Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[QUOTE=Newbie]I do know of one between Le thu Trong & Le Thanh Ton. There are also quite a few near my office in D1. have yet to venture there as my usual bunch of party animals are no longer based in HCMC which leaves me as a lone ranger.....

Sudsoz, for more info you know where to find me[/QUOTE]

I know of a couple of bars on Thai Van Lung in that area. One has a pool table in the garage area in front and the other is near the corner with a pool table off to the side. Wendella describes them pretty well. Some of the other places on that strip have been karaoke, japanese bars and regular bars in the past.

These places all serve cold beer from a refrigerator at a bar and you can choose your company from what you can see. You can choose to stay at the bar or move to another part of the place.

At what I call a Bia Om the mama escorts you to a room and brings in warm beer with ice in a bucket. You select your gal(s) from a lineup like at a karaoke.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I know of a couple of bars on Thai Van Lung in that area. One has a pool table in the garage area in front and the other is near the corner with a pool table off to the side. Wendella describes them pretty well. Some of the other places on that strip have been karaoke, japanese bars and regular bars in the past.

These places all serve cold beer from a refrigerator at a bar and you can choose your company from what you can see. You can choose to stay at the bar or move to another part of the place.

At what I call a Bia Om the mama escorts you to a room and brings in warm beer with ice in a bucket. You select your gal (s) from a lineup like at a karaoke. [/QUOTE] Nope, nope, nope not my divination of bia ohm. My way of thinking is a loud disco atmosphere with fine ass young VNese ladies that are always paying attention to you and your bia, always giving you the ohm. Hugging I mean. That's what I prefer to look for and the exchange of phone numbers Then, doing the deed after you get to the hotel and rest a little before jumping on those young bones (hehehe). These type of bia ohms are much cleaner with no action upstairs by the pool table and you know what I'm talking about if you read some of the other posting by 1 monger that knows the area much better than I do. But that's what I like and that's what I'm looking for. Cold bia, hot chicks, and loud music.

[QUOTE=Whisper1]Catwalk is in New World Hotel. The entrance is on Le Lai Street. If you are coming from Ben Thanh Market, just walk along the park, when you see the New World hotel directly across from the park, it will be the first entrance.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you, Whisper1, and to Sudsoz, for pointing me in the right direction. I will check it out.

I have yet to try a Bia Om place in Saigon. But have plenty of experience in areas from Can Tho and further afield in the countryside.

My take on the whole whole experience going with locals in groups of 3-4+ guys for Bia Om session:

- Get in the private room ( dimly lit karaoke style), sit on the couch and each guy selects a girl.

- They pour the cold beers, get them to bring out the fruit and cigarettes.

- They feed you, drink with you and and hug you and engage in conversation
( i.e generally entertain)

- Get drunk and openly groping of breasts and pussy in front of your mates. And if you're doing well, pull their panties down and some general breast flashing in a group atmosphere for a good laugh.

- 50,000 VND tip for each girl plus drinks etc. Grab some phone numbers and negotiate for either ST or LT if you want to take it further.

That's my definition of a boys night out Bia Om styles.

Can someone suggest a good bia om to go too. I haven't been to one, so i really don't know which one to go too. Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Vkuc1]I have yet to try a Bia Om place in Saigon. But have plenty of experience in areas from Can Tho and further afield in the countryside.

My take on the whole whole experience going with locals in groups of 3-4+ guys for Bia Om session:

- Get in the private room ( dimly lit karaoke style), sit on the couch and each guy selects a girl.

- They pour the cold beers, get them to bring out the fruit and cigarettes.

- They feed you, drink with you and and hug you and engage in conversation
( i.e generally entertain)

- Get drunk and openly groping of breasts and pussy in front of your mates. And if you're doing well, pull their panties down and some general breast flashing in a group atmosphere for a good laugh.

- 50,000 VND tip for each girl plus drinks etc. Grab some phone numbers and negotiate for either ST or LT if you want to take it further.

That's my definition of a boys night out Bia Om styles.[/QUOTE]Nope nope nope. That's what's called VIP room. Not bia om

My exp. with bia om was a small, not so well kept mostly out door facility, where there were a group of girls, you have a beer, choose a girl and go in the back room for service. BBBJ was my choice with no CIM, she kept spitting every 30 seconds, kinda broke the mood if you know what I mean but it's her mouth right? Pretty much functional and not too pricey. $20 USD beer included, Girl stripped down for the deed and there was unlimited fondling. Sweet lil thing about a 6.5.

First note: A visa on arrival is fairly easy to do. I paid $25 to do it online, and it took a minute to fill out the info. They then send an invoice, and they either want a bank transfer, or Xoom.com payment. I had never used Xoom before, but it was easy to set up. If you Google Xoom plus coupon, you can find one to avoid the fee. I used Paypal to fund the Xoom payment since I figured if there was a problem, there would at least be some chance to reverse the charge.

Upon arrival, you go to the Landing Visa windows (To the left of all the customs booths). The guy took a look at my document, and just ripped it up, and gave me a new form to fill out. You need one passport style photo. You then give it back with the photo, and he hands it off to the back to process. About 15 minutes later, a lady comes up and you pay the fee ($25 for a single entry), and she hands you back your passport.

I was first in line, so if you're further back, I can imagine it taking an hour or so.

Taxi booths quoted $12-$14 for a ride to my hotel in Dist 1. I used the meter, and paid about 100k.

I've been in HCMC for a few days, and staying at a 5 star hotel at the moment. It's been better than I thought so far, but nothing extraordinary so far.

I got a massage at non-sexual massage mentioned for 165k for 90 minutes in District 1. Other than the fact that the lady was giggling for the first 20 minutes, it was pretty good. She also seemed in love with my goatee, and kept pulling it and giggling.

I walked to Apocalypse Now last night from my hotel (3-4 blocks). Very crowded ini the main room, about 50% full on the patio. I wish they had normal chairs in the bar instead of just stools. There were some pretty attractive ladies there, but other than a phone number, I didn't do much.

I'll be looking for a moderate hotel here on Sunday, so if anyone has a GF place in the $20-$40 a range, let me know. I've read of some places in various threads, but haven't checked anything out yet.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]

I've been in HCMC for a few days, and staying at a 5 star hotel at the moment. It's been better than I thought so far, but nothing extraordinary so far. [/QUOTE]

Too bad - at airport right now and on my way home via HK. We could have met up. I did meet up with 1Ball in Bkk and your name came up ;)

PM Wendella, he was going to show me around this weekend!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Too bad - at airport right now and on my way home via HK. We could have met up. I did meet up with 1Ball in Bkk and your name came up ;)

PM Wendella, he was going to show me around this weekend![/QUOTE]

Sorry I missed you. It took a couple of days to get settled in, and I wasn't 100% sure if ISG would work here.

When I'm on a long trip (This one will be 27 days total in 4 countries), I like to check out a movie. I saw three theaters listed in the paper in Saigon, with not much exciting. I decided, after a quick BBBJ at Cafe 29, to cool off at a movie.

I had a taxi card filled out by my hotel for the Parkson Shopping Center in District 5. The address is 126 Hung Vuong St. Lower levels are just the shopping center. Supermarket and food courts are on level 3. Movies are on 7th level.

Weekend pricing is 70k, Wednesday special 45k, otherwise 60k. The movie theater is quite nice with good quality seats with raise-able arms.

After the movie was over, I went down to the food court. Decent meals in the 25k-60k range. For the first 40 minutes I was the only obvious foreigner there. Lots of young people and family. I then saw some teenagers come in. I don't know how easy it is to pick up the ladies here, but I did get a lot of attention. Of course, children look at me, and cry and run to their parents, so it's probably that. ;)

This would probably be a good place to take a date to. As long as you get on the elevator quickly, and don't pay the huge bucks for the perfumes at Parkson! Lots of really cute demonstration girls.

[QUOTE=Saltydog]Nope nope nope. That' what's called VIP room. Not bia om[/QUOTE]


That sounds like a bia om to me, what vkuc described. Beer, large room, music, grabbing titties and playing with cooches.

[QUOTE=Vkuc1]I have yet to try a Bia Om place in Saigon. But have plenty of experience in areas from Can Tho and further afield in the countryside.

My take on the whole whole experience going with locals in groups of 3-4+ guys for Bia Om session:

- Get in the private room ( dimly lit karaoke style), sit on the couch and each guy selects a girl.

- They pour the cold beers, get them to bring out the fruit and cigarettes.

- They feed you, drink with you and and hug you and engage in conversation
( i.e generally entertain)

- Get drunk and openly groping of breasts and pussy in front of your mates. And if you're doing well, pull their panties down and some general breast flashing in a group atmosphere for a good laugh.

- 50,000 VND tip for each girl plus drinks etc. Grab some phone numbers and negotiate for either ST or LT if you want to take it further.

That's my definition of a boys night out Bia Om styles.[/QUOTE]

That's what I expect of a Bia Om. A VIP room (or KTV) I would expect to be much plusher with whisky or brandy rather than beer.

Well, as I wrap up my Saigon leg, I thought I'd mention a restaurant that the Hyatt had recommended to me.

It's Quan An Ngon. 138 Nam Ky Khoi Nghia. District 1.

I ate here a few times, and always had great food here. Seafood, beef, pork and chicken. Most are in the range of $2.50-$6.00 per entree. I often tried a few different things, and never spent more than $10.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]
It's Quan An Ngon. 138 Nam Ky Khoi Nghia. District 1.

[/QUOTE]

One of my favorites - always stop by for lunch at least once or twice each visit.
A couple of other mentions for future reference but more pricey:

1. Temple Club, 29-31 Ton That Thiep St, District 1, Tel: 8299-244
2. Nghi Xuan 5/9 Nguyen Sieu st, tel 823-0699 (off of Hai Ba Trung Street), in alley with some massage parlors next door!

238 Pasteur St - District 3. (with 1 other HCMC location, and one Hanoi location)

I saw an ad for a Brazilian style Churrasco restaurant, and decided to give it a try. I like this style of endless tableside meat, if it's done right. I know it's a bit much to expect much in Asia, but I'm always optimistic.

I went around 7pm. Cost is 390k+. You get all the meat you want, plus they also bring by salad, steamed spinach, black beans, etc. Unlike all Churasco places I've been to around the world, this one did not have a buffet part where you got your sides. Everything was brought to the table.

It started with warm bread and two cheese covered clams. Most of the servers brought two dishes, except for the salad server.

The meat is not salted like it is in Brazil, which is probably good, since they often put a bit too much on for my taste.

You get beef, chicken, shrimp, lamb, and I think, pork. One of my favorite combinations was the ham, with roasted pineapple they sliced off. The shrimp wrapped in bacon was also quite good, as long as it was fresh.

Not a great deal, of course, but about 460k with water, and 10% tax. No service charge was added.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]238 Pasteur St - District 3. (with 1 other HCMC location, and one Hanoi location)

I saw an ad for a Brazilian style Churrasco restaurant, and decided to give it a try. I like this style of endless tableside meat, if it's done right. I know it's a bit much to expect much in Asia, but I'm always optimistic.

I went around 7pm. Cost is 390k+. You get all the meat you want, plus they also bring by salad, steamed spinach, black beans, etc. Unlike all Churasco places I've been to around the world, this one did not have a buffet part where you got your sides. Everything was brought to the table.

It started with warm bread and two cheese covered clams. Most of the servers brought two dishes, except for the salad server.

The meat is not salted like it is in Brazil, which is probably good, since they often put a bit too much on for my taste.

You get beef, chicken, shrimp, lamb, and I think, pork. One of my favorite combinations was the ham, with roasted pineapple they sliced off. The shrimp wrapped in bacon was also quite good, as long as it was fresh.

Not a great deal, of course, but about 460k with water, and 10% tax. No service charge was added.[/QUOTE]

The other HCMC location is at Phu My Hung and there is another Churascaria over on Nuygen Trai but not as good.

I think it is Wed night that the Pasteur location has a salsa dancing night where the local gals go to kick up their heels!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The other HCMC location is at Phu My Hung and there is another Churascaria over on Nuygen Trai but not as good.

I think it is Wed night that the Pasteur location has a salsa dancing night where the local gals go to kick up their heels![/QUOTE]The PMH location is located at rear area of the Sky Garden apartment complex (near the pool). Having some dinner there tonight.

I had run out of Cialis a few months back, so decided to see if I could find some reasonably priced in HCMC.

The first place I tried, I asked for Cialis, and they gave me a generic, but it was actually Viagra, which just gives me a headache. When I went to the Go2 bar, there was a small pharmacy down the street that had original (if the box is to be believed) Cialis for 300k for 4 pills.

I had some other expensive prescriptions for a family member that I was hoping to pick up. I ended up finding some generic versions for 1/10th the price I pay for them, as well as 60% off on some name brand ones.

I also found some generic Tadalafil (Cialis) for 50k per tablet. I used the original Cialis and it seemed to work fine. (I get the 20mg pills and break them into 2-3 parts). I have heard about a lot of fake stuff, so use common sense.

There are a lot of Pharmacies bunched up on HBT. In the 300 or so area. (309, is one I remember). Always price shop, or course. I found variations of 10-20% even in this area.

For other items, I think the closer you get to India, and the source of many generics, the cheaper they are. I found some $1 each generic Cialis in Sri Lanka.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I had run out of Cialis a few months back, so decided to see if I could find some reasonably priced in HCMC.

The first place I tried, I asked for Cialis, and they gave me a generic, but it was actually Viagra, which just gives me a headache. When I went to the Go2 bar, there was a small pharmacy down the street that had original (if the box is to be believed) Cialis for 300k for 4 pills.

I had some other expensive prescriptions for a family member that I was hoping to pick up. I ended up finding some generic versions for 1/10th the price I pay for them, as well as 60% off on some name brand ones.

I also found some generic Tadalafil (Cialis) for 50k per tablet. I used the original Cialis and it seemed to work fine. (I get the 20mg pills and break them into 2-3 parts). I have heard about a lot of fake stuff, so use common sense.

There are a lot of Pharmacies bunched up on HBT. In the 300 or so area. (309, is one I remember). Always price shop, or course. I found variations of 10-20% even in this area.

For other items, I think the closer you get to India, and the source of many generics, the cheaper they are. I found some $1 each generic Cialis in Sri Lanka.[/QUOTE]

I have the same problem with V and bite the 20 mg Cialis off into smaller bits like you. The Pharmacies on HBT are more expensive than the smaller ones or even the ones on Nugyen Hue. The one I go to most is on Mac Thi Boui near to the Bach Dang Hotel and 300k is the regular price for real stuff. At that price I don't see any point in using the generics. I find it best to ask for Tadalafil rather than Cialis.

I have been told that after Xmas there will be more restrictions placed on pharmacies supplying without prescription. This is directed at the excessive use of antibiotics (which makes the bugs more resistant) and I am not sure if it will effect Tadalafil.

Hello Guys,

New to the Viet scene. Planning to go there next year. Around Feb. There are 2 options. 1 is to Hanoi and the other HCMC. I'm wondering of that 2 which part the girls are prettier LOL.

Does any1 have connection to viet university students. Fair skinned, with nice melons not that huge that makes the girl look not proportionate. Lolz. Hopefully better if they can speak english. I would like to understand more on this and really appreciate it.

By the way, I heard from my friend that they only like to deal in US dollar and not their normal currency vietnam DONGS! Is that true?

Regards

I think more mongering action happens in the HCMC/Saigon area. Dollars or Dong were accepted with no problem for me with the chicas in VN.

Well after getting tired of the previous girls I met online or through hot toc places...(Some were great girls that I would be willing to go out again while others were just moneygrubbers which I will definitely not call to go out again) I took a try at picking up girls at the malls...diamond and parkson.

My first attempt was a girl who served drinks at the Diamond bowling alley. She was pretty cute so i sat next to the bar and tried to strike up a conversation. I just asked her was she doing her homework while on the job and she just smiled and said no. She just said she was bored so after a few minutes she was asking me questions...I just asked her what she liked to do in Ho Chi Minh and she told me a few places and was willing to show me around if she had time. Very friendly girl.

However after talking to original bowling girl I saw her coworker which was more of a stunner than her. So the next day I ventured off to the bowling alley again. This girl however was no fun. She seemed not interested in me at all after talking for a few minutes so strike one...hehe....

Then I walked down to the first floor and scoped the perfume and makeup girls. One of the girls behind the Bvlgari section was quite hot. So I went up to the counter and asked to try the examples of cologne. She asked me do I want to test the perfume for a girlfriend or to try cologne for myself. I chose cologne for obvious reasons of course. We exchanged smiles and I just asked for her opinions on which cologne did she like the best and started a conversation from there. After a few minutes I think her manager came and the manager helped me from there...nice cock block....I would definitely go back and try talking to her again...when I have time. Guys how should I go about asking for her number? I definetely want to go out with this girl. It is tough to ask for her number when her coworkers are around. Any advice?

After teh Bvlgari girl I went to the section where they were advertising the new Samsung cellphone with the purple hair girls. There was two of them and one was really cute. So I walked past her and touched her hair and asked her if it was real.....she just smiled and said jokingly yes. I asked her what were they advertising and she showed me the new Samsung cellphone meant to compete with the Iphone. I just asked to see it....just so I can talk to her more with no intentions on getting the phone. Phone was $800 usd....ouch....girl was very friendly and I had good vibes with her.


More field reports when I have time to go out scoping Ho Chi Minh again.

[QUOTE=Jacky33]Well after getting tired of the previous girls I met online or through hot toc places. (Some were great girls that I would be willing to go out again while others were just moneygrubbers which I will definitely not call to go out again) I took a try at picking up girls at the malls. Diamond and parkson.

My first attempt was a girl who served drinks at the Diamond bowling alley. She was pretty cute so I sat next to the bar and tried to strike up a conversation. I just asked her was she doing her homework while on the job and she just smiled and said no. She just said she was bored so after a few minutes she was asking me questions. I just asked her what she liked to do in Ho Chi Minh and she told me a few places and was willing to show me around if she had time. Very friendly girl.

However after talking to original bowling girl I saw her coworker which was more of a stunner than her. So the next day I ventured off to the bowling alley again. This girl however was no fun. She seemed not interested in me at all after talking for a few minutes so strike one. Hehe.

Then I walked down to the first floor and scoped the perfume and makeup girls. One of the girls behind the Bvlgari section was quite hot. So I went up to the counter and asked to try the examples of cologne. She asked me do I want to test the perfume for a girlfriend or to try cologne for myself. I chose cologne for obvious reasons of course. We exchanged smiles and I just asked for her opinions on which cologne did she like the best and started a conversation from there. After a few minutes I think her manager came and the manager helped me from there. Nice cock block. I would definitely go back and try talking to her again. When I have time. Guys how should I go about asking for her number? I definetely want to go out with this girl. It is tough to ask for her number when her coworkers are around. Any advice?

After the Bvlgari girl I went to the section where they were advertising the new Samsung cellphone with the purple hair girls. There was two of them and one was really cute. So I walked past her and touched her hair and asked her if it was real. She just smiled and said jokingly yes. I asked her what were they advertising and she showed me the new Samsung cellphone meant to compete with the Iphone. I just asked to see it. Just so I can talk to her more with no intentions on getting the phone. Phone was $800 usd. Ouch. Girl was very friendly and I had good vibes with her.

More field reports when I have time to go out scoping Ho Chi Minh again. [/QUOTE]Hey mate,

I have not been to Vietnam, but I'm planning to go very soon somewhere after Chinese New Year in Feb. Well. In regards to picking up girls from malls. Maybe you should be more bold la. Make deals with them like buy perfume and would you like to go out dinner with me and be my little tour guide. Give them some tips. Spend them eat. Tell them. And no strings attached la.

As for phone a little quite hard. Just say you are new in Viet. Maybe ask her for some nice places eat. Then tell her eh. Why don't you come with me I spend you eat with herr friends. ! Bringing her out with her friends would most likely make her feel you are more sincere.

Its just how I would do it. But please la. This is just an example. You are a guy you should know how to find tricks and ways to get the girl to give you their contacts.

Regards

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hey mate,

I have not been to Vietnam, but I'm planning to go very soon somewhere after Chinese New Year in Feb. Well. In regards to picking up girls from malls. Maybe you should be more bold la. Make deals with them like buy perfume and would you like to go out dinner with me and be my little tour guide. Give them some tips. Spend them eat. Tell them. And no strings attached la.

As for phone a little quite hard. Just say you are new in Viet. Maybe ask her for some nice places eat. Then tell her eh. Why don't you come with me I spend you eat with herr friends. ! Bringing her out with her friends would most likely make her feel you are more sincere.

Its just how I would do it. But please la. This is just an example. You are a guy you should know how to find tricks and ways to get the girl to give you their contacts.

Regards[/QUOTE]

Crikey mate - you got me confused with all the la la la's!

Anyway most so-called ordinary girls in Saigon are keen to improve their english and keen to spend some time with a foreigner away from their normally squalid living conditions. Not a lot of subterfuge is required - usually hand her your phone and say 'give me your number I'll buy you nice dinner' and that's all that is required.

The amount of work involved after that can vary considerably.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Crikey mate - you got me confused with all the la la la's!
[/QUOTE]

Crikey la.

Nah, I think it's cool having all our regional accents on display here. It is the [b][i]international[/i][/b] sex guide, after all.

[QUOTE=Jacky33]Well after getting tired of the previous girls I met online or through hot toc places...(Some were great girls that I would be willing to go out again while others were just moneygrubbers which I will definitely not call to go out again) I took a try at picking up girls at the malls...diamond and parkson.[/QUOTE]Your on the right track. Just ask for her number.

Viet girls are not at all backwards about people coming forwards, if you spot someone you like, just walk up to them, say "chao them", ask them if they are well etc. No more than 5 minutes of small talk, make sure you slip in "them co ban trai khong" (do you have a boyfriend), if they answer no ("khong"), you ask them if they would like to show you some of saigon and can you have her phone number

That's how I met my current girlfriend

Dishing out your phone number to strangers is totally socially acceptable here

Knowing a few "Hi how are you" phrases is also killer for getting girls numbers, they totally love it when a foreigner can ask a couple of question in their language.

Well everyone, I'll be back in HCMC again around February 15th until around the same time in March. Wow a whole month off from work. Anyway, my wife and daughter will be with me and not sure how much time I can get away from them while we visit her family here, but I sure as hell am going to try to get away a few hours at a time to visit some sweet honeys I met on tagged. My buddy just talked to me last week to let me know he is marrying a viet girl from Soc Trang. I asked him how he met her and she was cutting hair in D1. No english and was in bed with him 2 days later at the hotel. I asked him, "And you want to marry her??" But for a guy that married my 19 yo live in babysitter when he was 52, it's par for the course. His GF is 23 and a little hottie, but if I was a gambler, I'd say he's in for a ride, especially since he's been supporting her since he left the first time last year from being with her.

Anyway, just planning for some fun in HCMC and will probably go to Ca Mau, Chau Doc, Dalat, and Nha Trang again while I am there. My favorite places. Vung Tau I hit a couple of times usually because it's so close on the Hydro.

If anyone wants to catch a drink or two while I am there, just let me know. I'll have a number once I get there or you can always catch me here.

I've noticed in the Tu Xuong area of district 3, near district 1, there are often some streetwalkers out at night, not every night, and not always on the same street. They can be found on the other streets parallel to Tu Xuong.

Went to the bus station at Ben Thanh market. Took the # 20 bus to District 7. Got off at Huynh Tan Phat Str. Walked up HTP and saw some Hot Tocs. Was deciding which one to go into when a guy asked me if I wanted a massage.

The sign out front read 60, 000 dong, but I was told foreigners pay 80k. Fair enough so I bought a ticket.

Had a private room. Put on a pair of shorts they gave me. Girl was maybe a 7. She had a big fat upper lip and I like that. The back massage was rough and included being stepped on. After the flip my neck and fingers were cracked and twisted.

Girl requested a tip before the finish. Offered 100k. She asked for 200k. Fair enough.

She spoke very little English. She managed to ask me my age and if I am married. I told her she is beautiful in Viet. She gave me her phone #.

Total cost:
bus 3k + 3k
ticket 80k
tip 200k

I have their business card. PM if you want details. I may go back tomorrow and try a different place.

Tu Xuong st at both ends often have girls as said, but there are often raids so some nights there's none or v few. You can wander around & girls there will stop & offer. price should be min 200k + 100k room up to 300k + room. Quality is often poor but some can surprise you. Some won't take off their top or give a bj unless you pay extra.

I usually head further out next to Big C, more selection, same prices, similar quality. I've found a non-looker who's an eager performer despite the size problems.

I usually head further out next to Big C, more selection, same prices, similar quality.

Is this Big C out in Tanh Binh towards the airport way?... Which streets would be the best?.

On the odd occasion I used to go down NTMK and NBK, but the numbers of girls has decreased significantly. As you said prob raids in that area or the local cops in the area are not happy.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Nonthab]
I usually head further out next to Big C, more selection, same prices, similar quality. [/QUOTE]

There are a few Big C's in town -- which one are you talking about? Which district? Street?

thanks

[QUOTE=Wendella]There are a few Big C's in town -- which one are you talking about? Which district? Street?

thanks[/QUOTE]

I think he means the area near where the Vung Tau highway turns off from the Bien Hoa/Hanoi Highway.

See quite a few joints there while driving past but never stop.

[QUOTE=Wendella]There are a few Big C's in town -- which one are you talking about? Which district? Street?

thanks[/QUOTE]

He means the one on Hoang Van Thu. The street on the way to the airport. There are usually about 5 or 6 girls standing on the street after 8:00pm.

[QUOTE=Whisper1]He means the one on Hoang Van Thu. The street on the way to the airport. There are usually about 5 or 6 girls standing on the street after 8:00pm.[/QUOTE]
I have never picked up a girl in street. One reason of this is because I am leery of their hygene. But I want to have a go.
Anyone who has done this in HCMC, can you give more details?
You just approch her and what would you say to a girl? in English, VN?
How pretty/ugly are they?
What is the service like? Just HJ, CBJ/BBJ, all the way?
How much?
Where would they take you? or you take them somewhere?

[QUOTE=Ad Pod]Hi guys,

I will be in HCMC.

Any suggestion on where can i go, e.g

Stripper club or some cool joints.

Thanks in advance.

Tom[/QUOTE]Try #49, #51 or #91 Hai Ba Trung Street, District 1

Whisper is correct. Late at night there can be as many as 20 girls or none if the cops are about.

I approach these girls on my motorbike, often they don't have one so they hop on back. Price starts from 200k. Quality varies massively, looks are on low end, but only way to determine performance is try each one, they're all different. I just say hello & then ask how much, if they say more than 300k I move onto the next one. They understand numbers & hotel in English & not much more but that's all you need. They have a fav hotel nearby they'll take you to. Room is very basic cost 50 or 100k.

Being far away from Vietnam and Asia, I write to simply say to those on the ground, count your blessings, and enjoy them while you can! Can't wait to return, but don't know when that will be.

Happy hunting

Hi,

Just back from Nam again and will be there again in 10 weeks. Had a couple of my usual girls I always see and some new ones. But hey I have finaly got my regular girls trained and when you put them up against a new girl. Wow what a difference!

New girl. Looks awesome a real knock out 9 out of 10 but treats the whole thing like a business deal. Shower. Shower she demands. Then walks out nude (no mystery or fun in that) jumps on the bed, open her legs and tells me I can kiss her but she will not kiss me. She gets me hard and then stops to get condom. I got to touch pussy and get told off. No touching there with your fingers!

She then proceeds to give HJ but every stroke spits onto a towel. If all of that is not distracting enough she then takes a phone call during and also texts her girlfriend towards the end!

I just couldn't do it. Lost the moment and urge. Felt way too steril and inpersonel not to mention her telling me not to do it so hard.

So I stopped and said forget it. Paid her and told the mamasan that the girl was a real mood killer. Mamasan said to me "but she looks hot" and I said yeah she looks like sex on legs but crap in the bedroom. So guys that is the norm out there as I have come across this sort of thing many, many times but it's still an adventure just don't get your hopes up too high and be willing to grab a hold of one that is good and you will be fine. I always have my usual set up girls I see each trip and then experiment with others. It's all fun and exciting and wouldn't swap it for anything in the world!

Cheers

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[QUOTE=Viet1][b]Some general info[/b]

Just back from Nam again and will be there again in 10 weeks. Had a couple of my usual girls I always see and some new ones. But hey I have finaly got my regular girls trained and when you put them up against a new girl. Wow what a difference!

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Yes that sure is General.

Um, is it ok if we know which place(s) you are talking about?

I'm not sure I agree this is what should be a report of distinction, mainly because it doesn't identify anything that could be useful to other members. Does our moderator read these posts before that message gets attached?

As reported earlier, there is an entrance into Club Royale from the first floor of the hotel. (For those in the USA, I’m referring to the second floor.) And it was possible to avoid the 9 PM time limit for guests and get a girl into my room. The only catch was the girl needed to leave the hotel by the same door and this door usually closes around 3 AM.

I also found out I could get a massage from the hotel spa which includes a hand job. The basic massage for an was $21 and the HJ was an extra $10. (The girls started out asking for an extra $40 but came down quickly.) I know this is no great bargain but might be a useful option for those traveling with others and find it difficult to get the opportunity to explore other options.

Anyway, I want to thank all of the guys who gave suggestions. It made a long business trip much more pleasant.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm not sure I agree this is what should be a report of distinction, mainly because it doesn't identify anything that could be useful to other members. Does our moderator read these posts before that message gets attached?[/QUOTE]

It doesn't seem so. For many years, lame posts have gotten this same tag.

[QUOTE=Need More Gas]I have never picked up a girl in street. One reason of this is because I am leery of their hygene. But I want to have a go.
Anyone who has done this in HCMC, can you give more details?
You just approch her and what would you say to a girl? in English, VN?
How pretty/ugly are they?
What is the service like? Just HJ, CBJ/BBJ, all the way?
How much?
Where would they take you? or you take them somewhere?[/QUOTE]

Have driven past this spot a few times in past month or 2 -- have seen some quite rough looking ones there, and only rough looking ones. Not worth the time, I say. If you're ok with ugly/old and cheap, then it might be worth it for you.

Hi guys,

Just a point on the comments made about items going to the Reports of Distinction thread. Agreed my post was not intended to end up there and my point was simple. It seems that many people on this forum visit Vietnam often and often complain about the lack of skills most Viet girls seem to have which in general I agree with. My point is that if you are a regular traveller to HCM then hook up with a regular, train her and have her at your service while you visit. It doesn't mean exclusive and you are still free to experiment with others but it's a great fall back and they also like the attention and money.

Generally I imagine a forum to be a place where we can all come and tell of our experiences, both good and bad. Nobody is an expert and things change quickly, we all have different tastes and its fun to read what other people have tried. It's all about positive sharing and not really intended for negative comments.

I can go into a bar today and have an awesome time and another guy could go in tomorow and have a crap time. That's all in the luck of the game which all of us on this forum play and that's what makes it so damn exciting.

It took me ages to get a regular but now I have two and both are pretty cool about it as well!

[QUOTE=Viet1]Hi guys,

Just a point on the comments made about items going to the Reports of Distinction thread. Agreed my post was not intended to end up there and my point was simple. It seems that many people on this forum visit Vietnam often and often complain about the lack of skills most Viet girls seem to have which in general I agree with. My point is that if you are a regular traveller to HCM then hook up with a regular, train her and have her at your service while you visit. It doesn't mean exclusive and you are still free to experiment with others but it's a great fall back and they also like the attention and money.

Generally I imagine a forum to be a place where we can all come and tell of our experiences, both good and bad. Nobody is an expert and things change quickly, we all have different tastes and its fun to read what other people have tried. It's all about positive sharing and not really intended for negative comments.

I can go into a bar today and have an awesome time and another guy could go in tomorow and have a crap time. That's all in the luck of the game which all of us on this forum play and that's what makes it so damn exciting.

It took me ages to get a regular but now I have two and both are pretty cool about it as well![/QUOTE]

I guess that is one of the things about Saigon - if you have the time you can build a relationship with the gals whether you got them originally in a bar or elsewhere.

There has been a tendency for the Editors to suggest that a report go to R of D more as a form of encouragement than because the report was informative.

I am assuming that you did not quote places and addresses in your report because the gals came from private encounters and for me that is prefectly reasonable.

I have regulars that range from Antique shop proprietors, to hairdressers, to office gals and to ex bargirls and the details are not going to help anybody else so why quote them?

[QUOTE=Viet1]Hi guys,

Just a point on the comments made about items going to the Reports of Distinction thread...[/QUOTE]I can see what you mean... tho... Me personally, tend to be a stickler for sharing info. Actually what bugged me most was that the post got flagged as 'report of distinction'.

Sudsoz guessed your encounters were, like his, in 'private encounters' -- I think that's not a good guess because you mentioned that your girl had a mamasan.

Anyway, it still would be good to share details as to where you met the girl(s). We do. Share and share alike. I mean, feel free to talk about what you like, it has nothing to do with that. But looking at your post, it comes across to me at least as if you're deliberately avoiding mentioning the specific place. Sharing is cool, concealing is not cool. My 2 cents at least.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Sudsoz guessed your encounters were, like his, in 'private encounters' -- I think that's not a good guess because you mentioned that your girl had a mamasan.

Anyway, it still would be good to share details as to where you met the girl(s). We do. Share and share alike. I mean, feel free to talk about what you like, it has nothing to do with that. But looking at your post, it comes across to me at least as if you're deliberately avoiding mentioning the specific place. Sharing is cool, concealing is not cool. My 2 cents at least.[/QUOTE]I missed the comment about a mamasan in the first post. I agree with Wendella in that if there is a mamasan involved it is a commercial deal and there is no reason to not disclose details.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]
...
I have regulars that range from Antique shop proprietors, to hairdressers, to office gals and to ex bargirls and the details are not going to help anybody else so why quote them?[/QUOTE]The details might help others, why not?

I think you want to keep them to yourself, dont you? I perfectly understand that. Why should you?

But I agree with Wendella 110%.

Good hunting, as the guy @Kim Ma in Hanoi thread says

[QUOTE=Need More Gas]the details might help others, why not?
I think you want to keep them to yourself, dont you? I perfectly understand that. Why should you?

But I agree with Wendella 110%.

Good hunting, as the guy @Kim Ma in Hanoi thread says[/QUOTE]Gas, just to clarify, in case you misunderstood -- it wasn't Sudsoz's post I was saying that about, but Viet1's earlier report where he didn't mention any specifics about where he went. Actually it's even possible that I read more into what Viet1 wrote than what he intended. Anyway, Sudsoz often shares plenty of detail here about places to go and what to expect. If he meets some girl in an antique store, well, that's not like these girls in the Hai Ba Trung bars in any way.

This one seems to be taking on a life of its own... how about let's switch topic to something going on now.

Anyone been in Bin Bin on Le Thanh Ton lately? There and 91 on HBT seem to be tops in the number of girls and quality these days, from what I can see. It seems to be the done thing now at Bin Bin at least to go up stairs to a semi-private room, sit at one of those low tables. We're all turning Japanese, I really think so.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

Anyone been in Bin Bin on Le Thanh Ton lately? There and 91 on HBT seem to be tops in the number of girls and quality these days, from what I can see. It seems to be the done thing now at Bin Bin at least to go up stairs to a semi-private room, sit at one of those low tables. We're all turning Japanese, I really think so.[/QUOTE]Not sure of the name but there is a bar on the corner of a lane towards the north end of Le Thanh Ton. Small bar with more private areas upstairs. There is a gal called Hoa working there now with a couple of others who also used to work out of NY Saigon. Skinny with a nice smile and tight *****.

Hoa went back to Dong Nai for a while and I think she still has a coffee shop there with her family. She used to come down to town 'on call' but when she went to this joint on Le Thanh Ton it all got a bit commercial and I have not seen her for a while.

My ventures to Le Thanh Ton tend to involve too much scotch and a stop at Smileys on the way back to Zone Central.

I think Sudoz you are talking about 'The little bar', which is aptly named. Went with friends about a month ago and the room downstairs is about as big as my kitchen. About 8 girls [a range of lookers] who were not pushy at all and the mamasan then, was very nice. Definitely upstairs action .one guy came down when we were there,paid and left.

Well there are 2 such bars on the 2 opposite corners of that same alley: one's called Quan Nho which means "Little Place" or sth like that -- and it's TINY, and the other is a bar that would also qualify as small, called Bin Bin. It's definitely bigger than the very narrow Quan Nho, and both have seating upstairs. Bin Bin is next door to Insomnia bar.

Well, after reading all about those bars on HBT, I think you guy are paying far more than Vietnamese guy. After trying many many times to get in to see what's really going on behind the closed doors, but got knocked back or refuse entrance, with the excuse being "all table are booked" from the guy at the front. F*** me, the real reason is because I'm a Viet guy. I finally get in once with the help of my friends (foreigner of course).

We did get in there after pub crawl from Cantina- Temple. Mo Jo. Cafe Latin. Most of the chicks just exactly as you guy have describe. I just enjoy it for my experience, and I think it's just half as good of what we, as a Viet guy could get.

Next time, you guy should try the street call Nguyen Phi Khanh, one way street begin from Dinh Tien Hoang. Vo Thi Sau intersection. It's "haircut" heaven!

So what kind of services we get in there? BBBJ!

Ticket cost VND 70K (used to be 60K) for 1 hour!

Tips: same as ticket! But as you all might aware, they will certainly nag you for more in USD. But please, don't pay more than what you should or they will turn nasty with Viet guy. They will accept it if you can show them that you know it well.

One more thing, they only work until 10: 30pm, so after that is depend on your communication to get what you want. I haven't tried it but they all want to give their phone number for "further business". My guess is VND 500K. 800K/nite.

Good luck guys.

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Hiya,

Am living in hcmc for 3 months, have a 4hr gap during 12-4pm before work, whats the best place to pickup girls. Looking for cute girls early twenties max for ST, $100 max but have to be 8/9.

Cheers,

PP

[QUOTE=Viet1]Hi guys,
Generally I imagine a forum to be a place where we can all come and tell of our experiences, both good and bad. Nobody is an expert and things change quickly, we all have different tastes and its fun to read what other people have tried. It's all about positive sharing and not really intended for negative comments.
[/QUOTE]

Agreed, it's fine to read about experience and thoughts of others, just for someone who plans to visit a destination for the first time, it's aways nice to read some useful infos, like where to stay and where to go.
It's not a critizism of your post, just it's an example what kind of reports are intersting for others and what not. Your report says the performance of good looking girls is often not very good.... Well, this experience made alot of guys, I guess.;-)
Well, I rode now 5 pages of the Saigon thread and I do not know what is a decend girlfriendly Hotel and what is a good Disco with nice freelancer girls.

I guess I will have in march 8 weeks holiday.:-) And I plan a trip to Bangkok. But, from there I would like to make short trips to Saigon and Manila. So, I would like to know what is a central gf Hotel in the range of 30 - 60 Dollar and where to find nice good looking Freelancer?
What are the best way to travel from BKK to Saigon and than to Manila and with which Airlne?

[QUOTE=DG69]
Well, I rode now 5 pages of the Saigon thread and I do not know what is a decend girlfriendly Hotel and what is a good Disco with nice freelancer girls.

I guess I will have in march 8 weeks holiday.:-) And I plan a trip to Bangkok. But, from there I would like to make short trips to Saigon and Manila. So, I would like to know what is a central gf Hotel in the range of 30 - 60 Dollar and where to find nice good looking Freelancer?
What are the best way to travel from BKK to Saigon and than to Manila and with which Airlne?[/QUOTE]

The Hotels thread has a lot of discussion about hotels - the key issue being that anything with stars is not GF. Advice has been given about small hotels in the Mac Thi Boui, Hai Bai Trung and Thi Sach areas and well as over near Ben Thanh market. These places are very small with rates of about $30. An influx would kill them and any publicity is not good for their other discretionary arrangements.

Two names are A&Em (several properties) and Ho Sen but there are many others.

I don't frequent the discos - I don't appreciate the noise and there are way too many other options with ordinary girls walking around the streets.

Hi guys,

I will arrive tomorrow in HCMC for 2 days. I am looking for fun but during the day, any good recommandation?

Thanks by advance.

The best 2 discos for FL are Gossip and Volcano these days, if thats the type of venue of choice for you. For us westerners. the Hai Ba Trung girlie bars are a good easy to use option, should at least take a look in some of those. Otherwise, the scene is much tougher and smaller than Bangkok. How long will you be in Saigon?

Hey Kodanana, I went down Nguyen Phi Khanh but I wasn't sure which place you meant. Is it near Vau Thi Sau intersection or is it further down at those places which you can drive a mbike into the front of.

Cheers, Nonthab

[QUOTE=Wendella]The best 2 discos for FL are Gossip and Volcano these days, if thats the type of venue of choice for you. For us westerners. the Hai Ba Trung girlie bars are a good easy to use option, should at least take a look in some of those. Otherwise, the scene is much tougher and smaller than Bangkok. How long will you be in Saigon?[/QUOTE]

Thank you guys for the info.
@Wendella, I am not sure how long I will stay. End of February or Begin of March I will have 8 weeks holiday. So, I plan to go to BKK, but of course 8 weeks Thailand would be, too much.
So, I think I will stay 3 weeks in BKK and Pattaya and than go either to Manila, Saigon, Cambodia, Malaysia or Indonesia for 2 weeks and than go back to LOS. At the moment I think one week Saigon and 1 week Manila sounds good, before I head back to BKK. I had once a Vietname gf in Germany and I got the impression that Vietname girls are more pretty than Thais. At least when I judge from what I saw in Europe. The Vietnamese girls look better than the Thais.
But, maybe it's because the Vietnamese girls in Europe are grown up in Europe and the parents are often from the former upper class from Vietname whose flown after the commies conquer the south of Vietname. The Thai chicks are mostly poor Isaan girls whose are from lower class families.

[QUOTE=DG69] End of February or Begin of March I will have 8 weeks holiday. So, I plan to go to BKK, but of course 8 weeks Thailand would be, too much.
So, I think I will stay 3 weeks in BKK and Pattaya and than go either to Manila, Saigon, Cambodia, Malaysia or Indonesia for 2 weeks and than go back to LOS. At the moment I think one week Saigon and 1 week Manila sounds good, before I head back to BKK. [/QUOTE]

We had this discussion before somewhere. The key issue is that the commercial scene is much more vibrant in SIN, BKK, MNL or CGK - but it is that - very commercial. A few weeks ago I was at EDSA in Manilla and was completely turned off by the moronic sameness of 30 skinny little gals in bikinis with a number so that you can call them over.

The big difference in Saigon is that there are many girls in the Centre who want to improve their english and spend some time with a foreigner who treats them nice. So if you have the time then so-called freebies with a genuine GFE can be had. Even the newer bar girls are very natural.

The language always seems to be a barrier to this in BKK and the regular girls in Manila don't seem to be as open minded.

If I had 8 weeks to spend I would use Singapore as a hub where you can first try the various flavours at the Orchard Tower smorgasboard and then move to wherever takes your fancy.

OK. PM me if you make it to Saigon, might be able to hook up. Sudsoz is the maestro of picking up regular girls on the street. I tend to think that approach would take a bit of legwork that maybe you don't have time for, if you're here a week or less -- tho again, Sudsoz is the final authority -- if he says it's do-able, listen to him, not me. For 'instant' girls, the Hai Ba Trung bars, discos, and maybe 'bia oms' are your best bets. The problem with bia oms is that they're best done along with a group, or at least one buddy. Back in the day, a foreigner could expect to be ripped off in these places with the surprise high bill -- but that problem seems to be falling out of fashion finally.

Also, describe better what you're after exactly and maybe we can help more.

District 1 prices are out of control. Date=LateDecember 2008.

A mens harcut with shave can be had for 10, 000 Dong in Districts 10/11 where tourists are not seen. In District 1 USD5 (5*17000) and up for same haircut is the norm. Sugar Cane Drinkis 3000 for locals. Medium bus fare is 3000 dong. Five mens haircuts seems to be the average wage for low level workers in a lot of countries. The maximum menu price is 100, 000 at tourist eateries

A Mini hotel clerk who basically manages the hotel gets 1. 3million Dong per month. A hostess girl gets 1. 2 milliopn per month plus any tips. She also gets free food and accommodation, usually sharing 3 to a room. For this, they work from 6AM to 11PM all days per week, but do get 3 hours off at lunch time. Some property prices are down 40% from last years peak. Prices and inflation went up, but the workers did not see much of an wage increase.

This is why they are reluctant to go out. They have no free hours, and their mongrel employer will fire them if late. None of 'can I have a day off'. Does not rub.

Figure 45000 to 50000 dong for a full days work.

I was taken to a massage place in District 10 off 3rd February Street by a local. , that only locals go to. Trying to get address, but roadworks killed my second sortie. Entrance ticket 50, 000, and HJ tips average 25, 000-35, 000. And they are very happy with this amount. I ruined things as girls held out for 200, 000 because I was a foreigner. Claimed 100K for massage and 100K for junior, but openly said 1 million would give ST. No deal.

Anyway, locals get ST off semi-pros (older, 28 up) for 200, 000 Full service! So massage places are off the menu for now. These girls only work to 3pm'ish. And an introduction off a native.

So next time as a massage joint be hard and firm, and in increments of 10, 000, as 50, 000 is a days wages. If manipulative B***** then tell the front counter on exit she tried to cut your throat, which is the corrrect translation for ripped off and overcharging. Drafting an Employee Evaluation form, so the message gets out. We are not walking ATM's.

The other tip is to get a girl friendly mini hotel in district 1. There are 2 levels of girl friendly, and I don't think the higher level can be got without a local doing the introduction. There is a reason. Street gals will pinch anything not nailed down.

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[QUOTE=Wendella]OK. PM me if you make it to Saigon, might be able to hook up. Sudsoz is the maestro of picking up regular girls on the street. I tend to think that approach would take a bit of legwork that maybe you don't have time for, if you're here a week or less -- tho again, Sudsoz is the final authority -- if he says it's do-able, listen to him, not me. For 'instant' girls, the Hai Ba Trung bars, discos, and maybe 'bia oms' are your best bets. The problem with bia oms is that they're best done along with a group, or at least one buddy. Back in the day, a foreigner could expect to be ripped off in these places with the surprise high bill -- but that problem seems to be falling out of fashion finally.

Also, describe better what you're after exactly and maybe we can help more.[/QUOTE]

Wendalla is right - the shop girls can take a bit of time but that's part of the fun. And remember that men are capable of multitasking - that means that you can take a shop girl to dinner and if that does not work out you can then go get something from the bars.

I just got back into town last night and dropped into Bar29 for an after dinner scotch and was immediately grabbed by Mai who is a girl that I knew several months back and lost her number. She worked in Bar29 before and quit after a week. She now says that she has been back there now for a week.

Between her and the mama I coughed up VND1.2m for the night and it was well worth it!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Wendalla is right - the shop girls can take a bit of time but that's part of the fun. And remember that men are capable of multitasking - that means that you can take a shop girl to dinner and if that does not work out you can then go get something from the bars.

I just got back into town last night and dropped into Bar29 for an after dinner scotch and was immediately grabbed by Mai who is a girl that I knew several months back and lost her number. She worked in Bar29 before and quit after a week. She now says that she has been back there now for a week.

Between her and the mama I coughed up VND1.2m for the night and it was well worth it![/QUOTE]

I know Wendella from the Thailand Forum, as a guy who do not exaggerate, so I trust his advice. Well, of course I appreciate easy available sex with bar girls, but also I like to interact with regular girls. I made the experience from previous Indonesia trips, that a regular romance with a so called "good girl" give better memories after the trip than the easy available sex with the so called "hunting girl".
If boths is possible, even better. Will say daytime romance with "normal girl" like sightseeing, dinner, cinema and night fun with a FL from a Disco or bar, would be fine.
Also, I would appreciate to meet saigon veterans, to avoid mistakes and rip offs. So, for sure I will pm you when I know more about exact dates of my journey.
To come back to my Indonesian experience. The Indo girls were very nice and very keen to have a western boyfriend, but virginity is a must for them until marriage. So, the real "good girl" are fun to be with, but sex is not easy to have with them. Also, it would ruin there future perspective to find an Indo husband.

[QUOTE=DG69]
Also, I would appreciate to meet saigon veterans, to avoid mistakes and rip offs. So, for sure I will pm you when I know more about exact dates of my journey.
[/QUOTE]

Get yourself a SIM card when you get here -- they cost next to nothing these days here. Yes, do PM a bit before coming, we'll take it from there.

Rumor flying around that some Eastern Europeans are working in the Fam n Lao area. Anyone knows?
As an expat working here, every now and then, I crave big turkey breast and drumsticks after having so many little quails

NPK, DBP and DBL is the place for haircut. I don't go to District 7 cause its far away.

1. Chose Girl at the front

2. Get Normal massage till BJ room is vacant.

3. Be Happy.

4. Get Normal massage again until your time come, around 1 hour.

5. Pay 80,000VND at the front for haircut that you never had.

6. Tip to the girl. 200,000VND to 300,000VND is good enough for gaijin.

I always pay 300,000VND for their professional and erotic BJ skill and CIM.

I'm 33 years old Japanese, living in vietnam for almost 6 years and I must say don't go to "Massage Parlors", go to "Haircut".

If you get used to haircut in Vietnam then "Smoke a joint before haircut".

I love my japanese girlfriend so its once a month adventure for me...

[QUOTE=Samurai Life]NPK, DBP and DBL is the place for haircut. I don't go to District 7 cause its far away.

[/QUOTE]

I guess that DBP is Dien Bien Phu. Is this south of the bridge and therefore near to NPK which I guess is Nguyen Phi Khanh?

[QUOTE=Samurai Life]NPK, DBP and DBL is the place for haircut. I don't go to District 7 cause its far away...[/QUOTE]Hi Samurai,

Care to provide a better direction for this locality?

After reading ur posting, now veri itchy to venture there.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I guess that DBP is Dien Bien Phu. Is this south of the bridge and therefore near to NPK which I guess is Nguyen Phi Khanh?[/QUOTE]

What's DBL?

[QUOTE=Wendella]What's DBL?[/QUOTE]

I figure that DBL is Dinh Bo Linh which is quite a way out.

Hope the Senior forumers (like Wendella and Sudsoz) can advise where the best places to party in HCMC during the New Year Eve. Based on your years of experience here.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I figure that DBL is Dinh Bo Linh which is quite a way out.[/QUOTE]

District? Or outside the city? Never heard of it

[QUOTE=Wendella]District? Or outside the city? Never heard of it[/QUOTE]

My map has it over in Binh Thanh running parallel to Xo Viet Nghe Tinh near the big roundabout.

Just completed my first night in Saigon. Did a lot of research, studied prices, and I've found things more expensive. Trying to get these girls to come down on their prices to foreigners has been tougher than expected. Went to HBT. The bars want $25 bar fine to bring the girl back to your hotel. Then the girls were asking me for $60 in addition. I said no, and they wouldn't bargain. Maybe next time I'll see if I can get them down.

Ended up with a motorscooter driver helping me. Introduced my to a girl. No very enthusiastic, but let me bring her upstairs and pound her. 500, 000 to her and 100, 000 to the driver. I told him I'd give him that if he got me good girl. Bad deal. I could have gotten cheaper I'm sure, and she was a bit standoffi-ish. Still let me do my thing, but no enthusiasm. Any suggestions how to get prices down, or bargaining tips? I'm here for 2 more days.

Hello,

First I would love to thank all senior members in this forum for their contributions. I would be reaching HCM on the 8th of this month with another buddy. Whoever wants to catch up please PM ME.

Now. I would need info on a few things. My uncle recommended this hotel called THAI THIEN 2 HOTEL. Its at 142, Bui Thi Xuan. Q1 Thanh pho HCM. Is this a good hotel? Is it gf friendly? What is the rate like? Is it near all food stalls and action?

Now. I'm a Malaysian. I have asked so many money changers over here 1 million dongs are from the region of Ringgit Malaysia 225. 245. Its clearly quite cut throat. As the exchange rate is suppose to be below 200. Maximum I would give is RM215. Any where I could get good rates when I reach HCM or should I just change and get 1 mill Viet in Malaysia before heading to HCM to change more?

Please advise. Thank you so much. I would post up some of my experiences when I am back.

Sfini

500 is standard. Everything else you mentioned is very much standard unless you can speak Vmese and look like Dat Phan. Some of the higher end clubs, girls are asking up to 300 Franklins. That is VN my friend

See my post in the bar section.

I was sitting in the bar with the attitude, that it works out in the way that I want it or I go home without the girl.

And it worked. But there is never a guarantee for anyting in life.

Regards,

Frimu

[QUOTE=Sfinil]Just completed my first night in Saigon. Did a lot of research, studied prices, and I've found things more expensive. Trying to get these girls to come down on their prices to foreigners has been tougher than expected. Went to HBT. The bars want $25 bar fine to bring the girl back to your hotel. Then the girls were asking me for $60 in addition. I said no, and they wouldn't bargain. Maybe next time I'll see if I can get them down.

Ended up with a motorscooter driver helping me. Introduced my to a girl. No very enthusiastic, but let me bring her upstairs and pound her. 500, 000 to her and 100, 000 to the driver. I told him I'd give him that if he got me good girl. Bad deal. I could have gotten cheaper I'm sure, and she was a bit standoffi-ish. Still let me do my thing, but no enthusiasm. Any suggestions how to get prices down, or bargaining tips? I'm here for 2 more days.[/QUOTE]

Had a recent trip to Vietnam. One thing that I noticed was meeting non working girls if you have a few weeks there is a real possibility. Whilst I did not do the deed with any as I was sort of pre booked myself with other opportunities, I had some nice conversations and the young vietnamese girls you might run into day to day seem quite keen to practise their English on you and find out more about the outside world.

As far as more immediate action, I did checkout HBT area once, I think no 51 from memory? I went in early like 7pm so was the only punter there but seemed as though at least a dozen girls there. In terms of price, I am normally a LT man but like most girls they try to steer you to ST so they can make more money, especially when it is 7pm. I think she started at 100usd for a coulple of hours. I said no and made it pretty clear I just wanted a look tonight and a couple of drinks coz I was tired unless she could do 50 or something. We were playing pool and we had the bet where she would get naked if I won or otherwise I owed her $10. I am a good player and won (she was good aswell though, lots of practise? ). So had a quick feel of the goods. Anyway as I made it right downstairs and virtually out the door she said $50 was ok, as long as I got her back around 10ish so she could try for another customer. So she was happy to stay a good 3 hours or so and did a great job. Sorry I can not remember name, I am just hopefully giving some info and prices and negotiations and so fourth. Hopefully I can provide some more informative posts this year - my new years resolution maybe.. but she was quite attractive and 22 y o.

I also went to Apocolypse now club a few times. Starting to question whether I do LT anymore. I never pay all the amount up front, make it clear to them it is LT and the amounts they get at start and in morning. But finding after the first session they will just whinge and whinge about they can not sleep, am hungry, need to see their friend or whatever. Just being greedy trying to get some money and head back to the club and try get another client. Not happening all the time but too much for my liking. Anyway I would say that you should certainly not have to pay more than 1 mill VND for a few hours. Choice here is limited though.

I did meet a more GFE type here who I spent a few nights with and clicked with. Took her to Nah Trang for a week. She was 24 y o very nice body but small breasts. She was happy with 40 usd a day and I was to pay her. I made it clear to not beg for presents or other scams and she kept her word.

Also if anyone wants a couple of GF hotel options then PM me. Hope some of this helps.

Oh just remembering about some of the hair shops/salons in HCM. The girls there are very pretty and I really enjoyed the whole facial/massages/shampoo etc. I didn't get a HJ or anything sexual as the salon did not seem too private for this, likewise didn't ask for their phone numbers as I had my girl staying with me these days anyway. But just purely for the standard salon treatment alone, well worth a visit. Great way to shake off any jet lag!

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]My map has it over in Binh Thanh running parallel to Xo Viet Nghe Tinh near the big roundabout.[/QUOTE]That's correct mate. Those area is full of "Hair Cut" ( Vietnamese: HỚT TÓC MÁY LẠNH). When you see one of those signs, look through the door (glass) and if you see ONLY girls in there, that's the place. Also, you can look by motobikes being place back in (Viet man always try to hide the number plate).

Ticket 70K,

Tips (BBBJ, CIM) 100K for me, they will charge you guy more (because they think foreigner are rich)

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader]Had a recent trip to Vietnam. One thing that I noticed was meeting non working girls if you have a few weeks there is a real possibility. Whilst I did not do the deed with any as I was sort of pre booked myself with other opportunities, I had some nice conversations and the young vietnamese girls you might run into day to day seem quite keen to practise their English on you and find out more about the outside world.

As far as more immediate action, I did checkout HBT area once, I think no 51 from memory? I went in early like 7pm so was the only punter there but seemed as though at least a dozen girls there. In terms of price, I am normally a LT man but like most girls they try to steer you to ST so they can make more money, especially when it is 7pm. I think she started at 100usd for a coulple of hours. I said no and made it pretty clear I just wanted a look tonight and a couple of drinks coz I was tired unless she could do 50 or something. We were playing pool and we had the bet where she would get naked if I won or otherwise I owed her $10. I am a good player and won (she was good aswell though, lots of practise? ). So had a quick feel of the goods. Anyway as I made it right downstairs and virtually out the door she said $50 was ok, as long as I got her back around 10ish so she could try for another customer. So she was happy to stay a good 3 hours or so and did a great job. Sorry I can not remember name, I am just hopefully giving some info and prices and negotiations and so fourth. Hopefully I can provide some more informative posts this year - my new years resolution maybe.. but she was quite attractive and 22 y o.

I also went to Apocolypse now club a few times. Starting to question whether I do LT anymore. I never pay all the amount up front, make it clear to them it is LT and the amounts they get at start and in morning. But finding after the first session they will just whinge and whinge about they can not sleep, am hungry, need to see their friend or whatever. Just being greedy trying to get some money and head back to the club and try get another client. Not happening all the time but too much for my liking. Anyway I would say that you should certainly not have to pay more than 1 mill VND for a few hours. Choice here is limited though.

I did meet a more GFE type here who I spent a few nights with and clicked with. Took her to Nah Trang for a week. She was 24 y o very nice body but small breasts. She was happy with 40 usd a day and I was to pay her. I made it clear to not beg for presents or other scams and she kept her word.

Also if anyone wants a couple of GF hotel options then PM me. Hope some of this helps.

Oh just remembering about some of the hair shops/salons in HCM. The girls there are very pretty and I really enjoyed the whole facial/massages/shampoo etc. I didn't get a HJ or anything sexual as the salon did not seem too private for this, likewise didn't ask for their phone numbers as I had my girl staying with me these days anyway. But just purely for the standard salon treatment alone, well worth a visit. Great way to shake off any jet lag![/QUOTE]

A few comments.

The girls who you meet in the street or wherever who want to cultivate their english are well worth cultivating. The problem that develops is a management issue as they all want to be your girlfriend!

I would question the idea of paying a gal $40 a day to go somewhere out of town. I would think that many of the ordinary gals you met would accept such an invitation for no payment - just the comfort and a few small gifts along the way. I keep a stock of the duty free miniature perfumes for this purpose.

