Chiang Mai

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1556792]Just tell her with a smile: I can pay 500, or what ever you think is fair and hold out. Walk away and come back after checking out some of the others. They need the dough at least as much as you need their service.[/QUOTE]Indeed, this is golden advice, always worked for me as well. Name the fair price you want to pay, with a smile, and if she doesn't take it, walk away, and come back round after a while. It keeps the prices down, and also maintains the happy illusion that, once price is out of the way, you're just two people doing what you both enjoy. Freelancers need money more than we need poon.

Negotiation always spoils the mood for me, and asking a girl "how much" is basically inviting her to name a price that is higher than going rate, in order to give herself space to negotiate. Worse yet, firmly negotiating her down leaves little or no expectation of a tip in case service is good. So there's less incentive to be nice.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54; 1553971I was there today, Ann from Isan very skinny and slutty looking gave me the massage and for another 350, I offered 300 but thought it better to be more generous, a nice handjob where I got to explore some of her anatomy. Juicy. Total damage 600 and a hot shower. Other services are definitely available.[/QUOTE]While cheap HJ / BJ are always a hit and miss at the Loi Kroh massage places, I can only confirm that the massage place with the bamboo benches, on Khampangdin road (left hand side of "My shop" laundry) offer really good value for money, at least for Chiang Mai.

All the ladies there offer HJ / BJ and FS. On top of the 250 Baht oil massage, you can easily get a HJ for 300 Baht, BJ for 500 Baht and FS.I think a little on the expensive side- for 1000 Baht.

All ladies working there are really nice, don't be shy, the've seen it all.

BJ and FS spontaneously offered.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1556792]Couple days ago I went to Moon Muang near tapae gate across from Montri hotel hit up a freelancer, there are a few most days, her name Joy, I have her number, if you need it PM me. Not bad looking, a lot better then that massage heifer on CL, 28, an extra five pounds. Joy: I suck good! That said I took her to a nearby and for 500 bt she sucked and we fucked, I played with her pussy and tits and all was ok except that she sported a Bush which I don't care for. Total damage 750. A word of advice if you don't mind, never ask them how much is this or that and then be frustrated with the quote and following negotiations. Just tell her with a smile: I can pay 500, or what ever you think is fair and hold out. Walk away and come back after checking out some of the others. They need the dough at least as much as you need their service. The same at the massages, I tell them I tip 300, case closed. Take it or leave it. And yes sometimes nothing happens and I pay just the massage and tip not. With a smile and a thank you. Works great.[/QUOTE]Some words of warning about those street girls:

Quite a lot of them are filthy, and I don`t mean their sexual exploits in bed. Many carry diseases, TB, STDs, herpes, HIV and aids or have drug and mental problems, can have head lice and scabies. These can be the rejects that the bars won`t employ. Some are under-age, although may not look it, and there are plain clothes police in the area, sometimes even disguised as Tuk Tuk drivers waiting to pounce on some naive Farang if he picks one up.

Even the well seasoned mongers that I know would not go near them. It is possible to walk out of your hotel and pick one up within minutes, mostly during the late hours. Some will settle for only 300 baht for FS, but I wouldn`t risk it, not for free or even if they paid me.

[QUOTE=Blake1; 1557201]While cheap HJ / BJ are always a hit and miss at the Loi Kroh massage places, I can only confirm that the massage place with the bamboo benches, on Khampangdin road (left hand side of "My shop" laundry) offer really good value for money, at least for Chiang Mai.

All the ladies there offer HJ / BJ and FS. On top of the 250 Baht oil massage, you can easily get a HJ for 300 Baht, BJ for 500 Baht and FS. I think a little on the expensive side- for 1000 Baht.

All ladies working there are really nice, don't be shy, the've seen it all.

BJ and FS spontaneously offered.[/QUOTE]Dropped by there today and after a bland oil massage the girl, Aya, asked if I wanted "Special". When I asked how much she said she had to pay the shop 300 (commission?) so she wanted 1,000. I said I only had 500, and she just walked out! Waste of a good hour. Well. 45 minutes anyway.

[QUOTE=LonelyMonger;1564265]Dropped by there today and after a bland oil massage the girl, Aya, asked if I wanted "Special". When I asked how much she said she had to pay the shop 300 (commission?) so she wanted 1,000. I said I only had 500, and she just walked out! Waste of a good hour. Well. 45 minutes anyway.[/QUOTE]Other people, other experiences. But thank you anyway for sharing your personal experience, it reminds all of us that the informations that we share can only be used as an indication. Now, did you offer your lady 500 Baht all in, of 500 for any "extra"? If you offered 500 all in, yes, I can only wish you good luck. 550 Baht (250 for massage and 300 for HJ) , with the expectation of a tip (making 600 all in) is the minimum that they would expect.

I was there again 2 days ago. The name of the lady was Cat. Paid the same as for my previous visits. 800 Baht all in for massage and a very nice BBBJ. Very successful indeed.

[QUOTE=LonelyMonger;1564265]Dropped by there today and after a bland oil massage the girl, Aya, asked if I wanted "Special". When I asked how much she said she had to pay the shop 300 (commission?) so she wanted 1,000. I said I only had 500, and she just walked out! Waste of a good hour. Well. 45 minutes anyway.[/QUOTE]This is true to my experiences also.

BJ or FS for 500 baht, don`t believe it. This is the way the scene has gone in Chiang Mai and I have been absolutely correct in all my previous posts. I have noticed these try ons have steadily been extending to all the massage parlours over the last year.

What I suggest to save disappointment when visiting these massage parlours is to first decide what you want and expect and then ask the girl what she is willing to do and for how much before actually going in for the massage. This will save wasting your time and money.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1564739]This is true to my experiences also.

BJ or FS for 500 baht, don`t believe it.[/QUOTE]Sorry Arthur, Islandboy and I have good experiences there and we share them with everyone on here, which is the purpose of a forum!

I have been to the Bamboo benches massage place 3 times in 10 days, with 3 different ladies, and have had one HJ for 550 Baht (gave 600) and two BJ for 800 Baht all in, inclusive massage. And I am well talking about April / May 2014, this week and last week, not 2010! Islandboy has paid the same price for HJ (see below) , I don't know if he had BJ or not. I have never negociated outside. Yes it can be good for some to negociate outside, but not always needed. With one lady I had to convince her that the 800 Baht BJ was right, she wanted more, but it took me only 20 seconds, the time for me to show her the money and tell her "either this money is for you, or for the next girl who massage me". She started a BBBJ straight away!

I can also tell you that I go every week to Thai Karaoke places where I receive BBBJCIM and FS, for 500 Baht all in! Inclusive short time room, barfine and FULL service. And not only from one lady, there are approximately 15 ladies working there, some good, young and beautiful, and some with the worse possible service. With time, I know which ones to chose now. But you would not believe me either, would you?

That's why I will keep this all for me now, and leave this forum. But as you have been a long timer here in Chiang Mai, you must know these places don't you?

[QUOTE=Blake1; 1564747]Sorry Arthur, Islandboy and I have good experiences there and we share them with everyone on here, which is the purpose of a forum!

I have been to the Bamboo benches massage place 3 times in 10 days, with 3 different ladies, and have had one HJ for 550 Baht (gave 600) and two BJ for 800 Baht all in, inclusive massage. And I am well talking about April / May 2014, this week and last week, not 2010! Islandboy has paid the same price for HJ (see below) , I don't know if he had BJ or not. I have never negociated outside. Yes it can be good for some to negociate outside, but not always needed. With one lady I had to convince her that the 800 Baht BJ was right, she wanted more, but it took me only 20 seconds, the time for me to show her the money and tell her "either this money is for you, or for the next girl who massage me". She started a BBBJ straight away!

I can also tell you that I go every week to Thai Karaoke places where I receive BBBJCIM and FS, for 500 Baht all in! Inclusive short time room, barfine and FULL service. And not only from one lady, there are approximately 15 ladies working there, some good, young and beautiful, and some with the worse possible service. With time, I know which ones to chose now. But you would not believe me either, would you?

That's why I will keep this all for me now, and leave this forum. But as you have been a long timer here in Chiang Mai, you must know these places don't you?[/QUOTE]If you say so.

Natty has a new nick these days?

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1557506]Some words of warning about those street girls:

Quite a lot of them are filthy, and I don`t mean their sexual exploits in bed. Many carry diseases, TB, STDs, herpes, HIV and aids or have drug and mental problems, can have head lice and scabies.[/QUOTE]While your warning is well intentioned, it is completely pointless.

Girls at any venue can have TB / STDs / AIDS or other nasties, using the rubber is the only reliable protection. As for being physically filthy, that you can see during your little interview. Regarding drug or mental problems, bargirls often use yaba and go totally mental too. There's a slightly higher proportion of girls with problems in the street, but they're by no means exceptionally dangerous or all worse than bargirls. Much as bar owners would like to tell you otherwise.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1565133]While your warning is well intentioned, it is completely pointless.

Girls at any venue can have TB / STDs / AIDS or other nasties, using the rubber is the only reliable protection. As for being physically filthy, that you can see during your little interview. Regarding drug or mental problems, bargirls often use yaba and go totally mental too. There's a slightly higher proportion of girls with problems in the street, but they're by no means exceptionally dangerous or all worse than bargirls. Much as bar owners would like to tell you otherwise.[/QUOTE]Not pointless.

I have known several guys that caught aids and died after using the services of what they used to call, Asian street meat. I have also known guys that caught aids from bar girls but the risks of catching some sorts of infection or disease is definitely a lot higher from street girls.

It`s really up to each and everyone`s own risk and discretion and if street girls are your scene than enjoy yourself, up to you.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick;1565247]I have known several guys that caught aids and died after using the services[/QUOTE]You can't catch AIDS, it's a syndrome that requires HIV infection, aT-cell count below 200 and a secondary infection.

Play safe, people.

[QUOTE=Moth To Flames;1565270]You can't catch AIDS, it's a syndrome that requires HIV infection, aT-cell count below 200 and a secondary infection.[/QUOTE]I am sure that is exactly what Arthur meant to say.

[QUOTE=Moth To Flames;1565270]Play safe, people.[/QUOTE]That is something we can all agree to, although not all will have the same definition of "safe".

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1565247]I have known several guys that caught aids and died after using the services of what they used to call, Asian street meat. I have also known guys that caught aids from bar girls but the risks of catching some sorts of infection or disease is definitely a lot higher from street girls.[/QUOTE]Is that a guess? Talking about CM, Siam, Asia, the world? What decades. 1980's. 1990's. 2000's. 2010's?

Since the Thailand HIV heyday of 1994, HIV rates have been consistently free falling all over the country amongst both free lancer and venue female sex workers.

Furthermore, both HIV testing & HIV meds are much more available than ever & far more effective or accurate.

Also of course the sex industry is a high turnover business.

This means those with HIV have often either died or for other reasons quit working or are being effectively treated. New blood has been injected into the realm of P4P that is free of disease & safe to the punter.

In BKK, BTW, some street workers are former bar or gogo girls, even superstars. They may choose FL in order to be their own boss, to make more money or they dislike the bar scene.

Hey guys,

I'm heading to CM in a few weeks time, for my first time! I have read through the threads and I must say I have found it very helpful and informative!

I was wondering what the ST options are in CM, where the best bars or women are for this? Are the prices in line with Pattaya and Bangkok? There doesn't seem to be too much information in comparison to the aforementioned places or is there not much of a ST scene in CM?

Apologies for all the questions and thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=CtrDavid;1568416]Hey guys,

I'm heading to CM in a few weeks time, for my first time! I have read through the threads and I must say I have found it very helpful and informative!

I was wondering what the ST options are in CM, where the best bars or women are for this? Are the prices in line with Pattaya and Bangkok? There doesn't seem to be too much information in comparison to the aforementioned places or is there not much of a ST scene in CM?

Apologies for all the questions and thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I have covered every aspect of the Chiang Mai sex scene, or should say; lack of it on this thread.

So I will pass this one over to the other ISG members because I would be interested to see if they can muster up something that I have missed or haven't discovered yet. Hoping it's not the handful of skanky bars in the Loi Kroh again and someone has some better information to offer? I certainly don't.

Hello brothers,

Tomorrow evening I'll be in Chiang Mai. I'm looking for a ST / LT with a slim girl. If someone have interesting number cell, please contact me.

Thank you brothers.

[QUOTE=Lagachet;1574703]
Tomorrow evening I'll be in Chiang Mai. I'm looking for a ST / LT with a slim girl. If someone have interesting number cell, please contact me. [/QUOTE]

One interesting number in Chiang Mai is 053 276 040, the girl who answers it is very slim and cute (if it's her shift). They do offer a LT overnight stay, but it's up to them, not up to you...

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1574940]One interesting number in Chiang Mai is 053 276 040, the girl who answers it is very slim and cute (if it's her shift). They do offer a LT overnight stay, but it's up to them, not up to you. [/QUOTE]That's the phone number of the main police station in Chiang Mai.

With members like you on here, the ISG forums don't have much chance, do they?

[QUOTE=Blake1; 1564654]Other people, other experiences. But thank you anyway for sharing your personal experience, it reminds all of us that the informations that we share can only be used as an indication. Now, did you offer your lady 500 Baht all in, of 500 for any "extra"? If you offered 500 all in, yes, I can only wish you good luck. 550 Baht (250 for massage and 300 for HJ), with the expectation of a tip (making 600 all in) is the minimum that they would expect.

I was there again 2 days ago. The name of the lady was Cat. Paid the same as for my previous visits. 800 Baht all in for massage and a very nice BBBJ. Very successful indeed.[/QUOTE]No, the 500 was in addition to the massage fee, so I thought it was pretty standard for an HJ. Maybe I had bad luck with Aya. I'll ask for Cat next time and see what happens! Thanks.

(Sorry for the late reply. Been out of town.).

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1575091]That's the phone number of the main police station in Chiang Mai.

With members like you on here, the ISG forums don't have much chance, do they?[/QUOTE]


Good catch Sir Tick!


I don't get it, what would be the point of posting the phone number of the police station for members to call?

[URL]http://www.embracechiangmai.com/index.php?page=chiangmaipolice[/URL]

[QUOTE=RunMann;1578210]Good catch Sir Tick!


I don't get it, what would be the point of posting the phone number of the police station for members to call?

[URL]http://www.embracechiangmai.com/index.php?page=chiangmaipolice[/URL][/QUOTE]I become suspicious as soon as I saw that phone number because 053 is the code phone number for Chiang Mai, it's a land line and I know FL and BGs always use mobile phones and would rarely give out their personal land line numbers if they have one. So I copied and pasted the number into Google search and hence all was revealed within a blink of an eye.

Some people are just malicious I guess. The guy is probably sexually dysfunctional, maybe has a dick size of only 1 inch that matches his brain, never been capable of an erection and to him oral sex is only about talking about it, so he becomes angry that others might get something that he can`t do.

Unfortunately these forums can attract these sorts of idiots like magnets and if any of them publish details or phone numbers on here I always check them out first and as I pointed out, very easy to do, otherwise these pea brained a/holes can put you in the shite.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1578298]Unfortunately these forums can attract these sorts of idiots like magnets and if any of them publish details or phone numbers on here I always check them out first and as I pointed out, very easy to do, otherwise these pea brained a/holes can put you in the shite.[/QUOTE]A quick look at his other comments this year seems to indicate he's based out of Bangkok, and makes generally good posts, nothing "idiotic" at all. Probably some innocent mistake, nothing malevolent at all. Your post was unduly harsh.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1578339]A quick look at his other comments this year seems to indicate he's based out of Bangkok, and makes generally good posts, nothing "idiotic" at all. Probably some innocent mistake, nothing malevolent at all. Your post was unduly harsh.[/QUOTE]Easy way to solve that, lets here from Crocodilexp himself, would love to hear his explanation.

My Gawd. It was a F--KING joke. Perhaps it was not funny or you did not think it was funny, but what harm could, would or did it do? Are the police going to track down the caller and put him in a room and sweat the truth and the site at fault out of him?

- jf.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1578591]Easy way to solve that, lets here from Crocodilexp himself, would love to hear his explanation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jijjy;1578794]My Gawd. It was a F--KING joke. Perhaps it was not funny or you did not think it was funny, but what harm could, would or did it do? Are the police going to track down the caller and put him in a room and sweat the truth and the site at fault out of him?

- jf.[/QUOTE]If you don't get why this is a bad joke, you don't get it. By the way, how old are you?

It is often said that if someone can see an problem it is a reflection of their own image. Sexual dysfunction 1" penis ect. Ect. Maybe ticks all the boxes for sir tick.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1578591]Easy way to solve that, lets here from Crocodilexp himself, would love to hear his explanation.[/QUOTE]

Apologies guys, it's a joke gone wrong, no way to delete the post now. Blame the Sang Som. I guess the question seemed a bit too silly to begin with (asking for highly prized phone numbers of working girls in Thailand, as if they're not all around... and it would be clearly against the forum rules anyway). In any case, my bad, and thanks for catching that quickly, Mr. Tick.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1554050]Considering how the sex scene has dried up in Chiang Mai, I am getting more and more desperate and once every evening I look at that woman`s photo on craigslist in an attempt to see her in a new light so that she appears attractive, but it`s really difficult.

So far I have looked at her in 6 different ways and still struggling to find her fanciable. But I might decide to take the plunge in the near future and if I do, I will submit a complete report on here.[/QUOTE]Just go to the street where all the go go's are and go in, have a drink, choose a girl, bar fine her, and your off. You can even see her first. What a concept. Here is a link to the the go go's in Chang Mai.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-go-go-bars-girlie-bars-and-coyotes-in-chiang-mai-p31[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mooris7;1583741]Just go to the street where all the go go's are and go in, have a drink, choose a girl, bar fine her, and your off. You can even see her first. What a concept. Here is a link to the the go go's in Chang Mai.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-go-go-bars-girlie-bars-and-coyotes-in-chiang-mai-p31[/URL][/QUOTE]Please check the veracity and accuracy of this report Arthur Tick and let us know what you think.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1583911]Please check the veracity and accuracy of this report Arthur Tick and let us know what you think.[/QUOTE]I have checked the veracity and accuracy of this report and it does confirm that most of it is a load of expensive crap.

Here is what I think:

That this Chiang Mai thread just continues to go around in circles and I think the Chiang Mai thread should be renamed the Loi Kroh Road and soapy massage thread, because it seems there is hardly anything else worth mentioning regarding the monger scene in Chiang Mai.

I have gone through most of what there is to do in the Chiang Mai adult entertainments venues and I am sure I have saved many a lot of time, inconvenience and money with my reports and will continue to do so in the future unless some more positive reports start appearing on this thread.

Amen.

[QUOTE=Blake1;1557201]While cheap HJ / BJ are always a hit and miss at the Loi Kroh massage places, I can only confirm that the massage place with the bamboo benches, on Khampangdin road (left hand side of "My shop" laundry) offer really good value for money, at least for Chiang Mai.

All the ladies there offer HJ / BJ and FS. On top of the 250 Baht oil massage, you can easily get a HJ for 300 Baht, BJ for 500 Baht and FS.I think a little on the expensive side- for 1000 Baht.

All ladies working there are really nice, don't be shy, the've seen it all.

BJ and FS spontaneously offered.[/QUOTE]The bamboo benches place is called Ning Orchid Massage.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/chiang-mai-traditional-thai-massage-2131:ning-orchid-massage[/URL]

I am going to have to do some research here.

I had the good fortune to be in Chiang Mai recently. I had planned to try out as many as possible of the options listed here.

[URL]http://www.livingthai.org/chiang-mai-nightlife-and-paid-sex.html[/URL]

However, I had the misfortune of being in town because a number of non-mongering friends were in town and I found it much harder to break away for a bit of adult nightlife.

So anyway, first night I hit the Loi Khro Road at about 10 pm. I went to Linda Bar near the city wall end as I'd walked past and a cutie with black bobbed hair in a tight little black dress had caught my eye and smiled when I walked past a few hours earlier. She was still there. We sat and talked. I bought her a drink. She said she was called Air, 21 from Sukhothai. She said she had a 1 year old child in Sukhothai and the father looked after it while she came to Chiang Mai for money. We were getting on well so I asked her how much for long time. She said she couldn't do long time tonight as she was going to the temple early in the morning. She said she worked at the bar every night and would long time me any other night. Whatever. I paid the bill and hit the Loi Khro Road again. There were various beer bars along the lenght of the road, most had several available girls but only one or two lookers or even do-able ones in each bar. I reached the boxing arena area which was packed with more beer bars and girls, but again not many lookers. I walked past one bar and 3 girls called out to me. One real cutie and 2 ugly ones. I did my best to smile and hold eye contact with the looker and sat down. Then one of the ugly ones sat next to me. Just my luck. I told her I wasn't interested and she left. Then the looker sat next to me. Slim, pale, said her name was Byoy or something like that, 32 from Ubon Ratchathani. We got talking and I bought her a drink. After a couple of the obligatory games of connect 4 I asked her how much and she said " sorry I not for boom boom I bar manager" WTF! Just my luck. She then said she had plenty other ladies and pointed out a fat ugly one and another who looked way too young. (I realise she was mostly likely at least 18 but so many Thai girls look really young and I find that a turn off). I declined, paid my bill and left.

I walked back along the Loi Khro to the city, past a number of streetwalkers including a couple of unconvincing lady boys. Neither are my thing.

I then walked past Dragon Fly where there were several enthusiastic girls shouting at passing men. A tall dark skinned girl, with long frizzy hair and a deep voice grabbed me by the arm and practically ordered me inside. I figured WTF, sat down and ordered a drink. The masculine girl said I could order a lady and pointed to the girls at the entrance. I asked if it was a lady boy bar and I wasn't entirely sure based on my initial host. She said it wasn't. I looked at the ladies and saw a real cutie in a tight black dress and long black hair. I pointed to her and masculine girl growled something in Thai at her and she came over.

She said she was called Yah Yah, 32 from Bangkok. She said she had previously worked in bars in Bangkok and Phuket for about 6 years. A seasoned pro then. It was getting late, she seemed ok and I realised I would be going home alone if I didn't act soon. I asked how much for long-time and she said 4000. I laughed "way too expensive" and she said 3000. OK. She then tried to counter with 3500 and I said no, 3000. She agreed. About then masculine girls barked some orders and the girls launched into action pulling the steel shutters down and turning out most of the lights. Yah Yah explained that the army were coming, and even though the curfew was now over they made them close at 1230. I looked at my watch and it was 1245. I could make out red flashing lights through gaps in the shutters and something in Thai being shouted on loudspeakers. Masculine girl said " Army and police are on double money now". I assume this meant double bribes.

I then spotted another girl. Cute face, glasses, nice body wearing purple hot pants and crop top. Shit. I made a mental note to come back another night.

Yah Yah and me then left and went back to my hotel. It went downhill from there. She refused flat to shower together. Something I like and not an unreasonable request really. She turned out to be the rush job type of hooker. I found her attitude quite off putting and we had to stop and start a few times as I kept losing wood. It got to the point where she yanked my dick really hard out of frustration to get me hard causing me to shout in pain. (I actually had a strain to my groin that caused me pain for about 5 days after). I told her to slow down and that the rush attitude didn't do it for me. Eventually I got hard and had a very average shag and popped. Now I was all to eager to sleep.

I woke up at about 6:30 felling horny with a raging boner. I started trying to warm up the lady but she just growled and shrugged her shoulder. Great.

She woke up about 30 minutes later, turned over and kissed me on the lips and started playing with my dick. Again too rough and with hurry up attitude. Afterr about 10 minutes I still failed to get hard. She said " I want you to come again before I leave". I said " why don't you just leave" with a barely concealed dissatisfaction in my voice. She stopped for a few seconds and said " if you're sure. Sorry". I said nothing, gave her the money and she left. Thank god.

I'll upload my 2nd report on Chiang Mai as soon as I get chance.

S.

Tip of the iceberg.

After a couple of nights non-mongering in Chiang Mai I managed to break away at about 11 pm and hit the Loi Khro Road again. I went to Dragon Fly with the hope of finding the cutie in glasses but as soon as I looked into the bar from the street I heard several of the girls shout " Yah Yah"! In their mind I was her customer. Yah Yah came rushing over but I said I was just passing and hurried away across the road to Linda's bar which was almost empty with no sign of Air the cutie I had spoke with a few nights before. I then walked down Loi Khro Road where I was called over to by lots of bar girls and street walkers. One street girl was a real cutie in a red dress but I find street meat too high risk.

So I continued along Loi Kroh and turned left at the Meridien and along Soi 1 until I got to Foxy Lady Gogo at about 1130. Inside it was like a poor imitation of a Bangkok gogo with just 3 quite cute girls shuffling about on stage. I ordered a drink and looked around and saw a few more girls sittig with customers. The cutest girl then left the stage. After a few minutes a waitress asked if I would like to talk with a girl. I pointed to the girl who had left the stage and changed into regualr clothes. She came over and I bought her a drink. I can't remember her name but she said she was 26 from Lao and had worked at the bar for 5 years. There was little chemistry and she left and went home after a few minutes. So far pretty shit.

A few minutes later I saw a girl get up and walk away from a customer she was sat with. She looked angry as though he had done something offensive. She got onto the stage and started dancing while the customer went to the bar, paid his bill and left.

The girl was now dancing right in front of me. She was a very cute pale skinned raven haired honey with a hot body and a cheeky smile. She leant forward and said something to me. I couldn't really hear her over the music but I agreed that she could sit with me. She jumped off the stage and straddled me. She stroked my crotch and legs and let me rub my hands all over her silky skin whilst grinding her crotch into mine. She only objected when I put my hands in her panties or tried to kiss her "not allowed here, only in the hotel"! Her lady drink hadn't even arrived yet and she was treating me to a preformance that in Europe would have seen me 50 poorer with no touching. We talked and there was some chemistry between us. She's called "See"or "C", 25 from Chiang Mai. She has a dirty grin, bubbly personality and a husky voice. She spoke good English. I asked her how she learnt and she said she worked in the night market for 5 years and that she's worked in the gogo for 2 years. She asked if she could go with me. I asked how much and she said 2000ST and 600 BF. I asked how much LT and she said we could discuss that back at the hotel. Not what I'm used to. I agreed to go with her and next thing I know the mamasan has come over asking which hotel I'm at, how long I'm staying and being more intrusive than usual. The mamasan then asks that I pay 2000ST plus 600 bar fine and my bar bill before I can take C out. I said, (completely honestly) that I had left most of my money in the hotel safe and only had 2000 on me. The mamasan didn't look happy so I said I would just pay my bar bill for 3 drinks and 2 lady drinks (800) and leave. I handed over the money and the mamasan changed her mind and said I could also pay the barfine and take C and pay her back at the hotel. Money talks I guess.

Outisde we get on C's motorbike and she drives us back to my hotel. I stroke her legs and waist on the back of the bike which she appreciates. In the hotel lift, she grabs me and starts kissing me and then stops when she sees there's a camera in there LOL.

We get to my room and she lies back on the bed pulls me on top of her and starts kissing me. She then asks about the LT we discussed in the bar and how much would I pay her. I say 3000. She says LT is 4000. I say " I'll give you 2000 for ST like we agreed or 3000 for LT". She pauses for a few seconds and I can see her doing the math in her eyes. She agrees 3000 for LT and claims that she's never done LT for such a small amount. We then strip. I ask her to shower together and she agrees. We soap each other up and she's quite getting into it. I ask her if she wants to take her watch off. She says its OK it's water proof and asks me to guess how much it cost. 5000? No. 10000? No. I give up.

Having showered we head back to the bedroom and start kissing. She gives a v good BBBJ, better than most I've had in LOS. I then enter her missionary and pump her for a bit before she straddles me and rides me. I then bend her over and do her doggy. I'm not coming and starting to lose wood. She's starting to take my lack of finish as a professional insult and asking me how long it's going to take. I explain that if she carries on asking me how long it will just put me off. I ask if she understands and she smiles and nods. (It's also because I'm in quite a bit of pain because of Yah Yah's inexpert hard tugging a few nights before). She gets me hard again and I enter her from behind and we lay down. I tell her I'm getting close and pull out. She pulls the condom off and wanks me gently until I come all over her ass. There's jizz all over her ass and the sheets. We both laugh and I ask her if she wants a shower. She laughs and runs away and showers. What a great body. She then comes back to bed and we sleep together spooning.

Next morning I wake up and start playing with her tits, ass and legs. Wow she has such silky skin. She responds by kissing me and stroking my cock. I'm hard pretty quick. I play with her pussy and slip a finger in and she's hot and wet. She asks me to put a condom and naturally I oblige. Then then hooks ons of her legs over my hips and pushes her pelvis toward me. I push inside her and slowly pump away and build up a good rythm until I evetually come.

We lay there for a few minutes kissing. All god things have to come to an end and she get's up and showers. I pay her and ask if she's working that night and she says she is. Unfortunately I wasn't able to visit Foxy Lady again.

See comes across as a genuinely good hearted girl who likes her job, and is one of the best shags I've had in Thailand. (She tolds me before she left that her new watch cost 20,000 baht (500, more than I can afford)). She's a world of difference to Yah Yah from a few nights before who was one of the worst shags I've had in Thailand. I'd definately seek her out for a repeat performance if I find myself in Chiang Mai again.

S.

Sammyt, what happened to you trying out as many options as possible? You've just stuck to the farang ghetto that we all know about. I was looking forward to hearing your reports of other places. I'll be visiting a few soapies in CM soon.

[QUOTE=*****man;1589128]Sammyt, what happened to you trying out as many options as possible? You've just stuck to the farang ghetto that we all know about. I was looking forward to hearing your reports of other places. I'll be visiting a few soapies in CM soon.[/QUOTE]Yes I know and I am sorry for that. The issue was that I had 5 nights / 4 days in CM but was only able to break away from my non mongering friends for two nights.

Also, you may well be familiar with Loi Kroh road and Foxy Lady but I was not, having never been to CM before.

Apologies again for not achieving what I intended and I look forward to reading your soapy reports.

S.

Thanks for the interesting trip report Sammyt. I was shocked to see the prices you stated. Last time I was in CM was late 2011. I don't recall ever being asked for more than 600 barfine, 2500 LT (max!) usually negotiable downward to about 1500 LT. If these are the the new prices three years later, I guess I'll reconsider my planned trip, doesn't seem worth it.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;1588872]After a couple of nights non-mongering in Chiang Mai I managed to break away at about 11 pm and hit the Loi Khro Road again. I went to Dragon Fly with the hope of finding the cutie in glasses but as soon as I looked into the bar from the street I heard several of the girls shout " Yah Yah"! In their mind I was her customer. Yah Yah came rushing over but I said I was just passing and hurried away across the road to Linda's bar which was almost empty with no sign of Air the cutie I had spoke with a few nights before. I then walked down Loi Khro Road where I was called over to by lots of bar girls and street walkers. One street girl was a real cutie in a red dress but I find street meat too high risk.

So I continued along Loi Kroh and turned left at the Meridien and along Soi 1 until I got to Foxy Lady Gogo at about 1130. Inside it was like a poor imitation of a Bangkok gogo with just 3 quite cute girls shuffling about on stage. I ordered a drink and looked around and saw a few more girls sittig with customers. The cutest girl then left the stage....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RollAides;1589327]Thanks for the interesting trip report Sammyt. I was shocked to see the prices you stated. Last time I was in CM was late 2011. I don't recall ever being asked for more than 600 barfine, 2500 LT (max!) usually negotiable downward to about 1500 LT. If these are the the new prices three years later, I guess I'll reconsider my planned trip, doesn't seem worth it.[/QUOTE]Having never been to Chiang Mai before I don't know. It being my first visit I kinda feel like I was flying in the dark. From my limited experience I would say that CM is cheaper than Bangkok but more expensive than Koh Samui. I think maybe I was paying over the odds, being my first visit to CM and only my 2nd visit to Thailand. But you live and learn, right.

What still blows me away is the big difference in service. Both girls had hot bodies and pretty faces. Like most guys I'm a sucker for that :-)
I paid exactly the same for both girls, one a bar girl and one a gogo girl. But Yah Yah was so cold, mechanical and frankly a pain in the ass that I was relieved when she left in the morning. C was very cheerful, sensual and appeared to really enjoy sex and pleasing men. A natural.

Chiang Mai is a great city in general terms. But for mongering you need to have patience and time to shop around.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;1590983] Yah Yah was so cold, mechanical and frankly a pain in the ass that I was relieved when she left in the morning. C was very cheerful, sensual and appeared to really enjoy sex and pleasing men. A natural..[/QUOTE]And where did you find them?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1591057]And where did you find them?[/QUOTE]As I already said in my original reports, I picked up Yah Yah from Dragonfly on Loi Kroh Road and C from Foxy Lady Gogo.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1587715]Tip of the iceberg.[/QUOTE]Great.

They are offering everything other than full sex. Either a glorified HJ or probably a covered BJ.

Fine if some are satisfied with that and paying a high price for it.

Please refer to my previous posts regarding B2 B massages and the Pretty Club.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;1591410]As I already said in my original reports, I picked up Yah Yah from Dragonfly on Loi Kroh Road and C from Foxy Lady Gogo.[/QUOTE]I thought you made a great report.

Your report covered most of what is available on the Chiang Mai commercial sex scene, there is literally nothing much else and proves that obtaining a desirable result is mostly based on luck and very hit and miss. It could cost a small fortune trying to find a winner and is really based on the luck of the draw and being at a venue in the right place at the right time.

I think this just about sums the situation up for the Chiang Mai adult entertainments and sex scene and unless also wanting to visit Chiang Mai to do the usual tourist things, temples, elephant farms, water falls etc, than it is certainly not worth the expense and effort of making a special trip. Even Chiang Rai is a better option, smaller but higher quality for cheaper.

So its a buddhist holiday and you can't get booze anywhere. So my friend and I are driving around and I see Karaoke 99 is open and I have been wanting to check it out for a bit. So we head in and its a lot nicer than I imagined for what is one of the cheapest scr*ws in CM. Just a lot of nice couches in a nicely painted lounge room. I was almost expecting dirty mattresses and tents for the prices quoted.

I think it might be a slower night with the holiday but there are about 10 girls just chilling on couches and then about 8 couches with about 3 of them full with groups of under 35 Thai guys. The mammason is a very fat lady boy but speaks ok english and then gets us some sangsom. I think it was 350 baht which works for me. Then soda water was around 25 baht for a bigger than normal bottle. I think our total drink bill of sangsom and soda water was 435 baht.

After we each had a drink. The mommasan comes over explains that for 1200 baht you get a massage which includes a nearby hotel room and "boom boom" for an hour. Just pick a girl and she will sit with you while you drink and can talk to you (however none spoke english.) She was really nice about it and there was no pressure to get a girl. A few thai guys where completely sh*tfaced and she took care of sobering them up.

In regards to the girls. Most of them were really cute and attractive. Very thin with a few chubbers. All had good faces and if in a "normal girl" bar I think I'd have taken home all after a few drinks. I have scene whor*s from around the world and for under $40 these where the best I had ever scene. I am not saying models but for the price it was solid. I had read before that they have mostly burmese girls and that might be true. However these girls were mostly lighter skinned and not normally what I think of in regards to burmese. However they did seem to have the rounder circle face that is common in burmese girls. I still thought they were cute.

The internet doesn't really do a good job of helping you find karaoke 99 so I will tell you to find Santitham Guest House on google maps and either go west on that street a block or go west on that the street just north of the guest house. It's just north and east of all the bars rows that are in that area. It has a decently visible sign and if you can find that guest house then just driving around the block should eventually find you the sign. I think the hours are around 5 pm to 2 am. Closed Sunday and Monday I think is what the mammason told me.

Best of luck guys enjoying a cheap good time. Don't totally creep it up.

Noticed a two love hotels while I was out the gym today and I checked out their websites. One looks really amazing ([URL]thetimemovement.com[/URL]) and the other maybe more traditional (China chic). Both are right next to each other and you can find the most approximate location on the time movements site. They are just north of what Chet Yot.

After getting some work done I wanted to go take a ride and decided I would go check out this Sayuri place. Was easy enough to find on google maps even though I came through the twisty roaded residential neighborhood getting there. There was about 30 girls in the fishbowl and probably 30 non-thai asian guys on the couches just sorta staring. Alot of the girls were pretty but the layout there makes it hard to look at the girls without feeling like your are blocking some guys. Didn't get prices but from what I have seen online these seem like good prices for these quality of girls. I was only there 10 minutes before heading out.

The google machine said that Celeb at CNX was pretty close by so I headed over there to see it. This has a much more spacious layout. Even if you would have had the same amount of guys there as you did at Sayuri then I think it would have still felt more open. However there isn't a big bar to the side like Sayuri so no idea what it would be with a lot of guys here drinking. I sat down and was only one of two tables there. The guy sat down walked me through the prices. 1400 for the normal girls and then 1700 for the "special girls". The special girls were mostly hotter but I think the hottest was one of the average girls. They don't have sangsom but they do have 100 pipers 350 ml for around 300 or 350 a bottle. He said it wasn't a soapy massage and that those didn't exist in CM and on in BKK. He said you got a shower (maybe he also said bath), massage, BJ and then boom boom. He said hours where 2 pm to 12:30 am.

I'm trying to get one of my super monger friends to come and visit but he thinks it will be boring and would rather do a week in BKK. So if anyone knows any places I need to check out first let me know.

Also does anyone know about these hidden gems of santitum that CMlocator talks about? I live right in the area and wouldn't mind seeing what they have available. I can't tell from their photos where they are but I have an idea.

I've also visited 99 Karaoke and Celebrities Shower Massage and was disappointed with the girls in both. Compared to Bangkok these places are just not worth visiting. Half the girls in 99 Karaoke were way too old for me. Some were quite attractive but nothing that really caught the eye. A tour of the oily massage places around Sujhumvit 24-26 would give you a better selection of girls. A lot of the Celebrities girls were too fat or old. The quality doesn't come close to Nataree in Bangkok. I would compare it to somewhere like Avita in Bangkok where the prices are about the same. Sorry to bring up Bangkok in the Chiang Mai thread but that's where I live and in comparison Chiang Mai is really disappointing.

How do I find this apparently new soapy MP? It's not in Google maps. I'm pretty familiar with CNX, so an address or even a major landmark would do.

Also, can someone definitively confirm the Chiang Mai Hills 2000 MP is closed for good? I don't come to Chiang Mai often, but whenever I did, I always had a very good experience there, especially with #18. Anyone else remembers her?

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1598019]How do I find this apparently new soapy MP? It's not in Google maps. I'm pretty familiar with CNX, so an address or even a major landmark would do.

Also, can someone definitively confirm the Chiang Mai Hills 2000 MP is closed for good? I don't come to Chiang Mai often, but whenever I did, I always had a very good experience there, especially with #18. Anyone else remembers her?[/QUOTE]

Celebrities Shower Massage is the same place as Chiang Mai Hills just renamed. Charoen Prathet Road.

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1598019]

....can someone definitively confirm the Chiang Mai Hills 2000 MP is closed for good?....
[/QUOTE]The Sex Massage is closed - but open some where else (don't have adress) - the Thai Massage is still open.

[QUOTE=*****man;1598131]Celebrities Shower Massage is the same place as Chiang Mai Hills just renamed. Charoen Prathet Road.[/QUOTE]The Celebrity Shower Massage is located in Charoen Prathet Road, just opposite Porn Ping Tower Hotel.

The Chiang Mai Hills 2000 hotel soapy massage has been closed for over a year and is the same people who are now running the Celebrity Shower Massage, same peg leg papasan and staff.

They charge from 1300 baht up to 1600 baht or depending on how gullible they think the customer is. I have heard stories of 2000 baht being tried on with some customers.

The layman's guide on how to get there:

From the moat go down the Loi Kroh Road right until it reaches the Chang Klan Road, that is where the night market is located. Go straight across the road into the road where the Red Lion restaurant will be on the left. Continue on to the end. This will bring you out to the Chiang Mai ring road, Charoen Prathet Road. Turn left and within a short distance the Celebrity Shower Massage will be on the right. It is in a sort of cul-de-sac but well sign posted, you can't miss it.

Haven't tried it myself because I have not heard of any good reports coming out of that place, so it's a case of try it and see.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1598350]
They charge from 1300 baht up to 1600 baht or depending on how gullible they think the customer is. I have heard stories of 2000 baht being tried on with some customers.

[/QUOTE]The girls on the left are more expensive than the ones on the right and the papasan informed me some don't go with foreigners. The quality of all the girls is very average.

[QUOTE=*****man;1598695]The girls on the left are more expensive than the ones on the right and the papasan informed me some don't go with foreigners. The quality of all the girls is very average.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for the info. Hopefully I'll make it to Chiang Mai in a few months and will report on what I find.

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Apparently, there are only 4 MP in Chiang mai so headed over to the one highest rated. I heard reports of inflated prices if you get a taxi or tuk tuk direct as the driver expects a commission from the complex. Instead, I studied the map and asked the tuk tuk to drop me at the baby grand boutique hotel, which is a five minute walk away.

The tuk tuk got lost looking for baby grand and actually drove passed sayuri making it easier for me to find it when the tuk tuk eventually found baby grand.

Paid tuk tuk and walked around to sayuri. It's the fish bowl scenario and had the three groups of girls. They were disappearing quick as the place was full of Asian fellas. I though I best not ogle too long as the ones I had my eye on we're disappearing.

I chose M34 and asked the fella on the mic who called her out. Next was a shock 2000 tb, I was expecting 1609 tops but thought, it's an extra £8, let's get on with it.

Paid up and m34 led me down to a room. A very thorough bath which was quite sexy and then on to the bed. A very quick CBJ and then she jumped on for a few minutes. I was only allowed to kiss her nipples. I wasn't allowed much more than that so turned her over and pumped away until I shot my load in the condom. A very clean punt but not the right attitude.

If I had more time I would have saw another but had to disappear.

For those not sure about visiting these places, just be confident and stroll right in like you have been a million times.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=BolloxDeep;1612079]


I chose M34 and asked the fella on the mic who called her out. Next was a shock 2000 tb, I was expecting 1609 tops but thought, it's an extra 8, let's get on with it.

[/QUOTE]

I think you overpaid.

Only Nr. Is 1000 THB for 1. 5 Hours in normal room.
M and Nr. Is 1300 THB for 1. 5 Hours in normal room.
B and Nr. Is 1500 THB 1. 5 Hours in normal room (Soap Body Massage).
Then there are Superstar. Sitting upstairs. They are 2000 THB up with good room.

This was about 1 year ago.

The first year I went there I managed to get the low pricing but the next year I got the higher pricing while using the same strategy both times. That being to avoid the papa and go direct to the pay desk with the number of the girl you want.

I do think that all things considered if the girl was pretty good looking then 2000 is not all that high of a price. The spotty service is not unusual. You might have better luck next time. I rode to Sayuri on a rented bicycle.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1612570]The first year I went there I managed to get the low pricing but the next year I got the higher pricing while using the same strategy both times. That being to avoid the papa and go direct to the pay desk with the number of the girl you want.

I do think that all things considered if the girl was pretty good looking then 2000 is not all that high of a price. The spotty service is not unusual. You might have better luck next time. I rode to Sayuri on a rented bicycle.[/QUOTE]It is not so much the price that concerns me, but what I can get for the price.

The Chiang Mai commercial sex scene is no longer good value for money. Anything even have decent is going to cost well over the odds, because it's become a case of supply and demand, for doing very little or out of desperation will end up with something that is barely fanciable, a desperation last effort because sod all else is on offer.

For those that want to visit the North of Thailand, see the sights and take in some women as well during the later hours are best to skip Chiang Mai and continue on to Chiang Rai. Although the bar scene in Chiang Rai is contained in a small area, there it is quality rather than quantity. In the towns multitude of massage parlours there are young pretty girls, some Thai, some Hill tribe, Burmese and Chinese that will offer full sex as standard service. When I was there last year I could obtain a full one hour oil massage from a desirable hot girl plus full sex for 250 baht massage and 1000 baht for a no hurried, no pressurised sex session. I was given as much time as it took and whether I tipped or how much I tipped was left up to me.

The small bars there all had young pretty girls, same mix as in the massage parlours, the grots were few and far between, completely the reverse of Chiang Mai and many of the bars had freelancers hanging about the bar areas, I was really spoilt for choice. Cost of bargirl, 1 lady drink 220 baht, 300 to 400 baht bar fine and 1000 baht back to my hotel room short time. An all nighter, between 1500 to 2000 baht. This is far, far, far better value than Chiang Mai and also Chiang Rai does not seem to have been affected by the clamp downs that has practically demolished the adult entertainment venues of Chiang Mai over the years and very relaxed. Many of the Chiang Rai bars were open right through the night.

Not all Chiang Rai massage parlours have full sex on offer, but it's easy to tell the one's that do just by their appearance, unlike Chiang Mai where most of it is hit and miss.

Chiang Rai can no way be compared with Bangkok or Pattaya, but monger wise it certainly offers much better quality for cheaper than Chiang Mai and it also has many interesting tours and sight attractions to visit and see. All I am saying is, that for mongering and more, Chiang Rai is definitely worth a visit.

Thank you for your helpful thoughts on Chiang Rai, Mr Tick. Might you perhaps have any recommendations for hotels there?

[QUOTE=Reporter2010;1617747]Thank you for your helpful thoughts on Chiang Rai, Mr Tick. Might you perhaps have any recommendations for hotels there?[/QUOTE]Before you get carried away I recommend you read other posters comments on mr Ticks exploits in Chiang rai:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1034-Other-Areas[/URL]

[QUOTE=Reporter2010;1617747]Thank you for your helpful thoughts on Chiang Rai, Mr Tick. Might you perhaps have any recommendations for hotels there?[/QUOTE]To give the full story:

Last year a friend visited us in Chiang Mai from England and we decided to have a trip to Chiang Rai for a few days, in which I haven't visited for many years.

First we went on a one day organised tour. Cost 1000 baht each for the trip in an air conditioned mini bus, that included all the main tourist areas including right up to the Burmese border, the hill tribes, white temple, the black house, opium museum and the Golden triangle, with a nice lunch thrown in. It was great and well worth the money.

The night life and adult scene although only covering a very small area and mainly in the Jet Jod or Jet Rod Road whatever it's called areas, hardly mentioned in the mongers guides, I found had a lot more on offer and far cheaper than any of the much larger adult entertainment areas in Chiang Mai.

Massage parlours: A standard oil massage in an average no frills massage parlour that are abundant in Chiang Rai was priced from 250 baht up to 300 baht per hour. But many of the girls were young lookers, totally the reverse to the old granny parlours of Chiang Mai and at least 90% of these girls were offering full sex. I was surprised because in most of the parlours I visited I did not even have to work at it, the girls made it quite clear that boom boom was on offer if I wanted it. Cost for a full 1 hour massage followed by some no hurried full sex totalled 1300 baht. 300 for the massage. 1000 for the sex. Tip: Take your own condoms, as some of the girls did not have any available and quite rightly they won't perform without them.

Bars: There are a good many small open bars in the Jet Rod Road and surrounding areas. These appeared to have escaped all the clampdowns and restrictions that have fated Chiang Mai. Many of the bars are open right through the night, the girls were openly displaying their wares to all and sundry and most important, the majority are young lookers, nothing like the skank located in the Chiang Mai, Loi Kroh Road. A takeaway back to our hotel was 300 baht bar fine and 1000 baht for a couple of hours with the girl, maybe all night if she likes you. The lady drinks were a bit of a rip off, priced between 220 baht to 300 baht a shot. But after only buying 1 lady drink and some idle chat, the girls were quite willing to go with me, so that wasn't really a problem. I made the most of it and filled my boots at every opportunity.

Another good surprise were the numerous decent Farang food restaurants that seemed to have sprung up since my last visit years before, and again these were far cheaper and better value than the Western style restaurants of Chiang Mai.

The only downside that during the days we were there, between January 16th to January 24th, it was cold, very cold, even at the hotel where we stayed. But luckily there were no problems getting a bed warmer for the night from one of the nearby bars, and then things soon began to warm up.

I would recommend a trip to Chiang Rai, a town that although the adult entertainments are on a smaller scale, has much more and better quality for cheaper options on offer for the monger. I also found the Thais and the Farangs I met in Chiang Rai were very friendly and socialable. We soon made friends in the bars that we visited.

We stayed at the Golden Triangle Inn, which was 5 minutes walk from main bars and massage parlour areas.

Very cheap, about 700 baht per night, but I don't recommend it for the main reason being is that most of the rooms structures are made of wood and every move we made could be over heard by the whole block. My friend was staying in the adjoining room and we could talk to each other through the wall as if we were in the same room. So when we took girls back to the hotel the deeds had to be done very quietly. Luckily it was not the high season and my 2 friends and I were the only guests staying in the block during that time, otherwise it may have been rather embarrassing.

Having only stayed at the hotel mentioned above, I can't really recommend any others. Best to check these out online.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1618013]To give the full story:

Last year a friend visited us in Chiang Mai from England and we decided to have a trip to Chiang Rai for a few days, in which I haven't visited for many years.......
....I would recommend a trip to Chiang Rai, a town that although the adult entertainments are on a smaller scale, has much more and better quality for cheaper options on offer for the monger. I also found the Thais and the Farangs I met in Chiang Rai were very friendly and socialable. We soon made friends in the bars that we visited......

We stayed at the Golden Triangle Inn, which was 5 minutes walk from main bars and massage parlour areas.

Very cheap, about 700 baht per night.............[/QUOTE]Very cheap at 700 / night with paperwalls?

And the findings of *man, post 1575 ,other areas:

The massage parlours are nothing like as described above. Far from being full of 'young lookers', most of the ladies look like they're in their 30's or 40's. I did see one young looker and went in for a massage but she only offered a hand job, not open to oral or full sex at all. So I just had the massage which she was clearly disappointed with. I did hear one guy go at it in the cubicle next to me so I'm sure most of the ladies are up for it, but they're all very average looking so I wouldn't bother.

There are a few bars with average looking ladies. I've seen one or two who I'd call good lookers but nothing worth a 300 baht lady drink (WTF! A tuk-tuk driver offered to take me to 'boom boom lady' so I'm sure there's more out there but not in Jet Rod Road, which is mainly a backpacker area.

I've lived in Thailand over 10 years and just moved to CM recently. For the first few weeks I kept thinking I just hadn't "found" the good bars for friendly fun bar girls yet, but now thinking that the overall bar girl attitude here is the worst I've found anywhere in Thailand. Am I missing something? Is this a particularly bad year / season?

I was please to fined this forum, but after reading most of the posts for the last year it seems everyone has similar unsatisfying reports. During quiet hours the girls can't seem to be bothered to look up from their mobile phones to muster a "Hello, welcome, where you come from?" Is it that things are so slow here the they can't even imagine being bar fined? They seem to fake a little more interest towards closing time, but once bar fined, the few girls I've taken you just want to rush to the payoff, and want big bucks for a crappy screw. There seems little interest in repeat customers as they are always fishing for the biggest tourist fools.

Girls elsewhere in the country seem to value having fun and generating steady customers. The basic values held by any good business person. I've had reliable "steadies" in other parts of Thailand that love to have a good time, love to screw, and always take great care of a steady customer. So far that seems a hopeless goal in CM. Any advise?

The ideal girl in this industry loves sex, and there are lots of Thai girls that really enjoy their work. It's not that the prices girls here quote are too steep. They just don't really take pride in great service. Girls in BKK, Pattaya, and Phuket, seem to seek praise for being great in bed.

After a few rushed and less than satisfying experiences with CM bar girls I had a cutie from Pattaya hop on a bus. She screwed my brains out for three nights and was very happy with 4,500 baht for the three night stay.

My ideal would be to find a local or two that really enjoys her time outside the bar and happy for a reasonable rate for a steady client. Where are the great girls with the GFE attitude and enough business sense to be happy with a reasonable fee earned frequently?

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1623915]I've lived in Thailand over 10 years and just moved to CM recently. For the first few weeks I kept thinking I just hadn't "found" the good bars for friendly fun bar girls yet, but now thinking that the overall bar girl attitude here is the worst I've found anywhere in Thailand. Am I missing something? Is this a particularly bad year / season?

I was please to fined this forum, but after reading most of the posts for the last year it seems everyone has similar unsatisfying reports. During quiet hours the girls can't seem to be bothered to look up from their mobile phones to muster a "Hello, welcome, where you come from?" Is it that things are so slow here the they can't even imagine being bar fined? They seem to fake a little more interest towards closing time, but once bar fined, the few girls I've taken you just want to rush to the payoff, and want big bucks for a crappy screw. There seems little interest in repeat customers as they are always fishing for the biggest tourist fools.

Girls elsewhere in the country seem to value having fun and generating steady customers. The basic values held by any good business person. I've had reliable "steadies" in other parts of Thailand that love to have a good time, love to screw, and always take great care of a steady customer. So far that seems a hopeless goal in CM. Any advise?

The ideal girl in this industry loves sex, and there are lots of Thai girls that really enjoy their work. It's not that the prices girls here quote are too steep. They just don't really take pride in great service. Girls in BKK, Pattaya, and Phuket, seem to seek praise for being great in bed.

After a few rushed and less than satisfying experiences with CM bar girls I had a cutie from Pattaya hop on a bus. She screwed my brains out for three nights and was very happy with 4,500 baht for the three night stay.

My ideal would be to find a local or two that really enjoys her time outside the bar and happy for a reasonable rate for a steady client. Where are the great girls with the GFE attitude and enough business sense to be happy with a reasonable fee earned frequently?[/QUOTE]If you are the type that enjoys a good bar scene, a decent social and nightlife and value for money hot, horny Thai girls, than you may have made a huge blunder moving to Chiang Mai and BTW, the traditional Hello-Welcome was banned here by the police about 5 or 6 years ago, a rule imposed as a part of no touting for business outside of the bar premises. Still heard on occasions but it's rare these days.

I can only repeat what I mentioned in one of my previous posts:

I have covered every aspect of the Chiang Mai commercial sex scene, or should say; lack of it on this thread.

So I will pass this one over to the other ISG members because I would be interested to see if they can muster up something that I have missed or haven't discovered yet. Hoping it's not the handful of skanky bars in the Loi Kroh again and someone has some better information to offer? I certainly don't.

I also found Chiangmai one of the more boring places I have been to in this regard.

Any knowledge of online hookup site / apps popular with freelancers in CM?

Seems locals using ThaiFriendly are looking for true love.

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1626386]Any knowledge of online hookup site / apps popular with freelancers in CM?

Seems locals using ThaiFriendly are looking for true love.[/QUOTE]No there ain't any for Chiang Mai and I mean that literally.

If you go into the craigslist Thailand personal ads, women wanting to meet men, there are scores of ads on there. But once you hit the exclusive Chiang Mai section the whole list disappears. In the craigslist Thailand Chiang Mai casual encounter section there is one or 2 skanky escorts offering quickies for a minimum of 2000 baht and that's about it.

As for the dating sites, again the Chiang Mai list is very limited and some of those girls come across as being so pure that they could almost qualify for becoming Nuns. I have also tried POF (Plenty of Fish) The Adult Hub and DIA (Date in Asia) but never had any successes. There are some who claim to have had successes on the dating sites, but for me I do not have the patience to start chatting up some women on those sites maybe for a period of several weeks just for a one night stand, and it's all very hit and miss plus the difficulties of filtering through all the time wasters, scammers, those just in it for a lot of money or those just trying to divert you to a pay subscribe porn or cam site.

Then there are the so-called adult dating sites that make huge claims that if you join their sites they have hot girls in our local areas just seeking sex. Such as; Adult Friend Finding, Fuckbook and a few others. But you have to pay a lot of dosh to find out if their claims are true and I am sceptical.

I have also tried my luck on facebook, but again nothing for Chiang Mai. There are the Thai sideliners offering sexual services on facebook, but their profiles are all in Thai. Just copy and paste this: ขายตัว; into the search on facebook and they will appear. But again still very limited regarding Chiang Mai.

There are various online Chiang Mai escort agencies loaded with photoshopped images of women. But most of these women are demanding a minimum of 5000 baht just to turn up and acknowledge you exist, and that's before prices are agreed and haggled for any sexual services required.

Try this: type into Google search, Chiang Mai Locator. Go into Chiang Mai Locator and type in: massage, into the search box, press enter. Virtually every massage parlour and spa in Chiang Mai will be listed on the page, including all those that offer extras. But most of them are simply gloried hand job parlours at very expensive rates and again come with mostly faked photoshopped pictures of girls on the pages.

And that's about it, unless anyone knows better?

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1626386]Any knowledge of online hookup site / apps popular with freelancers in CM?

Seems locals using ThaiFriendly are looking for true love.[/QUOTE]Best option if you read the cm board seems overall if you find a massage girl, get the massage at the shop and get her subsequently to come to your place.

If she agrees to come to your hotel or apartment chances that you get to shag her for a nominal fee compared to the bar beer ripoff are better than average.

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1626386]Any knowledge of online hookup site / apps popular with freelancers in CM?

Seems locals using ThaiFriendly are looking for true love.[/QUOTE]Just ask the hotel boy to send you some good looking girl for massage to your room. Once there, you can negotiate. However, you have to have luck to get a good looking chick. I did. Then again, I tipped the boy well. Before not after.

[QUOTE=JoeZop;10577]Since this lonely area doesn't yet have anything going on, I figure I'll start it out with a question -- does anyone know anything about longer-term lodging options in Chiang Mai that are clean, air-conditioned, secure? (And, of course, girl-friendly, though I'm presuming most will be in this area.) I'm looking to make the area kind of a home base on my trip this fall, and will be looking to rent on a montly basis (at least two and possibly three months.) I'm not terribly worried about price, as the most expensive things I see are still ridiculously cheap; I'm more after the right kind of place, something I can basically make my home, and with decent facilities -- a pool and gym would be a plus. A two-bedroom apartment would be ideal, or some kind of suite with kitchen facilities.

I've found some options at [url]http://www.chiangmai-online.com,[/url] but I really don't know anything about those options other than that. Anybody have any experience or contacts they can offer?[/QUOTE]This place here is good - [URL]www.thailannaresort.com[/URL] - and the apartment has everything included kitchen and all if you want monthly rental with luxury of serviced living. Girl friendly of course.

[QUOTE=MondaysChilde;12604]By the way, that karaoke place in Chiang Mai was pretty lurid...the mamasan had all her girls doing "love pills" (ecstasy) and the place just oozed decadent sex like some chinatown opium den trip...Zen you remember that night...after that experience I went and did the mamasan at one of the clubs along the east canal (blech!).

My new wife knows how I am, and I look forward to posting on some China stops in the future.[/QUOTE]I am assuming that everyone is aware that the Karaoke's in Chiang Mai are unregulated, mob controlled and beers can cost up the poor punter $1000 each there. They are the biggest scam in Chiang Mai and above the law. Beer bars are a safer option.

[QUOTE=TonyChiangMai;1630516]I am assuming that everyone is aware that the Karaoke's in Chiang Mai are unregulated, mob controlled and beers can cost up the poor punter $1000 each there. They are the biggest scam in Chiang Mai and above the law. Beer bars are a safer option.[/QUOTE]The tell tale indications that an establishment offering so-called sexual services is best avoided, if they have Karaoke, Spa, VIP and Club included in their names. I know of guys that have been fleeced for 50000 baht in those places, Refuse to pay, can't pay, than it will turn out to be a night the customer will never forget.

The attractive girls (bait) sitting about outside tempting customers in are sirens and once in their clutches the customers can be held for ransom, even physically escorted to an ATM. Go to the police for assistance, they will tell the customer, more fool you for going in there.

Greetings. I usually buy in Bangkok, but next trip am flying directly into Chiang Mai. Are there any good pharmacies selling this? I'm looking at retiring to CM next year, and this will be a scouting trip. I've been to CM several times and lived in Bangkok long, long ago. I'll also get up to Chiang Rai for a few days, and hope to check out the massage places / bars there. This isn't a mongering trip, but will definitely check out some bars in the CM pool league. Any favorites for a somewhat serious pool player? Cheers.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1636012]Greetings. I usually buy in Bangkok, but next trip am flying directly into Chiang Mai. Are there any good pharmacies selling this? I'm looking at retiring to CM next year, and this will be a scouting trip. I've been to CM several times and lived in Bangkok long, long ago. I'll also get up to Chiang Rai for a few days, and hope to check out the massage places / bars there. This isn't a mongering trip, but will definitely check out some bars in the CM pool league. Any favorites for a somewhat serious pool player? Cheers.[/QUOTE]The pharmacy a few doors down from back canyon coffee at the thapee gate.

- jf.

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1599068]Thanks all for the info. Hopefully I'll make it to Chiang Mai in a few months and will report on what I find.[/QUOTE]This is intended primarily for infrequent visitors to CM and those trying to decide if the visit there is worth it.

I've made about a dozen or so visits to CM over the last 20+ years. My mongering style is limited to fishbowl-style massage parlors (MPs). I don't go to bars, so don't have any info on them, but just walking around the town at night, I'd fully agree with A. T. That the bar scene is non-existent or very bad. Nor do I have any info on any online options.

In my early visits, in the early to mid 90's, I also sampled some lady houses, some in Nimmanhaemin Road area, some in the southern parts of the city. I didn't like the experience much, preferring MPs instead, and haven't visited them since. I wouldn't be surprised if their number is greatly reduced now, considering how upscale CM has become.

Of the 5 or so fishbowl-style MPs that exist in CM, Sayuri had been my favorite since my first visit until early 2000's when CM Hills became my top pick. In those early visits, in the early 90's, both the selection and service were outstanding. The very first girl I pulled from Sayuri ended up becoming my GF for a week. Another one, a few years later was even better. My best mongering experience ever. I very much doubt that kind of experience would be available today, sad to say.

By early 2000's, the decline in the selection and service levels had become noticeable. Still, I never failed to find what I was looking for, and still preferred mongering in CM over any other place. This decline, unfortunately, continues. If in the past the challenge was picking the best girl from among many doable ones, now it's just trying to find one doable one from 15-20 in the fishbowl. Challenging, but not impossible. On my latest visit, sometimes I had to shuttle between several different places, but in the end never failed to have a satisfying experience. Service levels have gone down too, but still among the best in the world in my opinion- this is still LOS after all. Perhaps surprisingly, real prices (adjusted for inflation and exchange rates) haven't gone up much if at all.

So in summary, I'd say that if your primary purpose is mongering, or if you like bars and traditional expat-oriented nightlife, CM is not your place. But if you're coming here for touristic reasons but want some actions on the side, in a Thai-oriented atmosphere, you'll find it, and with some luck, have as good a time as anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1645081]This is intended primarily for infrequent visitors to CM and those trying to decide if the visit there is worth it.

I've made about a dozen or so visits to CM over the last 20+ years. My mongering style is limited to fishbowl-style massage parlors (MPs). I don't go to bars, so don't have any info on them, but just walking around the town at night, I'd fully agree with A. T. That the bar scene is non-existent or very bad. Nor do I have any info on any online options.

In my early visits, in the early to mid 90's, I also sampled some lady houses, some in Nimmanhaemin Road area, some in the southern parts of the city. I didn't like the experience much, preferring MPs instead, and haven't visited them since. I wouldn't be surprised if their number is greatly reduced now, considering how upscale CM has become.

Of the 5 or so fishbowl-style MPs that exist in CM, Sayuri had been my favorite since my first visit until early 2000's when CM Hills became my top pick...[/QUOTE]Thanks for summarizing nicely. Saved me quite a bit of reading. Looks like it is a place for tourists rather than look for fair girls which can be found in Nataree.

Sometime I just want an affectionate hand job, delivered slowly by a girl that can pretend to like me, but who is in other ways not so experienced. For all its shortcomings as a P4P destination, Chiangmai can deliver this. OT is well known, and there are some cuties in the fishbowl (many ethnic Lisu from Maehongson) who are really not in the trade, but dabbling. I like those. I want to put in a good word for two other places that don't get the credit they deserve: Il Buco on Moon Muang Road just north of Loi Kroh, and a little shop with no name that's straight across to the rip-off Muay Thai spot further down Loi Kroh toward the river. That one marked by a tatoo sign. It's very small and been there for years. Most of the girls in the no-name place aren't young or good looking, but there is one, friendly girl named Sai who says she is 20. Looks no older. Not sure why she's there, maybe compelled. But she's sweet, and she'll get naked on request. I'll share more when I get time. This is my first post. I hope that other members will talk more about little, lesser-known places in Chiangmai where the girls are friendly. I can speak a little Thai, but I think the services I'm talking about don't require it. CM is not such a desert you know.

Read back a ways and have not seen any good Chiang Mai hotel recommendations. Mid range price where P4P is in reach. Plan to do some sight seeing too. A good tour?

More of a break trip from 8 days in Pattaya but would like to be able to "partake"should the need arise.

Thanks.

Lifted above paragraph from another user a few threads ago. If anyone has any suggestions for a nice, not too old hotel in central area, please let me know. (something similar to Citadines 23 or Admiral Premier in BKK).

Thanks

[QUOTE=Margaya;1657019]Read back a ways and have not seen any good Chiang Mai hotel recommendations. Mid range price where P4P is in reach. Plan to do some sight seeing too. A good tour?

More of a break trip from 8 days in Pattaya but would like to be able to "partake"should the need arise.

Thanks.

Lifted above paragraph from another user a few threads ago. If anyone has any suggestions for a nice, not too old hotel in central area, please let me know. (something similar to Citadines 23 or Admiral Premier in BKK).

Thanks[/QUOTE]Daret's Guesthouse along the river and near Night Bazaar was nice when I stayed there a few years ago. It was friendly and GF too. Yaang Come is nice looking property and also accessible to Loi Kroh where CM's limited P4 P scene is concentrated. But might be more couple / family oriented. There are a lot of places on Changklan, like Shangri La.

[QUOTE=HJLoveCraft;1657110]Daret's Guesthouse along the river and near Night Bazaar was nice when I stayed there a few years ago. It was friendly and GF too. Yaang Come is nice looking property and also accessible to Loi Kroh where CM's limited P4 P scene is concentrated. But might be more couple / family oriented. There are a lot of places on Changklan, like Shangri La.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will check out Daret's Guesthouse. Have short listed some others too such as Pornping, Chaing Mai plaza etc but they all seem old for some reason.

[QUOTE=HJLoveCraft;1656749]Sometime I just want an affectionate hand job, delivered slowly by a girl that can pretend to like me, but who is in other ways not so experienced. For all its shortcomings as a P4P destination, Chiangmai can deliver this. OT is well known, and there are some cuties in the fishbowl (many ethnic Lisu from Maehongson) who are really not in the trade, but dabbling. I like those. I want to put in a good word for two other places that don't get the credit they deserve: Il Buco on Moon Muang Road just north of Loi Kroh, and a little shop with no name that's straight across to the rip-off Muay Thai spot further down Loi Kroh toward the river. That one marked by a tatoo sign. It's very small and been there for years. Most of the girls in the no-name place aren't young or good looking, but there is one, friendly girl named Sai who says she is 20. Looks no older. Not sure why she's there, maybe compelled. But she's sweet, and she'll get naked on request. I'll share more when I get time. This is my first post. I hope that other members will talk more about little, lesser-known places in Chiangmai where the girls are friendly. I can speak a little Thai, but I think the services I'm talking about don't require it. CM is not such a desert you know.[/QUOTE]That Il Buco you mention, I approached the place once and was quoted 350 baht for an oil massage and 700 baht by an older woman for a special massage that I guessed was a HJ.

The younger woman that you mention, who I guess is in popular demand as the majority of the staff are grots, I was told by a friend that she or another woman there roughly the same age, asked 1000 baht for a HJ and 2000 baht for her to undress and give a HJ, not including the massage fee or tips. Type in Il Buco massage, on Utube and watch their video.

I have visited the OT massage a couple of times in the past and on each visit have walked out of their greatly disappointed. First the customer has to get through a barrage of papa sams or pimps that determine the prices by how much they think a customer will pay. All the first price negotiating has to be haggled with them before even considering having a massage. Then once in the room with a girl she will start another how much you give me haggling process, like being locked in a room with a high pressure insurance salesman. One girl offered me full sex for 1000 baht not including the massage. I agreed, she took her underwear off only, got on top of me and said; you have 2 minutes to get this over with. That was 4 years ago and have never been back. Unless things have improved since that somehow I doubt, I definitely would not recommend any of these massage parlours, not from my personal experiences anyway.

What I am interested in is getting a decent shag, by even a half decent looking girl at a not cheap but a fair and reasonable price. But that no longer seems available in Chiang Mai or only by luck or chance. Got bored of the no frills HJs long ago.

The advice is, that the massage parlours in the centre of town, the more touristy areas, are definitely not good value for money, they are mostly quicky HJs by women that have little or no massage skills for the cost of that would be for full sex in some areas of Thailand. A few minutes rub over with some cheap smelly gunk and a quick HJ for 1000 plus baht in my opinion is a rip off.

The best bet but still very hit and miss, is to try the massage parlours outside the main drag, located away from the more tourist areas, where the chances are that the services will be cheaper and the staff more obliging due to appreciating the business more having to deal with less tourists and customers during the day. They are around for those who don't mind doing some searching online. Avoid the places that have, club, karaoke, spa and VIP listed in their names, these are rip off big time, I have heard of many horror stories coming out of those places.

On average an oil massage should not cost any more than between 250 to 350 baht per hour and a quicky no frills, no touch HJ from a girl that seems to have 10 ft long arms dressed in sealed tight grope proof clothing is only worth between 300 to 400 baht, 500 baht if the girl lets the customer have a grope, all excluding the prices of the so-called massage The cost of anything over and above that the girl is willing to perform then should be negotiable between her and the customer.

All the Chiang Mai adult entertainments and commercial sex establishments are listed on Chiang Mai Locator. If it's not listed on there, than the chances are it doesn't or long longer exists.

Type: Chiang Mai Locator, into Google search and it's the first on the list. Once into the website scroll right down to the bottom of the page and there is a list. Click on: Chiang Mai Male Entertainment.

It gives the option of subscribing to the insiders guide for 1600 baht per year claiming that it has details to be found no where else. But viewing everything is completely free except it is very basic. It doesn't give many reviews, but it display photos of the places. Ignore the pictures of all the beautiful sexy young girls, they're all fake.

Chiang Mai Locator does provide a reasonable guide as to what's available for the monger in Chiang Mai. If a listed place interests you and there is not enough details, then it is easy once armed with the name to search elsewhere on the Internet.

I was in Chiang Mai for two weeks to check out the place as a possible place to live. Great small city, tons of high quality yet cheaply priced food, people are much nicer here than in Bangkok and they don't 'fake' smile as much as the Bangkokians, has a interesting Laguna Beach / San Fran vibe there. And while I don't care much for these bearded backpacker 20 something type foreigners there trying to make a penny of their blogs, Chiang Mai is a great city.

With that said, everything is great except for. A NIGHTLIFE. I will be honest and didn't explore more like I should have, but overall the nightlife seems to be non-existant. There were a few karaoke bar places with very attractive girls around Old City, but it looked like one of those places as soon as you buy a few drinks, you will get a big tab for 4 to 5 K THB with no happy ending. I've been hearing about the massage parlors and will surely hit that up next, but you can tell that Chiang Mai overall is a big dud for nightlife in comparison to BK.

