk out and not be too concerned about the $$$ - bizarre I thought but she was quite adamant.

What would I do different next time – maximum length of stay 11 days. Happy with food, accommodation and diving. As for how to solve the performance problem – don't know. My recent observations is around SEA and my home the mongering scene is changing (or am I changing?) There are no more guarantees of service – bait and switch (or bait and starfish) is on the increase. Is it amplified in Sabang due to certain groups – I think so. It took me nearly 3 weeks to find a diamond and that's too much time, effort and money stuffing around for me.

So come to Sabang for maybe 1 week to 10/11 days, plan somewhere else too. EDSA, in Manila is a goldmine – well looks wise, only BF once so not large enough sample to gauge overall performance. Stay away from Korean Bars. If you want the cream play the same game as the Asians – get there real early, watch them walk to the bars. I call it the parade.

I'm off to Cebu at Christmas – if you appreciate my reports and can give me any info on Cebu I'll be grateful. PM me.

After Cebu off to my favourite- KL, Beach Club and Viet girls.

Happy mongering!

Boracay is not exactly famous for its mongering scene. More so for low attitude and service for rather high prices.

I have been in Boracay for the 4th time now. My focus had always been to enjoy a very lively place, good and diverse food and lots of party athmosphere in the clubs and bars. You can have all of that within walking distance, or a very short trycicle ride. Nice place to end a trip throughout the Phils!

Boracay has changed from a place frequented by wetserners, well-off Pinoy and others, to a 90% Asian place. My estimate is 60% Koreans, Chinese, Pinoy each 10%, Westerners and Arabs (each 5%.

The previous times, I had brought a FL GF from wherever I had been and whichever seemed worthy (smart and funny vs sleepy and moody) and gifted enough (natural lust and accessibility vs cool professionalism and reluctance) to keep me more happy for a week, rather than annoy me.

This time I flew in to Boracay exclusively for reasons I won't reveal. So my plan had been, to fly in one or two of the girls from Manila and Sabang, PG that I know. That didn't work out in both cases. So, for the first time I was stuck with local supply.

Now there are three major sources of supply for WG or FL in Boracay:

A) Walking the beach, street or shopping venues.

B) Cocomangas.

C) Galaxy.

D) Tulumbat.

Please spare me the "but I picked up a supermodel at The Exit Bar and she gave me GFE LT for PhP 500! Of course you did and yes; that does happen. I have had free sex with Phil hotel guests and with a gorgeous employee (in Boracay! But here we are talking major venues. Those were and remain the above 4.

A) I didn't try. Neither time nor hunting mood, to sort the wheat from the chaff.

B) Cocomangas I went once. There are two problems with this place. One is, that is run down to a level, where even a jaded traveler, such as me can barely cope leave alone feel comfy. They proudly advertise '30 years! It should read '30 years without investing another dime!' . It is smelly, sticky and feels ramshackle! Sure enough you will find FL hanging out at the bar! The time their numbers peak is 10 pm to 11:30 pm. Cocomangas doesn't provide free WiFi, of course. Still, these gals seem to hang out there for the sole purpose of typing on their mobiles. The suckers abroad must be texted, how they feel a bit bored at their province and how they miss them and what that next extra batch of money is so direly needed, apart from the monthly WU allowance, that is. I am sure, they are accessible if you try hard enough. But that attitude drives me off. I am there for the fun. Fun to meet, chat, dance, drink and finally sex. A bad start is an indicator of things to come, more often than not. So I had a few drinks with friends and new buddies, threw a few smiles and let it go. From what I was told, min. Wage for ST is 3 k.

C) Galaxy is a new disco near Bolabog beach. It is Korean owned. It is a very large disco with the interior, tech and service standard you would find in a top place in the EU, US or wherever, but not in the Phils much. So are the prices: 250 for a rum / coke, shooter, 150 for an smb / sml. It is worth it, if it's worth it for you. I enjoyed! No cover charge and dress code (no fliflops) not enforced. It has a smokers balcony and is very well air con'ed. The best range of FL will be found in Galaxy. The problem is the Koreans. They ruin the market wherever they appear. Koreans will be in the Phils for a few days or one week max. That will be their annual holiday. So they are happy to spend. In Puerto Galera the FL word is "3 inch, 3 minutes, 3 thousand". In Boracay it's more like ". 4 thousand". It takes lots of negotiating to get even a ST for less. Not under 3 k.

Now, my nature and approach is, to be tough on the wage and generous with the extras. I really like to have a good time first. Drinks, food, smokes no issue. I am not an Angeles type, who will pick and fuck a girl, without even bothering to ask her name. I like to party! I found this to be very rewarding, as it breaks the ice and makes for a happier basis for the sex part. This is relevant, as I won't accept overpricing. I won't pay a chick more, than the professional waiter in my hotel makes in a week. Period. Which brings us to.

D) Tumbulat is a place near the only gas station you will find on the main street. There are 7 small, shady bars or rather joints lined up that have neither name nor sign. Sure enough, there are local Pinoy inside, intoxicated beyond reason and the karaoke machine. The bar girls couldn't care less. You'll find them lined up on the porch and / or inside. Half are not attractive, but the other half is sweet. Take your pick, check whether the gal is ready and willing to accompany you and beat down mam sang to 2 k for ST. LT is rather expensive with asking price of 4-5 k, as the gals are supposed to perform a quick stint with you only and return to the bar for 1 or 2 more rounds. I would go to Tumbulat, pick and take a girl and head to Galaxy with her. One in particular was very sexy, but shy. After a first beer, she resisted as much to dancing, as I insisted. She was very insecure and shy, dancing at this (in her view) grand venue. Following our first attempt of a dance, I persuaded her to 2 vodka shooters and later we danced again. She was like a snake: all over under and around me, probing my lips, crotch and patience! We left and had a wonderful session at my room!

Problem with Tumbulat gals remains the insistence to finish quickly. They don't only get up, dress and leave right after sex. Some are actually very outspoken about it, as soon as you're getting started. This is no so much frustrating because I would like another round, but because it kills all the heat I have built up and leaves me with that exact cool professionalism, I so much despise. For reasons I won't reveal, I wasn't able to book LT.

My feelings for mongering Boracay remain very dim.

Hi! Is there any place / island in the Philippines where one can enjoy both, other than Sabang? I am looking for a resort type place which offers decent hotels and really nice beaches, as well as a more or less thriving nightlife with bars and working girls. Even in Sabang beaches seem not to be the best according to the reports. Or is it the best compromise? Thanks in advance for your input!

[QUOTE=Danubius;2086534]Hi! Is there any place / island in the Philippines where one can enjoy both, other than Sabang? I am looking for a resort type place which offers decent hotels and really nice beaches, as well as a more or less thriving nightlife with bars and working girls. Even in Sabang beaches seem not to be the best according to the reports. Or is it the best compromise? Thanks in advance for your input![/QUOTE]In Sabang that area called Big La Laguna has enough beach for anybody. Sabang was my fave for a long time. You'll love it. A place called Moalboal is on my bucket list. It's a diving resort maybe 2 hours west of Cebu. Never did it. It's going to be smaller. Less selection but I could never figure out how to bone more than one girl at a time.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2086668]In Sabang that area called Big La Laguna has enough beach for anybody. Sabang was my fave for a long time. You'll love it. A place called Moalboal is on my bucket list. It's a diving resort maybe 2 hours west of Cebu. Never did it. It's going to be smaller. Less selection but I could never figure out how to bone more than one girl at a time.[/QUOTE]Moalboal is very small and has little nightlife. It is best to take your own which I did. There are a couple of places where you can get a drink and I have read that a couple of freelancers were seen there but it will be slim pickings.

I don't see much in this section about Tuguegarao City in Cagayan province, and I don't expect anyone here to be an expert on it, but some of you may have mongered in similar sized cities, so that could be relevant.

I have the opportunity to go there to work on a project for a couple of weeks. Never been to Philippines before at all. And Eastern Europe is my normal mongering turf, so I am a bit out of water here.

My understanding is this is a provincial town of 150,000 which does not sound very promising. On the other hand it has a university of 38,000 which does sound promising. My experience is that wherever college girls are in abundance, there are always some looking to earn extra money. And with the college / town population ratio, a lot of those students must be out-of-towners, so they have the freedom to be bad girls if they want.

I figure daily mongering there would be a problem, probably not many places to hunt and too small a place for anonymity. So my assumption is that finding a college girl to "date" or "sponsor" is my best bet for spending two weeks there pleasantly. So I am not looking for a straight P4 P pro, but a college girl looking for a little extra cash (and excitement).

Does this seem reasonable like a reasonable strategy? And should I try to find a girl in advance on the internet, or just trust in my pulling power as a white western businessman (but over 50) to meet girls once I am there?

I was thinking of approaching girls as interpreters or social guides, then lead the conversation into the more personal service requirements.

If I am scouting prospects in advance (which I assume would be best) are there any special web-sites? PinayLove? FilippinaCupid? And would WeChat be useful for this?

Also, where would be a good place to go on the weekends in northern Luzon? Any great beach resorts? Looking both to get out of my small town and identify an attractive mini-vacation that would appeal to a girl.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

GT.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2087165]I don't see much in this section about Tuguegarao City in Cagayan province, and I don't expect anyone here to be an expert on it, but some of you may have mongered in similar sized cities, so that could be relevant.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you will be having an interesting time. A couple of thoughts for you as I have not visited Tuguegarao City.

Smaller town girls will not want to be seen around town with a foreigner. The connotations are not the rumors that will want to have about themselves. Te otherwise willing university girls will be very shy in public.

For me, I would be on pinalove, dateinasia for 1-2 weeks only before your visit. Expect that the girls will come direct to your hotel and meet in your room, even just for conversations at first.

If you are working, and depending upon your job, you do have to consider that the whole town will know of your extra-curricular activities. Does that fit with your job?

What are your plans on travelling to Tuguegarao City? Will you have time to spend in AC or Manila. You could pre-qualify a few girls. Take one with you on your initial journey to Tuguegarao City where she can help you in transit and be your squeeze for the week. On the weekend, take her to the beach. After the weekend if you have decided that the local scene will work for you then you can decide whether to order in your next AC freelancer. The more I think about this, I think arriving with a girl would be good as it gives you sexual certainty for the first few days. You can always send her home early or keep her longer depending on your take of the local scene.

Happy days.

BD.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2087165]I don't see much in this section about Tuguegarao City in Cagayan province
GT.[/QUOTE]You are a lucky dog venturing into uncharted territory. Here are my thoughts on the matter. 150,000 is a big enough crowd to keep a bordello in the black. Pay for play in the Philippines is like shit on a horse ranch; it's everywhere. Be selective and befriend a trike driver and get the lowdown from him. As for Pinoy bars go early, find your girl, and leave quickly. Don't get drunk and if there is problem, apologize and buy the troubled party a drink then leave.

I used DIA. It was time consuming but fun. You should probably begin using DIA starting about 2 weeks before you arrive. Here are some pitfalls. Some girls will claim to live in the city but really live several hours out of town. This complicates the rendezvous and can make things unworkable. Girls will meet you with a friend or family and you get stuck paying for them and paying and paying. Read the thread "Chat rooms and Pen pals" for advice on how best to manage this problem.

Use the "nearby" feature on WeChat to find possibilities and remember that you will probably have the same problem with your prospect bringing unwanted company and wheedling a free meal from you for no quid pro quo.

College girls looking for money to pay for school is urban legend. I understand that a female college student in the PI can expelled for inappropriate behavior of any kind. This is not to say that you won't find a rebellious college girl who will spend time with you.

Good luck and let us know what happened. You lucky dog.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2087165]I don't see much in this section about Tuguegarao City in Cagayan province, and I don't expect anyone here to be an expert on it, but some of you may have mongered in similar sized cities, so that could be relevant.

I have the opportunity to go there to work on a project for a couple of weeks. Never been to Philippines before at all. And Eastern Europe is my normal mongering turf, so I am a bit out of water here.
[/QUOTE]I have spent a lot of time in Tuguegarao and other parts of Cagayan (and Isabela) for the same reason as you.

You have obviously done your homework and most of your conclusions are correct.

It is a very small provincial town with calesas (horse drawn small carts for transport) and so the place smells of hrse manure.

There are a couple of very large Universities so there are many students around BUT as a foreigner, a gentleman and a professional you are very prominent and conspicuous and so you will find it very difficult to fly incognito.

If, like me, you need to protect your reputation then it will be virtually impossible. For me, it is essential that I fly under the radar and keep my name beyong reproach and stay outside of any tsismis (gossip).

Example: In 1999 I found a disco bar in the ground floor of a local hotel and spent an evening there chatting with girls and buying drinks.

Luckily I went home alone because next morning the woman at the front desk asked me if I enjoyed myself last night at (name of bar. I forget it).

Nothing came of it but it made me nervous about my "reputation" (my profession is one where I need to be discreet), because it was clear that everyone knew everyone else's business.

As has been said before, girls will be very wary about being seen with you if you are new in town unless they are somewhat "hard-core" with an already established reputation as pick-up girls (the local term).

DIA might work if you can entice a girl to your hotel, but she might baulk at being seen entering your room, as anyone from the security guard, reception, house maids might know her or be related to her.

I enjoy my time travelling in provincial cities right across the Philippines, but not for mongering.

If you don't need to protect a reputation, then you can have a heap of fun but remember that everyone will know about it.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2087276]College girls looking for money to pay for school is urban legend. I understand that a female college student in the PI can expelled for inappropriate behavior of any kind. This is not to say that you won't find a rebellious college girl who will spend time with you.[/QUOTE]I get so tired of hearing this story. Years ago some fool on another board stated he picks them up left and right and posted some pictures of his current college girlfriend. Another member shared his pic of the same girl with links to several websites proving she was in reality a Japanese porn star that he had never even met.

I lived in downtown Cebu for 8 months which has like 9 colleges. I walked past 3 practically every day. Very few college girls even took a glance in my direction. To get college girls you have to spent lots of time and energy or lie and tell them you are looking for a wife (and still wait). You can get lucky using a friend of a friend which got me 2 college girls that were very GFE.

No matter what you will have fun just meeting Filipinas during the course of your stay whether it is at the store, restaurant, or walking down the street. They are super friendly. Just smile and say "Hi!" to all the pretty girls you see. Just the smiles you get in return are sweet. It sounds stupid but do it for just one day and you will understand. They are not going to jump into bed with you. But it is that easy to make a friend.

If you have any vacation days to use. Use them now at the end of your trip in either Manila or Angeles City!

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2087335]I have spent a lot of time in Tuguegarao and other parts of Cagayan (and Isabela) for the same reason as you.

You have obviously done your homework and most of your conclusions are correct.

It is a very small provincial town with calesas (horse drawn small carts for transport) and so the place smells of hrse manure.

There are a couple of very large Universities so there are many students around BUT as a foreigner, a gentleman and a professional you are very prominent and conspicuous and so you will find it very difficult to fly incognito.

If, like me, you need to protect your reputation then it will be virtually impossible. For me, it is essential that I fly under the radar and keep my name beyong reproach and stay outside of any tsismis (gossip).
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If you don't need to protect a reputation, then you can have a heap of fun but remember that everyone will know about it.[/QUOTE]First, thanks everyone for your helpful comments.

I probably do need to be somewhat discreet for my own reputation, so I can't be seen cavorting with obvious working girls, but I can probably get away with romancing a young lady if she is "normal" and not too young.

I am more concerned with the young lady's reputation, which I understand can be at risk in a small town. So I am happy to entertain her primarily in my hotel, if necessary. But if she is from out of town, maybe she does not have to be as careful?

I am also considering the option described by Brain Drain and picking up a girl in Manila on my way there to keep me company. But it is a long way from Manila to Tugeuegarao (like 500 km) so what would I do, send her on the bus or train (of course I will be flying)? Is there a major city closer than Manila / Quezon that I could draw from?

Red Kilt, is there a decent hotel I should be trying to stay in? My host is proposing to put me up in a "guest house" which may or may not be very private!