And the shampoo/facial ladies are another great source for ladies who want to have a good time for a few days or longer. Phone numbers are easy to get.

As you will be aware the GF hotels are small and easily overloaded or exposed to police so please be discrete with the details. There is enough information in the forum for guys to figure it out.

Anyway I have put a link to your report in the R of D because it has some real information.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]A few comments.

I would question the idea of paying a gal $40 a day to go somewhere out of town. I would think that many of the ordinary gals you met would accept such an invitation for no payment - just the comfort and a few small gifts along the way. I keep a stock of the duty free miniature perfumes for this purpose.

QUOTE]

What you said was correct. The girl I think would have gone anyway. The payment was my suggestion. I made the suggestion for a couple of reasons. Firstly I just felt like a week where I did not want to be bothered by a girl hinting at all the gifts she should get, I had planned on doing a lot of shopping myself so wanted a clear arrangement where she wouldn't annoy me with such requests. Secondly this one was a working girl from a bar, I wasn't in the mood for her to get too boyfriend/girlfriend on me, so thought a bit of cash might keep things more business like for now.

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hello,


Now. I would need info on a few things. My uncle recommended this hotel called THAI THIEN 2 HOTEL. Its at 142, Bui Thi Xuan. Q1 Thanh pho HCM. Is this a good hotel? Is it gf friendly? What is the rate like? Is it near all food stalls and action?

Now. I'm a Malaysian. [/QUOTE]I am a Malaysian too, share a few points with you. That hotel should be a girl friendly. I am not completely sure but judge by it's location it's one of those small hotels which are mostly girl friendly, or maybe one hundred thousand VND may solve the problem. Food stalls are everywhere in HCMC, especially Q1, don't worry about it. As for action, this Bui Thi Xuan is famous for hair saloon, but unfortunately no extra although there are girls that are young, pretty and sexy. If you may meet some girl who may communicate with you, most probably you will get her phone number, most probably she will agree to have a dinner or coffee with you. What happen after that is up to you.

Don't bring Ringgit come to Vietnam, and don't change VND outside of Vietnam. Best option is to bring USD, or surprisely, SGD is also a good option.

Enjoy your stay, and good luck.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]My map has it over in Binh Thanh running parallel to Xo Viet Nghe Tinh near the big roundabout. [/QUOTE]It is correct, The roundabout is cross by DBP and Xo Viet Nghe Tinh. Continue Xo Viet Nghe Tinh towards Binh Duong's direction you will find DBL parellel at the left side of the road. Xo Viet Nghe Tinh becomes oneway road after the roundabout.

Tips, there are a lot of these kinds of Haircut shop around this area, not limited to DBL. Any place you see girls with sexy dresses lying inside an empty shop, that's it.

Local may pay 50k tips, foreigner pays about 100k. This is the amount that will make the girls happy. But of course, if you come often, 200k or 300k DOES boost up the service level.

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hello,

First I would love to thank all senior members in this forum for their contributions. I would be reaching HCM on the 8th of this month with another buddy. Whoever wants to catch up please PM ME.

Now. I would need info on a few things. My uncle recommended this hotel called THAI THIEN 2 HOTEL. Its at 142, Bui Thi Xuan. Q1 Thanh pho HCM. Is this a good hotel? Is it gf friendly? What is the rate like? Is it near all food stalls and action?

Now. I'm a Malaysian. I have asked so many money changers over here 1 million dongs are from the region of Ringgit Malaysia 225. 245. Its clearly quite cut throat. As the exchange rate is suppose to be below 200. Maximum I would give is RM215. Any where I could get good rates when I reach HCM or should I just change and get 1 mill Viet in Malaysia before heading to HCM to change more?

Please advise. Thank you so much. I would post up some of my experiences when I am back.[/QUOTE]The hotel is not too bad though a bit out of the way. Try a newer hotel which a friend of mine stayed in recently called Haong Hai Long Hotel in Phan Hong Thai Street. You can also try Ha Hien Hotel in Ly Tu Trong which is definitely girl friendly. Do a gooogle search for hotels and you can find many. Le Thanh Ton Street has a lot of hotels which are reasonably priced too and convenient for food and shopping.

For currency is best to change to USD and then change it here. Lots of money changes along Le Loi in Eden Mall which gives pretty good rates. Money changes in KL do not stock much VND and the rates are not good.

The forum has many suggestions for places for you to cheong. So I won't say much about that. Hahahah! Enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hello,

First I would love to thank all senior members in this forum for their contributions. I would be reaching HCM on the 8th of this month with another buddy. Whoever wants to catch up please PM ME.

Now. I would need info on a few things. My uncle recommended this hotel called THAI THIEN 2 HOTEL. Its at 142, Bui Thi Xuan. Q1 Thanh pho HCM. Is this a good hotel? Is it gf friendly? What is the rate like? Is it near all food stalls and action?

Now. I'm a Malaysian. I have asked so many money changers over here 1 million dongs are from the region of Ringgit Malaysia 225. 245. Its clearly quite cut throat. As the exchange rate is suppose to be below 200. Maximum I would give is RM215. Any where I could get good rates when I reach HCM or should I just change and get 1 mill Viet in Malaysia before heading to HCM to change more?

Please advise. Thank you so much. I would post up some of my experiences when I am back.[/QUOTE]The hotel is not too bad though a bit out of the way. Try a newer hotel which a friend of mine stayed in recently called Hoang Hai Long Hotel in Pham Hong Thai Street. You can also try Ha Hien Hotel in Ly Tu Trong Street which is definitely girl friendly. Do a gooogle search for hotels and you can find many. Le Thanh Ton Street has a lot of hotels which are reasonably priced too and convenient for food and shopping.

For currency is best to change to USD and then change it here. Lots of money changers along Le Loi in Eden Mall which gives pretty good rates. Money changers in KL do not stock much VND and the rates are not good.

The forum has many suggestions for places for you to cheong.. so i won't say much about that... hahahah!! Enjoy yourself.

This forum is getting stale - people are not posting their finds.

Stay in district 1 and you wlll be ripped off. Previously I mentioned street propositions of $30, but settling for 300K ST. Work in clubs and discos, and pay a multiple of this - for starfish performances.

Hint Take a bus and get out and explore. They are airconditioned too.Until you know better, explore in daytime, and head back before 6pm, when services are trimmed. buses come as often as 5 minutes, to 30 minutes, but less than 15 is most likely. just cross the road to come back. The stops all have big blue signs with bus numbers on them. Easy. Buses do a loop back to BT - so you wont get too far wrong.

So go to Ben Thran Markets and get on bus #26 to see the town. Bus 26 also goes to hot toc alley -20-30 mins away - and you see shops with girls doing nothing - bingo.
You may even, if attentive find massage palaces and something to do with VIP something. Get on and off the bus whenever you see a hint of something interesting, it is only 3000dong or 19 cents. If you make a mistake - another 19 cents - big deal.

If lost duck into a coffee shop, or you may be approached by a stranger.
But steer clear of dark, gloomy cave like entrances, as karaoke style joints are just robbers.

I can report that getting back from Hot Toc central after 6pm is not easy, and then requires 2 transfers. However 130,000 taxi fare from D1 will also get you there. With such a big fare, the taxi driver may even assist you finding something.

While on the bus, sometimes you can be approached, or some opportunistic gals may get out where you get out to 'help' in case you were lost.

So spy out your targets in daytime, and come back at nighttime - the best hunting is not in D1, As you stand out - they will come to you.

Get out on a bus and explore.

Bus #2 is another good one for a tour.

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Hello,

Thank you for all your kind help. I would change to US dollars and bring to Viet. Well. 1 last stupid question. From the airport to where all the action is, do you guys take a taxi or you just use busses?

If taxi how much would it cost to the city lets say district 1? Another thing is talking about moto girls. Isn't that dangerous where the moto girl could be working with the moto guy and the police with that scam? Advise on moto girl hehe

Thank you once again. I would report my experience and my friends experience as well

Regards

Smartbuy

I'm not certain that exploring the outer perimeter of district 1 is a good idea. Great if you are starting a new job and want to explore the city, or you are one of those really adventurous pack-backers, otherwise, stay in the central area.
There is no centralized entertainment hub outside of D1. If you hop on a bus and don't have an address, you'll be wondering around forever. Everywhere else in saigon looks the same, shops after shops located on busy avenues. Worse if you look foreign and don't speak a word of Vietnamese, for English proficiencies decrease outside of the tourist areas.
Sure, you'll be overcharged for everything in D1, but this is the price you pay for the conveniences. Added to that, you are on vacation in a cheap country, why waste your time to save a couple of bucks?
Another thing for guys who are thinking of picking a non-pro from the street or shops to get some free actions, first, it is really never free and i don't need to explain. Second, the chances of you ever scoring one is very remote and if you got one, she is usually what the locals called a "paratrooper," jumped in occasionally to get expensive gifts and foods then get out. Third, it wastes so much of your time.
My general advice is: never come to Vietnam just for this hobby because it it very frustrating. Do what most of the guys on this board do. Don't think too much and just have fun.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]Smartbuy

...Another thing for guys who are thinking of picking a non-pro from the street or shops to get some free actions, first, it is really never free and i don't need to explain. Second, the chances of you ever scoring one is very remote and if you got one, she is usually what the locals called a "paratrooper," jumped in occasionally to get expensive gifts and foods then get out. Third, it wastes so much of your time...[/QUOTE]I would have to disagree with you on this point. I know I am a relatively "new" member here at ISG (I dont post much, nor do I spend much time on this site), But I have been traveling to Vietnam for about 5 years now. Yes there is a large majority of women "paratroopers" as you would like to say. But there area also lots of girls in VN who are not like that. Maybe a girl who wants to learn more English and see a flix every now and then. Besides, isn't it nice to have dinner with some friends rather than by yourself?

Let the girl(s) know you are there for travel/business, whatever it is, and you are busy a lot and cannot be with them all the time. Be up front about it and say "hey, look, this is how it is going to be. if you dont like it, no problem" and move on.

I am giving this advice based on previous/current experience. I still have fun mongering, but I also have my "GFs" or whatever you want to call it. The best of both worlds.

Note: It also helps if you can speak just a hint of Vietnamese or are willing to learn. Lastly, its hard to build GFs on 1 week trips. I am usually there for a few months which makes it easy for me.

Hope that helps some of you.

Good idea to bring US $ or the Euro isnt bad either, just depends on what the rates are at the time. All the banks in VN will take the Euro.

From the airport, take a taxi. DO NOT pay for a taxi in advance from one of the workers at the airport. There will be people waiting as you leave baggage claim, just before you exit the airport offering "Discounted taxis". They charge a flat fee of $15 or $20 US, I cant remember anymore to anywhere in D1. However, if you take a can and let the meter run you are looking at $5-8 USD. (80-120k VND).

If you wanted to take a bus, it would be a couple transfers and a bit of a walk to the bus stop. I dont think they pick up at the terminals.

[QUOTE=Exit93]Hello,

Thank you for all your kind help. I would change to US dollars and bring to Viet. Well. 1 last stupid question. From the airport to where all the action is, do you guys take a taxi or you just use busses?

If taxi how much would it cost to the city lets say district 1? Another thing is talking about moto girls. Isn't that dangerous where the moto girl could be working with the moto guy and the police with that scam? Advise on moto girl hehe

Thank you once again. I would report my experience and my friends experience as well

Regards[/QUOTE]

Always

There is a huge difference between someone working here or on business and a traveler, monger. When you are working, you are in a different mode, professional, and you are surrounded by a different class of Vietnamese. You will meet women who are more decent or professional. They will read this mannerism an trust you. Still, picking them cold out of a shop or the street for a date is rare. And when you get one, it will cost you before you get into their pants and they also expect leaving ticket.
A guy who is on vacation doesn't have time for these games. The many friends whom I travel with every year who insist on finding these women are often shunned by his buddies. While we are at bars picking out targets for a couple of hours of fun, they wander around aimlessly trying to find Cinderella.
Funny to mention, I am traveling with one right now and of the 3 weeks that we are together, he got 2 HJ from the massage places and nothing else. I've seen enough of these guys in the Philippines also, who usually go home carrying "blue balls" and feeling very disappointed .
In conclusion, if you are into this kind of a game then you are not really a monger. You are actually looking for a girlfriend and that's totally different. We travel for sex and the most satisfying ones never keep the girls more than two hours.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]

From the airport, take a taxi. DO NOT pay for a taxi in advance from one of the workers at the airport. There will be people waiting as you leave baggage claim, just before you exit the airport offering "Discounted taxis". They charge a flat fee of $15 or $20 US, I cant remember anymore to anywhere in D1. However, if you take a can and let the meter run you are looking at $5-8 USD. (80-120k VND).
[/QUOTE]

Suggest that you ask for Mai Linh or VinaTaxi - definitely not the Saigon Airport (SASCO) taxi company. And go on the meter as AH says.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]Always

There is a huge difference between someone working here or on business and a traveler, monger. When you are working, you are in a different mode, professional, and you are surrounded by a different class of Vietnamese. You will meet women who are more decent or professional. They will read this mannerism an trust you. Still, picking them cold out of a shop or the street for a date is rare. And when you get one, it will cost you before you get into their pants and they also expect leaving ticket.
A guy who is on vacation doesn't have time for these games. The many friends whom I travel with every year who insist on finding these women are often shunned by his buddies. While we are at bars picking out targets for a couple of hours of fun, they wander around aimlessly trying to find Cinderella.
Funny to mention, I am traveling with one right now and of the 3 weeks that we are together, he got 2 HJ from the massage places and nothing else. I've seen enough of these guys in the Philippines also, who usually go home carrying "blue balls" and feeling very disappointed .
In conclusion, if you are into this kind of a game then you are not really a monger. You are actually looking for a girlfriend and that's totally different. We travel for sex and the most satisfying ones never keep the girls more than two hours.[/QUOTE]

Agree and disagree.

Firstly I don't go anywhere unless someone is paying and I go to enough good places that I don't need to go on mongering trips. I am also fortunate to have clients who are playing the same games as me.

Where I differ is that I work on the private connections in Saigon and have had a number who have come across. And you are dead right they are never free and sometimes they can get a bit clingy. But they can give you a different more GFE type of experience.

Now sometimes these things take time and I have often taken a nice girl to dinner and then gone to Smileys, Bar 29 or whatever for takeout afterwards.

Must admit that I pity the guys that you mention as constantly looking for Cinderella - you have to learn to make the most of what is on offer on any particular day.

I'm not certain that exploring the outer perimeter of district 1 is a good idea.

Complete rubbish

What sort of lame tourist can't explore? Secondly D1 is no Patpong, if Allez Booz is "Entertainment" then knock yourself out. Its easier and quicker than finding your airport 'gate' assuming you used the airport yourself. No NEP's in D1! Thirdly, noting ventured nothing gained.

I'm sure that is what the District 1 Mafia, pimps and vested interests would like.

Its like saying don't go downtown or uptown, never use the subway, and never leave or venture out of Manhattan. Mongers explore. Viet pussy, Thai pussy, Cambo pussy, and in the words of Cheech. We got all sorts of pussy. I am reliably informed South Vn has new villas popping up at $15 night, and about the same for all night room service.

I'll admit this and a 1 hour flight down. Where English is uncommon. IS out of my comfort zone for now. Looks all the same. Rubbish. Not until nighttime. Yes, then it is confusing. As for saving a few dollars. Well over a month 30 days by $50 day savings. Well that is a fair whack.

Given 50% of what D1'ers pay is protection money. I'd rather not pay that tax, and don't. If you want to save dollars and hassle, fly to Pattaya straight away. Vn does not want tourist dollars.

When to explore? I don't know about you, but half my day is in recovery mode. I can be drunk, sleeping it off, or being fleeced in some karaoke bar. The only excuse for not getting out is that you are fully doped or shagged out, or you are wheelchair bound, but on Ciallis.

Armed with 2 or more Hotel cards, and a Map, and a wad of emergency US dollars, that's all you need. And a mobile phone with local sim.

An inner Velcro leg pocket will make pickpocketing difficult, and a few different size fish hooks sewn into the decoy wallet is optional. Newspaper, if you are more warm hearted.

There is already a post about sign language and a notepad and a biro to discuss financial things. Taxi's are easy. Mini hotels are also easy. 190, 000 dong a night nearly everywhere.

Packing a 'phrasebook' one of these photocopy bootlegs available everywhere covers bedroom etiquette and chat up situations.

I'm fully confident 1 hour out of ground zero I' old, and can actually read a map, but it won't be long before hand held GPS makes it mark. Midday is safe to take a bus trip, and try getting back before the evening (5pm) traffic buildup. At 6pm, I will be hunting, knowing its just a matter of price. So bro, got 2 hours to spare?

Reasons to explore.

1) Recovery period
2) Gals proffered in D1 are mostly inexperienced, and top dollar still gets duds
3) Photos and bragging rights
4) Less competition
5) Getting and exchanging phone numbers
6) Cost effective
7) Secrets and Bargains for locals only exist outside D1
8) Outer District girls KNOW thay have chances and will seek you out.
9) Language issues? Bulldust. But if its really really promising, seek an internet cafe, or just sign language - offer a free dinner/coffee and let her keep the change out of a 100K donger.
10) Law of percentages say you will land something
11) Hotel doorman/gal od D1 - can be a translator unit - mobile is cheap.
12) Sign language and phrasebook , breaks ice, and can be fun
13) If still unsure or out of your 'zone', import your find back to D1 - taxi fare is chump change
14) There are better lookers outside D1
15) You don't mind that kind of goofing around - you have slack time to burn.
16) Winning unexpected prizes outweighs opportunity cost of nothing.
17) Knowing a dropped 50K here and there to someone needy, is better than money hungry vampires that float about in D1.
18 At 6pm you will be back in D1 anyway.
19) Outer area cyclos or Taxi's know local places the dudes in D1 would dream, about.
20) Phone numbers. The ones that baulk, may pimp their ';friends'
21) Services like these can ONLY get got outside D1.
22) Action: Watch the bus driver plow a path, and yell and scream, while SMS'ing at the same time.

Cutting to the chase, Bus 26 was good. My biggest complaint was BBBJ's, protected sex or covering up almost has to be demanded. They have it in their mouth before you know it.

This is so they can beg another 100K tip for natural smoking. Apparently the technique of in mouth and rolling it on application is not known in Vn. Soooo inexperienced.

Full on sex usually has to wait until the next day/second visit. On arrival point to the phrasebook 'sex today', and if they say 'kong' or signal no, show phrase ' I think I'll go now, and look around', may prompt a new response. Or allow VIP treatment, or get a much higher 'number'. Much more than a normal hairwash. (Could someone please translate " I'll go now and look around until I find exactly what I want" to vn, although sign language for this is pretty easy.

There must be 50 plus Hot Toc's out there, competition is fierce, customers few, and some will practically fight to see who gets the westener.

Downsides:

Make good eye contact, and the the hot toc girls remember you. Try walking past in daylight. They will spot you, or run out and wave, even if you were on the way to establishment #2, where something was imminent. Shame, but catching the bus one stop past, at 3000 dong is one way over this.

2) Busses sometimes only slow down, and not actually stop, so you may need to take a flying leap in and out of the bus. When leaping out, look for motorbikes both sides.

3) Asking Directions. Don't believe. Vn strangers. They will often point you in the wrong/random direction. Even with address card, rather than don't know. Chalking arrows on the ground as you explore is OK. They think you are crazy anyway.

On reflection, maybe it is best if lazy non-explorers with fat wallets don't spoil the undiscovered districts. Districts 3 and 5 also need exploration. At the bus depot, point to a map, and they speak enough English to write it down, and tell you the bus number to catch.

The busses have conductors, and with a slip of paper, will tell you where to get out.. Easy.

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You are a tourist. You get on a bus, wandering around, sight seeing and maybe find an obscure location to get a BBBJ. That's fine. Do you really think that a monger coming from thousands of miles away would get on a bus to look for some lame BBBJ without an address?
You maybe are savvy about traveling and exploring but the common Joes are not. Hell, all that to-do list, there better be a Angelina Jolie waiting for me somewhere.
You cannot compare between exploring a city and hunting for pussies. The latter doesn't have coordinates on a map and sure is plagued with scammers. The outer areas are notorious for what the locals called "block and strip." This happened to local monger I know where the girl made an excuse and stepped out of the room. Three thugs rushed in and stripped everything he had. In this case, you don't have the option of going to the authorities.
Westerners coming from their safe places to a third word country think that their rights apply there and with a touch of the dial, siren and lights appear.
I do not recommend this kind of exploring to any monger, especially when you are alone.

No, I am a monger.

I am also not a shrill, trying to selli the benefits of established D1 business interests.

I'm observing the rules of this forum by not giving specific addresses, so police can't shut them down or get their cut of extortion money.

And give them a headache by giving travelers access to their local.

Plagued by scammers. No D1 is plagued by scammers, and ungrateful ripoff merchants.

I'm just reporting that D1 is like Emerald Shopping Plaza, pitched towards the top end of town and completely overpriced. I discovered greener grass outside D1, available for the price of a bus ticket. I'll leave it to the shoppers to decide if its worth their time to shop further afield.

There are sufficient prior reports that D1 is nothing like it was 2 or 5 years ago. Very much the worse for tourists

Clever mongers do things concurrently, arranging multiple hookups. They manage their time, and work to a plan. "Slack' time in project management speak, means professionally managing as many hookups as possible with the given resources.

Vn's 'problem' is it is outrageously difficult to get a true overnight long timer or dink/monger after midnight for traditional closing time bargains. Which means we get some actual sleep, which in turn means new work/activity has to be scheduled for daylight hours.

Many of us use vn as a base and bus/fly it to Siam Riep too, which takes some planning.

Fat slobs just get drink in overpriced D1 bars.devoid of Thai table dancing, trying to chase some of the very cool waitresses. Only get 'lucky' when they start dropping USD 100 notes. Ok for suited businessmen, Japanese and Oil money. , or incredibly short on time. Thats not mongering, when you pay that much. That's prostitution!

Nameless district: Only because I don't want to turn the heat on the area, but other posts describe it with street names. Very obvious from a bus window. Barber shops staffed by 3 or so lovelies, maybe one in hotpants and no customers in sight. You would be blind not to notice all 10 or more all women toc tocs in close proximity.

Lame BBBJ: No. Soooo much more. With a mobile phone and a pad, you get numbers, and that leads to other things and hookups. As they pimp their sisters and friends. For sure.

Dangers: Imaginary in broad daylight, if properly risk managed. I walked everywhere at night, in outer districts within reason, no probs. Everyone knows everyone, so strangers stand out.

Locals can and do snitch to the police, meaning your takeaway must be brought back to D1.

Block and Strip. Unlikely for High Visibility Hot Toc's. I think you may be referring to following an unknown girl to obscure back alley mini hotel or residence after dark. Different altogether. Karokes do this too.

Block & Strip activityies are also present in D1. And in cave like Karokes. According to respectable posts, stay well clear of ALL Karokes. They are dangerous. Many a tourst has also received a hiding in D1, when outrageously high 'tabs' are presented at the end of the session.

We are going in an established shopfront, facing the main street, next to other shops, not some nameless back alley hotel. And in broad daylight. Think fixed address. It's just not worth rolling a client unless he is seen flashing and carrying an obscenely unsafe amount of money around, and has foolishly told when he is going home.

I have a small pocketbook filled with choice phrases written by a local, and have learnt a dozen or so phrases, so they would be aware of possible consequences/ retribution, and that you have a friend/contacts. Quicky they get straight back to business as normal, while they silently work out if you can be stung for 50-200% more than the local price.

The major risk, as described by many post in this forums, is 1) Overcharging, 2. Shortchanging 3) pickpocketing, and 4) Foolishy arranging date in location girl has chosen.

Vietnamese are clever, and stick to 1 and 2, for fear of attacting the police and the party, who always want a cut of the action.

Pickpocketing, uncommon. But listed moreso in Cambodian ISG posts, or money disappearing out of 'locked' lockers. Knowing how much you have on you, Marked notes, movement sensors, make this risky. I find pickpocteting is reserved to mostly to stupid people, who look like marks. Not wise to try on Italians, Eastern Europeans or somebody over six foot tall.

Precautions on where and how to conduct operations are well documented in previous posts, including drugs and spiked drinks, and getting out your comfort zone when you smell a rat.

As for Alone, YMMV. I checked the place out in daylight. If you go back at night, then yeah, taking a friend is good advice, or tipping the taxi driver 150, 000 dong so he can wait / partake as well.

I was completely comfortable and felt safe exploring the outer districts. Sticking to wide streets and while buses were still operating, even alone.

I stayed in a 'outer' area for several nights. After a day, The locals knew of me, the local food hawkers, breakfast place, the drink hawkers, the suga cane crusher (3000 dong). And the coffee shop girls. I felt particularly safe, even at night. Within striking distance of my hotel. Locals always back locals, and self police the area.

It would take me a bit to describe the situation, but lets say is better to head back to D1 before 8-9pm, before the pedestrians thin out. I think the real risk is not finding a taxi thats willing to go by the meter at this hour.

This should suit most mongers, as plenty of USD $30 FS ST offers in District 1 at this time (beatable down to 300, 000 dong. Making clear it is for 1 hour or more). Make it clear your minihotel is fully GF and close by. They will ask for more after the session, but only tip another 50K or so, or nothing if they played starfish and lacked GFE skills. Locals get 2 hours for that rate. It helps to swap phone numbers, and tell them you will have them again if they are good.

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[QUOTE=Smartbuy]No, I am a monger.

I am also not a shrill, trying to selli the benefits of established D1 business interests.

I'm observing the rules of this forum by not giving specific addresses, so police can't shut them down or get their cut of extortion money.

And give them a headache by giving travelers access to their local.

Plagued by scammers. No D1 is plagued by scammers, and ungrateful ripoff merchants.

I'm just reporting that D1 is like Emerald Shopping Plaza, pitched towards the top end of town and completely overpriced. I discovered greener grass outside D1, available for the price of a bus ticket. I'll leave it to the shoppers to decide if its worth their time to shop further afield.

There are sufficient prior reports that D1 is nothing like it was 2 or 5 years ago. Very much the worse for tourists

Clever mongers do things concurrently, arranging multiple hookups. They manage their time, and work to a plan. "Slack' time in project management speak, means professionally managing as many hookups as possible with the given resources.

Vn's 'problem' is it is outrageously difficult to get a true overnight long timer or dink/monger after midnight for traditional closing time bargains. Which means we get some actual sleep, which in turn means new work/activity has to be scheduled for daylight hours.

Many of us use vn as a base and bus/fly it to Siam Riep too, which takes some planning.

Fat slobs just get drink in overpriced D1 bars.devoid of Thai table dancing, trying to chase some of the very cool waitresses. Only get 'lucky' when they start dropping USD 100 notes. Ok for suited businessmen, Japanese and Oil money. , or incredibly short on time. Thats not mongering, when you pay that much. That's prostitution!

Nameless district: Only because I don't want to turn the heat on the area, but other posts describe it with street names. Very obvious from a bus window. Barber shops staffed by 3 or so lovelies, maybe one in hotpants and no customers in sight. You would be blind not to notice all 10 or more all women toc tocs in close proximity.

Lame BBBJ: No. Soooo much more. With a mobile phone and a pad, you get numbers, and that leads to other things and hookups. As they pimp their sisters and friends. For sure.

Dangers: Imaginary in broad daylight, if properly risk managed. I walked everywhere at night, in outer districts within reason, no probs. Everyone knows everyone, so strangers stand out.

Locals can and do snitch to the police, meaning your takeaway must be brought back to D1.

Block and Strip. Unlikely for High Visibility Hot Toc's. I think you may be referring to following an unknown girl to obscure back alley mini hotel or residence after dark. Different altogether. Karokes do this too.

Block & Strip activityies are also present in D1. And in cave like Karokes. According to respectable posts, stay well clear of ALL Karokes. They are dangerous. Many a tourst has also received a hiding in D1, when outrageously high 'tabs' are presented at the end of the session.

We are going in an established shopfront, facing the main street, next to other shops, not some nameless back alley hotel. And in broad daylight. Think fixed address. It's just not worth rolling a client unless he is seen flashing and carrying an obscenely unsafe amount of money around, and has foolishly told when he is going home.

I have a small pocketbook filled with choice phrases written by a local, and have learnt a dozen or so phrases, so they would be aware of possible consequences/ retribution, and that you have a friend/contacts. Quicky they get straight back to business as normal, while they silently work out if you can be stung for 50-200% more than the local price.

The major risk, as described by many post in this forums, is 1) Overcharging, 2. Shortchanging 3) pickpocketing, and 4) Foolishy arranging date in location girl has chosen.

Vietnamese are clever, and stick to 1 and 2, for fear of attacting the police and the party, who always want a cut of the action.

Pickpocketing, uncommon. But listed moreso in Cambodian ISG posts, or money disappearing out of 'locked' lockers. Knowing how much you have on you, Marked notes, movement sensors, make this risky. I find pickpocteting is reserved to mostly to stupid people, who look like marks. Not wise to try on Italians, Eastern Europeans or somebody over six foot tall.

Precautions on where and how to conduct operations are well documented in previous posts, including drugs and spiked drinks, and getting out your comfort zone when you smell a rat.

As for Alone, YMMV. I checked the place out in daylight. If you go back at night, then yeah, taking a friend is good advice, or tipping the taxi driver 150, 000 dong so he can wait / partake as well.

I was completely comfortable and felt safe exploring the outer districts. Sticking to wide streets and while buses were still operating, even alone.

I stayed in a 'outer' area for several nights. After a day, The locals knew of me, the local food hawkers, breakfast place, the drink hawkers, the suga cane crusher (3000 dong). And the coffee shop girls. I felt particularly safe, even at night. Within striking distance of my hotel. Locals always back locals, and self police the area.

It would take me a bit to describe the situation, but lets say is better to head back to D1 before 8-9pm, before the pedestrians thin out. I think the real risk is not finding a taxi thats willing to go by the meter at this hour.

This should suit most mongers, as plenty of USD $30 FS ST offers in District 1 at this time (beatable down to 300, 000 dong. Making clear it is for 1 hour or more). Make it clear your minihotel is fully GF and close by. They will ask for more after the session, but only tip another 50K or so, or nothing if they played starfish and lacked GFE skills. Locals get 2 hours for that rate. It helps to swap phone numbers, and tell them you will have them again if they are good.

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Hi,

This will be my first trip to VN. I'll stay in HCMC from Feb. 17-22. I want to do some sightseeing but also explore the scene a bit. I'm European, early 50ies. If any bm is around at that time, let me know and perhaps we can get a beer or two.

Any recommendations for GF-hotel not too expensive and LT-lady reasonably priced? As I am coming from and going to Thailand, if nothing mongerwise is happening in VN, I can live with it but it would be nice though.

Cheers,

House007

[QUOTE=House007]Hi,

This will be my first trip to VN. I'll stay in HCMC from Feb. 17-22. I want to do some sightseeing but also explore the scene a bit. I'm European, early 50ies. If any bm is around at that time, let me know and perhaps we can get a beer or two.

Any recommendations for GF-hotel not too expensive and LT-lady reasonably priced? As I am coming from and going to Thailand, if nothing mongerwise is happening in VN, I can live with it but it would be nice though.

Cheers,

House007[/QUOTE]

House - there is a thread on hotels which gives some information about the GF ones both on the Dong Khoi/Mac Thi Boui/ Hai Bai Trung areas and over near to Ben Thanh Market. Whilst some people think the bars around Hai Bai Trung are expensive they are accessible and a good time can be had if you take a little care and negotiate hard.

I will be out of town on the dates you mention. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]You pay 10, 12USD for one way to HCMC from PP. (it is very cheap isnt it)

As part of "their service", they sign the customs paper (the white card) for you, by copying your signature on your passport. They dont think nothing beyond that; like when you are leaving Vietnam what happens if the immigration officer at the airport wont let you go because your signature on the passport and the customs card dont match. But dont think too much. It was too late when you handed your passport to the bus company (no choice) when you got on the bus.[/QUOTE]May plan to do PP and onward by bus to HCMC if time and money permits. Any idea how long this bus trip will take and what are the usual departing times? Not sure if this have an overnite bus ride or just for a few hours trip during the daytime only.

I have been to China twice and have done the BBS (barber shop) brothel scene in Shanghai.

Tried to read this section going back 6 months and am a little confuse if the Hot Toc (hair saloon) is the same as the BBS in China (where you pick a lady,pay upfront to mamasan ,go to room for FS=1 shot) and everything is including in one price- about $25 for China).

If not, then what are the differences so I could make the comparison as many reports on Hot Toc seems to be limited to HJ or maybe BJ only and not FS.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]House - there is a thread on hotels which gives some information about the GF ones both on the Dong Khoi/Mac Thi Boui/ Hai Bai Trung areas and over near to Ben Thanh Market. Whilst some people think the bars around Hai Bai Trung are expensive they are accessible and a good time can be had if you take a little care and negotiate hard.

I will be out of town on the dates you mention. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sudsoz. Appreciate yr reply.

Cheers. H007

Maybe different between hot toc's in hanoi and hcmc. I have just been at them in hanoi.

I have had only had one FS in a hot toc. The girls are often too scared to do other things than BJ in the hot toc. I've never been in a separated room, it has always been behind a thin curtain.

Except the one and only FS, all the other times I have just had BBBJCIM or without cim. On just one occacion the girl was not fond of giving to much head and tried to make me cum with mostly handjobing.

Normally they never undress, not even the bra comes off, if you don't ask them nicely to take it off. FIV on all girls.

There is no problem to decide FS outside the hot toc with the girls. Most of them will accept it.

[QUOTE=Sharka]May plan to do PP and onward by bus to HCMC if time and money permits. Any idea how long this bus trip will take and what are the usual departing times? Not sure if this have an overnite bus ride or just for a few hours trip during the daytime only.[/QUOTE]
It takes about 5, 6 hours, about 4 hours to the Cambo-VN border, and about 2 hours to HCMC, Pham Ngu Lao area (Backpacker's area). Coaches leave in the morning, every hour I think. There are earlier ones but , 8am, 9am ones are reasonable. You get to HCMC in the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]It takes about 5, 6 hours, about 4 hours to the Cambo-VN border, and about 2 hours to HCMC, Pham Ngu Lao area (Backpacker's area). Coaches leave in the morning, every hour I think. There are earlier ones but , 8am, 9am ones are reasonable. You get to HCMC in the afternoon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Sounds ok and reasonable enough. From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.

(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?

Shark

Hello all, I have been in HCMC for more than 4 years now and hadn't come across this site till 2 weeks ago. As a somewhat avid monger, I find it interesting. I have been with dozens of girls in Cat Tocs (Hot Tocs) around the edges of D1 and Binh Thanh and D7 over the years and have also bedded dozens of girls and women looking for some small gift. I've taken thousands of pictures of my activities as well. I usually post them on another site where users can comment on individual pictures and girls. I try to do it as a series, from in the hotel clothed, to undressing, showering, oral and fucking and also some posing. Most girls let me take pics. Hot Tocs do not allow pics but I have snatched a very few. I never pay extra for pics and I never discuss it before. I don't go with any girls from bars or karaoke and certainly none from any of the HBT bars so often mentioned here. None of the girls I meet can speak any English, I speak to them in Vietnamese. I pay only 100k, 150k or 200k for an hour or so in the hotel, and 70 or 80k plus 100k tip for the girl to Hot Toc BBBj and CIM. I have little interest in hand jobs or 1 hour massages. I'll start posting at the beginning from when I arrived in 2005. At the time I would go to some of those awful, dirty little Cafe Om near the Nguyen Van Linh and Nguyen Thi Thap intersection. They had some cute little girls there in appalling conditions. The deal was 30k for inside coffee, sit with them, touch, kiss, get it out, shove their head down in your lap till you were happy and they had a mouthful. 50k for them and maybe 8k more for their soda. Those places have been demolished as the road was widened and finished, but they exist in a somewhat different form a few hundred meters down the road. The blue purple Cat Tien sign even survives. Now they ask 150k, coffee inside and tip, all done. I haven't tried, I have other places I prefer, cleaner, with AC and more central. Anyway, I will begin posting some pics today, in Photos I guess is best. How to link this report with photos I'll post? I'm starting with young cutie, 18 YO Ngoc who was my favorite with over 10 visits, and another sweetie called Ngoc Thuy, from a slightly cleaner place next door.

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Johndao,

can u received PM??

[QUOTE=Johndao]Hello all, I have been in HCMC for more than 4 years now and hadn't come across this site till 2 weeks ago. As a somewhat avid monger, I find it interesting. I have been with dozens of girls in Cat Tocs (Hot Tocs) around the edges of D1 and Binh Thanh and D7 over the years and have also bedded dozens of girls and women looking for some small gift. I've taken thousands of pictures of my activities as well. I usually post them on another site where users can comment on individual pictures and girls. I try to do it as a series, from in the hotel clothed, to undressing, showering, oral and fucking and also some posing. Most girls let me take pics. Hot Tocs do not allow pics but I have snatched a very few. I never pay extra for pics and I never discuss it before. I don't go with any girls from bars or karaoke and certainly none from any of the HBT bars so often mentioned here. None of the girls I meet can speak any English, I speak to them in Vietnamese. I pay only 100k, 150k or 200k for an hour or so in the hotel, and 70 or 80k plus 100k tip for the girl to Hot Toc BBBj and CIM. I have little interest in hand jobs or 1 hour massages. I'll start posting at the beginning from when I arrived in 2005. At the time I would go to some of those awful, dirty little Cafe Om near the Nguyen Van Linh and Nguyen Thi Thap intersection. They had some cute little girls there in appalling conditions. The deal was 30k for inside coffee, sit with them, touch, kiss, get it out, shove their head down in your lap till you were happy and they had a mouthful. 50k for them and maybe 8k more for their soda. Those places have been demolished as the road was widened and finished, but they exist in a somewhat different form a few hundred meters down the road. The blue purple Cat Tien sign even survives. Now they ask 150k, coffee inside and tip, all done. I haven't tried, I have other places I prefer, cleaner, with AC and more central. Anyway, I will begin posting some pics today, in Photos I guess is best. How to link this report with photos I'll post? I'm starting with young cutie, 18 YO Ngoc who was my favorite with over 10 visits, and another sweetie called Ngoc Thuy, from a slightly cleaner place next door.

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There are tons of haircut(hot toc), that never give you a haircut and many coffee shops around this street called "Nguyen Thi Thap".

If you go there by foot tell taxi driver to go to "Lotte Mart in District 7". Nguyen Thi Thap street start from there. But it is quite long street so I will suggest to go there by motorbike. I offten go there by my Yamaha 100cc motorbike.

Here is the map.
http://www.diadiem.com/saigon.aspx?code=0;10;40;-196;-218;0;0;87552;248064;87552;248064;-1;-1;875269;2477776;150;349440;80;990720;0;0;0&ad=000E066E7948117359595B59106559515A566E056608066E066E076F700B000C056E7C401173595D575D1061595859566F076E00076E066906$$$6E71&auxi=0;-1;1;1;1;1;5;1;1;1&cont=6E076E1C046E1C016E00&xf=-1&state=SaiGon&fn=-1&n=6;4;-1;-1;-1&slang=0

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Johndao] Anyway, I will begin posting some pics today, in Photos I guess is best. How to link this report with photos I'll post?

[/QUOTE]

If you post the pictures separately you can put a link to the pics in the report post by right clicking on the report number. But I would suggest that you post the pics with the report.

Please be aware that you can upload pics direct to the forum so that you do not have to use a third party host.

I've been reading the posts bout massage parlours and their extra bits. Seems like the going price for these things is 200k or so, and that it had to be negotiated?

Thus far I did not need to negotiate on the price nor was the price for the extra bits asked; extra regarding HJ, BBBJ + touching. Basically the girl just tells me to turn over and then starts playing. No questions asked!

I don't know if the 200k is for foreigners or *excuse my discription* white folks but my cousine who lives in vietnam only pays 100k. Only once has he told me the girl was asking for more, but he settled that by saying that he'll come back again *yea right*. But he only pays 100k. I myself pay 150k because I feel its a bit cheap paying 100k since a normal massage I normally tip 100k. He even once wanted to pay 50k, they would have left us leave the place but I felt kinda bad just leaving with 50k even though that place was not all that neat and tidy like your hotel type massages, this was a small hot toc (barber shop).

Anyways just wanted to know if you guys have ever experienced this? Because it seems like everyone had to negotiate on a price. I keep going in expecting to have to negotiate but not once has I been asked for a price. I even told them that I'm a viet kieu but that did not cause them to ask for a price.

[QUOTE=Myztik]I've been reading the posts bout massage parlours and their extra bits. Seems like the going price for these things is 200k or so, and that it had to be negotiated?

Thus far I did not need to negotiate on the price nor was the price for the extra bits asked; extra regarding HJ, BBBJ + touching. Basically the girl just tells me to turn over and then starts playing. No questions asked!

I don't know if the 200k is for foreigners or *excuse my discription* white folks but my cousine who lives in vietnam only pays 100k. Only once has he told me the girl was asking for more, but he settled that by saying that he'll come back again *yea right*. But he only pays 100k. I myself pay 150k because I feel its a bit cheap paying 100k since a normal massage I normally tip 100k. He even once wanted to pay 50k, they would have left us leave the place but I felt kinda bad just leaving with 50k even though that place was not all that neat and tidy like your hotel type massages, this was a small hot toc (barber shop).

Anyways just wanted to know if you guys have ever experienced this? Because it seems like everyone had to negotiate on a price. I keep going in expecting to have to negotiate but not once has I been asked for a price. I even told them that I'm a viet kieu but that did not cause them to ask for a price.[/QUOTE]

There is a huge difference between massage places patronised by white faces in District 1 and those in outer areas.

[QUOTE=Myztik]
Anyways just wanted to know if you guys have ever experienced this? Because it seems like everyone had to negotiate on a price. I keep going in expecting to have to negotiate but not once has I been asked for a price. I even told them that I'm a viet kieu but that did not cause them to ask for a price.[/QUOTE]


My feeling (if I'm not mistaken) is that you can speak the Viet. Language somewhat or even fluently/ and maybe look local so they may be more reluctant to pull anything on you and assume you already know the local rates.
For the rest of us with no Viet speaking skills, we are more limited with our cost options.---IMO


PT

[QUOTE=Sharka]Thanks for the reply. Sounds ok and reasonable enough. From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.

(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?

Shark[/QUOTE]


Not 100% sure, but last time I was in Cambo, the Viet visa was somewhere around $40 or more, but I didnt apply for one at that time so not certain as didnt have time for travel to Viet.
Also, could take up to 5 working days (not including Sat/Sun).

Maybe some ISG member who recently applied for this can double check the $ and time.

Also, maybe post this question in the Cambo thread as many from there might know the answers.
Peace.


PT

[QUOTE=Samurai Life]Yep!

There are tons of haircut(hot toc), that never give you a haircut and many coffee shops around this street called "Nguyen Thi Thap".

If you go there by foot tell taxi driver to go to "Lotte Mart in District 7". Nguyen Thi Thap street start from there. But it is quite long street so I will suggest to go there by motorbike. I offten go there by my Yamaha 100cc motorbike.

Here is the map.
http://www.diadiem.com/saigon.aspx?code=0;10;40;-196;-218;0;0;87552;248064;87552;248064;-1;-1;875269;2477776;150;349440;80;990720;0;0;0&ad=000E066E7948117359595B59106559515A566E056608066E066E076F700B000C056E7C401173595D575D1061595859566F076E00076E066906$$$6E71&auxi=0;-1;1;1;1;1;5;1;1;1&cont=6E076E1C046E1C016E00&xf=-1&state=SaiGon&fn=-1&n=6;4;-1;-1;-1&slang=0

Good luck.[/QUOTE]


1)You had titled cheap BJ and FS around these locations. I seem to have an idea that Hot Tocs usually only do HJ and occasional BJ but FS?
Can you confirm this and also what would be the going rates for FS at these places?

1a)Also mention that Nguyen Thi Thap is a very long st. can you narrow this down a bit (with possible cross/intersecting streets) where the action is concentrated.
ex:its like saying the action is on Broadway in NYC but Broadway st is over 15miles long!

2)cant seem to access your map, anyone else having trouble?

3)can't figure this out but your post seems larger in size than normal post? maybe its just my computer.


PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]My feeling (if I'm not mistaken) is that you can speak the Viet. Language somewhat or even fluently/ and maybe look local so they may be more reluctant to pull anything on you and assume you already know the local rates.
For the rest of us with no Viet speaking skills, we are more limited with our cost options.---IMO

PT[/QUOTE]I can speak the language somewhat fluently so I guess that may be a good advantage. But looking local I highly doubt, plus I did tell them that I'm from outa the country. Maybe you guys can try and bargain down to 150k for a HJ + BJ + touching. Also try and see if you can get them to do the job first and then give a price after, because I havnt been given a price before or after the job. I was just given a piece of paper and then I write down what I feel like giving them then I go out the front and pay. Give it a try, don't know if it'll work but what you got to loose? If enough people do this it might bring down the avg price.

This is my 4th trip to Vietnam and I have found a really 'HOT' hot toc just outside Pham Ngu Lao area on Cong Quynh street. Its not as pretty and attractive on the outside as the HOT TOCS behind Ben Thanh Market but the service is much better. I have received FS in there several times for just 500, 000 VND and these are not 'vacuum cleaner looking' variety girls I am talking about. Very trustworthy, no rip offs and no shared room with other fellow mongers. I mostly see local vietnamese men going here. Not too many foreign men so maybe thats the secret.

Anyway, if you are new to Vietnam and want to know whats going on with the girl situation post me a message and we can go have a few beers. I will be here a few more weeks.

[QUOTE=Sex Apocolypse]

Anyway, if you are new to Vietnam and want to know whats going on with the girl situation post me a message and we can go have a few beers. I will be here a few more weeks.[/QUOTE]I'm here with a friend for a week before we continue our trip to Bangkok. We would like to grab a few beers and some tips on the girl situation.

[QUOTE=Sex Apocolypse]This is my 4th trip to Vietnam and I have found a really 'HOT' hot toc just outside Pham Ngu Lao area on Cong Quynh street. Its not as pretty and attractive on the outside as the HOT TOCS behind Ben Thanh Market but the service is much better. I have received FS in there several times for just 500, 000 VND and these are not 'vacuum cleaner looking' variety girls I am talking about. Very trustworthy, no rip offs and no shared room with other fellow mongers. I mostly see local vietnamese men going here. Not too many foreign men so maybe thats the secret.

Anyway, if you are new to Vietnam and want to know whats going on with the girl situation post me a message and we can go have a few beers. I will be here a few more weeks.[/QUOTE]Hello,

We are two guys who just landed here in Saigon, would be great if you could point us in the right direction since we havent found much yet.

We are staying at the " Dong Khanh Hotel"

/R & A

[QUOTE=Asswrestler]Hello,

We are two guys who just landed here in Saigon, would be great if you could point us in the right direction since we havent found much yet.

We are staying at the " Dong Khanh Hotel"

/R & A[/QUOTE]

Get a map with an index so you can find the streets mentioned here. There are free ones at the Tourist Centre on Le Loi and you can buy them at newsagent/bookshops around Doing Khoi and Le Loi.

Took a look at your hotel location on Tran Hung Dao (extension of Le Loi) but deep into chinatown. If you feel energetic you could walk to the Phan Ngu Lao bar area or to Bui Vien area.

If you are staying there I am guessing that you might speak a little chinese (mandarin). If you do you might find that some places can understand a little.

There is a lot of construction work around Ham Tu street and I have seen a whole bunch of Hot Tocs along Nguyen Bieu near there but I was never able to stop because I was with clients etc.

There is a lot of information here so good luck.

I am going to HCMC next week and will be staying at Sofitel. This will be my first trip to HCMC and will be staying for a week plus. Please PM me nos so I can spend my week happily.

[QUOTE=Hinote]I am going to HCMC next week and will be staying at Sofitel. This will be my first trip to HCMC and will be staying for a week plus. Please PM me nos so I can spend my week happily.[/QUOTE]

If you check out the lobby bar in late afternoons/evenings you will often see ladies hanging about. They will want US$200 for ST. Most probably the hotel security will stop them going to your room so you will have to go with her to a high class establishment outside.

Just read the forum for more details.

Just wanted to confirm not a typo, that the girls at the bar/lobby charges ST for US $200?
Seems too pricey as I can get that at home in New York for about that price or less (no Viets at home/mostly Koreans though)

Shark

[QUOTE=Sharka]Just wanted to confirm not a typo, that the girls at the bar/lobby charges ST for US $200?
Seems too pricey as I can get that at home in New York for about that price or less (no Viets at home/mostly Koreans though)

Shark[/QUOTE]

It is expensive and that's why you do not go to Sofitel.

And as pre-caution I'm looking for a place to get reliable Viagra or Cialis here. No experience with the thing but must bang 3 girls and they are demanding.

[QUOTE=Ajashi]And as pre-caution I'm looking for a place to get reliable Viagra or Cialis here. No experience with the thing but must bang 3 girls and they are demanding.[/QUOTE]

Most of the pharmacies - especially the smaller ones - will sell you genuine C for VND300k for 4 x 20 mg. Ask the pharmacist for tadalafil (chemical name). And check the seals on the box and the sleeves inside.

On Viagra and Cialis Subs. Adagrin, a Vietnamese brand is the same as Viagra and I have used it many times. It's available only in 50mg for about 40k Dong each. I use a half pill. It's made in Binh Duong or rather assembled and packaged there. Lovegra is the same but comes from the north of VN. Even better priced is Majegra from India. I have used it many times. It comes in 100mg form and usually costs 35k Dong. I have used both many times and they are exactly the same in strength, effects, etc as Viagra which is Sildenafil. Tadalafil is Cialis. Another brand of Cialis from VN is called C-Ales made by VPS Pharm. It comes in 20mg only and cost 75k Dong usually. It works exactly the same as Cialis. Just write it down for the pharmacist.

[QUOTE=Johndao]On Viagra and Cialis Subs. Adagrin, a Vietnamese brand is[/QUOTE]Adagrin.

You just gotta love that name! Add-A-Grin to you, and Add-A-Grin to her.

P.

[QUOTE=Johndao]On Viagra and Cialis Subs. Adagrin, a Vietnamese brand is the same as Viagra and I have used it many times. It's available only in 50mg for about 40k Dong each. I use a half pill. It's made in Binh Duong or rather assembled and packaged there. Lovegra is the same but comes from the north of VN. Even better priced is Majegra from India. I have used it many times. It comes in 100mg form and usually costs 35k Dong. I have used both many times and they are exactly the same in strength, effects, etc as Viagra which is Sildenafil. Tadalafil is Cialis. Another brand of Cialis from VN is called C-Ales made by VPS Pharm. It comes in 20mg only and cost 75k Dong usually. It works exactly the same as Cialis. Just write it down for the pharmacist.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much most of SE Asia (except Singapore and KL) if you use the generic names (Sildenafil, Taladafil) you will get offered both genuine and generics and you will have the added benefits of overcoming any language barrier and nobody in the shop knowing what you are asking for.

I prefer C because when I have used V (genuine or generic) it gives me a headache. Half a 20mg pill is good for 24 hrs. Could probably take a quarter or third but my teeth aren't that accurate!

Use a pill cutter! A little device that holds the pills and cuts accurately. I use a quarter of the 100mg Viagra because it minimizes the headache and face flushing and that's all I need. It works quickly and wears off quickly when you use that small amount. 25 mg is fine for me. I really only use it when I need to use condoms, bareback with a close friend is never a problem. Just the pause for the condom and the lube etc, the unfamiliar girl, etc, I need the extra boost. And I like to stop and start a lot too.

Think about this: I advise you NOT to buy 'real Viagra' here for the following reasons: First of all, the very inexpensive generics are widely available and are exactly the same (although Adagrin is too powdery when cut). Second, there is FAKE Viagra being sold. There are no fake generics. Why would anyone fake a generic selling for 35 to 50k when they could fake original V which sells for 300k? In fact, the fakers can buy the Sildenafil from the same source and use fake V packaging and sell it for 300k. It will seem real to the user, it IS real and will work fine. But it's the same as the 35 - 50k generic. Customers who buy the fake for 300k and are happy and say, no, no, it works is real. Yes, it does work. But it's just generic Sildenafil.

I will post some pics in my next post. I forgot to mention Inta-Gra. Also from India, about 50k for 100mg Sildenafil. It's lighter blue in color and very hard, good for cutting with a sharp blade.

I bought all these at a pharmacy on Nguyen Trai, near D5 intersection with Nguyen Van Cu, between that street and Nguyen Cu Trinh, forgot the name, I have been there many, many times. On the south side, big blue pharmacy sign on the street, prices all marked on box, nice people. It's near the Pham Ngu Lao, Bui Vien area too, about 2km. I just go there for convenience. It's a bit cheaper or the same at the many pharmacies on Hai Ba Trung near the Tan Dinh market.

Left to Right: Majegra 100 (35k per pill), Inta-gra 100 (50k per pill), C.ales 20 (75k per pill)

[QUOTE=Johndao]I bought all these at a pharmacy on Nguyen Trai, near D5 intersection with Nguyen Van Cu, between that street and Nguyen Cu Trinh, forgot the name, I have been there many, many times. On the south side, big blue pharmacy sign on the street, prices all marked on box, nice people. It's near the Pham Ngu Lao, Bui Vien area too, about 2km. I just go there for convenience. It's a bit cheaper or the same at the many pharmacies on Hai Ba Trung near the Tan Dinh market.

Left to Right: Majegra 100 (35k per pill), Inta-gra 100 (50k per pill), C.ales 20 (75k per pill)[/QUOTE]

Where do I buy a pill cutter? In Saigon?

Don't know about the Sildenafil coz I don't use it but I get real 'Lily" C from the small pharmacy on Mac Thi Boui (near non-GF Bach Dang hotel) for VND 300k for 4 x 20 mg. At that price why bother with generics?

At the prices you are getting the generic V for it makes sense.

Suds,

I think Medicare Pharmacies have pill cutters. Pharmacy chain with big purple signs, one on Tran Hung Dao and another on HBT. Some others too.

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Where do I buy a pill cutter? In Saigon?

Don't know about the Sildenafil coz I don't use it but I get real 'Lily" C from the small pharmacy on Mac Thi Boui (near non-GF Bach Dang hotel) for VND 300k for 4 x 20 mg. At that price why bother with generics?

At the prices you are getting the generic V for it makes sense.[/QUOTE]You can buy a pill cutter, locally made (Cat Thuoc) at the Medicare on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh St, east side, before the DBP traffic circle. 12,000D

[QUOTE=Johndao]Suds,

I think Medicare Pharmacies have pill cutters. Pharmacy chain with big purple signs, one on Tran Hung Dao and another on HBT. Some others too.

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.[/QUOTE]
Johndao, I must congratulate you on your work for this forum; i.e your pictures and posts in the other thread.

I buy my "Vitamins" from a chemist at xxx DBP, D3. (for xxx, pls PM me)
Kamagra (Sindemfil generics) 4 x 100mg which I crush one and divide into 3 or 4 depending on the occasion.
MEGAFORT (Tadalafil generics) 2 x 20mg which I break into 2.
See pics below.
At this chemist, they also sell real Levitra and Cialis as well, but these are expensive. I was sceptical first for MEGAFORT but tried and had the same effect as Cialis/Apcalis.

I had to get a pill cutter in NZ!!! With this cutter, you can crush a pill. I reckon taking it in powder form should take effect more quickly. I crush them and wrap in very thin edable papers and carry them in my wallet (you never know when you need it) :)

Thanks for your kind words Joe. I just want to say a few things. I have lots and lots of pics of girls I have done here in HCMC the last few years. None are from bars or clubs, none can speak English. Only very rarely have given them any more than 200k Dong with 150k being normal, even 100K in some cases. I pay 50 to 80k more for a hotel room. 90% of girls let me take some pics of them and around 60% let me take all the pics and cam vid I want.

I like all ages, sizes and shapes. At the prices I pay, why not try them, I have little to lose.

I have had a hundred or more experiences in Hair Cut BJ places where pics are not allowed, and 10's more in Cafe Om places (not recently anymore, except once) where I sometimes get pic or two. I very rarely go to hotel massage places where you get one hour and a happy ending. I am almost always unsatisfied and appalled at what others before me have 'tipped.'

That brings me to the main point: money, or tipping. Tipping is just that, it's a tip. Not a fee, not a charge, but a tip. So that means it's whatever you want, any amount. Nobody can demand a tip of any kind, then it's not a tip, it's a fee. Body massage in Vietnam and some other Asian countries is just that, full body massage and for some men who want, a happy handing accomplished manually, just like the rest of the massage. It's not sex per se, but it is sexual relief or prostate relief. There is NO additional fee for this service, which is technically not even allowed by local law or hotel/MP policy. There is no fee of 200k or whatever. There is no charge of 200k or whatever. Girls don't 'demand' 200k or whatever. But they are not stupid. They have learned over time, that some men, particularly western men think that massage HJ is some kind of extra service for which the men must pay dearly and for the women to be richly rewarded. They don't ask, 'I massage left arm, how much you give me'? or I massa right leg, how much you give me'? Or now head massage, how much? Your dick and its relief is just part of the deal. So give them a tip for their time and effort. But don't negotiate a fee or charge, it's not necessary. 100k is always more than enough, for those who are insecure about fees.

Look, there are those here who think getting a CIM BJ furtively in an upstairs room of a HBT bar is a great deal, or who are happy giving a 200k tip for an under towel, quick, no feel her body HJ to a poverty stricken, uneducated young lass from the countryside because she grew up prettier than her cousin who labors in a factory 6 days a week for 1.4 million Dong a month. But you don't have to. I have incresed my CIM BJ tip from 50 to 60 then to 70, 80 and now 100k since 2005. Prices in HCMC have gone up accordingly and so have my tips. Sometimes I am annoyed by something and signal it with an 80k tip.

Joe, again, I am pleased in your faith in me for following my directions out to D7. It's an experience, not the greatest but it's cheap and can be fun and different. The best is if you find a real cutie and come back to her and then get a number and go to a hotel sometime. You just have to try these places out. Try some other places please, and let us know the deal. It takes roadwork. One final word, I wrote that I gave 20k for the coffee and 100k to the girl as I made her work real hard and long on a thick dick before cumming. I had originally intended less. I see no reason why Joe paid 150k. It just makes it higher for everyone in the future and in general. Next time Tom will go and give 200, and then Mike will go and give 250 and soon it will be like HBT with girls 'demanding' 500k.

With this in mind, I will continue to post details of peripheral places that I may never return to, or don't care if I return to. But my favorite places I will keep for myself as I don't want them ruined by price inflation.

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[QUOTE=Johndao]
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It's an experience, not the greatest but it's cheap and can be fun and different. The best is if you find a real cutie and come back to her and then get a number and go to a hotel sometime. You just have to try these places out.
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With this in mind, I will continue to post details of peripheral places that I may never return to, or don't care if I return to. But my favorite places I will keep for myself as I don't want them ruined by price inflation...[/QUOTE]
Johndao, I agree with you a 100% on the points you are making here. I dont want to dig into this more than necessary, but the reason why I gave this woman 150K was very simple. I only remembered that you paid 20K for a drink and 100K for the service. But I didnt remember exactly what service you received. I assumed you didnt get a BJ. Hence I thought additional 30K would be justified for a BJ. I agree that we must keep the tipping under control for Tom, Mike etc. I think this type of place is great; simple, quick and cheap.
To me the hobby of ours is like many other things that people do. It is the process of getting what you set out to achieve. Once you got there, it's somewhat an anticlimax. I enjoy this process, and of course the end result; some time good, some time bad.