I did go to Chiang Rai and was very dissapointed with the nightlife there. But then again, a small town like that which is just north of Chiang Mai, it shouldn't be to anyone's surprise. I did go to the area (its been a few months since I was there so forgot the exact street area) where the action is at, and its poorly set up. Its a bunch of mini bars with 1-3 girls on average. Alot of these girls don't really give you the vibe that they are down for action or if they are milking you for more drinks. I did happen to try one place that had three girls with one decent looking one. They just told me to sit down and asked me for a drink. I ordered beer and it was nothing but uncomfortable silenece between the girl and I. The vibe was weird.

I sensed that these places maybe geared towards the type that likes to hang out for a couple of hours with a girl, buy her drinks the whole night, and not have a too-expensive tab at the end of the night with hopes of scoring. This is not my place. No way. The one thing that did save the trip for me which was quite funny was going to the MP that's talked about. The girls there are old and don't have good bodies, but there might be a few milfs that are a bit thin.

I happen to score with this lady who looked to have a nice body (and she did. She was a mountain girl based on her shoulders and legs), but up close, this lady looked like a granny! She looked to be in her early 50's. Maybe pushing 55. But WOW, the sesssion was great and she was into it! I never thought doing a granny would have been this interesting! LOL! Would I do it again? Hell no. But I did pay upfront, I figured. 'ah, what the hell. I'm horny in Chiang Rai so lets make something out of nothing' and I got my moneys worth it. Again, I wouldn't do it but it was quite an interesting experience to say the least.

On a side tangent, there is no way I could live in Chiang Rai. Way too quiet, not much to do especially when you have Chiang Mai next door. I think Chiang Rai is great to start a family and all. Its certainly a cozy town so in that regards, I could see one wanting to make that move there.

In summary, Chiang Rai IMO hands down beats Bangkok overall for everything else except for the nightlife. BK has an excellent nightlife (no, the girls are nowhere near the quality of Angeles. But its nice to eat at a nice steakhouse, get a good stroll and head into Nana or Cowboy.). If Chiang Mai had even a small nightlife then I would move out there in a heartbeat. It really does beat BK hands down. But zero nightlife in CM is unacceptable. One could I guess visit BK once a month and 'splurge' on a weekend trip I guess.

The commercial monger scene or lack of it is very dismal in Chiang Mai. Unfortunately for me I have made foundations and live here. Travelling southwards to Bangkok from Chiang Mai is no short hop plus all the expense of staying at hotels and travelling fares hardly makes the trip viable. It could cost a small fortune staying in Bangkok just for a few days.

I am truly amazed how the Chiang Mai adult entertainments and social scene has dwindled down to literally nothing over the years, and virtually nothing available online. How can this be possible in Thailand's second biggest city? Even back in the UK there was more available advertised in the local newspapers and online at reasonable rates than in Chiang Mai. I can remember only a couple of years ago getting full sex in outer London for £30 from a 19 year old girl in her own house, advertised as massage in the local newspaper. That's 1500 baht everything included, and probably a lot cheaper than going with a bargirl who is passed her sell by date, that involves drinks, bar fines, short time room and tips. So it now seems that Thailand is not such a good deal anymore, especially up here in the north. Really has become a great disappointment.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1664856]I was in Chiang Mai for two weeks to check out the place as a possible place to live.[/QUOTE]I just returned after 11 days there. I lived long ago in Bangkok, and have lived the past 13 yrs in Shanghai. I was ready to move / semi-retire to CM later in 2015, and this trip was just to confirm it (I have been there many times in the past). I'm an over 50 single and speak passable Thai.

My impression was the same as yours. The CM nightlife that I saw was so awful, and many of the expats I met (in the nightlife areas) dregs of society, that I'm now looking elsewhere. Likely Bangkok but perhaps Hua Hin. Living in Shanghai, Bangkok is not a big, unfriendly city compared to here. I'm surprised how boring I found CM (from a daily living standpoint), although the expats who live there (mostly married that I met outside of the bar areas) like the place. Perhaps its charms grow on you. The local Thais were certainly friendly.

I also went to Chiang Rai to the Jed Yod area, and nothing of interest there as well, but a nice area for tourism.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1666203]The commercial monger scene or lack of it is very dismal in Chiang Mai. Unfortunately for me I have made foundations and live here. [/QUOTE]If you live there and speak a little Thai (I suppose) then why don't you try the brothels that cater to the locals?

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1666723]I just returned after 11 days there. I lived long ago in Bangkok, and have lived the past 13 yrs in Shanghai...

My impression was the same as yours. The CM nightlife that I saw was so awful, and many of the expats I met (in the nightlife areas) dregs of society, that I'm now looking elsewhere. Likely Bangkok but perhaps Hua Hin. Living in Shanghai, Bangkok is not a big, unfriendly city compared to here. I'm surprised how boring I found CM (from a daily living standpoint)...[/QUOTE]Years before, so far I can remember, there were only one street exists (forget the name) for CM night life. Where end of the road have Thai boxing arena surrounded by cluster of bars. The fact is, this not only the P4 P scene exists in CM.

Just ask cab or tuktuk driver and he will make your tour about some specialized houses scattered all over the city. In one midnight 12.0 am to 4.00 am I had made a tour for about 8 houses. Every house have dozens of young girls. The service is insight or take out as per your choice. Although to avoid scam don't pay upfront even they will ask you hard.

I never used these houses, even specious but dirty, un-kept and block your nose just with nasty smell.

What do you guys mean when saying NO NIGHTLIFE? I imagine you refer to hooker related nightlife, or you mean there's little to do generally speaking?

Ok this is a sex related forum, just to be sure what you mean as I'm probably going to spend some time in CM.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1666812]If you live there and speak a little Thai (I suppose) then why don't you try the brothels that cater to the locals?[/QUOTE]3 years ago I visited one of the brothels that tries to disguise it's self as a noodle cafe. Inside the cafe were 2 girls in their early 20's. One of the girls looked thin and sick and the other girl I gave a 3 out of 10 and decided to chose her as there was nothing else. I had to do the price negotiating with an old lady in her 70's. I wasn`t bothered about the price then the old lady said, 300 baht, which I had to pay in advance and was surprised, dirt cheap I thought and maybe gave me the Thai price because I can speak the lingo. Then a guy led me and the girl to a high rise block of apartments close by. The building looked like it was meant to be residential flats but the builders had run out of money and it was left uncompleted and some of the rooms were being used as an unofficial brothel.

I was taken up to the fourth floor with the guy and the girl, then an old Thai man suddenly appeared on the scene. He began arguing with the other Thai guy that Farangs should not be allowed up here, but he lost and then the girl and I went into a room. As I entered the room the smell of the toilet, mildew and cats p-ss almost knocked me flat. Spread all over the floor were packets of condoms and used condoms lying all over the place. The girl hardly said a word to me, she got on the bed and again she was one of those who would only take off her underwear, it was to be a wham bam, no kiss, no touch, get it over with quick job.

I undressed and got onto the bed, then I realised that the smell of cats p-ss was actually on the bed, it seemed cats had been using it as a toilet. At this point I was trying hard not to vomit, even holding my breath, the smell was rancid. Then the girl just lay there like a corpse, with an expressionless face totally silent. That was it for me, I thought no way. I got off the bed, got dressed and gave the girl 200 baht tip to avoid any problems. When I decided enough was enough, the girl couldn't careless, she never said a word with a face a long as a kite. I walked out of the building and had never been back since.

When I returned home, my body and clothes stunk to high heaven from that place, had an ultra long shower and soaked my clothes in the washing machine all night. It was an awful experience and I wouldn't recommend those brothels to anyone, even if they were free.

Arthur Tick,

You are correct. It would cost a good amount of money just to do a two day 'getaway' from Chiang Mai to BK.

Airfaire R/ t- 100.

Decent Hotel-100 (2 nights totaled).

2 Girls / drinks-240 (2 nights /1 girl per night).

Food-Transport $100 (including taxi from airport to hotel which is not the cheapest, and eating pretty good in BK).

$550 or around 16,500 THB.

This is only for two nights and this is for a person like myself on a budget (around $1500/ month).

When I do the math, it does get expensive and this only for two days. I'd rather pay a grand and head to AC with that money for more days and more fun.

I could see maybe why you would be in Chiang Mai over BK, perhaps the same reason as me and like the laid back feel of CM. Though nightlife is ultra dismal.

At Mua Tur.

Even during my short term stay in CM I did get a little bored but it was a good boring (hard to explain). It was more of at 'peace with myself' kind of thing without getting new age here. I love walking and it was nice to see some trees besides mountains of buildings and concrete. I am also not a beach person and don't really care for that climate, so not seeing palm trees after palm trees or coconut trees was nice. My geographical type of areas are green cool mountains (sorta like in Hong Kong or South Korea) more so than beach, desert, farms, etc.

I also found the girls most attractive there and more open (I was at a night market by Old City and managed to Insta-date a cute local girl there but had to leave the following days to BK and was pointless keeping in contact with a monger like me in a place like that. LOL). The girls there have the best bodies IMO. Nice slender legs yet strong, with an actual 'butt' if I daresay (in BK, the girls tend to be long legged but flat and soft), very light skin and the best faces.

I also enjoyed the people's attitude more than BK (and parts of south even though South people are friendly. To a degree if they are not wearing their 'fake' mask like in BK). In BK the girls tend to be clicky and overly worry on their appearance, reputation, status, etc. If you want to see the 'save face' society at its highest degree, just go to a nice part of BK to see. I saw WAY less in Chiang Mai.

Again, I even got bored and thought to myself (man, I could be doing X, why and Z in BK. What am I doing in Chiang Mai) but I'm a bit of a health nut (like to exercise, like to eat somewhat healthy when I can) and Chiang Mai provides the best for me at very good prices. You are correct, I'm at that phase where I'm seeing which direction to go: BK? CM? Maybe Ill go crazy and choose AC (though I highly doubt it).

At Ziggy.

Well, if I was posting at a forum that doesn't involve the subject of prostitutes, then I would probably be speaking of the regular nightlife there. Since I am posting in a forum that's related to P4P, well. You can bet that I am speaking of P4P.

As for regular nightlife? I don't like clubs but I did manage to Instadate a cute spinner at a night market by accident as I was buying grilled chicken and sticky rice (she was trying to help me translate during the process).

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1666906]What do you guys mean when saying NO NIGHTLIFE? I imagine you refer to hooker related nightlife, or you mean there's little to do generally speaking?

Ok this is a sex related forum, just to be sure what you mean as I'm probably going to spend some time in CM.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I meant the hooker related nightlife and the single expats that were there or running the bars. Outside of those areas most expats were married to a Thai and all seemed to like it there, and were good people. I did find CM to be more boring to me in general than I had imagined. I have been there several times, and recommend it as a tourist destination (I've always enjoyed my brief vacations there). It's just too quiet for me to move there. The people in general and food were good. I've been living (and generally like it) in Shanghai with 24 million people and easy (hooker related or not) nightlife with loads of interesting expats and food choices, so perhaps Bangkok is a better fit for me.

The purpose of this trip was to determine if I wanted to live there, not to monger at dirty local Thai places for example. If you want to move there, find a Thai woman and settle down fairly cheaply to a peaceful life, you're at the right place.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1666966]3 years ago I visited one of the brothels that tries to disguise it's self as a noodle cafe. Inside the cafe were 2 girls in their early 20's. One of the girls looked thin and sick and the other girl I gave a 3 out of 10 and decided to chose her as there was nothing else. I had to do the price negotiating with an old lady in her 70's. I wasn`t bothered about the price then the old lady said, 300 baht, which I had to pay in advance and was surprised, dirt cheap I thought and maybe gave me the Thai price because I can speak the lingo. Then a guy led me and the girl to a high rise block of apartments close by. The building looked like it was meant to be residential flats but the builders had run out of money and it was left uncompleted and some of the rooms were being used as an unofficial brothel.

I was taken up to the fourth floor with the guy and the girl, then an old Thai man suddenly appeared on the scene. He began arguing with the other Thai guy that Farangs should not be allowed up here, but he lost and then the girl and I went into a room. As I entered the room the smell of the toilet, mildew and cats p-ss almost knocked me flat. Spread all over the floor were packets of condoms and used condoms lying all over the place. The girl hardly said a word to me, she got on the bed and again she was one of those who would only take off her underwear, it was to be a wham bam, no kiss, no touch, get it over with quick job.

I undressed and got onto the bed, then I realised that the smell of cats p-ss was actually on the bed, it seemed cats had been using it as a toilet. At this point I was trying hard not to vomit, even holding my breath, the smell was rancid. Then the girl just lay there like a corpse, with an expressionless face totally silent. That was it for me, I thought no way. I got off the bed, got dressed and gave the girl 200 baht tip to avoid any problems. When I decided enough was enough, the girl couldn't careless, she never said a word with a face a long as a kite. I walked out of the building and had never been back since.

When I returned home, my body and clothes stunk to high heaven from that place, had an ultra long shower and soaked my clothes in the washing machine all night. It was an awful experience and I wouldn't recommend those brothels to anyone, even if they were free.[/QUOTE]OK, so you once visisted a brothel and it happened to be one at the lower (or even lowest) end. And you never tried to find a better place? I'm pretty sure there must be plenty of options in Thailand's second biggest city. I cannot imagine that all the Thai men in Chiang Mai go to filthy places like the one you described. Even Thai men have their limits, LOL!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1667077]OK, so you once visisted a brothel and it happened to be one at the lower (or even lowest) end. And you never tried to find a better place? I'm pretty sure there must be plenty of options in Thailand's second biggest city. I cannot imagine that all the Thai men in Chiang Mai go to filthy places like the one you described. Even Thai men have their limits, LOL![/QUOTE]Obviously I have tried to find better places, please read all my many other posts on this thread.

As for all these abundance of better options, after several years of participating on this Chiang Mai thread, I am still waiting in anticipation for someone to enlighten us of where these places are? Names, details and locations?

From what I'm reading here and there it seems the P4 P scene is very poor in CM, shame.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1667039]At Mua Tur.

Again, I even got bored and thought to myself (man, I could be doing X, why and Z in BK. What am I doing in Chiang Mai) but I'm a bit of a health nut (like to exercise, like to eat somewhat healthy when I can) and Chiang Mai provides the best for me at very good prices. You are correct, I'm at that phase where I'm seeing which direction to go: BK? CM? Maybe Ill go crazy and choose AC (though I highly doubt it)...[/QUOTE]If the vibe of night life is one of your issues to make your decision, will you going to reside or not, than certainly CM may not be the first choice. Instead of you may count another city in Isaan that is Udon Thani (despite Angels: lack of safety, food to be get poisoned and every girl in haunt to take them out with you a nirvana to leave their country). Udon is a quite place with your all needs with a very lively night life.

CM is a place if you want to settle down with one girl that you had found for your life. Or you have such capabilities (language skill and money spending), you may find freebies that you may count. Years before I get a contact from Badoo and made me fly to CM. Lately I found she is a provider and I get back to pavilion. Since I can not speak a single word of Thai.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1667364]If the vibe of night life is one of your issues to make your decision, will you going to reside or not, than certainly CM may not be the first choice. Instead of you may count another city in Isaan that is Udon Thani (despite Angels: lack of safety, food to be get poisoned and every girl in haunt to take them out with you a nirvana to leave their country). Udon is a quite place with your all needs with a very lively night life.

CM is a place if you want to settle down with one girl that you had found for your life. Or you have such capabilities (language skill and money spending), you may find freebies that you may count. Years before I get a contact from Badoo and made me fly to CM. Lately I found she is a provider and I get back to pavilion. Since I can not speak a single word of Thai.[/QUOTE]CM is good. I am here and checked many places. Just different prices.

[QUOTE=Taichi2013;1669635]CM is good. I am here and checked many places. Just different prices.[/QUOTE]Well, it's a start for a first report. Where are those places, what are the prices and what are the girls like? At least I suppose you are talking about girls and not ice cream.

I live a reasonable distance outside the main city of Chiang Mai and not having visited the town for sometime, decided to drive in on my motorbike and survey the traditional massage parlours around the area just to discover if the scene has remained the same, or changed either for better or worse. What I found was that the scene has changed much more than I would have expected.

Here is my report from my visit into the town, Thursday, January 15,2015, from 11.00 am morning until 7. 00 pm late evening.

I began driving around the outskirts of the town entering from Chiang Mai Land area, into the main drag and then exploring all the areas, must have covered every square mile including the main roads leading off the Tapae Road, the Tapae Gate, the Chiang Mai Gate, Huay kaew Road then back into the centre of town, the Loi Kroh Road right through to the river and night bazaar. I stopped at every traditional massage parlour I came across on route just to have a quick peak at the staff and actually went into one parlour for an oil massage.

Mostly every single massage parlour I came across on my travels was staffed by middle aged and elderly women. What I did note was that there seemed to be many more very old women, some in their 60's and even guys working these parlours the likes of I had rarely seen in the past. Perhaps business has declined in the gay massage parlours and many of the man massage guys are moving in to the traditional parlour establishments. I must have perused scores of parlours and rarely did I see any young or youngish female staff. The older women have become masters at making themselves appear younger from a distance, they have clever tactics of calling and waving to customers or standing or sitting just inside their premises that have dim discrete lighting or in the shade and it's not until they are approached closely does it become apparent that they are old hags wearing thick makeup, dyed hair or wigs and are mutton dressed like lambs. The very few places I did see that had younger female staff members the girls always appeared to be of a certain kind, short, fat with stumpy short legs, some wearing mini skirts with legs like tree trunks, totally unattractive. I would rate them as being a 1 out of 10. Another ploy is they put a few young lookers on display sitting outside a parlour and once inside an old granny appears from behind a curtain to perform the massage. I got caught out myself once with this trick. Approached one of the lookers, requested a one hour oil massage. The girl lead me inside, I watched her prepare the oil and towels then she lead me inside a curtailed cubicle and told me to undress then she walked out. I was laying there all excited then an old granny sneaked in between the curtains to perform the massage. Since then I always ask the staff who or what is going to give me the massage?

I stopped outside one massage parlour on the approach to the Pantip Plaza about 1. 5 kilometres outside the town. It was staffed by younger women including 2 men. So I decided to go in for an oil massage. I got one of the fat girls, probably in her late 20's maybe early 30's. At first she seemed pleasant enough. Then within the first 10 minutes of the massage she without warning grabbed my dick and said; I give you special massage you give me 1000 baht. Usually when they do this is a great put off for me and considering I was going to continue my survey after this place I told the girl, thanks for the offer, but no thanks, just the massage please. Then she said; 700 baht and again I replied; no thank you, but she was not going to give in and kept on and on and on. After the next 15 minutes of what felt like being locked in a room with a high pressure nagging insurance salesman my nerves broke, got up, got dressed and walked outside to a women on a till. I complained bitterly and instead of paying the 300 baht fee I gave 200 baht. Then the till lady apologised and said; hope to see you next time, I replied you'll never see me again. From there I headed to the Loi Kroh Road. Some few and far between reasonable lookers there, but from experience and what friends have told me these places have become fast, aggressive and furious happy ending parlours, sometimes demanding silly money so I decided not to try any out. Other roads leading off the Loi Kroh, still old hags and even ladyboys. Then into the night Bazaar. Parked my motorbike and had a walk about. These parlours were staffed by many men and aging women. I did see one looker but I know from experience that the parlours in that area are geared up for tourists very prim and proper, never heard of anyone receiving happy endings or FS from those establishments, plus some have increased their hourly oil massage rates to 400 baht. From there done a few more kilometres but it was mostly the same, old hags or the odd guys.

On the last stage of my survey I ended up in a remote soi not far from the Thai Cultural Centre that leads to the main Seripi duel carriageway route. By accident I stumbled across the Teen-ee massage parlour, that looked very posh from the outside in a bright green building. I read about this place in the Chiang Mai locator website, it guarantees all the girls are under 25 years old. Great I thought, I'll give this a try. Parked my motorbike, approached the main building and then was hit by the sight of a big board displaying their massage price rates. Most of the massage options are in 4 figure numbers and this is purely for massage no sex but probably just a happy ending that could cost almost 2000 baht not including tips. Which means having the benefit of a massage and a HJ by a half decent looking young early 20 something year old female is going to cost a truck load of cash, so I walked away and off I went that concluded my 8 hour survey of the main city's traditional massage parlours. Further outside the main drag there is virtually nothing, whether you go North, South, East or West, except for the glorified so-called body to body rip off massage parlours that seem to be springing up around the city.

Prior to driving home, went around to some of the areas of my old haunts just to take a look, including the Las Vagas club. All that now stands of this place is what appears to be an empty derelict building with the fading sign Las Vagas still displayed above it's door. Made me feel quite sad remembering all the laughs and some great times I had with friends in there some year ago.

So there you have it. Unless anyone has information of some decent places I have missed?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1670516] ...not having visited the town for sometime, decided to drive in on my motorbike and survey the traditional massage parlours around the area just to discover if the scene has remained the same, or changed either for better or worse. What I found was that the scene has changed much more than I would have expected.[/QUOTE]Very informative report.

When will you be moving to Pattaya?

I am puzzled about this. Every time I log into Craigs list, check out a dating site, or meet a really hot white skinned Thai lady, they are mostly from Changmai or Changrai. I guess my question is where are they hiding? Have they all moved to Bangkok to work in the G clubs and Ratchada massage parlours. I often see the Facebook page of the Pimp G club. Amazingly hot girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1670581]I am puzzled about this. Every time I log into Craigs list, check out a dating site, or meet a really hot white skinned Thai lady, they are mostly from Changmai or Changrai. I guess my question is where are they hiding? Have they all moved to Bangkok to work in the G clubs and Ratchada massage parlours. I often see the Facebook page of the Pimp G club. Amazingly hot girls.[/QUOTE]Try the following as an experiment:

Go into Thailand Craigslist. Then into the personal section, then into women seeking men. Replace the word Thailand with Chiang Mai in the search box and click search. You will see that almost all the ads will do a disappearing act or one of two ads by old grots.

Then go into the Casual encounters. Many ad lists will appear. Do the same again, replace Thailand with Chiang Mai in the search box. About 70 odd ads will appear, the most being old gay perverts, trannies and a couple of women mostly fake ads trying to obtain photos and personal details of responders.

Then go into the main Thailand lists and click on, therapeutic. This is the section that deals with massage. Over 300 ads will appear. Then again type Chiang Mai into the search box and click. Most or all the ads will disappear. If you type in, Chiangmai instead of Chiang Mai, an old hag appears calling herself Jan. I did make inquiries with her some time ago. She is demanding 2000 baht for a 2 oil massage that includes sex, so she told me. But it's out calls only. So that would be 2000 baht plus whatever the price of a hotel room for those who are not staying in the town for a women in her 40's. She persists in advertising probably knowing that there are no alternatives in the hope some guys will get desperate and use her services.

Whatever part of the Thailand personal craigslist sections you explore the lack of Chiang Mai lists will always be the same.

Next go into Google and try to find anything pertaining to the Chiang Mai monger scene, except for the usual blar of soapy massage and Loi Kroh Road nothing else will be mentioned no matter where you search.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1670516]



....So there you have it. Unless anyone has information of some decent places I have missed?

[/QUOTE]
What's about Sayuri Massage? They allways charged 1000 THB for normal Nr. 1300 THB for M Numbers. ?
And if you know to choose.... then you can get some nice boum boum 90 Min.
Did they change prices?

[QUOTE=Beno69;1670786]What's about Sayuri Massage? They allways charged 1000 THB for normal Nr. 1300 THB for M Numbers. ?
And if you know to choose.... then you can get some nice boum boum 90 Min.
Did they change prices?[/QUOTE]An acquaintance (34 year old American guy) visited the Sayuri Massage 5 months ago. He was quoted 1800 baht and I think 2300 baht for a so called superstar.

I know that these soapy massage parlours don't have any official set prices, there are no prices displayed in the premises I have heard accounts of various prices being offered in there. Maybe it's 1000 baht if you're a young hansum man?

If anyone has visited a soapy lately, would like to hear of your experiences?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1670938]



...He was quoted 1800 baht and I think 2300 baht for a so called superstar.

I know that these soapy massage parlours don't have any official set prices, there are no prices displayed in the premises I have heard accounts of various prices being offered in there. Maybe it's 1000 baht if you're a young hansum man?

[/QUOTE]Of course they don't have official set prices. If you go there with a tuk tuk you will pay at least 50% plus. Of course I'm handsome man. 555 -but they don't care about that. You ask them in Thai, if the price is the same 1000. - THB for normal Number. Superstar was always about 2000. - to 2500. - THB. I will check in February.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1670938]Maybe it's 1000 baht if you're a young hansum man?[/QUOTE]Haha, young hansum men are also very horny and tend to think wth their little head rather than with their big head. I think you can get a higher price from them.

How about [URL]www.escortschiangmai.com/[/URL] escorts web site. They have nice model pictures in their web site. Any comments or experiences with them to share.

Thanks,

Alex

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1670692]Try the following as an experiment:

Go into Thailand Craigslist. Then into the personal section, then into women seeking men. Replace the word Thailand with Chiang Mai in the search box and click search. You will see that almost all the ads will do a disappearing act or one of two ads by old grots.

Then go into the Casual encounters. Many ad lists will appear. Do the same again, replace Thailand with Chiang Mai in the search box. About 70 odd ads will appear, the most being old gay perverts, trannies and a couple of women mostly fake ads trying to obtain photos and personal details of responders.

Then go into the main Thailand lists and click on, therapeutic. This is the section that deals with massage. Over 300 ads will appear. Then again type Chiang Mai into the search box and click. Most or all the ads will disappear. If you type in, Chiangmai instead of Chiang Mai, an old hag appears calling herself Jan..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aqua64;1671136]How about [URL]www.escortschiangmai.com/[/URL] escorts web site. They have nice model pictures in their web site. Any comments or experiences with them to share.

Thanks,

Alex[/QUOTE]Yes, very lovely photoshopped images of models on their website.

These girls charge 5000 baht just to turn up and acknowledge you exist.

Looked at the services and menu and it seems these girls are totally uninhibited and will perform anything, for a staggering price of course. The first course of action should be to contact the online so-called agency, that I guess is probably run from someone's living room and inquire what prices are involved for any services you desire, otherwise it's going to cost 5000 baht if the girl turns up to find out, that`s if the agency will tell you?

I estimate that if it costs 5000 baht just for having a 2 hour conversation with a girl, that getting down to the nitty gritty is going to cost an additional 10000 baht or maybe much more, the sky's the limit here.

Looks great, but well out of my league. But for those that money is no object, then go for it.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1671263]Yes, very lovely photoshopped images of models on their website.

These girls charge 5000 baht just to turn up and acknowledge you exist.

Looked at the services and menu and it seems these girls are totally uninhibited and will perform anything, for a staggering price of course. The first course of action should be to contact the online so-called agency, that I guess is probably run from someone's living room and inquire what prices are involved for any services you desire, otherwise it's going to cost 5000 baht if the girl turns up to find out, that`s if the agency will tell you?

I estimate that if it costs 5000 baht just for having a 2 hour conversation with a girl, that getting down to the nitty gritty is going to cost an additional 10000 baht or maybe much more, the sky's the limit here.

Looks great, but well out of my league. But for those that money is no object, then go for it.[/QUOTE]I don't think the prices quoted are for talking, and don't understand why you think they are for anything but full sex. If you are referring to what the website says, about what happening being between you and the girl, I wouldn't take that to mean anything more than the business making a weak attempt at protecting itself legally.

Aside from that, I do wonder if one of the girls, "Halle", is a girl I saw working at "Foxy Lady" go-go some years back, and who for all I know still works there. Occasionally see her at other places too (e. G. , Spicy). I say wonder, as if it's her, she looks quite different in real life, but with enough photoshopping, it could be the same. Nobody who frequents spicy (myself included) could be called classy though.

[QUOTE=Aqua64;1671136]How about [URL]www.escortschiangmai.com/[/URL] escorts web site. They have nice model pictures in their web site. Any comments or experiences with them to share.

Thanks,

Alex[/QUOTE]Alex,

Did you try this service?

I would also like to fear of any first hand experiences with this agency.

[QUOTE=Marcro;1674001]Alex,

Did you try this service?

I would also like to fear of any first hand experiences with this agency.[/QUOTE]Since I did not arrive yet, I add their number to Viber to contact them in advance. But no success, I sent messages even called by Viber but nobody answered. I think, they answer if you call from a local number.

Do you have any other contacts fore outcall services?

[QUOTE=Aqua64;1674386]Since I did not arrive yet, I add their number to Viber to contact them in advance. But no success, I sent messages even called by Viber but nobody answered. I think, they answer if you call from a local number.

Do you have any other contacts fore outcall services?[/QUOTE]Have you tried emailing them?

[EMAIL]escortschiangmai@live.com[/EMAIL]

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1674456]Have you tried emailing them?

[EMAIL]escortschiangmai@live.com[/EMAIL][/QUOTE]Arthur yes two times, no reply as well. I think they are inactive. I will be in CM on the weekend, is there any other source for outcalls?

[URL]www.escortschiangmai.com[/URL] web site is not available anymore.

Before my trip to CM this weekend. It is not possible to send to emails to the escorts listed in the web (ami), mails are bouncing back. So Sayuri complex seems to be the only major option at the moment.

[QUOTE=Aqua64;1674920][URL]www.escortschiangmai.com[/URL] web site is not available anymore.

Before my trip to CM this weekend. It is not possible to send to emails to the escorts listed in the web (ami), mails are bouncing back. So Sayuri complex seems to be the only major option at the moment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this update. Just tried the site again and a window pops up saying; the site is kaput, finito. So now it seems even the online escort option is no longer available in Chiang Mai.

I also go to Loy kro sometimes for oil massage and Happy ending with blowjob because handjob is useless. Quite difficult to find a decent looking girls and many girls don't do it. But you have a good feeling with the girl, she can sometimes change her mind.

I usually pay 700-800 bath for oil massage + blowjob, telling her that I don't have more money on my wallet. Obviously they prefer and insist to have 1000 bath for this service and sometimes I have to pay 1000 LOL But if you can manage 700-800 bath, it's a the fair and good price I think.

The last one suck me quite decently and also licked my ass LOL.

I don't do that with very old and ugly woman but I am not too severe about how the girl look. For what I want, a decent girl is OK.

[QUOTE=Draztik;1678643]I also go to Loy kro sometimes for oil massage and Happy ending with blowjob because handjob is useless. Quite difficult to find a decent looking girls and many girls don't do it. But you have a good feeling with the girl, she can sometimes change her mind.

I usually pay 700-800 bath for oil massage + blowjob, telling her that I don't have more money on my wallet. Obviously they prefer and insist to have 1000 bath for this service and sometimes I have to pay 1000 LOL But if you can manage 700-800 bath, it's a the fair and good price I think.

The last one suck me quite decently and also licked my ass LOL.

I don't do that with very old and ugly woman but I am not too severe about how the girl look. For what I want, a decent girl is OK.[/QUOTE]That sounds pretty reasonable. Do you remember the name of the place / girl?

I will be travelling here in the next few weeks. It seems that many of you in this area are struggling to find action. First of all a google search for Changmai escorts was my first step. Beyond the first page is where you need to search. Don't be lazy and give up after the first two pages. Not all sites are ranked high nor pay the money to be. Craigslist is an excellent source in this area as well as dating sites, mobile chat applications, and the bar scene for freelancers or go go girls. What is it about you guys? Are you looking for such cheap prices that you are discouraged from looking? With a little leg work you can find an abundance of action before you arrive from Bangkok. While you guys are twiddling your thumbs in the massages hoping of getting a hand job and blow jobs, I will be out getting freebies and pay for play action everyday with full service being the only thing on my agenda.

I wanted some real action after the "special massage" deals.

As a side note: not too difficult to get a hand-job after an oil massage. Just avoid "too proper" places nearby main tourist attractions or where the staff is wearing neat uniforms.

If girls talk to you naughty, then chances for specials are high. My might want to make sure the girl you talk to is giving the massage. Also asking for the type of room. Some places only have thin curtains, others have private rooms.

But back to Celebrities. It is easy to find. Walk down Loi Kroh, at the iron bridge turn left. After about 100 meters it is clearly visible on the right. Entrance is on the right in the passage to the backyard.

Fish-bowl had about 25 girls. Two categories. Cheaper on the right had been quoted 1400, but not a single acceptable looking there. Left hand section is quoted 1700 and has some younger and slimmer ones.

Unfortunately my favorites had been declined "they don't do falang". Too bad.

Chose another tall and skinny one (#3 Gin). She doesn't speak English but my basic Thai was enough for what was to come.

Room is in an OK condition. Bathtub is big enough for falang, bed is very soft. They don't do the slide you might know from BKK.

Maybe it was bad luck but there was no chemistry. Undress yourself, 2 minute massage while bathtub is filling, then bath together. Dry up yourself. Then to the bed for a covered blowjob and action.

Everything felt mechanic and trying to get it over as fast as possible. Whole action lasted about 30 minutes.

Maybe try my luck again with a different girl, but this one was an experience not worth the money.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1686970]I will be travelling here in the next few weeks. It seems that many of you in this area are struggling to find action. First of all a google search for Changmai escorts was my first step. Beyond the first page is where you need to search. Don't be lazy and give up after the first two pages. Not all sites are ranked high nor pay the money to be. Craigslist is an excellent source in this area as well as dating sites, mobile chat applications, and the bar scene for freelancers or go go girls. What is it about you guys? Are you looking for such cheap prices that you are discouraged from looking? With a little leg work you can find an abundance of action before you arrive from Bangkok. While you guys are twiddling your thumbs in the massages hoping of getting a hand job and blow jobs, I will be out getting freebies and pay for play action everyday with full service being the only thing on my agenda.[/QUOTE]I usually go to the bamboo shop massage or the next one. We spoke about it previously.

[QUOTE=Draztik;1691334]I usually go to the bamboo shop massage or the next one. We spoke about it previously.[/QUOTE]I also spoke about that place and certainly would not recommend it. It's a rip off. Quoting from 700 baht to 1000 baht in there just for a no thrills HJ not including the so-called massage.

Gentleman,

I have been staying out of the fray for a long time now, but will add my two cents from 8 or 10 Chiang Mai trips. I feel a need to counter Mr. Tick's general pessimism about the Chiang Mai scene. I always find plenty of sex when I'm there, and I'm not what I'd consider a pro at this.

"Bamboo" massage joint: I had full service in-house from a lovely gal there, about a year ago, for 300 B oil massage plus 1,000 B to the lady. Good time, and she came by my hotel for 1,000 the next night also. Attractive and sweet.

About three weeks ago, I went into a neighboring parlor, across the road and to the north, and had full service from an Akha cutie for 300 B to the house and 700 B to the lady. Yes, 700 B, and she was attractive. She immediately came down from 1. 000 B, as we were getting along nicely. I'm sorry that I didn't note the name of the shop, as I had no intention of posting. It's maybe 200 meters north of La Meridien, on the east side of the street. I think it would be the first one you come to on that side of the street as you head north from La Meridien.

Regarding Celebrities, I have enjoyed seeing Wan from Mae Hong Son, probably about six times in the last two years. She has a womanly figure, pretty face and lovely ass, doesn't speak a lick of English. 1,700 B and a tip. She's #17. One other night recently, Wan was unavailable, and I chose a spinner from the 1,400 B side of the fishbowl. She was fun and cute also. I don't remember her number- maybe 82? But this illustrates that fun was had for the very reasonable price of 1,400 B. I've never made it over to Sariya, as I have my backed well-scratched at Celebrities.

The glass-windowed brothel just north of Gecko restaurant has been gone for at least year.

I wouldn't even consider wasting my time and money to bring home hard-ass bar girls from the Loi Kroh bars. Also, I don't drink, so I'm not so keen on hanging out with a lot of you guys anyway. Sorry, but I don't drink and it's not my scene. There are plenty of nice massage girls, away from the Old City bullshit, and some are pretty cute, and don't have the unpleasant sharp edges that a lot of bar girls carry.

I'm just saying. Take what you like from my report. My main point is that I always have lots of fun in Chiang Mai if I stray a bit from the normal circuit.

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1691893]Gentleman,

I have been staying out of the fray for a long time now, but will add my two cents from 8 or 10 Chiang Mai trips. I feel a need to counter Mr. Tick's general pessimism about the Chiang Mai scene. I always find plenty of sex when I'm there, and I'm not what I'd consider a pro at this.

"Bamboo" massage joint: I had full service in-house from a lovely gal there, about a year ago, for 300 B oil massage plus 1,000 B to the lady. Good time, and she came by my hotel for 1,000 the next night also. Attractive and sweet.

About three weeks ago, I went into a neighboring parlor, across the road and to the north, and had full service from an Akha cutie for 300 B to the house and 700 B to the lady. Yes, 700 B, and she was attractive. She immediately came down from 1. 000 B, as we were getting along nicely. I'm sorry that I didn't note the name of the shop, as I had no intention of posting. It's maybe 200 meters north of La Meridien, on the east side of the street. I think it would be the first one you come to on that side of the street as you head north from La Meridien.

Regarding Celebrities, I have enjoyed seeing Wan from Mae Hong Son, probably about six times in the last two years. She has a womanly figure, pretty face and lovely ass, doesn't speak a lick of English. 1,700 B and a tip. She's #17. One other night recently, Wan was unavailable, and I chose a spinner from the 1,400 B side of the fishbowl. She was fun and cute also. I don't remember her number- maybe 82? But this illustrates that fun was had for the very reasonable price of 1,400 B. I've never made it over to Sariya, as I have my backed well-scratched at Celebrities.

The glass-windowed brothel just north of Gecko restaurant has been gone for at least year.

I wouldn't even consider wasting my time and money to bring home hard-ass bar girls from the Loi Kroh bars. Also, I don't drink, so I'm not so keen on hanging out with a lot of you guys anyway. Sorry, but I don't drink and it's not my scene. There are plenty of nice massage girls, away from the Old City bullshit, and some are pretty cute, and don't have the unpleasant sharp edges that a lot of bar girls carry.

I'm just saying. Take what you like from my report. My main point is that I always have lots of fun in Chiang Mai if I stray a bit from the normal circuit.[/QUOTE]Do you mind sharing the name of these places out of the normal scene?

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1691893]Gentleman,

I have been staying out of the fray for a long time now, but will add my two cents from 8 or 10 Chiang Mai trips. I feel a need to counter Mr. Tick's general pessimism about the Chiang Mai scene. I always find plenty of sex when I'm there, and I'm not what I'd consider a pro at this.

"Bamboo" massage joint: I had full service in-house from a lovely gal there, about a year ago, for 300 B oil massage plus 1,000 B to the lady. Good time, and she came by my hotel for 1,000 the next night also. Attractive and sweet.

About three weeks ago, I went into a neighboring parlor, across the road and to the north, and had full service from an Akha cutie for 300 B to the house and 700 B to the lady. Yes, 700 B, and she was attractive. She immediately came down from 1. 000 B, as we were getting along nicely. I'm sorry that I didn't note the name of the shop, as I had no intention of posting. It's maybe 200 meters north of La Meridien, on the east side of the street. I think it would be the first one you come to on that side of the street as you head north from La Meridien.

Regarding Celebrities, I have enjoyed seeing Wan from Mae Hong Son, probably about six times in the last two years. She has a womanly figure, pretty face and lovely ass, doesn't speak a lick of English. 1,700 B and a tip. She's #17. One other night recently, Wan was unavailable, and I chose a spinner from the 1,400 B side of the fishbowl. She was fun and cute also. I don't remember her number- maybe 82? But this illustrates that fun was had for the very reasonable price of 1,400 B. I've never made it over to Sariya, as I have my backed well-scratched at Celebrities.

The glass-windowed brothel just north of Gecko restaurant has been gone for at least year.

I wouldn't even consider wasting my time and money to bring home hard-ass bar girls from the Loi Kroh bars. Also, I don't drink, so I'm not so keen on hanging out with a lot of you guys anyway. Sorry, but I don't drink and it's not my scene. There are plenty of nice massage girls, away from the Old City bullshit, and some are pretty cute, and don't have the unpleasant sharp edges that a lot of bar girls carry.

I'm just saying. Take what you like from my report. My main point is that I always have lots of fun in Chiang Mai if I stray a bit from the normal circuit.[/QUOTE]OTI, at last someone who does not complain about Chiang Mai. I have always enjoyed myself there, probably especially because I too don't frequent loi kroh bars. Plenty of massage places where even though you might not get FS on the first occasion but may on a later visit. And you have to stay away from the usual tourist places. I do even though I don't speak more than a couple of words of Thai.

I really enjoy the laid-back feel of the place and appreciate the availability of GFE in massage places that is discrete with no problems when my regular partner was in town. Also although not plentiful, semi-pro FLs can be found that one would consider repeating the experience with. My only complaint about CM is that I don't get time to go there more often.

But if that kind of scene is not what you like and you prefer the instant gratification vibe, there is always Bangkok or Pattaya.

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1691893]I feel a need to counter Mr. Tick's general pessimism about the Chiang Mai scene.[/QUOTE]I think Mr. Thick has a hidden agenda: he wants all those cuties for himself!

[QUOTE=Sobaje;1692525]Do you mind sharing the name of these places out of the normal scene?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't note the names of the massage joints where FS is readily available, as I really didn't intent to report on this forum. I've only started talking because I reminded myself of how helpful some of you have been towards me, pointing me in a really good direction. Yes, there is a lot of fun and reasonably-priced FS available from low-mileage massage girls (admittedly, they are not all low-mileage, but some are, and many are sweet and fun as well.) It's pretty easy to make this happen if I bring the right attitude into the interaction. I don't speak Thai; most of these girls are just looking for a friendly and playful farang to have a nice time with. Regarding Celebrities Shower Massage, it's not off the beaten path, but I have not seen another farang there in perhaps 6 or 7 visits, which surprises me, as the prices are quite reasonable (1,400 B or 1,700 B), and there are sometimes a few nice looking women. Not a lot, but I'm always just looking for one. I wouldn't waste a moment of my time or money in any of the bars or massage joints along Loi Kroh Rd. There's just nothing there for me, except for jaded women who have had enough bad experiences with farangs to cause them to be dismissive or disrespectful towards all of us. I can't say that I blame them, there is a lot of bad behavior from some of our countrymen in Thailand. Back to topic, plenty of gals in Chiang Mai, I just have to turn over a few rocks. Maybe invest in a massage, and if you hit it off with a girl, there's a good chance she'd be happy to join you at your hotel. And many of them will readily "go out" for the initial massage, and agreeing to that almost always leads to a woman who's available for FS if treated well.

Based on all the reviews posted, I came to Chiang Mai with very low expectation. But what I found was the total opposite. I had a great time here.

Warm up cafe and monkey club was great. I stayed near CMU and had a great time flirting with local women here. I partied in old town which lead to nice local women showing me where spicy and lucky bars are. We partied until 6 am.

I think it helps being a young decent looking Asian.

Finally the prices are cheaper than Bangkok and Phuket. The weather was cool and the air the clean.

If I go back to Thailand again, I will make Chiang mai my primary stop.

Many great times to be had, a party atmosphere every night in Chiang Mai, an abundance of young attractive girls willing and obliging to have FS.

The problem is; that those who make these statements all have short memories and none of them can recall the names of the places or the locations. But instead come back with insults or negative responses.

As I have said many times here in my reports, that I suspect quite a few who make these comments have business interests in the town and many of my reports are bad for business. If there are any facts in what they say; than point us into the directions of these establishments to prove they exist. It's really that simply.

Is this comment directed at me? I gave the names of several establishments that I hit. What the F talking about? Did you even read?

I understand this is a mongering website. No doubt most of you are looking for easy lay with money. I'm looking for a fun time partying.

The reason why I like chiang mai more than phone or but is because they don't have a walking Street or gogo bars. So I don't have to see ugly fat old mongers when I'm having fun with Thai people and backpackers. The Thai girls are not jaded and it genuinely feel like you pick up a girl at a bar (albeit give some money too) , not a pro.

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1710926]Is this comment directed at me? I gave the names of several establishments that I hit. What the F talking about? Did you even read?

I understand this is a mongering website. No doubt most of you are looking for easy lay with money. I'm looking for a fun time partying.

The reason why I like chiang mai more than phone or but is because they don't have a walking Street or gogo bars. So I don't have to see ugly fat old mongers when I'm having fun with Thai people and backpackers. The Thai girls are not jaded and it genuinely feel like you pick up a girl at a bar (albeit give some money too) , not a pro.[/QUOTE]I apologise if you thought my comments referred to you, but in fact I was quoting a couple of other posters, one that often likes to be insulting and another poster who claims to know good massage parlours where FS is offered but cannot give names or locations. There have been several posts similar to these in the past.

This may come as a surprise, but there are many of us that enjoy a NSA lay for payments and also not all of us are ugly, fat old mongers. We come in all age groups, shapes and sizes, and there are a quite few hansum guys among us who are not ready to hang their guns up yet and settle down to feeding the ducks at a park.

Regarding what you have described is more applicable to Tripadvisor or the what to do in Chiang Mai sites or Thai dating sites. This is the International Sex Guide, for all guys that includes, the good, the bad and the ugly, seeking to get laid and wanting to know where.

I have never understood the appeal of Chaing Mai. The only thing it seems to have going for it is a better pickup culture because the girls have lower standards. But you could get way hotter girls paying in BKK! And the prices for accommodation are not so bad if you're willing to find a place a few more BTS stops out-of-the-way.

Living in Chiang Mai and from the UK I decided to do some sexual services comparisons between England and Thailand, first assuming that in the UK prices must have sky rocketed by now, but I was in for a surprise.

I went into Google search and typed in; UK massage classifieds. The first thing that struck me was the many pages of lists displayed, I was spoilt for choice. So decided to investigate further and have a look.

There were services offered by women to suit all tastes and pockets. A one-hour full nude body-to-body massage with HJ by a 20-year-old girl in her own home starting at £25. (1250 baht). Full sex starting at £50 (2500 baht), by young desirable girls. Now consider this: to take out some skank short time in the Loi Kroh Road, that involves buying drinks, a bar fine, possibly a hotel room for those not on holiday but travelling from home and the short time fee that has to be negotiated, plus tips, could cost you 3000 baht or more.

The so-called posh body to body massage parlours opening up all around Chiang Mai could cost you 2000 baht for short time with a 20 something girl and in these places full sex is rarely offered and if available could cost a ridiculous amount of money. The soapy massage parlours that claim to give 90 minutes, but no one ever gets that, can cost up to 2000 baht or more. The traditional massage parlours where many now have happy endings on offer, can cost 300 baht for the so-called massage and many are pushing for 700 and even 1000 baht for a quickie no thrills HJ and these are by women well passed their sell by dates. In all these establishments the girls seem to make up the rules and prices as they go along. But in the UK, what is on offer, what you get and for how much is clearly stated right from the beginning.

I believe that not only Chiang Mai but the whole of Thailand can longer be categorised as the sex capital of world, they have got greedy and other destinations are much better value and have a wider variety on offer.

Probably a better option these days is for mongers to nip over to Cambodia or Vietnam for their hols (excuse the pun), as it seems Thailand is played out regarding the mongering scene.

If anyone has experience with Cambodia or Vietnam, would love to hear your views on the subject?

When preparing my trip, I read many threads looking to find a girl friendly hotel where to stay in Chian Mai, and I did not find this hotel mentioned.

Finally I stayed in it and it was a good decision. Not only it has the good quality you expect from a Holiday Inn hotel, but I had no problem in bringing girls to my room.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1717443]went into Google search and typed in; UK massage classifieds... was spoilt for choice... A one-hour full nude body-to-body massage with HJ by a 20-year-old girl in her own home starting at 25. (1250 baht). Full sex starting at 50 (2500 baht), by young desirable girls.[/QUOTE]Unless you actually try using the services, you can't compare a few cherry-picked online prices and comparing them to your typical experience in Thailand. If you actually try those ads, you'll probably find plenty of upsells and bait-and-switch. No way you're getting a full hour of anything with a "young and desirable" girl for 25-50 quid.

Within the last year I had full sex with a 28 yo starting at 350-450 baht in Thai-oriented establishments. In Chiang Mai, last time I've been to Niemann (in 2013) it was 400+. Poor service, but that's what it is. Are those places still around?

Now, you're right that Thailand scene is grim compared to 5 or 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1717443]I believe that not only Chiang Mai but the whole of Thailand can longer be categorised as the sex capital of world, they have got greedy and other destinations are much better value and have a wider variety on offer.[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai never was all that great. Unfortunately, Pattaya is still the sex capital of the world, even in its diminished state. There are options with wider variety and better value (Geylang in Singapore, for instance), but not friendly service that Thailand was famous for.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1717443]If anyone has experience with Cambodia or Vietnam, would love to hear your views on the subject?[/QUOTE]They're not really a substitute. Cambodia is too thrid-world with decidedly below-average looking women. Vietnam has some lookers but attitudes are way too sharp. It's cheap if you know where to go ($15-$25 or so), but if your typical total cost in Chiang Mai is 3000 baht, your cost in Vietnam will be $150, since they are much more adept of fleecing you if you aren't sharp enough. Thais at least usually feel obliged to provide fair service, with Vietnamese that's not the case unless you make them.

Althoug my main focus has been related to business, I can testify that Chiang Mai has something for everyone, just not in a buffet style like other prime location in Thailand. A lot of possible boom boom in the massage shop (offered boom boom and happy ending to both of the places I went close to the main bar region), the famous shower massage (know by local even from my female business acquaintance) was very good service and sex for 1500 bath, and a I saw a few farang in tuk tuk with two thai girls quite often (sadly did not have enough time to do the same).

[QUOTE=Manicure;1718176]Althoug my main focus has been related to business, I can testify that Chiang Mai has something for everyone, just not in a buffet style like other prime location in Thailand. A lot of possible boom boom in the massage shop (offered boom boom and happy ending to both of the places I went close to the main bar region), the famous shower massage (know by local even from my female business acquaintance) was very good service and sex for 1500 bath, and a I saw a few farang in tuk tuk with two thai girls quite often (sadly did not have enough time to do the same).[/QUOTE]Sounds great.

There are many massage parlours in and around the bar areas. What were the names of the massage parlours that offered you FS and how much or at least give us a clue? Otherwise as I have more or less said in my previous posts, it's not over till the fat lady sings.

They are on Khampangdin Rd, it is more quiet beside the Loi Kroh RD, all are girls are 5 or 6, they give you a real massage, offer to massage down below, and if they are not successful in in finishingyou, they both offered me boom boom for a total of 1400 for 90 minutes

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1718249]Sounds great.

There are many massage parlours in and around the bar areas. What were the names of the massage parlours that offered you FS and how much or at least give us a clue? Otherwise as I have more or less said in my previous posts, it's not over till the fat lady sings.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Manicure;1718693]They are on Khampangdin Rd, it is more quiet beside the Loi Kroh RD, all are girls are 5 or 6, they give you a real massage, offer to massage down below, and if they are not successful in in finishingyou, they both offered me boom boom for a total of 1400 for 90 minutes

.[/QUOTE]I know the Khampangdin Road very well, it extends for several kilometres and all I have ever found there are a two or three massage parlours that I would describe the women more like minus 5 or 6.

Are you describing massage parlours, bars, karaoke or what? Because I have never known any massage parlour girls offering full sex for 90 minutes, except for the soapy massage establishments.

Exactly whereabouts in the Khampangdin Road are the places you describe? If not named can you give any landmarks or something that is close by?

Those who make claims that they have visited or know of places where there is an abundance of young desirable woman offering sexual services but either refuse or unable to give names or exact or close locations with landmarks or directions making them easy to find or look up, I am calling BS on their posts.

Several years ago I had some luck at Pornping Hotel, was the live music venue called Bubble? Is it still going?

Also there was a Disco adjacent to the Live music, forget the name but I didn't have much luck there.

At 60 and a few kilos over weight a girl at a restaurant / bar Chiang Mai salon? Took a shine to me and visited me at The Empress Hotel the next day before she went to work.

I actually found Chiang Mai a reasonable place, but with having no Talay I now go to Hua Hin.

[QUOTE=Manicure;1718176]Although my main focus has been related to business, I can testify that Chiang Mai has something for everyone, just not in a buffet style like other prime location in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I had a good time on a recent trip to Chiang Mai. I didn't find the girls in the bars on Loi Kroh road very interesting but spent some good evenings on Nimmana Road. I'm too old for the Warm Up Cafe but settled in well at the House of Beers. It's clearly not a pickup bar but I got talking to three Thai girls who were out for a "girls' evening", ended up spending a lot of time with the funniest who accepted a fee in return for her time. I didn't get a good understanding of whether she was a regular to the FL scene or just needed a new phone when I happened along.

Recent trip to Chiang Mai. JoJo massage on Loi Kroh road opposite the Duangtawan Hotel. A girl there, can't recall the name not the best looker and a little on the chubby side was very eager to please. HJ & BBBJ for 1000 THB. She was available for take out but I couldn't because of the other half. Also Tulip Massage in the lower ground floor of the hotel. Private rooms, girl comes in and lock the door. On the flip she's says how much you pay to take all off & I take care of you. BBBJ & FS 2000 THB. You just have to look and be kind to the ladies and they will respond.

I agree completely with the previous comment. There are some on this forum who seem to derive some odd gratification from bemoaning the impossibility of a good time in Chiang Mai, but I always have lots of sex with pleasant ladies when I visit there. The better times to be had are subtle and below the radar. Lots of women who enjoy a friendly farang who doesn't take himself too seriously. I'll be there again in a couple of weeks, and will enjoy myself, I'm sure.

[QUOTE=Yellitg;1721253]Recent trip to Chiang Mai. JoJo massage on Loi Kroh road opposite the Duangtawan Hotel. A girl there, can't recall the name not the best looker and a little on the chubby side was very eager to please. HJ & BBBJ for 1000 THB. She was available for take out but I couldn't because of the other half. Also Tulip Massage in the lower ground floor of the hotel. Private rooms, girl comes in and lock the door. On the flip she's says how much you pay to take all off & I take care of you. BBBJ & FS 2000 THB. You just have to look and be kind to the ladies and they will respond.[/QUOTE]I apologise for often being on the negative side, but wow, 2000 baht for a quicky short time session and I guess that doesn't include the price of the so-called massage. So in fact we are looking at 2400 to 2500 baht for under an hour. The problem is once guys begin paying this sort of money, or being kind that I describe as the last of the big spenders, than the word soon spreads around and then they all start demanding silly money.

Only last January when I visited Pattaya, I could walk into a bar, choose a young desirable girl, buy her one lady drink, pay a 300 baht bar fine and take her back to my hotel room, full no hurried sex for 1000 baht. The whole caboodle for a total of 1500 baht and for that I had a huge choice of girls.

There is no way I would consider paying 2000 baht plus 400 or 500 baht massage fee for a fast and furious sex session, which does not include having a choice of girls to choose from. Obviously FS is available in Chiang Mai if guys are willing to pay silly money.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1721298]I apologise for often being on the negative side, but wow, 2000 baht for a quicky short time session and I guess that doesn't include the price of the so-called massage. So in fact we are looking at 2400 to 2500 baht for under an hour. The problem is once guys begin paying this sort of money, or being kind that I describe as the last of the big spenders, than the word soon spreads around and then they all start demanding silly money.

Only last January when I visited Pattaya, I could walk into a bar, choose a young desirable girl, buy her one lady drink, pay a 300 baht bar fine and take her back to my hotel room, full no hurried sex for 1000 baht. The whole caboodle for a total of 1500 baht and for that I had a huge choice of girls.

There is no way I would consider paying 2000 baht plus 400 or 500 baht massage fee for a fast and furious sex session, which does not include having a choice of girls to choose from. Obviously FS is available in Chiang Mai if guys are willing to pay silly money.[/QUOTE]Don't assume Arthur and don't be negative. The forum is to share info not to flame others and say I could do this or I could do that. What about getting out and doing it and posting some accurate information if as you say in response to previous posters it is all BS. 2000 THB included the massage which lasted 40 minutes of the hour and was very good. You cannot compare Chiang Mai to Pattaya they are at opposite ends of the country and it is a different meat market. I also was able to get cheaper in BKK.

[QUOTE=Yellitg;1721681]Don't assume Arthur and don't be negative. The forum is to share info not to flame others and say I could do this or I could do that. What about getting out and doing it and posting some accurate information if as you say in response to previous posters it is all BS. 2000 THB included the massage which lasted 40 minutes of the hour and was very good. You cannot compare Chiang Mai to Pattaya they are at opposite ends of the country and it is a different meat market. I also was able to get cheaper in BKK.[/QUOTE]I have never assumed anything, have completed a lot research out in the field and my information is accurate. Try reading all my posts on this thread.

You say that Chiang Mai cannot be compared with Pattaya and Bangkok, which is exactly what I have been quoting in my posts.

Not flaming, if guys are willing to pay 2000 baht for a quicky, than good luck to them, but I am not and as I said; if guys pay these kind of prices on demand then the sky's the limit for these establishments.

[QUOTE=Yellitg;1721681]Don't assume Arthur and don't be negative. The forum is to share info not to flame others and say I could do this or I could do that. What about getting out and doing it and posting some accurate information if as you say in response to previous posters it is all BS. 2000 THB included the massage which lasted 40 minutes of the hour and was very good. You cannot compare Chiang Mai to Pattaya they are at opposite ends of the country and it is a different meat market. I also was able to get cheaper in BKK.[/QUOTE]That Tick Tock is a prophet of gloom and unable to apreciate that Chiang Mai is not Pattaya. Contrary to his prognostications there are ample opportunities to monger in CM and yes prices may be higher but then I guess you pay more in NYC than in the backwoods of Alabama. And more in Phnom Penh than S'ville.

I'll be traveling to Chiang Mai in about 5 days. I was wondering in your opinion what are my best options for mongering? Should I try massage parlors, beer bars, or the go gos. Are there any good sites for independent escorts or escort companies? Sorry for all the questions? Hope you all have a nice day!

[QUOTE=Jbay25;1725905]I'll be traveling to Chiang Mai in about 5 days. I was wondering in your opinion what are my best options for mongering? Should I try massage parlors, beer bars, or the go gos. Are there any good sites for independent escorts or escort companies? Sorry for all the questions? Hope you all have a nice day![/QUOTE]I have been accused of being negative regarding the Chiang Mai mongering scene or lack of it, so I will step aside on this one and let the more positive members respond to you.

The only advice I can give you, is to read all the previous posts on this thread and draw your own conclusions.

[QUOTE=Jbay25;1725905]I'll be traveling to Chiang Mai in about 5 days. I was wondering in your opinion what are my best options for mongering? Should I try massage parlors, beer bars, or the go gos. Are there any good sites for independent escorts or escort companies? Sorry for all the questions? Hope you all have a nice day![/QUOTE]Chiang Mai doesn't really have the infrastructure like other city as far as mongering is concerned. You need to make things happy by bring your "A game" and try to impress local girls and backpackers. The good news is that there are a lot of chances for free encounters. I have made out with some young backpacker girls. Also I have taken women back to my hotel for 1000 baht plus drinks all night.

If you are ugly and fat and old, you are better off going to Pattaya. But if you have game, try lucky bar and spicy bar. I also tried warm up cafe if you are a young Asian guy that can blend in with the university crowd.

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1726718]Chiang Mai doesn't really have the infrastructure like other city as far as mongering is concerned. You need to make things happy by bring your "A game" and try to impress local girls and backpackers. The good news is that there are a lot of chances for free encounters. I have made out with some young backpacker girls. Also I have taken women back to my hotel for 1000 baht plus drinks all night.

If you are ugly and fat and old, you are better off going to Pattaya. But if you have game, try lucky bar and spicy bar. I also tried warm up cafe if you are a young Asian guy that can blend in with the university crowd.[/QUOTE]" Bring your A game. Making out with backpackers. Damn I'm getting too old for these pages.

Well I'm nearing 60, but fortunately still in possession of a full head of hair and in ok shape, and did just fine in CM about 6 months ago. Went to a couple of discos, can't remember the names. Had a few great meals at the goodview restuarant. The CM sausages were outstanding. And had the companionship of one lady from a massage shop for a few days then another that I found on a website. I didn't bring any "game", I was just my normal polite courteous self One of the ladies drove me up the hill to see the Buddha crowded with mainland chinese tour groups. . very boring.

Being young doesn't necessarily bring you any advantages over being older. And vica verse.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1726767]" Bring your A game. Making out with backpackers. Damn I'm getting too old for these pages.

Well I'm nearing 60, but fortunately still in possession of a full head of hair and in ok shape, and did just fine in CM about 6 months ago. Went to a couple of discos, can't remember the names. Had a few great meals at the goodview restuarant. The CM sausages were outstanding. And had the companionship of one lady from a massage shop for a few days then another that I found on a website. I didn't bring any "game", I was just my normal polite courteous self One of the ladies drove me up the hill to see the Buddha crowded with mainland chinese tour groups. . very boring.

Being young doesn't necessarily bring you any advantages over being older. And vica verse.[/QUOTE]Why don't you list the website and the massage place of where you found these girls? I gave away free info. Being 60, I guess you are not a fan of open source?

For several years I have read about the Phucome Hotel Soapy Massage. The reviews and reports have never been very good that had put me off visiting the place. Most of the reports claim that the premises is antiquated, seen better days, the girls are plain and it's the least favourite of all the Chiang Mai so-called soapy massage parlours. The prices quoted for the so-called massage is from 1100 to 1400 baht in the reports.

So yesterday out of desperation I called shite or bust and decided to try out the Phucome Hotel soapy massage. I arrived there 5. 00 pm at the main entrance of the hotel, drove my motorbike into the car park that more or less extends all the way under the building. Very easy to find, just drive to the rear of the car park and there is a big neon sign that reads; Chiang Mai Massage. I parked my motorbike in the huge but almost empty car park, and then had to walk up one flight of stairs to the soapy massage.

The reports are true, as I proceeded through the doors it felt like walking into a 1930's cinema entrance and the place had a musty smell. Silent screen stars like Gloria Swanson or Lillian Gish would not had looked out of place there, but it does have character. I could see some girls behind the glass and I was the only customer. Then I was immediately greeted by the papa san, a pleasant guy in his mid to late forties. It soon became apparent that no one could speak even one word of English in there, but I do speak some passable Thai and was comfortably able to converse with the guy. There were 9 girls sitting behind the glass, most were quite youngish, in there late 20's to early 30's, but as the reports said; definitely no lookers among them, I would give the best of them, a 4 out of 10, but at least there were no old hags in there 40's and 50's like the regular massage parlours, which was a plus for me. I asked the price and the guy told me, from 1200 baht up to 1600 baht. In my eyes there were no girls that stood out from all the others, so I told the guy; just give me the cheapest one and I let him choose that was a 1200 bahter paid upfront.

He chose a girl wearing a pink top, probably in her early 30's, nothing to write home about, but she did have big tits. None of the girls were numbered and she later told me her name was Pan. We went into the room, which was very spacious and clean, plus the bathtub was big. The second we entered the room, the girl switched on the TV and I said no, not want, so she switched it off again. She was a peasant girl, very friendly and made me feel comfortable in her company. But as with all the other soapies, again it was very mechanical, no massage, no lido treatment as in Bangkok and Pattaya, she began running the bath, no touching allowed before the bath was filled, once in the bath she went through the usual motions, but she did wash and shampoo my hair, finished bath, dried with towel, condom on, no ass touching, no oral and no kissing allowed, although she did enjoy sucking my thumb and I thought; never mind, whatever turns her on is OK with me. Then it was wham bam thank you maim and all over. I estimated the whole session lasted about 50 minutes, but only because the bath tub took a long time to fill because the tap water pressure was low and she also spent about 7 to 8 minutes cleaning the bath afterwards that was in my time.

After we were done I gave the girl 200 baht tip. The reasons I did not give more were because the session was just basic, nothing special, but mostly because I did not want to set a precedent for myself by them expecting more money from me if I decide to visit there again or even become a regular customer.

If you don't place your expectations too high, than I would seriously recommend giving the Phucome Hotel soapy massage a try. Considering how much the regular massage parlours are asking just for a no thrills HJ these days and compared to other Chiang Mai soapies, I thought the prices were very reasonable, a pleasant no hurried atmosphere with little or no competition from other customers.

In my report below this one, I mean't she was a pleasant girl, not a peasant girl. Sorry, missed out the L.

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1726921]Why don't you list the website and the massage place of where you found these girls? I gave away free info. Being 60, I guess you are not a fan of open source?[/QUOTE]Firstly, lad, haven't quite hit 60. The massage place. I visited a few and they are all quite unmemorable. Was somewhere near one of the city gates on a 2nd floor. Should I go back and trawl through the hundreds of websites / name lists of small 5 room massage places. Nah mate, no need to do that. All you need to know is there are plenty, and that being a nice happy funny decent guy will surely get you good company. A game, be game whatever, what a joke.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1727136]Firstly, lad, haven't quite hit 60. The massage place. I visited a few and they are all quite unmemorable. Was somewhere near one of the city gates on a 2nd floor. Should I go back and trawl through the hundreds of websites / name lists of small 5 room massage places. Nah mate, no need to do that. All you need to know is there are plenty, and that being a nice happy funny decent guy will surely get you good company. A game, be game whatever, what a joke.[/QUOTE]What's more of a joke is your report. You contributed nothing to the community by being vague. At least I was drop the names of the places.

By the way, when is the last time you made out with a young cute white backpacker? That's right, you need game for that.

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1727492]What's more of a joke is your report. You contributed nothing to the community by being vague. At least I was drop the names of the places.

By the way, when is the last time you made out with a young cute white backpacker? That's right, you need game for that.[/QUOTE]Many of these reports are total BS anyway, guys on here that make incredible claims of scoring with Thai girls in the most unlikely of places and alleging of having visited Chiang Mai bars and massage parlours with an abundance of hot, young, desirable girls up for grabs, that remarkably no one else ever seems able to find and have very short memories of names and locations.

Considering that Chiang Mai is dry to dead these days, I hardly think it's even worth participating in the Chiang Mai threads unless someone actually coughs up something that is informative. As I said in one of my previous posts, the Chiang Mai thread is dead Fred.

[QUOTE=VIPhawaii;1727492]
By the way, when is the last time you made out with a young cute white backpacker? That's right, you need game for that.[/QUOTE]Game? Maybe, but this site is all about P4P, not how to game a YCWB in your bed.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1674963]Thanks for this update. Just tried the site again and a window pops up saying; the site is kaput, finito. So now it seems even the online escort option is no longer available in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]The site is working fine, and I'm sure I saw one of them leaving my hotel in CM around 24 h a couple of nights ago.

Visited today, with mixed expectations based on posts here. It's not bad!

Arrived 2. 30 pm, approx 18-20 girls in the bowl, 15 or so guests. The entire front sofa row was occupied (this was a Saturday, maybe different on a normal work day). Based on looks I was the only non-Asian.

Bowl was OK busy, during my 10-15 minutes soda (20 baht) 4-5 new girls entered, and as many left. Asked a papasan for prices: 2000-2200-2500 from right to left. No idea how much they charge the Asian guests.

The only differences I noticed, the left hand side were generally more white powdered / heavier makeups, maybe taller too. Younger girls on both sides, almost all in pale pink, blue or yellow silky dresses. It's definitely oriented towards Asian preferences. I liked what I saw!

Picked the only girl who really stood out against the rest: Looked Chinese-ish and quite flirtatious, wearing shorts, a Thai night gown shirt, just a little eyeliner visible to sharpen the Lucy Liu eyes. She sat rightmost, was 2200 bht (sic!) She's no. 117, name is Atom. She's from Chiang Mai, early 20's, no kids, 2-3+ kilos (which I like), exercising every morning and evening, wants to loose the last kgs too. Very little English, but man she's talkative, very good company. She's quite funny, openminded, and a little crazy in a good way. No drama!

Wash and massage in the bath top, then soapy sliding massage on the air mattress and then fuck on the bed. A full 1 1/2 h easily spent.

On the action part, started with getting nipples, balls and dick licked. Room has a mirror in the ceiling, nice. She let me kiss and suck her nipples and play with her (natural, which I hoped for) pussy, I didn't try deep fingering. Then CBJ (I didn't object). Then CG variations, which she hoped would finish me. Which it could've but I wouldn't. So I lifted her around and ended giving her a good missionary fuck, came hard.

Afterwards she told me that she get's a suffocatingly feeling from hard missionary like I did, and that it's only white guys who'll do that. She was really honest about it. I'm not sure I got it all right, though.

WIR, I would if I stayed in CM on a longer basis. A good attitude, openminded, funny, good body, beautiful eyes, a good fuck.

Remember, bring your own condoms. There's a pack of (quality) Red Durex in their toolbox, but they are way too small, she couldn't put it on (I'm average Caucasian). Glad I brought my own MySize, and so was she. She felt a little embarrassed about her first attempt.

I went by tuktuk, used the post office in Charoenmuang Road as fake destination (avoid commission fee). Turned out the post office has moved to the Airport and he kept driving East instead of North, until I told him just go North, cross the bridge and keep driving until I stop you!

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1645081]This is intended primarily for infrequent visitors to CM and those trying to decide if the visit there is worth it.

I've made about a dozen or so visits to CM over the last 20+ years. My mongering style is limited to fishbowl-style massage parlors (MPs). I don't go to bars, so don't have any info on them, but just walking around the town at night, I'd fully agree with A. T. That the bar scene is non-existent or very bad. Nor do I have any info on any online options.

In my early visits, in the early to mid 90's, I also sampled some lady houses, some in Nimmanhaemin Road area, some in the southern parts of the city. I didn't like the experience much, preferring MPs instead, and haven't visited them since. I wouldn't be surprised if their number is greatly reduced now, considering how upscale CM has become.

Of the 5 or so fishbowl-style MPs that exist in CM, Sayuri had been my favorite since my first visit until early 2000's when CM Hills became my top pick. In those early visits, in the early 90's, both the selection and service were outstanding. The very first girl I pulled from Sayuri ended up becoming my GF for a week. Another one, a few years later was even better. My best mongering experience ever. I very much doubt that kind of experience would be available today, sad to say.

By early 2000's, the decline in the selection and service levels had become noticeable. Still, I never failed to find what I was looking for, and still preferred mongering in CM over any other place. This decline, unfortunately, continues. If in the past the challenge was picking the best girl from among many doable ones, now it's just trying to find one doable one from 15-20 in the fishbowl. Challenging, but not impossible. On my latest visit, sometimes I had to shuttle between several different places, but in the end never failed to have a satisfying experience. Service levels have gone down too, but still among the best in the world in my opinion- this is still LOS after all. Perhaps surprisingly, real prices (adjusted for inflation and exchange rates) haven't gone up much if at all.

So in summary, I'd say that if your primary purpose is mongering, or if you like bars and traditional expat-oriented nightlife, CM is not your place. But if you're coming here for touristic reasons but want some actions on the side, in a Thai-oriented atmosphere, you'll find it, and with some luck, have as good a time as anywhere else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1742503]Visited today, with mixed expectations based on posts here. It's not bad!

.... Asked a papasan for prices: 2000-2200-2500 from right to left....


....I went by tuktuk, used the post office in Charoenmuang Road as fake destination (avoid commission fee)...

[/QUOTE]As we wrote many times here. The prices are 1100 Thb for Nr. only 1300 Thb for M and Nr. - so even when you made a funny Chiangmai Tour by Tuk Tuk you paid nearly double Price. 555.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1742702]As we wrote many times here. The prices are 1100 Thb for Nr. only 1300 Thb for M and Nr. - so even when you made a funny Chiangmai Tour by Tuk Tuk you paid nearly double Price. 555.[/QUOTE]Could you please explain your mysterious abbreviations? They don't even show up in this forum's abbreviations list. And 555 means what exactly? I'd like to access your information, but am finding it rather opaque.