By the way, I have just joined Pinalove, and find the pickings very slim for Cagayan. Not even sure if it means the province I am in or Cagayan de Oro, which is a totally different and distant place.

But also, when I search for Cagayan, I get a handful of profiles (like under a dozen) but then a bunch more appear on the carousel at the top of the page. Not always Cagayan, but certainly dozens from there that do not show up in my search. What gives?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2087335]As has been said before, girls will be very wary about being seen with you if you are new in town unless they are somewhat "hard-core" with an already established reputation as pick-up girls (the local term).

DIA might work if you can entice a girl to your hotel, but she might baulk at being seen entering your room, as anyone from the security guard, reception, house maids might know her or be related to her.

I enjoy my time travelling in provincial cities right across the Philippines, but not for mongering.

If you don't need to protect a reputation, then you can have a heap of fun but remember that everyone will know about it.[/QUOTE]Spot on. As RK stated, for most of us we have this idea in our heads that we can get a girl to come to our condo / hotel room. In the big city, there is both anonymity and hardcore. In the province there is none of that. There is a deeper shyness, and there is a huge fear in the girl's mind that someone will see them entering a hotel (even worse. With a foreigner) and the gossip will get back to the family, which will cause real shame. I've literally had boots on the ground and had girls tell me either in txt or to my face that its not possible that they come to my place until I've met the fam, or that they can come to my place in another town (just not their province). I've gotten quite good at that last item.

Related and almost identical story as RK's, but in the city. I was staying some years ago at Diplomat hotel on Ramos in Cebu. One night I walked down to Mango to meet a new DIA girl and have a drink. She wanted instead to go to the old Sunflower disco and meet friends for the drink, so we taxi'd there. While there she danced with her girlfriends (I don't dance standing up). I got a txt from another board member that he was in Mango square with his regular, asking me to come there. I told my date we were leaving for MS, but she wanted to stay and dance. We agreed to keep in touch with txt and meet up later that evening. Once at Mango with my buddy and his girl, my girl stopped txting. Date over it seemed. Not to get cock-blocked, I walked over to Juliana's disco and got a girl from the outside for the night. The next morning I waltzed her out to the street and she jeeped home. Back inside I decided to change my cash into pesos at the front desk. The young lady there changing my money (I'd never seen her face before) said: "So. Sir. You visit Sunflower last night? I didn't go before. My friends say they have many live band. Its good?" How did she have any idea where a guest went to last night? She wasn't on duty last night when I dropped the room key at the front desk as I departed the hotel. MS is half a mile from the hotel, and Sunflower was 2 miles from the hotel. WTF, the bamboo pipeline was alive and working its magic.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2087447]

Red Kilt, is there a decent hotel I should be trying to stay in? My host is proposing to put me up in a "guest house" which may or may not be very private!

By the way, I have just joined Pinalove, and find the pickings very slim for Cagayan. Not even sure if it means the province I am in or Cagayan de Oro, which is a totally different and distant place.

But also, when I search for Cagayan, I get a handful of profiles (like under a dozen) but then a bunch more appear on the carousel at the top of the page. Not always Cagayan, but certainly dozens from there that do not show up in my search. What gives?[/QUOTE]There are a lot more hotels in Tuguegarao now but none of them are large scale with lots of guests milling around the lobby.

I always stayed in what is called a "guest house" or sometimes it's called a "pension" . In most other places this would be a euphemism for "very cheap or hostel-like", but in provincia towns like Tuguegarao it doesn't mean anything. My pension was comfortable and clean but, as I said in my earlier post, everybody could see anyone arriving and departing so they are raely private in the way that you want them.

Re Pinalove. It is notorious for girls putting their place of origin as the closest big city. Cagayan covers a very large area so if ever you chat with a girl the first question should be "where do you live?" The girls on the top banner are those who are not online or who have not been online for a while (usually).

In the Philippines we measure distances by time and not kilometers. Tuguegarao is anywhere between 12 - 16 hours from Manila depending on whether you travel by bus or car in the middle of the night or during the day (longer). There are lots of roadworks too which can hold you up for 20 to 30 minutes at a stoppage. It's a no-brainer that you should fly there.

I wouldn't take anyone with me to Tuguegarao as there is nothing for her to do if you have to work. I would suggest you go alone, assume there will be no mongering and just act normally; smile and chat to everyone and you just never know what will happen. That has been my MO in the province and it has often worked out unexpectedly.

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2087165]Also, where would be a good place to go on the weekends in northern Luzon? Any great beach resorts? Looking both to get out of my small town and identify an attractive mini-vacation that would appeal to a girl.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

GT.[/QUOTE]Pagudpud is good. Fly to Laoag city. Hannah's is probably the best resort there. Nice white beach. Perfect for BYOG vacation.

Great advise below. Sorry if some of this is redundant, I wrote this before I saw what RK, WC and LIH wrote. But I'll just repeat that regular Filipinas are basically hard to get (pakipot). That they are going to drop their panties for tuition money, or to get out of their desperate situation is a myth. I would say at least 95% would be appalled by the thought. (In theory, anyway). And I agree, most girls in that town will be very shy to be seen with you one-on-one.

Regarding tricycle drivers, some will say they can find you a hot girl. But I would expect them to bring some thing that I wouldn't touch, that the locals get for 200 pesos. He will of course tell you it's 1500. But remember, Filipinos don't like sex tourists, and prostitution is illegal. Taking advantage of young girls is a high crime. Don't do it. If they ask to borrow money, don't try to exploit them. I would advise against bringing any undue attention to yourself. Lay low, as the others wrote.

I used to try and avoid them bringing friends for the first meet, for the reasons mentioned. But I changed that for a couple reasons. One, the kind of girl I like probably will not come alone. If you insist she comes alone, she may either make some excuse, vanish at the time she should be getting ready, or simply stop texting all together. Second, you might like her friend better. Or her friend might be the one to give her the blessing to meet you alone next time.

Just for fun, hand your number to any cutie you like. Don't be shy but don't be obnoxious about it either. I mean don't chase her and freak her out. Or hand it to her friend and ask her to give it to the one you like. She will probably text but it's unlikely you will ever see her again. Her dream might be to marry a man just like you. But the fact of the matter is she will probably be terrified to meet you again while you're in town. As soon as you leave and are out of striking distance, that's a different story. But for now, she'll likely think you're a sex maniac or she's scared to speak English (nose bleed). If you do happen to be looking for something other than fast sex, you might be able to convince her to get to know each other. Or if she does trust you enough to meet you, she might end up being the sex maniak. But don't bullshit anyone just to get pussy, there are other ways.

Allowing her to bring a friend can help. Don't waste too much time texting because that's their national sport and is likely all she really wants to do anyway. Get to your point before too long and just say, are you hungry? Let's eat. I get away without wasting a lot of money by doing the following:

Think of an amount that you would like to spend. Let's say it's 200 pesos or 300 or 500 for the first meet. If they show up, sit down somewhere that's not too annoying, where you can talk. Even if it's a little restaurant in the mall, you don't have to order anything. Just look at the menu for awhile and look each other over and talk. Leave 20 p on the table when you go. You may be the one to do all the talking because they are shy to talk. Don't tell them you hate the Christmas music playing, or she might get totally shocked and think you are not Christian, hate Christmas, and are an evil baby killer. As they're looking over the menu, say "I have 300 to spends for this meet. It's your money, you can spend it however you want. If you want to buy a sugar mango shake for 90 pesos, that's up to you. Or you can buy whatever you want later. " I would put at least 100 each in their pocket just for showing up, plus cover their transportation. If you guys dig each other, next time she won't be so shy and you can probably shag. That's one way to get a higher quality girl.


If I was going to pay for only one site, it would be Filipino Cupid. I just did an advanced search for Tuguegarao and came up with quite a few matches in my basic criteria. You might have to lower your standards until you get established. Use the city name and zero mile radius. And make sure all the boxes are checked "any". Remember, they don't know their height or weight. I don't bother with tying to live chat. It's OK to be vague about your intentions. Just make it clear that you want to meet in person, not just chat mate. You might have better results if you say you don't expect anything from them. If you do expect sex, your choices will probably go from 300 down to about 6. If she calls you darling or dear, you're probably going to shag. Unless she's actually a gay boy. .

Expect to text more than you ever thought possible in your life. Don't expect to be able to ring them up and have a normal phone conversation. And expect all kinds of absurd excuses, non-replies, no-shows, etc.

Just last, I learned a long time ago to not go out of my way. I will just say "meet me at the mall at 4 o'clock tomorrow please. Don't worry, I'll pay your transportation. " When she says she doesn't have money for transportation, just say "borrow please, I'll pay you back if you arrive. " If she doesn't show up, it doesn't matter because you expected it, and you wanted to go to the mall at 4 o'clock anyway. Regarding load: If you feel really lucky, you can load everyone's phone. 30 pesos gets a 2 day unli text promo. If you don't like the idea of loading someone's phone that you'll probably never see, you can say "borrow load please. I'll pay you back if we meet. "

I hope that helps. It wasn't meant to be negative, just a little preview of what to expect. Just keep a good attitude. Don't get mad when they flake, please. Remember, you will probably be the first foreigner they had any experience with. So don't make them bummed they met you, that word will spread and fuck things up for the next guy. Make them happy they met you even if you're disappointed. Always make sure its a win win. She may not be ready now but in 2 years she might wake up and say this is the day! And you might get a text. You can keep your sim active when you are away by loading it once every 2 months. You can do that from anywhere in the world via a remit site.

Oh, and one last thing. As you play the hand-out-your-number game, try to get their name. Say "can I get your name please, just in case you text?" Then make notes in your phone. Name, age, what she looks like, where you met, what you talked about, etc. Maybe try to get a selfie with her on your first meet. Then when you add her contact, you can copy and paste your notes along with a pic. Save all your conversations for future reference. Because when she texts, she will probably just write "low remember me?" And usually they have multiple SIMs.

This is great advice, Sam. I'm doing a lot of this but seeing your comments is great reminder.

[QUOTE=Sam14;2087726]Great advise below..[/QUOTE]

Thnks friend for these valuable information. Really helpful to any one trying to connect through dating sites or looking for regular girls.

Regards,

Khekada.

[QUOTE=Sam14;2087726]Great advise below. Sorry if some of this is redundant, I wrote this before I saw what RK, WC and LIH wrote. But I'll just repeat that regular Filipinas are basically hard to get (pakipot). That they are going to drop their panties for tuition money, or to get out of their desperate situation is a myth. I would say at least 95% would be appalled by the thought. (In theory, anyway). And I agree, most girls in that town will be very shy to be seen with you one-on-one.

Regarding tricycle drivers, some will say they can find you a hot girl. But I would expect them to bring some thing that I wouldn't touch, that the locals get for 200 pesos. He will of course tell you it's 1500. But remember, Filipinos don't like sex tourists, and prostitution is illegal. Taking advantage of young girls is a high crime. Don't do it. If they ask to borrow money, don't try to exploit them. I would advise against bringing any undue attention to yourself. Lay low, as the others wrote.

I used to try and avoid them bringing friends for the first meet, for the reasons mentioned. But I changed that for a couple reasons. One, the kind of girl I like probably will not come alone. If you insist she comes alone, she may either make some excuse, vanish at the time she should be getting ready, or simply stop texting all together. Second, you might like her friend better. Or her friend might be the one to give her the blessing to meet you alone next time..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sam14;2087726]

Just for fun, hand your number to any cutie you like. Don't be shy but don't be obnoxious about it either. I mean don't chase her and freak her out. Or hand it to her friend and ask her to give it to the one you like. She will probably text but it's unlikely you will ever see her again.
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Oh, and one last thing. As you play the hand-out-your-number game, try to get their name. Say "can I get your name please, just in case you text?" [/QUOTE]Sam gives a lot of good pointers in his post but I would caution any newbies or guys who aren't very savvy about filipino society and customs to be a bit cautious about the "give out your number to random pretty girls" tip.

I recall the case from Cebu some years ago now where the random girl told her mother about this foreigner who had given her his phone number in the mall. The father plus law enforcement set up a sting to lure the clueless foreigner to a Shakey's Restaurant where they nailed him on some trumped-up charge because she was in school / college uniform.

Remember some of these very young girls can pass for much older when they apply the make-up in the way that pinays do. Some girls also have jealous boyfriends too and they might think that passing on your number to the boyfriend would be a fun thing to do and might create a worthwhile scene to video when the confrontation occurs.

So. Make sure you have had some connection and interaction with the girl and try to judge her potential BEFORE you start handing out your number mindlessly. You never know where it might end up.

Again, thanks to everyone for all the good advice! Very helpful.

I have been on Pinalove for a week now and find it marginally useful. I am still a free member, so my usage is restricted, plus I look like a cheap bastard to any ambitious girl, but I will probably play this site a little bit, and will have to decide whether to pony up for a real membership. I also joined FilipinoCupid (again, still free at this stage) and it is much more productive. I have well over 100 girls messaging me, but of course I cannot read any of their messages without paying. Half the messages are obviously no good (too old, wrong location) but the other half might be possible. But I am still 2 months away from coming, so much too early to work on qualifying prospects. I knew this, but wanted to get a feel for the web-sites. Now I need to shut down my profile and be patient until I am closer to my travel time. But nice to know FC will present many reasonable prospects. Plus it is easy to see now what some of you are saying about identifying the pros.

I am reluctant to get into this without a viable plan to have daily pussy available somehow. I was never cut out to be a monk. Yet I agree that bringing a girl from Manila or something is a long shot. What can they do while I am working? I don't think I will be so bold as to hand out my number to random cuties, that does sound risky. But I have picked up "normal" girls before in malls and street corners and am prepared to try that here. But I think my best bet is to ID some girls in nearby cities (yes, measuring in time, not miles) and try to get them to visit. They run less risk of exposure in another town.

But equally I don't think fishing for college girls in an "urban legend". Of course all these things are variable depending on cultural norms and degree of anonymity, but I have had a lot of success fucking needy college girls in many cultures, including home in North America. I would always pick a city with a healthy female student population as a "target rich" environment over any other strategy. Unless one wants to rely on obvious red light or P4 P districts. I prefer the semi-pro or amateur markets.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice. I will probably lie low now until I actually go, when I may need more advice.

Happy hunting to all!

[QUOTE=GentlemanTravel;2088609]

Anyway, thanks for all the advice. I will probably lie low now until I actually go, when I may need more advice.

Happy hunting to all![/QUOTE]Others disagree but I think you're making a big mistake by not getting online now. You get a break when you buy 3 months anyway. You really all that busy?

[QUOTE=Sam14;2092110]Others disagree but I think you're making a big mistake by not getting online now. You get a break when you buy 3 months anyway. You really all that busy?[/QUOTE]I am one who respectfully disagrees Sam (although I understand your experience, I also have lengthy experience here).

I told the Gentleman to wait until 3 weeks out and then get a 1 month membership and go online and start searching.

That allows an extra week of access when he is actually on the ground.

Anything more than 2 to 3 weeks is meaningless to these women.

Their clocks work on yesterday, now and tomorrow.

If you tell them you're coming soon they see that as another way of saying "maybe I will visit; maybe not".

The best position is to be able to say I am here now.

I think this app is more effective than those paid sites to hook up and this is free. I found this app and had several responses but too late since I was leaving for the airport. I downloaded the app late in my stay. But I will try again since I will be making another trip to Cebu next month and do some major mongering for 4 days. I will send update upon return.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2088440]Sam gives a lot of good pointers in his post but I would caution any newbies or guys who aren't very savvy about filipino society and customs to be a bit cautious about the "give out your number to random pretty girls" tip.

I recall the case from Cebu some years ago now where the random girl told her mother about this foreigner who had given her his phone number in the mall. The father plus law enforcement set up a sting to lure the clueless foreigner to a Shakey's Restaurant where they nailed him on some trumped-up charge because she was in school / college uniform.

Remember some of these very young girls can pass for much older when they apply the make-up in the way that pinays do. Some girls also have jealous boyfriends too and they might think that passing on your number to the boyfriend would be a fun thing to do and might create a worthwhile scene to video when the confrontation occurs.