Johndao, do you have your PM enabled?

Cheers

Sorry, the correct price for C.ales 20mg is 45k Dong, NOT 75K Dong as I reported earlier. This is Tadalifil, a Cialis generic. I buy it at Thien Thanh Nha Thuoc (drugstore) on Nguyen Trai St near the Nguyen Van Cu intersection. They also have Viagra generic Majegra 100mg from India for 35k Dong per pill.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]Johndao, I agree with you a 100% on the points you are making here. I dont want to dig into this more than necessary, but the reason why I gave this woman 150K was very simple. I only remembered that you paid 20K for a drink and 100K for the service. But I didnt remember exactly what service you received. I assumed you didnt get a BJ. Hence I thought additional 30K would be justified for a BJ. I agree that we must keep the tipping under control for Tom, Mike etc. I think this type of place is great; simple, quick and cheap.[/QUOTE]Joe, Johndao, others..

I am travelling through Asia for next few weeks and going to be in Ho Chi Minh a few days in March.

I do no speak Vietnamese but would like to experience as much of the city and the women as possible.

Can you recomend some places where to hang out for drinks and possibly meet women who will go back to my hotel? with or other places to find some high quality women?

Any other travel tips and women tips are greatly appreciated!!

Thank you,

Fishing,

I have not been contributing here for long, but what you ask for is the purpose of this forum. Just read the posts, there are pages and pages of recent posts coving exactly the info you are looking for.

JD

PS: Caveat Emptor -- the closer you are to the Central Business and Tourist District, the more people you will encounter looking to RIP YOU OFF. Not violently, thankfully. There is a rather pathetic strip of bars along Hai Ba Trung Street with incredibly overpriced services and girls. This is where most tourists and short-term business visitors go to get ripped off.

[QUOTE=Johndao]

You are buying 'real' Lilly C for 75k/pill, the same as the VN Generics. The point is, I would guess, but don't know, that it's 'fake.' It's got the real medicine, it works fine, but the packaging is false. It's too cheap for real Lilly C. I don't know for sure, but that's what makes sense to me. Especially in that part of town where you bought it. Medicare sells it for something like $10/pill. Something to think about as I have not seen what you bought.[/QUOTE]

Finally got some privacy to get some pics. The box in pic 1 is a bit squashed from my suitcase but still has the seals intact. I always make sure that the seal are intact.

Tried to get a clear pic through the packaging but could not. Each Pill is marked as C20 as indicated on the ukmedix site.

[url]http://www.ukmedix.com/cialis/lilly-cialis.cfm[/url]

I have used the generics and found them to be equally as effective. In fact there was one brand from India where the pills were like an 8 and easily slit in half.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Finally got some privacy to get some pics. The box in pic 1 is a bit squashed from my suitcase but still has the seals intact. I always make sure that the seal are intact.

Tried to get a clear pic through the packaging but could not. Each Pill is marked as C20 as indicated on the ukmedix site.

[url]http://www.ukmedix.com/cialis/lilly-cialis.cfm[/url]

I have used the generics and found them to be equally as effective. In fact there was one brand from India where the pills were like an 8 and easily slit in half.[/QUOTE]
Hope you don't mind - but I BELIEVE that the pills you bought are actually counterfeit Cialis pills and NOT the genuine, made by Lilly, Cialis.

Please see the accompanying foto I attach - which I've also posted on the shanghai boards BTW - which shows the difference between the REAL Cialis - that I buy through my doctor in Hong Kong (for HK$380 = +- US$48 for a box of 4x20 mg pills) and is on the lower left hand corner of the picture VS. the fake ones - which is on the upper left hand corner of the picture. Please note that all the other products in the picture are also counterfeit.

Please note the difference in the colour of the box - and how my counterfeit pill's box colour closely matches your box.

Also please note the different "logos" - the Genuine product has a hologram/3 dimensional effect tape whilst the counterfeit ones - yours and mine - instead has on the same space, the printed logo "Lilly icos."

Also, the "seal" you refer to on both ends of the boxes - the genuine ones are cellotape with a bi-colour rendering of the Cialis logo, whilst the counterfeit ones just has black rendering of a padlock.

I'm not sure about the Dong/US$ exchange rate so I don't know if you overpaid or not - but in China, we get these counterfeit 4x20 mg cailis for approx US$5.00 retail and $1.50 wholesale just FYI.

Like I said, I apologize if I'm butting in when its none of my concern and that I certainly am NOT trying to flame you or anything. Thank you

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hope you don't mind - but I BELIEVE that the pills you bought are actually counterfeit Cialis pills and NOT the genuine, made by Lilly, Cialis.

Please see the accompanying foto I attach - which I've also posted on the shanghai boards BTW - which shows the difference between the REAL Cialis - that I buy through my doctor in Hong Kong (for HK$380 = +- US$48 for a box of 4x20 mg pills) and is on the lower left hand corner of the picture VS. the fake ones - which is on the upper left hand corner of the picture. Please note that all the other products in the picture are also counterfeit.

Please note the difference in the colour of the box - and how my counterfeit pill's box colour closely matches your box.

Also please note the different "logos" - the Genuine product has a hologram/3 dimensional effect tape whilst the counterfeit ones - yours and mine - instead has on the same space, the printed logo "Lilly icos."

Also, the "seal" you refer to on both ends of the boxes - the genuine ones are cellotape with a bi-colour rendering of the Cialis logo, whilst the counterfeit ones just has black rendering of a padlock.

I'm not sure about the Dong/US$ exchange rate so I don't know if you overpaid or not - but in China, we get these counterfeit 4x20 mg cailis for approx US$5.00 retail and $1.50 wholesale just FYI.

Like I said, I apologize if I'm butting in when its none of my concern and that I certainly am NOT trying to flame you or anything. Thank you

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

I don't mind and don't really care because the stuff works and is at about the right price on the street. The same was true of generics that I got from pharmacies in Bangkok. We are all aware that a lot of stuff is copied in Asia and some of it is done very well.

But how do you know that your REAL stuff is real? With the Chinese lettering on the box? Although I agree with you about the different shade of green.

Pity that Lily Icos don't give more specific details at their site. We might have to get some from a legitimate pharmacy somewhere to know.

Overall I don't have a problem with generics anyway. Often in a legitimate pharmacy they will ask you whether you want the brand name or generic and as long as a knowleagable pharmacist is checking ingredients and I am checking as well I figure its probably OK. Is it at the point where a pharmacist might have to check the ingredients independently? I don't think so.

Anyway my stocks are getting low and I need to buy some generic online. Be interesting to see what arrives.

I see that there are separate threads for discussion of Viagra and Cialis but there is not a lot of activity. In fact much of the activity is from guys recommending on-line pharmacy sites where the prices are considerably higher than we are discussing. Caveat Emptor!

Yes, the thing to remember is whether or not the drug works. Whether it is posing as a real Lilly product or it is made under license by a local company, as long as it is Tadalafil, it will give you the lift you want. However, we don't want to pay a higher price for the generic posing as the real brand, when we can just buy the straight-up generic at a lower price. VPC (Vietnam) is a legitimate licensed pharmaceuticals producer that sells Tadalafil under the name C.ales. You can buy real Lilly Cialis at Medicare in VN for around $10usd/pill.

This is from the Phap Luat (Law) Newspaper

31 drugs that are permitted to be sold in Vietnam

31 loại thuốc được phép lưu hành

Lovegra (Sildenafil citrat 50 mg), Banago 10 (Tadalafil 20 mg), Banago 20 (Tadalafil 20 mg), Shinafil (Sildenafil citrat 50 mg), Shafil 20 mg, Adagrin, Megafort 20 mg, Pycalis 10, Pycalis 20, Donaton 10 mg, Donaton 20 mg, Evadam, Man-axcio 10 mg, Man-axcio 20 mg, Dailis 10, Dailis 20, Tadalafil Stada 20 mg, C.ales 20 mg, Kamagra 100 (Sildenafil 100 mg), Kamagra 100 (Sildenafil citrat 100 mg), Kamagra 50, Majegra 100, Medovigor, Viagra (Sildenafil 50 mg), Viagra ( Sildenafil 100 mg), Cialis 10 mg, Cialis 20 mg, Synalis 20, Levitra 10 mg, Levitra 20 mg, Levitra 5 mg.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I don't mind and don't really care because the stuff works and is at about the right price on the street. The same was true of generics that I got from pharmacies in Bangkok. We are all aware that a lot of stuff is copied in Asia and some of it is done very well.

But how do you know that your REAL stuff is real? With the Chinese lettering on the box? Although I agree with you about the different shade of green.

Pity that Lily Icos don't give more specific details at their site. We might have to get some from a legitimate pharmacy somewhere to know.

Overall I don't have a problem with generics anyway. Often in a legitimate pharmacy they will ask you whether you want the brand name or generic and as long as a knowleagable pharmacist is checking ingredients and I am checking as well I figure its probably OK. Is it at the point where a pharmacist might have to check the ingredients independently? I don't think so.

Anyway my stocks are getting low and I need to buy some generic online. Be interesting to see what arrives.

I see that there are separate threads for discussion of Viagra and Cialis but there is not a lot of activity. In fact much of the activity is from guys recommending on-line pharmacy sites where the prices are considerably higher than we are discussing. Caveat Emptor![/QUOTE]
You're of course correct in pointing out that there is no way for us laymen to know if a product is genuine or not, but I do think that my doctor friend would know for sure (we buy in bulk together and he uses some of it himself!!!) and that he would be dealing directly with the official Lilly office in Hong Kong (but then again, howzabout a rogue employee switching the stuff etc etc??!!).

Interestingly, the counterfeit Cialis box itself actually "feels" more genuine as it includes RAISED lettering for the Ciallis name versus just a plainprinted box for the genuine one.

And even the hologram on the real stuff's box... well, my counterfeit Viagra box also has this hologram with "Pfizer" on it!!

And thus its ALL GOOD - just so long as it does the job - real, fake,generic, counterfeit - who cares!!

SEAJ

While we are on the subject with V and C, I just have a question for those who used them.
As I get older, my endurance has gone some where else also. My problem isn't getting it up, but rather wanting to get a second and third session throughout the night. Unlike the old days, I just get tired and wanting to sleep.
Do these pills help you stay energetic and horny also?

[QUOTE=Columpuss]While we are on the subject with V and C, I just have a question for those who used them.

As I get older, my endurance has gone some where else also. My problem isn't getting it up, but rather wanting to get a second and third session throughout the night. Unlike the old days, I just get tired and wanting to sleep.

Do these pills help you stay energetic and horny also?[/QUOTE]Hell No! They don't. I am just a one shot guy now too. They sure don't make me energetic and they definitely don't make you horny either. You have to be both already. They just make your cock really hard and help it to stay that way during sexual excitement or activity. Especially convenient when using condoms. But I also feel they make it more difficult to ejaculate, they make your face flush and they make you tired afterward (maybe something else is making me tired).

If you want energy I'd suggest going to a gym for vigorous workouts on a regular basis, lifting weights, swimming, drinking less booze and sleeping more.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]While we are on the subject with V and C, I just have a question for those who used them.
As I get older, my endurance has gone some where else also. My problem isn't getting it up, but rather wanting to get a second and third session throughout the night. Unlike the old days, I just get tired and wanting to sleep.
Do these pills help you stay energetic and horny also?[/QUOTE]

My experience is a bit different to JD. When I tried V (real and generic) I got the face flushing etc and the effect was done in a few hours.

With the C (again real and generic) I don't get the face flushing and the stuff lets me get it up quickly for about 24 hrs. Especially for a second and third in a night. Does not do anything to bring on or delay ejaculation. Especially helpful with industrial grade condoms. The only side effect that I notice is a bit more nasal muccus.

As JD says it does nothing to make you any more horny or energetic. That's up to you and the gal.

I have a question to pose to fellow mongers of HCMC as I think I am too close to it to make a good reason call. This is my situation and I would appreciate any views, comments or advice;

I travel to HCMC 3 to 4 times a year and have now established myself with a lady that is very well connected with girl friendly mini hotels and a very large selection of girls. I only have to give her a call and place an order and she picks me up on her bike and takes me to one of her hotels where there is an assortment of girls waiting for me to choose from. She then waits around to pay the girl (I never pay the girl). She then asks me for feedback on the girl so she can pass on to other clients in the future. We often then go to dinner together and we have become good friends and she always looks after me to make sure I don’t get ripped. Prior to this I would just pick up from where ever…bars, massage, markets and from the street. Guess I have got a little lazy but I have limited time so I like to get what I want as quickly as possible.

So I should just stay with the above system but I went into one of the bars in D1, got a cute girl, we went off to a hotel and all was OK (average). She gave me her number and asked me to phone each time I came back to HCM and we can hook up and cut the mamasan and bar out of the equation. Great idea and cheaper so that’s what I have been doing for the past year. Anyway my last trip was pretty weird with this lady….she bought me gifts, phoned and messaged me each day, took me to meet her friends and our sessions in the mini hotel went from average to mind blowing. She really turned it on and I would have to say was the best I have ever had in Vietnam. She would do anything…no rules all of a sudden and she looked as if she loved every minute of it instead of looking bored. She actually asked me to take pictures of her so I could remember her when I go back home.

So when I go home she keeps phoning me and texting me and now she says she is in love with me and can’t do anything but think about me day and night. She is waiting for me to return so she can be with me again. I go back in a few weeks.

So my problem as you can see is what the hell do I do???

I would normally give her the boot but as I mentioned the sessions with her are now mind blowing (I get excited just thinking about them) so I thought maybe just tell her I don’t want a relationship and it’s casual or nothing or disappear and never contact her again or just lead her on.

By the way I did ask why the sudden change in the bedroom and she (she speaks OK English) did say as a regular girl you try and give the least you can get away with for the money. Clients come and go all the time so just give as little as possible and you will still get your money. She also said if you give lots of rules or look as if you are not good at certain things then the session is quicker which means you can get back to the bar quickly. She said a smart girl if she likes the client will always offer her mobile number for the next time especially if she knows the guy is still going to be in HCM for a few more days.

Appreciate any comments guys.

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[QUOTE=Fishing1]Joe, Johndao, others..
...
I do no speak Vietnamese but would like to experience as much of the city and the women as possible.

Can you recomend some places where to hang out for drinks and possibly meet women who will go back to my hotel? with or other places to find some high quality women?

Any other travel tips and women tips are greatly appreciated!!

Thank you,[/QUOTE]
I suggest you do some reading on the VN threads to get some ideas. I know some of them are out of date, but at least will help you find out what's on offer. Anyway...
I know many MP places outside of D1, but in the centre, there are some hotels, 4, 5 star to 2, 3 star. some of which have MP facility. You can try these. These can be expensive. (old info: 100 to 160K to get in, old info: 150 to ??? for tip) These girls will try to get as much as possible from you like 500K for a HJ. this is rediculous. 200K is ok, 300K if you really feel she did well. You can even get away with 100K or 150K. Ones I tried in D1 in the past were Kim Do hotel on Nguyen Hue on the main thoroughfare, Lido at Liberty Hotel on Pham Ngu Lao, and Star Hotel, Nguyen Thi Minh Kai, D3, next to the park. These places are clean and well equipped. In a MP, you can only get a HJ and groping, but no hanky panky. Outside of these areas, there are many MPs catering for the locals. These are in general cheaper. Some are good, but dont expect good massage from these girls.

you can find FLs near the hotels. Or Taxi/Siclo/xe om drivers will ask you if you require a lady for a night. I have been approached but I never took it up so I dont know what the system is.
You can go to "Catwalk" (name check?) next to New World Hotel.

For more down to earth variety, you can find the street walkers in D5. But you need your own transport to inspect them. Another type is cafe om (Read Johndao's posts), but again you need your own transport. Because these operate like the "cum and go quick" basis. If you want a LT, then you may pop in some of HBT bars.

Alternatively, befriend with a xe om driver near your hotel. He will look after you for fees.
My guide line would be that for a MP you will not pay more than 350K (20USD) for a HJ. So you can come to your own conclusion for what is reasonable for a xe om driver for his service. Remember he also gets a cut from that place for taking you there.
Some time ago, I was just sitting on a bench in Le Duan Street, and was approached by a xe om driver. He took me to a place (just like an ordinary house in D5. I dont remember exactly where now) 2 fairly pretty girls started to massage my legs, removed my trousers and underwear and started to suck my dick. They suggest that I should pay 100USD. Funny thing was everytime they talked about money my dick went down, and then the girls had to see to my dick quick. When they got it up, they talk about money again, ... the dick went up and down like a yoyo. Eventually we settled for 25USD/15GBP (this was all I had in my wallet) Looking back now it was far far too much (I had no knowledge of these things before, and I thought 15 quid for this was cheap) Once the money issue was settled
the girl opened up (literally) for me to see and touch (dont expect this from MP girls) and was very friendly. So I was happy.

[QUOTE=Viet1]I have a question to pose to fellow mongers of HCMC as I think I am too close to it to make a good reason call. This is my situation and I would appreciate any views, comments or advice;

I travel to HCMC 3 to 4 times a year and have now established myself with a lady that is very well connected with girl friendly mini hotels and a very large selection of girls. I only have to give her a call and place an order and she picks me up on her bike and takes me to one of her hotels where there is an assortment of girls waiting for me to choose from. She then waits around to pay the girl (I never pay the girl). She then asks me for feedback on the girl so she can pass on to other clients in the future. We often then go to dinner together and we have become good friends and she always looks after me to make sure I don’t get ripped. Prior to this I would just pick up from where ever…bars, massage, markets and from the street. Guess I have got a little lazy but I have limited time so I like to get what I want as quickly as possible.

So I should just stay with the above system but I went into one of the bars in D1, got a cute girl, we went off to a hotel and all was OK (average). She gave me her number and asked me to phone each time I came back to HCM and we can hook up and cut the mamasan and bar out of the equation. Great idea and cheaper so that’s what I have been doing for the past year. Anyway my last trip was pretty weird with this lady….she bought me gifts, phoned and messaged me each day, took me to meet her friends and our sessions in the mini hotel went from average to mind blowing. She really turned it on and I would have to say was the best I have ever had in Vietnam. She would do anything…no rules all of a sudden and she looked as if she loved every minute of it instead of looking bored. She actually asked me to take pictures of her so I could remember her when I go back home.

So when I go home she keeps phoning me and texting me and now she says she is in love with me and can’t do anything but think about me day and night. She is waiting for me to return so she can be with me again. I go back in a few weeks.

So my problem as you can see is what the hell do I do???

I would normally give her the boot but as I mentioned the sessions with her are now mind blowing (I get excited just thinking about them) so I thought maybe just tell her I don’t want a relationship and it’s casual or nothing or disappear and never contact her again or just lead her on.

By the way I did ask why the sudden change in the bedroom and she (she speaks OK English) did say as a regular girl you try and give the least you can get away with for the money. Clients come and go all the time so just give as little as possible and you will still get your money. She also said if you give lots of rules or look as if you are not good at certain things then the session is quicker which means you can get back to the bar quickly. She said a smart girl if she likes the client will always offer her mobile number for the next time especially if she knows the guy is still going to be in HCM for a few more days.

Appreciate any comments guys.
[/QUOTE]

Once they get too possessive you don't have much choice but to cut them off.

I stopped taking calls from one gal and then called her about 4 weeks later when I returned. I told her that all the calls and SMS were a hassle and an embarassment at my work. She got the message and backed off.

Others I have had to cut off.

Many of the newer gals in the D1 bars are not yet indoctrinated to the game and can behave quite differently when you deal with them on a private basis.

Viet 1: I think you probably pay very, very well and have gotten great treatment from both of these women you describe as a result, they want to ride your gravy train!

Thanks for your reply Johndao. And yes I guess I did pay well. Never over 1 million dong (and that included a trip on her bike to the hotel and the hotel cost) but I have no complaints I just don’t want a girl to lay claim to my every moment (I want to have any girl any night. Total freedom) and hence I will take the advice of one of the forum guys and just tell her straight up the way it is and she can take it or leave it.

Variety is the spice of life, is it not? . Not to mention the fun of choosing. And after 10: 30pm being on the streets in D1 gets you offers every 10 minutes from girls on the street and on scooters. The clubs situated around the Sheraton can be fun if you want to be able to choose from a group of willing girls and if you want to spend the first 10 minutes feeling each one of them prior to making your selection. If the price is to high just go to the next club. There are soooo many of them.

I do like to read Johndao’s posts as I like the variety and adventure he seems to capture which all adds to the excitement. It’s a little harder when you have no transport except for a taxi although if I knew an area to go to I would just get dropped there and do the rest on foot and then a taxi back again.

Info on any general areas of action would be appreciated and I can take it from there and just a plug for the latest pics on the photo gallery. AWESOME!

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Can anybody tell me where I can find or where they have recently seen either of the two following girls?

The first is Van (I don't have a picture) who often calls herself Vanessa. She is very early 20's, bubbly, friendly, great smile, great English. Slim girl, not tall, rather chubby cheeks, she wears glasses. She has a Mickey Mouse tattoo on her midriff, a tat on her shoulder (forgot what) and a Tiger Tat on her ankle. She could be seen around the CBD area of D1, Dong Khoi, Dong Du. Thanks for any help.

The second is Na (Nga), a real looker, spends 90% of her time and money on clothes, hair, makeup, etc. But a sweet girl. See two recent pictures attached. Thanks again for any help.

I found this girl on the north side of Ng Chi Thanh. I said to her “are we going to a khach san (hotel)?” and sooner had I asked the price for the service than she (about 35yo) hopped on to my bike and told me to go. She was tall and full bodied. These street walkers are often quite old mid 30+ when you see them close but they look young from a distance. But I have encountered young ones before as well.

She directed me to a small hotel nearby. As usual, there were so many guys hanging around the hotel. What do they do? She took 50K VND off me and gave it to the hotel guy. The guy also asked me to give him my ID. I would say “fortunately” I did not bring any ID with me but just had a few 100K sand 50Ks cash in my pockets for the obvious reasons. Even if I had my ID on me, I would not show it.

So I was not allowed in. She took me to another hotel. There she took the same 50K off me and gave it to the hotel, but the hotel wanted another 50K. I had enough of this messing about. I blame the girl. She should have known better. I took her back to where I found her. Can you believe it. She wanted a 50K. No I didn’t give her any money.

Not discouraged by this, I continued to search for a FL. I found Thủy near a Chinese owned (I think) large department store in D5. She took me to a hotel quite far from the place she was standing. She gave the hotel her ID and off we went upstairs (you must take your shoes off first though) She was efficient and effective; a good BJ, good ball sucking and a FS. She is no GFE but this is just a “F**k n Go” business, which I wanted.

In summary
Provider: Thủy (tired looking 24yo)
Body: 3/5 (a few tatoos)
Face: 3/5
Demeanor: efficient but not pushy
Service offered: BBBJ, BL, FS(covered), multiple positions
Overall performance: 3/5
Damage: 250K all inclusive (she said 50K for hotel) Not sure this is the market price or not.
Do I repeat? : maybe

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]I found this girl on the north side of Ng Chi Thanh. I said to her "are we going to a khach san (hotel)? " and sooner had I asked the price for the service than she (about 35yo) hopped on to my bike and told me to go. She was tall and full bodied. These street walkers are often quite old mid 30+ when you see them close but they look young from a distance. But I have encountered young ones before as well.

She directed me to a small hotel nearby. As usual, there were so many guys hanging around the hotel. What do they do? She took 50K VND off me and gave it to the hotel guy. The guy also asked me to give him my ID. I would say "fortunately" I did not bring any ID with me but just had a few 100K sand 50Ks cash in my pockets for the obvious reasons. Even if I had my ID on me, I would not show it.[/QUOTE]Good job Joe. Let me just add that it is better if you scope out some hotels first to take them to. First of all, it's safer. Not that going to a place they choose is unsafe, but your choice is safer. Go in advance and ask if it's ok for you and a girl ST later and set price. Usually 50-70K. Second, rarely do these girls encounter foreigners taking them in that part of town. They don't know the hotel rules against foreigners and locals for the short time thing. It's not their fault, they don't know that you won't be allowed. Third, bring some ID to give the hotel. Almost all hotels require it. You can use your driver's License from home, even an old one. If it looks official like their ID cards and has your picture, they will take it 90% of the time, if they allow foreigners. Or just get something fake made next time in Bangkok. I had a great place on Ng Tri Phuong that I used many times and then suddenly they would not take me anymore. There are lots and lots of places on Su Van Hanh where you can go and also on Ngo Quyen. Le Hong Phong is a little out of the way but some places there too. The place on the side street opposite the Windsor Plaza entrance will always take you for 50k but it is really sleazy and dirty. Hey, where are the pics of Thuy? Girls in that area let me take all the pics I want 95% of the time.

[QUOTE=Johndao]. Or just get something fake made next time in Bangkok..[/QUOTE]


Don't really recommend this as a friend of mine did exactly this, buying a false ID card in BKK with his photo but not his name or country.
Everything was great except he was randomly stopped at customs (can't remember which Asian country--maybe HK?) and when the agents searched all his belongings and found his hidden fake ID, well you can guess he spent alot of time explaining and sweating why his passport said John Doe and his fake ID said William smith.
--just my thoughts from an unfortunate friend's experience.

PT

[QUOTE=Johndao]... it is better if you scope out some hotels first to take them to. First of all, it's safer. ...
Second, ... They don't know the hotel rules against foreigners and locals for the short time thing...
Third, bring some ID to give the hotel....
...
The place on the side street opposite the Windsor Plaza entrance will always take you for 50k but it is really sleazy and dirty.
...
Hey, where are the pics of Thuy? Girls in that area let me take all the pics I want 95% of the time.[/QUOTE]
1/ I dont want to negotiate the ST price with hotels. I want a one-stop shop; i.e how they want to split the money is upto her and the hotel.
2/ This is true. With the first girl, and the second, and the hotels, I was probably the first foreigner.
3/ I will never show my ID. I dont trust them. The information can be used for many things.
Hotels by Windsor - I think the first girl took me to one of them. It wasnt sleazy but greedy.
Pics- I ve never done that, maybe in the future.;)

[QUOTE=Casey2005]Like Parnellcat, I know the importance of having a Vietamese friend who is trustworthy and who will introduce you to some of the naughtier aspects of HCMC. I know a xe om driver. He's not exactly a pimp, but like most Vietnamese males who have grown up here he knows where the locals go to have to fun. He is very friendly and speaks both English and French. I trust him which is saying something since in my experience most xe om drivers will try to rip you off. I'd be willing to share his number. He'll take you to the hot toc and bia om places that the locals frequent. He'll bargain with the owner so that you won't be charged the tourist price. I usually pay him 50,000 VND each time which makes him very happy and which is well worth it since many of these places I would have been unable to find on my own. He has offered to take me down to the Mekong Delta where I understand there are numerous opportunities for FS for only 100,000 VND.[/QUOTE]Hi there,

I know this is old, but I will be in Saigon for up to 2 weeks tomorrow night. I was wondering if you could please share with me any contacts that might help me, and I would greatly appreciate that. Any other spots that you recommend? This will be my first time to Vietnam. I'm from California and with the economy the way it is, what better and cheaper offpeak time to travel.

[QUOTE=Ludwigvanlee]Here are some reviews of places of note discussed in forum as well as general experience

252 Ly Thai To: I came in there with a few friends with a cavalier attitude, expecting 6-7s, or even 5-6s, instead what I find are 2-3s. The women are so old they are already dying their hair. I was very keen on getting some mind you, so I looked every single one at least a few times, and they kept on telling the 'youngest' girl to step up but the youngest was at least 30! The fee was 150,000 dong for entrance, and of course I left, thinking I probably wouldn't even let these women touch me if it was pro bono.

NY Saigon: It should be noted that the girls in these bars usually are interchangeable and they float to the other bars near the area if there isn't enough business. The girls here at NY Saigon were 4-5s. Very friendly and eager to please with the hand in the inner thigh deal. I got a beer, bought every girl a drink, but then ran off to Cali. Make sure you ask about minimum drinks purchased if you are set on taking a girl out.

Cali: The girls here are a hell of a lot better looking than the other bars in the area. I would give them 6-7 with one girl breaking the 7 barrier, but arrogant and not fun to talk to. The temporary mamisan is actually very friendly, forgot her name cause i was too busy getting the rub down from her too. The music is terrible, but the girls are very friendly and some are a little "too" eager to please.

Vien Dong: Massage place that is famous to the locals. The girls here are generally very nice and friendly, with the exception of one girl that I absolutely hated. If you have a girl that doesn't smile right off the bat, ask for another one IMMEDIATELY! There are lots of girls here, there is NO reason you should have to put up with that nonsense. I got the VIP room a few times as well as normal, these girls will do more than hj if they like you and given the right price. Take care of the door guy in the tan uniform, he will send you a beautiful one. I gave him 50,000 after I disliked my first girl and he sent me a stunner who let me do all sorts of things to her and was incredibly nice and funny. Girls range from 6-8, with rare occasional 9.

Volcano and Liquid: I didn't know it but these girls, no matter how sluttily dressed, are not necessarily pros. I'd say they're mostly semi-pros or have very bad fashion sense, but they all got sugar daddies up the wazoo. Luckily, we ran into a really cool dude who introduced us to almost 10 of the girls there (score: 7-9s, mostly 8s). All of them, extremely friendly, but if you want to get to know them, I'd avoid the direct approach unless you're good looking, young, got friends just in case of trouble, and got money.... Just make it easy on yourself, take care of the alpha male of the group, and the whole cupboard will open to you.

Xe Om: So this is the rundown with a lot of these guys, some of them drive girls around all over Pham Ngu Lao. I see the same dudes and girls all the time. They are independent. Then there are the xe oms that get their girls from the local mafia representative. These girls are usually overpriced, as they got 3 chains of fees to go through. But if you like the girl, get their phone number. You can replace a girl if you do not like them. In my opinion the girls that cost $50 and $100 are exactly the same, minus the nicer clothes. I can always tell how long a girl has been doing the biz by how nice her clothes are. The Xe Om guys at the corner of Pham Ngu Lao and De Tham as well as the ones near Cyclo bar are pretty knowledgeable and have connections - but don't let them take you to 252 Ly Thai To!!!! Ask them for 'boom boom' if you are interested.

(Hot Toc: My) on Le Lai: The girls are 5-6s. You have to ask for the private room, where you negotiate what you want to do. The girls are in cute little polka dot dresses. The girl I got was cute, but not talkative, so I didn't want anything.

I've been to others, but the other good places are not in plain sight I can't list them all. The Bia Om places and the "Restaurants" in D1 are a plenty and they have 6-7s that will cater to your whim after you purchase a certain amount of food from the establishment. Just make sure that you negotiate with the girl as well as the mamisan or manager so there is no confusion as to what service you want.

If you want some more info or phone numbers of reliable people I've found in my adventures, you can PM me and I'd be happy to tell you more.

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I was trying to PM you about your above post from a year ago, but it said that you do not allow PMs anymore. I will be traveling to Saigon tomorrow night from California! I was wondering if there were any contacts and number that you could help supply me with to help me out on this trip. If you could, could you please PM me on it or post back. I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thanks a lot!

I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.

[QUOTE=Tom Strander]I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.[/QUOTE]

Dinh Bo Linh is quite a long street. Got any more detail? One shop or several?

It is that stretch where all the girls are visible from outside the shops. I'm just looking for a decent tip amount. I don't want to short the girls but I don't want to overpay like most foreigners do.

[QUOTE=Tom Strander]I usually don't spend a whole lot of time looking around for the best action so I had been going to a massage place with some relatively hot girls. Too expensive though. Anyway, about a month ago I got tired of paying too much and experimented with the hair wash girls on DBL. WOW, that was so much better than the massage places! Was able to finger the girl and had a relaxed BJ with CIM. But not knowing any better the girl kept holding up 7 fingers after the deed was done. I thought she wanted me to pay her 700 so I kept saying NO and then I proceeded to give her 200k. She warmly accepted the money and said thanks very appreciatively. So now I'm guessing she was only looking for 70k (same as the entrance fee) and I over tipped. Right? Well after reading through the forum I won't tip that much again at a hair place. So now here is my question. Should I be tipping 50k, 70k, 100k or the entrance fee amount at the hair places? I hear all sorts of numbers but I want to hear from someone who knows what the actual going rate is. I don't want to up the prices for everyone else but at the same time I want decent service when I return for my next hair wash.

Also, I'd like to thank Johndao for all his input. I've learned a lot.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tom. To answer your question, 100k is a fine tip for BBBJ with CIM at one of these palces. That's all that's needed or expected here. You could get away with equaling the house charge of 60 or 70 or 80k, whatever the places charges. I'd do that if I was unhappy with the girl, like no CIM or a tip-bobbing, spit after 3 bobs type. But these places usually dump those girls pretty quick, so 100k is a fine tip and nobody will be sincerely unhappy with that, although you may come across some whiners/fakers who pretend they are being cheated because the guy looks easy.

Short answer: 100k tip ONLY

Also, as others have mentioned, it would be helpful if you would give better directions to a shop or shops you have used. I don't usually go to DBL because 1) it is far from home 2) it's a one way street, so difficult to cruise back and forth to find a place 3) quite a number of shops are HJ only and it's difficult to determine the BJ from HJ only shops without a lot of trial and error or simply asking up front.

I'd be willing to check one out that does BJ for sure if you give better directions.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Short answer: 100k tip ONLY

Also, as others have mentioned, it would be helpful if you would give better directions to a shop or shops you have used. I don't usually go to DBL because 1) it is far from home 2) it's a one way street, so difficult to cruise back and forth to find a place 3) quite a number of shops are HJ only and it's difficult to determine the BJ from HJ only shops without a lot of trial and error or simply asking up front.

I'd be willing to check one out that does BJ for sure if you give better directions.[/QUOTE]Hi johndao,

Can you please give me a cross street to the hop toc place you are referring to here?

Thanks in advance!

So the stretch of DBL I'm referring to is the area with all the visible girls in the hair shops near where DBL intersects with Bach Dang street. To get to the shop I was referring to earlier, if you start out at the intersection of DBL and Nguyen Xi and drive toward Bach Dang, you don't need to go very far, it's one of the first shops you'll see. Just after the first stop light (I think it is the first). It is across the street from a large (though a little hidden) coffee shop. By the way, if you go in the evening, I suggest you visit that coffee shop across the street when you've finished. It's lit up with green lights out in front. All open air with trees and man-made lakes, streams and a few fountains. Anyway I find it relaxing - I get the rum sec and coke - they don't really have any other alcohol to choose from.

Oh and a word of warning. I just visited that place again yesterday and didn't see the girl from before. I chose another girl that was decent looking but did not receive the CIM - I was a very disappointed because I had been expecting it. I was surprised though that the girl didn't ask for any tip upstairs, instead when I reached for my wallet she just waved me to go downstairs. I wondered if she could see how disappointed I was and wasn't expecting much. When I handed the front desk 150k they wrote down 70k on a piece of paper as if I had given them too much. I paid 150k at the desk (70 to the house 80 to her) and she was very appreciative. I think I'll check out one of the other places next time along that same stretch of DBL later this week.

BTW, I looked for the BJ places you talked about along DBP (I assume Dien Bien Pho) but didn't see any obvious hair wash places except one that another member had mentioned but it looked very dumpy so I didn't expect any cute Vietnamese girls inside (maybe my assumption was wrong). Can you give me a number or intersection?

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Oh, one more thing. If a Hot Toc place does HJ only, what kind of compensation is expected? 50k?

[quote=tom strander]btw, i looked for the bj places you talked about along dbp (i assume dien bien pho) but didn't see any obvious hair wash places except one that another member had mentioned but it looked very dumpy so i didn't expect any cute vietnamese girls inside (maybe my assumption was wrong). can you give me a number or intersection?

oh, one more thing. if a hot toc place does hj only, what kind of compensation is expected? 50k?[/quote]yes, the places on dbp are pretty dumpy and i think most would not appreciate them, correct on no cute girls inside. well, maybe sometimes, but unlikely. dbl is a much better choice, more shops, more girls.

about the tip question above, it's hard to answer. the answer is really that the tip is usually the same for hj or bj, that's why i prefer bj shops. it's not necessarily considered a higher level service by some. often hj places are cleaner and more regulated, with some kind of real massage as well, as in hotel mp or therapeutic health massage, ended with hj. it's not sex, it's relaxation, prostate relief, or whatever. many stunners work in hj only places. they feel safer and cleaner and with almost no risk of disease. they don't think of themselves as sex workers. they may be looking to meet men for much more profitable outside liaisons. they look down on those in bj shops as dirty. but they still expect 100k for their looks, time and service.

i went to a cafe om on phan van tri recently, numer 379. there were two girls working. a tall, pretty, flat-faced girl and a very cute young 18-year-old. the 18 yo was so pretty and wearing lots of makeup for that kind of place. real dirty place. she had her hair up in two round bunches at the top of her head. and she was wearing this funny shiny dark pink outfit, never seen anything like it in vn before. i wanted her in the back but she said she only does does hj, she's new, she doesn't know how to give bj. so i said it was ok, i would teach her to do it. she could do it with her hand but also her tongue and mouth a bit and i would show her what to do. so cute! she and the other girl discussed it and decided against. so i went for some great bj and affection with the other girl who was really wonderful as well. 100k including coffee, all done.

jd

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A little bit of news to brighten our days and nights.

Google Maps now has some decent maps of the streets of Saigon - they seem to extend with some detail past Phu My Hung in the south and up to the Dong Nai bridge.

If you have a street name then searchinf pretty easy and seems to be quite accurate. But if you only have abbreviations like DBG you will still need a street map with an index to figure it out.

Most of the Saigon street name abbreviations I have read used here on the Forum are:

DBP = Dien Bien Phu

DBL = Dinh Bo Linh

HBT = Hai Ba Trung

NPK = Nguyen Phi Khanh

NTMK = Nguyen Thi Minh Khai

XVNT = Xo Viet Nghe Tinh

DK = Dong Khoi

NKKN = Nam Ky Khoi Nghia

PMH = Phu My Hung (This is an area in District 7, not a street)

Any others, just ask me. Yes, the Google Maps are great, I tried them. There are pictures as well if you turn on that feature.

JD

Thanks JD, the list of abbreviations is helpful.

Regarding google maps, that really is helpful - I remember trying to look up addresses about a year ago with no luck - happy to hear they've updated their system.

Just an FYI, there are two other good websites for maps and directions here in VN. They are 1650km.com and diadiem.com. I believe diadiem is most popular with the local people. They're both in Vietnamese only but it's not too difficult to figure out how to use them. Though I guess this information may not be all that useful now that google has updated their maps.

I don't think I've ever seen a woman in HCMC dressed like this on the street in D1 in the middle of the afternoon before.

[QUOTE=Johndao]I don't think I've ever seen a woman in HCMC dressed like this on the street in D1 in the middle of the afternoon before.[/QUOTE]

I can think of two possible explanations. One she is a model going to so promotion or other. Two she has just finished an all-night trick with that guys.

But you are right - even the sluttiest gals dress for the street more demurely than that.

that girl is "viet kieu" I don't think they make that kind of fabric here. There are shorts that short but not in that design or fabric. Nice legs!

I will be arriving in HCMC this week, and staying in district 1. Street is Le Thanh Ton.

Any locals know any interesting places around this area?

I will also be in Nha Trang for a couple of days.

Likewise, any interesting places to visit?

[QUOTE=Columpuss]that girl is "viet kieu" I don't think they make that kind of fabric here. There are shorts that short but not in that design or fabric. Nice legs![/QUOTE]

But shame about her handbag!

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]But shame about her handbag![/QUOTE]Even Vietnamese who are not Viet Kieu can buy goods not manufactured in Vietnam. All the big department stores sell imported brands and Vietnamese often travel to other countries such as Singapore for shopping.

The other possibility is that she is not Vietnamese. Surely not a model, she is older than her body looks and not that attractive, but surely very sexy. Yes, now I know, a Vietnamese would NOT be drinking a cup of coffee while walking.

BTW, has anybody been on the Tiger Airways flights to Singapore? It is like the wh*ore express. If you go to the Singapore thread it is full of guy's experiences with Viet gals at Ipanema and Orchard Towers. Take that Tiger flight and there are literally tens of them all dolled up with big makeup cases and little luggage. Sweet deal for them if they can speak E. Hole up in a cheap room together, hit the bars every night for a few days, earn way more than they would in VN without turning most of it over to someone else, cheap flights, easy money, easy.

Hey, anyone can drop me a line if they like.

JD

Vietnamese girls are very stylist, comparable to European women. That girl is a very typical American. When they try to be stylist, it comes out whorist. I know many of them coming to Vietnam expecting to see sarongs and slanted eyes, find out that the Viet girls are out-dressed, out-smart, and out-beauty them all. When I see Viet girls in the traditional ao dai, I melt. I think the sight is the eighth wonder of the world.

[QUOTE=Columpuss] When I see Viet girls in the traditional ao dai, I melt. I think the sight is the eighth wonder of the world.[/QUOTE]

You mean like this? This a gal who works at duty free at the airport - meeting her first time for drinks tonight.

I think that the Ao Dai is the only thing that makes Vietnam Airlines tolerable.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]You mean like this? This a gal who works at duty free at the airport - meeting her first time for drinks tonight.

I think that the Ao Dai is the only thing that makes Vietnam Airlines tolerable.[/QUOTE]Yes, Ao Dai are sexy. In the north they are so thin, see-thru even. Less skin showing than in Saigon, but more see-thru. Let us know how your date goes.- details please! She's a cutie.

JD

OH YEAH BABY!!

That is exactly what I am talking about. Sometimes I just sit in one of the sidewalk coffee shops in Dist 1 and watch them walking to lunch or such, never get tired of it.
Even the occasion Koreans or Japanese tried to put on the same dress, they might be as thin and fit as the Viet girls, but the whole world of difference. Only the Viet girls can perform justice.
I think they copied the Chinese Cheongsam many moons ago but with a touch of genius, turned it into something much more classy and elegant.

Thanks Sudsoz, I am jealous!

The gal in the pics was a gal from tagged and whilst it was the same girl the photos of her in the ao dai were extremely flattering. Basically she had a very big ass and a very big mouth because she was always talking. I lost interest very quickly.

This is a gal from Saigon/Vung Tau in one of those translucent ao dai that JD was talking about. The one standing is her sister who is married to an oil rig worker and lives in Vung Tau. Sorry guys this one is private.

Columpuss' musings about gals in ao dai got me going as well. Sitting at a sidewalk coffee shop on Dong Khoi and taking pictures of the pretty ones as they walk past can be very rewarding.

One of my unachieved aims is to have one of the massage sales gals on Dong Khoi - I have had a couple that were likelies but circumstances (or other gals) got in the way.

And of course the Hot Chili bar on Dong Do has very pretty gals in ao dai. This place is a travel agent by day. The gals are very demure and there is no takeout but after or before work it is ''up to you''. (love that phrase)

And finally there is NY Saigon (opposite Chili Bar) where the gals used to wear ao dai but now many of them wear other long dresses. These gals are available to take-out.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]And of course the Hot Chili bar on Dong Do has very pretty gals in ao dai. This place is a travel agent by day. The gals are very demure and there is no takeout but after or before work it is ''up to you''. (love that phrase) [/QUOTE]Hey Suds,

Where is Dong Do? I'll check it out if I can find it. Not on my map.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao]Hey Suds,

Where is Dong Do? I'll check it out if I can find it. Not on my map.

JD[/QUOTE]I think Suds meant "Dong Du". Chilli is at #11 (or 21?)

Xin chao

All senior bro. Esp JD

Need yr favour to find a girl around Sheraton Saigon (SS)

There is no way to bring girl go inside SS?

Cam on. Thanks

Note: PM me some contact lo.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Hey Suds,

Where is Dong Do? I'll check it out if I can find it. Not on my map.

JD[/QUOTE]

Dong Du or Dong Do seem to be interchangeable - same street as Sheraton.

New bar next to Chili seems to have same old personnel from Cali Bar.

Hi Johndao,
Tried to PM you with this but you cant receive messages.

I've flown with Tigerair several times before on other routes (mainly between Sgn and Thailand-my 2 main monger destinations) but its not that big a deal in terms of trying to land the ladies. Most of them are in between travels (meaning going or coming home) and not really interested in P4P while on the flights.. If you smile at them they will smile back but thats mostly it (consider them off-duty) so dont expect that much but occasion luck could be on the table for some.
Cheers

PT

Well, just been back a week from 4 weeks in HCMC. Went with my wife and daughter so it was a little hard to get away from family, but I managed a few hours to myself by taking a walk for a few hours during the day. I hang out in Quan 10 when here, so a different area than the rest of you up in Quan 1. I did find a few spots that motogirls frequent and you can get most of them for 200K or less for a couple hours in a local hotel that will probably run around $10 USD. Here's the areas to look at if your in the neighborhood. Cross streets of Su Van Hanh X Hung Vuong X Nguyen Chi Thanh, it makes a little triangle. This is a little park and just hang out there or walk around the street, the girls will stop for you, at least 2-3 an hour and most are 6-8 in appearance and around 22-30 y.o. Just pick and choose. I had 3 different girls there ranging from 19 to 24 y.o. There's a resturant across the street on Nguyen Chi Thanh where you can get something to eat and drink if you get tired of waiting there.
My brother-in-law took me out for some beer and a massage in Quan 3. The massage, steam room, shower was 100K, happy ending by a 22 y.o. 80lb cutie that actually gave a very decent massage was another 200k tip. Normally 100K, but I'm a white guy so got stuck with a raised rate. The place is called Le Duyen and it's on Le Van Sy, but I can't remember the nearest cross street. A taxi guy might know where it is. I found google earth has the best maps of Saigon and you can see online a satellite view too. There were a couple of Hot Toc with massage and some very cute girls on Su Van Hanh near 3 thang 2 street but alas I didn't get to sample.

Happy hunting guys.

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Billy so you were able to get a happy ending at Le Duyen massage? There are a few Le Duyen massage places in Ho Chi Minh and I have never been able to get anything further than touching legs and arms with the girls there? How were you able to get so far at that certain massage place? Anyone else have experience with Le Duyen before? Can you really do other stuff there?..hehe...I went to Le Duyen 4 alot in District 1 and when I left I saw a customer pay 3.5 million dong so I wonder what special services he got...hehe...any input from you guys would be helpful cause some of the girls there are hot and I would love to move on them further...hehe

[QUOTE=B Bardill]Well, just been back a week from 4 weeks in HCMC. Went with my wife and daughter so it was a little hard to get away from family, but I managed a few hours to myself by taking a walk for a few hours during the day. I hang out in Quan 10 when here, so a different area than the rest of you up in Quan 1. I did find a few spots that motogirls frequent and you can get most of them for 200K or less for a couple hours in a local hotel that will probably run around $10 USD. Here's the areas to look at if your in the neighborhood. Cross streets of Su Van Hanh X Hung Vuong X Nguyen Chi Thanh, it makes a little triangle. This is a little park and just hang out there or walk around the street, the girls will stop for you, at least 2-3 an hour and most are 6-8 in appearance and around 22-30 y.o. Just pick and choose. I had 3 different girls there ranging from 19 to 24 y.o. There's a resturant across the street on Nguyen Chi Thanh where you can get something to eat and drink if you get tired of waiting there.
My brother-in-law took me out for some beer and a massage in Quan 3. The massage, steam room, shower was 100K, happy ending by a 22 y.o. 80lb cutie that actually gave a very decent massage was another 200k tip. Normally 100K, but I'm a white guy so got stuck with a raised rate. The place is called Le Duyen and it's on Le Van Sy, but I can't remember the nearest cross street. A taxi guy might know where it is. I found google earth has the best maps of Saigon and you can see online a satellite view too. There were a couple of Hot Toc with massage and some very cute girls on Su Van Hanh near 3 thang 2 street but alas I didn't get to sample.

Happy hunting guys.

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I doubt that it is at LD. Unless the girl broke the rule. These places offer legitimate services and almost never venture down that road. Women also go there for these services. I want to spare the mongers some embarrassing moments when there.

[QUOTE=Jacky33]Billy so you were able to get a happy ending at Le Duyen massage? There are a few Le Duyen massage places in Ho Chi Minh and I have never been able to get anything further than touching legs and arms with the girls there? How were you able to get so far at that certain massage place? Anyone else have experience with Le Duyen before? Can you really do other stuff there?..hehe...I went to Le Duyen 4 alot in District 1 and when I left I saw a customer pay 3.5 million dong so I wonder what special services he got...hehe...any input from you guys would be helpful cause some of the girls there are hot and I would love to move on them further...hehe[/QUOTE]


The place that Billy went too is an actual massage parlor on Le Van Sy. It's in Phu Nhuan District on the way to the airport. The LE Duyen you guys are thinking of is a haircut (hot toc) place. These places do not give happy endings.

Just wondering for a long time already about the girls hanging around the T crossing Nam Ky Khoi and the small Tu Xuong. Whenever I leave office I can see a few very attrractive girls on the street no matter what time. Somewhat I get a feeling they are there on purpose but couldn't figure out whether they just work in the school nearby or if they might be pros? Anyone any idea?

Thx

And happy hunting

[QUOTE=Johndao]BTW, has anybody been on the Tiger Airways flights to Singapore? It is like the wh*ore express. If you go to the Singapore thread it is full of guy's experiences with Viet gals at Ipanema and Orchard Towers..... Sweet deal for them if they can speak E. Hole up in a cheap room together, hit the bars every night for a few days, earn way more than they would in VN without turning most of it over to someone else, cheap flights, easy money, easy.[/QUOTE]Yep spot on. I've known a girl since she was 18 (about 10 years now)! Nasty start when her mother sold her cherry to a rich customer of a restaurant where she was a 17 year old waitress. Then to Apocalypse. Not a word of English. Then freelance out of 32. 5 bar (Who remembers that? It's where KFC is now, corner of HBT and Cao Ba Quat). Then mamasan of a bia om. About 5 years ago started regular trips to Singapore. Just as you say, shared hotel room, Orchard Towers etc. Even had a silver card with Singapore Airlines for a while before switching to Tiger. English a little better now but pretty crap.

She doesn't "work" in VN anymore. Just fed up with all the hassles. Both from hotels, crummy backpackers and blokes that thinks it should be cheap in VN. Works in Singapore for a bit, then returns to Saigon and hangs around 'till she gets bored. Has a couple of regulars from the old days. Doesn't take money off them, so she says (probably they give her something). I suppose the clocks ticking for her. But she seems pretty sensible and is saving for the future.

Hey guys how much do these girls charge in Singapore compared to vn. I am just curious because I was thinking about going to Singapore soon. Thanks again.

As for Le Duyen thanks for the info guys it would have been quite embarrassing if I asked them for a happy ending when they didnt offer it. But I did see a guy pay 3.5 million dong for services and no service there is that much....so I wonder what special service did he get.

[QUOTE=Ngu Ngon]Yep spot on. I've known a girl since she was 18 (about 10 years now)! Nasty start when her mother sold her cherry to a rich customer of a restaurant where she was a 17 year old waitress. Then to Apocalypse. Not a word of English. Then freelance out of 32. 5 bar (Who remembers that? It's where KFC is now, corner of HBT and Cao Ba Quat). Then mamasan of a bia om. About 5 years ago started regular trips to Singapore. Just as you say, shared hotel room, Orchard Towers etc. Even had a silver card with Singapore Airlines for a while before switching to Tiger. English a little better now but pretty crap.

She doesn't "work" in VN anymore. Just fed up with all the hassles. Both from hotels, crummy backpackers and blokes that thinks it should be cheap in VN. Works in Singapore for a bit, then returns to Saigon and hangs around 'till she gets bored. Has a couple of regulars from the old days. Doesn't take money off them, so she says (probably they give her something). I suppose the clocks ticking for her. But she seems pretty sensible and is saving for the future.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jacky33]Hey guys how much do these girls charge in Singapore compared to vn. I am just curious because I was thinking about going to Singapore soon. Thanks again.
[/QUOTE]

There are quite a few freelancers who operate out of Apocalypse in Saigon and Orchard Tower (mostly Ipanema) in Singapore.

Going rate out of Apocalypse is about US$60-80 (say VND1.2 mil or S$120) whereas their asking rate at Ipanema is about twice that although the recession is hitting and they are accepting S$200 or less.

Be aware that these are gals who have seen some money pass through their hands and have the tattoos, the jewelry and the attitude to show for it. Quite different to a regular Saigon girl or one who has recently come from the provinces to work in one of the bars there.

Ajashi, the corner you mentioned in Q 3 is a well known spot, I've taken a few from various parts of Tu Xuong st at night. Usually 200k for a no frills pop. The cops hang around there a bit so they often move to different parts of the st or onto side sts. As you say they're there all the time, at least at night.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]There are quite a few freelancers who operate out of Apocalypse in Saigon and Orchard Tower (mostly Ipanema) in Singapore.

Going rate out of Apocalypse is about US$60-80 (say VND1.2 mil or S$120) whereas their asking rate at Ipanema is about twice that although the recession is hitting and they are accepting S$200 or less.

Be aware that these are gals who have seen some money pass through their hands and have the tattoos, the jewelry and the attitude to show for it. Quite different to a regular Saigon girl or one who has recently come from the provinces to work in one of the bars there.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true, 3years ago you could see 90% of the girls in OT and mainly Ipanema being Fils, it changed to Thais with a few quite nice VN ladies a year later which alreday came with a bit of an attitude (nothing new) and last year there started teh VN invasion which resulted in at least Ipanema being in VN hands now. Was startled first as I was not sure anymore if I can still distinguish them but of course just by the frequency and noice of their chatter you soon now there is not much room left for the occassional visits of other nationalities. The Fils were at that time mostly dressed decently, tight Jeans where the Thais got a bit more open with VN's making the place look like a *****house (ok not only them, but you can see the development) and definetly they don't hide or are hesitant to tell you what business they do and they are typically not interested in more than a plain fuck and out "hey honey ST 300 ok ;-)" never paid more than 150 S$ (1.5Mio) usual 100 and never ever go with any girl giving me the ST question - that's the killer, whereas they typically escape early morning so they won't be seen in their hooker dresses.

happy hunting

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Be aware that these are gals who have seen some money pass through their hands and have the tattoos, the jewelry and the attitude to show for it. [/QUOTE]In the case of my friend a boob job. A jolly expensive one too - done in Singapore. I'm no fan of these things - but I can see now you get what you pay for. It might have had me fooled had I not known her "before".

[QUOTE=Ajashi]Just wondering for a long time already about the girls hanging around the T crossing Nam Ky Khoi and the small Tu Xuong. Whenever I leave office I can see a few very attrractive girls on the street no matter what time. Somewhat I get a feeling they are there on purpose but couldn't figure out whether they just work in the school nearby or if they might be pros? Anyone any idea? [/QUOTE]Tu Xuong near NKKN and on to Le Quy Don is a long-time hangout for streetwalkers, some of them very small and cute. I have only seen them there at night, fairly late, maybe after 9pm or so. You mention that you see them at all times of day and I don't know about that. There are high schools nearby and lots of kids walking around in the daytime. The girls standing around and squatting in the shadows at night will go to a short-time hotel with you for an hour for 150-200k.

Please take their pictures and post them.

JD

[QUOTE=Jacky33]I went to Le Duyen 4 alot in District 1 and when I left I saw a customer pay 3.5 million dong so I wonder what special services he got...hehe...any input from you guys would be helpful cause some of the girls there are hot and I would love to move on them further...hehe[/QUOTE]Possibilities: A) He might be a regular who brings numerous clients there to talk and relax and was paying a tab. B) He might have bought a phone for a girl. Girls who work there are not prostitutes per se, but certainly want to use the opportunity of working there to become something like a 'playgirl', receiving gifts from wealthy customers and 'making friends' and accepting gifts from them. Some Viet guys with lots of time and lots of cash (cadres) will attempt to woo these girls over time with repeat visits, gifts, tips, displays of cash. Eventually they will get the girl out with them, to a hotel, have sex, maybe a mistress type relationship. Lots of possibilities there. It's just not a sex on site shop, it is a place to get male grooming services AND meet sexy girls without much, who are looking for more.

Do be careful along Tu Xuong. It is the only time in Saigon I've been scared. Had been along a few times before without hassles. Really just curious - not really my scene. But last time I was with a VN friend on the bike. We got surrounded by pushy girls (and pimps) on bikes. They got really close and were touching us. We almost crashed the bike. I was convinced it was an attempted robbery, but we got away.

Been walking home every night for the past two weeks and get keep getting hit up by these two FL girls on Pham Nhu Lao. One has glasses, and the other always wears green pants. Does anyone know the two I'm talking about? I'm curious if any of you guys have met them, and could tell me whether they're good or not. I keep meaning to take one home but just never seem to find the time.

[QUOTE=Onigaijan]Been walking home every night for the past two weeks and get keep getting hit up by these two FL girls on Pham Nhu Lao. One has glasses, and the other always wears green pants. Does anyone know the two I'm talking about? I'm curious if any of you guys have met them, and could tell me whether they're good or not. I keep meaning to take one home but just never seem to find the time.[/QUOTE]Oni,

Now you've met them 14 times already. They are poor, they will be cheap. The one in glasses has no money for LASIk or contact lenses, the one in green pants has no money for another pair of pants.

You are on your way home to do what? It sounds like you have time, if you are going home. Just go for it, instead of going to sleep. What you do is agree on a small gift, and take one home or to a hotel. Be sure to bring your camera. Take pictures of her naked and fucking and sucking, then post the pictures in the Photo Gallery and describe what happened. After that, if the report and pics are good, other guys may find them too.

JD

JD you are not faimilar with HCM girls I take it.

Johndao- stay away from the one with the glasses.the skinny one,bit crazy;right?
She girl no good. maybe sick . too sick for me anyway.

"something like a 'playgirl'"

Hey Jd,. I ask because you seem to have some insight.

Can you comment on clubs like Sixteen on Le Quy Don. It seems that you avoid overpriced places where you get milked for money, however 16 has some truly beautiful girls in truly tiny tight skirts. Lots of cleavage on show so maybe worth a look. Also lots of fashion tattoos. Maybe more of your 'playgirls'.

All the customers except me appear to be Vietnamese or Viet Kieu. Seems like the girls don't directly approach the customers but maybe get introduced and then sit with them. Doesn't look like there's much likelihood of further action. Maybe they're content to just sit in close proximity to a girl more beautiful than would speak to them in the real world. You can get a drink for about 60K and there is a pretty good live band. If you're lucky you'll hear this older guitarist/singer doing French stuff rather than a girl singing Abba.

This place and maybe others like it seem a bit different from Catwalk etc. A lot more customers, and again, predominantly Vietnamese. Who are the girls, who are the customers, any chance for an outsider etc?. I can't imagine that the girls are making much money just sitting around.