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1743322]Could you please explain your mysterious abbreviations? They don't even show up in this forum's abbreviations list. And 555 means what exactly? I'd like to access your information, but am finding it rather opaque.[/QUOTE]The number "5" in Thai is "Ha".

555 is hahaha.

I too have no idea about the other obscure abbreviations.

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1743322] Could you please explain your mysterious abbreviations? [/QUOTE]I just told you, what we posted many times here:

Prices in Sayuri are:

Girl with only a Number / no Letter is 1100 THB.

Girl with M and a Number is 1300 THB.

Girl with be. I forgot, but about 1500 THB.

And Superstar about 2000 - 2500 THB.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1743619]I just told you, what we posted many times here:

Prices in Sayuri are:

Girl with only a Number / no Letter is 1100 THB.

Girl with M and a Number is 1300 THB.

Girl with be. I forgot, but about 1500 THB.

And Superstar about 2000 - 2500 THB.[/QUOTE]What beno forgot to tell is that you only get these prices by going up to the cashier and telling him the number or handing him a chit and just plonk the right amount of Thai baht down. Watch how other people do it. If you involve the papasans there at all, the price will go up a lot!

Sayuri again today, arrived 2 pm.

I counted 35 guests, 17 girls + 1 super model. But girls came and went fast, and there's a whiteboard where you can see how many are in the rooms, their numbers and what time the'll be back. Lineup wasn't as good as last Saturday.

I knew right away, before I ordered a drink, which girl I wanted. So the drinking time was basically to investigate if I could find anything against her!

This time I just informed the papasan her number, went straight to the cashier, put 2 x1000 on the desk and awaited money in return. The papasan took the coloured badge, but I kept waiting at the desk, casually and homely. Then they counted my return money, and gave me 900 back.

So, this time I paid 1100 for a number girl!

I don't think it's for the same service as last time though. This time there were no small bottles and boxes delivered in the room, to be opened and mixed into soapy massage gel. It was bathtub massage, massage on the bed and fuck on the bed. No water mattress sliding / soapy massage in between.

Picked no. 49, Apple, from Korat, spinner, long black hair. She looks like 19 but probably 24-25,1 kid, speaks a little English, nice attitude, but action oriented. Nice BBBJ, she really knows how to use her tongue, a little deep too, then CG until she got tired and invited me to fuck her missionary etc. , which I did until I thought my heart would stop. Came hard.

While Atom the other day was a social event, a fiesta of crazy communication and laughter, Apple was much more fuck oriented. I like it both ways, but would anytime pick Atom again.

If you wan't to tip the girl, do it before you're back in the reception area, where she will disappear right away. Both times I've tipped them right in front of the fat ladies at the bottom of the staircase.

Chiang Mai has been great, lots of available sex around when you get horny. And you will. Lots of beautiful women, laid back and relaxed.
I'll probably post a separate report later on things besides Sayuri.

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1743700]
. And you will. Lots of beautiful women, laid back and relaxed.
I'll probably post a separate report later on things besides Sayuri.[/QUOTE]Regretably there is one particularly, and a few others, who decry the availability of quality ladies in Chiang Mai.

My experience, on a number of visits, is that the quality is neither better, nor worse, that Bangkok and other places. There are enough gems to satisfy discerning punters.

Unfortunately one member has put me on some complex 'ignore' staus so I never see his continuing miserable diatribe against Chiang Mai Ladies. A pity as he is so out of touch.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1743709]Regretably there is one particularly, and a few others, who decry the availability of quality ladies in Chiang Mai.

My experience, on a number of visits, is that the quality is neither better, nor worse, that Bangkok and other places. There are enough gems to satisfy discerning punters.

Unfortunately one member has put me on some complex 'ignore' staus so I never see his continuing miserable diatribe against Chiang Mai Ladies. A pity as he is so out of touch.[/QUOTE]I think you need only to sign out and reload anonymously to see the poor fool's rants.

If I was so down on a place I'd go elsewhere. A lot of people are mainly in Chiang Mai because it is cheaper.

I like the sex a lot better in another place myself and travel there every so often for a week. But that week costs me what a month is in Chiang Ma.

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1743700]Sayuri again today, arrived 2 pm.

I counted 35 guests, 17 girls + 1 super model. But girls came and went fast, and there's a whiteboard where you can see how many are in the rooms, their numbers and what time the'll be back. Lineup wasn't as good as last Saturday.

I knew right away, before I ordered a drink, which girl I wanted. So the drinking time was basically to investigate if I could find anything against her!

This time I just informed the papasan her number, went straight to the cashier, put 2 x1000 on the desk and awaited money in return. The papasan took the coloured badge, but I kept waiting at the desk, casually and homely. Then they counted my return money, and gave me 900 back.

So, this time I paid 1100 for a number girl!.[/QUOTE]Just to confirm what is written here.

Just enter, sit down and have a look. Order a drink if you want. The papasan does only say goodbye when you enter but does not press you at all. Hardly notices you! If you don't see a girl that you like simply leave or sit down and wait. Nobody, ic the papasan will ask you anything. No pressure even if you sit half an hour or longer! So easy going.

As said before: order your girl at the papasan, walk to the cashier, drop 2000 baht and stand and wait for your change. No problem at all!!

Did it, after reading your advise, several times already. Have fun!

How nice to see some useful and actionable information on this thread.

I'm curious about one thing. I haven't tried Sayuri, but have visited Celebrity perhaps eight times. Sayuri sounds a bit cheaper. Can anyone who has frequented both establishments convince me that I really need to give Sayuri a try on my next visit to Chiang Mai? Once again, thanks to all who are keeping this thread helpful. I too am always able to find plenty of fun with pretty women on my occasional visits.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1743709]Regretably there is one particularly, and a few others, who decry the availability of quality ladies in Chiang Mai.

My experience, on a number of visits, is that the quality is neither better, nor worse, that Bangkok and other places. There are enough gems to satisfy discerning punters.

Unfortunately one member has put me on some complex 'ignore' staus so I never see his continuing miserable diatribe against Chiang Mai Ladies. A pity as he is so out of touch.[/QUOTE]Yes, this small group of local "experts" including your friend, LOL, are apparently going through disappointments in life for which the City is to blame.

I prepared for CM by RTTT, but basically gave up. Very little evidence, all assumptions on how action is or resentments on how action used to be 20 years ago.

I read an interesting article about CM saying that due to the high concentration of temples in the old city the town has developed a decentralised amusements structure. IOW, a sort of postmodern sexual infrastructure with local hotspots. This should all be in favour of our local ISG fellows, building up their knowledge. If they have, they definitely don't want to share!!

I've chased a cute teen-ish girl around in my hotel room wearing nothing but my hard dick after a good BBBJ, while she was laughing and screaming as if in a ghost train, because I wanted some kissing! It ended with lots of kissing too while I fucked her on my bed.

She wasn't an expensive WG from some covert online service. She was a nice bargirl I picked up from the upper end of Loi Kroh close to the Moat.

One day I went for a massage in Loi Kroh, picked a cute girl 30 years with a little English. I had BBBJ on the small mattress upstairs, as good as it gets with sessions on both sides of the curtains, one of them with a continuously talking American. I don't have Line so we became Facebook friends. Three days later I went to see her again in the evening, but she was busy. I showed the other girls my facebook pictures of her, and asked them to let her know I had been there. 30 minutes or so later she messaged me "Miss you come now! I wrote back "Too late, but you can come to my hotel". Short time after I was fucking her on my bed. Rate was up to me!

I met a nice girl from Craig's. According to your friend AT, that's not possible in CM.

She's 32, nice body and the attitude of an angel. I fucked her two times in my hotel room. We also went around in her car, going to a restaurant, temples and other lame GF stuff. 2 k per day! I gave a small present to her daughter.

I've reported on Sayuri already, didn't make it to Celeb, maybe someone else can provide fresh report on that place. But it's right in the City center, easily accessable.

I spent a lot of time in Bar no. 1, for relaxing, watching sports TV and eating. Girls are nice, remember to buy them LDs they aren't allowed to ask for it themselves.

They wanted me to do a new girl from Laos, no English at all. She wasn't my type and to be honest face only 3-4/10. But some other nice girls. I didn't BF any from there though, don't know if it's even possible within reasonable rates.

I never made it to Foxy Lady either, but it's a 2 min walk from Loi Kroh, good reports around.

So my point: If you want sex in CM just look for it where you are, it's available everywhere, and girls are generally nice and beautiful. If for monger as primary purpose, go to Patts, if you want to enjoy life too, CM is a great place.

[QUOTE=OnThinIce;1746635]How nice to see some useful and actionable information on this thread.

I'm curious about one thing. I haven't tried Sayuri, but have visited Celebrity perhaps eight times. Sayuri sounds a bit cheaper. Can anyone who has frequented both establishments convince me that I really need to give Sayuri a try on my next visit to Chiang Mai? Once again, thanks to all who are keeping this thread helpful. I too am always able to find plenty of fun with pretty women on my occasional visits.[/QUOTE]Did a reseach yesterday: Been to sayuri, celebrityt, phuchom, Loi Kroh Road en two gogo's.

My first remark about the soapies. The servicelevel of soapies in Chiang Mai looks very standard and lower than fi pattaya, Do not know why. Have been serviced several times but very standard. First I thought "this girls do this every day, maybe seven times every day." But that is also the case in pattaya and there I feel much more fun and not because in pattaya girls speak english and in Chiang Mai most girls not or very limited. No, must be something else. Back to the soapies. Sayuri: Always 15 girls, 5 of every pricelevel or more. 20 or 25 I have seen often. Nice to see! I like the girls. Nice to see. Not to much overweight and nicely dressed. Some are fun too but service al standard. Blowjob sometimes covered, kissing sometimes not at all.

Celebrity. Almost comparable with Sayuri so no additional info!! Question was: "can anyone convince me that I should give Sayuri a try " answer is: why not. Just try but the difference is minimal. Price in Sayuri is better / lower.

Finally": Phucom. Entrance in parking under the phucomhotel. Can't miss. A little more basic when you enter. I was there yesterday. Just five girls. Nothing special so I left. Girls were ok but I need to have a larger choice to find one that looks (maybe just a little bit) more attractive.

Next stop Loi Kroh Road. Starts at the circular road not too far from Thapaegate. First part: bars and massages. Then, after about 100 meters a goup of bars "Chiang Mai entertainement complex " sounds huge. Isn't Not much bigger than the entertainmentcomplexes in walkstreet Pattaya. Just bars with everything you can expect there.

Then the gogo's Next to the entertainement complex, Not at the Loh Kroh road but at a street / soi at the right just before you hit the complex that is along this complex is a gogo. Name: Starxix. Have been there several times. You enter, take some flights of steps and at the 2nd or 3rd level you arrive in a small hall with a door that says "starxix. If you enter you hear someone behind you calling you. Did not notice but there is, in the dark, a very small window and someone behind the window. Cashier. 150 baht including one drink.

Paid and entered. A large small stage and chairs around it. Most of the times I was there, mostly around 10 in the evening, 5, 6 girls "dancing " or better said "möving" They are for take out. 600 BF 2000 for the lady.

After this visit I went to spotlight a gogo. Is at the circular not far from thapae gate. I liked that gogo. About 15 girls in shifts of 5 or six "dancing"and after that sitting down at the bar. No fat girls and many of the girls I liked. Just nice girls to look (and more) at. BF 700, gorl: 2000 - 2500.

IThis was the end of my trip. I stayed there and left with a girl.

[QUOTE=William3;1747233]
My first remark about the soapies. The servicelevel of soapies in Chiang Mai looks very standard and lower than fi pattaya, Do not know why. Have been serviced several times but very standard. First I thought "this girls do this every day, maybe seven times every day. " But that is also the case in pattaya and there I feel much more fun and not because in pattaya girls speak english and in Chiang Mai most girls not or very limited. No, must be something else.
[/QUOTE]Wow, great report, good to see you also had fun, made it much further than me, and added great actionable information.

A few days ago I visited Sabai Dee in Pattaya, one of the 3 BigC soapies, and allegedly the leading one. IMO the lineup was horrible!

I actually asked the papasan if I came at a bad time, as the number of girls wasn't impressive (seems even smaller due to the huge bowl). Besides I was the only guest. Two Israelis came in but left again. He was a little offended, but said that it was their usual number of high quality lineup (sic!) Most of the girls were either overweight, vulgar, aggressively trying to catch my interest (the two bowls are open bleachers), or what I would even rate ugly, or all of it.

I picked the only one I found doable (31 years, Issan, 2 kids). I agree, service was more at "western" standards. We started DFK already standing as I undressed her, and also a little DATY before bath tub. Good fuck too, and we became FB friends. Another difference, the rooms in Sabai Dee are of bigger size and better quality than Sayuri.

At Sayuri I also had eg. Some DFK at my two visits. But I experienced that I in a way had to earn their trust first, it wasn't openly offered. My guess is that Sayuri, besides from the volume turnover being higher pr. Girl, they seem to cater primarily for Asian customers, where DFK and fuck in all positions aren't standard. In Pattaya they primarily cater for Western customers. A little speculative, maybe the farang customers in Sayuri have a history of bad reputation?

Could be interesting to visit the same girl more times in Sayuri, after gaining trust etc. But that's a privilege for the locals I don't have.

But baseline, I found the lineup in Sayuri way better than Sabai Dee.

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1747554]Wow, great report, good to see you also had fun, made it much further than me, and added great actionable information.

A few days ago I visited Sabai Dee in Pattaya, one of the 3 BigC soapies, and allegedly the leading one. IMO the lineup was horrible!

I actually asked the papasan if I came at a bad time, as the number of girls wasn't impressive (seems even smaller due to the huge bowl). Besides I was the only guest. Two Israelis came in but left again.

But baseline, I found the lineup in Sayuri way better than Sabai Dee.[/QUOTE]There are real concerns I Pattaya about the number of visitors. I am a frequent reader of many newspapers / on line news sites. The Russians stay away due to their problems, the Europeans stay away due to a) their problems, Greece and be the devaluation of the euro against the baht!

For one euro you got 42 or even more baht about one year ago. Now you get 36 or 37! So Thailand is now 15% more expensive for Europeans. Sorry not for the Britain but they do not feel European I believe.

Read somewhere that the Chinese travel organisations require huge discount from the hotels. Some of the hotels do have just 30 or 40% of the rooms occupancy. Sorry am not British can not find the word. If that is the case the girls in the soapies will have the same experience!

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1747554]Wow, great report, good to see you also had fun, made it much further than me, and added great actionable information.

A few days ago I visited Sabai Dee in Pattaya, one of the 3 BigC soapies, and allegedly the leading one. IMO the lineup was horrible!

I actually asked the papasan if I came at a bad time, as the number of girls wasn't impressive (seems even smaller due to the huge bowl). Besides I was the only guest. Two Israelis came in but left again. He was a little offended, but said that it was their usual number of high quality lineup (sic!) Most of the girls were either overweight, vulgar, aggressively trying to catch my interest (the two bowls are open bleachers), or what I would even rate ugly, or all of it.

I picked the only one I found doable (31 years, Issan, 2 kids). I agree, service was more at "western" standards. We started DFK already standing as I undressed her, and also a little DATY before bath tub. Good fuck too, and we became FB friends. Another difference, the rooms in Sabai Dee are of bigger size and better quality than Sayuri.

At Sayuri I also had eg. Some DFK at my two visits. But I experienced that I in a way had to earn their trust first, it wasn't openly offered. My guess is that Sayuri, besides from the volume turnover being higher pr. Girl, they seem to cater primarily for Asian customers, where DFK and fuck in all positions aren't standard. In Pattaya they primarily cater for Western customers. A little speculative, maybe the farang customers in Sayuri have a history of bad reputation?

Could be interesting to visit the same girl more times in Sayuri, after gaining trust etc. But that's a privilege for the locals I don't have.

But baseline, I found the lineup in Sayuri way better than Sabai Dee.[/QUOTE]From my experiences of visiting Pattaya, I never felt the need to go to a soapy.

With it's scores of bars and even regular massage parlours that had FS on offer, plus some girls working in the coffee shops and restaurants being up for grabs including the many freelancers, I was spoilt for choice with girls to suit all tastes and pockets. Soapies would be the last places I would considering using in Pattaya, have no need to do so. I have also found that Chiang Rai had more on offer, although it was quality rather than quantity, but the few options available were all dead certs and much cheaper too.

These Chiang Mai reports always revert back to the Skank Loi Kroh Road and the handful of soapies that over the years are now well played out and passed their sell by dates.

During the last 5 years I have been visiting Bangkok and Pattaya twice each year for my mongering. Although there is still fun to be had in Chiang Mai, I would never consider the city as an option for mongering. When friends visit from abroad, I arrange to meet them Bangkok.

For people who enjoy the finer, more refined tourist attractions, then Chiang Mai is most appropriate for them, but for guys expecting a bit of nightlife and rampant relief, they are going to find Chiang Mai expensive, hit and miss, limited and disappointing.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1747936]From my experiences of visiting Pattaya, I never felt the need to go to a soapy. [/QUOTE]It was my first day in Pattaya, I had walked along the Beach Rd all the way from WS in search of an FL. I was desolated by the level I met, noone there I would trust to even touch my dick. So when I reached the soi BigC and saw the Sabai Dee sign I was ready to pay full price just for the bath tub!

Soon after I was drawn by the the flashing lights of soi LK and the go-go's, and never left LK area again!! I agree with you on this, why spent time in soapies in Pattaya (if not for the need of a bath).

On your views on CM and night life, girls, prices and more I disagree, which should be obvious by now.

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1747960]
On your views on CM and night life, girls, prices and more I disagree, which should be obvious by now.[/QUOTE]Nicely put, Jean. I think most of us tire at reading the downbeat, dour views of Mr. Tick. Yes, we all agree that CM is *not* Bangkok or Pattaya. No one says it is. Still, there is lots.

Of high quality, reasonably priced fun to be had.

I am pleased to see more more positive, upbeat reports about the CM scene. Thanks to all that are contributing.

SW4.

Howdy,

I'll be visiting Chiang Mai in Oct / Nov of this year. And I'm currently researching where I will stay. Which obviously needs to be guest friendly.

I've found a ton of websites that recommend 'guest friendly' accommodation in the Chang Moi / Loi Kroh Road area. But the lists are seemingly limited to 3-star (ish) budget-conscious guesthouses, lodges etc.

With regard to the four and five stars places (and there seems to be quite a few in the vicinity) - is it simply a case of e-mailing each of the hotels to see what their guest policy is. Or is there an up-to-date list somewhere on the interweb that focuses more on the 4/5-star hotels?

Any 4/5 star recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Blitzkrieg;1750362]Howdy,

I'll be visiting Chiang Mai in Oct / Nov of this year. And I'm currently researching where I will stay. Which obviously needs to be guest friendly.

I've found a ton of websites that recommend 'guest friendly' accommodation in the Chang Moi / Loi Kroh Road area. But the lists are seemingly limited to 3-star (ish) budget-conscious guesthouses, lodges etc.

With regard to the four and five stars places (and there seems to be quite a few in the vicinity) - is it simply a case of e-mailing each of the hotels to see what their guest policy is. Or is there an up-to-date list somewhere on the interweb that focuses more on the 4/5-star hotels?

Any 4/5 star recommendations would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]LE Meridien is rather nice.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Blitzkrieg;1750362]Howdy,

I'll be visiting Chiang Mai in Oct / Nov of this year. And I'm currently researching where I will stay. Which obviously needs to be guest friendly.

I've found a ton of websites that recommend 'guest friendly' accommodation in the Chang Moi / Loi Kroh Road area. But the lists are seemingly limited to 3-star (ish) budget-conscious guesthouses, lodges etc.

With regard to the four and five stars places (and there seems to be quite a few in the vicinity) - is it simply a case of e-mailing each of the hotels to see what their guest policy is. Or is there an up-to-date list somewhere on the interweb that focuses more on the 4/5-star hotels?

Any 4/5 star recommendations would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]HolidayInn is GF. Didn't ask for confirmation, just brought the girls, no ID check at the front desk. It's a huge hotel, the ground floor and facilities are impressive including gift stores, lounge areas and a nice garden area. The rooms are really spacious, I had a 24th floor room with river view which I and the girls enjoyed in many senses, LOL.

The pool area renovation (2nd floor) is finished by end of September.

It's out along Chang Khlan Road, so you'll need a tuktuk when bringing girls back from Loi Kroh, 50-75 bht (but use their free shuttle services when going into the city center). For location only, LE Meridien is better.

Could someone please point me to a Thai hotel that isn't guest friendly? I've never seen one. Especially when you're asking about four or five star hotels. I can't imagine any of the pricier hotels risking offending their customer base by denying a visitor. One of the better things about Thailand is that people's personal business tends to remain just that. I find Thais to be really good about not sticking their nose into mine or other people's business. I really appreciate that, and wish that more falang would follow suit.

[QUOTE=JeanSean;1746890]

I never made it to Foxy Lady either, but it's a 2 min walk from Loi Kroh, good reports around.

So my point: If you want sex in CM just look for it where you are, it's available everywhere, and girls are generally nice and beautiful. If for monger as primary purpose, go to Patts, if you want to enjoy life too, CM is a great place.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have put it better.

I recently managed to steal a few days away and went to Pattaya for the 2nd time. In 3 nights I had 3 different girls and they were just about the 3 worst shags I've had. Such was my experience I'm not looking to return to Pattaya or Thailand at all for that matter. I'm getting good service at a fair price in Europe these days.

Last year I took a girl from Foxy Lady in Chiang Mai and she was one of the best shags I've ever had. Go figure.

But in general, don't go to CM to monger. Go for CM and you might get some nice girl experiences on the side as well.

Recommendations on inexpensive rooms for stays of 5 hours to overnights. Say around 500 baht?

The LUX is a great inexpensive place to stay for 700 baht, but it is tourist oriented, require passport to check in, and they don't encourage short timers.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1760808]Recommendations on inexpensive rooms for stays of 5 hours to overnights. Say around 500 baht?
The LUX is a great inexpensive place to stay for 700 baht, but it is tourist oriented, require passport to check in, and they don't encourage short timers.
Thanks![/QUOTE]The Amada curtain hotel, on Chang Mai Land, has very good rooms, 180 Baht for the first hour, 70 Baht for every hour after. Big rooms with bed (no blankets, they are not furnished for a comfortable sleep! Sofa, Jacuzzi, big TV with (Japanese) porn. There is however a surcharge for two girls, I paid 280 baht for one hour when I brought two ladies. Not sure what the following hours would be charged after that.

No passport needed.

Hi everyone,

I will be traveling to Chiang Mai and plan to be there the last week of November up until about December 10th, 2015. I'm a newbie so would love to know if anyone is around that might be interested in exploring the local "night life" with me. I haven't had a chance to do it before so hoping to meet some new people and also get better deals in the process!

Also. Does anyone have any recommendations for what area of town to stay in that offers access to picking up girls, and that is generally girl friendly in terms if hotels as well?

Happy mongering.

My reports will be brief as I am on a tablet which is a pain for typing and there may be some typos. Chose CM because there was some touristy stuff I wanted to do as well. Booked into the Roong ruang hotel, clean, helpful and GF. Great bar opposite with sexy waitresses.

Walked around for hours to get the lay of the land and to see if there was any talent knocking about but all there was, was the bar girls on Loi Kroh and that's not my thing as I prefer FLers.

Decided to have one drink at John's Place then back to hotel for some sleep, then out on the prowl at around 11 pm. Finished my beer around 9 pm walking towards thae pae gate and I see a girl on a bench eating corn, offer her a fisherman's friend, we get talking she is from Issan, I get worried because I read a other about these girls but I forget about it.

Long story short we arrange to meet at 11 to party, she shows up and has a motorbike and we go for a couple of beers, her English is bad. All night long it's me not like falang but I like you. Get her back to the hotel and smash the life out of her she is very enthusiastic, every position no problem. Done her 3 times could have been more but I was tired. Looks I would say 7. 5 It seemed every time I woke up she was either sacking my balls or cock constantly. She really wanted to please. 5 am she is leaving with no mention of payment so I put 1000 in her bag. Good first day in LOS.

Fellow mongers just a bit of background I am in Phuket now and will just briefly update you on CM.

My date from yesterday leaves at 5 am I am doing a touristy thing at 8 am so mongering and tourism don't go well as the exhaustion is getting to me. Day 2, too tired to hunt for talented and play it safe and go find my previous date. Not really as good as the previous day and she left a bit earlier but this is mainly down to me as I got a little too drunk. Gave her 500, well wortit.

Day 3 Sunday. Did not want to go with the same girl 3 times and it was my last night so I was going hunting. Passed Spicy at about 10.30 spoke to the doorman and he said they close at 1 am so I will go there at midnight to pick up.

Doing my walk around and this hot girl in an alley next to lucky asks if I want sucky sucky, I ask how much 500, no too expensive, ok then 200. Deals get to spicy at midnight and it's shut. There are a couple of Flers opposite, a small 4 out of 10 said she will do me for 600. I say 400. For 400 she says I can have one pop. Bring her back to my hotel and smash her hard for 45 min. 400 well spent.

Overall I like CM, laid back chilled, easy to blend in with some real cheap sex. Next stop Phuket.

Hi all,

New poster here, but longtime reader. In LOS for a while yet so will add as I find good news.

Met a nice one at the Sunday walking street. Bought a wallet at one of the stalls, and a few steps away this girl started tailing me, flipping her hair, brushing her hips against mine. We started talking, and she's been a local in CM for a while, from near Bangkok originally, works at a hotel here. Very flirty from the start, big smiles and laughs, great personality. A few years older than me, but quite pretty, nice figure, and good chemistry between us. Her English was OK. A little while into our talk she asks "Where you hotel?" I said it was far, so she said her apartment was close by, and why don't we go back. Definitely. I was carrying this empty water bottle with a straw in it, and she insisted on carrying it for me, and sometimes as we passed a group of girls she'd hold it out and rattle it, like she was showing off. Nice touch.

Back at her place she gave me water and cooled off the room, we talked a few minutes, started kissing, and she said "Now you shower?" She helped me get undressed, made sure the water was warm enough, gave me a clean towel, made sure I knew which was the soap and which was the shampoo. The whole time she was attentive and eager to please, making sure I was comfortable. While I was showering, I heard her on the phone speaking Thai, and got a little nervous for a second like maybe she's called a pimp or a mugger, but turns out nothing to worry about. When I came out of the shower she was naked and wrapped in a towel sitting at the foot of the bed. She dried me off a little more, and we got down to business.

Great performance in the sack. DFK, tongue-sucking, eye contact, very energetic. DATY, and great BBBJ I could have had all night, but she says "I haven't fucked in a long time!" She didn't offer a condom, but I had my own, so we were on to multiple positions and some good pounding for a while. Blew the cover pretty good with her rubbing my balls. Both cleaned up with a quick shower. Afterwards lay in bed watching some TV, just hanging out, and she turns to me and asks "How much you give me?" LOL! Gave her a fair amount, and she offered to drive me to get a tuktuk. Got her number, and will probably repeat with her soon, definitely for that BBBJ again.

Who knows where in Chiang Mai, you can get a massage as Akane gives in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1770913](. . .) she turns to me and asks "How much you give me?" LOL! Gave her a fair amount, and she offered to drive me to get a tuktuk. Got her number, and will probably repeat with her soon, definitely for that BBBJ again.[/QUOTE]And how much was that "fair amount"?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1771317]And how much was that "fair amount"?[/QUOTE]1400 thb. Quality service I wanted again, and got more of the next weekend.

Had been putting this one off for a while, and finally checked it out about 5 or 6 on a Saturday afternoon. As posters have said before, it's a real laid-back feel in the "viewing room," no pressure to buy a drink or hurry up and pick a girl, no upselling when you do pick one out, prices and services quoted up front. I sat a few minutes looking the girls over, there were maybe 25 behind the glass, in groups of 3. One girl had caught my eye right when I walked in because of the way she looked up when I walked through the door, but after a few minutes I chose another and motioned the papasan over. Turns out the girl in that group didn't do body-to-body massage, and I was there for that and more, so I looked the girls over again and chose the girl I noticed first. Pretty damn hot anyway in a dark blue top and short tie-up skirt, so I motioned the papasan over again, paid 2 k baht at the counter, and she comes out and leads me downstairs.

Chemistry between us was OK at the start, and didn't improve a lot during the session. Probably the girls are overworked and do 30+ sessions a week, but she was friendly enough in spurts, a nice laugh, playful in a really cute way. Said she was from Patts, showed me a pic of her daughter on her phone after we were done, kept teasing me about being "Americano" for some reason, LOL. Nice bath and then body massage, very athletic up and down, great working her ass and tits on my balls and cock, and some good tongue-flicking my balls on the bed. CBJ, and wouldn't let me DATY, which was a bummer, but she was responsive during the FS, and did a couple of positions. Nice clean up and being dressed by her at the end, then back upstairs and out the door. All in all, would repeat if pickings are slim elsewhere, but as a whole the place didn't blow me away.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1782459]and leads me downstairs.[/QUOTE]I've been there only once. Think the rooms downstairs are all the "standard" ones. Cheaper, but for example no air-con and tiny. Can by quite hot inside. I suggest getting the slightly more expensive VIP rooms. I personally would do next time.

Service for me felt also not that great. Girl "in a rush". Just like to "get it over". Had a similar experience in Celebrities as well. So in Chiang Mai better stick with the bar girl scene.

[QUOTE=JohnDoe69;1783045]I've been there only once. Think the rooms downstairs are all the "standard" ones. Cheaper, but for example no air-con and tiny. Can by quite hot inside. I suggest getting the slightly more expensive VIP rooms. I personally would do next time.

Service for me felt also not that great. Girl "in a rush". Just like to "get it over". Had a similar experience in Celebrities as well. So in Chiang Mai better stick with the bar girl scene.[/QUOTE]It was the same for me.

Over the years I have tried all the Chiang Mai soapy places, but they're all much of the same. Girls average quality, been to one, been to them all. Found the Phucome Hotel to be the cheapest, 1200 baht normal price, the others charge according to how gullible they think the customers are.

Strictly mechanical service, the girls are given a routine and they rarely deviate from it. In the tub, on the bed, wham, bam, thank you mam, goodbye. I become bored of the Chiang Mai commercial adults scene and over the last year have rarely ventured into the town since, there is nothing there that wets my appetite.

Always keeping my eyes open for something new and vibrant, but it's seems to be the exact opposite, more places on the decline than on the increase. There are times that we could strike lucky, but it's very hit and miss.

Agree with both you. The girl definitely had her routine down, and mainly went through the motions. Some nice tricks thrown in, and she warmed up a little as I kept flirting with her. But still nowhere near a spectacular lay, and 2 k baht can get a nice one from Foxy, I hear. At least then you get the chance to talk and test the girl out beforehand. Going there next.

Anybody found this monger map to be of much use? [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zHJYByVQf8b4.k30sYoah6Vvg&hl=en[/URL].

On a plus note, Peera Pharmacy still selling Viagra, Levitra, and Sidegra / Sildenafil. Was quoted 1500 baht for Viagra, 1800 for Levitra, and 250 for Sidegra, all 100 MG, all 4 tabs in a box. She was out of Viagra, so I took 2 boxes of the Sidegra for a trip to Bangkok this weekend. Hope they don't get confiscated at the airport.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1783766]Agree with both you. The girl definitely had her routine down, and mainly went through the motions. Some nice tricks thrown in, and she warmed up a little as I kept flirting with her. But still nowhere near a spectacular lay, and 2 k baht can get a nice one from Foxy, I hear. At least then you get the chance to talk and test the girl out beforehand. Going there next.
[/QUOTE]I've had some very good sessions at Sayuri though, including DATY, DT, 69 - and easily filling out all 1,5 hours. So I guess it depends on which girl you pick.

I've also found that you have to charm the girls a little into it, maybe they are by default a little suspicious about farangs (based on the negative attitude of a few expats in this thread I wouldn't blame them!

Anyway, soapies for me is more about eye candy fuck that real GF!

Don't engage the papasan in any way other than telling him the number of the girl. Engaging him will increase prices.

The prices I've found this summer, latest visit last week, are 1100,1300, 1500. The rightmost (1100) are the ones I prefer, maybe there aren't as over worked as the more expensive ones.

I'm pretty much will repeat what I said before about a year ago. Chiang Mai IMO is the best city to live in Thailand and of the best in the world. It is a 'bit' slow and laid back but the green backdrop of the mountains, the immense amount of different foods you can eat that cater towards the semi-health nuts like myself (gluten free-pizza, an array of chicken 'breast' BBQ on stick, etc) and the lovely Chiang Mai girls. I've been to rural areas of Thailand, to the deep South, to the central part and parts where no 'farangs' have journeyed. And Chiang Mai warm up to me than most of those places. And this is despite the high number of Westerners either living there or vacationing.

Also Chiang Mai girls have the firmest and best shapely butts in all of Thailand. Its not 'big' (go down to Hat Yai. A lot of the Muslim or Muslim mixed Hat Yai girls have 'WOW' butts. But Chiang Mai may be the winner.). But its nice and bumpy.

Its a great laid back culture, delicious food, great looking girls for Thailand, cheap cost of living. YET, the biggest draw-back its probably one of the worst in mongering. At least last time I was there.

Its hard to get information on Chiang Mai because a lot of the Westerners "claim" NOT to be a monger (probably in reality over half of them 'secret mongerers). The only info I can gather was to check the massage places in the alleys or streets and use intuition. It looks like there is a soapie there so who know how that will be. I went to a soapie in Chiang Rai (Chiang Rai also stinks for mongering) and while the selection was 'blaaaa' there, I did end up having a great session. One of the best, with this near grannie lady. She had to be at least 50 years old. She was the oldest person I've ever been with. So why did I go with her? From far away she didn't look as old and her body was lean and tight. I think she was one of the Akha or mountain people.

I will do my best to get any info but it will probably end up not being of much use.

Bangkok is an "OK" City. But it is the only city that I know that has a thriving red light district yet you are able to take your own mother shopping next door at a high end mall while your wife gets a spa treatment at a 5 star hotel, all the while you are humping some 20 something year old Isaan girl for ST while she is telling you look like you are 32 when in reality you look like 50 years old to try to hustle some $$$ points. Welcome to Bangkok.

Going to give Chiang Mai another shot.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1788377]I'm pretty much will repeat what I said before about a year ago. Chiang Mai IMO is the best city to live in Thailand and of the best in the world. ....

Going to give Chiang Mai another shot.[/QUOTE]I hear you, Goyer. There are some real sweeties to be found up here for sure, to say nothing about their obvious beauty. The girls are fun and playful, and good dates even if you don't get the classic "hansum man" shag. For that, there's the Loi Kroh scene, though for my tastes some of those girls are a little too aggressive. It's a lot more enjoyable with an easygoing girl who's having fun too, and GFE is always worth the extra effort IMO. Chiang Mai definitely has that for the patient, polite, and fun-loving guy.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1788377]I'm pretty much will repeat what I said before about a year ago. Chiang Mai IMO is the best city to live in Thailand and of the best in the world. It is a 'bit' slow and laid back but the green backdrop of the mountains, the immense amount of different foods you can eat that cater towards the semi-health nuts like myself (gluten free-pizza, an array of chicken 'breast' BBQ on stick, etc) and the lovely Chiang Mai girls. I've been to rural areas of Thailand, to the deep South, to the central part and parts where no 'farangs' have journeyed. And Chiang Mai warm up to me than most of those places. And this is despite the high number of Westerners either living there or vacationing.

Also Chiang Mai girls have the firmest and best shapely butts in all of Thailand. Its not 'big' (go down to Hat Yai. A lot of the Muslim or Muslim mixed Hat Yai girls have 'WOW' butts. But Chiang Mai may be the winner.). But its nice and bumpy.

Its a great laid back culture, delicious food, great looking girls for Thailand, cheap cost of living. YET, the biggest draw-back its probably one of the worst in mongering. At least last time I was there.

Its hard to get information on Chiang Mai because a lot of the Westerners "claim" NOT to be a monger (probably in reality over half of them 'secret mongerers). The only info I can gather was to check the massage places in the alleys or streets and use intuition. It looks like there is a soapie there so who know how that will be. I went to a soapie in Chiang Rai (Chiang Rai also stinks for mongering) and while the selection was 'blaaaa' there, I did end up having a great session. One of the best, with this near grannie lady. She had to be at least 50 years old. She was the oldest person I've ever been with. So why did I go with her? From far away she didn't look as old and her body was lean and tight. I think she was one of the Akha or mountain people.

I will do my best to get any info but it will probably end up not being of much use.

Bangkok is an "OK" City. But it is the only city that I know that has a thriving red light district yet you are able to take your own mother shopping next door at a high end mall while your wife gets a spa treatment at a 5 star hotel, all the while you are humping some 20 something year old Isaan girl for ST while she is telling you look like you are 32 when in reality you look like 50 years old to try to hustle some $$$ points. Welcome to Bangkok.

Going to give Chiang Mai another shot.[/QUOTE]One thing not often mentioned about Chiang Mai, is that immigration has become a nightmare. Check out the Chiang Mai section on the Thai Visa forums.

If I would have known how the night life and adult entertainments were going to decline and how bad the immigration processes were going to become here, I would never had invested and not decided to live in Chiang Mai.

I warn anyone thinking about living long term in Chiang Mai, to do their research first.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1788377]I'm pretty much will repeat what I said before about a year ago. Chiang Mai IMO is the best city to live in Thailand and of the best in the world. It is a 'bit' slow and laid back but the green backdrop of the mountains, the immense amount of different foods you can eat that cater towards the semi-health nuts like myself (gluten free-pizza, an array of chicken 'breast' BBQ on stick, etc) and the lovely Chiang Mai girls. I've been to rural areas of Thailand, to the deep South, to the central part and parts where no 'farangs' have journeyed. And Chiang Mai warm up to me than most of those places. And this is despite the high number of Westerners either living there or vacationing.

Also Chiang Mai girls have the firmest and best shapely butts in all of Thailand. Its not 'big' (go down to Hat Yai. A lot of the Muslim or Muslim mixed Hat Yai girls have 'WOW' butts. But Chiang Mai may be the winner.). But its nice and bumpy.[/QUOTE]For some childish reason ole Arthur Tick Tock has managed to prevent me seeing his usually / always depressing views of mongering in Chiang Mai. I understand there are ways of breaking this childish blocking but (I) I can't be bothered and (ii) if I did I would only find doom and gloom. I can only suspect that too much time in the sun has withered his curiosity. There is plenty of action in Chiang Mai and the delightful thing is that it is not the blatant sex of Bangkok but far more subtle and interesting.

The motto of every visitor to CM should be "seek and you will find" and the other motto - "ignore Tick Tock'.

[QUOTE=Goyer78;1788377]I'm pretty much will repeat what I said before about a year ago. Chiang Mai IMO is the best city to live in Thailand and of the best in the world. .....

Its a great laid back culture, delicious food, great looking girls for Thailand, cheap cost of living. YET, the biggest draw-back its probably one of the worst in mongering. At least last time I was there.

Its hard to get information on Chiang Mai because a lot of the Westerners "claim" NOT to be a monger (probably in reality over half of them 'secret mongerers).[/QUOTE]You nailed it, mate. I've had the good fortune to travel, work, and live in a lot of places, and Chiang Mai comes out in the top 2 or 3 places I have ever found to live, for many of the same reasons you mention: scenery, food, cost of living, people, and a zero crime rate. I would also add the city has some great temples, pretty good malls, and you can motorcycle 25 miles in any direction and be deep in some of the most beautiful countryside in Asia.

But if you come here for mongering, you will be grossly disappointed. Mongering in the Lanna North rates near the bottom of any list you choose. You may occasionally get lucky with a nice Isan girl, but greater likelihood is, you won't.

My suggestion: bring a beautiful Pinay with you. IMO, Thai girls are very nice and sweet but when it comes to downright sexiness and ability to converse, no Asian woman can beat a Filipino.

So, please move along, nothing to see here.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1788517]For some childish reason ole Arthur Tick Tock has managed to prevent me seeing his usually / always depressing views of mongering in Chiang Mai. I understand there are ways of breaking this childish blocking but (I) I can't be bothered and (ii) if I did I would only find doom and gloom. I can only suspect that too much time in the sun has withered his curiosity. There is plenty of action in Chiang Mai and the delightful thing is that it is not the blatant sex of Bangkok but far more subtle and interesting.

The motto of every visitor to CM should be "seek and you will find" and the other motto - "ignore Tick Tock'.[/QUOTE]I have not and never blocked anybody. If you claim I have prevented you from viewing my posts, then how are you able to reply to my post you alleged not able to see?

If you are unable to see my posts, then you will not know that I think you`re probably way over the hill to enjoy the mongering scene anyway.

Why don`t you follow your own advice and ignore tick tock, you senile old fool

[QUOTE=PolyOrchid;1788521]
But if you come here for mongering, you will be grossly disappointed. Mongering in the Lanna North rates near the bottom of any list you choose. You may occasionally get lucky with a nice Isan girl, but greater likelihood is, you won't.

My suggestion: bring a beautiful Pinay with you. IMO, Thai girls are very nice and sweet but when it comes to downright sexiness and ability to converse, no Asian woman can beat a Filipino.

So, please move along, nothing to see here.[/QUOTE]Like others you compare Chiang Mai with the sex pots of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket but fail to realise that most of Thailand (and most of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket) are not sex havens. Thus you are not comparing like with like.

Chiang Mai has plenty of opportunities for the average punter and plenty of delightful ladies. What ever miserable Tick Tock says. He probably has not mongered in decades.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1788688]Like others you compare Chiang Mai with the sex pots of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket but fail to realise that most of Thailand (and most of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket) are not sex havens. Thus you are not comparing like with like.

Chiang Mai has plenty of opportunities for the average punter and plenty of delightful ladies. What ever miserable Tick Tock says. He probably has not mongered in decades.[/QUOTE]Please tell us where to find all these golden opportunities with delightful ladies in Chiang Mai and when you last scored your last golden opportunity? Moron.

Has posted another hidden, from me, post.

Gues he is scared that I will challenge his depressingly negative views on punting in CM.

When you are scared to debate.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1789053]Has posted another hidden, from me, post.

Gues he is scared that I will challenge his depressingly negative views on punting in CM.

When you are scared to debate.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought that a site called "International Sex Guide" would be an international sex guide. Apparently it's an insult others and argue over senseless crap forum.

Maybe Jackson can change the domain to make it clear.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1789075]Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought that a site called "International Sex Guide" would be an international sex guide. Apparently it's an insult others and argue over senseless crap forum.

Maybe Jackson can change the domain to make it clear.[/QUOTE]As long as some poster give out-of-date and inaccurate information it is only right to make certain that those going to CM are not influenced by this inaccurate information.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1789099]As long as some poster give out-of-date and inaccurate information it is only right to make certain that those going to CM are not influenced by this inaccurate information.[/QUOTE]I agree Tick's opinion is very negative and it gets tiring to hear negatives all the time. But it's one man's opinion. Read it, take what you want from it, and move on. I haven't been to CM in years. But from reading posts here, including Ticks, I realize CM is not Pattaya. It's hard to find a lot of quality girls, but there may be a few out there.

Can we get back to the topic of girls in CM and not the childish internet arguments?

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1789099]As long as some poster give out-of-date and inaccurate information it is only right to make certain that those going to CM are not influenced by this inaccurate information.[/QUOTE]So don't sink to his level, just put out the current and accurate information.

I think anyone who has done a little research knows that CM isn't going to compare to BKK or Pattaya, but what does it have to offer for entertainment outside the sightseeing? Could a Thailand novice have a good time, or does it require more experience with the language and culture?

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1789053]Has posted another hidden, from me, post.

Gues he is scared that I will challenge his depressingly negative views on punting in CM.

When you are scared to debate.[/QUOTE]Then I think you would be better off to continue mass-debating rather than worrying yourself about my thoughts on the Chiang Mai social scene.

There was another poster who latched on to every post I made and was eventually banned. I bet you're the same troll who tries to overpower anyone who's views you don't like.

To me the Chiang Mai monger scene is now virtually non-existent, unless someone can shine a light of where to find an oasis in the desert. That's my present view on the subject, take it or leave it.

Seeing a few freelancers on Mun Mueang Rd (the northbound lane just inside Tha Phae Gate), between the Loi Kroh turnaround and the Chiang Moi turnaround. Just 3 or 4, but it's been early when I've spotted them, between 18.00 - 19.00, couple nights a week.

Picked one up tonight about 18.30. Cruised past on my motorbike to see what was out, and spotted this one with short hair on one of the benches by the Chiang Moi turnaround. Petite and cute, with nice legs in shorts. Parked on the sidewalk on opposite side of the moat and walked back around, made eye contact, she said "Hello, you want lady?" Tried chatting a little but she had almost no English apart from her business vocabulary. Offered suck 400, said there was a room close by for 250. Got the sense there was more on offer, so figured why the hell not. She gave me directions to the place as we drove, was on the north side of old city not far from the moat, through a few narrow sois. The place is pretty much just a fuck-house, but the rooms are pretty clean, have shower, towels, soap, shampoo, mirror on the ceiling, even porn vids on the tube, LOL. It's laid out like a motel with covered garages in front of the rooms, when I pulled my bike in some guy wheeled the door shut behind, and the girl led us into the room.

BBBJ was ok, but she kept at it awhile, then offered fuck for 1000 more, but I negotiated down to 1200 total, room and all. Took some back-and-forth to get down to that, so the trick is probably to negotiate price on the street so you don't interrupt things on the bed. Was a pretty basic session, nothing spectacular, although she was pretty tight, firm natural B cups. Then shower, dress, and go. She kept asking me, "I suck good?" Gave her a ride back to the Chiang Moi turnaround, but before we left she had to talk to some guy in an office, probably the manager or pimp, but there were no problems either in or out. Dropped her at the 7-11 like she wanted, she even kicked in the footrests on my bike, LOL.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;1764410]Hi everyone,

I will be traveling to Chiang Mai and plan to be there the last week of November up until about December 10th, 2015. I'm a newbie so would love to know if anyone is around that might be interested in exploring the local "night life" with me. I haven't had a chance to do it before so hoping to meet some new people and also get better deals in the process!

Also. Does anyone have any recommendations for what area of town to stay in that offers access to picking up girls, and that is generally girl friendly in terms if hotels as well?

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Will be there. Looking for hotel with balcony in Loi Kraw area. Only found lodge but sites don't indicate which rooms have balcony. Have email request in for info. Any info would be helpful. I'm new here and cannot find a private message button.

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[QUOTE=Aponymous;1789328]Seeing a few freelancers on Mun Mueang Rd (the northbound lane just inside Tha Phae Gate), between the Loi Kroh turnaround and the Chiang Moi turnaround. Just 3 or 4, but it's been early when I've spotted them, between 18.00 - 19.00, couple nights a week.[/QUOTE]Similar situation on the opposite side of the street, heading south. Ladyboys there. Starting later the night. Some have a motorbike parked there, others have their own car there for action if you are into this.

Earlier this summer I was passing some MPs in Loi Kroh Road on my way to a bar in soi 1. A daring look and smile from a particularly good looking girl caught my interest, and after 50 meters or so I turned around, went back and approached her. Massage was in an open space separated by curtains, at the end I suggested BJ which she accepted and stopped to get a condom. I signalled (it's not easy to discuss this with sessions going on at both sides of the curtains) that we forget the condom and during BBBJ also managed to get her t-shirt and then bra off, but not her panties. I left in a good mood and with her FB address. She's 29, two small kids, from Tak.

Two weeks before my trip to Thailand last month I wrote to her and suggested that I could visit her in CM. She accepted right away, so I cut down my booking in Pattaya (I never book hotels without a cancellation option) and booked 3 days in CM as first destination. A few days before my flight she wrote to me for a confirmation, and let me know that she would "take care of me all the time". When I arrived I added a quick visit to Sayuri first, to loosen up after the Europe long haul and connecting flights.

At Sayuri I picked a young cute Chinese looking girl in the 1,1 k side, she took me through the entire program: bath, mattress with nuri gel and blowjob and then BBBJ and fuck on the bed. I told her that I didn't want to finish, which she couldn't figure out why. She was a good lay, her rhythmic responses made it really tempting to shoot my load in her pussy, but I resisted. Tipped her 300 so she didn't take it personally.

Back in the hotel, at 5. 30 pm as agreed, my girl for the next 3 days messaged me from the hotel lobby!

The hotel had rewarded me with a great upgrade to a top floor 90 sqm 2 room corner suite with double panorama windows and views over the mountains and the city skyline.

As I didn't know what to expect from the girl, no mentions of sex at all had been made in our communication, I hoped that the room itself, and her favourite perfume that I had bought to her in the airport in Europe, could get her into bed with little efforts. But no reasons for my concerns it turned out, after 5 minutes in the suite we were engaged in hefty DFK, my hands in her pants and her grip around my dick. So we took the first of many showers, she dressed into a Hello Kitty night gown, closed the curtains and then we fucked until I shot my well preserved load all over her. It was like meeting an old girlfriend!

For 3 days we fucked 3 times a day with repeated fuck / BBBJ variations all over the suite. And each day she gave me a professional massage ("my present for you", we had to go to 7/11 to get some Johnson's baby oil). My entire stock of Sagami, My Size and Trojan Magnum was almost vanished before I even hit my main destination, Pattaya!

She told me that she had paid off her manager to take the three days off. I can't remember if she also told me how much.

Besides fucking and having fun at the hotel we went to the Airport Centre mall so I could do some shopping, lots of stores had sales, I bought 3 pairs of jeans, and after fucking at the hotel again I went to sleep while she went out to find a taylor to fit the jeans. I gave her my wallet with most of my credit cards and 7000 baht in cash, she didn't even blink and of course returned it with it's entire content. Next day we went to the Warorot market where I bought some presents for her kids.

She kept talking in mobile with her MP girlfriends all the time (they missed her), more than once I was eating her pussy and started fucking her with her friends still on the phone, while she giggled and groaned.

Every night we had dinner at her favourite cheap local restaurants. I visited her shared room twice and met her room mate. The last night we went to her MP and spent an hour or so talking with the other girls. One of them, her 5 years younger BFF, was particularly hot and fluent English speaking, and when they suggested that we all went for karaoke in a bar in Loi Kroh after the MP closed I refused, as I knew I wouldn't resist starting hitting on her!

Instead we went to a bar at the Moat, I started drinking wine while she started ordering cocktails. She explained to me how the girls in the MP either have or want to have boyfriends, both on hourly basis and monthly support. But it's important that it can't be linked to the MP, and if the manager finds out that a girl goes out with customers they are in big trouble. The reason is, that the local police simply shuts down MPs if they are linked to sex. When I asked her for a definition she said that clothes off equals sex.

We kept drinking, and I was reminded that:

1) When a Thai girl starts ordering cocktails she doesn't stop herself until she hits the floor. It's your responsibility to stop her in time.

2) When a Thai girl starts drinking, you simply don't hint at or mention the name of any of her girlfriends! Getting tipsy I couldn't help mentioning her hot BFF, and right away she started "Oh, you want to fuck her, I don't mind you fucking her if you fuck me too, You want me to call her right now and fuck her?" bla bla bla. I managed to get her into a tuktuk.

Back at the hotel and still drunk we started cuddling and I wanted to sleep. I usually don't mix alcohol and sex anyway, and I didn't want to arrive in Pattaya the next day totally dry and with no ammo. But she kept bugging me, so I turned over, spread her legs and pressed my uncovered dick against her pussy. "Up to you" she begged, and I started fucking her, the first time I've fucked anyone in Thailand but my ex-girlfriend bareback. After some hard fucking I lifted her and took her into the living room and fucked her standing from the back with her body pressed up against the panorama. "Next time" I told her, and took my dick out and pressed it slightly into her ass while I pulled her hair tight. "Why next time" she said. At that point I could have dry fucked her ass bareback, but I was loosing erection so took her over to one of the sofas and had a great BJ and DT before I finally came over her body and the sofa!

Next morning I gave her what I had of cash in the safe, she thanked and we went together to the airport. She went straight from the airport down to Tak. We still keep in touch.

With all these hot MP girls available if you get your contacts in place Chiang Mai must be heaven on earth for local expats.

Wow, what a long post!

With the aim of checking myself whether indeed Chiang Mai is such a terrible place for mongering, I decided to make a visit to Sayuri.

After a leisurely walk to this venerable establishment, I arrived there. It was rather early (about 1:30 PM) and only 6 girls were in the fishbowl, but slowly new girls appeared.

The LU was a bit of a mixed bunch and initially none of them appealed to me. One who looked kind of cute was chosen just when I wanted to call the papasan over. First rule: don't delay when you see something you like.

Then no. M75 came in: long dark hair, smiling face, t-shirt and rather than a skirt or dress, tight fitting hot-pants. Yes, she's mine!

I asked for a VIP room as I like to be bathed by my companion, rather than take a shower. YMMV.

When her clothes came off, I saw I had made a good choice: nice (enhanced) breasts with sizable nipples, a shaved pussy, a muscular bum and legs to match. She speaks quite good English.

In the bath tub I got washed and pampered all over. No hurry and I could feel her up already. My "younger brother" reacted quite favorably to her attention.

She dried me with a towel, then did the same with herself and joined me on the bed.

Unfortunately, there was to be no kissing. A minor negative point indeed.

Our hands roamed over each other's body and soon she started sucking (covered, I don't mind that and always let the girl decide) and she didn't forget the family jewels either. It seems she really appreciated that I'm shaven. She has quite a good oral technique and I had to stop her to avoid cumming already.

Then I started kissing and licking her body. She has a nice clean pussy and I sucked and licked her labia and clit until she came to a shuddering orgasm. If it wasn't real then she should get an Oscar for her perfomance. Her pussy became quite wet and was very tight. Getting one finger in was already somewhat difficult.

Fortunately, I'm not hung like a horse, so some careful and slow movements got my dick totally inside her hot and wet pussy. She moved quite well and after a while I got a nice orgasm.

Then it was back to the bathtub to clean up and get dressed.

In summary: a nice experience, nothing earth-shattering but exactly what I expected; good "take care" followed by standard sex.

Will it appeal to all? I'm quite certain it won't; this is neither GFE nor PSE and seems mainly directed towards an Asian clientele, but for once to was nice to experience how our Asian brothers like to monger.

Would I repeat: I think so, but not immediately. But if you feel the need for a quick release in a quiet environment and you don't want to go through the hassle of a fake massage, then this is certainly not a bad bet.

Gave this one another go after swearing off soapies in Bangkok, and it was definitely worth a second shot, in every sense of the word. Went around 16.00 on a Saturday to find about 18 girls in the fishbowl, and maybe 12 guys viewing. Sat down and checked out the girls for a few minutes. Place seemed busy with the girls coming and going, a few guys got up to pick their girl, and a few more came in. The girl I had picked on my last visit was there again this time, #59 in the middle row, definitely a hot one with good skills, but this time I picked #56 from the far left, and she was a gem. Ordered directly from the lady at the counter this time instead of through the papasan, but she told the number to the papasan anyway and I was quoted 1400 baht. Gave my girl a nice smile when she came out, she smiled back and led me downstairs.

Great session overall, but I couldn't figure out why the older lady who manages things downstairs wanted to talk business with my girl for the first 2-3 minutes of our session. They were speaking Thai and I couldn't understand, but it had something to do with money, as my girl handed over a hundred baht plus some 20's. I waited patiently at first then spoke up, and the lady got lost and my girl locked the door.

Said her name's Om, she's been in CM for a month and has worked at Sayuri for as long, came here from Bangkok. Said she's 30 but she looks 25, face, body, and all. Lean and shapely figure, natural A-be cups, gorgeous long black hair. Was wearing one of those sexy short Asian dresses. Nice tattoo on her lower back, she said it's her name in Chinese, a single letter. First thing she asked me after my name was if I go to S. A lot, and I laughed a little as I'm still new to mongering, but I don't think it communicated right (her English is minimal). She asked me later if I go to Pattaya, and seemed to watch me closely when I said I'd never been (yet). My sense was she's a little new to this profession, or at least she's cautious about it, but this didn't hurt her performance one bit, and actually I liked the thought or fantasy of her being new.

Fairly quick but good bath, nice rub-downs in the right places, and it always feels good to be washed by a woman. She complimented my size, but told me "Careful. Make pain. " Let me wash her and touch her all over, then she got out and handed me the towel, and we were on to the bed.

Started kissing my nipples and stroking me, then went to a good CBJ, fast and tight with her mouth. I prefer BBBJ (doesn't everyone), but this girl could convert me. I went to DATY and at first she wouldn't let me, but after she let me tickle her clit and finger her a little, she didn't stop me when I went down the second time. Pussy not shaved, but her hair is the perfect length to feel all over your face and rub your nose in, but not get in the way of working on her. Very clean and delicious pussy, she gets nice and wet. I went back and forth from working on her clit to working on her opening, licking and sucking, and she enjoyed it more and more. She pulled her legs up over her head and watched me, very pretty face and eyes, then started rolling her eyes up to the ceiling and thrusting her hips, gripping my head in both hands. She'd reach over and take my hand and move it to her pussy when she wanted me to finger her, would watch me and stick out her tongue when she wanted me to lick her clit. Seemed we were communicating just fine, because after a few minutes of this she came pretty strong, I had to hold her in place with one hand on her ass while she bucked and squirmed, then collapsed looking up at the ceiling.

Moved up to penetrate her, and she held me back from going all the way in, so I took it easy. Switched from mish to doggy after a few minutes and she handled that well, let me reach around rubbing her clit some more. I could have finished but was enjoying the session, so I flipped over and pulled her on top for CG. She's got some fine skills with that, too. Enjoyed watching her ass and that tattoo on her lower back in the mirror on the ceiling while she worked her pussy close against my dick. She kept switching her eyes from the edge of the bed to my face, then made herself cum a second time, and when she relaxed I flipped her back over to finish doggy.

Wash-up, get dressed, she asked me to zip up her black dress, and as we were about to walk out she goes "Tip! Tip!" Made me laugh, because I started thinking about that while I was licking her pussy and watching her cum, so I said I needed to change the 1000-bill I had or give her 20's, and we went upstairs to the counter. Tipped her in front of everybody, she said something about "prungnee" (tomorrow), and I left that place walking on air. Will repeat.

Can someone confirm the directions to Sayuri for me?

I walked down Baumrang road after having seen a sign for "Sayuri Complex. " A left turn from that sign. I walked at least 100 m and never saw anything resembling the picture. It was a Saturday night, at around 9:30 pm. Was it closed already? If I walked by it, what should I look for?

This location was Baum rang road about 200 m east of the river.

Is this still the best soapy in town? I walked past a place called "Rose. " It looked like a Karaoke bar. Anyone with any experience there?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1794461]Can someone confirm the directions to Sayuri for me?

I walked down Baumrang road after having seen a sign for "Sayuri Complex. " A left turn from that sign. I walked at least 100 m and never saw anything resembling the picture. It was a Saturday night, at around 9:30 pm. Was it closed already? If I walked by it, what should I look for?

This location was Baum rang road about 200 m east of the river.

Is this still the best soapy in town? I walked past a place called "Rose. " It looked like a Karaoke bar. Anyone with any experience there?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I think you didn't walk far enough.

From the bridge, turn left at the second traffic lights, (Bamrung Rajd Road) then it is about 400 m to Soi 2 (second road on the left) and from there 50 m to the entrance of Sayuri (left side of the road again). Inside take there are 3 doors after going up the stairs. you want the middle door. The most right hand door is a legit massage and I have no idea what happens behind the left hand door. When you enter you see the fishbowl on your right, so you know you are in the right place.

Google maps is your friend: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/21d8PWRzGAJ2[/URL].

[QUOTE=Manny51;1794461]Can someone confirm the directions to Sayuri for me?

I walked down Baumrang road after having seen a sign for "Sayuri Complex. " A left turn from that sign. I walked at least 100 m and never saw anything resembling the picture. It was a Saturday night, at around 9:30 pm. Was it closed already? If I walked by it, what should I look for?

This location was Baum rang road about 200 m east of the river.

Is this still the best soapy in town? I walked past a place called "Rose. " It looked like a Karaoke bar. Anyone with any experience there?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]It's not at Bamrung Rajd, but Bamrung Rajt soi 2, a small soi that connects the parallel Bamrung Rajt and Bamrung Rajt soi 1. From Bamrung Rajt along soi 2 towards soi 1 it's on your left hand, you cannot miss it, it's a big complex for that small road, and with a huge parking lot in front of it.

Just a pice of advice: Stay away from the Chiang Mai Karaoke clubs, it's well documented that they cater to corporate and Asian clientele. You might easily end up with no pussy and the monkey walk and a bill of several 10 k notes. If you like karaoke, choose an ordinary bar instead, lot's of them have karaoke too, but with affordable prices and girls.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1794467]I think you didn't walk far enough.

From the bridge, turn left at the second traffic lights, (Bamrung Rajd Road) then it is about 400 m to Soi 2 (second road on the left) and from there 50 m to the entrance of Sayuri (left side of the road again). Inside take there are 3 doors after going up the stairs. you want the middle door. The most right hand door is a legit massage and I have no idea what happens behind the left hand door. When you enter you see the fishbowl on your right, so you know you are in the right place.

Google maps is your friend: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/21d8PWRzGAJ2[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for the quick response. I 'll walk a little further, or better yet, take a tuk tuk.

BTW, can you briefly explain the pricing? What did you mean by the 1. 1 K side?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1794472]Thanks for the quick response. I 'll walk a little further, or better yet, take a tuk tuk.

BTW, can you briefly explain the pricing? What did you mean by the 1. 1 K side?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]A tuktuk will charge more to drop you at Sayuri, the drivers get a commission for it. You could ask to get dropped at Bangkok Bank on the corner of Charoen Muang and Bumrungrat, then walk up Bumrung. Farther up Bumrung on the left, a little high up there is a red and black sign pointing left that says "Sayuri, Just Say Hi. " Turn left down that Soi and then turn left again into the parking lot. There's a concrete wall in front so it's not real easy to see until you get into the lot, but it's a big 3 or 4 story building. Inside, go up the stairs on the right, and enter the door directly across.

Someone else could answer pricing better than I can, but on my first visit I was told that the girls in the far left group (the 1.1 k baht side) don't do body massage. The girls on the right are the supermodel class, and hence the most expensive. Girl I picked yesterday was from the far left, and I was told 1400 baht for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1794598]A tuktuk will charge more to drop you at Sayuri, the drivers get a commission for it. You could ask to get dropped at Bangkok Bank on the corner of Charoen Muang and Bumrungrat, then walk up Bumrung. Farther up Bumrung on the left, a little high up there is a red and black sign pointing left that says "Sayuri, Just Say Hi. " Turn left down that Soi and then turn left again into the parking lot. There's a concrete wall in front so it's not real easy to see until you get into the lot, but it's a big 3 or 4 story building. Inside, go up the stairs on the right, and enter the door directly across.

Someone else could answer pricing better than I can, but on my first visit I was told that the girls in the far left group (the 1.1 k baht side) don't do body massage. The girls on the right are the supermodel class, and hence the most expensive. Girl I picked yesterday was from the far left, and I was told 1400 baht for 1 hour.[/QUOTE]I've also been advised not to let the tuktuk take you all the way. From the crossing Charoen Muang Road / Bamrun Rajd Road it's not that far to walk.

The prices I confirmed earlier this summer was: far right and number only: 1,1, middle section + letter "M": 1,3 and left +letterB (I believe it is, I've never tried one of those): more expensive. For the models (sitting outside the bowl to the far left) I don't know, but probably much higher and individual prices.

That the numbers only girls do not give the B2 be matches with what I saw earlier this summer, but at my last visit I only paid 1100 and that included nuru powder and water mattress. I don't remember her number though, but she was sitting in the far right section.

These prices only work if you don't engage the papasan in anything apart from telling him which girl you've picked. Go to the counter and give the the exact amount in cash, or stay and await your change no matter that the girl may already have come out to meet you.

Thanks for the replies!

Is the action the same all nights of the week? Or are Sundays and Mondays slower?

How about picking up Vitamin V or see? Are all those little pharmacies along the night market the same?

[QUOTE=Manny51;1794744]Thanks for the replies!

Is the action the same all nights of the week? Or are Sundays and Mondays slower?

How about picking up Vitamin V or see? Are all those little pharmacies along the night market the same?[/QUOTE]I think there is more variability within one day than there is between days, but you can never tell for sure. Perhaps your ideal type of girl was just taken one second before you enter and will return just after you leave. Just go there, sit and watch until you see someone that you fancy. Then you act quickly and grab her, lest someone else is there before you.

As to Vitamin "V" or "C", I never had any problem in Thailand to buy some in any of the official pharmacies. Generic thai "V" called "Sidegra" at 300 or 400 baht for 4 tablets of 100 mg. Generic "C" ("apcalis") at 500 baht for 4 tablets of 20 mg.

I never buy from street hawkers so I don't know about their quality or price.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1795163]As to Vitamin "V" or "C", I never had any problem in Thailand to buy some in any of the official pharmacies. Generic thai "V" called "Sidegra" at 300 or 400 baht for 4 tablets of 100 mg. Generic "C" ("apcalis") at 500 baht for 4 tablets of 20 mg.

I never buy from street hawkers so I don't know about their quality or price.[/QUOTE]Peera Pharmacy by Tha Phae Gate, my report a few weeks ago. I've heard the streethawker stuff is f-ing dangerous.

The beer bar girls (box bars and Lo Kroh) seem to expect more here than Pattaya where I used to live, so trying to get a handle on what's considered fair here. I tend to choose 35-45 year olds that prefer a steady customer to a lot of shifting short times.

In Pattaya 1 k Baht for overnight with a long time customer seem to keep everyone happy. What's considered a fair rate in CM?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1803925]The beer bar girls (box bars and Lo Kroh) seem to expect more here than Pattaya where I used to live, so trying to get a handle on what's considered fair here. I tend to choose 35-45 year olds that prefer a steady customer to a lot of shifting short times.

In Pattaya 1 k Baht for overnight with a long time customer seem to keep everyone happy. What's considered a fair rate in CM?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya 5 months ago and there was no way I could grab a girl out of a bar for 1000 baht all night. Maybe some of the freelancers that hang about the beach area. I was getting 20 something year old girls from Pattaya bars on average, 1 lady drink, 300 baht bar fine and 1000 baht short time.

In Chiang Mai the situation is difference. Very few decent bars remain now, and it's become a case of supply and demand. Usually from 400 to 600 baht bar fine, the grots may go for 1000 baht a pop short time, but the real stuff, the desirables have move to the expensive karaoke clubs, online escorts and the new body to body glorified HJ spas springing up all over the outskirts of the city that charge silly money for a quicky thrill but no full sex.

Some will give tales of how they managed to pull young nympho sex goddesses, wet and willing to do anything for a pittance, but I wouldn't take those with any credibility.

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1803925]The beer bar girls (box bars and Lo Kroh) seem to expect more here than Pattaya where I used to live, so trying to get a handle on what's considered fair here. I tend to choose 35-45 year olds that prefer a steady customer to a lot of shifting short times.

In Pattaya 1 k Baht for overnight with a long time customer seem to keep everyone happy. What's considered a fair rate in CM?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I am not CM expert but the days of 1 k LT in Pattaya are only in the archives of the forum. 800 - 1000 for ST is pretty much the norm now, even at Soi 6. You might have followed some discussions on the going rates for ST at popular GoGos on WS. 3000 for ST. Yes, fucking crazy!

So taking everything into consideration if you can pull a lady at 1500 - 2000 for LT I would consider that fair rate.

Hi everyone,

I am about to try the soapy Celeb at cnx, probably today, and I was wondering if it is better to wait until the evening or if there will be enough girls in the afternoon. I read contradictory reports online about this question.

I used to go to Sayura and I still can't decide which one was the best: limited # of girls in the afternoon vs too much customers picking the best girls in the evening.

Report to come!

[QUOTE=JojoLasticot;1805504]Hi everyone,

I am about to try the soapy Celeb at cnx, probably today, and I was wondering if it is better to wait until the evening or if there will be enough girls in the afternoon. I read contradictory reports online about this question.

I used to go to Sayura and I still can't decide which one was the best: limited # of girls in the afternoon vs too much customers picking the best girls in the evening.

Report to come![/QUOTE]If you know the opening hours at Celeb, you could make a guess about when the girls' shifts would overlap, and go then when there would be the most girls. Could also get an idea of the usual Thai work hours, and go before other gents get off work. That was how I started going to Sayuri.

[QUOTE=StillFrisky;1803925]The beer bar girls (box bars and Lo Kroh) seem to expect more here than Pattaya where I used to live, so trying to get a handle on what's considered fair here. I tend to choose 35-45 year olds that prefer a steady customer to a lot of shifting short times.

In Pattaya 1 k Baht for overnight with a long time customer seem to keep everyone happy. What's considered a fair rate in CM?

Thanks![/QUOTE]It's been a long few weeks and I'm looking for some action this weekend, can report afterwards, but for now can only advise the FLers I've picked up in the past few months, one for 1200st, another for 1400st. Neither is probably what you're looking for, but that's at least an idea of what some of the girls are thinking to get.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1805630]If you know the opening hours at Celeb, you could make a guess about when the girls' shifts would overlap, and go then when there would be the most girls. Could also get an idea of the usual Thai work hours, and go before other gents get off work. That was how I started going to Sayuri.[/QUOTE]I am not sure there are actual shifts. Maybe though, this is a good suggestion and I should simply ask the papasan next time I go there. Anyway I went yesterday afternoon around 3 or 4 pm. There were not a lot of girls behind the mirror, maybe 6 or 7, average looking / below my standards. Only one was really cute and I did not need more, so I went with her. First of all I was expecting a soapy massage in a nice room and there was no soapy action at all, only a very quick shower (no hot water which was painful, I was whining "yen yen yen" whe she was showering me which made her smile) in a room that is not crappy at all, but really basic and far from the high-end luxury I read about online. However and most important the girl was really nice, had a wonderful body and did a really good job. Awesome, although too short, BBBJ. I did not ask about CIM but I doubt she would have liked it. She did not speak a single word of English and none of us gave a crap about this. Nice experience. I don't know if I misunderstood when I read it was a soapy massage parlour though. It is basically a brothel. Which is fine for me.

I have to go back in the evening though because clearly there aren't enough girls in the afternoon.

[QUOTE=JojoLasticot;1806445]I am not sure there are actual shifts. Maybe though, this is a good suggestion and I should simply ask the papasan next time I go there. Anyway I went yesterday afternoon around 3 or 4 pm. There were not a lot of girls behind the mirror, maybe 6 or 7, average looking / below my standards. Only one was really cute and I did not need more, so I went with her. First of all I was expecting a soapy massage in a nice room and there was no soapy action at all, only a very quick shower (no hot water which was painful, I was whining "yen yen yen" whe she was showering me which made her smile) in a room that is not crappy at all, but really basic and far from the high-end luxury I read about online. However and most important the girl was really nice, had a wonderful body and did a really good job. Awesome, although too short, BBBJ. I did not ask about CIM but I doubt she would have liked it. She did not speak a single word of English and none of us gave a crap about this. Nice experience. I don't know if I misunderstood when I read it was a soapy massage parlour though. It is basically a brothel. Which is fine for me.