So. Make sure you have had some connection and interaction with the girl and try to judge her potential BEFORE you start handing out your number mindlessly. You never know where it might end up.[/QUOTE]Back in my days, you contact security guards and they have list of hookups with college girls. I don't if this is still the same now a days. I might try this when I return next month.

[QUOTE=Explorer1004;2094215]I think this app is more effective than those paid sites to hook up and this is free. I found this app and had several responses but too late since I was leaving for the airport. I downloaded the app late in my stay. But I will try again since I will be making another trip to Cebu next month and do some major mongering for 4 days. I will send update upon return.[/QUOTE]If you like P4 P, WeChat is very good and also Tinder has lots of P4 P girls.

Although this has been a good discussion, I would like to gently remind members that the *other areas* thread is meant for reports about other areas in Philippines that do not already have a dedicated thread.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2092144]I am one who respectfully disagrees Sam (although I understand your experience, I also have lengthy experience here).

I told the Gentleman to wait until 3 weeks out and then get a 1 month membership and go online and start searching.

That allows an extra week of access when he is actually on the ground.

Anything more than 2 to 3 weeks is meaningless to these women.

Their clocks work on yesterday, now and tomorrow.

If you tell them you're coming soon they see that as another way of saying "maybe I will visit; maybe not".

The best position is to be able to say I am here now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer1004;2094217]Back in my days, you contact security guards and they have list of hookups with college girls. I don't if this is still the same now a days. I might try this when I return next month.[/QUOTE]Let me know cause, I'll visiting PI this coming December.

Re post.

Anybody have any info on Baguio?

Going to be here for a project.

Other than KTVs, anything worthwhile?

[QUOTE=EconoTech;2109831]Re post.

Anybody have any info on Baguio?

Going to be here for a project.

Other than KTVs, anything worthwhile?[/QUOTE]Seems to be a regular tourist destination for filipina travelling in groups and alone. I expect wechat would be your friend here. Maybe Pinalove too.

Over the past few weeks have had a few filipina traveling to visit here from AC. They are friendly girls when they are in AC, I assume they would be friendly in Baguio too for a nice comfy place and free food plus some spending money.

BD.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;2109831]Re post.

Anybody have any info on Baguio?

Going to be here for a project.

Other than KTVs, anything worthwhile?[/QUOTE]I have been there and not keen to return as the journey there not great and can e cold and wet at the wrong time of year. Mall are good and sitting there and watching, smiling etc can work. Use the web sites and plan is always the best advice.

I had fun there but I prefer warmer climes although the strawberries were great.

Thanks for the tips.

Girls here don't smile at foreigners unlike Manila or AC.

Hmmm.

We chat then.

Or walk into the 24 hour KTV and see what's the score.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;2110557]Thanks for the tips.

Girls here don't smile at foreigners unlike Manila or AC.

Hmmm.

We chat then.

Or walk into the 24 hour KTV and see what's the score.[/QUOTE]Ah, for the good old days, when most girls everywhere would give you eye contact and a big smile. The age of innocence has passed.

Hello peeps,

Does anybody have any up to date info on panglao and guest / girl friendly places to stay? Can't seem to find any info on the tinternet, I need to some nightlife and I'm led to believe the action is on alona beach, can anyone clarify that or give me some pointers please.

TIA.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2113618]Hello peeps,

Does anybody have any up to date info on panglao and guest / girl friendly places to stay? Can't seem to find any info on the tinternet, I need to some nightlife and I'm led to believe the action is on alona beach, can anyone clarify that or give me some pointers please.
[/QUOTE]I just spent 2 days there on business and didn't see any action at all.

Go back to your sources and find out where the "action" is. This time of year it is quiet.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2113618]Hello peeps,

I need to some nightlife and I'm led to believe the action is on alona beach, can anyone clarify that or give me some pointers please.

TIA.[/QUOTE]When I was there last Christmas, there were a couple of girls operating off WeChat and two bars at the far right end of the beach with some prettty tragic options.

I imported from Puerto Galera. See my posts on Holidaying with a Hooker for more info.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2113916]When I was there last Christmas, there were a couple of girls operating off WeChat and two bars at the far right end of the beach with some prettty tragic options.

I imported from Puerto Galera. See my posts on Holidaying with a Hooker for more info.[/QUOTE]Oh shit, well that's thrown a spanner in the works then, I met a dude in manilla who said its teaming with pussy at you're disposal and you've said the opposite, not sure now if I'm going to gonas I need some action, being a Phils virgin I've not quite mastered importing my squeeze from elsewhere, what to do.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2114059]Oh shit, well that's thrown a spanner in the works then, I met a dude in manilla who said its teaming with pussy at you're disposal and you've said the opposite, not sure now if I'm going to gonas I need some action, being a Phils virgin I've not quite mastered importing my squeeze from elsewhere, what to do.[/QUOTE]Go to Cebu find a girl who would like a nice hotel and vacation as Bohol for some is an overseas trip and picture wit the 'chocolate hills' in the background are great Facebook fare.

Easier and I have done as have many others. As Christmas you need to e sure they can go as the family pull for Christmas is strong despite their strong desire to go and have fun as well as be paid.

PM me if you need more help.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2114059]Oh shit, well that's thrown a spanner in the works then, I met a dude in manilla who said its teaming with pussy at you're disposal and you've said the opposite, not sure now if I'm going to gonas I need some action, being a Phils virgin I've not quite mastered importing my squeeze from elsewhere, what to do.[/QUOTE]Puerto Galera (Sabang) is diving with pussy.

Subic is pussy with diving and some beach.

All the other small areas are basically import or try your luck locally

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2114113]Go to Cebu find a girl who would like a nice hotel and vacation as Bohol for some is an overseas trip and picture wit the 'chocolate hills' in the background are great Facebook fare.[/QUOTE]I'm in Cebu now shooting fish in a barrel on PinaLove. A lot of girls listed as being in Cebu have actually left for Bohol or elsewhere.

I'd expect it to take you minutes to find a girl (s) online that would either go with you or are already in Bohol. Obviously you would have ensure that those on the island are located some where near the beach where you intend to go.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2114272]........

I'd expect it to take you minutes to find a girl (s) online that would either go with you or are already in Bohol. Obviously you would have ensure that those on the island are located some where near the beach where you intend to go.[/QUOTE]I spend about 20 minutes searching for and initiating contact with women in Bohol in preparation for a trip there.

I made about 15 or 20 initial contacts and received over 10 replies. I had my pick of 5 willing to spend a week with me. Ended up spending 2 weeks with one. This was 6 weeks ago that I made the initial contacts and I still get "Hi how are you" from about 3 women.

Getting good pussy here is just too easy if you have time ahead to make contact, get numbers and chat a few times.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114296]I spend about 20 minutes searching for and initiating contact with women in Bohol in preparation for a trip there.

I made about 15 or 20 initial contacts and received over 10 replies. I had my pick of 5 willing to spend a week with me. Ended up spending 2 weeks with one. This was 6 weeks ago that I made the initial contacts and I still get "Hi how are you" from about 3 women.

Getting good pussy here is just too easy if you have time ahead to make contact, get numbers and chat a few times.[/QUOTE]Good to hear some positive feedback.

I got 2 days before I set sail so deffo enough time to prepare some fantasy for my arrival.

God save the internet.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2114316]Good to hear some positive feedback.

I got 2 days before I set sail so deffo enough time to prepare some fantasy for my arrival.

God save the internet.[/QUOTE]Your OP asked about action in Panglao Island which is connected to Tagbiliran (the capital) by a short bridge.

The discussion expanded to "bring a friend from outside" and now talks about finding women in Bohol on a chat site.

If you do chat with them, establish where exactly they live in Bohol.

Bohol is an island, and if a girl is outside of Tagbiliran she will have to plan to get there, usually by tricycle and jeepney, to meet you to go to Panglao. If she is way out in the east or north-east then it can be a major expedition.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114296]I spend about 20 minutes searching for and initiating contact with women in Bohol in preparation for a trip there.[/QUOTE]Can you share which website please?

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2115194]Can you share which website please?[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, you're such an "expert" that if I put a map of the Philippines under your nose, you couldn't find Bohol in 10 seconds.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2115621]Hahahaha, you're such an "expert" that if I put a map of the Philippines under your nose, you couldn't find Bohol in 10 seconds.[/QUOTE]I think you'll find it is a reference to Madagascar, and it is a section of the forum where he is an active poster.

Having said that, I'm not sure using 'expert' in your name for yourself is necessarily a high credibility tactic. Sorry mate!

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114296]I spend about 20 minutes searching for and initiating contact with women in Bohol in preparation for a trip there.

I made about 15 or 20 initial contacts and received over 10 replies. I had my pick of 5 willing to spend a week with me. Ended up spending 2 weeks with one. This was 6 weeks ago that I made the initial contacts and I still get "Hi how are you" from about 3 women.

Getting good pussy here is just too easy if you have time ahead to make contact, get numbers and chat a few times.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Which site you used to initiate contact with bahol girls.

[QUOTE=Slippery;2115621]Hahahaha, you're such an "expert" that if I put a map of the Philippines under your nose, you couldn't find Bohol in 10 seconds.[/QUOTE]Please excuse Mr. Slipp as he rarely has anything constructive to add so he is relegated to cheap shots.

[QUOTE=Sydpat;2115805]Which site you used to initiate contact with bahol girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2115194]Can you share which website please?[/QUOTE]Three major websites are DIA, PinaLOve and Filipino Cupid. But it takes time and Bohol is a very conservative island. The girls are not that desperate. Just because you get some positive responses does not mean you are going to hook up later. But who knows, you might get lucky.

Spent several days in Sabang. Great combo of diving and bars.

- There are 2 new go-go bars. What's Up and OK bar. So there's a total of 10 go-go bars.

- Barfine is still 1500 pesos, plus 1500 tip, for a total of 3000 pesos.

- IMO, it seems more girls are willing to do longtime than Angeles.

- The bar at the east end is Li La Lu. This was formerly called Midnight. Midnight moved to the old Venus. They remodeled it. Looks nice. OK bar opened up across Midnight. Many of the staff from the old Venus is working at OK bar.

- It seems the best looking girls are at Midnight and OK. Midnight probably has the edge. Koreans come in early (at or before the opening time of 7 PM) to pick the best looking girls. If you come in late, all the decent looking girls are taken.

- 8 of the bars (except Coco Lips and What's Up) closes around midnight.

- 3 of the bars (Li La Lu, Quantum, and Midnight) are owned by the same Australian owner, and the girls can move around the bars.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2117093]Spent several days in Sabang. Great combo of diving and bars. <snip>

- It seems the best looking girls are at Midnight and OK. Midnight probably has the edge. Koreans come in early (at or before the opening time of 7 PM) to pick the best looking girls. <snip>

- 3 of the bars (Li La Lu, Quantum, and Midnight) are owned by the same Australian owner, and the girls can move around the bars.[/QUOTE]Great Sabang update GreenBud. I have to get out of MNL and check out Sabang one of these days!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2117344]Great Sabang update GreenBud. I have to get out of MNL and check out Sabang one of these days![/QUOTE]Greetings Natty,

I was there last June but under the weather so did not enjoy myself as I could have. It was the end of Ramadan too so the town was full of tourist. Marching bands all over, all day long blowing their trumpets and beating the bass drum. Avoid PG when this is going on.

Before leaving PG I did manage to get out to the bars and they were surprisingly good. I took a nice BG w / nips the size of a lumberjack's thumb, a real sweetheart. This BG lived in a shack on a hillside (no electricity / water) so LT is more likely there.

Thanks Greenbud for the update.

Currently in Subic but I've had enough now, been there seen it done it etc etc, thinking of heading to Sabang on the 1st or 2nd Jan. As I fly out of MNL on the 9th so a week in Sabang sounds like good option.

What's my travel options getting to Sabang? I know I can get a bus to manilla from Subic and then its a ferry right? Just need a little info on getting there and good places to stay reasonably priced.

TIA.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2122323]Currently in Subic but I've had enough now, been there seen it done it etc etc, thinking of heading to Sabang on the 1st or 2nd Jan. As I fly out of MNL on the 9th so a week in Sabang sounds like good option.

What's my travel options getting to Sabang? I know I can get a bus to manilla from Subic and then its a ferry right? Just need a little info on getting there and good places to stay reasonably priced.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Tropicana castle dive resort is very close to the bars and is very inexpensive. I think I got the queen deluxe which was pretty good for approx $30. I would stay there again happily. Mermaids (across the street) is much more pricier but not much better.

Getting there from sSubic will be a challenge but don't know of another option. When you get to the pier in bantangas let a tout help you get through the maze of fees and ticket purchases. That's what I did anyway. The boat ride is 90 minutes.

The women (BGs) are a little more giving of their time so beach trips w / them are possible. You can rent a boat for snorkeling / sightseeing for around $20 a half day.

A week there would be a lot for me as I do not dive but if I did a week would be perfect. There's a lot there to explore.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2122323]Currently in Subic but I've had enough now, been there seen it done it etc etc, thinking of heading to Sabang on the 1st or 2nd Jan. As I fly out of MNL on the 9th so a week in Sabang sounds like good option.

What's my travel options getting to Sabang? I know I can get a bus to manilla from Subic and then its a ferry right? Just need a little info on getting there and good places to stay reasonably priced.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Dude, you can get trike, bus, trike, bus, Jeepnee, bus, trike, taxi, trike, bunka, walk for an all day trip or you can spend an extra Barfine and get the seaplane direct or worst case one stop.

[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2122323]Currently in Subic but I've had enough now, been there seen it done it etc etc, thinking of heading to Sabang on the 1st or 2nd Jan. As I fly out of MNL on the 9th so a week in Sabang sounds like good option.

What's my travel options getting to Sabang? I know I can get a bus to manilla from Subic and then its a ferry right? Just need a little info on getting there and good places to stay reasonably priced.

TIA.[/QUOTE]This has been described in great detail in earlier posts. Bus to Manila, then a bus to Batangas port, then a ferry.

I am seeking clarification or confirmation as to whether or not Atlantis Dive Resort in Puerto Galera / Sabang is girl-friendly. I have contacted the resort in order to learn their policy on bar girls, but I would also appreciate independent sources of information on this point. Has anyone brought a bar girl back to a room there without incident?

It is, taken girls back almost every night I have stayed there. Honestly I would be shocked that anyplace in sebang was not girl friendly.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2123778]I am seeking clarification or confirmation as to whether or not Atlantis Dive Resort in Puerto Galera / Sabang is girl-friendly. I have contacted the resort in order to learn their policy on bar girls, but I would also appreciate independent sources of information on this point. Has anyone brought a bar girl back to a room there without incident?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2124252]It is, taken girls back almost every night I have stayed there. Honestly I would be shocked that anyplace in sebang was not girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the confirmation. I also heard back from them directly and they said that the girl just needs to give her name and identify the bar where she works. I wonder what they would do, though, for independent girls that do not work for or at a given bar.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2123778]I am seeking clarification or confirmation as to whether or not Atlantis Dive Resort in Puerto Galera / Sabang is girl-friendly. I have contacted the resort in order to learn their policy on bar girls, but I would also appreciate independent sources of information on this point. Has anyone brought a bar girl back to a room there without incident?[/QUOTE]I often read on the board (Phils / Thailand / etc) how guys ask hotels by mail or email what is their policy on bar girls or joiners etc being in the rooms?

If I was a hotel owner / manager I would be very wary of putting my policy in writing in a reply to an anonymous request given that the hotel is setting down its policy on prostitution in writing. Many countries have rules about this and they might be seen to be incriminating themselves.

When guys get a negative response from a hotel it is usually a simple case of a hotel covering its backside.

It has been said over and over on this board that if you book for 2 persons then you don't need to ask about having an extra person in the room. I don't know any hotels that have a pricing policy that distinguishes between 1 or 2 persons in a room. It's always assumed there will be 2 UNLESS you explicitly book a single room in which case you may well get a small bed or 2 single beds. I always put "2 persons" when I book a room so that my request for a big bed will be met.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2124780]......