Also I apologise for the 100 questions but am a little interested in the Viet Kieu scene. Are these guys back on holidays, looking for wives etc. , are they seen as very desirable? Eg. Saw some guy passing each girl 100K after they'd maybe been sitting with them all night, as if he was doing them a big favour. Maybe they get a big cut on the whisky?

[QUOTE=Whisper1]The place that Billy went too is an actual massage parlor on Le Van Sy. It's in Phu Nhuan District on the way to the airport. The LE Duyen you guys are thinking of is a haircut (hot toc) place. These places do not give happy endings.[/QUOTE]Whisper1 is correct. It is a regular massage place. But there are some hot toc places that you can get more than just a massage. Just depends on the girls and who owns the place. Lots of girls on the street, just walk around and they will stop for you. I carry a helmet with me, so no worries about getting stopped and ticketed. I'm looking for a job in HCMC so if anyone knows anything available, message me. I'm a Manufacturing Engineer/Quality Engineer with machining background. I'm currently working as a Six Sigma Black Belt in California, but want to move to HCMC area. I do have a place to live at my in-laws if I find something.

Hi everyone,

I have been a member for about two years now and I really enjoy how everyone helps each other on these forums with all the info. I only wished I could have discovered this place sooner! I was thinking it would be great if we could aggregate all the wonderful info into a centralized location like google maps so we can locate places easier. Please feel feet input any places you been too or recommend. If there isn't any activity on the map, I'll take it down in a week or so.

Thanks everyone!

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=[/url]
117889653351391671868.0004670241eacd923b28b

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Hi everyone,

I have been a member for about two years now and I really enjoy how everyone helps each other on these forums with all the info. I only wished I could have discovered this place sooner! I was thinking it would be great if we could aggregate all the wonderful info into a centralized location like google maps so we can locate places easier. Please feel feet input any places you been too or recommend. If there isn't any activity on the map, I'll take it down in a week or so.

Thanks everyone!

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=[/url]
117889653351391671868.0004670241eacd923b28b[/QUOTE]

The link is not working. I tried making it all one line and a few other ways but no joy.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The link is not working. I tried making it all one line and a few other ways but no joy.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, please try it now: [url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=117889653351391671868.0004670241eacd923b28b[/url]

You have to input the whole url.

Who ever would like contribute to our google map, please pm your email so that i can add you as a Collaborator.

Thank everyone!

[QUOTE=Johndao]Tu Xuong near NKKN and on to Le Quy Don is a long-time hangout for streetwalkers, some of them very small and cute. I have only seen them there at night, fairly late, maybe after 9pm or so. You mention that you see them at all times of day and I don't know about that. There are high schools nearby and lots of kids walking around in the daytime. The girls standing around and squatting in the shadows at night will go to a short-time hotel with you for an hour for 150-200k.

Please take their pictures and post them.

JD[/QUOTE]


Are there ST hotels near this SW hangout (like within a short walking distance of say 1 or 2 blocks?)

And from what I read so far, the ST hotel rates are about $10 or so -is that about the correct price for this area ?

Also but not sure if these places change bedsheets after each customer or they change once a day like most hotels.

Thanks as I may visit this area on my next trip to Asia. but unsure if I want to bring a camera to take pics along to this area while trying to get girls at nite as it seems alot of them from what I read so far (SW and motogirls) are out to pickpocket and steal. So maybe safer to bring as little as possible.

Also, thanks JohnD for the map.

Shark

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]I was thinking it would be great if we could aggregate all the wonderful info into a centralized location like google maps so we can locate places easier. Please feel feet input any places you been too or recommend. If there isn't any activity on the map, I'll take it down in a week or so.[/QUOTE]

This is a great idea. Hope you make it open for editing from everyone and give people more than a week to get the ball rolling. Would be useful to provide a little more info than just the location. For instance, yesterday I walked by Le Vy Beauty Salon at 98 Bui Thi Xuan. Lots of cute girls out front and inside, but I wasn't completely sure what to expect as far as prices. I got a brochure which gave some prices - Shampoo / Massage (2h) for 80,000 dong; Hair cut for 40,000 dong, etc. What can I expect as far as prices for extras? They seem to do legitimate business as at least part of their work. Are there private areas in the back?

Also went by 21 Bui Thi Xuan, but saw no obvious business with ladies.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]This is a great idea. Hope you make it open for editing from everyone and give people more than a week to get the ball rolling. Would be useful to provide a little more info than just the location. For instance, yesterday I walked by Le Vy Beauty Salon at 98 Bui Thi Xuan. Lots of cute girls out front and inside, but I wasn't completely sure what to expect as far as prices. I got a brochure which gave some prices - Shampoo / Massage (2h) for 80,000 dong; Hair cut for 40,000 dong, etc. What can I expect as far as prices for extras? They seem to do legitimate business as at least part of their work. Are there private areas in the back?

Also went by 21 Bui Thi Xuan, but saw no obvious business with ladies.[/QUOTE]It's open to everyone but google requires a person's email to allow access to it. I'll try and keep it open a little bit longer. As for the Le Vy Beauty Salon, there are no extras.... It's legit, but that also depends on the girl you get and your skills. That can be also said about 263 Beauty Salon. My Fiancee's cousin owns that shop and she used too work there. So i know for sure nothing going down there. Plus i never really like the place, looks a little shabby for me.

P.S. If anyone would like to edit our google map site please PM your email. I promise i'm not going to spam you!!

[quote=bartchamdo]this is a great idea. hope you make it open for editing from everyone and give people more than a week to get the ball rolling. would be useful to provide a little more info than just the location. for instance, yesterday i walked by le vy beauty salon at 98 bui thi xuan. lots of cute girls out front and inside, but i wasn't completely sure what to expect as far as prices. i got a brochure which gave some prices. shampoo / massage (2h) for 80, 000 dong; hair cut for 40, 000 dong, etc. what can i expect as far as prices for extras? they seem to do legitimate business as at least part of their work. are there private areas in the back?

also went by 21 bui thi xuan, but saw no obvious business with ladies.[/quote] in hcmc, anywhere around the center of town, if you can see anything that looks like action, looks like there are some possibilities inside, then you can be sure there is nothing happening. just pretty girls displayed under bright lights to lure customers in for a hair wash and face massage and clothed body massage in a common room with other guys. or at a cafe, they will just sit and talk with you as you drink coffee.

outside the city center, it can be different, you may see girls sitting outside or can peer into dingy cafe om or massage om places where the girls will blow you for 100-150k. but these are nowhere around the center of town where rules are strict. just look at how the bars on hbt operate. closed doors at all time in the evening when the girls are there, doos open a bit as a guy or guys walk by, try to pull them in, then closed again. this is not bangkok!

jd

Totally agree 100% with the post below.

I've been searching for many years for an 'all in one' place in D1 downtown and there are none. The hair cut places and even massage places are very limited in actions in D1. Must go further out which makes it a hassle for quick fixes.

The girls who work in 'hair cut' places don't really consider themselves as sex workers, rather they see themselves as female company. They don't have sex with everyone and most don't even go further than chit chat. It's up to the skill of the individual in order to get some.

For them, sitting around looking pretty beats sweating it out as a waitress, cause roughly that's how much they would earn per month without 'extras'.

Some ok hoc toc joints on DBP, D7, Duong 2. Bit too far for regular visits.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]yesterday I walked by Le Vy Beauty Salon at 98 Bui Thi Xuan. Lots of cute girls out front and inside, but I wasn't completely sure what to expect as far as prices. I got a brochure which gave some prices - Shampoo / Massage (2h) for 80,000 dong; Hair cut for 40,000 dong, etc. What can I expect as far as prices for extras? They seem to do legitimate business as at least part of their work. Are there private areas in the back?

Also went by 21 Bui Thi Xuan, but saw no obvious business with ladies.[/QUOTE]

All the hair saloon places ( Le An Xuan St, Bui Thi Xuan St, Truong Dinh St etc etc) in the city do not provide extras. Having a girl scantily dressed does not equate it to being a joint that offers extra. These are all legitimate businesses.

As JD mentioned, it is used to attract customers. It depends on your skills to get to know her better and maybe date her out but that does not mean she will still sleep with you.

Standard Services are:

Hair Wash & Massage (Commom / Shared area)
Facials
Mani & pedi
"Ear Waxing"

[QUOTE=Macheath]"something like a 'playgirl'"

Hey Jd,. I ask because you seem to have some insight.

Can you comment on clubs like Sixteen on Le Quy Don. [/QUOTE]

Club 16 is a very common concept in HCMC. There are quite a few more around the area, with and without a live band

Techinacally, it is not a club. It is more of a bar. The girls you see are hostesses. They are there to accompany customers. The guy you saw giving money to the girls are tips. Same as Catwalk. Only difference is that Catwalk caters to mostly foreignors whereas 16 caters to locals.

and you are right that the girls dont earn much. In fact they dont have a salary and they depend totally on tips. They also use this opportunity to try and find someone that will "take care" of them.

Many Viet Kieus are returning to Vietnam for business ventures / investments. The Viet Govt has changed certain policies where by it makes it easier for them to return.

There are also many Viet Kieus who save money and come back to Vietnam for a long holiday and when they run out of cash, they head back home.

Sorry everyone, I haven't got the interest as I thought I would have and someone "Timothy" deleted ALL the info I added for everyone. Also he felt it was appropriate to add his own home to the map! ? ! So as of today, I'm closing it down. Thanks everyone.

It was nice while it lasted!

[QUOTE=Newbie]Club 16 is a very common concept in HCMC. There are quite a few more around the area, with and without a live band

Techinacally, it is not a club. It is more of a bar. The girls you see are hostesses. They are there to accompany customers. The guy you saw giving money to the girls are tips. Same as Catwalk. Only difference is that Catwalk caters to mostly foreignors whereas 16 caters to locals.

and you are right that the girls dont earn much. In fact they dont have a salary and they depend totally on tips. They also use this opportunity to try and find someone that will "take care" of them.

Many Viet Kieus are returning to Vietnam for business ventures / investments. The Viet Govt has changed certain policies where by it makes it easier for them to return.

There are also many Viet Kieus who save money and come back to Vietnam for a long holiday and when they run out of cash, they head back home.[/QUOTE]I don't like to go to these kinds of places. I don't appreciate the atmosphere or the music, the expection that you should buy expensive 'XO' and mix it with ice and Coca-Cola, the high tips for doing nothing really other than looking pretty and selling you something. What's the point, I am looking for sex, not a smoky, loud bar and expensive alcohol.

[QUOTE=Tom Strander]So the stretch of DBL I'm referring to is the area with all the visible girls in the hair shops near where DBL intersects with Bach Dang street. [/QUOTE]

Hey what is a good time to explore these? What time do they close?

Tom Strander & JohnDao,

I just tried PM'ing you 2 but you aren't able to receive PM's.

Wanted to mention that I've been in that DBL area but haven't really explored it too well. Actually I was picking up a girl occassionally over a year ago -- she worked in a hotel in that area, and apparently would be available at the hotel up until when she got off in the evening, then she'd work on the street, which was where I found her. I never did go check out that hotel again, other than the one time I went there with her.

It's a shame you guys don't have PM, because I tend to think it's not a great idea to post the actual address up here publicly.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Hey what is a good time to explore these? What time do they close?[/QUOTE]They are usually open from 10am to about 10pm. Some may close at 9 or 9:30pm, others maybe 11pm but that would be late.

Just went to see what the state of the HBTEtc. bars was. A lot of them are shut this evening. Not sure how long that's been going on, if it's a one time thing or has been happening lately (don't go there these days). I asked at one, on LTT (Bin Bin) and was told they open at 9pm. Very strange. The ones that were open barely had any hostesses working.

For example, 91 was totally closed on Sat at about 7pm. 35, 49 and 51 open but hardly any girls. Bin Bin and Tia To on LTT totally shut.

[QUOTE=Johndao]I don't like to go to these kinds of places. I don't appreciate the atmosphere or the music, the expection that you should buy expensive 'XO' and mix it with ice and Coca-Cola, the high tips for doing nothing really other than looking pretty and selling you something. What's the point, I am looking for sex, not a smoky, loud bar and expensive alcohol.[/QUOTE]Jd,

I get your point, and certainly if you're looking for sex the negotiation is going to be a lot different from more up front places and no doubt more expensive. But the girls are definitely going for the sexy look and can't believe that they're not experienced or would not expect to be propositioned.

On the atmosphere also I agree that 16 is not so welcoming, almost get the impression they're thinking you've wandered into the wrong place. And not like I'm dressed like a hobo or looking like Quasimodo. On the music. Actually the band's are all pretty good, always good guitar and bass, and sometimes get a gem like good singer or horn player. Also good band at Crystal. Probably on par with Yoko band. On Pham Ngoc Thach, problem is choice of music but 90% + of all music is crap anyway. Even at Yoko you have to endure Alanis Morissette type stuff.

I'm an ex smoker so can be very smoke conscious but the better places seem ok. Maybe because high ceilings and good aircon. Some of the drinking bars like M52, Polo etc are unendurable for me. Especially when some big dick lights up the cigar. I've tried other places like Saigon Face and can't work it out. Almost empty, full of security, ear splitting crap music with hero dj's, girls sitting around not doing anything? Been to Catwalk a few times and definitely can pick up, but most of the girls actually aren't that attractive. Just dressed up. To tell the truth I occasionally check out these places on the off chance of finding a different look. Tall, sexy pretty, with a nice bum etc. Pretty hard to find this type in Saigon. Maybe need to go to Hanoi. Amazing how ordinary the girl can look when out of the dress, high heels and makeup. But still manage to get fooled over again.

Might be dreaming but ideally would like to occasionally go somewhere to have a drink and listen to some live music, maybe have a chat with the sexy girl of choice and score a date later if it looks like it could be fun. I'm interested in what you think the Viet Kieus, or even if they are Viet Kieus, are after, assuming that you're not typical but would have an insight. Seems like a lot of big noting. Buying the overpriced bottle of whisky, fruit platters etc. As I mentioned before it looks like they're not big tippers. If the girl is only going to make a couple hundred k per night with all the effort of dressing up, make up etc and having to put up with sitting next to someone they wouldn't talk to in the real world, then hardly seems a worth while occupation.

Incidentally got to disagree with you about the girls on Tu Xuong. The ones I've seen at night look fairly poor, rough and desperate. Maybe even homeless. I wouldn't recommend trawling in this area.

Hi there everyone, I am new to this board, however I am living in HCMC for about 4 years now and know my way around the non-pro scene. Actually I live in the far north of HCMC, District 12, it is in no comparison to any girls you find in the city.

Well, I just wonder, are you guys simply only interested to pay girls for sex or do some of you actually prefer to meet young beautiful and lovely girls on the street?

Ok, don't get me wrong, I know how it is when you get to a new country or perhaps simply are on vacation here. I am calling out to some guys in my age range (30. 35) who perhaps like to go on a special tour around the countryside. I am doing it often and you will explore a complete new world. I know my way around and more or less do speak Vietnamese. If it sounds like an invitation for a paid tour, sorry, no, it isn't. I am simply a guy who is tired of going around alone and is willing to show nice opportunities around here. The clock is ticking differently here.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Just went to see what the state of the HBTEtc. bars was. A lot of them are shut this evening. Not sure how long that's been going on, if it's a one time thing or has been happening lately (don't go there these days). I asked at one, on LTT (Bin Bin) and was told they open at 9pm. Very strange. The ones that were open barely had any hostesses working.

For example, 91 was totally closed on Sat at about 7pm. 35, 49 and 51 open but hardly any girls. Bin Bin and Tia To on LTT totally shut.[/QUOTE]

This may be due to the fact there are 2 major Public Holidays coming up soon. 30th April / Victory Day and 1st May / Labour Day. During these times, the possibilities of raids are very very much higher. Most places will operate but they will be very guarded. These activities always happen close to Major Public Holidays.

Hey Guys

Though usually I don't have time to try for the GFE on short visits, my trip to HCMC last week gave me a chance. I was staying at the Park Hyatt, so I knew they were tough about bringing in girls.

But I had 'met' a 28 year old online who had seemed very interested in meeting, sent sexy pics, and then asked me to get her something as a present to give her when me met for coffee on Monday. I knew that was a good sign, since all the girls usually ask for a gift if they don't ask for money.

So Monday we meet for coffee, I give her my gift, and we are chatting away. Hit it off. She suggests we go for a walk, so we go outside, holding hands, and she wants to kiss. Finally, she looks at me and says words that every guy dreams of: "I am really horny. Do you think we could go to a hotel? "

HAHA. Cooly saying yes, off we went. Found a short term place and debated all night or short term, went for 4 hours. Wonderful time of sex, two pops, and very hot.

We arrange to meet the next day for dinner at my hotel, thinking maybe we could sneak upstairs from the restaurant to my room at 7 or 8:00. It worked! So she got to spend all night with me at the Park Hyatt on Tuesday. OMG, we f***ed all night. Guys, I am in my 40s. I don't think I ever came 5 times in one night, but this girl had me going wild from 8-1:00am and then again at 6:00am, and one of the best nights of sex I have ever had.

Yes, kinda worn out for work on Wednesday. Hehehe.

We meet again Wednesday night for dinner and music, then she takes me back to her place, which is nice and better than I expected, so we f*% there for a few hours, then I go home. Great GFE.

Then Thursday, we went out for spa early, then upstairs to my room at Park Hyatt around 8 for a quickie before the security guys throw her out. Sure enough, got a call at 10 asking for her to go.

An amazing week, and now I have my go-to girl in HCMC. And to think, I had almost given up hope!

[QUOTE=Macheath]Buying the overpriced bottle of whiskey, fruit platters etc. As I mentioned before it looks like they're not big tippers. If the girl is only going to make a couple hundred k per night with all the effort of dressing up, make up etc and having to put up with sitting next to someone they wouldn't talk to in the real world, then hardly seems a worthwhile occupation.[/QUOTE]The girls get commission on the price of the drinks and fruit (especially the drink) so that is the tip.

While individual standards might vary, tips of 100,000 to the girl are considered normal in places like these for reasonably good service and company.

To leave no tip at all, they'd be thinking, "why did I have to get stuck with this loser." I'm not sure this is the image you want to be aiming for.

[QUOTE=Timlooblue]Hi there everyone, I am new to this board, however I am living in HCMC for about 4 years now and know my way around the non-pro scene. Actually I live in the far north of HCMC, District 12, it is in no comparison to any girls you find in the city.

Well, I just wonder, are you guys simply only interested to pay girls for sex or do some of you actually prefer to meet young beautiful and lovely girls on the street?

Ok, don't get me wrong, I know how it is when you get to a new country or perhaps simply are on vacation here. I am calling out to some guys in my age range (30. 35) who perhaps like to go on a special tour around the countryside. I am doing it often and you will explore a complete new world. I know my way around and more or less do speak Vietnamese. If it sounds like an invitation for a paid tour, sorry, no, it isn't. I am simply a guy who is tired of going around alone and is willing to show nice opportunities around here. The clock is ticking differently here.[/QUOTE]

Timlooblue, tried to pm you but your account doesn't accept pm's. How can someone get in touch with you?

Regarding my previous post asking why some bars were closed or near empty. It was a combination of factors:

1. As Newbie suggested, the holidays have turned up the heat on these places, and that explains why fewer were in some bars

2. The owner of 3 of the bars had a wedding, so those 3 were closed until late in the evening, opening at 9 or 10. I learned this from one of the ones at 91 a few nights later when it was open again at its normal time.

I cruised past DBL last week -- I have to say my first impression is very mixed. Might go look again more closely but I wasn't seeing much that was too tempting.

There's a certain hotel in that area that I'm pretty sure has girls who are available for massage in a room plus extras, and those extras might be very special. If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll forward the details.

[QUOTE=Macheath]Might be dreaming but ideally would like to occasionally go somewhere to have a drink and listen to some live music, maybe have a chat with the sexy girl of choice and score a date later if it looks like it could be fun. I'm interested in what you think the Viet Kieus, or even if they are Viet Kieus, are after, assuming that you're not typical but would have an insight. Seems like a lot of big noting. Buying the overpriced bottle of whisky, fruit platters etc. As I mentioned before it looks like they're not big tippers. If the girl is only going to make a couple hundred k per night with all the effort of dressing up, make up etc and having to put up with sitting next to someone they wouldn't talk to in the real world, then hardly seems a worth while occupation.[/QUOTE]I like to go to 17 Saloon on Pham Ngu Lao. Great Philippino band, good mix of expats and locals. Reasonably priced drinks and always a table of Vietnamese cuties getting hammered. Certainly a few freelancers there giving you the eye.

[QUOTE=Newbie]This may be due to the fact there are 2 major Public Holidays coming up soon. 30th April / Victory Day and 1st May / Labour Day. During these times, the possibilities of raids are very very much higher. Most places will operate but they will be very guarded. These activities always happen close to Major Public Holidays.[/QUOTE]Guys, I think it should be obvious to everyone who 'owns' or 'runs' the HBT bars. No, there is no possibility of raids there.

JD

[QUOTE=Johndao]Guys, I think it should be obvious to everyone who 'owns' or 'runs' the HBT bars. No, there is no possibility of raids there.
JD[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I'd agree it's obvious who owns or runs those places. Do you think you know who does?

[QUOTE=Johndao]Guys, I think it should be obvious to everyone who 'owns' or 'runs' the HBT bars. No, there is no possibility of raids there.[/quote]Not sure if it is 'that' obvious. If you are referring to the local Jacks then I'd disagree, cause HBT bars do get raided/inspected. When you see the girls in overcoats once in a while, then you know there is a shakedown.

Shady business are never 'owned' by the Jacks, they just make sure that all is kosher.

[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes]Not sure if it is 'that' obvious. If you are referring to the local Jacks then I'd disagree, cause HBT bars do get raided/inspected. When you see the girls in overcoats once in a while, then you know there is a shakedown.

Shady business are never 'owned' by the Jacks, they just make sure that all is kosher.[/QUOTE]

Right. There are raids there, plenty. I've been present for a few. The bars have guys outside watching out for them all the time they're open. If there's one thing that's obvious, it's that they're not owned by the local... um... Jacks.

I don't mean to come across as harsh or slamming in some of my recent posts. Sorry if I did. I realize people come here to talk openly, whether its to share opinions or facts -- and that can sometimes get a bit dicey, especially when the fact is based on a feeling rather than solid evidence, so something like a mixture of opinion and fact. It's understandable, and hard to resist posting about if you have a strong gut feeling. It's just that gut feelings can be wrong. And yes they can be right too.

I just wanted to set the record straight so people don't have the wrong ideas about some of these things. Just some recent postings struck me as wrong info being shared.

Regarding the last few previous postings, I would tend to agree with Wendella and Mash Potato.

Gossip is one of the biggest and more well established clubs in HCMC. A share was given to a "Jack" as an incentive to facilitate the licensing process. Things in there were getting too hot (Most popular disco to pick up) in there till even they had to be to be shut for 3 months by the authorities.

[QUOTE=Newbie]Regarding the last few previous postings, I would tend to agree with Wendella and Mash Potato.

Gossip is one of the biggest and more well established clubs in HCMC. A share was given to a "Jack" as an incentive to facilitate the licensing process. Things in there were getting too hot (Most popular disco to pick up) in there till even they had to be to be shut for 3 months by the authorities.[/QUOTE]The disputes at these places are not so much about the nature of the business itself. They are internecine (characterized by struggle within a group, usually applied to an ethnic or familial relationship; conflict within a group or organization) disputes about money and control.

Think of the vast profits, think of the levels of control: Ward or street level, District level, City level, National level.

[QUOTE=Timlooblue]Hi there everyone, I am new to this board, however I am living in HCMC for about 4 years now and know my way around the non-pro scene. Actually I live in the far north of HCMC, District 12, it is in no comparison to any girls you find in the city.

Well, I just wonder, are you guys simply only interested to pay girls for sex or do some of you actually prefer to meet young beautiful and lovely girls on the street?

Ok, don't get me wrong, I know how it is when you get to a new country or perhaps simply are on vacation here. I am calling out to some guys in my age range (30. 35) who perhaps like to go on a special tour around the countryside. I am doing it often and you will explore a complete new world. I know my way around and more or less do speak Vietnamese. If it sounds like an invitation for a paid tour, sorry, no, it isn't. I am simply a guy who is tired of going around alone and is willing to show nice opportunities around here. The clock is ticking differently here.[/QUOTE]Hi Timlooblue,

I'm interested in the tour. Lets get a drink sometime.

I've been living here for about 7 months. I'm in my 30s.

I'll be in town from May 10-16.

If anyone's down to meet, send me a PM.

I'm an Asian-American in my mid 20s.

Tried to PM you but it says you have chosen not to receive PM's
Contact me if you want more info on VN

[QUOTE=Peter Gun]I'll be in town from May 10-16.

If anyone's down to meet, send me a PM.

I'm an Asian-American in my mid 20s.[/QUOTE]

I'm getting ready to head out of town but wil be back on the 18th for another month or so. If anyone wants to meet up for drinks and whatnot send me a PM.

I'm an American, mid-thirties. Visit VN a few times a year but haven't spent much time in HCMC for a while.

[QUOTE=Member #2234]Tried to PM you but it says you have chosen not to receive PM's

Contact me if you want more info on VN[/QUOTE]I forgot that a subscription is required for Private Messaging. Maybe we can just arrange a public get-together in this thread and make it open to anyone who wants to meet other like-minded people.

I'll be the first to suggest a place and time -- Highlands Coffee shop at the corner of De Tham and Pham Ngu Lao, District 1. Maybe tomorrow afternoon (Monday), or even tonight!

On a 2 day visit to Vietnam for the first time. I am in Ho Chi Minh City and have 2 free nights :) Really found the girls to be pretty. Can any one here help me out.

[QUOTE=Timlooblue]Hi there everyone, I am new to this board, however I am living in HCMC for about 4 years now and know my way around the non-pro scene. Actually I live in the far north of HCMC, District 12, it is in no comparison to any girls you find in the city.

Well, I just wonder, are you guys simply only interested to pay girls for sex or do some of you actually prefer to meet young beautiful and lovely girls on the street?

Ok, don't get me wrong, I know how it is when you get to a new country or perhaps simply are on vacation here. I am calling out to some guys in my age range (30. 35) who perhaps like to go on a special tour around the countryside. I am doing it often and you will explore a complete new world. I know my way around and more or less do speak Vietnamese. If it sounds like an invitation for a paid tour, sorry, no, it isn't. I am simply a guy who is tired of going around alone and is willing to show nice opportunities around here. The clock is ticking differently here.[/QUOTE]Hello Timlooblue,

I am in Dist 12 too, knowledge is one of the few things which actually increase volume when shared.

You cannot receive PMs, feel free to PM me for further contact. I will be happy to share.

Hey guys,

Was wondering if there is any good places like the DBP Hot Tocs that offer FS during the day?

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]Hey guys,

Was wondering if there is any good places like the DBP Hot Tocs that offer FS during the day?[/QUOTE]No, there aren't any, sorry to say.

JD

Yesterday was a day I could enjoy some free time and freedom.

So started early afternoon, went to my favourite Cat Toc place, 76 Pasteur St, in district 1. I have been a regular there for years taking opportunity to get contact with nice hot chicks while being groomed and massaged. There are, I would estimate more than 20 girls working there, most of them good looks, and nice manners. They do mostly massage and shampoo, in open rooms with mobile partitions, you can also get haircut and manicure.

This is not a P4p place, no extra services are provided there, but if you know your way and sweet talk the mamasan and the girls you can make delightful contacts and date them outside working hours for whatever leisurely activity you and the girl may fancy. It requires, of course minimum operational Vietnamese language skills. I called mamasan to announce my coming, and she introduced a lovely young lady, who gave me three hours of hair wash, massage and cuddling. The chick is hot, arrangements have been made for further encounters.

A lovely time, three hours of relaxation, the bill: 300 000 excluding tips, including haircut, manicure, shampoo and massage.

This was a great opening and put me in the mood for further action, this time with immediate result. I went to check Bar 29, on 29 Dong Khoi St, dist 1. I am not really a regular there but have been there several times in the course of years and these people have a good memory.

I like this bar because atmosphere is relaxed with a good choice of music for people my generation, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Crosby Stills. And for the straight forward going with the girls.

The talent there is average to good, and spirit great. Here they know what a customer is coming for and proposals for out-take come promptly.

Get there, take a seat order your beer, oppose girls to come sitting with you too prompt to let you have a look on the available talent. Take time, observe, talk to the bar tender, make your choice, invite her for a drink, you are in business, discuss the conditions.

The bar fine is 6 LDs at 50k dongs each. Best bet is to go to the hotel you choose, this avoids you overpaying the bar’s choice place. Then for 1M dongs excluding hotel, you should be able to negotiate an LT, make sure, if you are not familiar with the game, that you define the service and conditions before accepting a deal.

I will not tell names nor details there either, since I would be talking about individuals, and these things are personal, performance and satisfaction vary considerably according to personalities; as always in these circumstances they are in proportion of the consideration you give to your provider and to the interest you are able to raise for you. Be open-minded, relaxed and smile. This is the key, do not expect super service to come automatically, just because you pushed the door open and pay for service. This will get you great mileage and satisfaction.

I just don't get it. There is a global financial crisis and in most places the prices for gals are getting cheaper but in Saigon they keep on going up!

Last year at Bar 29 I was getting LT for VND 1.0 mil and this year it has been squeezed to VND 1.2 mil and now RD is paying VND1.3. The new bar Cocos want VND1.2 for ST!

Guys - the key to this is negotiation. Don't just convert to US$ and think 'that's cheap'. Whatever they offer try to get 30-40% off it.

This is Vietnam after all and everything is negotiable multiple times.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I just don't get it. There is a global financial crisis and in most places the prices for gals are getting cheaper but in Saigon they keep on going up![/QUOTE]Yep. That's the topsy-turvy world of VN bar girl economics. There is a group of girls I have known for about 10 years now. Originally out of Apocalypse. Some got married, some work in Singapore etc. We often chat about these things.

At least when they started, their thinking was that "to do like that" is wrong, but licensed by a particular need. Eg support a lazy father, kid etc. In one case it was pay for AIDS drugs for a brother.

So they have an idea of how much cash they need. When clients are abundant (ie demand high) they were OK about charging less money. But during a quiet season when there is oversupply, they charge more for an individual job. Because they've got to get The money in.

Hi m8 email me if you wanna meet up for a coffee [email]iphonecds2008@yahoo.co.uk[/email]


[QUOTE=Peter Gun]I forgot that a subscription is required for Private Messaging. Maybe we can just arrange a public get-together in this thread and make it open to anyone who wants to meet other like-minded people.

I'll be the first to suggest a place and time -- Highlands Coffee shop at the corner of De Tham and Pham Ngu Lao, District 1. Maybe tomorrow afternoon (Monday), or even tonight![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerSeymore] Best to head over Nguyen Hue and get a hotel away from plain clothes police who hang around Ho Huan Nghiep, Dong Du, Mac Thi Buoi, HBT, Thi Sach and Thai Van Lung – where all the action is. [/QUOTE]Is this advice still relevant? Is it not ok to live close to the action?

Where is the best place to go to see a big number of streetwalkers and get offers?

If one were to stay for a few months what would the right strategy be? (I am not saying it is me but it could be).

Keep your ass parked in one of the shady hotels for the entire time?

Rent an apartment? A serviced apartment is out of question - one, because the curfew applies to them too and two, because they are way out of range for a months long mongering budget. Money spent on babes is productive, money spent on renting is not. If the apartment happened to be in a residential neighborhood would the surrounding Viets get freaked out upon seeing constant flow of Viet hunnies? Would they steal my stuff? Is there a curfew law for apartments too?

Park yourself in one of the surrounding areas, like Vung Tau, Nha Trang, whatever else? They seem to be really cheap.

[QUOTE=Asswrestler]Where is the best place to go to see a big number of streetwalkers and get offers?[/QUOTE]Nguyen Chi Thanh St. in D5 around midday, then again after dark. Lots there, and lots you will not want. Look carefully though, you will find something good. 150k-250k only.

[QUOTE=Asswrestler]Where is the best place to go to see a big number of streetwalkers and get offers?[/QUOTE]
On Nguyen Thi Minh Khai st. by the zoo.

[QUOTE=Member #2234]Hi m8 email me if you wanna meet up for a coffee [email]iphonecds2008@yahoo.co.uk[/email][/QUOTE]Anyone want to meet up this weekend for coffee and perhaps a look at the local talent?

[QUOTE=Nail The World]If one were to stay for a few months what would the right strategy be? (I am not saying it is me but it could be).

Keep your ass parked in one of the shady hotels for the entire time?

Rent an apartment? A serviced apartment is out of question - one, because the curfew applies to them too and two, because they are way out of range for a months long mongering budget. Money spent on babes is productive, money spent on renting is not. If the apartment happened to be in a residential neighborhood would the surrounding Viets get freaked out upon seeing constant flow of Viet hunnies? Would they steal my stuff? Is there a curfew law for apartments too?

Park yourself in one of the surrounding areas, like Vung Tau, Nha Trang, whatever else? They seem to be really cheap.[/QUOTE]If you decide to live in VT, NT or anywhere else, your options for mongering are very limited. Well more so than living in the "big city".

As far as living in HCMC, if you are only going to stay a few months there are a few options. 1) look for a shared housing apartment with other foreigners (all male) would be smart, and they are generally in a reidential area. However, there is a small problem. If you have nosy neighbors, Vietnamese LOVE to rat people out. It is illegal to have VN women stay overnight in foreigners homes, so if they catch you and don't like you or what you are doing, they will report you and the police will make a visit. NOT fun. 2) you can rent a room in a GF hotel, and there are tons in the PNL area, that will rent you a room for between 175-300 USD/mo. They will generally clean your room daily or weekly, some offer free breakfast daily and they all usually have tv, private bath, hot/cold water, air con etc...all the basics.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]Anyone want to meet up this weekend for coffee and perhaps a look at the local talent?[/QUOTE]Me :)

I come to Saigon next week.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I just don't get it. There is a global financial crisis and in most places the prices for gals are getting cheaper but in Saigon they keep on going up!

Last year at Bar 29 I was getting LT for VND 1.0 mil and this year it has been squeezed to VND 1.2 mil and now RD is paying VND1.3. The new bar Cocos want VND1.2 for ST!

Guys - the key to this is negotiation. Don't just convert to US$ and think 'that's cheap'. Whatever they offer try to get 30-40% off it.

This is Vietnam after all and everything is negotiable multiple times.[/QUOTE]Do you mean that a ST can cost 55 euros ?

How much does a ST , a LT cost in Ho Chi Minh City?

Thanks by advance.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45] If you have nosy neighbors, Vietnamese LOVE to rat people out. [/QUOTE]

Thanks Alwayshard, that's what I had thought. It's understandable that you can't have everything, so I guess putting up in a room is not that bad an option if it ensures safety.

[QUOTE=Babar]Do you mean that a ST can cost 55 euros?[/QUOTE]ST for $70?

They can kindly f*** off. Why would I go to Vietnam if that's the case? I will stick to other things that look good like beaches.

This evening I was wondering around HCMC looking for something new. Not the same old things I have been doing for a few years now. I wondered onto NTMK and headed towards the zoo. I was headed towards DBP hot tocs and maybe massage places as I have mentioned in previous posts. I went passed Nguyễn Bĩnh Kiêm and noticed a bunch of girls on motorbikes without helmets. hmmm. This screamed out to me as girls looking for fun. I went onto the bridge and pull over just before Nguyễn Ngọc Phương (the first street after the bridge ends) and just posted up there. I ended up chatting with some guy on the side of the road who was there for god knows what. But it was entertaining conversation. Right about there is where most of the girls circle around to go back up NTMK to look for more "clients". So you get a good look at all the girls as the slow down. Let me tell you guys something. There are A LOT of hotties here. Well, atleast in my opinion. Of course you have your standard haggered old laidies, a few fat ones, but mostly there is a lot of quailty over here. MUCH better than off of Nguyễn Đinh Chiểu/NKKN area.

I stopped one girl passing, as I thought she was the hottest of the bunch, and asked how much. At first she asked 700k for 1hr. and I tried with all my might not to laugh and say way too much, and I did, but she could see I wasn't going to pay that. We agreed on 300K plus 75K for the hotel, which ended up being 100k. So total 400k for 1hr, but ended up being about 1:45-2 hours all for the same price with both the girl and hotel. Sorry guys, no pics, as I wasn't planning on picking a girl up, but rather just go to a blow-n-go type place.

As far as service of my girl she was great. BBBJ with DT; slow and attentive; very responsive to the body ect. Of course, I know this is all YMMV, however, I was pleased. I will go back again, and next time with a camera.

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[QUOTE=Babar]Do you mean that a ST can cost 55 euros ?[/QUOTE]For sure. Today I was out with five girls I know. They won't go with any customer under 200$ for ST. They have like 6-7 clients each every week. So there are people who does everything to rise the price for all of us. Koreans mostly.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]I stopped one girl passing, as I thought she was the hottest of the bunch, and asked how much. At first she asked 700k for 1hr. and I tried with all my might not to laugh and say way too much, and I did, but she could see I wasn't going to pay that. We agreed on 300K plus 75K for the hotel, which ended up being 100k. So total 400k for 1hr, but ended up being about 1:45-2 hours all for the same price with both the girl and hotel. Sorry guys, no pics, as I wasn't planning on picking a girl up, but rather just go to a blow-n-go type place.[/QUOTE]These girls can speak some english or only vietnamese?

In bars and clubs from Ho Chi Minh City (where freelancers hang out), are pants shirt, and dress shoes required for entry?

Thanks by advance.

[QUOTE=Babar]In bars and clubs from Ho Chi Minh City (where freelancers hang out), are pants shirt, and dress shoes required for entry?

Thanks by advance.[/QUOTE]In Vietnam you should always wear pants (or shorts) and a shirt. Nudity and half nudity is not acceptable, even though it is hot. You should never wear a dress, VNese will not understand that. Also, yes, wear shoes or sandals at all times, there are many sharp objects around. I always wear shoes or closed toe sandals.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]These girls can speak some english or only vietnamese?[/QUOTE]I would say yes, generally, they speak enough english to ask you if you want "boom-boom" and negotiate. I would not expect to have full conversations with many of them. Also, I speak enough Vietnamese to not ever worry about that. But generally, they always approach you with the little bit of english they do know.

[QUOTE=Babar]In bars and clubs from Ho Chi Minh City (where freelancers hang out), are pants shirt, and dress shoes required for entry?

Thanks by advance.[/QUOTE]

In general, the better you dress, the better you'll be looked upon in bars and clubs by Vietnamese. Keep in mind that a club or disco is an expensive night out for Vietnamese, so of course they get dressed up. Shorts are considered much less polite than long pants, and not appropriate for anywhere you would go out for the evening. Same goes for sandals. If you showed up in t-shirt, shorts and sandals, they'd figure you were a clueless foreigner, not much class.

Now I'm not sure how strictly these rules apply to talking elephants like yourself. ;)

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]If you have nosy neighbors, Vietnamese LOVE to rat people out. It is illegal to have VN women stay overnight in foreigners homes, so if they catch you and don't like you or what you are doing, they will report you and the police will make a visit. NOT fun. [/QUOTE]

The rule also applies to Locals, not only foreignors. I have personally experienced it.

[QUOTE=Wendella]In general, the better you dress, the better you'll be looked upon in bars and clubs by Vietnamese. Keep in mind that a club or disco is an expensive night out for Vietnamese, so of course they get dressed up. Shorts are considered much less polite than long pants, and not appropriate for anywhere you would go out for the evening. Same goes for sandals. If you showed up in t-shirt, shorts and sandals, they'd figure you were a clueless foreigner, not much class.

Now I'm not sure how strictly these rules apply to talking elephants like yourself. ;)[/QUOTE]
I agree. If you dress like business men, you'll be better served in restaurants & clubs. They generally think only poor people wear torn clothes. It's more true in the countryside.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Nguyen Chi Thanh St. in D5 around midday, then again after dark. Lots there, and lots you will not want. Look carefully though, you will find something good. 150k-250k only.[/QUOTE]I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?

[QUOTE=Playsafe]I agree. If you dress like business men, you'll be better served in restaurants & clubs. They generally think only poor people wear torn clothes. It's more true in the countryside.[/QUOTE]The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.

[QUOTE=Rob Doobing]I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?[/QUOTE]Coming from D1, That's where NCT branches off Hung Vuong. It is about 500 yards of that stretch. Some stand on the left hand side, and some cruise on scooters up and down the stretch.

Do's and Don'ts

1. Avoid the woman on a pushbike with a mask on (ask her to remove the mask, she would refuse)

2. Avoid the monkey faced young gal who stands on the edge of the road.

3. Never ever pay in advance.

4. Fees = dont give more than 250K (50 for ST hotel, 200 max for her) I think 200K is already an inflated price.

5. They operate in the time spent basis. the above fees are for 15~20mins.

6. Bring your own condoms (their's tends to be too small)

7. Some ST hotel request your ID.So take your ID with you if you are willing to take risk for your personal info leaked or worse, if something goes wrong and you left your ID(passport) with the hotel, you may not get it back.
(When asked, I always say I dont have it. gal would take you to another ST hotel, and if they dont allow you in without ID, then that's tough. Try another day)

8. Dont compromise on your preference. If you think she is ugly, fat etc, then she will behave in that manner. Trust your instinct.

9. Dont get mad if gal suddenly turns into starfish. (That's why you dont pay in advance) Just give her a bit of money and leave quietly.

[QUOTE=Rob Doobing]I went to check out there around midday. No sign of any activity. This is a very long street though, could you clarify which section is active?[/QUOTE]This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]
If you don't know the market price, whether you're a backpacker or a local, the seller will try to overcharge you anyway.

[QUOTE=Johndao]See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.JD[/QUOTE]
The locals call it Nga Sau Nguyen Tri Phuong.

This area has long been a pick up place since the early 80s or & before all the hotels were built. The locals used to come here to get HJs right at the park.

It's not the safest area to be around, especially at night. I almost got robbed by motorbike thieves at night on Ngo Quyen & Nguyen Chi Thanh a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]The thing is though, if you dress like a business man, then they charge you 10 times more of the real price they charge Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]Anyone care for a little hyperbole? WHere to start. OK, how about here. Which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's possible this guy is making it up as he goes.

[QUOTE=Playsafe]If you don't know the market price, whether you're a backpacker or a local, the seller will try to overcharge you anyway. [/QUOTE]The person who asked the question was asking about bars and clubs where freelancers go. So we're talking about places like Gossip, Volcano, etc. It's just not true that a customer is going to be charged more if they dress well in a place like that. 10 times the price? No, not even 1.05 times the price. But it's not totally clear if its the club or the freelancer he's referring to. But even if it's the girl, do you think wearing shorts and sandals in Gossip is going to get you some kind of 'locals' discount with a girl? That's silly.

There's people here who have expertise in certain segments of the scene, but not as much in others, and I wouldn't challenge them on what they say about those areas they know well if I don't actually know the score myself. This sounds to me like someone making comments on a scene he doesnt' really know that much about. Or else just venting. Not sure. Maybe he just really hates dressing up well.

[QUOTE=Wendella] Which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?[/QUOTE]Tan Son Nhat Airport. 70-80K for a fresh coconut. 50K for a 500ml water.

Thats the only place I know that charges 10X the price, however thats for everyone, not just locals.

[QUOTE=Johndao]See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD[/QUOTE]I drove around NCT a few times today around 1pm. Didn't see anything. I'll try again. I did see some attractive girls sitting at a couple cafe's at the red arrow. What is the approach here? Park the bike, sit at the cafe, order a drink and see if they approach?

BTW, I live in D5 so any recommendations in this area would be very appreciated. Right now I am driving over to Da Kao Market area for the Hot Top fun. I'm usually happy there, but it is a long drive.

[quote=wendella]anyone care for a little hyperbole? where to start. ok, how about here. which place is it that charges ten times the price they charge locals?

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's possible this guy is making it up as he goes.[/quote]well , quite touchy, isnt he.

what difference would it make if it is 2, 3 times 5 times, 10 times?

jeez, here is someone who takes "everything" literaly in this type of forum.

there is an expression called "a figure of speech".

[QUOTE=Johndao]This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD[/QUOTE]I got lost once in this area at night and so riding slowly got approached by several mb girls - general impression is older or very young, ordinary/poor looking and not going for the sexy look. Also many standing on footpaths of the same type. The street is also quite dark and to me didn't have a good feel to it. Haven't been there during daytime but have never noticed mb girls or street walkers anywhere during day time.

The other obvious areas for mb girls are/were on NTMK from Nguyen Binh Khiem to the Thi Nghe Channel, and then street girls standing on the bridge, and then over the channel up to where the road turns into XVNT. The two strips with mb girls are distinctly separate (if not a tautology) with the girls doing u turns and basically doing laps up and down their strip. Conservatively I'd estimate that there would be 15-20 girls cruising this area at any one time. Plenty of times I've seen girls handing off money to pimps, or maybe mb owners, swapping bikes with other girls etc.

Last time I went this way, at night a couple of weeks back, seemed like they'd disappeared from NTMK to the channel, and they're digging up the road from over the bridge so makes it difficult for mb cruising. My opinion was that these girls were mostly late teenage to early twenties, generally good looking, going for the sexy look - also this area is well lit so can see well what's on offer. These girls must have moved to a different strip - probably near by but don't know where.

Nearby is the area with best looking mb girls - on Nguyen Binh Khiem from Nguyen Dinh Chieu to the roundabout on Dien Bien Phu. Until quite recently used to be about 10-15 at a time cruising this strip, again doing laps and also turning into the first smaller street on the right after NDC. These girls ask for 500k, of course can negotiate, and hotels in this strip will take 100k although usually ask for 200 - just laugh and they'll give in. Also never give any ID - the girl will have to give hers but they'll let you in if you go to walk away.

Used to go to a good seafood place a lot on Nguyen Van Thu and would regularly ride down NBK, but cute waitress has moved on and so have I so don't visit so often. Last time I went past a couple weeks back there will still girls cruising this strip but seemed quieter. My guess is that there's another street/streets in this area where they've moved to. Requirement would be a medium size two way street that doesn't have too much traffic.

Going back a few months a couple of times I saw most of the girls congregated together on their mbs on the corner of little street off NDC - looked kinda like a union meeting with them all talking - would've been after 10pm. One time I think there would have been about 15 girls together so gives an indication of how much action is/was here. I don't think you'll get ripped off around here, and these girls are territorial so could always find them again, although you'll definitely be quoted higher price than in District 5. Also I never noticed any other western punters in these areas.

On dress code have to agree with JD about wearing shoes - even the hippies in Pham Ngu Lao are shod. I disagree however that you need to be well dressed in clubs. In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.

Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?

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[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]2) you can rent a room in a GF hotel, and there are tons in the PNL area, that will rent you a room for between 175-300 USD/mo. They will generally clean your room daily or weekly, some offer free breakfast daily and they all usually have tv, private bath, hot/cold water, air con etc...all the basics.[/QUOTE]Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.[/QUOTE]

There is a chain of hotels called E & M who have been reported by others to be GF. Over near Ben Than and also in Thi Sac area.

[QUOTE=Macheath]In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.[/QUOTE]
I must tell you that those men in shorts & sandals are Viet Kieus who either hardly ever get to go out in a foreign land or those who want to show everyone that they are Viet Kieus. I have seen Viet Kieus wear shorts to weddings as well. I can't stand them guys.

Local Vietnamese men don't wear shorts & sandals to expensive clubs like Gossip, of course, generally speaking.

[QUOTE=Macheath] Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?[/QUOTE]That's what's called 'Bia Om.' An Duong Vuong and streets off the avenue are loaded with them. Also TQK and tens of other streets around the center and other districts. Says "Nha Hang" (restaurant) but only motorbikes visible at first floor with a bunch of guys around, often pink lights. Bia Om -- Literally "Hug Beer".

[quote=joe nailer]well , quite touchy, isnt he.
what difference would it make if it is 2, 3 times 5 times, 10 times?
jeez, here is someone who takes "everything" literaly in this type of forum.
there is an expression called "a figure of speech".[/quote]

what you seemed to say was dressing smart (pants, shoes) would result in getting charged a lot more. the places we were talking about are ones like gossip and volcano. wearing shorts and sandals to those kinds of places won't help you get better prices. that's bad advice. maybe you didn't realize it when you wrote it, or didn't realize what kinds of places we were discussing. the prices you'll be charged there will be the same whether you wear shorts or pants -- the only difference would be that it's a lot tougher to be given the time of day dressed in shorts.

[QUOTE=Macheath]
Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?[/QUOTE]

These are KTV's without the KTV System if you catch my drift. I would make a guess that most will operate without KTV licenses hence they call themselves a "Nha Hang" Restaurant.

Vietnam is a bit strange, if you want to sell hard liquor (whisky, brandy etc) you can only do so if you have a restaurant licence. If you want to apply fro a KTV Licence, the only alcoholic beverage you can serve is beer. Go Figure...

Anyways, they have PRs who will attend to you. When you arrive into the room, they girls are paraded infront of you for your selection. After you select your PR, waiter normally brings in a full menu for you to order food to eat because afterall, you are in a "restaurant"

Depending on District, tips can average anywhere from VND100k and up.

If you request to sing song, they will roll the system into your KTV room. Most of these places do not offer any action in the rooms. Mostly for Take-Out.

As for the places in Tran Quang Khai, it is the same.

Use to frequent these places alot when I first came 3 yrs ago. Now I hardly go. If you want a list of places, PM me.

Advice, try not to order spirits as most times, these places will sell you fakes.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]There is a chain of hotels called E & M who have been reported by others to be GF. Over near Ben Than and also in Thi Sac area.[/QUOTE]

eeeerrrrr.....

I think you meant to say A & Em???

Drove down NTC today at 12 noon. As soon as I turned onto it from Huong Vuong I was approached by a girl on a motorbike. She was wearing sunglasses, mask, helmet. Couldn't see her any better if she was the invisible man. Didn't feel like doing anything, but at least now I know I'm in the right place.

Still haven't figured out the old woman pimp place on Ngo Quyen. Are the pimps on motorbikes, in the cafes, in that little plaza? You can pm me if it is not publishable.

[QUOTE=Newbie]eeeerrrrr.....

I think you meant to say A & Em???[/QUOTE]

Beg pardon - I think there is a link in the HCMC hotels thread.

Yesterday I walked around in the backpacker area and at tran hung dao.

You should pay attention at tran hung dao (from no.1 to 130) many girls on motorbike (alone / with mamasan / with pimp)

It was about 9.30 to 10 pm, if you go out at this time, you will see many of them. Past 11.30 /12pm business seems to be finished.

I asked for a price, all of them answered 9-10 usd (so about 180.000vnd) for a st fuck (1h). Whoa, thats cheap! (some girls are really young, some seem to have drug problems. My rating: 6-8, 1 was a 9.5. Should have taken her

But I wasnt in the mood for action. And the price seemed to be very low. For hotel they wanted to charge 5usd, after I refused, they told me "no pay for hotel".

Strange, I cannot believe, they do it so cheap!

Anybody have experience at this place?

[QUOTE=Johndao]This street is crawling with action at Midday. On motorbikes, bicycles, standing around, sitting around. Open your eyes, look carefully. Beware, there is lots and lots of what you don't want here. Follow my advice and Joe Nailer's advice. Choose carefully, make them take the mask off and no money up front. I can tell you there is nothing dangerous here. The worst is just that she is ugly or has a terrible body. Hotels are 50-100k for an hour only. Girls get 100 at the lowest and up to 200k. Bring some kind of ID like a home country Driver License. Even an old or expired one.

See my map attached. The blue line shows the NCT action. This street is very crowded with students and others at midday to confuse things. Observe for a while, you will see what is going on.

The red arrow. This shows where a small group of older female pimps sells young girls (18 and 19) for 200k for a quick pop. Some of the girls are pretty cute. But don't expect much performance. In fact, on this whole strip don't expect much at at all, choose carefully and on average, 3 out of 5 times you will be pleasantly surprised.

JD[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?
Thanks

[quote=now finished]yesterday i walked around in the backpacker area and at tran hung dao.

you should pay attention at tran hung dao (from no.1 to 130) many girls on motorbike (alone / with mamasan / with pimp)

it was about 9.30 to 10 pm, if you go out at this time, you will see many of them. past 11.30 /12pm business seems to be finished.

i asked for a price, all of them answered 9-10 usd (so about 180.000vnd) for a st fuck (1h). whoa, thats cheap! (some girls are really young, some seem to have drug problems. my rating: 6-8, 1 was a 9.5. should have taken her

but i wasnt in the mood for action. and the price seemed to be very low. for hotel they wanted to charge 5usd, after i refused, they told me "no pay for hotel".

strange, i cannot believe, they do it so cheap!

anybody have experience at this place?[/quote]it's impossible to walk down tran hung dao from town to the pham without being approached by at least a couple and maybe up to six motorbike girls, not to mention the pimps. many of the "girls" are boys and hang around the park near the market.

of the real girls who are generally offered for $10 by the mama riding the bike many/most may be ****, although viet girls all look young, and i agree many are attractive or at least fresh looking. but who in their right mind thinks they're going to get sex for $10 from an attractive young girl? if this was genuine they'd be picking up backpackers at go to bar. i always tell them $10 is too cheap and they get the message.

what will happen. the mama will get off the bike and the girl will take you on the back to a seedy "hotel" near the river, which you'll have trouble finding again, and you'll get robbed while you're in the shower or having a "massage". the thief will be an accomplice at the hotel, the mama who was riding the bike, or someone else contacted for the purpose, who will sneak into the room while you're occupied. i doubt whether there will be any violence intended but always the possibility. i doubt whether you'll even get sex. the most a quick hand or blow job.

i think hcmc is generally a very safe place and am not paranoid at all, but this is one definite scam which has been going on in this area for at least the last two years. i would be surprised that the police haven't interfered but for the fact that the victims would generally be unharmed except for the theft, and too embarrassed to report the incident.

tran hung dao at night is also a danger area for pickpockets. generally a not particularly attractive woman will approach asking where you're going etc. make a grab for the goolies, and then pick your pocket while you're protecting yourself. before you know what's happened she'll be on the back of a motorbike usually ridden by a male accomplice and away. if you're lucky will only lose a cheap phone like me last tet, unlucky will be wallet or camera. my advice even to the pacifists amongst us is to adopt an agressive pose before she gets within a couple of metres and yell at her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.

not wanting to state the obvious but also bag snatchers on motorbikes around here, usually young guys. my gf, actually i. ashamed to say i was holding it, had the new handbag snatched a couple of weeks back on co giang. fortunately the handle broke and they got nothing. gf got a broken bag. would have got i phone, money, id and all the other crap that girls carry. i should know better by now than to be holding a bag on the street side in such a vulnerable manner. classic definition of tempting fate. maybe also a lesson to me from above. to man up and refuse to carry the handbag. at least i can say it wasn't in broad daylight in parkson like those other poor saps.

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[QUOTE=Sharka]Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Gal will take you to a ST hotel they are familiar with. Gals and hotels may be operating together. They know a few places around that area. So you dont need to worry about that.

Gals will keep an eye on time as a hotel room is rented by minutes. You can stay with her in the room for the money you agreed to pay. So she is very keen to finish as quickly as possible, which may result in a bad service.
I think it's 50K for 15 minutes.

You can try to take a gal to your hotel/your apartment, if it's near enough?

[quote=macheath]of the real girls who are generally offered for $10 by the mama riding the bike many/most may be ****, although viet girls all look young, and i agree many are attractive or at least fresh looking. but who in their right mind thinks they're going to get sex for $10 from an attractive young girl? if this was genuine they'd be picking up backpackers at go to bar. i always tell them $10 is too cheap and they get the message.

what will happen. the mama will get off the bike and the girl will take you on the back to a seedy "hotel" near the river, which you'll have trouble finding again, and you'll get robbed while you're in the shower or having a "massage". the thief will be an accomplice at the hotel, the mama who was riding the bike, or someone else contacted for the purpose, who will sneak into the room while you're occupied. i doubt whether there will be any violence intended but always the possibility. i doubt whether you'll even get sex. the most a quick hand or blow job.

i think hcmc is generally a very safe place and am not paranoid at all, but this is one definite scam which has been going on in this area for at least the last two years. i would be surprised that the police haven't interfered but for the fact that the victims would generally be unharmed except for the theft, and too embarrassed to report the incident.

tran hung dao at night is also a danger area for pickpockets. generally a not particularly attractive woman will approach asking where you're going etc. make a grab for the goolies, and then pick your pocket while you're protecting yourself. before you know what's happened she'll be on the back of a motorbike usually ridden by a male accomplice and away. if you're lucky will only lose a cheap phone like me last tet, unlucky will be wallet or camera. my advice even to the pacifists amongst us is to adopt an agressive pose before she gets within a couple of metres and yell at her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.

not wanting to state the obvious but also bag snatchers on motorbikes around here, usually young guys. my gf, actually i. ashamed to say i was holding it, had the new handbag snatched a couple of weeks back on co giang. fortunately the handle broke and they got nothing. gf got a broken bag. would have got i phone, money, id and all the other crap that girls carry. i should know better by now than to be holding a bag on the street side in such a vulnerable manner. classic definition of tempting fate. maybe also a lesson to me from above. to man up and refuse to carry the handbag. at least i can say it wasn't in broad daylight in parkson like those other poor saps.[/quote]
that's some great advice there. on the south side of tran hung dao is a dangerous place to be at night. you better off stay on the bui vien side & there are plenty of girls hanging around go 2 bar.

i never like the idea of getting on the back of the girls/guys motorbike. if i do have to go with them, i would just take a xe om.

saigon is a pretty safe place, if you take the usual precautions like in any big city.

These places are 'bia om' places





[QUOTE=Newbie]These are KTV's without the KTV System if you catch my drift. I would make a guess that most will operate without KTV licenses hence they call themselves a "Nha Hang" Restaurant.

Vietnam is a bit strange, if you want to sell hard liquor (whisky, brandy etc) you can only do so if you have a restaurant licence. If you want to apply fro a KTV Licence, the only alcoholic beverage you can serve is beer. Go Figure...

Anyways, they have PRs who will attend to you. When you arrive into the room, they girls are paraded infront of you for your selection. After you select your PR, waiter normally brings in a full menu for you to order food to eat because afterall, you are in a "restaurant"

Depending on District, tips can average anywhere from VND100k and up.

If you request to sing song, they will roll the system into your KTV room. Most of these places do not offer any action in the rooms. Mostly for Take-Out.

As for the places in Tran Quang Khai, it is the same.

Use to frequent these places alot when I first came 3 yrs ago. Now I hardly go. If you want a list of places, PM me.

Advice, try not to order spirits as most times, these places will sell you fakes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sharka]Thanks for the map and info by you and Joe Nailer,

Have read back a little and still unsure where the ST hotels are located once I pick up a potential treat along this stretch of road. Can you point out on the provided map where some ST hotels are located or do I rely on the pick up gal to direct me to one?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Sharka,

I have really tried to be helpful here with my info and making the map for you and everything and this is not intended to be a flame or anything, but there must be at least 3 DOZEN short-time hotels within a 100 meter radius of the described area. So if you are really still 'unsure' where they are, maybe go back and have another look, they are everywhere. If you still can't see them, maybe you are just better off at the $100 bars along lower Hai Ba Trung where the short-time tourists go and where things come to you rather than you looking for them.