I have to go back in the evening though because clearly there aren't enough girls in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]For how long and how much?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1807079]For how long and how much?[/QUOTE]I guess one hour is the deal but none of us watched the clock. The girls sitting on the left are more expensive - 1700 baths is what I paid, I think the ones on the right are 1200 or 1400. Although she didn't ask for it I gave her the change (300 baths) as a tip, deserved.

[QUOTE=JojoLasticot;1807309]I guess one hour is the deal but none of us watched the clock. The girls sitting on the left are more expensive - 1700 baths is what I paid, I think the ones on the right are 1200 or 1400. Although she didn't ask for it I gave her the change (300 baths) as a tip, deserved.[/QUOTE]It's mean't to be an hour and a half, but no one ever gets that. The Celeb used to be at the Chiang Mai Hills hotel where I paid 900 baht an hour or 1200 baht for 90 minutes.

You would be better off going to the soapy at the Phucome hotel. 1200 baht is the average going rate there and as it's not so busy as the other soapy's the girls are inclined to go a little bit further. The rooms although old are very spacious.

[QUOTE=JojoLasticot;1806445]I am not sure there are actual shifts. [/QUOTE]I mentioned that only I've noticed the hours at Sayuri being 12:00 - 24:00, and can't imagine the girls working 12 hours a day, or anything like that in any place.

Maybe she ran the water yen so the room wouldn't get hot. I had a girl do that once, and it was better than sweating.

Walking past the Duangtawan hotel towards the night bazaar for a bite to eat I passed these girls. They were obviously waiting for customers. Decided to inform what the possibilities are on my way back but unfortunately they disappeared. Does anyone know if this place has ladies waiting for some business more often?

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This report comes from the prospective of a newbie to mongering vacations outside the USA On a 20 day hobbying adventure to Hong Kong, Thailand, and Cambodia. Still Need to finish my Hong Kong diary but at least have some comparisons. Given only 3 days, I decided to narrow my targeting to Loi Khio road. I find my opportunities improve with familiarity and comfort level, so for newbies on short stop, you may want to concentrate efforts in one area and Loi Khio seemed best with the beer bar boxing complex and several Agogos in easy walking distance. Stayed at raminglodge. Upgrade to executive suite for a couple of extra coins, it's worth it if for no other reasons several the three ladies were impressed and may, maybe not, improved their comfort level and performance.

First night. Hit the beer bar complex 6 pm. Way too early. Returned around 830. I'd say 70 percent of the girls were not doable. Side note, But with a fixation for Asians and traveling 1000's miles to fuck Asians, I'd do one in three before going home alone. Anyway, always starting the night with top quality in mind and not wanting to hit the first thing to come along, I passed. Walked Loi Kroi in direction back to old city and there were about 6 small bars 2-4 girls in each aggressive in the street trying to pull you in. Some doable. Made notes in head as I walked to spotlight agogo. Jackpot. 3 rotations of 4. Girls. Most were fat but I needed just one. And there was Goi or Goy. Very pretty face, maybe 5 foot and 40 kilos with natural a cup, no kids, said 25 years old and believable. A true spinner. One beer one lady drink -around 250 baht. 750 bar fine. 2000 baht ST for two hours. Ok, don't jump on me, she would not come down and long term out due to two jobs (I think that is new tactic haven't heard on this board). Reality check. Incredibly hot Thai spinner for under 80 bucks-wasn't going to pass to save some nickels and dimes. Back at room. Back at room, started DFK. At least 10 minute BBBJ DT at times hands free all the while looking up at me with those eyes as if she was looking for a sign of approval. Then switch to 69, needed a break as I'm a one shot guy on ST, so rested while DATY. On came the hat. Went like this MISH, my standard rotation to upright sideways, then in spooning, and completing the 180 rotation into doggie. Then Cowgirl, road me hard and switched into a sweating girl girl that was off the charts. Finished back in lazy doggie, ass cheeks spread wide so I could enjoy the view. Overall Face - 8. 5, body -10, experience 9. 5 (no anal, didn't ask. Top two of all time mongering experience. 500 tip.

Second Night. Disaster. Went back to beer complex after Goi just to look around. Found syt Pim 20 if that. Meet second night. 500 bar fine. Again, no long time, work two jobs (getting to be theme). Wanted 4000ST. But for 4 hours (2 pop territory for me). I laughed. Settled on 3 k. Mistake 1. Back at room, she took bath, got into bed with towel on, turned away, rolled to her side almost fetal position. Wouldn't move. I initiated contact. Nothing. After 5 minutes, I asked her if she was going to at least do something and I started getting my dick rubbed by her leg. Obviously didn't want to be there. Told her to get out. She pleaded with me not to. That she get better. Not hearing it. Gave her 500 baht to get rid of. She wasn't a starfish, she was a fossilized starfish. Damage 1000 baht plus two lady drinks at approx 140 baht. Avoid, avoid, avoid. Maybe 2nd bar from the boxing stage on right side as walking down.

Third night-needed break from syt. Found 30 ish girl, not fat, nice smile, non aggressive with just a nice warm glow about her. Doesn't work often, does long term, but something about Kings birthday she had to be at work (other job) at 6 am. Believed her, because when I asked ST, she said she doesn't know as she does only LT. Offered 1000, accepted. 400 bar fine. Back at room, the sweet lady remained sweet. Again BBBJ DT, serious DFK. , DATY, and then she fucked me. I've been fortunate to spend many years with a lady that was multi orgasmic. It ain't me, it's the girls for the most part. Some can, most can't. I know multi organisms, what's real and what isn't and the timing. Between. This girl had 4 while in MISH, with the completion of each, she was grabbing my hibs / ass harder trying to get me to grind and go deeper. After she finished her 4th, I was exhausted. Took hat off rolled on back, and she started HJ. I asked if I could finish in her mouth. Yup. Overall. Face-7.5 body 7, experience 9. FH69.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1804590]I am not CM expert but the days of 1 k LT in Pattaya are only in the archives of the forum. 800 - 1000 for ST is pretty much the norm now, even at Soi 6. You might have followed some discussions on the going rates for ST at popular GoGos on WS. 3000 for ST. Yes, fucking crazy!

So taking everything into consideration if you can pull a lady at 1500 - 2000 for LT I would consider that fair rate.[/QUOTE]I lived in Jomtien for five years before moving to CM, so pretty familiar with Pattaya rates. 1500 for a LT will suffice for a first time with a beer bar gal, but as a steady customer 1000 Baht LT keeps them coming back. Bar fines extra of course, and a little taxi money if they come to visit on their own. Gogo's a different story, although girls often get attached and possessive about a steady, and I enjoyed a go-go gal for over a year at 1 k / night so anything is possible.

It seem gals here want to quote a higher price, but I hooked up with a nice gal from a beer bar here who's been quite happy with 1500/ LT for the last few months. So I guess that answered my own question.

Speaking some Thai helps a lot. Especially with the newer girls who don't speak any English and are happier having some interactions beyond sex. It also helps them to realize I know more about the bar scene game after a decade than they do after a few weeks in the biz.

Thanks for the responses.

SF

Long weekend to enjoy the hobby for a bit, and absolutely did so with #9 at Sayuri. Session was well above average, and she's energetic, talkative (but not the best English), laughs, makes jokes, very spontaneous. The kind of girl you could enjoy LT with and glow for days afterwards. Reminded me of a girl I had one night in Bangkok 2 months ago, great personality and stellar sex. This Sayuri girl struck me the second I walked in, but I spent a few minutes looking the girls over anyway. A pretty good lineup for 18:00 on a Sunday, and there were 2 others I would have chosen on looks alone without watching their habits, and one more hot one returned to the fishbowl while another guy (her customer) was walking out, but I decided to wait and see what other girls would show up later. Then in the space of less than 2 minutes, 3 other guys walked in, and I knew it was time to choose.

1400 baht, pay, smile at her when she comes out, then go downstairs. I got a little concerned when she turned on the TV, thinking she'd be another robot, but in the end, no way, she told me she was waiting for the tub to fill up. She gave it a whack to improve the reception, LOL, then turned it off after a minute. I washed a little in the tub and invited her in, and she dropped her towel and joined me. Stepped over my body and brushed her muff in my face, a little tease, then settled back to bathe me. Lovely eyes, light complexion, soft and fine skin, mischievous little smile that's a mix between "come fuck me" and "watch out, I'll fuck your dick off. " Her English is OK, and she talks a lot more in Thai, but she'll translate on her phone whatever she wants you to know, and she smiles and laughs a lot so it's a good time regardless. Finish bath and onto bed.

She had to step out for a second to get the larger condoms, came back and got right to it. Was polite enough to explain she always does CBJ, so I wouldn't take it personal. She does some good work, gives a nice sensation when she bounces it around in her mouth, and takes her time up and down. Asked if I wanted fuck now or more BJ, so I had her go on for a while longer before flipping her over. At first she didn't want me to DATY--a lot of girls seem to say that at first--but I coaxed her into it by asking for "just a little bit, little bit. " She used that against me about 15 minutes later when we had her wet all over the place in 69, rolling around on the bed, she said "you want little bit but you give a lot. " I told her it was because I liked her and she seemed fine with that.

Started MISH and she said I was hurting her, so had to go easy again. Honestly I think I'm not much bigger than average-big, but some of these girls say otherwise, but whatever. Very good unrushed session, she matches your pace well, very comfortable with her raising her hips every other thrust, she wraps her arms around you, brushes your lips and everything. Nice smell when you bury your face in her hair. Pulled her over for CG and let her go at her own pace for a while because I wanted to drill her good up to finish. Lovely skin and cute little belly, tight puss, nice teasing LFK with her tongue. Flipped over to doggie and she said she couldn't handle too much of that, unfortunately, kept saying "Jeb! Jeb! I die!" but it might have been part of her show. So I laid her flat and penetrated her deep from behind, try to increase her comfort, then back to doggie. Pulled her hair back and watched those lovely eyes in the mirror until finish. She gave me several more thrusts to wind down instead of pulling right away, let me kiss her back with my dick still inside her, then she cleaned me up and we got dressed.

She kept going on about my size, I thought it was funny. "You big! And long! I die!" I kept saying it was because I liked her, but she wouldn't hear it. "No, don't like me! I die!" Hilarious. Asked me if I had a girlfriend and I told her in Thai "sometimes," and she got a kick out of that. Generous tip before we left, she jumped up and gave me a nice close hug, and all the way back upstairs it was "Don't forget, don't forget. ".

#9, gents. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1808389]I mentioned that only I've noticed the hours at Sayuri being 12:00 - 24:00, and can't imagine the girls working 12 hours a day, or anything like that in any place.

Maybe she ran the water yen so the room wouldn't get hot. I had a girl do that once, and it was better than sweating.[/QUOTE]As I said I would I went back to Celeb, twice since this first report. Every time around 10 pm and there were many more girls, a few of them being really beautiful.

The downside of this place is the papasan walks in with you, sits with you and immediately asks you to pick a girl. Of course you can walk out but there is more pressure than at the Sakura where you are on your own during the first couple of minutes which makes it easier if you decide you are not interested by any of the girls present (this happened to me twice last week: gave it a try, did not find a girl whom I liked enough, walked out).

Anyway as I said there were really beautiful chicks, so that was not a problem. Those two experiences were very similar: a very beautiful girl in her early 20's who comes from the country (both told me they were from Chiang Rai) and doesn't speak a single word of English, although they understand basic questions. During the first 10 minutes you wait for the bath tube to fill and either chat or watch tv with the girl / check stuff on your smartphone. This is why a basic knowledge of Thai is useful. Then bath. The girl washes you thoroughly, paying of course special attention to your dick. Needless to mention I had a massive hard on then because, once again, they were really beautiful.

One of them gave me a nice massage too before the bath. I think all of them would do it if you ask.

Once clean we move to the bed. Action starts with a protected BJ. I don't like it as much as BBBJ but if the girl wants to put a condom on it I do respect it, I don't even ask for BB action. Then sex. Not amazing skills, but everything of good quality though. Afterwards quick shower, tip and goodbye khrap.

Overall a great experience, especially considering the bars are currently desperately empty. The very few really beautiful girls I saw all have boyfriends. Therefore it is interesting to check those places if you walked past all loy kroh bars twice and did not find anything interesting or if you do not want to spend 2 hours drinking / playing pool without being positive you will eventually go with the girl you like.

Next time I come I would like to check the Karaoke Hi-Class on the other side of River Ping, a few hundred yards after the iron bridge. Every night there seem to be girls waiting outside, almost naked for some of them, stunners for some of them and for what I saw. I did not stop though because karaoke experiences I have had or heard of in CM all turned out to be scams.

Now I am off the Europe for a few months. Enjoy your time here, be respectful of the people you meet, don't get involved in fist fights and brush your teeth at least twice a day and you should have a great time. Chang Mai is a great place, one of the most amazing cities I know, but lacks action and beautiful girls nowadays. One can always find a beautiful and sexy chick but it will definitely require more knowledge and skills than a few years ago.

I was at the night market and warorot market and figured I'd walk over to Sayuri's. A van full of asian gentleman arrived as I was walking in. There were about 15-20 girls although I could differentiate only 2 groups instead of the 3 I was expecting. Frankly, none of them were even decent-lookers. However, since I was already there, I figured, what the heck, I'll try one. So, I selected a number and went over to the desk. The papasan quoted 2500 THB to me and immediately a lined formed in front of him. Seeing as how he was quoting me a very inflated price and I had found the selection of ladies fairly underwhelming anyway, I chose to walk out. That's about it for Chiang Mai.

There were two FLs at the corner of Loi Kroh and Khampangdin but I didn't chat them up. Got an early morning day trip planned for tomorrow morning. Will see if I want to try to hit the soapy on the other side of town tomorrow night. Will go to Phuket day after anyway. I'm staying right next to the beer bar complex but it doesn't appeal much to me. A couple of girls standing outside each trying to pull you in.

[QUOTE=Maila;1815453]I was at the night market and warorot market and figured I'd walk over to Sayuri's. A van full of asian gentleman arrived as I was walking in. There were about 15-20 girls although I could differentiate only 2 groups instead of the 3 I was expecting. Frankly, none of them were even decent-lookers. However, since I was already there, I figured, what the heck, I'll try one. So, I selected a number and went over to the desk. The papasan quoted 2500 THB to me and immediately a lined formed in front of him. Seeing as how he was quoting me a very inflated price and I had found the selection of ladies fairly underwhelming anyway, I chose to walk out. That's about it for Chiang Mai.

There were two FLs at the corner of Loi Kroh and Khampangdin but I didn't chat them up. Got an early morning day trip planned for tomorrow morning. Will see if I want to try to hit the soapy on the other side of town tomorrow night. Will go to Phuket day after anyway. I'm staying right next to the beer bar complex but it doesn't appeal much to me. A couple of girls standing outside each trying to pull you in.[/QUOTE]Too bad you don't seem to know where else to look in CM, or how to talk to the local girls. Of course, we keep the best secrets to ourselves when we live here.

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1816264]Too bad you don't seem to know where else to look in CM, or how to talk to the local girls. Of course, we keep the best secrets to ourselves when we live here.[/QUOTE]Ha-ha, no its true. I had no idea and can't speak in the local language. Another one for interesting memories!

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1816264]Too bad you don't seem to know where else to look in CM, or how to talk to the local girls. Of course, we keep the best secrets to ourselves when we live here.[/QUOTE]I have lived in Chiang Mai for almost 20 years and speak reasonable Thai. My old haunts of where there were girls on offer in abundance have long gone. Over the years I have made many friends and acquaintances in Chiang Mai, both Thais and Farangs, and if there were anything I would find out about it, there are no hidden girl pulling establishments reserved for a privileged few in the know.

As regards chatting up local girls, that's called pulling the birds and is the same everywhere and has nothing to do with the commercial sex scene. No different to joining online dating sites and trying your luck there.

The Chiang Mai girly bars are on their way out and then there is the mechanical soapies, that's about it. Stories of single conquests and how guys met a nympho at a market somewhere are irrelevant to these forums.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;1765020]Long story short we arrange to meet at 11 to party, she shows up and has a motorbike and we go for a couple of beers, her English is bad. All night long it's me not like falang but I like you. Get her back to the hotel and smash the life out of her she is very enthusiastic, every position no problem. Done her 3 times could have been more but I was tired. Looks I would say 7. 5 It seemed every time I woke up she was either sacking my balls or cock constantly. She really wanted to please. 5 am she is leaving with no mention of payment so I put 1000 in her bag. Good first day in LOS.[/QUOTE]I can say with some certainty this girl had probably hit the meth pipe before your date.

Do you recall a slight chemical odor on her breath or body BTW? That's your cue.

There is no other explanation for her to have been wide awake AND wanting to fuck, suck all night long.

Whatever your view on drugs, if you can find a meth girl who is not to messed up by the habit, you are going to get stellar sex. This is what the authorities try to play down about ice.

Usually ice queens are of the freelance variety, it tends to just work that way.

Of course, as with many FL and substance users everywhere (I do have a penchant for dangerous wacky working women) your risk of infections, LEO busts, thefts, and general bother does go up, but if you can stay relatively sober, and get them at the right time, its a memorable experience.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1816729]I have lived in Chiang Mai for almost 20 years and speak reasonable Thai. My old haunts of where there were girls on offer in abundance have long gone. Over the years I have made many friends and acquaintances in Chiang Mai, both Thais and Farangs, and if there were anything I would find out about it, there are no hidden girl pulling establishments reserved for a privileged few in the know.

As regards chatting up local girls, that's called pulling the birds and is the same everywhere and has nothing to do with the commercial sex scene. No different to joining online dating sites and trying your luck there.

The Chiang Mai girly bars are on their way out and then there is the mechanical soapies, that's about it. Stories of single conquests and how guys met a nympho at a market somewhere are irrelevant to these forums.[/QUOTE]I too have been a BKK monger for many years, now relocated to CM in my 'retired' years.

I have not had much experience here as I have a live in GF, but when she goes to visit family, I have a few days off now and then, this is one of those times.

Last Christmas, I went to the LK Rd. At the No1 bar down the soi for some Belgian craft beer, and picked up a 48 hour freebie from a 30 plus bar girl who worked at Downunder Pub, she showed up with some rich old show off who had barfined them all for a pub crawl!?

A few other 2014 Christmas nights I picked up a few forgettable shags at other forgettable bars.

The point of this is just to agree with Arthur tick on the CM scene, however, I would also imagine there are good GFE to be found for local mongers with patience and persistence, or at very least a good regular, for the local expats. That's what I need right now, a good regular in CM!

[QUOTE=Aponymous;1789328]Seeing a few freelancers on Mun Mueang Rd (the northbound lane just inside Tha Phae Gate), between the Loi Kroh turnaround and the Chiang Moi turnaround. Just 3 or 4, but it's been early when I've spotted them, between 18.00 - 19.00, couple nights a week.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, I live here, but now have few opportunities to monger, and I love freelancers. I do tend to take a view that CM is quiet, but it is what it is, and I think living in Pattaya or on Sukhuvit would be my idea of hell! I don't need or want it in my face 24/7 and I'm older anyway.

So on the debate of CM is rubbish or not, lets just say times change, and its still better than being in say, Sydney or Leeds, and it is what you make it, so thanks for this FL info, I will be cruising there later tonight! About to leave the house soon.

Local mongers are welcome to PM me for a meetup and beer. Visitors, I am also OK to meet if I have time, but understand, I'm not a de-facto tour guide or free taxi service.

Coming from the gecko going south on Kampang din Road I saw a new to me venture, all widows obfuscated by blue adhesive plastic, only the name paradise on the outside. Does anybody have any intelligence on that?

Thanks for all the great reports here.

Have been in Chiang Mai for a few days. Here for just over 2 more weeks.

On previous visits here I have been most places on Loy Khro and visited a number of soapy and normal massages.

This time I plan to visit some more Thai oriented places and will post my findings.

However just once in about 20 encounters on previous visits I have had the pleasure of a BBBJ CIM. I'm not sure if it will be on the menu in the erotic massage places I plan to visit. If anyone could inform me of a good location where BBBJ CIM is a possibility I would be very grateful.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1816735]I can say with some certainty this girl had probably hit the meth pipe before your date.

Do you recall a slight chemical odor on her breath or body BTW? That's your cue.

There is no other explanation for her to have been wide awake AND wanting to fuck, suck all night long.

Whatever your view on drugs, if you can find a meth girl who is not to messed up by the habit, you are going to get stellar sex. This is what the authorities try to play down about ice.

Usually ice queens are of the freelance variety, it tends to just work that way.

Of course, as with many FL and substance users everywhere (I do have a penchant for dangerous wacky working women) your risk of infections, LEO busts, thefts, and general bother does go up, but if you can stay relatively sober, and get them at the right time, its a memorable experience.[/QUOTE]Since his post is already 4 months old, he might not recall exactly any chemical odor on his girl. But future mongers and "the authorities" will be sure to note it if they do, you bet.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1816729]I have lived in Chiang Mai for almost 20 years and speak reasonable Thai. My old haunts of where there were girls on offer in abundance have long gone. Over the years I have made many friends and acquaintances in Chiang Mai, both Thais and Farangs, and if there were anything I would find out about it, there are no hidden girl pulling establishments reserved for a privileged few in the know.

As regards chatting up local girls, that's called pulling the birds and is the same everywhere and has nothing to do with the commercial sex scene. No different to joining online dating sites and trying your luck there.

The Chiang Mai girly bars are on their way out and then there is the mechanical soapies, that's about it. Stories of single conquests and how guys met a nympho at a market somewhere are irrelevant to these forums.[/QUOTE]Sure, bud. You're right. Now I'll just keep getting my rocks off and stay a Happy Johnny, and let other people worry about being the "privileged few."

OK so I had to come to Chiang Mai for 3 days. Not for mongering but I just have to do it on principle. I took a taxi to Loi Kron Rd. I got there around 5 pm. It was dead. No customers. I feel uncomfortable pointing the camera at girls working so I don't do that. They have families and I would not want it done to me. Anyway, Very slim pickings. From what I understand it seems the girls working in the bars and not from Chiang Mai but from other parts like Bangkok. So after checking out the slim pickings I really wanted a massage first. There are many massage shops on this street. I saw one Thai girl that was super cute. She looked 19 to me. I grabbed her and said lets go. We get up to the room she was flirting with me and wanted to kiss. I asked her for a BBBJ and she says she does not do that there. I asked for FS and she says she does not do that there either. Does that mean she does it outside her work I am not sure. I was staying too far away and not waiting all night for her to finish work to find out. But, I did kiss her and she kissed my dick. I think she did like me because she never ask for any money or any tip. But, I never believe anything in Thailand. I am going to go back to morrow and see if I can get her to blow me. So I leave blue balled and start asking the girls at the bars if they have short time room. A few do. I then go to a place called the Pussy Cat Bar. I picked a girl that looked really hot in her red Christmas outfit. She looks like she has a see cup. I ask about costs. The room and bar fine is 700 baut and for the girl it is 2000. I had another girl at a different place also wanting 2000 baut. So I decided to go with it because I had not choice and she looked like she had an amazing body. She was acting cold in the bar abut warmed up very fast in the room. She was really nice. After she undressed her big breasts were gone. She used so kind of magic bra. She obviously had kids because her stomach was all messed up. WTF! Anyway, she did have a good ass so when I run into this kind of problem I just turn them around for doggy style. She was tight and into it. She never rushed me and I left happy. Chiang Mai is huge I am sure there are hidden places somewhere. I just don't know where they are. Anyway, snapped some pics around 5 pm below. Not much to look see here.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1818029]......... and she says she does not do that there. I asked for FS and she says she does not do that there either. Does that mean she does it outside her work I am not sure.........[/QUOTE]The cops there know everything. The girls in the parlors are not allowed to fuck there, exceptions apply like the place with the bamboo benches on kampangdin. Much higher amounts of tea money had to be paid. They can give HJ, many and BJ (very few). You arrange to meet them after work at your place. The closest st place would be traveler inn on Loi kro. There are many more.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1818029]

....Chiang Mai is huge I am sure there are hidden places somewhere. I just don't know where they are....

[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/cat-chiang-mai-male-entertainment-19[/URL]

Most Places - including Price and Services...

[QUOTE=Beno69;1818313][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/cat-chiang-mai-male-entertainment-19[/URL]

Most Places - including Price and Services...[/QUOTE]Wow, good stuff thanks Beno69.

I went back to that street the second day. Stopped to get an oil massage at Yin Yang massage. Sounded like people where having fun. My girl was not that hot but she looked average. Just wanted to see what would happen. The oil massage was basically her rubbing oil on me. Felt like she gobbed on like 5 bottles. I was disgusted and felt slimly. When the turn over happened she avoided directly touching my groin. 10 minutes till the end she asked if I wanted a HJ. I told her how about mouth? She said no. I said how about FS. She said no again and put her hands in handcuff sign. I guess they are strict here. She finished the massage if you can call it that. I tipped 40 baut and she was happy and I left. After leaving, I did see one hot girl at a bar but she was with a customer at a bar. I am leaving tomorrow to Bangkok then Vietnam.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1818441]Wow, good stuff thanks Beno69.

I went back to that street the second day. Stopped to get an oil massage at Yin Yang massage. Sounded like people where having fun. My girl was not that hot but she looked average. Just wanted to see what would happen. The oil massage was basically her rubbing oil on me. Felt like she gobbed on like 5 bottles. I was disgusted and felt slimly. When the turn over happened she avoided directly touching my groin. 10 minutes till the end she asked if I wanted a HJ. I told her how about mouth? She said no. I said how about FS. She said no again and put her hands in handcuff sign. I guess they are strict here. She finished the massage if you can call it that. I tipped 40 baut and she was happy and I left. After leaving, I did see one hot girl at a bar but she was with a customer at a bar. I am leaving tomorrow to Bangkok then Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Over the last few years it's all changed here in Chiang Mai.

I avoid the Loi Kroh massage parlors like the plague. They are asking up to 1000 baht excluding the so-called massage for a no thrills basic get it over with a. S. a. P HJ. The girls can earn more that way then going off with a customer for full sex, or if FS is on the menu they are demanding silly money for it. One of my mates was quoted 3000 baht for short time. If a customer is quoted over and above a reasonable price for a HJ and the guy declines the offer the girls soon lose interest in the massage. This happened to me once and I ended up counting the minutes until I was out of there. Got bored with the mechanical soapies long ago, no surprises, strictly routine, expensive and boring.

The Thai mentality always amazes me. Their logic is that if business is down, to charge more to make up for the lack of customers instead of being reasonable that may tempt customers to go back there.

A friend visited the Jo Jo massage within the last 3 months and told me that FS was on offer at the Jo Jo massage in the Loi Kroh Road.
The girls, although he said were far off from being stunners, are youngish, slutty and shagable if not too fussy and don't mind a bit of rough.
What to expect: Firstly don't expect the GFE, it's fast and furious. The girl my friend had chosen took off her shorts and underwear but the rest of her clothes remained on. She insisted on being on top humping away on his cock like a cowboy riding a bucking bronco, no kissing, didn't like her tits being touched.
The cubicles are small with only room for a small mattress on the floor and each cubicle is separated by curtains only, so if on the job keep the noise down because you may only be a few inches away from a guy on the other side of the curtain.
First the girl tried it on for 3000 baht not including the so-called massage and he managed to haggle her down to 2000 baht including the 300 baht oil massage. Being desperate for a shag he went for it. Whole deal including massage was over in 35 minutes.
Directions: Going into the Loi Kroh Road from the moat, travel up to the crossroad, Khampangdin Road. Go over the crossroad and the Jo Jo massage is about 20 metres on the left. Can't miss it, it has a big white sign with huge blue letters saying Jo Jo massage over the shop.

Khampangdin Road. Turn left into the Khampangdin Road from the Loi Kroh Road, there are a handful of massage parlors going up that road on the left hand side and one on the right near the end of the road heading towards the Tapae Road.
Don't bother with the massage parlors on the left at the beginning of the road or the one on the right. One is a ladyboy and the others HJs only. Head for the massage parlors at the centre on the left. These parlors have mostly middle aged women dressed and made up trying to look 25 in the shade, but on occasions there are a couple of more younger girls on duty. I know FS is sometimes on offer at these parlors, but it is hit and miss depending on the girl. The younger girls don't speak English but the lady owners do. Try discretely asking the lady owners who is up for boom, boom. I also heard that they don't push for money and what is paid is left up to the discretion of the customers, usually from 1000 to 1500 baht for FS not including the massage. Again only tiny curtained cubicles and don't expect the GFE.

Noodle bar: From the Loi Kroh Road turn left into the Khampangdin Road. Near the beginning of the road on the left there is a small open-air noodle bar with tables and chairs. After 8. 00 pm there are sometimes freelancer girls sitting at the tables. The problem is that due to fears of the police the girls don't make it obvious they are up for grabs; they won't give a wink or wave at you. If you see some slutty looking girls discretely approach them and ask if they're up for it. Very few speak English; so knowing some basic Thai is an advantage. 4 years ago a mate claimed he pulled two 18 year old student girls from there, took the pair of them back to his hotel room and had the time of his life for 500 baht each girl. But that was 4 years ago, or maybe he just got lucky.

Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.

Please note: I am only giving recommendations and cannot guarantee that it will be the same experience for everybody, so don't blame me if disappointed. This is Chiang Mai where situations can change overnight.

A few months ago decided to stay in the town overnight for a bit of female refreshment. I stayed in a 200 baht a night room at the Chiang Mai Guest house around the side of MacDonald's by the moat.

At 9. 00 pm I ventured into the Loi Kroh Road. Had a beer at a couple of bars, but to be honest there was nothing there I fancied, plus having a chronic acid reflux problem I'm not able to tolerate too much alcohol. Began walking back to my guest house trying to avoid all the stinking, freaky feral transvestites when a few metres just before MacDonald's on the right I saw a plump girl about late 20's dressed smartly, almost like an office executive not sluttish standing alone in a dark closed shop doorway trying to look as inconspicuous as possible. I stood in front of her but she did not even look at me. Then I thought those who dares wins, I've got fuck all to lose and approached her. I asked, would she like to go with me? To my surprise she spoke very good English not the bargirl kind and said yes. I asked how much? She replied 1000 baht for an hour. I said done, lets go.

It was literally only 3 minutes walk to my room, very convenient. When we arrived in the room, she immediately striped off and made straight for the shower and left the door open. Having not had my leg over for quite some time and having full view of her big ass with the shower water streaming down her crack in front of my face I couldn't wait, striped off and dived into the shower with her. I have a fetish for not hideously fat women but plump girls, nice, warm, soft and plenty of meat to grab hold of. Right away she was into it, hand on my cock, tits press hard into my body and tongue straight into my mouth, I was desperately trying not to cum there and then. To my amazement she suddenly asked, would you like a GS?
Never had a Thai girl offer that before and especially without the mention of more money. So I agreed and it was lovely. Call me a pervert if you like. Then we showered again and onto the bed. Snogging so much I could hardly breath, still trying to hold in my orgasm, couldn't wait a second longer, I took out a condom from my bag and was just about to open it when she said; no need for a condom just put some baby oil on my dick and put it in and you can eat my pussy if you like. When this happens I see red flags waving, it's not a good sign and although it took tremendous will power not to say bugger it let's take a chance, common sense got the better of me. I did not want to return home the following morning worrying if I got something or not for the following 6 months, plus I'm married and have to be responsible.

I didn't mention anything to her and to be safe I put on 2 condoms and oh boy was she hot. Never have I had a Thai girl on the commercial sex scene so very uninhibited. Her only stipulation was not up the ass, but besides that, it was anything goes. But wearing 2 condoms I couldn't finish, tore the things out and she gave me a BBBJ, came in her mouth and she swallowed every mouth full. She gave me the full hour to the second and I could have had more time if I wanted. I tried to ask her about herself, but she was vague, said she prefers to work independent instead of a bar. I had a suspicion that because her English was so good, she may not have been Thai but a foreigner on the game working illegally in Thailand, although definitely south east Asian.

I have been told that she still hangs about that area at night, roundabout 9. 00 pm onwards. If you see her you'll know her, she's quite unique and no mistaking her for a ladyboy, 100% female and looks it. Smartly dressed, classy make up and medium length hair. Her name may have been Dee, but sorry can't remember exactly. Cannot guarantee she is there every night or she might be with another customer when you are in the area. . Keep the eyes peeled if in the area at the right time.

Do keep in mind to be careful when taking these girls, they are totally uninhibited and know how to make guys think with their dicks and not with their heads. There are risks if you can't control your urges.

Good old Arthur Tick never gives tall stories and bullshit, I will back up all my recommendations with details and locations and whatever new details I discover, I'll pass onto you.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1818623]A few months ago decided to stay in the town overnight for a bit of female refreshment. I stayed in a 200 baht a night room at the Chiang Mai Guest house around the side of MacDonald's by the moat.

(. . .)
[/QUOTE]Good report Arthur. Indeed if we keep our eyes peeled, we'll find something nice everywhere.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1818623]To my amazement she suddenly asked, would you like a GS?[/QUOTE]

What's a "GS"? It is not in the list of abbreviations.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1818623]I didn't mention anything to her and to be safe I put on 2 condoms and oh boy was she hot.[/QUOTE]Actually wearing two condoms increases the risk that both the condoms will tear. You are safer wearing only one condom.

A few posts down there is a link for cm locator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived on my rented motorbike at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.

A few posts down there is a link for Cmlocator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1818648]
What's a "GS"? It is not in the list of abbreviations.[/QUOTE] Lluvia dorada, AKA G_ld_n Sh_w_r. (fripping censor). The provider "spends a penny" (fripping censor again) on the recipient, generally in the face and / or mouth.

[QUOTE=PeterPurvis;1820674]A few posts down there is a link for Cmlocator. Thanks Beno69. It has some great info with directions and services.

I arrived at paradise hotel at about 3. 30 pm. Made way up to 2nd floor room 211. There was a Thai guy waiting for his pick to take him to room. Waited a few seconds and a girl came out. Asked if I speak Thai. I said no, so in broken English she told me there were 2 girls available. Herself and another called Gik who immediately came through.

I chose Gik as her breasts appeared larger. Paid 1400 baht and after a few minutes Gik came out and escorted me to one of the rooms.

We undressed. Those breast disappeared with the padded bra then into the shower where she washed me down. Then onto the bed face down at first. I had always fancied a nuru massage and the feel of a cute naked lady sliding all over me didn't disappoint.

She then asked me to turn over and the sliding continued. Then whilst sliding her pussy up and down my leg she started to massage my cock and balls. After bringing me to attention she stopped using her hands, slid up and used her pussy to make me cum.

She cleaned up and massaged me for a further 5 min before we took another shower to clean the gel off.

I tipped her 200 baht and left. I will be back.

Although I wasn't offered any more services (What I had was perfect for me) I did notice that in her box of gels and lotions there were condoms so there could be the potential if required.

In summary this is a great place and I will be back. Although there are other places that I have to try I'm worried that I have been to the best one first. We will see.[/QUOTE]Interested but a bit confused by your post.

You arrived at the Paradise hotel and after a short while a girl came out and said there are 2 girls available. How did that come about? Did you order them, is the hotel a brothel or what?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1821200]Interested but a bit confused by your post.

You arrived at the Paradise hotel and after a short while a girl came out and said there are 2 girls available. How did that come about? Did you order them, is the hotel a brothel or what?[/QUOTE]No it's not a 'brothel'. It's a happy ending massage place in the hotel. Room 211.

Check out.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-absolute-paradise-spa-chiang-mai-p89[/URL]

Well worth a visit.

This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.

1) Koi Kroh Rd Massages. I went 2 times at 2 different places and will never go again. Both times they offered HJ for 1000 and BJ for 2000. Both times they would not offer FS. Got HJ once and BJ the other time. Both were not good. Final conclusion: over priced and not worth it at all. I would avoid. (That being said, both times the massage was actually pretty good and it's what I enjoyed the most but I won't go back for the massage as I know they will hassle me for a overpriced HJ.).

2) CelebX. Went here durning the day, I think it was around 3 pm. The selection was OK. The girl I choose was very good looking and pretty young, I think she told me her age was 20 or 21. Her English was almost non existent, but I communicated a little with the google translate app. The experience probably the worst soapy or shower massage experience yet. I could tell she really did not like her job (can't really blame her) She was extremely cold and a dead fish. Shower only lasted 5 minutes. When I left I told myself I would not return. But I have heard of others having a good experience here so I might try it again before I leave to see if I just had bad luck. I think I paid 1600 but there were other good looking women in the 1400 side.

3) Sayuri Massage. Went there around 2 pm. When I asked the price here they quoted me I think 1800,2000, and 2500 or something. I then asked if that was farang price or Thai price. They guy nodded and said it was farang price. He then asked if I lived here and I said yes I lived here (well I have been living here for 2 weeks so I guess that counts). The prices dropped in half. I think I ended up paying 1200 baht. Pretty small selection but I picked a girl that I thought was pretty attractive. The experience was pretty standard but I really enjoyed my time. The girl was super friendly and very loving. Got BBBJ and whatever positions I wanted. It was a very nice time and I would repeat. I have read a couple times that it gets very crowded here. When I was there, there might have been another 5-6 men sitting and having a drink and perhaps about 10-12 ladies.

4) Koi Kroh Rd Bars. I went to a bar one night and bar fined a nice girl. She was really sweet and a total GFE. The barfine was 500 and she asked for 1500 for LT, but I gave her 2000 because I really enjoyed my time with her. Back at my room her body was a lot different than what I expected. I guess having a baby took it's toll a little, but she was still very sweet and great in bed. She stayed until the morning when I gave her a ride back home. I'm definitely going to go back to the bars and bar fine again since I had such a great time. Unfortunately this girl told me she found someone to support her and will be traveling back with her to her home town in Issan this week and couldn't see me LT anymore, she did offer ST though. But I declined as I didn't want her to screw up her sponsorship deal.

5) Spot light Go Go. There were actually several pretty attractive ladies here. The women on stage don't really dance much, just short of move around and they are not topless. Just like the Go gos in BKK. I bar fined one woman here LT. She asked for 3000 for LT and I think the barfine was 500. Outside of the bar she was much less attractive than inside the go go. But I guess that is why they keep the lights so low. But again she was really sweet and nice woman. Pretty good GFE. Sex was very standard, 2 times and night and once in the morning. The morning she finished with BBBJ CIM. The funny thing is the entire night she was texting her Doctor boyfriend from the UK telling him about how much she missed him and sending him sexy pictures of herself. She told me he sponsors her and takes really good care of her sending her money every month. I was actually very happy for her and it didn't bother me one bit but I wouldn't want to be the other guy that's for sure.

Ping Payom Massage Parlor. I walked in here the other day. The women there were just OK. The prices were higher than other places. Most of the girls were at the highest tier which was 2500 for one hour. I left without taking anyone. Didn't really feel like it and the prices are higher than other places. I might go back just to try it but I'm not sure.

Street FL. I only saw a few sitting on benches. Non of them looked very good. I have gone several nights to find the mysterious FL that Author Tick mentioned in his report. I couldn't find her at all. I have looked around the Thae phae gate near the McDonalds and she is no where to be seen. Author Tick, if you have any better intel of where she is or her line ID it would be greatly appreciated.

Where I still plan on exploring.

I will probably go to the bars again to barfine a lady LT. I plan on repeating a soapy or two and definitely want to go to Foxy Lady Go Go as I have heard it is pretty good and the girls actually dance well.

Until next report.

[QUOTE=BigMark0;1822235]This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.

Until next report.[/QUOTE]Great report! Signs of life in Chiang Mai. I am definitely intrigued. I look forward to your next report.

PS: Have you thought about giving Wechat or Thai Friendly a try? There may be some sexy young college students out there lookign for a sponsor or to make a little extra cash. A Thai girl of mine from Pattaya complains about her sister, whom she is putting through uni in CM, neglecting her studies and spending too much time online looking for guys.

[QUOTE=BigMark0;1822235]4) Koi Kroh Rd Bars. I went to a bar one night and bar fined a nice girl. She was really sweet and a total GFE. The barfine was 500 and she asked for 1500 for LT, but I gave her 2000 because I really enjoyed my time with her. [/QUOTE]That should be Loi Kroh. Pronounced like Loi Cro(p) without the letter-P. Difficult for Farangs.

Nearby road Tha Pae is also difficult to pronounce but close to "Tar Pair" meaning floating raft jetty or pier.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1824881]Great report! Signs of life in Chiang Mai. I am definitely intrigued. I look forward to your next report.

PS: Have you thought about giving Wechat or Thai Friendly a try? There may be some sexy young college students out there lookign for a sponsor or to make a little extra cash. A Thai girl of mine from Pattaya complains about her sister, whom she is putting through uni in CM, neglecting her studies and spending too much time online looking for guys.[/QUOTE]I met a reliable P4P girl through Thaifriendly, and I keep the contact going and I see her every once in a while. I meet and date normal girls through there, too, so it's not like all girls there are looking specifically for customers--probably just a few.

I also see a girl who works at Sayuri, outside of Sayuri, so that's another possibility. When I met her at the soapy, I just asked her point-blank if she'd want to meet outside of work. She was guarded at first, but I let her know I was serious and discreet, and she gave me her number. She's a lot more fiery in a different element, though it usually takes a night around town to get her worked up.

OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

These last 2 weeks I haven't tried as many places so this report will have less intel.

Foxy Lady.

The only new place I tried was Foxy lady. I had high expectations for this place as I had read before that they had really beautiful women and they actually danced really well. What I found was a little different. It was pretty much the same as all other gogo places. The dancing and women there were no different than anywhere else. When I first got there I sat down and immediately a woman started talking to me who I later found out was 42 years old. Now she looked OK for 42 and if I was in my 60's or 70's maybe I would go for her but this was the first time I had seen a go go girl in her 40's. Her body was OK but her face looked her age. I was polite to her but I didn't buy her a drink. I did give here 100 baht tip just so I didn't feel so bad ignoring her. I soon saw a girl dancing who I thought was very attractive and she waved me over so it was a good excuse to move. I ended up bar fining this girl. 700 Baht for bar fine and 2000 for girl. The only thing about Foxy is you pay everything before you leave (minus whatever tip you want to give the girl at the end). So you pay the bar 2700 plus drinks before you leave. I was a little worried about this but it ended up being fine (at least for me). The girl stayed all night and was actually a really fun girl to hang out with. The sex wasn't really that spectacular but she had a really good body and was just a fun person to hang out with. The next morning she invited me to go with her and her friends to a temple and lunch. So it was me and 4 women from Foxy lady. It was really fun to hang out with the girls, get to know them and see them in their normal life. I ended up bar fining this girl from Foxy 3 or 4 more times while I was here and we spent another 3 or 4 days doing stuff around chiang mai during the day. I was thinking that if I met this girl somewhere else and she wasn't a go go girl, I would probably want to date her for real. But we will probably stay friends for a while, which is nice too.

Side note: I found out both spot light and foxy were started and owned by farangs which I though was surprising. Also there is another go go named nice lady which I never went to.

Would I recommend Foxy Lady? It's nothing special in my opinion from other go go bars and ended up being much more expensive than saurya, celeb or bar fining a girl from a bar.

Thai friendly.

The entire time I've been here in CM I have been using Thai friendly. I'll write about my experience with it since others have mentioned it. First off there are significantly less women on there that in BKK which I guess would be obvious. You see a lot of the same faces on there everyday. I only found 1 women on there which I know for sure was a FL. Maybe there were others but I didn't really set my profile as a blatant pitch for them. I was actually looking to meet normal girls and date. I am a decent looking guy in my 30's. Most women I messaged on there would message me back and most would chat on line with me. But really, trying to get these women to actually meet in real life was a pain in the butt. I really don't know if it is worth all the chatting. It was a lot of work and many of the girls are flaky. Plus many of them work so much, like 7 days a week! I must have chatted with about 70 women but I did end up going on several dates. The first girl I met I actually went to dinner and a movie with and she ended up coming back to my place and staying the night. We had sex and it was OK, sort of like sleeping with a girl when I was in high school, very shy. The only problem was this girl started showing up at my place unannounced. It started to freak me out. She would just send a message saying "I'm Here" and I was like WTF, you better leave and tell me ahead of time if you are coming. I think she even came to my room late at night one night and heard me with someone else. She is a really nice girl though. All the other dates I went on either I wasn't attracted to the girl or she wouldn't come home with me.

I just want to note: Thai girls are experts at taking selfies and using different apps to improve their appearance in pictures. Many of the girls I met looked significantly better in their pictures than in real life. Just FYI.

I found a lot of women on TF (actually in Thailand in general) are single mothers looking for long term men to take care of them. They were more eager to chat and meet than the young beautiful women without kids. (which I guess would be obvious).

Last TF meet up. OK so this is my last day in CM and this just happened about 2 hours ago. I had been chatting with this girl on TF for about the entire month I've been here and either she was busy or I was busy. Anyways, we were chatting this afternoon and she asked if I wanted to meet. I said sure, and she said to come to her room. I asked what she was doing and she said she was watching porn. (prior to this, non of our chatting was sexual at all, just casual stuff about her job and what we were both doing at the time. She is a travel translator and speaks fluent English and mandarin.) When I get there, she wasn't bad looking at all and a really nice girl, we ended up having sex. Her BBBJ was great BTW, which I hadn't had in a while. Until today I had never done this before, just showing up to someones room and having sex. She never asked for money either. She said she just stopped her anti depression medication and it made her super horny. I though, "oh great maybe she is a little crazy" (I took the used condom with me because it crossed my mind I didn't want to leave my sperm with her. You never know!) She ended up having meeting for work shortly after we were done and we only spent less than 1 hour together. When we were walking out the door she asked "oh, what's your name by the way" haha I felt like a used piece of meat. But I would probably do it again, if just for the great BBBJ.

Bar Girls insights.

Not all bar girls will Bar fine:

I never took another bar girl out beside the one from my last report but I did get to know one girl pretty well just drinking. She told me she doesn't bar fine and just works at the bar. I believed her as I would always see her multiple nights working. Apparently there are many girls at the bars that will not bar fine and are only there to drink. So maybe if you are looking to barfine you should ask before buying drinks if it is a possibility instead of wasting your time and money.

Very few stunner:

Only about 10-15% of the girls at the bars were of interest to me. There are not a lot of girls available to be honest and there are some bars that only have 1-3 girls working!

Bar girls are like eagles and elephants:

Seriously I would walk by trying not to be seen by some bar girl and somehow every time she would turn her head and spot me even if I was in the dark. They have a sixth sense for spotting every single guy that walks by. You can't hide. They all remember you too. You would think since they see so many people walk by they would forget you, No! They remember. The massage girls too!

Thoughts on Chiang Mai.

Chiang mai is OK for mongering with many options but definitely not BKK though. (I have not been to Pattaya yet.). I miss BJ bars for sure. If CM had them I wouldn't leave.

Chiang mai is a small town. I ran into the same people multiple times, either at the mall or at the park. It is harder to blend in here and the longer you stay the more you will run into the same person. I had a bar girl spot me in the park and another one see me walking around the street. I think if you were to stay here for a long time it would be better just to find a girl friend.

Did you know Thailand is the #1 country for infidelity, both men and women? Look it up.

OK that's it for now! I'll be in BKK tomorrow.

P.S. That TF girl I just met 2 hours ago just sent me a message that she is in her bed again waiting for me.

[QUOTE=BigMark0;1826338]OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

These last 2 weeks I haven't tried as many places so this report will have less intel.

Foxy Lady.

The only new place I tried was Foxy lady. I had high expectations for this place as I had read before that they had really beautiful women and they actually danced really well. What I found was a little different. It was pretty much the same as all other gogo places. The dancing and women there were no different than anywhere else. When I first got there I sat down and immediately a woman started talking to me who I later found out was 42 years old. Now she looked OK for 42 and if I was in my 60's or 70's maybe I would go for her but this was the first time I had seen a go go girl in her 40's. Her body was OK but her face looked her age. I was polite to her but I didn't buy her a drink. I did give here 100 baht tip just so I didn't feel so bad ignoring her. I soon saw a girl dancing who I thought was very attractive and she waved me over so it was a good excuse to move. I ended up bar fining this girl. 700 Baht for bar fine and 2000 for girl. The only thing about Foxy is you pay everything before you leave (minus whatever tip you want to give the girl at the end). So you pay the bar 2700 plus drinks before you leave. I was a little worried about this but it ended up being fine (at least for me). The girl stayed all night and was actually a really fun girl to hang out with. The sex wasn't really that spectacular but she had a really good body and was just a fun person to hang out with. The next morning she invited me to go with her and her friends to a temple and lunch. So it was me and 4 women from Foxy lady. It was really fun to hang out with the girls, get to know them and see them in their normal life. I ended up bar fining this girl from Foxy 3 or 4 more times while I was here and we spent another 3 or 4 days doing stuff around chiang mai during the day. I was thinking that if I met this girl somewhere else and she wasn't a go go girl, I would probably want to date her for real. But we will probably stay friends for a while, which is nice too.

Side note: I found out both spot light and foxy were started and owned by farangs which I though was surprising. Also there is another go go named nice lady which I never went to.

Would I recommend Foxy Lady? It's nothing special in my opinion from other go go bars and ended up being much more expensive than saurya, celeb or bar fining a girl from a bar.

Thai friendly.

The entire time I've been here in CM I have been using Thai friendly. I'll write about my experience with it since others have mentioned it. First off there are significantly less women on there that in BKK which I guess would be obvious. You see a lot of the same faces on there everyday. I only found 1 women on there which I know for sure was a FL. Maybe there were others but I didn't really set my profile as a blatant pitch for them. I was actually looking to meet normal girls and date. I am a decent looking guy in my 30's. Most women I messaged on there would message me back and most would chat on line with me. But really, trying to get these women to actually meet in real life was a pain in the butt. I really don't know if it is worth all the chatting. It was a lot of work and many of the girls are flaky. Plus many of them work so much, like 7 days a week! I must have chatted with about 70 women but I did end up going on several dates. The first girl I met I actually went to dinner and a movie with and she ended up coming back to my place and staying the night. We had sex and it was OK, sort of like sleeping with a girl when I was in high school, very shy. The only problem was this girl started showing up at my place unannounced. It started to freak me out. She would just send a message saying "I'm Here" and I was like WTF, you better leave and tell me ahead of time if you are coming. I think she even came to my room late at night one night and heard me with someone else. She is a really nice girl though. All the other dates I went on either I wasn't attracted to the girl or she wouldn't come home with me.

I just want to note: Thai girls are experts at taking selfies and using different apps to improve their appearance in pictures. Many of the girls I met looked significantly better in their pictures than in real life. Just FYI.

I found a lot of women on TF (actually in Thailand in general) are single mothers looking for long term men to take care of them. They were more eager to chat and meet than the young beautiful women without kids. (which I guess would be obvious).

Last TF meet up. OK so this is my last day in CM and this just happened about 2 hours ago. I had been chatting with this girl on TF for about the entire month I've been here and either she was busy or I was busy. Anyways, we were chatting this afternoon and she asked if I wanted to meet. I said sure, and she said to come to her room. I asked what she was doing and she said she was watching porn. (prior to this, non of our chatting was sexual at all, just casual stuff about her job and what we were both doing at the time. She is a travel translator and speaks fluent English and mandarin.) When I get there, she wasn't bad looking at all and a really nice girl, we ended up having sex. Her BBBJ was great BTW, which I hadn't had in a while. Until today I had never done this before, just showing up to someones room and having sex. She never asked for money either. She said she just stopped her anti depression medication and it made her super horny. I though, "oh great maybe she is a little crazy" (I took the used condom with me because it crossed my mind I didn't want to leave my sperm with her. You never know!) She ended up having meeting for work shortly after we were done and we only spent less than 1 hour together. When we were walking out the door she asked "oh, what's your name by the way" haha I felt like a used piece of meat. But I would probably do it again, if just for the great BBBJ.

Bar Girls insights.

Not all bar girls will Bar fine:

I never took another bar girl out beside the one from my last report but I did get to know one girl pretty well just drinking. She told me she doesn't bar fine and just works at the bar. I believed her as I would always see her multiple nights working. Apparently there are many girls at the bars that will not bar fine and are only there to drink. So maybe if you are looking to barfine you should ask before buying drinks if it is a possibility instead of wasting your time and money.

Very few stunner:

Only about 10-15% of the girls at the bars were of interest to me. There are not a lot of girls available to be honest and there are some bars that only have 1-3 girls working!

Bar girls are like eagles and elephants:

Seriously I would walk by trying not to be seen by some bar girl and somehow every time she would turn her head and spot me even if I was in the dark. They have a sixth sense for spotting every single guy that walks by. You can't hide. They all remember you too. You would think since they see so many people walk by they would forget you, No! They remember. The massage girls too!

Thoughts on Chiang Mai.

Chiang mai is OK for mongering with many options but definitely not BKK though. (I have not been to Pattaya yet.). I miss BJ bars for sure. If CM had them I wouldn't leave.

Chiang mai is a small town. I ran into the same people multiple times, either at the mall or at the park. It is harder to blend in here and the longer you stay the more you will run into the same person. I had a bar girl spot me in the park and another one see me walking around the street. I think if you were to stay here for a long time it would be better just to find a girl friend.

Did you know Thailand is the #1 country for infidelity, both men and women? Look it up.

OK that's it for now! I'll be in BKK tomorrow.

P.S. That TF girl I just met 2 hours ago just sent me a message that she is in her bed again waiting for me.[/QUOTE]Great report! Thanks for the info on CM. Makes me think about giving it a try for a week or so next trip.

[QUOTE=BigMark0;1822235]This is my first report ever so bare with me. I have been in Chiang Mai now for 2 weeks and I will stay for another 2 weeks. Let's just call this the half way report. I am working here so not everyday I venture out but I have explored some options.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigMark0;1826338]OK, I am just wrapping up my last day in Chiang Mai, tomorrow I fly to BKK.

[/QUOTE]Fantastic start Mark. Well written and very informative for someone travelling to CM. I have been there a couple of times and I come away with similar feelings. The girls are not that pretty but they will give you a great time and make you feel truly special. In all my visits I have also ended up barfining the same girl for more than one night in a row. Partly because there are limited options and partly because the girl I picked (Namfon) was so nice.

I think you just picked the wrong chick at CelebX. That place offers some good options. Sayuri pricing is a stroke of genius. We all know about the differential pricing and its amazing you got the local prices.

I agree on 2000 THB for a BJ is excessive, specially when the skills and questionable. 1000 THB for a HJ is atrocious.

BTW if I am not mistaken, Foxy Lady & Spot Light are "owned" by a Thai lady named Malee, in her late 40's / early 50's but the investment is by a farang who is sort of her boyfriend / husband. Never got that story right. I believe she runs a couple of bars in Pattaya as well on Soi 7.

All in all this report gives me reason to believe there is still plenty of action in CM and I must make a trip soon.

I just walked in the large bar complex on Loh Kroh road in Chiang Mai. Plenty of bars to get a drink but it was just empty. No bar lady to be seen in miles and this was high season. I imagine if the place was full some good times can be had.

[URL]https://youtu.be/cfoaCfavz7k[/URL]

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1829525]
Great report! Thanks for the info on CM..... [/QUOTE]Quote the howl text for 1 Phrase. ?

[QUOTE=Beno69;1834830]Quote the howl text for 1 Phrase. ?[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I guess you mean the "whole" text. LOL.

The CM mongering scene comes across as extremely limited and a bit depressing. I go to ChiangMai sometimes but certainly not with mongering as the main intent. I guess there are those who must experience everything. Its now so many years since I visited the CM Soapies. CM bars were pretty hopeless in the distant past, but every city has some sort of mongering.

Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.

I have been here and Pai for several weeks and for me it is a desert. I am an older guy, which does not work in my favor here. I notice a few younger farangs going into Warm Up Club on Nimman Road near the Maya Mall and the university. Some game is also required.

I went to the main bar street a few times (Loi Krop) but found it dreadful and a far cry from the nightlife of BKK. Also, the bars and clubs really do shutdown at midnight though WarmUp seems to stay open a bit later. This means adjusting your schedule. It's not like BKK where you don't even leave your residence until 11. You got to get out and about earlier.

Hope you better than me.

[QUOTE=HansAPils;1835053]Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HansAPils;1835053]Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]On the mongering scene Chiang Mai is a dead loss every which way you look at it.

I joined Thai Friendly a couple of weeks ago and all I keep getting is messages from 50 plus year olds. The younger women seem to be mostly interested in chat and facebook and I'm not interested in that. Haven't found any desirable women on there that want to party or meet for short time. I am not old but on the older side and it seems the desirable women have age limits and out of bounds for me. Maybe the younger guys would have a better chance of scoring on there.

As for making any suggestions, I seriously don't have any as most of what's in Chiang Mai as been well covered all ready.

[QUOTE=HansAPils;1835053]Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]On TF, I've met three girls with the potential for partnering up, but things materialized with only one of them. Advice: message as many girls as you're interested in, write them back and try get a conversation going; don't be explicit about sex, just be friendly and chatty, but say early on that you like to have "fun. " They'll ask you what you mean by fun, and say something modest but obvious. Some will cut you off, some will keep chatting, and things might work out with one or more of them. You don't know if you don't if you don't try, and while TF isn't a goldmine for mongering, there are some opportunities. Also, download Line for your phone and give out your LineID. Everybody uses it here, you won't have to pay to message whenever you want on TF, and the girls are more likely chat back with you on Line because it's already in their comfort zone.

The girl I drill regularly isn't a party girl, but is pretty mellow and good company and good sex, and she appreciates the generosity of a horny farang like me. Not really a crazy nympho like BigMark talks about meeting, but she's available for a private date when I call or message her, and I keep the contact going. At this point, having seen her several times, the money I leave for her is pretty much up to me.

Another girl on TF, after a few messages, told me straight-up she was a bar girl, and asked me if I still wanted to talk to her. I said of course I love bar girls, and she sent me her number and some hot pics of her at work. Her pics on her profile were very modest, you wouldn't guess by looking that she's a BG. I haven't gone to meet her, but she looked legit in the pics she sent me privately. In chat, I asked her out of curiosity what she thought of business in CM, and I got a classic Thai answer: "Business no good because right now there no customer. " Nothing about the nights or months when she sees the most action, or average rates, or BG gossip.

The third girl, after about two messages on Line, said she was learning massage and spa, and offered to meet up for 2000. I said that sounded like a hell of a lot for a massage, and she said "don't worry, good relax good massage at your place, you know what I mean. " I negotiated 1500 for "first time," and she said we could meet that night. A few hours later, she started messaging me with all kinds of stuff, "where are you? Are you with anyone? Where are you going after?" Struck me as a little nutty, and I didn't pursue it for being a little too much drama, but she put the offer on the table up front.

Without TF, my Thai girlfriend keeps me pretty well unloaded.

[QUOTE=HansAPils;1835053]Hey guys,

Going up to CM in March.

Looking for advise on where to go etc. And what to avoid.

Will stay at LaiThai so not far from action.

Read a few days back people mentioning ThaiFriendly to look for a 'partner' but have not found any profile yet that is looking for 'short term'.

What do you guys suggest?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try soapies in CM, sayuri complex, celebrity body massage etc. That is better than wasting time on TF unless you are blunt enough to ask for ST / LT instead of sawasdee khrup.

I was also thinking of going to CM for a week in March but then came to know this is burning season causing extreme pollution so postponed plans. Do your own research before going to CM but I wouldn't recommend going during burning season.

I have only been here for two weeks and only went to one massage place and walked out. Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far. ThaiFriendly has been a big waste of time and I always do well on the sites. One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English. On the dating sites nor here in town. I live in the best area of the city. I did get my longer term visa. So off to Pattaya or?

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1841446]I have only been here for two weeks and only went to one massage place and walked out. Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far. ThaiFriendly has been a big waste of time and I always do well on the sites. One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English. On the dating sites nor here in town. I live in the best area of the city. I did get my longer term visa. So off to Pattaya or?[/QUOTE]I was there last week and the go go bars were quite busy with many beautiful white skinned ladies. Have you checked them out yet? I would also try the location based chat apps such as we chat. Also try and learn some basic Thai language and it will make a world of difference. A few hours on the web with you tube and google translate would be a good start.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1841446]

... Right now I feel that being in CM is like being in a church. This place really sucks so far.
..One in thirty responses is from CM. NOBODY speaks English....

[/QUOTE]Chiang Mai is not Pattaya. But the City is very nice and they speak English at least so good like in Pattaya. Maybe you meet the wrong Poeple.

I live in CM, [URL]http://www.mychiangmai.org/[/URL] a helpful site for P4P.

Hi all,

After my disappointing experience at Annie's in Bangkok I made my way up north. To Chiang Mai to be more precise.

1st visit. Sat 5th March.

I went to Celebrity Massage about two hours after I landed in Chiang Mai. Loi Kroh road is just a few minutes away and thanks to some other websites I found my way to the.

Massage parlor very easily. Upon arrival I was welcomes by. What I believe is. Papasan who was sitting outside of the venue chatting to some people.

Celebrity Massage seems to be housed in an old hotel and you enter the old lobby with the fishbowl. Overall very clean and well maintained. Papasan asked me to sit down and asked me what I was looking for. I said I look for some passion, somebody experienced, young and fun. He pointed out a few numbers but I decided to go for no 41 - a tiny girl.

Allegedly from Chiang Mai. I am not good remembering names. Especially from some pleasure girls. So sorry for that.

The fishbowl itself is separated into two categories. On the right the girls for THB 1400 and the more experienced girls (incl. The ones that don't do it with Farang) on the left for THB 1700. And there were some amazing stunners on the left. But the right had some nice personalities too.

After I selected my lady I was guided to an elevator where the girl joined me. We went up a few floor to the level with the (former hotel-) rooms. Again all very nice maintained and tidy incl. Marble-isa flooring). We went down a long corridor and my girl opened one of the doors. Inside (and I cannot repeat myself often enough) a nice and tidy room with a TV, A/C, bed and big bath tub. I was asked to undress whilst the girl filled the tub with water. Whilst the water was running I got a nice, but not professional, massage.

It lasted about 15-20 minutes. After that we hopped into the tub for a full body wash. Unfortunately the lady did not speak any English so communication was limited to gestures and very very basic English. We had a lot of fun in the tub, the girl was quirky and very friendly. A nice tiny firm body with be-size (real) boobs, ah and she had braces so looked schoolgirl-ish. In the bathtub no real action other than some almost-handjob to get my little friend cleaned up.

After another 20 minutes of washing each other (yes, of course I wanted to wash her too) we went to the bed for some more basic massaging. After a few minutes she got a condom, dressed me up and started a BJ. Heyho, the foreplay got intense. We did some 69 etc. And I really enjoyed her company.

I was not expecting the full GFE after papasan told me earlier the rules. No kissing, always condom, max 1. 5 HR / 1 shot.

And then things went more serious. We did it in every single position I could imagine. Reverse cowboy, doggy, missionary etc. The full program until I came. She did not rush it at all, as it wanted me to come to an end, she seems to enjoy it. No lubrication needed at all.

A final time into the shower, cleaned up and 1. 5 hours later I left the venue very very happy.

Rating (at 12 pm).

Venue- 4/5 Stars.

Selection of girls- 3/5 Stars (because some very hotties did not want farang).

Rating girl no 41- 4/5 stars.

Value for Price -5/5 Stars (compared to Annies THB 3000 per session).

Overall - 4/5 stars.

2st visit. Sun 6th March.

Went to Celebrity again because of my experience on the day before.

I never had a 3-some so I decided to go for 2 girls at the same time. Early birthday present Papasan remembered me instantly and we spoke about the rules if I were to take 2 girls. He recommended an experienced girl and maybe a inexperienced younger girl. Guess what I went for no 41 again who also remembered me and we joked around a little bit. She selected a girl to work with her who was little smaller, 19 years old, little chubby but real the-size cups. I think her number was 51 or 57. Anyhow, I could feel immediately that she wasn't in the job for long, she seemed to be a little shy and unsure on how to approach me. She did not speak any English at all.

Same procedure. I went to the lift and the 2 girls followed me. Same floor, different room. Started with a massage again on the bed after undressing. No 41 fun as always whilst she seemed to give the other girl instructions on what to do / how to massage. So the other girl WAS new. My girl and I jumped into the bath tub whilst the new girl stood outside washing me from behind. I asked the ladies to swap so that I could show the new girl what I like but she was still very shy. She started to boob-wank me which was very nice, she definitely has experience in that topic. Again quick shower to rinse off, the obligatory mouthwash and we went back to the bed, one girl to my left, one to my right. They kissed my body allover and whilst I was busy with the new girl, no 41 dressed me up in latex and rode me reverse cowboy. After 10 minutes the ladies swapped positions and the new girl tried to ride me too. With a little too much force so I needed to change positions and finished off missionary whilst no 41 was kissing and stroking me from behind.

So that was it. My first 3-some for the price of a 2-some in Bangkok.

No 41 was again very nice but professional whilst the new girl seemed to be so inexperienced, it actually turned me on.

And I tell you what. I may go again tomorrow (IF I decide to skip testing Sayuri).

Good night!

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1818597]Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.[/QUOTE]Hey Arthur,

Have you been back here at all since that last time? I know my way around and thought I would give it a shot, how did you go about making her know you wanted 'the works' when you asked for the oil massage? Or she kinda just did it on her own? I know some places if you don't at first say a few hints they won't really get it? Your Thai is fairly good or just said straight up?

Cheers,

Arthur

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1818597]Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop: This is more complicated because not directly in the town.
In the massage parlour is a fair skinned Burmese lady who speaks perfect English in her early 40's. She's skinny and no means a looker but some may fancy it.
The last time I were there was a year ago. I had an oil massage and she completely striped off, let me finger her pussy, tits, ass and a good French kisser while she gave me a HJ. She never rushed me and did not quote any prices and afterwards gave her 800 baht that included the massage, she was happy with that. She was probably up for FS but I didn't bother. The shop front has a glass sliding door with a curtain on the door for privacy that opened straight into a large room or shop and included a real bed. She did not lock the door that was a little off putting but no one else came in.
Directions: You will require own transport; it's out the way a bit. Taking you from the Night Bazaar. Travel up to the traffic lights by the Pantip Plaza. At the lights turn right into Sridonchai Road. Travel down until you reach the moat. As you hit the moat turn left into Ragang Road. The road is sign posted. Travel down a ways and then you will see a massage parlour on the corner where the road bears left and the road goes straight on. Don't bear left but go straight on. From then on the road becomes very narrow, almost like a footpath. Keep going and then the road turns sharp left. Go left with it; don't take the more narrower part that goes straight on. Go to the end of that road and you will come to a main road that has a blue concrete wall opposite. Turn left onto that road. The Nong Nuy Taxi Service and Massage Shop is about 50 metres on the left. It has a red and white hanging banner outside the shop with the name in English.[/QUOTE]Did you go back there after that visit yet Arthur? I know my way around and thinking about checking it out there. Could you let me know how you let her know you wanted 'the works'? Or she kinda expected what you wanted and just stripped all by herself? Just treading carefully, some places, if you don't really hint at what you want they don't really approach it properly (like you not wearing a towel for oil massage? You just spoke English to her asking for normal oil?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=JasonMaxed;1848310]Did you go back there after that visit yet Arthur? I know my way around and thinking about checking it out there. Could you let me know how you let her know you wanted 'the works'? Or she kinda expected what you wanted and just stripped all by herself? Just treading carefully, some places, if you don't really hint at what you want they don't really approach it properly (like you not wearing a towel for oil massage? You just spoke English to her asking for normal oil?

Cheers![/QUOTE]I have been there several times. I haven't visited there for the last few months, have been out the country for a while and back now. The woman speaks very good English and no need to speak Thai to communicate with her, in fact she's actually Burmese not Thai or so she said.

Here's the ploy. Go in and ask for a one hour oil massage. Strip off, lay on the bed, on your back not on your stomach, so you are facing the woman. Don't bother throwing a towel over yourself so she knows you're not the shy type and gives a hint of what you expect. If she places a towel over your private parts, give it a couple of minutes and throw it off again. But each time I went she did not bother with the towel.

Tell her you only want your front massaged, not your back or arms. Let her do her thing and eventually she will work her way onto your dick. She done this automatically when she could see I had a hard on. What I liked about it was that she did not mention money or a you want? How much thing. Once she starts doing the business on your dick start feeling up her tits then her crutch and pull off her undies, that is what I did. But don't go at it like a stallion on heat, just let everything gently take its course and you will score.

[QUOTE=JasonMaxed;1848286]Hey Arthur,

Have you been back here at all since that last time? I know my way around and thought I would give it a shot, how did you go about making her know you wanted 'the works' when you asked for the oil massage? Or she kinda just did it on her own? I know some places if you don't at first say a few hints they won't really get it? Your Thai is fairly good or just said straight up?

Cheers,

Arthur[/QUOTE]I dropped by about a week ago. When I asked about massage, the woman working there said she'd "Have to call the massage lady". She didn't seem that keen, so I went elsewhere.

The shop is closed or change from owner.

Visit the shop a 2 months ago. There was a farang inside with a Thai lady.

He say to me the shop is close.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1848421]I have been there several times. I haven't visited there for the last few months, have been out the country for a while and back now. The woman speaks very good English and no need to speak Thai to communicate with her, in fact she's actually Burmese not Thai or so she said.

Here's the ploy. Go in and ask for a one hour oil massage. Strip off, lay on the bed, on your back not on your stomach, so you are facing the woman. Don't bother throwing a towel over yourself so she knows you're not the shy type and gives a hint of what you expect. If she places a towel over your private parts, give it a couple of minutes and throw it off again. But each time I went she did not bother with the towel.

Tell her you only want your front massaged, not your back or arms. Let her do her thing and eventually she will work her way onto your dick. She done this automatically when she could see I had a hard on. What I liked about it was that she did not mention money or a you want? How much thing. Once she starts doing the business on your dick start feeling up her tits then her crutch and pull off her undies, that is what I did. But don't go at it like a stallion on heat, just let everything gently take its course and you will score.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maaipi;1848581]The shop is closed or change from owner.

Visit the shop a 2 months ago. There was a farang inside with a Thai lady.

He say to me the shop is close.[/QUOTE]Seems another one bites the dust. Good while it lasted.

Here one more page with links to massage etc:

[URL]http://www.mychiangmai.org/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beno69;1856144]Here one more page with links to massage etc:

[URL]http://www.mychiangmai.org/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's the same old stuff as there is on Chiang Mai Locator only a lot less of it. The same old fake photos, there are no reviews and that site has a lot of fancy text and titles but says nothing. Like all these places they're about doing as little as possible, in the quickest possible time for as much as possible. I don't see anything on there that offers full sex without the massage or going through the bar ritual at rich bastards prices.

That site is only recycling what is on offer at all the other sites and we already know about.