If I was a hotel owner / manager I would be very wary of putting my policy in writing in a reply to an anonymous request given that the hotel is setting down its policy on prostitution in writing. Many countries have rules about this and they might be seen to be incriminating themselves.

When guys get a negative response from a hotel it is usually a simple case of a hotel covering its backside.

......[/QUOTE]Even a phone call would get the "official" line.

FWIW I have never been denied bring a guest to my hotel room except in Dubai and there only at one hotel that my company forced me to use. Otherwise, I stayed in Dubai at known places where I know I can bring a guest. Elsewhere I always book for 2. Saves any hassles later and guaranteed a bigger bed.

Worst that has ever happened is that my guest has been asked for ID. Occasionally when my guest leaves the desk calls my room asking if it is OK for her to leave. The guest ID is for my protectio0 n as well s the hotel's and is not an issue for me.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2124780]I often read on the board (Phils / Thailand / etc) how guys ask hotels by mail or email what is their policy on bar girls or joiners etc being in the rooms?

If I was a hotel owner / manager I would be very wary of putting my policy in writing in a reply to an anonymous request given that the hotel is setting down its policy on prostitution in writing. Many countries have rules about this and they might be seen to be incriminating themselves.

When guys get a negative response from a hotel it is usually a simple case of a hotel covering its backside.

It has been said over and over on this board that if you book for 2 persons then you don't need to ask about having an extra person in the room. I don't know any hotels that have a pricing policy that distinguishes between 1 or 2 persons in a room. It's always assumed there will be 2 UNLESS you explicitly book a single room in which case you may well get a small bed or 2 single beds. I always put "2 persons" when I book a room so that my request for a big bed will be met.[/QUOTE]Yes, I considered that possibility, which is why I sought independent confirmation on this forum. By the same token, I also considered the possibility that a hotel or resort operator might misrepresent their policy in another way in order to get business, I. E. They tell you that it is girl-friendly in order to encourage you to stay there, only to find out when you get there that it is not. Hence the value of seeking confirmation from forum members that have actually stayed there and brought back girls.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2126658]Yes, I considered that possibility, which is why I sought independent confirmation on this forum. By the same token, I also considered the possibility that a hotel or resort operator might misrepresent their policy in another way in order to get business, I. E. They tell you that it is girl-friendly in order to encourage you to stay there, only to find out when you get there that it is not. Hence the value of seeking confirmation from forum members that have actually stayed there and brought back girls.[/QUOTE]Mate, there are two things going for Puerto Gallera.

1. Deep sea diving.

2. Deep muff diving.

So you spend your day time in the ocean and nighttime drilling pussy. There are hundreds of prostitutes in this little hamlet and they work in the 8 bars. Every single hotel is girl friendly. Some places will ask your companion to sign in, but that's good for your safety.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2123778]I am seeking clarification or confirmation as to whether or not Atlantis Dive Resort in Puerto Galera / Sabang is girl-friendly. I have contacted the resort in order to learn their policy on bar girls, but I would also appreciate independent sources of information on this point. Has anyone brought a bar girl back to a room there without incident?[/QUOTE]As a 3rd time visitor to Sabang in the last 5 years I concur with the other posts the hotels / resorts are girl friendly. I have stayed in 3 different places and never a problem. Will be heading there end of Feb for a couple of weeks. This time I am lining up some DIA action. The bars are good but I am a "nervous Nellie" when it comes to the sweeties in the bar and avoiding any STD issues.

Sabang is a lot of fun and hope you have a great time. Enjoy.

Last week I found a keeper in Butuan City. I visited a downtown videoke bar located near Saint Joseph Institute of Technology and struck up a conversation with 3 young lasses who were occupying a table and sharing a big bottle of Red Horse. I started getting chummy with easily the prettiest of the bunch, a 19 year old technology student with no kids and curvy in all the right places. After an hour of beer, snacks, and singing, I popped the question. Luckily she was ready for action, and her price was a mere 700 pesos. She appeared a bit nervous because she'd never before been in the company of a westerner, but the service turned out to be superb. She was definitely pretty, sexy, and skilled enough to work in most Angeles City, Subic, or Manila bars.

Last night I texted her and asked if she wanted to meet again, and she readily accepted my invite. I picked her up in my car and she greeted me like a long-lost friend, with no nervousness at all. While driving toward the short-time hotel, I asked her for a hug and she threw her arms around me and started sticking her tongue down my throat while I was driving. So I got a bit bolder and pulled down my pants and motioned that I wanted her mouth to get busy. What I got was the most amazing deep-throated BBBJ I've ever had while my right hand played with her luscious derriere. No gag reflex at all. I don't know how I kept from sideswiping a multi-cab or tricycle cab, but I managed to keep enough concentration on the road to get us there safely.

She had some trepidation about allowing me to take photos, but she really enjoyed posing for the camera while fully clothed. No nudie shots allowed, darn it all. Good sized boobs for a Pinay, with no discernible belly fat and a nice naturally-rounded butt. 700 pesos plus 200 for the room. No tip asked, she didn't even ask for any snacks.

Butuan is not the easiest place to find quality action, so I feel blessed to have stumbled across this one.

[QUOTE=KeenEyeJoe;2141191] I picked her up in my car and she greeted me like a long-lost friend, with no nervousness at all. While driving toward the short-time hotel, I asked her for a hug and she threw her arms around me and started sticking her tongue down my throat while I was driving. So I got a bit bolder and pulled down my pants and motioned that I wanted her mouth to get busy. What I got was the most amazing deep-throated BBBJ I've ever had while my right hand played with her luscious derriere. No gag reflex at all. I don't know how I kept from sideswiping a multi-cab or tricycle cab, but I managed to keep enough concentration on the road to get us there safely..[/QUOTE]Not very responsible at all driving like that.

Introduction.

I went to Puerto Galera for the first week of a longer trip to the Philippines in January 2018. The purpose of this trip was scuba diving, with some light mongering in Puerto Galera on the side. The diving there and elsewhere was excellent. The mongering in Puerto Galera was, with two major exceptions, of low quality and consistent with what I had read about it on this thread in my pre-trip research. Although some of my observations differed slightly. My observations come with the caveat that this trip was my first trip to East Asia, and Asian girls have historically been low on my list of priorities, so I would appreciate some feedback from seasoned Asia mongers (most of my overseas mongering thus far has been in Latin America and the Caribbean). I would not recommend Puerto Galera as the destination of a dedicated mongering trip, but if you are a diver who wants some light mongering on the side at a quality diving destination, it is one of only a few such places in the world.

Logistics.

I flew to Manila on a direct Philippine Airlines flight from JFK, with one stop in Vancouver. It was both the cheapest and and the most convenient flight that I could find. The flight itself was fine, except for the weight restrictions on carry-on luggage. My resort arranged my transfer from Manila to Puerto Galera.

I stayed at Atlantis Puerto Galera, the town's most respected dive resort which is also girl-friendly. One must bring the girl to the reception desk to sign in if you bring her back late (after 9-10 pm or so). There were no joiner fees. The night watchman found it amusing that I brought back a girl every night. He made a point of covering up my registrations of other girls on previous nights with his hand, so that the new girls would not see how busy I had been when they registered. All but one of the girly bars in the surrounding neighborhood of Sabang are within a five-minute walk from Atlantis.

The Girly Bars.

The standard total cost of a girl in the Sabang girly bars is 3000 pesos: 1500 to the house as a barfine when you leave with her, and 1500 to her whenever she leaves your hotel. I got the impression that they are in theory supposed to stay all night and leave in the morning, but I found that the duration of their stay often varied in practice, and in some cases I actually wanted them to leave earlier.

The girly bars include Coco Lips, Midnight, Quantum, Hammerhead, Broadway, Sabang Disco, Philippines Village Disco, and an eighth one whose name I cannot recall. All of them are very close to each other, except for the eighth bar whose name I cannot recall, which was further away. Midnight and Quantum, which are right on top of each other, are probably the most upscale bars and had, in my opinion, the best selection of girls and the best atmosphere. I believe that they have the same ownership, as well as the eighth bar whose name I cannot recall. They had similar atmospheres and thecor, with some of the girls wearing uniforms. The remaining girls from the eighth bar whose name I cannot remember relocated to Midnight and Quantum when it closed.

I would rate Coco Lips as the next best bar, with a good selection of girls but a rather small and cramped space. The other bars were rather unimpressive in comparison, with Broadway as the best of those other bars. Philippines Village Disco and Sabang Disco struck me as rather grungy and had the least appealing selection of girls. Hammerhead was deserted the one time that I visited it. Freelancers are also available in the bar / restaurant of the Big Apple Dive Resort, but I did not see any girls that caught my eye whenever I walked by it on the way to the girly bars. There were also "girls" hanging out across the street from the Big Apple Dive Resort, but they appeared to be ladyboys.

There was no cover charge at any of these bars. I abstained from alcohol because it does not go well with diving or with mongering, in my opinion. I drank sodas instead, which usually cost between 80 and 95 pesos per can. Girly drinks, which I usually purchased when a girl interested me enough to interview her, may have been about 250 pesos, give or take. Smoking is common in the girly bars.

The Girls.

The received wisdom is that it is best to go to the girly bars early, ideally at or before 7 pm, in order to have the best and widest selection of girls, as I learned in my pre-trip research on this thread. Other mongers corroborated this view when I spoke to them in person. Sabang caters in large part to Korean and Chinese visitors, who usually go early and pick the girls that they prefer for dinner and the rest of the night, leaving a smaller and supposedly less impressive selection later at night.

I question the received wisdom that the best girls disappear early, which may depend on various guys' differing tastes in women. The one night that I went earlier, I did not see any girls that impressed me any more than those that I saw on other nights, when I went later. I also noticed that the Asian mongers often picked from the small number of girls that the mamasans presented or "recommended" to them shortly after they entered the bars, rather than taking the time to scan the bars and choose girls on their own. The girls that the Asian mongers picked did not strike me as any more attractive than the others, so perhaps their taste in women differs from mine for cultural reasons. I did, however, occasionally see Caucasian mongers with girls that I might have barfined if I had seen them first. In any event, I had low expectations for the mongering there, and what I saw that first night confirmed those expectations, so I stuck to my priority: diving, including night dives, which were much better than the mongering. I went to the bars after the night dives, at around 8-9 pm, which still left a fairly wide selection.

The fundamental issue may have been that most Filipinas or Asian girls in general may not be a good fit for my personal taste. I am a tits & ass kind of guy, with a taste for the kind of voluptuous and often fiery women that one finds in Colombia, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. Naturally, such preferences make it harder to find an Asian girl that suits one's tastes. I did find one girl with very big tits and a Latina-style ass; she said that she did not get many barfines because she was "chubby," I. E. She was not rail-thin like most of the other girls and instead had a curvy (but fit) and shapely figure.

I had thought that Puerto Galera might be a good place to experiment with Asian mongering without dedicating all or part of a trip to it, since I did not know how much the girls would appeal to me (which was one reason I did not go to Angeles City). I thought that perhaps the dose of Spanish genes and culture in the Philippines would make the girls more appealing, and I did see a few girls (including one that I pulled) that looked more Latina or Indian than Asian. I wonder if I would have found the girls in the mongering mecca of Angeles City more appealing, or if Filipinas are simply not my cup of tea.

The mamasans could be a bit pushy in "recommending"girls to me and seemed irritated when I rejected their repeated "recommendations," as if I were not serious about pulling girls. The girls that the mamasans "recommended" were usually among the least attractive in the bar at that time, which was probably why the mamasans were recommending them; I wonder if they would have gotten any business otherwise. I understand that the mamasans want to generate business for those girls, but what do they expect when they "recommend" the least attractive girls? Maybe they are used to the Asian mongers accepting whatever the mamasans put in front of them, instead of picking girls on their own.

Some of the girls approached me out of the blue to "recommend" other girls to me, who were usually less attractive than them. In fact, one girl approached me out of the blue to "recommend" another girl, but I ended up pulling the recommending girl instead. I am curious about the motivation for this practice, as I would think that the girls would have a financial interest in recommending themselves instead. Perhaps they wanted to do favors for less successful friends of theirs, or perhaps they wanted to play mamasan, as one girl's comment implied, if I understood her correctly.

I had low expectations for the quality of the service in Sabang, based on my pre-trip research on this thread, and the service was often about as low in quality as I expected. The most glaring problem was that some girls simply would not give blowjobs at all. The fact that something so fundamental is even open to question reflects poorly on the quality of service there. A hooker that does not give blowjobs is like a sandwich without bread. With that said, all of those that offered blowjobs offered BBBJ, so CBJ was not an issue. Full service was always covered; there was no bareback in that arena.

I pulled five different girls on seven nights in a row from Coco Lips, Midnight, and Quantum none from any of the other bars that I visited. Three of them (two from Midnight and one from Quantum) were complete duds and left early (two of them at my suggestion). The other two were solid performers; I have forgotten their names, but I have attached their photos. I would recommend barfining these two if and when you see them in Sabang, as quality service may be hard to find there.

I barfined one girl from Coco Lips three times, given the lack of appealing alternatives. She is the thinner one in the striped dress who looks almost Latina and she fucked like a Latina too. She made so much noise that I was worried that it would disturb other guests. She delivered a persuasive GFE and gave lengthy, sensual BBBJs. She had a very tight pussy and rode me vigorously. She struck me as both a genuinely sweet girl and a sex fiend at the same time a great combination.

I barfined the other girl in the cut-off jeans from Midnight; I would have repeated with her but could not find her on subsequent nights. She had much more tits & ass than most of the other girls that I saw in the bars (which may not be clear from the photo because of her clothes) and unusually silky smooth skin. She could work and twerk her booty like a Latina and gave good BBBJs too.

Conclusion.

I went to Puerto Galera for the diving; in that regard it exceeded my expectations, and I would highly recommend it. The local mongering scene in the neighborhood of Sabang was just icing on the cake and not attractive enough in and of itself to visit it for that reason. Indeed, given the choice between the night dives and getting to the bars early enough for prime time mongering, I chose the night dives instead. Good diving and good mongering rarely coexist at the same levels in the same place; Curaao is the only such place that I have found thus far. Sint Maarten may have been such a place as well until the hurricanes destroyed it last year. Cozumel and Bonaire are quality Caribbean diving destinations with moderately good and modest chica bars, respectively. Sosua and Cartagena are both top mongering destinations, but the quality of the diving in those places is low and abysmal, respectively.

Can anyone suggest other Asian destinations with both good diving and good mongering? Thailand is on my list for both mongering and diving, but I think that I would split my time between mongering in Bangkok and diving on a live aboard in the Andaman Sea. What about Phuket or Pattaya?

In any event, the quality of the mongering scene in Sabang may not have mattered at the end of the day if Filipinas are simply not my cup of tea for physical and cultural reasons. Such concerns and the dearth of daytime non-mongering activities in Angeles City were why I did not visit that mongering mecca during this trip. I will probably return to the Philippines for diving in the future and wonder if I should add a stop in Angeles City. I wonder if a wider selection there would make it easier to find girls that suit my personal tastes, and perhaps I would find a higher quality of talent and service there. The very positive experiences that I had with those two girls whose pictures I have attached piqued my interest, and I might be willing to give mongering in the Philippines another chance if I could find something to do in Angeles City during the day, other than gambling.

Thank you for the extensive report. I am leaving for Sabang on Saturday for about 2 weeks for diving. This is my 3rd time in about 6 years and I agree the talent there is really hit or miss. I am there for the diving so my night excursions are limited but sometimes you hit upon one that fits the bill. I have a couple of DIA girls lined up. Not going to push them but if they want a roll in the hay after a nice dinner I won't refuse. I will send a report in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2144666]Introduction.