JD

PS: I met and had one of the cutest young (1989) girls ever there this week. What a surprise! One of her makes 3 duds worth it. 200k.

[QUOTE=Playsafe]That's some great advice there. On the south side of Tran Hung Dao is a dangerous place to be at night. You better off stay on the Bui Vien side & there are plenty of girls hanging around Go 2 bar.

I never like the idea of getting on the back of the girls/guys motorbike. If I do have to go with them, I would just take a Xe Om.

Saigon is a pretty safe place, if you take the usual precautions like in any big city.[/QUOTE]The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JD

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Still haven't figured out the old woman pimp place on Ngo Quyen. Are the pimps on motorbikes, in the cafes, in that little plaza? You can pm me if it is not publishable.[/QUOTE]They are not there any more. Haven't yet figured out where they moved to but you can be sure it is somewhere!

JD

[QUOTE=Milkweed]BTW, I live in D5 so any recommendations in this area would be very appreciated. Right now I am driving over to Da Kao Market area for the Hot Top fun. I'm usually happy there, but it is a long drive.[/QUOTE]Try the Hot Tocs on Ngo Quyen north of Nguyen Chi Thanh St in D5. Nearer your home. Right-hand side of NQ going north.

JD

I stay outside the city and when I visit it's usually only have a few hours. Last week I got away a few times a headed to the BHT strip. The rates quoted ranged from 700k to 1mil for full-service in hotel (bj up stairs was 500k). All four times I paid 500k plus 200k for the room. All stayed over three hours (all the time I had) and banged the whole time. I realize this a bit on the pricey side but if you're tourest or short on time it isn't bad.

The one thing that concerned me was one of them tried to fuck without a condom. It was after we fucked twice and she tried to slide it in while lying in the spoon position. I'm not sure if she already had something she wanted to spread or what but either way be careful. Don't remember her name but she worked at the last bar on the right closest to the river (35 maybe).

Hello,

I'm going over to Ho Chi Minh City for a week and have a couple of questions regarding the "scene" over here.

1. From what I understand the standard price for short time is 100 000 - 200 000 Dongs correct?

2. Longtime price: The double as short time?

3. The girl friendly hotels the girls usally know off and you should just let them take you to one they know of. You pay by the minutes at these hotels and usally one hour is between 50 000 - 100 000 Dongs. You also have to leave some kind of id prefferably an id you might be okay with loosing. This info correct?

4. It seems there are no redlight districts like in Thailand, Singapore and so on. You can pick up the girls where or do they have massage parlors a la Bangkok style meaning you pay for a room and some massage treatment and then pick a girl? You then later decide with the girl in the room what you want to do?

5. What places would you recommend for picking up some real VN hotties?

6, Taking girls back to your real hotel is a no no?

7. Seen talk about a curfue is there one over there that I should know about?

8. Standard scams/things I should look out for to be safe?

9. Dress in pants, nice t-shirt or shirt and good looking shoes will get you treated better at most places correct?

If you only feel you can answer one or two questions please do! I'm positive your answers could help a lot of fellow mongers and not just me.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Johndao]The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JD[/QUOTE]These place are certified rip off establishments. Their business model is to fleece customers. They are prepared to not see you again. They bank on new visitors.

I expected the prices to be high and these were the sure shot place for me to try out to test the market. I am originally from India, now I work in California, and I had to see what the market was like for given my experience with Thai girls. I had tried Thailand two years ago for a mongering mission and found the market hostile to Indian mongers. That trip to Thailand would also be my last.

Few nights ago I stepped into bar 49, all eyes lit up with half surprise and half smile "he looks different but what the heck he must have money". I was immediately grabbed by a small girl with big tits. What a difference from Thailand where the first pick wouldn't even come close! She had a script. "Your name", "Where from", "Go to hotel". What pissed me off was "You want two girl? ". I played along with her script, I had to see the full cycle first and then decide whether I will stay in Vietnam or fuck off from here. She was about 6-7, short with big natural tits, I might have picked her myself. There were 7s all around, all doable but no stunners. 900K for the girl, 300K bar fine, bartender tip, taxi, hotel, hotel drinks. $100 for short time. This is not mongering.

Next day bar 91. All 7s and below. Rate offered was 1.1m + 400K bar fine. This seemed like a good time to walk out so I did. Round the corner there was bar NY Saigon. They wanted me to get in the day before so I obliged them today. Found a tall girl, didn't speak a word of English, had to communicate through mamasan, seemed pretty service oriented, already kissed the hell out of me before making the deal. This short time cost me 1.3m + drinks. I brought her to my hotel which is girl friendly. This is not the right kind of mongering I am doing. So far it is OK because I can say I was also testing the market. But now the market has been tested and I see that it is open to Indian mongers, not ruined yet by cheapo brethren.

Now is the time to take it up a notch and explore the interiors, or all those roundabouts and roads that have been discussed. I don't drive but I found a motorbike guy who spoke reasonably good English. I've got his number, I will call him when I can get my phone to turn on. I am sure as hell not calling anybody from the hotel phone.

[QUOTE=Johndao]The two places or parts of HCMC I would never visit for mongering are:

1) The bars on lower Ha Ba Trung and vicinity because of high prices to management for girls and drinks. The girls get very little but you will be out $100+

2) The Pham Ngu Lao/Bui Vien/Tran Hung Dao area because rip-off artists and scammers are most attracted to this area as there is so much easy prey around.

Both these areas have two things in common: Lots and lots of foreigners and lots of tourists or short-time visitors.

However, if you are a tourist or visitor on a short trip and you don't mind spending $100 plus then there is nothing wrong with visiting the D1 bars along HBT and vicinity. It's easy, it's safe, you don't have to think much or work hard or explore or speak Vietnamese. You just have to pay more than $100 for a girl, all told.

JD[/QUOTE]

JD - I am a lazy bastard and sometimes use takeout from these bars. The freebie shop girls etc can just get to be hard work sometimes. I also find that asking for the new ones often gives me a line to a freebie when they quit the bar and go back to a legit job.

Anyways I want to encourage guys to negotiate as I believe that $50 can still be had for ST and $70 is still possible for LT. But you have to pitch low and not give in too quick. It helps to actually buy the mamasan a drink.

Nothing near as cheap as you are getting in the Districts but this is in the comfort of my hotel.

[QUOTE=Babar]Me :)

I come to Saigon next week.[/QUOTE]I can join if any get together is planned now. I am already here and available & exploring.

Are there bars elsewhere away from the lower HBT rip off bars? There has been some discussion of bars outside of D1 but I couldn't find a mention of street stretches or general areas that can be explored for bar possibilities similar to how there is mention of mb populated areas.

I went searching for mb girl streets yesterday but because of miscommunication with the mb driver I ended up somewhere completely different. I did manage to get my cell phone repaired for 200K, got myself rubbed and tugged at the only place I found, saw a multitude of greeting card shops one after another, got myself inquisitively looked at, inquisitively looked at a lot of Vietnamese cuties and generally saw Vietnam. Today I will ask the driver to strictly follow the fucking street names I give him.

Right now in Ho Chi Minh but have no idea where I can go for some "fun". Would greatly appreciate if someone could give me a few tips/general information.

Any info is much appreciated!

Well, sooner or later I had to do it, it happened to get done last night.

What an extraordinarily poor selection. All 4s with a couple barely pushing 6. I was determined to patronize them just because it's been mentioned so many times in this forum. What didn't occur to me was that I could have pulled out and did it some other day. Later I saw a gentleman walk in, exchange pleasantries at the bar, throw his hands in the air, walk around swiftly and then make a you turn. What a tactful monger. I should have done the same.

The ugly chick who grabbed me won't leave. "No problem" she said and kept standing. Then she tried to suggest a girl, "I can suggest better because I know them". "No! I want to do it myself". Pointing fingers raises expectations and if you don't follow through it breaks the heart, somebody gets disappointed even before you have started, and that's what she was doing.

I went to the mamasan, asked for the short time rate. She was confused like she has never been asked before, "the girl would know". Ok, "you got a new one? ". "Yeah, but she won't speak English". "No problem". Mamasan waved her hand and a 4 stood up and walked over smiling, she had lips of Mick Jagger. Considering that they were playing "Start me up" it was a right fit.

"Discount. Only for you. 500K. Normally 800K. You're the first customer". This was going to be all inclusive. Now I know what that girls running around outside with burning paper in hand was about. I really was the first customer. Then I saw mamasan burning incense sticks at the door and folding hands. Upstairs in the pigeon hole boom boom ensued. She was a champion performer. Strangely, they have seats for two boom booms to happen in that cave. Later she begged and got 100K. On the way out mamasan slapped a lady drink and the bartender wiped out the change, "tip". All this had a feel of desperation to it. But overall I got almost the same thing with much less money spent. I don't think it makes a difference if you screw a 4, 5, 6 or 7. You'll probably forget a 7 the next morning and forget a 4 rightaway.

My quest for a 9 is still on.

[quote=joe nailer]

gals will keep an eye on time as a hotel room is rented by minutes. you can stay with her in the room for the money you agreed to pay. so she is very keen to finish as quickly as possible, which may result in a bad service.
i think it's 50k for 15 minutes.

you can try to take a gal to your hotel/your apartment, if it's near enough?[/quote]

15minutes!! damn, that's about the total time it'll take me to undress and redress again let alone getting it up, and finishing the deed. i guess i better practice on a quicker hand job so i could be ready for the "speed deed" when the time cums -ha ha.

since hotels are mentioned (the regular live in kind and not those 15min st hotels), does anyone know of any decent but fairly inexpensive ones near this area?

pt

[QUOTE=Johndao]Sharka,

I have really tried to be helpful here with my info and making the map for you and everything and this is not intended to be a flame or anything, but there must be at least 3 DOZEN short-time hotels within a 100 meter radius of the described area. So if you are really still 'unsure' where they are, maybe go back and have another look, they are everywhere. If you still can't see them, maybe you are just better off at the $100 bars along lower Hai Ba Trung where the short-time tourists go and where things come to you rather than you looking for them.

JD

PS: I met and had one of the cutest young (1989) girls ever there this week. What a surprise! One of her makes 3 duds worth it. 200k.[/QUOTE]


Actually, I'm not trying to tick anyone off as I said did some reading back but just wasn't sure if the ST hotels were close by in this area or not. I think you are assuming I am in country and walking or biking around HCMC exploring already but I am not. I'm just gathering intel/ info for my upcoming trip in about 2 months, just not keen on going to ST hotel places that may or maynot exist or be directed down a blind alley. But I did thank you for the map of area.

Shark

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Well, sooner or later I had to do it, it happened to get done last night.

What an extraordinarily poor selection. All 4s with a couple barely pushing 6. I was determined to patronize them just because it's been mentioned so many times in this forum. What didn't occur to me was that I could have pulled out and did it some other day. Later I saw a gentleman walk in, exchange pleasantries at the bar, throw his hands in the air, walk around swiftly and then make a you turn. What a tactful monger. I should have done the same.

The ugly chick who grabbed me won't leave. "No problem" she said and kept standing. Then she tried to suggest a girl, "I can suggest better because I know them". "No! I want to do it myself". Pointing fingers raises expectations and if you don't follow through it breaks the heart, somebody gets disappointed even before you have started, and that's what she was doing.

I went to the mamasan, asked for the short time rate. She was confused like she has never been asked before, "the girl would know". Ok, "you got a new one? ". "Yeah, but she won't speak English". "No problem". Mamasan waved her hand and a 4 stood up and walked over smiling, she had lips of Mick Jagger. Considering that they were playing "Start me up" it was a right fit.

"Discount. Only for you. 500K. Normally 800K. You're the first customer". This was going to be all inclusive. Now I know what that girls running around outside with burning paper in hand was about. I really was the first customer. Then I saw mamasan burning incense sticks at the door and folding hands. Upstairs in the pigeon hole boom boom ensued. She was a champion performer. Strangely, they have seats for two boom booms to happen in that cave. Later she begged and got 100K. On the way out mamasan slapped a lady drink and the bartender wiped out the change, "tip". All this had a feel of desperation to it. But overall I got almost the same thing with much less money spent. I don't think it makes a difference if you screw a 4, 5, 6 or 7. You'll probably forget a 7 the next morning and forget a 4 rightaway.

My quest for a 9 is still on.[/QUOTE]
Nail The World,
I commend you on taking one for the team. Fours need to eat too. I'll post a link to your post in the thread for posts of distinction.

[quote=phantomtiger2]15minutes!! damn, that's about the total time it'll take me to undress and redress again let alone getting it up, and finishing the deed. i guess i better practice on a quicker hand job so i could be ready for the "speed deed" when the time cums -ha ha.

since hotels are mentioned (the regular live in kind and not those 15min st hotels), does anyone know of any decent but fairly inexpensive ones near this area?

pt[/quote]
"time is money" is their m.o. and it is right. once you agree to pay whatever you agreed, as far as they are concerned, that's a done deal. they just get it done as quickly as possible, and leave and try to find another customer/victim.
if you actually pick one up off one of these streets, then you will see what i mean. there are of course exceptions.

so in your case, dress very lightly when/if you actually decide to do it.

i have seen hotels around that area, and other areas that advertise for a room 60k for 1 hour. i think these are catering for non p4p, but for any "couples". you have to research the area by yourself. but i doubt she will spend 1 hour with you for the nominal fees. but please let us know what you can score with this arrangement.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Would you, or anybody else, be able to give specific names(s), maybe on PM, or maybe in person? I have tried to reserve a room for one night at Ho Sen on the 12th. I will do my best to look around but by nature I am prone to not getting the best deals. First time in Vietnam, don't speak jack of Vietnamese, etc etc.[/QUOTE]

There is a separate thread on hotels with a lot of information. Some of it specific and some of it more general. The GF places are small with less than 20 rooms and specific information would overload them. And there are lots of them.

Generally speaking, the service of the street walkers is very lousy. Once you & the girl in your room, the girl goes take a quick shower, or you & the girl take a shower together. Make sure you take things of great value with you to the washroom. After the shower, she will lick or blow you for a minute or two then she puts condom on you. You start to bang her or you can ask her to ride you. Once you've finished your first shot, you both get dressed, pay her, go pay the room fee at the front desk, she picks up her ID & you're all on your separate ways. That's the ST local way. Anything more than that you should both agree in advance such as anal, photo, video or hourly session.

I have kicked some of them out when they start to play games with me. One time a girl wouldn't do doggie, I paid her half of the deal & sent her out the door. That's why I prefer to do the regular girls, although it's not totally free.

I have met some girls online that are willing to do anything but anal. I get so horny just thinking about it. One of them says she likes to get spanked & physical. She said I was too easy on her last time. LOL!

$100 per pop wasn't really doing it for me so I used the trump card. This is something I had "met online" and has saved me $400 so far. But as I had expected this is turning out to be sticky stuff and looks like will be hard work to get rid off.

[QUOTE=Sharka]Actually, I'm not trying to tick anyone off as I said did some reading back but just wasn't sure if the ST hotels were close by in this area or not. I think you are assuming I am in country and walking or biking around HCMC exploring already but I am not. I'm just gathering intel/ info for my upcoming trip in about 2 months, just not keen on going to ST hotel places that may or maynot exist or be directed down a blind alley. But I did thank you for the map of area.[/QUOTE]Sorry Shark, when I replied I confused you with another poster who had been asking info about the same area of town and is in fact here, but could not see the girls in the area described. I thought I was replying to that same poster who was now saying he could now not see any hotels, but I was mixed up and it was you.

Went looking for a cafe om experience midday last week. Drove over to PTK in Go Vap. Not too far for me as I work in Tan Binh. Never done a cafe om. I read on the forum that I should look for a narrow and simple cafe. Saw a really cave-like concrete floored one on the left side and then I saw a nicer tile-floored place on the same block. As similar businesses seem to group together in VN, I thought that this was a good sign.

I went to the cave-looking place. Waitress was attractive in the face, but tattooed and looked too skinny. Went ahead with it. BJ in a cinematically divey curtained area. Lots of spitting. The technique wasn't doing it for me and when I went to grab some ass I found that there was none. She was curiously thin.

So I said "good job" and motioned that we were done. 100, 000 VND.

I wanted to see the other Cafe so I drove the short distance and parked. This place (and these girls) looked cleaner. Should have gone for this one. But now I wasn't really in the mood. I ordered a pepsi. I tried to practice a little Viet on them. They asked if I wanted a massage. They took turns asking and then a shirtless viet man came out and asked too. Nope. Don't want it.

The younger one stared at me like I was a martian. I stared back. Then we both laughed and they left me alone. The pepsi was 10, 000 VND. When I was paying the older woman, she grabbed my dick and said massage in one last effort at communication. I acted like I just figured it out and said maybe next time. Smiles and waves goodbye.

Not really impressed with my limited cafe om experience. The price is nice, but I prefer my BJ hot toc over by Da Kao Market on NPK street (200, 000VND).

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Hi guys,

This is my first report as I just arrived in Saigon, been to An Giang before but the girls there are not really foreigners friendly (except the massage), they usually refuse to go with you as for a higher price (one day she show me a sign with her hand meaning too big.). Anyway here is not the topic.

I know the location on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh who is full of kindda young beauty motorbike girls. It's on XVNT, when you come from D1, heading to Binh Thanh, you pass the bridge (first there is some hooker waiting on the bridge sometimes but a lot of policeman are turning around so you often saw them running), you continue to XVNT and then from the intersection of nguyen van lac until the next small street on the left there is motorbike girls turning around (easy to recognize because they are full of make-up, wearing sexy clothes and not wearing helmet! ). But I didn't try their services yet, do you know what is the price here and the quality? Thanks for advices.

Concerning the hot toc on DBL, I tried 2 already (he first one on the left and 1 after the bridge but never have a CIM. How do you say that in Vietnamese? Or if you don't have to ask, where do you go?

Thanks guys and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Macheath]I got lost once in this area at night and so riding slowly got approached by several mb girls - general impression is older or very young, ordinary/poor looking and not going for the sexy look. Also many standing on footpaths of the same type. The street is also quite dark and to me didn't have a good feel to it. Haven't been there during daytime but have never noticed mb girls or street walkers anywhere during day time.

The other obvious areas for mb girls are/were on NTMK from Nguyen Binh Khiem to the Thi Nghe Channel, and then street girls standing on the bridge, and then over the channel up to where the road turns into XVNT. The two strips with mb girls are distinctly separate (if not a tautology) with the girls doing u turns and basically doing laps up and down their strip. Conservatively I'd estimate that there would be 15-20 girls cruising this area at any one time. Plenty of times I've seen girls handing off money to pimps, or maybe mb owners, swapping bikes with other girls etc.

Last time I went this way, at night a couple of weeks back, seemed like they'd disappeared from NTMK to the channel, and they're digging up the road from over the bridge so makes it difficult for mb cruising. My opinion was that these girls were mostly late teenage to early twenties, generally good looking, going for the sexy look - also this area is well lit so can see well what's on offer. These girls must have moved to a different strip - probably near by but don't know where.

Nearby is the area with best looking mb girls - on Nguyen Binh Khiem from Nguyen Dinh Chieu to the roundabout on Dien Bien Phu. Until quite recently used to be about 10-15 at a time cruising this strip, again doing laps and also turning into the first smaller street on the right after NDC. These girls ask for 500k, of course can negotiate, and hotels in this strip will take 100k although usually ask for 200 - just laugh and they'll give in. Also never give any ID - the girl will have to give hers but they'll let you in if you go to walk away.

Used to go to a good seafood place a lot on Nguyen Van Thu and would regularly ride down NBK, but cute waitress has moved on and so have I so don't visit so often. Last time I went past a couple weeks back there will still girls cruising this strip but seemed quieter. My guess is that there's another street/streets in this area where they've moved to. Requirement would be a medium size two way street that doesn't have too much traffic.

Going back a few months a couple of times I saw most of the girls congregated together on their mbs on the corner of little street off NDC - looked kinda like a union meeting with them all talking - would've been after 10pm. One time I think there would have been about 15 girls together so gives an indication of how much action is/was here. I don't think you'll get ripped off around here, and these girls are territorial so could always find them again, although you'll definitely be quoted higher price than in District 5. Also I never noticed any other western punters in these areas.

On dress code have to agree with JD about wearing shoes - even the hippies in Pham Ngu Lao are shod. I disagree however that you need to be well dressed in clubs. In Gossip, Volcano and X Club all the women of course are well dressed and generally go for sexy, cleavage look but Vietnamese men often in shorts and sandals, although not poor looking. Looks to me quite incongruous - bit like Sydney where girls dress up and men wear beach gear. Only time I went to Volcano for a look seemed like half the men, not exaggerating, had ponytails - looked like a uniform.

Got a semi serious girlfriend so not really looking but am still interested in the undercover scene in HCMC. Like the other day saw really sexy girl - tall, short shorts, see thru top - get off the bike and go into one of those Nha Hangs on An Duong Vuong about 7pm. Place looked like nice 4 story building with neon signs but only mb parking on ground floor - no windows on upper storeys. Pretty sure these type of Nha Hangs aren't restaurants but really only guessing. Lots of these sorts of places on Tran Quang Khai - street goes off HBT on acute angle - again only mb parking and males sitting around downstairs, at night cute girls stopping and going upstairs.

What's up?

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Any experiences with those girls?

[QUOTE=Johndao]Try the Hot Tocs on Ngo Quyen north of Nguyen Chi Thanh St in D5. Nearer your home. Right-hand side of NQ going north.

JD[/QUOTE]I tried this one yesterday. I found only one very close to the intersection but there was only one I wanted to try. Closed doors, says Hot Toc on the door. This was my first Hot Toc experience so I wasn't sure if I should ask for a massage rightaway or if I was going to be offered one. I was immediately grabbed for a hair cut, there were two haircut guys and several cleavage showing chicks in their 30s (I know enough to realize they couldn't have been in 20s), so I had a second haircut in a week. At the end I was offered a massage, now I understand that I should ask for massage myself as I walk in.

It was a 50-50 BJ/HJ for 200K.

Is there a better alternative close to district 1? Actually distance should not be a problem. But one with chicks younger than 30s who are service oriented would be nice.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Sorry Shark, when I replied I confused you with another poster who had been asking info about the same area of town and is in fact here, but could not see the girls in the area described. I thought I was replying to that same poster who was now saying he could now not see any hotels, but I was mixed up and it was you.[/QUOTE]


No problem pal,
mistaken ID happens all the time. No damage done. At least I now know ST places are nearby so I could be more comfortable knowing I'm not taken for a bad ride if she said place is just down the street.

Shark

[QUOTE=Joe Nailer]Gal will take you to a ST hotel they are familiar with. Gals and hotels may be operating together. They know a few places around that area. So you dont need to worry about that.

?[/QUOTE]


Thanks Joe,
I was distracted and nearly forgot to thank you for the info.

Shark

[QUOTE=Babar]Me :)

I come to Saigon next week.[/QUOTE]Coming to HCM next week for few days, around July 2th, someone wanna meet up for a beer?

Hi guys,

I really appreciate your contributions about these BJ places, and I agree the CIM-NO CIM dispute is not irrelevant.

But. Let's say we understood the directions, as a newbie going there (with no local language) what should we do? Expect? Pay? What is going to happen, in your opinion?

Maybe it is a little out of topic.

But if you suggest a tourist to go around and wonder the city outskirts, having a scooter or something is necessary.

Where is it possible to rent it for only a few day, out of the touristy enclave, at reasonable prices?

Every info is welcome.

Thank you guy, go on with your great posts and pics (Ho Chi Minh City has become one of the most interesting thread in all of SEA)

[QUOTE=Mikle]Maybe it is a little out of topic.

But if you suggest a tourist to go around and wonder the city outskirts, having a scooter or something is necessary.

Where is it possible to rent it for only a few day, out of the touristy enclave, at reasonable prices?

Every info is welcome.

Thank you guy, go on with your great posts and pics (Ho Chi Minh City has become one of the most interesting thread in all of SEA)[/QUOTE]I wouldn't recommend getting a hire scooter, You need a VN lic unless its under 50cc and VN dosn't recognise international drivers lic/permits (although other countries recognise VN drivers lic)

Once you see the traffic and the way you need to ride you may have 2nd thoughts. Saying that if you do go ahead and get a scooter make sure you have a map that clearly has the roads you will be sticking to on it. I still get lost trying to find a short cut/ alternative way to my destinations and I've been here for 2yrs. My last misadventure was a supposed 20min trip to the local shop to buy Coco Pops that turned into a 3hr ride.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]I wouldn't recommend getting a hire scooter, You need a VN lic unless its under 50cc and VN dosn't recognise international drivers lic/permits (although other countries recognise VN drivers lic)

Once you see the traffic and the way you need to ride you may have 2nd thoughts. Saying that if you do go ahead and get a scooter make sure you have a map that clearly has the roads you will be sticking to on it. I still get lost trying to find a short cut/ alternative way to my destinations and I've been here for 2yrs. My last misadventure was a supposed 20min trip to the local shop to buy Coco Pops that turned into a 3hr ride.[/QUOTE]I agree that the city can be very confusing, especially, if you are new or do not speak fluent Vietnamese. Its hard to have visual references such as turn right at the Pho restaurant because they have one on every street, not literally. Also the numbering system of address can be messed up here, with one side of the street going up and the other going down and at different rates. It took me a good year of living here to get comfortable with all the streets.

If you decide to get a bike, remember, that you do need a VN license, if you don't have and a cop pulls you over, it will cost between 200-500k VND bribe to keep your bike, otherwise they will keep it in storage at your expense and the bike usually makes you pay the whole deposit of the bike. You will also want, as Mik suggested, a map that can be bought at any bookstore of HCMC. A MUST. Stick to main roads and the map, don't try and find "shortcuts" unless you have time to kill.

If you do want a bike let me know, I have some for rent, both daily and monthly.

[QUOTE=Milkweed] Drove over to PTK in Go Vap. [/QUOTE]
Hi.... Which street is this? On my map, I'm not finding a PTK in Go Vap.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]If you do want a bike let me know, I have some for rent, both daily and monthly.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your advices and precautions.

Actually I was in hcmc last year (posted my experiences then) and I rented I bike from the tourist enclave. No driving licence, no problem with the traffic, no problems with the cops (thanks god).

I just would like to figure out some prices or places, as I don't remember at all from last year.

Thanks again

[QUOTE=Mikle]Thank you for your advices and precautions.

Actually I was in hcmc last year (posted my experiences then) and I rented I bike from the tourist enclave. No driving licence, no problem with the traffic, no problems with the cops (thanks god).

I just would like to figure out some prices or places, as I don't remember at all from last year.

Thanks again[/QUOTE]
Just walk around Pham Ngu Lao & Bui Vien st in District 1, you will see lots of "Bike for Rent" signs. It depends on the bike that you want to rent. It ranges from 80k-500k.

I'm a seasoned rider for years and would never in my wildest imagination ever consider taking on HCMC traffic, especially during rush hour. I've been bumped, pushed, rubbed against had my knees banged, hands clipped all as a passenger on the back of a moto. Unless you have blood coming out of your eyes and need to get to the hospital avoid driving a moto in HCMC. Out in the provinces it's a different story, I've gassed up and driven in DaNang and Nha Trang and would even feel comfortable in Hue but never HCMC. Goodluck and may the "Force" be with you.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Hi.... Which street is this? On my map, I'm not finding a PTK in Go Vap.[/QUOTE]Sorry, wrong abbr.

I should have said PVT.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Are there bars elsewhere away from the lower HBT rip off bars? [/QUOTE]

I'm not aware of bars like the ones on HBT elsewhere in town -- don't think any exist. Those cater to foreigners. Locals and Asians go more for karaokes, discos, nightclubs as their venues, not bars like these. In those places, it takes more work. In the discos there are freelancers, usually pretty obvious, tho there's also plenty of (mostly) non-working girls. So you definitely won't get the kind of snuggling up you would in some of the HBT bars. There is at least one bar up in Phu Nhuan on Ho Van Hue street called Bumbi where girls will get pretty snuggly -- tho rarely to the degree you'd get in HBT -- and surely not the higher levels of naughtiness that can be reached in those places. Paradise (name may have changed recently) across the street from Bumbi is more of a typical nightclub with PR's at your table. There's lots like that. If you want quick available take-out, that's not on offer at these places. You might be able to arrange to meet them after work, usually have to go eat with them first, and then maybe home afterward. Or maybe not. You can see how going this route means staying up til 4am or so, which is way later than I ever want to be up.

I wouldn't call the HBT bars ripoffs. You pay for the convenience -- in most there's a lot of girls altogether in once spot, you get to pick the one you want, and usually can get to do a few things then and there right in the bar, and much more if you go upstairs with her. The quality of the girls (I mean looks, youth) is on the whole better than in other venues, and if you go visit 2 or 3 bars, you're bound to find one who you find quite hot. The girls are always dressed in very sexy outfits, and you're free to move your hands where ever you want. One more thing: all these bars are within walking distance of each other, so you can go check one after another easily in one evening. You can go in, have one drink, and leave if you dont see something to your liking. With karaokes, for example, you'd go in, have to get a room and then they bring out a case of beers or a bottle -- and while they might have 50 girls on the premises, they'll only bring in a small selection for you to pick from. Once you're in, you're stuck there. If you don't see something to your liking, too bad. You could ask the mamasan to see more girls... and I have to say that last time I did that, I was told that this group of 4 were all the girls working. On my way out, I saw plenty more out in the hallways on their way to one room or another, so it wasn't true -- the mamasan just didn't want to show me more. This is the kind of stuff you deal with at karaokes.

Anyway, does anyone else know of snuggly types of bars other than the HBT ones? There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Sorry, wrong abbr.
I should have said PVT.[/QUOTE]

There are lots more of these types of places on the street behind the airport -- Duong Tan Son. More of them there than on Pham Van Tri. Quality? Don't get your hopes high. I drove past and spotted them recently, wasn't tempted at all to try. I entered on the Tan Binh side, via a street called Pham Van Bach....and you have to go over some of the roughest unpaved deeply potholed muddy road in Ho Chi Minh City to reach these spots, and through a busy market area no less. I was there daytime, it might be that more spots open nighttime -- I did see quite a few cafes that were closed, and thought maybe they're night time only. Or maybe they're just out of business. Due to this and the market, I'd recommend driving into this area early evening when the cafes will be the only things open, and it won't be crowded with motorbike and pedestrian traffic. If anyone does go check it out, I'd be curious to hear about it.

[QUOTE=Wendella]
Anyway, does anyone else know of snuggly types of bars other than the HBT ones? There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.[/QUOTE]

There is a new one on Thi Sach called Coco or something - a sister bar to Smiley's but the mamasan's at both those places are very hard nosed on prices.

And there is the relocated Cali bar now on Dong Du just near the Hot Chili bar.

The saddest news is that Club Italia (otherwise known as the sports bar) on Dong Du has closed and is now demolished. I used to often go there to watch sports events. Does anyone know if it or another one like it has re-appeared in D1.

[QUOTE=Wendella]There are a few HBT type ones that are not on HBT. There's 3 on Le Thanh Ton and 3 more on Thai Van Lung. That's all the ones I know of.[/QUOTE]How do they compare with HBT bars in terms of price and quality?

Btw, this weekend I tried 49 also, completing my tour of HBT bars. Here I saw some quality stuff, the middle aged mamasan sisters were gentle. I would say about 2-3 8s were there, all of whom I would gladly bang. I was able to take one out for $100 long time (including bar fees) but then it was after midnight and the girl spent 5 minutes thinking about the price.

I found the attitude of the bar 91 mamasan to be the worst, so much as to never make me want to step in there again. And this when the best I saw there was a 7. What the fuck are they thinking?

I gotta screw a 9 else I won't be a happy monger.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]There is a new one on Thi Sach called Coco or something - a sister bar to Smiley's but the mamasan's at both those places are very hard nosed on prices.

And there is the relocated Cali bar now on Dong Du just near the Hot Chili bar.

The saddest news is that Club Italia (otherwise known as the sports bar) on Dong Du has closed and is now demolished. I used to often go there to watch sports events. Does anyone know if it or another one like it has re-appeared in D1.[/QUOTE]

Sorry about Italia. Never went there and dunno if it's alive again in any form.

Number 5 bar, formerly on Ly Tu Truong across from Lush, has reopened again on Pasteur, at I think #44? Maybe that would work for you? I'm not sure what Italia had that you'd need in a place. Number 5 always had sports on tv, and I think they'd put your channel on, whatever it is. Opening hours can be a problem for watching sports. No idea what their hours are.

Yes, I did see that one on Thi Sach. Forgot. And of course the new Cali. Neither looked too good to me.

But the original question that Nail wanted to know was if there are any bars anything like these other than this group we all know very well. I consider all these, the ones on Le Thanh Ton, HBT and the side streets off them, to really be part of this one scene, which we normally call "the HBT bars" for short, even tho most of the bars are actually off of HBT, not on it. Some friends of mine call them the Hello Darling bars. But to my knowledge, there's nothing like these bars elsewhere in town. They're all located in a pretty small area of District 1.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I'm a seasoned rider for years and would never in my wildest imagination ever consider taking on HCMC traffic, especially during rush hour. I've been bumped, pushed, rubbed against had my knees banged, hands clipped all as a passenger on the back of a moto. Unless you have blood coming out of your eyes and need to get to the hospital avoid driving a moto in HCMC. Out in the provinces it's a different story, I've gassed up and driven in DaNang and Nha Trang and would even feel comfortable in Hue but never HCMC. Goodluck and may the "Force" be with you.[/QUOTE]Until I came to Saigon I had never ridden a scooter or motobike. I quickly learned that around 1-2am is quiet time and you can learn to ride without too much traffic or cops.

Now my wife is constantly telling me to slow down as I'm riding just like the VNese (or worse as my wife reminds me) I hit the footpath/pavement at the slightest sign of a traffic blockage, run down the wrong way of the streets as theres less traffic than the correct side, take off just before the lights turn green after checking theres no one coming down the other streets. One thing I'm still afraid to do is to do a U Turn right there and then with no warning as many VN riders do. Something about getting T Boned that dosnt sit right with me.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]How do they compare with HBT bars in terms of price and quality?[/QUOTE]
Very well. You have to keep in mind that all these places fluctuate in terms of how cute the girls are. The attitude fluctuates too. For example, I've experience both the most terrible attitude in 91, but also the best ever. 91 does tend to get the youngest/cutest girls on HBT, but... there's always exceptions. There's also often some who come in to try it out, decide they don't like it, and leave. That can happen at any bar. Once at 29 bar on Dong Khoi, known for having the most willing and frisky girls of all these bars, I went in and spotted a girl I wanted to be with -- she actually rejected me after one look at me. A couple months later I went in again. This time she came up to me, same girl, and snuggled in immediately, was super affectionate. Why? Who knows.

Anyway, the other bars are on the whole just about on par with the ones located on HBT itself. The ones down on Le Thanh Ton are particularly good - in fact they usually have something better than any of the ones on HBT except possibly 91. Actually one of the hottest ones (the hottest IMO) in 91 now was working a long time at Tia To on LTT, just switched recently. She's a 9 by my standards, and theres one other there who I'd peg at 9. Remember that any time you go, it's possible some are already upstairs with customers, so you may not see all of them. When I think back over the years, 91 has been most consistent at having the very hottest girls out there. When I think of my top 10 all time, maybe half were at 91.

It seems like Smiley is popular with some people here. I disagree. I think I know which girls that are being referred to. For someone not focused on cup sizes (like me) and more on prettiness and tall/thin, that place is the one I'd skip. There's one girl who stands out as the queen of the place -- always wears an open front dress that very much reveals her cleavage. But she's a bit older looking than the ones in the bars I prefer (guessing about 25), and she knows she's the queen there and has the attitude to match, in my experience at least. I've seen her walk away from a customer at the bar one time, and I'll say for myself that she seemed to avoid eye contact. Meranwhile in that place there is one very cute girl (the cutest, IMO) who works behind the bar and wears jeans and t-shirt, seems to not be available to sit with customers. The rest of the lineup is not very good there, by my standards. Just generally older and less attractive.

Hi Sudsoz,

I believe that the bar you are talking about was Cafe Latin on Dong Du.They are opening a new one on Ton That Thiep called Phatty's next week similiar set up.Voodoo on the same street I think is a good normal bar too.

I also posted this in the other areas thread, but I think anyone mongering in Vietnam should be aware of this.

Warning- On June 25th, I was in Hue and looking for a little action. In the main tourist area, it was common for moto or cyclo drivers to approach you with offers of $10 girls, so finally I decided to take one of them up on the offer, and it was a three minute ride to a place which was on a main street but set back from it. I walk in and choose my girl who was nothing fantastic but acceptable for $10. We go in a room which only had couches and a tray of beverages and food was brought in (yes, I did figure I would be paying something for this). I grabbed a beer and she helped herself to a soda without asking. We kissed for a little bit and then she starts feeding me fruit from the tray. Then she opens a small bag of chips and I started telling her no, stop opening stuff (although she didn't really speak English, but my body language was clear) because I could see exactly where this was going. Then she opens a bottle of water and tries to get me to drink it and I was like I have my beer and refused. Anyway, then she said suck suck, and I was like yea, that is what I came for. We bargain, she started at 500, 000 (a far cry from the $10 I was promised), but being Vietnam I bargained her down to 200, 000. She wanted the money and I paid in advance (always a bad idea and I do know better). The result was a lousy handjob with no lubricant. I said wait a minute, you said suck suck, and she said yes, sook sook with a hand motion as if that is the Vietnamese word for a handjob, I of course wasn't buying but not a lot I could do.

I wish that was the worst of this story, but it is not. After I finished she wiped me off and then immediately opened the door and started saying something in Vietnamese, I did not even have my pants up yet and was like what the fuck. I told her to close the door and she ignored me. Then, three more people came in, an overweight bouncer type, the boss, and another girl, and they look at the tray and started writing out a bill, which I knew was coming. They wanted a whopping 1 million dong, which I laughed at, and said no way in hell. They tried to say there was a room charge and all this stuff, and I said frankly the girl was lousy, the only thing I actually opened was a beer, and a beer, soda, some fruit, small bag of chips, and even the bottle of water that the girl opened did not add up to 1 million, maybe like 50, 000. They even pointed to the moist towlettes, saying that was part of the bill. I was like whatever and attempted to just leave, not an option as I was pushed back, so I just sat down on the couch and figured I had to wait them out a bit. Of course, they were yelling at me and trying to intimidate me, but I remained defiant. Then they dropped it down to 300, 000. I still refused and they were not happy, threatening to kill me. I told them to go ahead (because I knew they were full of shit). I also told them I would be calling the police and the boss said he owned the police and he was with the mafia, which I laughed at. He said he was going to get his club, I told him to go ahead. Then they dropped it to 200, 000, and I still said it was too much. At that point he grabbed my throat as if he was going to choke me, but really didn't choke or hurt me. He again said he was going to kill me and that he was going to get his club. I told him to go ahead. He then left the room (not a good sign) and actually came back with a club, I showed no fear but I was getting very concerned even though I really thought they were full of shit. They said 100, 000 and I said okay, I paid it, and they walked me outside, where motorbikes were waiting. The motorbike drivers did the typical calling out of motorbike, and I said no, I don't need to go anywhere, I just need to find a phone to call the police. I walked out to the main road and took note of the surroundings and the addresses of the neighboring buildings so I could remember where this was and identify it for the police. The asshole boss then came out and gave me a 50, 000 note and said here, now you only pay 50, 000, now go. I took a motorbike, still taking note of the way back and how to get there. When I got back to my hotel (small guesthouse), I said that I needed to talk to the police and asked them to call them for me. Apparently the owner of the hotel is also a police officer, so they said they could definitely help me. They called a friend who speaks good English, and I told him the whole story. He said yes, the police will do something, we will go talk to the owner, he is police. The two of them talked in Vietnamese, and then they asked me where it was, I gave them complete directions with street address, and the cop/owner changed the look on his face when he heard the directions. I was then told that it was too far away (3 minutes by motorbike) for the police to do anything, and that I just needed to be careful, which I saw straight through, obviously they do have a police connection.

Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet. If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait. Oh, and two days later in Hanoi I found myself trapped in the back of a taxi (doors/windows wouldn't open) with a rigged meter that ran ten times as fast and the driver wouldn't let me out as I refused to pay. I again just waited it out and after about twenty minutes I was freed without paying a cent. Apparently, only take taxis with reputable companies. I have been to 22 countries, including supposedly dangerous ones in Central America, and Brazil, mongered and traveled all over, but I have never had these kinds of issues anywhere else.

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[QUOTE=Guapo28]
Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet.



If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait..[/QUOTE]



I would say that in general, the above is correct except not all countries or places will allow action without payment first, many places require "barfines" or payment first to mommies (ex: Thailand, Singapore, Philly, etc before anything can happen, and yes this will not always work out to your benefit but not always.
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Being defiant?
This is not always a wise situation as you could be in serious trouble -either hurt or killed as human life in these 3rd world countries is almost worthless to them since they dont know you at all.
I know of serious but true situations as they were told to me by people I know. Happened in "civilized China (South)-so forget about Viet or other Southeast Asian places, a friend of a friend was lured to a apt by taxi driver and SW (both in on it to rob you), the guy only had maybe $75 on him but it was not enough for the 4 guys with knives waiting inside. He resisted and They actually cut him twice to make a point and wouldve slit his throat unless he went to ATM machine to withdraw as much as the machine would allow (think it was $500 or 1000).

Also, a bad incident happen to a drinking buddy I met last time in Cambo.
He was also lured into a situation and was defiant. He got beat up pretty badly as they were not amused by his saying no and didnt believe they would do anything to him. Well, he was wrong.

Also, being safely at home in our Western safety, I hear on the news sometimes how muggers will simply shoot someone to death without blinking an eye just because someone refused to hand over a wallet or purse. So not always wide to be defiant.

I think you were lucky this time.---IMO

PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I would say that in general, the above is correct except not all countries or places will allow action without payment first, many places require "barfines" or payment first to mommies (ex: Thailand, Singapore, Philly, etc before anything can happen, and yes this will not always work out to your benefit but not always.
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Being defiant?
This is not always a wise situation as you could be in serious trouble -either hurt or killed as human life in these 3rd world countries is almost worthless to them since they dont know you at all.
I know of serious but true situations as they were told to me by people I know. Happened in "civilized China (South)-so forget about Viet or other Southeast Asian places, a friend of a friend was lured to a apt by taxi driver and SW (both in on it to rob you), the guy only had maybe $75 on him but it was not enough for the 4 guys with knives waiting inside. He resisted and They actually cut him twice to make a point and wouldve slit his throat unless he went to ATM machine to withdraw as much as the machine would allow (think it was $500 or 1000).

Also, a bad incident happen to a drinking buddy I met last time in Cambo.
He was also lured into a situation and was defiant. He got beat up pretty badly as they were not amused by his saying no and didnt believe they would do anything to him. Well, he was wrong.

Also, being safely at home in our Western safety, I hear on the news sometimes how muggers will simply shoot someone to death without blinking an eye just because someone refused to hand over a wallet or purse. So not always wide to be defiant.

I think you were lucky this time.---IMO

PT[/QUOTE]


Agree with your thoughts as I was a victim of a mugger years ago back home and I can tell from his attitude and the way he pointed the gun at me, he had no 2nd thoughts about wasting me if I even hassled him a little.--shit it scares me to think about it even now and how lucky I am just to lose the wallet.

And also true about other asian countries (like China) as I had read other mongers telling of beatings and being lured for money.

Bottom line: if you are outnumbered and out weaponed and you are NOT Bruce Lee, then being defiant could be the last thing you do in this lifetime. Not worth losing your teeth or your life for money.--this is my Opinion on this subject.

Shark

in keeping with the subject matter at hand i have to do this.

this only details what another fellow monger had already described was likely to happen. i am only confirming that it does happen. cute motorbike girls in the evening and at night, by themselves and riding behind an old lady around pham ngu lao and trang hung dao, bad news. because i had read that report i knew what to expect so what happened was not a surprise. but the fact still stands that i let it happen! ah the lure of asian pussy!

last week on pham ngu lao around 8pm i was approached by two cutie pies on two separate occasions, one looked like a ladyboy and the other one really really hot, and offered massage for $10 with more for $20. i asked the cute one for the next day but that offer was not accepted. they both were really pushy. i was going to meet someone shortly so i didn't take it up.

later around 11pm i was walking on trang hung dao and two motorbikes come. one being driven by a cutie and one by mamasan with a cutie pillion riding. both cutie pies with immaculate makeup, both 8+, both eminently doable. offer - $10 massage, more for $20. the setup screams fraud but i had had relatively easy time so far so to add some excitement i said yes. in the back of my head i was thinking whatever i can get from this cutie would be a bonus. somehow i hadn't been able to get my hands on this kind of merchandise in the bars. she wouldn't go to my hotel because "no id". the girl is not ****. she is easy in early 20s. even then "no id". second opportunity to walk away turned down by me.

i had to go to their hotel mimosa. mamasan gets off and cutie pie drives me to the hotel. the hotel is not mimosa! the hotel name is something else! third opportunity to walk away turned down by the little head. anything, anything i can from this vietnamese hottie.

she checks herself in, gives some money, everything happens super fast. i see a lot of cuties around there. this looked like some kind of base. an army of cutie pies! take the staircase to the third (top) floor. i get asked for money upfront even when they had said that i would need to pay only "later". i pay her 300k. i know this is bullshit so i try to delay the thing and light a cigarette. hottie wouldn't let me smoke, she pushed me into the shower half way through the smoke. i grabbed my clothes along with me and walked into the bathroom, she shut the bathroom door. after a while she opened the door herself, smiled forcefully and stepped away. opportunity to pick the pocket while i am in the shower was removed. what had to happen if they were to really do this was to get someone under the bed. maybe this was why she completely shut the bathroom door.

i light another cigarette and lie on the bed face down. extraordinarily bad beating, sound making, kind of massage ensues for 30 seconds. then she asks me to turn my head. oh boy. they really really have to do this. the fact that the guy is being careful flies over their head. extraordinarily bad massage begins again. if they are to do something they've got to be doing it now i was thinking. i don't turn my head immediately. one minute passes then i turn my head on the pretext of using the ashtray. she immediately dropped her head in front of me and said something. in the meantime i saw what i thought i would see. these kinds of stories i have read mostly on the cambodia forum. i see a guy on his fours withdrawing from my trousers with his head pointed in my direction. they are determined. they just absolutely have to do this. i don't react. i act like i didn't see anything. i just didn't want to create a panic situation. panic is where really bad things can happen. and i am naked and vulnerable. i will see about it later i thought. moments later she starts talking, "are you talking to me?" i said. she says "boyfriend". she was talking into her cellphone. moments later knock on the door. mamasan that was driving this chick walks in, the chick hurries out the door. they are just shameless. give the guy at least something. something, anything! how different is this from snatching money from a guy standing next to you? this is bullshit of highest degree. but i can't say that i didn't know this right from the start! "she has to see her boyfriend" she says motioning something from her hand. i throw my hands in the air thinking "what the fuck?".

i dress up, mamasan looks inquisitively at my trousers as she hands them over to me. game over. my and their foolishness is over. now it's time for episode 2. mamasan says "girl", "hotel". i am not listening. i have figure out how to handle part two. i follow mamasan down, slip my hands into my pocket, i see two 100k bills, i was keeping loose money with no wallet, stuff from the middle is gone. mamasan gallops ahead. i follow her all the way to reception and stop. she charges out of the hotel, never looks back. what the fuck is she thinking? even if the guy didn't know that his pocket had been picked, he was going to say "something". you can just charge him 300k for nothing! and specially when this place looks like a base, there's got to be somebody else he could talk to.

i don't step out of the main entrance in case they lock me out. i move around the reception area, light a cigarette and position myself on the corner of sofa. i don't see any shady characters, a few small sized hotel workers hanging around. there's a restaurant right across and it is active so i see few chances of a fight going down. then i see two cutie pies pulling two relatively young asian guys from their hands trying to take them outside. what's this, inside out operation like mine was outside in, i thought? anyhow, to make my intentions of being there clear, i yell to the guys "watch your pocket". the nervous guy immediately pulls out his wallet. the girl is shocked! who the fuck is he and what the fuck is he doing here? after some more nervous shuffle among the guys and girls i yell again "they will steal your money!". the girls pulled the guys back inside and one of them yelled "you no good!". you're damn right babe, i am no good, no good for your operation. another one gets on the cell phone and yells vehemently into it. something's happening they all know now. a motorbike guy starts waving at me from outside. they want to send me away. really? with no sign of impending threat? not yet my friend. i do throw my hands in the air and ask him "what??".

after some time the old lady at the counter smiles and asks as if she doesn't know anything "who are you waiting for?". "the girl who came with me". "your friend has already left". "no problem, she'll be back with another customer". "what?". "she stole my money". then she says something to a smart looking guy in vietnamese and says to me smiling, "my son". he comes over and say something. i reply, "well, like you know what these girls are doing in your hotel, one of them stole my money and i want my money back". "what?", he doesn't know anything. you kidding me asshole?

i have finished my second cigarette by this time and i am staying put. if these are the guys i will have to engage with then i can do it i thought. i still don't see anything that would scare me. total 15-20 minutes have passed. now an ugly looking woman walks out and hands me over the missing 100k bills. i count them and point my fingers for 3 bills more. only these she insists by hand. i pointed to the money then pointed to my pocket, pointed 3 fingers again and said "girl". she nods, goes back in and comes out with 3 more. i collect the money, ask her to step away from the door, walk out, curse at the motorbike guy still standing outside looking at me, call the smart looking guy an asshole, repeat it on his request and storm off.

i was thinking whether i should go to the police or not. i didn't want to grab the nearby motorbike guys but then i didn't want to stay there much longer either. reluctantly i grabbed one asked and him to go to my street. he might have driven a few meters when we approach an intersection where i see two cops who were working on a driver they had stopped. excellent opportunity. i get off the bike, wouldn't have to give away my location i thought, give him 5k, and walk over to the police. story to be continued, there was as much fun with the police as with the chicks.

the hotel was hong bong hotel, 54 hung vuong street, ho chi minh city between the streets of le hong phong and ho thi ky. dangerous. bad. criminal.

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Seeing the opportunity of being able to get rid of the motorbike driver I didn't want from that location I walk over to the cops. At the very least the thugs couldn't send their army at me and I could pick a new driver and go home. I decided I want to take it one step further and actually file a report. The fact that my name would be attached to the report and could, at some future time when I decided to run for president, be culled by someone and used against me notwithstanding. I was going to do it.

The cops don't understand jackshit. They take the help of the driver they are busy mugging. This is not going well. The driver using a mixture of Vietnamese, English and hand signs manages to tell me I need to go to the nearby police station which is round the corner somewhere. That was enough. I immediately grabbed a taxi and asked him to go to the "police station". His excitement balloon popped, he stopped understanding anything and parked his taxi by the curb. WTF I thought. Next the motorbike guy. He wouldn't go. This was fucking crazy. They've got to know the police station these scumbags who drive for a living. I thought this was the end but it was not. As I started walking away the same cops drove up from god knows where, probably they were watching. They said something in Vietnamese and the motorbike guy promptly brought me to the police station. And at a fair price too.

Walk into the police station and explain my story. I had glanced at the hotel name and I thought I knew what the name was but these guys said there wasn't any hotel with that name. "Go round the corner and you will see it. Big yellow sign. I will show you if you want me to", I said. One of the policemen then drove off to who knows where. I was given a form and I started writing. There it goes, along with all the gory details of the shady activity I had committed to but which were not performed on me. Because they were not performed I could be a little obscure but even then there was enough material to make me lose my chance to be the president. I was going to do it. Out of hundreds who get robbed like this there must be a few who would do it. I was ready to be one of them. I am often ready to take the other side because SOMEBODY should. A lot of slow drivers in the left lane at some place in some country realize this very well. A lesson has been taught to them. Somebody should let them know there is a consequence. Life isn't big enough to let such people get by every time, there need to be more frequent hurdles.

The policeman who had driven off now comes back with someone who speaks little bit of English. That was progress. Story repeated with the same result. "There is no such hotel". "It's right around the corner goddammit!!!", I wished I could speak this without jeopardizing whatever progress I was making. "Ok, this station doesn't cover the location you are suggesting. There's another station with jurisdiction of that area". This is also progress I convinced myself. They got a sentry of theirs to drive me to the other police station on his motorbike.

Sentry drops me there walks inside and waked up his counterpart. The new sentry walks over half dozing. Story repeated. "There is no such hotel". "YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", I wished I could say this. I was getting really pissed at them, much more than I was at the people who had tried to rob me. The original guy who had driven me there and who I had tipped 20K by mistake thinking he was just a motorbike driver took charge and drove me back to the hotel. He stopped his bike at the gate, I noted the hotel name and address, the old lady at the reception noticed that I was back and must have noticed the uniform of my driver. This was the most I was going to accomplish in terms of threatening them.

Back to police station two. Now the hotel exists. The officer in charge is woken up. He listens half sleeping half awake. Goes inside and sends the sentry outside to ask me to come back the next day in the morning and keeps the paperwork.

I was still determined to do it. I go there next day at 9am sharp as requested. The officer there doesn't know jackshit. My paperwork is on his desk at the top. Story repeated. "You need to go to the Pham Ngu Lao police station. Point of first contact".

Bullshit! Son of a *****! Asshole!

It had to end at some point and after this I didn't have any more energy to file complaint with the FUCKING Vietnam police.

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It might be counterintuitive but I'd suggest making the complaint to the local USA Consulate or embassy when something like this happens. They update reports on Internet regularly. I know it seems strange to go to the "feds" where mongering is involved but they are used to it. You can ask to speak to a male USA Consul if that makes it more comfortable. I know several cases where the consul has either helped out the victim, or put the event on the Internet, which many travelers read. (Obviously, mongering should never involve minors, which is illegal under USA Law.)

The Guy

You must be kidding me!!!!!!

Nail the world

bad bad choice!!! next time, go with your intuition.

My suggestion to the greenhorns, read the forum and learn.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]The Guy

You must be kidding me![/quote]I understand your view, columpuss. But I've known several persons who have made use of a consul in this manner. Keep in mind that it's not against U.S. law to monger abroad - hence the legality of viewing this site from the U.S. (However, it is against the law to use minors for prostitution or photography, regardless of where in the world it happens.)

[QUOTE=The Guy]It might be counterintuitive but I'd suggest making the complaint to the local USA Consulate or embassy when something like this happens. They update reports on Internet regularly. I know it seems strange to go to the "feds" where mongering is involved but they are used to it. You can ask to speak to a male USA Consul if that makes it more comfortable. I know several cases where the consul has either helped out the victim, or put the event on the Internet, which many travelers read. (Obviously, mongering should never involve minors, which is illegal under USA Law.)[/QUOTE]

Jesus H Christ - another naive American. And once your juiced up Feds complain to the locals how many more raids will there be to reduce the embarrassment?

Columpuss has it right - RTFF and keep your wits about you. Simple.

sometimes the mongers forget that they are also engaging in illegal activities. The world we deal with to satisfy our 'little boys' needs is a dark one and it is inevitable that we run into trouble. Unless bodily harm is involved, guys, you just have to swallow your pride and move on. The only good thing you can do is report it in the forum.
I once asked a local friend about girls on motobikes. He just simply said that he wouldn't even recommmed to a Viet local.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]sometimes the mongers forget that they are also engaging in illegal activities. The world we deal with to satisfy our 'little boys' needs is a dark one and it is inevitable that we run into trouble. Unless bodily harm is involved, guys, you just have to swallow your pride and move on. The only good thing you can do is report it in the forum.

I once asked a local friend about girls on motobikes. He just simply said that he wouldn't even recommmed to a Viet local.[/QUOTE]You may be giving up too easily. I think you should look to maximize what you can do. Because this is what they are trying to do too. They are looking to maximize the money they make while minimizing the time. And if they have access to items of physical threat, given the opportunity, they will use it or display it. I was capitalizing on the fact that they didn't.

Why couldn't this particular episode have been reported as a pickpocketing crime? Especially when the episode lasted about two minutes without my partaking in anything illegal? More so, when the place was actually a base of the army of robbers? They clearly had a heck of a lot to lose. What would be wrong with generating a crime record with the hotel name, receptionist's name and probably the girl's name too so that if ever there was a more serious crime involving these people there would be some history available to solidify the case against them?

I was actually on my way home because I had received all my money back and I thought I had raised enough storm. Seeing the cops I thought I could take it one step further. I persisted with the process as long as there were hurdles that could be easily overcome. I dropped the chase when I felt like it. I've plenty of time at hand.

At least I learned a lesson. Unless there is bodily harm there's no way in hell you can actually file a report even if you wanted to. If your money is lost you ARE on your own whether or not you wanted to.

Let's get this straight - we are talking about Vietnam and not the USofA.

And anything to do with P4P is illegal in Vietnam and is tolerated as it fullfills a need but only for as long as it does not cause a fuss.

Any stirring up of Authorities - local police, consuls, whatever - will result in crackdowns and reduced opportunities for us all. That is the cold hard facts.

The advice from Columpuss (twice now) is sound.

What happen to NTW happens all day long in Viet Nam. If you’re not careful and ignore your instincts, it will eventually happen to you. A long time ago a monger here gave some great and simple advice. Roll up your pants (with your money) and keep it behind the pillow you’re using. Through the years I’ve used that advice (thanks to whomever it was) and it has served me well.

I would also advise not bothering with the police unless something physical happens. Mongering in VN is much easier then it was four or five years ago and I'd like for it to stay that way.

It was a great story though and had me on the edge of my seat reading it. Thanks NTW for telling your story and warning other mongers.

Went back to a cafe om on PVT a couple times this week. I went to the nicer, cleaner looking one.

First time I met an ok looking 20 year old. Went for the massage. Mostly HJ with a little BJ. She pulled her pants down and shirt up. Nice firm breasts, but I was dismayed to find a little nipple hair.

Second time I met a cute 19 year old. Warned me up front that she did not do BJ. This didn't bother me as the last one hadn't really done much BJ either. She pulled her shirt and pants down and. Nice body. Small perky breasts.

Cost is 100, 000 vnd including a beverage.

I like that there is no hassle at this place. The price is cheap and upfront.

There are some on Huynh Man that. On the dark side of the street. They don't have helmets.

There are some standing by the park on Nguyen Chi Thanh. Are they ladyboys? Sorry, but the one I stopped and talked to had a husky voice and the other one just looked a little funny.

There was a woman on a bicycle parked at the end of the park. I was curious so drove over to her, but she didn't remove the mask so I felt cautious and moved on.

I picked one up this week. First time. I did a terrible job negotiating and so paid 300, 000. She started to direct me to a hotel, but I took her to my place. I think this surprised her, but she didn't mind. Wanted the money up front. Demanded it. I held firm that I would pay after and she gave in. She protested a little when I requested a variety of positions, but gave in easily. Not a GF experience, but nice fun girl.

you are right Sudsoz, raids are inevitable after so many reports.