I'm an older American with no foreign language skills. Before coming to Chiang Mai, I spent three weeks in Viet Nam and Lao with no FS. The last thing I needed was another HJ happy ending in a Loi Kroh spa. So I RTFF's and decided to target Celebrities and Sayuri. In five days I had delightful sessions with Bum, Faa, and Dao at CelebX. I tried to select a fetching MILF at Sayuri, but the papasan wanted double Celeb's price for their midrange selection. So I walked back to CelebX. All three WGs cost 1400 each, and I tipped an additional 300. They were all enthusiastic and into the pleasure of it. The one significant difference is that Bum said no to DATY, and when I talked about it with papasan he said it was a hit-or-miss proposition. However, when I brought it up with Faa, she simply said it would take a tip, which was coming her way anyway. And Dao simply rolled over, spread wide, and enjoyed the ride almost as much as I did. Maybe Bum was coming off her period or something and papasan was covering for her. Otherwise, each lady gave a lively and titillating session in the tub followed by proficient CBJ and FS in multiple positions. Bum and Faa were good cuddlers after the deed, while Dao wanted to work me over some more with a massage. So thanks to the recommendations on this forum, my faith in women kind is restored, and I'm looking forward to more fun and games in Bangkok this weekend.

I have been reading good reports about what was called the Santitham 99 that used to be located in the Santitham Road and has since relocated to another area off the Super Highway and now called, 99 Karaoke, I have all ready checked it out on Google Street view.

The reports say; 99 Karaoke is a very local Thai brothel basically disguised as a bar / karaoke but is actually a brothel. It's mainly focused on a Thai clientele but the mamasan does speak English. Better speak a decent word of Thai and don't be surprised if either the business or some of the girls refuse you service. Buy a girl there, the girls usually take you to The Great Love Hotel. Other reports say; all the girls are 8's to 10's, and for 1200 baht includes the room, a full hour with massage and FS. I speak some basic Thai so not a problem for me. I read about that place sometime ago but have never tried it out.

Considering that most of the commercial sex scene in Chiang Mai has turned to shit I find this 99 Karaoke too good to be true and considering it suppose to be even cheaper than the soapies and minus the Loi Kroh Road type hags it sounds like an absolute bargain to me that makes me rather skeptical about the whole deal.

Have any of you ever been there or would recommend this place?

[QUOTE=Canick1;1865714]The one significant difference is that Bum said no to DATY, and when I talked about it with papasan he said it was a hit-or-miss proposition. However, when I brought it up with Faa, she simply said it would take a tip, which was coming her way anyway. And Dao simply rolled over, spread wide, and enjoyed the ride almost as much as I did. Maybe Bum was coming off her period or something and papasan was covering for her. Otherwise, each lady gave a lively and titillating session in the tub followed by proficient CBJ and FS in multiple positions..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. This is what I consider a really useful report. Makes me want to try next time in Chiang Mai.

As for girls not wanting DATY. You are right that can be their period time and have something stuffed inside the pussy to try to hide it. It's also possible that girl is scared of the stimulation, and doesn't want to get overly stimulated with the threat of orgasm.

Most hookers in Thailand say that they do not orgasm at work from normal fucking but certainly can more easily from a good DATY. There is considerable variation however in what turns girls on, and whether they will allow themselves to be highly turned on. Girls with no boyfriend and not too tired, may well allow themselves to enjoy it. Some girls told me they have a boyfriend but still were willing to enjoy themselves, when chemistry with customer was really good, I. E. Were not totally exclusive to their "boyfriend". Some of these girls were not that serious with the BF and possibly looking to get rid of him in the future. Everything is possible. Can't put every girl into the same box.

Some girls that retire and settle down with a BF, stop playing up, according to what they are telling me, however may not be 100% true. Thailand is generally very high on infidelity, I believe.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1877014]

Some girls that retire and settle down with a BF, stop playing up, according to what they are telling me, however may not be 100% true. Thailand is generally very high on infidelity, I believe.[/QUOTE]I think what you are missing and therefore leave out is that the boyfriends are with the girls well knowing what's going on and are in it purely for the money. If she stops working, then what?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1877944]I think what you are missing and therefore leave out is that the boyfriends are with the girls well knowing what's going on and are in it purely for the money. If she stops working, then what?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXuOFsC7Pv8[/URL]

Skype photo of Chiang Mai PG girl.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1878099][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXuOFsC7Pv8[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't know if you can ever really stop them. At the end of the day all they know is how to fuck to get money, unless YOU put a ring on it. Even if you do that is it ever enough? She even told him "You think you give me big money". Family will come running when farang is now in the family. Thai women are the worst in the world, and the dumbest smart chicks I ever met. Its not just Thailand, I have a new colleague that's married to a Colombian. She's hot but the stories he told be about being married to her for fourteen years made me lose respect for him.

Great post, it brought back bad memories of when I tried to invest in a Thai. Losing proposition unless she is fucking fugly.

Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.

[QUOTE=EatALotOpus;1879908]Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.[/QUOTE]I would be especially wary of long time hardened hookers that do BB easily. The odds are they may get HIV eventually. A lot of bare backing must/might catch up with them. I would like to see their proper test results myself. Some guys have to be the unlucky ones. The other thing, is the risk of simple diseases like Gonor. And Chlamydia are so easy to get (and fortunately very easy to cure once you are aware you got it).

I am even wary of young girls that may have been fucking around with low class Thai boys. That is almost always bareback stuff and risky. Hence so many unwanted pregnancies.

The risk of giving your GF a dose of the clap has to be important. Those that have no GF, may well take higher risks.

I am not meaning to preach, or anything like that. It's just about guys making their own decisions based on real risks that may not be very high at all under some circumstances. But like "Eat a Lot of Pus" says, the reality is that some girls will have HIV. We cannot assume they are banned from working. They all have to make money and corruption thrives.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1880345]I would be especially wary of long time hardened hookers that do BB easily. The odds are they may get HIV eventually. A lot of bare backing must/might catch up with them. I would like to see their proper test results myself. Some guys have to be the unlucky ones. The other thing, is the risk of simple diseases like Gonor. And Chlamydia are so easy to get (and fortunately very easy to cure once you are aware you got it).

I am even wary of young girls that may have been fucking around with low class Thai boys. That is almost always bareback stuff and risky. Hence so many unwanted pregnancies.

The risk of giving your GF a dose of the clap has to be important. Those that have no GF, may well take higher risks.

I am not meaning to preach, or anything like that. It's just about guys making their own decisions based on real risks that may not be very high at all under some circumstances. But like "Eat a Lot of Pus" says, the reality is that some girls will have HIV. We cannot assume they are banned from working. They all have to make money and corruption thrives.[/QUOTE]Hookers could be described as the in-betweeners when it comes to germs and viruses. When hookers have intimate contact with several men on a daily basis they are susceptible to every known disease. Even if a customer only has a common cold he is likely to pass it on to the hooker and she to her next customers. Just kissing can spread incurable oral herpes and even HIV in certain circumstances. Hookers don't have a reputation for being called dirty prostitutes for nothing.

But that's a risk we take when exchanging bodily fluids with prostitutes, that are really just biological sperm receptacles or almost like public conveniences for men.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1880603]Hookers could be described as the in-betweeners when it comes to germs and viruses. When hookers have intimate contact with several men on a daily basis they are susceptible to every known disease. Even if a customer only has a common cold he is likely to pass it on to the hooker and she to her next customers. Just kissing can spread incurable oral herpes and even HIV in certain circumstances. Hookers don't have a reputation for being called dirty prostitutes for nothing.

But that's a risk we take when exchanging bodily fluids with prostitutes, that are really just biological sperm receptacles or almost like public conveniences for men.[/QUOTE]You really do have an ugly turn of phrase, showing how you look down on prostitutes and perhaps also their customers. It would seem strange then if you actually used the services of hookers. How would you know how many men your woman has been with previously, or would only a virgin do? Personally I don't regard hookers as "dirty". Thai hookers are far cleaner than my Farang ex-wife, who I could not perform DATY on as it was just too foul down there.

I think you exaggerate a little. The common cold is caught through the nose by breathing in virus contaminated air. I catch all sorts of airborne viruses most times I take a long plane flight, even though not kissing anyone onboard. My nasal blood vessels are too close to the skin surface. Kissing is not considered a relatively significant risk factor for passing HIV. Probably no provable cases exist.

Cold Sores (Herpes Simplex type 1) yes. Its seems blood tests show I did contract that at some time in the past, even though I was not aware I ever had a cold sore, exactly. Perhaps mine was too small to be sure what it was. A large percentage of the population has contracted that at some time anyway. Kissing so many women so often, it might be freakish to actually avoid that one.

Once I caught a bad virus from a hooker, that seriously knocked me about for a few days, and that made me susceptible to a bacterial Impetigo ulcers infection. Its possible I even caught cold sores at the same time as that, with one condition possibly disguising another. I do agree that constant consorting with hookers, or amateurs (no charge girls) equally so, has health dangers, for those diseases easily passible by skin touch or by more delicate parts. My understanding is that general population (non hookers) are using condoms significantly less than hookers.

Many microbes we catch, are good for our health, but not all.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1835386]On the mongering scene Chiang Mai is a dead loss every which way you look at it.

I joined Thai Friendly a couple of weeks ago and all I keep getting is messages from 50 plus year olds. The younger women seem to be mostly interested in chat and facebook and I'm not interested in that. Haven't found any desirable women on there that want to party or meet for short time. I am not old but on the older side and it seems the desirable women have age limits and out of bounds for me. Maybe the younger guys would have a better chance of scoring on there.

As for making any suggestions, I seriously don't have any as most of what's in Chiang Mai as been well covered all ready.[/QUOTE]L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .

[QUOTE=EatALotOpus;1879908]Hello all,

First time poster long time prowler. I welcome any constructive criticism. This is not a F* report but a heads up to the brothers that prefer to go bareback. Went to a massage parlor located on Loi Kroh Rd on the last day of Songkran. ML was little inebriated and the quality was almost non existent. However she was fun to chat with and very friendly. He was offered on the promises with full service at your hotel. I was not in the mood for it and we remained jovial. Spent an hour chatting and groping each other most of the time. Here is what I came away for my 200 bht donation. There are two ladies working the massage parlors on Loi Kroh Rd, infected with HIV. The ML informed me that one of the two ladies will go with a man and ask him to wear a cover. If he refuses, she does not inform him of her infection. She claims that some of her clients only profess that they are clean, not thinking or asking if she is clean. As of the other infected lady, I could not get any more intel other that she is infected. Asked where are they working and was pointed down the road toward the Old City. So if you enjoy BB keep that in the back of your mind.[/QUOTE]I don't want to start a BB debate.

Everyone has their own risk assessment and appetite.

I will say that statistically, it is not at all easy to get HIV from F to M vaginally, and almost not even possible orally.

Let's address a lot of fear and ignorance right now.

1. HIV needs an opening to your bloodstream to transmit, there is NO OTHER WAY.

Therefore, victims are usually in low health to begin with, they are undernourished, and have open sexual sores and other defence weakening STI's.

Such as the very high infection statistics in sub-saharan Africa.

HIV in vaginal fluid or saliva is minute, that's why they do blood tests, and not a vag or mouth swab. Duh!

2. The media and authorities want to control your behavior, they lie, or simply parrot outdated info about everything, but especially sex and drugs. To prove this point, it is simply not possible to get hooked on one hit of anything.

Nicotine is the most addictive substance on earth, and any smoker will tell you they had to 'work' at it to get hooked as kids. Use common sense guys, don't believe the hype.

3. I lived with an HIV+ BKK girl for 3 months before she was diagnosed (routine check) we bare-backed almost daily, even on start of 'red' days, she had been positive four years when she found out.

I am still -ve 2 years later. I also had four bareback encounters since, the last was with exchange of 'clean' blood tests before the session, as it was a pre-arranged bareback 'party'. I have barebacked most of my life, and have had NSU / Chlamydia many times. So is my HIV neg status just luck?

No, just statistically highly unlikely to get HIV from a pussy, even a bleeding one, if my skin is not open to my bloodstream.

4. Most of the worlds population carries the genital warts and herpes viruses. If you are a sexually active adult, you have been exposed, absolutely no question.

Outbreaks are another thing entirely. But having said that, all of it is mostly BS hysteria, your life will go on as normal with any, or indeed, all of these viruses.

Some people have the viruses, and never even show symptoms. Some get really knocked around, particularly with Herpes, but the first attack is usually the worst, then sometimes it never reappears. Like everything, YMMV.

5. Stop reading BS media 'MD' sites and go to the 'savage love' site or podcast.

Yes, he is gay, but those guys know what they are talking about with sex health, they HAVE had to -to survive.

6. Bottom line, if you are out there fucking, make sure you're getting the education you need to maximise your fun.

Then again, I prefer stupid people to stay scared, and be wrapped up 'safe' since, well, they're stupid to begin with. They're the ones who go and get a dose that's usually avoidable.

By NOT understanding a little about hygiene -and how viruses work.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1880853]L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the offer to meet for a beer. I live almost 50 kilometres from the town so if I'm visiting the town I want something to look forward to when I arrive there to make the trip worthwhile. I have a big chopper (motorbike that is) and can be in the town in about 45 minutes. Back in the old days I would go for a meal or a drink with mates and then we'the finish up at the bored housewives club what we used to call filling our boots but that's no longer possible.

No offence to you but I already have friends that I meet on occasions for a chat that usually follows by having nothing to do and then going straight home afterwards and most of my friends feel the same way I do. Now I'm looking for the full Monty and why I joined these forums. We meet up once a week invitations are sent by email and I can put you on our mailing list if you are interested, but sorry there is no totty there, just a load of boring old blokes. If we could go for a drink and you know some places where some action is we could follow on afterwards then I would love for us to meet up somewhere and may be arrange for some others to join us and that goes for anyone else.

[QUOTE] (SNIPPED)

No offence to you but I already have friends that I meet on occasions for a chat that usually follows by having nothing to do and then going straight home afterwards and most of my friends feel the same way I do. Now I'm looking for the full Monty and why I joined these forums. We meet up once a week invitations are sent by email and I can put you on our mailing list if you are interested, but sorry there is no totty there, just a load of boring old blokes. If we could go for a drink and you know some places where some action is we could follow on afterwards then I would love for us to meet up somewhere and may be arrange for some others to join us and that goes for anyone else.[/QUOTE]No offence taken Arthur. As a boring old bloke myself anything beats the tragic comments pages on Thai Visa. I'll PM you shortly.

Certainly not a mongers' destination, IMO. It appears there are two (2) ago-gos in town. One right across the moat from the hotel we stayed at (De Naga). 700 B bar fine; I have no idea how much for ST or LT. All were in bikinis / bras & panties. No topless or nude. Actually quite boring.

What I did: had my GF from Isan meet me in Pattaya. After a few days of clock-readjustment we flew Air Asia to Chiang Mai (UTP-CNX). The Pattaya airport (UTP) is about an hour south of the city; closer to 30 minutes in the very early hours. Cost 1000 B for taxi from taxi stand; certainly cheaper if you negotiate directly. But note Air Asia says they close their counters one hour before flight time; not sure if they really do or not but I recommend you CYA. We stayed at the De Naga hotel (13,500 B for 4 nights on Agoda). It has a pool (small) and is inside the old walled city. Excellent location & quiet. A few minutes walk to coffee shops, bars & restaurants as well as the re-constructed main gate. The ago-go we went to is directly across the moat from our hotel. 160 B from the Chiang Mai airport to the hotel. 250 B for the hotel car to return. Air fare for the both of us was about $200 r/t. ; less if you don't want to pick your seats & get a snack. Like around $130 US for both seats r/t total.

My recommendation: Visit Pattaya for a week. Get your clock straight (12 hrs difference for me). Find a gal you like & negotiate her LT price for the trip. Bar fine her for the duration. All Thai girls want a customer to take them to Chiang Mai. ALL. Then buy your tickets on the Air Asia site & pick a hotel. For me, 4 days was plenty in Chiang Mai. I visited the main temple with my GF then sent her on her own to see whatever she wanted while I smoked my cigars at the local coffee shop (Coffee Club. Starbucks on the other side of the main gate is no-smoking & has very limited outdoor seating).

Overall a good trip from my end but I would not want to show up alone.

Just my thoughts. Take 'them or leave 'them.

/ dddick.

[QUOTE=DanDDick;1885645]

Certainly not a mongers' destination
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Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.

[QUOTE=Wolfie2;1891319]Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.[/QUOTE]The entire moat area is one big party zone, so where you stay will only matter in terms of what you want to be near, eg your favorite non monger pub or restaurant or spinner den.

As an expat, doing songkran was fun once (before the crackdown) but I actually avoid it now.

It's basically a young idiot magnet. Morons who think its funny and fun to use ice water, fire high velocity and filthy moat water into one's face, risking eye ear nose and throat infections, and general arseholery, just because they can.

The other side of the coin is the police are being forced to crackdown on 'revealing' dress of partygoers, which started this year, so cold wet titties may not be much in evidence.

Also, live music (electric equipment) and H2O tend not to mix too well.

Finally, it's hot as hell, but then again, you can always cool down with the filthy moat water flying about.

But up to you!

[QUOTE=Beno69;1890632][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1Pq0R5KKnbNkw1NIme3Qc5wsPwlo[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=18.797565%2C98.972086&spn=0.00456%2C0.010568&msa=0&mid=1jkaVyDnx0gKZnqUjx64eV9mQh68[/URL]


Maybe old Link, but still mostly OK![/QUOTE]Beno69.

Thank you for the first (topmost) link. Quite a good locator, if low on detail.

The second map has 3 venues on it and unspecified what they specialise in, in short the original creator should not have even bothered!

Whatever happened to the 'independent' beerbar run by the girls and not some gangsta, supposedly way out in Chiangmailand mubaan?

Too far from the action to begin with, but a shame it seems to have flopped.

It's time Thailand got a bilingual version of the 'peppr' app I am so fucking tired of mamasans barfines and other parasites.

I just want to meet the girl, figure her out, decide if I will buy her a normal drink in a normal bar, and fuck her, with ALL the profits going to her.

I'm sure many of them feel the same.

[QUOTE=Wolfie2;1891319]Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.[/QUOTE]Wolfie,

As a follow up to my first response, I don't mean to be a killjoy. I just think the Songkran is less and less fun each year, as I said its the idiots thinking up new ways to punk people who just want to have good natured fun, or the NCPO goons and their curmudgeon rules about clothing and girls dancing on the back of trucks. And OK I'm getting older myself, but who isn't?

I would suggest the bars within the Anusarn Market area would be the best places for live music, also the rooftop bars of Maya mall (hi so + hi prices) or lo so in KSK basement, as they are completely aircon or on rooftops (Blues Bar) its not always going to be top 40 hits stuff, but I don't recall any live music around the moat as the water slinging is just out of control, but maybe I'm wrong.
I imagine the clubs in the Nimman mubaan are also going to be jumping, but they are mainly Thai and regular kids, not spinners and keenok mongers. If you are young and 'handsum' you may get laid, you also may get your head kicked in by jealous Thai boys, just a thought.

Spicy is now a dead duck by 0100. I am not sure it will survive the crackdown. The Zoe @ Yellow complex has also suffered in the early closing rules. I guess they just cant pay the 'fines' anymore.

OTOH the Mandalay 'superclub' has reopened with off duty police as security, and it does seem to have a table or two of spinners waiting to be picked up. YMMV. But the bands and DJs are excellent and do a mix of Thai and Western hits.

Prices are cheap, table/bottle service will come in at under 1000 thb easily if you drink low end spirits. They will reserve your bottle for you, and give you a ticket as proof of 'ownership' so you can come back multiple times and enjoy. It shuts around 0400.

Anyway, I hope you have fun and don't get some shitty jungle bug from the water.

Regards, OK.

[QUOTE=Wolfie2;1891319]Hi guys,

I have booked flights to CM (following a couple of weeks in Phuket) for a week over Thai new year 10-17/4 next year. I have been there once before about 3 years ago stayed at the Raming and really enjoyed both CM and the Raming. I am looking at hotels, which would be better positioned for Songkran, not just water fights but parades and particularly music venues. I presume there will be live party bands in the street same as I saw in Bangkok 3 years ago. I was thinking or Raming or maybe hotel M on Thapae Gate? I am getting on a bit and do not like to walk too far (I will be renting a scooter) but need party bars (and the live music) within easy walk of the hotel.[/QUOTE]Mixing rented scooters and Songkran is a really bad idea. Anyhow Chiang Mai is so small you can leg it easily or at the worst take a tuk tuk or taxi.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1895154]
I just want to meet the girl, figure her out, decide if I will buy her a normal drink in a normal bar, and fuck her, with ALL the profits going to her.

I'm sure many of them feel the same.[/QUOTE]I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1895621]I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.[/QUOTE]There are a few freelancers that have to be carefully filtered out from the ladyboys hanging about at and around the Tapae Gate area late at night and many can be [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] but look older with police disguised as tuk tuk drivers or in plain clothes keeping watch ready to pounce on any unsuspecting Farang tempted into the jailbait trap. Also many can be filthy and mentally disturbed. Even some of the most hardcore mongers I have known would not go near them. I have stayed in the town, gone out on the prowl at night, pulled a street girl, and had her back to my hotel room and in my bed within minutes of leaving my room. They're so cheap it is possible to grab 2 or even 3 at bargain rates. Maybe good for guys who fancy getting involved with an orgy on the cheap if they don't mind risking fucking a piece of street meat that may have STDs or who knows what other diseases, girls that haven't bathed or washed their clothes for maybe weeks, tramps in fact.

I tried Thai Friendly for several months after being recommended by a friend. Most of what I was getting were messages from past their sell by date Thai women begging for some Farang in shining armor on his white horse to come and rescue them from a life of loneness, being left poor and on the shelf for the rest of eternity. One had published on her profile claiming to be 59 but looked more to be 69 her photo wearing in a bikini. I almost threw up. The majority contacted me first and then had to block them for the messages to stop, they were literally begging me to respond to them. Some were obvious escorts that I had seen advertising on criagslist. Any younger desirable women up for it are demanding 2000 baht for short time expecting the guy to host at his place. One woman 32 years old or so she claimed, offering massage wanted 2000 baht for a so called massage followed by a HJ, no sex she said and the guy had to host into the bargain. Thanks but no thanks. The rest make it clear they are only seeking longer term relationships and that can be interpreted anyways we like. Most likely means looking for sugar daddies or mugs to finance them each month. Especially get suspicious when a stunning 20's or 30 something women says she is looking for men from ages 18 to 90 or any age. Also too many of the really hot looking girls have messages on their profiles saying; so and so name is receiving too many messages, please upgrade to contact her. Sorry, I'm not falling for that one. There are some sincere nice Thai women on there that is great for the guys seeking that sort of thing, but sorry it's not a mongers site for pulling and fucking, not by any stretch of the imagination, although I have no doubts some guys have struck lucky if the women really like them, but it's still very hit and miss no different to pulling a bird at a disco. I looked at the Chiang Rai profiles, more or less the same thing, Bangkok had more choice but the Pattaya section was much better and well stocked. So if planning a trip to Pattaya maybe a good idea to hook up with girls on there and arrange to meet them in Pattaya. But Chiang Mai is hardly worth the effort although I am sure some Jack the Lad saying he is in his 60's and scoring on there 2 dozen times a day will accuse me of doing it all wrong.

I also checked out Date in Asia, POF and some other free dating sites, all were much of the same, even had many of the same women on all those sites where Chiang Mai is concerned. Some women I noticed had been on there for several years, so something must be wrong somewhere.

The real stuff what I call the creme the la crème of Chiang Mai Thai pussy are the sideliners. These are young girls anywhere between the ages of 16 up to early 20's. They are mostly student girls looking to earn extra money to help pay for their Uni fees or similar wanting additional cash to buy their cell phones, computers, clothes and makeup the must haves for any spoilt young ladies that prefer not to work for it and why they're called sideliners. Most are going for 1000 to 1500 baht, well worth it for a piece of decent finger licking good young Thai pussy, only there is a catch. The majority of these girls only advertise on Thai forums or Thai dating sites and quite a few on facebook but only in Thai text and Thai language as these girls are not really into Farangs that much. So unless the Farang can speak, read and write in fluent Thai, then getting a hook up with a sideliner is virtually impossible. Another way is making contact via an agent. An agent can be any Thai person, a market stall seller, a taxi or bus driver, anyone. But we never get to know who these agents are. Another way if Farangs have a good Thai friend or an acquaintance that can speak English and help the Farang to make sideliner hookups on their sites. I can assure you all that these girls do exist but most are strictly reserved for the Thai clientele, we only get the seconds, the rejects that most Thais wouldn't even give a second glance or if they are lookers would expect and demand a lot more than 1500 baht from a Farang.

I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1895154]
The second map has 3 venues on it and unspecified what they specialise in, in short the original creator should not have even bothered!
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RollAides;1903026]I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]I read somewhere, can't remember exactly, that one of those brothels has gone and the really cheap and nasty one is hanging on by a thread, may even have been shut down by now for all I know. Also they are not Farang friendly even to the Farangs that speak Thai, because the owners fear that Farangs will bring them unwanted publicity and too much attention to them. Besides that I believe all the Chiang Mai lady houses are now history. It's amazing that Chiang Mai has to be the only city in the world that doesn't have a seedy area, all very prim and proper, so there will not be any chance of husbands or boyfriends sneaking out for a bit of humpty humpty with the local working girl at the brothel down the road or in fact anywhere in Chiang Mai.

There are small out of town bars along the roads all over Chiang Mai, the one's that usually have the coloured Christmas lights sparkling outside their entrances that do have available girls going on the cheap, but again are all very locally Thai orientated and one would have to know some Thais to show you where they are and how to get to know the girls in those places.

[QUOTE=Beno69;1856144]Here one more page with links to massage etc:

[URL]http://www.mychiangmai.org/[/URL][/QUOTE]Did anybody tried already one of the B2B massage places like Absolute Paradise Spa, Fang VIP Members Club, Victoria Club, Raspberry Spa?

All around the outskirts of Chiang Mai city there are new glorified body to body massage parlors opening. Some are called clubs, such as the Pretty Club for example and others actually classifying themselves as body to body massage.

The Pros and Cons:

The only pros are the girls who are prostitutes and all the rest are total cons.

They prey on a first time customer's naivety, the object being to extract a customer of thousands of bahts in the quickest time possible, a sort of blitzkrieg on the wallet.

This is how it works:

A gullible guy walks into the premises. The first site that hits him is wall to wall eye candy, the girls of his dreams, 10 out of 10's, all dressed provocatively enough to wet the appetite of a saint. These are the bait.

Next, the customer will be shown a menu. It's lists a range of the services offered. Usually starting at 1000 baht per hour for a no thrills Thai massage up to 1700 baht for a one hour body to body oil massage. Printed under each listed service are the words; THIS IS A NON-SEXUAL SERVICE.

If the guy agrees to the full 1 hour oil body to body massage for the flat fee of 1700 baht as listed on the menu, then the girls will demand that he pays the full amount upfront.

Once he has paid, the guy will be given a choice of a girl and she will lead him into the massage room. Now this is when the first great disappointment begins. Most of us are under the impression that a body-to-body oil massage will be done in the nude. Not so in this case. The girl will ask the guy to lie on the bed flat on his stomach. Then she will either just leave her shorts on or both her shorts and bra. She will continue by pouring a whole load of goop onto the guy's back and legs and then proceed to slide up and down the guy. The reason the girl will insist that the guy lays on his stomach is so that she has full control of the situation in case the guy begins getting too amorous before the bartering process begins.

Within 4 to 5 minutes the girl will prod the guy for his attention and ask what else he would like the girl to do for him? What this means is, that whatever service the guy wants over and above what's on the menu is an extra. In other words, the guy's interpretation of what is involved in the process of an oil body-to-body massage may cost him thousands, and I mean thousands of bahts more than the prices listed on the menu. If the guy is unable to afford the extras or declines the girl's offer, than they don't care because the parlour already has his 1700 baht. In many cases the guy may not even receive the full 1700 bahts 1 hours worth of time.

If in the event that a customer complains, the staff will quickly remind him that it is a non sexual service as described on the menu. Yes, the quoted non-sexual service part is there to cover they're own asses, so the customer has no legalities if he wishes to take his complaint further.

In these places the girls are the carrots to tempt the donkeys or should I say; *******es. You have been warned.

[QUOTE=JohnHebbes;1903456]Did anybody tried already one of the B2B massage places like Absolute Paradise Spa, Fang VIP Members Club, Victoria Club, Raspberry Spa?[/QUOTE]There were some encouraging reports about absolute paradise just a while back here. Just use the search function in this thread. Do not be discouraged by a t who is all gloom and doom about Chiang mai. But continues to live here? I suspect it's a money problem.

Truth is when I go to the bar area on Loi kroh Road with the boxing ring for example there are nice choices but no customers really. I took out a real nice spinner there recently twice for 1200 bt short time. Take the time and go back a few pages there are many current reports.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1903936]All around the outskirts of Chiang Mai city there are new glorified body to body massage parlors opening. Some are called clubs, such as the Pretty Club for example and others actually classifying themselves as body to body massage.

The Pros and Cons:

The only pros are the girls who are prostitutes and all the rest are total cons.

They prey on a first time customer's naivety, the object being to extract a customer of thousands of bahts in the quickest time possible, a sort of blitzkrieg on the wallet.

This is how it works:

A gullible guy walks into the premises. The first site that hits him is wall to wall eye candy, the girls of his dreams, 10 out of 10's, all dressed provocatively enough to wet the appetite of a saint. These are the bait.

Next, the customer will be shown a menu. It's lists a range of the services offered. Usually starting at 1000 baht per hour for a no thrills Thai massage up to 1700 baht for a one hour body to body oil massage. Printed under each listed service are the words; THIS IS A NON-SEXUAL SERVICE.

If the guy agrees to the full 1 hour oil body to body massage for the flat fee of 1700 baht as listed on the menu, then the girls will demand that he pays the full amount upfront.

Once he has paid, the guy will be given a choice of a girl and she will lead him into the massage room. Now this is when the first great disappointment begins. Most of us are under the impression that a body-to-body oil massage will be done in the nude. Not so in this case. The girl will ask the guy to lie on the bed flat on his stomach. Then she will either just leave her shorts on or both her shorts and bra. She will continue by pouring a whole load of goop onto the guy's back and legs and then proceed to slide up and down the guy. The reason the girl will insist that the guy lays on his stomach is so that she has full control of the situation in case the guy begins getting too amorous before the bartering process begins.

Within 4 to 5 minutes the girl will prod the guy for his attention and ask what else he would like the girl to do for him? What this means is, that whatever service the guy wants over and above what's on the menu is an extra. In other words, the guy's interpretation of what is involved in the process of an oil body-to-body massage may cost him thousands, and I mean thousands of bahts more than the prices listed on the menu. If the guy is unable to afford the extras or declines the girl's offer, than they don't care because the parlour already has his 1700 baht. In many cases the guy may not even receive the full 1700 bahts 1 hours worth of time.

If in the event that a customer complains, the staff will quickly remind him that it is a non sexual service as described on the menu. Yes, the quoted non-sexual service part is there to cover they're own asses, so the customer has no legalities if he wishes to take his complaint further.

In these places the girls are the carrots to tempt the donkeys or should I say; *******es. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]I see this a completely different way than you. If the customer knows upfront it's a non sexual service, then the said customer should realize that extras will cost more. Full service for example. At this point, said customer should enquiry upfront with the potential lady he wishes to take, how much more full service will cost. Common sense in my mind.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904024]I see this a completely different way than you. If the customer knows upfront it's a non sexual service, then the said customer should realize that extras will cost more. Full service for example. At this point, said customer should enquiry upfront with the potential lady he wishes to take, how much more full service will cost. Common sense in my mind.[/QUOTE]You are right but they are not always completely upfront with what's on offer. For example most including me would think that the definition a B2 B oil massage involves the girl being completely naked as standard practice then maybe FS would be the extra, as that's what it's should be all about. 3 years ago I visited the Pretty club, booked for a one hour B2 B massage. Was stunned when the girl demanded double the fee for her to undress but not until I was in there laying naked on the bed of course and then I was only given 40 minutes not the full hour that I had already paid for in advance. A total rip-off. Having no experience of that beforehand how would I have known that the B2 B so-called massage did not mean a real B2 B massage until I paid a lot more money. Obviously I know now from that experience and I'm passing this information on to others so they don't fall into the same trap or meaning, not taking anything for granted.

I go along with OliverKitsoff's comment, I am really interested in getting a short time fuck without all the BS, but if you don't mind paying thousands of bahts for quick sniffter with a bit of pussy or a quick fuck than fair dues to ya.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1904097]You are right but they are not always completely upfront with what's on offer. For example most including me would think that the definition a B2 B oil massage involves the girl being completely naked as standard practice then maybe FS would be the extra, as that's what it's should be all about. 3 years ago I visited the Pretty club, booked for a one hour B2 B massage. Was stunned when the girl demanded double the fee for her to undress but not until I was in there laying naked on the bed of course and then I was only given 40 minutes not the full hour that I had already paid for in advance. A total rip-off. Having no experience of that beforehand how would I have known that the B2 B so-called massage did not mean a real B2 B massage until I paid a lot more money. Obviously I know now from that experience and I'm passing this information on to others so they don't fall into the same trap or meaning, not taking anything for granted.

I go along with OliverKitsoff's comment, I am really interested in getting a short time fuck without all the BS, but if you don't mind paying thousands of bahts for quick sniffter with a bit of pussy or a quick fuck than fair dues to ya.[/QUOTE]So actually, what you have just said is you haven't learnt your lesson after at least 2 bad experiences. How difficult is it to understand? Negotiate price and services upfront before paying. If something changes in the room, get up, get dressed, and go down to demand your money back or choose a different girl whose willing. I'm sorry mate but these experiences were totally your fault. Anyways, thanks for sharing and helping the newbies to learn from your mistakes.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904488]So actually, what you have just said is you haven't learnt your lesson after at least 2 bad experiences. How difficult is it to understand? Negotiate price and services upfront before paying. If something changes in the room, get up, get dressed, and go down to demand your money back or choose a different girl whose willing. I'm sorry mate but these experiences were totally your fault. Anyways, thanks for sharing and helping the newbies to learn from your mistakes.[/QUOTE]Dog is right on. The buyer has control, it's all about "The Golden Rule". He who has the gold makes the rules. Don't go in blind. Get the contract agreed to before entering into the deal. Be upfront, this is what I want, point blank. Then no surprises.

RL.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1903026]To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai!

[QUOTE=Blake1;1906361]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai![/QUOTE]Could you give us the location please?

[QUOTE=Blake1;1906361]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST [/QUOTE]That one is a karaoke off Nimman the other I think is now the brick bar Soi 5 Nimman, closes around 6 pm! All described here in the forum before Mr T.

[QUOTE=Blake1;1906361]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai![/QUOTE]I think this place is nearby my hotel on Nimman, but I'm not quite sure. Is it the building with the circular signage (that's blank) right above the entrance? It's only open during the daytime, it seems. Just walk right on in?

Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.

[QUOTE=Blake1;1906361]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nuevo;1912910]Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.[/QUOTE]Hi Nuevo & Blake,

I've just moved to Chiang Mai and buy the sounds of it live very close to Neuvo (on Huay Kaew Rd, just past the canal road) and I'm also interested in checking out this brothel but can't seem to locate it either.

Timmy.

[QUOTE=Nuevo;1912910]Hello Blake,

I live in Chiang Mai on Huay Kaew Rd. Just around the corner via Maya to Niemanheiman. I was told of this place, but the directions given were not usable. If you are willing to do so could you provide me directions to the brothel. [b]It would probably be best to provide to location via a PM[/b]. Also, if you are close we could hook up for a couple of brews. My treat, of course. .

I look forward to hearing from you.[/QUOTE]I thought the basic idea of ISG is to spread information around about good and bad places to monger? So giving directions by PM seems a bad idea.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1913072]I thought the basic idea of ISG is to spread information around about good and bad places to monger? So giving directions by PM seems a bad idea.[/QUOTE]Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0[/URL]

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1913132]Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0[/URL]

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.[/QUOTE]I'll give it a look.

So there are no BJ bars in Chiang Mai. Where do long term residents go if they want a quick no strings BBBJCIM?

[QUOTE=RickRock;1920356]So there are no BJ bars in Chiang Mai. Where do long term residents go if they want a quick no strings BBBJCIM?[/QUOTE]If by "long term residents" you mean "Thai", I'm not too sure that BBBJCIM is something that is high on their list.

If one can believe the stories bargirls tell about Thai men, they are most conservative sexually. Much more than a quick fuck in missionary or doggy is not expected. Even in Bangkok, the BJ places are almost exclusively visited by farang.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1920430]If by "long term residents" you mean "Thai", I'm not too sure that BBBJCIM is something that is high on their list.

If one can believe the stories bargirls tell about Thai men, they are most conservative sexually. Much more than a quick fuck in missionary or doggy is not expected. Even in Bangkok, the BJ places are almost exclusively visited by farang.[/QUOTE]I'm talking about farang. That's why I'm posting here on a website full of them, and in English.

[QUOTE=RickRock;1920881]I'm talking about farang. That's why I'm posting here on a website full of them, and in English.[/QUOTE]I don't think there are enough long time farang residents in Chiang Mai to make it economically worthwhile to run a "BJ only" service.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1920901]I don't think there are enough long time farang residents in Chiang Mai to make it economically worthwhile to run a "BJ only" service.[/QUOTE]Going back 20 odd years, there were BJ services in Chiang Mai. If seeing a hairdresser's with all female staff and the shop window painted over black, was an indication that not only a blow dry but also a blow job was available. I tried many of those hairdressers and at the time a blow job cost no more than 200 baht, 100 baht in some places and all were young desirable girls.

Taking into consideration there were a lot less residential Farangs in the city 20 years ago than there are now, I don't accept that there are not enough customers to warrant the service and I believe it's the clampdowns that put a stop to this.

Over the last few years I have noticed there has been a discrete change of the staffing of women in the Chiang Mai massage parlors. It has now evolved into a 4 tier system.

1: Average massage parlors in and around town. Staffed by middle aged and old ladies.

2: Loi Kroh Road and close by areas low grade youngish women mostly geared up for quick happy endings some demanding up to 1200 baht for HJ excluding a so-called massage that can over and done within minutes.

3: Young more desirable girls that 7 years ago and before used to staff the average massage parlors as standard have now moved on to separate parlors sometimes calling themselves B2 B that can charge from 1500 baht up to 3000 baht for massage and HJ, and again can all be over and done with in minutes.

4: So-called soapy massage parlors where hardly anyone receives a massage, fast and furious mechanical service can charge from 1200 baht up to 3000 baht usually over in 40 minutes.

So if searching in and around town for massage parlors that are staffed by pretty girls you will be hard pushed to find any in the standard massage parlors. Big business has taken over and the women have been graded into categories according to age and looks, the higher the scale from 1 to 10 the more they charge.

The scene has really changed in Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1913132]Look for B, I know it as Kanha karaoke.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=18.788505%2C98.9851&spn=0.014206%2C0.049197&hl=en&t=h&ctz=-420&vpsrc=6&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=1rrZW1iCX5YN1DJtLDLhtSo58Ds0[/URL]

The brick bar. Niman. Soi 5 - end near Sirimangkalajarn Road, very close to Maja daytime only.[/QUOTE]Interesting Map. Not sure why he has only Thai script for names of some places: Duean Phen (Full Moon) night club and also Dee Jai Karaoke.

Perhaps because his spelling is a bit off:
Loh Kroh should be Loi Kroh, of course. Kroh sounds like Crop without the P.
NimmanHeimann should be NimmanHaemin (sounds like Nim-Marn-Hey-Min). He must be German to use Heimann (not very close). LOL. I imagine shortening to Nimmarn would be adequate.
Correct vowel sounds are very important in Thai (not in English).

Is there any sign of nightlife entertainment in Chiang mai?

[QUOTE=Forever69;1950629]Is there any sign of nightlife entertainment in Chiang mai?[/QUOTE]Yes there is. The places in the Loi Kroh Road are open but music is off or on low volume. I visited two "soapy massage" parlors. First the Celeb and there were some, not many but some, nice looking girls there. I was in a hurry and didn't check the "models" but opted for a standard girl. The day after I went to the Sayuri Complex. OMG. Way more girls and the high end girls there are truly high end. Amazingly beautiful and very nice in the room.

Mick

I was in just yesterday and it was very busy on a Tuesday at 2 pm. Not a lot of girls when I first walked in, but several started showing up. There were probably 20 punters on the couches weighing their options. Looked like all locals. There were maybe 20 girls there at first, but the numbers were going up by the time I left. I grabbed a girl for 1500. I forget how the numbers work there, but she didn't provide massage or slide. She told me that she had just come up from Bangkok because she didn't have enough customers there over the last 2 weeks. We all know why. Apparently the sallies in Chiang Mai haven't been affected as much. She said a lot of girls have come up also to work temporarily. So that's probably the reason for the increase in numbers and quality that was reported a few days back.

The service from my Issan girl was slightly above average. She wasn't into DFK, but loved DATY. She wasn't mechanical either. Decent enough GFE. She offered two pops, but I didn't go for it. She said "you no like me", 555! She was really pretty, but once the dress came off there was some baby damage. A little bit of stretch marks, and a baby zipper. She said she was 28. For 1500, I wasn't disappointed. On the way out there about 7 models hat weren't there before. They all looked really stunning! I should have stopped to ask the pricing. I'm going to make another trip to find out.

[QUOTE=Blake1;1906361]One does still exist and the prices are 400 and 500 baht ST (includes girl, barfine and room! Depending on the lady, although some might try to get 600 baht if you are a first timer. I visit them about twice a month and have taken about 10 girls there. Some were very very pretty, very young and a little bit shy (with CBJ), although these girls do not stay there very long. One girl was sent back downstairs before the deed as she would only get naked and lie on the bed with no touching allowed. And I do have repeated business with a little girl named "La", not the cutest but a 5/6 out of 10 by my standards, slim, nice breasts, average face, but a great kisser, all positions allowed, and a nice BBBJCIM finish on every occasion. She's one of the 500 baht girls. I give her 600 because she's that great in bed!

The two papasan are very friendly, the oldest even speaks decent English and I've never felt unwelcome. He gave me his telephone number, so I can now check if La is available before I go.

The place is a little bit weird and I wasn't 100% confident on my first visit. But now the girls know me and call "Laaaaaa" when they see me come 555. It's also possible to go up with two girls, I was offered that possibility a few times.

Hope they will stay in business as it is one of a rare breed now in Chiangmai![/QUOTE]Took a stroll up here today as was in the mood for some cheap and seedy fun.

Went into what I assume is the place. White frontage with black circle and no other signs.

The whole place fell silent when I walked in and people seemed to shocked that I had walked in. There were a number of girls sat about but none paid me any attention whatsoever. Tried to speak to the girl behind the bar who knew zero english and by the looks of it there was no one there at all who knew any English.

Didn't really find the place at all welcoming, maybe I caught it on a bad day and to be fair I know only very basic Thai.

[QUOTE=Dash77;1956950]Took a stroll up here today as was in the mood for some cheap and seedy fun.

Went into what I assume is the place. White frontage with black circle and no other signs.

The whole place fell silent when I walked in and people seemed to shocked that I had walked in. There were a number of girls sat about but none paid me any attention whatsoever. Tried to speak to the girl behind the bar who knew zero english and by the looks of it there was no one there at all who knew any English.

Didn't really find the place at all welcoming, maybe I caught it on a bad day and to be fair I know only very basic Thai.[/QUOTE]About 6 years ago I visited one of these places in Chiang Mai with an American friend, can't remember which one it was now.

I do speak reasonable Thai and yet the moment my friend and I walked in there the staff and the only 2 available girls stared at us as if we just arrived from the planet Mercury.

I chose a girl, it was dirt cheap only 300 baht. Was taken to a room on the fourth floor of a nearby building that looked like it was going to be a block of apartments but was never completed. As I walked into the room the floor was covered with unused and used condoms, like it hadn't been cleaned for weeks. Girl got on the bed, would only take her undies off, all the rest stayed on. I undressed, jumped on the bed next to the girl and the first thing that struck me was that the bed stunk of cats p*ss. The girl just laid there with no expression on her face, opened her legs ready for the fuck but no kissing and no other touching allowed, she just pushed me away.

After a couple of minutes I was almost throwing up from the rancid stench of cats p*ss I had to stop was feeling physically sick, got off the bed, got dressed, paid the girl and left. When I arrived home I could smell the strong odour of the cats p*ss on my body and remember spending 40 minutes under the shower to get rid of the smell.

That was the first and last time I visited those places and never again.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;1957553]About 6 years ago I visited one of these places in Chiang Mai with an American friend, can't remember which one it was now.

I do speak reasonable Thai and yet the moment my friend and I walked in there the staff and the only 2 available girls stared at us as if we just arrived from the planet Mercury.

I chose a girl, it was dirt cheap only 300 baht. Was taken to a room on the fourth floor of a nearby building that looked like it was going to be a block of apartments but was never completed. As I walked into the room the floor was covered with unused and used condoms, like it hadn't been cleaned for weeks. Girl got on the bed, would only take her undies off, all the rest stayed on. I undressed, jumped on the bed next to the girl and the first thing that struck me was that the bed stunk of cats p*ss. The girl just laid there with no expression on her face, opened her legs ready for the fuck but no kissing and no other touching allowed, she just pushed me away.

After a couple of minutes I was almost throwing up from the rancid stench of cats p*ss I had to stop was feeling physically sick, got off the bed, got dressed, paid the girl and left. When I arrived home I could smell the strong odour of the cats p*ss on my body and remember spending 40 minutes under the shower to get rid of the smell.

That was the first and last time I visited those places and never again.[/QUOTE]Even though a somewhat negative report, I enjoyed immensely. Shows that you get what you pay for, and really we need to stay away from the lowest class stuff.

Very amusing.

When I first came to Thailand for mongering 25 years ago. I had a buddy who was Khee Niaow Mak Maak (super stingy) and he always had tales of looking for super cheap girls in Chiang Mai for 50 baht to 100 Baht, and I could never understand why he needed the cheapest possible, and how it was so thrilling.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1957878]Even though a somewhat negative report, I enjoyed immensely. Shows that you get what you pay for, and really we need to stay away from the lowest class stuff.

Very amusing.

When I first came to Thailand for mongering 25 years ago. I had a buddy who was Khee Niaow Mak Maak (super stingy) and he always had tales of looking for super cheap girls in Chiang Mai for 50 baht to 100 Baht, and I could never understand why he needed the cheapest possible, and how it was so thrilling.[/QUOTE]I was also here 25 years plus ago and during those times it was a completely different scene in Chiang Mai. It was possible to pull a piece of Asian street meat for 50 baht and some of those girls had motorbikes and would pull up besides Farangs walking in the street and offer themselves to them. But it was high risk, many of my then Farang acquaintances died of AIDs as did many of those street girls. In fact the AIDS problem became such a big epidemic that they were dropping like flies and another reason why I would not go with a street girl, especially the ladyboys, it is well known that a high percentage of them are HIV positive, but anyway LBs have never been my thing. The SpotLite girls were 400 baht ST back then, bar fine about 200 baht, plus there were takeaway girls available all over the city, even what became the Computer Plaza started out as a brothel.

Good times, fond memories.

Further to my post of about three years ago, the run down agogo's in the sub-Soi very near the clock tower all appear to have closed. Some of the beer bars were still going, and some had ladies in.

JS.

I was in Chiang Mai for the Yi Peng / Loi Krathong festival from Nov. 13 to 17. I went to Celeb MP twice. The prices posted are still good. On the first night, I went around 10:30 PM. There was only one 1700 bt girl who was quite chubby. I chose an early 30's 1400 bt girl who was quite slim and pretty. I got the standard drill and was happy with the experience.

Two nights later I returned around 8 PM. The lineup was a bit better. I chose a 1700 bt girl. The service was similar to the previous girl. The only difference was the ages of the girls. Happy mongering.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1895621]I'm sure they don't otherwise we would see much more FLs roaming the streets and "normal" bars.

What you want is now taking place on various social media: ThaiFriendly, Date-in-Asia, Line and the like. Make contact there and then meet in a normal bar.[/QUOTE]It's not really the prerogative of the girls, they are not raised to think outside the box, ANY box, here.

There is also the inherent danger for a SW in a 'smaller' town like CM, where women are not on the sidewalks as much after dark as they are in downtown capital city asia. And of course the small handful of nice bars and hotels in CM would soon recognise the girls faces, and drive them out onto the street again.

Once the app (NOT smooci which is an escort front-end only) is created to allow freelancers to connect, it will be a game changer.

All the apps you mention are not designed for the sex industry, and they are hit and miss, as Arthur Tick described.

The problem I face with 'dating' sites, apart from the fact that I am not a holidaymaker looking for a 'guide' (another ruse, where, yes, they will take you around on their motosai, and hope to be the very well rewarded guide-with-benefits) is that my Mea has single friends on there, who would bust me if they saw my smiling horny face on Thai-whatever.

If the right app was there, the girls would certainly use it, instead of showing up at a bar night after night, taking pot-luck with drunk punters, and pickling their own livers, as the peer pressure to drink, and smoke is strong.

They spend their lives on their phones, an app makes perfect sense. If I was a millennial bar girl I know which option I would choose.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1903026]I actually made that map quite some time ago, it was in response to the specific question many guys have when trying to find the two cheap brothels on that road that have been referenced many times in the CM forum but are a bit of a pain to find. The context was clearly referenced in the original post.

To clarify, there are (or were, that was 2011,) two "lady houses" there which cater mainly to low income Thai clientele (tuk tuk drivers, etc.) but are open and friendly to farang. As I recall the prices were 500-650 baht for ST. The facilities are not what you might call high end, if you can't tolerate a cold shower and slum-level bedding, skip it. On the other hand, they're cheap, friendly, and can be fun if you want a change of pace from the fishbowls. Good luck, and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, I did not see the map in the original context of its post, someone had 'quoted' it without the post. I'm not the type who goes for the 'truck stop' low end girls.

I am very much into the FL / SW scene. But I am picky with SW, fortunately, in BKK and other asian big cities, quality can be found on the sidewalks, whether they are heading to or from a bar, or just moonlighting, as most of the FL at Sukhumvit Soi 7 Beergarden do.

In CM this year, 2016, I do recall seeing glamorous FL's lounging on, or in, tuk tuks near Duangtawan and Le Meridien Hotel fronts. This was some months ago and they seem to have gone. However, I also read Arthur Ticks post about police entrapment, and wonder if these were that set up? They seemed a bit incongruent, looking really nice in party frocks and the like, think AV idol style, chatting with scummy looking tuk tuk driver / pimp / cops?

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1977535]
They spend their lives on their phones, an app makes perfect sense. If I was a millennial bar girl I know which option I would choose.[/QUOTE]We already have We Chat App as example.

For the bar scene, an App replacement is just not going to work. The whole point of being in a bar, is to watch several girls concurrently, scantily clad, if clad at all, and decide if 1 in 40 appeals. Following that, call girl over for a chat, touch her, decide if she still really appeals or if the chemistry is not right, and then try another one.

How to replace all this with an App? Are we going to see the girls dancing naked on the App unshopped, and get to have a conversation with them? Why would be want to see girls in virtual if we can be in with them for real?

A major point for a massage shop is that small rooms are provided to fuck in. Without those there could be a large shortage of ST Hotel rooms.

An App has to make something simpler, quicker, easier, more reliable, and cheaper, and to be successful right? It is not so easy to achieve all those things. So have to find the right niche.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977549]We already have We Chat App as example.

For the bar scene, an App replacement is just not going to work. The whole point of being in a bar, is to watch several girls concurrently, scantily clad, if clad at all, and decide if 1 in 40 appeals. Following that, call girl over for a chat, touch her, decide if she still really appeals or if the chemistry is not right, and then try another one.

How to replace all this with an App? Are we going to see the girls dancing naked on the App unshopped, and get to have a conversation with them? Why would be want to see girls in virtual if we can be in with them for real?

A major point for a massage shop is that small rooms are provided to fuck in. Without those there could be a large shortage of ST Hotel rooms.

An App has to make something simpler, quicker, easier, more reliable, and cheaper, and to be successful right? It is not so easy to achieve all those things. So have to find the right niche.[/QUOTE]In normal circumstances I would agree with you but we are dealing with the Chiang Mai scene here and want to make clear I go along with everything Oliver says; he makes a lot of sense, but there are too many complications involved.

Bar venues with scantily clad or completely naked desirable girls are limited in Chiang Mai, in fact I don't think there are any at all, except for the handful of bars in the Loi Kroh Road which in my opinion the women are the bitter end and it's all extremely tame. The 3 main bars, Foxy Lady, Spotlight and the Star Six, that these days never have naked girls on display or in shows, are total rip-offs and still very tame compared with the bar scene in Bangkok and Pattaya. If anyone knows of any bars or other places in Chiang Mai that has desirable scantily clad or naked girls up for grabs, then PM me and as a Christmas present I will meet you there and pay for the whole evening.

Smooci is just a fast track escort booking system that probably operates with the blessings of the police and is irrelevant to this thread because like so many of these services, not available in Chiang Mai, so it's pointless even mentioning it.

An app system does operate in Chiang Mai but these are strictly Thai orientated mostly used by what are known as sideliner girls. The reason I believe women are not using this method in Chiang Mai for the service of Farangs is because they fear the police will clamp down and arrest them for openly offering sexual services either by app or online. This is because they would be operating outside the scope of the big business escort agencies that are run by gangs and the police behind the scenes, or in other words, the competition would be bad for business. I guarantee that if someone created an app service with available girls for sex, all would be arrested and shut down within 6 months. Similar has taken place in Colombo, Sri Lanka, whereas so called high class prostitutes are allowed to operate in the big 5 star hotels, but the cheap backstreet brothels were all raided and shut down by the police.

Regarding the dating sites, I again agree with Oliver. For the guys who are already in relationships don't particularly want their details and photos online for the whole world to see. Also pulling women on those sites is pot luck, could end up taking weeks to get a fuck from one of those women or not at all or maybe lucky and score first time, it's like a lottery and certainly not ideal. There are freelancer sites online, Backpage and craigslist, but Backpage does not cover Chiang Mai and the Chiang Mai section of criagslist is less than useless.

This takes us back to square one, that the Chiang Mai monger and commercial sex scene is extremely disappointing and seems unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

On New Year's eve met up with a friend in town and decided to have a few drinks, see in the New Year together and get a couple of girls to round off the night. I haven't seen this friend for 7 years and during that period we had a wow of a time in Chiang Mai New Years Eve 2009, bargirls literally throwing themselves at us. I thought this being new years eve there should be no problems in obtaining available girls considering the large numbers of tourists visiting for the occasion, I really believed they would be out in force.

Last night we first visited a bar in LK. It was crowded with mostly young couples and back packers, blaring loud music, couldn't hear ourselves think, no seats available, it was a crush standing inside and only a very girls were there that seemed to be hired by a beer company to promote the sales of beer. After one drink in there, had enough. All the bars seemed to be the same, young couples, back packers and very few girls.

Then at about 9. 45 pm we visited the Star Six bar. Business is now so bad that customers have no need to pay an entrance fee anymore; they can just walk directly into the bar. We went in and I was shocked. Appears the bar has been made smaller, still has the stage at the centre but only a little space around that with a few stools. There were 2 girls prancing around on stage and only 2 girls sitting in the bar area. No customers, not one, only me and my friend. Then literally within seconds of us sitting down the 2 girls pounced on us and then the 2 girls who were on stage joined us. An hour later 5 Chinese looking men walked in and a lone Australian guy I got chatting with and that was about it. Unlike back in the old days these girls were fully dressed, one even wearing a jacket saying she felt cold. We had a couple of drinks and felt obliged to buy the girls drinks; it was a hustle by those girls. They had 1 girl do a shower show on the stage but she was fully dressed, way too tame and I commented on that, more or less saying; this is crap. I asked one girl who targeted me; how much to go out short time? She quoted me, 2500 baht for short time plus 600 baht bar fine. I told her to forget it. Then she dropped to 2000 baht plus 600 baht bar fine. I still said; too much but she refused to budge on her price. I would have been willing to pay 1500 baht plus the 600 baht bar fine for short time. So I left it. While there had a chat with the mamasan. She told me that business is so slack that she doesn't know for how much longer the bar can remain open. This is now typical of the few remaining bars in the Loi Kroh Road and surrounding area.

Then at midnight we stood near the Tapae Gate for the countdown to 2017. Hundreds of tourists almost climbing over each other in a tightly packed area launching the balloons. After that was completed it was like someone had fired a starting pistol for everything to close. Instantly the shutters on the bars, massage parlors and restaurants began to come down. With still hundreds of tourists milling about they all began to disperse. The very few bars that did remain open were again packed to the hilt with young tourists but still very few girls.

About 12.20 am my friend and I decided there was no point in hanging around and we went our separate ways. I went for a Burger King and after that walked around looking for some action, but by then most of it was closed, no street girls, even the Spotlight and Spicy were closed. It seemed some bars were only open for privileged customers but to all the rest the doors were closed. Most of what I saw was a few freaky, creepy looking ladyboys standing in the shadows looking for business. So I gave up and went home. Celebrating the new year in town was really about going out drinking with a bunch of mates, definitely not much in the mongering department available and I certainly won't be bothering to do the same next year.

Celeb at CNX massage. This place is on Charoen Prathet Rd opp the the Soi 6 junction or opp and a bit south of Pornping Hotel. Fishbowl girls (1600 b) and sideline girls (1800 b). I took a pretty sideline girl and I guess she was one of the stars since the service was quite perfunctory.

Bar next to Celeb at CNX– can't remember the name of the bar but there were 8-9 very pretty hostesses here. They don't barfine and are just there to chat and drink with customers. 2-3 of them spoke some English. Beers and lady drinks were cheap and the girls were never pushy about ordering more drinks. Good music, good place to chill.

Foxy Lady gogo. This is on Tha Phae Soi 1, opp the Dusit D2 Hotel. Music as turned way down because TH was still in mourning. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. Maybe 2 pretty ones.

Bar complex / boxing ring. On the left of Loi Kroh as you walk towards the old city, near the junction of Kampangdin Rd. Manage to pick up a pretty one at a bar next to the StarSix gogo. I think the barfine was 500 b and LT was 2500 b. There are also a few pretty ones in the bars near the boxing ring but I suspect their job is just to pull in the punters and they don't barfine. Bought drinks for pretty girls at 2 different bars but when I asked about LT / ST they claimed they could not go with customer that night. The bars were empty on most nights but were packed with Chinese tourists on Friday night.

StarSix gogo– this is next to the bar complex / boxing ring. Girls were dancing in their bikinis. 3-4 pretty ones but the guys I was with quickly grabbed them.

Get a hotel near the Loi Kroh Rd / Chang Klan Rd junction and you will be within walking distance to all the above attractions. Email the hotel about their guest policy before you book. Many hotels I contacted charged a 500 b-800 b joiner fee.

A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1999564]A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Good question Crocodile.

Especially since, we have one in this forum claiming all the low end brothels in North and north east has been closed by yellow shirt.

Not sure Arthur tick can answer, since he told us in one his November post he hasn t been to low end places since 6 years and has no intention to come back.

So maybe you will have to investigate again Crocodile. Or follow others northern road, who knows.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1999564]A few years ago (around 2012), there used to be several low-end Thai oriented brothels in the small street between Neimmanhemenda Soi 13 and 15 or thereabouts. Very low key, 400-600 baht service, open in the daytime. Foreigners OK, but speaking Thai was useful, since we weren't their target market. Does anything remain of those?

Are there any similar places in Chiang Mai these days, either in Neimann area or elsewhere?[/QUOTE]I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.

I went into the male entertainment section of the Chiang Mai Locator website to see what was available.

I found the Anime Kawaii Shop and decided to give it a try. I went there and considered it as being the best of the worst. Details given on; CML are:

Anime Kawaii Shop is the place for gentlemen in search of a good massage by pretty girls with the possibility of a sensual twist.

Anime Kawaii Shop is one of the few places in town where you can get a proper Japanese body scrub (Akasuri). Anime does not provide body-to-body massage nor full sexual services. (Anime Kawaii shop was previously name Oshin Massage and Anime Massage.) Open from 10.30 to 24.00 daily.

They have various menus and I went for the 30 minute body scrub and 60 oil massage, combined cost, 600 baht, so not bad I thought.

My experience there and have visited 3 times now.

They have a good selection of girls and let you choose. Most are very young.

I choose a girl and she led me into the body scrub room, which is basically just a plain old shower room and a bed covered with a plastic waterproof sheet in the centre of the room. You strip off, lay on the bed, but unfortunately the girl keeps her clothes on during the whole process. She then fills a plastic dustbin with warm warmer from a shower spray hose. Then she takes a plastic type saucepan and pours water over you from the bin, followed by her using an old cloth with a type of scouring powder on the cloth and rubs it over your body, followed by more water, followed by more scrubbing and this process goes on for 30 minutes.

After the body scrub you dry off with a towel and the girl takes you upstairs to a massage room. You strip off and lie down on a floor mattress. Then the oil massage begins. Later the girl gives 2 options. A HJ for an extra 500 baht or a HJ with the girl naked for an extra 1000 baht, which mean the full monty will set you back 1600 baht. I always choose the girl naked option, couldn't resist it. But even when the girl is naked it's still very inhibited; touch her tits OK but no feely feely ass or pussy and FS a definite no, no. Also don't expect a proper professional massage, it's really just a relax rub over with hands. After the deed was done, paid the girl her 1000 baht so-called tip then paid the 600 baht menu service at the counter, said my goodbyes and went on my merry way.

The shop it's self is a dump that is counteracted by the girls being young and pretty. What I did like is that the prices are set from the start, no haggling, you know what you're getting and for how much, but in actually this is by no means a brothel, only a glorified HJ parlour.

Route description: Just across from the YMCA. From the north-western corner of the moat, take Hussadhisawee Road up north and take the first soi on the left, which is Sermsuk road. Take the second soi on the right and curve with it until you see the YMCA on your left. The shop is just a few steps down the road on the right. If not sure check it out on Google Street view or look on Chiang Mai Locator.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2002665]I have a big problem on these forums, that is I can only come across as negative because regarding the Chiang Mai commercial monger scene there is nothing positive to mention, so all I can do is apologise for that.

What you are referring to is what we used to call, the bored housewives club. They were 3 daytime brothels all next to each other. They were great, there used to be a whole group of us meet there on regular occasions. 60 baht for a large bottle of Chang beer and 300 baht for a girl, no hurried service. Sometimes I would take 2 girls when I was feeling particularly randy. The place was a complete dump, filthy and rough but we loved it and had the times of our lives there. I can remember after we finished in the huts with the girls us lads would compare together how well the girls performed. It still puts a smile on my face when I think back about those times.

But sadly those lady houses have long gone. At one time a karaoke bar opened in it's place, but think that's gone now as well and later another cheap brothel opened just a ways down in the location but believe that was levelled a couple of years a go. There is I believe still 1 cheap and nasty brothel left in Chiang Mai, somewhere around the back of the Neimann area. Go into Google search and type in Chiang Mai Locator. Then click on male entertainment in Chiang Mai. Details of the brothel are listed on there. But I have heard reports that this place is not Farang friendly, so it's really just a case of visiting and see how things work out.[/QUOTE]Well if I follow the link you give us, this closure is not so old and due to building project. Nothing to do with yellow shirt VS red shirt theory.

Maybe like in others towns, these places has been simply relocated somewhere else in Chiang Mai.

#Not farang friendly# I always this expression based on what? I don t know. In 18 years I've never meet a local brothel not farang friendly. But massage parlor (like Japanese only) yes. Of course in local brothels if you come everyday and never take any girls, the papasan or the mamasan will be irritated. , if like some trolls you claimed your money back because the girl doesn't filled your expectations don t be surprised if they showed you a machete or a baton.

Poor CrocodileXP he will have to explore again Chiang Mai in the search of eventual low end brothels. Or maybe explored others northern roads?

Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2005681]Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht.

Copy and paste this: เ3604;3655;3585;3652;3595;3604;3660;3652;3621;3609;3660; into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.[/QUOTE]It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;2005824]It could well be that the Chiang Mai girls you describe are not all that interested in having a farang screw the hell out of her all night long when short time with a short stick fills the bill.[/QUOTE]Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

The crux of the matter is; it's not the price but whatever the amount is; can we get value for money? A mate hired a Thai escort for 2 hours in Bangkok. She demanded 5000 baht for turning up and another 7000 baht for FS upfront. My mate said she was charming and sexy at first, then after he paid the money and got down to do the deed, she just laid there like a dummy, totally inhibited and went stone cold. She kept prompting him to hurry up and get it over with. After 10 minutes it became so boring that he couldn't perform and she had to finish him with a HJ. It was all over in 20 minutes flat. 12000 baht that cost him and he told me that was the biggest anti climax of his whole life.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008421]Preferences don't fall into this, it's all about money and they all have their price.

[/QUOTE]Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2008448]Why don't you Just move to pattaya? Still good full service there for 600 the way I think you want it. Chiang Mai isn't for you obviously since it is a place where most can find a girlfriend easily but not much on the street aside from a few ladyboys apparently. No need to reiterate endlessly about some good ole times. Or learn the thai language and use the dek sideliners you describe, or maybe hire a thai girl / boy to book them for you.[/QUOTE]I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008525]I go to Bangkok for 2 weeks once every 3 months. I choose some girls on Thai Friendly and arrange to meet them there. Not as cheap as you think, but I do get what I pay for. As for reiterating about the good old days, I am simply giving comparisons to how CM used to be in the past and how it is today and considering this is the Chiang Mai section of the ISG; what else would you prefer to read on this thread?[/QUOTE]I get your point about the past. Now, having made that point, let's move on. So what if the past was better? We don't live in the past; we live in the present.

So, I (and I am sure many others as well) would be pleased to see you focusing your comments on "what is" today, and not "what was" yesterday.

SW4.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2005681]Last night I read an online blog that described the Thai dek sideline scene. Delved into it more and discovered there is a whole monger parallel universe out there.

There are Thai sites that for a small joining fee give access to hundreds of the real beautiful young Chiang Mai girls advertising their services and there are also hundreds of these girls openly advertising on facebook. Mostly students wanting to earn money for their education or just young girls wanting money to buy their Iphones and fancy goods the easy way. They are well organised using cell phone numbers and ID Line for contact. The going rates are 2000 baht, but considering what it can cost to visit a soapy massage or a no FS B2 B massage and then keeping in mind the amount 2 hours with an escort can cost I think that's a bargain for an 18,19 or 20 year old. These girls you won't find working in a bar or massage parlors.

There are youngish women advertising on dating sites for older Farang men, the most famous being Thai Friendly, but of course these are only going to be the small minority that can read, write and understand some basic English whereas the majority of dek sideline girls will not speak, read and write English language, plus most of the these young women on dating sites will be looking for mugs to sponsor them long term and rarely do they go short time except for silly sums of money. What this amounts to is that we may share the same spaces but are living in totally different worlds and in their world they are running a full blown operation for available young Thai pussy. Besides not being English speakers I also believe these dek line girls are reluctant to cater for Farangs because it would bring too much attention and although is on a vast scale the Thais prefer to keep it discretely among themselves without the involvement of foreigners. It has made me realise that most of the Thai women available to Farangs are mainly the dross or if the women are highly desirable it's going to cost a lot more than 2000 baht. By the way, my Thai is limited.

into Google search both in the all and images section and this world will open up to you. But what frustrates me is that unless a Farang can speak, read and write fluently in Thai then are no ways to enter into their world. What this means is that in Chiang Mai the commercial sex scene for Farangs is virtually stagnant yet for Thais it is booming so we as foreigners are losing out and not enjoying the real adult sex scene that Chiang Mai has to offer.[/QUOTE]I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2008763]I reported on this many times in the Bangkok thread. By the way, they are not Dek sideline girls. This is just the name of one web site. I have had many sessions and can tell you the best way to get started.

Believe it or not, most of the girls have a handler who books their customers for them. They will work out of a rented room if they are alone or a shared apartment with other working ladies. They mostly don't do out calls and the line accounts they use in their ads are often programmed with automatic replies. 80% are actually well organized prostitution rings so it takes a lot of weeding out to find the true sideline girls working independently to put themselves through school. Most of your observations are incorrect, so if you want the real story, feel free to PM or read my post in the Bangkok thread.

This is not a new discovery to say the least.[/QUOTE]I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008871]I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]I already have. You can search for my reports. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2008871]I checked out many of your posts on the threads and they virtually all come across as knowing everything, are objectionable, confrontational and aggressive to those who don't agree with you. Guarantee I have more experience of the Chiang Mai monger scene than you do. As for your claims to have knowledge of the real facts pertaining to my post, why would I need to PM you? Why not share your valuable knowledge and let us all in on the secret? I tell you why, it's because you are a load of hot air blowing in the wind and don't have sources for your information.

So either put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]It is true that BKK Dog has posted about this type of mongering scene before. While you are new to it, he clearly was not. So if was me, I would take note of his warnings. Get thick skinned if necessary. I do speak Thai and message girls in Thai script so this world is open to me. However I am not in Chiang Mai often and would not go there for mongering. In Bangkok I have been concentrating on a few regular somewhat independent girls that I make appointments with using LINE. One is studying fashion design and another studying accounting degree. I don't have the energy to meet lots of girls via Backpage website or Dek sideline etc. A lot of the time I am too lazy to travel to the girl's location when her pics are not quite stunning. So my experience is not that broad in looking for independent girls online and am willing to learn. I have collected some LINE ids of prettier girls and still did not get around to pulling the trigger on most of them. The pretty ones must be inundated with messages from Thai boys, so it makes sense that the girls would need an automated Robot message answering and automated posting on web sites. If girls are really students, they have little time for mucking around messaging with heaps of guys, that are only potential customers. So makes sense to use handlers to try to weed out the waste of time people.

For one beauty I do occasionally, I am prepared to go to Lat Prao for her, however she is not in BKK that much. She studies in another province which I may have to consider visiting.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2009335]It is true that BKK Dog has posted about this type of mongering scene before. While you are new to it, he clearly was not. So if was me, I would take note of his warnings. Get thick skinned if necessary. I do speak Thai and message girls in Thai script so this world is open to me. However I am not in Chiang Mai often and would not go there for mongering. In Bangkok I have been concentrating on a few regular somewhat independent girls that I make appointments with using LINE. One is studying fashion design and another studying accounting degree. I don't have the energy to meet lots of girls via Backpage website or Dek sideline etc. A lot of the time I am too lazy to travel to the girl's location when her pics are not quite stunning. So my experience is not that broad in looking for independent girls online and am willing to learn. I have collected some LINE ids of prettier girls and still did not get around to pulling the trigger on most of them. The pretty ones must be inundated with messages from Thai boys, so it makes sense that the girls would need an automated Robot message answering and automated posting on web sites. If girls are really students, they have little time for mucking around messaging with heaps of guys, that are only potential customers. So makes sense to use handlers to try to weed out the waste of time people.

For one beauty I do occasionally, I am prepared to go to Lat Prao for her, however she is not in BKK that much. She studies in another province which I may have to consider visiting.[/QUOTE]Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2012363]Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]One might realise that mechanisms for hooking up with girls online, are not going to vary so much from place to place, be it Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or wherever. How it works is going to be similar.

Instead of being so arrogant, we should all realise we have new things to learn, and can have distorted perspectives when new to something. I am will willing to learn from useful experiences of others, especially as have found mongering in Chiang Mai to be pretty unsatisfactory to date, other than some Soapy visits too many years back.

If you don't want to benefit from what has been learned by others about connecting with girls online, so be it. I hate to see the forum, being a competition for each poster to be the most knowledgeable one, and dump shit on all the others.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012475]

If you don't want to benefit from what has been learned by others about connecting with girls online, so be it. I hate to see the forum, being a competition for each poster to be the most knowledgeable one, and dump shit on all the others.[/QUOTE]You can lead the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2012807]You can lead the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.[/QUOTE]Or, as Dorothy Parker (I think) put it:

'You can lead a working girl to culture but you can't make her think'.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2012363]Here we go again, another round of useless dribble.