I went to Puerto Galera for the first week of a longer trip to the Philippines in January 2018. The purpose of this trip was scuba diving, with some light mongering in Puerto Galera on the side. The diving there and elsewhere was excellent. The mongering in Puerto Galera was, with two major exceptions, of low quality and consistent with what I had read about it on this thread in my pre-trip research. Although some of my observations differed slightly. My observations come with the caveat that this trip was my first trip to East Asia, and Asian girls have historically been low on my list of priorities, so I would appreciate some feedback from seasoned Asia mongers (most of my overseas mongering thus far has been in Latin America and the Caribbean). I would not recommend Puerto Galera as the destination of a dedicated mongering trip, but if you are a diver who wants some light mongering on the side at a quality diving destination, it is one of only a few such places in the world.

Logistics.

I flew to Manila on a direct Philippine Airlines flight from JFK, with one stop in Vancouver. It was both the cheapest and and the most convenient flight that I could find. The flight itself was fine, except for the weight restrictions on carry-on luggage. My resort arranged my transfer from Manila to Puerto Galera.

I stayed at Atlantis Puerto Galera, the town's most respected dive resort which is also girl-friendly. One must bring the girl to the reception desk to sign in if you bring her back late (after 9-10 pm or so). There were no joiner fees. The night watchman found it amusing that I brought back a girl every night. He made a point of covering up my registrations of other girls on previous nights with his hand, so that the new girls would not see how busy I had been when they registered. All but one of the girly bars in the surrounding neighborhood of Sabang are within a five-minute walk from Atlantis.

The Girly Bars..[/QUOTE]

This was an excellent report. Looks like the quality has dropped somewhat from the one and only trip I mongered in Sabang. Met my first Filipina GF there in Broadway (photos below) in 2005. I would submit that Phuket should have a decent combination of diving and girls. Had a great time there doing both in 1991, and I would imagine that there are more girls now. There was decent diving at a couple nearby islands (Ko Racha Noi and Ko Racha Yai), and there is less clear but supposedly interesting diving at the nearby spots Shark Point and Anemone Reef. There were plenty of cute working girls in the local bars and discos at Patong Beach, and even some great looking girls in the private houses w / mamasans of Phuket Town.

I remember a crystal clear drift dive over a staghorn coral forest at one of the Racha islands that was superb, only marred by my rented BC's valve sticking and filling up with air, all while being charged by a Titan triggerfish as I drifted over its nest. Was pretty funny when I look back on it. This dive was in 1996.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2144666]Introduction.

I went to Puerto Galera for the first week of a longer trip to the Philippines in January 2018. The purpose of this trip was scuba diving, with some light mongering in Puerto Galera on the side. The diving there and elsewhere was excellent. The mongering in Puerto Galera was, with two major exceptions, of low quality and consistent with what I had read about it on this thread in my pre-trip research. Although some of my observations differed slightly. My observations come with the caveat that this trip was my first trip to East Asia, and Asian girls have historically been low on my list of priorities, so I would appreciate some feedback from seasoned Asia mongers (most of my overseas mongering thus far has been in Latin America and the Caribbean). I would not recommend Puerto Galera as the destination of a dedicated mongering trip, but if you are a diver who wants some light mongering on the side at a quality diving destination, it is one of only a few such places in the world.

>SNIP<

In any event, the quality of the mongering scene in Sabang may not have mattered at the end of the day if Filipinas are simply not my cup of tea for physical and cultural reasons. Such concerns and the dearth of daytime non-mongering activities in Angeles City were why I did not visit that mongering mecca during this trip. I will probably return to the Philippines for diving in the future and wonder if I should add a stop in Angeles City. I wonder if a wider selection there would make it easier to find girls that suit my personal tastes, and perhaps I would find a higher quality of talent and service there. The very positive experiences that I had with those two girls whose pictures I have attached piqued my interest, and I might be willing to give mongering in the Philippines another chance if I could find something to do in Angeles City during the day, other than gambling.[/QUOTE]Fabulous report mate, thanks!

Given your specific tastes, you might consider a stop in AC to experiment and find a couple of ladies that fit your tastes well, and then take them with you for the diving trip.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2123778]I am seeking clarification or confirmation as to whether or not Atlantis Dive Resort in Puerto Galera / Sabang is girl-friendly. I have contacted the resort in order to learn their policy on bar girls, but I would also appreciate independent sources of information on this point. Has anyone brought a bar girl back to a room there without incident?[/QUOTE]I can hardly image there would be an "incident" of any kind. But you're going to be noticed. I have no info on additional charge for BF girl. However. I made a point of checking out Atlantis while in Sabang to find out why the hell the dive prices were so much higher than anywhere else. My impression was they cater more to middle age western couples. Older clientele and I would have felt really awkward bringing a girl into this place. I didn't like the attitude of the dive staff when I questioned them about dive rates. They are by far the highest in all of Sabang. There are better places to stay and certainly better dive shops without an attitude that offer great diving. Big Apple is a safe place for girls and diving, but the accommodations are getting old and and restaurant service a bit slow. I got the best value further up the strip from Atlantis.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2156555]Big Apple is a safe place for girls and diving.[/QUOTE]After about 2 am, when everyone is staggering home from the nearbye bars, the pool out the back has often combined both. 😁.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2156555]but the accommodations are getting old[/QUOTE]There are newer rooms out the back. They are far better than the old front rooms but still nothing special.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2156555]restaurant service a bit slow. I got the best value further up the strip from Atlantis.[/QUOTE]The food comes in very large servings and quite tasty but yes, allow a few hours to be served and delivered. Especially if the place is busy. I'm not exaggerating.

In summary, the Big Apple is a shit hole. But it is a shit hole with a lot of character and in a great location where nothing is off the menu. They have catered to some wild impromptu guest parties.

Quality is definitely down, though the most frustrating part is that is has become a thing for the asian cliental (mostly korean) to go at the bar opening time of 7 and pull the best lookers often without even bothering with a drink.

Phuket is certainly better for girls, many more options. However the diving isn't that great, and from Patong Beach, to the pier to the dive site is at least a couple hours, so much bigger commitment than in sebang.

[QUOTE=RubioTonto;2144735]This was an excellent report. Looks like the quality has dropped somewhat from the one and only trip I mongered in Sabang. Met my first Filipina GF there in Broadway (photos below) in 2005. I would submit that Phuket should have a decent combination of diving and girls. Had a great time there doing both in 1991, and I would imagine that there are more girls now. There was decent diving at a couple nearby islands (Ko Racha Noi and Ko Racha Yai), and there is less clear but supposedly interesting diving at the nearby spots Shark Point and Anemone Reef. There were plenty of cute working girls in the local bars and discos at Patong Beach, and even some great looking girls in the private houses w / mamasans of Phuket Town.

I remember a crystal clear drift dive over a staghorn coral forest at one of the Racha islands that was superb, only marred by my rented BC's valve sticking and filling up with air, all while being charged by a Titan triggerfish as I drifted over its nest. Was pretty funny when I look back on it. This dive was in 1996.[/QUOTE]

Even though I have spent a number of trips in sebang I have never searched out any daytime options. Usually too busy diving to bother, or have the number of a previous nights takeout to call. However this upcoming trip will have spent nearly 2 days traveling and get in a bit early wouldn't mind a little piney action pre dinner. Anyone had any experience with daytime action in sebang?

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2157995]Even though I have spent a number of trips in sebang I have never searched out any daytime options. Usually too busy diving to bother, or have the number of a previous nights takeout to call. However this upcoming trip will have spent nearly 2 days traveling and get in a bit early wouldn't mind a little piney action pre dinner. Anyone had any experience with daytime action in sebang?[/QUOTE]If your going to Sebang and it may be hard to find anyone actually. Now if your going to Sabang most clubs are don't open to 700 ish but there are a few bars like Big Apple, and a sportsbar up the street about a 1000 meters from the Sabang Pier. My past has always been the girl from the nigh before if she was worth another night, best of luck.

[QUOTE=BusyDiver;2158337]My past has always been the girl from the nigh before if she was worth another night, best of luck.[/QUOTE]Pretty standard practice in Sabang to barfine, have a night session or two then let her sleep in in the morning while you go out diving. Back for another round before lunch and then another after lunch if you see fit letting her go home and get ready for work at 3 ish that tends to fill in the afternoon pretty well. 😁.

If you want the to arrive in the afternoon rather than stay the night before, just tell them in the bar to come around at 3 pm or whenever you want. Other options are get numbers in the bars then cold call at lunchtime. Note that many girls may still be with last night's John. I've found simply stopping the off duty girls walking around the streets is the most reliable as the girls are totally unreliable at meeting phone or night before bookings. A seat at the Big Apple over looking the footpath offers a look vantage point.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2156573]After about 2 am, when everyone is staggering home from the nearbye bars, the pool out the back has often combined both. 😁.

There are newer rooms out the back. They are far better than the old front rooms but still nothing special.

The food comes in very large servings and quite tasty but yes, allow a few hours to be served and delivered. Especially if the place is busy. I'm not exaggerating.

In summary, the Big Apple is a shit hole. But it is a shit hole with a lot of character and in a great location where nothing is off the menu. They have catered to some wild impromptu guest parties.[/QUOTE]Good summary, LOL.

I noticed the other rooms when I stayed there for about three nights. Ordering breakfast before scuba diving didn't work out very well for anyone, ever, unless you pre-ordered the night before.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2159468]Good summary, LOL.

I noticed the other rooms when I stayed there for about three nights. Ordering breakfast before scuba diving didn't work out very well for anyone, ever, unless you pre-ordered the night before.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there the large rooms were full of Pinoy families inc kids and grandma. Definitely made it a little uneasy walking around with Ms Rightnow. Is that still the case or are they back to the usual punters?

This province is very conservative. Prostitution is frowned upon. But there are still ways to find girls. I had ask a security guard of a hotel. He referred me to mamasan. Mamasan took the girl to the meeting place. I did not like the mamasan as she ask me for a snack right off the bat.

Not a very nice way to start a good professional relationship. It turns out that my girl knows a lot of girls and hook me up with a working mamasan. This mamasan carries around a cellphone with pictures of girls. The girls were mostly 8's some 9's. One was a local beauty pageant contestant.

Nolz, where in Bohol were you? Tagbilaran?

The last few trips I brought a girl with me. If I didn't have that option, I'd probably try the online sites. Nevertheless, thanks for sharing your experiences.

When I first went to Alona Beach (Panglao Island) over ten years ago, I loved it. Sadly, it has become a tourist trap. My favorite watering hole has been torn down. My favorite hotel had a nice Thai restaurant, but now has set up a fresh fish option which brings a lot of extra noise, clutter, and even trash. There isn't much space for swimming as much of the water has become parking for the bancas.

Of course if you like a lot of noise and excitement, this is the place for you. And I have to admit, some of the young Western and Korean women walking about are gorgeous. If I were twenty years younger I would try to hit on some of the Koreans gals.

One alternative is Dumalung Beach which is also on Panglao Island. Not yet too commercialized. Lots of white sand. And it's a short ride to Alona beach if you want a bit more excitement or more shopping and restaurant options.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2161946]This province is very conservative. Prostitution is frowned upon. But there are still ways to find girls. I had ask a security guard of a hotel. He referred me to mamasan. Mamasan took the girl to the meeting place. I did not like the mamasan as she ask me for a snack right off the bat.

Not a very nice way to start a good professional relationship. It turns out that my girl knows a lot of girls and hook me up with a working mamasan. This mamasan carries around a cellphone with pictures of girls. The girls were mostly 8's some 9's. One was a local beauty pageant contestant.[/QUOTE]

Is there any foreigner friendly girly action in Iloilo City or is take your own? Is there anything at all which would keep a westerner amused in Iloilo for a few days? All the videos on the web only show family friendly stuff.

[QUOTE=XMan;2166217]Nolz, where in Bohol were you? Tagbilaran?

The last few trips I brought a girl with me. If I didn't have that option, I'd probably try the online sites. Nevertheless, thanks for sharing your experiences.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was mostly in Tagbilaran doing some business. I agree with your opinion about Alona beach. Its getting too crowded and a tourist trap. I did one of those island hopping tours. I thought the price was all in. When I arrived in Balicasag, there was another entrance fee and another fee for the boat if you want to go snorkling just few meters away from where your main boat is ducked.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2166697]Is there any foreigner friendly girly action in Iloilo City or is take your own? Is there anything at all which would keep a westerner amused in Iloilo for a few days? All the videos on the web only show family friendly stuff.[/QUOTE]You can find but is a small place (fewer) westerners and some feel a tad cautious about visiting the city now due to occasional local 'activity' by one group or another.

I took a cutie with me and I met a Iloilo girl in Cebu who was happier and more relaxed (as no one could see her with a foreigner in a hotel). But there are few guys there and I know one who at times lives just outside the city with his wife but he will never crap on his own doorstep. He goes to Cebu for that LOL.

Hotel are OK nothing to write home about.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2166811]Yes, I was mostly in Tagbilaran doing some business. I agree with your opinion about Alona beach. Its getting too crowded and a tourist trap. I did one of those island hopping tours. I thought the price was all in. When I arrived in Balicasag, there was another entrance fee and another fee for the boat if you want to go snorkling just few meters away from where your main boat is ducked.[/QUOTE]I had the same thing happen at Kalanggaman Island. Suddenly hit with a 500 peso fee that I had not been advised of.

Just back from a week explore trip and short answer is don't bother.

I am not a bar goer so there may be bars there that may offer some success but I don't know. My hunting strategy is Tinder, SA, PL and WeChat.

Almost nothing at all on Tinder locally. The couple of women on the site only one was worth a like and she never liked me back. Did get one good hit on Tinder. 30 years old but in Baguio. I drove up there and after a quick lunch we went to a drive in motel (Hollywood) where we fucked. I dropped her back at the SM Mall and didn't make it down the mountain before dark. Scary ride in the dark.

WeChat had about a dozen within 10 kms of me. Only 2 were worth a second look. I got one who was slim and low 20's. She had a serious scar on her belly, it was vertical almost from the top of her Bush to the bottom of her navel. She said it was an appendix scar. She was a good lay but had never given a BJ and only made a halfhearted attempt at one for about 30 seconds before giving up. Damage was 2 k and I asked her back once because of no other options.

The other had fake pictures, or at least 20 years and 20 lbs. Ago. She asked for 2 k as well but she at least gave a pretty good BJ.

The were a couple massage parlors found through google but they had bad reviews. I tried one on the highway just south of town (Next door to Girl Guides Philippines LOL) and it initially had promise. I went into a room with a fishbowl t0 select. Twin massage listed at 1 k. Picked the two best out of 10 available of the four that were actually looking at the window and smiling.

Massage started with a 3 way table shower. Nice body to body action to get started. On to the bed for the massage, it was not the best or not the worst but acceptable. After the flip asked about extra, offered 1 k for a HJ and they asked 2 k. I told them for 2 K I wanted to fuck both they refused and countered at '1500 for the HJ. Stuck to my 1000 and they accepted, with condition no touching. One was pretty good the other pretty bad at the HJ. They wanted to quit before I came but I insisted that the better one finish me off. I was not there long enough to go back but would only if no other options.

On SA there were several listed but the only one that replied in a week was actually in Manila. A lot of the women listing La Union as home were not active in the last few months.

Not much to do there. I hung around on a beach some but there were only families and little kids there. It is a place with nothing to offer tourists.

I might try a dedicated Baguio trip sometime later. There are a lot of universities there so the hunting on a dating site might be pretty good, especially when second installment of tuition is due.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2169611] I got one who was slim and low 20's. She had a serious scar on her belly, it was vertical almost from the top of her Bush to the bottom of her navel. She said it was an appendix scar.
[/QUOTE]Nice report. Good to hear your persistence and patience paid off.

That my friend is a classical Caesarian scar. It involves a long, vertical incision being made in the midline of the abdomen. Don't know why she lied.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2166885]You can find but is a small place (fewer) westerners and some feel a tad cautious about visiting the city now due to occasional local 'activity' by one group or another.

I took a cutie with me and I met a Iloilo girl in Cebu who was happier and more relaxed (as no one could see her with a foreigner in a hotel). But there are few guys there and I know one who at times lives just outside the city with his wife but he will never crap on his own doorstep. He goes to Cebu for that LOL.