Nail the World

Feel for you, been there before. But it's like calling 911 when a drug deal gone bad. Those guys won't be in business for long. There are legit short time rooms in the PNLao area that you can bring the girls there to avoid being ganged up.

Hi guys I passed by Ung Van Kiem street today and I saw a lot of Café om, I can bet! Did you someone already try it there? Just want some feedback.

Thanks

Drove around here today but came up empty. Talked to two girls who I asked to lower their masks. Neither would so I drove off. Saw two cute girls squatting on the curb at the park. When I drove by I thought they waved at me so I stopped. But it turned out to be the VN "no" wave. Either they weren't working or only take VN as customers.

I'm a selective buyer so I really want to see before agreeing. I guess night time is the way to go, but even then I don't see a lot to choose from here.

[QUOTE=Lakeoffire1]Hi guys I passed by Ung Van Kiem street today and I saw a lot of Café om, I can bet! Did you someone already try it there? Just want some feedback.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Here is a report:

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[QUOTE=D Cups]Mongers, if you like BIG ONES (.) (.) there were two young lovelies in Smileys when I was there last March with D sized cups. Cute, too, and not fat. Super sexy. They wanted 1,000,000 a piece (yeah right) but I negotiated to 600K including photos. I swear one of them must have the biggest tits in the whole country![/QUOTE]D Cups,

Ok, they are lovely, they have huge tits, you got them CHEAP at 600k WITH photos. Great for you. So where are the photos? Why not post them here in the photo gallery? What's the point of this info or this boast without the pictures?

JD

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Went back to a cafe om on PVT a couple times this week. I went to the nicer, cleaner looking one.

First time I met an ok looking 20 year old. Went for the massage. Mostly HJ with a little BJ. She pulled her pants down and shirt up. Nice firm breasts, but I was dismayed to find a little nipple hair.

Second time I met a cute 19 year old. Warned me up front that she did not do BJ. This didn't bother me as the last one hadn't really done much BJ either. She pulled her shirt and pants down and. Nice body. Small perky breasts.

Cost is 100, 000 vnd including a beverage.

I like that there is no hassle at this place. The price is cheap and upfront.[/QUOTE]What's street is pvt, or what is the cross street and name of the place.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]What's street is pvt, or what is the cross street and name of the place.

Thanks![/QUOTE]PVT- Phan Van Tri in go vap district.

Went with a buddy to a bia om in D5. We had our pick of several girls. Had some beers and a couple plates of food. (The food is not recommended! ) The girls wanted to open snacks and more beer, but did listen when we said no. Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. One of the girls spoke a little English. Total bill was 250, 000. Tipped each girl 100, 000. Tipped old women and waiter 50, 000 each at girls request (regretted this.). Oh, parking was 10, 000.

Got the girls phone #. She seems eager to meet.

Any advice on this?

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. [/QUOTE]Her job is to come in and help herself to a beer. ;)

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Went with a buddy to a bia om in D5. We had our pick of several girls. Had some beers and a couple plates of food. (The food is not recommended! ) The girls wanted to open snacks and more beer, but did listen when we said no. Older woman (what is her job? ) came in and helped herself to a beer. One of the girls spoke a little English. Total bill was 250, 000. Tipped each girl 100, 000. Tipped old women and waiter 50, 000 each at girls request (regretted this.). Oh, parking was 10, 000.

Got the girls phone #. She seems eager to meet.

Any advice on this?[/QUOTE]You are lucky that the bill is only 250 thous. You should have researched this forum before you go.

This place seems like a more legit beer om, many others are out to rip you off.

The older one is the mamasan. Frequent customers depend on her to reserve the right girl, or convince them to go out with you and such, for many new girls arriving from the province are very hesitant.

My friend hosts many of his international business clients in such a place. His mamasan gets big tips for reserving the best girls when they visit.

Oh, so I have her phone number.

I want to call and set something up.

How much should I pay? How should I play it?

Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.

[QUOTE=Lakeoffire1]Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your night but Welcome to Vietnam. Shit like this is common, Hard to find girls who are performers and not scamming money hungry *****s. There is a reason why many people prefer Thailand/Phil's/Cambo/Laos over Vietnam. Having said that there are also the gems you need to uncover and when you do its worthwhile going through all the dud roots.

[QUOTE=Lakeoffire1]Yesterday me and my friend wanted to get some chicks, so we tried the motorbike girls in XVNT. The price was 400000 for ST after negociation. Arrived in my bedroom, the girls was fast to get naked but no entertainment. Then well I got naked too and she showed me her condom, "hello" brand, I don't even trust this brand. But I was almost putting it when she said that I needed it because she got AIDS. I asked her 5times to repeat and she said so. I'm sorry but I don't put my dick in that hole. So well I have paid already (and I know it was already a mistake.) so I was ok for a BJ as it's less risky for this infection. Well she didn't want to do a BJ!

I said what the fuck is that girl and she was always looking me with her agressive face. I've been out. I tried to call my friend to inform him about that and he was also out, him because the girl was not moving at all.

Finally we came back home alone and full. Bad experience!

Hopefully the billard place we've been first on HBT was way better, as we won at the billard and my girl was very entertaining, sad that she was stupid to try to get a fuck for 1, 4M, sorry I'm not interested!

Hopefully my gf arrive next week.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like this place is to be avoided now. No way to know what % of clients use condoms with them, and if many don't then it seems as if the spread of this to other girls could be swift, since surely many clients would go back with other girls later and thereby spread the infection to the rest. I will say that when driving in that area, I have seen what look like African guys going there to pick up girls -- and I don't intend this in any racist way at all but the fact is that the incidence of HIV in Sub-Sahara Africa is by far the highest in the world. The main contributing factor is that guys there hate using condoms and are very resistent to taking precautions (and also many there believe such absurd myths like a good cure for AIDS is to have sex with a virgin). For us, this basically means that we need to avoid going with girls who get picked up by those guys (but how to know? you can't -- well, you heard here just now, I have seen them being picked up there by them). Someone should actually warn these girls.

All that said, it's also entirely possible this girl was BS'ing you.

I'm surprised you went ahead and got a BJ after hearing that news. Low risk isn't no risk. What if she had a sore in her mouth, for instance. No way to know. Be careful.

Sorry if this all seems paranoid and / or over the top. It's a pretty serious matter though, better to gamble on the safe side.

[QUOTE=Wendella]

All that said, it's also entirely possible this girl was BS'ing you.

[/QUOTE]

This possibility gets my vote. I doubt if a motogal would know what AIDS really is - most likely its a good excuse to get away without doing the deed.

My recent forays into the HBT bars have seen a lot of gals on the rags - probably for the same reason.

But you can't be sure so I agree with Wendella's words of caution.

Totally agree with Sudsoz. Just like the 'red flag' excuse, they just want to get out of there quickly. I don't know why you even fall for it.
Again, the warnings have been up there many times before and you guys just keep ignoring them or never bothered to do the homework in the forum.
Actions on the streets are generally to be avoided unless you're a tough SOB.

Well I'd definitely never be mistaken for a tough SOB, and I used to visit these areas on occassion. No serious problems for me. Not sure if that makes me lucky. But I'd say the risk of disease is just too high there. Not just AIDS but other kinds. These girls are pretty hardcore. They'll do as many customers in an evening as they can.

There is a HIV AIDS poster on that street near the bridge I think.

Also my wife tells me the girls and ladyboys that wait for customers along that stretch are full of HIV and other nasties. I tried asking her where there are clean girls and she just stared at me in disbelief.

[QUOTE=Columpuss]Totally agree with Sudsoz. Just like the 'red flag' excuse, they just want to get out of there quickly. I don't know why you even fall for it. Again, the warnings have been up there many times before and you guys just keep ignoring them or never bothered to do the homework in the forum.

Actions on the streets are generally to be avoided unless you're a tough SOB.[/QUOTE]It's not that I ignore the advises on the forum, I read everything and I knew that. Well it was a bad experience but that's not mean it's always like this and you can probably get something better on the other day.

So just me I want to share this experience in order to help us locate the good spot as well as the spot to avoid like this one. This is the goal of the forum.

After that I agree that the girls might have bullshiting me, but I'll never know and I prefer avoided as if I was drunk. Anyway I'm pretty sure that girl wouldn't have been great, so it's just better like this!

I have indulged myself about 4 times in this area and I have a 100% failure rate. I kept trying hoping that there would be one, just one, I could find who would understand the concept of service, but no. If I were to describe them in a few words I would call them "hardened cold blooded criminals". I am talking about both the mobile and stationary ones.

They are criminals. They are NOT hookers. The do not understand service. They run a scam hour after hour, day after day. Their only purpose is to fleece you of your money and do this to as many people as possible. They are cute and good looking ONLY up to the point where they receive your money. I kept giving this area a try because no report here had ruled it out completely, only mentioning that there "might" be a few good ones. I am here telling you this area has to be absolutely and unconditionally avoided. There's NOTHING here that will make you feel good. If there ever was something worth trying for, well, it's not there now. As of this date this is a crime scene.

They demand money upfront. They absolutely have to have it because they know if they were to be paid based on their service they won't make any money. Rule number one for engaging with a girl for P4P is to not pay in advance. It's the opposite in their books and it is for a reason. I had had some deals falls through because I insisted on not paying upfront. They are ready to let go of such clients. Now why on earth would a P4P girl let go of a client if the price is acceptable?

Once they have the money in their hands their robot gets into action. You have to play along because if you don't then you get cold hard stare that tells you in no uncertain terms that you are either in or out my friend.

In all cases I was out of the hotel in half an hour or less. They all had conditions that I would kick them out for if I had not paid in advance. In one case I was ready to kick the girl out within 5 minutes of her being in my hotel room. She had to be paid upfront, I did kick her out and she did get to keep all the money.

The thing is, if you don't like something, who are you going to complain to? There's no mamasan you can talk to, no address that you can review on the forum.

Avoid the fucking bitches driving around and standing still on the bridge and in the vicinity. This area is a scene of non stop crime, there's no mongering to be done here.

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[QUOTE=Nail The World]

Avoid the fucking bitches driving around and standing still on the bridge and in the vicinity. This area is a scene of non stop crime, there's no mongering to be done here.

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With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.[/QUOTE]

Sudsoz,

As reported in other threads, the request to link to the R of D is an automatic response for the first time a newbie posts a message of over a certain length. Looks even odder when a verbose new poster puts up a long list of info requests! Can't expect Jackson to read every post, though...

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]With all due respect to the editor or Jackson - why would we want this as a R of D? He is talking about an area that is well known for scams and he fails to follow the first rule given in these thread - that is to never pay up front.

There are other guys that are having success in this area so why give so much credibility to a report that goes against the trend.[/QUOTE]Nonsense.

There's not one report categorically ruling out this area except for what has been posted just recently. There are single encounter reports of unsatisfactory performance with the caveat that there "might" be some good apples. I am here telling everyone that for first 4-5 encounters there's nothing but dissatisfaction to be had. And I don't have the motivation to explore any further. With my personal experience I do not see any likelihood of any good fish at all. It's got be a highly exceptional case based primarily on the length of time you have been visiting that area. It may have worked in prehistoric times but today they do not have the attitude and behavior to encourage you to see them again. Money in their hands is the beginning and the end of the deal for them.

I am telling you what's happening right now. I believe that's what the forum is for. If you don't want to believe it, it's your problem. This report was not for you. It was for someone who wanted to find satisfaction in that area. There's none to be had. Someone new go there and make a deal without paying upfront. You can't. They will let you go. And because NO ONE had ruled it out completely I took a few chances. Here I am saying DO NOT go to the bridge connecting Nguyen Thi Minh Khai with Xo Viet N T.

Point me to the report that asks you to "avoid" that area. On second thought I can do without a pissing contest. As for R of D, I will do it myself.

Nailer - I don't need a pissing contest either.

But the advice is simple - if they want money up front then no deal. There is absolutely no way you will get satisfaction if they already have the money.

And I don't think that we are far apart on that - just that you were sufficiently curious or whatever to try it in order to see what happened.

Good luck with the motogals - there are many nicer morsels to be had in Vietnam.

Finally managed to screw a 9. Karaoke girl from Dist 5. 9 for me is a combination of looks, attitude and grace. This one had all of them.

I didn't even know about this area until a taxi driver I've been drinking coffee with for a month brought me to this area a few days ago. He took me to one which was ok, average girls but with splendid attitude. This is the one I went searching for but couldn't find it so I walked into another one.

When I walked in they were a little surprised, maybe because I was alone. Finally I was in the room and finally mamasan brought two girls. And all of a sudden I felt a rush of blood and my eyes widened. Are you kidding me? This is what I've been searching for all along! One total knockout with uninhibited smile, cheerful, unpretentious, confident but unassuming, perfect teeth, taller than average and the other one same height, fair, face better than average but not spectacular, shapely. My preferred one, girl #1 seemed a bit hesitant and laughingly motioned #2 to take the seat. After some hesitation from me they joked, "both?". "Yeah", cheers all around.

Pretty soon I got them singing Vietnamese songs and I targeted both of them alternately. #1 was very cooperative and as it turned out #2 was even more cooperative. She raised her level from 7 to 8 in my eyes. I made use of easy access to tits and found that she had ideal mango shaped tits. Soft body, she could be a 9 in your bed.

I was very impressed. I pulled out my phone and put it in front of #2. She was surprised. She picked it up and gave it back to me. What? I asked, "hotel?". She said no. Alright. Few minutes later I gave my phone to girl #1, she immediately punched in her number. "Ah", sigh of relief from me. "Hotel?". "Ok". Bingo. She was the one I wanted in the first place anyway. From here on full attention to #1 with interruptions on kissing initiatives of #2.

After hearing lot of Vietnamese songs it was time to go. Asked for the bill which I was a little shocked to see. But I noticed that they had already added generous tips for the girls. At this point of time in Vietnam I don't care about this kind of money anyway. Take this money but fucking deliver. Vietnamese haven't come across very well on the delivery side. These girls were outstanding. And I was there to run a show and get a number. This was the price I was going to pay. Once more chance in the name of Vietnamese chicks. As I was leaving I repeatedly confirmed with the girl that she was coming to the hotel.

11 o'clock she finished. Then she made several 20 second calls which I did not understand but which had the words "hotel, taxi, come". I would say yes then she would hang up. She came and delivered solid GFE. First time I can say this in Vietnam. And this from a 9. And she was not from the bars, or motorcycle or street.

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Nailer et al...

I do believe Nailer's experience there is his honest appraisal of the situation, his own at least. He and I did talk about (PM) how that area works, and what he reported back to me sounded like pretty likely outcomes. I'd say though that it sounded like he had higher expectations of what should be offered than what's normally on offer down there. Also have to keep in mind that that's a group that communicate with each other, and if you have a bad scene with one, you can pretty much bank on bad experiences with the rest after that. That bunch is usually WBTYM, but there are exceptions, or have been in the past. And no, not the 'prehistoric past' -- I think with line's like that he's just exaggerating because he feels irritated by how things went.

When he says 'it's the way it is now' -- I believe it's the way it is now for him, and I have to say that because: it's certainly not the way it was for me. And not that long ago. I don't trust his word over my own experience. On the other hand, it's also possible they've become more hardened recently. But I also have to say I'm not totally convinced of that based on just what I've seen reported form this one member.

Anyway, my current advice for this area, regardless, is to steer clear not due to this but because of the risk of disease, AIDS in particular. These girls do a LOT of business, and they must be about the highest risk working girls in the whole country. They do get picked up by African guys sometimes, and those are some very high risk customers. I hadn't taken this angle seriously enough until the guy who posted recently saying the girl he was with said she was infected. Maybe BS, (probably BS) but... it doeosn't take a genius to figure out which girls in VN would be the highest risk. The ones who sleep with the most different men the most often. Thats them to a T.

To Suds... I also don't think the no money upfront no deal, 0% satisfaction is a hard rule -- I've paid up front a few times and received amazingly good treatment. This segment in particular insist on it more and more these days, and I have a feeling it's due to their being ripped off that this has changed. I can think of 2 examples off top of my head who wanted pay first and then gave great performance.But you have to go by how it feels -- if you're sensing this is a ruthless type of girl, then no. Have to take chances sometimes.

My 2 cents.

I've had a few experiences in this area. And yes! 99% of the girls will ask for upfront, but it's really because these girls do really and can easily get shafted (literally as well). So, it's mainly to prevent guys from doing a runner or not paying the initial agreed amount.

Sure, some girls will then roll over and do the starfish, but then again, other girls will really get into it knowing that you're their to have sex and enjoy it, not their to have sex then rip her off.

What I've been able to do is build an understanding with a certain motel owner. So whenever I pick a girl, I will only go to this motel. The owner their will indicate to the girl that I'm a serious player and so immediately she's relaxed when we go to the room. There are only a few number of 'safe' motels that these girls use, so must of the girls already know the place I like. A lot of the times, with this arrangement I don't even have to pay upfront cause the girl knows that I'm not going to do a runner.

The cost? . I pay 100, 000 for the room instead of the usual 50, 000. But for the connivence (I don't have to hand over ID) and working relationship, it's well worth the extra few bucks.

So it's not a dead end down there, just got to have your wits about you, and try to play the situation to your favour.

Cheers

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[QUOTE=Wendella]Nailer et al...

the risk of disease, AIDS in particular.[/quote]Not wanting to be controversial, and to be sure there are plenty of STDs around so maybe wise to protect yourself, but does anyone actually know of anyone who has contracted "HIV/Aids" from heterosexual sex, whether with PFP girl or other. I'm not talking about anecdotal evidence of which there is a ton of course.

To my mind there are plenty of things to worry about in this world but this is not one of them.

Dear Seniors,

I will be visiting HCMC from 20/8/09 to 25/8/09.

Kindly advice on Bia Om and massage places.

Which hotel is GF and how much for ON gilrs.

Thank you.

I've always had great luck in the Nguyen Binh Khiem, XVNT, NTMK, Le Duan area. I have take dozens of girls to hotels in the area in the last five years and had barely a problem. Almost always a great hour or 90 mins of suck and fuck and 75% of the time full series pictures as well. Always pay 150k or 200k and 80k for a hotel. Many got only 100k till last year.

There is definitely some skill involved evidently (didn't realize it before, till reading here). If you go for a stunner in revealing, hot clothes who is cruising on a new Attila, Victoria, Elizabeth, Airblade etc. at night you may be in for a scam. I never choose those girls no matter how good they look. If you pay them before you get what you deserve: nothing. They are workers, not a charity. Money ALWAYS come last and if you pay them first, that's the end! I have many pics of girls I met in the area, usually start with them dressed, then undressing, then all sex, and often dressing and leaving. You can see how they dress, who to look for.

PM me if you need more info.

JD

[QUOTE=Macheath]Not wanting to be controversial, and to be sure there are plenty of STDs around so maybe wise to protect yourself, but does anyone actually know of anyone who has contracted "HIV/Aids" from heterosexual sex, whether with PFP girl or other. I'm not talking about anecdotal evidence of which there is a ton of course.

To my mind there are plenty of things to worry about in this world but this is not one of them.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how I can answer. You asked if we know of anyone who got the disease, but then you rule out anecdotal evidence, which if we did think of anyone, that's what it would be. "Anecdotal" means isolated individual examples. I guess you meant something else... anyway, it's not important. For me, back in the States I came face to face with plenty of people who had AIDS, some very advanced -- it's pretty chilling. How many? Dozens, I guess. I remember one co-worker in an office I was at for awhile. Emaciated with those brown patches all over. I didn't ask them how they got it, of course. In another forum -- Thailand and scene-related -- I've seen at least one member come on and announce to the community there that he'd contracted it. There might have been one other there too. (I remember another member who came on and said he was terminally ill -- but didn't reveal with what, so that one could have been another disease, or maybe not) (I can't post the site or URL acc to forum rules here but u can PM me for that -- you could go look at the guy's announcement even)

Whether you're going to worry about it or not is a personal choice. My guess is that people who post here, the more experienced you are, the higher the chance you've contracted SOMETHING at some point -- so many of you know by experience that it does happen. And Aids IS out there. Sex workers, females, do have much higher incidence of it than people in the mainstream -- and it is a health issue in Vietnam, hence the signs you see all over town. It's highest in the heroin scene -- and also high in prostitution -- and yes, hetero -- but keep in mind that some of these girls would be doing heroin too.

I guess anyone who wants to not worry about it can do that. But if it's an issue that's out there in the scene, then better for us to discuss it once in awhile here and be aware of it at least. Every person can make their own decisions of course, but better to do that based on knowing than ignorance.

There are websites that have the statistics by country -- so if that's what you are after, I've seen those and could just dig it up again. I expect Vietnam to be lower than most countries (in sub-Sahara Africa its huge for example) but definitely not a place where it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Johndao] If you go for a stunner in revealing, hot clothes who is cruising on a new Attila, Victoria, Elizabeth, Airblade etc. at night you may be in for a scam. [/QUOTE]

... or a ladyboy ;)

For the record, I've paid first and been treated extremely well. You have to go by the feel of it. If there's red flags (such as lots of cel phone calls as soon as you've picked her up and continuing jsut a bit too much) then of course don't do it. But I'll tell you, if you refuse to pay first, then if you met 2 of the girls I have, you'd be ruling out some great experiences. Judging by your prices, what you get and personal rules, I'd say you're a much harder (and better!) bargainer than I am. That's cool, takes all kinds.

About a year ago, I wanted to experience this scene as well. What I did is that I passed by one evening, and was approached by a motor bike girl who in my eyes was by far cute enough to motivate me to give her a try. I had a short chat with her saying that I had no time right then, had to go home, but would be willing to see her off hours any day soon. We traded phone numbers and a couple of days later early afternoon met in a coffee shop, and on we were to my favourite hotel not too far from there. There ensued a good session, with all regular features and no worries whatsoever.

A good memory, I would do it again.

My Karaoke report got buried in this dialog! As of now I have the feeling that this should have been my source number one for chicks, the karaokes of district 5, with the caveat that they can only see you after 11pm. Also, their English skills are 0 to 1, including those of mamasan's at some places. But in such a case it should be possible to find another girl who can help communicate. Get her to be part of your group.

This one who had slept for a night at my place has gone to see her folks and I would love to do without beer for few days anyway. She was excited about the idea of going to a nightclub. I will see how it goes but so far it is looking good. In the morning I had asked the motorbike guy to not take payment from her but he told me she insisted on paying, a welcome break from the clamor of "tip, tip, tip".

This is directed to nail, johndao, sudoz, or any other person who knows.

I have been in viet for awhile and im knowledgeble in a few areas, but one area i havent yet tried is the kareoke or bia om thing. My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, and how much is a typical night at either a kareoke or bia om. Finally i know a few bio om on tran phu and hung vuong, but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia om or in nails case the karoke and the total price?

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]This is directed to nail, johndao, sudoz, or any other person who knows.

I have been in viet for awhile and im knowledgeble in a few areas, but one area i havent yet tried is the kareoke or bia om thing. My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, and how much is a typical night at either a kareoke or bia om. Finally i know a few bio om on tran phu and hung vuong, but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia om or in nails case the karoke and the total price?[/QUOTE]

I have only been to upmarket Karaoke with clients - usually Japanese so I can't help much. Did go once to a Bia Om in Phuong Tan Dinh area but again with business people so not very productive. Definitely a language barrier that could be overcome by actions.

These places tend to get raided if they become too prominent - unless they have deep pockets like Boss at Fortuna in Hanoi.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure how I can answer. You asked if we know of anyone who got the disease, but then you rule out anecdotal evidence, which if we did think of anyone, that's what it would be. "Anecdotal" means isolated individual examples.[/quote]W - don't have dictionary at hand but I interpret "anecdotal" as something heard second hand or further back, often not much different from rumour. An anecdote is a short story and often goes eg. my friends brother in law met someone who told him ....OR I haven't seen so and so for a long time, someone told me he might have contracted something. Anecdotal "evidence" can be helpful but wouldn't rely on it.

I can add more about HIV/Aids if anyone interested or just leave it at that. I know we live in the age of experts where you even need advice on how to feed yourself, but some of us can look around and make up our own minds.

[QUOTE=Macheath]W - don't have dictionary at hand but I interpret "anecdotal" as something heard second hand or further back, often not much different from rumour. An anecdote is a short story and often goes eg. my friends brother in law met someone who told him ....OR I haven't seen so and so for a long time, someone told me he might have contracted something. Anecdotal "evidence" can be helpful but wouldn't rely on it.

I can add more about HIV/Aids if anyone interested or just leave it at that. I know we live in the age of experts where you even need advice on how to feed yourself, but some of us can look around and make up our own minds.[/QUOTE]

I don't think 'anecdotal' means it's dubious hearsay. I think the word means something more like not comprehensive or not scientific -- just individual accounts/examples that might or might not represent the overall trend. Like what I just mentioned was my own experience, but then there's probably a lot more people who didn't have the same experience, so mine's just anecdotal. but if you think about it, almost everything posted in these forums is anecdotal. Anyway, not important.

I'm no expert at all on this, just another guy. This is a place for non-experts to share their non-expert advice. This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right? I mean, yes it's a downer, makes people uncomfortable... but that's what it is. Anyway, I said what I wanted to about it... don't have anything to add. People can PM me for links if they want to know more.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]My question is is it weird to go to bia om by yourself, [/QUOTE]How the fuck does it matter? It's weird for who? You aren't going to live your life out of that place, so go do what you want.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken] and how much is a typical night at either a karaoke or bia om. [/QUOTE]In my case I was clear about my goal. I was there to run a show and get a phone number, so I couldn't have hesitated about the bill. Also, there's no way in hell I am going back there again. It was just for once. If I did go there again they would push the same girls to me which would not serve my purpose. I let them open as much of anything they wanted (Tiger beer) and tipped generously. In both cases the bill was 1.4m. In one case I tipped 200K each to three people and in one case they added 400K tip for each of the two beauties. This is about Karaokes in dist 5.

One day I was just strolling around Le Than Ton and Thi Sach and saw an alley with lot of lights. I walked over and saw Karaoke after Karaoke from end to end. The very first one said "Japanese". I walked all the way down the street to have a look and back to go check out what the fuck do they mean by "Japanese". Again, I was by myself. The girl who I picked was an absolute knockout, the kind you would see in the house of a young CEO. Not all girls were like this mind you. Got her number, she ruled out going to hotel, so discussed going out during daytime a few days later. The night before at midnight she sends me message, "tomorrow can you buy me a new phone?". I deleted her number.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]but can u guys post a few address of reputable bia om[/QUOTE]Can't help you with that but you seem to be on the right track.

Few more words come to mind -

Drive through fucking.

Assembly line fornication.

She stopped, she fucked, she drove.

Chicken, how would rate the girls at cafe oms in dist 6 and damsen from 1 to 10 in terms of their appearance and attitude?

What is damsen?

This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right?

Absolutely agree - especially good if you can discuss an issue with someone who's actually thought about it.

I don't have much to add but maybe just a bit more on anecdotal evidence on this issue. You brought up the Thailand board - there's a number of guys there who openly state/boast that they are only interested in sex without condom. One especial idiot, can't remember the name, supposedly and ludicrously goes around with health certificates which he produces to the girls to show that he's disease free and infertile - boasts that he's had over 100 P4P girls in Bangkok without condom, and he does all sorts. Another member, Opebo, who to me comes across as the smartest although maybe disreputable Thailand poster, shuns the use of condoms and also chooses from the bargain basement. Note also that these guys are into anal which seems to be the gold standard service in Thailand - why this should be so is maybe another issue to discuss.

Now if these anecdotal reports have any truth there's a lot of high risk behaviour over there and the virus should be rife and people dropping like flies. I can't read his mind but I'd say that Opebo for one, who self medicates to cure other STD's so obviously accepts that unprotected sex has risks, has concluded that he's not in danger of getting the virus from a girl. On the other hand there's many reports of guys having a moment of weakness and not using the condom, or the condom breaks etc. and they talk of the 3 months of worries and sleepless nights ahead while waiting for the test results. The idiot with the health certificates supposedly keeps getting re tested - would think that at some stage he'd wake up and think maybe not risky after all. This guy however is such an idiot that his reports are likely fantasies of a one handed typist.

I think an interesting study, obviously never going to happen of course, would be to use some of the truckloads of HIV/AIDS research money for funding bareback customers of sex workers, and the workers themselves, to pursue their hobby/occupation - keep records and test them all after 6 months or a year. After all would just be paying them to scientifically do what they're already doing. Might shed a bit of light on actual risks.

To change the subject to 2 other anecdotes going around:

1. The cops are stopping foreigners riding motorbikes and checking for licence and ownership papers - if you can't produce then bike gets impounded. I might be worried about this one.

2. Motor bike and bar girls are putting drugs on their nipples to knock out their customers before robbery. Interesting idea but don't think that nipple lickers should be too worried about this one - robberies here are generally pretty low tech.

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I do not have figures for VN, however in Australia, about 5% of those contracting HIV were by heterosexual sex. The vast majority are homosexual or intravenous drug users.

I am not a condom user, and when I get home from a trip, I always go to my doc to get a full blood test for any possible diseases. So far none

My doc was initially horrified that I do not use condom, but I painted the basic picture pf statistics.

We have about 20 million Australians, half are male, 10 million, about half are sexually active, 5 million.

In Australia, average rate of sex is once per month. hence 60 million fucks per year.

Infection rate for HIV/AIDS is about 1100 per year.

60,000,000 fucks leading to 1100 infections is about 1:60,000, that is, negligible risk.

However if we consider heterosex only, infection rate is about 50 per year, that is a risk factor of 1:1.2million. Almost infinitely small risk.

He really sat back. Said he had never thought of it like that, just took the propaganda that is dished up by the authorities to create fear.

So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me.

he is about 40.

Make up your own mind.

G

[QUOTE=Gangles]
So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me.
[/QUOTE]

Hm. Dunno. Authorities? Create fear? That could be taken to sound like AIDS isn't real, it's a conspiracy. That's not what you mean, I hope.

What I mentoined before, I'm actually not allowed to post the link here to that guy's report where he lets people in that other forum know that his test came back positive. I actually tried to PM the link to Macheath but he can't receive messages. Anyway, the statistics didn't help that guy much.

Not sure if you caught it but we were talking about some motorbike girls, ones who do a few customers per night. These girls might be doing over 1000 guys in a year. And they do drugs, and some of them probably do heroin.

Your stats are for general population, but we're not talking about any kind of average or common profile here. What are the statistics of drug-using prostitutes who have multiple partners per day? What % of those 10 million Aussie guys are going around banging heaps of different girls like these? I'm guessing very few.

I'd say out in the real world, with non-promiscuous girls, ok then even I'd probably go without condom sometimes. But with hookers? Like these? No way.

The figures are interesting but so are the practicalities. Think for a moment about the way an average VN girl goes off - they are gushers and the juices go everywhere including places that the condom does not cover. So my thinking is that the condom does more to protect the girl than the guy in these circumstances.

That means that we should be encouraging the active girls to use condoms because that protects them from guys that have something and down the track provides a degree of protection to us.

Personally I seek to develop relationships with the non-active girls that abound and tend to do them raw. If I take out from somewhere I cover it.

But is not foolproof.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]11 o'clock she finished. Then she made several 20 second calls which I did not understand but which had the words "hotel, taxi, come". I would say yes then she would hang up. She came and delivered solid GFE. First time I can say this in Vietnam. And this from a 9. And she was not from the bars, or motorcycle or street.[/QUOTE]How much $ for the GFE?

[QUOTE=Macheath]This (AIDS) is one aspect of the scene. It should be ok for us to discuss it, right?

Absolutely agree - especially good if you can discuss an issue with someone who's actually thought about it.[/QUOTE]

Well, I have, honest. Hope you're not implying I haven't.

OK no, I wasn't talking about the Thailand area of THIS forum. I was talking about one based in Thailand called Thai three sixty (type the numerals). If you go to that one you can find the posts I mentoined. (its the current incarnation of some others that were huge there a few years back called Nana plaza and Nana pong -- same people, lots of long time expats). Anyway, if you go there, do an advanced search to find posts over a year ago from a member named Junglesoup, it's one titled Warning to Everyone...

So on this individual level, we now know of 2 guys who engage in unprotected sex and are fine so far, and one who isn't. I think if we look it up we're going to find statistics that there are plenty of people dying of AIDS in Thailand. I'm going to guess tens of thousands per year, and probably infection rates much higher than anywhere else in SEA. That's rife enough for me.

I don't remember this Opebo guy -- he's disreputable... over this... or?

If you want an example of how it can and does spread among heteros, just look at sub-Saharan (black) Africa. Enormous rates and spread mainly by hetero sex, especially cheap hookers. Annual death toll tops a million and infection rates in some countries over 20% (adults). I'd be curious to hear Opebo's explanation for this, since over there AIDS is being transmitted mainly by people doing exactly what Opebo is doing.

Your idea of a study: accepted medical view is that unprotected sex with people who have HIV risks contracting the disease, and therefore risks death. So I think the main reason that study wouldn't happen, at least not set up that way, is because it would be seen as diabolical to send people out into what are considered high-risk situations just to see what happens. But to know if it's risky or not, it probably can be learned by studying how the disease gets contracted -- can it be contracted from a vagina? -- and if so under what conditions (during a period, for example, or if there are open sores inside, or when exactly). Basically, if her blood has the virus, and that gets inside you somehow, that's when it gets dangerous, as I understand it.

Hi there,

I've been a reader of this forum for a longtime but never really took the time to post a report or comment the ones online, so... here i come!

I'd like to share about the Ntmk/xvnt area, after i've read what ppl write about it, especially Nail The World, who looks like having a very bad opinion of this scene. Have to say first, I kinda agree with him.

The thing is that I'm living in that area, perhaps two minutes away from the bridge, in Binh Tanh. So this is my daily way to go downtown, and come back home. So, I know well the area.

Facts about the place:

- Yes, you can find some pretty chicks.

- The turn over is important. The scene is a mix of newbies and regulars - don't go with the regulars. They're usually un-friendly and dirty.

- Price to fuck is 500k. You can try to bargain, but most of them just leave you if you decrease your price. Which makes me think they've a lot of customers so they allow themselves to be so picky.

- You can get cheaper one, if she's a newbie. So go for it.

- Nobody speak english. Don't even try. The only word they all know: "money".

- I haven't seen a lot of westerns mongering there. Am i blind?

- Service isn't good. Don't expect to find a friendly chick ready to please you. It's all business. They want to do it quick.

- Some of them ask the money upfront, and leave you if you refuse. Of course, never pay upfront.

- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.

- Most of gals want to take you in a hotel around. They hardly accept to follow you in your place. Even though i'm living two minutes away. But some are ok.

- They talk a lot to each other. If you mess up with one, all the gals of the area will avoid you. If you're fine with one, they will all be ok to go with you.

- This place is the police private gardenyard. They own everything, and have eyes everywhere. You see some in uniforms hidden in the park, on the brige, and lot of undercover fellas everywhere. Be aware that they know everything about you. The good thing is that it's very safe. The bad thing is that if you get trouble with their business, they will make your life impossible. So, be smart: never disturb the money flow. Nobody wants trouble with the cops here.

- Be extremly careful : those girls are professional robbers. Hide everything, and never leave your eyes from them once she's with you.

- Make sure no young fella on a motorbike is following you at distance if you take a girl back home. I've noticed some doing this to me already. The good thing is that I'm riding a a big sport motorbike, so they can't really compete :-). Some of those fellas can get into your house when you fuck the girl and rob you something. Watch out.

My experience so far: I took three girls home from there.

- One ugly chick, probably junkie and dirty. I was drunk, it was dark. I realized how bad she was back home. Gave 400k for a very bad service.

- One very cute young chick. I gave her 300k. She was shy, but very nice. And she really wanted to please me. Good service.

- One nice girl with awesome tits (big, round, crazy!). I took her for 500k. Bad service, was always asking for "boom boom" and didn't want to suck my cock. Had to insist a lot to have what I was ready to pay for.

I have to say 2 or 3 times I had 100% failure rate there. No chick wanted to follow me home, or they left me because I refused to pay upfront.Once a 9 (very beautiful!) followed me home, but just left because I refused to pay upfront. I was pissed. Then I went back to the scene, but she told all the chicks around I wasn't a good payer. Fucking *****.

My opinion about the Ntmk/xvnt scene: avoid it if possible. If you're really hungry, if you have time and if you don't get mad if one of them refuses you, then you can find a gal and have quick fun. But remember: service is bad.

Hope this helps ppl who have never been there.

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money... Any help appreciated.

Cheers, and sorry for approximate english.

From my experience with these girls, are they are friendly, but its all a quicky scenario, ie they go in the room to blow you and try to do it as fast as possible, so some of the good experienced ones can achieve that in 5-10 mins. In appearance wise I would give them from 4-7/10, and attitude 7/10. Basically its a very cheap way of cumming and witha 18-25 yr old girl. It definately isn't the same as a gfe. As to the kareoke thing, it seems quite expensve, ie 1.4 mill + the fee to the girl later which I'm guessing is another mill. I have a local viet business man I know who has given me numbers of freelance girls that are going for 1 mill, I haven't taken up the offer, as I have been trying my own ways. It seems that I have a few hot toc girls willing to see me after work and I'm guessing I would give them higher rates than moto girls but not much more, I'm guesssing 500-700k overnight. Or 300 for an hour.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]From my experience with these girls, are they are friendly, but its all a quicky scenario, ie they go in the room to blow you and try to do it as fast as possible, so some of the good experienced ones can achieve that in 5-10 mins. In appearance wise I would give them from 4-7/10, and attitude 7/10. Basically its a very cheap way of cumming and witha 18-25 yr old girl. It definately isn't the same as a gfe. As to the kareoke thing, it seems quite expensve, ie 1.4 mill + the fee to the girl later which I'm guessing is another mill. I have a local viet business man I know who has given me numbers of freelance girls that are going for 1 mill, I haven't taken up the offer, as I have been trying my own ways. It seems that I have a few hot toc girls willing to see me after work and I'm guessing I would give them higher rates than moto girls but not much more, I'm guesssing 500-700k overnight. Or 300 for an hour.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your description. About the karaoke, the price I quoted is pretty much the max you can expect to pay if you let yourself go unabashedly - two chicks, unlimited beer. There's another gentleman (monger) here who was able to party for 250K. Even with my scenario if you go with one chick the price cuts into half. If you spend only one hour rather than two hours the price drops more. If you take control of what's being consumed it gets even better. All of a sudden it becomes reasonable.

I did spend a mil but she didn't even count when she had it in her hand. She may be thinking bf/gf, I don't know. My plan was always to drop the price to the range you have mentioned for subsequent encounters.

[QUOTE=Hyatt]
- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.
[/QUOTE]

The foreigners that I saw there were black Africans. I've seen them there twice, and don't go there too often, so... if the girls go without condoms, this is a real bad combination.

I was looking over at the Bangkok Reports thread here and a guy just reported there about a girl he knew from Thermae who died of AIDS, then went on to mention that he knew of 20 girls who had since he's living in Thailand (17 yrs there, he said) and also farangs.

Just be careful.

[QUOTE=Wendella]The foreigners that I saw there were black Africans. I've seen them there twice, and don't go there too often, so... if the girls go without condoms, this is a real bad combination.

I was looking over at the Bangkok Reports thread here and a guy just reported there about a girl he knew from Thermae who died of AIDS, then went on to mention that he knew of 20 girls who had since he's living in Thailand (17 yrs there, he said) and also farangs.

Just be careful.[/QUOTE]

That is one reason why I am not very interested in the BKK commercial scene and have a similar attitude to the development of a similar scene in HCMC.

As far as I am concerned there are many local gals in SGN who want to improve their english and this provides an opening to relatively non-commercial and safer opportunities that just don't seem to exist in BKK.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money.

Any help appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hyatt]Hi there,

I've been a reader of this forum for a longtime but never really took the time to post a report or comment the ones online, so... here i come!

I'd like to share about the Ntmk/xvnt area, after i've read what ppl write about it, especially Nail The World, who looks like having a very bad opinion of this scene. Have to say first, I kinda agree with him.

The thing is that I'm living in that area, perhaps two minutes away from the bridge, in Binh Tanh. So this is my daily way to go downtown, and come back home. So, I know well the area.

Facts about the place:

- Yes, you can find some pretty chicks.

- The turn over is important. The scene is a mix of newbies and regulars - don't go with the regulars. They're usually un-friendly and dirty.

- Price to fuck is 500k. You can try to bargain, but most of them just leave you if you decrease your price. Which makes me think they've a lot of customers so they allow themselves to be so picky.

- You can get cheaper one, if she's a newbie. So go for it.

- Nobody speak english. Don't even try. The only word they all know: "money".

- I haven't seen a lot of westerns mongering there. Am i blind?

- Service isn't good. Don't expect to find a friendly chick ready to please you. It's all business. They want to do it quick.

- Some of them ask the money upfront, and leave you if you refuse. Of course, never pay upfront.

- I have no idea about AIDS prevalence in the area. What I know is that there's no problem to fuck them without condoms. Be careful, except if you like living dangerously.

- The park below is full of heroin junkies. Always check the arms and the teeths of a gal if you wanna fuck her.

- Most of gals want to take you in a hotel around. They hardly accept to follow you in your place. Even though i'm living two minutes away. But some are ok.

- They talk a lot to each other. If you mess up with one, all the gals of the area will avoid you. If you're fine with one, they will all be ok to go with you.

- This place is the police private gardenyard. They own everything, and have eyes everywhere. You see some in uniforms hidden in the park, on the brige, and lot of undercover fellas everywhere. Be aware that they know everything about you. The good thing is that it's very safe. The bad thing is that if you get trouble with their business, they will make your life impossible. So, be smart: never disturb the money flow. Nobody wants trouble with the cops here.

- Be extremly careful : those girls are professional robbers. Hide everything, and never leave your eyes from them once she's with you.

- Make sure no young fella on a motorbike is following you at distance if you take a girl back home. I've noticed some doing this to me already. The good thing is that I'm riding a a big sport motorbike, so they can't really compete :-). Some of those fellas can get into your house when you fuck the girl and rob you something. Watch out.

My experience so far: I took three girls home from there.

- One ugly chick, probably junkie and dirty. I was drunk, it was dark. I realized how bad she was back home. Gave 400k for a very bad service.

- One very cute young chick. I gave her 300k. She was shy, but very nice. And she really wanted to please me. Good service.

- One nice girl with awesome tits (big, round, crazy!). I took her for 500k. Bad service, was always asking for "boom boom" and didn't want to suck my cock. Had to insist a lot to have what I was ready to pay for.

I have to say 2 or 3 times I had 100% failure rate there. No chick wanted to follow me home, or they left me because I refused to pay upfront.Once a 9 (very beautiful!) followed me home, but just left because I refused to pay upfront. I was pissed. Then I went back to the scene, but she told all the chicks around I wasn't a good payer. Fucking *****.

My opinion about the Ntmk/xvnt scene: avoid it if possible. If you're really hungry, if you have time and if you don't get mad if one of them refuses you, then you can find a gal and have quick fun. But remember: service is bad.

Hope this helps ppl who have never been there.

Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.

Btw, anyone knows a place where to pick up gals to take them home, for no more than 500k? I'm still looking for a nice scene in town, but don't find any. Like a place where students girl go with you to make a bit of money... Any help appreciated.

Cheers, and sorry for approximate english.[/QUOTE]Great post, very informative!! I will have to try linda's out. Hopefully I can get some GFE!! '' I speak viet''

[QUOTE=Hyatt]Today, I've been to Linda, 29 dong khoi, D1. Nice bar, very cheap drinks, a lot of very pretty chicks. They sit with you and let you touch them everywhere (everywhere). If the mamasan is here (Linda) 300k for blowjob and 500k to fuck. But she wasn't, so the girls asked for 500k for blowjob. I said no. But it was lot of fun. Place I recommand.[/QUOTE]Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.

I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

Last week I went and had a very good BJ but still hadn't finished. So the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. Rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a HJ. Got the job done.

Then this week I went and picked a woman I had had before. She is good. Pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. First time I was with her she amazed me. She will give a BJ like a machine. I sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. Like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. This time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. Then, I requested that she come up on the table. She crouched over me and did the 69 and I finished.

The girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when I request it.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Don't know about Linda's but this is also known as Bar 29 and it is the reincarnation of the old U2 bar. The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood. Upstairs is where the action is.[/QUOTE]

For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz] The cattle is a blend of the dirty old bitches with lots of new blood.[/QUOTE]Also fellow human beings doing what they need to survive - probably someone's mother, daughter, sister etc.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Well, I have, honest. Hope you're not implying I haven't.
[/QUOTE]Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.

[QUOTE=Wendella]For some reason I think I've only been there when the former are in attendance.[/QUOTE]

I have found some real gems in there - I ask mama for the newest ones. Many do not last past week one.

An Macheath is right about daughters etc but in the end we are the customers and able to make a choice

[quote=milkweed]i've been going to a bj hot toc in d1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. i am a bit slow to finish. and this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

last week i went and had a very good bj but still hadn't finished. so the woman jumps up on the table and does simulated sex. rubs her bare crotch over my balls while giving me a hj. got the job done.

then this week i went and picked a woman i had had before. she is good. pretty, big sensual lips, and a nice attitude. first time i was with her she amazed me. she will give a bj like a machine. i sometimes fantasize that she is a futuristic sex android. like if the energizer bunny gave bjs. this time she surprised me by putting her finger in my bum. then, i requested that she come up on the table. she crouched over me and did the 69 and i finished.

the girls here have also got up on the table with me to cuddle a little after when i request it.

the house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. the girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. i tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.[/quote]
i think i know the place and the woman you described weed. i don't particularly care for her style, but admittedly it is very efficient. watching her i thought she was a movie running at a fast speed. if it's the place i think, all the girls there are chosen for skills and ability to 'get the job done' as you say. there is no negotiating price, all is standard. nobody gets you going and then talks money, they just do their job effectively and efficiently and if they don't, they are gone. the woman you mention, is she about early mid 30's with a slim frame and balloon-like artificial tits? her daughter sometimes running around the place? sucks and does hj like a manic crazy, yes, the energizer bunny, that's her. i just don't really like her, that's me, not my taste but i see why others would. yes, great place and several more like it. that's why i have to laugh at the idea of the 300k tip hj or the upstairs hbt bar for 500k bj.
jd

[QUOTE=Gangles]I do not have figures for VN, however in Australia, about 5% of those contracting HIV were by heterosexual sex. The vast majority are homosexual or intravenous drug users.

I am not a condom user, and when I get home from a trip, I always go to my doc to get a full blood test for any possible diseases. So far none

My doc was initially horrified that I do not use condom, but I painted the basic picture pf statistics.

We have about 20 million Australians, half are male, 10 million, about half are sexually active, 5 million.

In Australia, average rate of sex is once per month. hence 60 million fucks per year.

Infection rate for HIV/AIDS is about 1100 per year.

60,000,000 fucks leading to 1100 infections is about 1:60,000, that is, negligible risk.

However if we consider heterosex only, infection rate is about 50 per year, that is a risk factor of 1:1.2million. Almost infinitely small risk.

He really sat back. Said he had never thought of it like that, just took the propaganda that is dished up by the authorities to create fear.

So, as a single guy, he has now abandoned condoms, which he hates as much as me. He is about 40.

Make up your own mind.
G[/QUOTE]
Gangles, this is really a very funny and dangerous misuse of statistics. Your conclusions about condom use are totally false. You can't take the overall infection rate and assume it is the same for all persons regardless of risk factors. The fact is, higher risk factors, greater chance of disease. A disease-free monogamous heterosexual couple has almost no risk of infection. But a man visiting multiple prostitutes and having sex without protection has an entirely different risk factor. To lump them both together with a national rate. . . just doesn't work.

To use an analogy, let's say you are talking about auto accidents. I'll just use a made-up number as an example. Let's say that 1 out of 80,000 auto trips results in an accident. You feel it's a negligible number, you should be safe. You also like to drive while drinking and texting. But you assume as the road accident rate is so negligible at 1 out of 80,000, that drinking and texting should be fine. Actually, the accident rate for those who drink and text is much higher than 1 out of 80,000 and much lower than for those who do not.

To use the overall infection rate as the same as the risk factor rate for non-monogamous sex without condoms, well, it should be obvious it's not the same. But if you really don't want to use condoms with multiple hoes, then maybe you have convinced yourself it should be ok. It's not. Also, getting a blood test after the fact does not protect you from any disease, but it does help in getting early treatment or not infecting others.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]I've been going to a BJ hot toc in D1 for some time now, but had a couple firsts lately. I am a bit slow to finish. And this place is amazing in their determination to get you done.

The house fee here is 100, 000 for foreigners. The girls are ok with a 100, 000 tip. I tip an extra 20, 000 for good service.[/QUOTE]Where's this gem?

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Where's this gem?[/QUOTE]

I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella. ;)

[QUOTE=Macheath]Sorry. My meaning was that you obviously had thought about the issue. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions.

I'm happy to leave it at that and agree to disagree except hard not to have the last word in this sort of conversation. 2 points:

- There's a large percentage of foreigners, don't know about local customs, having unprotected sex in Asia. Maybe not a majority, who knows, but large;

- I'd be wary of believing anything coming out of Africa. People die of everything there, and you can die of about 20 different things and they'll call it AIDS. Not to be too obvious but rumours/untruths out of Africa are a major reason that the Bush administration got involved in Iraq, apparently believing that Saddam was sourcing nuclear material from Nigeria.[/QUOTE]

OK I agree to agree to agree to disagree and leave it at that, and therefore feel compelled to respond to your "final" points with my own, which seem likely to become part of a long series of final points. ;)

Yes there are lots of people, foreigners and locals alike, engaging in unprotected sex. With hookers? I'd be surprised if it was most. I'd be surprised if it was more than 10%. Statistics say that millions die per year of it worldwide. I dont' see any reason to doubt these numbers. I can't understand why anyone would presume that foreigners are immune because they come from other countries. Are you suggesting HIV requires a racial match in order to be transmitted? I'm just trying to figure out the rationale here.

Your 2nd point seems to imply that you don't believe people are dying of AIDS in Africa. If I got that straight, I think I don't even need to take it further, can let people judge for themselves where you're coming from with this. At some point you have to move beyond living in a world constructed only of doubts and actually check to see what evidence exists. In this case, you'd find overwhelming evidence from all kinds of legitimate sources that AIDS is an enormous problem in Africa.

Can we at least agree that HIV passes from one person to another, and it does so by one person's infected blood getting inside the body of another person?

It is quite normal to find 200k places such as 90 dbp or 300 something dbp, there is also some more around that area, i have heard about, but those places are on the edge of dist 3, dist 1 and tan binh. I have never come across any that is in dist 1 proper. It would be nice if Johndao or Milkweed at least list the street name.

Thanks in advance

Your comments regarding the 200k bj hot toc, those wouldnt be the ones found near and around cho da kao in Dist 1?

[QUOTE=Wendella]I know! It's like, hey I found the best place -- it's cheap, it's awesome. Gotta go, bye.

Thanks for sharing, fella. ;)[/QUOTE]Oh, I thought we didn't give out specifics like addresses and names...? PM me.

I really just posted this to show what is possible. My first Hot Toc experience in Saigon was really terrible. I got overcharged and underserved big time. I found the gem with the help of this forum and a little trial and error.

I don't remember seeing any mention of it here, but there are a few SWs on Cong Hoa. Some are on motorbikes and a few standing on the sidewalk.coming from the airport to downtown look for them between the Yummy Yummy Restaurant and the Bookstore. I only see them on the right hand side. If you get to Saigon Shoes, you've gone too far.

Well, whaddya know, upon mention of a new kind of opportunity by Mutantchicken I gave it a shot. All I have to say is one word - interesting.

There are a couple of "Cafe & Music" shops right across from Damsen park. Turns out they are really cafe and music shops. I went inside one of them, had a cafe sua da and hesitatingly asked the girl who had taken a seat next to me for a massage. She politely said no, but we have Karaoke. That's not what I was there for so I politely got the hell out of there.

Then I walked away from the gate towards another cafe shop which had its outside made of bamboo sticks with some greenery spread amongst. From the open entrance you can see there's another entrance inside beyond which everything is dark. This had to be the one and it certainly was.

As I walked in my eyes landed on one of the most gorgeous figures I have ever seen on planet Earth. She was wearing minimal dress and displaying the artwork that God engages in creating only once in a while. She had a 7 face and a 10+ figure. It was her turn apparently so she came over and asked me to take a seat on one of the chairs arranged in at least 5 rows. The room was 30% lit. I took the corner most chair because I was the only customer at that time. And because I didn't know better I asked for a cafe sua da. Later I were to find out that customers walk in, get into action straightaway, and walk out. She got the unusual request fulfilled, took a seat next to me, disinterestedly slapped at my dick and looked the other way.

The way it works is that they sit in your lap, you can fondle and caress and hug, and they jerk you off in your trousers. This is what I mean by "interesting". Titty caressing is allowed but all my attempts to get the tit in my mouth were pushed back. Opening the zip is not allowed either. Now I am not sure how they clean you up after the deed or whether they clean you up at all because I couldn't get off. She had a body made in heaven but her attitude was lacking. Considering how much traffic they have and how much they get paid for their effort it is understandable. Payment in Vietnam however hasn't had a decent correlation with service anyway but I digress.

After some effort which she thought was decent enough by her estimates she gave up. I engaged another chick for continued operation. She sat in the lap and barely tried. The outcome was negative. She had slightly better attitude and not as smoking hot body. She was 25 and the previous one was 21.

50K for each of the chicks, 20K each for two cafe sua das. I saw a total of 4 girls in there, 3 were under 25 & decent enough and one may have been 35. There were 25-30 chairs which allow for multiple customers to be serviced in that room. At one point of time there were three shaggings going on.

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[QUOTE=Wendella] a long series of final points.[/QUOTE]You're right this could go on forever and too difficult to discuss by this method with misunderstandings etc.

So not to continue the argument and instead just state what I THINK is a sensible course of action - I THINK that it's always advisable, sensible, considerate etc to use condoms if you're having sex outside of a monogomous sexual relationship - because of the risk of unwanted pregnancy and STDs.

I ALSO THINK that sex with condom is usually not so bad and sometimes better than as nature intended.

I ALSO THINK that HIV/Aids has been hijacked by various interest groups who would have us believe that it's the world's biggest health issue and we're all at risk. Witness the new poster girl for HIV/Aids who is appearing all around town. If this girl is representative of any risk group then I'll go heave.

Hey Guys,

What are some good website to pick up girls in VN to send you naked pics or hook up with them for some freebies?

Nail,

That was what I was referring to, and thats the right price, 20k for cofee and 50k for the girl for her to be groped and om etc. I don't think its good value, but you can ask the girl to meet after work etc. I rather go to my 70k BJ places. I have also gone to the shop you referred to but I had a much more intimate encounter. Prob because I'm viet Kieu and early 30's.

OK... sure we can stop. I was just a bit worried some people had the idea there isn't much risk to go with those motorbike girls. I'd say those are probably the highest risk girls in this country.

I'm not aware of groups who try to scare people about AIDS for deceptive reasons. Better to err on the side of safety, I don't see how people are harmed by using condoms to bonk hooers, or how anyone could gain by deceiving people into believing that (if thats' what they were doing, which I don't think they are). In Africa, if anything the leaders there were trying to suppress information about it and endorse myths about it. Mbeki saying there was no link between HIV and AIDS for example.

I'm not sure what woman on a poster you're referring to, will look for it. I mostly see the one with the dancing condom-man with his big smile. What's the message there, I wonder. ;)

Anyway... wow some interesting posts today.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]Well, whaddya know, upon mention of a new kind of opportunity by Mutantchicken I gave it a shot. All I have to say is one word - interesting.

There are a couple of "Cafe & Music" shops right across from Damsen park. Turns out they are really cafe and music shops. I went inside one of them, had a cafe sua da and hesitatingly asked the girl who had taken a seat next to me for a massage. She politely said no, but we have Karaoke. That's not what I was there for so I politely got the hell out of there.

Then I walked away from the gate towards another cafe shop which had its outside made of bamboo sticks with some greenery spread amongst. From the open entrance you can see there's another entrance inside beyond which everything is dark. This had to be the one and it certainly was.

As I walked in my eyes landed on one of the most gorgeous figures I have ever seen on planet Earth. She was wearing minimal dress and displaying the artwork that God engages in creating only once in a while. She had a 7 face and a 10+ figure. It was her turn apparently so she came over and asked me to take a seat on one of the chairs arranged in at least 5 rows. The room was 30% lit. I took the corner most chair because I was the only customer at that time. And because I didn't know better I asked for a cafe sua da. Later I were to find out that customers walk in, get into action straightaway, and walk out. She got the unusual request fulfilled, took a seat next to me, disinterestedly slapped at my dick and looked the other way.

The way it works is that they sit in your lap, you can fondle and caress and hug, and they jerk you off in your trousers. This is what I mean by "interesting". Titty caressing is allowed but all my attempts to get the tit in my mouth were pushed back. Opening the zip is not allowed either. Now I am not sure how they clean you up after the deed or whether they clean you up at all because I couldn't get off. She had a body made in heaven but her attitude was lacking. Considering how much traffic they have and how much they get paid for their effort it is understandable. Payment in Vietnam however hasn't had a decent correlation with service anyway but I digress.

After some effort which she thought was decent enough by her estimates she gave up. I engaged another chick for continued operation. She sat in the lap and barely tried. The outcome was negative. She had slightly better attitude and not as smoking hot body. She was 25 and the previous one was 21.

50K for each of the chicks, 20K each for two cafe sua das. I saw a total of 4 girls in there, 3 were under 25 & decent enough and one may have been 35. There were 25-30 chairs which allow for multiple customers to be serviced in that room. At one point of time there were three shaggings going on.[/QUOTE]Can you please specify which street you are referring too? Damsen park is a very big area... Thank you!

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Can you please specify which street you are referring too? Damsen park is a very big area... Thank you![/QUOTE]You gotta learn first how to post on a forum. Don't quote the entire prose when asking a one line question. Trim it.

[QUOTE=Nail The World]You gotta learn first how to post on a forum. Don't quote the entire prose when asking a one line question. Trim it.[/QUOTE]The whole post was about that one location/street! That's why I had to qoute the whole op. No where does he state what street he is referring too. Damsen park is very big with many streets.

Nail found these places just from my mention of damsen, he didnt need street names or anything, which is commendable. Guys, yes damsen is a big place, but start around the main street of the gate major gate entrance and just walk around, and explore, thats what i did. Dont expect everything to be spoonfed, a generalised location is sufficient.

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]The whole post was about that one location/street! That's why I had to qoute the whole op. [/QUOTE]

Um, not really. It is a bit better form to just quote the minimum of what's necessary, not an entire long post. That's what he meant. No big deal. This stuff is really small potatoes. Let's not get riled about it ok?

Also, if you just get in a taxi or on a xe om (or even drive a bike there) and go to Damsen Park, these places are hard to miss.

I'll be in the city (HCM) for a few weeks starting 8/22. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer pm me.