You would not go to Chiang Mai for mongering, so what's your point in posting on the Chiang Mai forum? Being as I live in Chiang Mai I am only interested in what's available in this city, your information is of no use at all for those living or visiting Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]So how to hook up wth sideline girls is not useful information for Chainagmai? I didn't know that the profession only existed in Chiangmai. I guess all the sideline girls in Bangkok actually work for 7/11.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2016188]So how to hook up wth sideline girls is not useful information for Chainagmai? I didn't know that the profession only existed in Chiangmai. I guess all the sideline girls in Bangkok actually work for 7/11.[/QUOTE]Instead of going around in circles, why don't posters just give the appropriate forum and post numbers of what is relevant to this topic rather then saying; PM me or expecting those interested to search all their past posts to try and seek them out? Only need to point to the exact location rather than turn this into a guess the riddle or do you think that would make it too easy?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2016253]Instead of going around in circles, why don't posters just give the appropriate forum and post numbers of what is relevant to this topic rather then saying; PM me or expecting those interested to search all their past posts to try and seek them out? Only need to point to the exact location rather than turn this into a guess the riddle or do you think that would make it too easy?[/QUOTE]Instead of going around in circles, why don't some forum members RTFF before accusing others about not posting about a topic when they actually have? I didn't know any senior members until now that needed to be spoon fed.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2016618]Instead of going around in circles, why don't some forum members RTFF before accusing others about not posting about a topic when they actually have? I didn't know any senior members until now that needed to be spoon fed.[/QUOTE]You are still going around in circles and your posts are hardly informative. You're just making arguments for arguments sake. What's the point of trolling me, just cough up with some helpful info that I doubt you have.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2016635]You are still going around in circles and your posts are hardly informative. You're just making arguments for arguments sake. What's the point of trolling me, just cough up with some helpful info that I doubt you have.[/QUOTE]For the handicapped seniors like Arthur:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1932431[/URL]#post1932431.

Just one of the many times I've discussed this topic. Use your superman Ninja Chiangmai ISG skills to hunt down the rest of my posts. It's takes a lot of energy I know to use the search feature. There are about 10 more posts you can easily find.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2016896]For the handicapped seniors like Arthur:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1932431[/URL]#post1932431.

Just one of the many times I've discussed this topic. Use your superman Ninja Chiangmai ISG skills to hunt down the rest of my posts. It's takes a lot of energy I know to use the search feature. There are about 10 more posts you can easily find.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2018826]Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.[/QUOTE]

I tried to post the correct thing to search for in Thai Characters but the forum won't accept the post. If you want to know what to search for in Thai, then PM me. I've just come up with plenty of available options in Chiangmai.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2018834]I tried to post the correct thing to search for in Thai Characters but the forum won't accept the post. If you want to know what to search for in Thai, then PM me. I've just come up with plenty of available options in Chiangmai.[/QUOTE]It is possible to get Thai Script into a post. I suggest firstly, post without Thai script, then edit and paste Thai script in. Save.

Unfortunately, if you edit post again after that, the Thai script can be lost, or you need to repaste it back in again.
Instead stuff like this appears: &# 3626; without the space. Sometimes I edit and Thai Script remains O.K. in displayed page based on those symbols. It's not reliable, and I have not yet detected the exact reason. In example below I change the size of the script.

Keep a copy of your post in Word or some other suitable editor, in case you need to paste entire post back in again.

It may not be possible to post URL links containing Thai Script. I haven't tried that.


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[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2018826]Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.[/QUOTE]Search this: Chiangmai sideline girls- เชียงใหม่ เด็กไซด์ไลน์

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2018826]Thanks for the info BKKdog. I done a Google translate on all your links and could not find even one located in Chiang Mai. Sometime ago I also found those links, only need to do a search in Google and a few more, but as I said; not easy for Farangs to break into that Thai orientated mongering scene. But I will do some more research into the Chiang Mai dek sideline girls and will report if I gain any good results.[/QUOTE]Again, Dek sideline is one of the many websites, not the general term for anyone to search.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2019147]Again, Dek sideline is one of the many websites, not the general term for anyone to search.[/QUOTE]Actually as a general term Thais are using both 'Saao Sideline' and 'Dek Sideline' and there is at least one site incorporating the term Dek but more sites seem to refer to "Saao Sideline". Saao means a young girl, and Dek technically means a child but Thais and Japanese like to use terms like this for youngish school girls hooking part time, hopefully over the legal age.

A couple of example web sites:

[URL]https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=44[/URL] a Thai site not of much use to anyone here unless your Thai is damn good.

This and another site called [URL]Sexysideline.com[/URL], as examples, are not general and not specific to Chiang Mai, naturally.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-side-line-girls-and-agents-in-chiang-mai-p38[/URL] a more general site in English explaining the scene, with some emphasis on Chiang Mai, but general principals could apply equally in other provinces.

Full time hookers are not considered Sideline girls. School girls only hooking part time, are considered to be Sideline girls.

Personally I have done the odd uni student hooking rather part time, however I did not use the Thai terminology for them. One was studying in Khon Kaen. They were simply part time girls, showing up whenever they pleased and got no salary. I kept in contact using LINE App. I found that some of these students had to concentrate on their studies a lot, and even when not studying had appointments with friends. So time available for hooking was very low overall. So it's not that great when I want specific girls, at the time I am available.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019288]

Personally I have done the odd uni student hooking rather part time, however I did not use the Thai terminology for them. One was studying in Khon Kaen. They were simply part time girls, showing up whenever they pleased and got no salary. I kept in contact using LINE App. I found that some of these students had to concentrate on their studies a lot, and even when not studying had appointments with friends. So time available for hooking was very low overall. So it's not that great when I want specific girls, at the time I am available.[/QUOTE]Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2019344]Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.[/QUOTE]I thank BKKdog for all his efforts and links, very much appreciated.

I went into one of his Chiang Mai links and then done a Google translate job on the site. But it really is mind boggling. The Thai to English translation is awful, a lot of the descriptions used I could not understand and trying to guess what the jumbled translated English ads and comments mean is a very difficult task. Then I thought, if I try to contact one of those girls in English, machine translated into Thai, the situation is going to be the same for them only in reverse. I really cannot see how making any clear communications with them is possible. The only way I can think of bagging one of those sideline girls is by having a Thai friend do all the communicating on the site and on ID Line.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2019344]Maybe now that you are on the topic you could explain some of the terminology since most of us don't read thai.

A friend told me two sisters means ladyboy. What is a moaklerbag? It comes up with google translate- most other stuff is relatively clear.[/QUOTE]I did not look closely at those Thai web pages, before. Looked at some at time BKK Dog posted on them previously.

I very much doubt that two sisters means ladyboy (doesn't make any sense), however in Thai, Ladyboys are generally known euphemistically as "girls of the 2nd type". A translate software could easily stuff that up.

"girls type 2" could somehow come out as "2 girls" maybe.

Generally speaking, Thais on forums use a very unusual style of Thai including misspelled words, and made-up words, and significant slang. A Translate software could have a great deal of difficulty with it. Translate software for Thai to English does a fairly crappy job at the best of times. I guess these promotional adverts posted, should be not too difficult and contain some basic info, with a lot of drivel.

No clue how translate came out with Moaklerbag. That does not look like an English word.

My suggestion for Thai sites and translate of them it just to get an overall flavour of the style, without being able to understand every bit of the nonsense that will come out.

I give 3 examples now that I translated myself, which should be a bit better than the translate software, but sometimes I don't fully understand.

Example: "ID: golf_vios Pretty Phitsanulok girl, 'transparent' girl in style of schoolgirl, have young sisters, have changed to a new page, to have you choose every day, real white girls, good service, guarantee the looks, have a high desire together. ".

Another very brief: " sl Chaingmai sideline Chiangmai girls servicing Chaingmai okay Khaaaaaa! Line: sweetnightt + . ".

Here is an interesting one:

"Selling view by phone though the camera (videocam), take it all off, you can make requests, service like a girl friend, guarantee your excitement / arousal, can keep the time, I do till you you cum, I sell nude pics too, and nude video clips, see the face, fresh new camera, no hassle, are you guys interested? If interested contact on LINE: maykwang11".

In my case, to get interested in any of these girls, I need to see what they look like, and if pretty could will be interested. My Khon Kaen Uni student was especially pretty. Selecting her had nothing to do with her being a student. That was just coincidence. I just like pretty girls that like to fuck.

I thought was hard work looking through lots of Thai girl posts on sites with pics to find any girls that appealed to me. Did find a couple. I would not bother to try to read the Thai script, unless the girl's look really appealed.

One reason translate is so poor is that in Isaan (northeast Thailand) people speak Isaan which is in fact the Lao language, they are all bilingual. I saw this with my own eyes. I took an Isaan girl to Lao and she spoke fluently with everyone we met. She could not read a single word of course! The funny thing is that Isaan people use the thai characters for writing. If you cut and paste this into translate it absolutely mashes it up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019474]
No clue how translate came out with Moaklerbag. That does not look like an English word.
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[/QUOTE]I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2019878]I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.[/QUOTE]Without having the Thai script relevant I have little chance. I don't want to go hunting for it. Not that energetic. If you want to post the Thai script not too lengthy together with the auto translate, I could make an attempt.

Might be fun to see how auto translate varies from my translate. I would be surprised if Google translate can do a good job unless very simple very precise language used.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2019878]I know that. I googled it. What you would need to do is what we do, go on the thai site, right click, translate to english and find all these funny terms, go back find them in thai and make a translation for us. If it wasn't thailand I would think it is a condom. Since it is very frequently used. By the way I did answer a couple of ads, A. T. ,in simplest english and got some response, if the girl does not know any english at all she will not want to deal with us anyway. They all have google translate on their phone.[/QUOTE]It seems the only hope of communicating with sideline girls online, is to learn a whole new language, Yinglish, plus all the regional variations and dialects that go with it.

If I start now, within the next 2 years I might be quite proficient at it. Better idea; maybe we could all chip in together and pay a Thai translator to do all the communicating and bidding for us? As a matter of fact this could turn out to be a lucrative business for a Thai proficient in English and Thai languages.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2019474]Here is an interesting one:

"Selling view by phone though the camera (videocam), take it all off, you can make requests, service like a girl friend, guarantee your excitement / arousal, can keep the time, I do till you you cum, I sell nude pics too, and nude video clips, see the face, fresh new camera, no hassle, are you guys interested? If interested contact on LINE: maykwang11".
[/QUOTE]Compare my translate of the Thai above to the auto translate of the page below:

"Selling a phone through the camera to remove all orders made to order. The service like a fan of the phone can be used to make time to complete the sale of his own porn. Sell ​8203;your porn clips in front of the camera is not very interested in if you interested contact Line: maykwang11. ".

You can see the auto Translate is a bit jumbled, and also misinterpreted some things. Important points were missed completely. It is not even clear the girl is selling a webcam strip show. "remove all orders" ha ha. That should have been "remove all of her clothes" LOL Sometimes the Thai script omits words that are understood. "Remove everything" clearly means the clothes, but an auto translate does not have that level of intuition.

The auto translate dropped some points completely like that she would show her face on the naked video stream.

So I warn guys that communication with girls via a translate software is very flawed and misunderstandings are quite easy to occur.

I include the Thai for anyone that can read it:

ขายวิวโฟน ผ่านกล้อง ถอดหมด สั่งได้ ทำตามสั่งได้ทุกแบบ บริการเหมือนแฟน รับโฟนสียว สามารถเก๊บเวลาได้ ทำให้จนเสร็จ ขายรูปโป๊ของตัวเองคะ ขายคลิปโป๊ของตัวเอง เหนหน้า กล้องสด ไม่เรื่องมาก มีพี่ๆคลไหนสนใจป่าว ถ้าสนใจ ติดต่อ Line : maykwang11

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2019538]One reason translate is so poor is that in Isaan (northeast Thailand) people speak Isaan which is in fact the Lao language, they are all bilingual. I saw this with my own eyes. I took an Isaan girl to Lao and she spoke fluently with everyone we met. She could not read a single word of course! The funny thing is that Isaan people use the thai characters for writing. If you cut and paste this into translate it absolutely mashes it up.[/QUOTE]While most of this is true, it is not very relevant as to why plain Thai writing is mashed by the Auto Translate:

Another example:
ขาว หุ่นดี หน้าเด็ก เนื้อนุ่ม นมมหาลัย บริการประทับใจ
สนใจติดต่อขอรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมได้ที่

Auto Translate:
White puppies in front of children, soft milk, college milk service impressed.
Please contact us for more details.

My Translate:
White skin, good figure, baby face, soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service, if interested, you can contact us for more details.

Nothing whatsoever that could be translated to "puppies". LOL It just imagined that word or is trying to use it as a euphemism for something, but the tits had not been at all mentioned at that stage of the script. So that is mystifying. First word by itself is just "White". That has to be interpreted as white skin, not white puppies. LOL.

Part of the problem, is that the Thai does not use proper sentences. It is just a string of words, or clauses. The translate should be capable of seeing spaces between things in the Thai which suggest things to be translated separately, not combined.

I have been chatting for weeks with a girl I met last month in BKK, and I agree. The online translators are a mess. I find it best when I write to her to use the english- thai translator, then run it back through the thai- english one to make sure the main ideas made it through. I'm sure this dumbs down what I'm writing to the level of a second grader, but at least I have the impression she knows what I'm writing.

Often I can't make heads or tails of what she is saying. Which in some ways makes it fun because I can just blatantly ignore messages that are gobbledegook.

Back from Songkran in Chiangmai. Two forgettable FS sessions but two enjoyable massages, one worth mentioning at Natchan opposite May Ping hotel. Her name is Fah cute fresh faced 22 yr old from Ubon. Been working for only one month but I tell you she gave me one of the most sensual massages I've ever experienced. Incredible soft hands and a seemingly natural ability at knowing her way around the male body. She had my full attention when coyly asking "you want special". She asked for a 1000 and for a minute I thought it was over before she accepted 500. I got the feeling she often gets the 1000. Anyway she resumes expertly massaging the shaft the sack the perineum and the asshole. She was reluctant to allow touching at first but then really got into it. I have had lots of HJ's where the objective is to get you off quickly but with Fah she takes her time and it was at least 15 glorious minutes before I popped. I went back twice next day but she was working on both occasions so I decided I would leave the experience for now as simply a sublime memory.

I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2023730]I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).[/QUOTE]As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2023730]I don't know what it does or the Thai language, but when I am using translate to talk to an Isaan girl on "line" the translate does a terrible job. It's only because they are using Thai characters to talk another language, IE Issan (which is the same as Lao).[/QUOTE]My GF sometimes speaks to me in Issan dialect (just to tease me I suspect since I understand perhaps only 50% of Issan. The real easy stuff or words common with Thai). However when she messages me, it is virtually always plain Thai. It is possible for her to throw in a simple Issan phrase in Thai script for fun, e. G. (here converted to Romanised) "Bor bpen nyang dork" (mai bpen rai. No worries) or "bpai la der" (let's go). However not common.

Normally Issan girls can type plain Thai script very well. So I am surprised if your girl really makes it difficult by using Issan in a message. Perhaps you can post an example phrase (in the Thai script), and I can confirm if it is really Issan dialect, since you would not be able to tell yourself, most likely.

The two girls I know that really mess up their Thai script somewhat are non Thai girls, one from northern mountains of Myanmar, and other from Savanakhet (Laos) who likes to use Issan like spellings of some words (Seu rather than Cheu, hak rather than rak). Real Thai girls make spelling mistakes or typos like anyone else, but otherwise it should be good Thai. Almost all Thai girls can speak plain Thai too.

Remember that auto translators already stuff up converting plain Thai to English, quite badly, so I will be surprised if Issan dialect is really used to make it totally impossible to work.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2023840]As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. [/QUOTE]A language is an unbreakable code, unless the language is known somewhat. Americans used the Navaho native language as a basis for an unbreakable code during the war, since the enemy had no knowledge of the language whatsoever. Meanwhile the German's Enigma machine code, was breakable and assisted firstly by the "bombe" machine of rotating turrets, and later code breaking was done by the world's first computer Collossus. A completely unknown language is not breakable by computers. The language has to be learned by exposure to massive amounts of it in a meaningful context.

Google translate should be trying to match phrases or parts of phrases to known already translated texts, and failing that look up short phrases or words in dictionaries, and have some clues about the language grammar structure. Then it has to pick one of several possible meanings of a word based on context. Thai has such loose grammar structure and omission of implied words, that going from Thai to English maybe more difficult than the reverse. Many Thai words can be used as several of nouns, adjectives, verbs, and adverbs all from the same word. From structure of a sentence the program has to decide which it is.

e.g. "geng" = to be skilful (verb), skilful (adj), skilfully (adverb)
"Thorasap" = to telephone (verb), or Telephone (noun)
"Khmer" can be noun or adjective

A Thai pronoun like "khao" could mean he, she, or they, and my GF even uses it to mean "I" or "me". Needs a smart program to guess which one. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2024088]A language is an unbreakable code, unless the language is known somewhat. Americans used the Navaho native language as a basis for an unbreakable code during the war, since the enemy had no knowledge of the language whatsoever. Meanwhile the German's Enigma machine code, was breakable and assisted firstly by the "bombe" machine of rotating turrets, and later code breaking was done by the world's first computer Collossus. A completely unknown language is not breakable by computers. The language has to be learned by exposure to massive amounts of it in a meaningful context.

Google translate should be trying to match phrases or parts of phrases to known already translated texts, and failing that look up short phrases or words in dictionaries, and have some clues about the language grammar structure. Then it has to pick one of several possible meanings of a word based on context. Thai has such loose grammar structure and omission of implied words, that going from Thai to English maybe more difficult than the reverse. Many Thai words can be used as several of nouns, adjectives, verbs, and adverbs all from the same word. From structure of a sentence the program has to decide which it is.

e.g. "geng" = to be skilful (verb), skilful (adj), skilfully (adverb)
"Thorasap" = to telephone (verb), or Telephone (noun)
"Khmer" can be noun or adjective

A Thai pronoun like "khao" could mean he, she, or they, and my GF even uses it to mean "I" or "me". Needs a smart program to guess which one. LOL[/QUOTE]Many of my ancestors came from Holland and I have been working on my family history for a number of years. This often involves using Google to translate Dutch into English and even then the translated English sentences can be mumbo jumbo. But being I am translating one European language to another European language it gives me a fighting chance of making sense of it all and eventually I manage to create an article in perfect English translated from the Dutch.

But translating an Asian language into a European language is a completely different ballgame, often there are no translations from certain Asian languages into English, so it becomes a guessing game. I find it really frustrating. It amazes me that after many years these machine translation services are unable to provide credible translations and can be at times completely useless, only giving a hint of the meanings of translated words. Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.

I should clarify this, I have not been clear. My Isaan girlfriend will post comments onto facebook or line (for all to read, not just me). These comments will be in the Isaan language (Lao) using Thai characters. They are really meant for consumption by her friends. I cut and paste them into translate to try and figure out what they are talking about. That is when the translation mashes it all up. Sorry, when she chats with me she uses "correct" Thai only rarely, mostly it is in English.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2024212] Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.[/QUOTE]Free of charge of course.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2024212].
But translating an Asian language into a European language is a completely different ballgame, often there are no translations from certain Asian languages into English, so it becomes a guessing game. I find it really frustrating. It amazes me that after many years these machine translation services are unable to provide credible translations and can be at times completely useless, only giving a hint of the meanings of translated words. Hoping in the future someone will invent an automatic translation system that actually works.[/QUOTE]I have the same problem with Tagalog (Philippino), which all of the translation software bungles completely and the result is simply often gibberish. Given that Tagalog has no tenses and no conjugations, perhaps this is understandable. The problem in the Philippines (and perhaps Thailand) is that locals freely mix Tagalog with words and verbs from the regional patois (such as Visayan) with the result being a melange of at least two languages.

GE.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2025711]Free of charge of course.[/QUOTE]It is free of charge now and no one has come up with it. The power of "for profit" will come up with it!

We can wish for everything free and get nothing.

[QUOTE=Forever69;2025711]Free of charge of course.[/QUOTE]Sometimes when a service is offered for free and doesn't work, then that still amounts to receiving nothing, free or otherwise. If I offered you a mouldy past it's sell by date bar of chocolate, then in fact I am not giving you anything. I could say; I know it's useless, but it is free, so be grateful.

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable price for an automatic translation service that is accurate and works, but at the moment that option is not available. It would be well worth the price because being able to text in legible translated Thai and vice versa would open up many doors for us in Thailand that are presently keeping us firmly locked on the outside.

I have learned there is a booming mongers scene in Chiang Mai that is restricted and limited to us because of the language barriers. So paying for a decent service would be of great benefit and I'm sure many would be up for it.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2025782]Sometimes when a service is offered for free and doesn't work, then that still amounts to receiving nothing, free or otherwise. If I offered you a mouldy past it's sell by date bar of chocolate, then in fact I am not giving you anything. I could say; I know it's useless, but it is free, so be grateful.

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable price for an automatic translation service that is accurate and works, but at the moment that option is not available. It would be well worth the price because being able to text in legible translated Thai and vice versa would open up many doors for us in Thailand that are presently keeping us firmly locked on the outside.

I have learned there is a booming mongers scene in Chiang Mai that is restricted and limited to us because of the language barriers. So paying for a decent service would be of great benefit and I'm sure many would be up for it.[/QUOTE]I don't think you have the patience for it. With a little persistence, and tech savvy, you can enter that scene too.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2025782]

I would have no objections against paying a reasonable price[/QUOTE]Are you telling me after probably 10 + years in chiang mai enjoying cheap food and lodging and thai hospitality you have no thai relation that would for a small price pound the keys on your behalf? What does that mean?

[QUOTE=Forever69;2026106]Are you telling me after probably 10 + years in chiang mai enjoying cheap food and lodging and thai hospitality you have no thai relation that would for a small price pound the keys on your behalf? What does that mean?[/QUOTE]What does it mean? It means I have failed, not only myself but also all the other posters on here as well. I must withdraw myself from society, become a monk and reflect on where I've gone wrong in life.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2025785]I don't think you have the patience for it. With a little persistence, and tech savvy, you can enter that scene too.[/QUOTE]I haven't tried it for chatting, but for other things I've found this one works much better than Google: [URL]https://www.thai2english.com/[/URL].

Was using it for a bit while trying to learn Thai too. I failed, but will take it up again soon I hope.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2020246]While most of this is true, it is not very relevant as to why plain Thai writing is mashed by the Auto Translate:

Another example:
ขาว หุ่นดี หน้าเด็ก เนื้อนุ่ม นมมหาลัย บริการประทับใจ
สนใจติดต่อขอรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมได้ที่

Auto Translate:
White puppies in front of children, soft milk, college milk service impressed.
Please contact us for more details.

My Translate:
White skin, good figure, baby face, soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service, if interested, you can contact us for more details.

Nothing whatsoever that could be translated to "puppies". LOL It just imagined that word or is trying to use it as a euphemism for something, but the tits had not been at all mentioned at that stage of the script. So that is mystifying. First word by itself is just "White". That has to be interpreted as white skin, not white puppies. LOL.

Part of the problem, is that the Thai does not use proper sentences. It is just a string of words, or clauses. The translate should be capable of seeing spaces between things in the Thai which suggest things to be translated separately, not combined.[/QUOTE]I fed the same example into [URL]thai2english.com[/URL]:

"khao" to be white; light coloured.
"hun dee" good puppet.
"na thek" childish face.
"nua-num nom-maha-a-lai bor-ri-gaan-bpr-tap-jai" Nueanum Namomhalai Borikanprathapchai.

I don't see it is doing much better than Google, and the last phrase shown here is not translated at all for some reason. It should have been translated as "soft flesh, college girl tits, impressive service" or approximation.

So I have to remain sceptical to it's use for translating colloquial phrases that girls might write. I will try it on some formal Thai script another time and see how close it gets.

Anyone knows that the very common Thai expression "hun dee" means (the girl) has a good figure. "Good puppet" does not cut it. It means the software is not recognising a phrase and attempting to translate individual words without using context to choose the right meaning, when a word has several alternate meanings.

If a Thai word always had exactly one meaning and one way to translate it, then the software could do well. In reality to do well, it has to recognise common phrases, and at least groups of words that occur next to each other often.

If they don't have an adequate database of translated phrases, and a method to match them, why bother? If a word like "hun" has 3 or 4 meanings, it makes no sense to select any one of those meanings. Hence out came "puppet", a rare meaning for "hun" instead of "figure" a more common meaning. "mannequin" is another possible meaning.

Thai-language.com is a dictionary and sometimes recognises common expressions.
Fed this expression:

หุ่นดี

into it (hun dee) and it came up with:
(of male physique and female figure) well-built, in great shape.

So why does it do better than "good puppet"? O.K. Just got lucky this time. Most of the other expressions, less common, it would not know.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2028186]I haven't tried it for chatting, but for other things I've found this one works much better than Google: [URL]https://www.thai2english.com/[/URL].

Was using it for a bit while trying to learn Thai too. I failed, but will take it up again soon I hope.[/QUOTE]Sorry it certainly is not a method for helping to learn Thai. Perhaps you did not intend that meaning. You can use a dictionary to get all the possible meanings for a Thai word.

Did anyone try the Studio Spa?

Shown on this web page. I guess Kapoo clubs are called Spas these days:

[URL]http://www.kapooclubwebboard.net/forum/index.php?topic=1527.0[/URL]

Scroll past the advertising to get to Map and pics.
I am yet to really get into Kapoo clubs due to fear of "dick scared " girls. However appeals to me more than wasting time meeting crappy girls online.

A few days ago I was looking at the male entertainments section on the Chiang Mai Locator.

Found the Victoria Club Massage, which claims for 1199 baht, you get 1 hour with a girl, includes shower with her, body to body massage and HJ all inclusive. It gave an ID Line address, so I contacted them via ID Line and asked, does this include the girl being naked or does that cost more? Received a reply; yes, the price includes everything. Thought; sounds like a good deal, so I'll give it a try and visited there last Tuesday, May 2nd, at 7. 30 pm.

Not easy to find. Directions: if the holiday Inn is on your left on the Lamphun Road Tumbol what Kate (106), almost opposite the Holiday Inn on the right is a Caltex petrol station or gasoline station is you're a yank. Go past the petrol station on your right and turn right into the first soi on the right, soi 9. Travel down there about 500 metres and the Victoria Club massage is on the left. Check it out on Google Street view if not sure.

Went in there and it was the strangest massage parlour set-up I have ever seen in Chiang Mai. It appeared to be a house transformed into a massage parlour. As I walked in there was an old lady, probably the mother, 2 young children, a boy and a girl, probably grandchildren and 2 young women, looked like sisters, one who was mother of the children. So this was a family affair. The mother of the 2 children greeted me, spoke a little English, I asked for a 1 hour oil massage and she replied, this is an exotic massage, I said fine, she gave me a menu and I opted for 1 hour the 1199 baht B2 B.

Without hardly any conversation she swiftly took me to a room upstairs that appeared to have been a bedroom at one time, had a mattress on the floor. I got undressed and she got undressed. Body not bad only she had lots of stretch marks that was a bit of a turn off. Average looking; give it a 4 out of 10. I asked her age and she said; 24, but I thought she looked 31 to 32 being more realistic. She led me to a shower room where she gave me a quick wash over with the spray hose, lasted about 5 minutes, if that. Back to the room, laid me on my stomach, massaged the bottom of my legs mostly, and then she slid up and down my back for about 1 minute, all in all lasted under 10 minutes. Turned me over, began the HJ almost immediately. She did let me finger her pussy, but no kissing, no really up close contact. If I became too amorous it was a, mi, mi, mi, meaning no in Thai and all rather fast and furious. Also what turned me off was that I could hear the children playing outside the room and was worried they might come barging in at any moment. The whole session lasted 25 minutes, no after session cup of tea, I paid my money including a 100 baht tip, wasn't disappointed as that was about what I expected it was going to be.

Although there are many B2 B massage parlors around Chiang Mai now, their techniques and prices may vary, but they all amount to around the same. Are they good value for money? IMHO, no. Are they worth a visit? Probably worth trying for one time if having low expectations at over inflated prices and just for the experience.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2023840]As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.[/QUOTE]Here is the main site for Chiangmai.

[URL]http://cmxsideline.com/index.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2023840]As I said; it is a parallel world and almost impossible to find a code to break in unless fluent in Thai and all the dialects that go with it. It's a shame because I recently heard of an undercover dek sideline scheme which is run by a Thai lady who was a receptionist in a Chiang Mai hotel not far from where I live. She was supplying girls from 16 to early 20's for 1500 baht. 1000 for the girls and 500 baht for the woman agent. I heard about this from the news as the agent was arrested, but I guess there are many more in operation. In the news report it said that these girls were supplied to Thai customers, police, local authority workers and businessmen. But hidden well out of sight from Farangs. A sideline agent could be operating next door to my house, but I still wouldn't get to know about it, unless by chance.

Consider this; to hire an early 20's escort from an escort agency can cost almost 6 times what the Thais are paying for the equivalent or even better quality dek sideline girls. Also I know in my area there are love motels, hire a room for two hours cost 100 baht, but again all strictly for Thais. I am starting to feel segregated and deprived living in this country.[/QUOTE]I'm quite sure that an agency that provides 16 year old girls for sex is not a set-up I'd like to be associated with.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2034143]I'm quite sure that an agency that provides 16 year old girls for sex is not a set-up I'd like to be associated with.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. That's why I always deal through the public websites and insist on meeting the lady outside in a public place such as a shopping mall. When the meet up takes place, if there is anything amis, I cancel the encounter. Most of the sideline girls want you to do an in all but I never go for it.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2034165]I totally agree. That's why I always deal through the public websites and insist on meeting the lady outside in a public place such as a shopping mall. When the meet up takes place, if there is anything amis, I cancel the encounter. Most of the sideline girls want you to do an in all but I never go for it.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, I would never deal with pimps that supply under aged girls and that's why the woman mentioned was sent to jail. I too would prefer to make connections via a website and not through a dodgy agent, if it were possible to break the language barrier, which has been my point.

So if you could kindly let us all into your secret on how you archive this it would be a great help.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2034447]Totally agree, I would never deal with pimps that supply under aged girls and that's why the woman mentioned was sent to jail. I too would prefer to make connections via a website and not through a dodgy agent, if it were possible to break the language barrier, which has been my point.

So if you could kindly let us all into your secret on how you archive this it would be a great help.[/QUOTE]I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035152]I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.[/QUOTE]I can also speak some Thai to get by in social situations, but not good enough to hold a fluent in-depth conversation with a Thai person. Which goes back to what I was saying, a foreigner would either have to read, type or speak fluent Thai in order to break into the sideline world. And my guess is; the majority of us are not up to those levels in Thai fluency, including me. This means that unless a sideline girl is able to understand a little English mixed in with Thai or be able to grasp what a foreigner is saying in bad Thai, then conversing with these girls is going to be extremely difficult.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2035313]I can also speak some Thai to get by in social situations, but not good enough to hold a fluent in-depth conversation with a Thai person. Which goes back to what I was saying, a foreigner would either have to read, type or speak fluent Thai in order to break into the sideline world. And my guess is; the majority of us are not up to those levels in Thai fluency, including me. This means that unless a sideline girl is able to understand a little English mixed in with Thai or be able to grasp what a foreigner is saying in bad Thai, then conversing with these girls is going to be extremely difficult.[/QUOTE]Open you mind and give it a try. I've had some success. You have nothing to lose. The idea is to flirt with them a little. If you come out of the gate being to direct and serious such as asking how much, what services you provide and so on, they get scared. Be casual about it and just go with the flow like you have nothing to lose. Talk with them a little. Tell them what you do in Thailand, where you live, where you come from, and compliment them on their looks.

Having mongered around SEA for nearly 2 decades with a specific focus on Thailand, it is ironic how I have never visited CNX. Planning a trip in August. I have done the research and I have a few questions that I have PM'ed to Arthur Tick and BKKDog. Dog has replied but Arthur being the resident expert might add some real perspective, I think.

An open request to respond to the PM.

I'm spending only one night in Chiang Mai and therefore did not have the time to go on an extened hunt. I took a tuktuk from thentrainstation to Sayuri Complex for 100 baht.

Once there the selection was extremely small. Only 3 girls in the fishbowl and 20 or so men watching them.

I ordered a soda and decided to wait a bit longer, a strategy that quickly paid off as cute no. 27 arrived in the fish bowl.

The papasan called her out for me and cashed 2200 baht. Has the price gone up? I vaguely remembered it to be 2000 baht. Perhaps it was the tuktuk's commission that was added.

Noo (Mouse) took me to the downstairs roo, undressed me and herself, prepared the bath and the soapie mattress and started her business. Long dark hair, tan skin, expressive eyes, tits between A and be-size, a trimmed partly shaven pussy and generally "spinner" type.

She started with a suggestive body-to-body slide that got me hard. I could lighly play with her breasts and pussy and she did some light sucking on my dick and balls.

Next was the bath service, where I got a good scrubbing and could continue to play with her.

Out of the bath, toweled down and on the bed. Hugging, light kissing, sucking her nipples (she did likewise with me), some mutual masturbation and then she put the cover on my dick and sucked me for a while, quite good and deep. While giving me a BJ I could see her pussy in the mirror and decide to take her in a few variations of doggy. She complied willingly and made me cum.

She cleaned my dick with some tissues and showered me in the bath tub.

It was a nice session. Nothing extraordinary but good peformance and good "take care". I gave her 200 baht tip and we parted ways.

As I said before, Sayuri Complex is a sure thing, solid standard service but nothing fancy.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035152]I cannot read and write Thai but I can speak enough to get by in social situations. If I don't get a good response after trying to chat with them on line, I call them up.[/QUOTE]If you can already speak Thai reasonably well, learning to read and write is not such a huge project. You should consider taking it on. It does benefit messaging with Thai girls.

You can learn to read Thai without a teacher. I learned initially by a book. I happened to use the AUA book on reading and writing many years ago (25 years possibly), however I am sure there are good texts still available. Thai does have an alphabet, and where English spells 50% of words strangely, in Thai 90% have regular spellings, meaning I can spell 90% correctly by guessing, without actually knowing the spelling for certain. Thais misspell words too. The hardest part of spelling in Thai is probably just remembering which tone a word is.

The tone marks and rules are slightly tricky, but get used to it with repetition. Issan is worse for tone rules so thankfully there is no official written language for Issan.

You can get your reading going pretty well in just 6 months if you put in a bit of effort.

I have typed so many messages in Thai now, that I know where the all the basic letters are on the keyboard even, not having to hunt for them anymore. Smartphones assist with the spelling by guessing the word you are typing, and giving a few options (as long as get the initial letters right).

I have many thousand word Vocab lists Thai to English and visa Versa that can be plugged into a Flashcards App to learn. This can also practice reading by using the Thai script.

Reading the names of places that are in Thai only is a bit handy, also reading the menu in places where there is no English menu.

If you are here for the long term, reading Thai is a worthwhile project. Just so happens my GF does not speak English so all our messages have to be in Thai script.

In early days you can read a girls message in Thai and answer in English if girl can read English reasonably, since typing Thai starts so very slow. When you read a girl's message in English, it is not always clear what they mean, since grammar is poor, or use a word incorrectly. Thai is usually clearer.

I don't actually write Thai that often or that well. I type in Thai though and use standard Khetmanee keyboard in all situations to avoid getting confused.

My most confusing girls are Laos girls who don't speak English but type Laos variations of Thai words in Thai script (so spelling altered from normal Thai way). For example "chorn" meaning spoon becomes "sorn" in Laos style. Chiangmai girls could well spell a few words a bit strangely and use Chiangmai words like "jao" meaning you.

A Tha-yai girl from Myanmar, has been able to speak Thai sort of Chiangmai style for many years now, but only just recently learned to read and write Thai. She can message me now in Thai. It only took her a few months to learn even though her original schooling level was only to age 12 or so in Myanmar. Has no English. A highly educated person knowing more than one language should be able to learn to read Thai even quicker I would guess.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2040628]Having mongered around SEA for nearly 2 decades with a specific focus on Thailand, it is ironic how I have never visited CNX. Planning a trip in August. I have done the research and I have a few questions that I have PM'ed to Arthur Tick and BKKDog. Dog has replied but Arthur being the resident expert might add some real perspective, I think.

An open request to respond to the PM.[/QUOTE]Bangkok 112 does a few excellent night life and mongering walkthroughs on you tube. Please watch these:

[URL]https://youtu.be/f0vYRjunS9E[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/Ubee9hddrc0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2022991] two enjoyable massages, one worth mentioning at Natchan opposite May Ping hotel. Her name is Fah cute fresh faced 22 yr old from Ubon. Been working for only one month but I tell you she gave me one of the most sensual massages I've ever experienced. Incredible soft hands and a seemingly natural ability at knowing her way around the male body. Anyway she resumes expertly massaging the shaft the sack the perineum and the asshole. She was reluctant to allow touching at first but then really got into it. I have had lots of HJ's where the objective is to get you off quickly but with Fah she takes her time and it was at least 15 glorious minutes before I popped. .[/QUOTE]After 3 days in Chiang Mai with very poor results and high prices, I decided to some research and found the above post. Wandered down at 6 pm and asked for Fah and a 1 HR oil massage (clothed).

Everything as described or better. I don't worry about getting the girl to strip off as I largely have my eyes closed to concentrate on the sensual experience. After I came, she wiped me down and then left the room. I thought that was the end, but she returned about 5 minutes later (giving me time to savour my climax) and proceeded to give another 5 minutes neck and shoulder rub with her sitting behind me and my head in her lap. Total damage 300 + 500 = 800 tbt.

Is this place called "Maeping Beauty Salon"? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smyke;2045084]After 3 days in Chiang Mai with very poor results and high prices, I decided to some research and found the above post. Wandered down at 6 pm and asked for Fah and a 1 HR oil massage (clothed).

Everything as described or better. I don't worry about getting the girl to strip off as I largely have my eyes closed to concentrate on the sensual experience. After I came, she wiped me down and then left the room. I thought that was the end, but she returned about 5 minutes later (giving me time to savour my climax) and proceeded to give another 5 minutes neck and shoulder rub with her sitting behind me and my head in her lap. Total damage 300 + 500 = 800 tbt.[/QUOTE]

Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one.

I was there in 2012 and did not see any either. Had to go to some MP for a crappy HJ. Beautiful city, though. Was there in November for Loy Krathong. Beautiful. Especially from Roof Top Bar.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2061835]Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;2061901]I was there in 2012 and did not see any either. Had to go to some MP for a crappy HJ. Beautiful city, though. Was there in November for Loy Krathong. Beautiful. Especially from Roof Top Bar.

.[/QUOTE]This is a weird thing and although I've lived in CM for many years I am still at a loss to understand it.

I have never known of any city, in most countries of the world that does not it's fair share of freelancer girls. Even in England they advertise in abundance in the local papers or online local newspapers or online sites like craigslist and similar. But as regards CM, virtually nothing. Definitely something odd going on.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062244]This is a weird thing and although I've lived in CM for many years I am still at a loss to understand it.

I have never known of any city, in most countries of the world that does not it's fair share of freelancer girls. Even in England they advertise in abundance in the local papers or online local newspapers or online sites like craigslist and similar. But as regards CM, virtually nothing. Definitely something odd going on.[/QUOTE]I saw the previously reported on freelancers in the alleys near the Thapae gate. Not really up to par for me, and I'm not extremely picky. I agree that there aren't the obvious online resources for Chiang Mai freelancers. I did have some success online in a more round about way. I traveled the Mae Hong Song loop by mototrcycle last October, but spent 4 days in CM after. There is t any action that I could find and in that area, so I spent some time setting up girls to meet when I got back to CM. Thai friendly worked nicely.

The first girl I met turned out to be a freelancer, but very discreet, and didn't even mention anything about money until we got back to the hotel. She was 25 with a super tight and well toned body. She had a set of decent bolt ONS, but I would have preferred that she never had them. We did the deed 3 times throughout half the night and each session got better as she opened up more. She was also into Game of Thrones and liked to do a bit of role play around that. She said that she was from Issan on the border of Laos, so she said that her parents were from Lao. Her English was pretty good as she had an older sponsor from the you. K. For the previous seven years. I was pretty much sure that she probably still has a few sponsors, and just decides to go out with someone for fun to make some extra cash and have a good time for free. She never gave me a price, so I just handed her 3000 the next day when I dropped her off at home. I usually won't pay that much, but she was one of the more gorgeous girls I've been around in Thailand. So the service, time spent, and stunning looks came cheap for 3000 I think.

The next night I took home a girl from a bar that isn't supposed to be a bar girl place. But they have some nice normal girls that work there that speak decent English. Somehow I took out the only girl that didn't speak much English, but my Thai needed some practice. She was young (maybe 22 I think), and from Kalisan Issan. She was pretty inexperienced and shy, which was kinda refreshing for once. Her friend at the bar told me that she had never left with anyone before. She was pretty enthusiastic in bed, and I think that she was genuinely turned on the whole time. I had to do some coaching, but she was pretty compliant and willing to please. I took her home in the morning and left her with 1500.

The same morning I picked up a girl at the bus station that I had started talking to on Thai friendly during that trip. She was a regular Thai lady that worked as a professor in a college in Lampang. She took the bus in to meet me. She was 35 and divorced with a teenage girl. She was really nice with a great personality. She was also pretty attractive with a small bit of baby damage. Older ladies are easier to spend time around if they aren't too bitter at life already. We spent all day and night together seeing sights. We were in the bed by 5 pm for the first round. She was good and horny from then until the next morning. We only l left to get dinner. Next morning I dropped her off at the bus station. I didn't give her any money as I totally believed that she wasn't in the game. I just paid for everything all day. She even offered to pay here and there. I still chat with her occasionally, but I think her search for other farangs has moved on. Good on her!

So in conclusion, the online dating sights are the way you will have to go for freelancers (in CM), and you might meet some good girls along the way too.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2061835]Just had a look at the women for men section on craigslist and the casual encounters section of craigslist, for Bangkok and certain other cities, and there are freelance girls advertising on there in abundance, including students, MILFs, housewives, girls to suit all desires.

But in the same sections only pertaining to Chiang Mai, all that's available are gays, transvestites, ladyboys and weirdos just after photos and are probably fake.

Similar applies with the online escort agencies. To order an escort they are usually based in Bangkok and the customer has to pay extra for them to travel up to Chiang Mai. The very few that are based in Chiang Mai are in their late 30's or 40's, the rejects that wouldn't be acceptable in Bangkok asking for ridiculous money.

Question is: WHY? Do they vaporise if they travel north of Bangkok. I mean not able to even find one.[/QUOTE]You are looking in the wrong spot. Look on we chat, Bee talk, Thai Friendly, Badoo, and many others that can be accessed from your smart phone.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2062286]I saw the previously reported on freelancers in the alleys near the Thapae gate. Not really up to par for me, and I'm not extremely picky. I agree that there aren't the obvious online resources for Chiang Mai freelancers. I did have some success online in a more round about way. I traveled the Mae Hong Song loop by mototrcycle last October, but spent 4 days in CM after. There is t any action that I could find and in that area, so I spent some time setting up girls to meet when I got back to CM. Thai friendly worked nicely.

The first girl I met turned out to be a freelancer, but very discreet, and didn't even mention anything about money until we got back to the hotel. She was 25 with a super tight and well toned body. She had a set of decent bolt ONS, but I would have preferred that she never had them. We did the deed 3 times throughout half the night and each session got better as she opened up more. She was also into Game of Thrones and liked to do a bit of role play around that. She said that she was from Issan on the border of Laos, so she said that her parents were from Lao. Her English was pretty good as she had an older sponsor from the you. K. For the previous seven years. I was pretty much sure that she probably still has a few sponsors, and just decides to go out with someone for fun to make some extra cash and have a good time for free. She never gave me a price, so I just handed her 3000 the next day when I dropped her off at home. I usually won't pay that much, but she was one of the more gorgeous girls I've been around in Thailand. So the service, time spent, and stunning looks came cheap for 3000 I think.

The next night I took home a girl from a bar that isn't supposed to be a bar girl place. But they have some nice normal girls that work there that speak decent English. Somehow I took out the only girl that didn't speak much English, but my Thai needed some practice. She was young (maybe 22 I think), and from Kalisan Issan. She was pretty inexperienced and shy, which was kinda refreshing for once. Her friend at the bar told me that she had never left with anyone before. She was pretty enthusiastic in bed, and I think that she was genuinely turned on the whole time. I had to do some coaching, but she was pretty compliant and willing to please. I took her home in the morning and left her with 1500.

The same morning I picked up a girl at the bus station that I had started talking to on Thai friendly during that trip. She was a regular Thai lady that worked as a professor in a college in Lampang. She took the bus in to meet me. She was 35 and divorced with a teenage girl. She was really nice with a great personality. She was also pretty attractive with a small bit of baby damage. Older ladies are easier to spend time around if they aren't too bitter at life already. We spent all day and night together seeing sights. We were in the bed by 5 pm for the first round. She was good and horny from then until the next morning. We only l left to get dinner. Next morning I dropped her off at the bus station. I didn't give her any money as I totally believed that she wasn't in the game. I just paid for everything all day. She even offered to pay here and there. I still chat with her occasionally, but I think her search for other farangs has moved on. Good on her!

So in conclusion, the online dating sights are the way you will have to go for freelancers (in CM), and you might meet some good girls along the way too.[/QUOTE]Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062403]Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.[/QUOTE]You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062403]Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. [/QUOTE]And do we assume that there were no such thing as freelancers before Craigslist appeared on this planet? Note to Arthur: Craigslist is a relatively new phenomenon that exists primarily for selling junk you don't need. Its not a hookup portal, though some might use it for that reason. On the Bangkok Craigslist page, you won't find many freelance women there either and yes, those are older. But, you walk out on Sukhumvit and they are abundant freelancers in the touristy areas. Younger women don't need to resort to Craigslist, nor do they want to have their image plastered all over the world. Can you imagine all the inquiries they will get from curious guys from all over the globe who will never set foot in Thailand? There's no conspiracy here, just a lot of better options for freelancers, as BKK Dog has just noted. And I will look forward to his trip report from CM.

[QUOTE=KrumLov;2061591]Is this place called "Maeping Beauty Salon"? Thanks.[/QUOTE]No, its called Natchan Massage Shop. It's directly across from the side entrance of the MaePing The girl's name is Fah.

When I met her during Songkran she was very new to the business quite shy and offered only amazingly good HJ'S. I would be interested to know if she has since developed her services to include hotel visits.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2062433]You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?[/QUOTE]I never said there are no CM freelancers, try reading my post again. I said there seems to be no CM freelancers advertising on craigslist and other classified sites. Also some may prefer not to have their identities or photos spread over a social media and Wechat is a social media. The same as some may not want to publish their details on online dating sites and would rather keep their freelancer encounters discrete, an option through limit choice is very difficult to find in Chiang Mai.

Just like your amazing powers to be able to communicate with Chiang Mai sideline girls whereas for you language is no barrier. Why don't you publish all your pick up strategies on here so we may all learn from your experiences? Oh sorry, forgot, you already have, only need to seek on ISG and we will find.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062403]Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.[/QUOTE]I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062403]Good stories about your pulling abilities and conquests, I also have lots I can tell. But it still doesn't solve the mystery as to why there are hardly any or no freelance girls advertising on the CM sections of criagslist or anywhere else. I was recently discussing this with a friend, and he thinks, especially pertaining to craigslist, that when CM girls try to publish ads on CL their posts become immediately flagged and are then deleted. I actually tried myself posting on CL asking for Chiang Mai freelance girls and my posts did not see the light of day, within a couple of hours, flagged and deleted. And there is the classified site, Backstage. I tried an experiment. Posted an ad pretending to be a 28 year old CM woman looking to meet interesting guys and for fun. Got deleted, with a message saying; this ad does not meet our terms and conditions and no other explanation.

As regarding dating sites like TF and others. There are several girls on the Bangkok and Pattaya sections that are outright in what they are offering. But not the CM girls, they have to be very discrete. Reason I believe, if not discrete their profiles will probably be deleted. There are social media sites such as Badoo. But joining Badoo automatically connects you with your facebook profile. Not good for guys who already have girlfriends or are married.

I find it difficult to accept there are no freelance girls in Chiang Mai. I think if they try and advertise, some kind of system is blocking them. Not just my opinion but also a general consensus among my friends.[/QUOTE]I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2062621]I have had good success with badoo also. And yes, some girls are very transparent on their profiles about providing company for hire. I set up a Badoo profile without linking it to my Facebook account. I like to be a bit discreet also. I also understand someone not wanting to have a profile on any dating site. We chat doesn't require much info, but it is loaded with ladyboys in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I've had a little luck with it in Bangkok, but not CM. There didn't seem to be that much on offer last time I was up there. I even looked into the sideline websites, but I have trouble getting the girls to respond even in Bangkok. Those sideline sites (such as fanfinfin or 69 sideline) seem to be geared towards local clientele. Those girls aren't as willing to meet a Falang yet. Maybe just a combo of language, preference, and them also trying to be discreet.

So in my research I also found it a bit difficult to find obvious freelancers online in Chiang Mai. But I'm not as into just picking up a FL off the street. There are some late night bars and clubs that are notorious for freelancers, but I don't want to wait until after 12 pm to start hunting. I'll try out some of the other apps suggested when I get back in country. I was only mentioning my experiences as to the main successes that I had in CM.[/QUOTE]When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062792]When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.[/QUOTE]You must have allowed it to connect these two. There is no link if you sign up with a different account. Tracing IP only works if I you have a static one which most people don't. Remarkable enough AIS in Thailand gives IPv6 or rather by requirement and then we will most likely see behavior your describing in the future. But as is right now 99,9% certainty you are responsible for what happened.

My five cents!

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2062792]When I signed up on Badoo, used a different email address, only my first name, yet it still connected me to my facebook account and knew my gmail address. Don't know how but it did. All I can think of is that it traces me online by my IP address. I am only connected online with my home PC. So unless having another ISP I can't see any ways to hide my other social media accounts from them.

What it means is; anyone viewing my profile on Badoo will be able to also see details of my FB profile. Not ideal and why I deleted my account on there.[/QUOTE]For the record, badoo is very smart with Facebook. It uses Facebook to recommend friends for you, add additional friends and allow you to qualify for free premiunim features by inviting your Facebook friends. If you are so paranoid about this then download badoo on your mobile phone as an app. You won't have that problem. If you insist on using the browser version, then clear your cookies and history first. I would stick to just the app because the app utilizes location based searches for ladies nearby you. In my opinion, this is what you need.

This escort agency has a Chiang Mai section, so I made inquires.

Hi.

I am an English expat living in Chiang Mai and would like to hire a real female escort (no ladyboys or transgender) from your agency who is based in Chiang Mai and not having to travel up from somewhere else.

Not concerned about the costs.

Look forward to your reply.

Thanks.

THE RESPONSE:

Good Morning Sir.

Thank you for contacting Absolute Angels Bangkok.

Yes, we offer services in Chiang Mai.

We have 1 female escort (VIP Kate) who is based in Chiang Mai but unfortunately she is still on vacation. We do not have an estimate time on her return.

Kate is our only Chang Mai based escort.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

So folks went to Sayuri tonight.

Prices were far ahead of the quality! Top row girls 3000, second 2500 and third 2200.

Picked one from the top row as she looked hot, was nice but rushed the bath routine in the.

Dingy bath, 20 second blow and couple of positions. And all over, let us leave. In and out in.

30 min, damage 3000 THB (100 $).

Don't know why it features as cheap and good in most internet searches!

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Visited CM in July, many excellent experiences, some follow.

One girl I met at the east gate. She worked for a courier company and started work at 09:00. We agreed to meet at 08:00, she called twice to say she was on her way, and at 08:50 she turned up. While waiting some cute Chinese girls came over and we started chatting. They then asked for me to take photos with them feeding the birds. Thank you lovely girls, their English was very good. I should have suggested we join up and go for a day out together. Stupid me. Anyway, we go into a cafe and ordered mango and sticky rice. She was a bit heavy for a Thai girl, but had a very pretty face. We only chatted for ten minutes and she was late for work. I thought I would give her a miss. She was 34, no children.

Two days later she calls me and says she is coming to the hotel. "oh, OK then. ". Lucky for me I was uncommitted, So she turns up with an overnight bag. We go out for good dinner and return to the hotel. Have shower separately and she puts on her "cozies" and gets into bed (why do Thai girls always wear clothes to bed). I told her to drop all the clothes and get into bed. This was three weeks ago now, but I can recall that she was extraordinary, her enthusiasm was unbelievable. She absolutely loved it. She was very noisy and came hard several times. I could feel her clamping on me like a vice. After we have a nice chat and go to sleep. I wake in the morning with her giving me a fantastic BJ, we went for it and then showered. I reached for my wallet and she was absolutely aghast! I said "no, you said you collected banknotes". I gave her a A $20 note which she was very happy to have. We had breakfast and she went to work, and that was it. How good was that! She drops out of the sky into my bed and then leaves the next day not wanting anything. I love this place.

Another encounter was a girl who had just posted herself on TF, I think only the day before, in the title she said she was freelancing (A friend told her to be honest in the description), We chat and agree to meet. Attractive, fantastic body, she went to the gym everyday. Her name was Ice, 33. She arrives on her motor scooter and we chat. Would you like a beer? Yes, ok. We walk to 7-11 buy some chiangs and chips. We watch TV, share the beers, she tells me about herself. She has just finished a professional masseuse course (she has photo of the diploma) and is short of money, so thought that freelancing might do it. I was her first customer. I took lots of photos and videos and when I asked her what she wanted, she said 1000 baht. I gave her 1500. I called her a few days later and this time picked her up from her apartment. We went out for dinner this time and had another great time and I offered her 1500 and she said, you bought me dinner, 1000 is OK. I have seen on her posts on line that she has met a guy her own age. Best of luck to her, she was really nice.

I was looking for a girl on Loi Kroh Road. The bars at the entrance to where the Muay Thai ring is had three absolutely stunning girls and I was going to have a beer and choose one of them. I asked one of them and she wanted 2000ST. I refused, I thought it was too much after getting lucky for next to nothing the last week (many stories omitted) . I left. As I walked back to my car I started talking to a ladyboy and a freelancer. Very interesting stories about life. The freelancer started handling my junk through my shorts and I weakened. She was in her 30's, asked for 1200 baht. Took her back to the hotel and I could not do it. She did try very hard to get me in the mood, but to no avail. The fear of what I might catch scared the life out of me. She was a bit upset I could not do it and suggested I did not need to pay her. I paid her what she asked, and she walked herself out of the hotel. I had never picked up a freelancer before.

I have found that polite conversation with girls on TF and then Line produces good results. Many girls just want a break from life, farangs offer this without anyone catching them out.

Sorry, no photos. The quality of photos ISG is rubbish and does not do the girls justice.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2064461]Visited CM in July, many excellent experiences, some follow.

One girl I met at the east gate. She worked for a courier company and started work at 09:00. We agreed to meet at 08:00, she called twice to say she was on her way, and at 08:50 she turned up. While waiting some cute Chinese girls came over and we started chatting. They then asked for me to take photos with them feeding the birds. Thank you lovely girls, their English was very good. I should have suggested we join up and go for a day out together. Stupid me. Anyway, we go into a cafe and ordered mango and sticky rice. She was a bit heavy for a Thai girl, but had a very pretty face. We only chatted for ten minutes and she was late for work. I thought I would give her a miss. She was 34, no children.

Two days later she calls me and says she is coming to the hotel. "oh, OK then. ". Lucky for me I was uncommitted, So she turns up with an overnight bag. We go out for good dinner and return to the hotel. Have shower separately and she puts on her "cozies" and gets into bed (why do Thai girls always wear clothes to bed). I told her to drop all the clothes and get into bed. This was three weeks ago now, but I can recall that she was extraordinary, her enthusiasm was unbelievable. She absolutely loved it. She was very noisy and came hard several times. I could feel her clamping on me like a vice. After we have a nice chat and go to sleep. I wake in the morning with her giving me a fantastic BJ, we went for it and then showered. I reached for my wallet and she was absolutely aghast! I said "no, you said you collected banknotes". I gave her a A $20 note which she was very happy to have. We had breakfast and she went to work, and that was it. How good was that! She drops out of the sky into my bed and then leaves the next day not wanting anything. I love this place.

Another encounter was a girl who had just posted herself on TF, I think only the day before, in the title she said she was freelancing (A friend told her to be honest in the description), We chat and agree to meet. Attractive, fantastic body, she went to the gym everyday. Her name was Ice, 33. She arrives on her motor scooter and we chat. Would you like a beer? Yes, ok. We walk to 7-11 buy some chiangs and chips. We watch TV, share the beers, she tells me about herself. She has just finished a professional masseuse course (she has photo of the diploma) and is short of money, so thought that freelancing might do it. I was her first customer. I took lots of photos and videos and when I asked her what she wanted, she said 1000 baht. I gave her 1500. I called her a few days later and this time picked her up from her apartment. We went out for dinner this time and had another great time and I offered her 1500 and she said, you bought me dinner, 1000 is OK. I have seen on her posts on line that she has met a guy her own age. Best of luck to her, she was really nice.

I was looking for a girl on Loi Kroh Road. The bars at the entrance to where the Muay Thai ring is had three absolutely stunning girls and I was going to have a beer and choose one of them. I asked one of them and she wanted 2000ST. I refused, I thought it was too much after getting lucky for next to nothing the last week (many stories omitted) . I left. As I walked back to my car I started talking to a ladyboy and a freelancer. Very interesting stories about life. The freelancer started handling my junk through my shorts and I weakened. She was in her 30's, asked for 1200 baht. Took her back to the hotel and I could not do it. She did try very hard to get me in the mood, but to no avail. The fear of what I might catch scared the life out of me. She was a bit upset I could not do it and suggested I did not need to pay her. I paid her what she asked, and she walked herself out of the hotel. I had never picked up a freelancer before.

I have found that polite conversation with girls on TF and then Line produces good results. Many girls just want a break from life, farangs offer this without anyone catching them out.

Sorry, no photos. The quality of photos ISG is rubbish and does not do the girls justice.[/QUOTE]Interesting your story about Ice (33) on TF and was going to thank you for the heads up.

So I went onto TF looking for Ice (33) freelancer, Chiang Mai. Just to make sure I searched for girls, 30 to 35 in Chiang Mai. Ice, Chiang Mai, freelancer, not a sign of her. Oh, she just happened to meet a guy of her own age after you. Darn, missed the boat again.

Went to Shower Massage located in the Riverside Hotel yesterday. Short walk from the Night Market area.

Walked in about 2 pm. Papasan escorted me in the door. Fishbowl with about a dozen ladies. (Probably a lot more later in the evening.) Not one of them paid any attention to me, but understandable when the papasan told me it was one-way glass and they couldn't see out. No real stunners; no real uglies. A nice collection of fives and sixes, I'd say. 1400 thb for 1-1/2 hours of "everything". There was a group of sideliners sitting off in a dark corner (1800) but I did not walk over to look too closely.

Picked #24 because she looked thin and the best of the bunch. Off to the room. Clothes came off to reveal an okay body with no baby damage, but not really outstanding either. A- breasts and not much of a waist. Did all the usual, including a trip to the bath tub. She attempted to be nice, but all-in-all it was a "ho-hum" sort of experience. Got the job done. Didn't cost a fortune.

WIR? Not with #24. Might try my luck one more time another day.

SW4.

Heading back to Chiangmai shortly again and it's nice to see others are having success here. It's a welcome change to the dribble of one who always complains about there being no action and online is not good and no freelancers and so on. Way to go guys. I will follow suit and report my anticipated success. I'm already making contacts with many freelancers part time and full time on the chat apps and dating sites. The beer bars seem like a great bet and the videos of Bangkok 1112 on You tube are a great help to navigate the area. I plan on going to Spicies night club as well for some freelancer pick ups.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2068681]Yes, I do post my experiences on picking up sideline girls and other freelancers from the Internet, even have my own user blog.





Please do tell. It would be a welcome change to the complaining about Badoo, escort websites, massage places and the sideline websites, and so on. Please share your ultimate wisdom and conquests with the dating websites, chat apps and freelancers. I really want to learn from the Chiangmai master. I'm not being sarcastic, this is a sincere request, I'm waiting to hear about them so I can use the info on my upcoming trip.[/QUOTE]There was a troll who tagged along with every post I made. Eventually he got banned. I am wondering if you are that same poster, either reincarnated or maybe have two or more IDs on here.

We will see.

Yes, very dull I know. Sorry. But does anyone know if I can buy hummus in either rimping supermarket (nim city) or the smaller big see supermarket just off sridonchai Road? I think the big see super supercenter sells it, but it's too far from me. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;2068220]Went to Shower Massage located in the Riverside Hotel yesterday. Short walk from the Night Market area.

Walked in about 2 pm. Papasan escorted me in the door. Fishbowl with about a dozen ladies. (Probably a lot more later in the evening.) Not one of them paid any attention to me, but understandable when the papasan told me it was one-way glass and they couldn't see out. No real stunners; no real uglies. A nice collection of fives and sixes, I'd say. 1400 thb for 1-1/2 hours of "everything". There was a group of sideliners sitting off in a dark corner (1800) but I did not walk over to look too closely.

Picked #24 because she looked thin and the best of the bunch. Off to the room. Clothes came off to reveal an okay body with no baby damage, but not really outstanding either. A- breasts and not much of a waist. Did all the usual, including a trip to the bath tub. She attempted to be nice, but all-in-all it was a "ho-hum" sort of experience. Got the job done. Didn't cost a fortune.

WIR? Not with #24. Might try my luck one more time another day.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Well good sweet Jesus son of Mary, someone finally posted some new and useful information on this thread after many months of mostly hot air. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.

My apologies people. It would appear that the Line IDs I provided in my original post for the CM Spa businesses have been deleted or edited out. I did not think about any conflict with sponsors etc perhaps or perhaps Line IDs fall under same category as an email address, or link to posts on other sites with photos, both of which are not permissible on the forum. In hindsight is my bad. And hence will not be able to provide business Line IDs.

I could provide physical address of some but this negates the basis of my post, to use the Line App to make arrangements or view choices first, in Thai language etc.

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2068811]Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:.[/QUOTE]Far and away the best most helpful report I have read on CM or indeed on any thread.

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2068811]Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info.

I will be in CM in a week and since I don't speak Thai (and because I will be staying only for a week) I think I'll stick to the farang friendly venues: Foxy Lady, entertainment complex, Celeb, Zoe.

Any recommendation?

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2068811]Sorry not a trip report but rather some commentary info on App use in CM and Spas and limited info on Sideline.

Location based apps such as Wechat are a no go for CM. CM is strictly a Line ID place. Because of the amount of PRC tourists that is all you will find on Wechat. For a while only ladyboys in CM used Wechat but even they have given up as Thais were basically swamped out of it. Line is the only way to go in CM.

Anyhow. I have the Line ID of some 23 Spas in CM that cater primarily for Thais (so we are not talking about Celebrity or Sayuri). A basic level of Thai is critical for most (but not all of these places). Most accept Farang no problems, others are a bit exclusive and you being there can actually put Thai penis envy punters off returning so some businesses are just an absolute no. And to quote Racey "some girls will, some girls won't" as far as having a farang client. Sort it out on Line first do not waste your time or theirs. Girls are all in their early 20's at latest, some uni, all small framed, baby damage nil, silicone nil though very few have the odd nose jobs, even tattoos are pretty much a nil. This is what the local Thai demographics requires.

Most have daily updates on their Line ID with information and photos of who is working when, promotional deals, and a few cost outline or services.

If you are familiar with Thai and want to give it a go you could start with these as illustrative:

Raspeberry Spa is a good example of a daily updated Line home page. There Line ID has picture of the girls, new starters, who is on roster so you can reserve a favourite if you want.

Little Mermaid Spa will take Farangs no problem. Some English is spoken there, not a lot by any means, some days none. It is a favourite of visiting Chinese Singaporeans who again are not big fans of Issan tans and there are a few fairer toned Chiang Rai girls that speak Mandarin. Has pictures of who is on shift and is open noon till midnight. This is probably the easiest one to get to as off Chang Klan.

Miss Spa is an example of one of the bigger spas. So popular that a few of their Line accounts reached maximum subscribers and hence the 02 addition to the current Line ID. There Line ID web page often shows costs (IE B2B 1600) and phone number and hours open (10.00 am to 2. 00 am) so handy for the early in the day time.

If you are taking a tuk tuk ask for a landmark (restaurant or bar is a good idea) by Line or Google map away otherwise expect to pay more. I ride an mc so not much help there but for Little Mermaid there are a heap of bars / restaurants and as said it is just of Chang Klan which has numerous drop off points. I think the Singaporeans get dropped off at some Korean restaurant opposite so maybe find out the name of that. Having said that. Its August and will soon be persisting down.

There are SideLine agents. I have two Line Ids and am known to them I am sorry but I am reluctant to post their Line ID's as do not want them flooded with google translate requests. I basically use them now and rarely go to the Spas except when there is a new girl and / or a promotion and a day time visit. Night time more uni students are off so a lot better with sidelines. CM being an uni town there are basically oodles of sidelines. Again, not all farang friendly as some are just plain scared of size, language problems, body odour, services required, etc etc, you name it.

I would personally stay away from some of the web based Thai sideline forums featuring adverts for CM, not so much an issue with tracking but rather some "sideline" girls seem to have been at University for many many many years and really not up to the standard for spas or agents and I think this is why they freelance as sidelines. A lot of these girls have photos on their Line ID and I have sincere doubts (standard of Thai university education notwithstanding) that they would want a brother, uncle father neighbour finding out. Here I am talking about smaller Thai sites like nongsldotcom.

If you can speak Thai then there is an option to pick up the Line Ids for sideline agents the way I did, which is talking to Thai clients in the Spas and mentioning it to the girls when there was a bit of a click and I asked for their Line ID, most gave their ID if clicked, and a few gave agents Line. Once I has agents I was happy with, and they were happy with me I stopped following up on that.

Anyhow. It is a lot better than some believe and Loi Kroh just presents as the far smaller and easier option but realistically some Thai language skills are required not only in making arrangements but also when in the room makes everything run a lot smoother. No Thai, and tourists on a short stay or digital gonads or slackpackers or begpackers etc then Loi Kroh is your go or Celeb as a walk then Sayuri / Pandora by tuk tuk. Celeb is not that bad and an easy walk down a soi from the night market. You can get a feed and a drink one the way back Also in Celeb (sorry have not been to the others in yonks) you can take drinks bought on premises up to the room, so LEO can be a conversation lubricant. They will bring up glasses, ice, Large LEO etc while the tub is filling. It makes things run a bit smoother and have no probs eating into your 90 minutes. I just find Celeb a lot more accommodating if I am in town for parking, familiarity, un-rushed service, welcoming, non discriminatory pricing. As I recall it opens from about 1.00 pm ish and has a shift and closes around midnight if you are not already in (so to speak). If I was staying in a hotel on holidays I would not be bothered with the others, Celeb for me is just that convenient I would say that the majority of Loi Kroh will not see their 30th birthday again, and equally a few not see their feet on the 7/11 scales again. The good ones have bfs, have gone, or are in Bangkok. There are some diamonds, but there is a lot of stone.

If anyone wants more Line Ids then I will add a heap of current ones but I say again really no use for the vast majority unless you speak (and better write) reasonable Thai, and establish that they are Farang friendly (and most are) otherwise they just do not respond or give up.[/QUOTE]More very useful information from a thorough ISG reporter. Thank you very much. Perhaps this thread is coming to life.

Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number.

Around the same time of night the outside Eastern road of the moat becomes lady boy freelance groups. Maybe a dozen tops in number again.

Around 11.30 at night you get a few more freelancers on Loi Kroh, less than half a dozen I suppose. These are not bar girls (they are still at work and if need baht will negotiate at bar, or go Zoe or Yellow etc). Freelancing in CM they have a greater chance of being seen by coworkers and is just not a good look. Age, looks are working against these freelancers. CM bars do no have that high a standard so if a lady freelances only in CM (as opposed to getting a Line ID from a bar girl for a day time meet) I genuinely believe that there are problems to be avoided. They are basically predatory on drunks coming out of the bars and will hang around until they think no more will come (or it gets cold or raining). A few lady boys are in this mix / area as well.

To be fair I really do not go out to Zoe at all. If Techno / Rap / Trance etc, backpackers, DJs, dancing is your thing then by all means go and have fun with pick ups the secondary aim. It's a Backpacker Digital Nomad type place as far as I am concerned and for me that just puts me off. The other thing is that Zoe and Spicy were handy when the bars closed as they were open later (Spicy sometimes till sun up) so you had a lot of bar girls going to these places after finishing up at their regular workplace. If you are aged 50 or so upwards you will stick out in the crowd That does not happen at the moment for a few reasons.

Problem post junta is that CM were closing for along time at midnight (including Zoe and Spicy) but now most bars as well as Zoe and Spicy stretch out to 1. 00 am On Loi Kroh most nights you will see the police coming round at that time to check. There are some semi lock ins but no neon lights, doors drawn, music turned down or off type scenario. No one wants to (understandably) push the envelope. Arthur has correctly mentioned that the best years of CM as a mongering venue are well gone. You can have fun for sure, but if that is your sole reason for coming to CM then there are far better destinations.

Another reason it is low season so maximum girls descending on Zoe / Spicy after their job for minimum punters, not worth the effort. The bar girls might go there very occasionally for fun but they pretty much no that nomads and backpackers = no money. You do get a fair amount of youngish Thais from Farang geared hostels, guesthouses, fast food joints, restaurants going there for fun nights out dancing and chatting and taking selfies.

Another reason is that it is now the start of the rainy season in earnest so most girls / ladies will just kick off home if they have made enough money on lady drinks for the next days food. Financial planning is not a Thai bar girl attribute. Eating is.

I do not want to be down on the CEC / Boxing complex. I go there maybe once or twice a week, usually on Sunday at the moment when it is dead quite just to have a yack with a few ladies I have known for years. It is more or less a social visit not a mongering visit. Sundays and Saturdays the bars will have fewer girls and clients. Reason being is that the tourists are usually hitting the walking street markets that occur on these nights.

As far as Go Go venue is concerned, they are all within walking distance of each other (Spotlight a bit further out). Not really my scene. The venues are a lot smaller than Bangkok and once you have seen Bangkok clubs as far as standard of girls, number of girls, music, dancing, costumes, general attitude and professionalism. , CM clubs quickly lose any appeal. Some like Spotlight, some Foxy, Star XIX have never heard anything good about. Foxy would be my pick simply because it is a short walk from the CEC Boxing bars so if no joy you can double back to the bars. I am trying not to sound negative but in CM it is just not a case that a particular go go is "the" place to go. Much like the Spas (Sayuri / Pandora / Celeb) it is pretty much the same standard so I look at other factors like how to get there, what next, is it worth the travel time to A over be etc Go Gos have very few girls dancing most times single digits, a few layers of clothing, and shuffle more than dance as far as I am concerned. Again I have experienced the odd good night, as opposed to consistently good nights in Bangkok.