Hotel are OK nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2169611]Just back from a week explore trip and short answer is don't bother.


but in Baguio. I drove up there and after a quick lunch we went to a drive in motel (Hollywood) where we fucked. I dropped her back at the SM Mall and didn't make it down the mountain before dark. Scary ride in the dark.

I hung around on a beach some but there were only families and little kids there. It is a place with nothing to offer tourists.

I might try a dedicated Baguio trip sometime later. There are a lot of universities there so the hunting on a dating site might be pretty good, especially when second installment of tuition is due.[/QUOTE]Have been to both Baguio and San Fernando and always brought a pinay with me for the reasons you noted in the FR. IF I find another there is a nice threesome and have a friend living there so he comes by for the odd session of knows a few cuties but these are off the radar so to speak. But Baguio has little interest for me, and the trip back is nasty in dark. SF La Union had a few nice places and beach resorts, basic but OK but there was limited outside interest IMHO so I would return only to see my friend who lives there (and enjoys a good slice of BDSM etc LOL) - only reason as I think better places in the country to go to.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2169650]Nice report. Good to hear your persistence and patience paid off.

That my friend is a classical Caesarian scar. It involves a long, vertical incision being made in the midline of the abdomen. Don't know why she lied.[/QUOTE]I thought that it may have something to do with her reproductive system just by the central location of it but hey, I'm not a doctor, I'm an engineer. LOL.

I am now in Butuan City and I want some action. Any suggestions aside from the streetwalkers near SJIT that have middlemen? I fucking hate those middlemen.

[QUOTE=CVialpando;2170721]I am now in Butuan City and I want some action. Any suggestions aside from the streetwalkers near SJIT that have middlemen? I fucking hate those middlemen.[/QUOTE]Boy. Aren't you in the wrong place (Butuan) to score. Must ask: Why did you go there? Try evenings (weekends best) at Woodstock bar.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2170839]Boy. Aren't you in the wrong place (Butuan) to score. Must ask: Why did you go there? Try evenings (weekends best) at Woodstock bar.[/QUOTE]I kinda live here now but I have to go back to Cagayan de Oro to study. Woodstock? Are there girls there that do pay for sex?

[QUOTE=CVialpando;2170843]Are there girls there that do pay for sex?[/QUOTE]Now that would be nice LOL.

[QUOTE=CVialpando;2170843]I kinda live here now but I have to go back to Cagayan de Oro to study. Woodstock? Are there girls there that do pay for sex?[/QUOTE]You could follow up Westie lead and let us know, go there ask if they accept payment for sex, how much and ask them if they do Greek also. Of course let us know, share and contribute. But neither place would be my first choice.

[QUOTE=CVialpando;2170843]I kinda live here now but I have to go back to Cagayan de Oro to study. Woodstock? Are there girls there that do pay for sex?[/QUOTE]I was going to PM you with details, but you don't have PM? Kinda live there? Are you pinoy?

WC.

I don't have PM because I am just a FREE member. How can I have the details Mr. WC? I have Filipino blood in me so that's why I kinda live here now. But I would go back to CdO for medical school.

[QUOTE=CVialpando;2171980]I don't have PM because I am just a FREE member. How can I have the details Mr. WC? I have Filipino blood in me so that's why I kinda live here now. But I would go back to CdO for medical school.[/QUOTE]Medical school is worth a response.

Woodstock Resto / Bar is on the Acquino highway, halfway between Gaisano Mall and the McDo on Montilla Blvd, at corner Ochoa Ave. Its a large place that is filled on the weekends with locals. Live band set / disco music set / repeat nightly. I doubt you will find freelancers there, just lots of locals drinking / dancing. There are some slightly more upscale videoke bars, but you don't find freelancers there either. Not much more in Butuan. On occasion I've been "Pssst!" from a girl on the street in the evening; once near Urios, and once between Robinson's and Dotties. Another time a young cutie (18-19-ish, form-fitting hip-hugger dress) brazenly chatted me up mid-day on the jeepney from that McDo on Montilla, along the highway, to Robinson's; so brazenly that she tried to invite herself into Robinson's with me when I said I was going to meet someone (one of my regulars) for noon tea. I say 'brazen' because she was clearly trying to get me to agree to let her hang around with me, and doing that in the province on a public jeep is a no-no. "Where you stay?" Right there, at Dottie's Hotel. "Ohh so nice hotel. I heard beautiful pool always I want to see it. I can see it this day maybe?" Stuff like that, and I was surprised that she hit me repeatedly with those kinds of things.

I have a couple of regular Butuanas who have graced the PG for many years now. This one is closer to 60 lbs than 70. CV, maybe you recognize?

My first time here. Love the clean fresh air, TREES and mountains. Previous outside blogs warned about bad winding roads to Baguio. Not true at all. Took the first class Victory Liner bus for 780 pesos on Labor Day holiday from Manila. 3 hours and 45 minutes later we are there non stop. First class has CR on board.

Staying in hotel in Camp John Hay. Great place and scenery, wouldn't know you were in Philippines! The weather is perfect. Cool in the mid 70's and some rain.

Some people might consider retirement here. I would if I was going to retire in PH. Especially to beat the summer heat and humidity. Only 3 hour or less bus ride to AC.

I didn't check out any mongering scenes but it looks doubtful. Bring your own.

Btw, no taxi scams here. They go by the meter.

I think I have found my retreat from AC, at least for a few days, then back to AC.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2175059]My first time here. Love the clean fresh air, TREES and mountains. Previous outside blogs warned about bad winding roads to Baguio. Not true at all. Took the first class Victory Liner bus for 780 pesos on Labor Day holiday from Manila. 3 hours and 45 minutes later we are there non stop. First class has CR on board.

Staying in hotel in Camp John Hay. Great place and scenery, wouldn't know you were in Philippines! The weather is perfect. Cool in the mid 70's and some rain.

Some people might consider retirement here. I would if I was going to retire in PH. Especially to beat the summer heat and humidity. Only 3 hour or less bus ride to AC.
[/QUOTE]Camp John Hay is a microcosm of the city and you're right Dg. You wonder if you are still in the Philippines. I go there often for work for 2 or 3 days each time. I enjoy the camp area too and always stay in hotels there but the hotels are full of filipino and korean family groups so breakfast is always a bit of a clusterf*ck.

I think Baguio has slipped dramatically in the past 10 years. It used to be paradise, and is still called Manila's summer capital. Nowadays I find the city center around the park to be noisy and full of jeepney fumes, and as more and more cars appear and they remove more trees to build high rises it will deteriorate further. Some magnificent old trees were ripped out to build the new SM.

Enjoy it while you can. Definitely wouldn't be my retirement destination long-term.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2175059]My first time here. Love the clean fresh air, TREES and mountains. Previous outside blogs warned about bad winding roads to Baguio. Not true at all. Took the first class Victory Liner bus for 780 pesos on Labor Day holiday from Manila. 3 hours and 45 minutes later we are there non stop. First class has CR on board.
......[/QUOTE]Try the road to the coast in La Union. Very windy and not at all fun in the dark.

Not much of a bar scene that I could find but lots of women on SA and Tinder. It may take some work but I'd bet you could set up a nice scholarship / live in arrangement with a student.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2175093]I think Baguio has slipped dramatically in the past 10 years. It used to be paradise, and is still called Manila's summer capital. Nowadays I find the city center around the park to be noisy and full of jeepney fumes, and as more and more cars appear and they remove more trees to build high rises it will deteriorate further. Some magnificent old trees were ripped out to build the new SM.[/QUOTE]I think the deterioration has been happening for much more than ten years. I was guided there 11 years ago by Filipino friends, and they said at the time that the numbers of big pine trees had been reduced dramatically from years past. What struck me were new buildings going up everywhere, including on near impossible building sites on steep hillsides. At the time there were still a few of the old pale yellow wooden military buildings from the old R&R days at John Hay. They had divided them into multiple units and were renting them out as vacation lodging. I would be surprised if they still exist. My photos of them were a big hit at home since my father-in-law (whom I never knew) had been stationed there in medical rehab in the waning days of WWII.

Any place anywhere has its positives and negatives. Most places have deteriorated over the years, at least subjectively. They are no longer like our memories tell us what they were before.

Baguio has been a retreat from the heat and 3rd worldness for me. I will be back to naughty pleasure in a few days fully recharged.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2175510]Most places have deteriorated over the years, at least subjectively.[/QUOTE]I wonder if part of the subjective deterioration stems from our own maturation. Many places seem like candy shops when we first experience them, but after some point we realize that life's box of chocolates actually contains a limited variety of flavors. There's a great line delivered by Christopher Plummer in the movie **Hector and the Search for Happiness**, in which he declares that the happiness of pursuit is a more practical undertaking than the pursuit of happiness.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2175557]I wonder if part of the subjective deterioration stems from our own maturation. Many places seem like candy shops when we first experience them, but after some point we realize that life's box of chocolates actually contains a limited variety of flavors. There's a great line delivered by Christopher Plummer in the movie **Hector and the Search for Happiness**, in which he declares that the happiness of pursuit is a more practical undertaking than the pursuit of happiness.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. People who complain about things not being what they used to be, are actually trying to recapture their initial experiences. You can't really do that. And there is no need to. They are more mongering destinations than you can shake a stick at.

It was 2 and a half years ago, that I got serious about mongering. It wasn't my first time. I'd lived in Germany, the UK and then in New York and I learned how sex could be bought. But, I was also young and usually found it more appealing to get it for free. That comes from being young. In the aftermath of my divorce and I've never gone to the same mongering destination twice in a row. There are too many new places to try. I first went to visit an old friend living in Berlin, which by chance happened to be the sex capital of Germany (though the FKK enthusiasts on ISG have not figured that out). It was new beginning and an alternative to trying to start dating American women again. Shortly afterwards, I visited Medellin, then later that year I visited Thailand, and then the DR. Last March I mongered in Kuala Lumpur and then onto Bali. Its all been a fun experience, and I've never been disappointed with any of trips, despite a few sub-par providers. It always a new experience when I go somewhere new. There are no previous experiences to compare the adventure to. And its always a thrill to try a different nationality of women, eat different food (except in Colombia), and drink different beers.

So, I am surprised so many guys keep going back to their old haunts, Pattaya, AC or the FKK clubs. What I do notice where disappointment is most often expressed is places like those, with a low-barrier to entry, easy accessible to English speakers and minimal requirements to adhere to local social norms. But, when things are so easy and there is limited risk, you are going to get bored or disappointed. That said, if you are unhappy with your last to AC or anywhere else, I think it pretty obvious what you need to do next.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2172104]Medical school is worth a response.

Woodstock Resto / Bar is on the Acquino highway, halfway between Gaisano Mall and the McDo on Montilla Blvd, at corner Ochoa Ave. Its a large place that is filled on the weekends with locals. Live band set / disco music set / repeat nightly. I doubt you will find freelancers there, just lots of locals drinking / dancing. There are some slightly more upscale videoke bars, but you don't find freelancers there either. Not much more in Butuan. On occasion I've been "Pssst!" from a girl on the street in the evening; once near Urios, and once between Robinson's and Dotties. Another time a young cutie (18-19-ish, form-fitting hip-hugger dress) brazenly chatted me up mid-day on the jeepney from that McDo on Montilla, along the highway, to Robinson's; so brazenly that she tried to invite herself into Robinson's with me when I said I was going to meet someone (one of my regulars) for noon tea. I say 'brazen' because she was clearly trying to get me to agree to let her hang around with me, and doing that in the province on a public jeep is a no-no. "Where you stay?" Right there, at Dottie's Hotel. "Ohh so nice hotel.[/QUOTE]WC,

I'm headed over in couple of months. I would love to meet that meaty box below.

[QUOTE=Schokolat;2187352]WC,

I'm headed over in couple of months. I would love to meet that meaty box below.[/QUOTE]Schokolat: When you get full PM function, contact me there.

W.

I know Sabang is not the number 1 spot for hunting but I go there first for the diving and then playtime. Just wondering if anyone has been there in the last month or so any changes to the bars that are open or closed. Probably same story on the Koreans, other comments that you would care to add.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=BusyDiver;2197519]I know Sabang is not the number 1 spot for hunting but I go there first for the diving and then playtime. Just wondering if anyone has been there in the last month or so any changes to the bars that are open or closed. Probably same story on the Koreans, other comments that you would care to add.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Been there in the beginning of May. Hope that is recent enough.

If you have been there last year some things changed:

Midnight moved closer to the other bars, it is now directly next to the stairs to the former Disco (which was upstairs, forgot the name).

The former disco seems now to be a "normal ladybar" too.

Some of the establishments raised their prices to 4000 Pesos.

Basically: Getting more expensive. Some changes. But still alive.

Since I am considering to go there again this year: Let us know what is going on there (change-wise and how it is in the. According to my knowledge - "off season".

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2175578]You are absolutely correct. People who complain about things not being what they used to be, are actually trying to recapture their initial experiences. You can't really do that. And there is no need to. They are more mongering destinations than you can shake a stick at.

....[/QUOTE]In 2038 today's newbies will be posting.

"Back in 2018, those were the good old days, it's nothing like that now, . ".

And in 2058 those 2038 newbies will be saying.

"Back in 2038, those were the good old days, it's nothing like that now, . ".

[QUOTE=Taiyuanguy;2199198]Been there in the beginning of May. Hope that is recent enough.

If you have been there last year some things changed:

Midnight moved closer to the other bars, it is now directly next to the stairs to the former Disco (which was upstairs, forgot the name).

The former disco seems now to be a "normal ladybar" too.

Some of the establishments raised their prices to 4000 Pesos.

Basically: Getting more expensive. Some changes. But still alive.

Since I am considering to go there again this year: Let us know what is going on there (change-wise and how it is in the. According to my knowledge - "off season".[/QUOTE]I am here now and of course it is very quiet compared to Feb 2018 on my last trip. The place upstairs is Quantum but it appeared with business down Midnight was closed so everyone went upstairs to Quantumm. I stopped into Philiipine Disco and a place called Cupid Lips. Again it is more quiet less Koreans running around raising prices. I had a BF from Cupid Lips last night and it as 3000 K so that is the same as it was over a year ago. I am not sure if Quantum is higher as I was not interested there. The ladies at Cupid lips tended to be a bit older and I prefer that anyway. For sure it is really quiet and to be honest I kinda like it.

The BF I had was sweet and not over the top attitude and stayed the night. Was nice and sweet but only had one pop and then I past out from the 4 dives during the day. She wasn't interested for another round in the morning so that was a disappointment. Had breakfast together and then she headed out.

I did see a few others in Cupid Lips that were a bit more slutty so I may try one of them before I head out the end of the week. Will post another update after my trip is over.

Appreciate the report of situation, busydiver!

Midnight being closed is a bit of a shame. Always has been one of my favorites.

About the "cupid lips" - is it a typo of "Coco lips" or is this a place that is new?

If new, in the same street as all the other bars?

Did short trip in June and short answer is don't bother.

Sabang become very congested look as it cover with some kind of cement as they build everywhere. I tried to use Wechat but 100 percent ladyboys. Some use real girls photos but when I asked them to bring ID they walk away from the meeting.

Walking around and saw nothing at all day and night. New 7-11 store successfully beat all other stores in price as there is not alternative for Hot cappuccino, water meals etc.

White beach was dead completely, absolutely nothing. I stay in a place for 900 php in Sabang and 1000 in WB.

I also visited angeles and Manila. Next time I will use dating sites. The bus back to manila had WIFI as its seems the norm in all busses. So the little paradise is gone comparing my previous experiences there.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2200328]Did short trip in June and short answer is don't bother.[/QUOTE]Oh damn. Really loved the small paradise there.

This was the best combination of diving and mongering that I have ever seen in the Philippines. Or any country.

Olongapo / Subic bay went down the drain in my opinion.

Cebu / Angeles was maybe not bad about the ladies but everything else pretty much lacking.

Manila is also not really a Mecca of diving and too pricy compared to the other places anywhere.

Any other experiences for a combination of diving + mongering would be highly appreciated, does not have to be in the Philippines.