I have been reading the forums and trying to get the scoop. The prices seem to be all over the board. Some guys pay 600K VND and others 150-200

I have a few questions

1. For a semi-pro/pro SW clean 18-24 yo is 150-200 VND the right price for ST (1-1.5 hrs)?

2. How much is LT (24 hours)

3. Is taking girls back to your hotel a no no?

4. What does it cost/how much would you pay to have a live-in girlfriend for the week ?

5. What is the crime/safety situation ?

6. Are the shop girls fairly easy? How many dates does it take to get one to go to bed with you?

Thank you in advance!

I went for a bit of a ride last night.

Went down Hong Ha to see if there was any new "meat".

Around 1930h found a couple girls.

1st girl I stopped and talked to was sitting on a white moto. Like a 70cc honda cub with plastic farings type. She spoke reasonable english. She would have been pushing mid/late 35's.

Wanted 5000vnd? ! ? ! For 1hr and she pays hotel. I said 5000vnd. To make sure I pulled out a 5k note. She said no. Turned out she wanted 500k. I countered with 200k (which is the going rate this area) I pay hotel (50k) she said no. Went upto 300k to see if she would bite but nothing. Told her she's dreaming and goodluck getting a customer.

I rode further down and stopped to talk to another girl. She was around mid 20's, thin and nice body and a beautiful natural face. Much nicer than the previous girl.

I punched in 200k into my phone and pointed at my watch for 2hrs. She agreed until that previous motogirl come past and started yap yapping to her. The new girl then reluctantly squatted back down and motioned for 400k. I motioned to her 300k, 2hrs and 2 pops and photos. Then the other motogirl who was starting to really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off told me no, 1hr, 1 shot. The white motogirl started trying to lure me back by giving me offers but compared to the new girl even a blind man would have told her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.

By now I was fed up with this old *****'s constant interference and told them both goodnight.

There is this one regular girl I see. Skinny as a rake with a white face that looks like she's been hit with the ugly stick more than a few times or she's on something. She's on the corner where the big airplane sits. I've always slowed down to have a closer look but when I see her face its like WHOA, she must be a junkie or something and I take off. Perhaps someone will have to investigate and possibly "take one for the team"

After that I rode down to a new massage parlour I had spotted previously. Thanh Xuan Hotel Massage in Tan Binh. Got a great massage by a cute 22yr old "spinner" She got sore stomach due to her laughing at my "vietlish" Great attitude and service.

I'll have to go back and get her phone number.

As I left and rejoined traffic on Cong Ha I noticed a few more SW's on the side of the road. Tempted to stop but theres always next time.

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The quick answer to you questions are also questions ie do you speak vietnamese and do you know the city?

Vietnam if you have read the reports is all hidden away, so if you go into dist 1 with all there foreigner bars. You are gonna pay 1.2 mill plus overnight or if you are a bad bargainer or a bit desperate 1mill ST.

As to normal girls. Its not Thailand where you can pick them up just my smiling and flashing a few bucks. You would need a local contact or speak the language, and id doubt if you can find a willing short term gf if you are just a tourist.

Viet girls are more money focused and more cunning that thai girls. So from your questions I would just go to Thailand or Cambodia for the things you are looking for.

Yes I hae seen a few SW on the side of the road on this street and around that area, I drove quickly but there are definately a few young girls. Thats not bad bargain 200k for 2 hrs. I'll prob try to get that rate, in the pas I was paying 300 for between 1-2 hrs.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]Yes I hae seen a few SW on the side of the road on this street and around that area, I drove quickly but there are definately a few young girls. Thats not bad bargain 200k for 2 hrs. I'll prob try to get that rate, in the pas I was paying 300 for between 1-2 hrs.[/QUOTE]Some of the "young girls" are not young at all when you stop to see them hahaha.

Hi guys, just to inform you that I found a new great spot for street picking : 3 thang 2 (its the name of the street). It's 5 minutes away from D1, following Vo Thi Sau, parallel to Dien Bien Phu.

I drove by the street yesterday around 11pm, and saw plenty of young chicks. Some looking very good. Some very bad. Some on bikes. Some on foot. Young fellas on bike watching at the operations, and mamasans every 300 hundred meters.

It was really plenty of chicks. I insist. Average age 23-28.

I wanted to take one at home for 2 hours. First one refused, second one ok but mamasan refused, third one reluctant but mamasan refused... Then I met two of them, both of them wanted to come. Got her home for 300k, average service, but stayed to sleep at home. She looked fresh and not dirty *****. On the morning she woke me up with a BJ and a much better service. Tipped her 100k, got her phone and she said i just had to call then she'll be back.

The place is much better than NTMK. More choice, less people in the street, cheaper, and nice girls. My new hunting spot.

I asked already, but got no answer: if anyone knows a place where students look for customers (street if possible), let me know!

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]
Went down Hong Ha to see if there was any new "meat".

As I left and rejoined traffic on Cong Ha I noticed a few more SW's on the side of the road. [/QUOTE]

"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?

[QUOTE=Johndao]"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?[/QUOTE]

Hong Ha is the street at the of Truong Son (the street on the way to the airport),

"Cong Ha" is misspelled. It's Cong Hoa, which is also by the airport

[QUOTE=Hyatt]Hi guys, just to inform you that I found a new great spot for street picking : 3 thang 2 (its the name of the street). It's 5 minutes away from D1, following Vo Thi Sau, parallel to Dien Bien Phu.[/QUOTE]

Dunno any places where students go. Maybe the cafes? MTV on Vo Van Tan probably a good bet, or the Windows cafes. Not my scene, so can't really give much on this one. Real university students would never be working on the streets here, if anywhere. That's the lowest of low socially. People in university are striving to raise their social status, not lower it. Imagine going back to University and facing fellow students after being spotted.

3/2 street is a REALLY long street, running from D3 all the way out to D6, guessing it passes thru about 4 diff districts. Can you specify a cross street where you saw this? (if you just look at a map, might be able to figure it out) I have to say I've gone on that street often and never spotted anything like this. But things do change sometimes. You obviously saw something.

[QUOTE=Johndao]"Hong Ha" "Cong Ha" There are no streets by these names. What street are we actually talking about here?[/QUOTE]First up my apologies to all. The correct spelling is Cong Hoa.

Where the big Maximart is located, corner Nguyen Thai Binh and Cong Hoa.

[url]http://www.diadiem.com/[/url]

I use this to find streets in Saigon.

Hong Ha does exist. I suggest you use the above link to find the street. I find it much easier than google maps. You start typing in the street and you will see suggestions appear. The site uses the same images from googlemaps.

To get to Hong Ha, simply head to the Airport via Truong Son. At the very end you can either go straight to the airport or turn right. Parkson Department Store is on the RHS, Turn right down that street. You are now on Hong Ha. (Hong Ha is not a straight street/road. Its more of a loop.) You will pass a lineup of taxi's, hot tocs, cafes etc etc.

Continue to the end and you will hit a T junction. Turn right and head down about 30meters you will see 2,3 ladies standing in the dark on the left (the VN Airlines Flight School side), continue and turn 90deg left and you will see the skinny girl with a pale white face. This seems to be her "spot"

About 20meters up you will see a resturant opposite a swimming pool and tennis courts, these will be on your left side, There is a small road to villa's on your left (tennis court side) and will be some girls on bikes waiting here (the girl on white bike was here) Keep going and the road bends right a little, Take care of the roadworks and after that small kink/bend there will be more girls standing on both sides. Once you hit the wood works you are at the end of the street and Hoang Minh Giam traffic light intersection. If you turn Right and follow the corners you will end up halfway down Truong Son, perhaps 1km distance.

The majority of ladies here are between the tennis courts and before the woodwork area. This whole area is poorly lit, so those who don't like dark streets may avoid this one. I do feel safe but always remain alert.

Hope this clears it up for you.

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Wendella,

Sure. Go at the crossroad CMT8/ Vo Thi Sau - 3 thong 2 (its where VTS becomes 3 thang 2). Take 3 thang 2 (on the left) and drive. The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight. SW (does it mean street *****s?) are very easy to recognize. Most of them on foot. Usually mamasan on a bike or sitting on a chair not far away. Most of them are in group of 2 or 3 girls. No cop presence at all. (i mean, of course they're here, but undercover).

For 300k, I am absolutely sure you can get one home for 2 hours, perhaps more. But maybe they will be reluctant if you live far away.

I was there tonite and was very surprised to see the place much less crowded than yesterday... Like 80% less. Seriously, yesterday was amazing. It was like a street hookers annual conference. But still, saw some pretty girls. Stopped in front of a extremely gorgeous (and very young) cutie in pink, was ok for 300k, but no way to take her home - So i just gave up, as i'm really not a fan of hotels.

Hope this helps. I'd be curious to know your experience about the spot.

By your side, any good street stop you recommand?

Cheers

i share with you another spot for street picking, that i know well, as it's 20 meters away from my place.

it's on binh tanh, close to the manor (this huge expat's condos building).

from d1, take nguyen huu canh. drive 2 miles, you see the manor on your left. keep driving 500 meters. then you see a bridge. right before this bridge (100m before the traffic light), you can do a u-turn by taking a small tunnel under the bridge. so you take nguyen huu canh back in the way to d1. at the exit of the tunnel (which is no more than 10 meters long), on the right, you always see 3 or 4 guys on motorbike, watching at the place.here you are.

then you drive maybe 30 meters, and you see on your right a garage where they sell some speed bikes (cbr, etc...) and harley's. just after this there are every night 10-20 women waiting on the sidewalks. they sit down all together. average age: 30 yo. (and more). not all of them are prostitutes.

another way to go there: you take dien bien phu from d1 and drive till you can turn on nguyen huu canh, then you follow the indications i gave.

beware that it's a spot where only locals go. it's extremely cheap, and girls are ok to go with you to your place (as far as i know). seriously, you can't miss it. but if you go there, protect yourself! those are regular sw - i see the same of them every night.

i've seen those girls going only with locals and truck drivers. most of them are a bit old for me (i m a young fella), but if you're lucky, and if you like women in their mid 30', you can get a good looking one... i've seen a few.

i don't like that much that spot as i always feel a bit confused to stop in front of the whole group, all obviously staring at you. furthermore, i don't wanna do this in my neighbourhood.

place i dont recommand, but depends of your fantasies and your budget.

Now I realize where the rip off was in Karaoke. It was when they added tips for the girl in the bill. I did find it odd at that time but wasn't sure so didn't complain. The girls had no idea what was on the bill and they got only half.

If I were to do it again I would ask them to remove that item from the bill. I would insist, agitate or fight as appropriate. And in the worst case give the exact same tip in the hands of the girls. Usually girls are extremely happy with 200K tip from a foreigner. Vietnamese folks are expected to tip 100K.

This is about dist 5 Karaokes.

[QUOTE=Hyatt]The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight.
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That's a pretty long stretch of road. It was spread out all along that whole stretch? Not concentrated in one particular area of it?

Thanks

Hyatt,

I have been there already.

A pimp from dong khoi showed me the place.

My girl was very very young. She just turned 18 (checked her id) and the experience was so-so.

But to be honest:

I wouldt go there alone, this place doesn't seem safe to me.

So my recommendation: take at least on more guy with you. I mean, I passed by this place already a few times alone, but I always had a bad (unsafe) feeling.

But you said its cheap. How much did you pay?

Thanks

Now finished

Which spot are you talking about? 3 dhong 2 or Binh Tanh? I ve never felt unsafe anywhere in Saigon, so can't really tell. If you're riding, I don't know what can happen to you. Except an accident if you're looking too much at the chicks. 3 dhong 2, I don't know, I didn't see anything looking dangerous. Binh Tanh spot, no problem. Seriously, no worries. If by "unsafe" you mean cops. Well, I can't tell.

Wandella

I could tell you, but feel lazy to go Google maps now. But yea, actually they spread all along the long road (well, it's no more than 1 mile, if you're riding, no more than 3 minutes). And you'll see them all along. I think it's a well-known spot. Passed over tonite again. Fresh meat everywhere. Seriously speaking, I think my indications were very clear. Drop your computer, take your bike, go have a look. And post a report!

Hey guys! I usually monger in the Philippines or Thailand and know little about HCMC. I know mentioning hotels on this particular board is not a good idea. But I'm very interested in taking a side trip to Vietnam (HCMC) in January while I'm in the Philippines. I need some senior member input (preferably by PM) to help me with a clean, suitable, safe hotel choice in a decent play area. Any help would be appreciated.

Still Skinning Them Up!

Yella Man

[QUOTE=Yella Man]Hey guys! I usually monger in the Philippines or Thailand and know little about HCMC. I know mentioning hotels on this particular board is not a good idea. But I'm very interested in taking a side trip to Vietnam (HCMC) in January while I'm in the Philippines. I need some senior member input (preferably by PM) to help me with a clean, suitable, safe hotel choice in a decent play area. Any help would be appreciated.

Still Skinning Them Up!

Yella Man[/QUOTE]

Get into HCMC in one of the hotels in the Dong Khoi and Mac Thi Boui area. Then take a walk on Mac Thi Boui and Thi Sach where there are at least 10 GF hotels. Or check one of the hotel website for hotels with rates less then US$40 in this area.

I've been a long time lurker on this forum and thought I'd finally add my bit.

Have one regular hot toc on a hem/small street just off HBT in D1, near the junction with TMK. I speak passable viet and never had a bad time at this place. Usual set up. Choose a girl off the sofa, head upstairs to one of their ok looking rooms (massage beds separated by curtains as usual). Girls are highly skilled, enthusiastic and definitely hard working. I pay 200, 000VND (including fee for house) for BBJ. I could pay less but the extra ensures excellent service.

Usually I go for 2 girls there at the same time, sometimes they both work the little man at the same time but usually one works on it and the other works the nipples. Both get naked and you can do what you want to them. Usually choose a young one and an older one for the tag team. Some very cute girls there with awesome bodies.

Have tried one on DBP in BT district and on THD in D5 but found them smaller, dirtier, unfriendlier and with only older women working.

Standard hot tocs. The city is crawling with standard hot toc places where people genuinely get their hair cut. Usually these places have cute girls working there. I've often been offered a HJ and even BJ for less than 100, 000VND in the curtained off massage area of the shop. Worth a go for something cheap and unexpected. Try Ho Ba (N? )hien street in D10 for a few examples.

Yet to get anywhere at the Hot toc/goi dau places with the good looking girls (around Truong Dinh, Bui Thi Xuan etc) but taking the girls out after work is easy enough and its up to you from there.

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[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Get into HCMC in one of the hotels in the Dong Khoi and Mac Thi Boui area. Then take a walk on Mac Thi Boui and Thi Sach where there are at least 10 GF hotels. Or check one of the hotel website for hotels with rates less then US$40 in this area.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Sudsoz! I think I'm going to be ok. I get the sense that I just have to do a little foot pounding ground work when I get there. Nothing to it!

Still Skinning Then Up!

Yella Man

[QUOTE=Hyatt]

Sure. Go at the crossroad CMT8/ Vo Thi Sau - 3 thong 2 (its where VTS becomes 3 thang 2). Take 3 thang 2 (on the left) and drive. The area is between than point and the crossroad 3 thang 2/Ly Thuong Kiet. Approximately two miles. Good time to go there is midnight. SW (does it mean street *****s?) are very easy to recognize. Most of them on foot. Usually mamasan on a bike or sitting on a chair not far away. Most of them are in group of 2 or 3 girls. No cop presence at all. (i mean, of course they're here, but undercover). [/QUOTE]

That still is a pretty long stretch of road -- normally they congregate around a fairly small area, going in circles to make it easier for a customer to show up at the right spot to find them. The spots I know of are the same ones mentioned often earlier in this thread, mainly the 2 spots over near the bridge (one of them is down the last side street in D1 to the left before the bridge, you'll see them all just before you hit the big circle at DBP). But these days I woudln't recommend these (again, see below so we don't need to repeat the resulting argument that's almost sure to crop up again if I mention why).

Hello HOCHI,

Please provide the name of the street around HBT.

I have check the area but no hottoc place near NTMK as you mentioned.

Any guidance would be greate

Ho please share your info on the hot toc. Side street, address maybe, I'll be in HCMC in Oct and would appreciate the info.

[QUOTE=Qf787]Hello HOCHI,

Please provide the name of the street around HBT.

I have check the area but no hottoc place near NTMK as you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Sorry, my mistake. should be TQK - Tran Quan Khai. As you head up HBT away from D1 take a right onto TQK and immediately take a left down a small street - the place is about 75m down on your left. (sorry but my map doesn't have the name).

Hope that helps

Just a few for you now. more to follow.

Son Tra, Vo Thi Sau - as others have reported here before , BJ is available. The place is a bit run down and shabby and the girls are nothing to write home about. However it used to be possible to get a massage and BJ for 200-250,000 tip. But i bumped into another foreigner in there who was paying 500,000 for the same. ruined it for me - spent far too much time doing hard negotiating. worth a try to see what you can get. they do have the odd good looking girl there.

Festival, Cao Thang - good looking, friendly and hard working girls, decent massage, HJ for 150,000 - 200,000 tip. Girls willing to let you have a good feel while they work. Never had a bad experience there.

Vien Dong Hotel, Pham Ngu Lao - very nice massage place. good looking girls, decent massage with HJ for same as above. Find this a bit more hit and miss though - really depends on the girl you get.

Monica, Ky Dong D3 - same as above.

[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Ho please share your info on the hot toc. Side street, address maybe, I'll be in HCMC in Oct and would appreciate the info.[/QUOTE] I also do not know this spot on HBT, in an alley, near NTMK. Never saw anything like that there. However, if you continue down HBT a ways till you can smell the Banh Xeo you will find exactly what was described. In fact, the same 'gang' (for lack of a better word) runs three very similar shops in a small area and the girls often rotate among the three. One is as as described, the other is on NPK and the third 'branch' is on NVN. Price is 80k plus 100k tip. Sometimes they don't want to give the 20k change from a 100k note so let's call it 200k. Girls are all straight and very hard-working. If not, they are GONE.

These places are Saigon standard BJ shops which means NO discussion of tip or payment before or after service. They service you, you tip them, they say thanks and bye. ANY place where the girls ask for 'how much' and try to negotiate some high rate before service is strictly a tourist/foreigner/visitor rip-off joint.
JD

I just down to LVB to check out the scene. I was looking for a hop toc place with BJ, but I didn't find one. Ended up at a hop toc place on dung 37 & LVB which didn't offer BJ. But the girl I got was very cute! I'm thinking about going back to visit and asking her out. Anyways back to my story, I finally settled for a cafe om called "thanh thuy". This was my first experience at this type of establishment, so I didn't know what to expect. It was ok. Nothing too special, 100K for drinks & HJ. BJ cost an extra 100K, so all together damage was 200K. I got some picks, hope you enjoy! P. S. The pics are geotagged so you can find the place more easy.

[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minge]Sorry, my mistake. should be TQK - Tran Quan Khai. As you head up HBT away from D1 take a right onto TQK and immediately take a left down a small street - the place is about 75m down on your left. (sorry but my map doesn't have the name).

Hope that helps[/QUOTE]

That could be Nguyen Van Nguyen - or then it might not. See map attached.

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]I just down to LVB to check out the scene. I was looking for a hop toc place with BJ, but I didn't find one. Ended up at a hop toc place on dung 37 & LVB which didn't offer BJ. But the girl I got was very cute! I'm thinking about going back to visit and asking her out. Anyways back to my story, I finally settled for a cafe om called "thanh thuy". This was my first experience at this type of establishment, so I didn't know what to expect. It was ok. Nothing too special, 100K for drinks & HJ. BJ cost an extra 100K, so all together damage was 200K. I got some picks, hope you enjoy! P. S. The pics are geotagged so you can find the place more easy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report and pictures. But what do you mean by "geotagged"? I wasn't able to get the coordinates.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]That could be Nguyen Van Nguyen - or then it might not. See map attached.[/QUOTE]You're right. Its Nguyen Van Nguyen.

A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?

I think the Jap bars are on one of the side streets at the start of the one-way Ly Tu Trong. My friend ,who is a big spender at bars, thought he was robbed when he sat in one of those bars for half an hour drinking a couple of Heinekens.

It is something that most of us would never understand. You find these bars everywhere in Asia. My theory is that Jap and Korean men are not good at socializing with other nationals hence they demand for such establishments.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?[/QUOTE]My niece works at one of these hostess bars. She wears the traditional VN dress Ao Dai. She just talks to the japanese customers in japanese, keeps his glass full, basically there to comfort him but not for sex. After the customer has had enough he tips her and pays his overpriced bill and walks/staggers out. The girls she works with are forbidden to go with customers outside of workig hrs.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?[/QUOTE]The street name is Ngo Van Nam, it branches off Le Thanh Ton and joins into Ton Duc Thang along Saigon river embankment. Plenty of Japanese oriented joints, big cost for Japanese type service. IMHO : to be avoided. My two cents.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?[/QUOTE]

You can also find these bars on Le Thanh Ton, Which is parallel to Ly Tu Trong. Starts at Ton Duc Thang and head down toward Ben Thanh Market. Most of them will be located on your left hand side.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]A few weeks back I was in HCMC and we were walking around the city area, no idea were we walked really, but one of the streets were full of bars catering for japanese it seems, the girls all dressed up in uniforms or fancy dresses, really good quality ... anyone have any information about what these bars / clubs places are about, and offerings / prices?[/QUOTE]

The street you must be thinking of is Ngo Van Nam. It's got lots more of those bars than Le Thanh Ton or Ly Tu Truong or any other street around there.

Find it here: [url]http://www.diadiem.com/[/url]

or use this:
http://www.diadiem.com/VNMap.aspx?l=1&st=SaiGon&n=0;50;50;439040;1238528;439040;1238528;7;4;0;439798.5;1238850;879850;2477700;-1;-1&a=%3BNGO%20VAN%20NAM%3B1%3BB%u1EBEN%20NGH%C9%3B18%3B14%3BA_%3BNGO%20VAN%20NAM%3B1%3BB%u1EBEN%20NGH%C9%3B18%3B14%3BA&tab=0$$$&subTab=0&searchType=-1&b=&result=false&paging=-1&isDirection=true&txt1=&txt2=&ddl1=&ddl2=&cateView=&cateID=&unitID=&X=&Y=&tabCur=-1&boxID=

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]My niece works at one of these hostess bars. She wears the traditional VN dress Ao Dai. She just talks to the japanese customers in japanese, keeps his glass full, basically there to comfort him but not for sex. After the customer has had enough he tips her and pays his overpriced bill and walks/staggers out. The girls she works with are forbidden to go with customers outside of workig hrs.[/QUOTE]

The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.[/QUOTE]One time a few weeks back my niece's mother called up, she hadn't come home from work, turns out a whole bunch of girls from her bar went with a customer to eat after work. She arrived home few hours later.

So there is that possibility. Most of these girls or all that work in these jap/korean bars are looking for husbands. My niece's mother (my sister in law) wants a rich husband who will buy her (the mother) a house, pay for a maid/cook, give her a allowance, buy a new motobike. As for the daughter the husband must buy her a house, car with driver, motobike, cook, maid etc etc. When she told me I just laughed in her face and said no man will do that, not for this chubby lazy virgin bride and a greedy mother in law.

[QUOTE=Sudsoz]The girls are certainly not allowed to go home with customers. But if you are nice to people good things can happen - I have met a few of these gals for lunch and afters.[/QUOTE]

. . . Pie? ;)

Thanks for your replies in regards of the "Japanese St", do these girls offer any services on the premises, or just companionship?

I am bringing a friend of mine from Europe to HCMC next week, I've got some feel for the place after my visit in July, however. We are looking for some takeaway for 3 days, would this be possible from the western girlie bars in HBT(? ). If so, what would one except to pay for that? I know they charge 50 bucks for a quikie upstairs, so would 150 bucks for 3 days be a good deal for these girls, as I assume they only get a customer every blue moon if staying in the bar.

Or any other tips for girls for a few days, and it has to be quality and not from a dirty run down place catering for locals, as I'd rather not bring too many diseases back home.

I've four days left free in the city if anyone wants to meet up, PM me.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]Thanks for your replies in regards of the "Japanese St", do these girls offer any services on the premises, or just companionship?

I am bringing a friend of mine from Europe to HCMC next week, I've got some feel for the place after my visit in July, however. We are looking for some takeaway for 3 days, would this be possible from the western girlie bars in HBT(? ). If so, what would one except to pay for that? I know they charge 50 bucks for a quikie upstairs, so would 150 bucks for 3 days be a good deal for these girls, as I assume they only get a customer every blue moon if staying in the bar.

Or any other tips for girls for a few days, and it has to be quality and not from a dirty run down place catering for locals, as I'd rather not bring too many diseases back home.[/QUOTE]

Nothing on premises -- and takes work and time to get them to do anything off the premises. For a short visit, this is probably a dead end.

As for the HBT type bars, I don't think you'll get many takers for $150 for 3 days. For one you would have to pay their barfine (around 300,000VND) for each day, and long time to the girl is typically at least 1.5 million VND. You can do the math and bargain from there, but you can see she's going to have to pay the bar 900,000 VND for those 3 days out (don't think that part is negotiable), and it's only the money after that you'll be able to bargain with her over. Let us know what kind of deal you're able to make-- might be useful info for some.

As you come down Nguyen Kiem street in Go Vap (or is it still Nguyen Oanh there?) -- anyway it is a one way street along the stretch I'm thinking about, heading IN toward the city centre -- there are a bunch of cafes with cute girls close together, around 3 or 4, all on the left side of the street.

Are these just normal cafes? Has anyone checked those out?

[QUOTE=Wendella]As you come down Nguyen Kiem street in Go Vap (or is it still Nguyen Oanh there?) -- anyway it is a one way street along the stretch I'm thinking about, heading IN toward the city centre -- there are a bunch of cafes with cute girls close together, around 3 or 4, all on the left side of the street.

Are these just normal cafes? Has anyone checked those out?[/QUOTE]These cafe's are just around the corner from where I live. I've seen these cafes and much more recently.

Last night I was returning home from a bit of a cruise around, I saw a mamasan and 4 lovely young girls, must have been under 23yrs old at the corner of a certain intersection in GV. This was around 11pm. The Hong Ha strip was dead, Though Hoang Van Thu had some pickings even this late. Some young under 25yr olds hanging around.I've found a lot more locations in the past few nights, Makes for interesting nightly rides.

1,5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT?

[QUOTE=Wendella]Nothing on premises -- and takes work and time to get them to do anything off the premises. For a short visit, this is probably a dead end.

As for the HBT type bars, I don't think you'll get many takers for $150 for 3 days. For one you would have to pay their barfine (around 300,000VND) for each day, and long time to the girl is typically at least 1.5 million VND. You can do the math and bargain from there, but you can see she's going to have to pay the bar 900,000 VND for those 3 days out (don't think that part is negotiable), and it's only the money after that you'll be able to bargain with her over. Let us know what kind of deal you're able to make-- might be useful info for some.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]1,5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT?[/QUOTE]Book a ticket to Thailand or Phil's. cheaper girls and better attitudes than the ones on HBT.

[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]1, 5 million for LT? That is Singapore prices for a Vietnam girl, that is just insane, anyone else with some comments about the prices for one of the HBS girls for LT? [/QUOTE]1.5mill for LT is resonable for the HBT bar area. Maybe you've done your calculations incorrectly but this figure is only about USD$90. Which is far cheaper than Singapore. If you go to the HBT bars and can persuade a pretty thing to go with you for that price, LT, then you've done well (all things being considered).

Outside of these bars you'll be looking at 1 mill ST for most FL or club pick ups. Things aren't that cheap in HCMC.

[QUOTE=Wendella]The street you must be thinking of is Ngo Van Nam. It's got lots more of those bars than Le Thanh Ton or Ly Tu Truong or any other street around there.[/QUOTE]A little late but there's some info I can share. This info is about a month old.

I've been to the first one on the left hand side as you enter from Le Than Ton. To make is absolutely certain they even have a sign plate saying "Japanese". That was the reason I walked into it to see what the fuck is it that they are talking about. The whole street is packed with bar after bar after bar. Lots of lights. Cuties everywhere. It's almost like a little Vegas.

There was a $20 table charge, which is basically what you pay if you decide to stay. $7 beer. Tips for the girl is up to you but naturally they expect something along the lines of other charges.

As I sat myself the mamasan opened up the menu for me to choose from. Bottles of alcoholic beverages ranging from $85 to probably $300. What the fuck lady? Don't you have at least some fucking shame? I could supposedly use the same bottle on following visits. I asked them if could just order a simple fucking beer, then she said yes. Episode one over.

Line up of girls followed. I found the girls to be average but the one I picked was absolutely stunning. She wasn't slim, wasn't big, was tall, extremely pretty, carried herself superbly well, gorgeous body, dressed in white Ao Dai, an angel. Showed the ***** of herself when she sent me a text message at the stroke of midnight if I could buy her a phone the next day when I had planned to meet with her. That was the end.

I asked her what the fuck was Japanese about this place? She laughed embarrassingly and said we have Japanese Karaoke. All girls were Vietnamese, some spoke few sentences of Japanese.

I wanted to put something together that will summarize my experiences and other experiences on the board here so that it would be easy to find.

Non Commitment - Quick and Dirty

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SWs - There are many SWs all around the city and some are riding around motorbikes. The great thing is that they are cheaper and you can get someone for about 200K or less plus hotel costs. These girls are easier to set up an arrangement for future sessions and I'm sure if you wanted to make them your GF, that would be easy as well if they see you are willing to dish out money every now and then. The problem is that these girls have much lower standards of themselves, which means they may not take care of themselves as much and like many in VN, if they don't have enough money, they won't go to the doctor. So always be safe with these girls. Also, beware of the lady boys, some of them can look really good with all the work that has been done but it has been reported that they are ruthless and will try to rob you or provide you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor service.

HOT Toc/Blow and GO - There are many Hot Toc places that provide no extra services but if you do your research on this board you will find places that will do an HJ/BJ for 150K-300K, more if you are in D1. Many girls at these places don't speak English so it may be hard to get them to meet you outside. But it is possible as they feel they are a higher class because a BJ/HJ is almost just like a handshake, and them not allowing access to the wet goods would be considered being like a SW. They are looking for a relationship and many of them work 6 days at a time before getting one day off. I've heard some people on this board meet them before work or one their day off. These girls are usually looking for someone to take care of them. If they work in that establishment, they definitely don't have the skills to make more money or that a regular job does not pay them that much.

Bars and Clubs- If going to bars on HBT many are scared to go out with customers outside, fearing that the owner may find out. So if you do this, try to make it as discreet as possible because if they find out their girls are moonlighting, they will want a piece of the action. The girls at the clubs are typically of higher standards. They work at the clubs or hang out at the clubs to find customers and many times they do want to find someone to take care of them even if it is for a short time. It's much better than sitting around all day waiting for business. For the most part, the bar girls will want 1mil + and sure there is the occasional time you can negotiate down, but the experience is hit or miss.

Commitment Bound/Longer Term

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Here are some general guidelines when looking for a commitment or longer term relationship

- Do be upfront about your situation. If you have a significant other, tell them. Many girls are okay if you are seeing someone, and the expectation is set they you are looking for someone to spend time with and have fun and they will be game just as long as you give them money now and then for their time. This eases the tension of having to hide your secret. BUT BEWARE, maybe I have watched too many movies or TV, but I am always scared of someone blackmailing me saying they will tell the significant other unless you give them more money. I have read some stories on the internet about girls going psycho when you tell them you no longer want to see them and they became dependent on your income. Make sure to keep your information protected. Addresses, phone numbers, etc. Once they find out how to expose you, they may do this. Of course, not many have reported this on this site, but I think it is prudent that you protect yourself from future issues.

- If you are looking for just a casual relationship, make sure this is made clear and is understood. It does no good to drag someone along because many here in VN are looking to get married. When they get attached, there is a lot of drama that needs to be deal with when you don't want to see them anymore.

-If you are looking to date, not necessarily looking to get married, be careful with how the relationship is managed. Many girls will find it necessary to have you meet their family and in some cases help her and family out with finances. Also, many get married after a short time dating. So once you know you it's not going to work, no matter how good the sex is, you need to get out. I've been there and I know how tempting it can be to stick it out longer, but there are so many more girls out there. I think I read 75%+ of the population are in their late 20's to early 30s. It is a very young city.

-If you are wanting to have a girl to bed, make sure you have your own place. Many people in VN live with other family members and in small homes. You will not have the privacy to be alone unless you go to a hotel or at your apartment.

-Be prepared that the girl will ask for money, give reasons why they need it, and it may be for other things, like giving money to the family. The VN culture is very family oriented. Everyone helps each other out without question. It doesn't matter if the brother is lazy, the sister will still give him money. It is expected. The hard thing is that if they worked a regular job and make $150-300 per month, they think it is not contributing that much especially if they know you make 4K or more. To them it is more than enough to live on. Many are used to living paycheck to paycheck or always having to borrow money, therefore I noticed many don't have the concept of saving. In fact many business owners make good money but then end up investing it elsewhere. The ones that live well are the ones that have good businesses, jobs, or married wealthy. But from what I can see it is all show, buying nicer clothes, wanting to buy a house, maybe a nice car. Being in poverty so long, when wealth comes, they want to show it off, plus they end up giving more money to the family members that are not doing well. So if you hook up with a girl, they may look at you as marrying wealthy and may want all the goods that can come with it. Of course this is not always the case, but I do feel the helping other family members out with money is expected.

-If you are looking for casual sex, keep it that way, casual. You may want to consider always just meeting up at a hotel because if you are seeing more than one girl, you never want to have them both give you surprise visits. Also, for me I don't like them knowing where I live. If it ever comes to some sort of conflict, like their boyfriends finding out, they do not know where to find you.

-Most of all, be respective of the girls here. They do have a sense of pride and they are not dumb people. If they end up falling for you after telling them it's not what you want, what can you do. But at least they know they were not deceived. Of course there will still be guys out there that will deceive because they feel they have to or because it doesn't matter as they are looking for a short term thing, but I am mostly talking about situations where you are trying to have a longer term relationship.

The last thing I'd like to note here is that I love the women here with the taught bodies. I met a girl who had four kids and her body is still slammin'.

Okay, I think I had more things to say but I'm worn out. Anyone else? Please comment on this thread, I'd like to get more insights.

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Thanks Dawg. You're right about eveything, and I appreciate your sense of observation and this mix of cultural insights and sex business infos.

One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area - drugs and shit) and good price.

I've spotted NTMK, of course, 3 dang 2, and another place in D3, a big square with a big column and good nightlife around (sorry, can't remember the name).

Tx mate

[QUOTE=Hyatt]
One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area - drugs and shit) and good price.
[/QUOTE]
Don't you think this is an oxymoron? SW are cheap, so it would comes with all the bad quality that you are NOT looking for. You get what you pay for.

One question though: what are, according to you, the best spots to get SW? I'm talking about good quality (pretty chicks, and not dirty area. Drugs and shit) and good price.

'Good Quality' usually work the clubs and bars where they can get paid more. The average price for SW these days is between $15. $25, so no girl in the good quality range is going to be working for that price.

Sorry Mate.

[QUOTE=Whisper1]Don't you think this is an oxymoron? SW are cheap, so it would comes with all the bad quality that you are NOT looking for. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree on the saying " you get what you pay for". Its true at the lower end of the scale, but I have had great looking girls at 250 per hr better than the $500+ freelancers in look and service, similarly I have had great girls that were 300k compared to the 1mill + girls I see being talked about in the HBT bars.

The is no single place that has lookers, you need to hunt them down from the places listed by prior posts.

It is the greatest lie, that sellers ve created saying that you get what you pay for, equating quality and pleasure with price.

You don't get a better car, meal or anything just because you pay more, its not a linear corelation thats for sure.

I have only ever picked up one SW in SG. I'm picky and a little cautious. But I often drive through the SW areas just for window shopping and with the hope that something wonderful might happen.

Yesterday around 11 am I was riding on NCT. During the day the girls all wear a mask and sunglasses so it is impossible to see what they look like. But then a girl rode up next to me. She has orange hair caramel skin and big pretty eyes. I'm hooked and we pull over briefly. She pulls the mask down and says something in Viet. She's pretty. I reply, "bow new" (how much) and she answers me in English. 200, 000. Wow. Good price.

She takes off and I follow. She takes me to D8. This raises a red flag as there are plenty of hotels around D5. We pull into a tiny ally. Families and various sorts are sitting around. She pulls into an unmarked building. No sign or address. I follow.

Inside a guy takes us up to a room. Looks like a hotel room. TV, stereo, bed. The girl asks for 300, 000 for her and the room. I look at the guy and say, "bow new". He says 50, 000. I give him a hundred and he gives me the change. He turns on the stereo so it is pretty loud and leaves.

I turn the stereo off. Don't care for loud music. The girl asks if I have a condom. I take it out of my pocket and throw it on the bed. She takes my shirt and pants off. I take the advice of this forum and roll my pants up and put them under the pillow. I ask her to undress, but she wants me to lie down for a massage. I get her shirt off. I'm surprised my a large rack. Oh, and she is tall too.

I ask her to take her pants off, but she keeps insisting on me lying down for a massage. She has a strange squeaky high voice. She takes my pants and puts them on a small table at the foot of the bed. I take them back and put them under the pillow. She turns the lights out and tells me to lie down. I turn the lights on and tell her to take her clothes off. She takes my pants and puts them on the little table at the foot of the bed again.

This seems like a clear set-up for a sneak and grab robbery while I'm pinned under what I am beginning to suspect is a former-man. Lights off, loud music, pants in a corner at the foot of the bed, "girl" dressed and me not. So I pick my pants up from the little table for the last time and put them on. I'm out the door and she is right there with me. I worry a little about trouble, but there is none. No complaints or demands for money. I race off back to D5. I'm only out the 50, 000 for the hotel.

Thanks to the guys on this forum. I think your advice and reports saved me from losing my wallet.

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Drove over to Dam Sen today. Saw a few Cafe Oms across the street as reported, but they looked kind of creepy to me. Maybe I am feeling more cautious after my last SW experience. So I drove on and crossed into Tan Phu District. A little past a traffic circle I saw cafe oms on either side of the street. Just one on each side. For some reason they seemed a little friendlier so I stopped at the one on the left.

There was one half decent looking girl. I was motioned to sit down in the back. I ordered a hot coffee. It was delivered by one of the fat not decent looking girls. So I gestured towards the one I liked. My fat girl gave me the "no" hand gesture. So I simply gently elbowed the fat girl away from me. So the pretty one comes over. Well, not really pretty, but ok. She has a cute haircut and big dark dumb looking eyes, and I like that.

So she is discreet. Unzips my pants and pulls it out. Undoes her bra so I can get a hand in there. Unzips her pants so I can get a hand in there. Gives me an HJ, but not good enough to accomplish anything. Fairly quickly she gives me the "My hand is so tired" gesture. So I say ok.

She sat with me for a while and encouraged my fondling while being somewhat discreet. Then I handed her a hundred. She took it. Then I put my hand out to show her that I wanted change. She called a fat woman over. They gave me 20, 000. That seemed ok with me. The fat one wanted it back as a tip, but no.

Not anything wonderful, but I was pleased to try this place the one time.

[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]I totally disagree on the saying " you get what you pay for". [/QUOTE]

Hm. I'd say it is true that you get what you pay for, but what you pay for isn't the quality of every individual girl going for that price, but rather the convenience of having more lookers together all together in one spot, or more better-service type girls. While it's possible to find something satisfying at the lowest prices, it's also true that you can go hunting in those spots for weeks without finding that satisfaction, whereas your odds of finding it in, say, Bar 91 much higher. Trust me, if you took a group portrait of what's on offer at Bar 91 and put it next to a group portrait of what's on offer at NCT, the difference will be obvious. Your chances of being whisked off to D8 and having your pants put on a little table near the door repeatedly are also much smaller.

But just to focus on service -- on NTMK or one of those spots, you can mostly expect the Wham Bam Thank You Man type of service -- as fast as possible, and with as little feeling as they can get away with. In a bar on HBT, it's pretty standard for the girl to offer to take a shower with you, give a nice long affectionate BJ, to french kiss, etc etc. Always? No. In general? Yes.

Was cleaning out the PM inbox and came across this one from a few years back, from a member who's long since disappeared from here....

There are some in Go Vap along phan van tri and nguyen oanh also cay tram. (but the police have already closed a lot of them down) The best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport)

The hot spots I like are actually further out, one is on highway 1A (quoc lo mot) You may need a map to find it... Basically along highway 1A from Ba Hom street all the way to Hoc Mon you will find many cafe om's and you'll find some places where the girls will go out with you or give you a bj. (speaking of ba hom street - it also has a lot of places)

For the naked bj I know a couple small cafes on highway 13 in Vinh Loc (off of highway 1) - look for a small cafe on the right side maybe it's about 3 or 4 km away from highway 1... And one on the left side with no sign in front a bit further up the street... I've also found places on highway 13 and ajacent areas for boom boom...

Another spot is in Binh Duong - take the binh phuoc intersection ("nga tu binh phuoc") About 5 km up the street from quoc lo mot there are quite a few places on the left side. Also at the 5 km mark you will find an intersection. If you turn right and follow it you will find alot of places. This street goes through "huyen thuan an" and on through to "huyen di an" - Also try the street from "nga tu linh xuan" it goes from quoc lo mot through "huyen di an" and on through to bien hoa.

[this PM is from Sept 2005, btw, so can't vouch for accuracy at this point -- I leave the vouching to you boys ;-) ]

[QUOTE=Wendella]Was cleaning out the PM inbox and came across this one from a few years back, from a member who's long since disappeared from here....

There are some in Go Vap along phan van tri and nguyen oanh also cay tram. (but the police have already closed a lot of them down) The best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport)

The hot spots I like are actually further out, one is on highway 1A (quoc lo mot) You may need a map to find it... Basically along highway 1A from Ba Hom street all the way to Hoc Mon you will find many cafe om's and you'll find some places where the girls will go out with you or give you a bj. (speaking of ba hom street - it also has a lot of places)

For the naked bj I know a couple small cafes on highway 13 in Vinh Loc (off of highway 1) - look for a small cafe on the right side maybe it's about 3 or 4 km away from highway 1... And one on the left side with no sign in front a bit further up the street... I've also found places on highway 13 and ajacent areas for boom boom...

Another spot is in Binh Duong - take the binh phuoc intersection ("nga tu binh phuoc") About 5 km up the street from quoc lo mot there are quite a few places on the left side. Also at the 5 km mark you will find an intersection. If you turn right and follow it you will find alot of places. This street goes through "huyen thuan an" and on through to "huyen di an" - Also try the street from "nga tu linh xuan" it goes from quoc lo mot through "huyen di an" and on through to bien hoa.

[this PM is from Sept 2005, btw, so can't vouch for accuracy at this point -- I leave the vouching to you boys ;-) ][/QUOTE]This is interesting even-though probably outdated. As I am living in that vicinity, I would be interested to go out exploring and updating these resources. Any one interested to join, PM me!

[QUOTE=Rob Doobing]This is interesting even-though probably outdated. As I am living in that vicinity, I would be interested to go out exploring and updating these resources. Any one interested to join, PM me![/QUOTE]I live in Go Vap. IF you want to meet up and go for a ride around I'm up for it.

Phan Van Tri and Nguyen Oanh is good for me, Near the Petrol station.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]Hong Ha does exist. I suggest you use the above link to find the street. I find it much easier than google maps. You start typing in the street and you will see suggestions appear. The site uses the same images from googlemaps.

To get to Hong Ha, simply head to the Airport via Truong Son. At the very end you can either go straight to the airport or turn right. Parkson Department Store is on the RHS, Turn right down that street. You are now on Hong Ha. (Hong Ha is not a straight street/road. Its more of a loop.) You will pass a lineup of taxi's, hot tocs, cafes etc etc.[/QUOTE]You missed a great spot on this street. Look for the Beauty Saloon in between Le Minh Barber & Airview Cafe. BBBJ is on, with a massage. 200K max.

Also, instead of turn right at the T junction, turn left and follow Bach Dang st. Every single Hot Toc place along the street (about 6-8) offer BJ, entry 60K-80K, tips max 100K.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Kodanana]You missed a great spot on this street. Look for the Beauty Saloon in between Le Minh Barber & Airview Cafe. BBBJ is on, with a massage. 200K max.

Also, instead of turn right at the T junction, turn left and follow Bach Dang st. Every single Hot Toc place along the street (about 6-8) offer BJ, entry 60K-80K, tips max 100K.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I've seen these Hot Toc's but have no interest in them.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]I live in Go Vap. IF you want to meet up and go for a ride around I'm up for it.[/quote]Cannot PM you! Do the necessary to become PM' able!

The BJ/HJ hot toc will have doors that offer those inside some privacy. There may be a guy or two sitting outside to take care of the motorbikes. Pull up and park in front of the doors and don't worry about the guys there. They don't give you a ticket. After you park go straight inside.

There will be some sleepy looking girls in sexy uniforms slumbering on the couches and barber chairs. One of them probably popped up to open the door for you. Look around for a girl you like. If you don't see anyone then you can look in the back room. Motion for the one you like. Wait until she is coming towards you, then go up the stairs. You go first and she follows.

Let her choose the massage table. Take off your shoes and shirt and lie down. Don't take off your pants! She will leave to get wet towels. When she comes back she may give you a quick leg massage. Then she will take your pants down.

She will clean your nipples, hands, and dick with the wet towels. They may be quite cold. Then the fun begins. She will start the BJ. She may pull her panties down and shirt up. Or she may wait until you express an interest in this. You can finger her.

Other possibilities. Maybe she will get on top of you, maybe she will let you eat her, maybe she will simulate sex with you, maybe she will cuddle with you after.

After you are done, she will clean you up. So don't jump up right away. After you are wiped down, get up and get dressed. You can give her her tip then (100, 000) or she may prefer that you give the total 200, 000 to the boss downstairs. Then you leave.

Possible problems: other customers are too noisy, girl is on her period (no fingering), girl gives you the clap.

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[quote=wendella] the best place in go vap is on phan van bach (it parallels the airport) [/quote]i went for a long ride around on 10th and 11th and this place is dead. i went there around 730pm and nothing but a flooded bumpy road (i had fun pretending my bike was a dirt bike) and tonight around 11pm it was a lot less flooded but still a very bumpy road. theres a few cafe om's lit up with blue, red, green neon lights inside on the side opposite the airstrip, theres a couple army guys posted at various entrances on the airport side. once you get to the end of the road it becomes a nice smooth road and a army guy on guard duty at the very end.

had a look at a few other places, hong ha still had a few as did in front of big c on hoang van thu. theres a young looking girl with glasses that i've notice that hasn't been there before. couple lookers but i already had my massage so wasn't too interested. ntmk had a handfull of workers waiting customers.

phan van tri has a few solo girls rep001tered its length from nguyen thai son upto the end thong nhat. there are a few ht shops on the left side as you ride up away from hcmc. these were still open close to midnight when i went past them, just now.

Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC! I started my day off at 7:00pm, because you know what they say "the early bird gets the worm" or at least they get my worm. Anyways I went to smileys first and that's were the BS started! I'm viet kieu, so when I asked if I could come in for a beer in viet. The guy at the door said the place was reserved for a bday party and wouldn't let me in! Which is totally the worst BS excuse I ever heard one before in my life! So I figured F*&$ them I'll just head over to HBT. I decided to go to 91 because of the quality of chicks. This time I speak in english to the door guy and he lets me in with no problem. After sitting down for 30mins and two beers, I finally saw the one I wanted so asked her to sit down.

15min goes by and I pop the question, she then responds that she can't because she is working. I tell her I have no problem paying the bar fine, but she still says she can't go. I then ask what about after work. She then tells me she will go, but only for drinks and food. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k, the proceed to 51. Again to problem getting in the door. I then sit down with my 4th heineken, horny and ready for any action! Another 15min goes by and a very eager beaver sits next to me and rubs my back while asking for a LD. I figure this chick really wants some money, so pop the question again. AND again I'm shot down. More BS about can't leave work and that she is on her period. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave. After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

My only question is this. What is going on here? ! ? Did I do something wrong? Is it because I'm viet kieu? Last year I had no problem going to these places and getting any pussy I wanted. Now everyone is uptight and uninterested. Any advice would be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC! [/QUOTE]

Really strange. I have been rejected before but it's pretty rare (for me at least). The fact they wouldn't even let you in at 2 of the bars makes me think it's something to do with concern about undercover police or something. But I'm guessing just like you are.

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC!.

. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k,

. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave.

After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

![/QUOTE]


I feel your frustration pal,

But I must have missed something in your report, as I still don't understand why you even bother to leave such a huge tip for these girls that frustrated you and gave you nothing in return. Try to remember that tips in Vietnam (and in most Asian countries in general) is not expected unless service was rendered or service was good. By giving them a nice large tip, it will give them a wrong message that providing zero service will get them a nice return. Not what we like to reinforce from the gals.--IMO

PT

[QUOTE=Wendella]Really strange. I have been rejected before but it's pretty rare (for me at least). The fact they wouldn't even let you in at 2 of the bars makes me think it's something to do with concern about undercover police or something. But I'm guessing just like you are.[/QUOTE]
Believe me guys, there is no problem with undercover police at bars on HBT and surrounds. That's what these bars do, supply girls for takeout. It's no secret, they are not hidden, they are not new. They are out in the open for everyone to see (rules require closed doors at night) and they have been there for many, many years. Also, they are right in the center of the main tourist area. That's what they are there for! It takes no undercover police to discover their mission, their mission was set for them long ago and it is fully approved, for the obvious reasons.

The more likely reason for this Viet Kieu poster's recent troubles at some bars is a recent story making the rounds. Whether the story is true or not I can't say. It describes an all-too-common and unfortunate type of abuse of sex workers, but not one that usually happens to girls from the HBT bars. It seems that recently a Viet Kieu took a girl from one of the bars back to his hotel. They entered a darkened room and then the guy and four of his friends jumped the girl and all abused her sexually. They took off and left her, without paying anything of course.

This happens to streetwalkers and you can see when they go in a room they are wary and looking around. So now girls at the bars have become wary of Viet Kieu, at least for a while.
JD

[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Let me start of by saying I have NEVER struck out 3 times before in HMC! I started my day off at 7:00pm, because you know what they say "the early bird gets the worm" or at least they get my worm. Anyways I went to smileys first and that's were the BS started! I'm viet kieu, so when I asked if I could come in for a beer in viet. The guy at the door said the place was reserved for a bday party and wouldn't let me in! Which is totally the worst BS excuse I ever heard one before in my life! So I figured F*&$ them I'll just head over to HBT. I decided to go to 91 because of the quality of chicks. This time I speak in english to the door guy and he lets me in with no problem. After sitting down for 30mins and two beers, I finally saw the one I wanted so asked her to sit down.

15min goes by and I pop the question, she then responds that she can't because she is working. I tell her I have no problem paying the bar fine, but she still says she can't go. I then ask what about after work. She then tells me she will go, but only for drinks and food. Now I'm starting to get a bit frustrated. I pay for the drinks and tip her 200k, the proceed to 51. Again to problem getting in the door. I then sit down with my 4th heineken, horny and ready for any action! Another 15min goes by and a very eager beaver sits next to me and rubs my back while asking for a LD. I figure this chick really wants some money, so pop the question again. AND again I'm shot down. More BS about can't leave work and that she is on her period. Now I'm really pissed off with these bitches, I proceed to pay the bill and leave. She then grabs my hand and says "tip tip". I HATE begin forced into doing anything, so I give her 50K and leave. After 3 failed attempts to obtain pussy I finally decide to call it a night.

My only question is this. What is going on here? ! ? Did I do something wrong? Is it because I'm viet kieu? Last year I had no problem going to these places and getting any pussy I wanted. Now everyone is uptight and uninterested. Any advice would be much appreciated![/QUOTE]

I asked one of the girls I know who works at one of the HBT bars. She said her bar, along with most of the other bars on HBT, don't allow VK guys in. I didn't ask why.

Rode through here at about 10: 30 on Sunday night. Made a right onto Ng. Duy Duong and noticed someone on my left. A big older woman and a young woman on back. Younger woman looked ok, curvy womanly body and pretty face with make up. I let them pull up ahead of me so I could get a look.

I was lucky we hit a red light. Pulled up next to them. Old woman wanted 400, 000. She offered this in Viet. I shook my head "no" and answered in Viet that it was too expensive. As the red light counter counted down, the old woman countered with 300, 000. Ok. We did a you-turn.

I stopped right there at a hotel I had been to once before and pulled in the parking area. They followed. Went inside with the girl. She gave them her ID and I gave them 50, 000. They gave us a condom. No words exchanged. Walked straight ahead to a group of 3 rooms. It doesn't really matter which one. They don't give you a room key. There is a lock on the inside.

Went in the room. Girl immediately goes in the bathroom with a towel.comes out a few minutes later with just the towel around her waist. Nice. She looks lush. She is a big girl, tall, with hips. She isn't fat, just so curvy and feminine looking and fresh. I feel happy for a change after so many small girls.

We lay on the bed. She pays attention to me with her hand and I pay attention to her lovely natural breasts. I get excited quickly and we put on the condom.

She is a one position girl. Too bad. But I made the most of the one position. No rushing from her. Afterwards, gave her the 300, 000 and we left.

A rare thing for me. A good SW experience.

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Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.

Hi fellas. Am going to HCMC for my first time next week. First time to Viet Nam actually. I am in need of some specific info. Please don't ask me to search, as you can see I am a senior member and know thatgig. My request is specific plus I do not yet know the geography of HCMC to answer my own Q's.
I need a hotel that is comparerable to Bangkoks "Sukhemvit Crown" or Golden Palace on soi 1. Always have inexpensive rooms available is most important as I will just show up and find a room. Also Similar or less in price ($25USD) and similar in safety and honest staff. Is that possible in the main part of HCMC? Also would like the hotel where I can get easy access to the war museum and a tour to the war tunnels. Can these 3-4 items be found together?
It is hard to correlate what is read here with an actual city layout when one hasn't been before and has no map. Please be specific if you are kind enough to respond. Gentlemen......help me start my engine! No PMs please, no hab.
Peace, and thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.[/QUOTE]Yes Milkweed you are right. Warning to everyone and anyone. This is one of the few really dangerous places in HCMC. That's Ngo Quyen, at night. It's ok in the day and has some good ST hotels. At night there is a gang of absolutely out of control, wild, drug addicts with girls (all of them high and addicts). They are aggressive and dangerous and obnoxious. Even driving on this street at night is a hazard. Stay away.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices and some 30+ women, but you have to choose carefully. It's safe there though and active around Noon and at night too. Milkweed's report below is completely accurate. I have pulled 20-30 girls off this street in the past 18 months or so and there has never been a problem except occasional poor performance on some, but that's to be expected anywhere. The price is always 150k to 300k at the highest, typically 200k. Just choose them carefully. Lots of ST hotels nearby. 50-70k per hour. Bring your camera. Use it. Post.
JD

[QUOTE=Wanderlust]Hi fellas. [/QUOTE]

I can't help with the hotel, I don't use them, but here's a great easy-to-use map. Make sure to switch to English version. This ought to make your planning a lot easier.

[url]http://www.diadiem.com/[/url]

Wendella::: Thanks bud the general map of Saigon really is a big help in knowing what you guys are talking about.
OTHERS:: please if anyone hhas specific info on $30 hotels, trust worthy staff, ALWAYS a room AVAILABILITY around other mongers please continue to respond. WL

[QUOTE=Wanderlust]Wendella::: Thanks bud the general map of Saigon really is a big help in knowing what you guys are talking about.
OTHERS:: please if anyone hhas specific info on $30 hotels, trust worthy staff, ALWAYS a room AVAILABILITY around other mongers please continue to respond. WL[/QUOTE]Wanderlust - I can give you the hotel info that you want but only on PM and not in the forum. These places are small and could not handle the overload - there is also a concern over prying eyes. And they do not show on Wendella's map - the ones that show there are not GF.

There is a a hotel thread and if you read or scan it you will find the info that you need - but you may need to go back a bit.

The other advice is to book one night at one of the hotels near Dong Khoi on Wendella's map and take a walk around in the morning. You will soon find what you want.

And I did send you a PM.

What a trip report?

It reminds me of my time in Sia gon.

The traffic was at a halt. Vietnam won, football game with Thailand. Many young pretty faces in the crowd and the road.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Rode through here at about 10: 30 on Sunday night. Made a right onto Ng. Duy Duong and noticed someone on my left. A big older woman and a young woman on back. Younger woman looked ok, curvy womanly body and pretty face with make up. I let them pull up ahead of me so I could get a look.

I was lucky we hit a red light. Pulled up next to them. Old woman wanted 400, 000. She offered this in Viet. I shook my head "no" and answered in Viet that it was too expensive. As the red light counter counted down, the old woman countered with 300, 000. Ok. We did a you-turn.

A rare thing for me. A good SW experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johndao]That's Ngo Quyen, at night.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices [/QUOTE]Ngo Quyen at which cross street?

And which stretch of Ng Chi Thanh? (around which intersection)

I've seen them in these areas, but just wanted to be sure about which exact area(s) you're referring to.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]Last night about 10: 30 I made a right turn onto NQ from Ng. Chi Thanh. I hit a hornets nest of motorbike pimps. Maybe half a dozen of them. Some male pimps and some older women. They all had a girl on the back. I rode through a couple times and they were aggressive in hawking their girls. I didn't see anything I liked. I stopped next to the one pimp and he reached in the direction of my keys on the motorbike. That was enough for me and I tool off.

Anyone have experience here? It seems a bit aggressive for me. Ng. Chi Thanh (between Ng. Tri Phuong and Su Van Hanh) seems gentle in comparison.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm kinda larfing when I read this as Ngo quen is my local. I live 2 streets away I do agree the pimps and the girls are kinda pushy, and I am sure they will steal if you lose control of the situation, but there are a few attractive girls there. Dangerous. In not sure if agree. And I have never noticed any daytime or midday action. But thn I'm not picking up any thing act midday on NCT either.

Never mongered in HCMC before but visiting next month and, obviously, would like to do so.

Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Never mongered in HCMC before but visiting next month and, obviously, would like to do so.

Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).[/QUOTE]
VN is probably the most unpleasant and difficult place to monger for one who is not familiar with the country and city and ways of the people. It's nothing like any neighboring country. To meet all the criteria you listed above you will need to go to one of the Hai Ba Trung and vicinity bars (Le Thanh Ton) which have been discussed here, in great detail, over and over, for years. Sometimes I complain that is the only topic here!

Although ridiculously overpriced by local standards, they are safe places, you will meet a girl to meet your standards easily, they will take you someplace ok and the experience may be very good or at least acceptable. That's why these places are allowed to exist, for the convenience of businessman at the nearby hotels and so men don't have to go out hunting streetwalkers and meeting moto taxi drivers looking to cheat them. Just easy, safe and ok. But as I said, expensive. I never go there, but some have described paying as much as 1.2 million plus 400,000 more to the bar and some even reporting that the bar manager still demands more for a minimum number of drinks. But if you do not use the services of these bars, as a newcomer you may have very difficult and unhappy experiences here.
JD

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]

[b][i]...[color=red]Please don't advise and subject me to reading through pages and pages of reports for the answer to my simple question [/color]which might be answered easily by one of you local experts.[/b][/i]

My question is where might best I head to obtain a decent shag with a reasonably presentable, young (under 25) Vietnamese lady which is going to be relatively hassle free and not involve getting scammed, viciously scalped or any other similar nasty occurrences endangering my pleasure.