IF you are staying for a brief period like a week with no Thai language skills, at this time of year (raining and low season), I would generally stick to the CEC Boxing bars as you can wander from one to another easily, Foxy as a go go (or Spotlight a bit further walk) or Star XIX which is adjacent to the CEC Boxing bars but just not my scene (but again its a one minute walk if that for you to pop your head in so why not). Spa wise again there is no "the" place to go. Celeb wins for me as fixed price, not rushed, familiarity, no transport issues, enough of a selection through the day more so in evening after say 7,00 pm, Farang friendly no problem at all, papasans not pushy.

Mongers want different things as far as size, age, skin tone, PSE, GFE, language, silicone, bar theme, music style, volume etc and CM is just not big enough to cover all tastes. I actually enjoy going to the CEC Boxing bars but more to play pool, have a chat with a few girls, and just generally have a relaxing fun time. I am going to enjoy myself rather than monger (not that the two are mutually exclusive). I do have one Burmese 28 year old that I take out of there maybe once a week or fn. Not a stellar body but always fun with a great attitude, after a few drinks and she is well on the way to enjoying herself. Never had a problem with her. Stop at Tesco to pick up a few items for breakfast, romp at night, wake up romp in morning, she gets up showers and cooks breakfast, I get up shower and eat breakfast. Works for me.

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2069156]Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number.

Around the same time of night the outside Eastern road of the moat becomes lady boy freelance groups. Maybe a dozen tops in number again.

Around 11.30 at night you get a few more freelancers on Loi Kroh, less than half a dozen I suppose. These are not bar girls (they are still at work and if need baht will negotiate at bar, or go Zoe or Yellow etc). Freelancing in CM they have a greater chance of being seen by coworkers and is just not a good look. Age, looks are working against these freelancers. CM bars do no have that high a standard so if a lady freelances only in CM (as opposed to getting a Line ID from a bar girl for a day time meet) I genuinely believe that there are problems to be avoided. They are basically predatory on drunks coming out of the bars and will hang around until they think no more will come (or it gets cold or raining). A few lady boys are in this mix / area as well.

To be fair I really do not go out to Zoe at all. If Techno / Rap / Trance etc, backpackers, DJs, dancing is your thing then by all means go and have fun with pick ups the secondary aim. It's a Backpacker Digital Nomad type place as far as I am concerned and for me that just puts me off. The other thing is that Zoe and Spicy were handy when the bars closed as they were open later (Spicy sometimes till sun up) so you had a lot of bar girls going to these places after finishing up at their regular workplace. If you are aged 50 or so upwards you will stick out in the crowd That does not happen at the moment for a few reasons.

Problem post junta is that CM were closing for along time at midnight (including Zoe and Spicy) but now most bars as well as Zoe and Spicy stretch out to 1. 00 am On Loi Kroh most nights you will see the police coming round at that time to check. There are some semi lock ins but no neon lights, doors drawn, music turned down or off type scenario. No one wants to (understandably) push the envelope. Arthur has correctly mentioned that the best years of CM as a mongering venue are well gone. You can have fun for sure, but if that is your sole reason for coming to CM then there are far better destinations.

Another reason it is low season so maximum girls descending on Zoe / Spicy after their job for minimum punters, not worth the effort. The bar girls might go there very occasionally for fun but they pretty much no that nomads and backpackers = no money. You do get a fair amount of youngish Thais from Farang geared hostels, guesthouses, fast food joints, restaurants going there for fun nights out dancing and chatting and taking selfies.

Another reason is that it is now the start of the rainy season in earnest so most girls / ladies will just kick off home if they have made enough money on lady drinks for the next days food. Financial planning is not a Thai bar girl attribute. Eating is.

I do not want to be down on the CEC / Boxing complex. I go there maybe once or twice a week, usually on Sunday at the moment when it is dead quite just to have a yack with a few ladies I have known for years. It is more or less a social visit not a mongering visit. Sundays and Saturdays the bars will have fewer girls and clients. Reason being is that the tourists are usually hitting the walking street markets that occur on these nights.

As far as Go Go venue is concerned, they are all within walking distance of each other (Spotlight a bit further out). Not really my scene. The venues are a lot smaller than Bangkok and once you have seen Bangkok clubs as far as standard of girls, number of girls, music, dancing, costumes, general attitude and professionalism. , CM clubs quickly lose any appeal. Some like Spotlight, some Foxy, Star XIX have never heard anything good about. Foxy would be my pick simply because it is a short walk from the CEC Boxing bars so if no joy you can double back to the bars. I am trying not to sound negative but in CM it is just not a case that a particular go go is "the" place to go. Much like the Spas (Sayuri / Pandora / Celeb) it is pretty much the same standard so I look at other factors like how to get there, what next, is it worth the travel time to A over be etc Go Gos have very few girls dancing most times single digits, a few layers of clothing, and shuffle more than dance as far as I am concerned. Again I have experienced the odd good night, as opposed to consistently good nights in Bangkok.

IF you are staying for a brief period like a week with no Thai language skills, at this time of year (raining and low season), I would generally stick to the CEC Boxing bars as you can wander from one to another easily, Foxy as a go go (or Spotlight a bit further walk) or Star XIX which is adjacent to the CEC Boxing bars but just not my scene (but again its a one minute walk if that for you to pop your head in so why not). Spa wise again there is no "the" place to go. Celeb wins for me as fixed price, not rushed, familiarity, no transport issues, enough of a selection through the day more so in evening after say 7,00 pm, Farang friendly no problem at all, papasans not pushy.

Mongers want different things as far as size, age, skin tone, PSE, GFE, language, silicone, bar theme, music style, volume etc and CM is just not big enough to cover all tastes. I actually enjoy going to the CEC Boxing bars but more to play pool, have a chat with a few girls, and just generally have a relaxing fun time. I am going to enjoy myself rather than monger (not that the two are mutually exclusive). I do have one Burmese 28 year old that I take out of there maybe once a week or fn. Not a stellar body but always fun with a great attitude, after a few drinks and she is well on the way to enjoying herself. Never had a problem with her. Stop at Tesco to pick up a few items for breakfast, romp at night, wake up romp in morning, she gets up showers and cooks breakfast, I get up shower and eat breakfast. Works for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for your detailed presentation of the mongering scene in CM. I'll be in CM for tourism purposes: anything that will "enlighten" my free time will just be a wellcome bonus.

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2069156]Dion / Ralph,

Sorry if this meanders a bit but thought I would cover a bit more general CM info as well as your questions.

Just a P.S. On the Sideline thing to start. Your chance with CMU (Chiang Mai University) girls are not good at all (and that is being very nice). It is the prestigious university, requires a lot of money to go there. The girls here have money, cars, fashion, rarely stray from Nimman, and eyes on a Thai sponsor / husband. If you find out the girl is going to Rajabhat or Payap your chances improve markedly, more so with Rajabhat. Even then most would prefer long term Thai sponsor. These girls need the money. At uni they will usually hang out in the Thai bars / clubs in Santitham. Post univ the CEC / Boxing bars are littered with graduates some last ditch husband hunting at 30, or kids and father Thai shot through so again not many in their early 20's). Like most of Thailand late in the month when money is short sees numbers of part timers and Line availability pick up.

Freelance wise for me is just a big no no in CM. Along the eastern inside road of the moat you will see them sitting on benches from about 10.00 pm. Not the same as Nana parking lot at all, older, bigger, below average as you go north along that road you come to younger and very much dirtier girls (after Thapae Gate). Age would be an issue here and language ability and skill level. Strictly no no with it for me. Throughout the whole length maybe a dozen tops in number..[/QUOTE]Your first 3 posts are great and I will use the information on my next trip. Very good. You come across like an old vet in Chiangmai. A welcome change. I'm pretty sure by the way your posts are written that you are actually already a memeber but you've had to change your handle and register again. Anyways no matter, love your posts.

I am just back from Chiang Mai where I stayed a week.

First of all, I am very pleased with my choice of hotel: Suriwongse on Loi Kroh road, right in the middle of the action. I didn't have to walk more than 200 meters to get to foxy lady or the girly bars.

The hotel is certified guest friendly: I brought back my catch and didn't stop at the reception desk.

It is easy to get some action but it clearly a much tamer atmosphere than Bangkok or even Phuket.

First stop, the "entertainment complex" : some good looking girls and I had a good time. I tried to barfine a cutie but she asked for 3000 THB for short time. I said I was ok for 1500 but not more and she countered with 2000. I refused and left.

Foxy Lady: huge disappointment. Two girls on stage, 4 sitting next to the podium playing with their phone, and three or four with customers (there were maybe 4 of us). An old dancer came to sit with me but I was not tempted in the least. A new set of girls started dancing and among them a looker with a perfect body. I asked for her to come to the waitress but she answered she was already with a customer. I didn't feel like staying any longer so I left without finishing my beer.

I went to Star Xix: once again, I was disappointed on arrival. 2 average looking girls on stage some others with the very few customers already there. Fortunately, a pretty one came to me, I bought her a lady drink and soon enough another one came: petite, very slim. I was quite happy but I was wondering if she was really interested because she kept coming and going (but not for dancing on stage). It was getting late and another cute girl arrived in the room, undressed in the corner and the girl who was with me said: "you like her, she's a wh_re" (at least that's what I understood). I said yes, so the girl sitting on my lap tells her to come and sit with us and 30 seconds later the new girl had her tongue in my mouth.

It was getting late and I finally barfined the last girl and we walked back to my hotel.

She did not disappoint: we undressed and immediately she started a bbj. She was very responsive and gave the impression to really enjoy the session.

I went also twice to Celeb: the first girl, a sideliner, was young and cute but the service was a bit rushed. The second time I took a regular (in the fishbowl) and she was much better. But both only provided covered blowjob.

I didn't go to Sayuri because it was further and I was lazy.

Last week I visited the Leelawadee Thai Massage, which is almost opposite Chiang Mai Railway station.

On the Charoen Muang Road heading from the town towards the Super highway, turn right in the Rotfal Ally, which is the Road where the railway station is. Travel down a few metres and on the right you will see the Oasis Hotel. That is it, the lower front of the of hotel is the Leelawadee Thai Massage. You can check it out on Google Street View.

Walked in and there was one old lady and another lady in her early 40's playing with her kid, a little boy. Got quoted 350 baht for an oil massage. Said OK; and the early 40's lady left her kid with the old lady and took me to the back of the shop into a semi wooden room with a sliding door. She began the so, so massage and after 20 minutes asked me if I wanted boom, boom for 1000 baht. Feeling desperate I went for it. She undressed and had the body one would expect of a 40 odd year old woman who had a kid or kids. No kissing, as cold as ice, asked me not to make any noise and could hear the kid shouting and running about outside the door. Got the deed over with, gave her the 1000 baht and paid the 350 baht massage fee outside. The whole deal lasted about 45 minutes.

So there you have it if you fancy a quick quite bang with an unattractive middle aged woman in a dumpy old massage parlour.

Hey all,

New here. Been going through a bunch of posts and have decided to check out Celeb (I'm living in the Niman area for the next 6 months so plan on checking out Ping Payom too). Anyway, this will be my first time at a soapy, hell, it will be my first time ever going to a brothel of any kind. So completely new to this, LOL.

A couple posts mentioned set prices, but other posts mentioned not asking the papasan about prices otherwise he'll raise them up. So when I go into Celebs, will the prices be listed and easy for me to see, or do I need to just assume it's something like 1400 Baht and give them the money without asking about prices?

[QUOTE=Mokilok;2085133]Hey all,

New here. Been going through a bunch of posts and have decided to check out Celeb (I'm living in the Niman area for the next 6 months so plan on checking out Ping Payom too). Anyway, this will be my first time at a soapy, hell, it will be my first time ever going to a brothel of any kind. So completely new to this, LOL.

A couple posts mentioned set prices, but other posts mentioned not asking the papasan about prices otherwise he'll raise them up. So when I go into Celebs, will the prices be listed and easy for me to see, or do I need to just assume it's something like 1400 Baht and give them the money without asking about prices?[/QUOTE]Well, as no one yet has replied to you, I'l have a bash at it.

There are no price lists displayed in any Chiang Mai soapy so-called massage parlours.

I have heard of customers being charged from 1200 baht up to 3000 baht according to the moods of the papasans and how gullible they think a customer is. On average you should expect to pay around the 1600 baht mark, but as I said; the prices can vary greatly. These prices are meant to be for 90 minutes but I have rarely heard of anyone receiving that amount of time.

Do not expect services to be anything close to what is available in Bangkok and Pattaya. Usually no massage involved, mechanical fast and furious service with plenty of tissues involved. If BJ offered at most times the girls will insist over a condom, no BBJ. Beware if the girl offers you a second condom for a second pop, as for a second pop you will be charged double the price you were first quoted.

I have read a few good reports and bad reports regarding the CM soapies, but it's very hit and miss. All depends on your expectations. The least you expect, the least disappointed you will be.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1880853]L live in CM been here since early 2013 on a retirement xtn. Have a live-in TG, but she is away on biz.

I'm not that big a monger in CM, although I have done a few from the LK bars. I don't usually go for the classic monger 'stunners' anyway, so the 'look-quality' is not really an issue for me.

I like the girls to be a little on the dark and chubby side, I like big arses, and slutty by nature, the 'outlaw' ladies, the non-conformists, even within the P4 P culture, and also must have a good dirty personality.

Guess what, some of the plain jane girls are the best fucks, who woulda thought?

Also, CM is nothing like the south, but I accept that, why pine for the impossible when a return flight to BKK and a spartan but clean room (in the current downturn) both cost less than a BKK session? I'm a glass-half-full monger.

I know you are down on the scene here, and I can't really give you any 'secret venues' but PM me if you want a beer, and say what district / suburb is convenient.

The Muang is not necessarily the best place for an intro / meet beer if we both don't live there, right? .[/QUOTE]Hi Oliver -- you're my kind of guy. Darker, chubbier, dirtier -- let the "models" with crap attitudes be fought over by others. Thinking of CM over Christmas weekend. Beer on me if you'd like to oogle some ladies.

Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TomsHouse;2107146]Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Clearly, you haven't tried very hard. Google map can help you pin point its location.

[QUOTE=TomsHouse;2107146]Can someone please tell me exactly where Celeb is? Figured from posts it's somewhere just west of the river near Loi Kroh but can't narrow it down from there.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Celeb Massage Parlor.

Chang Moi, Mueang Chiang Mai District, Chiang Mai 50100.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/RGHyJgL7oyz[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeoffAH;2068910]My apologies people. It would appear that the Line IDs I provided in my original post for the CM Spa businesses have been deleted or edited out. I did not think about any conflict with sponsors etc perhaps or perhaps Line IDs fall under same category as an email address, or link to posts on other sites with photos, both of which are not permissible on the forum. In hindsight is my bad. And hence will not be able to provide business Line IDs.

I could provide physical address of some but this negates the basis of my post, to use the Line App to make arrangements or view choices first, in Thai language etc.[/QUOTE]If you sign up for the paid subscription you can share info via private messages.

I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.

[QUOTE=MadMan1112;2125243]I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Can't wait to see if or what responses you get for this question.

[QUOTE=MadMan1112;2125243]I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert on CM but enjoy my twice yearly visits. I've had good times at the massage shops and the odd hit at a soapy but finding anal, not something I'm particularly into, in my opinion will not be straightforward. You can request anything anytime anywhere but finding it at a soapy not very likely but go ahead ask the worse that can happen they will say no.

My suggestion would be to work the bars, buy some drinks, have a good time and let it be known this is what you are interested in and are willing to pay extra for. Then wait and see who steps forward. I feel there will be some working girls that do it but they most likely will not the prettiest or youngest.

Anyone been to a karaoke in CM recently? 2 years ago I had a good time at one but don't remember the name, just remembers that they had the best looking girls to me in one spot. Just jumped into a tuk tuk with girly pics all around and asked to go to a massage but ended up there. Had a line ID from one of the girls but I guess she closed it. Will be in CM later this month and want to see if I can find a good spot. I've heard some karaoke bars are a little risky on their tab record keeping. Read some other sites recommending cherry bay / bey, anyone been there?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2107349]Celeb Massage Parlor.

Chang Moi, Mueang Chiang Mai District, Chiang Mai 50100.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/RGHyJgL7oyz[/URL][/QUOTE]Looking or something quick and easy, so I went to the Celebrities soapy, located 200 meters east of the Night Market. The fishbowl had ladies at 1500 and 1800 baht. I pulled a young 1800 baht lady, and off we went.

Once we were in the room, she got naked and she was stunning, perfect figure. She started the bath water, and gave me a Thai massage on the bed. Then I was led to the tub and given a bath, which seemed to be more for her benefit than mine. That lasted 5 minutes, and was not very stimulating, except for the girl being naked part.

Then, it was off to the bed, where I was given a covered BJ, and then she mounted me. Her position made it difficult to know if I was actually inside her, or somewhere between her legs. After a few seconds, I began to feel the stirrings of being about to cum, I tried to resist, and also I wanted to grab those titties. She responded by leaning back, I considered waiting her out and changing positions, but she was too hot, and I was too horny, and I finished. She pulled off the condom and held it up in triumph. Afterwards, she continued the massage, and then washed me down in the tub.

The tip was 200 baht.

I visited the SP Thai Massage in the Chang Klan Road. Oil massage 300 baht per hour. Got a plump woman, looks, 4 out of 10, asked her age, she said 34 but probably older.

After the so-called massage, which lasted about 10 minutes she asked if I wanted boom boom? I said OK but then the haggling started. How much you pay me? Offered her 1000 baht plus 300 baht massage fee. Then she said, you give me 1500 baht plus 300 baht for massage, but I stuck by my guns and told her 1300 baht inclusive, take it or leave it. She reluctantly said OK, she undressed and then again asked, can you give me 1500 baht? After that I'd had enough got bored, told her just give me a HJ because it felt impossible to feel relaxed, like being locked in a room with a high-pressure insurance salesman. She did let me finger her pussy, but no kissing. Then she began bouncing on top of me and groaning making out she was hot, but in-fact it was just her way of trying to get it over with a. S. a. P. In the end I helped myself while fingering her pussy. Whole deal lasted about 35 minutes. This was a couple of weeks ago, not been back since. These women are greedy, if received a decent service I would probably become a regular customer.

So there you have it, if fancying a quickie while having your head done in to give money, then try the SP Thai Massage.

Chang Klan Road, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Google map Coordinates 18.767369 - 98.999704.

This was the first stop of my 2nd trek through Thailand (Pattaya and Bangkok to follow) I'the honestly recommend fellow mongerers to save their capital for Pattaya / Bangkok! Just enjoy the great food (Cooking Love) and cheap clean massages (massages by ex prisoners).

Not much to say here, landed early evening and got some dinner. Stopped into Spotlight Agogo Christmas eve and was surprised by the amount of girls in there and few amount of dudes. Well not really it is Christmas eve, ha. Had a drink and surveyed what was available. #99 quickly caught my eye as she was a solid 8. When she got off the stage she immediately went to a customer so I did not bother. Bought some chicks for a few other girls, but nothing else really did it for me. We left. I guess I'm sleeping alone Christmas eve.

Stopped into Celeb Massage on the way to dinner, a couple lookers in there, but nothing that made me want to shell out the cash for it. Stopped into Foxy Lady around 11:30 and there were hardly any ladies in there. To Spotlight we went. Again nothing caught my eye. There were also a lot more dudes in there so we had a couple drinks and left. Walking back to the hotel down Loi Kroh Road, we happened to see a couple cute girls outside of the boxing beer bars. I made contact and at first they appeared to motion us away and crossed the road. We continued to walk and I gave another look and they motioned us to follow. OK I'll play the game. They lead us into My Tirak bar. Bought them drinks, stated what we wanted, agreed to 4000 LT, and off we went. As this happened 3 weeks ago, nothing really stands out. The girl (porn? Purn?) was shy in that she preferred to shower alone and came out with a towel on despite a pretty nice body. She was quite intimate during the session in terms of maintaining eye contact. Pounded her out twice and sent her on her way.

Our last night in Chiang Mai was a bit of a disaster. Didn't even bother with Spotlight, but walked through the beer bars. Our intention was to try a different one, but my buddies girl saw him when we were walking by outside and dragged him in. I saw my girl from the night before with a customer and another girl caught my eye from last night (Joy) so I figured I would go that route. OK, I knew better than to try and pull 2 girls from the same bar, but f it, I am only there one more night. Porn ended up coming up to me so I bought her a drink, but she was quite drunk and rotating between 2 guys. I wasn't going to try and get involved with that and the session was not that memorable anyway. Well long story short, Joy was playing pool with some other customers but I bought her drinks anyway. She came over and we talked terms same 4000 LT, great. An error here on my part was that we didn't really have much rapport and she did not seem that interested in me. Why did I keep buying her drinks? So the bar is closing down and the girls want to go to some other bar across the street that stays open past the closing time. I saw Joy and Porn talking about something and asked Joy about it and she said it was nothing. Well it turns out that Porn told her I paid her 4000 short time the night before! When we got back to the hotel Joy demanded the 4000 up front for short time! Get the f out of town. They walked out, good riddance.

The session probably would've sucked anyway, this money will be utilized much better in Patts.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2129328]Stopped into Celeb Massage on the way to dinner, a couple lookers in there, but nothing that made me want to shell out the cash for it. Stopped into Foxy Lady around 11:30 and there were hardly any ladies in there. To Spotlight we went. Again nothing caught my eye. There were also a lot more dudes in there so we had a couple drinks and left. Walking back to the hotel down Loi Kroh Road, we happened to see a couple cute girls outside of the boxing beer bars. I made contact and at first they appeared to motion us away and crossed the road. We continued to walk and I gave another look and they motioned us to follow. OK I'll play the game. They lead us into My Tirak bar. Bought them drinks, stated what we wanted, agreed to 4000 LT, and off we went. As this happened 3 weeks ago, nothing really stands out. The girl (porn? Purn?) was shy in that she preferred to shower alone and came out with a towel on despite a pretty nice body. She was quite intimate during the session in terms of maintaining eye contact. Pounded her out twice and sent her on her way.[/QUOTE]4000 baht for LT. Are you serious? I assume there would has been a bar fine plus drinks on top of that. You could have hired a top class escort for that amount of money. Sorry pal you were ripped off.

Hi everyone,

New here. Where would I go in CM to find really beautiful, stunning girls? Willing to pay reasonable amount, not looking for cheap HJ. Also I don't drink and don't like the whole bar scene, just looking for quality.

Thanks everyone for tips in advance!

[QUOTE=Tibedoh;2134100]Hi everyone,

New here. Where would I go in CM to find really beautiful, stunning girls? Willing to pay reasonable amount, not looking for cheap HJ. Also I don't drink and don't like the whole bar scene, just looking for quality.

Thanks everyone for tips in advance![/QUOTE]I doubt you will find this in Chiang Mai. I think CM has become the HJ capital of the world at FS prices.

Sometimes one maybe lucky to find a looker at one of the soapy so-called massage establishments, but hit and miss and the services are very mechanical, fast and furious. Besides them very little else available, if anything.

There are online escort agencies but most of those operate from outside of Chiang Mai and if requiring an escort they usually send one up from Bangkok at the customers expense, they also demand payments upfront, which means once paid the girls have achieved their objectives that is to get the money then after that whether a customer gets value for his money or not is again hit and miss. Expect to pay ridiculous prices for an escort service.

Otherwise, no, you won't find what you're looking for in Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2134580]I doubt you will find this in Chiang Mai. I think CM has become the HJ capital of the world at FS prices.

Sometimes one maybe lucky to find a looker at one of the soapy so-called massage establishments, but hit and miss and the services are very mechanical, fast and furious. Besides them very little else available, if anything.

There are online escort agencies but most of those operate from outside of Chiang Mai and if requiring an escort they usually send one up from Bangkok at the customers expense, they also demand payments upfront, which means once paid the girls have achieved their objectives that is to get the money then after that whether a customer gets value for his money or not is again hit and miss. Expect to pay ridiculous prices for an escort service.

Otherwise, no, you won't find what you're looking for in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]Thanks, what's the best soapy place in Chiang Mai to try, if I'm looking for prettier girls, better service and price is not main concern? I read there are 5 of them in the city. Celeb seems popular here, but has mixed reviews. Is Sayuri a good place to check? Also what time of the day should I go to get better selection of girls?

Just a quick report on Chiang Mai. First time ever, and there for five days, two on business, three to blow. Figured I'd check out the scene. But, where to begin. Gee, how about the ISG. Duh!

The hotel I stayed at was family friendly, no bar gals allowed. Cost was 900 baht / night, but would not recommend it on this board. Downloaded CM notes from the ISG and read. Mentioned was the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel. OK, walked there, about 20 minutes walk from my hotel. Lots of action around there. Found a night scene, MPs, bars, and gals certainly were friendly enough.

First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. Nice job. Second MP was between Mae Ping Hotel and Foxy Lady. Again, pretty much the same, 800 total for the HJ and massage, and again, I was the only person in the MP, no other customers. Third was down the street from Mae Ping on Loi Kroh Rd. She took off her top HJ, and nice time, recall damages was 800 baht. It was the only MP that had other customers. She made it clear that she'd be happy to spend the evening with me, which unfortunately I could not since I was leaving next morning to BKK (where I am now).

Visited Foxy Lady and got a 90 baht ice tea and spent figure 60 minutes there. Majority of the talent, below my standards. Three gals looked very nice. Rest were OK. I didn't even ask about BF or LDs, wasn't interested in either. Spoke to a guy who'd been living in CM for years, and he said nearly all the talent has been working at Foxy Lady for over five years, and reminisced the days when the talent was fresh.

In brief, based upon my first trip to CM for just a few days, I'd say good food, and things to do, buy (the night market is very cool). There a gym there costing 60 baht / day. Yes it had a small night scene, bar beers, MPs. BJs are HJs I suspect are available in nearly all the MPs w / a hot oil massage in the 800 - 1500 baht range. There could be a lot more there, but that was all I saw in the short time I was there. I could see spending a week or two there, perhaps. Or not.

Now need to RTFF for BKK updates.

--Popper

BTW: I took these pictures w/ my iPhone. Why are they sideways ... strange.

[QUOTE=Tibedoh;2136185]Thanks, what's the best soapy place in Chiang Mai to try, if I'm looking for prettier girls, better service and price is not main concern? I read there are 5 of them in the city. Celeb seems popular here, but has mixed reviews. Is Sayuri a good place to check? Also what time of the day should I go to get better selection of girls?[/QUOTE]They're all a much of muchness, meaning roughly about the same. They all have mixed reviews, no standard pricing, heard of customers being changed from 1200 baht to 3000 baht depending on how much they think a customer will pay. The service is fast, furious, mechanical and rarely is there any massage involved. Lookers are few and far between. Suppose to be a 90 minute service but no one ever gets that. Celebs used to be located at the Chiang Mai 2000 hotel that was so, so.

The Sayuri is meant to be the most popular, but I've heard they really try it on with the prices in there, also as it's busy, the odds are the girl you'll choose will have already been poked by several cocks before it's your turn and won't have much enthusiasm. Best times to visit, hard to tell. It's just the luck of the draw whether you will get a good one or not that is fresh and has the energy to perform.

I gave up on them years ago, definitely not good value for money anymore.

[QUOTE=Popper1;2136360]Just a quick report on Chiang Mai. First time ever, and there for five days, two on business, three to blow. Figured I'd check out the scene. But, where to begin. Gee, how about the ISG. Duh!

The hotel I stayed at was family friendly, no bar gals allowed. Cost was 900 baht / night, but would not recommend it on this board. Downloaded CM notes from the ISG and read. Mentioned was the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel. OK, walked there, about 20 minutes walk from my hotel. Lots of action around there. Found a night scene, MPs, bars, and gals certainly were friendly enough.

First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. Nice job. Second MP was between Mae Ping Hotel and Foxy Lady. Again, pretty much the same, 800 total for the HJ and massage, and again, I was the only person in the MP, no other customers. Third was down the street from Mae Ping on Loi Kroh Rd. She took off her top HJ, and nice time, recall damages was 800 baht. It was the only MP that had other customers. She made it clear that she'd be happy to spend the evening with me, which unfortunately I could not since I was leaving next morning to BKK (where I am now).

Visited Foxy Lady and got a 90 baht ice tea and spent figure 60 minutes there. Majority of the talent, below my standards. Three gals looked very nice. Rest were OK. I didn't even ask about BF or LDs, wasn't interested in either. Spoke to a guy who'd been living in CM for years, and he said nearly all the talent has been working at Foxy Lady for over five years, and reminisced the days when the talent was fresh.

In brief, based upon my first trip to CM for just a few days, I'd say good food, and things to do, buy (the night market is very cool). There a gym there costing 60 baht / day. Yes it had a small night scene, bar beers, MPs. BJs are HJs I suspect are available in nearly all the MPs w / a hot oil massage in the 800 - 1500 baht range. There could be a lot more there, but that was all I saw in the short time I was there. I could see spending a week or two there, perhaps. Or not.

Now need to RTFF for BKK updates.

--Popper

BTW: I took these pictures w/ my iPhone. Why are they sideways ... strange.[/QUOTE]Mostly all the massage parlours in and around the city are offering HJs now, that's because business has become so bad that the staff need to provide extras to supplement their low incomes. In the Loi Kroh Road I've had reports of female staff demanding 1500 baht for a so-called quicky massage and HJ and some are quite aggressive, if not wanting a HJ the girls soon lose interest in the massage and many refuse to take no for an answer. So I stay well clear of those places.

The 3 main CM bars, Foxy Lady, Spotlight and Star Six have become over priced complete dumps, I lost interest in those too, no longer find them appealing in the least.

I am one of the guys like the guy you met, who has lived in CM for several years and have experienced better days on the CM mongering scene.

I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in November, and I'm only now writing this because I just signed up to the forum. For reference, I'm a white dude and speak no Thai, but that didn't seem to get in the way of anything, and never even had to use my phone to translate. I spent most of my time on Loi Kroh road. The first six days I stayed at Hotel Montha. I highly recommend it at $19 per night, guest friendly, and very nice clean rooms. Bed was a little hard but I was drinking enough that it it didn't matter! The other four nights were at Duangtawan Hotel, which was also nice and guest friendly, but it was $50 per night so Montha was a much better deal.

As for mongering, I got four oil massages at 250 baht, and all but one pressured me into HJ with no offers for anything else. The first two were great 45 massages, they asked about HJ, haggling, ending up at 1000 baht including the massage. The last one was two girls as I was drunkenly walking back to my hotel at 3 am, 750 baht each, 30 minute massage, HJ, tits out, groping.

I had mixed results with bar girls. The first night I was there I went out right at midnight when everything was closing, so I didn't have many options. I ended up with a petite older lady, 1500 baht for short time. She was 42 but still had a nice tight body. I took her to my hotel and I popped fast, like five minutes. In my defense it was my first time with an escort, I was stone sober, and she knew what she was doing. She was disappointed so after a little DATY we went for round 2 which ended with BBBJ. I tipped her 200 baht which she seemed very happy with. Overall a great first experience! Next time was a street girl who someone later told me was trans, but I didn't care because if she was she was post-op and I couldn't tell the difference. They could have been wrong though. Anyway, 1000 baht and I couldn't pop after about 30 minutes and I just kinda got bored so I have up. She was kinda disappointed too, she really seemed to want to please me. I assured her it was all good, I was very drunk, and gave her 1200 baht. The next time a girl dragged me into a bar on Loi Kroh Rd, I had one Chang, and asked if she wanted to split. She said 2000 baht, I said 1500, and we left. In my hotel she asked that I pay first, which I did, but I should have known that was a bad sign. After about 15 minutes of BBBJ I tried to fuck her and she refused. BJ only. I was pissed and couldn't pop, and she finally just left. With full payment. Never pay first! The other time was a super hot alt-looking chick with purple contacts and covered in tattoos. We agreed on 1500 plus 500 bar fine and she came back to my hotel. She was definitely the best fuck I had on my whole trip with the bonus of a nice soapy shower afterwards.

I went to Celebs soapy three times (I'd heard good things, and it was walking distance from my hotels). There are two groups of girls in the fish tank, one side was younger (18-25) with less experience, and higher priced at 1800 baht. The other side was mostly older (25-40?) but the host said they're better at massage and they were 1400 baht. The first time I picked a gorgeous young girl from the expensive side. Everything was very mechanical, massage was non-existent, and she just didn't seem to be into it at all. Second time I sat there for about 5 minutes and really didn't see anyone I wanted to hook up with, so I left. The host was totally cool with this. The third time I picked a nice looking girl, maybe 30, from the cheaper side. She was very attentive, gave a great quick massage while we were waiting for the tub to fill up, nice rubbing in the tub, and pretty great boom boom. I would go back there, but the hosts were right. The higher priced side has prettier girls, but the lower priced side has much better service.

I had the best experiences at Absolute Paradise Spa. This is a body-to-body oil massage place with 90 minutes at 1400 baht for most girls, 1600 for some, or 2000 for two girls, all including HJ. I went there four times, and I wish I had gone more. They bring out a lineup of all of the girls working at the time. I think there were 6, 3, 5, and 1 girls the times I went. There are some beautiful girls here. I think they were all under 25, nice bodies, very pretty faces. They start with a soapy shower with lots of awesome body-to-body rubbing. Then you move to the bed for nuru-style body-to-body oily rubbing and HJ. The standout thing here is they actually do the full 90 minutes and I popped twice every time. The first time was with probably the most gorgeous girl I saw in Thailand. She didn't offer any extras and I didn't ask, but round 2 in a 69 DATY while getting HJ was plenty good for me! I gave her a 500 baht tip because I thought the 2 pops was worth it. Second girl wasn't as pretty, but still great. She offered sex for 2000 baht that I declined, and CBJ for 500 that I accepted because I was probably going to tip her 500 anyway. The third time I picked two girls which was a lot of fun because there was a lot of laughing and joking, but still 100% attention on me. One of the girls jokingly asked about going out to dinner afterwards and I'm still kicking myself for not trying to meet her outside the spa. There was definitely a language barrier though since I don't speak Thai. The last time was amazing. There was only one girl to choose from and she was 1600 baht, but she was super hot so I had no problem with that. She was very pretty, tall (probably 5'9), banging body, and fake tits, though I'm pretty indifferent about that. Her name was Champagne, and unfortunately she's the only one I remember her name. Anyway, after the usual routine, pop once from HJ, second HJ is taking a while and she says, "you want fuck?" I asked how much, 1000 baht, and we were off to the races. She was a pretty great performer and it didn't take long for #2.

That's about all I remember. I had a fantastic trip and ate some of the best food in my life, and will definitely be going back.

[QUOTE=SpaceAce;2141415]I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in November[/QUOTE]Thanks for the excellent in depth report. I had wanted to check out Chiang Mai but I didn't want to go sexless for days either. This convinced me to go.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2142917]Thanks for the excellent in depth report. I had wanted to check out Chiang Mai but I didn't want to go sexless for days either. This convinced me to go.[/QUOTE]Going sexless would be tough, the bar girls can be very aggressive on Loi Kroh Rd! Just make sure to discuss what you want before you leave the bar. In addition to my one BJ only experience, there were a few more who I talked to who told me "no boom boom" and were BJ only. It always cost a drink or two to find that out, but it's better than being really disappointed in the room!

[QUOTE=SpaceAce;2141415]I spent 10 days in Chiang Mai back in November[/QUOTE]Thanks for joining and posting such a detailed report. I want to go to Chaing Mai. I do have a question though, you tipped everybody, was there a reason for it? I'm asking because I'm curious if tipping is the norm in Chaing Mai (I want to check it out myself) because it's not here in BKK. If any of the older hands care to share I would like to know before I go.

[QUOTE=SpaceAce;2141415] That's about all I remember. I had a fantastic trip and ate some of the best food in my life, and will definitely be going back.[/QUOTE]Loved this post.

So much negative stuff about nothing worth mentioning in Chiang Mai. Goes to show with managed expectations and a happy go lucky positive attitude you can have a good time there.

On my trips sure it's not Bangkok but I've always found it enjoyably worthwhile mostly with visits to the massage shops and the odd encounter from the bars.

I enjoy the more laid back vibe of the place and rarely find the girls aggressive.

Agree with the need to check on what you're getting for your money and not paying upfront but that's holds true everywhere.

Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.

[QUOTE=Eagle1987;2143385]Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.[/QUOTE]Lots of ladies there. Go for it.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2143080]Thanks for joining and posting such a detailed report. I want to go to Chaing Mai. I do have a question though, you tipped everybody, was there a reason for it? I'm asking because I'm curious if tipping is the norm in Chaing Mai (I want to check it out myself) because it's not here in BKK. If any of the older hands care to share I would like to know before I go.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it's the norm, I had heard that you can get extras from tipping. I actually didn't tip everyone, only those who I felt went beyond what we agreed to, like MSOG.

[QUOTE=Eagle1987;2143385]Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.[/QUOTE]Yes and so is Tinder you can try it for free and pay if you want to continue. They just make you wait for 10 minutes to send each message if its in free mode.

After reading a lot about celeb on this forum went there and everything was almost as mentioned in the forum. There were two sides cheaper side which was brightly lit up and expensive side which was kind of dark. The cheaper side had around 8-10 ladies while expensive side had 6 only. The cheaper side ladies looked like trans and therefore didn't want to try it. Went for expensive side where there were 3 ladies waving at me but I really liked the one in black who wasn't waving and was looking at her phone. She was wearing nice black outfit. So I chose her, went to the desk and paid, there is absolutely no bargains. But The prices I think are pretty reasonable specially where unlike Bangkok you don't have to tip the papasan. While the payment is done (they also accept credit cards) you turn around the girl is already waiting at the elevator. The girl puts your arms around her in the elevator. Once you reach the floor with the rooms, she asks you, if you want to use restrooms, which I recommend doing so, as there are no attached toilets in the room. And all that action you get on jhonny, its always better to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] first before you go. So we go in this room as usual asked if you want a drink, to which I said yes we both get a beer. Sometimes drinking is better as by the time bath tub fills up you get to chat a bit and also get a little kissing and groping action sort of GFE. The drinks are bit expensive which I learned later when the bill came. After that both get naked nice massaging and BBBJ in the bath tub, after which they take you to bed with so called be. S Massage. Immediately after which she was on her knees begging for Doggy Style then she on top and finish with missionary. She was also moaning loudly the whole time which I am sure was fake. But was good for the jonny's ego I guess lolz.

Overall had a decent time and was satisfied enough to go back.

[QUOTE=Eagle1987;2143385]Hi guys,

Eagle here. I'm travelling to Chiang mae next month. I would like to know if Thai friendly app is worth using for dating. My PM is active.[/QUOTE]Very much so.

I had visited Pattaya few moths ago and banged a few hotties off TF. I even bought a premiummembership for this purpose for one month.

You need to hunt a bit though. My experience is about 10-20% will respond. Be polite, they know what you are up to mostly. Pm me if you want more details. I practically crawled WS!

Cheers and have a blast.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2062433]You are the most stubborn member on the board I think. If nothing else, you conveniently left out We Chat which will be full of freelancers and all the others you came up with an excuse why you don't want to use them or can't use them or can't see anything. So up to you, continue posting this dribble about there not being any Chiangmai freelancers for what? When I'm there next month, I will post screenshots of We Chat for you to see. Will that convince you?[/QUOTE]I really struggle with We Chat. I'm fine on other apps (PinaLove, etc.) but this just never seems to work for me. What is your technique?

Well as you read my last post. I was satisfied with cleb, so went back the next day. This time they remembered me and asked If I wanted the same girl as the night before (but she wasn't sitting in the line up). I said No, as I really liked this chick in the expensive side lineup and as a plus she was waving hard at me. Bingo! Went to the same process. Went to the room. But to my surprise this room was a bit darkly lit compared to the one I had night before. So I asked her to change the room, she was bit surprised at first but I was able to make her understand through google translator. She called by downstairs and within minutes, she took me to other room which had a better lighting. So we start the same process all over mentioned in older post. Same exact things just a different girl. This girl was bit more friendlier than the last one and of course was better looking. I asked her if there were any trans in the cheaper line up, to which she said no. And she showed me the street outside window where it was full of trans. She told me that's where you find trans not here.

Overall it was value for money. When and in Chiang Mai would definitely go back.

[QUOTE=Popper1;2136360]First MP I went to was across from the Shangri-La (a rather expensive hotel), and I just assumed it was legit. Boy, I assumed wrong. Got the oil massage for 250 baht, and was taken to the end of the hallway to a nice size bed. Cool. There was no one inside the place except for me and her. Soon she offered 500 be for a HJ, 1000 for a BJ. We compromised and I paid 1000 baht in total for a hand job with her top off. [/QUOTE]Hey Popper,

Nice mini stories, actually I was looking at 2 massage place opposite Shang' the other day, one a tall red building 'Plearn Massage'? And another minor parlour to the right of it, do you know which one are you mentioning here?

[QUOTE=MissionBJ;2153527]The cheaper side had around 8-10 ladies while expensive side had 6 only. The cheaper side ladies looked like trans and therefore didn't want to try it.[/QUOTE]Great reviews!!

I can safely say that you will never find a ladyboy in regular soapy / oily establishments in LOS, and if they have ladyboys, they will tell upfront.

Thais in the P4 P industry will lie about a lot of things but I have yet to see a proper establishment try and deceive its customers.

If there is one thing you need to be worried about, it's the age of girls. If they look really young, just be careful, some may be under 18 and my advice is to give them a pass (just learn Thai years and count back when they show you the ID).

[QUOTE=MadMan1112;2125243]I'll be in CM on the 18th, wondering how available anal is. Is that something I can request at a soapy? Much appreciated. Not interested in ladyboys.[/QUOTE]I'm here in CM now 1st visit staying 3 days.

Any pharmacies here offering the kamagra or sidegra?

I was recommended peera, but visited today and she said it's not available.

I've been living in Santitam for a while, it's a nice area not far from everything. One day, I walk around and see this new place. It's called Daisuki or something.

The logo looked a bit different from the usual boring Thai massage pictures with a lady laying down and massage fingers on her back that you see everywhere in Chiang Mai, they all copy that from the internet. So I decide to go in.

A beautiful receptionist greets me in perfect English. I ask her if the place is for massage, stupid question of course, that was already written on the outside.

She says yes, hands me the menu. This is not the usual menu I see everywhere, my intuition was right, this is a different place.

This is our best-seller the girl says: Gogo-nutz massage.

What the hack is that? I ask. She turns the page and there is an explanation. The Gogo-nutz massage makes most men go nuts.

I laugh, well give me that, I say. Did you think of that yourself? She smiles.

A few girls show up, I can choose. Great, I hate to be allocated a plumb ugly girl. I choose Nit, but she has another booking soon. I ask if the receptionist is available, but she says she's the owner. So Ploy it is, if I remember correctly. She is not very beautiful, just cute, but I want to get a feel about what this place is about.

She takes me to a private room, we pass curtain rooms but we don't go in there.

I undress and lay down on my belly as if it's an oil massage.

She comes back in and starts to massage my legs. The massage is so so, but there is something about it that makes it quite pleasant. The softness of her hands? The slow approaching of my scrotum? The hesitation turn when she reaches my ass?

I start to get a hard-on. Now, her hands accidentally hit my boner, my balls, when she tries to reach my inner leg. I get even harder.

With every move, she does something that makes me want more. First I relax and sleep with the stroke of her hands on my legs, then she wakes him up by accident. I love it.

Now she puts a pillow under my knee. To reach the muscles on the other side, she says.

I wonder which muscles.

Her hands come dangerously close to my scrotum, then at the next move, touch it.

By this time, I'm getting quite excited. This is different from the 30 min massage without any feeling and 10 min 'do you want special' that I'm used to.

When she finally fully touches my cock, I have trouble not to come.

But she keeps going, and doesn't force me to ejaculate.

Can you sit like a dog? She asks.

Surprised, I say I'm not gay.

Not for gay, she says, so I sit up.

She now grabs my dick full on from behind, in between my legs, and I love it. I didn't realize I love it. With every stroke, she also touches my ass. I'm sure I'm not gay but somehow this feels good.

I almost come again, but she stops and let me turn over.

The rest of the handjob happens slow and careful, screwdriver movements, one hand stroking my balls the other around my stem, like a gun ready to be fired off.

When I finally come it's a fountain and a great relief.

Gogo-nutz massage. Did I go nuts? Well, maybe not yet, but then it was good. I normally go for full sex, but this type of very slow massage has it benefits.

Worthwhile to try.

Shop is in Santitam, near a 7 Eleven, forgot the name of the street. Basically walk from the Ram hospital straight on, and turn left at the first 7 Eleven.

[QUOTE=Tsunami;2179324]I've been living in Santitam for a while, it's a nice area not far from everything. One day, I walk around and see this new place. It's called Daisuki or something.

The logo looked a bit different from the usual boring Thai massage pictures with a lady laying down and massage fingers on her back that you see everywhere in Chiang Mai, they all copy that from the internet. So I decide to go in.

A beautiful receptionist greets me in perfect English. I ask her if the place is for massage, stupid question of course, that was already written on the outside.

She says yes, hands me the menu. This is not the usual menu I see everywhere, my intuition was right, this is a different place.

This is our best-seller the girl says: Gogo-nutz massage.

What the hack is that? I ask. She turns the page and there is an explanation. The Gogo-nutz massage makes most men go nuts.

I laugh, well give me that, I say. Did you think of that yourself? She smiles.

A few girls show up, I can choose. Great, I hate to be allocated a plumb ugly girl. I choose Nit, but she has another booking soon. I ask if the receptionist is available, but she says she's the owner. So Ploy it is, if I remember correctly. She is not very beautiful, just cute, but I want to get a feel about what this place is about.

She takes me to a private room, we pass curtain rooms but we don't go in there.

I undress and lay down on my belly as if it's an oil massage.

She comes back in and starts to massage my legs. The massage is so so, but there is something about it that makes it quite pleasant. The softness of her hands? The slow approaching of my scrotum? The hesitation turn when she reaches my ass?

I start to get a hard-on. Now, her hands accidentally hit my boner, my balls, when she tries to reach my inner leg. I get even harder.

With every move, she does something that makes me want more. First I relax and sleep with the stroke of her hands on my legs, then she wakes him up by accident. I love it.

Now she puts a pillow under my knee. To reach the muscles on the other side, she says.

I wonder which muscles.

Her hands come dangerously close to my scrotum, then at the next move, touch it.

By this time, I'm getting quite excited. This is different from the 30 min massage without any feeling and 10 min 'do you want special' that I'm used to.

When she finally fully touches my cock, I have trouble not to come.

But she keeps going, and doesn't force me to ejaculate.

Can you sit like a dog? She asks.

Surprised, I say I'm not gay.

Not for gay, she says, so I sit up.

She now grabs my dick full on from behind, in between my legs, and I love it. I didn't realize I love it. With every stroke, she also touches my ass. I'm sure I'm not gay but somehow this feels good.

I almost come again, but she stops and let me turn over.

The rest of the handjob happens slow and careful, screwdriver movements, one hand stroking my balls the other around my stem, like a gun ready to be fired off.

When I finally come it's a fountain and a great relief.

Gogo-nutz massage. Did I go nuts? Well, maybe not yet, but then it was good. I normally go for full sex, but this type of very slow massage has it benefits.

Worthwhile to try.

Shop is in Santitam, near a 7 Eleven, forgot the name of the street. Basically walk from the Ram hospital straight on, and turn left at the first 7 Eleven.[/QUOTE]How old was the woman, did she strip off, could you touch her and how long and how much for this glorified HJ?

[QUOTE=Tsunami;2179324]Shop is in Santitam, near a 7 Eleven, forgot the name of the street. Basically walk from the Ram hospital straight on, and turn left at the first 7 Eleven.[/QUOTE]Can you be a little more specific on where this shop is. Turning left leaving Ram hospital takes you quickly to an intersection. Where is it from there? With respect in Thailand saying its near a 7 Eleven is as relevant as saying you can get noodles nearby. Thanks if you care to reply.

[URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-daisuki-massage-by-lolita-chiang-mai-p101[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jijjy;2179959][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-daisuki-massage-by-lolita-chiang-mai-p101[/URL][/QUOTE]Many thanks Jiffy. Looking forward to visiting on my upcoming Chiangmai trip.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2179961]Many thanks Jiffy. Looking forward to visiting on my upcoming Chiangmai trip.[/QUOTE]Sorry many thanks Jijjy.

[QUOTE=Jijjy;2179959][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-daisuki-massage-by-lolita-chiang-mai-p101[/URL][/QUOTE]Seen all this before. The prices listed on the menu are only the starting prices. Once into the massage the girl will either begin the haggling or give a set price usually an extra 1000 baht, if the customer wishes the girl to undress. Once she's undressed the girl still inhibits what the guy can do. Limited touching and no sex. So it's a glorified HJ with just a bit of titillation that will cost you over 2000 baht for the so-called full service.

This is what they mean in the small print where is quotes: (However, most masseuses here are willing and able to treat certain aching body parts of your body, and you can discuss your needs individually with the therapist.)

There are many of these types of places now scattered around Chiang Mai, prices may vary but they're all much of the same thing.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2180129]There are many of these types of places now scattered around Chiang Mai, prices may vary but they're all much of the same thing.[/QUOTE]Arthur,

As a frequent visitor I always enjoy my visits to Chiangmai. However it would seem for you as a long time suffering expat P4P is sadly an apocalyptic wasteland of biblical proportions.

Without doubt it doesn't compare to Bangkok Pattaya or Phuket, consequently my expectations are proportionally managed and realistic and as my stays are relatively short it's always a pleasant escape from the humdrum of Bangkok.

This new shop seems to offer something different than the usual fare available on the Loi Kroh, Kampangdin, Night Market circuit so my question to you as our resident expert is if you are not simply comparing Daisuki to these but as claimed know of other similar shops can you please let me know where they are located so I can give them a call in the not too distant future.

Thanks Franciscass.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2181648]Arthur,

As a frequent visitor I always enjoy my visits to Chiangmai. However it would seem for you as a long time suffering expat P4P is sadly an apocalyptic wasteland of biblical proportions.

Without doubt it doesn't compare to Bangkok Pattaya or Phuket, consequently my expectations are proportionally managed and realistic and as my stays are relatively short it's always a pleasant escape from the humdrum of Bangkok.

This new shop seems to offer something different than the usual fare available on the Loi Kroh, Kampangdin, Night Market circuit so my question to you as our resident expert is if you are not simply comparing Daisuki to these but as claimed know of other similar shops can you please let me know where they are located so I can give them a call in the not too distant future.

Thanks Franciscass.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-anime-kawaii-shop-chiang-mai-p88[/URL] - Visited there several times. 500 baht extra for HJ, 1000 baht extra for girl undress HJ. Good selection of young beautiful girls, mostly students.

[URL]https://foursquare.com/v/pretty-club--massage/4df370e562e1288ed303d3dd[/URL] Selection of beautiful girls, mostly students. B2B. 1000 baht extra for girl undress.

SP Thai Massage in the Chang Klan Road. FS offered. From 1000 to 1500 baht. Woman 4 out of 10.

Leelawadee Thai Massage, which is almost opposite Chiang Mai Railway station. FS offered. 1000 baht. Woman 3 out of 10.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2181994][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-anime-kawaii-shop-chiang-mai-p88[/URL] - Visited there several times. 500 baht extra for HJ, 1000 baht extra for girl undress HJ. Good selection of young beautiful girls, mostly students.

[URL]https://foursquare.com/v/pretty-club--massage/4df370e562e1288ed303d3dd[/URL] Selection of beautiful girls, mostly students. B2B. 1000 baht extra for girl undress.

SP Thai Massage in the Chang Klan Road. FS offered. From 1000 to 1500 baht. Woman 4 out of 10.

Leelawadee Thai Massage, which is almost opposite Chiang Mai Railway station. FS offered. 1000 baht. Woman 3 out of 10.[/QUOTE]Many thanks Arthur, hope you find some unexpected fun in Chiangmai at some stage.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2182014]Many thanks Arthur, hope you find some unexpected fun in Chiangmai at some stage.[/QUOTE]Thanks Franciscass.

For the best deal in Chiang Mai for glorified HJs, I recommend: Anime Kawaii Shop Chiang Mai. The place is a dump, but the girls are young and pretty and also the prices are set, even the extras, so there is no haggling.

In my case I've become bored with HJs and that's probably because I was spoiled in the past and seen the mongering scene in Chiang Mai, when it was good value and better with many options before all the clampdowns and big business got involved. I just don't think that these HJ parlours are good value for money and why I stopped using them. Not that I expect cheap, don't mind paying if they have something decent on offer.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2181994][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-anime-kawaii-shop-chiang-mai-p88[/URL] - Visited there several times. 500 baht extra for HJ, 1000 baht extra for girl undress HJ. Good selection of young beautiful girls, mostly students. [/QUOTE]Hi Arthur,

I went here like 2 years ago, took just oil massage 1:30 HR, but when I tried the old 'can you special' to massage girl she said I should book ahead more time? - and re-book, anyway, you mentioned the prices are set, so do I need to book a different type of massage first or I just got a girl trying to get me back for more first? LOL. My Thai is pretty good also. Thanks.

JM.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2182284]Thanks Franciscass.

For the best deal in Chiang Mai for glorified HJs, I recommend: Anime Kawaii Shop Chiang Mai. The place is a dump, but the girls are young and pretty and also the prices are set, even the extras, so there is no haggling.

In my case I've become bored with HJs and that's probably because I was spoiled in the past and seen the mongering scene in Chiang Mai, when it was good value and better with many options before all the clampdowns and big business got involved. I just don't think that these HJ parlours are good value for money and why I stopped using them. Not that I expect cheap, don't mind paying if they have something decent on offer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JasonMaxed;2182386]Hi Arthur,

I went here like 2 years ago, took just oil massage 1:30 HR, but when I tried the old 'can you special' to massage girl she said I should book ahead more time? - and re-book, anyway, you mentioned the prices are set, so do I need to book a different type of massage first or I just got a girl trying to get me back for more first? LOL. My Thai is pretty good also. Thanks.

JM.[/QUOTE]I've visited there three times. The last time I went was 9 months ago and I've always gone about 6. 00 pm and never booked, just turned up there. I go for the Oil massage 1 hour + Akasuri 30 min. Total 1. 5 hours THB 600. Requested the body scrub first and then the girl took me upstairs to a room for the oil massage. Each time the girls offered me the extras without having to ask. So with the girl naked, total cost 1600 baht.

As I said; the place is a dump but the girls are very young and pretty, usually about 10 to choose from, but it's all very mechanical.

I don't know why the girl didn't offer any extras in your case, the place is geared up for giving extras, but intimate touching and FS is a no, no there, as are most of those parlours, unless you strike lucky.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2182284]Thanks Franciscass.

For the best deal in Chiang Mai for glorified HJs, I recommend: Anime Kawaii Shop Chiang Mai. The place is a dump, but the girls are young and pretty and also the prices are set, even the extras, so there is no haggling.

In my case I've become bored with HJs and that's probably because I was spoiled in the past and seen the mongering scene in Chiang Mai, when it was good value and better with many options before all the clampdowns and big business got involved. I just don't think that these HJ parlours are good value for money and why I stopped using them. Not that I expect cheap, don't mind paying if they have something decent on offer.[/QUOTE]Seem similar to the Kapoo shops here in Bangkok. I've been a couple of times but found the experience less than satisfying. Even if she is a young university girl poor HJ skills and no touching will not get me off. That said a slow sensual nude massage by an open minded experienced masseuse combined with good HJ skills is fine and dandy.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2181994][URL]http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-anime-kawaii-shop-chiang-mai-p88[/URL] - Visited there several times. 500 baht extra for HJ, 1000 baht extra for girl undress HJ. Good selection of young beautiful girls, mostly students.

[URL]https://foursquare.com/v/pretty-club--massage/4df370e562e1288ed303d3dd[/URL] Selection of beautiful girls, mostly students. B2B. 1000 baht extra for girl undress.

SP Thai Massage in the Chang Klan Road. FS offered. From 1000 to 1500 baht. Woman 4 out of 10.

Leelawadee Thai Massage, which is almost opposite Chiang Mai Railway station. FS offered. 1000 baht. Woman 3 out of 10.[/QUOTE]There's actually no extra charge for full nude at Anime Kawaii. Or at least it's not set by the shop. It's up for negotiation. I've been several times, had uni students sat on my face nude while wanking me off. Never gave them more than 500.

I would like to know the Chiang Mai Gogo / Beer Bar Price for LT and ST now.

I have never been to the Beer Bars before and don't know how to play inside.

Visited Sayuri before for the price is 1800 B.

[QUOTE=Zjfgdb;2187492]I would like to know the Chiang Mai Gogo / Beer Bar Price for LT and ST now.

I have never been to the Beer Bars before and don't know how to play inside.

Visited Sayuri before for the price is 1800 B.[/QUOTE]There are only 3 Gogo bars in the whole of Chiang Mai. Spotlight, Foxy Lady and the Star Six. The Star Six used to charge an admission fee but due to a decline in customers have discontinued the admission fee. The Star Six has also been made smaller.

These are of poor quality compared with the Gogo bars in Bangkok and Pattaya. Very tame and these days mostly frequented by young backpackers, their girlfriends and young tourist groups on a night out.

The last time I visited Star Six the only 2 girls available for take out quoted me 2000 baht short time, plus 600 baht bar fine. I dared not ask how much for long time. I offered 1500 for short time plus 600 baht bar fine, but they wouldn't budge on the price. I guess the other 2 bars will charge roughly about the same. A friend told me that last year, after several years, he decided to visit the Spotlight. Was quoted 6000 baht for long time plus 600 baht bar fine. Needless to say; he finished his drink and left there alone, he's not been back since.

Also customers are expected to buy drinks and lady drinks even before any girls will agree to go out with them.

No nudity, no sex shows, not even a Hello, welcome, all banned by the police.

Some other points, I've heard the mamasan in Foxy Lady is very pushy to make customers buy drinks, and in all those bars sometimes girls will lead customers on to buy them drinks then make an excuse and refuse to go out with them. If having an eye on any particular girl, ask first if she's available as a takeaway and how much she charges before buying drinks. Some may demand payment upfront, don't fall for that old trick. There have been cases when girls have been paid and then done a disappearing act.

I have been informed that the original Spotlight Gogo bar has closed down, and has moved somewhere nearby and seems to have been degraded to an ordinary beerbar.

Haven't checked this out myself yet, but if correct, this means there are now only 2 Gogo bars left in the whole of Chiang Mai, the Foxy Lady and the Star Six.

Hi all,

I'll be staying in the Nimman area (just near Maya lifestyle shopping centre). I know this area isn't where there's much action to be found. However, am curious to know if anyone has ever found a massage shop that offers happy endings in Nimman? Thanks, Krumlov.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2187782]There are only 3 Gogo bars in the whole of Chiang Mai. Spotlight, Foxy Lady and the Star Six. The Star Six used to charge an admission fee but due to a decline in customers have discontinued the admission fee. The Star Six has also been made smaller.

These are of poor quality compared with the Gogo bars in Bangkok and Pattaya. Very tame and these days mostly frequented by young backpackers, their girlfriends and young tourist groups on a night out.

The last time I visited Star Six the only 2 girls available for take out quoted me 2000 baht short time, plus 600 baht bar fine. I dared not ask how much for long time. I offered 1500 for short time plus 600 baht bar fine, but they wouldn't budge on the price. I guess the other 2 bars will charge roughly about the same. A friend told me that last year, after several years, he decided to visit the Spotlight. Was quoted 6000 baht for long time plus 600 baht bar fine. Needless to say; he finished his drink and left there alone, he's not been back since.

Also customers are expected to buy drinks and lady drinks even before any girls will agree to go out with them.

No nudity, no sex shows, not even a Hello, welcome, all banned by the police.

Some other points, I've heard the mamasan in Foxy Lady is very pushy to make customers buy drinks, and in all those bars sometimes girls will lead customers on to buy them drinks then make an excuse and refuse to go out with them. If having an eye on any particular girl, ask first if she's available as a takeaway and how much she charges before buying drinks. Some may demand payment upfront, don't fall for that old trick. There have been cases when girls have been paid and then done a disappearing act.[/QUOTE]I tried the brothel near Chang Phuak Soi 4 half a year ago. The price was 600 B+120 B Short time hotel.

The pimp will try to ask 1200 B for 1 hour (it's all bullshit) at first, and you should bargain it in 600+120 B.

Remember don't give money to the pimp before you choose your girl. The first time I went there (I can speak very basic thai), I gave money to pimp before chose my girl, they send me a very bad attitude granny and what the fuck.

[QUOTE=Zjfgdb;2193302]I tried the brothel near Chang Phuak Soi 4 half a year ago. The price was 600 B+120 B Short time hotel.

The pimp will try to ask 1200 B for 1 hour (it's all bullshit) at first, and you should bargain it in 600+120 B.

Remember don't give money to the pimp before you choose your girl. The first time I went there (I can speak very basic thai), I gave money to pimp before chose my girl, they send me a very bad attitude granny and what the fuck.[/QUOTE]The price you were quoted was correct.

It's 600 baht for 30 minutes excluding whatever it costs for the room. After 30 minutes someone knocks on the door and shouts; time up. All you had to do was tell the pimp you only want half an hour. 1200 baht for an hour is a fair price these days.

These places are not Farang friendly, that are concerned about bringing too much attention to themselves from the police and probably why you were given attitude. Tried it once some years ago, wouldn't bother going again.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2193633]The price you were quoted was correct.

It's 600 baht for 30 minutes excluding whatever it costs for the room. After 30 minutes someone knocks on the door and shouts; time up. All you had to do was tell the pimp you only want half an hour. 1200 baht for an hour is a fair price these days.

These places are not Farang friendly, that are concerned about bringing too much attention to themselves from the police and probably why you were given attitude. Tried it once some years ago, wouldn't bother going again.[/QUOTE]I have visited some small town of Chiang Mai without tourism before. I went to the Local Karaoke there and the girl asked 2500-3000 be for LT. Is it Reasonable price in small local town in Chiang Mai? I heard about the real price was 2000 LT.

As a newbie could you give me some tips about finding the action in Thailand? Last time I was in Chiang Rai I went into a Shackhouse Karaoke with LED light outside the door and I just ordered some food (I am newbie and not sure if have any action there so dare not ask something special). Unfortunately, The girls there didn't sit with me or advise me any something special. But they sit and talked with a group of 2-3 Thai guys (Maybe the Thai local returning customers).

I would like to know if this kind of place have something special?

I will visit Chiang Mai and explore it again next month.

[QUOTE=Zjfgdb;2193812]I have visited some small town of Chiang Mai without tourism before. I went to the Local Karaoke there and the girl asked 2500-3000 be for LT. Is it Reasonable price in small local town in Chiang Mai? I heard about the real price was 2000 LT.

As a newbie could you give me some tips about finding the action in Thailand? Last time I was in Chiang Rai I went into a Shackhouse Karaoke with LED light outside the door and I just ordered some food (I am newbie and not sure if have any action there so dare not ask something special). Unfortunately, The girls there didn't sit with me or advise me any something special. But they sit and talked with a group of 2-3 Thai guys (Maybe the Thai local returning customers).

I would like to know if this kind of place have something special?

I will visit Chiang Mai and explore it again next month.[/QUOTE]There is plenty of action in Pattaya, and in Bangkok loads of women advertising themselves on craigslist. There is a thriving sex industry in Chiang Mai but mostly reserved for Thais, Farangs rarely can get in for a piece of the action. For westerners CM is simply not a mongers destination, not any more, anyway. All that's available has been well covered in this thread.

Just arrived for my first night in Chiang Mai and I wanted to go to Celeb massage parlor. Google Maps is indicating that Celeb Massage is permanently closed. Is this true or do I have the name wrong?

[QUOTE=Allover;2202029]Just arrived for my first night in Chiang Mai and I wanted to go to Celeb massage parlor. Google Maps is indicating that Celeb Massage is permanently closed. Is this true or do I have the name wrong?[/QUOTE]Guess I'll answer my own question. I walked by Celeb tonight (Wednesday) at about 10:45 pm and it is still open. I went inside to find 11 very disinterested girls sitting behind the glass. I realize this is not a great time to visit. None of them smiled or looked at me. Only one of the girls was potentially doable but l wasn't interested. I'm going to Bangkok tomorrow and I know I can do better there.

Google maps still shows them as permanently closed.

Hi all,

Going to be in Chiang Mai soon. Can anyone tell me anything about the bar Cando? It's supposed to be run by former bar girls. I'm curious how the experience is there compared to other bars. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bretword;2214117]Hi all,

Going to be in Chiang Mai soon. Can anyone tell me anything about the bar Cando? It's supposed to be run by former bar girls. I'm curious how the experience is there compared to other bars. Thanks![/QUOTE]Here is my report from 2012. Whether or not this has improved since then, have no idea, but somehow doubt it:

Some of you may have heard of the Can Do Bar, in Chiang Mai Land?

It was opened in 2006 as a: self-proclaimed "experimental. Dream bar" run by Empower Foundation. It's website says; the bar is owned and operated by sex workers. A vibrant energy packed the pub as girls performed skits, music blasted and girls danced a go-go with the poles, while friends brought bouquets of condoms welcoming the Can Do to its new home in Chiang Mai Land. I thought prostitution was illegal in Thailand? Apparently not, because there is a new bar strictly dedicated to it right here in Chiang Mai. The "Can Do" Bar's grand opening on Friday. 16 September 2006 stood as not only a new Chiang Mai night spot, but as a stronghold for sex workers throughout Thailand.

So yesterday (2012) for the first time I decided to seek out the Can Do bar and give it a try. Arrived there after getting lost a couple of times at around 8. 00 pm.

It's a small nondescript place, one blink of the eye and you've passed it. Outside, there are two sets of round tables with chairs. One table was empty and on the other sat 2 middle aged Australian women with one of the bar girls and I plonked myself down on the second table. The Thai manageress came out and was very jolly and welcoming. She welcomed me as a first timer and then I ordered a beer. Then an attractive young girl about 19 years old joined me at my table. I've struck gold here I thought.

Went to look inside the premises. It has a small long bar, a few tables and chairs and a pool table. There was no music playing, no poles that I could see and no other customers as the manageress told me that the 2 Australian women are the bar owners. They were having a good time, appeared slightly drunk. Then I offered to buy the girl at my table a drink and then the manageress asked if I could buy her a drink also and I agreed. The manageress spoke perfect English but the girl at my table hardly spoke a word of anything but she was quite friendly and pleasant in her own sort of way, just a bit shy probably.

After about 30 minutes of some drinking and a bit of jollying around, I asked the manageress if I could take any of the 2 girls she had there out? The manageress replied; sorry no, these girls don't go outside as they're new, but I can make a phone call to a friend who you can take out. OK I said, and then asked for some details. How much? Don't know. How old? In her early 40's and she can be here in half an hour. I thought about it and told the manageress; I will think it over and maybe for another evening. Then I said my goodbyes and left.

Later I thought, if the Can Do Bar is suppose to be a bar dedicated to the sex workers, but the sex part is a non event, than the name of Can Do should be changed to Can't Do and rather defeats the reasons for going there. It appears all they serve is drinks and chat and although there is no food served at the Can Do, the drinks were not over priced. A large LEO beer. 80 baht and lady drinks. 60 baht, plus everyone there was friendly and I never felt pressured.

Maybe I went on the wrong night at the wrong time and really should have asked the manageress some more questions, but for some reasons I didn't. Perhaps I just wasn't very impressed?

I did get the Can Do phone number and next time will phone first to inquire if there are any available girls. Maybe will get lucky?

It would be great if any of you could also check out the Can Do Bar to see if you obtain any better results and then report on here?

UPDATE. I haven't bothered to visit since. But I have driven past and it still seems to be there.

Directions: Travelling out of the town down the Chang klan Road, turn right into Chiang Mai Land. On the centre part of the road you will see a big yellow elephant. The Can Do Bar is on the opposite part of the road as part of a row of shops behind the elephant. That was 2012, don't know if the yellow elephant is still there or not.

Any girl recommandation in spotlight new location?

Also, would anyone here have an idea on how it works in this bar with barfine and lady drink? I mean if I pay a barfine, would the girl get part of the money or nothing? If I pay a ladydrink, would the girl get some money on it?

Sorry for the newbie question, but I know it is not everywhere the same in thailand.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2214714]Here is my report from 2012. Whether or not this has improved since then, have no idea, but somehow doubt it:

Some of you may have heard of the Can Do Bar, in Chiang Mai Land?

It was opened in 2006 as a: self-proclaimed "experimental. Dream bar" run by Empower Foundation. It's website says; the bar is owned and operated by sex workers. A vibrant energy packed the pub as girls performed skits, music blasted and girls danced a go-go with the poles, while friends brought bouquets of condoms welcoming the Can Do to its new home in Chiang Mai Land. I thought prostitution was illegal in Thailand? Apparently not, because there is a new bar strictly dedicated to it right here in Chiang Mai. The "Can Do" Bar's grand opening on Friday. 16 September 2006 stood as not only a new Chiang Mai night spot, but as a stronghold for sex workers throughout Thailand.

So yesterday (2012) for the first time I decided to seek out the Can Do bar and give it a try. Arrived there after getting lost a couple of times at around 8. 00 pm.

It's a small nondescript place, one blink of the eye and you've passed it. Outside, there are two sets of round tables with chairs. One table was empty and on the other sat 2 middle aged Australian women with one of the bar girls and I plonked myself down on the second table. The Thai manageress came out and was very jolly and welcoming. She welcomed me as a first timer and then I ordered a beer. Then an attractive young girl about 19 years old joined me at my table. I've struck gold here I thought.

Went to look inside the premises. It has a small long bar, a few tables and chairs and a pool table. There was no music playing, no poles that I could see and no other customers as the manageress told me that the 2 Australian women are the bar owners. They were having a good time, appeared slightly drunk. Then I offered to buy the girl at my table a drink and then the manageress asked if I could buy her a drink also and I agreed. The manageress spoke perfect English but the girl at my table hardly spoke a word of anything but she was quite friendly and pleasant in her own sort of way, just a bit shy probably.

After about 30 minutes of some drinking and a bit of jollying around, I asked the manageress if I could take any of the 2 girls she had there out? The manageress replied; sorry no, these girls don't go outside as they're new, but I can make a phone call to a friend who you can take out. OK I said, and then asked for some details. How much? Don't know. How old? In her early 40's and she can be here in half an hour. I thought about it and told the manageress; I will think it over and maybe for another evening. Then I said my goodbyes and left.

Later I thought, if the Can Do Bar is suppose to be a bar dedicated to the sex workers, but the sex part is a non event, than the name of Can Do should be changed to Can't Do and rather defeats the reasons for going there. It appears all they serve is drinks and chat and although there is no food served at the Can Do, the drinks were not over priced. A large LEO beer. 80 baht and lady drinks. 60 baht, plus everyone there was friendly and I never felt pressured.

Maybe I went on the wrong night at the wrong time and really should have asked the manageress some more questions, but for some reasons I didn't. Perhaps I just wasn't very impressed?

I did get the Can Do phone number and next time will phone first to inquire if there are any available girls. Maybe will get lucky?

It would be great if any of you could also check out the Can Do Bar to see if you obtain any better results and then report on here?

UPDATE. I haven't bothered to visit since. But I have driven past and it still seems to be there.