Most of the other places seemed to focus more on one of these two.

Thanks for the Intel anyway.

Nearly 20 years ago, I would stop in Dagupan on my way to Baguio. There were some very inexpensive go go bars and the quality was overall pretty good. I haven't been to the PI since 2001. I stayed there for 9 months. I could go to "The Province. " and pretty much take up with anyone I wanted. After the 2nd meet, Pinay get pretty primed. Wet little creatures they are. After that, pros didn't do it for me.

I can't say anymore that its even there but, I preferred Dagupan to Cebu because it was less commercialized.

[QUOTE=Taiyuanguy;2200901]Any other experiences for a combination of diving + mongering would be highly appreciated, does not have to be in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Mombasa Kenya and Madagascar.

[QUOTE=MadaExpert;2201122]Mombasa Kenya and Madagascar.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Always was thinking about that area too some day.

Guess I should check the relevant forums in here but if you have an additional hint on more specific area: Let me know.

Highly appreciate.

[QUOTE=Taiyuanguy;2200901]Any other experiences for a combination of diving + mongering would be highly appreciated, does not have to be in the Philippines.


Thanks for the Intel anyway.[/QUOTE]I would say Bohol is good for diving. Be careful of some tourist trap though. As for mongering, you need to have some contacts of a handler. I was there 3 months ago.

[QUOTE=Nolz7;2201284]I would say Bohol is good for diving. Be careful of some tourist trap though. As for mongering, you need to have some contacts of a handler. I was there 3 months ago.[/QUOTE]Or you develop your own. Plenty girls in Bohol I know plus in Cebu who would go with a monger.

This post is asking or information.

I have tried to search the forums and I'm not finding any info on girls in this area. I see posts about beaches but not about girls.

So, are there any girly bars around here? Where would I go for any action?

I did read one post where there might be freelancers and I've contacted the OP for some details, but apart from that, doesn't seem to be any other info around.

[QUOTE=JPF;2086852]Moalboal is very small and has little nightlife. It is best to take your own which I did. There are a couple of places where you can get a drink and I have read that a couple of freelancers were seen there but it will be slim pickings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for any feedback.

Cheers,

Stevie.

[QUOTE=StevieW;2208241]This post is asking or information.

I have tried to search the forums and I'm not finding any info on girls in this area. I see posts about beaches but not about girls.

So, are there any girly bars around here? Where would I go for any action?

I did read one post where there might be freelancers and I've contacted the OP for some details, but apart from that, doesn't seem to be any other info around.

Thanks for any feedback.

Cheers,

Stevie.[/QUOTE]When I was there, PinaLove had several girls in Moalboal. Their photos looked good and they talked the talk with lots of fun offered.

I can't comment on performance as I didn't take up their offers but BYO'd from Cebu.

If all else failed either bring one or more from Cebu or it wouldn't be hard to get them to jump on the bus for 3 hrs.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2208360]When I was there, PinaLove had several girls in Moalboal. Their photos looked good and they talked the talk with lots of fun offered.

I can't comment on performance as I didn't take up their offers but BYO'd from Cebu.

If all else failed either bring one or more from Cebu or it wouldn't be hard to get them to jump on the bus for 3 hrs.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I got time so I'll start looking at PL again a couple of months before I head out.

But if anyone else does know of girly bars definitely existing there, then I'd be interested to get more info on those.

Cheers.

Arrived Bohol for a few days of sun and sand, Texted all day with a 23 year old to come see me at my resort in Alona Beach. She was hesitant but kept coming back to me saying Okay. I was very clear what the date was for and she was nervous because this was her first Poringer visit. I understand and gave her several texts to drop out if she didn't want to meet. But she carried on and she kept saying "I am nervous but OK I will do it" Probably texted 100 messages back and forth thru the day. Well, At the appointed time I had resort driver (1200 PHP) take me to pick her up. She was there hoped in van and off we went, she was trim and looked pretty good, a 7. Got to the resort, bought dinner (850 PHP) for us, ate, then to the room. Girl then says I can't do this. WTF. I berated her probably more severely than I should have but I was pissed and also thinking I might be able to get her feeling guilty and carry through with her promise. No Go at all, I gave her 500 PHP and she went to the concierge to get a taxi. I was seriously pissed.

I have found DIA to be a 50/50 proposition, half the girls are good for sex and half are not and it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort to work through them but clearly worth it if you have the patience at least it has been for me. To be honest it's also been a lot of fun hunting there.

My wife is from a small village in south cotabato. She has a neighbor who just turned 26 and is a real beauty. She has two young kids. She wants a BF. If this sounds interesting to you, pm me.

[QUOTE=Wjmpsr;2214987]....... just turned 26 and is a real beauty. She has two young kids. She wants a BF.....[/QUOTE]I think I know her from DIA? 5'1", long black hair, cute smile and a bit of an accent. . . 😉.

Said in jest so don't take offence. You have just described 80% of girls online so I wish your friend success but she's one amongst a lot of competition.

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2214939]Arrived Bohol for a few days of sun and sand, Texted all day with a 23 year old to come see me at my resort in Alona Beach. She was hesitant but kept coming back to me saying Okay. I was very clear what the date was for and she was nervous because this was her first Poringer visit. I understand and gave her several texts to drop out if she didn't want to meet. But she carried on and she kept saying "I am nervous but OK I will do it" Probably texted 100 messages back and forth thru the day. Well, At the appointed time I had resort driver (1200 PHP) take me to pick her up. She was there hoped in van and off we went, she was trim and looked pretty good, a 7. Got to the resort, bought dinner (850 PHP) for us, ate, then to the room. Girl then says I can't do this. WTF. I berated her probably more severely than I should have but I was pissed and also thinking I might be able to get her feeling guilty and carry through with her promise. No Go at all, I gave her 500 PHP and she went to the concierge to get a taxi. I was seriously pissed.

I have found DIA to be a 50/50 proposition, half the girls are good for sex and half are not and it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort to work through them but clearly worth it if you have the patience at least it has been for me. To be honest it's also been a lot of fun hunting there.[/QUOTE]You are in the field and only 2 reports?

I've had a few trips to Boracay and enjoyed the night scene on several occasions. I've had some worthy encounters there of the three visits, had to work at it. Memorables, the complete dump, Cocomangas Shooters bar, provided a drunken FL MILF gem for 900 php that proved quite entertaining. Another night, I took my hotel security guard up on his offer to get me 18 yo spinner. And sure enough, local girl, new to trade and quite horny was well worth 1500 php. I went out with my dive shop guys, some smaller local bar near Nu Noos, ended up with a okay looker with great see cups. But that's about it. The beach scene seemed to be 40/60% on ladyboys to girlls and quite confusing in dim lights. But the entire Island ordered closed last April. It sill looks like a war zone along all the main "streets". The new rules list is astonishing. No alcohol on the beach, no beach parties, no fire dancers, no smoking on the beach, no single use plastic on the island, no bar setups allowed on the beach side. LaboBarcay is no more. Remains to be seen about wg, I think they'll be all over that if any show up in the old haunts.

This is near comedy. The real possibility of "compulsory access bracelets that tourists must wear on their wrist for the duration of their stay"? "Tourists could also be required to register with an online database. ".

Lmfoa. Can you imagine if this was Pattaya, Angeles City and you stated the true purpose of your visit. ?

More buzz kill: " The reopened island will come with a complete smoking and drinking ban along all of its shoreline. Tourism chiefs say they want the future Boracay to be a "haven of peace" rather than a party island. " Mission accomplished. I'm sure as hell not planning on going back. They've even suspended scuba diving for now.

http://philippineslifestyle.com/access-bracelets-chilled-boracay/

Any one got any info on Sabang esp since banka stopped going direct to Sabang?

Apparently boat now to White Beach or PG? Cost of trike from PG or white beach to Sabang? Road is ok?

Specifically how is this affecting bars, scene and WG's in Sabang?

Any info appreciated.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2240318]Any one got any info on Sabang esp since banka stopped going direct to Sabang?

Apparently boat now to White Beach or PG? Cost of trike from PG or white beach to Sabang? Road is ok?

Specifically how is this affecting bars, scene and WG's in Sabang?

Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]Given the extra step and general root-around it makes the sea plane look even better.

It's the same price as a charter car and banka but turns a 3 HR trip into 30 minutes door to door.

I've also heard that some bars have upped their prices to 2+2k but haven't had this verified. Perhaps someone else can confirm this??

I am thinking of a trip to the renewed Boracay. Am looking at the Red Coconut Hotel, does anyone have any info on this place. Re: cleanliness, non-smoking rooms and etc. Actual first hand info please, sorry CM.

I've been stalking, oops I mean enthusiastiaclly perusing, FCupid and PLove and have come to the conclusion that girls from Zamboanga City are farking gorgeous. However, an online search indicates it's not a safe area to be roaming around looking for hot chicks.

Thinking that the DNA pool should spread to other nearby areas disappoints as girls in safer cities like Davao, CDO and GenSan, while pretty, do not have the same batting average.

So, how can I get to these girls without being beheaded or kidnapped? Alternatively is there another region that's has girls with similar features and of a consistently high standard?

Allah Akbar, G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2240588]I've been stalking, oops I mean enthusiastiaclly perusing, FCupid and PLove and have come to the conclusion that girls from Zamboanga City are farking gorgeous. However, an online search indicates it's not a safe area to be roaming around looking for hot chicks.

Thinking that the DNA pool should spread to other nearby areas disappoints as girls in safer cities like Davao, CDO and GenSan, while pretty, do not have the same batting average.

So, how can I get to these girls without being beheaded or kidnapped? Alternatively is there another region that's has girls with similar features and of a consistently high standard?

Allah Akbar, G.[/QUOTE]You can go in reasonable safety to Zamboanga but my advice is not to stay for more than 3 nights maximum. There's a hotel with excellent security literally 2 minutes from the airport, and I've stayed there several times but cannot remember its name. The Lantaca Hotel, which is on the water may look more appealing but it's less secure. Also remember that there are no taxis in Zamboanga; only jeeps and trikes, and you do not want to take those. So make sure the girls visit you. There's a decent Japanese restaurant in the hotel, and the food in the main dining area is totally unexciting but won't make you sick. I have wandered around the city during the day by myself, but never felt entirely safe.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2240627]You can go in reasonable safety to Zamboanga but my advice is not to stay for more than 3 nights maximum. There's a hotel with excellent security literally 2 minutes from the airport, and I've stayed there several times but cannot remember its name. The Lantaca Hotel, which is on the water may look more appealing but it's less secure. Also remember that there are no taxis in Zamboanga; only jeeps and trikes, and you do not want to take those. So make sure the girls visit you. There's a decent Japanese restaurant in the hotel, and the food in the main dining area is totally unexciting but won't make you sick. I have wandered around the city during the day by myself, but never felt entirely safe.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, thanks for that. It sounds like it might be better to make contact when I'm in Cebu and see if she / they want to come over for a week end or a few days. Cheap flights seem better than the potential risks for only 3 days.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2240627]You can go in reasonable safety to Zamboanga but my advice is not to stay for more than 3 nights maximum. There's a hotel with excellent security literally 2 minutes from the airport, and I've stayed there several times but cannot remember its name. The Lantaca Hotel, which is on the water may look more appealing but it's less secure. Also remember that there are no taxis in Zamboanga; only jeeps and trikes, and you do not want to take those. So make sure the girls visit you. There's a decent Japanese restaurant in the hotel, and the food in the main dining area is totally unexciting but won't make you sick. I have wandered around the city during the day by myself, but never felt entirely safe.
[/QUOTE]Between 1997 - 1999 I travelled regularly from Manila to Zamboanga for work and used to roam around the markets etc and even jog along the Esplanade. I always stayed at the Lantaka Hotel (mentioned by GE) as it was right on the water and offered a brilliant breakfast experience.

During one visit in 1999 a family that was staying at the hotel (a Dutch couple with 2 little girls) were abducted one morning from a small boat en route for a picnic to the sandy islands offshore, and this marked the start of the Abu Sayyaf terror reign and rent-seeking activities. The wife and kids were released after a few hours; the husband after a day or two.

I was advised to "get out of Dodge" and did so within 24 hours, and I have never returned. Since that date Zamboanga became a definite "no-go" zone, and even my filipino colleagues would no longer go there. We transferred all workshops and training activities to Davao, and asked participants to travel there instead.

The hotel near the airport mentioned by GE is "Garden Orchid" but it too was subject to a small bomb outside the entrance around 2003 or 4 so I would be careful about going anywhere near there too. In short, I have no desire to return to ZC and have refused all requests to do any work there.

FWIW, I have found many girls from ZC who were working in bars in CdO when I used to visit there regularly between 2002 - 2010. They do have a rather stunning ethnic mix, being a little darker than their northern sisters. Perhaps guys like Kong King and other CdO denizens can update us on the prevalence of ZC girls these days?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2240699]I have no desire to return to ZC and have refused all requests to do any work there.

FWIW, I have found many girls from ZC who were working in bars in CdO when I used to visit there regularly between 2002 - 2010. They do have a rather stunning ethnic mix, being a little darker than their northern sisters. Perhaps guys like Kong King and other CdO denizens can update us on the prevalence of ZC girls these days?[/QUOTE]Thanks RK (and the PMs I received). Its unanimous that going to ZC would be foolhardy. To be honest, I wouldn't enjoy being confined to a hotel and not being able to look around alone or with company.

It's a shame that with all the different body types available across the archepelagos, these are the ones that are out of reach. Having said that, yes there are millions more to choose from.

It would be good to hear if the ZC girls have migrated and become popular in bars in other areas.

Thanks again, G.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2240699]Between 1997 - 1999 I travelled regularly from Manila to Zamboanga for work and used to roam around the markets etc and even jog along the Esplanade. I always stayed at the Lantaka Hotel (mentioned by GE) as it was right on the water and offered a brilliant breakfast experience.

During one visit in 1999 a family that was staying at the hotel (a Dutch couple with 2 little girls) were abducted one morning from a small boat en route for a picnic to the sandy islands offshore, and this marked the start of the Abu Sayyaf terror reign and rent-seeking activities. The wife and kids were released after a few hours; the husband after a day or two.

I was advised to "get out of Dodge" and did so within 24 hours, and I have never returned. Since that date Zamboanga became a definite "no-go" zone, and even my filipino colleagues would no longer go there. We transferred all workshops and training activities to Davao, and asked participants to travel there instead.

The hotel near the airport mentioned by GE is "Garden Orchid" but it too was subject to a small bomb outside the entrance around 2003 or 4 so I would be careful about going anywhere near there too. In short, I have no desire to return to ZC and have refused all requests to do any work there.

FWIW, I have found many girls from ZC who were working in bars in CdO when I used to visit there regularly between 2002 - 2010. They do have a rather stunning ethnic mix, being a little darker than their northern sisters. Perhaps guys like Kong King and other CdO denizens can update us on the prevalence of ZC girls these days?[/QUOTE]I can certainly understand the reluctance, but just to clarify, the small bomb to which RK refers was not set off at the hotel. I was actually staying at the hotel the night that occurred. It was set off at the airport, and given the hotel's proximity to the airport, the noise of the explosion was heard at the hotel. And Goferring is probably right that it's no fun being confined to quarters for a couple of days, but that's the only way I'the feel safe.

GE.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2240588]I've been stalking, oops I mean enthusiastiaclly perusing, FCupid and PLove and have come to the conclusion that girls from Zamboanga City are farking gorgeous. However, an online search indicates it's not a safe area to be roaming around looking for hot chicks.

Thinking that the DNA pool should spread to other nearby areas disappoints as girls in safer cities like Davao, CDO and GenSan, while pretty, do not have the same batting average.

So, how can I get to these girls without being beheaded or kidnapped? Alternatively is there another region that's has girls with similar features and of a consistently high standard?

Allah Akbar, G.[/QUOTE]I've thought the same thing about Zambo girls for years and years, but thought it was just a personal quirk or just anecdotal. Its interesting to hear someone else say it.