Take it most hotels are not GF and ST motels/hotels are the norm?

Apologies if that is more than 1 question:).[/QUOTE]

Well, a good day to you too! :D

Here's a recent post that was recommended to ROD, provides a quick run down of some of the bars that Johndao mentions in the prevous post:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=842707&postcount=152[/url]

With regards to your question on hotels, the answer is 'yes'.

Hope that was a fitting response to your question (and the manner in which you asked it.) ;)

Have a good trip.

[QUOTE=Johndao]Yes Milkweed you are right. Warning to everyone and anyone. This is one of the few really dangerous places in HCMC. That's Ngo Quyen, at night. It's ok in the day and has some good ST hotels. At night there is a gang of absolutely out of control, wild, drug addicts with girls (all of them high and addicts). They are aggressive and dangerous and obnoxious. Even driving on this street at night is a hazard. Stay away.

The nearby Ng Chi Thanh can be a gold mine of young girls at cheap prices and some 30+ women, but you have to choose carefully. It's safe there though and active around Noon and at night too. Milkweed's report below is completely accurate. I have pulled 20-30 girls off this street in the past 18 months or so and there has never been a problem except occasional poor performance on some, but that's to be expected anywhere. The price is always 150k to 300k at the highest, typically 200k. Just choose them carefully. Lots of ST hotels nearby. 50-70k per hour. Bring your camera. Use it. Post.

JD[/QUOTE]JD,

How is the action during the day on NCT? Are they all on MBs? Just want to know how to spot them and where. Should i walk the streets between NQ and Su Van Hanh?

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Well, a good day to you too! :D

Here's a recent post that was recommended to ROD, provides a quick run down of some of the bars that Johndao mentions in the prevous post:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=842707&postcount=152[/url]

With regards to your question on hotels, the answer is 'yes'.

Hope that was a fitting response to your question (and the manner in which you asked it.) ;)

Have a good trip.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that Raverboy and Johndao. Your advise and recommendations are much appreciated.

Sorry, if my phrasing sounded a little sharp, Rboy. I assure you nothing was further from my mind. Just that I'm on the road at the moment without a reliable internet connection (using net cafes) and am unable to do much online research.

My fault for not doing my research before I left home:(.

Does the going get harder outside HCMC? I mean is there any decent mongering prospects in Nha Trang, Dalat, Hanoi etc?

Cheers

I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?

I am searching through the archives and I am sure I will have more questions as time goes along.

Thanks for the help.

Martin

Flight to SGN arrives late (23:30). Do I (or should I) need reservations for late night arrival for 2/3* hotel in market area? Can I trust airport taxi drivers to recommend hotels?

Only staying overnight in hcmc before progressing to BKK. Flights to sgn + airasia sgn/BKK r/t are 50% cost of flights to BKK now. Plan to stay 3-4 days in hcmc on return leg.

[QUOTE=Dionysius]Flight to SGN arrives late (23:30). Do I (or should I) need reservations for late night arrival for 2/3* hotel in market area? Can I trust airport taxi drivers to recommend hotels?

Only staying overnight in hcmc before progressing to BKK. Flights to sgn + airasia sgn/BKK r/t are 50% cost of flights to BKK now. Plan to stay 3-4 days in hcmc on return leg.[/QUOTE]

You will find information about SGN hotels under the Hotels thread.

Look at the First Hotel, Ho Chi Minh City. It is not very far from the airport and a nice hotel. There is a bar across the street where you can relax and get a beer after the long trip. I would get it before arrival. Many small hotels close and lock the door early.

[QUOTE=El Vagabundo]I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?


Martin[/QUOTE]

Driving a motorcycle in Vietnam is not safe in IMHO.
You also cannot legally rent a motorcycle without a Vietnamese drivers' license.

The people outside Saigon are basicaly good people. It is a relatively safe country, much safer than the US.

Just by chance as I was waiting last evening for my gig, I noticed something worth reporting here. So many of you fellow mongerers are searching for the ready to go and use diy approach that is fool proof. Well that doesn't exist in VN, BUT! While waiting "unusually long for at least 15min" in front of one of the hotel in Bui Vien (near the Go2 crossing) where I always go (due to the reliability, PM if you wanna know which) it was more than obvious that this spot is designed for those opportunities: The Motorbikes with the ladies keep passing by especially early evening ( 8-10) and start their journey hunting tourists through here. Standing there waiting you're pray for them, and within these 15 minutes 6 girls (6 8) approached me "hello, massage bum bum BJ, or what you want". I didn't even need to look at them so with some efforts you can select from a decent selection just go back to the hotel in front of which you're standing (frequented and accepted by all those) pay the 100k for an hour (extend an hour for 50K). Noone can follow you in this place as it is not a shaddy place and you won't be running in any scene as the Hotel Mangement is keen to keep its clientel. Not sure how much to pay the girl but guess 500k is max you should do

Happy hunting

[QUOTE=Ajashi] Not sure how much to pay the girl but guess 500k is max you should do

Happy hunting[/QUOTE]


Nice report, but I think 300,000 is enough for the girl.

[QUOTE=Gaolei]Driving a motorcycle in Vietnam is not safe in IMHO.
You also cannot legally rent a motorcycle without a Vietnamese drivers' license.

The people outside Saigon are basicaly good people. It is a relatively safe country, much safer than the US.[/QUOTE]

Riding a motorcycle in VN is definitely riskier, unless you're a seasoned rider or unless you're in the countryside (not including highways, which IMO is a fastrack way to meet your end, Viet-style!). Took me about a year of living here before I felt comfortable enough to ride around Saigon on a scooter and purchase one. That is without having any prior experience riding a motorbike.

Nobody 'legally rents' a motorcycle here. That would mean putting all the good folks in Pham Ngu Lao out of business. Many aren't even 'legal' to ride (no license). That's the risk with riding here - you can assure yourself you'll be careful but you can't get the same assurance from others. Money talks, no license required to rent, just the Uncle Ho's. Of course, good luck if you hit someone.

[QUOTE=El Vagabundo]I am planning my first trip to Vietnam in December. The plan is to fly into HCMC, cruise around until I have had my fill, then move on to The Philippines. Hang out another several weeks and then on to Thailand. I am flying out of BKK 6 weeks after I arrive into HCMC. As always my plans are flexible. Fluid so to speak.

Questions

1) Are inexpensive motorcycle rentals available as in Thailand and Philippines?

2) If so, is traveling outside of HCMC safe?

I am searching through the archives and I am sure I will have more questions as time goes along.

Thanks for the help.

Martin[/QUOTE]Dude,

I have to say something. I've been a rider forever, a true motorbike lover, and I came in Vietnam to ride, actually. Don't listen to those who tells you that you need a driver licence to rent a bike here. They forgot prostitution is also forbidden in VN, while you have prostitutes everywhere. It's like this here: there's a gap between the official rules and the reality.

Well.

1/ Yes you can. The matter will be to find a nice bike. Finding a dirt bike is extremely hard in HCM, easier in Hanoi. I have a 250cc dirt bike here, and I've seen only a very few in town those last months. And I'm all the time riding. What you can find pretty easily are those "custom" bikes, looking like Harley, not sure what is the cc, but I think you can get a 250 or even a 400. They do rent those close to Pham Ngu Lao area. Min: 5 days, average tourist price: 40USD.

2/ Yes it is, if you're a skillful driver. Highway is dangerous because of trucks, but if you're very careful, no problem. The thing is that it's extremely exhausting to drive so aware. You'll need four days to do HCM-Hanoi in safe conditions. Nevertheless, riding at night on the highway is absolutely out of question if you do not wanna die. Also, careful on the countryside roads. To me, they're way more dangerous than the highway.

Happy ride. And be safe.

I never rode a scooter/moped/motorbike until I moved here. Now I love riding. Don't let people put you off from riding here, however be aware of the risk's and dangers. Police will stop you and try to get a "fine" I had one stop me and ask usd$50 but I laughed in his face, shouted NO! And grabbed his name badge, by then he was not so confident and let me go. I was lucky as I didn't have my vn lic then. International lic are not recognised here. The first few times will be scary. Think motocross race where they are all bunched up at the start as it's similar when you are waiting at the traffic lights. Don't be too quick to take off on a green light as theres always the few bicycles, cars, trucks, bus's and bikes that believe the road rules don't apply to them. If your wanting to try it for a experience then go for it. Like many things that are fun in life. Just don't get caught!

if you are looking for what they call 'motorbikes', those are everywhere and can be had for as little as 50,000vnd per day. that means honda wave or something like that. there's lesser models than that (like honda dream) and better ones (yamaha nuovo, atila, etc.) not sure if you meant a real motorcycle, as hyatt just described, or just meant theses standard type bikes that everyone drives in the city (and outside it as well).

as for safety, i disagree strongly with hyatt re highway safety. i used to do the trek from hcmc to bien hoa pretty often. i wouldn't try it again. the truth is that the trucks drive very dangerously and often run motorbike riders over, almost always killing them. you have no control over this. they pass on the left, they pass on the right, and you never know when someone's going to do something stupid. a few days ago, by accident i caught a glimpse of an extremely nasty video of a vn cop who'd been run over by a truck at the roadside. the worst thign i've seen in my life. i would make a guess that highway deaths in this country are probably close to teh highest in the world. you have all these motorbikes everywhere, and truck drivers who have no sense of responsibility swerving all over the place at too-high speeds -- no real enforcement of speed or drunk driving laws -- its a recipe for the worst highway safety conditions imaginable.

I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?

[QUOTE=Sea Mad]I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want...

...BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?[/QUOTE]

Did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? If you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in VN. This is based on a colleague's experience. I never had a motorbike license despite being licensed for motor vehicles since I was 17. My VN motorbike license is my first motorbike license - had to take a VNmese riding test, which is an experience unlike any other!

Insurance... if you're willing to risk riding in VN, I doubt this would be of any consideration... ;)

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? If you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in VN.[/quote]Not necessarily automatic, per example in France, you can drive a motorbike under 125cc after 2 years of car licence. however you won't get the stamps unless you ask for changing your licence (which is lifetime there). I had more than 2 years car licence which allow me to drive a bike in France but no stamps so i had to pass the driving test, which anyway is a masquerade!

[quote=raverboy]did you convert your home country license yourself or did someone do it for you? if you can 'drive whatever motorbike you want' in your home country, the conversion (if done properly and you have paid the 'right' fees to the 'right' person) would allow you to do the same in vn. this is based on a colleague's experience. i never had a motorbike license despite being licensed for motor vehicles since i was 17. my vn motorbike license is my first motorbike license - had to take a vnmese riding test, which is an experience unlike any other!

insurance... if you're willing to risk riding in vn, i doubt this would be of any consideration... ;)[/quote]i did it by myself following the instructions found here:

[url]http://chao-vietnam.********.com/2007/10/drivers-licenses-easy-to-obtain-for.html[/url]

if you have all the proper documents (and i started to get my copy (notarized duplicate) of the original driver’s license in my country as it has to be notarized by the local vietnamese embassy) it’s not difficult.

paid vnd 30,000.

probably there are other ways to get the vietnamese driving license and by bribing enough it could be possible to obtain whatever license you want.

according to the australian embassy ([url]http://www.vietnam.embassy.gov.au/hnoi/driving_in_vietnam.html[/url])

“the penalties for driving offences should be clearly understood. for example, driving without a proper licence may involve severe penalties. experience has shown that such penalties might be as much as a three year jail sentence for driving unlicensed, up to ten years imprisonment for driving unlicensed and causing an accident, and up to twenty years imprisonment for driving unlicensed and causing an accident resulting in death. actual penalties are, of course, determined by the police and the courts.”

i have been driving in vietnam for almost two years without problems, but i strictly respect the traffic rules especially speed limits. in an giang they do check your speed and if you’re speeding you will not only be fined but your bike will be sized and kept for some time.
btw it seems that also in hcmc police is starting to be stricter on traffic violations…
[url]http://chao-vietnam.********.com/2009/04/foreign-drivers-must-cooperate-with.html[/url]

the reason i’m looking for a third party insurance is that if you have a traffic accident here you’ll find yourself to be a walking atm. the amount you’re going to pay is settled by the police and they are not always fair to a foreigner (all foreigners are rich for vietnamese police), in cambodia i had an insurance you had to call immediately after the traffic accident: they will send an employee to do the bargaining, you weren’t supposed to open your mouth nor to pay.

it seems that the forum rules to not allow to link the site with the information about the driving license, so i will copy the content (to the moderator, please delete the following if the links are allowed).


driver’s licenses, easy to obtain for foreigners in vietnam
obtaining a driver’s license is now easier for foreigners

is it legal to ride a motorbike in vietnam with a four-wheel vehicle driver’s license from another country? how can foreigners acquire driving licenses here?

it’s relatively easy for tourists and expats to drive legally in vietnam.

vietnam is attracting more and more foreigners who come not only for tourism but also to live, study and work.

traffic congestion in the country’s cities is common, but that doesn’t stop many expatriates from driving themselves around. and as it turns out, obtaining a legal license to drive in vietnam is not very difficult at all.

“most foreigners who have a driver’s license issued in their home countries simply have to register for a license here,” says lam thanh trung, vice-chief of the agency for granting driving licenses (a sub-department of ho chi minh city’s service of transportation).

“the agency processes over 100 licenses for foreigners every month,” says trung.

“with the required documents, one can have their license registered within seven days.”

who can get a driver’s license in vietnam?

according to a 2006 mandate by the ministry of transportation, all foreigners can register for a license in vietnam if they had a valid one issued to them in their home countries.

each city or province’s department of transportation is in charge of granting driver’s licenses for foreigners with licenses issued in their home countries, tourists from neighboring countries driving their own cars in vietnam, and vietnamese who acquired a driving license abroad.

however, licenses are only granted to those who have valid travel visas for a period of at least three months in vietnam (though the actual length of the visit does not have to be that long).

“many tourists make the mistake that it’s legal to drive here with an international driver’s licence. but they also have to register,” trung says.

expiry dates and written exams

“the period for which a [registered] license remains valid is based on the expiry date of one’s original license from home,” says trung.

“standard driver’s licenses in vietnam are good for five years. motorbike licenses, on the other hand, have no expiry date.”

an important point to note, how-ever, is that the type of license issued in vietnam will only be equivalent to the type granted in one’s home country.

for instance, “a four-wheel driver’s license can-not be registered to ride a motorcycle,” trung stresses.

those who have a four-wheel license but want to ride a motorcycle will have to pass an exam on riding techniques, but won’t have to take a written exam on traffic laws.

to begin, a form requesting a license must be obtained (see below) and filled out by any one of the following: the vietnamese embassy, the consulate general, the representative office of international organization in vietnam, the ministry of foreign affairs, department of planning and investment or the general director of joint-venture and foreign-capital companies. a valid pass-port will also be required.

overseas vietnamese will need to have their documents completed by the committee for overseas vietnamese.

what’s required?

the following submissions are required for a foreigner to get a driver’s license in vietnam:

■ 1 petition (issued form) requesting driver’s license
■ 1 copy (notarized duplicate) of original driver’s license
■ 1 vietnamese-translated copy (notarized duplicate) of driver’s license
■ 1 copy (duplicate) of passport 3 passport-sized photos
■ original copies of passport and driver’s license must be shown when submitting all documents

forms to request a driver’s license can be obtained at the agency for granting driver’s licenses or sgtcc.hochiminhcity.gov.vn

in ho chi minh city, all documents must be submitted to the authorities for driver’s license registration, located at:
252 ly chinh thang street, district 3, 8 nguyen anh thu street, district 12.
open weekdays only.

the fee is vnd30,000 (us$2) for one license.



monday, april 13, 2009
foreign drivers must cooperate with traffic police

two men from cameroon were caught encroaching into auto lanes and had no driving licenses in district 3 in january

ho chi minh city police will not tolerate resistance from foreign drivers found flouting traffic rules without a driver’s license, a police official said.

the ho chi minh city police department set up a task force to oversee the observation of traffic regulations by foreigners late last month.

the move followed a crackdown on foreigners and overseas vietnamese caught breaking traffic regulations last december.

english-fluent traffic police have been dispatched mostly to district 1 to handle foreigner-related traffic infringements.

any violating foreign driver will have their bikes impounded if they cannot present a driver’s license, said lieutenant-colonel nguyen ngoc loan, head of the traffic police task force no.1 at the city police department.

foreign drivers who were uncooperative with traffic police would face additional fines of vnd1.5 million, loan said.

loan also said the city police department would consider printing traffic violation tickets in english to make it easier for foreign drivers to read and sign.

ho chi minh city traffic police deputy chief lieutenant-colonel tran thanh tra said the current fines for the owners of rented motorbikes were not enough of a deterrent.

owners of motorbikes rented by foreigners face fines of vnd100,000-200,000 ($5.90-11.80) if their customers break traffic regulations.

tra said the fines should be higher.

how to apply for a vietnamese driving license:

foreigners eligible for driving licenses in vietnam include those who have lived, worked or studied in vietnam for at least three months and have legitimate driving licenses granted by their home countries.

to apply for a vietnamese driving license foreigners need to submit the following documents:

*

an application letter certified by their vietnamese employer or agency;
*

a copy of their driving license from their home country and a vietnamese translation;
*

a copy of their passport. those under diplomatic immunity must present an introduction letter from the ministry of foreign affairs; and
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three passport photos.

license applications, which should be processed within five days, can be made at hcmc department of transport offices at:

252 ly chinh thang, ward 9, district 3; 8 nguyen anh thu, trung my tay ward, district 12; or 111 tan son nhi, tan son nhi ward, tan phu district.

in hanoi, the documents can be submitted at the hanoi department of transport offices at:

16 cao ba quat, ba dinh district; or 2 phung hung street, ha dong town.

[QUOTE=Sea Mad]I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?[/QUOTE]Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more tha 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club (having a card there cost 6 000USD).

But look: I have tons of friends riding big dirt bikes like me (most of them 400c) and I see R1 or CBR riden by rich kids every Friday night downtown.

Actually the police never arrested me. First because they think I'm a rich foreigner, second because my bike is big, noisy and very high, and I'm also very tall. I can tell you it scares people out, even the policemen. Trust me.

I've been arrested once by the cops because. They wanted to look at my engine. I was a bit afraid, but just told them I like their bike and their uniforms and they were very happy. As I'm all the time riding the city, I think all those folks know me and have absolutely no interest in having trouble with me. So you're safe dude. If you're looking for a bike like mine or even bigger, just tell me: I know where to get, with papers and everything you need.

You do not need any driver licence or vietnamese wife to have it.

About my friends who ride small regular VN bikes. They get arrested all the time.

It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though I'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and easy to impress.

Word

[QUOTE=Sea Mad]I would like to know how Hyatt is able to drive around on a 250 cc bike. Actually you’re not supposed to drive a bike bigger than 175 cc, the exception to the rule being military, civil workers that need bigger bikes and so on. As I converted my driving license to a Vietnamese one I got the A1 (bikes from 50 cc to 175 cc, under 50 cc you don’t need a driving license) and the B1 (cars) levels even if in my country I can drive whatever motorbike I want.

I live in the province and I’m pretty sure that driving a big motorbike would mean to ask for troubles with the police, probably it’s different in HCMC or Hanoi.

Driving in Vietnam is quite better than driving in Cambodia where I lived three years, but it’s still dangerous for someone that is not accustomed to the Vietnamese way of driving. Driving outside the main cities you have to keep in mind that everything bigger than a motorbike takes precedence on you, prepare to give way. Take also care from whatever/whoever runs out from the house on the road sides, doga and kids being the most dangerous.

BTW Can someone suggest a third party insurance company? How much does it cost?[/QUOTE]Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more than 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club (having a card there cost 6 000USD), or civil workers who need it, like forrest guards. The licence for those is A2, and cost more than 3 000USD.

But look: i have tons of friends riding big dirt bikes like me (most of them 400c) and i see R1 or CBR riden by rich kids every friday night downtown.

Actually the police never annoyed me. First because they think I'm a rich foreigner, second because my bike is big, noisy and very high, and i'm also very tall - i can tell you it scares people out, even the policemen. Trust me. They don't wanna have to deal with you, it's so much easier to go get money from a local.

I've been arrested once by the cops because.... they wanted to look at my engine. I was a bit afraid, but just told them i like their bike and their uniforms and they were very happy. As i'm all the time riding the city, i think all those folks know me and have absolutely no interest in having trouble with me. So you're safe dude. If you're looking for a bike like mine or even bigger, just tell me: i know where to get, with papers and everything you need.

Nevertheless, I don't know about how easy is it in the provnces, mostly in the upper north. What I know is that if one day they try to stop me there... I wish they can ride faster than me, because I would never stop.

About my friends who ride small regular VN bikes... They get arrested all the time :-) 5USD here, 5USD there... ahah.

It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though i'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and still easy to impress.

Word

Sea Mad,

Great information on getting a licensee. It would be a real adventure, something very cool to do. I have time, so I may just go ahead and give it a try.

Wendella:

I was thinking of something like a Honda 200 enduro. I rented one like that in the Philippines several years ago and adventured all around Luzon. It was a very good bike.

Raverboy:

Having transportation gives you more freedom, especially on a motorcycle. I will for sure be cautious. I am well versed in how to deal with laws that seem to change based on the circumstances. The thing I like about living in Colombia is that what ever you have done, good or bad, it is all fixable with money.

Mik Hcmc:

I know what you mean. I live in Colombia and there are a million little motorcycles and scooters everywhere. They cut you off, drive the wrong way, over the sidewalk and are a pest. The are like flies and need to be swatted away.

Hyatt: I too am a true Motorcycle lover. I did Georgia, USA to Colombia earlier this year. I am planning riding from Colombia South in Feb or March. I would love to be able to ride Vietnam to Thailand. I am looking into what the options are. Perhaps you have some insight for me.

Thanks for the help.

I'll be back in the city from Oct 3rd thru the 17th. If anyone wants to meet up, PM me.

[QUOTE=Hyatt]

It's a matter of attitude man. Social status is everything on vietnam. Acting like a rich foreigner kid (even though i'm not) keeps me away from trouble with policemen, who are mostly young fellas from countryside not speaking one word of english and still easy to impress.
[/QUOTE]

I always got away whenever I was stopped by police -- almost always just let go after behaving nicely and playing along with it, apologizing, etc. Until this year. The ones who pulled me over this year would have none of it. They wouldn't even explain why I got pulled over. And they spoke English. They're trained, this new group, to not listen to us, and not negotiate. None of the usual tactics worked. They were taking me and my bike back to the station, there was no way anything else was goign to happen. Once there, they hold it for a month. You can go back, pay fines and pick it up a month later. No negotiation possible.

This is happening a LOT in HCMC these days, starting this year. They pull you over, and if you don't have your papers handy (license, ownership of the bike papers, insurance (thats what they said) and all of these originals), they take you in. I know someone who rents out lots of motorbikes to foreigners here, mostly teachers -- and they said this has happened to lots of their bikes this year. The effort kicked off around the start of 2009.

atWendella

Aww man, I feel so sorry to hear that. I seriously wonder why they never stop me, I'm wondering if they're not a afraid a bit because the bike is big and I'm also kinda tall. But you scaring me dude. Is there anyway to recognize those killer cops? And do you remember where you've been stopped? (pigs usually hunt at the same places).

Anyway, about your bike, one thing you do need to know: what happens often is that they take you some parts there. And then replace those with Chinese craps. It depends what bike you have. A nice japanese one? You're in deep trouble bro. A Chinese/VN shit? You're safe.

Whatever happens, go to your favourite garage after they gave you back your bike and check everything is fine. Trust me, I have my insiders there, and I know how it works once they keep your bike.

hm. i don't see why cops would be afraid to pull you over.

can't tell if you're being sarcastic or straight about being scared. it's not that big a deal -- at worst your bike gets confirep001ed for a month and you have to pay a few hundred at the end of that to get it back. just rent another bike while you wait for it.

if you know chi's cafe in the backpacker district, ask chi how many of her rented bikes (she has dozens out) have been taken by the cops. it's harder to find out for big bikes just because they're much more rare. but i don't see why the cops would be intimidated by the bike size.

the cops who got me appeared out of nowhere on a busy street in d5. never saw them there again. i didn't see them staked out, just noticed when they drove up next to me. they were probably driving around.

anyway, i did get my bike back intact, and it's a real yamaha. i did hear that too, that the parts would get taken. and i stressed over that. but when i got it back, my parts weren't touched. there were some scratches on it from other bikes that must have been parked in too close, but that's all. otherwise it was fine. lucky? maybe.

Guys, if you stay here for long, the best is to pass the licence...just need motivation to get all the papers but then the driving test is feasible even by a 10yo kid.

Here you can find some information:

[url]http://sgtvt.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/web/data/news/2008/3/4501/case2.htm[/url]

This case for car licence holder, if you have already the motorbike one inanother country, it's even easier. Only if you don't have a licence in another country, you're in the shit, cause then you need to pass the question exam and you need to speak vietnamese. Hard!

I did it and it took me 3 week to get my licence (inlcuding the convocation to exam and time to receive your licence), very easy.

Hope it helped and if you have any question don't hesitate to PM me.

Do we have a thread for Beer Om and KTVs? It would be good to have a list of good places in Saigon.

If not, does anyone know of a good place with consistent girls (8s - 10s)? I remember going to one a few years back near An Dong market in District 5 but cant find it anymore.

The place is quite nice and the girls atractive and friendly however, whilst it wasnt a bad experience, id also say that it wasnt great as it wasnt value for money. Id suggest you go there if you don't have much game, can't speak the local language and plan to hook up with the girl later in the night for 100 us. But if thats not your intention then id say skip on the KTV experience.

I'm not sure how the other guys feel, but basically what I got from that night from the girls aspect was to cuddle and hug a girl for 3 hrs and joke and flirt around. I wasnt planning on any sexual activity anyway so I didn't even ask for a number. The girls are attractive, but not more so than girls I chat up in bars or coffee shops. The night cost us 2.5 mill for 5 people, the costs broke down to something like 12+ beers at 42keach, room charges and a girl charge. Which after talking to my local friend was a scam. We/I should have debated that extra charge but I was ignorant towards that so that was an extra 1.2 mill we could have avoided so you guys will have to sue me for it hahahah.

The girls we then tipped 300k, which again is slightly higher than normal. But if your try to sex her up I suppose you should agree, but maybe we need to be more assertive and say thats enough.

Further the mommy and the waiter was tipped 300k and 100k repsectively. Again from a locals point of view that is excessive. It would be more closer to 100k and 50k respectively. Keep in mind that if 300k was the normal price the mommy would be getting 1.5 mill on average a nite that 45 mill a month or 10x the average wage. Which is kinda ridiculas given she didn't even do any work or sat with us.

Again like said earlier on, if all I planned to do was chat and flirt with an attractve girl drink some beers. I can do that at a coffee shop and it would cost me 150k max. In a bar 300k max. In a KTV if you wanna hook up later and do some x rated groping then maybe it could justify the additional costs, or if you had little time and game. I couldn't be disprectful to the girl and grope her in public, maybe if I was by myself. I'll try a lower scale bia om and report the differences, I'll prob go with a local or go by myself

Thanks for reading and thats my 2 cents.

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[QUOTE=MutantChicken]The place is quite nice and the girls atractive and friendly however, whilst it wasn't a bad experience, id also say that it wasn't great as it wasn't value for money. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for the detailed report Chicken. It should be obvious to anyone that this kind of activity is a near total waste of time and money. Do you like to sing Karaoke? It boggles the mind to think of how much more effectively this kind of cash and time could be used, even at HBT, LTT, TVL girlie bars.
JD

[QUOTE=Johndao]Thanks for the detailed report Chicken. It should be obvious to anyone that this kind of activity is a near total waste of time and money. Do you like to sing Karaoke? It boggles the mind to think of how much more effectively this kind of cash and time could be used, even at HBT, LTT, TVL girlie bars.
JD[/QUOTE]

Not sure I'd say a total waste of time, not for everyone at least. For a guy who likes a girl a step up (does her hair, makeup, wears a sexy outfit, etc.) then this is one option. Yes the HBT bars are cheaper, but 1. those bar girls are a bit down the totem pole in terms of seediness and 2. in those bars it's mostly the same girls who've been there forever, so if you've toured all those bars and are on the lookout for new territory (ie you're sick of the HBT bars and looking for where the grass is greener, or at least a diff green), even if its more expensive, then this place might be a good option. If price is your priority, then it's not for you. If variety and seeing some fresh blood is your top priority, then it is. For some guys, atmosphere does matter, so the cheap spots are usually a turnoff for someone like that. Myself, I'm always willing to try both kinds. It doesn't bother me to spend a bit more to experience of a scene that's new and good. Once in awhile, I like to treat myself.

MC: how does it work there? They take you to the room... then what? How is it exactly you end up with the girl?

Spotted a bia om in downtown D1 the other day. Cao Ba Nha street. Didn't catch the street #. Confirmed by staff that that's what it is. This is that little street that runs parallel to Tran Hung Dao -- if you know the traffic circle at the ened of Cong Quynh near where ILA school is, head from there toward THD and you see this little side street just before THD on the right, Cao Ba Nha, and its down the far end of that street, on the right side, just before it ends. No idea what quality.

[QUOTE=Wendella]Not sure I'd say a total waste of time, not for everyone at least. For a guy who likes a girl a step up (does her hair, makeup, wears a sexy outfit, etc.) then this is one option. Yes the HBT bars are cheaper, but 1. those bar girls are a bit down the totem pole in terms of seediness and 2. in those bars it's mostly the same girls who've been there forever, so if you've toured all those bars and are on the lookout for new territory (ie you're sick of the HBT bars and looking for where the grass is greener, or at least a diff green), even if its more expensive, then this place might be a good option. If price is your priority, then it's not for you. If variety and seeing some fresh blood is your top priority, then it is. For some guys, atmosphere does matter, so the cheap spots are usually a turnoff for someone like that. Myself, I'm always willing to try both kinds. It doesn't bother me to spend a bit more to experience of a scene that's new and good. Once in awhile, I like to treat myself.[/QUOTE]
Some of what you write is true, but remember, there was NO SEX in this experience. They wasted all that time and money just to sit next to a girl. Great, if you love to sing. I don't. Does anyone here actually like Karaoke? W, I don't think we can compare sex experiences and non-sex experiences, apples and oranges, you know.
As far as hair, clothes, makeup, etc., those who think a prostitute charging more because she has red wavy hair, makeup, a sexy dress and high heels is worth more, that she is a 'step up' from a girl with natural, straight, black hair and no or little makeup, wearing jeans and t-shirt, then you deserve to pay for that. Oh, and if she can speak a bit of English, that's always good for another 500k.
So let's see, take your basic 200k short-time girl and add 1) English skills-500k; 2) reddish hair-100k; 3) waved or straightened hair-100k; 4) cheap high heels-100k or expensive high heels-250k; 5) sexy dress from Ng. Trai St.-100k or sexy clothes from Mango-250k; 6) Good makeup-100k or very good makeup which makes her look quite beautiful-250k.
Well, there you have it. Your basic Saigon wh*re with bells and whistles, accessories, all the add-ons (maybe an iPhone and a big moto) high-class look, a step-up girl--1.2 million.
For me, when she's naked and on her back, I really couldn't care less about what she was wearing before. Or how much makeup she has on. Of if her hair is wavy red or straight black. Or what phone or motorbike she rides. And frankly, I prefer if she can't speak any English. I'm just way past it, beyond marketing. I'm immune. I look right through them and see them for what they are, every time.
JD

Fellas, John is right, you know. I think it all comes down to basic Human Nature 101. It is an Asian thing to try to extract more money from any given situation. I am reminded of my stint of living in South Korea, where I lived for a year right across from a Mom&Pop little food store. Each day, or almost each day, my wife would send me over to get a loaf of Bread. Each day, I would ask "how much? " and the owner would tell me "one dollah". LOL We settled, every day, for 100 Won, which was the equivalent of a quarter. After a year was up and we were moving back to Seoul, I asked the shopkeeper why he did that, started me out at a dollar, without fail, each day. What he told me gave me great insight for my lifelong vocation, which happened to be Sales! To with, he said, "well, you never know when someone is having a weak day and will just say 'yes', and besides, if you don't ask, you don't get! "

Those of us who are stuck here in other places besides Vietnam, we read your reports with great glee and happiness, and envy you guys the whole time we are away. I am sure that all of us would trade places with you any day of the week, and be glad to have such problems. I have about 100 days before I get back there, and I am already beginning to squirm and miss sleep, wishing the day would just get here! However, in that same situation, I fear I have to agree with Johndao. First of all, when a provider acts like that toward me, I am outta there. Period. The only way I would give a tip in an instance like that, would be to avoid having to break some heads or kill some pimp. I would pay to avoid trouble, but only that. I'm sorry, but I have never believed in rewarding less than acceptable behavior.

By the way, I shall be there at the end of January, for TET, and anyone who wants me to buy them a drink, leave me a private message. Johndao, Sudsoz, Wendella, all you guys, just PM me and let me know. I look forward to it!

[QUOTE=Johndao]Some of what you write is true, but remember, ...[/QUOTE]

It's interesting that you're taking everything I mentioned and translating it into dollar amounts. I get that those things don't matter at all to you, but not everyone has the same taste you do. I'm not trying to attack your viewpoint, I'm just saying that for some people, the kinds of things that we're talking about (makeup, dress, hair done, clean modern looking place, etc.) do matter. For you they don't. OK. It takes all kinds. If those things do matter to a guy, well, it's not because he's insane or stupid, it's because that is what he likes, or what he's comfortable with. No need to put it down. I could put down that area up in Go Vap that some guys here like, because to me it doesn't quite cut it -- and I won't explain why exactly because I know some guys here like that and so I don't want to dump on the place and make them feel like I'm putting their taste down.

But I'll tell you, if the prices are not outrageous, I myself would be interested in a spot like Fortune. I think you must realize that many of the girls will meet after work, so it's not as clear cut as you just get to sing and drink. Do you know that? Maybe not, in which case I'd understand if you thought it was a total waste of money... but it's true. So its not quite correct to say that all you're paying for is singing. Fortune knows you're really after that phone number and are almost surely never coming back again, so they charge you all they can get this time. And they have customers paying it. It's not because they're stupid, it's because this is what they prefer. You're really paying for making the initial contact with the one you want, plus the luxury of having a nice big selection, a lineup that will almost surely include a few serious hotties. After that it's much cheaper because now you have the phone number and don't need to pay the inflated prices next time you want to meet her. That's how the game works in these kinds of places.

I guess my point is that the cheap places can be off-putting for some people, which includes me -- sometimes, not always. But if that was my only option, I wouldn't be thrilled. A place like Fortune does make me curious to go check out some time. Splurging once in awhile doesn't seem like such a big thing -- I wouldn't do it often, but try it once? Why not. I can afford to waste a million or so every now and then.

[QUOTE=Hyatt]Sea Mad,

Well, the rules say no one can drive more than 175cc; bigger bikes are exclusively for police OR members of the police riding club [/QUOTE]


Can you clarify this a bit.
Does this 175cc limit mean:
1)you can't even ride a 200cc bike or larger even with a license or
2)175cc is the limit you can ride with or without a license


BTW: if I plan to arrive and rent a motobike (I don't have a bike license, just a regular drivers license from home), what is the biggest motobike I can rent out for a few days or do all motobikes regardless of size require a license?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Johndao]...So let's see, take your basic 200k short-time girl and add 1) English skills-500k; 2) reddish hair-100k; 3) waved or straightened hair-100k; 4) cheap high heels-100k or expensive high heels-250k; 5) sexy dress from Ng. Trai St.-100k or sexy clothes from Mango-250k; 6) Good makeup-100k or very good makeup which makes her look quite beautiful-250k.
Well, there you have it. Your basic Saigon wh*re with bells and whistles, accessories, all the add-ons (maybe an iPhone and a big moto) high-class look, a step-up girl--1.2 million...[/QUOTE]

Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :D

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :D[/QUOTE]Show me a local who actually buys the genuine article? I've seen construction workers decked out wearing A&F, D&G, Cavalli, Armani Jeans and more name's I've never even heard of but see on Fashion TV and there are Girls wearing the same. My wife has a overflowing closet full of designer lable clothes, all bought from 15-50k. Take a walk down a local market (Not Binh Tan) and you will see clothing piled ontop, hung out all with only the designer label nametags.

As for the iPhone is it a real one? Not a china made that are very popular here, The SH150i dosn't cost 7k anymore, the poor selling SH300i (I wanted to get but have lic issues) costs around 7-8k with the SH150i costing around 4.5k-5.5k if you know where to shop. These girls don't buy new bikes, Rather bikes that have had a few hundred Km's or 1-2000kms.

Sure there will be the odd girl who has a expensive "Luxury" bike, clothes, phone but these are more the exception than the rule, otherwise you will see all the bargirls riding around dressed in designer label clothing, riding ps/sh150i's with LV seat and matching contact paper covering the fairings while talking on their iPhones.

One of my wifes girlfriends works at one of the "Numbered bars" on HBT. She has a SH150i. I had a ride of it while she rode my PS150i. That thing was a piece of sh@t. Shocks worn out, brake pads on front worn to metal, rear drum brake needing adjusting, no power, oilchange light on, temp gauge off the scale. She ended up giving it to her husband. Not all is what it seems, A lot of it is just for show.

Like my wife says you have to look good when your riding around.

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[QUOTE=Sharka]Can you clarify this a bit.

Does this 175cc limit mean:

1) You can't even ride a 200cc bike or larger even with a license or

2) 175cc is the limit you can ride with or without a license

BTW: if I plan to arrive and rent a motobike (I don't have a bike license, just a regular drivers license from home), what is the biggest motobike I can rent out for a few days or do all motobikes regardless of size require a license?

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Vietnam[/url]"A valid Vietnamese driving license is required when operating vehicles in Vietnam, including motorcycles." Taken from the website.

175cc limit means the biggest engine capacity is 175cc. Not 180cc, 200cc,250cc,600cc,1100cc.....175cc is the biggest you can ride "Legally"

There is some confusion regarding VN Car lic. I have a car lic and a 175cc bike lic. Some people say if you have a car lic u can ride unlimited capacity motobike, others say you cannot. This all depends on who is telling you and if you want to believe them.

VN dosn't recognise international driving permits/lic, nor drivers lic from other countries.

Legally you can only ride a bike with engine capacity under 50cc without a lic, Google "Honda Chaly" That is what you can legally ride.

Illegally you can ride whatever you want...providing you have enough Uncle Ho's in your pocket to donate.

If you want to get a VN lic then you need to be getting your original one translated, signed, fill out new paperwork, pass medical, pass practical test, wait some more and finally collect the oversized poorly laminated lic.

Hey guys, is there some viet kieu or skilled person in vietnamese language to share the good address from this vietnamese website:

[url]http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php?t=44967&page=4[/url]

I know that they discuss about some massage places, quite cheap but don't understand all their vocabulary, out of the basic words. If someone understand something, please share the hot spot with us.

Thanks a lot

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Good theory, except that the genuine Mango/BeBe tops cost significantly more than VND250k and that you forgot to factor in the USD800 for the iPhone that was a present from BF1 (viet kieu Oz) and the USD7000 for the Honda SH from BF2 (viet kieu US), that allows her to justify the USD100 she's asking for a f*ck. :D[/QUOTE]Hey Raver,
What I meant was not that the Mango top costs 250K but that 250k is the additional price you will pay for her BECAUSE she shops at Mango in addition to all the other things I mentioned.

To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for. If I could guarantee quality for money in a girl, her looks, shape, attitude, skills, I would not hesitate to pay for it. But often the better they fix themselves up, the more they charge, the less they perform (exceptions of course). I have found NO connection between the amount I pay a girl and how satisfied I am after, none at all. I have known girls who think it is literally a privilege to be in their company and that my cum should magically fly out of my dick merely by being in proximity to them. Give me quality for money, I'll pay. But here it is random, hit or miss with lots more misses than hits.

To use some non-P4P examples, next time you are Parkson have a good look at some of the men's dress shirts they sell with unknown Euro sounding branding. Check out the prices, easy to find some for 1.2m, 1.8m, even 2m and over. Then check out the cotton and look at the stitching, especially around the pockets and sleeve ends. It's just a joke at those prices. And the pretentious restaurants where all the attention was paid to design and ambiance and high prices with little to food quality. The best restaurants are far from the priciest ones. 'On the Six' anyone? This place is just full of pretend and pretense, selling to some of the world's most unworldly and unknowledgeable people, albeit many of them loaded with cash. Fake XO on the rocks with Coke anyone? Only 2.5m Dong per bottle, very cheap for you I think. . .
JD

So I had a it too much to drink tonight and learned the hard way, the monger's #1 rule: If it's too good to be true it probably is.

Was drinking in D1 when a chickie approached me on a bike and offered me a "massa" and boom boom, only 300, 000 VND. Had a few too many to drink so I agreed and hopped on her motorbike. My first indication should have come when we were driving well outside the D1 area across a bridge. Well out of my usual territory.

Anyway, get there and as promised a beautiful girl comes in and takes me into her room. She tells me to undress and starts to massage my back. Turns off the lights and gets down to it. At about this time I can hear something moving across the bed and immediately reach to check my wallet, at which point the girl starts full on kissing me. I push her off and check my wallet which has magically appeared next to me from my pocket. I check it and of course money is missing. Fortunately I'm not stupid and only had a million dong in there to begin with. I ask about it but the girl knows nothing (Don't they always? ).

At this point I could have made a scene but I'm in a place I haven't been before and I'm by myself so I figure, "Good on them, they got me. Be more careful next time."

Honestly, it wouldn't have been a big problem if she'd kept going 'cause she was easily a 8 or 9 (aren't they always in a scam? ). The real crime was after that I got a bait and switch where the cute girl leaves and this ugly chick replaces her.

Again, it's fine. I fell victim to the scam, I accept that, just let me blow my load and be off. Chick starts sucking for 1-2 minutes more then I get the "police, police" routine. Get my clothes basically thrown on me and then the chick takes me on her motorbike supposedly back to D1. THIS is the part that pisses me off: She just dropped me off in the middle of fucking nowhere! I mean, c'mon, you just took me for 1 million dong, at the very least you could drop me off where you found me. Whatever. She stops the bike, is very insistent which I do (again, don't know who is around that might be watching), and drives off.

I understand that I was the victim of the scam and I only have myself to blame for that. That's fine. At the very least she could have dropped me back where she got me. Fortunately I only lived like 20 minutes away from where they took me. Still, it was a big learning lesson for me.

Anyway, just to give you guys a heads up in the future; Be wary of the too good a deal lest you find yourself walking home in the rain LOL.

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[QUOTE=Lakeoffire1]Hey guys, is there some viet kieu or skilled person in vietnamese language to share the good address from this vietnamese website:

[url]http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php?t=44967&page=4[/url]

I know that they discuss about some massage places, quite cheap but don't understand all their vocabulary, out of the basic words. If someone understand something, please share the hot spot with us.

Thanks a lot[/QUOTE][url]http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://bacbaphi.com.vn/entertainment/showthread.php%3Ft%3D44967%26page%3D4&sl=vi&tl=en&history_state0=[/url]

use google translate. That list of MP's is about as old as the motobikes u see delivering ice and water bottles.

I've seen it on numerous forums, all cut and paste.

[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc][url]http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Vietnam[/url
Legally you can only ride a bike with engine capacity under 50cc without a lic, Google "Honda Chaly" That is what you can legally ride.

Illegally you can ride whatever you want...providing you have enough Uncle Ho's in your pocket to donate.

.[/QUOTE]


50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
So if I decide to rent anything in Vietnam without a proper Viet license then the best I could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--Sad, so sad.
So what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should I just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.

Shark

I'm tired of reading about motorbikes. Unless there is a girl on the bike.

I was driving on Ng. Chi Thanh in D5 one night this week. Saw a very cute girl on the back of a motorbike. She was smiling at me. Got my attention. Maybe her friend was driving. The MaryAnn to her Ginger. They said hotel, boom boom and i said sure. We were heading to the hotel when the cute girl signals to me with 5 fingers. 500,000. Seemed high to me. So I made a face and signaled back 200,000. And then they disappeared. Surprised me. I thought that they would haggle. Maybe settle for 300,000. I was disappointed. The girl was the hottest I've seen. Oh well.

[quote=sharka]50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
so if i decide to rent anything in vietnam without a proper viet license then the best i could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--sad, so sad.
so what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should i just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.shark[/quote]
i would say that if you rent a mb in the 100cc, 110cc, 125cc range and you ride with traffic at reasonable speeds and don't break any of the technical traffic rules at intersections, one-ways, etc., that in a year of driving every day in the city, you may be randomly stopped by the police on average once every 2.5 years.
jd

[QUOTE=Milkweed]I'm tired of reading about motorbikes. Unless there is a girl on the bike.

I was driving on Ng. Chi Thanh in D5 one night this week. Saw a very cute girl on the back of a motorbike. She was smiling at me. Got my attention. Maybe her friend was driving. The MaryAnn to her Ginger. They said hotel, boom boom and i said sure. We were heading to the hotel when the cute girl signals to me with 5 fingers. 500,000. Seemed high to me. So I made a face and signaled back 200,000. And then they disappeared. Surprised me. I thought that they would haggle. Maybe settle for 300,000. I was disappointed. The girl was the hottest I've seen. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Milkweed, so you've been here for a while and had a few experiences - almost got ripped off by a ladyboy as I recall - and you still think you can get a genuine motorbike girl for 2 or 300,000.

Those asking for 500,000 in that area aren't likely to rip you off, so you pass up having an experience with "the hottest I've seen" for the difference between what she was asking and what you were prepared to pay, ie 200,000. This is her real price, ie the price of the upgrade. I wonder how many people apply these spending principles to their other shopping; eg do I buy a shirt I don't like for $10 less than the one that I really like (best I've seen), do I buy that bruised avocado or banana for 20% less than the tasty looking one, do I use that cheap supermarket deodorant that really stinks because its cheaper - etc

[QUOTE=Sharka]50cc????? that's more like a bicycle attach to a small motor.
So if I decide to rent anything in Vietnam without a proper Viet license then the best I could do is either a plain bicycle or a bike with a little motor.--Sad, so sad.
So what are the chances of avoiding police fines and hassle for renting a motorbike a little bit bigger (say 100cc?) or should I just stick to a lowly 50cc to avoid any problems.

Shark[/QUOTE]

Electric bikes are going to need a bike licence to ride soon, along with helmet.
Get a Wave, dream, jupiter type bike, they are the most popular ie cheap bikes around. Go with the flow and learn to recognise the boys in beige. I've only been pulled over 2 times in 2yrs. first time with the miss's and her sister. 3up on a bike is a nono. 2nd time was by a trainee cop dressed in green. He tried to extort usd$50 out of me, I responded by laughing at him, grabbing his name badge and reading it out loud. He responded by covering up his name badge and waving me on. Since I got my lic the police dont even look at me anymore....

[QUOTE=Macheath]Milkweed, so you've been here for a while and had a few experiences - almost got ripped off by a ladyboy as I recall - and you still think you can get a genuine motorbike girl for 2 or 300,000.
[/QUOTE]


I do think that. I have had them for 2 or 300k. Never paid more than 300k. Other guys on this forum have too. I think it is the going rate. You have a different experience?

I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls.

I think a better analogy would be paying 500,000 for a pair of jeans when if you bothered to haggle you could pay half. The jeans are the same either way.

[QUOTE=Johndao]
To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for. If I could guarantee quality for money in a girl, her looks, shape, attitude, skills, I would not hesitate to pay for it. But often the better they fix themselves up, the more they charge, the less they perform (exceptions of course). I have found NO connection between the amount I pay a girl and how satisfied I am after, none at all. I have known girls who think it is literally a privilege to be in their company and that my cum should magically fly out of my dick merely by being in proximity to them. Give me quality for money, I'll pay. But here it is random, hit or miss with lots more misses than hits.[/QUOTE]


The aspect of this you don't seem to consider, well... first you don't seem to be able to consider that different people have different taste -- it seems like you see it in terms of absolutes, black and white, like you think your opinion is correct and any other view is just flat wrong. It's not that simple. I sometimes like to check out slicker places like Catwalk or 16, even if they are far more expensive. I can afford it. Why not. The advantage those places have is atmosphere and that the girls as a whole look better. I'm not just talking makeup and hair. If you go out and take the 1st 20 girls you find on Ng Chi Thanh or in hot tocs, and then go take the 1st 20 you find at Catwalk, obviously you're going to see a clear difference in looks, not to mention hygeine, quality of dress, etc. I'm sorry but Catwalk wins that one easily. The ones at Catwalk will be taller, slimmer, prettier and have nicer bodies. You probably wouldn't find even one girl from Ng Chi Thanh who looked better than one single girl at Catwalk. You also see a really big step up in atmosphere of the place itself (compare then to a cheap cafe om or hot toc). If I'm in a place that's looks grimy, that does turn me off. Makes me uncomfortable. For people who don't feel that way, or don't care much to go for girls that are especially hot, if you only care about the effort they make (or think "can't see their faces with the lights off anyway") and are also willing to write off the kinds of fiascos you experience fairly often with those cheap types (see Onigaijan post below, or many more like it up here, almost always with the cheapest girls), ok then hot tocs and motorbike girls are fine, and yes a lot cheaper. Myself, I don't want to restrict myself to those places, or as a rule exclude girls who dress well, wear nice makeup, look clean, and maybe, yes, even charge more. In my experience, cheaper does not correlate strongly to better service. The worst ones of all are the ones from the lowest price range (in general, but with exceptions)-- such as the story below. That kind of thing would not happen with a girl from a HBT bar, for example, or from a girl at Catwalk, or other pricey venues. It happens commonly for that type of girl though, the type he went after.

[QUOTE=Johndao]...To use some non-P4P examples, next time you are Parkson have a good look at some of the men's dress shirts they sell with unknown Euro sounding branding. Check out the prices, easy to find some for 1.2m, 1.8m, even 2m and over. Then check out the cotton and look at the stitching, especially around the pockets and sleeve ends. It's just a joke at those prices...[/QUOTE]

I hear you on that one. I hardly shop for dress shirts in VN, preferring to do so in my home country instead. The locally-made shirts are just awful when it comes to the detailing - collars, breast pockets, cuffs. An Phuoc is about the only locally-made label I'd ever buy from but the last time I did it was only because I needed a new one last minute!

[QUOTE=Milkweed]I do think that. I have had them for 2 or 300k. Never paid more than 300k. Other guys on this forum have too. I think it is the going rate. You have a different experience?

I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls.

I think a better analogy would be paying 500,000 for a pair of jeans when if you bothered to haggle you could pay half. The jeans are the same either way.[/QUOTE]

Milkweed, please take a second and try to understand my simple point. The jeans (girls) are not the same. If I understand you correctly you passed up "the hottest I've seen" for the sake of an extra 200k. Now maybe you're exaggerating, but if you've been here a while "the hottest I've seen" is pretty hot.

So you've maybe missed a quality experience to instead have a quantity experience with 2 plainer girls. Plus you've insulted her and she thinks you're a cheapskate.

I also don't share this obsession with service standards. If a girl is undesirable then I'm not going to enjoy being with her no matter how enthusiastic she is. As for the beautiful girls with tickets on themselves who think that we should feel priviliged to be in their company - well maybe I and some others can see their point.

[QUOTE=Wendella]The aspect of this you don't seem to consider, well... first you don't seem to be able to consider that different people have different taste -- it seems like you see it in terms of absolutes, black and white, like you think your opinion is correct and any other view is just flat wrong. It's not that simple. I sometimes like to check out slicker places like Catwalk or 16, even if they are far more expensive. I can afford it. Why not...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Milkweed]...I can go to a hot toc and get a fantastic bj while groping the girl any way I want for a total of 200,000. So I don't want to pay 500k for someone that may or may not give good service. Plus another 50k for the hotel (I wonder if you pay more?). That 550k is almost equal to the cost of 3 hot toc visits. And my experience with the hot toc is that it provides better service than motorbike girls...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johndao]...To Wendella and some others, I guess I should say what I really mean, and that is that like so many things in life, but especially here in HCMC, you don't always get what you pay for...[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:

[i]The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.[/i]

Allow me to demonstrate examples based on my past experience and estimates:

Average income in the US: USD 45,000 / year = USD 3,750 / month
Average ST FS outcall (say 1 hr): USD 250
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250/3750 = 0.067 or 6.7%

Average income in Singapore: SGD 2,500 / month
Average ST in Geylang (non-brothel Thai FL): SGD 50
P4P Index (P4PI) = 50/3000 = 0.02 or 2.0%

Average income in Thailand: THB 12,000 / month
Average ST from a Sukhumvit SW: THB 1000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 1000/12000 = 0.083 or 8.3%

Average income in Indonesia: IDR 1,500,000 / month
Average ST from a Kota Brothel WL: IDR 250,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250000/1500000 = 0.167 or 16.7%

Average income in Vietnam: VND 2,500,000 / month
Average ST with a motobike girl in D5: VND 200,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 200000/2500000 = 0.08 or 8.0%

Surprising, huh? So perhaps we're overpaying in Thailand and Vietnam, but then again with most of us being expatriate foreigners and all... a ST for us is far far less than the 8% of income for the average Thai or average Viet. We don't feel what the above results would lead us to believe... but IMHO interesting to look at it this way nevertheless.

[size=1]Either that, or I'd try my damndest at getting an expatriate package to live in Singapore![/size]

Me and and friend have been to Phnom Pehn a couple times but we have never been to Vietnam before, he is Canadian and I am American.

In December we want to go from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn about 5 days, then fly to HMC, also know as Saigon. He is sometimes picky about not wanting to take a bus though.

All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Any flight recommendations? I can fly from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn for about $80 USD one way. Not much more to fly from Bangkok to HMC.
But Phnom Pehn to HMC is a ridicoulous price. After my trip in Asia I need to take a one way flight to the US. So I was going to fly from HMC to the US because it was cheap.

Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?
I'll ask on the Cambodia forum too.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Gentlemen,

Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:

[i]The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.[/i]
[/QUOTE]

Nice concept and theory but some of your data is wrong. Locals don't pay what you quoted in LOS, Jkt or Vn......if you're going to use local salaries, use what is charged for local ST.

[QUOTE=Gagoo]Me and and friend have been to Phnom Pehn a couple times but we have never been to Vietnam before, he is Canadian and I am American.

In December we want to go from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn about 5 days, then fly to HMC, also know as Saigon. He is sometimes picky about not wanting to take a bus though.

All the flights from Cambodia to Vietnam were expensive, more than $400 USD.
Any flight recommendations? I can fly from Bangkok to Phnom Pehn for about $80 USD one way. Not much more to fly from Bangkok to HMC.
But Phnom Pehn to HMC is a ridicoulous price. After my trip in Asia I need to take a one way flight to the US. So I was going to fly from HMC to the US because it was cheap.

Can you guys give me some travel advice to go from Phnom Pehn to Saigon?
I'll ask on the Cambodia forum too.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
For the price and service, take the bus. There are 5 bus companies in PP that charges $10-15 for a 6hr ride in a decent bus on a decent 1 lane highway. Best to book a bus leaving 8am from PP so your arrival will be about 2pm or so (depending on traffic) in HCMC. and best to book a day ahead so you could pick a seat further up front and away from the rear bathroom.

Some of the bus companies will even pick your asses up from your hotel for free so like I said, can't beat the service. I often use Capitol tours buses and never had a problem with pick up from my hotel for $10 all in. The $15 bus will be newer with DVD movies on board (but often in foreign lang) and snacks served, but even the $10 buses all have bathrooms on board.

BTW: you left out two important cost. If you flew out of PP, there is an additional airport departure tax and you also have to pay taxi from your hotel to the airport. Taking the bus will avoid these two additional cost. And just the cost of the taxi to PP airport will almost get you to HCMC by bus. and saving on the airport departure tax will pay for most of the Vietnam visa cost--IMO

PT

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Nice concept and theory but some of your data is wrong. Locals don't pay what you quoted in LOS, Jkt or Vn......if you're going to use local salaries, use what is charged for local ST.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I doubt for VN the 'local ST' rate is unlikely to be much less. As for LOS and JKT, assuming halving the ST rate for simplicity would put the P4PI at around 4% and 8% respectively. Still surprising, given the results for Singapore.

[QUOTE=Raverboy]Thanks. I doubt for VN the 'local ST' rate is unlikely to be much less. As for LOS and JKT, assuming halving the ST rate for simplicity would put the P4PI at around 4% and 8% respectively. Still surprising, given the results for Singapore.[/QUOTE]


Actually, in Jkt locals can get easily for 30K; not sure about Vn or LOS

Hi,

I will be heading over to the Vietnam in December for one week. I'll be spending my X'mas over there. Right now I've yet to book my hotel.

Any recommendation of GF hotels?

Also is it easy to hook up a girl LT in Vietnam (HCM) where she can accompany me for the whole of my stay over there? Which means she will follow me wherever I go.. sightseeing... etc. and back to hotel for sex.

Where should I head to find a girl right after dumping my luggage at the hotel and then we'll proceed for dinner and countdown X'mas at night together.

Thats all for now!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Ah Hup]Hi,

I will be heading over to the Vietnam in December for one week. I'll be spending my X'mas over there. Right now I've yet to book my hotel.

Any recommendation of GF hotels?

Also is it easy to hook up a girl LT in Vietnam (HCM) where she can accompany me for the whole of my stay over there? Which means she will follow me wherever I go.. sightseeing... etc. and back to hotel for sex.

Where should I head to find a girl right after dumping my luggage at the hotel and then we'll proceed for dinner and countdown X'mas at night together.

Thats all for now!

Thanks![/QUOTE]There is info about GF hotels in the hotel thread - you might have to go back a bit and read carefullyas it is not obvious.

As for immediate pickup I doubt if you will find a regular freebie so fast. I would suggest going to the bars and asking for the newest gals. You are likely to find one that has just started work due to financial pressure and does not really want to be there.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]For the price and service, take the bus. There are 5 bus companies in PP that charges $10-15 for a 6hr ride in a decent bus on a decent 1 lane highway. Best to book a bus leaving 8am from PP so your arrival will be about 2pm or so (depending on traffic) in HCMC. and best to book a day ahead so you could pick a seat further up front and away from the rear bathroom.

Some of the bus companies will even pick your asses up from your hotel for free so like I said, can't beat the service. I often use Capitol tours buses and never had a problem with pick up from my hotel for $10 all in. The $15 bus will be newer with DVD movies on board (but often in foreign lang) and snacks served, but even the $10 buses all have bathrooms on board.

BTW: you left out two important cost. If you flew out of PP, there is an additional airport departure tax and you also have to pay taxi from your hotel to the airport. Taking the bus will avoid these two additional cost. And just the cost of the taxi to PP airport will almost get you to HCMC by bus. and saving on the airport departure tax will pay for most of the Vietnam visa cost--IMO

PT[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info PT. I'm American and my friend Canadian, will a visa obtained in Thailand or Cambodia be good for travel overland?

Seems like there are rip offs and scams going from Thailand to Cambodia, but I didn't read anything about scams on the Vietnam border.