Directions: Travelling out of the town down the Chang klan Road, turn right into Chiang Mai Land. On the centre part of the road you will see a big yellow elephant. The Can Do Bar is on the opposite part of the road as part of a row of shops behind the elephant. That was 2012, don't know if the yellow elephant is still there or not.[/QUOTE]

2 years ago I sent a pm to the Can't do bar on facebook asking; do the girls go out with customers? Did not receive a reply.

Last week sent another message, the same. No response. Go figure.

I`m guessing that this place is solely a hostess bar, where customers buy drinks and the girls just sit with them. Very much doubt any of the girls are takeaways. Unless anyone knows different?

[QUOTE=RominRomeo;2153697]Very much so.

I had visited Pattaya few moths ago and banged a few hotties off TF. I even bought a premiummembership for this purpose for one month.

You need to hunt a bit though. My experience is about 10-20% will respond. Be polite, they know what you are up to mostly. Pm me if you want more details. I practically crawled WS!

Cheers and have a blast.[/QUOTE]Poster asked about TF in Chiang Mai, You replied with your experience using TF in Pattaya.

Tonight I decided to do some research on 2 of the most popular free Thai dating sites, Thai Friendly and Thai Flirting.

I have been a member of those sites for sometime.

On both sites I searched women in Pattaya of all ages. The majority of women in the Pattaya sections of all shapes, sizes and ages, were actively up for sexual encounters and what's more, they made it clear in their profiles of their intentions. Quoting themselves as freelancers, sideliners or straight to the point, and most give their Line I. DS and other ways to communicate with them. No BS, no having to play guessing games or ask for their contact details. Similar in the Bangkok sections, not as many as in the Pattaya sections, but still a lot to choose from.

Then I went back into the Chiang Mai sections. This truly is the opposite end of the extreme. Many women in the Chiang Mai sections have been on there for several years, I know this, first by seeing many familiar faces and some of the profiles that have comments, the comments are dated and really old. Most come across as being pure enough to be nuns in their profiles, with virtually no details about them or what they are seeking.

So what the hell is up with the Chiang Mai women on these sites? Are these women affected by some kind of puritan virus? I realise some may have struck lucky with Chiang Mai girls on those sites, as I have a couple of times, but overall it's pretty grim unless for guys seeking genuine relationships.

When in forums and blogs they describe Thai Friendly as the best site to meet hot sexy girls, which it probably is, but I'm sure they are not referring to the Chiang Mai sections. I am at a loss to understand it?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2224989]Tonight I decided to do some research on 2 of the most popular free Thai dating sites, Thai Friendly and Thai Flirting.

I have been a member of those sites for sometime.

On both sites I searched women in Pattaya of all ages. The majority of women in the Pattaya sections of all shapes, sizes and ages, were actively up for sexual encounters and what's more, they made it clear in their profiles of their intentions. Quoting themselves as freelancers, sideliners or straight to the point, and most give their Line I. DS and other ways to communicate with them. No BS, no having to play guessing games or ask for their conWhen in forums and blogs they describe Thai Friendly as the best site to meet hot sexy girls, which it probably is, but I'm sure they are not referring to the Chiang Mai sections. I am at a loss to understand it?[/QUOTE]I have met girls in Chiang mai, some are freelancers and other are serious about meeting a decent guy for a long term relationship. Pattaya has a reputation and you would expect many of the girls there use TF for pocket money or to top up their main job, whatever that is. The Chiang mai girls were the same as korat and udon thani, it is a real mix. This girl fell into my lap and wanted nothing except to go for a drive and have dinner. That's the fun, you can never tell what you will get. P.S. , I am not a young guy either.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2225272]I have met girls in Chiang mai, some are freelancers and other are serious about meeting a decent guy for a long term relationship. Pattaya has a reputation and you would expect many of the girls there use TF for pocket money or to top up their main job, whatever that is. The Chiang mai girls were the same as korat and udon thani, it is a real mix. This girl fell into my lap and wanted nothing except to go for a drive and have dinner. That's the fun, you can never tell what you will get. P.S. , I am not a young guy either.[/QUOTE]HAHA I met her too!

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2224989]So what the hell is up with the Chiang Mai women on these sites? Are these women affected by some kind of puritan virus? I realise some may have struck lucky with Chiang Mai girls on those sites, as I have a couple of times, but overall it's pretty grim unless for guys seeking genuine relationships.[/QUOTE]Thai women in general aren't as interested in Farang as some would like to think. Outside of those who make their living from Farang money most Thais just aren't interested. Even when they are they face huge social pressures from parents, family, friends and even strangers. That's really true outside of places like Pattaya and Bangkok.

That said, if you speak Thai it's not hard to pick up in Chiang Mai at all. I've heard if you don't speak it that it's really tough though. A friend of mine was there for months before he finally got a girlfriend. When I met her I instantly realized she was an Isan transplant living in Chiang Mai!

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2225272]I have met girls in Chiang mai, some are freelancers and other are serious about meeting a decent guy for a long term relationship. Pattaya has a reputation and you would expect many of the girls there use TF for pocket money or to top up their main job, whatever that is. The Chiang mai girls were the same as korat and udon thani, it is a real mix. This girl fell into my lap and wanted nothing except to go for a drive and have dinner. That's the fun, you can never tell what you will get. P.S. , I am not a young guy either.[/QUOTE]Tell you what. If you know where it's possible to get girls like the one you have in the picture in Chiang Mai, lets meet up and the whole evening is on me. Food, drinks, the girls, a couple of hotel rooms and everything.

Now there's an offer you can't refuse.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2225272]I have met girls in Chiang mai, some are freelancers and other are serious about meeting a decent guy for a long term relationship. Pattaya has a reputation and you would expect many of the girls there use TF for pocket money or to top up their main job, whatever that is. The Chiang mai girls were the same as korat and udon thani, it is a real mix. This girl fell into my lap and wanted nothing except to go for a drive and have dinner. That's the fun, you can never tell what you will get. P.S, I am not a young guy either.[/QUOTE]That's nice. I don't have much luck with TF so far. Just an average looking guy of East Asian descent.

Hello Senior Mongers.

I would be visiting Chiang Mai for 3 days in 2nd week of Oct, would be residing in Art Mai Gallery Nimman Hotel. This is my first time to Thailand. Any info on hitching couple of contacts, addresses or brothels like the one we have in Singapore / Geylang would be good.

Thanks.

YoJohnny.

[QUOTE=YoJohnny;2229525]Hello Senior Mongers.

I would be visiting Chiang Mai for 3 days in 2nd week of Oct, would be residing in Art Mai Gallery Nimman Hotel. This is my first time to Thailand. Any info on hitching couple of contacts, addresses or brothels like the one we have in Singapore / Geylang would be good.

Thanks.

YoJohnny.[/QUOTE]I suggest you read all of the posts on this thread, most of this has been covered.

No Farang friendly brothels and Chiang Mai is now off the mongers radar.

In Google, type in Chiang Mai Locator, you will find all the information on there under the male entertainment section.

[QUOTE=YoJohnny;2229525]Hello Senior Mongers.

I would be visiting Chiang Mai for 3 days in 2nd week of Oct, would be residing in Art Mai Gallery Nimman Hotel. This is my first time to Thailand. Any info on hitching couple of contacts, addresses or brothels like the one we have in Singapore / Geylang would be good.

Thanks.

YoJohnny.[/QUOTE]A FYI about a total scam bar in Chiang mai. Its called Together Karaoke or something, you can probably google for more info about this place! It was my first night in Chiang Mai ever, back in Feb 2018. After dinner and some bar hopping (nothing like BKK or Pattaya in terms of P4P scene or even otherwise), a tuk tuk guy took me to this place at around 2 am or something. In a couple of hours they racked up some several thousand baht, I was buying beer for a couple of ladies with me who seemed fun and innocent enough, but my guess is that it is the management who are a bunch of scum. Usually I may pay up and walk off, just take the losses, but this was gross overcharging. They tried to tell me that in addition to the drinks I also had to pay for the girls time with me. Pure BS since that was never communicated. I told them either you call the police or I am going to call them and gave some BS about knowing big shots in the area. They finally agreed to knock off about 30% off the bill, which I then paid and left.

The next day I went to spotlight at around 9 pm or so. It was pretty much a dead scene for an hour or so, then a reasonable looking chick maybe late 20's or older came and sat at the bar. So I bought her a drink and started chatting with her, apparently her regular was visiting from somewhere and was supposed to arrive any moment. However she introduced me to another much younger 8+ chick from Myanmar, recently arrived as I was told. I ended up bar fining her and also spent my remaining next two evening / nights with her, she would come directly to meet my at the hotel and then we would go dining whatever. She asked for LT 2700 but I would give her 3 K as I liked her attitude. We even went to a popular disco and it was crowded, although I could hardly spot any WGs there FWIW, just the local young crowd it seemed.

Thanks Arthur. I would give that a try and RTFF.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2229566]I suggest you read all of the posts on this thread, most of this has been covered.

No Farang friendly brothels and Chiang Mai is now off the mongers radar.

In Google, type in Chiang Mai Locator, you will find all the information on there under the male entertainment section.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the alert bro, I will look out for it. I got the info needed and have zeroed in on Celeb. , dolphin spa, from the earlier forum messages I understand the rate is around 1400 THB to 1800 THB to pick someone from the fish bowl. Any other SPA with have good picks (read fish bowl) and goods upstairs. I am a boob man. The larger they are the horny I get.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2229881]A FYI about a total scam bar in Chiang mai. Its called Together Karaoke or something, you can probably google for more info about this place! It was my first night in Chiang Mai ever, back in Feb 2018. After dinner and some bar hopping (nothing like BKK or Pattaya in terms of P4P scene or even otherwise), a tuk tuk guy took me to this place at around 2 am or something. In a couple of hours they racked up some several thousand baht, I was buying beer for a couple of ladies with me who seemed fun and innocent enough, but my guess is that it is the management who are a bunch of scum. Usually I may pay up and walk off, just take the losses, but this was gross overcharging. They tried to tell me that in addition to the drinks I also had to pay for the girls time with me. Pure BS since that was never communicated. I told them either you call the police or I am going to call them and gave some BS about knowing big shots in the area. They finally agreed to knock off about 30% off the bill, which I then paid and left.

The next day I went to spotlight at around 9 pm or so. It was pretty much a dead scene for an hour or so, then a reasonable looking chick maybe late 20's or older came and sat at the bar. So I bought her a drink and started chatting with her, apparently her regular was visiting from somewhere and was supposed to arrive any moment. However she introduced me to another much younger 8+ chick from Myanmar, recently arrived as I was told. I ended up bar fining her and also spent my remaining next two evening / nights with her, she would come directly to meet my at the hotel and then we would go dining whatever. She asked for LT 2700 but I would give her 3 K as I liked her attitude. We even went to a popular disco and it was crowded, although I could hardly spot any WGs there FWIW, just the local young crowd it seemed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YoJohnny;2229525]Hello Senior Mongers.

I would be visiting Chiang Mai for 3 days in 2nd week of Oct, would be residing in Art Mai Gallery Nimman Hotel. This is my first time to Thailand. Any info on hitching couple of contacts, addresses or brothels like the one we have in Singapore / Geylang would be good.

Thanks.

YoJohnny.[/QUOTE]I was just there in early August for 5 days. I have never run into any of the mentioned brothels in Chiang Mai, and from what I've read, I'm glad that I didn't give any of them a go. Seems like an ultra seedy experience. There are a handful (3) soapies, and I would give those a try. Sayuri is pretty inexpensive 1500-2500 baht and worth a go. You could have some lookers in there, or nothing much. It just depends on your timing. It's harder, and more expensive to get taxi's in Chiang Mai verses Bangkok. I wold download the Grab app if you want to take taxi's in Chiang Mai. If you are confidant on a motorbike, and have an international bike license; then I would suggest renting a motorbike to get around as it's quick and easy to park anywhere.

You are also in Nimman, which is a nice area for food and cafe's. But you are probably 10 min. From the center of most of the action in CM. Your other options are beer bars in the Loi Kroh Road. Area, and the the boxing complex beer bars on the same road. I hang out in beer bars because it's entertaining for me, but it usually takes some work to find a girl I would bar fine. There are some bars where you could pick up Freelancers, but I'll let you look those up yourself.

I've had most of my success finding girls on Thai Friendly. Last time I visited I started messaging a girl on TF while I was in the airport at Bangkok waiting to board my flight for Chiang Mai. I was meeting her for dinner and drinks that same night. She was staying in my room that night. I spent most of my week with her, even though I stopped by Sayuri, beer bars, and a massage parlour in my freetime. But I fucked the TF girl for free everyday. She was a pretty heavy squirter with huge tits for such a short girl. So I tried to get as much time in with her as possible. She didn't ask for any money, I just paid for food and drinks while we were together. She had a good job as a teaching assistant in an international school, but I had the feeling that she wouldn't mind a sponsor either.

If anyone is interested in Massage place that I picked up extras in, then I can provide the location even though it's a bit tricky. They had mid 20's girls that were actually pretty attractive. The shop was in pretty decent shape also, but there were no private rooms as far as I could tell. The showers were available and clean with pretty hot water. The girl I chose was chatty and had a fun personality. She seemed interested in going to Tawandaeng later, but I had other things to tend to.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2231307]. Seems like an ultra seedy experience. There are a handful (3) soapies, and I would give those a try. Sayuri is pretty inexpensive 1500-2500 baht and worth a go. .[/QUOTE]The seedier the better for some guys. LOL I think good advice to try the Soapies. That is what I did in my early Thailand days.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2229881]A FYI about a total scam bar in Chiang mai. Its called Together Karaoke or something, you can probably google for more info about this place! It was my first night in Chiang Mai ever, back in Feb 2018. After dinner and some bar hopping (nothing like BKK or Pattaya in terms of P4P scene or even otherwise), a tuk tuk guy took me to this place at around 2 am or something. In a couple of hours they racked up some several thousand baht.[/QUOTE]The lesson is don't let Thai guys suggest a place for you and take you there. They get kick back commissions. Maybe only 1 in a 100 would be a totally honest suggestion.

RTFF is a better idea. Do your research.

In old days, if taking a taxi to a Soapy, I would tell the driver I am going to something else nearby. I did not want a price rise just because I arrived in a taxi and the driver would want commission. Arrive on motorcycle was usually safer.

Above all don't allow your driver to tell you your desired target place is closed and he has a better suggestion. Usually will be bullshit and taken to a place much worse. I found that even Thais tended to believe this scam when going to a restaurant.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2179358]How old was the woman, did she strip off, could you touch her and how long and how much for this glorified HJ?[/QUOTE]I tried this, I showed up in the evening and a couple of university-age girls were available.

I picked a tall slim girl with a bit of baby fat.

As for the actual massage, it was just a soft leg / back massage and then flip over for the HJ. No dog pose unfortunately?

She didn't allow much touching & she wanted an extra 500 baht to take off her clothes but I didn't bother.

899 baht, 1 hour was the base rate for this particular massage.

Personally, I generally think HJs are a waste of money but every now and then I give it a try.

FWIW, Vietnam still miles ahead in the HJ department, they combine it with really good nipple sucking and have the timing for it down. It actually tricks the brain into combining the two sensations of getting a tug job & the sucking action on the nipple, which gives you the combined sensation of a blowjob.

[QUOTE=Cwomd;2232317]I tried this, I showed up in the evening and a couple of university-age girls were available.

I picked a tall slim girl with a bit of baby fat.

As for the actual massage, it was just a soft leg / back massage and then flip over for the HJ. No dog pose unfortunately?

She didn't allow much touching & she wanted an extra 500 baht to take off her clothes but I didn't bother.

899 baht, 1 hour was the base rate for this particular massage.

Personally, I generally think HJs are a waste of money but every now and then I give it a try.

FWIW, Vietnam still miles ahead in the HJ department, they combine it with really good nipple sucking and have the timing for it down. It actually tricks the brain into combining the two sensations of getting a tug job & the sucking action on the nipple, which gives you the combined sensation of a blowjob.[/QUOTE]The last HJ I was offered the woman asked for 500 baht after haggling her down from 1000 baht and even through she was quite young and attractive, it was so mechanical and mundane that I couldn't finish, just paid the 500 baht extra and 350 baht massage fee then left. That was a year ago and not been for one since.

All those other so-called B2B massage parlours are just HJs with fancy packaging. These days it takes more stimulation than just laying back and thinking of England to make it an enjoyable experience and as you say; a waste of money.

Visited Vietnam last February and couldn't believe how much more that has to offer than Chiang Mai. Girls were approaching me on their motorbikes in the street offering themselves and I took several back to my hotel room during my stay, FS on average 1000 baht for the whole night. Next year going to try out Cambodia, heard it's a monger paradise there.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2232423]. Next year going to try out Cambodia, heard it's a monger paradise there.[/QUOTE]Yes, Arthur, and PI is even better IMO although slightly higher costs. I have been to Chiang Mai (for Loy Krathong) a few years ago and was disappointed in the action there, too. I got laid but it was too much work to find and the girls were unenthusiastic to say the least. Sure did enjoy the festival and the roof top bar, tho. Quite spectacular. Cheers.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2232423]Visited Vietnam last February and couldn't believe how much more that has to offer than Chiang Mai. Girls were approaching me on their motorbikes in the street offering themselves and I took several back to my hotel room during my stay, FS on average 1000 baht for the whole night. Next year going to try out Cambodia, heard it's a monger paradise there.[/QUOTE]Have you written up more details in the Vietnam section. I was in Hanoi (with wife, not married now. Thankfully) and I have a keen eye and saw none of this. Might be worth a diversion for variety's sake.

Thanks Zeus9 for your insight. I have zeroed in on Celeb, Dolphin for now and may be few on Loi Kroi Road. No time for picking a girl in bar & barfine. Also just for my info, is Art Mai Nimman hotel guest friendly, can I bring over a girl to the room without any eyebrows raised.

I would surely look into getting a motorbike as I do have a license and if taking a taxi or tuk tuk will go to nearby places rather than going to the correct address.

Thanks.

YoJohnny.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2231307]I was just there in early August for 5 days. I have never run into any of the mentioned brothels in Chiang Mai, and from what I've read, I'm glad that I didn't give any of them a go. Seems like an ultra seedy experience. There are a handful (3) soapies, and I would give those a try. Sayuri is pretty inexpensive 1500-2500 baht and worth a go. You could have some lookers in there, or nothing much. It just depends on your timing. It's harder, and more expensive to get taxi's in Chiang Mai verses Bangkok. I wold download the Grab app if you want to take taxi's in Chiang Mai. If you are confidant on a motorbike, and have an international bike license; then I would suggest renting a motorbike to get around as it's quick and easy to park anywhere.

You are also in Nimman, which is a nice area for food and cafe's. But you are probably 10 min. From the center of most of the action in CM. Your other options are beer bars in the Loi Kroh Road. Area, and the the boxing complex beer bars on the same road. I hang out in beer bars because it's entertaining for me, but it usually takes some work to find a girl I would bar fine. There are some bars where you could pick up Freelancers, but I'll let you look those up yourself.

I've had most of my success finding girls on Thai Friendly. Last time I visited I started messaging a girl on TF while I was in the airport at Bangkok waiting to board my flight for Chiang Mai. I was meeting her for dinner and drinks that same night. She was staying in my room that night. I spent most of my week with her, even though I stopped by Sayuri, beer bars, and a massage parlour in my freetime. But I fucked the TF girl for free everyday. She was a pretty heavy squirter with huge tits for such a short girl. So I tried to get as much time in with her as possible. She didn't ask for any money, I just paid for food and drinks while we were together. She had a good job as a teaching assistant in an international school, but I had the feeling that she wouldn't mind a sponsor either.

If anyone is interested in Massage place that I picked up extras in, then I can provide the location even though it's a bit tricky. They had mid 20's girls that were actually pretty attractive. The shop was in pretty decent shape also, but there were no private rooms as far as I could tell. The showers were available and clean with pretty hot water. The girl I chose was chatty and had a fun personality. She seemed interested in going to Tawandaeng later, but I had other things to tend to.[/QUOTE]

Well I would vouch for Vietnamise girls. They are very pretty and the service provided by them in SG brothers were no match. I had few regulars and nothing like getting a BBJ with CIM. Followed by good massage and another sex session. Fucking in the air was the best part as they are so light, you can surely lift them up to your liking and fuck all night, get turned on very fast and groping with clothes on is a really fun at another level rather than just go in there and strip naked.

Cheers.

YoJohnny.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2233081]Have you written up more details in the Vietnam section. I was in Hanoi (with wife, not married now. Thankfully) and I have a keen eye and saw none of this. Might be worth a diversion for variety's sake.[/QUOTE]

Hello:

While I have been to Thailand several times, I have not visited Chiang Mai but will be doing so in about a month. I typically like to play the freelancers scene. I was wondering where the freelancers hang out in Chiang Mai? I have heard near Tha Phae Gate, is this true? Also, how much does the average freelancer go for for a short time in Chiang Mai? Thanks for helping a fellow punter out.

Regards,

JB.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2234717]Hello:

While I have been to Thailand several times, I have not visited Chiang Mai but will be doing so in about a month. I typically like to play the freelancers scene. I was wondering where the freelancers hang out in Chiang Mai? I have heard near Tha Phae Gate, is this true? Also, how much does the average freelancer go for for a short time in Chiang Mai? Thanks for helping a fellow punter out.

Regards,

JB.[/QUOTE]Around the Thapae Gate area is where the street girls used to hang out, usually during the late hours, after 10.00 pm. It was possible to walk out your hotel room, go to that area and have a street girl in your bed within literally minutes, from about 300 to 400 baht short time. A few of my mates used to hire 3 girls at one time. For 2000 baht it was possible to have an orgy involving 6 girls.

But over time these girls have been cleared away by the police and now replaced by freaky ladyboys that hide in the shadows and pounce on males as they walk by.

Some of those girls were under aged and 3 years ago the police conducted a sting operation in that area. Police disguised as tuk tuk drivers or in plain clothes would wait for for any unsuspecting Farang to try and pull one of the girls, then they pounced, Farang taken to jail. Many of the under aged girls did look older.

Unfortunately you won't find any online either no matter how hard you look.

So from the report I just read then, there are no freelancers to be found in Chiang Mai? No place to go where they might generally hang out?

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2234717]Hello:

While I have been to Thailand several times, I have not visited Chiang Mai but will be doing so in about a month. I typically like to play the freelancers scene. I was wondering where the freelancers hang out in Chiang Mai? I have heard near Tha Phae Gate, is this true? Also, how much does the average freelancer go for for a short time in Chiang Mai? Thanks for helping a fellow punter out.

Regards,

JB.[/QUOTE]If you would go to Chiang Mai, surely you would not be going there for sex mongering purposes. Could be better to take a hot girl there with you (my normal practice). Does not mean there is nothing, just every limited, and maybe like Arthur says, too much effort for low reward. I have visited Chiang Mai several times over many years, and tried very few girls there, some in the Soapies.

There are certainly posts giving you some details further down this thread. Why not use that info?

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2236167]So from the report I just read then, there are no freelancers to be found in Chiang Mai? No place to go where they might generally hang out?[/QUOTE]Basically that's about it. Some years ago there were a couple of discos that were renowned for picking up freelancers, but I've heard even those have faded away, unless of course anyone has information to the contrary, but I doubt it.

It may be worth trying the Tapae Gate area late at night, you might be lucky and stumble across the odd real female freelancer, being careful that any girl you pull may not be as she seems and have some dangly bits between it's legs. Also as I said previous; be aware of police jailbait stings down there with under aged girls.

Another point that if some of the skank from the Loi Kroh Road bars have had a slow night, once the bars close after midnight the odd ones do approach guys in the streets around that area, but very hit and miss.

Not sure about Spicy or even if that's still open. Does anyone have any up to date information on that? What about Zoe in Yellow, is that still good for picking up freelancers? Heard that's also become a dead loss.

The Raspberry Spa is another one of those glorified HJ so-called B2B massage parlours, only with this one I've received reports that full sex is on offer.

It is located in, Tha Noot Pong Soi 2, which is a soi off the Superhighway opposite Bangkok Hospital.

I've been told that the standard package, so-called massage and HJ for about an hour maybe 70 minutes if lucky will cost from 1500 baht up to 2500 baht according to how they determine the attractiveness of the girls.

Full sex is on offer and a girl will be chosen for the task if having a discrete word with the receptionist requesting the full sex package. They don't openly advertise that FS is available and won't mention this unless you ask, probably concerned about the police getting wind of it and being shut down for running a brothel.

It will cost you the standard rate as I've mentioned above, plus around 3000 baht for the sex. So in total it could whack you back over 5000 baht for that package. I have not visited the Raspberry Spa and have no idea whether the sex will be inhibited or mechanical. My guess is that it will be. If you are young hansum man or willing to splash even more cash the girls may give that little bit extra.

If more of these glorified happy ending parlours do have discrete FS on offer, and I guess many of them do, then this will give a rough guide to how much cash it`s going to set you back.

Welcome to Chiang Mai, where supply and demand sets the price.

Its true Chiangmai is not Bangkok but it's not true you can't have a good time there and I am no newbie from Muskogee, living in Bangkok for the past 20 years. I was recently there for 3 nights 4 days and had a whale of a time. It's all down to expectations and the unexpected. Met a cute 22 year early on who wanted to stay with me, a well preserved MILF who wanted to live with me forever and an experience at a place called Aloha in the middle of nowhere that left me very happy. All were all in massage shops and frustratingly no I didn't keep names or actual locations. I would just say if you go there chill, wander around with an open mind and good things can happen.

Spent a few days in CM recently and checked on 2 places mentioned in the site below.

[URL]http://www.livingthai.org/massage-pa...hiang-mai.html[/URL]

Roong Fah Karaoke (Kampangdin Rd opp. O2 Gym) 1500 be for ST, 5000 be for LT, take out only. They have a car to take you and the girl to a nearby ST hotel or to your own hotel if it's nearby, the charge is only 50 be. I was staying at the Maninarakorn Hotel and they let me take the girl there. One manager speak a little English, the other none at all. There's no WiFi here so make sure you've downloaded Thai in Google Translate. The first time I walked in about 8 pm there were at least 2 stunners (8. 5/10) having their dinner. I stupidly thought more would arrive later but when I went back at 9:30 pm, there were only 2 average ones left (7.0 to 7.5/10). Beer and other drinks available, prices are the same as the beer bars. Forgot to ask what time they close. This will be my new fav hangout if I can walk in at 6 am and take one for a morning bonk: the.

Glass window brothel I think this place is closed, it's now an internet caf. Unless it's just a front!

Loi Kroh beer bars near the boxing ring 2500 be for LT, barfine 500 be (I think).

Saw many hotties (8.0 to 8.5/10) at Poppy Bar, Flash Bar and My Tirak 2 Bar (next to Starxix gogo). But I think most of these girls are only there to get drinks from the customers and aren't interested in ST or LT. I will normally check if the girl is interested in LT before I buy a second lady drink, all 6 girls I asked said they couldn't go for ST or LT for various reasons. I suppose it's possible they prefer handsome man, which I'm not! : the I eventually pulled a raunchy one with a challenging stare (6. 5 to 7.0/10) from Lollipop who turned out to be very enthusiastic. The girls I talked to at Flash Bar spoke good Chinese but couldn't speak much English, said they came from Pai? The girls at Poppy Bar and My Tirak 2 spoke English, but one could only speak Mandarin. So my guess is that these hotties are just there to extract drinks from the mainland Chinese tourists.

Beer bars opposite Mae Ping Hotel 2500 be for LT, barfine 300 be.

Girls are mostly 6. 0 /10 or lower, the one I took out was one of three there who was about 6. 5 to 7. 0/10. Better atmosphere, girls are less pushy about lady drinks.

The Spotlight Gogo bar is in a new location. Just open for a few months with younger sexy dancers that dance not doing the Bangkok shuffle. 3500 short time with a 700 baht bar fine. You can google the location. I walked from there back to the night plaza area along Loi Kroh road. At about 10 pm Near Thapae Gate, I was approached by a passable freelancer. There are a least a dozen ladyboys hiding in the shadows along the road. The bars were hopping and doing a fairly good business with lots of girls.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2240567]The Spotlight Gogo bar is in a new location. Just open for a few months with younger sexy dancers that dance not doing the Bangkok shuffle. 3500 short time with a 700 baht bar fine. You can google the location. I walked from there back to the night plaza area along Loi Kroh road. At about 10 pm Near Thapae Gate, I was approached by a passable freelancer. There are a least a dozen ladyboys hiding in the shadows along the road. The bars were hopping and doing a fairly good business with lots of girls.[/QUOTE]WOW, that's 4200 baht short time, which is probably about an hour if lucky. Just prior to when Spotlight moved a friend was quoted 6000 baht for ST. Needless to say he passed on the offer.

Spotlight was at the old location for over 25 years, I personally knew the owners Hoss the German and Bob Crabtree who died several years ago. Bob was so rich that when he visited Bangkok he hired a helicopter to take him from the airport to his hotel that had a helicopter landing pad on it's roof.

Having now moved I guess business can't be so good, and with those prices it appears they have become pretty desperate.

This also sends the message that the girls are there mainly as hostesses to sell drinks and if customers want to buy a takeaway the girls are saying; we will go short time but couldn't care less one way or another, can't be bothered unless willing to pay us silly money for customers that are desperate or have more money than sense.

The problem is that these places are setting a precedent and once this starts others will soon follow suit and then the high prices become standard throughout the city wherever boom boom is on offer. They are taking advantage of the supply and demand situation in Chiang Mai, because these bars have virtually no competition. This is why I don't recommend Chiang Mai for mongering, it's very hard work, hit and miss and not good value for money.

Many of the young desirable girls are now working in the glorified HJ parlours and rip-off karaoke bars spread around the outskirts of the city. In those places it can set you back over 5000 baht for a quicky and in the karaoke bars the sky's the limit.

I don't believe most of the stories on here from certain posters telling us how they scored multiple times with stunning girls for practically nothing. Those who explain how hot these girls were but when it comes to giving us names and locations suddenly fall down with an acute case of amnesia. I also dare say that anyone who discovers a real gem in Chiang Mai, probably won't tell us and I don't blame them. But I have lived in CM for many many years and have lots of friends and contacts here. I consider myself as knowing every inch of the city and if there are gems hidden away somewhere, I can assure everyone I would soon find out about it and would give out the information.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2240677]WOW, that's 4200 baht short time, which is probably about an hour if lucky. Just prior to when Spotlight moved a friend was quoted 6000 baht for ST. Needless to say he passed on the offer.
[/QUOTE]This is more expensive than back in the land of OZ, and you can get very very good here for those prices.

Keep in mind that a teacher, accountant, mid level office girls make 12..15K baht a month, so these girls really have tickets on themselves asking this sort of money for ST

I meet girls on TF, and some don't even want money, they just want someone to take them out, make them feel special and they like us want a little it of jiggy jiggy too. I am not young or handsome. Treating the girls with respect and kindness pays back manyfold. Once a Thai girl reaches her late 20's she (and her family) considers herself a lost cause for marriage.

There is a good amount of contact available though other forums but you must be able to speak thai quite well (the web pages are in Thai) - I do not know them now, I saw them a year or so ago. As someone else said the University here is a very prestigious one and the students come from moneyed families.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2240963]This is more expensive than back in the land of OZ, and you can get very very good here for those prices.

Keep in mind that a teacher, accountant, mid level office girls make 12..15K baht a month, so these girls really have tickets on themselves asking this sort of money for ST

I meet girls on TF, and some don't even want money, they just want someone to take them out, make them feel special and they like us want a little it of jiggy jiggy too. I am not young or handsome. Treating the girls with respect and kindness pays back manyfold. Once a Thai girl reaches her late 20's she (and her family) considers herself a lost cause for marriage.

There is a good amount of contact available though other forums but you must be able to speak thai quite well (the web pages are in Thai) - I do not know them now, I saw them a year or so ago. As someone else said the University here is a very prestigious one and the students come from moneyed families.[/QUOTE]Right, it is also possible to find girls for that price in the UK and a lot cheaper advertised in the free advertising papers that are delivered free to homes every week. The back pages are loaded with them, young blonds, Indian and many choices.

I found the TF Chiang Mai section very limited for women that seem to be up for it, unlike the Bangkok and Pattaya sections where women openly advertise what they have on offer. But that's not really mongering is it? This is about chatting up women and trying to date them, so very hit and miss and a lot of work just in the hope of maybe getting a fuck, that applies anywhere not just in Chiang Mai.

Maybe some don't realize that 1000 baht is still a lot of money to a Thai. The minimum wage here is 300 baht per day, many Thais have to work long hours doing heavy work to earn that. I think these girls are taking the peeest and just looking for mugs. The sex industry in Chiang Mai has become greedy. They are not just squeezing the golden goose, but are in-fact killing it.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2241247]Right, it is also possible to find girls for that price in the UK

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But that's not really mongering is it? This is about chatting up women and trying to date them, so very hit and miss and a lot of work just in the hope of maybe getting a fuck, that applies anywhere not just in Chiang Mai.

[/QUOTE]Correct, it is not mongering, but I just won't pay the money they are asking. Yes, even on TF it is difficult to find girls, it takes persistence.

I have been around Thailand awhile and I see many postings about the GFE days of yore. That experience is still available but the price is up considerably. I met a lady from Mae Hong Song last week at the restaurant in the Duntawayn hotel. She was working with a golf tour. Reasonably pretty, 31 years old, small and sweet. Asked her out for dinner and things moved fast. Next night she was giving me the best sex of my life. She got up in the morning and organized the room. The next morning she took my clothes out of my suitcase, ironed and folded them nicely, before I was up. When, I went to shower, she made the bed. I gave her 10,000 baht after 4 days of this old style treatment. She was thrilled! Its still out there, boys, just be kind and generous.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2250849]I met a lady from Mae Hong Song last week at the restaurant in the Duntawayn hotel. [/QUOTE]That would be DuangTawan (The Sun). The spelling got a bit garbled there.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2250849]I have been around Thailand awhile and I see many postings about the GFE days of yore. That experience is still available but the price is up considerably. I met a lady from Mae Hong Song last week at the restaurant in the Duntawayn hotel. She was working with a golf tour. Reasonably pretty, 31 years old, small and sweet. Asked her out for dinner and things moved fast. Next night she was giving me the best sex of my life. She got up in the morning and organized the room. The next morning she took my clothes out of my suitcase, ironed and folded them nicely, before I was up. When, I went to shower, she made the bed. I gave her 10,000 baht after 4 days of this old style treatment. She was thrilled! Its still out there, boys, just be kind and generous.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report Buksida. I enjoyed reading it. Mae Hong Song: I like that town and the surrounding countryside. It brings up memories of a road trip I made 7 or 8 years ago. Not a huge fan of Chiang Mai however.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2250849]I have been around Thailand awhile and I see many postings about the GFE days of yore. That experience is still available but the price is up considerably. I met a lady from Mae Hong Song last week at the restaurant in the Duntawayn hotel. She was working with a golf tour. Reasonably pretty, 31 years old, small and sweet. Asked her out for dinner and things moved fast. Next night she was giving me the best sex of my life. She got up in the morning and organized the room. The next morning she took my clothes out of my suitcase, ironed and folded them nicely, before I was up. When, I went to shower, she made the bed. I gave her 10,000 baht after 4 days of this old style treatment. She was thrilled! Its still out there, boys, just be kind and generous.[/QUOTE]Its heart warming to read such reports of old world mongering pleasures. Thank you. Brought back some really warm memories of true GFE.

[URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/around_thailand/30358920[/URL]

Just read this news story about an Indonesian (woman arrested in Thailand yesterday for drugging foreign tourists, sadly, one of her victims died. I know there is more chance of being killed in a car crash, but just a reminder to be aware of the types of people that there are out there wanting to relieve you of your wallet!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2250928]That would be DuangTawan (The Sun). The spelling got a bit garbled there.[/QUOTE]Suddenly just noticed Mae Hong Son (g). It has no G in "Son" too. Pronounced closed to Mair Hawng Sawn. Mae normally means river in Thailand (e. G. Mae Khong is main river of East Thailand and other parts border) , short for Mae Naam, but the rest looks like comes from Chinese, so don't know the meaning.

I flew in to CM yesterday and checked into LE Meredian. Rented a moped (300 thb / day) in the store right next to the hotel. First stop this morning was grab some authentic northern Thai spicy food for breakfast. In addition to all the girl advice on here, I think everyone should skip the popular markets with English menus and eat at local joints.

Went to the Anime shop at 10. No lineup, the place as reported up thread is shady. But, so were places in Osaka. The room was clean and there was a little clock next to the mattress on the floor. In comes a cute (25 yr old) Hira. Natural see cups, fairly a large ass for a Thai girl. The massage was thorough and went on for almost 1 he. She asked if I want the special, no money talk. I said yes, asked her to get fully nude. She hesitated, I thought she was shy but did anyway. Small trim Bush, supple beasts. Let me roam freely and suck on the nipples. She continued with the HJ. I asked her to sit on my face but I thought she didn't understand. Allowed me to rub her pussy but I didn't FIV. She said she'll get off at 7 pm. I wonder if meeting outside is possible.

Total damage was 500 thb for the shop, 1000 tip to the girl. I think I will repeat.

Continuing the trip, I visited Celeb club. The place itself is huge, nice night club like atmosphere inside. I went at noon and there were only 3 girls. One of them was passable but I asked the papassan when more would show up. He said 5 pm. I decided to grab a drink, sit for a few minutes and left to come back. Went back at 7 pm and this time there were about 25-30 girls. The expensive side was 1900 thb and the other side was 1600 thb. The expensive side of the bowl had maybe 2-3 good looking girls. I picked one of them (Pim? Paid the fee, went upstairs.

The room is a dump. Compared to every other similar setting like this in Bangkok or other countries, this room setup is pretty mediocre. The windows face the main street in front. The girl makes sure the curtains are drawn close (they were). The usual, shower together, she scrubbed my groin area so much that my expectation for her BJ / work in that area were pretty high at this point. As soon as we got out of the tub, I dry up and get on the bed. 10 minutes or so, fake massage and on the flip, she grabs my dick and keeps hitting it on her tits. Not sure what the point of this is, but after a few seconds it started to hurt my member. I kept up with it. Out came the rubber, she sucked for exactly 30 seconds or less and proceeded to climb on me. At this point, I already lost interest in the girl, along with the room setup. I turned her doggie and tried to pump. One weird thing I noticed is that, she felt so loose, I have never felt a vagina like this before. I wasn't feeling anything. LOL. I had to make sure I am actually in. Anyway, after that I stopped trying. At this point, I think the girl got the signal that I wasn't satisfied, and proceeded to give a HJ, she did try for a good 10 minutes nonstop. I told her it's OK, tipped her 100 thb and left.

I have a mixed feeling about this place. The setup is good, I might have gotten a dud. The price is excellent. I might try it one more time before leaving town.

[QUOTE=PeterSanchez;2263800]I flew in to CM yesterday and checked into LE Meredian. Rented a moped (300 thb / day) in the store right next to the hotel. First stop this morning was grab some authentic northern Thai spicy food for breakfast. In addition to all the girl advice on here, I think everyone should skip the popular markets with English menus and eat at local joints.

Went to the Anime shop at 10. No lineup, the place as reported up thread is shady. But, so were places in Osaka. The room was clean and there was a little clock next to the mattress on the floor. In comes a cute (25 yr old) Hira. Natural see cups, fairly a large ass for a Thai girl. The massage was thorough and went on for almost 1 he. She asked if I want the special, no money talk. I said yes, asked her to get fully nude. She hesitated, I thought she was shy but did anyway. Small trim Bush, supple beasts. Let me roam freely and suck on the nipples. She continued with the HJ. I asked her to sit on my face but I thought she didn't understand. Allowed me to rub her pussy but I didn't FIV. She said she'll get off at 7 pm. I wonder if meeting outside is possible.

Total damage was 500 thb for the shop, 1000 tip to the girl. I think I will repeat.[/QUOTE]This is correct and how that place operates, nothing special.

Fee for whatever the service you ask for, plus 500 baht standard HJ and 1000 baht girl naked, inhibited touching and HJ.

I've heard some of the girls will do FS in there, 3000 up to 5000 baht for mechanical sex that all have to be completed within the time period frame of whatever massage the customer chooses. So if the massage is for an hour, the massage, including HJ or FS has to be completed within an hour.

Many of these B2B establishments operate in similar ways with only a few variations and price differences. The only thing going for them is they do have young pretty girls, so it's a snifter of some fresh pussy for a few thousand bahts.

Personally, I prefer going the whole hog, desirable girls and some proper sex without the drinking and without all the massage crap as a substitute for lets really get down and have a decent fuck, which is no longer available in Chiang Mai on a commercial scale.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2264253]This is correct and how that place operates, nothing special.

Fee for whatever the service you ask for, plus 500 baht standard HJ and 1000 baht girl naked, inhibited touching and HJ.

I've heard some of the girls will do FS in there, 3000 up to 5000 baht for mechanical sex that all have to be completed within the time period frame of whatever massage the customer chooses. So if the massage is for an hour, the massage, including HJ or FS has to be completed within an hour.

Many of these B2 B establishments operate in similar ways with only a few variations and price differences. The only thing going for them is they do have young pretty girls, so it's a snifter of some fresh pussy for a few thousand bahts.

Personally, I prefer going the whole hog, desirable girls and some proper sex without the drinking and without all the massage crap as a substitute for lets really get down and have a decent fuck, which is no longer available in Chiang Mai on a commercial scale.[/QUOTE]Arthur. Do you like living in chiangmai? I've never seen you post any positive report about that city. On the other hand, others seem to be able to have a great time. Including myself.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2237477]Its true Chiangmai is not Bangkok but it's not true you can't have a good time there and I am no newbie from Muskogee, living in Bangkok for the past 20 years. I was recently there for 3 nights 4 days and had a whale of a time. It's all down to expectations and the unexpected. Met a cute 22 year early on who wanted to stay with me, a well preserved MILF who wanted to live with me forever and an experience at a place called Aloha in the middle of nowhere that left me very happy. All were all in massage shops and frustratingly no I didn't keep names or actual locations. I would just say if you go there chill, wander around with an open mind and good things can happen.[/QUOTE]

Here is another one.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2264260]Arthur. Do you like living in chiangmai? I've never seen you post any positive report about that city. On the other hand, others seem to be able to have a great time. Including myself..[/QUOTE]I love living in Chiang Mai and this site is about the mongering scene not other splendors about Chiang Mai, for that you can go on Tripadvisor.

Somehow claiming to have met 2 women in massage parlours but can't tell us where these are, and you telling us you have a great time here does not constitute any value for those hoping to find any commercial sex scene in Chiang Mai, but rather something one may try to meet on a dating site such Thai Friendly.

I don't believe these B2 B parlours that have sprung up around the city over the last couple of years are value for money and are in-fact a rip-off. If guys are desperate enough or willing to pay 1600 baht plus for a glorified wank is up to them.

These days I now travel to Cambodia and other S. E. Countries for my mongering, better quality girls, better service and a lot cheaper. In Phnom Penh I can get an 18 or 19-year-old stunning girl to stay with me all night for around 1500 baht. At times my friends and I have had us and girls in the same bed, one big orgy for about 1500 to 2000 baht each that certainly beats a wank in some massage parlour with time limits. This is how CM used to be 15 years ago and before but that's changed now and if any guys are considering visiting Chiang Mai for women, you're going to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2264322]I love living in Chiang Mai and this site is about the mongering scene not other splendors about Chiang Mai, for that you can go on Tripadvisor.

Somehow claiming to have met 2 women in massage parlours but can't tell us where these are, and you telling us you have a great time here does not constitute any value for those hoping to find any commercial sex scene in Chiang Mai, but rather something one may try to meet on a dating site such Thai Friendly.[/QUOTE]Arthur nobody is saying Chiangmai is a mongering destination comparable to Bangkok Pattaya or other well know Asian destinations. The bleak sad picture you paint of it reflects your personal experience and you are entitled to call it as you see it. For other members including myself our experience has been different. Suggesting because somebody doesn't remember massage shop names that maybe it didn't happen is being disrespectful. Chiangmai is what you make of it and this comes down to expectations state of mind and a certain amount of luck. I love the place and for whatever reason I always have a good time there with a variety of experiences, something sadly Arthur will most likely will never happen for you.

Have a slightly interesting question, first though I have had some good moderate success at the Anime massage shop, the girls are quaint and nice. It's not close to mongering but there is something nice about it really. Relaxed and don't have to go crazy.

So has anyone had any experience finding luck with the ladys who do the cleaning in hotels, or condominiums etc? There are 2 cute girls who clean the condo where I stay, so actually one was cleaning in another room across my window. So thought I would try to see what a flash would do, she actually ended up just staring and looking over for a while getting a look. She cleans my side of the condo too, do these types of girls look for extra cash on the side also? If say I 'invited' her to clean my condo room also? How you think that would go down?

A few days ago saw an ad on craiglists (Chiang Mai section) that had a photo of a massage shop with a phone number. The ad:

I am looking for Customers who around here Chiang Mai.

We are friendly and Good services me Can be your GF and Guide.

Let contact back. XXX.

So I put the phone number in Google that led me to the: PK. Thai Massage.

This is located in Hang Dong, on the main road (121) near the Hang Dong Road (108). Type: PK. Thai Massage, San Phak Wan, Hang Dong District, Chiang Mai into Google for more details.

On their website under services, it offers standard massage service, including massage with HJ and B2B for 1800 baht, by appointment only, incall and outcall.

So I decided to give it a try. Phoned and a lady answered who spoke very good English. Asked her age and she said; in her 30's. Made an afternoon appointment and went there. When I entered the shop it has about 5 tables with mattresses separated by curtains. There was already 1 Farang in the shop.

2 ladies and no way were any of them in their 30's, more like mid to late '40s. One lady took the Farang upstairs and the other one put me on the ground floor mattress separated by curtains. Oil massage 1 hour, 300 baht. She told me the shop had only opened 3 months ago.

She asked me to lie on my stomach and began the message. Very slow, just a rub over with hands that seemed to go on forever, so-called relaxing background music on a CD player that was way too loud and irritating, got boring, the woman looked bored that lasted for the majority of the message. Then she asked me to turn over. After 2 minutes asked if I wanted a HJ for 500 baht. OK, I said, but that too was nothing special.

When finished I asked her about the B2B massage and what was involved? Told me she gets naked, does a massage, choice of covered BJ or HJ, no sex, you want now, 2000 baht she asked? Although it said 1800 baht on the website, I had no intentions of paying that amount for an almost 50-year-old woman I didn't particularly find attractive anyway, just for a naked massage with HJ. Told her OK, next time, but doubt I'll be going back. Wasn't disappointed because it was more or less what I expected.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2264373]Arthur nobody is saying Chiangmai is a mongering destination comparable to Bangkok Pattaya or other well know Asian destinations. The bleak sad picture you paint of it reflects your personal experience and you are entitled to call it as you see it. For other members including myself our experience has been different. Suggesting because somebody doesn't remember massage shop names that maybe it didn't happen is being disrespectful. Chiangmai is what you make of it and this comes down to expectations state of mind and a certain amount of luck. I love the place and for whatever reason I always have a good time there with a variety of experiences, something sadly Arthur will most likely will never happen for you.[/QUOTE]I have been participating in this Chiang Mai forum for I think about 10 years now.

Over those years I've been one of the members who has most actively played the field and reported my accounts in detail that has probably saved many a lot of expense by given information of what type of services to expect if considering trying out what's left of the mongering scene in Chiang Mai, including the locations, costs and the services involved.

I do put these establishments under review and share my experiences including those from reports of friends. I have lived in Chiang Mai for 35 years and have many well-connected friends here, therefore, consider myself qualified to report and review the adult entertainment scene in Chiang Mai.

I suspect some posters do have business interests in the hospitality sectors of Chiang Mai and consider my reports at times, bad for business. In the past, I've experienced posters tagging onto every post I make and had to report them so the mods can make these people cease and desist from their bullying techniques.

I am sure my reports have been and are extremely useful to many. Chiang Mai does have a lot going for it, but as I've mentioned countless times, these forums are about the mongering scene, not about temples and the mountain views. For that, I suggest moving over to Tripadvisor, but my reports are only pertaining to the commercial sex and mongering scene, what this is all about.

Those who boast about having amazing sexual encounters and experiences at certain establishments but can`t give any names, prices, locations, and details are of no use whatsoever for informative purposes and I will challenge those posters for sources of the details they are giving.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2268439]I have been participating in this Chiang Mai forum for I think about 10 years now.

Over those years I've been one of the members who has most actively played the field and reported my accounts in detail that has probably saved many a lot of expense by given information of what type of services to expect if considering trying out what's left of the mongering scene in Chiang Mai, including the locations, costs and the services involved.

I do put these establishments under review and share my experiences including those from reports of friends. I have lived in Chiang Mai for 35 years and have many well-connected friends here, therefore, consider myself qualified to report and review the adult entertainment scene in Chiang Mai.

I suspect some posters do have business interests in the hospitality sectors of Chiang Mai and consider my reports at times, bad for business. In the past, I've experienced posters tagging onto every post I make and had to report them so the mods can make these people cease and desist from their bullying techniques..[/QUOTE]Your tenure in Chiangmai is beyond doubt Arthur and may explain your feelings about the "scene" there. I've lived in Bangkok for 20 years and sometimes I get the jaded it's all same same. As I write I'm actually here and enjoying the weather and the girls. My m. O. For what's it's worth is to wander around the massage shops find a face I like book an oil massage and see what happens I do this 2 maybe 3 times a day until I meet somebody I hit it off with and then invite her to stay the night. Not always successful but always enjoyable. There is no point in mentioning which shop or girl because this is an one on one experience between me and some random masseuse. It's up to anybody wanting to try this approach to take the time stroll along the street facing the Mae Ping all the way to the Taepai Rd and also along Loh Kroh. The girls I hit it off may be totally different to the girls somebody else clicks with. The other thing about the girls I meet here they are genuinely nicer and friendlier than their cousins who choose to work in Bangkok or Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Deanmaxed;2267234]Have a slightly interesting question, first though I have had some good moderate success at the Anime massage shop, the girls are quaint and nice. It's not close to mongering but there is something nice about it really. Relaxed and don't have to go crazy.

So has anyone had any experience finding luck with the ladys who do the cleaning in hotels, or condominiums etc? There are 2 cute girls who clean the condo where I stay, so actually one was cleaning in another room across my window. So thought I would try to see what a flash would do, she actually ended up just staring and looking over for a while getting a look. She cleans my side of the condo too, do these types of girls look for extra cash on the side also? If say I 'invited' her to clean my condo room also? How you think that would go down?[/QUOTE]Anyone with any thoughts or experience on this? Cheers.

[QUOTE=Deanmaxed;2267234]Have a slightly interesting question, first though I have had some good moderate success at the Anime massage shop, the girls are quaint and nice. It's not close to mongering but there is something nice about it really. Relaxed and don't have to go crazy.

So has anyone had any experience finding luck with the ladys who do the cleaning in hotels, or condominiums etc? There are 2 cute girls who clean the condo where I stay, so actually one was cleaning in another room across my window. So thought I would try to see what a flash would do, she actually ended up just staring and looking over for a while getting a look. She cleans my side of the condo too, do these types of girls look for extra cash on the side also? If say I 'invited' her to clean my condo room also? How you think that would go down?[/QUOTE]She'll probably do nothing because most of them are Shan refugees and immigrants from Burma. If she does do something, it will probably be to mention it to a higher up. They'll probably call the police, and then we'll see your face on Thai Visa.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2268439]Those who boast about having amazing sexual encounters and experiences at certain establishments but can`t give any names, prices, locations, and details are of no use whatsoever for informative purposes and I will challenge those posters for sources of the details they are giving.[/QUOTE]I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though.

The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274486]I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though.

The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest.[/QUOTE]Although I don't believe there are any good mongering places now left in Chiang Mai, I do know that if some do stumble upon a gem somewhere, they'll be vague with the details for the reasons you mention and I can't blame them.

I also agree that this site and others similar that they are no longer a community of closed or open seasoned mongers anymore, which in fact means these sites are only going to cover old ground that most of us already know about and in-fact these Chiang Mai adult entertainment forums and information websites are not really serving a useful purpose, that is, sharing experiences on the Chiang Mai commercial sex scene and the passing on of information. This section especially becoming more like Thai visa with opinions about other posters rather than for reasons I have mentioned above.

I think judging by the minimum lack of activity on here proves that there's not much happening monger wise on the Chiang Mai scene that has deteriorated over the years into literally which has become just a load of grot. I do belong to a couple of more sites similar to ISG and like this one, virtually no activity and some that were around a couple of years ago have closed their sites down.

[QUOTE=Deanmaxed;2267234]Have a slightly interesting question, first though I have had some good moderate success at the Anime massage shop, the girls are quaint and nice. It's not close to mongering but there is something nice about it really. Relaxed and don't have to go crazy.

So has anyone had any experience finding luck with the ladys who do the cleaning in hotels, or condominiums etc? There are 2 cute girls who clean the condo where I stay, so actually one was cleaning in another room across my window. So thought I would try to see what a flash would do, she actually ended up just staring and looking over for a while getting a look. She cleans my side of the condo too, do these types of girls look for extra cash on the side also? If say I 'invited' her to clean my condo room also? How you think that would go down?[/QUOTE]There is a saying 'Never fuck the hired hand'.

You better stay with scaring old ladies in the park with your flashing stuff.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2274548]Although I don't believe there are any good mongering places now left in Chiang Mai, I do know that if some do stumble upon a gem somewhere, they'll be vague with the details for the reasons you mention and I can't blame them.

I also agree that this site and others similar that they are no longer a community of closed or open seasoned mongers anymore, which in fact means these sites are only going to cover old ground that most of us already know about and in-fact these Chiang Mai adult entertainment forums and information websites are not really serving a useful purpose, that is, sharing experiences on the Chiang Mai commercial sex scene and the passing on of information. This section especially becoming more like Thai visa with opinions about other posters rather than for reasons I have mentioned above.

I think judging by the minimum lack of activity on here proves that there's not much happening monger wise on the Chiang Mai scene that has deteriorated over the years into literally which has become just a load of grot. I do belong to a couple of more sites similar to ISG and like this one, virtually no activity and some that were around a couple of years ago have closed their sites down.[/QUOTE]The Thai language forums actually have a lot of information about the many good places in Chiang Mai. I personally think there are at least 10 very good spots in and around the city. I haven't seen most of them mentioned here though. I hope it stays that way.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274775]The Thai language forums actually have a lot of information about the many good places in Chiang Mai. I personally think there are at least 10 very good spots in and around the city. I haven't seen most of them mentioned here though. I hope it stays that way.[/QUOTE]There is a thriving sex industry in Chiang Mai, mostly operated by and reserved for Thais. Unless able to speak (included knowledge of Thai slang words so not easy to do a Google translate) read and write fluent Thai then Farangs rarely, if ever, can get in for a piece of the action and very much doubt these will be advertised on standard forums, Chiang Mai scene sites, craigslist or Thai dating sites.

There is also a huge demand for minor girls being pimped out by so-called Thai agents online including facebook. All going on in front of our noses but all strictly in Thai. So we never catch on what's being offered in this Thai parallel Universe sex industry. The Thais prefer it this way, keeping foreigners on the outside so as not to draw international attention as to how the Thai sex industry operates, who are involved and the clientele they cater for.

Here is a Bangkok Post article from 2013 that brings more light onto the subject:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/349226/online-sex-services-booming[/URL]

I have already covered this in detail on this thread. So again just covering old ground, it's nothing new.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2275726]There is a thriving sex industry in Chiang Mai, mostly operated by and reserved for Thais. Unless able to speak (included knowledge of Thai slang words so not easy to do a Google translate) read and write fluent Thai then Farangs rarely, if ever, can get in for a piece of the action and very much doubt these will be advertised on standard forums, Chiang Mai scene sites, craigslist or Thai dating sites.

There is also a huge demand for minor girls being pimped out by so-called Thai agents online including facebook. All going on in front of our noses but all strictly in Thai. So we never catch on what's being offered in this Thai parallel Universe sex industry. The Thais prefer it this way, keeping foreigners on the outside so as not to draw international attention as to how the Thai sex industry operates, who are involved and the clientele they cater for.

Here is a Bangkok Post article from 2013 that brings more light onto the subject:

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/349226/online-sex-services-booming[/URL]

I have already covered this in detail on this thread. So again just covering old ground, it's nothing new.[/QUOTE]Would you please stop posting links to annoying articles, moreover these that should never be a topic of discussion here. Majority of readers don't speak Thai and have no intention to ever start. All many of us need is a short list of freelance venues where pick up is guaranteed. No massage parlors, no escorts services, no BS. Just keep it simple to freelances of age of majority.

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2275726]There is a thriving sex industry in Chiang Mai, mostly operated by and reserved for Thais. Unless able to speak (included knowledge of Thai slang words so not easy to do a Google translate) read and write fluent Thai then Farangs rarely, if ever, can get in for a piece of the action and very much doubt these will be advertised on standard forums, Chiang Mai scene sites, craigslist or Thai dating sites.[/QUOTE]Since I spend time in Thailand every year, I learned some Thai. They don't mind foreigners at all. The Thai just helps find the place and communicate. They don't blink an eye at me not being Thai, with the exception of 1 or 2 cheap brothels. Women and service is at least five times better than what they put out for farang. In Chiang Mai, I would say maybe twenty times better.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276343]Since I spend time in Thailand every year, I learned some Thai. They don't mind foreigners at all. The Thai just helps find the place and communicate. They don't blink an eye at me not being Thai, with the exception of 1 or 2 cheap brothels. Women and service is at least five times better than what they put out for farang. In Chiang Mai, I would say maybe twenty times better.[/QUOTE]Thai Women and service is at least five times better than what they put out for farang. So? What's your point?

[QUOTE=ArthurTick;2276604]Thai Women and service is at least five times better than what they put out for farang. So? What's your point?[/QUOTE]My point is that instead of complaining about the lame farang bars in Chiang Mai learn some Thai or do a little research and go to the many places in town that are 5-20 times better.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276802]My point is that instead of complaining about the lame farang bars in Chiang Mai learn some Thai or do a little research and go to the many places in town that are 5-20 times better.[/QUOTE]Your point is you have no point, you're just tagging on to my posts for the sake of. No doubts you will come back on this post too.

I'm not complaining about the lame farang bars, I am giving out information and like to bet I speak better Thai than you do.

You say the many places that are 5 to 20 times better, so what use is that. I still don't know what your point is. If you believe you have better information than me then put up, overwise why are you bothering to post what is basically a useless load of crap.

Thanks for the laughs man. Enjoy Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276802]My point is that instead of complaining about the lame farang bars in Chiang Mai learn some Thai or do a little research and go to the many places in town that are 5-20 times better.[/QUOTE]I haven't posted on this site in a while, and never before in the Thailand section, but after living in Chiang Mai the last 8 months and studying Thai, I have to agree with Rick Rock.

Chiang Mai is a big city, but when it comes to the farang bars, restaurants, mongering spots. It's fucking tiny. I spend a few nights per month blowing money on Loi Kroh, dated a girl for a few months from the back end of one of those bars, been to a few massage places (Daisuki is reliably the best value for the money so it's my go-to if I'm up for that but the massage girls constantly change and some have better skill than others of course,) and have hooked up with random girls from bartenders, waitresses, day game, you name it. I don't go to places like Zoe or Spicy because I hate the backpacker farang that go there and almost all those girls are either freelancers or they're taking dick from every corner of the city. I also have never paid a bar fine or a freelancer here. Don't really need to.

However, I'm finding that the longer I stay in this town, the smaller it is getting. I've seen many of the bar girls from Loi Kroh go with guy after guy. I even run into them with different guys in every day situations. But I'm just 'their friend' so they aren't losing face. I have also noticed that I'm running out of places to 'hunt' for girls that I haven't fucked yet. I've even been caught a few times by a girl I've fucked before with a different girl but from a neighboring bar (not beer bar girls.) On top of this, I have met Eskimo brothers here in CNX (guys that have fucked the same girl.).

And lastly, before I mention why I am agreeing with Rick Rock, I have probably contracted my first ever STD right before my 40th birthday from a sexy AF waitress / bartender I was fucking for about a month that works at one of those guesthouses / hotels in the Old City. (Got the antibiotics and all is well.) This girl was pure sex, the porn kind, from day one. Smoking hot body, 25 years old, perky tits, squeeled vulgarly and loud. Could clench her pussy stronger than any pussy I'd ever had in my life. Could make me cum whenever she wanted by doing that. Had some bad tattoos and blond braids for fake hair with fake eye lashes. She probably worked in Pattaya or Phuket before based on some of her FB pictures.

Things were great at first. But then the attitude came about a little after a week. It got worse. She would only hit me up for sex and at her call. Her friends all dress like working girls and they all hang out at Zoe in yellow all the time. She never even asked for money and she even refused to accept when I offered to help her fix her motorbike. However, whenever I visited her work, I was always seeing her saying goodbye with some other farang with "see you later" softly spoken. Yeah, should have quit before I had to get loaded up on antibiotics shortly after Christmas which was the last time we fucked. So many red flags. Should have paid attention, but that pussy man. Fuck.

Anyway, told her I might have caught something. She seemed concerned at first. Then zero interest. After a few days. She told me she was going to get checked up but instead, for the first time ever, she asked for money for her new hair do for her upcoming birthday. This girl could barely afford to fix her motorbike, works 80 hours a week, carries backpacks with broken shoulder straps, and would rather get money for new hair rather than an STD screening and possible treatment. Because on Instagram she's a rock star. (If anyone wants to know where she works to chance their luck, send me a PM haha).

So long story short, the reason I agree with Rick Rock is because I've realised there are more tourist farang, English teachers, and so-called digital nomads here in Chiang Mai than there are actual Thai girls that are interested in farang men and that can speak English! Big difference there. Most of the girls that can speak English have learned it in the bar, or by having lots of dick, or both. The good Thai girls that aren't corrupted yet, that can't speak english, but are interested in something other than a Thai guy, will not approach us. They might even run if we say Hi.

I have learned some Thai, I can read a little, but my interest and choice to learn has given me leaps and bounds more opportunities than the average traveler passing through. This is a town where you are basically a farang that knows the language and gets access to the deeper parts of CNX and Thai culture, or you're just another fucking tourist.

So, in conclusion, without understanding of Thai language on a deeper level than even most expats that have been here for a few years (because most of those guys are spoiled and think that the Thailand of the 1990's still exists where a few dollars is enough to get you laid without any Thai,) then don't even bother coming here for sex tourism compared to Pattaya. Don't even bother trying to find a good girlfriend. You'll find pussy easily if you're decent looking and can pay for a few nights out. But just remember, you won't be the only one so wrap that shit up because almost every guy I've talked to doesn't wear condoms. Even with bar girls they've barfined.

There's a reason Northern Thailand is the STD capital of SEAsia. Chiang Mai is small as fuck in the whoring and club circle.

[QUOTE=Trace79;2277114]Had some bad tattoos and blond braids for fake hair with fake eye lashes.[/QUOTE]Bad signs. Usually unavoidable in Pattaya. In Chiang Mai there is a lot of other choice. Still understand how she pulled you in. Just in general any girl like this is going to be bad news in northern Thailand.

[QUOTE]So long story short, the reason I agree with Rick Rock is because I've realised there are more tourist farang, English teachers, and so-called digital nomads here in Chiang Mai than there are actual Thai girls that are interested in farang men and that can speak English! Big difference there. Most of the girls that can speak English have learned it in the bar, or by having lots of dick, or both. The good Thai girls that aren't corrupted yet, that can't speak english, but are interested in something other than a Thai guy, will not approach us. They might even run if we say Hi.[/QUOTE]Absolutely 100 percent true. The ones who can speak English have those skills for a reason. You've already figured out what they are.

Some people come to Thailand and look for women with the worst features of their own society. You (like me) have realized how much more is out there.

This not only applies to dating and pick ups (which are very possible if you can put together a few sentences in Thai).

It also applies to mongering. Because there are many good mongering places in Chiang Mai. They all accept Farang (though 1-2 cheap brothels have girls who fear the mythical white dick). They all have better looking women working than any Farang bar or massage. They all offer better service than any Farang shop. And they're all cheaper. It's a no brainer, but you have to use some brains to find them.

[QUOTE] But just remember, you won't be the only one so wrap that shit up because almost every guy I've talked to doesn't wear condoms. Even with bar girls they've barfined.

There's a reason Northern Thailand is the STD capital of SEAsia. Chiang Mai is small as fuck in the whoring and club circle.[/QUOTE]Especially since Thailand has one of the highest HIV rates in the world, and northern Thailand has the highest rates of the country.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2277258]Absolutely 100 percent true. The ones who can speak English have those skills for a reason. You've already figured out what they are.

Some people come to Thailand and look for women with the worst features of their own society. You (like me) have realized how much more is out there.

This not only applies to dating and pick ups (which are very possible if you can put together a few sentences in Thai).

It also applies to mongering. Because there are many good mongering places in Chiang Mai. They all accept Farang (though 1-2 cheap brothels have girls who fear the mythical white dick). They all have better looking women working than any Farang bar or massage. They all offer better service than any Farang shop. And they're all cheaper. It's a no brainer, but you have to use some brains to find them.[/QUOTE]The best way to stand out from countless tourists and farang living here is to learn Thai. The only other way second to that is to spend money like fucking crazy. I'm going to stick with the former.

As far as the Thai mongering places you mention, I have to agree. Aside from the slums of the Santitham brothels which mostly have Laos and Burmese girls, I've found a Thai brothel across from O2 gym just south of the end of Loi Kroh. There are some wicked fucking hot Thai girls in there. I haven't been in a very long time and never took a girl out; just drank a beer and chatted with the mamasan. Only one girl was available for me and she was much less attractive than the others. The others wouldn't even make eye contact; they just kept playing on their phones. These girls were mostly on the same level as the Thai hostess bars where you have super cheap Chang or LEO girls standing near your table constantly filling your glass or adding ice.

Speaking of the hostess bars in the Thai neighborhoods. Don't go solo. The Thais don't do it. You'll look weird and the This will think you aren't normal coming to a place like that alone. And you also will have a very small chance of getting a hostess girl's Line in a place like that where her friends and other Thais are watching.

The more you speak Thai, the better your chances of landing a hostess girl, getting a hot Thai girl from a Thai brothel, and the less money you will have to pay.

[QUOTE=Trace79;2277114]I haven't posted on this site in a while, and never before in the Thailand section, but after living in Chiang Mai the last 8 months and studying Thai, I have to agree with Rick Rock.

Chiang Mai is a big city, but when it comes to the farang bars, restaurants, mongering spots. It's fucking tiny. I spend a few nights per month blowing money on Loi Kroh, dated a girl for a few months from the back end of one of those bars, been to a few massage places (Daisuki is reliably the best value for the money so it's my go-to if I'm up for that but the massage girls constantly change and some have better skill than others of course,) and have hooked up with random girls from bartenders, waitresses, day game, you name it. I don't go to places like Zoe or Spicy because I hate the backpacker farang that go there and almost all those girls are either freelancers or they're taking dick from every corner of the city. I also have never paid a bar fine or a freelancer here. Don't really need to.

However, I'm finding that the longer I stay in this town, the smaller it is getting. I've seen many of the bar girls from Loi Kroh go with guy after guy. I even run into them with different guys in every day situations. But I'm just 'their friend' so they aren't losing face. I have also noticed that I'm running out of places to 'hunt' for girls that I haven't fucked yet. I've even been caught a few times by a girl I've fucked before with a different girl but from a neighboring bar (not beer bar girls.) On top of this, I have met Eskimo brothers here in CNX (guys that have fucked the same girl.)..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this brilliant report and it sums up the present day Chiang Mai mongering scene nicely.

There are always going to be risks of contracting STDs when going with any hookers or even meeting girls at random these days, and considering that Chiang Mai Thai hookers who cater more on the Farang scene are going to be heavily used due to supply and demand, the risks of STDs are probably going to be higher up here, so perhaps staying with the B2B HJ establishments are a safer bet or cracking into the Thai orientated sex scene, that again as you said; many of the Thai guys don't like using condoms.

Sadly, I really don't think there is much more that can be said on the ISG Chiang Mai forum. The old saying; it is, what it is.

[QUOTE=Trace79;2277380] Aside from the slums of the Santitham brothels which mostly have Laos and Burmese girls, I've found a Thai brothel across from O2 gym just south of the end of Loi Kroh. There are some wicked fucking hot Thai girls in there. I haven't been in a very long time and never took a girl out; just drank a beer and chatted with the mamasan. Only one girl was available for me and she was much less attractive than the others. The others wouldn't even make eye contact; they just kept playing on their phones. These girls were mostly on the same level as the Thai hostess bars where you have super cheap Chang or LEO girls standing near your table constantly filling your glass or adding ice..[/QUOTE]I was pointing out that place during a trip, last year. I went back in the afternoon but it seemed closed (strange place from the outside, but I guess that those establishments should not be obvious).

Does it only open on the evening?

The best places that I know are the nuru places. They can offer nice experiences once in a while.

[QUOTE=Visitusa;2279064]The best places that I know are the nuru places. They can offer nice experiences once in a while.[/QUOTE]Which are where?

Hi guys,

Question here, hope it's not out of line.

I have more money than time and don't go mongering too often, so want to have the best experience.

What's the best place in Chiang Mai where I can find hotter girls for short time, if price is no issue?

Also is there some place in Chiang Mai to get some mild BDSM and other fantasies fulfilled? If not maybe in Bangkok? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Allover;2202029]Just arrived for my first night in Chiang Mai and I wanted to go to Celeb massage parlor. Google Maps is indicating that Celeb Massage is permanently closed. Is this true or do I have the name wrong?[/QUOTE]Celeb is still open.

I went there in 2018. Price 1300-1600 if you can speak Thai.

I have visited Chiang Mai several times, occasionally for longer spells. For three year I have considered buying a condo to live part of he year here. Whereas I enjoy a certain aspect of life in.

[QUOTE=Anderlu;2299653]I have visited Chiang Mai several times, occasionally for longer spells. For three year I have considered buying a condo to live part of he year here. Whereas I enjoy a certain aspect of life in.[/QUOTE]So how is Chiang Mai? I haven't been there in 20 years. I loved it then, and am wondering what it's like now.

Read reports that Thai girls in Chang Mai are more lighter skinned than southern Thai's.

So just wondering the facts here? Do they look more Vietnamese / Chinese in their appearance generally or is it just the skin colour.

To me many Thai's look a bit too "hard" in the face for me. Just a personal preference.

Appreciate feedback.

NI.

I visit Thailand regularly, and this time I thought I'd stop by Chiangmai to see how much fun there is to be had. Well the short answer, as several have mentioned, is. Almost none! I read the reports on several sites, went to different places, and overall it's a complete disaster, especially compared to Bangkok where I had a blast as usual. There are massage places everywhere, but I have yet to see one attractive girl in any shop! The only decent girls are at the alley / boxing stadium, they're quite friendly but nothing like in Bangkok! The Tinder-like apps are also a waste of time, most girls who answer are ladyboys, massage girls, women in their 30's, or lazy, stuck up girls asking for money (and I'm not old or ugly! I'm not on ThaiFriendly, but unfortunately, and again like many have mentioned in the Bangkok forum, there has been a clear decline in the women's *attitude* herein this country (and others) compared to 10-20 years ago. Will check out a couple more places, but overall want to confirm what others have said and to skip CM for mongering.