Apparently they speak Chivocano dialect there which is close to Spanish and which I have a working grasp of. A Zambo girl once told me that there were still native Spanish speakers in Z, the last in the Phils, which seems to have forgotten about the 350 years as a colony. Maybe the ethnic makeup is different there. I'd love to go there but I don't want to get my head cut off. I abhor the idea of being confined to a small area also.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;2240833]I've thought the same thing about Zambo girls for years and years, but thought it was just a personal quirk or just anecdotal. Its interesting to hear someone else say it.

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Maybe the ethnic makeup is different there. I'd love to go there but I don't want to get my head cut off. I abhor the idea of being confined to a small area also.[/QUOTE]I've lived and worked in several Asian archipelagos and regions where terrain or isolation have lead to different areas producing people (girls) with strikingly different looks. Eg one area might have a tall slim population and another short and buxom. Surprisingly it can also produce regional attitudes and sexual skills as well. EG.

[URL]http://indonesiaexpat.biz/featured/the-big-squeeze/[/URL]

I'm no anthropologist and am not familiar enough with the different Philippine provinces to distinguish between the regions' different girls but yes, my quick sample brought up many Z girls that were ticking all my boxes. Unfortunately, while I'm a pretty adventurous traveler, no pussy is worth the risks involved.

On the positive side there are still millions more attractive girls than I will ever need in the PI so I will live to fight our noble battle else where. 😁.

Cheers, G.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2240318]Any one got any info on Sabang esp since banka stopped going direct to Sabang?

Apparently boat now to White Beach or PG? Cost of trike from PG or white beach to Sabang? Road is ok?.[/QUOTE]New Image,

The public drop off point can be PG / Balatero or White Beach or the Sea Plane to Elizabeth's. The road to Sabang is passable but a trike mafia has tripled the fee to get you and your gear to Sabang (the sea plane jetty to Sabang is now 400 p vs the normal 150 p). Expect a pretty major fuck around at any transfer point.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2240318]
Specifically how is this affecting bars, scene and WG's in Sabang?

Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]The PITA factor of the bangkas has changed the whole dynamic of Sabang. Numbers of tourists that used the public boats (read Westerners) have been decimated. Numbers of tourists that used packaged charter connections (read Chinese) have sky rocketed. Obviously this has a major affect on the bars and the target market of the girls.

Make up your own mind but it's not a place I'm rushing back to visit.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2240588]I've been stalking, oops I mean enthusiastiaclly perusing, FCupid and PLove and have come to the conclusion that girls from Zamboanga City are farking gorgeous. However, an online search indicates it's not a safe area to be roaming around looking for hot chicks.

Thinking that the DNA pool should spread to other nearby areas disappoints as girls in safer cities like Davao, CDO and GenSan, while pretty, do not have the same batting average.

So, how can I get to these girls without being beheaded or kidnapped? Alternatively is there another region that's has girls with similar features and of a consistently high standard?

Allah Akbar, G.[/QUOTE]I have communicated with the girl in the 4th photo on whatssapp where she wanted to video sexchat for money like so many of the pretty ones do. I did not oblige her. I was trying to find out if she had relatives in Cebu she visits and meet her there but no luck. Don't go to Zambo for all the reasons mentioned. Red Kilt probably saved my life by talking me out of it some years ago. Still, yes, lots of pretty ones.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2240717]Thanks RK (and the PMs I received). Its unanimous that going to ZC would be foolhardy. To be honest, I wouldn't enjoy being confined to a hotel and not being able to look around alone or with company.

It's a shame that with all the different body types available across the archepelagos, these are the ones that are out of reach. Having said that, yes there are millions more to choose from.

It would be good to hear if the ZC girls have migrated and become popular in bars in other areas.

Thanks again, G.[/QUOTE]There are some very well built women in those parts. Looks like you fellas have an appetite for the Yakan women. Be careful though. If their menfolk catch you sticking your non-halal Western cock into their women, they just may decide to shorten it for you. So, do not lose your head, the little one. LOL!

You will not find many Moro girls in bars, especially the Yakan, as their culture is more non-materialistic than the Waray from Samar who are often found in Angels City bars and have reputations for extreme greed and slavish devotion to their parents at the expense of foreign husbands and half-breed children.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2236898]This is near comedy. The real possibility of "compulsory access bracelets that tourists must wear on their wrist for the duration of their stay"? "Tourists could also be required to register with an online database. ".

Lmfoa. Can you imagine if this was Pattaya, Angeles City and you stated the true purpose of your visit. ?

More buzz kill: " The reopened island will come with a complete smoking and drinking ban along all of its shoreline. Tourism chiefs say they want the future Boracay to be a "haven of peace" rather than a party island. " Mission accomplished. I'm sure as hell not planning on going back. They've even suspended scuba diving for now.

http://philippineslifestyle.com/access-bracelets-chilled-boracay/[/QUOTE]The fuk? This legit? God dammit and I was thinking about stopping by too. Can't just have water, need girls too!

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2241363]The fuk? This legit? God dammit and I was thinking about stopping by too. Can't just have water, need girls too![/QUOTE]I will wait for real field reports before I decide on conjecture. That's the importance of posting reports.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2240318]Any one got any info on Sabang esp since banka stopped going direct to Sabang?

Apparently boat now to White Beach or PG? Cost of trike from PG or white beach to Sabang? Road is ok?
[/QUOTE]I am keeping my eye on this scubaboard thread.

[URL]https://www.scubaboard.com/community/threads/batangas-to-sabang-ferry-discontinued-july-1.563515/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241098]New Image,

The public drop off point can be PG / Balatero or White Beach or the Sea Plane to Elizabeth's. The road to Sabang is passable but a trike mafia has tripled the fee to get you and your gear to Sabang (the sea plane jetty to Sabang is now 400 p vs the normal 150 p). Expect a pretty major fuck around at any transfer point.

The PITA factor of the bangkas has changed the whole dynamic of Sabang. Numbers of tourists that used the public boats (read Westerners) have been decimated. Numbers of tourists that used packaged charter connections (read Chinese) have sky rocketed. Obviously this has a major affect on the bars and the target market of the girls.

Make up your own mind but it's not a place I'm rushing back to visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. Am thinking about a Phil trip soon and would like to do Angeles and a beach location. Seems Boracay is now F ed, Sabang is F ed, went to Subic Bay but hardly beach more like dirty bay. Any ideas? Bohol but BYO girl?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2241525]Thanks for the feedback. Am thinking about a Phil trip soon and would like to do Angeles and a beach location. Seems Boracay is now F ed, Sabang is F ed, went to Subic Bay but hardly beach more like dirty bay. Any ideas? Bohol but BYO girl?[/QUOTE]Bohol, Palawan, Siargao. BYOG.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2241525]Thanks for the feedback. Am thinking about a Phil trip soon and would like to do Angeles and a beach location. Seems Boracay is now F ed, Sabang is F ed, went to Subic Bay but hardly beach more like dirty bay. Any ideas? Bohol but BYO girl?[/QUOTE]Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I haven't been back for years but I'm getting almost daily reports from trustworthy (ex) residents that Sabang is waaaay down on western tourist numbers and that the tone of the town has changed considerably. Hopefully it is "AC is failing" again and I can be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Are you looking for beaches or diving? I'd agree that the pot of gold (beach, diving, and girls) is becoming very rare.

Diving / Beaches with girls: Dumaguette, Cebu.

Easy (ish) BYO options: Moalboal, Malapascua, Alona (all cebu imports).

BYO with effort: Coron (great diving but no beach).

Wildcard: Davao: stunning girls and islands / beaches / diving but girls and diving take a lot of preplanning. See my tongue in cheek post from my visit.

Many of the BYO options could be covered by web hookups but they take time and there are no certainties.

Of course Subic if you are a wreck head but vis and beach is shit and the bars can be morgue-like quiet.

Keep in touch with your plans and results. Sounds like we visit similar areas. Maybe we can meet up or swap info.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241554]Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I haven't been back for years but I'm getting almost daily reports from trustworthy (ex) residents that Sabang is waaaay down on western tourist numbers and that the tone of the town has changed considerably. Hopefully it is "AC is failing" again and I can be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Are you looking for beaches or diving? I'd agree that the pot of gold (beach, diving, and girls) is becoming very rare.

Diving / Beaches with girls: Dumaguette, Cebu.

Easy (ish) BYO options: Moalboal, Malapascua, Alona (all cebu imports).

BYO with effort: Coron (great diving but no beach).

Wildcard: Davao: stunning girls and islands / beaches / diving but girls and diving take a lot of preplanning. See my tongue in cheek post from my visit.

Many of the BYO options could be covered by web hookups but they take time and there are no certainties.

Of course Subic if you are a wreck head but vis and beach is shit and the bars can be morgue-like quiet.

Keep in touch with your plans and results. Sounds like we visit similar areas. Maybe we can meet up or swap info.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]One thing that I didn't mention was that AC has shown us that life is what you make it: one guy can go and lament the girls, attitudes and changing demographics while another guy will post that he had a great time.

Maybe the answer is just to turn up and deal with whatever is there. I'm sure there are still beaches, diving and girls. How it all fits together is up to the person on the ground.

Cheers, G.

Sounds real bad bro.

Thanks for info.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2241363]The fuk? This legit? God dammit and I was thinking about stopping by too. Can't just have water, need girls too![/QUOTE]

There is always the X houses in Sanur (wildly varying quality), the cheapest fucks on the planet ($16.75usd), combine with a scuba shop operating out of Sanur to terrific diving in Lembongan / Penida Island areas.

You will often find especially attractive and sexy profiles come from Zambo City. It seems to be the national HQ of the scam industry. Very few Westerners will go there so typically the "girls" you chat to from there will be looking for you to send money to buy a flight ++ so they can come and visit you. Occasionally this will be real but more often its a scam operated by Lady boys often using pics of see List Celebs / Models. If the "girl" has high quality pics with a model like face and plenty of skin and is from Zambo be especially wary.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2241554]Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I haven't been back for years but I'm getting almost daily reports from trustworthy (ex) residents that Sabang is waaaay down on western tourist numbers and that the tone of the town has changed considerably. Hopefully it is "AC is failing" again and I can be proven wrong but I doubt it.

Are you looking for beaches or diving? I'd agree that the pot of gold (beach, diving, and girls) is becoming very rare.

Diving / Beaches with girls: Dumaguette, Cebu.

Easy (ish) BYO options: Moalboal, Malapascua, Alona (all cebu imports).

BYO with effort: Coron (great diving but no beach)..[/QUOTE]

Planning to head there this Feb. Please share anything if you have been back since the opening, just the are&are scene. I heard that they put quota on daily visitors but I don't know how they do that when people already booked ahead. Thanks.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2244431]You will often find especially attractive and sexy profiles come from Zambo City. It seems to be the national HQ of the scam industry. Very few Westerners will go there so typically the "girls" you chat to from there will be looking for you to send money to buy a flight ++ so they can come and visit you. Occasionally this will be real but more often its a scam operated by Lady boys often using pics of see List Celebs / Models. If the "girl" has high quality pics with a model like face and plenty of skin and is from Zambo be especially wary.[/QUOTE]Two sites for pictures, google images and [URL]tineye.com[/URL] will scan the net for other copies of the same pictiures. Quick and easy to see if the pictures are downloaded from some celeb site.

Also first rule: Never send money to someone you have not met yet.

If you really want a girl to fly in to see you, have her send her ID to you. You want to make sure you get the spelling and birth date right. Then buy the ticket. You may still lose the price of the ticket, but she (or in some cases he) will not be able to pocket the money. If they try and cancel the money goes back to the original payment method.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2250112]Two sites for pictures, google images and [URL]tineye.com[/URL] will scan the net for other copies of the same pictiures. Quick and easy to see if the pictures are downloaded from some celeb site.[/QUOTE]I've never tried reverse image searches so I just did a dummy run for the first image that came up from googling "white male". You guessed it, poor bastard's face has been used multiple times on all the dating sites. 😲.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2250217]I've never tried reverse image searches so I just did a dummy run for the first image that came up from googling "white male". You guessed it, poor bastard's face has been used multiple times on all the dating sites. 😲.[/QUOTE]They picture with caption "Portland Candidate Berated For Being A White Male: "?

Sabang Beach in Puerto Galera is indeed a mini Korea Town, but worth visiting if you want to take part in both forms of diving. Scuba and muff. Unless you are into scuba diving, it's not worth going there for the girls alone.

I've just returned from there after a few days and here are my thoughts.

There are basically three ways to get there from Manila.

1. Sea plane. There is a daily (except Tuesday) sea plane service from Manila Bay to Puerto Galera. Price is 6,000 PHP one way and it's a 40 minute flight.

2. Car. Just hire a taxi to take you to Batangas Port. It should be 90 minutes by car. Then take the ferry to Muelle Pier. Not sure of the exact taxi price, but should be around 4,000 PHP.

3. Bus. Take the JAM bus line from Manila's Buendia bus station in Pasay to Batangas Port. Then get the ferry to Muelle Pier and then a trike to your hotel at Sabang Beach.

The ferry service no longer operates to Sabang Pier, so you need to go to Muelle Pier nowadays and take a trike to Sabang. They have closed Sabang Pier because they are building a waste water treatment plant on that site. A shit farm for Puerto Galera is long overdue. What hits you at Sabang beach is the constant stench of raw sewage. They are presently just pumping primary treated sewage right at the beach, and you can see a thick film of greasy black stuff on the shore. I saw kids playing in the water there. It can't be doing them much good.

The trike fare from Muelle Pier to Sabang Beach has been set by the mafia at 150 PHP for a 15 minute ride. The road is also being upgraded to Sabang Beach, so everything is a little chaotic now.

What they really need is a 6-month shutdown of Sabang Beach so some sort of order to the shore line can be established. At the moment, it is one big, stinking shit hole (literally).

Sabang is now totally set up for Koreans and Chinese, however, I was still able to have a good time. In fact, there are so few western mongerers, it was actually a good point of separation for the girls. There is an army of Brits and Australians there, but those men are only interested in drinking beer from 10.00 am until 10.00 pm and arguing about the rugby result every night. For fucks sake, do that in your home country you morons. Their haunt is the Big Apple Dive Resort Bar and you can see those losers there every single night. The only people chasing Pinay pussy were the Koreans and me.

The Koreans hunt in packs and will go into the bars at 6. 30 pm on the dot when they open. At 6. 31 pm, all of the hottest girls will have been barfined and only the Tier-2 girls will be left from 6. 32 pm onwards. I was caught off guard by this sneaky Korean tactic. I had my eye on this cute spinner and had arranged to barfine her earlier that day. However, instead of queuing at the door at 6. 29 pm, I was busy eating at Sabang Fast Food like an idiot and watched my hottie get barfined by a fat Korean prick.

If the hot chicks are all gone, there are heaps of reasonable looking freelancers plying their trade on the street behind the beach. They are also at the Big Apple Dive Resort Bar, getting free drinks off the Australians and winning money against the Brits at the pool table.

All bar fines have gone up to 4,000 PHP now. They used to be 3,000 PHP before. Freelancer rate is 1,500 PHP.

There are about 7 bars plus a couple of Korean KTVs in Sabang. All are one street behind the beach. Each has about 40 girls, so I reckon there's about 300 bar girls in Sabang. There are also about 30 freelancers. There are plenty of 18-20 year old girls with the baby face and white skin which the Koreans lust after. Some have that K-pop style make up. Service is generally hit and miss with not much sincerity. Bar fines are uniformly 4,000 PHP.

On one night I took two girls for a three some from Sugar Kiss. It cost me 8,000 PHP. This was a big mistake. One was nervous as hell and never spoke a word to me all night and calling her a starfish would be been too kind. The other was a bit more responsive, but had a poor attitude. They kept talking to each other in Tagalog and it felt like they were ganging up on me. I was glad when they left. I found the whole threesome business very stressful and vowed not to repeat.

On another night I barfined a delightful, attractive lady from Broadway Pool Bar. She was really affectionate and caring in the traditional Pinay way. She went the extra mile and she stills texts me everyday. If you need a contact in Sabang, just PM me.